There was no need to apologize Mr Vice President. You did well. You allowed our compassionate President to speak his heartfelt desire.

There was no need to apoligize Mr Vice President. You did well

You took the words out of my mouth Bev!

Biden's performance is Oscar worthy! lol

Well said Bev !!

Obama/Biden 2012

^^^From the crowd that pitches a tent in their pants every time Obama stutters a single word.

don't take this the wrong way because usually my comments are not cynical but don't you win an Oscar for acting?

Well, there goes my conspiracy theory ...

... or maybe not.

don't take this the wrong way because usually my comments are not cynical but don't you win an Oscar for acting

Exactly...

so are you saying that Joe was acting

I'm am not trying to troll or get a rise out of anyone, don't want anyone thinking that of me but I truly wonder if Biden was frustrated at Obama's "evolving"...

It has to really eat at him knowing that someone pretty much forced him to say that he was sorry....to me and this is just an observation as a regular joe that the two are not on the same page...I have no doubt that Biden is speaking from his heart but to speak from your heart and have to apologize for it just because Obama is still evolving on the issue.... that is not right, if anything Obama should have said that he wanted to personally thank his VP for having the courage to make a statement that apparently Obama didn't have...due to his evolving...just find it interesting that a President from a Party that prides them selves on compassion has to evolve on this matter

Romney is called a flip flop but when Obama changes his mind it is called evolving...wtf?

I guess you have Attention Deficit Disorder. It took the President 4 years to realize this and change his view. Mitt, on the other hand, doesn't even make it to the end of a sentence and he's changing his tune.

Joe, we like you because you're Joe. You speak your mind. You're honest. You can be sorry for the distraction, but you had no need to apologize for speaking your mind.

Romney is called a flip flop but when Obama changes his mind it is called evolving...wtf?

Obama explained why he evolved to this position and it made sense. And the public in general is evolving on this subject, so why not the President? Mitt, on the other hand, just claims that he always went some way or the other even when video says otherwise.

Don't be sorry for telling the truth Joe Biden.

Sounds like the Obama camp is working hard for that voting demographic. Because really what else do they have to offer? They sure offered a lot in 2008, and we all saw how that panned out.

just how does one evolve on an issue like thie

08' - against gay marriage

09' - kinda against gay marriage

10' thru 11' - almost there with liking gay marriage

12' - what..another state voted against gay marriage, polls show that we are almost neck and neck.....I am for gay marriage..

I know that seems a bit comical but there if you read between the lines that is pretty much how it goes....and it does not matter the gap between policy change because a flip flop is just that..a flip flop but either way both guys change their mind just call it for what it is

VH

MSNBC just told you. Democrats don't flip flop they evolve. Try to keep to the script please. BTW our two "choices" in this election are quite similar don't you think?

That link is a joke Bev. Number 1 on the list is sickening to begin with... as I went down the list most everything was horrible!

Only one I liked:

9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”.

And Romney sure as hell ain't going to be any better!

I think Biden was saying sorry to Obama for making him take a political stand on something...When asked before if he supported Gay marriage his reply was merely "Present".

I am still at a loss to figure out what Biden is apologizing for. Anyone have a theory?

Bev didn't you ever learn government breeds inefficiency?

Just look at the Post Office...

Beverly - #34..really appreciated that one...because of that come Sept 1 i am out of a job with still 5 years left on an enlistment which would have put me 2 years shy of 20 years (nice to know a legally signed contract can be broken)....13 years of sacrifice that i will never regret but to cut the legs out of the enlisted that make YOU look good..couldn't go after BS programs that we don't need..how about you and the rest of DC take a paycut.......there are a few other items there but I try to keep my dignity in my responses

96 - not a script follower..that would be Biden..sorry..the Oscar wining actor Biden......

and as for the two guys running this year.......I'll get back to you when i figure it out...I AM EVOLVING ON THE MATTER

Barf..........

Biden apologized because he actually forced Obama to take a position on an issue. He also apologized because he realizes that this has likely hurt their reelection chances. This is possibly going to cost Obama significant votes from the evangelical black community and also a fair number of latino votes as many latinos are very strict catholics. Both of these communities have been heavy Obama supporters, so this is going to cost them dearly. Those who support gay marriage were pretty much all voting for Obama already (or at least not voting for Romney), so this is not likely to gain him many votes other than by possibly improving turn out a little. I am sure that Obama is steaming mad at Biden for this major political screw-up. Obama wanted to wait until after the election to take a position so as not to lose votes.

Feisty Redhead-

You took the words out of my mouth Bev!

Biden's performance is Oscar worthy! lol

Why does everything have to be an act with this administration? Always smoke and mirrors! Just be real, but as Feisty said this was a performance to the people of the United States...

Next to the 3/4 year old latched to her breast, this made me smile the best. I think this may well have been the eye opener for middle America (not including the gang of Umpteen on here) This has been a wild few days, nice to read your ummmmmm input! (non pun intended)

jolly there has been some interesting and like you said "eye opening" articles this week

I don't think obama changed his mind one bit, he just didn't have the nuts to say it before.

watt75 "talking about jobs, gas, debt.....budget." Well, Bill Clinton left all that working pretty good, even a big surplus. You Repugnicans, wasted it all in wars, tax breaks for the rich and increasing the military budget, while outsourcing our economy to India and China and you even voted twice for that idiot of GW Bush, but now you expect Obama to fix it all for you, while you sabotage his every decision in Congress.

Obama/Biden: These two buffoons don't know what the fugg they want ..... Nether one of these idiots can make a a decision and two of the most incompetent people ever to be in the 'White House'.

Dumb and dumber ...... or better yet; dumber and dumbest .....!

Obama was smart. He Knew all things came in time and they do. He told the people that it would take time from the beginning. Everything takes time when you have to fight the republicans every step of the way on each and every issue and especially since they were converted into the american Taliban party.

Sick of this "Apology" stuff.

When a person says something, there is no need to retrack a statement, i.e, VP Biden or anyone else.

Mean what you say, and say what you mean.

It may be that Pres. Obama did not want to commit this soon re: approval of Gay Marriage before the Election, Biden forcing his "hand".

That's just politics, and real life. The Election is going to be complicated, but Obama will win with a Landslide vote.

Hopefully VP Biden, and the Pres. are on the same page. Many Pres's do not agree with their VP---not unusual at all.

Hey Tony

It took the President 4 years to realize this and change his view

Obama record on gay marriage:

1996 - for

2008 - against

2012 - for

And so it takes Obama 12 and then four and what is next in this progression? 2013 1/2. The first three election years. The last, either out or comfortable in knowing he can say what is really on his mind with not consequences. Either opinion, the game is over. Whether he stays or goes.

And Biden apologized because he knows his job may be in jeopardy. Nothing else. He grandstanded his "boss". With the many stupid things he said in the last 3 plus, his days may be numbered.

Watt75 hit the nail on the head. Guess what, if I was the President and someone asked what I thought about it, I'd tell them " Not on my watch". It's like this, when you don't stand tall and tell the truth on what you are asked, pretty soon everyone loose's respect for you. These are conflicting issue's, and you may as well tell the truth on what you believe. You can't make everyone happy. I was'nt schooled to try to collect all the votes I can get. You ask me a question, you better want an honest opinion. Same sex marriage, Naw, LET ME ME CLEAR, I DO NOT SUPPORT IT.

V.P. Biden took the opportunity when he was asked. Just like Arne Duncan, U.S. Secretary Duncan. You can tell that V.P. Biden didn't mean to go that far when he started to stutter when asked if that would be a second term policy.

The President had planned to make the statement later on, but before the election. He was forced a little to move up the date he was going to state his evolved feelings and belief.

Please don't downsize the courage it took state it now.

We the People....ALL of We the People deserve to have our rights and liberties equal.

All three of these men did a wonderful thing....they stated the truth as they feel it.

Let's not belittle it and give them the credit they deserve.

Imagine that, Joe Biden Stick his foot in his mouth again. No surprise there, he does it everytime he opens his mouth.

When Obama was running for state office in Il. he said he supported gay marriage. When Obama was running for the presidency he said he believed marriage "should be between one man and one woman." Now he says his thinking has "evolved" and he supports gay marriage. Evolved my a$$. What happened in 2008? Did his thinking "devolve"? This simply proves Obama is willing to say anything, be it a lie or not, to get elected. I thought Obama and his supporters claimed he was a "new, different, better" politician that is so brilliant he would never have to stoop to this type of behavior. What a joke.

Yes you get an oscar for acting, but it is for doing your acting better then everyone else. If we equate this to Mr. Biden and Mr. Obama, then you would be saying they are doing their jobs better then everyone else.

watt75

Romney is called a flip flop but when Obama changes his mind it is called evolving...wtf?

Well let me just explain 'what the @!$%#' to you, watt; Romney is called a flip flop because he FLIIIIP FLOOOOPS on nearly every single position he's EVER EVER EVER held; gay marriage, abortion, contraception, taxation, healthcare, you name it, he's flipped it. Obama certainly didn't change his mind the way Romney does - which is more frequently than he changes his socks. Obama's position prior to this was that he was uncertain, or on the fence, which is quite a different thing than being decided - and then re-decided as Mitt is known to do, sometimes within the very same interview.

Even if Obama is guilty of completely reversing this position, then it's a good one because so has America when it comes to gay rights.

What I always find amazing is how you on the Right think you're always right, especially when it comes to denying others their rights.

You want to drop a wtf bomb, Watt? Then drop it on your horse's ass of a candidate, the undisputed re-decider himself, Mitt Romney.

What Obama said was that it would take time to legislate complete equality for the glbt community. He supported them and believed they should have equal rights and protections just like everyone else but that his first goal would be to repeal dadt. He supported civil unions and he has the right and especially after spending much time conferring with persons from every occupation and walk of life, to decide that he is simply in favor of them having and enjoying the same exact rights as everyone else. Marriage is a legal institution between two people and the state period. The church and its cult members would like to think that it is them that decides the laws of marriage but ya know, I don't remember ever asking their permission to do a damn thing at any point in my life and I won't start now or later.

the laws were decided a long time ago by the U.S. Government as well as the Church.

whether you like it or not. if they were not we wouldn't be having this discussion.

you would be on a honeymoon somewhere with Bob your partner.

"The President has been the leader on this issue from day one and the Vice President never intended to distract from that,"

Then why the apology?

The reality is that Biden put Obama onto a corner and forced him to support Gay marriage. That's the REAL reason he 'apologized'.

what you people don't understand is that you and everybody else are not any closer to gay marriage than you were 3-1/2 years ago.

obama is throwing you bait and you are taking it hook, line and sinker.

in 4 years you will be having the same discussion with a new group of presidential hopefuls.

obama is selling you out just as he has sold everybody else out for votes.

Beverly in Chicago "Obama's Top 50 Accomplishments"


Number 1 should be 'Pulled the wool over the people eyes'.

VH Navy -- just how does one evolve on an issue like thie

jesus h nipply christ. are people really this clueless?

the whole nation, the whole WORLD, has been evolving on this issue over the last several years. more and more countries are legalizing it, changing their minds from before. as are more and more states. 10 years ago, almost 70% of Americans opposed gay marriage. today, closer to 54% support it.

people evolve all the time. maybe not most of the neanderthal, knuckle-dragging right-wingers, but a lot of other folks do.

cheers!

Well, Roy, it's a huge improvement over your own #1 accomplishment: learning to wipe yourself without a map, a flashlight and a personal assistant.

NOT Born Gay: Homosexuality Caused by Emotional Trauma:
"Like many who struggle with same-sex attractions, the early years of my life were filled with pain and confusion. When I was 8 years old my parents divorced. This single event was the turning point. For the next 12 years my life would be marked by rejection, estrangement, isolation, abuse, insecurity, and fear....What I did not realize for the first half of my life was that my struggle with same-sex attraction WAS BORN OUT OF A LEGITIMATE HUNGER FOR LOVE, AFFIRMATION, IDENTITY, AND SECURITY."
D. Berryessa, ex-gay.

Gay Suicides INCREASE in Gay-Friendly Nations:

Being supportive of the basic civil rights of gays and lesbians does not require a belief in the false notion that people are born gay. They are not. Homosexuality is caused by emotional trauma - from childhood neglect, abuse, or any number of traumatic causes.

If we love someone, we want to see them healed (from the emotional trauma connected to the homosexual feelings), not see them get married.

In the Netherlands where gay marriage has been accepted for quite awhile now, has seen no decrease in gay suicide - in fact, some studies show an increase.
If you do not promote emotional healing and resolution and instead choose to ignore it for your own selfish reasons, their blood is on your hands.

Homosexuality Caused By Emotional Trauma as Early as 4 Years Old:
Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA 2009): "One half of the victims...often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences...The age at the time of the molestation ranged from 4 to 16 with a mean age of 10."

"In homosexual men ther appears to be a disconnect between them and their fathers as well as an overconnect with them and their mothers...there is the perception of the father being distant, uninvolved..."

Homosexuality Linked to Emotional Trauma Says Medical Studies - a SEVENFOLD Increase:
W.C. Holmes, MD said: "Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual..."

Homosexuality NOT Fixed in All Individuals:
"Being supportive of the basic civil rights of self-identified gays and lesbians does not require a belief in the false notion that homosexuality is invariably fixed in all people. It is not. Patient self-determination, the cornerstone of all mental health professionals, must rise above the political debate."
"Like most psychiatrists I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted, but sexual orientation could not be changed. I now believe that's untrue - some people can and do change."
(Archives of Sexual Behavior 2003: 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation)

DMorgan -

first off take a deep breath and relax... apparently you missed my tongue and cheek take on the whole thing......

my take on my initial comment was that for once person to change his mind it is considered a flip flop, but for another to do it the word is evolve....

look believe it or not I have held on to the belief that everyone should do what ever they want including gay marriage...and i am a pretty conservative guy..I did not need to sit there and hee and haww on what is the right thing to do as appose to sit there on the fence...and come out when it is either convenient or some other guy got the jump on you....

and to be fair both sides have their quote un quote...neanderthal, knuckle-draggers

and a cheers right back to my friend

HA HA ROFL.... These two are at it for "who said it first"?! They can fight over it all they want, but FINALLY Americans have some sort of finger on the pulse of this administration....it's all over Mr. Big $pender (epic fail) President.

who is this BIDEN dude? ..... oh the puppet

Alan-3015148who is this BIDEN dude? ..... oh the puppet

He is the Vice President which forwards the interests of the President. If you call that a puppet, then whatever, it's his job to forward the interests of the President and his administration. Not to go off on some tangent.

oh no, no, no. Liberals aren't allowed to accept apologies. They don't mean anything according to the rules that all the nut job libs have thrown down on the vine.

Thanks Mr VP, you forced the waffling s.o.b. to cut the coy crap and state his position on the issue....as he should have done years ago!

Had nothing to do with forcing anyone, or any other conspiracy theory. This is simply a professional way of apologizing. Very professional and humble. Yet another reason to vote for Obama/Biden 2012! :D

thanks brenda for clarifying that he is the presidents puppet!!!!!!

Alan-3015148 thanks brenda for clarifying that he is the presidents puppet!!!!!!

Name one VP that isn't! Wake up, thats the job description. If you can't deal with that then this isn't the place for you. Try Foxnews, they like to live in wonderland.

Name one VP that isn't!

I would have to say Dick Cheney who lead Bush around by the nose.

Vice President Joe Biden apologized to President Barack Obama for saying he supported same-sex marriage last Sunday on Meet the Press, according to the Vice President's office.

Vice President Biden - "Mr. President, I'm sorry that my attempt to float your idea to support gay marriage was an unmitigated disaster."

President Obama - "That's OK Joe. I got $15 million from the clueless Hollywood elites that believed I said something entirely different than what I said."

Biden keeping Hilary from getting VP next election: now Owebama is stuck with him.

30 states have constitutional amendments that define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Wherever it has gone to a vote of the people, same sex marriage has failed. The 6 states that recognize same sex marriage had that recognition assembled by either court decree or legislative action that never asked for a vote of the citizenry.

@Rick's Real:

"Even if Obama is guilty of completely reversing this position, then it's a good one because so has America when it comes to gay rights"

Now that is a political fib if I EVER heard one!

He was evolving? BS. He always believed in same sex marriage and was a political and moral coward until his Vice President forced him into admitting the truth. If hundreds of thousands people can take him at face value, without questioning it for a second, when he says he was evolving, then it is equally credible that the truth is he was just another politician who wouldn't dare admit his real feelings on the subject until someone forced him to.

And if he loses the election because of this admission, I believe that will be the nation's moral failure and further evidence that the country isn't worth governing.

We should embrace absolute honesty from our politicians, Presidents, etc, but if they turned off the patter and spoke off the cuff, "from the heart", they would never find enough FBI to protect any of them. Why would any true agent of change want to preside over a nation of overwrought 10 year olds with gun permits and a growing aversion to rational thought? Instead, we get a procession of suits and change happens inadvertently when they are backed into a corner. What a wonderful country.

Alan-3015148

who is this BIDEN dude? ..... oh the puppet

It appears it is Mitt Romney who has a much greater propensity for becoming entangled in his puppetmaster's strings; his own delusional dream that someday he will become the President of the United States of America. Trees are just the right height in Michigan. For what? Hanging people Mitt?

Anti-Gay Marriage Ban is NOT About Hate - Its About Getting People the Help They Need
How many more gay teenagers have to commit suicide before the gay community realizes suicides are primarily from inner trauma, in this case probably emotional trauma in early childhood, not primarily from external forces such as bullying - and for which people need support, resolution, and help. Unfortunately, they aren't getting that needed help in the gay community. So who is to blame?

"Born Gay" Concept is UNSCIENTIFIC
Gay activist and scientist Simon LeVay said: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."
"Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality".

Lesbians Say 'Born Gay' Concept is UNSCIENTIFIC:
Lesbian activist Camille Paglia said: "Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm...Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction...No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous..."

Lesbian activist and biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling, referring to the "born gay" argument, said: "It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sway in court. For me, it's a very shaky place. It's bad science and bad politics."

Really, it doesn't matter if they were born that way or not. The point is moot. It's the life style they chose for themselves and they have every right to live their lives in whatever mannerisms that make them happy. It doesn't take a tax payer paid scientists to figure that one out.

...AND I won't pay 'taxpayer' paid money to give them tax credits, health care and free housing...along with all the other perks Obama is trying to buy them with.

Cut the charade Obama / Biden 2012.

Obama's actions over his one term have told us he was always against marriage defined as the union of one man and one union. He was against the will of the NC citizens (61% to 39%) to have a state constitution amendment defining marriage. He's against the will of the 30+ states who have amended their constitutions in a similar manner (100% of the states that have been able to get a vote on this amendment have selected union of one man and one woman. That's a supermajority.) No defence of DOMA. Repeal of DADT. Stymying military chaplains freedom/right to express their views.

Evolving my a$$! If there is one thing transparent in his administration, it was his views on this. His relatively clear verbal acknowledgement after appearing to dither for 3 1/2 years was no surprize. After all he was getting a lot of pressure that he was going to lose a significant block of donors if he didn't make a commitment.

But to continue this charade and pretend it was another Biden gaffe that forced him to come out is laughable. And his announcement in front of this creme puff reporter rather than at a press conference...needed to ensure no unanticipated questions for him ... ah ... to ... ah ... try ... ah ... to ... ah ... answer.

Most presidential candidates are starting to lean to the center about now. Wow! Has he ever blown that!

Bill

Most decent Americans believe all citizens have a basic right to live their lives as they see fit, in pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.

It's the neanderthals that force people not to express this clearly in fear of stirring up more hate from the emotionally handicapped right.

Joe Blabbermouth Biden of the Delaware Blabbermouths should simply forward an apology email to the president each week. I think he can set that up on his computer to auto-send.

True LGBT-4192908

"Anti-Gay Marriage Ban is NOT About Hate - Its About Getting People the Help They Need...

How many more gay teenagers have to commit suicide before the gay community realizes suicides ...

So who is to blame?"

People with closed minds, such as yourself, who have views on LGBT that are based on uninformed opinion, rather than fact and make moronic posts in public forums (and probably in person to person interactions as well) are EXACTLY who are to blame for society treating these people as outcasts, which makes them ripe targets for bullying.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

In case anyone wonders what this is, it's the Bill of Rights that was the very idea on which our Constitution was framed. It does not have any exceptions of those that go against the wishes of the church nor does it say except for certain people disliked by the majority. It says that all men are created equal. Now we have those that feel their life style is threatened by people that are different than they and want to do everything in their power to stop it but let me ask you a question. If homosexuality is so against God and the Bible, why do Catholic priest practice it? Better yet, why do they condemn it when they practice it?

"The President has been the leader on this issue from day one..."

Yes, "leading" but saying marriage was "between a man and woman".... until his VP says he is for gay marriage, then he does a 180 and reverses his position to fall in line with Biden and maintain the infamous wall of stupidity that Democrats are famous for.

The president has been a panderer/propagandist on all isues from day one.

I don't think Biden's "gaff" was a gaff at all. I think it was carefully planned to give the president a reason to make his "surprise" announcement. The timing is suspicious on the eve of his large fundraising trip to Hollywood (where he talked about gay marriage and incidentally netted $15 million from his Hollywood worshipers in a single stop.) The gay community has been openly critical of Obama's lack of support for their agenda to the point where it was affecting fundraising. I guess he decided that it was worth the gamble trading Hollywood money for black votes.

I don't think Biden owed the president an apology, the president has wasted 3 1/2 years "reaching across the aisle" and getting nowhere fast. It was a subject that needed to be put on the table so Biden did it and I'm sure a lot of couples appreciate that fact.

He should step down.

True LGBT-4192908

"Born Gay" Concept is UNSCIENTIFIC
Gay activist and scientist Simon LeVay said: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."
"Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality".

The only thing I want to point out as being "scientific" is that it is true that you need either an XX chromosome to turn out female or XY to become a male. Now sometimes you can end up with getting a 3rd chromosome attached to it for example looking like this XXY. Not saying there's a direct cause of something as significant as that relates to people being "born" homosexual. I am only pointing out an observation as DNA does have an impact on individual actions in differing situations. Science is only as smart as the generation studying it, therefore the science of tomorrow can and will change how people observe the things around them.

I always knew Obummer was a fool, a fake and a fraud, but coming out at the last minute in favor of gay "marriages" highlights the need to get rid of this con artist. With the negro population 80%+ against gay marriage and Obummer knowing he has the black vote in his pocket, he is going to say and do anything that will get him some more votes.

This is all a set up. Yeah right, Biden apologized to Obama. It was all planned. Funny how the day after Obama makes his announcement that a story comes out of a supposed bullying incident about Romney. The alleged victim's family has said the story is not true.

Open your eyes people.

At least this was not an apology to yet another foreign country...that's an improvement!

@Allison:

Yours is a very childish and stupid statement. And it comes across as being silly. How can someone, "reach across the aisle" and still be blamed because those across the aisle will not reciprocate?

@Kenn the Dem:

Please indicate where and when Pres Obama ever apologized for America. Please supply the link so that I may examine the statement for myself. Thank you.

@dictionary72:

First of all; Pres Obama's opinion does not serve to make a new law, so you're upset about nothing. You have opinions don't you? Secondly; Romney says he saved the auto industry, but you are still obviously willing to vote for him and he is a lying demon. He has been caught in so many lies that the nation is sick of his sh!t! That leaves only Pres Obama's race for you to be upset with.

@Jo Ann:

Romney never denied that he did it. His classmates who were there said he did it and when asked about it, he laughed. His own handlers say that the story has been there all along and they advised Romney to get on top of it but he didn't. How is any of his problems the fault of the Democrats? The ReSuckicans and the blame game!

NOTE: You ALL just come here to lie about the President and the White House and when the lies don't fit; you twist them and pound on them like Silly Putty to try to manufacture a different outcome, you do this because you are silly people!

@JCBreeze: I only spent a couple of minutes on this but here are a couple of examples...believe me there are many more...google this subject for yourself!

President Barack Obama has written a letter to his Afghan counterpart apologizing for the burning of copies of the Quran at a NATO military base in the country.

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/23/10485148-obama-apologizes-to-afghanistan-over-quran-burnings-2-us-troops-shot-dead?lite

President Barack Obama has offered an apology for the Bush era, declaring that America had “shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive” towards its allies.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5100338/Barack-Obama-arrogant-US-has-been-dismissive-to-allies.html

So just who is lying about what?

Maybe Mr. Biden is the un-named, un-disclosed, anonymous, Senior White House official we see so much in press releases which are NOT SUPPOSED to be released.

Heya, Mr. Biden, "Loose lips sinks ships" and in this case "Loose lips IS sinking Mr. Obama's re-election bid". Good for you.......GO FOR IT !!!

@JCBreeze: Here is a more complete list of apologies...I could have found them myself but it was faster to go to an enemy website...and frankly ours don't seem to keep track of these things! As an old Blue Dog Dem this humble pie stuff just doesn't sit well with me!

Remember Obama bowing to the
Japanese in his now renown international apology tour? His first breach of
protocol occurred in April ,2009 when Obama bowed to King Abdullah of Saudi
Arabia. Then on November 16, 2009, we were aghast to learn and see a photo of
Barack Obama bowing a second time, this time to Japan’s emperor. Reports
said that first President Obama first shook the hand of Emperor Akihito and
then he gave a “deep” bow. To the world, our president’s bowing was perceived
as the USA being submissive to the Japanese.

Today, an article reveals that prior to that submissive posture that Obama took for the USA, Obama’s State Department under the direction of Hillary Clinton, sent the Japanese a letter saying that Obama wanted to apologize in person for the USA’s World War II actions when we dropped an atom bomb on Japan!

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/obama-apologizes-to-japan-for-the-atomic-bomb/

Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies:
How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/06/barack-obamas-top-10-apologies-how-the-president-has-humiliated-a-superpower

1 Apology to France and Europe
("America Has Shown Arrogance")

Speech by
President Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, France, April 3, 2009.[1]

So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

2. Apology to the Muslim World
("We Have Not Been Perfect")

President Obama, interview with Al Arabiya, January 27, 2009.[2]

My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that.

3. Apology to the Summit of the
Americas ("At Times We Sought to Dictate Our Terms")

President Obama, address to the Summit of the Americas opening ceremony, Hyatt Regency, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, April 17, 2009.[3]

All of us must now renew the common stake that we have in one another. I know that promises of partnership have gone unfulfilled in the past, and that trust has to be earned over time. While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms. But I pledge to you that we seek an equal partnership. There is no senior partner and junior partner in our relations; there is simply engagement based on mutual respect and common interests and shared values. So I'm here to launch a new chapter of engagement that will be sustained throughout my administration.

The United States will be willing to acknowledge past errors where those errors have been made.

4. Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders ("Some Restoration of America's Standing in the World")

News conference by President Obama, ExCel Center, London, United Kingdom, April 2, 2009.[4]

I would like to think that with my election and the early decisions that we've made, that you're starting to see some restoration of America's standing in the world. And although, as you know, I always mistrust polls, international polls seem to indicate that you're seeing people more hopeful about America's leadership.

I just think in a world that is as complex as it is, that it is very important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions. Just to try to crystallize the example, there's been a lot of comparison here about Bretton
Woods. "Oh, well, last time you saw the entire international architecture
being remade." Well, if there's just Roosevelt and Churchill sitting in a
room with a brandy, that's an easier negotiation. But that's not the world we
live in, and it shouldn't be the world that we live in.

5. Apology for the War on Terror ("We Went off Course")

President Obama, speech at the National Archives, Washington, D.C., May 21, 2009.[5]

Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight; that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions. Instead of strategically applying our power and our principles, too often we set those principles aside as luxuries that we could no longer afford. And during this season of fear, too many of us--Democrats and Republicans,
politicians, journalists, and citizens--fell silent.

In other words, we went off course. And this is not my assessment alone. It was an assessment that was shared by the American people who nominated candidates for President from both major parties who, despite our many differences, called for a new approach--one that rejected torture and one that recognized the imperative of closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay.

6. Apology for Guantanamo in France ("Sacrificing Your Values")

Speech by President Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, France, April 3, 2009.[6]

Our two republics were founded in service of these ideals. In America, it is written into our founding documents as "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." In France: "Liberté"--absolutely--"egalité, fraternité." Our moral authority is derived from the fact that generations of our citizens have fought and bled to uphold these values in our nations and others. And that's why we can never sacrifice them for expedience's sake. That's why I've ordered the closing of the detention center in Guantanamo Bay. That's why I can stand here today and say without equivocation or exception that the United States of America does not and will not torture.

In dealing with terrorism, we can't lose sight of our values and who we are. That's why I closed Guantanamo. That's why I made very clear that we will not engage in certain interrogation practices. I don't believe that there is a contradiction between our security and our values. And when you start sacrificing your values, when you lose yourself, then over the long term that will make you less secure.

7. Apology before the Turkish Parliament ("Our Own Darker Periods in Our History")

Speech by President Obama to the Turkish Parliament, Ankara, Turkey, April 6, 2009.[7]

Every challenge that we face is more easily met if we tend to our own democratic foundation. This work is never over. That's why, in the United States, we recently ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed. That's why we prohibited--without exception or equivocation--the use of torture. All of us have to change. And sometimes change is hard.

Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to the future is how we deal with the past. The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution. Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans.

Human endeavor is by its nature imperfect. History is often tragic, but unresolved, it can be a heavy weight. Each country must work through its past. And reckoning with the past can help us seize a better future.

8. Apology for U.S. Policy toward the Americas ("The United States Has Not Pursued and Sustained Engagement with Our Neighbors")

Opinion editorial by President Obama: "Choosing a Better Future in the Americas," April 16, 2009.[8]

Too often, the United States has not pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors. We have been too easily distracted by other priorities, and have failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas. My Administration is committed to the promise of a new day. We will renew and sustain a broader partnership between the United States and the hemisphere on behalf of our common prosperity and our common security.

9. Apology for the Mistakes of the CIA ("Potentially We've Made Some Mistakes")

Remarks by the President to CIA employees, CIA Headquarters, Langley, Virginia, April 20, 2009.[9] The remarks followed the controversial decision to release Office of Legal Counsel memoranda detailing CIA enhanced interrogation techniques used against terrorist suspects.

So don't be discouraged by what's happened in the last few weeks. Don't be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we've made some mistakes. That's how we learn. But the fact that we are willing to acknowledge them and then move forward, that is precisely why I am proud to be President of the United States, and that's why you should be proud to be members of the CIA.

10. Apology for Guantanamo in
Washington ("A Rallying Cry for Our Enemies")

President Obama, speech at the National Archives, Washington, D.C., May 21, 2009.[10]

There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that is America's strongest currency in the world. Instead of building a durable framework for the struggle against al Qaeda that drew upon our deeply held values and traditions, our government was defending positions that undermined the rule of law. In fact, part of the rationale for establishing Guantanamo in the first place was the misplaced notion that a prison there would be beyond the law--a proposition that the Supreme Court soundly rejected. Meanwhile, instead of serving as a tool to counter terrorism, Guantanamo became a symbol that helped al Qaeda recruit terrorists to its cause. Indeed, the existence of Guantanamo likely created more terrorists around the world than it ever detained.

So the record is clear: Rather than keeping us safer, the prison at Guantanamo has weakened American

I stand corrected on the apology issue, however, I personally find no harm in an apology. At times, an apology can avert circumstances that might lead to battle. Good job with your research. In certain arenas it is called tact or diplomacy.

If America ever has to face an enemy alone, perhaps then we will understand the value of an apology. This nations John Wayne attitude will not last through the shifting sands of the world of the future.

@Kenn the Dem:

I also found this which seems to indicate that we both relied on our sources and neither was accurate;

"Facts Puncture The Myth That Obama "Apologies" Have Ruined U.S. Standing

February 28, 2012 2:44 pm ET by Solange Uwimana

Right-wing media are trying to breathe new life into the never-dormant right-wing mantra that President Obama is the "apologist in chief" in order to argue that Obama has "diminished" America's standing in the world -- an argument that is contradicted by America's actual standing in the world.

After Obama apologized to Afghanistan for the actions of U.S. military personnel posted there, conservative media figures lambasted him for "constantly bending over backwards" and "showing weakness ... in Afghanistan and elsewhere around the globe." Fox News' Sean Hannity, one of the greatest purveyors of the "apology tour" myth, has even claimed that this is proof of just how much Obama has damaged America's standing in the world.

But all of this -- from Obama "constantly" apologizing for America to his hurting U.S. image abroad -- is a lot of nonsense."

Some Americans chose to believe that an apology makes one a weaker person. It takes a heart with a wide stance to humble oneself and ask forgiveness but that should not be confused with; "I will kick yo punk ass if that time should come!" It is a mistake to conclude that humility and weakness are twins in character; they are NOT!

Yeah. Mitt is leading by so many points... Obama needs to pander... Mitt doesnt need to pander, as his policies are proven very great. Who needs voters?

Mitt is leading by so many points... Obama needs to pander... Mitt doesnt need to pander, as his policies are proven very great. Who needs voters?

Grinder - You gotta be kidding!!! LMAO

Bottom ... notch? They're call sphincters.

I am so glad that some of you can see Obama for who he really is.

A FRAUD!!! Great campaigner, president NOT!!! Promises the moon, doesn't deliver!!!!

I rather vote for someone who think with logic than with a religious' belief. The Bible was written in Middle East by Middle East people. Guess what dominate in Middle East now, Muslim and their policies of laws are based on their religious' belief. Guess GOP has more common with Muslim society than we thought.

Joe66

Obama will support anything for a vote.

And Republicans absolutely vow to do anything and everything NOT to support this President, even when it means disaster for the country.

Republicans cost this country trillions simply by debating raising the debt ceiling, which every single President did before him; including both your Bush's, and your Lord Reagan numerous times. America's credit rating was dropped, and ONLY Republicans are to blame.

What Republicans have done is more un-American than anything any single party has ever done in this nation's history. And history will not be rewritten unless and until you completely destroy democracy and dismantle our constitution, which is your party's clear goal.

That's why you rally so tightly around your Tea Party, which represents a group that protested the British tax on tea by dumping it into Boston Harbor in December of 1773, nearly three years before this country was formed. You want to take your country back alright... back to 1773 so America can be rewritten to reflect the will of bankers and billionaires.

NOT Born Gay: Homosexuality Caused by Emotional Trauma:
Author and AIDS victim Jerry Arterburn said: "I was involved in the homosexual world as a blatant attempt to obtain the affection from other men that I did not receive from my own father."

Due to his sensitive nature, he was more deeply affected than most boys when his own father rejected him early in life. Without a loving father figure, he yearned for affection from other boys by the age of six. His yearning became sexualized at puberty. He said being abused or severely neglected in childhood was "too common a thread to ignore" in the gay community and his female mannerisms were due to his mother, his only role model. He was NOT born gay. But he was saved and transformed, just as the Bible promises all of us, whether gay or straight, as we submit to Christ by repentance and faith.

Anti-Gay Marriage Ban is NOT About Hate - Its About Getting People the Help They Need
How many more gay teenagers have to commit suicide before the gay community realizes suicides are primarily from inner trauma, in this case probably emotional trauma in early childhood, not primarily from external forces such as bullying - and for which people need support, resolution, and help. Unfortunately, they aren't getting that needed help in the gay community. So who is to blame?

Sexual Identity Confusion Caused by Emotional Trauma:
Peter Dimrock (MSW) said: "Many men who were sexually abused (especially those abused by other men), are confused about their sexual/affectional preference." (The National Organization on Male Sexual Victimization (NOMSV) website)

Suicides Primarily From Inner Turmoil, NOT External Bullying
How many more gay teenagers have to commit suicide before the gay community realizes suicides are primarily from inner trauma, in this case probably emotional trauma in early childhood, not primarily from external forces such as bullying.

Sexual Identity confusion and homosexuality is caused by a deep-seated emotional truama, usually early in life - for which people need support, resolution, and help. Unfortunately, they aren't getting that needed help in the gay community. So who is to blame?

Obama has spend more of OUR money that ANY persident in history! The current DEMOCRATIC government has helped no one except themselves. Obama loves the poor so much, he created millions more!

You think Obama is great? What the hell is so great about forcing someone get medical insurance (if not purchased...you will be penalized)? So now the gov't is telling me I HAVE TO HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE? Since when di I work for the govt.? Last I heard...they are "supposed" to work for me (us).

Cutbacks on our military? Are you out of your damn minds? Who defends our country? Who GIVES you the ability to vote? Who gives you the ability to go to any church or have any religion you wish to have. OUR MILITARY! GOD BLESS THEM ALL.

Why would you want to raise the natl. dept ceiling? So that we can get more in dept? Don't we owe China enough? If I have to sacrafice and try to live within my means, why can't the government? Out credit ratings have gone down since our current president.......this has NEVER before happened. But it's O.K., They'll just pring more money.

Let me stop ranting. I've never been into politics in my life, but what we have now is CRAP. Major business are pulling out (still) more so now that ever. NO JOBS, DEEPER DEBT, Solialism is not the way to go.

Hopefully, Obama and all his sorry ass cabinet members will be out of a job come 2013. Then they'll know how it feels. Oh wait, Obama has been on federal funding from the start, even as a child. So he'll never know what is like.

Joe us dems. are glad your not a dem. aether

xmax-1

Cutbacks on our military? Are you out of your damn minds? Who defends our country?

Relax. Obama is busy keeping us safe from the Soviet threat, and from the evil Czechoslovakians too.

And the moment President Mitt Romney takes the reigns of the Oval Office from the then-disgraced former President Barack Obama, his first order of business will be to set up a meeting with both of those countries' leaders to explain to them how it was going to be from now on.

Oh. And I almost forgot: Mitt Romney single-handedly saved the Detroit auto industry. I heard Mitt say it on the little TV on the internets- you know, the thing that Al Gore invented?

Is that a ghost on the screen? No, it's just a forshadowing of Mitt Romney's campaign to come. This would be a great example of the story of the Emperor's new clothing... except in this case, the Emperor is not absent his clothing, but rather his mind - and only Moderate Republicans, Independents and Democrats can see it. And I believe they will see it clearly come November 6th, 2012.

Obama / Biden 2012

xmax-1Obama has spend more of OUR money that ANY persident in history!

More lies. Bush still leads the pack but Obama's budget deficit is greatly caused by Bush policies that lead to the recession. Tax cuts, wild spending of borrowed money, and reckless no bid contracts. With the near collapse of the economy resulting in reduced revenue and the Bush tax cuts that the Republicans refuse to reform it's no wonder we're spending more than we take in. Just the interest of the deficit before Obama took office weights a heavy burden on the federal budget.

@ xmax-1

Cutbacks on our military? Are you out of your damn minds? Who defends our country?

Hey, didn't you hear the news?? Bush was on the aircraft carrier to declare "Mission Accomplished" so we no longer need the military.

Does anyone other than me think the current President spends too much? Does anyone think he will think 'leaner' if he's elected again?

Joe66
Im glad im not a Democrat now ....LMAO We have two bottom notch ones in the WH now and starving for votes. Obama will support anything for a vote.

Obama would be pro-pedophile if they were 11% of likely voters. Before you delete, I did not say he was pro-pedophile. For the record, I do not believe he is pro-pedophile.

It's okay Joe, it's just another "Biden moment" but thanks for forcing the Prez's hand anyway. Obama's personal view and flip flopping was as graceful as a beached fish. Expect more pandering as the election get closer.

For the record the bum in the white house is 1/2 white! He is a mulatto. Yet he will get 90% of the black vote. Now if the gene for skin color dominance was white, he could not count on that 90% of the black vote.

You really have to think deep about the meaning of this. It is very important. Black per family income has fallen since 2008. Black two parent families have fallen since 2008. The number of black children in one parent families has increased 60% since 2008. Black male unemployment has almost doubled.

Now what "LOGICAL" reason do blacks have to vote 90% for Obama? Nature determined that the black gene for skin color is dominate over the recessive white gene. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON!

The logical reason is that we are damn sick and tired of lying ass white people! Mitt Romney claims he is suddenly responsible for the auto bailout and the increase in the new jobs at GM. That is a damn lie and although the world knows it is a lie, he tried to use it anyway. Mitt Romney also lied when he said that Pres Obama called Americans lazy after the tape of the conversation was altered; and he never came correct about it, instead he said, "Well he did say it!" But it was not spoken in the context that Romney wanted everyone to believe it was. George Bush lied to the whole of America when he insisted that Iraq was housing WMD and so; he took this nation to war and thousands died, billions upon billions were spent and NOW, whites are trying their damndest to put the state of the economy squarely on the back of Barack Obama. That is low-down!

A strange thing happened one day on the way to Black School; we actually learned to read and write! As long as there is a black person running for the oval office from now until Doom's Day, we will help them run! No black person can screw us any worse than we've been screwed already! Get your people on the same page...we're good thank you. The Latins, male and female have joined us. They don't like the idea of an electric fence. Have you noticed a reverse migration? Yes...their going home and we will help them get home any way we can. Pick your own damn beans and cotton. Check and see how many have been stopped at the border lately and you will see that I am right. Babysit your own kids and clean your own houses. Currently, 89% of blacks in America agree with me that there is a race problem in America and we are sick of it falling on us. When we tried to have this discussion with you all, you screamed that we were whining. There will be no more whining! Barack Obama will win in the Fall!

Face it gays; the Mulatto in Chief now supports your vote... err, umm... YOU!

@dictionary72

What is so awful about blacks having a hero of their own for a change? Its as though white folks don't want blacks to have anything/one to call their own...don't want us to have anyone as a role model either. Most white people have nothing good to say about Rev. All Sharpton or the Rev. Jesse Jackson but what whites don't understand is that they are not black! They (whites), have no idea what it is to be black so they condemn what they cannot possibly understand. It is very much akin to someone hating a person for living on a farm; if you have never lived on a farm, what gives you the right to criticize? Whites typically do not grow up in the ghetto that blacks grow up in and even if they did they would still be treated better than a black person from that same neighborhood. I will admit, I envy the fact that other races stick together!

Barack Obama is more than a hero, he is more than a role model; he epitomizes the American dream and gives us the hope that anyone CAN live better even if they start out poor. Nothing will ever separate us from him or him from us. I personally never believed in a blue-eyed, stringy-haired, fair skinned Jesus, with tiny red lips and golden hair. He was born in the middle east, lived there all his life but did not tan as do all other men of that same region. But I can believe in a Barack Obama who looks like us; who is from the hood that I come from, that was a Community Organizer, which means he can absolutely relate to forced poverty. Barack Obama lived among us; his gorgeous wife is from the same neighbor hood. What a lady?

The whites certainly have no plan to help blacks do better or live better. Whites think that blacks are all lazy and conniving...some are; but so are some whites! Barack knows...the POTUS knows and understands what we face in a biased, racist, color-hating society. Pres Obama won our hearts first by talking to us and not at us as whites are known to do; whites even talk down to us at every opportunity BUT now it feels good to no longer be patronized. He won our hearts and he earned our vote. I wish there would never again be a white president. I want my children and grands to know what it is like to to have someone honest on their side. I want them to see that democracy can work if you take white folks out of the equation.

Yeh... The last two comments!

Look around the world -- do you see any governments or incumbents winning any elections out there? Did it happen in small elections in Germany or Britain, big elections in France and Greece or how about huge elections in the United States in 2008 and 2010? Please folks -- wake up!

Newsflash: Nothing is in the bag. Nothing can be taken for granted. Everybody from the precinct door-knocker, to the Chicago high command, to the White House, to the halls of Congress, to the Senate and House committees, to congressional leadership, here is a simple message: If we don't get on the offense, reconnect with the American people, talk about how the middle class is in a struggle for its very existence, hold the Republicans accountable and fight like the dickens, we are going to lose.

-James Carville 5/10/12

Obama can't stop talking about gay rights, billionaires, oil companies and millionaires. For a bright guy he is dumb as a stump. He is throwing the election away with both hands.

Is Jamie Diamond gay? No? Then why is this relevant in this thread?

McGrinder, Sorry you feel that way. I think it's important to point out greed especially since J.P. Morgan is part of the Federal Reserve.

Is Jamie Diamond gay? No? Then why is this relevant in this thread?

Because most stockholders in America (gay or not) will be taking it the a$$ tomarrow?

@MGrinder

Thank you for pointing out what is exactly the problem we have right now. Screw jobs, screw economics, screw everything, those are not important issue. Let's talk about Gay and Women's rights, let's focus on it and make laws regard those IMPORTANT matters.

Cuong...it's really all that loser Obama has left to talk about. Dismal Fail.

justoneguy

Cuong...it's really all that loser Obama has left to talk about. Dismal Fail.

Yes, let's go back to the good ol' policies of George W. Bush and the Republicans in the House and Senate just four short years ago. Now those were the days.

Every time he says 1 million jobs in the mid west would have been lost without the GM bailout he is lying through his teeth and everyone knows it. Voters are smarter that he thinks.

The sad part is the Lefties fall for his lies and clowns like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz repeat them endlessly. They start to believe their own fiction and take the American people for idiots. Hope they keep it up! It's costing them votes.

well you see that is where a bit of intelligence comes into play and you take the time to read the article....

There is no such thing as speaking out of turn when it comes to civil rights, you say what you mean from the get go...right is right and wrong is wrong...just because he is the VP does not mean that he has to wait for permission to speak...Obama picked him I am sure because he felt that he could represent him at a moments notice...

There is a lot of "reading between the lines" on this one..by that i mean why did he even have to wait for Obama to speak...why was there a hold up? evolving....? no i don't think so ...brave?...no...it would have been brave of him if he (Obama) said this in 08' or even before that...

This is a pure and calculated move by a president who can read the writing on the wall..especially after a state vote against this..will this bite him in the rear? who knows but there are questions and once you add up more questions then doubt comes into play

Information manipulation. If you change the words, the meaning a little, you can change the meaning entirely.

The same can be said about the Bible, if you translate something this way and then update the meaning a little, it evolves with society. I read some Bible from 50 years ago and some words just change the meaning completely.

ObserverNYC

Let's see ... what kind of lies can I tell today for votes!!!!

It's sooo SAD!!

Truly it is. But apparently you do it very well.

Gay people are people too?

Founding Fathers were slave owners. Bunch of flip-floppers. Didnt respect the contitution they designed themselves...

MGrinder, that simply isn't true. Try learning a little something before you shoot off your mouth.

Michael Gibson, that simply is true. I have no idea where you get your facts, but both Washington and Jefferson both owned slaves. It's even believed that the Washington name for black people originated with George himself. I know this because I'm directly related to him and I've studied the history.

Whether or not they were good or bad to slaves is another story. We can argue about this crap all day long, but the fact of the matter is that both people I have named here were womanizers. Washington chopped down the cherry tree, everyone knows that, but few people know he liked to have multiple women at once.

What difference does it make? Human beings are terrible creatures. I'm sure each and every one of you posting here have skeletons in your closet that you'd absolutely refuse to put on this website. Gay, not gay, white, black, indian, native american... what difference does it really make? When it comes down to it, you and I have the same blood running through our veins. God, or no God, we're all the same being. We're all the same entity on Earth. We are the only known species of highly intelligent beings in the universe. Yet, on a daily basis, we let this morons feed us crap. We let our governments shake their nuclear fists at each other. We sit back, turn on the TV, drink a beer, and shut up about the entire thing.

So, you guys tell me. You got plenty of air to spew out of your mouths from one corner or the other on all these political issues. You guys go ahead and put some of that air into something it takes some sack to say. Who is to blame for this? Is it Obama? Is it Romney? Did the housing bubble burst because of Bush? Clinton?

Or was it all OUR fault as citizens for letting this country RUN RAMPANT for decades?

@watt75

Sometimes, what the majority want doesn't mean it is the right thing. People used to hate interracial marriage, women at works, equality with colors/gender. Back then, it was the majority and people think those were right, good. Now what do you think those issues look like?

yea but he was for it before he was against it and against it before he was for it.

honest jo

yea but he was for it before he was against it and against it before he was for it.

Yes, let's start a debate about flip-floppers, shall we?

Go ahead and run your 18 months of recorded gems... you know, the ones where the President is caught chronically flip flopping over and over, almost on a daily basis?

Okay good. Now it's OUR turn...

yeah that's what i thought.

Watt75

It really wouldn't matter what he said or if he hadn't said anything at all.

You would still have something hatefull to say about the President, anyway.

I agree Mike. I am firmly against foreign excursions with our troops in countries we have no business in and Ron Paul is the ONLY one running for president who is willing to change this. Once this changes we will save tons of $$$ and will actually be safer with our troops guarding our borders.

The only problem with Ron Paul is he has signed the person-hood pledge which vows to overturn Roe v Wade and make women into second class citizens.

Ron Paul is for freedom and rights only if you are a man. Sounds just like any other republican to me.

Vote for women's freedom...vote Obama/Biden 2012

Americans First,

He has a firm moral belief in life at conception and believes in the inalienable rights to all at conception so he isn't for anyone being a second class citizen. Beyond that he feels state laws trump the feds and murder is a state issue so the states would have the ability to decide if Ron Paul becomes president. What a concept if you did not believe in this highly controversial law you would have the right to move to another state that believed the way you did and still have the option of living in America. I don't know... makes too much sense to me!

...you would have the right to move to another state that believed the way you did and still have the option of living in America.

At what point does an American stop being an American. When your belief system (non-religious) differs so greatly from the next state, then you are in another country at that point. Think about how we differ from Canada or England or Australia. Same language, completely different beliefs and culture.

Americans First-3238795

The only problem with Ron Paul is he has signed the person-hood pledge which vows to overturn Roe v Wade and make women into second class citizens.

Well the issue is, and Derick cleared that up, is that he is protecting life at conception which is in no way promoting women as being second class citizens. Ron Paul wants to take the government out of running and controlling peoples lives to the extent of liberty. A woman who 'chooses' to have consensual sex with her own liberty has choosen to take part in an activity that has reproductive outcomes. Remember, it takes a man + a women for this to work and the women should have to live with her own outcome with the knowledge that she knew that risks and possibile pregancy. It is not the governments job to try to correct indivdual errors of choice, it has to be up to that persons will. With that being said I do believe that if the sex was non consensual then yes, by all means the woman should have the that choice to abort, and only by those moral means.

dman1115

At what point does an American stop being an American. When your belief system (non-religious) differs so greatly from the next state, then you are in another country at that point.

I understand where you are coming from, but for a second let's think about beliefs whether they are religious or systematic they are beliefs. Now the great thing about the United States is you have varying beliefs, and this changes through out history. I support what Derrick was saying that it is beneficial to have each individual state deal with very controversial issues. If you think about it the America 100 years ago held different beliefs and could in fact be called a complety different country then the America of today, but does that make the American's of the past any less American then we are? Even though many beliefs they held can be counted as errors or mistakes and we may correct those today, you have to understand that we are in the same process as making mistakes with our beliefs in our time. Also, it greatly depends on how the communties of each time period of America view each issue, which many issues such as marriage and the discussions we are having today could never have even existed in the past time period. If each state where to have there own direction with each issue then that is more than a possible 50 different ways to look at an issues, and one state is going to find the best way for our generation of dealing with that issue and can be used as an example for all the other states to say, "Hey maybe Iowa is doing things correctly their policy is working". In the worst scenario as Derick was saying you can just move to a state that closer fits your views, now that is freedom, it does not make us any less American.

I agree Rosie. He's tired of being President. He'd prefer to be Czar, King, or the Fuhrur. He does't want to have to be accountable to anyone. What a pompous ars.

he'll lose all the votes of "Normal" people

Oh dear little Rosie - would you please explain to us what constitutes normal people?

Did someone die & leave you & your bigotry in charge?

Bonus points babe for spelling & punctuation.

We will be waiting...

Yeah know a lot of people were happy to have Hitler as their leader in Germany the first 5 years... at least until the "war" started. A lot of similarities between our government and theirs. Patriot Act is definitely something to be worried about... and Obama re-signed it!

Yeah, Rosie. Fire up the ovens and display your bigotry against Gay Americans proudly. Let's make sure they know that they are welcome to pay taxes and serve our country in the military, but that when it comes right down to it, you still consider yourself far superior to them. I'd much rather live next door to a gay couple than you sanctimonious, bible-thumping "patriots."

so let me get this straight (no pun intended) if you are against gay marriage you are a bigot...so was Obama a bigot when he said he was against gay marriage. i was just wondering

Did the initial post spell her name Rosie or Rosy ? Then Fiesty wants to give bonus points for spelling in a response .... CLASSIC!

hahahahahaha

While Obama stated that he personally felt that marriage was between a man and woman, he never supported altering the Constitution to "protect" marriage. He has supported partner rights and rolled back DADT. Like a lot of people who haven't ever really examined this issue over the course of their lives, it took some thought. The end result is that gays are no less entitled to equal treatment because of who they love - he came to the right conclusion, even if it will be unpopular with some. I doubt Rosie has the intelligence or integrity to come to the same conclusion. I wonder how many times she's been divorced?

@Feisty, you are a bitter old gas bag!!

Don't be too hard on fiesty, I don't think the mother ship has called for a few weeks.

so was Obama a bigot when he said he was against gay marriage. i was just wondering

I understand that he was for civil unions and against calling them "marriage," which seems like a pretty sensible position to me. I might be wrong, though.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

he'll lose all the votes of "Normal" people

Oh dear little Rosie - would you please explain to us what constitutes normal people?

Did someone die & leave you & your bigotry in charge?

Bonus points babe for spelling & punctuation.

We will be waiting...

"Oh dear little Rosie"

"Bonus points babe"

Another condescending post from Feisty.

There is a different between hating something and being a bigot. If you hate something, you know the reason why and there are facts to back up that. However, you know that you are a bigot when you just unconditionally hate something and you just have that feeling without able to explain why and facts to back up the reason why you hate.

I also like to further point out that using any kind of teaching or religious' belief doesn't constitute as a valid reason or facts since you are blindly believe in it without any reasons why to begin with.

backfire

What a pompous ars

I just though it was funny - waving a word like ars around with a moniker like backfire. It made me think of farts and it made me laugh. I vote that backfire should pompous ars in another direction.

Yes?

Nobody makes the liberal messiah look like an unprepared, flip-floppig stooge without being forced to publicly seek forgiveness... after all this take weeks of issuing new propaganda to bring the ignorant sheep back into blind obedience.

Why a weak President when he feels the same as the VP. A weaker person would have said nothing and changed the subject - like when some ignorant person accuses the President of treason. It was obvious to me that the President had been processing his position for some time. His personal reflections, his rationale, his reference to gay soldiers fighting for everyone's freedoms while being denied the freedom to love whoever they want to was hardly a response scrabbled together in a moment of panic. Think back to when it was illegal for people of different races to marry and now it's commonplace and totally unremarkable. People will open up and recognize this as one more instance of one of our most basic rights... the pursuit of happiness.

No way. Democrats were enclined to vote for gaymarriage beforehand. It is just so backward that a president of the FREE world is till confined/prohibited to speak freely about something two adults agree upon.

So did all the democrats vote against the NC amendment? Bet some crossed over.

How about the 40% of the Democrats that voted for a jail bird?

Too late. She'd rather this sit one out, then come roaring back in 4 years. He might consider that felon in a Texas jail that almost beat him in the W. Virginia primary.

@Barron --- Laughable! Even Hillary, with Bill in tow, has too much class for our current POS POTUS and his three ring circus.

@Barron... you want Oboner to "kock" Bidden now that they both agree gay is ok? Guess we'll see how that plays in the living rooms of middle america.

NC Vet

@Barron --- Laughable! Even Hillary, with Bill in tow, has too much class for our current POS POTUS and his three ring circus..

As a hard core Repub that WOULD have voted for Hillary, you are way too right!

Agree 100%. So glad that Biden feels comfortable expressing his opinion, and I'm sure his views on the matter were valuable as the President pondered this issue.

So glad that Biden feels comfortable expressing his opinion

Especially when he's talking about Obama's big stick.

yea biden and obama are finally coming out of the closet.

I don't believe Joe could be any more laughable than he already is.

"There is no such thing as speaking out of turn when it comes to civil rights, you say what you mean from the get go...right is right and wrong is wrong...just because he is the VP does not mean that he has to wait for permission to speak...Obama picked him I am sure because he felt that he could represent him at a moments notice..." VHVet

So, let us put it this way. If someone asked your opinion in a moment, would you feel intimidated and not give it? Or would you immediately exercise your right to your free thoughts and speech, your individual rights? I hope the answer is yes to that. It should be.

Our President, Barack Obama, is a person. Our Vice President, Joe Biden, is a person. They are two different people - mortal individual citizens of the United States, right? They, like the rest of us, have a right to their individual opinions, to share their thoughts with others in free conversation, to research for evidence of facts to assist them in their decision making in their ongoing work, to change opinions if fresh evidence is found, and to freely confer with others about it all, just like any of us.

They are free to disagree at times as all fellows do once in awhile even while maintaining many other points of agreement in their ongoing work, that is life rolling along in time, developments taking place in time, history commencing in time. Time is not stagnant, it is in motion and all things change, even opinions can be open for development and consideration over time. That is freedom and why it is absolutely necessary for discovery and gained knowledge. That is how it works and you would have no grounds to deny any other good citizens the same rights you have as you grow, learn or gain experience through life now, would you?

A person unable to voice their opinion or having to wait for some kind of permission to speak is in a state of un-freedom, a state of oppression as in not being able to think or speak spontaneously free of intimidation, due to pressure from an authority figure or a group of authority figures. There is a difference between respecting your work associates and being considerate, and being forced to conform. When you cannot naturally think or exercise your talents, or when you are intimidated, that is oppression. Your thoughts and application of knowledge is squashed, you cannot be yourself but must live the life defined for you in an artificial role. You must perform according to someone else's agenda or definitions...that is oppression and your natural feelings and skills are alienated, separated from spontaneous natural behavior, motivation, inspiration and feeling.

There is a difference between willing teamwork and oppression. It is not fair to deny others who have different ways or paths to yours, their own rights and freedom to pursue their own happiness, liberty or livings. Health is necessary for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, livings as in making a living is a job. It is the responsibility of the owners of wealth and businesses to maintain and make/replenish that wealth by providing jobs which translates into "living income" to workers for their products, services, skills and labor" to make the circle of economy flow in order to create consumers to feed moneys back in to them for the maintenance of their businesses, new wages, and upkeep of equipment, etc.. If you want to understand a model of Capital and how Capitalism works, read Das Capital, by the German Economist Karl Marx.

As for technology, we are currently in a paradigm shift of defining labor and values of work, goods and services because of changes like trade and robotics replacing human labor and things like working part time from home on a computer and saving a need to travel to a place of work which takes time and gasoline, just to name a couple examples. This is just practical utilitarian and functional necessity and adjustment to what is most efficient in working the best for human interests and the well being of living resources on planet Earth. We are finding that money comes from living resources and to protect life is to protect ourselves and our resources by replenishment, nurturing and re-birthing them into the future. In 1940 we still held the sterile and naive "Master of the Universe" point of view and paid little attention or care to the long term consequences of our pollution and destruction.

After learning about illness, extinction and the dangers, beating the crap out of the living planet and ruination of the atmosphere and water by mastering the Universe (367 nuclear atmospheric tests in the forties and fifties, mining, oil spills, etc.), this is now known to be an archaic point of view. Working with Gaia, and proper clean use of energy is a way of green living for the guarantee of life on our planet for our children and our children's children (our posterity) in the future. This obligation and responsibility of American Citizens to ourselves and our posterity to survive, stay well and to leave a clean, free and livable world for our children is a concept first mentioned in the Preamble to our Constitution. By fairly protecting the rights of ALL living citizens, our President and Vice President have done a good thing in maintaining the individual freedoms and rights of our future posterity to survive and function in a peaceful society.

Why?

Why not?

because they are damaging our nation

Why not? Maybe because republicans want to follow England with their austerity and now double dipped recession.

Want another recession then vote for a republican because that is their plan.

The republicans created the deficit and then starting hollering it was everybody fault but theirs. Now you think we should all be dumb enough to vote for them again to finish the job of destroying America that bush started, even with bush's staff that Romney has rehired because they did such a good job the first time.

And then the republicans are always claiming they are the smart ones. The Ryan budget follows the polices of England now in another recession.

How dumb do you have to be to want to do the very same thing that has proven a failure in England?

Americans First, Quit with that bull$hit already!!

Sorry Mr. Nuke em....you certainly do bomb out here. You are completely wrong historically. Since Blair and Brown, (who were Labor) left, it has been the return to the conservative policies that were in with Thatcher and Major with the return of conservative prime minister David Cameron in 2010. The same problems that finally drove out John Major have returned again, but worse.

It is a very clear warning sign to the US that the same will happen here again and all gains or even partial gains will be lost if we are stupid enough to change horses midstream like we did with the Bush2 administration take over and the loss of our surplus. It will just be a repeat of the same old failed trickle down policies and more loss for the middle class citizens of the USA with more advantages for the power elite and less rights or possible upward mobility or benefits for the little guys, including small local businesses as consumers will not be able to afford to shop and employers will not be able to afford to pay worker's wages. In the eighties this was called stagflation, but in the eighties we did not have the off-shoring and runaway shops, or the long wars depleting our national wealth as severely as now.

Exactly, I don't care if someone marries a horse or a pig.

300Michael - Even with proper spelling and grammar, that has to be the stupidest friggin comment I've seen all day! "Get an education"

Unless you are gay then the whole issue is inconsequential. Gay people are the only ones who need to have feelings about this one way or the other!

obama has no substance........and that is just one of the many flaws displayed by obama..

Hey paddywacker, You might as well get used to it, because he's gonna be your president for the next 4 years!!! HAHAHAH

Obama/Biden - 2012

Heaven forbid that anyone exercise their brains and do some original thinking for themselves with individual rights to their opinion and free speech. By the way, did anyone actually listen to Obama's own take on his own individual ideas?

Biden apologises for a strategy timing foopah, not for his beliefs. Oh no, someone has some smarts, stands up for and exercises their rights to free speech without being afraid of and oppressed by the fascist dictators, or the finger pointing control freak hypocrites or the godalmighty dollar, or a popularity contest in "bourgeoise land", but actually focuses on their own educated logical reasoning. How dare they?!!! We can't have that now, Good lordy!

That would be behaving like a real American citizen should!

PS I agree with JT 143 above who writes:
"I find the wording of the headline and the article very misleading, if not false, and slightly offensive. I question why it was worded this way -- very tabloid-esque, cut it out.

It implies Biden is apologizing for the statement rather than the timing of the statement. Biden is not apologizing for saying what he said, he's apologizing for speaking out of turn.

The wording makes it sound like the administration is walking back their support. It's crap writing."

So who is stirring the public opinion pot this time, and why? Is someone getting intimidated or paid, or are you just having fun seeing what the reactions will be here?

If so, there have been some very good explanations: one here by Pedestrian in SF: "While Obama stated that he personally felt that marriage was between a man and woman, he never supported altering the Constitution to "protect" marriage. He has supported partner rights and rolled back DADT. Like a lot of people who haven't ever really examined this issue over the course of their lives, it took some thought. The end result is that gays are no less entitled to equal treatment because of who they love - he came to the right conclusion, even if it will be unpopular with some."

And Mike 242: "What Obama said was that it would take time to legislate complete equality for the glbt community. He supported them and believed they should have equal rights and protections just like everyone else but that his first goal would be to repeal dadt. He supported civil unions and he has the right and especially after spending much time conferring with persons from every occupation and walk of life, to decide that he is simply in favor of them having and enjoying the same exact rights as everyone else. Marriage is a legal institution between two people and the state period. The church and its cult members would like to think that it is them that decides the laws of marriage but ya know, I don't remember ever asking their permission to do a damn thing at any point in my life and I won't start now or later."

Lastly, it was Biden's own idea to apologize for the timing strategy foopah to his running mate and president if it even was that, and this is questionable. There is no reason to apologize for personal beliefs, so what's the beef???

Again, this is the right "teapartisan" trumpet blurters jumping all over an opportunity to attack and make a tempest out of a teapot. Well, there is none. Conclusions have been reached on an issue, announcements have been made and this is their stand on it for logical reasons explained. The lead up to this announcement by President Obama has been mentioned numerous times in the last week before Biden's interview. There have been news articles elsewhere on it. Obama was being pressed for his opinion elsewhere and was preparing his statements already. He stepped up to the podium and made his statements based upon his studies and knowledge of the facts of proper protocol, fairness and law. That is it, period.

Taking a stand for individual equal rights is not a sin in most people's books...now the trolls and followers of radioland look like fools again for all their fingerpointing fuss and they will continue their silly sound bites over and over even after they have been proved biased and wrong.