Well, Mitt Romney may think he knows a lot about bid and contract tender.

But there is little or no humanity or touch of tenderness,

For ordinary 98%-ers,

In the RyanRomney Budget.

Isn't it ironic, Willard belongs to a church which up until hundred or so years ago practiced polygamy.

Yet, he is against equal & civil rights for all Americans when it comes to gay marriage?

And "isn't it ironic" that his position on gay marriage was the same as Obama's until an hour or so ago?

So what's your point Feisty? One hundred years ago was just that....100 years ago.

Yeh well, today is "just that" = The year two thousand and twelve.

At least polygamy supports the continuation of the human race -- or is that something the lefts are against as well?

Oh, so is THAT the problem?

If gay marriage isn't banned then men will stop marrying women altogether?

I do believe you hit the nail on the head. If it's not illegal to marry a gay, they won't be able to hold themselves back.

Da Noid, Didn't you hear? Gay marriage will make all straight marriages fall apart, and since our species has so few members, it's likely we will simply go extinct. After all, what we REALLY NEED is more people on this planet.

@Feisty -- At least polygamy supports the continuation of the human race -- or is that something the lefts are against as well?

So then you think STRAIGHT couple who can't or won't have kids should not be allowed to marry...interesting?

JustSayin22;

if gay marriage wasn't outlawed, would you be married to a member of your same gender right now?

Romney doesn't have the backbone to take a stance that the far right doesn't tell him to.

justsayin22 - so you're saying that if a couple has no plans to or can't procreate they should not be allowed to marry? That's interesting. So, an older couple should not marry; couples who have had all the children they plan to and find themselves divorced or widowed should not be able to marry; couples who for some reason cannot have children should not be able to marry? Because as you of course know, none of these couples would be working for the "continuation of the human race" so according to you they should also not be able to marry? Interesting!

Yes Sir Mr. President! Equal Rights for all.

You don't need marriage to procreate.

As long as folks are horny and some want children, the human race will continue on.

Don't lecture me on how a marriage makes a child legitimate, either.

No matter what the circumstances, EVERY child is legitimate, whether born to a married couple, raised by a single parent, or adopted into a gay family.

PS> Romney is actually playing it smart, right now.

@Justsayin22, there are 6 BILLION + human beings on this old Earth already! I think we have the continuation of the human race down pat JS. The estimates I've seen on the issue are saying there will be between 8.5 and 9 BILLION by 2050. Don't you think there's just a 'bit' of room for gays in there since we're more likely to breed ourselves into extinction than not!

Thanks for having the courage to ask about such a sensitive subject.

Thanks for answering GF!

You having walked in a pair of shoes I have never had the opportunity to enlightened me!

At least polygamy supports the continuation of the human race -- or is that something the lefts are against as well?

Face it!

If men were responsible for giving birth - the human race would of died off long ago!

Beverly - well said. For those of us who have not had to face that kind of discrimination your post is enlightening. We still have a long way to go, unfortunately, to see that everyone has the same rights. But today was a step in the right direction - by the President.

You know what gets me? How does anyone else's marriage affect MY marriage?

What are all these "righties" so afraid of? And why are they afraid of loving unions between any gender? First they accuse gays of "fornication"--then they deny them monogamous marriages--what the heck?

You know what gets me? How does anyone else's marriage affect MY marriage?

Good question. If this had anything to do on how it effects other's marriages then we would criminalize adultery. Because THAT really screws with a marriage. Gay people hooking up, not so much.

Eng Esq

Great answer. Thank you

How about bewteeen two corporations, Mr. ROmney?

Polygamy is still practiced by Mormons--just no longer against the laws of the land. I'm not saying this to bash a particular religion, it's just a fact. When Mormons are married in the temple, they are "sealed" to one another for eternity. This is above and beyond the legal civil recognition of their marriage. If a couple wants a divorce, the woman remains sealed to the man unless she remarries -- then it is automatically dissolved because women cannot be sealed to more than one man. However, the man remains sealed to the ex-wife (or wives) when he remarries -- unless he requests to no longer be sealed and then there's a pile of paperwork that must be done in order to get the church's approval, and this rarely if ever happens. In other words, Mormons still believe in polygamy. Just sayin...

amp,

thanks!

Romney is a political coward. He has said and will say anything to get elected. He will not take a risk and stand for anything, even something people disagree with. He will not fight for his own beliefs because he doesn't have any to fight for. How can you expect this man to fight for America?

I've got it, its not an issue for the federal government and a big waste of time and money for them to debate it.

can someone please explain how "gay marriage" will not effect religious marriage ceremonies for hetero couples? will church's lose their tax-exempt status if they do not perform "gay marriages"? will gays sue church's they may or may not belong to so they can have an "equal ceremony" in an lds temple, catholic church, christian church?? are the glb's really trying to invoke a genderless society and make religious organizations an enemy of the state? i haven't met anyone who thinks gays should be treated less than equal in their "domestic partnerships" from a "wedded partnership". maybe we can give the gays the word "marriage" and create a new word for the hetero's, like "religious partnership". I really don't care, just give us all what we want and be done with it.

Actually polygamy is not exactly illegal for Mormons. The Mormons who still practice polygamy (and the vast majority who do not practice it, but approve of the practice) take advantage of something that most people do not understand about marriage. Marriage is a religious institution that has literally hundreds of various criteria depending on the religion and denomination. There is NO one standard for marriage and the involve of government in establishing any religious practice, including marriage, is strictly forbidden. The Jewish religion, Islam, Mormonism, and many other religions all allow plural marriage. Catholics on the other hand consider any marriage after a divorce as polygamy.

But civil union is a completely separate thing. Civil union is a contract between two people for purposes of civil contracts and law (including taxation.) It has no religious equivalent. Period. If you are "married" by a Justice of the peace, you are not technically "married", but are instead in a civil union. If you are married by a minister, he/she performs the religious rite but also "by the power vested in (him) by the state" also performs a concurrent civil union. A "marriage" without a civil union is a sham but a civil union without a marriage accounts for almost half of all couples.

What Mormons do is only have one marriage recorded as a concurrent civil union. All other marriages are done as religious rites only with no attempt to file taxes or make any civil claims as a spouse. You cannot prosecute Mormons for polygamy because they are only technically "married" insofar as the government is concerned once.

I wonder when someone is going to ask the Mittster about his underwear. We knew from MTV that Carter wore boxers, that W wore briefs, and that Clinton claimed to swing either way, an obvious lie. How about Mitt? I wear boxers that say "Haynes" on the waistband. Surely Mitt would make a similar disclosure. My guess is "neither" and the writing on the waistband will remain unknown.

teknishan, SeekingSanity, et al -- Though gay marriage was already illegal in N. Carolina, the ban just passed could be used against straight couples not living in the bonds of marriage, etc. Bob McDonnell's college writings favored making fornication, etc. illegal. The rightwing, in particular the religious Right love "gateway" (slippery slope) fear mongering, but it is them (theocracy with Sharia Law) and history (e.g., the Scarlet Letter) to truly be concerned about.

In regard to procreation, we as a nation (and world) in the 21st Century, must find ways not to be dependent on population growth in order to have economic growth. Republicans (not so long ago, Dubya) favored illegal immigration for this reason -- Until the GOP/TP realized the "browning of America" would make them a minority.

The only place in the nation with population growth via birth rate was the state of Utah until very recently. But the LDS church involvement in prop 8 in California, along with their activism against ERA for women, and not allowing blacks to hold the priesthood in Romney's lifetime raises a lot of questions about a lot of things...

Chris-749391 -- Those who practice polygamy against the laws of the land are an off-shoot group. There are many incorrect "myths" about Mormons that I will not have a part in. However, there's plenty that is factual that deserves scrutiny.

Michael1969 - as usual you post your lies. President Obama has NEVER said gays suck. You are just pathetic!

One more example of Obama choosing to adopt a divisive issue.

No surprise there. I'm sure it was a political calculation, but it could backfire. In the process of catering to one of his bases, he could alienate others.

President Obama has NEVER said gays suck

Well, we know for certain Mikey does - now the question is does he swallow...

SeekingSanity " President Obama has NEVER said gays suck."

I hope that's not a Freudian slip.

lol

Yup and they also believe a bunch of other stuff that is different from Christians as well. Ive been actually reading some of the stuff and it scares me. Romney is a devout Mormon. They do have their right to believe what they want. But what I do not get is how the Right can Support this Guys beliefs against their own. While bashing the rights of the Gay and lesbian community. And other Non Christians and Muslims. The Morman's and Muslims work with each other in the Middle east with charity.

The Religion that Romney holds dear.

This is his Messiah Messiah ben Joseph AKA Joseph Smith " Likewise, Jacob 2:25, "I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph."

Its a cult that still believes behind closed doors in power through position. And polygamy is a part of that belief system. With leaders within the Church holding more power than most of the followers. Even getting first pick at wives. The only outlawed part of polygamy in the current church is only to not break our current laws. Not some fundamental belief change.

Backhouse

Romney is a Juris doctor from Harvard and an MBA from Harvard. Obama is a juris doctor from Harvard and a BA from Columbia. Obama is outclassed in the standards the left prefers to hold the rest of us to.

Seeking Sanity

Beverly - well said. For those of us who have not had to face that kind of discrimination your post is enlightening. We still have a long way to go, unfortunately, to see that everyone has the same rights. But today was a step in the right direction - by the President.

Seeking Sanity,Thank you

Today was magnanimous. President Obama will go down in history as being an enlightened President in step with modernity and human values.

I’m welling up with tears right now because of all we've through that you do understand.

I have always been of the belief that people in society influence changes for the better. With this step towards modernity of compassion and unconditional love for our fellow citizens who live, eat, sleep, and bleed, the same as we; these people have often proven themselves to be excellent citizens. They have spilled their blood in wars, adopted children no one wanted, ( what greater love is there?), and have made many, many, contributions to our society with outside pressures demanding them to be something other than themselves. With this realiation the sky is not the limit. I hope they soar in thier endeavors to be who they want to be.

I'm happy to see our country and citizens evolve toward this level of intelligence.

Our President has demonstrated not only what we as black people have to endure; but his decision also gives evidence to his concern that all people are considered equal.

I can't help but reflect back to his speech he gave in Philadelphia on race and forming a "More Perfect Union". In that speech President Obama said:

"We the people, in order to form a more perfect union ..." — 221 years ago, in a hall that still stands across the street, a group of men gathered and, with these simple words, launched America's improbable experiment in democracy. Farmers and scholars, statesmen and patriots who had traveled across an ocean to escape tyranny and persecution finally made real their declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted through the spring of 1787

The document they produced was eventually signed but ultimately unfinished. It was stained by this nation's original sin of slavery, a question that divided the colonies and brought the convention to a stalemate until the founders chose to allow the slave trade to continue for at least 20 more years, and to leave any final resolution to future generations. "

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88478467

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Tears flowed from my eyes. I saw his brilliance and compassion.

I do believe we choose the right person to lead America to future in domestic and forirgn policies. I vowed I will do everthing I can in my being to help this man be re-elected and lead us in the right direction.

His decision today solidifies it.

Soon American society will come to realize we are all humans and did have homosexuality even in Biblical times.

DB Akron lol I always took MBA and BA as MBA = MORE bull**** artist

and

BA = Bull#$%$ artist

You go ahead - I don't like Romney, but I will do everything humanly possible to make sure Obozo doesn't get re-elected.

DB in Akron - Obama is not even remotely outclassed by Romney - who has no class. President Obama not only has his Juris doctorate from Harvard he headed Harvard Law Review - something Romney could never do. And, degrees aren't all that matters. Obama is ten time the person Romney is and a much better leader than Romney could ever aspire to be.

No sanity at all in the GOP!

Obama/Biden 2012

Michael1969 - Post your source, moron! Obama said nothing of the kind. And if republicans are right, and more people are against same-sex marriage than for it, then it will hardly get the President reelected.

In Michigan-90 "Romney is a political coward. He has said and will say anything to get elected.

And Obama decides to change his position just before an election?

Thanks for the laugh.

joeyfromcali " Romney is a devout Mormon."

Yeah, and John F. Kennedy was a 'devout Catholic'. They tried to use that against Kennedy, claiming that he would take his orders from the Pope.

It didn't work in 1960, and it won't work today.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL "Isn't it ironic, Willard belongs to a church which up until hundred or so years ago practiced polygamy."

And John F. Kennedy belonged to a church that practiced the Inquisition several hundred years ago, but since neither was a alive at the time, what is your point?

TO: bob-1805084 who wrote:

And "isn't it ironic" that his position on gay marriage was the same as Obama's until an hour or so ago?

I think Romney is saying whatever the wackos tell him he's allowed to say.

Obama/Biden 2012

Well, we know for certain Mikey does - now the question is does he swallow...

Hey Feisty, Bev, etc.. Check out this site

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GT,

Uh ah - no way... NO how - not before dinner! ;o)

winemaker-5901072

Over 100 years ago, the US had a slavery issue, but most people, except for Bev the racist from Chicago, have moved on from this. Since the time of FDR the progressives have attempted to change the nation with their entitlement programs, helping to poor to stay on the plantation. Like those crazy French, if we spend more, we will have more. Right

winemaker,

You don't know W-T-F you are talking about. If any one is a racist it is you. Are you the same poster who wants to seek justice for Zimmerman; the guy who murdered Trayvon Martin in cold blood?

The only black fools who think they got over racism are the ones who go on FOX NOISE and kiss ass like slave catchers Allen West and Herman Cain, concubine Angel McGowan, insane Mike Myers, Jesse Peterson who praises god for the white enslavement and any other black fool who is afraid to speak up for himself and his people being mistreated.

We have organizations who fight for freedom, just and equality for not just blacks nut all people as well such as the NAACP, the Lawyers Committee, ACLU, Rainbow Push, National Action Network etc.

You have the KKK, teabaggers, white militia groups, Arizona GOV,Jane Brew, who haven't got ove racism and give Americans and immigrants a bigger protocol headache!

I've been skimming through some of these posts and gotta say, Obama NEVER condemned gay marriage, he only said he didn't want to comment at that time. Romney's position, however, is religiously based, which is why our forefathers luckily put seperation of church and state in our constitution. I am a straight, married white male just to clear the air. I saw a great little comic strip on FB today with an older man talking to a younger one. he says, "they said our wedding was unnatural. That it would destroy the sacred institution of marriage. They said the next step could be legalized incest or bestiality! They said our love couldn't produce a normal healthy family." in the next frame the older man says, "But I married your mother anyways." (she's colored). Sound familiar? The more things change the more they stay the same.

It just seems, and I may be wrong, that just about every generation there comes this great "moral dilemma" and it involves someone's right to equality. The thing is, homosexuality has been around long before the birth of Christ. It found in nature. Chimpanzese have been observed having those relationships. I'm not getting into Evoltionism versus Creationism, but seeing as we share many of the same genes as Chimps, is it really that hard to understand? And when they do get equal rights it's not going to cause the human race to go extinct. Like I said it's been around for a long time and with China having over 1 billion people and the US at around 320 million I don't see any "dark days" of humans dying out any time soon.

DB Akron

Backhouse

Romney is a Juris doctor from Harvard and an MBA from Harvard. Obama is a juris doctor from Harvard and a BA from Columbia. Obama is outclassed in the standards the left prefers to hold the rest of us to.

DB Akron, please present all the facts. Romney left Stanford to get his undergrad degree from BYU (currently nationally ranked #71), which when compared with Columbia (currently nationally ranked #4) is way outclassed. Getting a dual MBA/JD isn't that much different anyway; it is just 3 vs 4 years at that institution (and most business schools accept LSAT scores for these sort of dual programs, so if one was accepted into a school's law program they could likely make it into the business school too if they wanted).

If Obama wasn't planning on going into business, it would have been pointless to stay the extra year to get an additional degree (let alone pay for those extra semesters as his family didn't have the kind of money that Romney's did). Thus, your point is irrelevant.

Nice try though.

Yeah, and John F. Kennedy was a 'devout Catholic'. They tried to use that against Kennedy, claiming that he would take his orders from the Pope. It didn't work in 1960, and it won't work today.

ummm, maybe because there were over 25 million Catholic voters in 1960. Don't think the Latter Day Saints have those kind of numbers.

And John F. Kennedy belonged to a church that practiced the Inquisition several hundred years ago, but since neither was a alive at the time, what is your point?

what is your point, Roy? I fail to see the connection. There are still people of the Mormon faith that believe and have attempted to practice polygamy. I know of no Roman Catholics that either believe in or have attempted to re-create the Inquisition. Ah, let me take that back. Mel Brooks did in History of the World Part I. Oh wait, he's Jewish, so it doesn't count.

All you hate mongers and followers of religious rabble rousers, do not be deceived. You yet continue to hold your rights to hate all those of benign differences. The President has simply consummated his understanding of human fairness and the 14th amendment of our constitution. You though, can continue to pile on, deny, and condemn, these people to the hell you wish for them, with total legal abandon. These people have always had to carry much more than others could, and will not be unburdened for yet some time.

There is a difference between changing your opinion and evolving as a person, and not actually standing for anything and constantly changing.

I think winemaker has been sampling his wares. As they say in Merry Old England, "that was a load of bollocks!"

@TruePatriot-445959 & Chris-

Pull your collective heads out of your posteriors! Mormons- that is, the mainstream Church (not the off-shoots that are NOT part of the Church!) do NOT practice polygamy, and haven't in a VERY long time. For you to even suggest it makes you either complete morons or just plain ignorant- period.

For the rest of you that are espousing "facts" about the Church- where do you get your information???? Do you just make stuff up? or do you read it off some blog and pass it along?

If you would like facts- go to the source and read it yourself! Don't just buy into crap that doesn't even resemble truth. lds dot org is a good place to start. mormon dot org is another. Or better yet- ask a member!! They are more than happy to share anything you want to know.

sorry gang- the Church is not covering up deep dark secrets just so people who "know" can out them! it just isn't happening...

LookForTheTruth -- Pull your head out of your arse. Men can be "sealed" to more than one woman in the Mormon temple. That is a fact.

About time gays can enjoy the pain and torture of marriage! I think marriage should be outlawed in the eyes of the government. Too many divorces, cost to courts is astounding. You want marriage, do it. No legal bond so I don't have to pay a judge to preside over your divorce.

Since we are discussing polygamy here. I live near a polygamy colony, I went to high school with the kids from this colony. I don't really care what they do up there, because I think that it isn't my business just like gay marriage. This is what I do care about, this group lives on church land so they pay no property taxes which is how our public schools are paid for. When you have half of the school population coming from this group and none are paying into the school that becomes a problem. The other issue I have is that they do not have the legal right to marry more than one woman so they have one legal wife and the rest they are married to within their church not within the law. So....these women who are actually married start having children but since their marriage isn't legal in the eyes of the law, they look like single mothers with handfuls of children so they are all on welfare. Like I said, I don't care what they want to do, but when they are scr@wing over the tax payers right and left in a very rural area, I DO have a problem with that. Our schools and welfare programs just can't handle it.

So Romney is personally opposed to same sex marriage but would let each state decide how to deal with the issue. Where is the problem with that? Don't even try convince me this attitude is one iota different than Odumbo's stand. Contrary to what he said yesterday, there is no doubt in my mind that Romney and Odumbo are in lock step on the issue, the only difference is Biden opened his yap and forced his boss to take a stand, a stand I do not believe is heart felt at all, but done for political expediency, which is the driving motivation for everything Odumbo does.

Sorry Beverly,

But people like you, Obama, Holder, Sharpton, JJ are examples of why racism are so rampant in this country. Have any of you even 'shed a tear' for the white folks that have been mobbed and had the crap beat out of them since Trayvon? Have any of you thought about how the media and politicians spun the whole trayvon thing out of control to stoke the racial fires? Hell, the media showed editted videos and played editted 911 calls multiple times just get you all pissed off. Here's a thought... since black vs black violence is the worst in the country, why don't you look in your own back yard and fix your own sh*t instead of blaming it on us whites? Us whites weren't around during the slavery times, you weren't around during the slavery times. I personally don't give a rats ass what color you are, it doesn't matter to me, because I don't base anything on race. YOU are the one with the race problem. Get the hell over it. The democratic politicians and liberal media have all of you so snowed over all of this it's just pathetic.

Only when people get past what color they are, and what color other people are, will we be past racism. I'm past it... so what's your problem?

It's tough to understand the controversy. In reality the number 1 cause of divorce is marriage. The number 1 reason for the end of a marriage is divorce. So perhaps either marriage or divorce should be illegalized? I don't see gays as a threat.

Please, Please do this. Condi and Bushie are joined at the hip. It also ties in to the fact that Romney has picked GW Bush's foreign policy team from the first administration. We all know and remember the wonderful decisions and outcomes from this winning team.

All4Areason

Let's get Condoleezza Rice for VP!

She will dust Joe Biden in a debate.

No, All4Areason

She will ensure an Obama/Biden re-election.

She will remind everyone of the failed Bush policies, That lying heifer defended and espoused Bush 's lies on Iraq.

Condeeliar? Everyone knows what a useless tool that woman is.

The Isrealis even had a joke about what a useless person she was.

All4Areason - Condi can't run for VP. All of her little actions as Secretary of State would be brought up and she can't afford that. She admits the Bush administration was warned ahead of 9/11 that we would be attacked through our own airlines but they decided not to tell the airlines because "they didn't know exactly how the attack would be carried out or if it was credible."

She was told by the CIA that the metal tubes found in Iraq could not be used for chemical warfare but decided to dismiss that fact when putting together their report. Decided it wasn't credible.

Talk about not credible - that would be Condi Rice!

Obama/Biden 2012

Republicans should really avoid anyone associated with Bush Jr. with a ten foot poll. He and his staff and his policies were on the whole failures.

Same Sex Marriage

Personally my dear, I just don't give a damn.

I don't see why a married couple, heterosexual or otherwise affects my daily life so why should I get my undies in a knot?

Condoleeza Rice took it on the chin for Bush, that much is true but she never backed down from any other diplomats. She has had the experience of dealing in foreign affairs that Mitt desperately needs and has the qualification to be president if need be:

Academic, Republican politician. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama. The only child of a Presbyterian minister and a teacher, Rice grew up surrounded by racism in the segregated South. She earned her bachelor's degree in political science from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She joined Stanford University as a political science professor in 1981. In 1993, she was the first woman and first African American to become a Stanford provost, a post she held for six years.

Anyone else that could match her? Not even Hillary.

Why is it on any story involving our worthless president fiesty always has the first comment? Has anyone else figured this one out? I know I have. What does this have to say about MSNBC and it's democratic leadership? Can you say political favoritism in half-baked journalism?

Comment author avatarG A Custer

Condoleeza Rice took it on the chin for Bush, that much is true but she never backed down from any other diplomats. She has had the experience of dealing in foreign affairs that Mitt desperately needs and has the qualification to be president if need be

As opposed to Monica who took it on the dress for Clinton?

Amazing how you libbies actually praise your man who can't even stand up to his own convictions. He just tests the winds, send out his flunky to test the water, then goes whichever way he thinks will keep him in the throne room. Although, it's no surprise, it's how he rolls. Whichever way benefits HIM. Pathetic....

G A Custer

Condoleezza Rice

She earned her bachelor's degree in political science from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Phd. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She joined Stanford University as a political science professor in 1981.

What good does any of that do when she is complicit in destroying this nation? I will give her credit for all of her accomplishments and sophistication. However, it becomes null and void because she licks boots, in essence, it makes / made her devolve into the role of a fool.

Everyone says the government is involved in our lives to much. My question is why is the government in peoples bedrooms. Who gives a flip what a persons sexual preference is. Gay or straight. This does not change nor effect my life. I'm just saying. People quit being holier than thou.

Condi will never serve as VP. She was never a politician to begin with and I think she's made it pretty clear that she has no interest in becoming a politician.

Condoleezza Rice for Republican VP candidate!

Are you a joke? It's bad enough that Mitt's policies will mirror Dubya's, but to suggest someone who served him faithfully for eight years be on the ticket? And I thought Palin was a bad idea.

winemaker-5901072

Over 100 years ago, the US had a slavery issue, but most people, except for Bev the racist from Chicago, have moved on from this. Since the time of FDR the progressives have attempted to change the nation with their entitlement programs, helping to poor to stay on the plantation. Like those crazy French, if we spend more, we will have more. Right

Wrong, winemaker

You don't know W-T-F you are talking about. If any one is a racist it is you. Are you the same poster who wants to seek justice for Zimmerman; the guy who murdered Trayvon Martin in cold blood?

The only black fools who think they got over racism are the ones who go on FOX NOISE and kiss ass like slave catchers Allen West and Herman Cain, concubine Angel McGowan, insane Mike Myers, Jesse Peterson who praises god for being enslaved by white; and any other black fool who is afraid to speak up for himself and his people being mistreated.

We have organizations who fight for freedom, justice, and equality for not just blacks but all people as well such as the NAACP, the Lawyers Committee, ACLU, Rainbow Push, National Action Network etc.

But, you have the KKK, racist Teabaggers, white militia groups, Arizona GOV. Jane Brew, who,, btw still haven't gotten over racism. Plus, they give Americans and immigrants a bigger protocol headache!

Yeah Sure Pick Condi!!!

Amazing how you libbies actually praise your man who can't even stand up to his own convictions. He just tests the winds, send out his flunky to test the water, then goes whichever way he thinks will keep him in the throne room.

Mitt Romney reiterated his opposition to same-sex marriage on Wednesday but declined to condemn President Obama's endorsement of gay marriage, noting the sensitivity of the issue.

There ya' go, Aggie. Now that's someone who's testing the wind.

@Beverly in Chicago, last I heard, Herman Cain, Angel McGowan and others you have listed weren't calling for blacks to "rise up" and "fight back against the white man". Isn't this the tone of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

In any case, @All4AReason, you're an idiot. Condolezza Rice was nothing more than a token person of color and gender in the Bush administration. She's intelligent, I'll give you that, but I can't imagine she's got alot of wits when she still is defending Bush's actions in the latter half of his presidency. No, we're better off with her sidelined, permanently.

All4areason: I think Condi would have a LOT of explaining to do regarding her testimony before the 911 Commission! Besides, why would she want to be part of a losing team with Gov. Robme???

Herman Cain, Angel McGowan and others you have listed weren't calling for blacks to "rise up" and "fight back against the white man". Isn't this the tone of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

Uh, no. I've never ever heard of or seen anywhere in print where either of these men stated that. If you have something, please share it with us. Although they can be annoying, the mission of both is to check and thwart racism toward blacks. The knock on them is that they aren't diverse which I can somewhat agree upon. But I've never heard of them advocating violence.

@tonybeeerm, Romney is not "testing the wind." He's had his position on gay marriage for some time now. Obama, on the other hand, up to yesterday had been saying his position is "still evolving." He's had over three years and multiple debates (some of which took place in my dear California) to evolve his decision. If Romney were "testing the wind" he'd be more on the fence about it and only saying states should determine their stance on this issue. Instead he is, and this article says it several times, REITERATING his stance on this issue. This play by Obama, supporting gay marriage, is simply setting him against Mitt Romney, the "presumptive Republican candidate" as MSNBC puts it here.

This article is nothing more than a continued bash on Republicans and the right wing and an outcry of support for Democrats and the left wing. In fact, Romney is right about one thing, this shouldn't be an issue on the national level. This issue is up to the states to determine.

Same sex marriage is not an issue that will bring me out to the poles to vote one way or another. Honestly though I don't see any point opposing same sex marriage. I am for a more trimmed down government and as such I don't think the government should be involved in the bed room. If same sex couples want to get married that is up to them not me.

Pretty hard for Romney to say anything on marriage considering all of his great great grandfathers had plural marriages. As did his great grandfathers. Marriage should be between one man and one woman and another woman and another woman and another woman,and another woman and another woman and another woman and another woman and another woman and another woman and another woman and another woman. All according to god's law! The prophet said so!

On April 4, 2008, Senator Barack Obama, speaking on the 40th anniversary of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, declared:

"Dr. King once said that the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends towards justice. It bends towards justice, but here is the thing: it does not bend on its own. It bends because each of us in our own ways put our hand on that arc and we bend it in the direction of justice...."

President Obama did the right thing by supporting gay marriage.

So get out there and vote for him!!

Beverly in Chicago, you wrote:

We have organizations who fight for freedom, justice, and equality for not just blacks but all people as well such as the NAACP, the Lawyers Committee, ACLU, Rainbow Push, National Action Network etc.

But, you have the KKK, racist Teabaggers, white militia groups, Arizona GOV. Jane Brew, who,, btw still haven't gotten over racism. Plus, they give Americans and immigrants a bigger protocol headache!

This is so beautifully written, it almost brought tears to my eyes. What a dramatic way to demonstrate the difference between the parties.

Feisty, you have a great way of turning a phrase, and explaining things clearly.

While I am a happily married heterosexual woman, I think I could fall in love with you two! Oh, probably not in the homosexual way, but as dear friends who share much of the same ideology as I do. And yes, I do firmly believe in love between men and love between women. They are not always "gay" relationships, but sometimes display some of the finer acts of love among friends.

Thanks for being there and writing so articulately.

A Perfect Chaos

@Beverly in Chicago, last I heard, Herman Cain, Angel McGowan and others you have listed weren't calling for blacks to "rise up" and "fight back against the white man". Isn't this the tone of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

Considering Revs Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are both following in the footsteps of Dr. MLK and the other FOX NOISE lackeys I mentioned aren't; I'll let you decide.

Here are just a few of Dr. King's quotes of the way he lived his life as he marched for freedom which is exactly what Revs Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do. Yes, Dr king was just as maligned as these 2 ; and even gave his life so all people could be accepted in the realm of humanity and togetherness.

“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”
― Martin Luther King Jr., I Have a Dream: Writings and Speeches That Changed the World

“There comes a time when silence is betrayal.”

“It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can stop him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

Discrimination is a hellhound that gnaws at Negroes in every waking
moment of their lives to remind them that the lie of their inferiority is
accepted as truth in the society dominating them.
Martin
Luther King, Jr.

“I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state sweltering in the heat of injustice and oppression, will one day be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

"Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice.
Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood.”
― Martin Luther King Jr., I Have a Dream: Writings and Speeches That Changed the World

“I have a dream that one day little black boys and girls will be holding hands with little white boys and girls.”
― Martin Luther King Jr., I Have A Dream

“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

====================================================

Which is worse, a genuine racist or one who panders to racists for votes like Romney does? Neither Revs Al or Jackson do.

Don't forget Rev Jackson was on the balcony when Dr. King was assassinated. I have yet to hear either of these 2 men call for assassinations. Have you?

Kirigami

Beverly in Chicago

This is so beautifully written, it almost brought tears to my eyes. What a dramatic way to demonstrate the difference between the parties.

Feisty, you have a great way of turning a phrase, and explaining things clearly.

While I am a happily married heterosexual woman, I think I could fall in love with you two! Oh, probably not in the homosexual way, but as dear friends who share much of the same ideology as I do. And yes, I do firmly believe in love between men and love between women. They are not always "gay" relationships, but sometimes display some of the finer acts of love among friends.

Thanks for being there and writing so articulately.

Kirigami,

I am truly appreciate it and I think my Feisty would be too. Thank you; I try to live my life by the things I say and do. Believe me, I could love you just as much.

We do not have to love one another physically to express how much we care . In my profession, I was tremendously moved spiritually by the LGBT patients I cared for. Never in my life had I seen so much love and commitment for human beings as I did with those afflicted by the HIV virus.

It was such an extraordinary experience to be there with all the love and warmth that existed in those couples, their families; particularly their children.

I am extremely grateful we have a President who spoke from his heart about his transformation rather than any political pandering as some exclaimed. That was a long journey for him as we saw.

I understood President Obama's evolution perfectly because I been there.

Again, thank you

"I'll be better than Ted for Gay's Rights"

- Mitt Romney, 1994

tonybeeerm... I don't see anything in Romney's comment that looks like he's "evolving" or has changed his conviction. He knows this is NOT a one issue election, why waste time arguing about what Obama (sorta)said.

Kirigami

Thank you for your kind words!

{{{hugs}}} to you my new friend!

Obama is after the wealthy campaign donors that think same sex marriage is an important issue and nothing else. How funny is it that Obama is blaming his kids, Malia and Sasha for this evolution. Obama has got to blame someone. Obama could careless which way this wind blows, just so long as his campaign gets funded and he gets re-elected. Then as Obama so aptly put it, this is his last election after which he will have more flexibility.

The more flexibility will show everyone where Obama truly stands, and there will be plenty of people, special interest groups, and countries tossed under the bus when or if his re-election happens. This is another non issue, a distraction from the lack of an Obama record, and not something he can do anything about on his own. It certainly does not help the economy, or bring back jobs, but no surprise it is front page news in the mainstream media.

Well at least he is not flip-flopping on something for a change.

Aggie, you say, "Amazing how you libbies actually praise your man who can't even stand up to his own convictions."

I don't vote for a politician based on their personal "convictions". I vote for someone who will allow ME to live MY life the way I think I should. President Obama is doing just that. You go ahead and vote for the GOP "convictions" and watch your liberties be stripped away.

That's really ironic jimsepa when this administration has done more to strip away our liberties than any other administration. Give him another four years, and you'll see what I'm talking about, he has a plan and he's been executing it behind your back.

Aggie-345886

Amazing how you libbies actually praise your man who can't even stand up to his own convictions. He just tests the winds, send out his flunky to test the water, then goes whichever way he thinks will keep him in the throne room. Although, it's no surprise, it's how he rolls. Whichever way benefits HIM. Pathetic....

Are you kidding me? This coming from a Mitt "etch-a-sketch" Romney supporter? ...ROFLMAO!!

The elephant in the room is what homosexual couples do in the privacy of their homes. The conservative religious (whether GOP or Democrat) know (or suspect) that homosexual couples engage in sexual activity they believe is sinful and condemned by biblical religious tradition.

The issue is not really the rights of homosexual couples, it is their practices condemned in the bible. With all due respect to the Christian Faithful, legislation based on the Bible is no more desirable than legislation based on the Koran, the teaching of Buddha, Shintoism or Hinduism.

Monogamous heterosexual marriage is not a natural human condition. There are many cultures not adherents to the Bible or Koran that independently developed variations of monogamy, polygamy and concubines. Not to mention Western cultures that tolerate mistresses.

The GOP understandably wishes to use Christian tradition as legal precepts. However, the USA is made up of of many cultures and many religions, all of whom are guaranteed freedom from oppression by majority religious beliefs.

In other words, the elephant in the room is an elephant that has no right to be in the room, in anyone's room. The preachy elephant likes to talk about the government not interfering with anyone's private life, and yet it very much likes to be there to tell people who to have sex with. Sorry, but I'm not having it.

I can find at least 100 quotes in the Bible that show that Jesus would undoubtedly support universal healthcare, higher taxes for the rich, or myriad things that the GOP is strongly opposed to. If they think the government is not big enough to do right by society in ways that Jesus not only approved but actively promoted, then the government is not big enough to use Christian teachings (which should in no way dictate how the government acts in the first place) as a precept to tell people how they should conduct their sexual lives.

You pretty much nailed it, Loyaltexan, when you said that legislation based on the Bible is no more desirable than legislation based on the principles of any other religion.

Andres

I referred to the metaphor of the elephant in the traditional sense but I found it clever that you extended it to the "other" elephant.

Loyaltexan: Just to throw this out there, the Christian Bible's stance on homosexuality is worded equally, within Leviticus, to it's stance on not eating ham, not shaving your beard, and a long laundry list of mundane "abominations" that have no bearing on modern life.

Christians pick and choose what they want to believe is "against God."

JC- You are very correct, though we do have some strict believers in the word of God and most call them extremist!! I call them the least hypocritical of believers!!! And on a Mormon note, (which I am not Mormon) I can see polygamy being needed in a christian society in which there are more women than men, as a womans purpose is to assist in procreation and can not according to Christians, procreate without a man, whom she is given to by a man of god. So those who do not believe in polygamy I pose the question of, if women outnumbered men on our planet, how does a woman do her duty if all the men are taken!!!???

Holy crap (literally) TexasFighterGal...you've just reduced women to "breeding stock". You really seem to take that whole chattel thing seriously! I do hope that was satire.

Elaine, you have Obama confused with Romney!

Romney will get back to you. He has to check the polls. If it's popular enough, it could become his idea.

Um...he just took a stand.

Finally a president secure enough with his sexual orientation to not feel threatened by gay men..what a concept.

Wonder how confortable Mitten's is with his????

Elaine - everyone is on to your shallow, Rovian-style attempt to take Mittsy's biggest flaw at attach it to the President of the United States. Are you a turd-blossom in training? When do you graduate unto a full-fledged pile??

We've had 3 plus years of that from our President, Mr. Obama.

Excuses and Blame is his game!

Nuf C Nuf !

NO MORE Years

Elaine-1165193

There goes Obama again - flip-flopping because he doesn't have the balls to take a real stand.

Romney has no balls, integrity, or agenda apart from Reagan and the 2 Bushes on steroids. I heard he has no hair too.

That's a toupee according to the rumour.

The more we tie anything to Bush, the better.

Them's the facts, sir.

AS, do you mean he just took a stand for the political gain of the LGBTOT vote?

Gays will not get married in Federal Courts. As in NC, voters have defeated the

desires of the same-sex crowd every time. If getting married is more important

than eating, then vote for the big O.

Since we're still waiting for him to stop the rise of the oceans, how long do you think

it will be until he can proclaim the legality of gay marriage in all 57 states?

franksam it is the republicans that want to follow England down the austerity trail to the rabbit hole of double dipped recessionland. Or aren't you allowed to know about that on faux?

If you are worried about eating I would be voting for a democrat for everything.

franksam,

So it is a choice between gay people marrying and living?

Nice deflection.

There goes Obama again - flip-flopping because he doesn't have the balls to take a real stand.

Elaine, you sweet thing, are you clueless? I would say the President took a real big stand on this issue and it did take some mighty large nads to do so. I'm not so sure that I'm comfortable with it, but I commend him and stand by him all the way. Just one question, did hubby put you up to this?

Guys, really, the whole "all Obama does is blame Bush for everything" business is getting old. Is that really all you hear when you listen to him speak? Then the problem lies with you, not him. I heard him say, "same-sex couples should be able to get married." I didn't hear him say anything about Bush or it being anyone's fault. If anything, it is YOUR fault for being so childish and so blatantly disrupting this country's political discourse. You are as tired and annoying as your hypothetical, made-up president who always parrots the phrase, "It's Bush's fault."

the idea to base government decisions off of religious texts written thousands of years ago is just flat out stupid and offs nothing to the argument and only slows down progress.

also franksam what an absolutely retarded and completely pointless argument! i mean seriously how the hell does gay marriage cause starvation exactly? like seriously wtf!

you just proved my point except you didn't even have to use the bible as a source for your argument you just had to pull some stupid rhetoric out your ass and put it with gay marriage. your like Sanatorum with that whole euthanasia in Netherlands crap.

You libs can relax, the messiah has spoken. He has not flipped flopped he has evolved. If this man told you people that he was going to walk in the ocean and wanted you to follow you would. I know I am a racist, bigot, and all those other name you call because I can see through his crap! Keep following fools.

dogs80, for a guy who feels so strongly against name-calling, you sure like to call names.

Had Obama that gays are not allowed to form a union of the same legal stature (how you call it is a different story) as us heterosexuals, then I would criticize him for being a bigot and a hypocrite and assailing people's liberties. But he didn't do that. You, on the other hand, look just like the kind of person who would trash Obama even if he cured cancer and discovered a source of infinite energy.

Lurchz

Romney will get back to you. He has to check the polls. If it's popular enough, it could become his idea.

He's not checking the polls...he's asking Grover Norquist...and Charles and David Koch...and the Kato Institute...and Americans for Prosperity (ops...I already mentioned the Koch brothers).

Pretty sure it's "or something." What that "something" is never gets explained however...

I need a paxil - that's okay. After November he'll have lots of free time to do whatever he pleases.

Obama/Biden 2012

For you! For us he's fine.

Guess you want your freebies.

Guess you want your freebies.

If by freebies, you mean FREEDOM to marry whoever you want, then yes they want their freebies.

So I take it you Lulu are in favor of large government controlling peoples decisions and banning por restricting freedoms, i guess that your choice.

Us liberals will take a small government that allows citizens to make their own choices and enter their own contracts...

Joe the Electrician....I believe that the President thought long and hard about the issue and changed his mind for whatever reason. It may cost him some votes or he may gain some. Either way, like any normal citizen, he should be able to amend his position. Romney though can't afford to change his because he's already flip-flopped so much that he'd loose all credibility. But worse, his cult would throw him out, the people that he has and always will answer to. Mormons are to secretive to let the rest of the world know what it is that they are doing. You think you'd get any kind of transparency from him? Anyone the believes someone found some gold tablets a hundred years ago under a bush that told him to start a new religion is just as wack as Jimmy Jones. Romey has values? What a joke. This man moved his fortune off shore. I guess not having loyalty to your country and only to your money is to be considered a value now too.

This opinion is not directed at you but rather all the homophobics in this country and world; as for the LBGT...everyone needs to keep out of their bedrooms. It's none of our business. There is NO reason why they shouldn't be afforded the same rights as other MEN and WOMEN. I bet for every reason you can give me I have a counter argument. Do they inflict ang harm on you other than bother your small mindedness?

joe the electrican

each to ones own.. but iwill say this... obama is fake and only backing gay marriage because he wants to be relected. romney on the other hand stands behind his word and values... look at the whole picture people.. vote out obama hes no good for the us

and the only reason ROMNEY and the rest of those GOP clowns are against Gay Marriage is to get the backing of the Christian Right. Obama is doing this for the right reasons, I believe he stands on equal rights for all Americans.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012.

As opposed to that religion that is based on a woman miraculously conceiving a child. Nothing wacky there.

Joe the electrician - I think it is the other way around. From his acceptance speech to now, Obama has always supported gay rights. Romney is weak on the subject because he could lose over this but this is what got him elected Governor. Also I feel Romney doesn't care he just wants to keep his base happy. He's a business man first and the gay vote (and market are important to him. He's going to flip if he wants to win.

Joe: If you look at the bigger picture, taking a stand on any hot button social or religious issue alienates entire groups of people. In this case, religious independents.

I'm not even going to get started on you saying Romney is sticking to anything out of principle, because thats just laughable. Romney would suddenly pledge support for pregnant cat juggling if it were popular amongst Republicans.

If you're against gay marriage, don't marry a gay person. It's no more complicates than that. End of story. This is the biggest non issue of the election.

Joe, I highly doubt that Obama did this for votes. What were LGBT going to do? Vote for Romney? Yeah right.

Kerry wants to take him windsurfing next time he rubs elbows with his fellow 1%er's on Martha's Vineyard

All4...So you can provide us documented proof of your outrage every SINGLE time Romney flips? Do you keep a daily register? Do you really want to compare President Obama to Mittsy when it comes to making a 180 degree flip on any given subject to which he's has had an opinion?

To each their own. I, however, would feel extremely dirty attempting to defend a scum-bag like Romney. You have my pity.

It is easy to find all Mitts flip flops and lies. Simply go to: The Maddow Blog , under Mitts Mendacities.

Ordinarily I would not consider a candidate's religion in voting. After all, we know that the Catholic Church is opposed to birth control and to divorce, yet the majority of American Catholics cheerfully ignore that. There is a huge difference however in the case of the LDS. The political positions the Church takes are the law of the land for the faithful. There is no way that Mr. Romney would be able to take a public opinion that differs from the official Church policy on something like same sex marriage. I don't question the right of Mormons to have this belief or to compel their members to obedience on it. I don't particularly want to give them the right to impose their religious values on me or on the rest of the country, however. Of course, I will say that applies to the Fundamentalist Christians as well. I am not convinced that God has deputized any of them to speak on His behalf...

i agree with all the statements above.. as for the statement whether obama is not good for me but good for you.. lmfao.. hes bad for our country just like the rest of the good ol boys and most politicians. and again each to ones own. ALL politicains just need to be honest with the people and themselves... stop this bull@!$%# and just do what they were elected to do. our counrty is in bad shape and bringing an issue like gay marriage is skirting the real problems of our country. that is not an important topic to be dealing with atm. what about JOBS, GAS , POVERTY, HMMM OUR OWN PEOPLE STRUGGLING TO JUST SURVIVE! but again we will chase the gay marriage issue instead... this counrty is f!$%#ed up and confused...

Apparently it is going to take a few hours for All4 to compile the extensive list of Mittsy's flips....just from today!!

Cal USA thank you. And what the Fundamentalist Christians are also Forgetting is Mitt Romney does have to balance The country and the Mormon leaders once in office. The LDS has a huge power base in this country. And the world.

Mormons and other Christians are not the same.

I'm with Shocked on this one, and its going to continue to be entertaining to watch Republicans and / or those who dislike Obama to try and suck the lemon that is arguing Romney's record. The GOP voted in a terrible candidate.

Jack

ALL of their candidates this year were terrible.

Yes, progressive, they were all horrible. You do have to admit, however, that they perfectly represented the best of the best of what the Republican party has become. They got what they deserve and now they have nothing but hate, lies and deceit to campaign on. Mittsy is definitely their "man".

Sure, it's actually pretty simple.

Truly traditional marriage was a property arrangement, i.e. the wife was the property of the husband. It was predicated on gender-inequality, that men are superior to women and should have dominion over them. In that context, same-sex marriage makes little sense. If a man's ability to own a woman is a result of gender, then can a man own another man or a woman another woman? How would you know which partner was dominant and which subservient? (Incidentally, this same understanding underpins traditional polygamy - if a wife is property of her husband, then it makes sense that a man can have many wives, but that a wife cannot have multiple husbands.)

Marriage has, in recent decades, been redefined as a union of equals. In this context, barring same-sex marriage makes little sense. If both parties are equal, if men and women are equal, then why limit the unions to only opposite-sex couples?

That is the threat. Accepting same-sex marriage means recognizing marriage as a union of equals and therefore recognizing the equality of the sexes. That is the tradition at stake here which the conservatives are defending so vigorously. Just don't call it a "war on women." They're really only at war with women's equality.

Very interesting insight Nathan. It is so clear a concept, but you have conveyed it far more eloquently than I've seen in the past.

Nathan - well done!

An informed and very eloquent argument. Kudos Nathan!

I should note here that this is not an original argument. It was presented, essentially, as part of Justice Vaughn Walker's judgement that CA Prop 8 was unconstitutional. And the religious right, led by Phyllis Schlafly, has made the same argument in reverse in their opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment, arguing that if they guarantee gender equality in the constitution, then they would have to recognize same sex marriage as a result. I actually agree with Schlafly on this point, and that's a very rare thing, though we are still on opposite sides since she openly opposes equality.

Great post, Nathan. They want it to stay "a man's world". Ain't gonna happen.

Nathan great post but I would like to add that we aren't protecting the institute of marriage we are protecting churches.

It's like being offended because you see someone eating a doughnut while you're on a diet.

I think that is also why he believes in self-deportation is because that is what his family did. They moved to Mexico to avoid American laws.

I think the magic underwear is the most humorous of the Mormon cult practices.

But, it is not Romney's religion that I am against. I am against his lack of religion. Romney is for the Rubio/Ryan budget which the catholic priests have called out for being cruel and unusual punishment to the poor of our country.

Romney in his own words said he didn't care about the poor, but he sure cares about more money for himself and his rich friends even if the poor do starve.

VOTE FOR AMERICA...,VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT 2012

and his name is mispelled,its really Romoney. and ''willard''? wasnt that a rat?

And as an independent, Obama just guaranteed mine, and many other, votes who were waiting for him to STOP being such a moderate.

Is your horse gay?

Your horse is a fully functioning thinking adult who can agree to marry you?

Hey Ace - that's beastiology not gay.

I believe the word you were looking for is "BEASTIALITY".

I here Obama is evolving on beastiality as well since it looks like he will now need the horse vote.

There you go.

If gay marriage was legal, that conservative would be hard-pressed not to marry their horses.

You heard it here first, folks.

So, from the thread above, it seems that one fellow thinks that the only thing preventing him from marrying another dude is the gay-discrimination laws...and another thinks the only thing preventing him from marrying a beast is the gay-discrimination laws...

Where's Springer when you need him!?

Hmmm, I wonder what level of depression and self loathing someone must be at to equate another human being and fellow AMERICAN to a horse...pathetic really

Last time I checked, horses won't copulate with pigs.....

I guess that scratches yet another species off ace's list of possibilities.

aceofhearts1 - if you horse can enter into a legally binding agreement and sign on the dotted line then you can marry your horse. However my guess is your horse will say "no thanks" and move along to some really cute mare who will, of course, have more intelligence.

Quick Quiz: Why can't you marry your horse?

(I know the reason and just wanted to see who else knows.)

Da Noid - the horse would say "neigh." Sorry - just had to go there!

Da Noid - the horse would say "neigh." Sorry - just had to go there!

My name is Da Noid and I approve of that message!!!

john-1818658 then your reading comprehension skills are clearly deficient.

I didn't see "cow" mentioned once in the article.

Am I the only one getting creeped out by the right wing fascination with having sex with animals? I think Freud would recommend that they all avoid the barnyard.

Shocked

Seems like some kind of subliminal suppression going on.

I just got a vision of some overweight, unintelligent white guy with tea bags stapled to his forehead, staggering through a back alley with wild Michelle Bachman eyes, crying, "Here kitty kitty kitty...."

That is ridiculous, no one is advocating marrying FREAKIN ANIMALS!!!!

Why are Republicans so obsessed with bestiality? From their obsession regarding gay marriage, it's clear that the only reason they are married to members of the opposite sex is because gay marriage is illegal in may states. How else would it "endanger marriage"?

Did you even read the article? Didn't think so.

Politically, Mr. Romney has a conundrum. Polls indicate over 50% support for equal access to the rights and benefits of marriage, but his political base simply will not allow him to express any support for such access.

Right, you are going with the guy who think corporations deserve equal rights, just people don't.

I am glad someone with the intelligence of Mr. the trees are just the right height gets your vote just like he was going to get all along.

How exactly did Obama sell out on health care?

How did Obama gain more votes doing this?? If he isn't gaining votes then how is it selling out?

Raddave, Minoki - Don't ask a Republican for a rational answer...its like mud wrestling a pig. You only get dirty and the pig likes it.

I think you have always been a Romney voter.

Nah, I don't think he was.

But I do think he's feeling a bit let-down over the mandate instead of the single-payer option.

But don't chop off your nose to spite your face, man. That's all I'm saying.

your vote is yours, but seriously...looking over your posting history...one party is at least trying to help you out :)

Obama was never for the single payer option.

raddave. ah but you are mistaken. When Obama met with Boehner and McConnell he was reminded by them that the Republican universal health care bill introduced by Sen. Dole in 1979 contained a mandate and participation of the private health insurance sector and if Obama wanted any Republican support for his health care bill he needed both in the bill.

So, Obama, naive as he was then, and eager to work with Republicans, put the mandate and private insurance provision in. And lo and behold not one Republican voted for it.

Obama learned and learned well. Never trust a Republican at the bargaining table.

Rob: THANK YOU! I wondered if anyone else picked up on that!! Who the heck wrote this article, and wasn't it proofread by anyone?!? That's a rather large boo-boo!

I agree it was a pretty big oversight...but I would think you righties would take it as a blessing any time the drunk tan guy can be left out of a conversation.

No,,, but she will be soon! Oh, by the way, MSNBC doesn't proofread.

If you think we're going to run out of people you need to do a little homework on overpopulation!

Aha!

So it IS a population control issue and nothing to do with genital preference!

I thought so!!!

NWO

If you are concerned about stabilizing the population, simply allow homosexual couples to adopt otherwise unwanted infants which could reduce the abortion rate.

We are talking about the evangelicals, here. I think their dogs have more rights then their women do.

Best post of the year!!!!!!!!

The difference is we are talking about a legal agreement between 2 tax-paying US citizens. Why do you care? It has no effect on you personally. They just want equal rights.

Obama has endless dinners at the White House, plus the correspondent's dinner inviting all of the Hollywood elite to dine at the tax payer's expense. Cracking jokes like he is Chris Rock, thinking he is all that. Michelle in her $20,000 designer gown smiling and lapping up the attention. Not even Reagan and Nancy had more dinners with the Hollywood set than these two. Michelle Obama is well known for hating dinners that are given for our troops because she finds them boring. However, roll out George Clooney et al and it is a different story. The Democrats care as much about the American people as the Republicans do. There are more wealthy Democratic Senators than Republican Senators. If you don't believe me look it up. This country is stuck between the Devil and the deep blue sea.

Julia - how do you look in the mirror with the lies you post? First, the Obama's have had no more dinners at the White House than any other President. Michelle Obama look beautiful and, as most other First Lady's, had costly gowns which SHE pays for. So the Obama's have the Hollywood set at the White House - your point? Your comment about Michelle Obama hating the dinners with the troops is a total and disgraceful lie. She and Jill Biden do more for our troops than any other First Lady and VP's wife - ever - and they love doing it. You are a damned liar but let me guess, you probably call yourself a Christian too, right? Your despicable!

So what if there are more wealthy Democratic Senators than Republican ones? That's absolutely true but none of them are complaining about the possibility of being taxed more. Again - what's your stupid point you damned liar?

Not only seeking sanity in the GOP but also integrity and clearly as Julia shows - the GOP has neither! Julia you are utter filth!

Oops "you're despicable," not your!

I am guessing but do you think the democrats passed the Ryan budget? I remember the democrats stopping that bill last year to only have the republicans pass it again.

That bill takes from the poorest and the neediest of our nation and even takes from our wounded veterans to give to the rich and increases the deficit to do it.

One party does care more for America. Democrats are at least willing to talk about jobs, but it is a total no-go if any plan involves one cent from the rich as that is the only people republicans care about.

Then there is the republican drive to take over women's reproductive rights. Want to lose your rights then vote for a republican especially in the state where you live.

Yeah, right, like there is no difference.

VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Julia, the White House Correspondents' dinner is an annual event put on by the White House Correspondents' Association. It is not paid for by taxpayers. It always has celebrities there. At least Obama wasn't looking under the podium for those missing WMDs.

SeekingSanity: I am so delighted to see Hollywood stepping up to the plate for President Obama's campaign. Hollywood has always been a place full of progressives who care about our country and the world. Having George Clooney, et al around for this campaign is exhilarating.

They are good solid citizens who give so much back. More than we will ever know.

They are the real deal when it comes to issues facing us all. I'm thrilled to have them on board. Thrilled.

They have always been ahead of the rest of us.

Andrew61....THIS shows Romney's "true face".

On Romney's character....

Sometimes, this facet of Romney’s personality isn’t so subtle. In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared. She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy.

Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was. Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter. Romney set up a command center at the LaGuardia Marriott and hired a private detective firm to assist with the search. He established a toll-free number for tips, coordinating the effort with the NYPD, and went through his Rolodex and called everyone Bain did business with in New York , and asked them to help find his friend’s missing daughter. Romney’s accountants at Price Waterhouse Cooper put up posters on street poles, while cashiers at a pharmacy owned by Bain put fliers in the bag of every shopper. Romney and the other Bain employees scoured every part of New York and talked with everyone they could prostitutes, drug addicts anyone.

That day, their hunt made the evening news, which featured photos of the girl and the Bain employees searching for her. As a result, a teenage boy phoned in, asked if there was a reward, and then hung up abruptly. The NYPD traced the call to a home in New Jersey , where they found the girl in the basement, shivering and experiencing withdrawal symptoms from a massive ecstasy dose. Doctors later said the girl might not have survived another day.

Romney's former partner credits Mitt Romney with saving his daughter's life, saying, "It was the most amazing thing, and I’ll never forget this to the day I die."

So, here's my epiphany: Mitt Romney simply can’t help himself. He sees a problem, and his mind immediately sets to work solving it, sometimes consciously, and sometimes not-so-consciously. He doesn't do it for self-aggrandizement, or for personal gain. He does it because that's just how he’s wired.

Many people are unaware of the fact that when Romney was asked by his old employer, Bill Bain, to come back to Bain & Company as CEO to rescue the firm from bankruptcy, Romney left Bain Capital to work at Bain & Company for an annual salary of one dollar.

When Romney went to the rescue of the 2002 Salt Lake Olympics, he accepted no salary for three years, and wouldn't use an expense account. He also accepted no salary as Governor of Massachusetts .

Character counts!! (and yes...that's worth reading again!)

Julia-1073949 - Your comments are so full of crap it's scarey. Since President Obama took office, the First Lady has been one of the strongest advocates for military families and military children in this country. Try goggling "Michelle Obama military families". Next time check your facts before your fingers embarrass you.

You sound stupid.

Julia - you ARE stupid!

The Romney supporters certainly are a nasty little bunch, aren't they. Did anyone tell them that you have to be 18 to vote?