Actually clueless Joe is our secret weapon !

Keep the gaffes coming, Joe !

Jesus himself taught tolerance. Today preachers are busy teaching others to be intolerant, and to deny those different from you their humanity. Those who claim to be leaders in Christian Churches often endorse the dehumanization of large portions of our population. God forgive them.

Bob in VA - We'll gladly take Joe. You've got the idiot Romney to deal with and he's by far the biggest gaffe in a long time!

to :Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Hey Beisty, who the hell is Biden. Is that the guy that asked the disable Veteran on a wheel chair to get up. Please give me a brake. i would vote 100 times for Hillary than that senile men. I have no idea why our president would pick someone like that. Where you once a cheerleader in Loyola University? I think I saw you there.

feisty i would say you and bit me have about the same iq sorry

I've heard Joe Biden speak in person twice now, and he's extremely effective with this sort of "populist" speech to this sort of audience. Unlike so many other politicians who try to make the same sort of pitch (Romney, for a prime example), Joe invariably comes across as being sincere, heartfelt, and believeable - someone you could actually believe is "one of us". I had the chance to shake hands and speak with him briefly at one appearance, and I can only say that anyone who discounts his personal warmth and ability to connect with an audience just because of his "gaffes" is completely underestimating his value to the campaign.

But hey, feel free to continue to do so......

Wayne --

Those who claim to be leaders in Christian Churches often endorse the dehumanization of large portions of our population. God forgive them.

Exceptionally well put. The same applies to Governor Walker in Wisconsin. God made him take all those people off BadgerCare, slash the education budget, and reduce the pay of public workers by 10 percent. Because God, as a member of the 1 percent Himself, wanted all the lesser Godlings to have a tax break.

Way to go Joe, bury Romney!

And we get this from Lyin' Joe Biden:

Biden accused the GOP nominee of gutting companies without regard for hundreds of employees who lost their jobs and benefits when they were shuttered.

Yeah, Joe, just like the THOUSANDS of employees that lost their jobs when Odumbo forced GM and Chrysler to shut down hundreds of dealerships across the country, most of them small family owned businesses that contributed greatly to their local economy. Yep, Odumbo was only interested in protecting UNION JOBS, the hell with the thousands of employees those dealerships had to let go.

And another thing, Joe, your latest campaign ad blames Romney for plant closings that happened years AFTER he had left Bain. But, as usual, you Dems never let the truth get in the way of a good lie!

Then we can look at the thousands of Americans that lost jobs at companies like Solyndra, EverGreen Solar, Ener1, Fisker, and the rest of the "green jobs" companies that are now either out of business or have sent their jobs to China and elsewhere after Odumbo handing them billions of dollars of OUR MONEY to create jobs! Odumbo didn't tell us the jobs were going to be outsourced to other countries or completely evaporate! I'm sure those foreign workers really appreciate the U.S. running HUGE DEFICITS and BORROWING 40 CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND providing the Chinese, the Fins, and the rest of them jobs while Americans in record numbers hit the unemployment lines.

Biden is as inconsequential as the "change" that has occurred in the past 3 years. Niether congress nor the administration have the balls to tax the American people, but they seem free-wheeling about borrowing from China for their overspending. The American people should go online and simply borrow directly for loan money from the Chinese, leave congress and the administration out of it, they are expensive unnecessary overhead.

Joe Biden, the perpetual gaffe machine. Joe even speaks eloquently at times, just like the messiah he works for, but neither one of them know what the truth is.

I'm going to enjoy seeing these two liars go down in November!

Old Redhead:

Joe is blasting all right, he continues to embarrass this nation to the eyes of the world. This poor old dimwit is so far over-the-hill he will be lucky to find a home in the dementia wing.

He also let the cat out-of-the-bag and obama was forced into the queer debates. The thing they aren't speaking about is the reason they did this. If you have those gays & lesbians earning more than $200K per year qualify as a married couple (which we know defies any definitions) then as married couples they pay the "obama rich couples tax" on income over $250K per year. The dimwits have figured once again how to collect more taxes while claiming it was done as their efforts for " equal rights"!! It was really only done to just get more tax dollars from a group starving for some nonsensical married status. They were just blinded by the BS while obama had his hand down in their pants. They thought he was "playing their game" when he was simply reaching for their money!!

David --

Yeah, Joe, just like the THOUSANDS of employees that lost their jobs when Odumbo forced GM and Chrysler to shut down hundreds of dealerships across the country, most of them small family owned businesses that contributed greatly to their local economy.

If GM and Chrysler had been liquidated, which was the ONLY possible outcome under Romney's managed bankruptcy idea, which called for non-existent private financing, a million or more jobs would have been lost.

AND those same dealership employees that you're talking about -- and ALL the other GM and Chrysler dealership employees in the COUNTRY -- would also have lost their jobs because there would have been no cars to sell.

Or are you just too stupid to see that?

Given the circumstances, I'd say the President made the right choice. Those dealership employees were toast, either way, thanks to good old Republican economic policies and THEIR caring family values.

The Democrats have changed from fear mongering to the party of hatred. Hate anyone that makes more then you do. Hate anyone that has been more successful. Hate everyone that does not want to pay more in taxes for Washington to waste. So much for uniting the nation. Obama and Biden are all about division, as if that has been much of a secret. Only the mainstream media and the Obama supporters were out in left field about it.

If GM and Chrysler had been liquidated, which was the ONLY possible outcome under Romney's managed bankruptcy idea, which called for non-existent private financing, a million or more jobs would have been lost.

Anna Molly, are YOU REALLY TOO STUPID TO SEE? Obama didn't save a darn thing except his standing with the union. He forced GM and Chrysler into an even MORE expensive and convoluted bankruptcy where stockholders (like people's pension funds) got nothing! In his zeal to literally steal these companies from their rightful owners, he made things worse, not better. His mission was to give them to the union and the U.S. Treasury, not protect the rest of the employees and the rightful owners. Obama actually made the situation worse, instead of better. There are plenty of companies that file Chapter 11 bankruptcy so they can restructure and shed debt, greedy union contracts and return to profitability without government interference. But Obama wanted to protect the unions, not do what was right.

There were plenty of other ways keep these two companies afloat via the free market and a normal bankruptcy process and would've only required government loan guarantees, not a HUGE INJECTION OF TAXPAYERS' MONEY! But Obama was against a normal business bankruptcy and restructuring because it would've meant the union contracts would most likely have been voided.

Further, his team of idiots led by Timmy Geithner forced the closure of WAY TOO MANY dealerships. Dealerships are the customer facing part of the business that generates sales revenue! Get it! The fewer dealerships you have, the fewer cars you're going to sell. The fewer cars you sell, the longer it is going to take for these two companies to get back on their feet. Both are now trying to rebuild the dealership network Obama destroyed. Not only is it slowing the recovery for GM and Chrysler, some communities lost ALL their Chrysler and GM dealerships.

Those dealerships were an integral part of the local economy and all the other ancillary businesses that survived off them have been hurt along with entire communities. If you are a small community of 10,000 people or less, having 400 or more people laid off can be devastating. Entire families were left without jobs. You can bet none of those people are going to vote for Obama again. You want to bellyache about the Post Office closing its rural offices and how difficult it is going to make it for people and businesses to utilize their services? Same thing applies to these closed dealerships. In some communities that now means driving dozens of miles out of town to buy a vehicle or get it serviced. Just what hurting American families need is Obama's $4/gallon gas and the need to drive even further than they should have to.

Sure, tell me again how Obama helped these companies and their former employees. All he did was help the union and give him control over how GM and Chrysler run their businesses in his quest for power.

Obama has destroyed more jobs than Romney or Bain Capital ever has, that's for sure. Not only that, he's left us with an environment that makes getting a job extremely difficult. Whatever happened to his Summer of Recovery? Whatever happened to his promise to keep unemployment under 8%? It hasn't been under 8% since. Obama has got to go for the good of the country.

CEO2NV2, you have serious issues. you need to stop watching FOX with this craziness you're spouting. The automobile industry couldn't get any backing in this country so the government bailed them out. Get a Grip, Find out the FACTS!

Most Americans, like David, are not smart enough to be forward looking. It is not your fault; it is harder than looking back. While the execution of the Green technologies subsidies was done poorly, Obama at least has the right idea that the Federal government should be funding research and development for green energy. Obama has tried to reduce subsides for big oil, forcing oil prices up, and increasing the incentives for both consumers and manufactures to invest in green energy. While most people see cheap gas as an American right, paying what the rest of the world pays for gas would be unthinkable, only higher prices will motivate people to seek alternatives to fossil fuels.

Companies like Solyndra never had a chance competing against Chinese government owned green energy companies that have no problem running a deficit to eliminate foreign competitors like Solyndra. Beijing simply picks up the bill until they archive monopoly status and can then make up the lost revenue with increased prices with no competition. Combine that with lower labor costs and more government investment in manufacturing infrastructure and US green companies don’t have a chance to compete on the world market. Maybe if Bush had been more concerned with Chinese currency manipulation than WMD in Iraq, we would have the ability to compete with Chinese companies.

Does that mean we should simply give up on green energy? Mitt thinks so. Let’s just keep drilling, and subsidizing dying technologies while the rest of the world surpasses us in the most vital immerging market in human history. Just like the GOP to keep pushing our problems further down the line for our children to deal with. I once saw someone comment on here that “the economy is doing poorly under this administration, just look at Best Buy going out of business.” No, Best Buy is going out of business like other similar competitors like Circuit City because they refused to adapt to the internet savvy competitors like Amazon. Fossil fuels are the past. Big oil is the Best Buy of energy. It is time we start investing in our future instead of subsidizing our past.

"And another thing, Joe, your latest campaign ad blames Romney for plant closings that happened years AFTER he had left Bain. But, as usual, you Dems never let the truth get in the way of a good lie!"

JUst when did Romney cut all ties with Bain..as far as I have seen written, he still gets funds from them..is stall a part..even if smaller.

ay ay ay feisty, Joe sleepy Biden is just one of the reasons that I wont vote for Obama again, I would probably change my mine if it was Obama / Clinton well!! nah not even then. come on stop being an Obamabot " I did"

anybody but Obama 2012!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't begrudge the wealthy for being wealthy. I don't envy anybody for what they have. I don't want anybody elses money. I don't hate anybody.

I dispise hypocracy. I hate selfeshness. I deplore those who would stand on the backs of others to get MORE, without due consideration for those who helped them get what they have.

Look - it's simple economics. The driver of the economy is NOT the uber-wealthy. These are not the "job creators". It's the middle class who feed the economic machine. They are the consumers. They are the spenders, because they have to be. They have no choice. The middle class is the canary in the coal mine. When there is a healthy middle class then everybody does well. Even the very wealthy get even wealthier. The uber class should do all they can to protect the middle class. If it dies, so does their golden goose. Right now they are fixated on immediate gratification. They are not investing in the future of our country. It used to be different. The great economic boon of the 50's and 60's came out of the GI Bill... Government sponsored education grants. The middle class surged. And the rich got richer.

Study history. The greatest time of social, political, and economic upheaval occur during times of great economic disparity. Pick a place and time in history where there was great turmoil. It will correspond perfectly to a time of great economic imbalance.

The rich can keep their money. I don't give a crap. But if they are smart, they will honor, cherish and INVEST in the middle class, and understand the value to themselves that will come when there is an avenue for the poor to elevate themselves into the middle class, instead of the other way around.

Jeez people. How many times must humanity go through this cycle before we get a collective clue.

I'm no socialist, but one of the greatest socialist from history had it right when he said,

"What you do unto the lowest of men, you do unto me".

Rick-3416939

The Democrats have changed from fear mongering to the party of hatred...

Fear mongering is the specialty of the Right.

Fubo-1046099's reply above is a very good post, and expresses what most progressives/liberals feel. However, I must say I am very bitter toward Republican polcies and the Lost Decade (from 2001 to 2011) my generation will suffer from the most. I blame failed voodoo economics completely, and only blame the Dems in so much as they did not stop the destruction, or worse enabled it at times. But it is the Republicans, especially the Tea Party and the extreme entrenchment in their old faild policies, along with obstruction of efforts by other to turn things around that I am most disgusted by. Getting rid of these treasonist douchbags is what I'll work toward to the day I die. If you want to call that hate, so be it.

But any voter out there who thinks Romney would not bail out another "Too Big To Fail" meltdown--which will happen again thanks to the GOP/TP blocking regulation and breaking up the FDIC-insured part of banks from the risky hedge fund side. And Romney will bail them out with a blank check, and he will do it without batting and eye. In fact, he will profit from it and leave YOU the tax payers to pick up the tab yet again.

CEO2NV2 --

There are plenty of companies that file Chapter 11 bankruptcy so they can restructure and shed debt, greedy union contracts and return to profitability without government interference. But Obama wanted to protect the unions, not do what was right.

With all due respect, this is just plain ridiculous and a pathetic attempt to rewrite history. There was no private sector financing available for restructuring. If President Obama had not stepped in, both GM and Chrysler would have failed. In case you don't remember, we were in the midst of an economic meltdown caused by the collapse of Wall Street. Even the Chairman of Ford realized this when he went to Congress and begged for help because he knew if GM and Chrysler failed, so would Ford. Look it up. If GM and Chrysler failed, more than a million jobs would have been lost, including ALL the GM and Chrysler dealerships in the entire country. You can't sell cars if there are no cars to sell. Arguing that the dealerships should have been maintained, even if it meant that the manufacturers themselves would collapse under the weight, makes no sense whatsoever.

There is no simply help for someone who is so ideologically bound up that he cannot accept facts. Making decisions without facts is bad business. That's evidently what you would have done, and that's what Mitt Romney did when he suggested Chapter 11 reorganization for the auto companies but said that the government should not "write a check" to pay for it. There simply was no one else in a position to do it. If the Chairman of Ford knew there was no private capital available, then anyone who knew anything about the world of finance should have known there was no private capital available. Certainly, the King of Bain ought to have known. You are therefore left with two choices: He either knew, and wanted those failures, so the assets could be acquired at firesale prices, or he didn't know, which is infinitely worse.

The major premise of the rest of your post is false. We have now had about 3 years of uninterrupted job growth. A net gain of millions of jobs during that time, after the losses caused by the housing bubble burst and the financial meltdown, neither of which can be laid at President Obama's doorstep.

And if you think that anyone here NVs you, think again.

@ fission -- Excellent post. Please make that on the main thread of First Thoughts one of these days. There are a few folks who post there daily who could benefit from some learning.

Well said Anna Molly, thank you.

as i understand obama and biden both have invested in Bain Capital as well as other "similar" companies.

CEO,

Who cares about the stock holders. Because of what the Obama administration did GM is now the #1 automaker in the World. I repeat the World. What are the chances that GM would have recovered without a bailout? Obviously we will never know for sure but they sure as hell would not be #1 right now (maybe later down the road but certainly not now).

Romney would have done what he did at Bain and that any "sound" capitalist would do, let if fail and die. We would have lost GM and much of our auto industry if we had taken that approach. The auto industry are our last line of defense for manufacturing jobs and exports. Cars are about the only thing we make besides chopsticks that I can name off the top of my head that we export (I am sure there are others).

Do not get me wrong I am against bailouts unless absolutely necessary. The Bank bailouts were not necessary because they banks did that damage to themselves willingly and without resistance. The auto industry was a victim of what the financial industry wrought. They did not, not entirely, force themselves into bankruptcy; they did help the process along but it was the crash in 2008 that kicked it off in earnest.

Pure capitalism does not work and will never work. Jobs in a pure capitalism are not consistent, they job pool will always be shedding more jobs then are created. This is because as products lose demand product decreases or services are discontinued. There are not usually things that replace these as the reason demand has dropped is a competitor was out pricing the producer or the product is no longer wanted.

We do not have a pure capitalism and we never have had one. We have always had a mixture of social, fascist, and capitalist economic policies in varying degress but never a pure form of any of them just like our own Government's makeup. We do not have a full democracy but we do not have a full dictatorship either; it is somewhere in between where we elect people to represent us but not fully represent us in our Government. These people are akin to dictators for each district and can either advance what the people want to what they personally want. While the President has the power to veto any bill coming out of Congress, Congress can overrule the President. Further still the Supreme Court can overrule any ruling of any Governing body in this country be it State or Federal.

We have a system where we have dictatorships within democracies within dictatorships within democracies within dictatorships within representative Government. Each state is like a sovering nation that is able to pass its own laws. They each have their own dictatorial bodies what are elected to represent the people. This is mirrored at the federal level. Governors are similar to the President but only have jurisdiction over their state. Above them comes the Federal Government where we have Congress above most of the other agencies and branches in terms of control. The President acts as a balance to Congress and can veto bills. In this way the President is also akin to a dictator because they can block or pass bills at their own discretion. Above all of these entities, including the states, is the Supreme Court. The Justices are also akin to dictators in that they are not appointed by the public and they require no public opinion in their rulings. They are free to interpret what laws are constitutional or unconstitutional based upon their own opinions or on precedents set in previous cases. They can overrule States, Congress, and the Executive branch of the Government and their rulings can only be contested by their institution. The SCOTUS is basically the highest court in the land and sets our laws where breaches of the legality are concerned and have no oversight except that the executive office can appoint Justices.

Our government is very messy just as our economy is extremely messy. When things are so messy getting clear cut ways to fix problems is not only improbably but it is not realistically possible most of the time.

Thanks Anna Molly.

To Anna Molly who said:

If GM and Chrysler had been liquidated, which was the ONLY possible outcome under Romney's managed bankruptcy idea, which called for non-existent private financing, a million or more jobs would have been lost.

If that is true, why did Ford decline to take any Government hand out and come out of bankruptcy as well off as GM and Chrysler? The bankruptcy system works to help companies in financial distress reorganize without being liquidated or going out of business entirely. You might want to do a little research.

You might want to do a little research as well Bill. Ford had borrowed, luckily or strategically (your guess is as good as mind), massive amounts of capital prior to the collapse in 08. It left them in a much better position financially when after the crash, capital became much harder to borrow. GM had not borrowed as much capital prior to 08 and it left them vulnerable and in need of government assistance in the wake of financial meltdown.

Here is passage from an article in Forbes:

"But wait a minute. OK, Ford didn’t file bankruptcy or get bailed out by Uncle Sam, but didn’t it receive $5.9 billion in low-cost government loans in 2009 to overhaul its factories and bring out more fuel-efficient technology? What would have happened to Ford if Congress hadn’t authorized taxpayer money to fund that $25 billion Energy Department program during a moment of crisis for the industry?"

If the above statement is true, nothing that you said is correct Bill. (Except that bankruptcy does help some, not all, companies in financial peril with debt.) Ford did not take a handout, but they did require a low interest loan even after borrowing huge amounts of capital prior to 08. As you said, “you may want to do a little research” before you speak.

Amy ,

Joe Biden just said you shouldnt have "wealth envy", didnt he?

You want the so-called 1% to involuntarily hand over their property to the almighty Government? That is what being an American means?

Bob in VA - I don't think any of us who don't like Romney have "wealth envy." Speak for yourself! And, just for your info - not all of the 1% have a problem with paying higher taxes - just the buffoons on the right!

Is it SeekingSanity or Sanity Sinking IN. I think you should give your avatar to Joe Biden.

Bob in Virginia

Have you seen the TV show that traces celebrities' genealogical roots called Who Do You Think You Are?

A couple of weeks ago they spotlighted Rob Lowe's heritage, and turns out he is descended from a Hessian soldier who was brought to America to fight against the colonists. Lowe's ancestor was taken prisoner, but freed by a decree from General Washington, forgiving Hessians who chose to change sides.

Centuries later, the document that allowed the Daughters of the American Revolution to declare Lowe's relative a patriot was proof he paid a tax levied by Washington to pay for the American Revolution, after the war. Republicans seem to have forgotten, paying your taxes is the patriotic thing to do.

You should watch the episode, you could learn alot :)

http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/episode-guide/season-3/460306/rob-lowe/episode-309/481651/

Bob in VA, it's hard to convince people that are living off YOUR hard earned money to vote for Romney because that will be the end of the gravy train for them.

I agree Amy. If you care about your country, you support it with the money you earn by the sweat of your brow. Countries who don't believe in this look like Afghanistan.

Fisting Redhead in Roselle..Yeah, Biden really gives em hell doesn't he. This is the guy who everytime he goes out in public, causes the Hussein staff to hemmorage with what comes out of his mouth. I give him credit though...he can speak without the use of a teleprompter unlike Hussein. Problem is, he doesn't say anything.

Yay! More class warfare!

It is very obvious that austerity is not the answer in Europe, either.

I suppose default is the answer because they have left it so late they're are no more alternatives. Given the current situation in Portugal, Italy, Spain and Greece who is going to lend them the money to maintain their social services never mind pay for a stimulus of public works?

Former Senator Simpson (R-Wyoming) on what he would say in response to Paul Krugman, who argues for more spending for the U.S. to grow out of recession: "I say why don't you read our report and then get back to me. It is 67 pages talking about taking care of the vulnerable in society. It talks about not moving too fast. We don't talk about putting teeth in the shark until 2013. Paul Krugman is a great economist, but he ain't the best in the world. This is nuts. To have one guy or me or him being the total focus here, but you do not have to have a brain to know that if you owe it 16 trillion dollars when Italy is going down the slope and their debt is $2.6 trillion and ours is $16, and when you spend a buck and borrow 42 cents and when every penny of revenue that came into this country last year with income tax, excise tax and tariffs, went to only three programs. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. We have borrowed for the rest of it. Ask Paul how the hell you get through that. This is totally predictable, totally unsustainable. I love to read his stuff because it borders on hysteria. He talks about the lost souls of the past, and he is in there, too. This is not 20 years ago, it isn't 10. It is now. You have 10,000 a day coming into the system. The demographics are there. It is all different -- it is not the same."

Alan, we did not practice austerity toward the Germans after WWII, and and the Marshall plan saved western Europe from a very long depression. Now Germany feels that the way to prosperity is to cut spending. Where would Germany be now if we had decided to take the same path toward Germany in 1945? What if there had been no airlift and no Marshall plan? The German plan of austerity is doomed to failure. People will only stand austerity so long before there is revolution in the streets. Thanks to tightwads in Germany, we are about at that point now.

Alan, we did not practice austerity toward the Germans after WWII, and and the Marshall plan saved western Europe from a very long depression. Now Germany feels that the way to prosperity is to cut spending. Where would Germany be now if we had decided to take the same path toward Germany in 1945? What if there had been no airlift and no Marshall plan? The German plan of austerity is doomed to failure. People will only stand austerity so long before there is revolution in the streets. Thanks to tightwads in Germany, we are about at that point now.

And do we still give money to Germany? The countries involved have no intention of changing their spending habits as long as the spigot is open. We would all love Cadillac social services and retirement. I mean why can I not retire at 50 and have the taxpayer take care of me? Why must I wait to 65? There is only so much money an it has finally ran out.

Snuffy just keeps getting more comical by the day.

Says someone who speaks from experience... lol

Poor lost soul Snuffy Smith - can't even sling a decent insult anymore!

Feisty - I actually think Snuffy is a little pathetic. You gotta feel sorry for someone that out of touch with reality!

JoAnna, we know you hate Obama and everything about him. You don't have to keep reminding us.

JoAnna, ignore the ones that deluding themselves into thinking Obama has done anything right. They can delude themselves right into a defeat in November. Fortunately for us, the majority of America is much smarter than they are and can see Obama has no positive record to run on. They can't win on substance, so they hurl insults. And they're from the party that preaches tolerance! What a joke. Just another liberal fallacy.

They can't win on substance, so they hurl insults

Like these from you?

YOU REALLY TOO STUPID TO SEE?

or you are outright lying.

what the stingy, heartless Obamas gave.

Hypocrite.

What a joke is right - shame it's on YOU!

Practice what you preach for a change there junior!

You really aren't very good at this... ;o)

I don't see any proof disputing Joannas post only insults.

"There's reason Willard is a "Corporate Radar" "

LOL...Sandie, "there's reason" you are on the moonbat "B" team... you just convinced 5 people to vote for Romney.

Bob in VA - my guess is you're always the last one picked - for any team. And, no, it would take a lot more to make any intelligent people vote for Romney!

@Sandie

Here is another fun fact. 72% of Bain Capital contributions went to Democrats. Oops..... POT calling Kettle....

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php

SandieLove, you have your facts wrong, or you are outright lying.

Romney gave to plenty of other charities besides his church. Of the 15% of his income he gave to charities, only 7% went to his church, the other 8% went to other charities. Compared to the measly 1% the Obamas gave to charity, you have a lot of gall criticizing the Romneys. Not only did the Romneys give 14% MORE of their income to charities than the Obamas, in terms of real dollars in was many, many times what the stingy, heartless Obamas gave. Obama is only good at giving away OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, NOT HIS OWN! Hypocrite.

CEO: Wrong again per usual. Obama charitable donations in 2010 were 14%, 2009 were a whopping 31.4% crushing Romney meager 15% on the income he did report on the one tax form he has publicly submitted. Romney did give to other charities most of it funnelled through a foundation that he controls thus gaining a tax benefit but still able to dole out the money tax free.

May I suggest you read something other than websites like Red State. Broaden your horizons instead of repeating RWNJ propaganda and you will not look so foolish.

Bob in VA - again with the same lying whine. No one wants to take anyone's wealth. Just your same old garbage over and over again. Don't you ever get tired of posting lies?

To SeekingSanity;

You better quit while you are no match for Bob in Virginia. You are Seenking fast.

Bob and Concerned, I agree with SeekingSanity. We don't want to confiscate anything. We want equal opportunity and equal rights for everyone. Those are, after all, the principles on which the country is founded.

You and every liberal dimwit want to do nothing and be paid an income, health care, cheap housing, free education and bitch about someone that has built their own business and what their income is. Start telling the truth for once and maybe someone will listen to what you have to say.

To fielden who said.

Bob and Concerned, I agree with SeekingSanity. We don't want to confiscate anything. We want equal opportunity and equal rights for everyone. Those are, after all, the principles on which the country is founded.

That is correct you left one word out " pursued of happiness" You have to help yourself to it.

My 18 year old son told me this once. "the difference between an Independent and a Liberal is that the Liberal will give a fish to a hungry person while an Independent will give him a Fishing Rod.

Fielden, Everyone in America has the same opportunities and equal rights to do or be what ever they want. What is it that you feel you don't have the same opportunity or equal rights as everyone else? You have to go out and work for what you want and quit waiting for the government to give it to you. I believe the Governor of Maine said it best the other day when he told the people to "get off the couch and go get a job."

Poor Bob is afraid that people are going to steal back the money he first confiscated. lol

Bob in VA - just more of your bs piled higher and higher.

Poor ole VP Bob. What will he do after the election and his boy Willard get spanked by the President.

Hey observer....get your "FACTS" right.

The FACT is that there has been no NET job gain since Obama took office. We're still over one MILLION jobs behind what was lost and what has been gained since Obama was sworn in.

But don't let the FACTS get in the way of you ignorance.

Actually the number in 200,000. Under Bush 4.4 million jobs lost. Since then 4.2 million gained.

job1 You're either ignorant or lying. Prove your stats!

Funny thing about statistics, you can make them say anything you want them to say. Depending on a number of variables not the least of which is timing.

Cheryl is literally correct. But the number is quite meaningless unless you believe a magic job fairy descended upon the country on the day of Obama's inauguration.

If you start counting one year after inauguration dates when each president's policies were implemented then Obama has created twice as many jobs in two years more than Bush did over his policies 8 year period. Bush -1.3 million Obama +2.6 million

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/16/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-tweets-more-americans-have-lost-their-/

Like I said anyone can come up with statistics the trouble is deciphering whether they mean anything.

For you RP. Name calling does not make you right, it only makes you look angry and foolish. Why not find your own facts instead and present them.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
Mark Twain

Hogwash. Economic and historic hogwash. Uneducated, indoctrinated, ditto-hogwash. Your hog ate your homework.

Gee affinity, your well researched rebuttal to roc has convinced hundreds if not thousands of people. I mean, how can you argue with "intelligence" like yours?

Obviously the TRUTH of what goes on with the steel industy is completely false. We're obviously making all our own steel and China isn't making doing anything like roc said at all. They're of course just selling us those little toys in the Dollar Store and have no industries of their own whatsoever.

And that's why we have a trade DEFICIT with the Chinese in the billions of dollars, right? Because we aren't selling as much Dollar Store junk to them as they are to us?

True, true, true.

Nice copy and paste. Too bad that you don't give the credit to who actually wrote it.

Nice copy and paste. Too bad that you don't give the credit to who actually wrote it.

Then tell us then all knowing one - who actually wrote it?

Should only take a second or two for you to provide the link... darling! ;o)

Not my responsibility to hunt down who is being plagarized. Why don't you?

If you read what is posted by this individual, there is NEVER anything that speaks with any forethought or intelligence, unless it's pulled from somewhere else.

Just as a comparison, take a look at what you're talking about, and then look at his "rebuttal" about China importing steel to this nation.

Unless you're Feisty Redhead, you'll actually see that there is NO comparison between the writing styles.

Not my responsibility to hunt down who is being plagarized

Ahh - but aren't you a card carrying member of the party of personal responsibility?

Sorry sweet-cheeks - not how it works.

See, you accuse someone of plagiarism you better be able to prove it.

Otherwise, you are nothing more then another run of the mill, lying tea bagging, lazy ass!

Come on Cheryl, pull up your big girl panties and prove yourself for once!

If you read what is posted by this individual, there is NEVER anything that speaks with any forethought or intelligence, unless it's pulled from somewhere else

Having had to suffer through your blather, I would hardly say you are qualified to be talking about someone elses writing style! lmao!

Come on Cheryl, pull up your big girl panties and prove yourself for once!

Didn't think so - although, it comes as no surprise!

Wow! What political insight!

I'm sure that millions of Independent voters have been swayed by that comment and will NEVER pay attention to the fact that under Obama we are now paying over $4 for a gallon of gas, that prices for food and everyday needs have gone up, that we have record debt, record deficits, record regulations, and class warfare filth thrown at us every single day.

We were paying $4.00 a gallon for gas shortly before George W. Bush left office. Were you as bothered then?

That's the thing about you Republicans. You think the general population is stupid and you can say anything you want irrespective of the past or the truth. Case in Point.... Mitt Romney..."I take a lot of credit for General Motors becoming profitable again"...when the DORK told us all 3-1/2 years ago..."Let Detroit go Bankrupt"

General Motors would not exist today and be splintered into 15-20 different companies by now if not for Obama and Ford would be bankrupt also because the supplier chain would have been destroyed.

GB...when Bush left office, that average price for a gallon of gasoline was $1.81. When gas prices went up under Bush, he actually signed an executive order that allowed drilling off the coast and gas prices PLUMMETED.

That's the thing about you Democrats. You think that EVERYONE but you is stupid and you can say anything you want irrespective of the past or truth.

And as for......"let Detroit go bankrupt". You of course fail to mention that even AFTER the bailouts that both GM and Chrysler actually did have to go through a controlled bankruptcy. Something that Romney wanted to happen BEFORE we handed almost 60 Billion taxpayer dollars to the UAW. The same UAW, that was literally GIVEN 60% of GM ownership and the same UAW that gave themselves an average of $7000 in "bonuses" this past year from their "record profits", while still OWING the taxpayers of this nation almost 30 BILLLION dollars.

No one thinks everyone is stupid except for the people who tell you lies once every 2 days and hope to God the you forget what happened in 2008! The truth is out there if you care to see it. Some just don't care to see it because it does not line up with your brand of facts...

CherylLM

You of course fail to mention that even AFTER the bailouts that both GM and Chrysler actually did have to go through a controlled bankruptcy.

You Horses rear end.

If the US government and Obama had not loaned GM and Chrysler the money they needed which US banks like JP Morgan Chase and Citi would not. THERE WOULD BE NO GM AND CHRYSLER and anything left of them would most likely be owned by the Japanse, Koreans, and other foreign entities.

The bankrupsy you say happened would have been a banckrupsy death blow. And Ford would have been close behind as they would have had to start paying triple or quaduple for common auto parts sold to all of the big 3 makers.

Get a brain and start telling the truth !!!

Correction:

Mitt Romney is a silver spooned, elitist, out of touch with reality DORK and the biggest liar!

Romney is a successful American, who actually WORKED for what he has. And he doesn't feel the need to punish other Americans who are willing to WORK and keep what they have EARNED.

As opposed to the "genius" in the White House now, who thinks that successful people should be punished and those not as successful should be rewarded.

We've worked for ALL that we have. You, nor anyone else is "entitled" to what we have unless WE decide to give it, although we'll NEVER be greedy, uncaring, jerks like Joe Biden and give almost literally NOTHING to those in need (and who at the same time preaches how disgusting it is to actually be against the government legally STEALING what you've earned and giving it to others for nothing more than VOTES).

While I envy what Romney has, I don't feel the need to punish him for his success.

"I'll cut our deficit in half by the end of my first term"....ooops a LIE as Obama actually DOUBLED our deficit, for four straight years now.

"I'll close Gitmo in my first year"....ooooops a LIE as Obama has done NOTHING after signing his useless "executive order".

"Romney put those people at that steel company out of work"....oooopos a LIE as the company did not fold until TWO years after Romney left Bain.

"I've done more for Israel's security than any President ever".....oooops a LIE as he is the FIRST President ever to demand that Israel go back to their indefensible 1967 borders.

Tell us all about "lying".

@GB Then what would you have called the Kennedy's?

@ Huey. Now that is funny...... I just don't see why Lib's denigrate Romney for his wealth and fail to see there are some pretty wealthy Dem's who didn't always earn it by old fashioned honest hard work ..... Silver spoons

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/716/what-is-the-true-source-of-the-kennedy-familys-wealth

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/08/the-kennedy-fortune-how-much-is-it-worth-and-who-gets-what-now-that-teddy-is-gone.html

ksw,

The left can't run on Obama's accomplishments so all they talk trash about is Romney's wealth, and play the race card. They also have thrown out a couple of deflections with the so called "war on women" and the "gay marriage" issues. I'm looking for another deflection to be thrown out in a week or two. Obama's foreign policy is a disaster (the left claims he ended the Iraqi war, which is not true). They include giving the order, which was so easy anyone would have given it, to kill OBL as a foreign policy accomplishment.

Where's obamas grades?

Yes, dimwits own the flip-flop scales hands down!

Yep, but he sure doesn't GIVE from the heart, does he? Don't think so? Check his income taxes and what he GAVE to charity. Almost NOTHING.

Instead he wants YOU to be the ones giving, that is if it will buy HIM and Obama some votes.

Are you talking about john kerry, vietnam traitor?

No, they are attacking Romney for dismantling companies, stealing workers' pensions and getting the Federal Government to pay for it.

That's a lie tmac. Romney started with failing companies, and led 70% back to success! There were some companies in which jobs were lost, but the jobs created by all the others number in the hundreds of thousands ... hundreds of thousands of US workers.

Obama lied when he said “I will close Gitmo within one year!”

Obama lies; Obama supporters lie. Not coincidence.

Sales are still below pre obama recession figures

@ Sandie What is your response teo the Dem's getting political contributions from Bain? Interesting that Dem's want to bash Mitt for working there but they sure don't mind taking their money.... LOL

http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php

Wow only 7 million to charity. The heartless Ba$tard!

Had to go look at just what the Mormon's had to say about Charity.

Over a billion dollars in aid since 1985.

But that's not what this thread is about so back on topic.

Obama is the liar, he lies about Mitt Romney's record because his Administration has been a failure and he has nothing else.

The 1% was the 2010 tax year. He paid more this year to avoid the criticism.

They don't care about those facts, they're LIBS.

What doesnt work? Pumping hundresd of millions of dollar into U.S Industry and providing a job so a man can feed his family?

What works for you the cradle to grave Nanny state at at the expense of the successful espoused by the Socialist in Chief?

DO

Obama has never had to work either. Name one of his jobs, that wasn't a govt job.

Romney and ? are the best the Republicans have. A sadder state of affairs.

ANYTHING is better than a community organizer that got his start race-baiting. Would you buy a used car from him or Biden? Oh, foolish question. You already did. The only place America wants to see Obama's face after november is on a milk carton.

Besides.... Bidens wife probably drives (3) cadillacs !!

ROFLMFAO