Race front and center

 

In the presidential contest four years ago, race was always an issue -- either explicitly or implicitly -- due to Barack Obama's candidacy.

But four years later, with the Obama-Romney general election now underway, race largely seemed to be relegated to the periphery, at least when it comes to the media's coverage or when compared with 2008.

Until now.

A New York Times report on a conservative Super PAC proposal to link President Obama to Rev. Jeremiah Wright as part of a $10 million advertising campaign has pushed race to the forefront of today's political news -- perhaps more than at any other time of this fledgling general election.

Even the 54-page proposal referred to the possibility that race would become a topic if the ads aired.

The instant response liberal give to any attack is to deem them attack as racist. In the case involving an African American president, even more so.

We have two ways to help mitigate the potential. First, include an extremely literate, conservative African American in our spokesman group... The second way we will lessen their ability to attack from a racist angle is to carefully utilize a series of focus groups. First on the storyboards, then on a rough cut of the final film, making fine-tuning adjustments in wording and visuals to increase the impact, while lessening any elements that could reasonably be deemed "racist."

The conservative billionaire who received the proposal, Joe Ricketts, today rejected it after the New York Times story appeared.

In recent days. race also has resurfaced in more subtle ways. A few days ago, Congressman Mike Coffman (R-CO) recently questioned whether Obama was born in the United States, and he stated definitively that Obama is "not an American" in his heart. So-called "birther" questions about Obama's citizenship, his supporters have argued, have had a racial subtext.

"I don't know whether Barack Obama was born in the United States or not. I don't know. But I do know this: That in his heart, he's not an American. He's just not an American." His audience applauded after those remarks.

According to NBC's Frank Thorp, Coffman today apologized. "I misspoke and I apologize. I have confidence in President Obama's citizenship and legitimacy as President of the United States. However, I don't believe the President shares my belief in American Exceptionalism."

And yesterday, the American Prospect reported on this movie trailer based on the controversial book by Dinesh D'Souza, "The Roots of Obama's Rage," which concluded that the best way to understand Obama was through his Kenyan father.

As the Prospect's Paul Waldman writes of the trailer:

The images go by pretty fast, but my favorite is the black family playing Monopoly, who suddenly jump up from their chairs and start swinging at each other (it comes at the one-minute mark). Who are they supposed to be? The Obamas? Some of Obama's co-conspirators? People sent into a frenzy by his socialist policies?

Race, of course, has always been an issue in American politics, as well as this country's history. Yet these recent events and stories -- especially today's New York Times article -- are reminders that it's not always on the periphery in this presidential contest.

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Did Willard actually take a whole 3 questions from reporters a couple of minutes ago?

One of which he couldn't answer? lmao!!!

Man... that was painful to watch!

At least we know, the birthers have never really gone away, only lurking in the shadows ready to rear their ugly heads when the time was right!

  • 21 votes
#1 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

And, the Romney campaign making this about race is a surprise? To who? Romney will sink to the lowest levels he has to - it's all he has. He has no plans; no programs; no intelligence; no integrity; no morals; nothing. He is a lowlife and his campaign will be in the gutter with him.

Obama/Biden 2012

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#1.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

The instant response liberal give to any attack is to deem them attack as racist. In the case involving an African American president, even more so.

We have two ways to help mitigate the potential. First, include an extremely literate, conservative African American in our spokesman group... The second way we will lessen their ability to attack from a racist angle is to carefully utilize a series of focus groups. First on the storyboards, then on a rough cut of the final film, making fine-tuning adjustments in wording and visuals to increase the impact, while lessening any elements that could reasonably be deemed "racist."

(emphasis added)

Include a literate, conservative African American ... not because he is literate and conservative, but solely because he is African American.

This is solid evidence for those on the right who scoff at the idea that they are being carefully manipulated.

By tomorrow, the talking point will be how the Democrats created the race war. Wait for it.

  • 19 votes
#1.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

By tomorrow, the talking point will be how the Democrats created the race war

My dear friend, you are being far to kind!

I'm betting they'll be on it within an hour! ;o)

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#1.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

You're probably right, Feisty. In fact, I saw the glimmerings on an earlier thread, ironically, from someone who likes to tell those of us on the left that we don't think for ourselves.

  • 17 votes
#1.4 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

ironically, from someone who likes to tell those of us on the left that we don't think for ourselves

Let me guess - the insomniac from Detroit? lol

They are so pissy today, they even collapsed my most excellent tribute to the Queen of Disco, the late Donna Summer...

That should tell us something! ;o)

  • 18 votes
#1.5 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

In fact, I saw the glimmerings on an earlier thread,

BTW - I am going to yield the floor to you on this, so far you have done a magnificent job of mopping them with it!

  • 14 votes
#1.6 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:31 PM EDT

No, it could have been WCA, but it wasn't.

They all pretty much work from the same playbook, don't they?

At least, that's what they like to say about us.

Where have they all gone this afternoon, anyway? Cowards.

And thank you for the kind words, but mostly I just come in to mop up what's left after you're finished with them.

  • 12 votes
#1.7 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:39 PM EDT

Isn't it funny how, by repudiating using that kind of campaign, and bringing it to the attention of the media, that they actually backhandedly get to put that issue front and center in the media, even tho they say they aren't...funny how that works.........

  • 16 votes
#1.8 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

Did Willard actually take a whole 3 questions from reporters a couple of minutes ago?

One of which he couldn't answer? lmao!!!

Man... that was painful to watch!

Hi Feisty,

That was painful to watch. Also, Martin Bashir just brought up the fact that we have known for a long time that Willard want do an interview with anyone other than Fox. And in those Fox friendly interviews they go bad.

  • 11 votes
#1.9 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:48 PM EDT

B. Honest --

Exactly. And don't think they didn't consider that.

As I have been saying, tomorrow, they will be blaming it all on the Democrats.

  • 12 votes
#1.10 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:49 PM EDT

And thank you for the kind words, but mostly I just come in to mop up what's left after you're finished with them.

No WAAAAY Anna Molly!

I'm just a little firecracker compared to your bonfire! ;o)

*waves to B.Honest*

Good to see you old friend!

Job - I'm listening to Martin right now - he is eviscerating this @!$%# representing the Koch Brothers!

Positively DELICIOUS!

  • 13 votes
#1.11 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:51 PM EDT

You're a peach, Feisty. It's always a pleasure flying with you. Gotta run. See you later.

  • 11 votes
#1.12 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:56 PM EDT

President Obama has discussed his race once, during his last election campaign. President Kennedy discussed his religion, Catholicism, once, during his election campaign.

I remember adults talking about how they didn't want the pope to be running our country. People were very open about their bigotry. Now, republicans don't speak so openly in public, anyway.

Despite these facts, republicans will say the president played the race card when they are the ones constantly using their race card when discussing the president's citizenship, his birth, his education, his father who he barely knew, and even his wife.

Republicans denied the war on women even though they continue to fight that war every day with their legislation, and they deny their racism in public, but discuss the issues above as a very poor, transparent and thinly veiled attempt to deny their own racism.

I am still waiting for republicans to be honest just once, and acknowledge the racism and hatred they use to stir the pot and enrage their base. They never will. It's easier to say you are pro-gun or pro-life in public than to say you are a bigot.

  • 13 votes
#1.13 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:56 PM EDT

Feisty, you have to realize that birthers are Gods gift to the rest of us. What other group of people can you shamelessly mock and make fun of for their delusional stupidity?

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#1.14 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:04 PM EDT

Feisty, you have to realize that birthers are Gods gift to the rest of us.

Al,

You're right -

These dolts are like an STD - the gift that keeps on giving...

  • 12 votes
#1.15 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:06 PM EDT

Romney avoiding the press (Palin's advise to all) is mind-bending. If nothing else, it shows once again his cowardice, and I find it odd that the militant rightwing would stand for such wussyness.

But the "strategery" of always having an enemy of some kind to fear-monger against is an old and very reliable tactic. Dictators love it! This is why there is a never ending sting of nontroversies on FOX Noise/Hate Radio, such as Bill Ayers, Fast and Furious Operation Wide Receiver, Solyndra, etc. The most recent being Frank Vandersloot, claiming for the third time to be an innocent bystander (when in fact he is an officer for a Romney Super PAC) who will sue anyone at the drop of a hat for supposed damage to his reputation and company, who then concludes his interview by advertising the website where folks can make donations to Romney's campaign. The rightwingers who believe professional wrestling is real also believed that pitiful pre-planned "leading the witness" segment by Bill O'Really.

The enemy fear-mongering is only one of many in the Gingrich/Rove/Luntz Handbook for Arseholes along with conspiracy theory, bigotry, and of course Wisconsin's Scott Walker's "divide and conquer" and then Politics of Projection in which you claim the president/Dems are the ones who are divisive. Truly the worst bunch of douchebags I've seen in my lifetime--possibly in our history.

  • 10 votes
#1.16 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:34 PM EDT
    #1.17 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

    Where have they all gone this afternoon, anyway?

    Some of us have jobs and don't sit by the computer to wait for the next pat on the back from misguided minions.

    • 1 vote
    #1.18 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

    So, Obama's camp's actually proactively campaigning in devisiveness and character assassisation, but, liberal media, keen in on one, just one, not-even-approved proposal to one conservative super-PAC out there, and use that to paint the not-even-associated, repudiating, conservative presidential candidate's campaign as the one bringing race to the fore. -Makes perfect sense!

    THAT's objective!

    ..As objective as blaming Bush for Solyndra, when Solyndra was JUST a proposal NOT approved under the Bush administration. (But Obama and liberals at least gave us all a good laugh trying to pass the buck on that. -Pathetic) -Rubbish.

    YES! It was, again, liberals who have resorted to devisiveness. The liberal NY Times brought this to the fore and the liberal media are running with it as yet ANOTHER devisive WEDGE issue- their bread and butter.

    Even IF the independent, free-to-do-what-it-wants, super-PAC chose to thoroughly inform America of Obama's close, 20plus year relationship with his racist, America-hating, Afro-centric reverend and his subsequent throwing him under the bus for political expediency, would it be a LIE?? What? Liberals want to censure the truth from exposure??

    Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

    • 2 votes
    #1.19 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:48 PM EDT

    Include a literate, conservative African American ... not because he is literate and conservative, but solely because he is African American.

    So tell me would the Democratic party have been so excited in 2008 if Barack Obama had been white? Would they have rallied behind a freshman senator over a full-term senator and wife of an ex-President.

    Would we have had such wonderful quotes from Biden and Reid about looking clean as a dream and non-threatening accents?

    I just see a big old double standard.

    • 1 vote
    #1.20 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

    The posts above prove my point.

    The enemy fear-mongering is only one of many in the Gingrich/Rove/Luntz Handbook for Arseholes along with conspiracy theory, bigotry, and of course Wisconsin's Scott Walker's "divide and conquer" and then Politics of Projection in which they claim the president/Dems are the ones who are divisive.

    Thank you rightwingers, and thanks for playin'.

    • 8 votes
    #1.21 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

    Why would he say born in Kenya. Must have been a type-o.

    Oh, sure. After crafting a perfect conspiracy and maintaining it for 30 years, the President of the Harvard Law Review just slips and casually blows the whole thing away.

    I'm not buying. Even Breitbart didn't buy it. These guys are just muckrakers.

    Alan, NJ --

    I just see a big old double standard.

    Of course, you do. That's all those blinders you're wearing let you see.

    • 5 votes
    #1.22 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:50 PM EDT

    Feisty - Speaking of Donna Summer...She has a house on the beach a little South of me next door to a friend of mine. I have seen her walking on the beach. My friend said that he saw her a few weeks ago and she did not look well but was friendly, as usual. I am probably dating myself, but I liked her music. Disco was a strange but fun time - not the best time for hair and fashion.

    • 2 votes
    #1.23 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:11 PM EDT

    Disco was a strange but fun time - not the best time for hair and fashion.

    I've got to disagree - who didn't love them some shoulder pads? ;o)

    Disco became vogue right in my prime!

    First Whitney and now the Queen of Disco?

    I have many fond memories of tearing up the dance floor to "Bad Girls"

    *toot toot* *beep beep*

    Godspeed to you Donna & thanks for all the good times!

    • 4 votes
    #1.24 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:15 PM EDT

    Feisty - I have board straight hair and I had a tight perm during the disco days. One of my favorite movies was "Saturday Night Fever". I can remember practicing the steps to the line dance in my carport with my best friend. Donna had a beautiful house down here on the beach with a view of the Gulf of Mexico and the bay. She Worked Hard for the Money

    • 3 votes
    #1.25 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:26 PM EDT

    I have board straight hair

    Kim,

    I would KILL for board straight hair - thank goodness for the invention of the CHI flat iron! ;o)

    • 2 votes
    #1.26 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:37 PM EDT

    I'm starting to notice how when they can't find nothing else to talk about concerning Obama, they come back to the same subjects that have been debunked, considered a non factor or just flat out lies. There is still one thing I would love to know and Feisty I'm sure you've seen it, Why is Romney refusing to answer any questions? I just have one question for Romney: Are you going to continue to use talking points as your election pitch or offer up some serious alternatives to get the economy moving faster. I know the best way, have the "do nothing" Congress put aside partisan bickering and approve something with substance. What I will say is if Romney wants to be his "own" man instead of the establishment's man, stand up and say that Race should not be an issue and should not be part of the equation. Yes he did "mention" it but I promise you he will "pivot" when the time comes simply because it IS the establishment's boy.

    • 2 votes
    #1.27 - Fri May 18, 2012 2:43 AM EDT

    Hey everyone, did you hear, Barack Hussein Obama's father was BLACK, and from Kenya, A...N...D was a muslim ?

    I guess President Obama won't be taking a teaching position at Liberty University in 2017, after he leaves the Whitehouse.

    • 1 vote
    #1.28 - Fri May 18, 2012 10:26 AM EDT

    Watch the debates, common sense. Obama will maintain his cool and give substantive, common sense answers while Romney, who only pays attention to fox will be left a sputtering, angry mess trying to fight him off with lies, distortions. and fox talking points.

    • 1 vote
    #1.29 - Fri May 18, 2012 2:36 PM EDT
    Reply

    Wait a minute- are you really trying to tell us that there are people who are only now discovering that Obama's father was African? Or that Wright's incendiary statements would be somehow more acceptable if he were not African American?

    Get real- the distraction du jour will no more get voters up in high dudgeon than Obama's personal feelings about marriage equality cause disaffected voters to flock to him.

    In other words- its the economy- first, middle, last.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

    "In other words- its the economy- first, middle, last. "

    That's funny.....anyone reading your posts for the last three weeks would have sworn it was all about "Obama's a dog-eating homophobe"......

    • 12 votes
    #3.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:41 PM EDT
    Reply

    If Obama gets re-elected you will see many more people renounce their citizenship. Not because they hate America but it makes business sense to take your money to countries that will treat you in a fair manner tax wise. We are already seeing a massive increase in people renouncing their citizenship and taking those investments out of this country. The same thing happens with our businesses. It's shame Obama can't see this because of his blind hatred for successful business owners. VOTE FOR CHANGE IN 2012!

    • 7 votes
    #4 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

    UAW,

    " We are already seeing a massive increase in people renouncing their citizenship and taking those investments out of this country. "

    What number makes it massive? Could you give the source of your statement or at least names of the people you know who have renounced their citizenship? What country did they chose to become a citizen .

    I personally know only one family who moved to New Zealand and they are engineers and who did not want to raise their children in the US.

    • 5 votes
    #4.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:45 PM EDT

    If Obama gets re-elected you will see many more people renounce their citizenship. Not because they hate America but it makes business sense to take your money to countries that will treat you in a fair manner tax wise.

    ...and will the country they go to treat them as fairly from a legal and civil rights perspective?

    We are already seeing a massive increase in people renouncing their citizenship and taking those investments out of this country.

    As evidenced by...?

    • 7 votes
    #4.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:45 PM EDT

    " We are already seeing a massive increase in people renouncing their citizenship and taking those investments out of this country. "

    Sure they are.

    • 7 votes
    #4.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

    I think Bachmann renounce her citizenship.......oh Swiss Sorry wishes before fact. My bad.

    • 7 votes
    #4.4 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:53 PM EDT

    The UPI reported it.

    WASHINGTON, May 14 (UPI) -- A growing number of U.S. citizens living abroad are renouncing their U.S. citizenship to avoid a crackdown on foreign bank accounts, analysts say.

    The Internal Revenue Service has ramped up efforts in the last three years to prosecute U.S. citizens who dodge taxes by hiding money in foreign bank accounts. As a result, 1,780 U.S. citizens renounced their citizenship last year to avoid disclosing information to the IRS. In 2010, 1,485 people renounced, up from 731 in 2009.

    The Miami Herald reported the number of renunciations began to grow in 2009 after the Swiss banking giant UBS AG agreed to provide the United States with the names of thousands of U.S. clients with secret bank accounts.

    Prior to the crackdown, 200 to 400 U.S. citizens renounced their citizenship every year.

    Read more: #ixzz1v9tLGyMs

    • 4 votes
    #4.5 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:54 PM EDT

    UAW: "If Obama gets re-elected you will see many more people renounce their citizenship"

    Seriously??? In my lifetime, there have been a few presidents I didn't especially like. I personally thought (and will always think) that George W. Bush was the worst president in American history. I literally cringed when I watched him represent us when meeting with other world leaders. I was literally sick at my stomach the night I watched the first bombs drop on Iraq. He did not represent one single thing that I believed in.

    Well, except for one thing - he was the President of the United States of America. And like the song says:

    With hand upon heart I thank the Lord For this my native land,
    For all I love is here within her gates.
    My souldis rooted deeply in the soil on which I stand,
    For these are mine own United States.

    This is my country! Land of my choice!
    This is my country! Hear my proud voice!
    I pledge thee my allegiance, America, the bold,
    For this is my country! To have and to hold.

    Anyone who would renounce their citizenship in this great country because of ANY man or woman who is its president does not deserve the blessings of living here in the first place. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    • 8 votes
    #4.6 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:56 PM EDT

    The Internal Revenue Service has ramped up efforts in the last three years to prosecute U.S. citizens who dodge taxes by hiding money in foreign bank accounts. As a result, 1,780 U.S. citizens renounced their citizenship last year to avoid disclosing information to the IRS.

    Oh, well, that makes sense.

    No, you're right, we should leave those people be and let them continue to stash money in foreign accounts to dodge taxes.

    • 5 votes
    #4.7 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

    UAW -

    Citizens that are already living abroad, and it has to do with back taxes, not who is president. You really should read the article you are posting.

    • 7 votes
    #4.8 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:04 PM EDT

    Sorry, UAW - my post above was in response to your original post, which appeared to be a typical dig at President Obama. I had no idea that you were actually applauding criminals attempting to avoid prosecution for tax evasion.

    And I'm glad you think that it just "makes business sense to take your money to countries that will treat you in a fair manner tax wise".

    Your love of country - and theirs - is just truly inspirational.

    • 8 votes
    #4.9 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:08 PM EDT

    Jo Anne, I think it's Obama's tax policies and anti business rhetoric that has been driving most of these people over seas since 2009. I understand Obama's appeal to liberals. It's a popular idea to just "Tax The Other Guy More". But is this really the best policy for our country? The rich already pay 90% of this countries taxes. How are we going to afford Obama's liberal policies when these former tax payers are living in other countries? Let's vote for a better leader in 2012!

    • 4 votes
    #4.10 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:08 PM EDT

    UAW can you guys ever get the numbers straight, just today I have seen the rich paying anywhere from 65% to now 90% of taxes in this country, do you just make these up as you go. If all the rich are worried about is how much taxes they have to pay vs being an American then I say GO and the sooner the better.

    • 5 votes
    #4.11 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:13 PM EDT

    Sure guys vilify me for pointing out the obvious. If you raise taxes people will go else where. That is human nature. The reason taxes on "Investment" income were lower than earned income was to spur more investment. Get it? M-O-R-E I-N-V-E-S-T-M-E-N-T. Means M-O-R-E J-O-B-S

    Obama's plan is to stop that investment, we can't all be Union government workers. The majority of us depend on that investment in the private sector. Remember 90% of us are still working and probably always would because of Private investment....

    • 4 votes
    #4.12 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

    Jo Anne, I think it's Obama's tax policies and anti business rhetoric that has been driving most of these people over seas since 2009.

    Oh, okay...I see...this is because you THINK that people have been leaving this company in droves because of the President's policies.

    You're right, "UAW", this is a serious issue...

    ...as in, seriously, if you're patriotism and pride in this country is so fragile that you will let your opinions of one person bring you to the decision to leave and renounce your citizenship then, seriously, I will help you pack.

    • 5 votes
    #4.13 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

    UAW its been here for over 8 years where are those jobs how come unemployment is so high, we have given them the tax breaks but they have not given us the jobs. Wonder were the money went? Pocket Pocket were is my pocket. Wow now 90% of us are working there is that magic number again. I thought unemployment was really around 15 to 25% depending on the republican speaking at the time. So we do not have poor in this country not working (90%) but yet we have so many of food stamps. (90%) but we have so many free hand outs for the lazy. Come on UAW whats up your off your game today.

    • 2 votes
    #4.14 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

    "UAW" seems to forget that the goal of business is to make money and not create jobs.

    • 3 votes
    #4.15 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:23 PM EDT

    Tis, Unemployment isnt so high. Remember 90% of us are working because of that private "Investment". If you double the tax rate on that income what do you think will happen?? Your not an idiot stop pretending like you don't know what will happen. Like I said we can't all be Union government workers. Private investment in private sector jobs is why America is doing so much better than those more socialist European countries and why our unemployment rate is lower....

    • 3 votes
    #4.16 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:28 PM EDT

    More investment used to mean more jobs, but not anymore. That is a quaint idea, but the reality is far different. Due to the ability to move money quickly and various shelters and tax havens offshore, it is better for companies to sit on their money. Currently, U.S. business are sitting on trillions of dollars in liquid assets. Why not dump it into the economy? It is not in their best interest. If they hold out long enough, they can get a tax amnesty, return the funds to America by buying back their own stock. Price goes up, company looks good, the CEO's make a profit. They haven't bought any new equipment, haven't hired new workers, or produced more goods. The CEO's walk away with a golden parachute, but the workers are forced to take cuts because the sales numbers are slipping.

    UAW, once upon a time you may have been right, but that was probably before 1982. It is not the world we live in anymore. If you want to call a class of citizens "job-creators" the first thing they need to start doing is creating jobs. Real ones, with real benefits and real wages.

    Henry Ford, who was as pro-capitalist and anti-communist as they come, was asked why he offered double the pay of his competitors. His reply "I want to make sure they can afford to buy what they make". This was the birth of the middle class.

    • 5 votes
    #4.17 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

    UAW -

    "The number of U.S. millionaires increased by 600,000 in 2010, according to a report by Spectrem
    Group. About 8.4 million American households had assets of $1 million or more, not including their primary residences, a gain of 8 percent, according to Chicago-based Spectrem."

    http://www.chron.com/business/article/Number-of-millionaires-in-the-U-S-increases-1682802.php

    So out of 8.4 million millionaires in this country, you want to point to 1485 of them going to the extreme length of renouncing their citizenship in order to dodge taxes as some kind of referendum on President Obama's tax policies?

    So when are the other 8,398,515 planning to leave?

    • 5 votes
    #4.18 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

    Well I suppose we should cut him a break once in a while after all its hard to keep all the lies straight in your mind. Fact Fiction Fact Fiction they blend together so easily.

    • 6 votes
    #4.19 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

    Taxes create jobs. Is that the plan now?

    • 2 votes
    #4.20 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

    Taxes themselves don't create jobs, but governments projects can. Do you think the Eisenhower Highway Bill was worthwhile? What about the Hoover Dam? Useful things can be done with tax money and people employed at the same time. And remember, those government employees that everyone seems to want to get rid of are mainly middle-class people that pay their taxes.

    • 4 votes
    #4.21 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

    Did I hear you right UAW the president has now reduced unemployment and we are doing better than Europe due to his policies. And "If you double the tax rate on that income" when was this stated and by who. I understand all Obama wants to do is let the bush tax cuts expire. and move some base tax rates up a few percent points, nothing close to double. Where did this number come from. UAW you have me at a loss with your statements they are so counter to everything I have been reading today from the right. Don't get me wrong I like hearing we are doing so much better. Now to your point of what will happen to those private investments. My thought is they will continue, why because the more people working the more they purchase, the more they purchase the more that has to be produced, you know as well as I do that the economy is a circle and as long as it remains connected it remains a circle. Also it is my opinion that if we make a small sacrifice now on increased taxes along with spending cuts we can start paying down the debt. Not overnight but start moving it down. I do not think the price is to high for that.

    • 4 votes
    #4.22 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

    Tis, The current long term capital gain tax rate is 15%. Obama is calling for a minimum tax rate of 30% on millionaires. 15% Plus 15% = 30%. That is double.... No you didnt hear me right on Obama. Many businesses and individuals have held back some of their cash until they are sure Obama and his tax policies won't be enacted. The economy picked up alot of steam after the Republicans came back in the House in 2010. Let's hope they gain the presidency in 2012 and you will see unemployment drop further....

    • 2 votes
    #4.23 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

    UAW when someones entire income is from capital gains or investments why should it be taxed at a lower rate than a normal income for that bracket. Its not double taxation, its money made beyond the investment (profit, income). Its called a tax loophole for the higher income bracket. How is that fair when I get taxed on all my income, oh right I should just take advantage of that loophole right. What about those that can not use it. They don't make that kind of money. Sorry I did not hear you correctly but I suspect that a lot of money is being held back not because of Obama policy but Stock Market fears about Greece, Spain and the rest of Europe. As for the republicans in 2010 now you sound like Mitt taking credit for GM it was all his idea. You on the right really do live in an alternate reality.

    • 2 votes
    #4.24 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

    Tis, I'll explain it again. LOWER TAXES ON INVESTMENT INCOME WILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MAKE MORE INVESTMENTS... More private investment means more private sector jobs.

    Mitt's plan was to restructure the car companies in a controlled bankruptcy and rid them of those ridiculous and unsustainable union benefits. The difference is Obama took the company through bankruptcy to shake down the original bond holders then gave their equity to the UAW. It will only be a matter of time before the car companies are bankrupt again....

    • 3 votes
    #4.25 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

    UAW, and I disagree with your hypothesis, We have been trying trickle down economics for over 20 years now which is what you are pressing here. All it has produced is those receiving the benefit keeping more of the money. How do you explain the income divide growing at the rate is has. The more they make is not reinvested even though we have the lowest tax rates in recent history. We have a stock market that has gone over 13,000 since obama took office and still no investments in jobs 8.1% unemployment. But income has continued to grow for the wealthy and we have according to the right high unemployment. I agree by the way it is too high. But we also have an inbalance with income. Worker pay stagnant while CEO climbing at over 250% during the same time. Also the investments being made are not creating jobs they are just making more money, go back to the stock market which is investing. It has gone from 6,000 to 13,000 and we still do not have jobs but boy have they made money. So when do we see the jobs from investment, 16,000 , 20000 in the stock market, when income seperation is 1000% between worker and management. You show me the facts to support your theory, show me the jobs from investment with the current low tax rate.

    • 4 votes
    #4.26 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

    UAW those people living overseas are getting the jobs Romney outsourced. While the people he fired are living here with our 44 million dollar bailout of their pension.

    • 2 votes
    #4.27 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

    UAW,

    So your "massive" exodus is really about 1400 people who live overseas and wanted to avoid taxes so they renounced their citizenship!!!!

    they must be the beginnning of "any locale that I cannot pay taxes" will be just fine. You article did not say which country granted them citizenship? Lets see what country in the whole world does not have taxes on income or investments?

    I can only think of two: Somalia or Suadi Arabia...or...

    God Bless you UAW you are really are hilarious....

    • 2 votes
    #4.28 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:19 PM EDT

    burned out star less than 1400 was massive when it came to your methhead ows protesters. I forgot MSNBC is the moonbat hangout where liberals can flip/flop and tell lies and are brought to live when you get collapsed by the community right fisty grease head.

      #4.29 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:48 PM EDT
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      This is how SuperPac money is being used each and everyday.

      Manipulation brought to you by the wizard markeing guys. Run it through focus groups so every image, word are well crafted to elicit their overriding negative theme.

      Then the ad comes out, the pundits talking points and spokespersons.

      We are all being gamed in the name of freedom of speech. Because it really is not about critical thinking, speaking from the heart about a vison for America .

      The billionaires that fund these PAC are the real power brokers, elections have indeed become a big business of slime.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#5 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

      "The instant response liberals give to any attack is to deem the attack as racist"

      Hence the First Read headline "Race Front and Center"

      The NY Times article was just what the liberals needed, an excuse to pull out the race card.

      "... it's not always on the periphery in this presidential contest." Not if David Axelrod and his minions at the NY Times and MSNBC can help it, right?

      • 6 votes
      Reply#6 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

      A few weeks ago it was about Romney's dog from 40 years ago. Last week it was about Romney in High School 50 years ago. This week it is about an ad that wasn't even made. Anything to distract from the economy and unsustainable debt. The only constant is Feisty posting something when a new thread is up. If Feisty lived when Pavlov did, no one would have ever heard about his dog.

      • 5 votes
      #6.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

      "The instant response liberals give to any attack is to deem the attack as racist" I wonder why this happens so often, could it be the writing, words chosen, actions no not possible is it. Its just a knee jerk reaction to the right. Never hear the right use the word "Monkey" to describe anyone thats not it. Could it be voter ID targeted towards minorities, no thats not it. Defunding planned parenthood, nope not that either. Well BIV guess your wright we have no reason to think anything the right does has to do with race.

      • 2 votes
      #6.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

      Rocco, last week it was about Obama and dogs, grades, birth certificate, transcripts, his past connections to terriorist, or his being a black from Africa not american enough. Really you want to throw stones, I have a big pile right here. I am glad about one thing though keep attacking Feisty because you forget to close the door behind you when you do.

      • 2 votes
      #6.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

      Tis, You think pointing out that Feisty has a conditioned response to put up a post whenever a new thread comes up is an attack? Listen Hon, if I was going to attack her you'd know it. But since you seem so protective of Feisty, how about this. If Obama lived when Pavlov did, no one would have ever heard about his dog. Ya feel better now?

        #6.4 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

        Did you enjoy Confederate History Month last month, Bob? Flying your confederate battle flag proudly in Virginia, thanks to Governor Mickey D's?

        • 3 votes
        #6.5 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

        Rocco, No I think you are petty and jealous that she does. And sweety your bite is a grain of sand in a sand storm. I would watch your back door though Feisty is coming.

        • 2 votes
        #6.6 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:58 PM EDT
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        Rocco and Virginia Bob this isn't something as Democrat that worries me about Mr. ROmney gentlemen of the right!!!! My concern about Mr. Romney is his willingness to sell out the American citizen!!! My perfect example is the quote of him saying "there are 1.25 million engineering jobs aviilable right now in America" "I want to bring citizens of India and Israel over on Visa's to get these jobs" to me that sounds like a man whose willing to spend money for cheap labor instead of paying the American citizen that you can re-train with this money and pay him a decent wage to boost are economy. In other words a true SELL OUT!!!!!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#7 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

        In the last presidential election, Obama and the Democrats were continuously banging on the drum of race. (“I don't look like those other presidents on the dollar bill” - BHO) The Republicans never said a word about it. In this election, it appears Democrats are starting to bang that drum again.

        In case you hadn't noticed, the accusations in this article are about Romney repudiating mention of Jeremiah Wright and Ricketts saying he won't use Jeremiah Wright as an attack against President Obama.

        Obama supporters, naturally, pretend exactly the opposite, in order to inject race into the election again.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#8 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

        Romney won't openly do it but the super pacs will, they have no choice but an all out attack, and Romney can not control them or would be in violation of election laws right. Well lets see what happens in 30 days on how long this will last. Oh you might want to check out the post on this sight not everyone on the right is on the same page as you.

        • 1 vote
        #8.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 4:48 PM EDT

        not everyone on the right is on the same page as you.

        That is often the case ...

        the super pacs will

        Ricketts represents the super pac and says he won't use Jeremiah Wright as an attack against President Obama.

        • 1 vote
        #8.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

        I hope you are correct but Romney went pretty deep with attack ads in the Primary when he felt threatened

        • 2 votes
        #8.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

        that's right, Kannin -

        These folks in the below linked photo must be, what, Independents?

        http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-anti-obama-signs.htm?PS=663%3A34

        PUHHHHHHHHHHLEEEEEEEEEEAaaaaaaaaaaase, spare me your outrage while decrying the flagrant RACISM and BIGOTRY that has been delivered ala MANY in your Narrow Minded Party,...

        we simply aren't buying the BS you are selling.

        • 5 votes
        #8.4 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

        *waves to Clara*

        Good to see ya GF! ☺

        • 3 votes
        #8.5 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:57 PM EDT

        All those Koch suckers are doing is trying to sell thier lying _ssed books.

          #8.6 - Sat May 19, 2012 4:44 AM EDT
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          LMAO to infinity!! God Bless America where your sorry a** opinion is defended even by those you hate.

          ****Periphery really they can't do their jobs, think, sleep or eat (or remember they are human beings) without this being an issue - your periphery apparently like race (the lack of an issue) in America is obviously ROSE COLORED!

            Reply#9 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

            Regarding the THE VETTING - EXCLUSIVE from Breitbart - OBAMA'S LITERARY AGENT IN 1991 BOOKLET: 'BORN IN KENYA AND RAISED IN INDONESIA AND HAWAII' Don't expect too much Congressional activity regarding this report. If it is factual and Obama is not eligible to be president, it would be better to deal with the Constitutional crisis this scenario creates if he were out of office.

            • Wake Up america
            • VOTE CONSERVATIVE 2012
            • 1 vote
            Reply#10 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

            The Birthers are back oh what a suprise. Sorry about Breitbart is such a loss.

            • 5 votes
            #10.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

            WTH? Another crazy birther.

            • 4 votes
            #10.2 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:11 PM EDT

            Stalin, you're dead from the neck up...

            • 1 vote
            #10.3 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:49 PM EDT
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            Cain, Ham, and the whole negro race have been cursed with a black skin, the mark of Cain, so they can be identified as a caste apart, a people with whom the other descendants of Adam should not intermarry." From Bruce R. McConkie's book "Mormon Doctrine", 1958 edition, pages 107-108. Well at least Romney's Church is free of hatred.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#11 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

            @dal, and this is straight from God right? How many of you are on board with this ?

              #11.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:56 PM EDT
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              1830 Book of Mormon says that the people who God blesses shall not pass away "save they shall be a white and a delightsome people" (2 Nephi 30:6). Hard to critic a Christian leader on race with that doctrine.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#12 - Thu May 17, 2012 6:22 PM EDT

              Dal said:1830 Book of Mormon says that the people who God blesses shall not pass away "save they shall be a white and a delightsome people" (2 Nephi 30:6). Hard to critique a Christian leader on race with that doctrine.

              Sounds like total bull$hit... anyone disagree?

              • 1 vote
              #12.1 - Thu May 17, 2012 7:55 PM EDT
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              attacking his father the mud is getting deep Hey here is a thought Issues How about it you republican father attacker what about the issues can you make a clear factual debate on the republican forerunner Mit Romney's issues No I don't think so for one it would take words with more than three syllable's but the hardest part would be the putting the words together to make an idea or a thought, complexity oops sorry to many ... Thank goodness your speaking for him Although he was good at his university Ha Ha ha I was surprised it was a internet university I multimillionaire on the Internet university instead of one with I don't know walls maybe HA HA HA Ha HA was the flag cardboard

                Reply#13 - Fri May 18, 2012 6:06 AM EDT

                The Republican Con-man from Colorado claimed he "misspoke". Typical republican tactic after they deliberately say or do something nasty. Retreat and apologise the next day. Never mind, the damage is done, you've lobbed the stink-bomb, now you can't remove the smell. Smart idea.

                Would Obama's heritage be an issue if his father had been a student from Austria or Hungary who met this white American girl from Kansas? Nobody would have questioned his Americanism. One needs to question the motive and intelligence of people that keep using this argument.

                  Reply#14 - Fri May 18, 2012 10:18 AM EDT

                  If you think Obama`s birth certificate (which is public record) is false, take it up with the state of Hawaii, don`t just harp about it. Obama`s father was killed in a wreck when Obama was maybe three years old. Obama wouldn`t even remember much about his father from that age. Get over yourselves, Obama is a legitimate, constitutional president. 68 million Americans said so. No other president ever got that many votes.

                    Reply#15 - Fri May 18, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

                    Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention above: when people invest their money outside of America, it doesn`t create jobs IN America. During the Great Depression, there were more than 20 million people destitute. FDR knew what had happened or was happening elsewhere in the world. He meant to prevent it here no matter whose political feelings it rubbed wrong. If that was dictatorship, at least he did it right. My dad hated FDR, but the fact remains that my dad was out of work from 1931 to 1933. He would have been out of work longer wxcept for the New Deal.

                      Reply#16 - Fri May 18, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

                      Politics trumps racism. Replace Biden with Hillary as VP on the ballot. The Clintons will "forget" that Obama plays the race card at every opportunity, and Obama will not mention that the Clintons accuse him of being a racist. Of course the voters have already forgotten both incidents.

                        Reply#17 - Fri May 18, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

                        Come on, fellow Democrats! Lets grab that money.

                        FACEBOOK IPO stock opened at $30/share today, closed at a fraction of a cent more.

                        This created thousands of new millionaires and even a couple of billionaires.

                        LETS GRAB IT NOW before they hide it from us.

                        Start with Mr. Zuckerberg at the top of the FACEBOOK dung pile, $billions.

                        There is no excuse for letting those greedy new rich people keep what should be taken and redistributed to us.

                        Don't let this pot of gold get away. Act now!

                          Reply#18 - Fri May 18, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

                          Zuckerberg is a Democrat; he is also a billionaire....does that compute? Oh, yes it does. There are more wealthy Democrats than wealthy Republicans and Independents in the U.S. government in DC The pretense of taking from the RICH and redistributing among the mobs is only a ploy for votes.

                            Reply#19 - Fri May 18, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

                            Newest addition to our "diverse" family, born 5/19, 9lbs 2oz, my great grandson, Ezra. He will be loved and well taken care of and all this and more, despite the fact his great grandfather is a "conservative". And despite the fact that if Obama had a great grandson, he would look more like him than I. He has my heart and through him I now am insured immortality. I will help him grow up strong, kind, and when I die, it is my sincere hope that the world he inherits will not see him as black or white, but a member of one single race, HUMAN.

                              Reply#20 - Sat May 19, 2012 10:17 PM EDT

                              I still wanna know how come nobody's asked to see Romney's or Trump's birth certificates ? How do we know they were born in this country ?

                              • 1 vote
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