Put the tax rates back to Clinton era rates for a good start. Then spend to rebuild the nation and put people back to work. That plan will work. FDR proved it. And last but not least, vote all Republicans out of office.

Time to take his Chinese credit card away

How precious!

Tina babe, you do realize the debt ceiling consists of money already spent don't ya?

Tina babe, you do realize the debt ceiling consists of money already spent don't ya?

Obviously not .. those on the right have to be taught this every time this vote comes around .. further proof of their short term memory issues. This are the same people that want to return to the glory days of Bush, when stock markets crashed, housing bubbles burst, unfunded wars were started, and free meds to seniors, all paid for on the Chinese credit card.

Tina,

Since the Romney/Ryan budget is not balanced until 2040 and adds several more trillion to our debt over the next 27 years I wonder how many more times the needless, senseless debt ceiling will need to be increased?

BTW China only holds 12% of our debt and those nasty unions hold more than any foreign country and even more than those marvelous insurance companies.

Stop the insane spending so we do not have to raise the debt limit. It is the spending stupid. It is the all the Solyndra's , the GSA, the increased number of Czars and their departments, and the massive entitlement spending (60+ % of budget). Taxes cannot help the debt until the spending is curbed. Cut the massive over spending, that is common sense, that is looking forward, that will give hope to the country, that is the kind of change we need.

VOTE ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT stop Obama's economic insanity and class warfare.

Hey Job, where will the money come from to rebuild the nation? Oops.

Job 1 how will that help the democratic senate just voted down Obamas budget 99-0. Those are your people my friend.

UNCLE SAM - Please don't speak your not looking to bright . It is obvious you haven't a clue. The middle east is that way . Please kindly exit our free nation.

It would serve this stupid country right if "the entitled one" gets elected!! And if he does...I just hope he gets all the vitriol and hate slung right back at him such as this POTUS has had to endure. I for one will not let up on him if he steals this election. True form for Thugs/teabags!!

Tell me where were those leadership skills the last 3 three years???

Tina honey,

They have been there all along, see the problem is, you are so blinded by your raw hatred of President Obama you can't see them...

Are we clear now?

Feisty - Tina doesn't understand much so please only use one syllable words. Even those will be difficult (oops! hard) for her!

Tina and her kind are just dumbing down America.

My kind??? Tell me what is my kind????

Tina - dumb and dumber and dumber and.....

Fiesty and SS,

In the overall picture. None of these post will cause any effect or change. Just the thrill to insult and belittle. But to know how and why the progressives think the way they do, is important. What happens when you realize the majority of the middle-class homes in the country have conservative values. What happens when they speak up and try to be heard.

Here on this post, we get to see the very heart of the progressive. But its only here. Out here in the real world y'all are a minority, this is true and I am sure you are aware. Nothing gets solved and no one will win here. It is just a way to see your true colors and how better to head off the agenda.

MRWSR - I've read enough of your posts to know your stance on politics. Hate to break it to you but you're in the minority. Most of the homes in this country have values which means they are not conservative. We don't hate people because they are different than we are. We learn from each other and find that diversity helps us grow and doesn't hold us back.

We accept people for who they are - not because we want them to be just like us. We don't need to look into everybody's bedroom to decide what their hearts are like. We know that families have many different looks and that no two are exactly alike - but that isn't a bad thing.

You need to take a step back and realize that your belittling people for not believing in a backward movement is just like wanting to go back to the days of dragons and dinosaurs. Not gonna happen. Try moving into the real world.

MRWSR, Its nice to have an opinion but I do not see you even attempting to see the other side, so you are showing your colors as well. Now granted it is fun to come here and insult the other side no matter which side you stand on and I doubt anyone here really thinks they will change any ones opinion nor is that the objective. For you to lump and determine a single group (progressives) are in the minority is very presumptive of you or to assume we are a country of conservatives, never been out west have you. Not really conservative are they but then hey the west is not really a part of this country are they just the bible belt and east right. I think you also just made it very clear we have to live according to the conservative way of life or your beliefs, sorry but who appointed you GOD!

Seeking Sanity,

I do not like long post, but please give it a go.

In August 2009, Gallup data showed that conservatives outnumbered liberals in every single state. In February 2010, Gallup presented polling data that showed the same thing: though the numbers were different, conservatives outnumbered liberals in every state. Six months later, Gallup presented new polling numbers which showed that conservatives outnumbered liberals in every state but Rhode Island. One year ago, in February 2011, Gallup again showed polling data which revealed that in every single state, conservatives outnumbered liberals. Then, in February 2012, the Gallup Poll showed that in every state except Massachusetts, conservatives outnumbered liberals.

Crucially, Gallup never played up this startling news about the ideological composition of our nation. Instead it seemed to downplay this very big story. That ought to be very encouraging to conservatives, but instead many of us seem inconsolable and seem certain that our countrymen have been bribed or hypnotized or flattered into leftism by the organs of leftist propaganda or the leftist cadres within the federal government.

Survey USA, which sometimes uses the polling of local organizations in a state and sometimes conducts its own polls, conducted a national poll a few days before the latest Battleground Poll. This poll also shows that nationally, conservatives far outnumber liberals. Moreover, the polls conducted by local news organizations which report through Survey USA show the same thing.

The Battleground Poll, conducted by George Washington University in collaboration with a Democrat and a Republican polling organization, also has published the ideological self-identification of Americans. The latest Battleground Poll has just been released, and the pattern in the latest Battleground Poll is identical to the previous twenty-one polls over the last ten years.

In the latest poll, 58% of Americans describe themselves as "very conservative" or "somewhat conservative," while only 37% of Americans describe themselves as "very liberal" or "somewhat liberal." The "moderate" or "don't know" remain as in past polls very small, at 2% for both of those groups. Moreover, conservative Americans are much more conservative than liberal Americans are liberal. So, while 61% of Americans who identify themselves as conservative or liberal pick "conservative," when asked if they are "very conservative" or "very liberal," 68% of those strongly ideological Americans are "very conservative" while only 32% are "very liberal."

Is Battleground over-reporting conservatism in America? As I noted last November, the other Battleground Poll questions seem almost to be leftist push-polling. Look at the structure of Question 26, Question 27, Question 31, or Question 32 of that poll. Each question has false choices or leftist assumptions.

In September 2011, I noted that the August 2011 Battleground Poll seemed to show a significant drop in the percentage of conservatives in America, down to "only" 55% compared to 39% liberals. A review of the demographics of the population polled in August 2011, however, shows something very interesting: the age group of 18-24 had jumped dramatically over what it had been in all of the previous Battleground Polls, and the 24-29 age group had also gotten bigger than in previous Battleground Poll reports. America did not suddenly get much younger. Battleground had changed its polling sample.

Does a review of the February 2012 Battleground Poll demographics reveal anything unusual? Look at Question D6, which asks: "Which candidate for President of the United States did you vote for?" The response from those Battleground Poll polled was 54% "Barack Obama" and 41% "John McCain." What was the actual popular vote in 2008? Barack Obama received 52.9% of the vote and John McCain received 45.7% of the vote.

In the previous Battleground Poll, 48% of those polled said that they had voted for "Barack Obama" while 41% said that they had voted for John McCain, reflecting the actual seven-point gap in the 2008 election. That was identical to the May 2011 answers to Question D6. While all the other Battleground Polls after the 2008 election showed more Americans stating that they voted for Obama than McCain in their answers to Question D5 (Question D5 in earlier polls was Question D6 in the last few polls), the gap was much smaller than in the February 2012 Battleground Poll.

The answer to D6 (or D5 in earlier polls) did not relate to opinion or to future actions. It was a matter of simple historical fact: which candidate one voted for in 2008. The data ought to remain stable and ought to correspond closely to the actual election results. What happened in the latest Battleground Poll, which provides other encouraging news for leftists and Democrats, is that the population of Obama voters shot up dramatically while the population of McCain voters slumped.

The reality ought to be obvious to any American who is not a perennial conservative pessimist or a delusional leftist: conservatives are the overwhelming majority of Americans. The polling organizations which tell us that are none too happy about their findings and have tried to hide this fact or tweak populations to minimize conservatives.

That darned conservative majority, whose existence seems to please no one, remains resilient, robust, and very, very real.

You post a poll that is no more valid than the most recent on the presidential election. How sad you need to prop up your hatred for those not narrow minded like you. Thank heaven I see a different country that is growing up - not moving backward into the dark ages as you would have it. Post all the polls you want but the last Presidential election show that your ideology is fading and better minds will prevail.

I believe when Gingrich was Speaker they boasted the "moral majority." Nothing moral or major about the group as the constantly cheating Gingrich proved over and over again.

SS,

Good luck, then. We will see come November. If obama wins, then I will say congratulations, now.

If Obama doesn't win we are all going to suffer and who knows if this country can make it through a moron like Romney!

@ #3.7 SeekingSanity,

You have the guts in the last sentence to talk about "belittling people" ? OMG ! Really ?? Hypocrite much ??? All you have done lately is attack, attack, attack .... and yes, belittle those with different opinions than you.

Obama is simply contradicting Obama. Years back, he railed against debt increases talking about it representing failed leadership and the futures of our children. Now he wants more and more increases in debt and refuses to do anything realistic to stop the waste of government money.

jim-1455434 - and you are just like Tina. Put down people who do the same thing as you. Hypocrite much? Please!

Where was your concern about your children's future when Dubya did nothing but spend spend spend and kill, kill, kill. Oh - you didn't much care then, did you?

SeekingSanity,

I merely point out your ongoing attacks on others and then when others go back at you, you try to play "victim". Then, you try and go back to Bush ..... all the while ignoring Obama's hypocrisy regarding raising the debt ceiling. You appear to be a paid troll. The volume of your daily remarks is amazing, and so is the constant barrage of personal attacks on others.

Please tell me how you get by with it.

Well fiesty he better use some of those awesome leadership skills on the democrats in the senate. They just shot him down unanimously 99-0. A leader who doesn't lead his own party.

Well fiesty he better use some of those awesome leadership skills on the democrats in the senate.

Hey numbnuts - are you going to disclose WHY or continue to be a yellow-bellied pussy?

My $$$ is on the latter - like YOU & the rest of the RWNJ's! ;o)

Dictatorship="Leadership"? Really? There are still plenty of countries to move to if that's what you want.

The hypocrit cons. prefer leadership such as the "appointed one" used. Right over a cliff and the little piggies (cons.) squealed with pure pleasure as they were being sacrificed. Are all you "little piggies" truely stuck on stupid or is it just a mirage........

Time for your Messiah to fade in to the sunset.

You are off track on the RWNJ's talking points, haven't you heard President Obama is NOT a Messiah?

According to your ilk, he's a Socialist, Communist, Nazi, Kenyan etc...

Careful honey, keep talking like that and they may revoke your right wing whack job merit badge?

Tis,

Kind of hard to keep the kumbya thingy going when faced with this kind of ignorance, isn't it?

Feisty - you forgot Marxist! Don't forget Marxist!

Feisty - you forgot Marxist! Don't forget Marxist!

DAMNIT!

Good catch SS! ;o)

Come to think of it, I forgot Muslim as well!

Fiesty it is just amazing to come face to face with absolute blind stupidity. They are all so willing to shoot themselves in the foot and not see it coming.

Higher and more to the Center-Line . imo

Does Media Matters pay this little group of intolerant narrow minded Obama Zombies? I have yet to read any of the liberal haters bigoted posts offer any reasonable solutions or comments. The political liberals are the antithesis of the meaning of liberal.

VOTE ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT stop Obama's economic insanity and the hate and bigotry of his class warfare.

What leadership skills? His own people in the senate shot his budget down 99-0 today. Some leader can't even lead his own horse to water much less make it drink.I am so glad I left that party to become an independent.

Excuse me Tina but Bush had 8 years to screw it up,And screw it up he did,think thats bad wait till you get Romney as a president he has 17 of the 24 bush people working for him right now,He will be Bush on steroids and have to do everything his tea party big money pacs tell him to,Just like right now.Be careful what you wish for sister.

Tina...your racism and ignorance is showing. Quick...cover it up!! Do nothing Congress aka Boner, McConnell, DeMint and that ilk are the real problems.

Explain to me please "haters" what the hell you think Romney can do for you? I realize you and your ilk are all about ME ME ME...but really. What's ol Mutt's plan? I sure as hell haven't heard what he will to to help YOU YOU YOU!! What's his platform? Waiting to hear this...........LOL

And you crybaby cons. can slither over to a faux forum. You come to the Vine...full well knowing it is a lib/progressive site and bitch about being attacked? Ego maniacs!! You think that maybe you can take over the country but you are way out of your league attacking most in this forum.

Sorry, three years too late!!!!

Oh Tina, take your bit**ing to some of the GOP who have truly shown absolutely NO LEADERSHIP. In fact they have proved they don't care about our country - just a small group of people. The Messiah stupidity - please. The only people I hear calling Obama Messiah are the idiots like you on the right. Grow up! This man is working to do a good job for the country and all you can do is parrot the mental midgets of Fox with your lies!

Oh you poor little girl you have no idea do you. You think you are so righteousin your little mind, its never too late to rid this country of the disease (republicans) how about someone in your neighbor hood starts with you. Forget it you not worth the time or effort, your like a pimple on the azz of humanity.

Tina, give 'em hell.

Tina, give 'em hell.

Why?

Is it because you can't?

Sweet!

Vaginal Probe Bobby chimes in... lmao!

BIV got to let a women do the work your not up to. Balls said the queen if I had two I would be king. Keep up the faith BIV I have no doubt your wife tells you daily what your opinions are.

Fesity, despite your nasty name calling, my Governor has a 56% approval rating, the state budget is balanced , and the economy in Virginia is growing, with a 5.7% unemployment rate.

How's it going in Illinois with the crooked Chicago machine these days under your tax raising liberal Governor? Bankrupt yet?

BIV what does the bible preach about Pride?

ker plunk! That was Bob - hitting bottom!

No, SeekingSanity, hitting bottom is reading the vile, hateful, consistently personal attacks of you, Fiesty, and Tis the Season ...... all trying to see who can outdo the other with their venomous comments of the day. Then you pat yourselves on the back, and go at it again ... with little or no relevant points addressing the article.

Obama has just indicated he is unwilling to compromise on raising the debt ceiling ! Very soon, you girls will be accusing the Republicans of obstructionism. Pot meet kettle.

jim-1455434 - sorry Jim but the WOMEN on this site actually know what is going on - not like the boys like you (and when I refer to boys I am truly only talking to Jim and his few dimwits).

Why do you follow me? You spew your hatred but then attack me - but not JAS or nojoe. A little two-faced aren't you. Please go away and play with your "girls."

Why do you follow me?

Seeking Sanity,

Because this is what they do best.

They follow you around demanding you reply which in turn knocks you off your original message!

Best to just ignore - too much work to be done & no sense wasting your precious time on trolls!

Apparently you cannot handle the fact you are constantly violating the Code of Honor. I point out you personal attacks and you want to cry foul ?

Then, you try to belittle me as a "boy" and a "dimwit" ..... but want me to go away ?

When you make substantial, real progress in eliminating personal attacks from your daily repertoire of venom, I will feel no need to call you out on it. I doubt, however, you can accomplish posting without all the name-calling and attempted put downs you employ. It seems to be your "modus operandi".

Try focusing on the article for a change and see if you can actually bring something of value. Others do this on a regular basis.

jim - still waiting for you to call out the little righties. And, the "boy" comment was in response to the "girl" comment from you. But, again you're the "do as I say not as I do mindset, right?"
Talk about no value and I believe you are referring to you!

Feisty - so true!

Apparently you cannot handle the fact you are constantly violating the Code of Honor.

If you feel that is the case, then quit your bitching and REPORT it!

Jesus, talk about a pussy - stop stalking people!

One more thing Jimmy - if you are really so concerned about the COH, why aren't you calling those who stalk me & call me everything but human?

Me thinks, you are just a little too biased with your POUTRAGE!

Fiesty you liberals get exactly what you deserve. You call everybody else names and make comments about their ancestry and then wonder why they vote against you DUH. You liberals are your own worst enemies creating enemies every time one of you opens your mouths.

lonereb - what you have said is true but it gains no ground in the forum of ideas. debate by ad hominem is their style. be derisive and humiliate...show no sense of humility. and when momma cat starts the day with the first salvo of detritus, her pack is expected to sing hosanna to her mighty wind..so are we to sit and be silent with our poutrage? I chose not, hence this post. .

FRH, hypothetically speaking...Obama loses, will there be riots? And if Romney loses, will there be riots? If posting/grapevines/twitter and more are the new social mainstream...how many months/years before the vitriol found here and everywhere makes its way to the streets? Do you teach your children your sense of discourse? And who taught you your meanness? You berate hypocrisy, rightfully so, and yet you stir it up and ladle it out as well...go figure.

OMG!! The cons are gonna tell teacher that they have been insulted!! Wah wah wah!! If you "cons." don't like the discourse and lack of respect that you feel that you "haven't" earned....then I suggest you leave!! Free country right? Your choice. Man up and quit picking on women...but that's what you "guys?" do!! Big brave boys.......ugh!!

Once you resort to insults you have lost the intellectual argument.

Dave you would know your the president of clowns.

VOTE ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT kick the Obomination clown out of office.

Tis -

Amazing how you managed to contradict yourself entirely in consecutive sentences while also supporting Bobs argument.

Even more amazing how you managed to do that after disparaging an entire state and the educational system of that state.

Just wondering here....how does Bob need a GED when you do such a fine job of making his point for him?

Sorry did not mean to confuse you more than you already are. I will make is more simple for you. The debt ceiling has never been connected to future cost since it is to pay for past cost. If you want to fix future cost then deal with them seperately, putting them together is simply a political move on the part of the republicans. Is that easier for you.

Again, I am amazed.

You are attempting to say that paying the interest on the debt is not a future cost, and also suggesting that raising the debt ceiling wont impact that future cost.

In other words, are you suggesting that the debt does not matter?

Isnt that a classic line thrown out to attack republicans?

I have no doubt you spend your life in virtual amazement. One more time into the twilight zone we go. What happens if we do not raise the debt ceiling? What is the effect on the current debt even if we cut spending at the same time but that cut is over 5 years? How does that effect the current debt including interest sorry forgot that for you? Again what happens to our economy if we do not raise the debt ceiling and any spending cuts would be over a period of years not immediate. Ok lets see how you twist this one.

Oh my, you are fun.

But, I will play along for a little bit, just to see what happens.

The effect on current debt if we raise the debt ceiling - I would bet we can agree the debt will go up.

If we dont raise the debt ceiling, without cutting costs? Default and extremely bad times for everybody - can we agree on that?

Raise debt ceiling along with cost cuts over, to borrow your time line, 5 years - debt raises at a slower rate, but it depends on factors not included in your question, so I will leave it at that.

So to answer your question the short way - to play along with you - it is obvious the debt ceiling will have to be raised, or the economy will be having bad times that make the last 4 years look like a picnic.

However.....

The issue most pointed at by your side of the aisle is one of fairness, in one way or another. Be it income inequality, 99% vs 1%, tax rates, or social safety nets, it all boils down to "fairness"

So then, lets be fair - can we agree that increasing revenue is necessary?

If increasing revenue is necessary for the country, and our primary concern should be fairness, then can we not also agree that increasing taxes (revenue) on EVERYBODY is actually fair? I wont bother you with statistics about tax load shouldered by income level as a percentage of total taxes paid, or get into the argument of why that is fair or unfair - I just mean FAIR.

Before you get all concerned for the poor, I am not suggesting a flat tax or anything like that, but I am suggesting that everybody should bear a part of the cost, and the increases of those costs should be shared essentially across the board. As in, everybody pays their fair share - and no, I dont mean the poor get off free in terms of income tax, or that soak the rich is a viable plan. Just that increases be fair - as in incrementally imposed across income levels (progressive) but reasonable to all.

That type of revenue increase, along with cuts, will bring the debt under control....as long as the increased revenue is dedicated to some degree by law to pay down the debt.

Hows that for "twisting"?

VOTE ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT stop Obama's economic sucidal insanity.

Tis the season this is what will happen . We this generation of instant gratification will learn the cost of that lifestyle in government. It will hurt. We though will not be selling our children and grandchildren into slavery to China because we have not grown up. The debt is unsustainable and if we keep this up the same thing will happen uncontrolled. Every word I hear from your mouths is the same thing I heard from the Mexican government in the 80's. Then their money devalued from 12-1 to the dollar to 300-1 to the dollar in about a week and to 1200-1 in about 6 months. the wages did not go up but the prices sure did.

If the GOP is obstructionist then explain todays senate vote. They have a democratic majority and they shot Obamas budget down 99-0.

"As long as I'm around here, I'm not going to allow a debt ceiling increase without doing something serious about the debt."

What a load of road apples!

Same thing last summer and what happened....

Came up with a possibility of spending cuts, and agreement on mandatory spending cuts if it didn't work out; well, it didn't work out and what have Boehner & McConnell & Cantor & company done? refused to live up to their own promises and allow the mandatory cuts to kick in.

Guess they really aren't so set on cutting spending in reality...

Now they threaten to hold us hostage again? For what purpose? Why, only to harm America & her citizens obviously, hoping the blame will go to the President.

NAW -- Don't think so tea/gop wingnuts. Voters see and will know what you are doing.

Idiots!

They didn't they voted 99-0 against the presidents budget.

Tina - must be hard to know you don't have any candidates that are good enough to take out the trash - much less be President. Your kind have caused the racial and class warfare - you just don't have the spine to admit it.

by admitting cause, you're acknowledging existance. Why can't ideas be graded without looking at who said it first. There are no racial arguments unless you first look for color, there are no small ideas, only small people.

SS-

you do not know anything about me...how dare you use your vile dribble.

rac·ist

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noun
1.
a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all
others.

Do you think you are superior to me, I think not. Two can play your little childish games.

Tina, age does not determine maturity as you clearly demonstrate. The only party to create warfare in this country are the republicans, that has been their goal for decades. As for how well he has done, not perfect but then no one is again the republicans are the poster children for that as well. Oh and Tina SS did not say you are a racist only that your ilk promote racism and class warfare. Sorry you need to work on your reading skills. As for how anyone dares state that all the vile dribble here is only the left again goes to your reading skills and it has nothing to do with being superior to you, in fact this whole thing has really nothing to do with you, you have no purpose or meaning in this life, you just are here nothing more.

Sad to think folks like you are allowed to vote in the great country of ours. Do you ever stop and think about the nonsense you spew. You are vile and evil. My existence here is to stop folks like you from destroying our nation even further. Can't handle the truth can you.....

Sad to think folks like you are allowed to vote in the great country of ours.

There it is folks - if you disagree with the Republican Taliban you should not be allowed to vote!

Any wonder why the right is so obsessed with passing voter suppression laws?

Poor little Tina, honey, you might want to quit while you're behind, at this point you look even more foolish then when you started spewing your nonsense!

Tina, who's truth mine, yours, theirs, ours. Truth is only what you want it to be. Facts are what you are looking for and refuse to see since they do not fit your truth. And now you judge me as vile and evil, do you remember "SS-

you do not know anything about me...how dare you use your vile dribble" it seems you do not like being judged but yet you do the same to others. So what makes you so special. Besides is there not a verse in the bible that goes something like, judge not least ye be judged. You need to read up on your faith more. Sorry for you I have as much right to vote as you do and neither your faith or party can stop that yet, although not for a lack of trying

Tina - so let me get this straight. It's okay for you to use vile dribble but no one else? Gottcha! How did I not realize you are the only one allowed to spew vileness! Sorry to have encroached on your turf!

You have done a HELL of a lot more than encroach on her turf. Just go to your "voluminous" posts for today and examine YOUR vile rhetoric, SeekingSanity. You make personal attacks very frequently.

jim- you have a serious problem with following me, don't you? Is it that you can't keep up? You never put down the little righties who spew their hatred but you have a problem with me? Just go away and find someone else to stalk!

It appears YOU are stalking me. It's not that I can't keep up, I have a job ! You should try it sometime.

jim dear - been working all day and about to leave. Bye Bye

VOTE FOR ROMNEY stop Obama's economic insanity and his divisive class warfare.

Don't worry Tina most people on here have the same maturity level as the House and Senate. They should all be in time out. I suggest this little courtesy lesson none of you are friends so do not call each other honey or dear because that is a personel insult in this case.

EB I think Sandilove has it pretty clear for you. Please explore the internet and look up debt ceiling you will find as stated that the "debt" ceiling is for what has been spent not what is going to be spent and as for waste (passing on the obvious), I have no doubt waste could be found in your budget as well so stating the obvious is not the fix needed. If we do not raise the debt ceiling we will default on our loans and what happens to your credit rating if you do that.

So we owe it and raise the cieling and just like last time our government spends more than it takes in so in one year we raise it again so they can spend more than they take in and we raise it again. See the vicious cycle. The government has maxxed its credit cards kids time to cut them up. Time to gat serious and fire anybody involved in $800,000 parties and their leader.

"looming slaughter" really your kidding right as least you have the right picture for the statement. I only hope this statement was satire.

TIS... The Bush Tax has been extended twice by Obama and Dems in 3 1/2 years...TWICE If it is not renewed, come Jan 2013, the middle class tax rates will increase a distinct amount...approx. $1,000,000,000,000.

stone, go have another banana and rewrite history.

WHICH DEMS? Senate hasn't bothered to pass a budget in 3 years. OH, that's "different" they aren't DUMOCRATS, are they?

You Libs continuously bring up ending subsidies to "big oil" when our gas prices are DOUBLE what they should be. Republicans don't mind ending those, but NOT just those, but Obama REFUSES to talk about the subsidies to his bed baby companies, but you monkey Libs don't care about those, do you?

The LIE about cut benefits is becoming IDIOTIC and pathetic. When 50% of this country get "benefits" it's TOO much. Can you not comprehend the IGNORANCE of a Gov't that is GIVING that much away? Rhetorical, as you monkey libs don't care.

Maybe you need to move since you clearly don't have the capacity to comprehend that Gov't is NOT supposed to provide for you from cradle to grave. Who the hell do you think is paying for THAT. Maybe you should rename yourself JULIA, based on Obama's recent ad.

Jerry do you have an attachment to Monkeys we need to know about. Now we have to move because we do not agree with you, who made you King. As for subsidies how come the GOP voted not to end those pesky things when they had the chance. I for one have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to hand outs, never seen on in my life and since I paid into SS I don't plan on receiving one either. Jerry you really need some help with this Monkey thing unless you are into spanking the monkey?

OH look Jerry learned a new word today "Monkeys" we are so proud of you and you know how to spell it as well. We will put a gold star on your report card for you. I think I would call this a learning curve from looking on the outside to living on the inside. Goes to show learning is a lot better than living in a conservative cave. Just because you do something does not mean you agree with it. Life is full of new things come on step out of the cave and see for yourself. Even you might learn something..... well maybe.

Tis, good you actually did read something. NOT this article, but you did read. Good for you, exercise is good for the brain. I guess at least this time Gov't isn't paying. Maybe you should pay me?

Now, monkey, I'll provide something that you can't LIE your way out of in next post. All you'll be able to do is attack me and LIE. Like a good little Liberal.

I see you are progressive at heart after all. I let you figure that one out. And why make me wait for my next lession, I might miss it then were will I be. After all you are my God and instructor in life how can I live without your lessions oh mighty one. Me thinks thou are a little full of thy self. Alot.

Tis, read post 19, attempt to respond. I call you Libs monkeys because you haven't evolved enough yet to think on your own.
Seeking, good. Try harder. why not read post 19. if then you can justify our Democrat's actions in office, then hey, I'm the monkey. Do so without LYING, simply JUSTIFY...

You can't, so have a banana.

Caring what you think of me is not something I'm concerned about, now again, have another banana, as no way can you do anything but LIE in response to post 19. PERIOD.

Now, I'll be off, now, supporting the LIBS that are too good to work by paying my fair share and yours in taxes.

Maybe I'd feel differently if it weren't for the FACT that 50% of the USA is now getting Gov't handouts. Too many people riding for FREE in cart and not enough people pushing. You LIBS are demanding that the ones PUSHING push harder. I'm simplye saying, NO...I'm tired of pushing dead weight and it is time for some monkeys to start pushing too.

Also, maybe I'd agree with increase in taxes..IF we addressed the CORRUPTION, misuse and misappropriation of monies being spent by our Gov't. Obama is wanting the "rich" to pay more while it's CLEAR our Gov't is misusing what they are getting. GSA, Secret Service, medicaid fraud, etc...clean that up and maybe we don't need an increase...

I'm fine with closing loopholes, but do it for ALL programs, including Microsoft and IBM which pay roughly 9% in taxes, compared to Oil Companies paying some 54%. You Libs don't give a crap about Microsoft and IBM making millions, as they support Obama. OH, guess what plastic is made from monk...LOL...

Put it together....address the loopholes, but Obama is asking to address the ones that don't GIVE him money. What's wrong with THAT picture? you libs don't care, it's not your money.

Jerry you really need help with this monkey thing its a problem for you. I suggest you ask the Democrates why they did not pass these budgets, but I suspect it has something to do with revenue increases during a recession we all know you can't do that it would be a crime against republicans. Been real nice talking with you today. Maybe tomorrow you can learn a new word "Moron"

Tis,

thanks, you proved my point. The Dems have stated they didn't pass because it makes CUTS. Well, WHY not then pass one themselve, you moron.

That's the point. You can't complain about what another DID, when you did NOTHING, but that's what Dems are doing.

Grow up and pay attention, but again, I doubt that happens. New word, huh? Well I know I can substitute Tis the Season for moron and be dead on.

Well the senate finally voted on the presidents 2013 budget 99-0 this time. Obama shot down by friendly fire again

lonereb,

So basically, we are not going to see a budget anytime soon? We also wont see us moving "FORWARD"

Its so insulting to see the people we put into office, to represent us, are the very same people unwilling to do anything in fear of losing a vote.

Uncle,

[Obama promised to cut the national debt in HALF by the end of his first term.]

Not true – he promised to cut the budget deficit in half.

Reality,

Burring money is foolish because if we go bankrupt it will be worthless. Buy precious metals and bury them.

Well Dennis he didn't do that either did he?

lonereb,

You didn’t say why the vote was 0-99. There was a very good reason that no Dems voted for it other than the budget figure, so what was it? Please provide us the rest of the story.

Also what was the vote total on the House budget in the Senate today?

Did any Dems vote for it? Did any Republicans vote against it?

Very good post, really funny. Didn't one of the late night comedians (maybe Leno) also have a good one when he said something along the line that "Obama is bringing families closer together, children are now moving back in with their parents."