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Subscribe to RSSFive reasons Lugar likely loses … The most overwritten story will be impact of the Tea Party … Biden’s gay marriage comments took the White House way off message … Romney continues to struggle with that pivot foot – did he forget how to be a moderate?… Breaking down tonight’s races… Ron Paul’s supporters will be out in droves at convention.
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Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, speaks with reporters off the Senate floor before a series of votes, Tuesday, April 24, 2012, on Capitol Hill.
*** Five reasons Lugar likely loses: Bob Bennett’s loss in 2010 should have been a wake-up call for every longtime senator. And it was for several -- Orrin Hatch saw the Tea Party freight train coming, but fought back early and often and looks likely to win another term. But the message didn’t apparently get to the man who came into office the same year as Hatch – Richard Lugar (R-IN), who’s expected to see his career come to an end today with a loss a GOP primary today to state Treasurer Richard Mourdock. There are five reasons we point to: (1) Residency and outreach: Lugar hasn’t lived in Indiana for years and wasn’t able to say what address was on his driver’s license. Mourdock exploited it. And Lugar didn’t do enough outreach with local GOP establishment or Tea Party leaders. Lugar disputes that, telling NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell: “I've been perfectly connected all the way along. It’s a ridiculous charge. How can anybody be more Hoosier? I've got a farm out here that I continue to work with my sons. I manage it on behalf of our family. I'm in touch every week with everybody in the state, usually on the ground with visits but with our staffs, trying to meet almost every challenge of individual Hoosiers or groups.”
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd talks about the vote on gay marriage in North Carolina, whether Sen. Dick Lugar's political career will reach its end on Tuesday and who Scott Walker's primary opponent will be in Wisconsin.
*** Other reasons: (2) Ignoring the recent past: Last year, Republicans walked Lugar through what went wrong with Bennett, Lisa Murkowski, and Mike Castle. And what went right with John McCain -- no favorite of the Tea Party – who went after opponent J.D. Hayworth early on and never let up. Unfortunately for Lugar, strategists say, the advice was ignored. If you don’t want to change your own stances, then make the alternative unacceptable. McCain made his alternative unacceptable. (3) Campaign: he didn’t have the kind of campaign in place that was necessary to win this kind of race. Hatch and even Olympia Snowe got it, and hired top operatives. Mourdock hired people who’d been there before; (4) Message: “Lugar as statesman” just wasn’t going to get the job done. Movements have short-term memories. Mourdock’s message was simple and effective– “Dick Lugar is a fine man, but 36 years in Washington is long enough, and he’s lost touch with Indiana.”; (5) Candidate: So much of what happens in campaigns, comes from the top. As revered as Lugar is in Washington, he wasn’t able to adapt -- and failed to fully appreciate -- a changing dynamic within his party. Yesterday, for example, he continued to defend earmarks.
NBC's Kelly O'Donnell spoke with Republican Senator Richard Lugar on his current Senate primary race and the political challenges he is facing.
*** The most overwritten story will be the effect of the Tea Party: Mourdock tells NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell that it’s fair to credit the Tea Party with the win, if he pulls it off: “Certainly, it’s fair, because the Tea Party has been very active and without question, they've provided the bulk of the volunteers to this huge grassroots game that we have.” Ideological supporters, like the Club for Growth and Tea Party Express, spent money and organized rallies. But, the fact remains, if Lugar loses, it will be for all the reasons incumbents have lost for a century. There will be a lot written about the Tea Party this and ideology that, but Lugar would have lost, because he made it easy to lose. He made it easy for Mourdock to sell this simple message – one challengers dream of – that he’s gone Washington, and he’s out of touch. Mourdock and the Tea Party made Lugar actually run a campaign. And Lugar, who hasn’t had a political fight in 30 years, wasn’t able to run a modern campaign.
*** Real World Impact: Indiana will be a Senate seat that’s in play for at least a little while. The question is going to be, can Mourdock become Ron Johnson, not Ken Buck? Marco Rubio, not Sharron Angle? Ideologically, Indiana isn’t Delaware, but it’s also not Kentucky. The downside for Mourdock is he’s still not that well known and still more easily definable. The real challenge will be – does he define himself on his own terms or do Democrats take this seriously and try to do it for him? Do Democrats define their own candidate Rep. Joe Donnelly for swing voters before Republicans do it for them? Republicans should be able to hold on here, but it’ll take some work and money early on, and they know it; they learned their own lessons from NV and CO in 2010.
*** What Biden’s gay-marriage comments did: Joe Biden’s off-message comments on Meet the Press on being “absolutely comfortable” with gay marriage basically blew up the president’s roll out this week. Instead of yesterday being about the campaign’s version of a “Morning in America” ad and $25 million campaign to kickoff the reelection, it was about the president looking like he’s going to be the last person in his administration to support gay marriage. Today’s event in Albany is supposed to be designed to highlight job credits the White House wants Congress to enact. But instead the chatter is still about gay marriage. It’s a complete distraction. And yesterday’s White House briefing highlighted the absurdity of the president being against bans on gay marriage (like the one likely to pass today in North Carolina) but not yet being for gay marriage itself. What’s another issue you can think of where someone’s able to be against it, but not for it? It’s a hard position to defend. Just ask Jay Carney.
*** Can Obama stay quiet on the issue for another week? The NBC/WSJ poll showed the country becoming more accepting on this issue since just 2009. Then 41% favored it, 49% opposed. In March, that was reversed with 49% in favor, 40% opposed. It’s close to a majority of the country being comfortable with it, but a significant number of are still against it, including, apparently, in North Carolina, a moderate Southern state Obama won last time and where the Democratic convention will be. For anyone who thought this was some secret plan by the Obama campaign and the White House, just look at what Biden overshadowed. Instead of Obama being able to talk about gay marriage on his own terms, perhaps waiting until after the election, he and his campaign are going to have to make a decision -- look afraid of running on it or worse to be dragged into supporting it? Thursday is the fundraiser with George Clooney. How many folks at that fundraiser will be tempted to confront the president on this issue? Could it be he’s the only person in that room not yet for gay marriage? Awkward timing. The president holds a fundraiser May 14th with Ricky Martin targeting the gay community in New York. Will the president really not be able to say anything on this for the next week? By the way, how much have the politics of this issue changed? So much so that Republicans have said almost NOTHING about this dust up between Biden and Obama. The GOP of eight years ago would have publicly been trying to exploit the issue but today?
*** Where’s the pivot? A woman at a Romney town hall yesterday said President Obama should be tried for treason. Romney said nothing while on stage to correct her or dispute her. It can be debated whether the woman was trying out a bad joke or whatever. What’s not debatable is that Romney just doesn’t have great instincts and that he’s not yet in general-election mode. Another piece of evidence was an exchange with a medical student – one the Obama campaign will push today -- who asked what Romney’s “thoughts on education and financing so that more individuals like myself, who can’t afford it, but still grow up and be the future of America?” Romney’s response: to attack Obama for offering “free stuff” to ramp up support with young voters. He didn’t even attempt to empathize with the student. Romney’s still stuck in primary mode, reflexively only thinking about not offending primary voters instead of swing voters. Whether they like Obama, swing voters don’t like the toxic conversation. When he doesn’t deal with it’s a problem. Charlie Cook writes today: “Having devoted every waking hour for the last year and a half to catering to the carnivores in his party, Romney needs to cut back on the red-meat rhetoric…” Ironically, the criticism from the right during the primary was that he looked like he was too concerned about the middle. Now, he looks like he’s more concerned about primary. It’s like he forgot how to run as a moderate, which of course is why some Republicans got on board in the first place.
*** Two headlines that will make the White House smile: “National gas prices down 7 cents in past 2 weeks,” and “Deficit streak ends: Obama sees first monthly surplus.” On the gas price front, this is a reminder that there’s more wasted energy fighting the politics of gas prices than on doing something about energy.
*** More on Lugar: Lugar, who had a big war chest, outspent everyone with $2.1 million since January. But outside groups -- including the Club for Growth, the National Rifle Association, Citizens United, and Indiana Values – essentially evened the playing field for Mourdock. And all of their ads hammered Lugar, as opposed to most of Lugar’s initial ads, which were positive. The Club for Growth was the largest outside player, swooping in in late March. It increased its spending week by week, and wound up pumping in $1.3 million and outspent Lugar in the last two weeks ($358,000 to $235,000). Lugar had some help – about $546,000 -- from a PAC supporting him, American Action Network, but when it became clear Lugar would likely lose, the PAC dropped its ads. In total, there were about $2.8 million run by Lugar and supporters and $2.6 million run by Mourdock and friends (half of that coming from the Club for Growth). By the way, just look at the list of names of people who were senators in 2008, who are no longer there or retiring: Lugar, Warner, Specter, Gregg, Bennett, Snowe, Hutchison, Gordon Smith, Voinovich, Hagel; Dems: Byrd, Kennedy, Biden, Dodd, Lincoln, Nelson, Clinton. A lot of these names are why the Senate used to be known as the Upper Chamber.
*** 107 delegates at stake in tonight’s primaries: There aren’t enough delegates for Romney to clinch the nomination tonight, but here’s how it works: Indiana’s 27 delegates are winner-take-all per congressional district vote with three at stake per district. North Carolina awards 52 delegates, all of which are proportionally allocated per the statewide vote. And West Virginia awards 28 delegates, which are directly elected off the ballot with their pledged candidate printed next to their names. There is also a statewide preference vote – or “beauty contest” – that does not affect West Virginia’s delegate allocation. Polls close at 7:00pm ET in Indiana and at 7:30pm ET in North Carolina and West Virginia.
*** There will be a lot more Paul supporters at convention than his official tally shows: Ron Paul and his supporters know that it is next to impossible for the Texas Congressman to get the GOP nomination, but that has not stopped their continuing efforts to secure as much influence as possible at the Republican National Convention. Paul supporters have been flooding state conventions in order to influence party leadership elections and fill national delegate slots, including states where most delegates are already pledged to Mitt Romney. In Nevada and Massachusetts, for example, Paul supporters filled at least half of the delegate slots that will travel to Tampa (although many are pledged to cast a nominating vote for Mitt Romney). In Alaska, Iowa, and Maine, Paul supporters swung party leadership elections in their favor. Despite the fact that Romney’s nomination is nearly inevitable, Paul supporters will fill many of the seats on the Tampa convention floor. And even though many Paul supporters may be pledged to vote for Romney as the party nominee, they could throw their weight around on important votes like the Vice Presidential nominee or the party platform. And by inundating state parties with Paul-friendly leaders, they also lay solid foundation for Paul’s ideas and for a future Paul presidential run, whether it is Ron or his son Rand.
*** On the trail: Mitt Romney campaigns at Lansing Community College in Lansing, MI, at 12:35 am ET … President Obama speaks on the economy and manufacturing at SUNY-Albany. In the evening, the president will deliver the keynote address at the Asian Pacific American Institute for Congressional Studies Annual Gala in Washington, DC. … Vice President Biden speaks at a rabbinical convention in Atlanta at 10:45 am ET.
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There are times when
an opportunity literally falls into someone’s lap. Yesterday was one of those
days for Willard.
When confronted with
yet another right wing fanatic tossing around big words of which they have NO
idea of the meaning, Willard caved like a house of cards… AGAIN!
At a town hall event in Ohio this
afternoon, a woman asked Mitt Romney what he would do to roll back the size of
government, and commented that President Obama “should be tried for treason.”
She didn’t explain why Obama had committed treason — which is punishable by
death. Her comments received a big round of applause from the audience.
Romney responded to her question, but
didn’t condemn or acknowledge her comments on treason. Watch it:
While Romney can’t be held
responsible for everything his supporters say, it seems reasonable to expect
him to stand up to the fringe in his party, especially when he’s providing a
platform for their views (it was his microphone, after all).
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) understood
this. At a town hall event in October, 2008, McCain fielded a comment from a
woman who said Obama “is an Arab.” “No ma’am,” McCain said,
shaking his head and taking the microphone from her hand. “He’s a decent,
family man, citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with,” he said,
earning a mix of applause and boos.
This isn’t the first time Romney has
let the fringe push him around. The Romney campaign muzzled, and then accepted the resignation of,
former foreign policy adviser Ric Grennell, who had come under fire from social
conservatives for being openly gay. “How is he going to stand up to Putin? How is
he going to stand up to North Korea if he can be pushed around by a yokel like
me?” asked the man who led the charge against Grennell, American Family
Association spokesman Bryan Fischer.
While
he was apparently unwilling to say it to the woman’s face, when asked if he
agreed with the woman by reporters after the event, Romney said, “No, of course not.”
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/05/07/479577/romney-woman-treason/
What I
find most disturbing about this is, one, it is becoming a pattern, two, if
there was ever the opening for Willard to demonstrate he has an ounce of
leadership skills, this would have been it!
I’m
beginning to believe, Ann carries whatever passes for his balls around in her
clutch!
We must educate our way to a better economy. Making college affordable is the key. Over the past 25 years, the cost of college has gone up 600 per cent.
If Congress doesn't act by July 1, student loan interest rates will double from 3.4 percent to 6.8 percent.
GOP House has already passed a version of a bill that the White House will veto, if it passes the Senate:
GOP proposes paying for a one-year extension of the 3.4% interest rate, by taking money from preventative health care funds in the Affordable Care Act, that provides hundreds of thousands of breast and cervical cancer screenings for women.
Democrats propose to cover the cost by plugging a tax loophole for the wealthy.
Student tuition has sky-rocketed. And for decades, state legislatures have been steadily hacking away at university budgets. The Ryan budget calls for student loan rates to return to 6.8%, and slashes Pell Grants by $170 Billion over the next ten years.
Clearly the GOP vision for higher education is to make university education accessible only to the few who can afford it.
An On-The-Ground Report to Mark Murray:
If poll numbers are close to being accurate, Richard Mourdock will beat Richard Lugar in Indiana's senate race. Probably the main reason Lugar will lose is he spent way too much time in Virginia and too little time in Indiana. Lugar seldom made Lincoln Dinner speeches, and ignored local issues. The Tea Party is strong in Indiana and they are not about putting country first. It's all about the conservative agenda. However, if Mourdock wins, you may want to color Indiana a shade of purple.
The Democrats have a solid senatorial candidate in Joe Donnelly, the House representative from District 2 in Northwest Indiana. Known as "the region" by some Hoosiers, it tends to vote solid Democratic. Donnelly received his law degree from Notre Dame and considered to be a moderate Democrat. Personally, I believe Donnelly can beat the Tea Party candidate, Richard Mourdock.
Then we have Mike Pence who is running for governor. Among Democrats the saying goes, "If you don't like Mitch Daniels, you really won't like Mike Pence." The Hoosier state is conservative, but Mike Pence is considered ultra-conservative and his voting record in the House will haunt him. The Democrats have a viable candidate running against Pence, named John Gregg. Gregg was majority leader of the Indiana House between 1990 and 1994; a feisty guy with considerable stamina. Gregg has a history of being a consensus builder. I expect the governor's race to be close.
Now if Chuck Todd were to check his notes. he might recall that it was the college vote that moved candidate Obama to the win column in Indiana. Expect Obama community organizers to visit Butler University (Indianapolis), Purdue University (West Lafayette), Indiana University (Bloomington), Notre Dame (South Bend), Indiana State University (Terre Haute), Hanover (Madison), Ball State (Muncie) and Vincennes University (Vincennes). This race may boil down to Romney's corporate money verses Obama's community organizers.
While it will be an uphill battle for Democrats, Indiana may become a blue shade of purple.
Republican Economics
In general, Republicans stand for lower taxes, less regulation, reduced government spending, free trade, right to work among other things. According to the Obama narrative in 2008, it was policies like that that" drove us into the ditch." And according to his 2012 narrative, we just cannot return to those "policies of the past." Since the MSM never has (and never will) point out the obvious shortcomings in that line of thinking, today I'm going to do it for them.
The fact is the American economy was chugging along quite nicely under Bush until the housing bubble burst. After the downturn caused by 9/11, the economy created 8 million jobs through January 2008, and unemployment during 2007 averaged 4.6 percent. Also in 2007, federal tax revenues came in at 18.5% of GDP which was in line with the historical average and the highest since 2000. What makes that fact particularly noteworthy is this surge in tax revenues occurred AFTER the Bush tax cuts, a clear demonstration of how lowering marginal tax rates can lead to stronger economic growth and hence higher tax revenues. So Republican economic policies weren't driving anything into any ditch through 2007.
Then the housing bubble burst, a hundred year economic flood from which we are still trying to recover. Here's what Warren Buffet said about that in his recent investment newsletter: "All of us participated in the destructive behavior – government, lenders, borrowers, the media, ratings agencies, you name it. At the core of the folly was the almost universal belief that the value of houses was certain to increase over time and that any dips would be inconsequential. The acceptance of this premise justified almost any price and practice in housing transactions."
Notice that the Sage of Omaha didn't single out any "Republican economic policy" as the root cause of the problem, but rather noted that everyone got swept up in what was basically a psychological mania based on the flawed belief of ever increasing housing prices. Recent analysis from the Federal Reserve also supports this view by debunking the myths surrounding the usual villains in this piece. For example, the Fed's analysis shows that adjustable rate subprime mortgages were not the smoking gun in this matter, nor were supposedly devious sellers of mortgage backed securities – indeed, the Fed found that the fine print of these instruments contained ample information to warn prospective buyers of the risks involved. Evil Wall Street insiders weren't the bad guys either, the Fed found that many of them were among the biggest LOSERS when the bubble burst – like Bear Stearns.
Nope, the biggest issue was widely held optimism about housing prices, an optimism that overrode all other considerations in the market. And that's an issue of human nature, not economic policy. Four centuries ago there was a tulip mania in Holland and a few years ago there was a housing mania in the U.S. A political candidate (with an accepting MSM) who twists this reality into a narrative that paints Republican policies as the root cause of our current troubles is not only being disingenuous, he's basically lying.
Of course, those of us with a brain have known that about Obama all along.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-folly-of-the-us-housing-bubble/2012/05/07/gIQA6sIw8T_story.html
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
What I find most disturbing about this is, one, it is becoming a pattern, two, if
there was ever the opening for Willard to demonstrate he has an ounce of
leadership skills, this would have been it!
I’m
beginning to believe, Ann carries whatever passes for his balls around in her
clutch!
We know Rom-mey has no spine and no idea what the people want;' in addition to being incapable of a leader.
But, I not so sure it's a clutch purse. I think it is a shoulder bag with a zipper. She unzips him; remember?
Obama/Biden 2012
Well folks. I see yesterday was another day where several of my right-wing bretheren opined that First Read's very own Feisty Dumbfux is a paid blogger or poster to this site and is possibly on the payroll of the George Zimmerman-railroading MSNBC. Please. Don't flatter the broken-down wretch.
While it is a bit curious that she always manages to have the first or second posting, I believe that is more of a sign of her having NO life and apparently, pathetically, waiting at her keyboard, possibly with several screens up, clicking away furiously in an attempt to "refresh" just at the moment the "First Thoughts" banner appears. It is also a little strange that she seems to get several dozen votes on her entries, from such inane garbage as "LOL...you go GF!...down with Whitey!...and...Great post David! ROTFLMAO!!!". This could mean that she DOES in fact have inside access, or admin rights to the site, but in reality it just displays and proves what we already knew; that liberals (and especially those here) are friggin' morons. Seriously. Who the hell would "agree" with the kind of crap I just mentioned?
Fesity Dumbfux is basically just another mindless liberal who posts here, but just happens to have a small talent(if you can call it that) for riling people up enough to get them coming back here on a daily basis. You see...Feisty Dumbfux is what's known in the porn industry as a "fluffer". A fluffer's job is to keep the talented people ummm..."excited"... between takes. The fluffer keeps the (usually male) stars in a state of...excitement and keeps the real talent in a state where they are guaranteed to come back again and again and thus keeps the movie rolling along.
So you see, my rightie friends. Feisty is fluffing you. This keeps you coming back. This provides traffic for the site. This is why she is allowed to stay after repeatedly violating the "Code Of Ethics" or whatever the hell it is. Feisty Dumbfux is PROUD TO BE A FLUFFER! Another poster here, the stammer-brained "Beverly from Chicago", is also a fluffer with roughly the same level of talent as F. Dumbfux, but her incoherence and lack of focus make her a failed fluffer who often befuddles the fluffee'and therefore leaves herself dirty and foul-smelling in the process. But both of them love the attention and will no doubt eat up the posts that come after this one. That's what fluffers do. So remember, any time you see a post by her...she's just fluffing.
If you are fairly new here and don't need or want to deal with the fluffers, you can go straight ahead to the A-list "stars" and get what you need there, without the aid of fluffers. Jody, Amy, Anna-Molly and a few others; now THEY are the REAL Deep Throats and Savannahs of this site. Give them a try.
"The federal government broke its record deficit streak in April, notching its first monthly surplus since the end of the Bush administration, according to preliminary estimates released Monday.
The numbers, compiled by the Congressional Budget Office..."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/7/deficit-streak-ends-obama-first-monthly-surplus/
Willard is not a leader, but instead a coward.
Please pardon the formatting in my comment above - apparently the FR gremlins have not had breakfast yet!
Her comments received a big round of applause from the audience.
Am I the only one who finds the 'audience' reaction disconcerting?
"Damaged"
You should have just typed, "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!"
Much less time and energy wasted.
Why would Romney or anyone refute a supporter's statement about a man who questions his integrity and ability to make a decision of national security. Turnabout is fair play but you don't play by those rules. What a non-issue you raise -- as always.
P.S. -- McCain lost. The gloves are off now and Obama's head is reeling with blows to the head and body -- many being self-inflicted. Time to see a shrink IMHO.
So true, a real idiot.
Hey! Yall hear? Hussein is planning to change the name of the San Andreas Fault in California to "BUSH'S FAULT". Pretyy typical, isn't it?
If Romney doesn't have the ...er....courage to stand up to a questioner at a town hall meeting, how would he do in making an unpopular but necessary decision as President? He wouldn't even stand up to Rush Limbaugh, either.
He is able, however, to take credit for the auto industry recovery. After famously saying "Let Detroit go bankrupt", Mitt now claims that President Obama was following his advice in saving the auto industry. I guess that is evidence of some......chitspa!
Okie dokie…….who watched First Read with Chuck “Goatees rock” Todd this morning and seen that doorknob North Carolina Governor Bev Perdue (D)…..lol….wow
The moron gets on TV and screams how we all need to get along and love thy gay neighbor but when asked if she believed in gay marriage, she bumbled and stumbled and sounded JUST like the other HOMOPHOBE you folks worship, Barack “Alpo” Obummer!
What is it with you looney liberals that loooooove to make sure everyone is classified into a group, claim you have a huge tent but yet hate anything and everything that disagrees with you.
Speaking of Alpo, I cannot help when I see Obummer to be reminded of the classic flick, “War of the Roses”, and the bitch wife that spreads some “pâté” on a Ritz….LMAO….’member that one?!?! Doggy on a cracker! Sorry, got distracted for a minute.
Anywhosers, if you loonbats are going to make a stand and call out your political opponents on a topic & spew hatred, at least know where your Messiah stands on the issue! LOL….Tards
Justice for Zimmerman NOW!
P.S. - The "treason chick" yesterday was a black woman. Why are you bigots so racist? Why can't a black woman speak her mind? Quit tryiog to put her in the back of the bus!!
The Anti-Austerity mood is growing in Washington, reflecting Europe's uproar over same.
Meanwhile, Paul Ryan's Budget on student loans: CutMoreSpending/CutMoreSpending/CutMoreSpending.
Ryan said last week "with the student loan bill let's cut some spending because that's more spending, let's cut spending that is lower-priority spending..."
(R-WI) Paul Ryan also proposes closing tax loopholes, but not as a revenue raiser. Nor to prevent student loan interest rates from doubling on July 1. But to help pay for more tax breaks ($3Trillion) for the wealthy.
Ron Indiana...Hoosiers had no trouble electing Dan Coates again who hasn't lived in Indiana since he retired from the Senate the first time. He was busy being super-lobbyist back East....
Murdoch is insane, if Hoosiers want to vote for him, well then they are insane too...He's the darling of the NRA, and we know how much Hoosiers love their guns. We have been flooded with NRA mailings supporting Murdoch for weeks (and we just own some guns but are NOT members of the NRA). Indiana has some of the most polluted waterways in the country, yet Murdoch is screaming to get rid of the EPA and roll back environmental regulations...I live near Lake Michigan, I go to the beach for the scenery (you can see Chicago from where we are), but would NEVER actually go in the water unless I want to come out with a third arm. Depending on the wind on a given day, our air smells horrible. But if Hoosiers think Murdoch is their man...well thank goodness I was not born here and never refer to myself as a "Hoosier", I'd be too embarrassed.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
But Willard has the best qualifications of anyone to be president according to Grover Norquist's high standards of excellence: "five working digits" with which to sign all the radical tax cut bills into law that Grover shoves under his nose. What more could you want in a president -- at least if your last name is Koch?
Grasping for straws! Anything, anything to avoid talking about issues. @Damage -- the sad and pathetic reality is that these "composites" (could also be deemed "composts) on here think they make a difference. Only in their own little "composite" minds. How laughable.
(I Need A) Job1-- What gives? You actually had a chance there to type a post that consisted of more than one sentence (for once) and you blew it! You insisted on making two sentences into one and I gotta tell ya, I feel a little let down. I was one of those people that was betting you might be capable of two. I was wrong. But since you are an Obama groupie and typical of his base, typing anything more is understandably a challenge for you. Keep the faith!
Pizza Boy- Stop stealing from your boss and get back to work.
...because if Mr. Romney challenges the statement immediately at the town hall we aren't having this discussion.
...and it's a question of character.
Like it or not, John McCain showed far more character in 2008 by challenging the "He's An Arab" comment than Mitt Romney showed yesterday.
Also, please consider that by not challenging the comment Mr. Romney plays right into a narrative that can be made about the GOP...
...that they are interested in opposition merely for the sake of opposition and that they are hysterical, unreasonable and are merely playing to irrational fear.
Willard is a character all right... shame he doesn't exhibit any!
I have never been a McCain fan, but, at least he displayed courage!
Something which Willard is seriously lacking...
My gaawwwd, you pukes are sooo transparent with your Fake Outrage!....LMAOOOO!
Like any of you lost any sleep because a black woman made a statement about trying Obummer for treason & Romney didn’t spank her……lol……gimme a break!
Try throwing on your big boy pants or we’ll have to call YOU Whaaaambulance!...lol
Warren Buffet in the WaPo, courtesy of Bill Fairfax:
Notice that government is at the head of Buffet's list. Not just any government, Republican government. This "house of cards" is the house that Bush built.
Noid -- McCain lost but Romney won't. Just six more months to a new beginning for this country!!! ROMNEY 2012!!!!
The lack of character comes from the WH.
You are out of the playground this time around and it is going to get rough. Time to put on your big girl panties now Noid.
THE LACK OF COURAGE AND CHARACTER IS DEMONSTRATED BY THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT WING NUT JOBS ON HERE WHO HAVE TO GO OUT AND COLLAPSE THE OPPOSITION. YOU PUKES ARE SO MUCH BIGOTED HYPOCRITES.
You are quite funny, and very entertaining. Hopefully, you will stick around and not let us lefty liberals discourage you.
An Open Letter to the Tea Party...
Let's get something straight, this is not YOUR country. This is OUR country. Your beliefs are not representative of America, they are representative of a PART of America. You do not speak for ALL of America, you speak for SOME of America. Your morals, values, thoughts and ideas are no more worthy, or correct, then the member of Occupy Wall Street you disparage, or the member of the American Socialist Party, or the Muslim, or the gay, or the ANYONE.
You do not get to run rampant over the ideas and legislative efforts of the other side. You get to compromise with them and have your voice heard at an EQUAL volume.
It is not "smaller government" or "less intrusive government" or "Constitutionally limited" government, to not pay taxes. That is POORLY FUNDED government. And it is not fiscally sane to discount 50% of the available solutions to the debt problem.
In short, GET OVER YOURSELVES.
If Mitt Romney can't even stand up against the fringe element in his own party, how can anyone expect him to ever stand up against someone as dangerous as Vladimir Putin?
Putin, as you may know, just regained the Presidency of Russia.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/world/europe/vladimir-putin-returns-to-presidency-in-russia.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120508
I don't know about all of you, but it gives me absolutely no more comfort to consider Mitt Romney sitting across a negotiating table from Putin than it did when George W. Bush looked into his eyes and failed to see the ruthless, power-hungry former KGB agent that everyone else is able to see.
My question for conservatives today is:
Exactly what experience in Mitt Romney's soft, sheltered, privileged past prepares him to deal with Vladimir Putin, let alone Al Qaeda, North Korea, and the other global threats that America faces?
And exactly when has flip-flopping Mitt EVER displayed the kind of steady resolve that it will take?
Joe Biden, you got to love him. Some people say he puts his foot in his mouth, I say the man speaks the truth as to his opinions and beliefs. Good for him. If you ask Joe what time it is, if it's 3:00 o'clock, he tells you it's 3:00 o'clock. As opposed to our flip flopping friend (Willard) who will ask you what time YOU want it to be and then he'll tell you that "THAT" is the correct time.
I support Biden and our President and I know they have the best interests of our Country at heart. Vote the Congress Repugs out.
Obama in 2012.
Great post earlier, Michael1969- Isn't it interesting that the supposed party of tolerance is the party that SUPPORTS LEGALIZED DISCRIMINATION???
The Democrat's decades-old platform of dividing people up into their various grievance groups and then, treating them according to their place on the aggrieved hierarchy, complete with special rights, is the ANTITHESIS of the color-blind, equal rights-for-all, free society they falsely claim to want.
job-1
I keep hoping you will some day get it. I see today is not the day.
If you think O is a leader I have to ask of what. This man could not run a bake sale and have anyone follow. Yet you say Romney is not a leader. Why, because he did not say anything to the women who said O is a traitor. Why should he. He did not make the statement. O had plenty of opportunities to jump on the left for statements made but no comment is his choice. If you would stay consistent with your weirdness maybe someone could make sense of the left. But it blows wherever the DNC tells you. The left has no plan. No ideas and no hope. Just lies and spin and fear and if you fall for it then you deserve it but why punish America for the lies on the left?
Democrats can't stand the fact that their political party was decimated by the Obama administration and the countless, spineless democrat yes-men and will soon be a footnote in history. Let the foreign criminals have them, Americans who care about America have Republicans and Tea Partiers.
since we talked about treason. It was Cheney's office that gave up a CIA agent!! Mr. Dick Cheney should have been shoot for treason. That is treason, just because you don't agree with someone isn't treason. One more point, we have freedom of religion but so many christians say our president is a muslum like we should shoot him now, MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE AWAY THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS FROM CHURCHES TO SHOW THAT RELIGION IS NOT FREE ANYMORE
Currently we have many under-paid (based on education level) college graduates. Why? Because there simply aren't enough jobs requiring a college education to fill those positions. Now if you want to talk about technical fields, like engineering, science, computer science, etc., there are not enough graduates and we're importing them from other countries. It's simple supply and demand. We don't need more Business, Marketing, Library Science, etc. majors. There are not jobs for them to fill. Why pay for someone to get a degree that isn't needed? Even the average high school student can answer that question.
Regarding the medical student wanting loans, work your way through college like many, including myself, have done. Don't start your life off buried under a mountain of debt. Not smart.
Trinity: Thank you for your input. I agree that Mourdock is crazy.
As a graduate of IU, I still call myself a Hoosier. And watch out for those Hoosiers next B-ball season.
I'll tell you why --
You have two choices here, rukidding -- either Romney is not a good man, or he is a good man who did nothing.
Either way, if he can't stand up for what's right, even in those circumstances, then Vladimir Putin will eat him for lunch.
And then spit him right back out.
That's why.
Are you at it again, Michael? The only one I hear whining around here is you.
And don't you think you could at least come up with some different insults than the ones you used yesterday?
Or doesn't your daily talking points memo come with alternatives?
Tell you what, Michael. Why don't YOU throw on YOUR big boy pants for a change, and try thinking for yourself.
Because this routine is getting very old.
Or maybe your big boy pants are just TOO big. Whaaaaaaaaaa ....
Right on, right on Damage.....I find it very interesting that posts get collapsed when the loonbats disagree with other peoples thoughts.....lol....I wonder why that is??
I have never collasped a post or ignored anyone (or pretended to ignore like some here, right Feisty DumbFux?!...lol), but it seems the looney left is always doing it here. I say, "Let the stupidity run wild!!"
I wonder what the left wingers have against free speech when it's something they disagree with?
Justice for Zimmerman NOW!
Yeah California Tom. And if you ask Joe Biden about the recession, he'll tell you that FDR went on TV and "talked to the American people". And you hypocrites had the nerve to ridicule Sarah Palin. Biden is a friggin' idiot who's more than likely still feeling the effects of his brain operations three decades ago. What a straight shooter he is. LOL. He's usually shooting straight into his own friggin' foot.
Amy and you think Mr Obama's secret Message to Putin "hang on, I will have more flexibility after the election" is one to be admired?
Lugar, if he loses, is a attack by the citizens on entrenched Washington politicians; has not lived in Indiana for many years, lost touch with his home base, became a Washington insider, and in plain words, did not understand the backlash of the citizens against Washington; the tea party and Occupy are trying to send a message , however Washington just will not listen, they view the rest of America outsider of the beltway as the ,great un-washed.
Reading Ben, Damage and Micheal's posts this morning it's clear to the world they have nothing. All they can muster in their pathetic lives is hate and anger. It must really suck to be you three.
Sarah
if it isn't the tea parties country, then it isn't your either - it is all of ours and we have to work together to find common ground.
I don't care who you are THAT was funny! Thanks for the laugh Damage123!
Oh my God, stop whining!!! You're entitled to your opinion, not an audience for it, or acceptance of it. You have the same chance to collapse other's posts, and you're still allowed to post.
Seriously, get over yourself.
The Dems support such discriminatory practices as Affirmative Action, preferences, quotas, hate crime laws and set-asides in education, hiring etc...Then they have the nerve to say they want a color blind, EQUAL society. They're a bunch of hypocritical liars. They either don't realize (or likely don't care) that their support for legalized discrimination breeds resentment and hatred. Of course they don't care! They're also the party that tells us it's wrong and deserving of punishment to be successful in this country. The sooner we rid congress of most of them, and rid the White House of the Jug-Eared Socialist and his Patrick Ewing look-alike wife, the better. November is looking better and better every day, isn't it?
pjam, you are correct in that Obama has decimated the democrat party. I was raised a democrat, and, my friend, this is not that democrat party. The democrat party of today is nothing more than the communist party of America of those earlier years.
DB,
Go read my post again. Perhaps you missed the entire first paragraph???
Seriously, did you read it at all, before posting that???
Damage123
Really? You mean the democrats are the ones who tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies? The democrats are the ones who throw their christian beliefs and values down the throats of the American people? I think the GOP is very good at dividing the American people between the "RICH" and the 'rest' of us. Of course, they do like to utilize their influence to ensure the poor are deluded into thinking the republicans will actually help them. Get off the juice.
Why nothing, of course. We're merely adopting the Michigan Emergency Financial Manager model --
You're fully entitled to your opinion. But ours is the only one that counts.
You're surely comfortable with that, aren't you, Michael?
If you're talking to me, then you REALLY need to get your glasses fixed.
And you didn't answer my question, either.
Why am I not surprised?
Damage123:
I have read many of your posts and I think it's way past time you changed your moniker to, "DUMBAGE"! Why? It seems to fit very nicely with the way your mind works!
You are way toooo stupid to get the point.....lol.....nevermind
Go back to Zuccotti Park
Michael,
It is a Republican invented, backed, supported, and implemented idea.
Oh please, explain it to my feeble, female brain. What is your point then? We collapse your posts because they're mostly filled with inane insults and have no real substance, to answer your question.
Sarah- I at least know for sure that I AM better than the OccuAsswipes. I bathe daily. I have job. I don't ask for handouts. I don't lay around in a park for 3 weeks and sh*t all over the place. I can go on and on.
I'm also quite sure I'm better than a Muslim. I believe in my wife being able to drive, own property and wear what she wants. I also would never kill my daughter if she came home wearing nail polish.
I'm not gay so there is a massive decrease in the chance that I could contract a fatal sexual disease (or most of them for that matter).
It's your moral relevance and your refusal to believe what you see with your own eyes that makes you and your ilk so disturbing. You insist that all cultures and ways of life are equal when evidence and good old common sense shows us they are NOT. You're insistance on replacing common sense with political correctness will cause you many problems in life (probably already has). Just don't tell the rest of us that we have to live that way too.
Backhouse
First, the there was 41 billion dollars in the woman's health care fund. Obama thought so much of women's health care that he took 30 Million from womens health care to fund his "pilot" medicare program. That pilot program was hastily put together to replace medicare advantage which the ACA removed to make the ACA meet the cost limit. Obama realized that Medicare advantage would end October 1st and that would anger the entire Senior Citizen voting block just 5 weeks before the election.
What the republicans are saying is that since that money wasn't considered not that valuable that 3/4's could be taken from it, that the rest should go to people who really need it - aka the students.
The reason that college costs so much IS the student loans. Once you put 25,000 - 50,000 per year available to students to spend, of course the colleges area going to get every nickel they can.
It's unbelievable just how many new residence halls, parking decks, and Student activity centers have been going up by colleges and Universities. Trust me, they don't buy cheap construction, they spare no cost to get these errected.
Damage,
See all insults and NOOOO substance!
Any "man" who has to "proclaim" that they're better then someone, normally has one of two things wrong, either really low self esteem, or a really small, well I'm sure you can guess. Or, quite possibly both.
However, you will allow the government to shove a probe up her vagina, prior to her being afforded her Constitutionally protected right to privacy.
Really? Sources or cites to back that claim up?
I believe in equality. Wow, I'm fu**ed.
Michael,
I'm in Detroit. Way too long of a drive.
Here's an idea. If you two don't want your posts collapsed, instead of whining like tween girls, why don't you try the following...
A. Being civil.
B. Asking questions.
C. Providing substantive arguments, backed with facts, links, and sources.
Imputing cosmic meaning where there is none. Fixating on the irrelevant. Too funny, but so typical.
Sexual disease? Thought the topic was the teaparty and Sen. Luger. Anyway, the loss of Luger can mean two things, one the teaparty may have overstepped this time with a chance a moderate Democrat may gain a seat, or two, the teapartier will just add to the grid lock with another lunatic who thinks his view is the only view. Let's hope Indiana opts for the former, rather than the latter.
Anna since you know so little about the State of Michigans EFM Law, take some time to educate yourself:
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/snyder/EMF_Fact_Sheet2_347889_7.pdf
And usually do.
Much ado about nothing, for the most part.
As if liberals never shower, lay around parks all the time, and don't have jobs. How DID George Soros come by all that money, anyway?
If I had a wife, I'd let her drive, too, but I don't because I'm not gay, either. And I'd be more concerned about my daughter having access to birth control than to nail polish, but I guess nail polish is what conservative men dream about.
I believe you mean moral "relativity," but you do have one thing quite right. I don't insist that all cultures and ways of life are equal. Whatever made you the way you are is certainly not equal to what made me what I am.
And finally, in a million years, I would never want to live like you -- whatever made you bitter and spiteful did NOT make you beautiful.
And nail polish won't fix it, either, anymore than lipstick ever fixed a pitbull.
LoL For you? My pleasure.
Just don't expect me to understand it all, okay?
After all, I'm nothing but an ignorant liberal. What could you possibly expect?
MICHAEL: "What is it with you looney liberals that loooooove to make sure everyone is classified into a group..."
Michael, Michael, Michael (shaking my head)--what's wrong, honey, get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning? Seems like YOU are the one "classifying looney liberals" into some crazy, non-existent group.
LIGHTEN UP!!! Talk about "hating anything and everything that disagrees with you!" WOW! Pot meet Kettle!--
Hey, maybe this will make you feel better: I disagree with you but I LOVE YOU, MICHAEL!!! Feel better now?
Okay, WCA --
I've read what you provided to me. And now I have some of my typical silly questions for you --
And how many of those 10 times have been under Governor Snyder?
So, this isn't exactly the same old law, right?
As determined by whom?
Funny ... I haven't heard about any "hearings" involved with the removal of elected officials in Benton Harbor or elsewhere. Can you enlighten me on the due process that the most recently removed elected officials have received?
Which of the recently removed elected officials, if any, were removed for "corruption," and who made that determination?
What? I take it this refers to the old law, not the new one.
And why doesn't the emergency financial manager have "power" to deal with unions? What kind of weaklings ARE they, anyway?
Ah. So contract breaking IS a power of the emergency manager. And emphasis on "could." Do you really believe this would happen?
And where's the evidence that he actually will?
And now I'll hang up and listen to your answers. If you have any.
Sarah - Lovely posts, but you're arguing with brick walls. I don't have the energy to do the same today. Thanks for being a sane force for the rest of us.
Damage123 said:
Is that really what you think!? If so, given that you are often not too far behind (her.....4 minutes in this case), you must be doing something along those ("pathetic") lines.
Be advised: that is NOT how she does it. How long will it take Damage123 to unravel this riddle ? Bets ??
I'm going the safe route and putting $5 bucks (sorry, grad student, that's all I got) on his NOT EVER figuring it out.
Jason,
Thanks! Slow day at work, and all, lol.
Feisty, it's laughable that you would even consider giving Romney any credit for anything ,so your fake outrage is just that. Sarah, you always have eloquent comments and a good defender of the left, sometimes I even agree with you, but neither party is right all the time. We will never accomplish anything with out compromise and pointing the finger.
Wlee,
Thank you, and I agree completely. It just seems that the left, these days, is much more willing to compromise. That's why I'm so frustrated with the TP. It isn't their ideology (although I completely disagree with them for the most part), it's their presumption that they speak for ALL of us, and refusal to meet anyone half way.
Damage, "I'm not gay so there is a massive decrease in the chance that I could contract a fatal sexual disease (or most of them for that matter)."
Your chances of contracting a fatal sexual disease has nothing to do with you being gay or straight. I can hardly believe any sane man or women would give you the time of day after listening to your continuous whining and crying to get beyond the talking stage. But then again, for a price I guess anything is possible.
Compromise won't happen until we get some GROWNUPS in Congress. The school yard mentality and squabbling has got to stop. Repugs, Dumbocrats, doesn't matter. They're all behaving like childish a$$holes. The Tea Potty isn't any better. Send them all a message, vote the alternative this time. Can't be any worse.
Am- in order of your questions:
So far 4 have been appointed during the Snyder administratiom, Benton Harobor, Pontiac and Flint along with Detroit Public Scjhools.. Do you know anything at all about those cities? Do you have a clue about the mess that the DPS is? Do you have a clue about the mess that Jennifer Granholm left this state in?
The law was revised, voted on and put in place by the Representatives that were voted in by the people. Why do you have a problem with representatives doing the will of the people?
Removed by a determination of a board of Reps from the Michigan congress, right now led by Democrat Andy Dillon.
Corruption was not a factor in the Benton Harbor case. Incompetence was.
Kwame Kilpatrick, mayor of Detroit, was removed for corruption from office in 2008 and placed in prison. He currently awaits Federal charges that will most likely put him in prison for 30 years.
Yes, if the current contracts are deemed to be a major contributor to the Financial downfall of a city, they need to be re-written.
You believe everything Obama says, why not Rick Snyder? All he has done in a year and a half is get Michigan back on track after the disastorous Granholm years.
Tell me AM, would you prefer that Detroit go bankrupt? Because it is going to. Will the good people of Wisconsin be willing to pitch in and help Detroit out? The good people of Michgan are tired of pouring money into a corrupt city government that doesn't know it's ass from a hole in the ground, so write your check and send it to Dave Bing.
I'm sure he would appreciate it.
Sarah, I agree the Tea Party had some points but their lack of compromise makes them irrelevant. OWS started with good idea's but transitioned into something unrecognizable. I'm afraid it's going to take a serious fall before we reawaken
wow. I need a nap after reading that comment chain.
I estimate roughly 4 posts had to do with the actual article.
Sarah, I like the way your mind thinks. There will always be a difference of opinion, I believe that actually makes for a healthy economy. What we as a country need to do to move forward, is LISTEN to the other side and COMPRIMISE. I don't think anyone, judging by the comments on this chain, is capable of that.
Let's just hit the high points here.
So, 40 percent of the total number of EFMs for the past 20 years have been appointed in the past 16 months or so?
And you don't see a trend?
Nothing, provided that's what it is, which means provided that voters were aware of that agenda at the time of the election. There's a BIG difference between electing representatives and saying that they are doing the "will" of the people, as Wisconsin found out.
Which is exactly why we are about to have recall elections.
Well, then negotiate. Or are you anti-union folks too weak for that? Don't blame the unions for getting good deals. Blame the idiots you elected for not doing your "will."
I believe that nationally, those years were known as the disastrous George W. Bush years, and they're responsible for most of the misery we see today across the country, not just in Michigan.
But if Snyder's so good at it, then send him across the pond. Because, apparently, Scott Walker is not as good. But then, Walker hasn't made quite the same power grab, has he? At least not yet.
And, of course, Snyder also had the benefit of the President coming in to bail out GM, didn't he? I wonder what things might be looking like in Michigan right now if the President had NOT come in to bail out your behinds.
http://www.freep.com/article/20120407/BUSINESS06/204070374/A-rosier-outlook-for-job-growth-in-Michigan
But then again, it's not ALL so rosy in Michigan, is it?
If Snyder is making it all work, then explain THOSE numbers to me, please.
Why not? We helped support the GM bailout, and we can certainly help here, too. And then you can help Milwaukee.
Because, you see, that's how it works -- emphasis on "works" -- in a true federal system. Like when there's hurricanes and housing bubbles and stuff.
We all help each other out.
But you're not for that, are you?
Well, then, swim in it. And stop asking where the lifeguard went.
Damage123,
I think it unlikely that you are really married, and if so, I can imagine that your wife is very subservient to you and your very strong opinions. Do you "discuss" differences of opinion with your wife like your posts directed at people with a differing opinion here at NV?
Republicans insist on pushing "austerity" in the states and nationally, we've all seen what the results look like from such a policy in France and Greece. If a double-dip recession is the cost of enriching their puppet-masters then so be it!
They don't see it as a "cost" so much as a fringe benefit. It's just one more way to keep the rabble down.
Hopeless, hopeless Sarah.
The police reports would seem to disagree.
I'd find the hypocrisy of typical liberal comments like this, when speaking in regards to taxes, hilarious if they weren't so down right disturbing and illogical. Who really needs to get over themselves, the ones who wish to hold on to their own property and/or money or the ones who think they'll entitled to someone else's property and/or money? The one's who want to keep what they earn or the one's who want to take something that they have done nothing to earn.
Nancy....In answer to your question to Sarah, I should point out to you that we live in a society, not a bubble. Therefore, when someone in this society needs help, we help them. Consequently, we all contribute to the education of our children, even though many of us have none. We contribute to silly foreign wars, even though many of us disagree with them. We contribute to our police, fire departments, and dog catchers, even though many of us will never need their services. I'd love to keep what is mine.....but this is not the country we live in. Why is that such a strange concept for the typical rightwing ideologists to understand??
Nancy,
Do you really believe that there aren't any criminals in the TP?
And where did I say I was entitled to anything? And why do you people always think that your taxes go directly to welfare funding? Why don't you ever bi**h about where they really go, you know like the wars???
Oh, and Nancy, since I know how much you "Good Christian, folks" in the TP, love to help the poor, I decided to provide you with some facts about how "welfare" actually works...
For the same reasons that you and Sarah both identify. They somehow think that they're the only ones who "earn" anything, even though many of them make money off of money -- usually OUR money -- without performing any real productive work, and many of them, like Mitt Romney, make money not from creating anything, but from tearing things down and destroying the lives and hopes of others.
To them money is everything, and if making money on war means that people die, then people die. If it means that your child or mine, or even theirs, will get asthma and die early from the air pollution they create, then they will. If bridges and highways crumble because they don't want to pay any taxes to fix those bridges and highways that we have all paid for so that they have a chance to make money, then they crumble. If China and about 24 other states outstrip us in education and innovation and leave us in the dust for infrastructure development so that their own kids won't even have a future, then we'll be left in the dust. Because they don't really care about their kids -- they just pretend they do because the austerity associated with that just gives them more opportunities to hoard wealth.
And they somehow believe that their desires and interests are the only ones that matter. They've identified themselves as a ruling class, declared war on themselves, and made "class envy" the justification for their entitlement entitled to keep skimming as much money off the top of the economy as possible by rigging the rules and buying the politicians and exploiting the rest of us.
The rest of us be damned.
Anna....thanks, but it was really a rhetorical question. I already knew the answer, but you very eloquently detailed it out. I should point out that I am not against people making whatever money they can....even Mr. Romney. However, putting little or nothing back because you don't care about others is really a selfish and greedy way to feel. And, while I don't relish the idea of handing out money supporting lazy people, they are well in the minority, and too many deserving people would suffer if we just cut off all resources as has been suggested.
Sarah and Anna Molly:
While not a TP member, nor defender of the ultra-right / left, the point of other posters regarding sexuality and the demographics of the the gay, transgendered, and bisexual communities versus heterosexual communities with regards to STD's is well documented, and has been for several decades now (by the CDC).
It's behavioral and a result of the community seeking outlets in group and anonymous settings because of possible backlash against the lifestyle. Since you asked for a link:
http://www.bilerico.com/2010/03/us_gay_mens_astonishing_hivstd_rates.php
Additionally, Sarah, you can thank President Clinton for signing the Welfare Reform, but the actual bill was developed by congressional Republicans and then supported in a very bi-partisan way in Congress. President Clinton, who was sympathetic and supportive, as part of what has been termed his "Blue Dog Democratic" background, promptly signed it into law upon receipt.
Most of what President Clinton did (and I give him credit for it) was get out of the way of an exploding information age productivity boom. He was great at making the most of the situation and realizing how both the electorate and the elected could have a win/win in most every situation.
Both President Obama and Bill Clinton are very bright men. Bill Clinton, however, is also a master politician. In my opinion. President Clinton reigns supreme among recent national Democrats in the art of managing the politics of the polis.
@ stevefoo --
I know. I was just waxing rhetorical this afternoon. I have to wax something because poetical is way beyond my skillset.
Most people probably think rhetorical is, too, but c'est la vie.
@ GregShep --
Sarah says she is a grad student. She may be a bit too young to remember Bill Clinton clearly. With all his faults, though, and even with his blue dog status, I'd still take him any six days of the week over just about anyone else.
But before I did, I'd make him take NAFTA back.
As for the gay lifestyle thing, yeah, I get the statistics. Still, I'm no homophobe. And the original connection was somehow to liberals. There are a lot of gay conservatives, especially men. Why, I have no idea, as this makes them reviled by about 3/4 or more of their own party, and every few years, they become whipping boys for the wedge vote.
Anna...what's really strange is this year the GOP went after not only the gays, but the women as well. It is quite beyond my thinking how there would be any women or gays supporting the GOP at this juncture....unless they are just irretrievably stupid.
Anna Molly
I got that regarding Sarah from the thread and her page. It's great to be full of energy, but if you vociferously demand links and facts, you should probably be a little more careful, so that you can have all that credibility when someone who disagrees (respectfully and thoughtfully) makes the rare appearance on the thread.
I thought that President Clinton squandered many chances that set the next 3 terms up for failures in terms of the economy and the correct scope of government. He had the world by the tail, and could have done so much MORE good.
The CDC data is pretty clear and unambiguous (and the way it is presented is non-partisan). Regardless of affiliation, the community (as a whole - generally) continues to ignore the safe sex practices required to slow the overall rate of infection. Uninfected, committed and monogamous couples (heterosexual and homosexual) have an extremely low risk (infinitesimally low) of contracting HIV, or virtually any other STD. Unfortunately, the incidence of unprotected sex outside of the aforementioned conditions is higher (by percentage of population), among the GLTB community as opposed to the heterosexual (only) community. Everybody should adopt safe sex practices, but it's crazy not to for those engaged in lifestyles associated with higher risk activities.
You and I wouldn't probably agree on much regarding politics and policy, but I appreciate your thoughtful approach to the dialog!
Greg Shep, great post a pleasure to read
I'm sorry, but can't resist, the opportunity is just too readily apperent :o Is that in anyway similar to the politician who won't stop stealing from the tax payers and the real constituents (aka the average voter), while they seem to fail to get back to work when anything of importance needs doing. Ya know, that self same legislature that only "works" a 4 day work week, spent bickering, arguing among themselves, and not getting anything done; unless it's debating whether pizza is a vegetable (even as the budget still can't be resolved on). And then, when they finally do pass something, it's some odd bill they never even took the time to read, before going off and getting caught up in some form of a sex scandel, or worse?
Somehow, I think pizza delivery drivers might be more productive then that bunch of self-styled "representatives" we get stuck with :o
@Nancy's Red Diaper Doper Baby
pretty lame there Nancy. Taxes today are lower than they've been in 60+ years. And while you're screeching about keeping what's "yours", let's talk about how you got it. Did you hire any employees? If so, you utilized OUR education system. Shouldn't you help pay for it? Does your business use the roads? Post Office? Ever advertise on radio or television? Does the military fight in Iraq and Afghan. for everyone but you? There are a plethora of govt services that we all must pay for. It is very narrow minded, selfish and incorrect for you to assume that because a dollar flows through your hand that all of it is yours. WE ALL MUST PAY FOR THESE SERVICES, EVEN TEABAGGERS. Do you not that or are you simply in denial? You teabaggers really crack me up. But that's ok...your day is over.
Thomas if you want to ask those questions then lets go to a flat tax where EVERYONE pays 20 or 30%. No deductions for anyone. I don't care if you are rich or poor you will be paying one percentage of your income.
Stop the class warfare as it does absolutely nothing but make people dig trenches to protect themselves. I see no reason why someone who has made money working hard building up a business should have to pay one more cent than the people who either work for him or don't work at all.
Businesses already pay more taxes & fees everyday than most people realize and whether they are GE or a Mom & Pop store they all get to pay.
Personally as a conservative republican business owner I am damn glad I helped vote Luger out of his lifetime post here in Indiana.
Deb,
Um, problem. First, if your paycheck is only a couple hundred bucks, every two weeks, and you have to give up 20% to 30%, proportionately, poor people will be paying WAYYYYYYYY more then rich people.
It's regressive. Not to mention, makes no sense, since it will force MORE people onto government assistance. So, they'll pay their "fair share" and then be given it right back.
Deb-663949.....regarding a flat tax......
EXAMPLE: A budding entrepreneur wants to go into the earth moving business. He buys a dump truck and tractor for $100k for which he pays $10k down from his own pocket and finances the remaining $90k. Under current (income) tax law, he would pay ZERO federal taxes UNLESS AND UNTIL he makes a profit in the venture.
Under a consumption (i.e. the "Fair Tax") tax plan, he PAYS FEDERAL TAX UP FRONT regardless if he makes a profit or not. So, in the case of a 22% flat tax, the equipment cost is now $122k. The $22k tax cannot be financed because it has no collateral value. The business owner must pay $32k out of his pocket and pays the remaining $90k from a loan. That is, IF he can get a loan since lenders will view the “Fair” tax as a threat to the profitability of small business start-ups..
Anyone who says a flat tax (i.e. “Fair Tax”) is (small) business friendly either has not thought too deeply about the subject or is simply being deceptive. Such a tax would ONLY be BIG business friendly since it would serve as a barrier to entry for many prospective entrepreneurs who might otherwise compete with them.
A flat INCOME tax is only marginally better. It still has the effect of burdening small business start-ups with taxes when what they really need is to re-invest their meager profits into their business until they are firmly established and profitable. Of course, BIG BUSINESS wants a flat tax because they DON'T WANT (truly) small business to succeed.
Running down through what I missed yesterday I found a collapse that deserved to be right up top. Here you go collapse cowards, a message that needs to be delivered, courtesy of Sarah;
Bush vs. Obama: Jobs
During George W.'s first term, big government boosted employment. For Obama, it's the opposite
By Andrew Leonard
There is a number buried in today’s government labor report that deserves closer examination: 35,000. That’s the net number of private sector jobs created during the Obama administration to date. That’s right, it’s a positive number. After the worst economic disaster to befall the United States in 80 years, that’s a number that maybe we should be applauding. Remember: The private sector hemorrhaged more than 2 million jobs in the first three months of 2009 alone. The hole was deep.
Unfortunately, it’s still a tiny number, and it is dwarfed by a much larger figure: 607,000. That’s the number of public sector jobs — federal, state and local — that have been lost since Obama took office. It’s a story that probably isn’t getting told enough about the Obama administration: Big government keeps getting smaller.
But the real eye-opener comes when we compare Obama’s numbers to George W. Bush’s. In Bush’s first term, the economy shed 913,000 private sector jobs! 913,000! The only thing that saved Bush’s first term from being a complete economic disaster, in terms of employment, was robust public sector growth: The economy added 900,000 government jobs. One wonders: Without the massive growth in the public sector during Bush’s first term, would he have been reelected?
This is interesting for a number of reasons. First, it punches a big hole in the theory that Bush’s tax cuts were responsible for boosting employment during his first term. Let’s also recall that the Bush recession (which he inherited from Clinton) was far, far milder than the near-Depression Obama inherited from Bush. In that context, Obama’s performance resuscitating the private sector has been miraculous. The Washington Post published an article criticizing Obama for not doing enough to resist job losses in the public sector, without fully acknowledging the political impossibility of additional stimulus after the first round, but we haven’t heard all that much over the years about how the growth of government saved Bush’s bacon.
Of course, Obama isn’t running against Bush, so that’s moot. But as this presidential campaign heats up, it might be worth periodically reminding ourselves: Bush led the U.S. economy out of a weak recession with strong public sector growth. Obama is leading the U.S. economy out of a near-death experience while a steadily shrinking government swells the unemployment rolls. Which magic trick do you think is harder?
http://www.salon.com/2012/05/04/bush_vs_obama_jobs/
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It gets even worse when you consider that G.W. Bush only created one million ninety five thousand jobs total. In eight years. Almost half of those jobs were in the Public Sector.
And Mr. Romney wants to double down on the Yahoo Mantra that Tax Cuts are going to create jobs.
This Mantra has been proven wrong so many times and so many different ways that if there are any of you’ll Yahoo’s left that really believe it and aren’t just repeating talking points I’ve got some land down by the creek that I would be happy to talk to you about. Heck it’s relatively dry about 2 months’ out of the year.
In the meantime I wouldn’t depend on selling this to the American People.
They say there’s a Sucker born every day but it’s been my experience that it takes a Republican/T.P. Yahoo to not recognize when his shoes are filling up with water.
Hey IR...
Hope you are handling these Capitals overtime losses better than me. Ugh!
Daum RedNecks telling the Truth ( What a Snob) again! As the Imaginary Great Ronnie RayGun would say " There You Go Again"! Every time a Republican is President, a NEW SMALLER Government Agency gets Created!
With that said, today will be another "Shiny Object " day in the make believe world of Carnival Barkers(formerly known as the MSM).
Yesterday, WTI Oil closed around $98 a barrel & thats Down $6 from last thursday. Hey, it may creep up some today, who knows, but since Oil & Gas prices are coming down, it's Not the Economy anymore, our Carnival Barkers wanna talk about, it's a Social Issue they wanna have America believe is Most Important.
VP Joe Biden reaffirmed his Loooooooooooooooooooong held belief on How he feels about Gay Marriage, but our Carnival Barkers would have ya believe, he made New News sunday. Ima guessing with the Train of Thought in DC haveing run off the Track a long time ago, That would be News to them, but in this World of Tubes we crawl thru every day, a simple Click can direct ya to Bidens beliefs thru his Life.
So which is It Carnival Barkers "The Economy" or Social Issues, that Americans are More Concerned with!?
Them Nationals are looking like Contenders this Year & Congrats to You My Friend, being one of thier Many fans!
You Betcha!
Occupy SoggyBottom!
Independent Redneck Va.
Bush vs. Obama: Jobs
They say there’s a Sucker born every day but it’s been my experience that it takes a Republican/T.P. Yahoo to not recognize when his shoes are filling up with water.
Thanks for the link
I agree the yahoo Republicans/Teabaggers are not cognizant of water. That's why they don't mind getting pee'd on from that trickle down their corrupt leaders shower them with.
"In the first year of President Barack Obama's term, the country lost about 4.2 million private-sector jobs.
But as of last month there are now more private-sector jobs in the United States than there were in January 2009, when President Obama took office.
You read that right. Since bottoming out in early 2010, the country has added back 4.2 million private-sector jobs, and is now into positive territory for President Obama's term."
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/05/private_sector_jobs.html
Independent R, on the other side:
Since 2010, Republican governors have cut over 600,000 public sector jobs. 200,000 of these jobs are teachers - the majority of them are women with families.
Ron Indiana
While it will be an uphill battle for Democrats, Indiana may become a blue shade of purple.
Ron, I am so glad to have you set the record straight with a glimmer of hope.
It is way beyond time to get rid of the IN-San-Tea party.
Good morning Backhouse
The Anti-Austerity mood is growing in Washington, reflecting Europe's uproar over same.
Also:
This chart shows that the U.S., which hasn’t embraced austerity, is doing better than both the Eurozone and the austerity happy United Kingdom:
CHARTS: Austerity In Europe Hasn’t Worked
Francois Hollande yesterday successfully ousted Nicolas Sarkozy from the French presidency, winning a run-off election between the two by a vote of 52-48 percent. The Center for American Progress’ Matt Browne noted that Hollande “is a pragmatic progressive who realizes that austerity alone hasn’t worked, and that what Europe needs is a realistic strategy for job creation and economic growth.”
Indeed, the French vote, alongside elections in Greece in which voters abandoned pro-austerity parties in droves in favor of extremists, was a stark reminder that voters have no patience with forced economic sacrifice that isn’t paired with efforts to boost growth and create jobs. And here are three charts showing that the austerity policies adopted by European nations have certainly not delivered. The first, from the Financial Times’ Martin Wolf, shows that austerity goes hand in hand with a contracting economy
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/07/479765/charts-austerity-no-work/
Nice fuzzy math. Now. Let's look at reality.
As of April 30,2012, there were one million, four hundred sixty three thousand FEWER employed persons in this county than there were on December 31, 2008.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12000000?output_view=net_1mth
Now do you understand why so many of us harp on the civilian labor force numbers- which are now down to 1981 levels? Surely nether you, nor the writer of this drivel, believe that a million and a half government employees lost their jobs.
I said yesterday, and repeat again- Obama supporters are either the gullible, or the willfully ignorant. I wonder which of these groups the writer of this tripe belongs to.
It’s a good time to be a Sports fan in your Nation’s capital (except for the Wizards who couldn’t pay attention)
Frank Win or Lose you got to cheer the quality of Hockey that we’re seeing. I love it.
Ky. Truth teller The Natinals have surprised everybody and they’ll probably fade a little as the season goes on but for once we ran the dreaded Phillies Fans out of town with their tails between their legs. Orioles put a hurting on Pat’s Red Sox too
Bev My Lady good analogy I hadn’t thought of that one. Thank you I’ll store it for future use.
Oh Yeh NoJo you wouldn't know reality if it reached up and bit you on the...... uuuuuum............ knee.
I was really surprised to see the statistics showing that government sector jobs grow more under Republican administrations than under Democrats. I guess it is proof that if you say something long enough and loud enough people start to believe it, which is why we need to keep pointing out the truth to counteract it.
Feisty has proven itself to be a Liberal Hack that's job is to be FIRST post to attest to "evils" of Republican Party. Check the MSNBC articles, it's almost always the first poster, always ANTI conservative. WHY would MSNBC plant someone so blatantly?
NOW, regarding the actual CONTENT.
I guess Romney is waiting for OBAMA to do the same thing...
YOU know...LIKE
A: apologizing to former POTUS Bush for calling him Unpatriotic...as Obama called him so for raising debt ceiling. I guess some 5 years later Obama doesn't feel it's the same.
B: Obama's treatment of Sandra Fluke compared to Brooke Palin, Sarah Palin. Lord Lowbama jumps on Rush, but is MIA when it comes to the constant barrage the Libs through out at Conservative women. IDIOTICALLY Liberals try to convince people that it's "different" as Maher and Letterman are "entertainers" but Limbaugh is nothing different. But Of Course, all it takes is Obama MANNING up on that.
There are many others, but Libs don't care, why bother...
Lugar looses for ONE reason. He is very liberal, I dont care what party your with. If your a lib, your a lib. BOZO goes also!! And YES I agree with the treason comment. You could add some other dimwitted dems to the list also!
Independent Redneck Va. "There is a number buriey Andrew Leonardd in today’s government labor report that deserves closer examination: 35,000. That’s the net number of private sector jobs created during the Obama administration to date."
Interesting tactic - start with a falsehood, and then expound on why it's significant.
According to the official government source on jobs (the Bureau of Labor Statistics), the total employment for Bush's last full month in office (December 2008) was 134,379,000, while the last figures available (April 2012) shows total employment of 132,989,000 for a net LOSS of 1,390,000 jobs under Obama.
Average figures are even more telling;
The average number of jobs for 2008 (Bush's last year, including losses at the end of 2008) was 136,790,000.
The average number of jobs for 2011 (Obama's third year) was 131,359,000, for an average loss of 5,431,000 jobs after 3 years under Obama.
It's no better for 'private' employment, with average 'private' employment dropping by by 5,027,000 workers under Obama.
The link to the OFFICIAL BLS site is;
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
Oh no, not you again! If I only had the time to write a rebuttal but I have to go to work. But, I will quickly state the jobs data you're referring to during that time was very speculative at best and even to this day is still debated.
Under Bush we lost 700,000+ jobs per month--Obama we're GAINING jobs steadily.
Gooooood!!! Could'nt stand that MF when I left Indynoplace 36 years ago!!! "Ron Paul, 2012".
Backhouse, Gov Brown has cut education funding as well and I do believe he is a Democrat. This article claims gas prices are down, apparently they missed the San Diego area as gas prices here have risen 5 cents $4.31 for mid grade. This article also missed another reason for Lugar's apparent loss that being a bill that gives the UN power over our Military's use as well as other strangleholds of our country
YOU CAN KEEP COLLAPSING BUT IT DOESNT CHANGE THE TRUTH!!...Lugar looses for ONE reason. He is very liberal, I dont care what party your with. If your a lib, your a lib. BOZO goes also!! And YES I agree with the treason comment. You could add some other dimwitted dems to the list also!
Romney's ignoring the woman that wanted Obama to be tried for treason was the correct thing to do. Why would anyone want to engage this woman's nonsense? By ignoring here question, you imply there is no credibility, which is what he did.
Nothing good ever comes from engaging in a dialog with crazy people.
All of you red states are the ones losing. You are losing your minds, access to education, union rights, decent salaries, your jobs and your civil rights. Lugar is one of the only Reps with the balls required to stand up to the insane remnants of the Tea Party. I can't stand how he's voted on a lot of things, but he's got more sense than any teabagger.
Not only did Bush increase the federal beaucracy by 1.7 million with Homeland, Part D, and NCLB, etc....He sent 2 million unemployed youts to the middle-east.
Obama reduces the size of government and brings our soldiers home and is criticized by the GOP for not creating jobs fast enough....As the super pacs hang-on to $11 trillion in profits and GOP tax breaks.
One thing is for sure, the writer of this article sucks at his trade.
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I guess I won't be watching any George Clooney movies at the theaters in the future. What an idiot he is in supporting a failure like Owebama.
Would someone give Ron Paul a clue and tell him that it is impossible for him to win the nomination? All those in front of him have dropped out. Earth to Paul: Its over. Done. Stick a fork in it.
Every single non-media article of nothing but facts from the labor dept I can find shows the number of jobs in Jan 2008 vs the number of jobs today being 2 million lower. That's quite a magic trick to skew that as a positive gain on jobs when you consider the population actually GREW since then. 59 of the last 60 jobs reports have been "adjusted" higher to make the next months numbers look better. It's really blatantly obvious what they're doing.
Anyway, back to the topic of the ARTICLE:
21 days to Texas primaries. Nice job leaving that one off and not even mentioning which group caused this long delay. Not many people in Texas even like Romney and things may have been very different in the front-runner today had it not been for a left wing group claiming racism in district lines & ignoring supreme court decisions against them and just starting the judicial process over & over to delay the primary.
Lugar lost touch with middle class and poor American familys years ago .. he has never supported any bill that would put food on the table of middle class America .. his support has always been for the top 2% .. Good riddance to the senile old geezer
Wet Willy,
I agree with your comments. Another good phrase to use with these Liberals I have seen:
"Never Argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience!"
indy jim:
Your comment about Lugar is pretty spot on; the guy never had any consistent core values, but tended to follow the prevailing winds of current popularity.
As for your "senile old geezer" comment, don't be so snarky. You're going to join those ranks someday, and it comes much sooner than you think.
truetexan - As a Hoosier, I can tell you that you are correct. Lugar is liberal by the standards set by the tea party.
For those of us who try to find middle ground, he is a great man who trys to represent us ALL. He is a republican and is slanted hard that way. But he is not "unwilling" to lean back to the center to get things done. While he might not be the most liberal republican, he has voted with democrats on many issues.
I voted for Lugar today. I am sick of hard line partisanship. The tea party only guarantees more stone-wall tactics, more gridlock, more crap to divide this nation in ways the liberal "progressives" only dream of. Mourdoch guarantees that divide will widen.
Sorry Alan 290, but in your case we would have to drag you UP to our level to have any kind of rational discussion.
Keep watching FOX and listening to Rush and be part of the problem.
Those of us who can think for ourselves and don't relay on propaganda and lies spoon-fed to us by FOX and Limbaugh will continue to try and save America. A country OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people, ALL THE PEOPLE.
Obama/Biden 2012
Well said Steeler Fan.
I was really surprised to see the statistics showing that government sector jobs grow more under Republican administrations than under Democrats.
I'm not surprised at all. I've known for years that Republicans say one thing and do another. Look at the Bush administration -- the largest expansion of government since LBJ, the most nation-building since the end of WWII, massive spending, turning the largest surplus of all times into the largest debt of all times. Yet they tell us they want smaller government, lower spending and lower debt, no nation building. Look at republican governors -- nothing but big government telling women what to do. Republicans LOVE big government and that takes a lot of government workers.
concernedone...There is one thing I agree with the dems. on and that is if you are voted into office its for one reason. That is to go forward with your (and your parties) agenda. Its not to compromise the reasons you were put there for. We need conservatives in office not compromisers.
If Lugar is eighty years old he is probably old enough to retire and he should be able to afford to retire. Most salary men never have a job that they would want to work at until they are that old. I am 69 and I am glad I am retired and have enough money to live comfortably.
Hey Skip, please help "drag me up" to your level. Give me three reasons why I should vote for a liberal agenda of higher taxes and increased government spending and how those reasons will result in increased employment, reduced government spending/debt and overall economic growth.
Bush with his Party in controll deregulated everthing that brought this country to it's knees. Jobs went over seas, banks deregulated to sell junk bonds bringing the country to near depression era, two wars costing ten Billion a month not to mention the billions it will cost the future in war time injuries. Oh yea! Bush did a lot for the country! Not one damn thing was good!
While bush claimed he hunted Bin Laden he was photo opted walking holding hands with Saudi Prince's the country where the 9/11 terrorist emanated from what a great American Bush is. Holding hands with the real enemy.
Wake the hell up!!!!
Fiesty, trying to out do Hilary in stupid comments about Ann and Mitt won't help your inconsequential remarks any.
Skip Nicholson,
I flaged your comment for having no value, because that is what it has. No frikin value. Drag me up to your level. Impossible. You cannot drag someone up to the lowest level, zero intelligence.
Oh, and I do not listen to Rush. Sorry Scooter.
And, if you think you are trying to "save America" you have to be kidding me. Save it from what? You and all your stupid liberal friends all want a free ride on the coattails of those that worked their asses off to be successful. There are so many handouts given from the government to people that refuse to work and get off of government dependence, its pitiful. More handouts are coming in the form of Owebamacare, which is going to cost us way more than they projected because they do not know what the hell they are doing. Remember Nancy Pelosi's comment "We have to pass the bill before we can read it and find out what is in it." Right, real smart. That kind of thinking is going to save America. Social Security is in big trouble. Medicare is in trouble. Hell, the government can't even run a stupid post office at a profit. Our economy is in the dump, PRIMARILY DUE TO THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT. Do some research on that if you do not know what that was about. Welfare is a joke. Owebama is a joke and has lost respect for America around the world. If that is what you call "saving America", you better think again. More of the same will not cut it.
Romney for President in 2012! Get Owebama and that clown, Biden, out of there!
Jerry who did Obama bow to? Tad just look at the ridiculous amount of votes for some of her comments please, at least use some chapstick people
Jerry,
Bush left office in January 2009, have you been in a coma? The article is about current events. If we are going to discuss the past why don't you say something mean about Lincoln or Jefferson?
Obama has failed to produce the results he promised. If he runs on his record he loses. They can slant the job numbers all they want, but bottom line too many Americans are unemployed or under employed.
truetexan - So with an attitude like 'absolutely NO compromise', how do you expect to get anything done in this country.
What you speak of is civil war.
Sarah said it well in an earlier post... She and I are very different - she is a die hard liberal, I am a die hard conservative... But we can agree that the TRUTH lies somewhere in the middle between us. She won't get all she wants, and I won't get all I want. But in the middle - at least we both get something.
How does your spouse feel about your 'all no nothing' attitude? Does it work at home?
Oh My!
I see where having the majority on my side has struck a certain someones nerve! lol
Too bad... so sad... to always be on the wrong side of things...
my wife is an adult and can do as she pleases. That includes voting. I dont believe in making her or anyone do anything they dont want to do willingly. I also believe the best thing for this country is for the gov. to go on vacation and stay until they are truly needed. The more they are at "work" the more of our rights we seem to lose. Tell me that I am wrong about what the dems do. If I was wrong we wouldnt have "health care" rammed down our throats. Along with other things. If we dont stand for what we believe in what are we suppose to stand for?
The Little Red Hen version 2012
"Who will help me plant my wheat?" asked the little red hen.
"Not I," said the cow.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the goose.
"Then I will do it by myself." She planted her crop and the wheat grew and ripened.
"Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.
"Not I," said the duck.
"Out of my classification," said the pig.
"I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.
"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.
"Then I will do it by myself," said the little red hen, and so she did.
"Who will help me bake the bread?" asked the little red hen.
"That would be overtime for me," said the cow.
"I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.
"I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.
"If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.
"Then I will do it by myself," said the little red hen.
She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see.
They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share but the little red hen said,
"No, I shall eat all five loaves."
"Excess profits!" cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)
"Capitalist leech!" screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)
"I demand equal rights!" yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)
The pig just grunted in disdain. (Harry Reid)
And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouting obscenities.
Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, "You must not be so greedy."
"But I worked hard all by myself and earned the bread," said the little red hen.
"Exactly," said Barack the farmer. "That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle."
And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful, for now I truly understand."
But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free. And all the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established.
Individual initiative had died but nobody noticed; perhaps no one cared so long as there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for.
EPILOGUE
Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs.
Hillary got $8 million for hers
That's $20 million for the memories from two people, who for eight years repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember anything.
IS THIS A GREAT BARNYARD OR WHAT?
Wake up, this is your wake up call so wake up and smell the coffee amigo.
The liberal agenda you refer to was made up by FOX NEWS and RUSH LIMBAUGH. The only tax increases proposed by the current administration will effect only the top 2% of the population. Everybody else stays the same or gets a slight decrease in their taxes.
The fact are not on your side. It is the GOP who are the tax and spend leaders, not the democrats. Every and I mean every GOP administration since Carter has increased taxes, increased the size of the government and in GBII's case damned near bankrupted the country with two unfunded wars and he STILL didn't get the bad guy. Remember?
It was President Obama who prevented the economic melt-down of the worlds economy and who bagged bin Laden.
Those are all facts. Hard historical facts. Not lies. Not propaganda. Not what you will hear daily on FOX or Limbaugh.
RIIIIIIIING this is your wake up call wake up.
Obama/Biden 2012
Truetexan,
Love it! -
Feisty, actually I'm not on either side, but the side of the people, yes there are times where your comments deserve a thumbs up, but some times they lack and still get a ridiculous amount of thumbs up, just trying to keep it real
Alan, I disagree. When you ignore the comment, you leave room for interpretation, which is what Liberals are doing. Mitt Romney played right into the Democrats hands by NOT addressing the comment.
When you address the comment immediately, you leave no doubt as to where you stand. I don't agree with Democratic tactics at times but Mitt's lack of response only goes to prove how much of a "yes man" he is and also goes to prove his lack of true leadership.
As for your comment about not watching any George Clooney movies, what are you, an adolescent? I would expect that type of response from someone in grade school, Jr. High, or High School. I would not expect that type of response from a mature, responsible adult. It shows a complete lack of character to say you won't watch a movie someone is in simply because of their beliefs.
There are some who have stated President Obama is a divider, including many members Congress from the Republican party. Yet by making that very claim, they are perpetrating the very thing they accuse the President of doing. The question I'd like to ask is that if that is the case, then what are they doing to unite people instead of dividing. They may not be the President but they also have the ability to help unite and heal the country. Up to this point, I have yet to see that from any Republican member of Congress.
Truetexan, I've heard others make the comment about treason, and yet not one person can state EXACTLY what the President has done to warrant that claim as treason is defined by the Constitution. The term is thrown around like a beachball at a beach party.
In true Texan form you have confused Bill and Hilary Clinton with Ronald Reagan...
Reagan was the one who couldn't remember anything (or couldn't hear the question to being with.)
Right.....
Pay attention alan290 - giving you pearls here
Health Care News
POLITCO: A new study finds U.S. health care spending "dwarfs" that of any other industrialized country, but that doesn't mean the U.S. has better quality of care. In fact, the U.S. ranked toward the bottom for the number of doctor consultations, the length of hospital stays, and the number of hospital beds. According to the study, costs are driven up by high prices for medication and medical services, expensive technology, and the prevalence of obesity and diabetes.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/75851.html
POLITCO: Even after three years of campaigning against the Affordable Care Act, House Republicans remain divided about what replace the law with, if they successfully repeal it. They have only managed to agree about a few basic tenets, like requiring insurance companies to accept all applicants, but even that main idea has been ignored in a replacement plan put forward.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75767.html#ixzz1tcWj80xG?tw_p=twt
TPM: The agency that oversees Medicare reports that reforms in the Affordable Care Act saved seniors a total of $3.4 billion in prescription drug costs in the two years since the law's passage, with savings resulting from a combination of discounts on Medicare prescription drugs and rebates for seniors who fell under a coverage gap.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/how-obamacare-is-saving-seniors-billions-on-meds.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29&tw_p=twt
Since we are talking employment I thought I would include this from Newsweek whom I trust a lot more than Backhouses' left leaning and Soros funded American Progress. They present a pretty good argument as to why Obama's rosy jobs picture is a product of smoke and mirrors.
Seems that something like 3.7 million have disengaged from the labor force since the start of the recession. read about it here.
Newsweek article on reasons for improvements in jobless numbers
Rick,
No one should be surprised. This is the same method that the BLS has used for decades to report unemployment.
There are plenty of other reports that try to report actual unemployment. I say “try” because once people “drop out” it is almost impossible to track them – there is no official reporting requirement or tracking method.
Rick 312779 news week might have good numbers fromt he beginning of the recession that was created by a conservative leadership. The country was handed the recession under the Bush administration. It took the country ten years to recover from the 1930's depression and only because of world war two.
Obama inherited this mess form the conservatives and if you expect Romney to get us out of it good friggin luck. Romeny will finish what Bush started another depression after he makes his wealthy friends wealtheir at the expense of the middle class and when you are of retirement age you will be eating dog food.
Dennis: I have to agree with you on the cost of healthcare. I just got a bill from a local hospital, where I had gone for an ER visit. The doctor NEVER came into the room, stood at the door and told me to go to the local drugstore and get Mucinex. The problem was that I had taken a new medication which had caused me severe breathing problems....he didn't even step into the room and listen to my lungs, etc. For this, I was charged over $1,000!! Actually, my insurance company was charged, but I made it a point to write a NASTY letter to the hospital administrator. Since I'm in the medical field myself, I was a little upset at the lack of patient care that I received and the unbelievable fee I was charged. I wouldn't have even gone there if I hadn't been told by the EMT's that came to my house that I should go to the ER to get checked out. Guess I was paying for all the other people in the ER that were NOT covered by insurance!!! Heck, the EMT's did more for me than the doctor at the hospital! I should send the money to them!! I'll be THRILLED when the new healthcare goes into affect!! It's just too bad that most people don't realize how much it will help them....but, then again, they are busy listening to Faux News!!
Please explain to me how the health care law is going to magically endow people with the ability to pay for health insurance when they couldn't afford it before.
Gingerfizz: Apparently, you have no idea what the healthcare plan will do. With more people buying insurance, it raises the "pool" that each insurance company has....and, because they have to use a certain percentage of the money they get from their customers to pay for medical care, your payment (and everyone else's) will decrease. As for those who can't afford it....they will be offered a policy that is affordable and will get a small subsidy from the government (from what I understand) to help them pay for it. I'd rather MORE people had medical insurance because, as I said before, I'm getting tired of paying for those individuals (and not just the poor) who are too irresponsible to buy insurance (even if they can afford it) because they have this weird idea that they'll never get sick.....trust me, it only takes ONE accident or ONE major illness to clear out your bank account, and age and health has nothing to do with it!
Not worth the time it took to read.
Dennis, that's a good and timely post.
And this is why Mr. Obama chose to go after healthcare reform first. It was the heavy lifting. Regrettably, he was unaware that the Redeemerd ahd already decided against any lifting.
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First Arthur Leavitt of the SEC allowed Citi Corp and The Travelers Group to Merge in 1998 which was in violation of Glass-Steagal.
Then the democrats forced the amendment of a beefed up version of CRA to Gramm-Leach-Bliley that was passed to legalize that merger in 1999.
Then Bill Clinton ignored the warnings of Brooksley Born and instead took the advice of his Council of Economic advisers and prevented regulation of the derivatives market.
Then Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schummer and the Congressional Black caucus fought all attempts to bring the offending institutions under regulation. Not only that but demonized any attempt at regulation as racist.
Then the democrat controlled congress dumped around 5 trillion in toxic paper on the market in late 2007.
Would you like to see if I can come up with some more? If you would like I can provide you with links but so far you liberals have chosen to ignore them.
Ah, the "larger pool" argument. Yes I have heard this before, and let me explain to you why it makes no sense. This argument assumes there will a mass influx of healthy individuals into the pool to dilute the cost of those high risk cases. In actuality, nothing could be farther from the truth. The new additions will be those people who have never had regualr healthcare and consequently gone without preventative care, regular checkups, etc. Additional risk will be injected into the pool - not taken out. Combine that with the classic market forces of supply and demand (30 million new additions with no increase in supply) and prices are not going anywhere but up under Obamacare.
I can't help but notice that the liberals posting on here are quick to respond when they can take a drive by shot at a post but if the post requires some thought they just don't respond.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio (in your earlier post)
"savings resulting from a combination of discounts on Medicare prescription drugs and rebates for seniors who fell under a coverage gap."
The word rebates (I'm guessing) is very ambiguous as used in the link. I need more info to clarify, because it could very well be reference to coverage provided (by taxpayers) under Donut Hole coverages introduced by the Healthcare Affordability Act. Is this the case?
If it is, then it's not truly a savings, but a movement from privately funded (individual) payment, to taxpayer funded payment via transfer from one part of government to another.
Our system is broke, but the law that was passed is the worst of both worlds. It's either a Congressional like coverage, or leave it completely alone. The halfway approach we have now is a disaster for everyone.
I wonder if Mr. Obama has learned his lesson about trying to work with a party that really doesn't want to work with him. I see a possibility of the dems burying the Redeemers and Mr. Obama winning re-election and with the SCOTUS striking down the ACA, it may be that Congress goes back to the drawing board and designs a single payer plan a la Medicare that will pass Constitutional muster. This foolishness on the part of Mr. Obama's opponents could come back to bite them with a vengeance. A single pyer system is what they should have done all along. It pretty much goes without saying that the dems desperately need to dump Reid and tell the GOP in the Senate," get on board or get run over. The train's pulling out." I can't help wondering if they're up to that...
Maybe people do not like to work with the communist party of the Obama administration.
Same ol' tone-deaf Romney. Same ol' tone-deaf GOP.
Santorum says wanting people to go to college makes you a "snob". Romney says people looking for assistance in going to college just want "free stuff".
Even amongst the regulars on this site people just don't get it. Someone looking at massive student debt thinking that it's simply a college student going on fancy vacations and partying too much while having no grasp of how expensive college has become.
Consider...the cure for cancer might lurk somewhere within the mind of a child who might not be able to go to college without help. What will you do with that cure?
According to Willard, all a student has to do is ask to borrow the money their parents. He is so out of touch with the real world.
You know, Noid, where all this fails is when it comes to what lawyers refer to as "the reasonable person" standard.
Now, I get that Obama groupies- and that includes the press- believe that a random woman making a statement is enough to sink Romney's presidency- but a reasonable person looks at the situation and says, "so what?"
It wasn't Romney who said it. He would not have changed her mind. It was, in fact, exactly the kind of hyper-inflated nonsense that leaves reasonable people secure in their belief that the press is less honest than used car salespersons.
As to the poor, overwhelmed medical student- I'm really sorry that he will have student loans to pay off. What else would he like, free? Houses are expensive, and he will be saddled with a 30 year mortgage. Is that, somehow, unfair?
Cars are pretty expensive, and, let's face it, any self respecting doctor should be driving a Lexus, or a Merceds, or some other luxury car. Why should he have to shoulder the burden for that? Is it not a fact that he benefits society greatly because he chose to go to medical school? Is he not entitled?
Groceries are pretty expensive these days, and, face it, he needs to eat well to maintain his health. Add to that the fact that his long hours pretty much preclude him from cooking himself, so he should probably eat at restaurants that specialize in whole foods, fresh vegetables- in other words, no junk. I guess we need to provide that for him, too- because, after all, it benefits us if he is healthy and well fed.
Of course, doctors have been known to burn out, with the stress and long hours. Burn out leads to mistakes, so it is very beneficial for him to go away on relaxing, revivifying vacations regularly. Resorts are good for that, but horribly expensive. Since it is to our benefit that he be refreshed and well rested, of course we should pay for that! And be grateful that we are doing it!
I, for one, am sick to death of people who are convinced that I owe them an education, food, shelter, and whatever else to which they feel entitled. All that they are promised is the opportunity to pursue their desires- not to have them granted, and certainly not to have them handed to them on silver platters.
So, to future doctor whatever his name is, I say- pay your own damn loans. No more free stuff. I can't afford it.
You know what's really ridiculous, NoJoe? These same imbeciles are the ones that will be crying "greed", "one-percenter" and (gasp) "rich person" when a med student goes on to make a VERY nice living as a doctor. Living in a nice, big house with nice cars and lots of money is a "crime" to these OccuCommies and their ilk.
If Lugar is defeated, it means that the Republican Party has gone completely off the cliff. He has been a statesman, an honest broker of what he believes. This is a continual purge of anyone from the Republican Party that does not traffic in hate and mindless soundbites. All of you who will be voting against this good man, should be ashamed of yourselves.
The larger issue is Mittens and his inability to summon any courage whatsoever to challenge the far right wing. Bryan Fisher, radio talk show host, first claimed that they now "own" Mittens, and can "whip him into shape" on any issue, and then denigrated him for his lack of courage. May be the one time I agree with this wingnut. If Mittens cannot stand up to little Bryan...he will have little success on the national stage.
And then we have Mittens and his complete fabrication as to who saved the auto industry! Mittens, never at a loss for propping up his own ego (and does his arm EVER get tired from patting his own back) says that he and he alone saved the industry, claiming, laughably, that his President took his advice to allow bankruptcy. Mittens completely divorces himself from the op ed he wrote decrying the use of a taxpayer bail out that actually saved the industry! This man is so devoid of any insight, and honesty that he is dangerous. To himself, believing that someone so ill prepared could serve as President..and to the nation that he is trying to deceive.
Vote for him at your peril.
I guess we deduce from no jo's usual blather that her son paid cash for law school.
Well, we know he never spent a day in the military.
Even though she has no problem sending other kids off to war!
When did getting loans for school become getting something "free"?
"the reasonable person" standard
At first I thought you were just someone with differing economic ideas, differing priorties. A reasonable person who could explain their ideas, quite expertly in fact and contribute to the debate.
However, your increasing half truths about insignificant issues like Obama's golfing and eating habits have intensified. Now your refusal to question Romney for not standing up to that woman. With this latest bit of satire you incorrectly claim that college students or by extension liberals are only concerned with getting free things, unwilling to work. Your labeling of people who have different ideas than you are gullible, sheep, worshippers - fill in the blank.
Your fascination of late with demonizing all things Obama, no matter how trivial, you can no longer claim the reasonable person standard - at least not with me.
No Jo a reasonable person who I thought contributed positively to this blog? I'm beginning to think I was wrong. Unfortunately, I have learned that there are very few reasonable people who contribute to this blog.
Now you have links to people who have access to military databases. Ive asked you several time.... to tell me any of my 7 duty stations. Or perhaps my Discharge date.I have my DD214 right here , I can verify.
Yellowdog---I think there are a lot of reasonable people who post here. Sadly, some people try to drown them out. The "ignore" feature helps to filter those people.
President Obama has been trying to address the interest rate on student loans. Romney last week said he agreed with that. Now he accuses the President of offering "free stuff" to get votes. Excuse me---the debate was over keeping the interest rate at 3.4%--I'd hardly call that free. Seems like another Romney flip flop to me.
When did you go to college? How much did it cost? Since middle class earners have been flat for the last 20+ years, how would you absorb an increase of 600% for the cost of college? Would you even be able to consider going to college without student loans? How does it help our country by taking away the ability for the lower and middle class to better themselves? Should only the rich go to college and learn how to be massahs o'er the unwashed masses?
The middle class is disappearing and you want to take away a path to betterment? How will they become like Romney without a college education? How can they yearn to own a mansion with a golf course?
We don't need communism but we do need a leveling of the playing field. We need a combination of socialism and capitalism. Romney represents pure capitalism and that is the road to disaster. Romney would get rid of all fed backed student loans and get rid of the dept of education - that's the Norquist plan and all Norquist needs is a hand to sign his edicts into law.
It's odd that the Left is so up in arms about someone in the crowd calling for Obama to be tried for treason, but yet the Liberals, many on these very pages, continuously called for Bush's impeachment. It's not up to the candidate to reprimand what everyone says, thinks, or believes in his audience. The Lefts skin sure gets thin when the tables are turned on their hero.
And Obama is not treasonous. He just incompetent.
By stopping the government from pumping more and more money into the system. There are only so many seats at our colleges and universities, by making more people eligible for those seats, that raises the price of each seat. Law of supply (static) and demand (growing).
Well, the law of qualifications must have kept poor JoAnna out of university.
Good Morning newdayDAWNING...RETURNED
When did getting loans for school become getting something "free"?
Maybe when Sean InSannity said so.
Hannity
discussesattacks his interviewee, an occupy Wall Street organziner by telling the organizer that he is getting free loans.Of course, we know college drop out, Sean Hannity, is the most least informed; in fact, more so than his lame brain viewers!!! His back should be sore from carrying Roger Ailes & demented Rupert Murdoch's water.
I think it is time to inform Hannity and his viewers loans are not free and the Tea Baggers the interest rate will double while the 1% enjoy tax breaks.
Here is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9FGVcjuR7o
Also, this scathing account from a former FOX NOISE employee further pulls the curtain back on these lying scammers.
Let's not forget the FOX MOLE!!!
New York Times’ Scathing Smackdown Of Roger Ailes And Fox News’ Brand Of Journalism
Bill Keller, the former executive editor of The New York Times – and a frequent Fox News target – wrote a scathing editorial about Roger Ailes and Fox News. Finally, a mainstream journalist not only gets exactly what’s wrong with Fox but is able to express it in perfect prose.
@JoAnna - And Obama is not treasonous. He just incompetent.
JoAnna, a statement that Romney could have made, but was afraid to.
Steeler, still haven't ignored anyone electronically, I just scroll down Damage, Michael1969 et. all. There are those on the left that I enjoy reading, including yourself and others, but there are some libs who I think bring nothing positive to the conversation and roll by as well.
There are some on the right who I don't agree with but enjoy reading as well. Kirk, Alan, NJ (hey whatever happened to Mixed Bag?) At times even JAS1 contributes, or asks pointed questions, No Jo used to as well.
Just another false issue raised by the Democrats. They are that easily offended when their hero is disrespected.
Beverly: incredible, isn't it? We put three through college, one is in law school, so trust me, loans are something I know about.
no jo is being disingenuous (if I were to be kind) or is lying (if I were to be honest.)
Bev in Chicago, they are called Pell Grants, BTW your OWSer also said he wouldn't work for anything less then $80,000 a year. He also claimed to be an anarchist yet knew nothing about anarchy just another poser. Newday so now you're a backer of a Republican, another with fake outrage. As far as Bush's tax breaks for the rich, a big joke that didn't accomplish anything, time to return to original tax level, which BTW isn't a tax hike. Since when was Obama's middle class tax break a tax break, taking money from SS which last I checked was my money in the first place. Both parties are playing you, and you're to blind to see.
"Consider...the cure for cancer might lurk somewhere within the mind of a child who might not be able to go to college without help. What will you do with that cure?"
It is very likely that the cure might also exist in one of the 25,000+ aborted babies that were flushed in Virginia in 2011.....But Democrats have no problem with THAT brain drain.
Yellowdog--I appreciate that and always enjoy your take on things. I am probably more in the category that I enjoy everyone that doesnt campaign for people rather than discuss issues. We can all have or share our opinions and have different views but those who just come on here to campaign and personally attack are a waste of time for everyone else who enjoys the debates. I really hate the cutting and pasting from the various websites. I wish for example that Backhouse wouldnt cut and paste campaign material and would instead say, what can we do to make college more affordable and do people think keeping student loan interest low makes a difference? Or instead of citing that GOP governors have laid off 200k teachers which isnt true he said we have had an overall increase in state and local government employees of 13% over the last 4 years but a decrease in demand for services or budgetary cutbacks, what should we do? I would prefer to discuss the issues and bring in your candidates views and why you think those will work over others. Much more credible and less prone to the personal attacks. I thought the debates last week on tax policy and various business issues were very good. It would be interesting if people discussed and debated more instead of attacking. For example on this someone last week said that all income should be taxed at the same rate without looking at the cost/benefits or behaviorial changes that will take place. I then get attacked for pointing out that dividends are previously taxed income and if you taxed them at the same rate as earnings, corporations would stop paying them and wealth would be built up inside the company until the person decided to sell--maybe upon death escaping tax when the best use of that capital is recycling it for greater investment and job growth which lower capital gains rates provide that incentive. Disagree with me and say why but the level of personal attacks sometimes are amazing.
@Yellowdog-Mark D
Wow! Why in the world would you think she was reasonable? Her hate was evident to me after reading just 2 or 3 posts. She is very hateful and disrespectful.
Steeler fan- good call. I've got quite a few people on ignore. And that's too bad...if they ever do say anything intelligent or worth reading, unlikely as that is, I'll never know it. It's probably time to add brianb, JoAnnaSmith, and NoJo on there...so much hate, so many lies and half truths...I hate liars and it's unacceptable to lie to smear someone. And a half-truth is a lie. brianb is one of the most prolific I've ever seen at half-truths. Hard to tell if they're that uninformed of just trying to lie and spin.
lets not forget Grover Norquest and his assesment of Mitt " all we need in a president is a republican with 5 digits to sign the legislation we want " IS MITT ALREADY JUST A LAP DOG EMPTY SUIT??
No-Jo:
No Joe you just don't get it!! No one expected him to change this lady's (used lightly) mind, but he could have corrected her and could have told the truth for once in his miserable life. That is what we get! So sorry this is so far out of your reach!
Thomas Blue are there any books you would like to ban? Someones opinion is just that, if you ignore everyone you disagree with then you've stopped debate. Believe it or not you can learn from others opinion.
"no jo is being disingenuous (if I were to be kind) or is lying (if I were to be honest.)" If? The possibility that you are unkind and dishonest? Tell me about disingenuous.
nahhh...write whatever you want.I don't have to read it. I appreciate constructive thoughts. I tire of nothing but vitriol.
wlee...I don't mind differing opinions.In fact, I appreciate it.But if somone can do nothing but call names and insult, well, that's not worth listening to. A good friend of mine changed my mind about gun control years ago. He did so by making an articulate, well reasoned argument that was supported by fact and after thinking about his points for some time,I had to conclude he was right. I learned. But he spoke like a friend, not a fanatic.
wlee-950886
Bev in Chicago, they are called Pell Grants, BTW your BROWSer also said he wouldn't work for anything less then $80,000 a year. He also claimed to be an anarchist yet knew nothing about anarchy just another poser.
What video were you watching?
He never said he was an anarchist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9FGVcjuR7o
In FOX Noise Hannity's website the occupier never said was an antichrist either.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html#/v/1620331294001/movement-occupying-insanity/?playlist_id=86924
FOX NOISE & IT'S ECHO CHAMBER LIES!!!!
The occupier wanted to work for 80k of course. He worked very hard to get a degree. But remember in the video KKKlanity wanted a college grad who is in grad school to bust suds. That sure does help this country in R&D so we can compete globally; doesn't it? Sean Hannity is a Newt Gingrich clone. Newt wanted kids to clean toilets.
Let me clue you in. Even if the occupier pounded the pavement have you noticed the Ma&Pa businesses are gone as well as the franchises? That's the problem with the capatilism the occupier was talking about.
wlee--Where are the damn jobs? Mitt, the Bushes, and his cronies got rid of them for cheaper labor!!!
FYI: Learn something a Pell Grant is not a loan. I did not hear Harrison Schultz say he had any grant. He did say he had loans
No Joe: I know a LOT of doctors since I'm in the medical field. Very few of them live in really big houses and drive really nice cars. Granted, they are upper middle class, but no more are they part of the 1%, trust me!! A couple of them even live in my middle-class neighborhood. You don't seem to realize that they have to pay hefty amounts of money for medical insurance, pay for their staff, pay for their office and the equipment, etc. It isn't as "rosy" as you seem to think it is nowadays!!
All Romney had to do was show some class and integrity and call the woman on her comment. He did none of these. He panders to the lowest level and is happy doing so.
NoJo - No one is asking to go to college for free. I don't know where you get the idea to equate student loans with "free." Perhaps you should actually read and learn a few things. I know it's tough but give it a try.
Obama/Biden 2012
SS, actually the guy debating Hannity said college should be free as well as housing, car. No Jo might have been talking about Pell Grants. Personally I want Romney to win not because of what he says, but because of what Obama promised and failed to deliver. Either way I'm not ready to sell the farm.
NJ should have said that if it was indeed what she meant - instead of her sweeping statement about going to school free. Romney presents nothing but you are ready to vote for him? How sad. He represents nothing; has no plans; changes his mind daily; and doesn't have the spine to show some integrity. Sorry - you can have him. I want nothing to do with a man who shows over and over again he cares for no one but himself.
SS, I'm always willing to give someone a chance, until they prove unworthy. Obama in his own words has proven that. If Romney wins and proves unworthy it's one and done.
wlee, that is the way one should look at a presidential race. Obama had his chance, and he blew it. Time for another person to try his hand. Obama only had "coolness", and no substance. Looking back, wth were we thinking in 2008, since there were absolutely no qualifications evident in Obama's past.
Obama wins another term,,,,Senate democrats get a super majority,,,,house majority returns to democrats,,,,,,channeling,,,channeling,,,,
Better pass that crack pipe. Your brain is fried and you are in fantasy land. LOL!
Omega...You can wake up now. It was only a dream. Your hero (if re-relected) will be the longest lame duck Prez. in history (6 years).
I don't think it's a dream. The dream is the Tea Pary out shouted, out smeared, out called in to TV and radio, out disrupted, out obnoxioused everyone else. So, they look like they got things the way they want. Problem is, the ONLY thing that counts is VOTES on election day. Oh, yeah, the Tea Party got control of the republican party BUT they chased away ALL the good candidates. The ONLY two with half a brain was Ron Paul (a REAL conservativ) and Mitt Romney (who will NEVER be one of them). But there is a real choice. And when all the other people you have NOT heard from in the last four years vote, it will NOT be for the Tea Party controlled Republicans, EVEN WITH Mitt Romney running. It IS all over.
trilliondollar - actually, the title of lame duck president belongs solely on Former President Bush. The worst president in the history of the United States.
It's not a dream, it'll will become reality in November. Four more years.
The Republican economic policy has been the same for a hundred years. They may change the verbiage but the ideas are etched in stone. End (not just cut) corporate taxes. End all government regulations on corporate America. Every chance they get, they sing the same song. Now with the republican party in the death grip of ultra-right wing, fascist, know nothing fanatics. they will take this country, socially, culturally and economically, back to the 19th century if given the chance.
Most polls show a huge Democratic victory is inevitable. Obama will win with 347 electoral votes (191 for Romney.) Here in VA, we keep our US Senate seat when Tim Kaine (one of the best Governors in VA history) defeats George "Macacca" Allen (worst Governor in VA history that made VA the #2 importer of out of state garbage behind PA.) It doesn't look good for the GOP at all!
That is simply bs Virginia Democrat. Most polls show a tight race so you have apparently taken your credibility and flushed it today.
Actually Jim, it is pretty simple:
The only question to ask this November is this:
Do we want to return to the high deficit Bush years by voting for Romney,
or would we rather have the balance & surplus we had under Clinton by re-electing President Obama?
Pretty cut and dried in spite of all the RNC-TEA-GOP spin, talking points, and "explanations" ("yeah, but...") that we all are so sick and tired of hearing.
FOUR MORE YEARS of moving forward and cleaning up dumbya/cheney's mess!
wow! So sure of yourselves!
better buckle up dems...it is never as easy you think
...and the fat lady hasn't even stepped onto the stage
trillion dollars:
What are the republicans/teathugs going to do, plot the demise of his presidency and The United States of America???? Oh, they already done that during his last inauguration!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html
Jim,
incorrect. While a national poll may show a close race nationwide, if we look at the electoral map, Obama has a massive, insurmountable lead. Right now, President Obama is leading in every swing state except Missouri. If the election were held today, President Obama would win with 347 electoral votes to 191 for Romney.
Romney has no viable path to 270.
Even conservative pollster, Rasmussen Reports, shows Obama leading in most swing states. Start thinking about who you'll run in 2016, because a Romney victory is not in the cards this year.
Virginia, that is Huffington post bs.
I'd imagine it probably is in Huffington Post.
Also in Conservative newspaper the Washington Times; http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-conservative/2012/may/8/swing-state-poll-shows-slight-lead-obama/
And in bipartisan beltway paper The Hill; http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/226027-poll-obama-leads-romney-by-seven-in-ohio
And in Politico, where the proprietor says "Drudge rules our world." http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/obama-has-voterenthusiasm-edge-in-swing-state-poll-122634.html
Real Clear Politics shows the President a lot closer to reelection than Romney is to unseating him; http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
Oh hey, lookie here...the Republican-leaning state of Virginia is swinging toward President Obama; http://www.nbcwashington.com/blogs/first-read-dmv/Swing-State-Virginia-Swings-Toward-Obama-150162465.html
How 'bout that, Virginia Democrat was right...Rasmussen Reports, the most Conservative-leaning of all pollsters has the President leading in enough swing states to rack up a sizeable lead in swing state electoral votes; http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/core_four_states/election_2012_the_core_four_states
But that's OK Dasvet, we're used to you telling us facts don't exist, don't say what they say, or don't matter. It's what you do...
Great post John.
You are correct; RWNJ's NEVER let facts get in the way of their TEA-RNC platform plank talking points. To them, truth has nothing to do with it.
Dick Lugar has to go. So does John Dingell. When politicans are in office this long it becomes a fiefdom, not a constituency. Term limits are definitely something i would support.
Detroit-Storm ~ just got back from voting and NOT for Lugar. There should be term limits and you should have to LIVE in the state you are representing.
With what a 12% approval rating we definitely need term limits as the genius's keep voting in the same people they give this approval rating too. To all you Democrats, when is it time to reel in spending 20, 40 60 trillion, to all you Republicans when is it time to realize you need the middleclass
Wlee - Good questions that need to be asked of both parties. Maybe if.......... aw never mind, that won't work either. I forgot that our congress is no longer answerable to the citizens of this country.
Two term limit for the President, then why not a two term limit for Congress. The only variation, I would even consider, is at least a minimum eighty percent of the vote, requirement for a third term.
In Alaska, Iowa, and Maine, Paul supporters swung party leadership elections in their favor.
My God, if six states were sending supporters of a candidate other than Obama, to the Democratic convention, the pundits would be bringing up Carter's fight with Kennedy, and forecasting an enthusiasm problem for Democrats, etc....but this is Ron Paul taking support from Romney, so: crickets.
Well at least Amy has learned to cut and paste. You can read this same post from her in multiple stories. Only Amy thinks Ron Paul having a few dozen delegates coming to the convention is news. Should make for quite a battle, yeah right. The mainstream media has more to worry about then a few delegates for Ron Paul, they are trying to figure out how to dress up the past four years of disaster from Obama to fool the voters again.
Those of us who look at the bigger picture of American politics share Amy's concern with what is going on in the Republican party and how it is NOT being widely reported or analyzed. There are major shifts going on in the party and no one seems to be responding to them.
Amy is from away and she lives in Portland Maine. The only people who would listen to her in Maine are the other people from away who live in Portland. Portland is a very small city, coming from the airport driving north if you look to the left to look at the tidal basin you will miss Portland. You would have to have lived in Maine to know the way the real Mainers think. They have in the past loved their republicans. Bill Cohen Jock McKernan and his wife Olympia. Amy speaks for very few people in Maine.
The Republican Party of toward is very dangerous, and their policies should scare the hell out of everyone.
jollyoldsoul1
You would have to have lived in Maine to know the way the real Mainers think. They have in the past loved their republicans.
But they don't love Romney, apparently, since Ron Paul supporters took over the state convention this past weekend, and Mitt has sent his lawyers to Maine to try and overturn the results. PS. "Real Maine" Republicans voted for Paul in the caucus, Romney won George Bush's hometown, Falmouth and Cape Elizabeth, ie. Millionaires' row.
Still talking out your chapped ass... eh?
I suppose you don't consider Stephen King a real Mainer either... lol
Stephen King: Tax Me, for F@%&’s Sake!
[snip]
I knew there was a reason I have been a fan of King for years!
It's okay Amy we're used to it, believe me there weren't crickets there on Sunday when we went to see Dr. Paul speak on the Capitol steps in Austin.
FitzsWife, what Amy means is that Romney supporters are not making a big deal out of the fact that Ron Paul, who has zero chance of being the Republican nominee, is snatching supporters from Romney as if he still had a chance, and no one is bringing that up the way they would if another Democratic candidate were taking votes from Obama.
In other words, Romney is not a man who inspires a lot of enthusiasm. In case it wasn't patently clear already. That's why the latest Gallup poll showed that, in swing states, Obama supporters are more enthusiastic about voting than Romney's.
Andres which poll are you talking about the North or the South?
Andres, Romney's people aren't saying anything because they know the last people they want to alienate are us Ron Paul supporters.
I remember reading quite some time ago that the objective of the TP was to take over the GOP. It appears that they have done that but have effectively turned the party into a fringe group like the John Birch Society. Let's hope that a large group of formerly moderate Republicans will split off and form a 3rd party. I think a third party would be beneficial for us all. Let us pray that in the meantime, enough Americans avoid drugs and brain injuries to keep the TP Redeemers confined to a fringe role. They are wacko but they are dangerous and they have very deep pockets with nefarious motives. I'm not sure that I can count the Libertarian party as a serious third party. They are maybe as extreme as the TP. But I suspect that the GOP that I grew up liking is in its death throes right now. This may well be their last serious shot at the WH unless they shoot all the teabaggers and break away from the Koch Bros., and the criminals Rove and Cheney. I don't really see all that happening.
I read that during Cheney's heart transplant he actually died for a little while but Satan sent him back here because he didn't want any competition for the leadership role in hell. I guess we're stuck with him.
Thomas funny thing is I feel the same way with the Liberals stealing the Democratic party, maybe they should split and form a fourth party.
That's a good observation,wlee...I can't disagree. I would love more options. Right now, it's tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum. It pained me in 2006 to choose between Bob Corker and Harold Ford...talk about holding your breath. Gag...
Thomas Blue - good one. Too bad he sent him back!
wlee- the Liberals are not stealing the Democratic party. The party has room for moderates and liberals - unlike the GOP who apparently only has room for the nut cases!
Obama/Biden 2012
SS your bias is showing and I know from past post you're better then that, Thomas couldn't agree more
I'll answer why, because he's been there 35 years, and he's hungry for a "legacy." Most dangerous type of pub, will roll over to get his name on some legislation that'll screw the country for 100 years. Get rid of him.
You are right, 30 plus years in office is waaaay too long for anyone. However, if this man is not being replaced with someone of character, Dem or Rep then it's the country's loss. Just replacing someone with 'just anyone new' can be a disaster if it happens too often. Just look at what all the new Republicans voted in in 2010 have done to our country. I don't think we need to repeat that mistake.
We need new blood, people with new ideas but they have to be of good character who care more about our country than their party, and anyone elected into office who signs pacts with a crazy person (ie. Grover Norquist) to not do what's best for our country and the people who elected them should be tried for treason and locked up.
My husband and I were looking at a video taken in the 1930's of new immigrants getting off the train and being so excited to be in the USA. We couldn't help but notice the difference in the behavior of everyone. We were a very different people then. It hasn't been that long since people cared about each other, helped each other out when times were tough and didn't resent it. I am not a person who normally looks back, preferring to look ahead, but I think we all need to take a step back and try and figure out when it was that we became the kind of people we are today. In that one area I do think we need to turn back a few years and become what we were then.
Lugar has been in Washington DC too long and needs to be put out along Hatch and some other career politicians who helped create the problems we face today. Enjoy you farm Dick and your big fat pension.
I've seen better articles than this.....falling out of a tall cow's posterior and landing on a flat rock with a loud "splat" sound.
Is it possible that Chuck Todd, Domenico Montanaro, Natalie Cucchiara, Carrie Dann, and Brooke Brower could find their way to work in the morning without being directed turn by turn ?
We really need term limits - for the sake of decency. Honorable people get elected and then after some time they change from being stateman to radical crazy people. If only there was a law that said 1) they can campaign for 6 months and the rest of the time, they must govern for the good of the country, and 2) when they speak, they have to speak truthfully (because some of us out here, unfortunately, take the double speak and spinning as the truth when its just politics - which gets back to point 1).
My main concern with term limits is it shifts more power from the candidate to the "political machine". A longer-term incumbent has their own staff and fundraising organizations in place, and are less dependent on PACs and the party.
An incumbent may also feel more comfortable in compromising and making decisions for the long-term good.
TNSEVOL, compromising does that word exist in Congress?
two terms and done
outlaw lobbists
VOTE THE TOG party ...The Other Guy!
Out with ALL incumbents 2012
Michelle,
I agree with you, except that I believe that it should be 3 months of campaign, with 1 debate per month, and no "paid speaker" jobs on the side.
That would be enough time to say what THEY are going to do about a problem(s), and what they have done in office up until that point. The debates would compare their ideas to their opponent's ideas. This 24/7 campaign stuff has got to go, they don't have time to study any problem, they're too busy working on getting re-elected, which is NOT what they're getting paid for.
I am a Republican, but Lugar has to go. He is dead weight and a perfect example of how many deadheads we have in congress just riding the money wave and caring less about the country's future...All these long term senile congressman need to be rooted out so we can get this country back on track.....They spend 2/3 of there short working day seeing influence peddling outsider's to fatten their financial nest and could care less about you and me......so disgusting
Well, I am NOT a Republican (or a Democrat), and Lugar was one of the few senators that I ever came to respect. In these highly divisive days, he was one of the very few who was still willing to work with Democrats on some issues, who made sure never to miss a vote, who voted on a bill-by-bill basis and not an issue-by-issue basis, and whose work on international diplomacy has had a real impact on the world. His work has directly or indirectly resulted in more than 7,500 nuclear warheads being deactivated. There's a reason why Obama almost made him his State Secretary.
Of course, that doesn't mean I revere him. He is, after all, a senator, and yes, he is part of the largely incompetent establishment. But I suspect he was the lesser of two evils. I've got this weird hunch that he won't be half as willing to engage in bipartisan collaboration or in sensible international diplomacy as Dick Lugar was.
AMEN!!! From a registered democrat!
Wait a minute... He represents a State that he DOESN'T LIVE IN ?????
Better than Mitt Romney, who in 2010 voted in a state in which he did not live. Yes, that's right, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee committed voter fraud. In 2010, Mitt flew back to Massachusetts, to show his support, and cast his vote for Scott Brown in the special election to replace the late Ted Kennedy. The problem is that Mitt Romney didn't live in Massachusetts at the time, didn't own property in Massachusetts and lied on the voter registration form, listing his place of residency as an address in the unfinished basement of his son Tagg's home. Massachusetts law defines a residence for voter registration purposes as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life.” Anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years behind bars and a fine of $10,000.
Both the Obama and Paul campaigns are sitting on this story until this summer where Ron Paul plans to use it to have Romney disqualified as a candidate, and thus steal the nomination and President Obama is likely going to use it in face to face debates.
Either way, the story will be coming out in the mainstream this summer, and we're in for some huge surprises.
That would be pure awesome lol I'd love to see a Paul vs Obama debate.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a Ron Paul supporter, I will be a proud part of President Obama's reelection. If Ron Paul is able to pull it off, Obama will still win quite handily.
Jeanne, ...and you're surprised? It's so common, most of them are long overdue for attempting to find their way home.
Virginia Democrat 78
Better than Mitt Romney, who in 2010 voted in a state in which he did not live. Yes, that's right, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee committed voter fraud. In 2010, Mitt flew back to Massachusetts, to show his support, and cast his vote for Scott Brown in the special election to replace the late Ted Kennedy
Thank you.
I hope Chuck Todd tweets this instead of a ludicrous question such as will Gays support Obama financially?
I posted this last year here on first read:
Did former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney commit voter fraud by registering his address as his son’s home in Massachusetts and then casting a ballot?
Well, at least one expert thinks he did — but that’s not the only Massachusetts-related problem for Romney.
Republicans are obsessed with voter fraud and proposals to require government issued IDs for voting actually threaten to disenfranchise millions of voters which tend to vote Democratic; yet their presumed candidate did what????
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/maddow-questions-whether-mitt-romney-has-committed-voter-fraud/
http://www.theliberaloc.com/2012/04/18/ocs-fred-karger-accuses-mitt-romney-of-committing-voter-fraud/
Beverly, what's wrong with showing ID, what are you so afraid of?
Virginia Democrat:
The word is out already. In addition to the two references above, and in the interest of piling on, here is another.
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/mitt-romney-almost-certainly-committed-voter-fraud-in-2008-could-this-be-ron-pauls-ticket-to-the-high-table/14568
Enjoy my friend, the truth always seems to catch up.
Charles,
It's not been mentioned in the mainstream yet, timing is everything. It should hit the mainstream media just before the GOP convention.
The real reason he'll lose is the crazies are now in complete control of the republican party. No one can get nominated or win an election without promising to take the country back to the stone age.
paul talk about crazies how about that worthless pos in the wh now thats crazy we got some thing for you come nov
Paul,
Remember what state we're talking about here. Indiana is one of the more racist states in the country, it is, after all, where the KKK saw is greatest growth and found a comfortable home (and yes, I know the right-wing retards will say the KKK was founded by Democrats, but anyone with a brain knows they were Dixicrats, a demographic that is solidly Republican today.) Hate is was drives the Indiana voter, and Teabaggers offer them the hate they so desperately cling to.
Virginia ,gee I thought it was Virginia, no wait wasn't it Ohio, no I think it was Mississippi. You guys and your racist comments, you'd think it was 1863. Just once try thinking for yourself.
"You'd think it is 1863." Sorry my man, but racism does not have a statue of limitation!!
Charles who said it did? Seeing it everywhere even where it doesn't exist makes a mockery of where it does.
Contradictions abound. People want government out of their lives, yet still expect government to guarantee their children will go to college. People want government out of their religion and morality, but want government to make a decision on same sex marriage. If each person would make rational decisions for themselves and their families and stop trying to blame someone else at every turn, this country just might stand a chance at some kind of recovery. Given a choice to live next to a pedophile or registered sex offender or skinhead or other extremist/activist, or a gay couple raising children in a loving home, I'm taking the latter choice any day.
lawful1, you left out a married hetero couple with children, but hey whatever.
It's time for Lugar to go. The arrogance of that individual to not even live in the state and claim he is their representative is ridiculous. Lugar has not lived in Indiana since Carter was in office! The people of Indiana deserve better and tonight they are going to get it.
Well shame on those folks for not residing in the state they represent. Seems to me there was a carpetbagger not long ago that ran for senate in the state of New York and got elected. Lets see, she was from Arkansas, resided at 1600 Pennsylvania ave for 8 years and decided to make New York her "home" for a little while.
Hey. Yall hear the latest news on Lizzie "I'm Not An Indian But I Play One In Liberal Land" Warren??? It seems she's hooked up with Ward "America Deserved 9-11" Churchill (another um...exaggerated Indian)!!! Congrats to the both of them! Apparently they've decided that between the two of them they might be able to scrape together roughly 1/64th of a REAL INDIAN! They're even thinking of having a baby to see if they can go for a larger fraction! God Bless em'.
Just shows the idiocy of looking at the world from a racist perspective.
I already voted for Mourdock and it felt good to vote against Lugar. But I voted for Ron Paul too and that felt even better.
Unfortunately your vote for Paul in a general election would be a vote for Obama. Don't do it!
Blamo, very true. I have a couple of problems with Romney, myself, but there are nothing but dire problems with Obama. Another term for this charlatan of a President could well be the end of this country, which is Obama's ultimate goal. Always has been his goal.
It's apparent you two don't have a clue.
Mo, how intelligent of you. If you have nothing to add, then consider not responding.
Actually, there's a slight chance that Ron Paul will be the GOP nominee. I am not a Ron Paul supporter, I will be a proud part of President Obama's reelection.
But you see, Mitt Romney may have disqualified himself as a presidential candidate by committing voter fraud, a felony.
In 2010, Mitt flew back to Massachusetts, to show his support, and cast his vote for Scott Brown in the special election to replace the late Ted Kennedy. The problem is that Mitt Romney didn't live in Massachusetts at the time, didn't own property in Massachusetts and lied on the voter registration form, listing his place of residency as an address in the unfinished basement of his son Tagg's home. Massachusetts law defines a residence for voter registration purposes as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life.” Anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years behind bars and a fine of $10,000.
Both the Obama and Paul campaigns are sitting on this story until this summer where Ron Paul plans to use it to have Romney disqualified as a candidate, and thus steal the nomination and President Obama is likely going to use it in face to face debates.
This summer is going to be a lot more interesting than most expect.
like I said above VirginaDem that would be pure awesome, I wouldn't count Ron Paul out yet Blamo and Dasvet, he's picking up delegates left and right and a brokered convention isn't out of the question.
Vote out of office blue dogs dem and all republican state and federal.
President Obama is going to cause the end of this country???????????
Maybe you should check out England and that they followed the austerity plan that Romney and the republicans want to put in place here.
Well, England is headed for a double dipped recession and with President Obama's policies our country is growing slowly due to the republican obstruction, but we are still growing in the right direction.
So republicans that claim to be so smart want to sent America into another recession so they can give more tax cuts to Romney and his rich friends.
And that is a good ideal for America, why?
Americans First and Obama is following Greece's example what's your point?
Ron Paul just took Maine.
So goes Maine,so goes the nation.
My point is that President Obama is not and has not followed Greece's plan. Though slowly our economy is growing because of President Obama's policies.
The plan that is failing in Greece is the same austerity plan that the republicans want to do to America.
I think you heard some talking points and don't really realize what is going on in Greece. Mainly what you don't understand is that what is happening in Greece is what the republicans are wanting to happen here.
Republicans have a way of twisting the truth and blaming others for what they themselves are doing which should be reason enough to not vote for them.
VOTE FOR AMERICA...VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Lugar will lose because he can't recognize Indiana on a map.
Also by the end of the next term he wouldn't be able to recognize
himself in a mirror.
Momma,Momma look here at this Rat.Yes they will all be out soon ,get your rubber hammers ready.....
Haven't heard that Jerry Clower bit in YEARS! My step dad had the album and played it often. We didn't have a tv growing up.
Shockingly, we READ. Everything! Books, magazines, correspondence. and we listened to a lot of music and comedy, too.
This is your chance Wisconsin....
This is your chance to go back to billion dollar deficits. This is your chance to bring back the leadership that turned its back on the sick by stealing of $200 million from the Patient’s Compensation Fund to fill massive budgets holes created by progressive Jimmy boy Doyle. This is your chance to give the state of Wisconsin back to the fiscally irresponsible progressive leadership that left a $59.7 million bill it owed Minnesota as part of a now-expired income tax reciprocity agreement. This is your chance to bring back the progressive leadership that sent jobs overseas by supporting the $47.5 million no-bid contract with Talgo Inc. a train manufacturer in Spain to build choo choo’s no one wants. This is your chance to continue Doyle’s war on business. This is your chance to force anyone who wants to work for the state into a union. This is your chance to force those in the union to fund an agenda they may not support via forced union dues. This is your chance Wisconsin to support those who feel stealing from those who earn to give to those who don’t is that favorite liberal “F” word, FAIR. Yeah, returning Wisconsin to the previous leadership is an “F” word alright, but the “F” word I’m thinking of I’m usually kissed first…
You're nether Ima. You're a crazy teabagger.
How strange your screen name is. You're certainly not a Democrat, you're a Republican Teabagger through and through. You spout all the nonsense talking points, and you've shown you're completely theirs, hook, line and sinker. You may not be a loony liberal, but you certainly are loony.
Mo, so a Democrat has a different opinion then yours and you claim he's not a Democrat, only people who agree with your opinions are real Democrats, you and Virginia Democrat are so Liberal and open minded what a joke
wlee,
A person that toes the Republican line, spouts off the republican talking points and disagrees with everything about the Democratic party is a Republican.
I can look at a duck and call it a horse all day long, that won't make that duck eat oats and let me ride it around the farm.
Virginia, a lot of Democrats disagree with the Liberal part of the party, just like a lot of Conservatives differ from the Republicans. Moderates on both sides have on occasion agreed with the other party. One size doesn't fit all, my turn for cliche
My concerns on top of the next president that inherits the mess Obama has created is going to be if the media shows Obama being a worse president than Carter. I hope the Obama sanctioned goon squads dont come after me for expressing my opinion now.
Anyone alive at this time in history knows he is a worse President than Carter. I never thought I would say that cause Jimmy was bad but O has him doubled in stupidity.
Only in the minds of the "teabaggers", well known for all emotion and no thought.
You got it backwards. It WAS the Geroge W & Dick Cheney goon squads who came looking for hertetics. It was "you are one of us or one of them." After 9/11, they turned the whole thing into a protection racket: "Trust us and we'll protect you," sort of like the Mob or Gang who tells you if you pay them they will make sure on one breaks your windows at night when you are not around. Problem is, they are the ones breaking your windows. So, keep using the attack rhetoric and made up nonsense. The Nazis perfected it and it worked: If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes fact. Fact is, the Tea Party controlled republicans have been playing this game for over 4 years, precedec by the George W / Dick Cheney bull. Doesn't work for me Obamaroid. You will find out in the next election. Since you feel the need to be long to a "clique" (we all think alike so I guess we're right plus it's nice to be accepted), I guess it's the only one you can think instead of for yourself.
Really? Carter was so bad that some of his peace deals in the middle east are still honored. Worst President Ever Award goes to Gerald Ford. The first thing he did was pardon Nixon, and no one remembers the second thing.
I was part of the honor guard for the peace accords. The USS Johnston DD821 cruised up the Potomac and docks on the public docks for viewing by several then American supported Arab counties Egypt and Iran to name two. Several of us Petty Officers where selected to be on stage for the event. It was Anwar Sadats final trip...... before his parade ending. And in case you have not read Egypt has denounced the treaty with Israel.
Sorry to disappoint anyone, but G.W. Bush wins the "Worst President Ever" award hands down.
He was handed a budget surplus, and after 9/11 a united country. He had the opportunty to lead the US into years of prosperity, but instead pushed through unnecessary tax cuts. He could have focused on bringing those behind 9/11 to justice but instead led us into Iraq.
How many of you remember how united the country was? How almost every car had American flags flying from them? We all rallied behind our President and he betrayed our trust and used it for political gain.
Bill, keep up the attack rhetoric and nonsense while in the same breath using the Nazi's perfected it, if only the blind could see.
TNSEVOL- It was a projected surplus not an actual surplus, but I don't have anything else to say about the rest of your post because I don't completely disagree.
Mr grover, the gop, & the rushbo believes that the libertarians are correct. That govt is a joke and the we should elect people who want to dismantle govt. Dismantle medicare, social security, food stamps, defense, everything. They want to go back to 1776. Distribute davy crocket long rifle muskets to our troops in afghanistan. That will bring them home. Save us lots of money too. Hey no air force. While we equip ourselves at home with even more firearms. 90 guns per 100 people just isn't enough for self defense.
Better think about what the rushbo is saying before you buy into it.
Lugar's another one. These senators and congressman THINK they are royalty. Thank God, or Allah, or Buddah, of the guy that came down in the spaceship (scientologists), or more like OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, who were smart enough and foresighted enough (unlike most of our elected and appointed officials today) to set up a system of representative elections and separation of powers, THAT we do have elections. I HATE the Tea Party so much, I will NEVER vote republican as long as they are around BUT I'm glad Lugar, who doesn't even live in the state he represents is getting his ass kicked out. WE NEED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT LIMITING HOW LONG ANYONE CAN HOLD ELECTED OFFICE. They sit in Washington on their fat butts, thinking they are God's gift to the common folk, smarter, more educated, and knowing better all the while getting richer, making connections, and doing what they want while they spout nonsense at election time. Keep the turnover going for everyone.
The President has a term limit. Why not everyone else in Washington?
Can any supporter of Senor Bishop Willard( I even flip flop on my name) Romney show me where he has not flip flop on any issue? Can any of you Romney supporters show me where he has the balls to make a stand for the truth. Cue the crickets here.
The republican brain dead followers can only answer those type of questions after they listen to Faux news, Limbrain, and the other talking heads. Have any of you followers ever stop to think why many older republicans are turning away for the party? The far right does not believe in individuals thinking for themselves. If you do that you are immediately labeled as a liberal because you can think for yourself. As we move closer and closer to Nov just watch how the republicans will become independents in droves. Most will just not vote.
The republican party has thrown the American people under the bus and we all know it. The lies are being exposed now. ie the Keystone Pipeline. The far right had better hope there is at least a couple of republicans left in congress to voice their opinion.
However, I will continue to say this, there is no cure for stupid. Unless the trolls on these site actually go look at sources other than Faux News, they will continue to be lead to the slaughter. See you all here on Nov 7th so I can rub salt into the wound.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Ret_MGST, this coming from a guy who uses the standard Liberal word for Fox News. Think for yourself much sarge?
Unfortunately, we are stuck with Romney because I love this country and cannot witness it to continue to go down the toilet with Obama. If you dumocrats are so gulible to believe his b-s with junk math, then you are the ones that will end up regretting your decision if Obama is re-elected. As for me, I had enough of the damage and want to see a real American, not a traitor to this country and it's people, as President.
John, traitor I think is a little harsh, not quite ready for prime time more fitting. Where have you gone John Kennedy?
From Charles' American Standard dictionary: Junk Math n.. see also no way, usually used when math skills are lacking or none existent; more kin to I don't understand this stuff. Class, dismissed!!
Unlike the right wingers who only listen to Faux News, I listen to all the new casts. Because I know that somewhere in the middle of all the new casts is the truth. Now that it has been exposed that a plot hatched by the republicans to make President Obama fail is in the open, I am not seeing a lot of right wingers crying about that. So I guess it is OK with ya'll for republican leaders to plot pain and suffer on this country!!! A republican control state Nebraska do not want the pipeline to cross its water source but it is President Obama fault. Why aren't not scream at the republican controlling that state.
With the ranting of Carl Rove, Hannety, Limbaugh not being address by the republican leadership shows me that the republican do not want anyone to think for themselves. Which is something I do all the time? I don't need the talking head of the right wing to give me my opinion like most that post on these sites.