Biden: I'm 'absolutely comfortable' with gay marriage

 

Vice President Joe Biden on Sunday said that's he's "absolutely comfortable" with married same-sex couples being granted the same rights as heterosexual pairs.

"I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties," he told NBC's David Gregory on "Meet the Press." "And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that."


President Barack Obama has said his position on same sex marriage is "evolving," and he supported civil unions but opposed marriage for gay couples during the 2008 campaign. Biden noted  Sunday that the "president sets the policy" and that he did not know if the administration would formally come out in favor of same-sex marriage in the president's second term should he be re-elected.

But the vice president said that attitudes about gay marriage in America are changing in favor of greater tolerance for loving homosexual partners.

On Meet the Press today, the vice president discussed the administration's position in the same-sex marriage debate.

"The good news is that as more and more Americans become to understand what this is all about is a simple proposition," he said. "Who do you love?  Who do you love?  And will you be loyal to the person you love?  And that's what people are finding out is what -- what all marriages, at their root, are about."

An aide pointed to the administration's efforts to challenge the Defense of Marriage Act and said that the vice president's comments only reiterated Obama's past support for "committed and loving same-sex couples."

"The vice president was saying what the president has said previously -- that committed and loving same-sex couples deserve the same rights and protections enjoyed by all Americans, and that we oppose any effort to roll back those rights," the aide said. "That's why we stopped defending the constitutionality of Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act in legal challenges and support legislation to repeal it.  Beyond that, the vice president was expressing that he too is evolving on the issue, after meeting so many committed couples and families in this country."

Section 3 is the section defines marriage for federal purposes as between one man and one woman.

Biden, who twice ran for president before accepting the job of Obama's second-in-command, pushed back on persistent speculation that he could be replaced on the 2012 ticket by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. "There's no way out.  I mean, they've already printed Obama-Biden!" he said.

And he quipped Sunday that he and one-time rival Clinton may run on a joint ticket in 2016.

"I think we may run as a team," he said, quickly noting that he was joking.

"I don't know whether I'm gonna run," he added. "And Hillary doesn't know whether she's gonna run."

Human Rights Campaign, an advocacy group for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender rights, said it was encouraged by Biden's comments. Biden "rightly articulated that loving and committed gay and lesbian couples should be treated equally," President Joe Solmonese said in a statement. "Now is the time for President Obama to speak out for full marriage equality for same-sex couples."

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To NYMike who seems to be so smart. 1000+ species have been documented as behaving in a homosexual manner? I believe your mistaken my friend. If you believe in evolution then you believe that animals evolve to keep their own species alive. Homosexuality hinders the reproduction of ones species which conflicts with the very fundamentals of evolution. So if you believe in evolution then you must say that if an animal or human is born gay then it is a mutation in that animals' or humans' genetics that caused it to be gay. why? Because again, the whole idea behind evolution is survival and homosexuality does not lead to reproduction. further more if you acknowledge homosexuality as a mutation, which it must be in order for someone to be born gay, then you must also acknowledge this mutation is not good or acceptable to nature because evolution wants its species to survive which the homosexual mutation does not allow. And if evolution and nature does not accept homosexuality because it hinders a species ability to survive, and with humans being part of nature, then humans should also see homosexuality as wrong because it does not ensure our survival. You sir need to realize what you base your beliefs on. I'm assuming your an evolutionist as most people are. And if you are an evolutionist then just like with a religion, you should allow that belief to form your beliefs on other things. Unfortunately you haven't done this so instead of realizing your faulty arguments you will now precede to think of some witty come-back to throw at me instead of, again, realizing that with your support for homosexuality you throw your idea of evolution out the window. Time to find out what you actually believe bro. Oh! and if you could give me the reference to these documented homosexual species I would be more than grateful for that. And please do forgive my grammar before you call me out as an idiot. You should check yours yourself.

    Reply#637 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

    @holly

    you cant or wont answer my question simply because you dont have the intelligence to do so.

    perhaps you should leave the trolling to those who can answer challenging questions.

      Reply#638 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:50 PM EDT

      So writes the semi-illiterate, crotch-obsessed man.

        #638.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:53 PM EDT

        oh come on now, you can do better than a few insults, i know you can. give an intelligent answer for once in your man hating life with an insult or do you have it in you.

          #638.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:57 PM EDT

          Yawn.

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          #638.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:00 PM EDT

          didnt think so...NEXT !!

            #638.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:01 PM EDT
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            if a 48 year old man was caught having sex with a 14 year old consenting teenage girl, he would be called a sicko in need of help. why doesnt this hold true for a gay man?

              Reply#639 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:52 PM EDT

              If a 48 year old man had sex with a consenting 14 year old boy or girl then I would call him a sicko due to the fact that the other person is a child.

                #639.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

                child or not , its what the two persons wanted just as two gay men wanted. would you call for this 48 year old man to seek help?

                  #639.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:58 PM EDT

                  Sex (gay or straight) with two consenting adults is totally different than sex with a child. It's also illegal to have sex with underage children..You're really grabbing at the straws.

                    #639.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

                    being gay in iran is illegal....so im not grasping.

                      #639.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:05 PM EDT

                      This isn't Iran. So you'd be ok with a 48 year old man having sex with your under age daughter as long as she consented? How about your under age son? And yes you are grasping.

                      No normal human being would be ok with an adult having sex with their under age child.

                      You're comparing apples and oranges and your OP has no validity.

                        #639.5 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

                        so im not grasping.

                        First thing you've posted I agree with.

                          #639.6 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:09 PM EDT

                          Scott, that you cannot differentiate between homosexuality -- which is about consenting adults -- and child molestation/statutory rape -- which is illegal because it involves victims who cannot legally consent to such relationships -- demonstrates the depth of your ignorance.

                          Thanks for playing; you are an EPIC FAIL.

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                          #639.7 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:11 PM EDT
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                          2 Timothy 3:1-5

                          New International Version (NIV)

                          3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

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                          Reply#640 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:54 PM EDT

                          well yeah he's ok with anything he thinks will get them reelected.but ain't no muslim going to agree to gay marriage.ha ha.man i'm cool with my gay neighbors,there are three house's of them on my block.but that doesn't mean i am cool with them calling themselves married.just like i don't agree with blacks saying they are "african-americans" when they weren't born in africa then gained citizenship in u.s.they were born in america so they are officially "americans" period.now back to gays.if you are gay(same sex as the one u love) therefore u cannot marry.yes we will give you the rights to all that u'r partner has,if u sign a document of union.and in military,yeah, we won't ask so u don't tell.cause we don't really want to know.i was in the military so i understand this.i once cussed out my sgt major for looking at me in the shower.so stop thinking our servicemen will be ok with it.also i hate term "guys" so dang stupid to say that to a bunch of girls.like i said i am ok with gays,but i have friends who don't even want to talk to them or look at them.but i always get it straight(lol) with them that if they joke about gayness towards me there will be trouble,and they usually respect that,except that gay sgt i had to beat the crap out of in ft.Sill oklahoma who just didn't understand my words.but those lumps i put on his head reminded him,that i said "i don't care if u'r gay just don't ever try to touch me and we can still be friends." and i don't seem to mind lipstick-lesbos but those dyke man looking ones are uugghhh....lol.my good friend,she is the latter, doesn't like it when i ask her."why do you try to look like a man,when u date women who like women"? she just looks at me and says "i don't think of it like that."

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                          Reply#641 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

                          to all those opposed to gay and lesbians marriages, are you ok taking the tax money of these people to pay for your children's education? why do you feel entitled to that money for education, when you do not feel like they are equal?

                          Marriage is a joke on national TV anyways... "How to Marry a millionare"? (that's prostitution....) "the Bachelorette", a female rolling in the hay with 12 guys? the bachelor? poor girls crying if they don't get "the rose..." PLEASE! they get married for a month then divorce? even some ultra conservative polititians are on their 3rd marriage..."Til death do you apart? you have more lives than a cat!

                          Live and let live, be kind to one another, and stop your discrimination and hate, it is very unbecoming...

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                          Reply#642 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:57 PM EDT

                          Marriage is a joke on the children of the marriage, there is no other social purpose for marriage than to protect the children of the union

                            #642.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:00 PM EDT

                            I don't believe in public education.

                              #642.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:36 PM EDT

                              Larry: obviously not. If people were more educated, they'd have the critical thinking skills to see through the manure you pour out.

                                #642.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:56 PM EDT
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                                I respect Joe Biden but I will never accept homosexual marriages as legitimate. Call me old fashioned, but I still believe marriage is between one man and one woman.

                                  Reply#643 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:58 PM EDT

                                  Cool. I assume you oppose divorce. I further assume that you believe in the old-fashioned notion of virginity before marriage and that if one isn't a virgin, one can't marry.

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                                  #643.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

                                  holly is trolling again

                                    #643.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:06 PM EDT
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                                    Thing could be worse. Obama could get re-elected in November

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                                    Reply#644 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:58 PM EDT

                                    things could get worse..we could get haters with random off topic nonsense. Oh wait.. :)

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                                    #644.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:21 PM EDT
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                                    "Biden: I'm 'absolutely comfortable' [having gay [sex with Obama}"

                                      Reply#645 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:59 PM EDT

                                      Huh? Is that what passes for humor in the KKK nowadays?

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                                      #645.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:02 PM EDT

                                      That is humor in the muslim world.

                                        #645.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:06 PM EDT

                                        i hope lilian doesn't quit her day job.

                                          #645.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:22 PM EDT
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                                          Okay, bigots, I'm outta here. I hope your local Bath, Bed, and Beyond is having a sale on white sheets so you can look spiffy for tonight's cross burning.

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                                          Reply#646 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:03 PM EDT

                                          nite troll

                                            #646.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:08 PM EDT

                                            Later moron.

                                              #646.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:10 PM EDT

                                              Holly you are a Liberal Racist.

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                                              #646.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:26 PM EDT
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                                              dmanq you can believe in gay marriage and evolution its possible to do both. Why because humans are above animals we have intellect gay couples while not being able to procreate natrually as of yet can adopt unwanted children among other couples. Among animals sex is also about dominance and so a male animal screwing another is proving his dominance, it can also be seen as a social interaction as in the case of dolphins helps stregthen the ties between the community as a whole among that particular species so your argument holds no water. Love between two adults is still love and is too precious to waste or say it's wrong. How dare you judge me and my actions when they have no impact on you. WHO the F are you and others to tell me I'm wrong and that what I feel is wrong? HOW DARE YOU. You judgmental evil yes I said evil I feel anyone who discriminates is evil.

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                                              Reply#647 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:05 PM EDT

                                              First of all I need to apologize for those who criticize you. Before you become angry with personally just understand these 2 things. First that while I do criticize your lifestyle I understand that it is difficult to be criticized day after day for the feelings you have. Its almost like being bullied and I understand your want for equal rights. Second, I am in no way perfect. I, like you, have more faults than broken glass, however, I care more for others (or at least I think and hope) then I do myself. My statements are not meant to attack or hurt you, but they are to get my point of view across in the same way you try to get yours across. The "F-ing" person I am is one with a belief that homosexuality is wrong. Just like lieng, stealing, and murdering is also wrong. And I speak out against those things more than I do this subject. But understand that it is because I believe your homosexual lifestyle is wrong, that I speak out against it. I understand deep emotional connections, and love, but (and while this going to sound terrible please bear with me) I believe that homosexuality is caused by some psychological trauma. If you think that gays are born gay then I guess murders are born murders and thieves are born thieves. But I don't believe that people are born gay. I believe that they are born into an imperfect world, in imperfect situations, and while I believe that their is an existence of love between men and men and women and women, I think that with certain circumstances that love can be mistaken for what love between a man and a women is supposed to be.

                                                #647.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:55 PM EDT
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                                                for gay haters:

                                                being a christian and bisexual, for all those who claim that homosexuality is not natural, is completely different, and an abomination, i can assure you it isnt. liking a girl feels exactly-i tell you, EXACTLY- the same as liking a guy. same feelings and everything. god is love, and it is the same type of love between a man and a woman, so i don't understand how some of you people can say that god hates gays and thinks it is horrible. try to bring up the bible? well, i see you having ear piercings, not treating your neighbors the way you want to be treated, lying occasionally, wearing mixed fabrics, work on sundays, get jealous, taking the lord's name in vain. i could go on. and note that most of those were in the ten commandments, however the ten commandments said not one word about homosexuality. don't cherry pick from the bible to justify it all.

                                                by the way- you may not have known this, but homosexuality occurs rather frequently in animals too. bats actually have the highest rates of male homosexuality than any species. so much for it being "not natural." but homophobia only occurs in one species, human beings.

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                                                Reply#648 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:05 PM EDT

                                                hench the saying..."crazy as batsh*t", thanks I was curious as to where that came from.

                                                  #648.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

                                                  "hench"?????? LMFAO

                                                    #648.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:57 PM EDT

                                                    actually asserting dominance in an animalistic manner and having sex are little bit different

                                                      #648.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 10:33 PM EDT
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                                                      kountry king not only will I call you old fashioned I'll call you a relic that needs to vanish from the face of this planet. Social conservatives offer nothing of value to this country or the world as a whole. Nothing good ever came from a biggot.

                                                        Reply#649 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:06 PM EDT

                                                        Tiffany the same could be said of liberals such as you. You do have the market on bigotry, evidenced by your posts on the vine today. You obviously are looking for a life that you do not have.

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                                                        #649.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:10 PM EDT

                                                        The KKK was a democratic party offshoot. Anyone who does not agree with Obama is a Racist is about what to expect from a KKK supporter

                                                          #649.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:28 PM EDT

                                                          Tiffany--I agree with you totally--

                                                          Two caveats, tho--first, not all 'social conservatives' are PUBS, unless you believe that a whole bunch of Pubs came out and voted FOR Prop 8 in 2008, but FORGOT to vote for McCain, or that a bunch Of Dems came out and voted for Obama, and FORGOT to vote against prop 8.

                                                          Catholics and Mormons are two of the biggest groups of 'social conservatives out there. The Mormons tend to the PUBs, but the Catholics tend toward the DEMS.

                                                          And Second--FISCAL LIBS have no realistic place in today's US and world as a whole. You have only to look at what is happening in Europe to realize that promising more extravagant benefits when you cannot pay for them is a disaster in the making.

                                                            #649.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:41 PM EDT
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                                                            Why do they call it "gay" anyway? Puking at the thought of such a perverted act doesn't sound "gay" to me. If I'm "intolerant" , than why not be "tolerant" with everything? Let's do away with all forms of morality, no rules of any kind--be tolerant! No act is wrong! duh

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                                                            Reply#650 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:08 PM EDT

                                                            dude you nailed it..nice shot..

                                                              #650.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:25 PM EDT

                                                              Intolerant of someone's lifestyle does not equal tolerance of everything. Morality is based on right and wrong. Which sounds wrong to you: hating someone for their lifestyle or allowing people to live their life?

                                                                #650.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:43 PM EDT

                                                                Georgethetroll--sorry, but people like you were the ones slamming the 'gay life style' in the 80's for unprotected sex. So when the gay community QUIT that indescriminate sexual behavior, and began emphacising solid relationships, making commitments to one person that they loved and wanted to share life with, you call that IMMORAL.

                                                                Sorry, but I know PLENTY of straight people who are cheaters, who do not practice birth control, who run thru 'partners' like grease thru a goose, and you thing GAYS wanting to COMMIT is immoral? I know several gays who have custody of their kids/kids of family members who have died or lost custody because of drugs/crime, and THEY are immoral? I have a friend whose husband has been obsessed with PORN during their who marriage despite her disapproval, and when she discovered recently that he was CHEATING on her, she found out because her DAUGHTER (a 14 year old) found out on his CELL phone. AND had seen his Porn on the FAMILY computer. So since he is HETERO, HE is moral?

                                                                Since she is dumping him, I suppose SHE is immoral?

                                                                People like you make you tired.

                                                                  #650.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:52 PM EDT

                                                                  No one claims straights live without sin. Being gay is just another sin. Actually, my favorite sin isn't sexual in nature.

                                                                    #650.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 9:12 PM EDT
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                                                                    since no one has the balls to answer this , i will post again. although i do commend tiffany1 for answer.he actuall was the only one to make an attempt

                                                                    can anyone explain these two situations:

                                                                    a gay male couple, one of which tends to be the feminine one and some actually convert or change his gender....why?

                                                                    a lesbian female couple, one of which tends to be the butch(male) and some actually convert or change her gender. ....why?

                                                                    why is it in these relationships, one acts like his/her opposite gender. why be a lesbian and be with a woman who is going to try to be male and vise versa in the male gay relationship.....something has really gone wrong here.

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                                                                    Reply#651 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:08 PM EDT

                                                                    Simple answer-- whatever "Gods" are turning out humans they are screwing up on the job--not paying attention to their work. They're getting the "wiring" diagrams in the brain all messed up. Looks like the Gods ain't so perfect after all.

                                                                      #651.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:18 PM EDT

                                                                      .....something has really gone wrong here

                                                                      Stay at home dads must really piss you off.

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                                                                      #651.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:38 PM EDT

                                                                      This is not nearly as common as you think. In a heterosexual relationship, is the male always the breadwinner? If you believe this is the ideal, then you have yet to realize that we are in the 21st century, where women have rights and so do homosexuals.

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                                                                      #651.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:46 PM EDT

                                                                      Scott--I'm going to make this as simple as I can--Scientists have 'ID'd' differing sexual 'orientations': Hetero, Gay, Lesbian, bi-sexual, and trans-gender.

                                                                      What attracts one person to another is so diverse that it is NONE of anyone else's business.

                                                                      I have known PLENTY of guys who call themselves "tit lovers", others as Leg men, and still others who are drawn to a woman's Butt. It's all a matter of taste.

                                                                      I also have known straight women who 'enjoy' anal sex. (:[)

                                                                      And no one's business but the couple involved.

                                                                        #651.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:58 PM EDT

                                                                        As I see it if they are lisbian or gay it's okay as longest they stay away from my children, I have to be honest they make me sick , I will go out of my way to keep them from my children One day my son asked me way would a man kiss another man in the lips I did not know what to say, maybe they should move to the new colony in the moon when the republicans start one

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                                                                        #651.5 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:01 PM EDT
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                                                                        Ok, Biden, get out of the closet now and don't be a hypocrite. Tell us, who is(are) your boyfriend(s)?

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                                                                        Reply#652 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:09 PM EDT

                                                                        why, Obamma of course..lol..

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                                                                        #652.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:24 PM EDT

                                                                        Barney Frank

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                                                                        #652.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:26 PM EDT
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                                                                        I'll bet if he had a big dick shoved up his a s s he would feel different. Being queer is something people choose to do. No one is born queer.

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                                                                        Reply#653 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:09 PM EDT

                                                                        Being queer is something people choose to do. No one is born queer.

                                                                        How do you know this? Please enlighten everyone.

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                                                                        #653.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:17 PM EDT

                                                                        Being queer is something people choose to do

                                                                        Since there are two sides to every coin being straight must also be a choice then.

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                                                                        #653.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:39 PM EDT

                                                                        Being straight is natural, being queer is something people choose to do. It comes from low self esteem and inability to relate to the opposite sex.

                                                                        Basically mentally retarded and is treatable.

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                                                                        #653.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:55 PM EDT
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                                                                        Gay Schmay, we've been taking it up the caboose from the day
                                                                        the two clowns took office. It will be a pleasure to vote you both out of
                                                                        office on November 6th!

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                                                                        Reply#654 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:09 PM EDT

                                                                        It will be a pleasure to vote you both out of
                                                                        office on November 6th!

                                                                        Only in your universe. Won't happen in the real world.

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                                                                        #654.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:13 PM EDT
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                                                                        To me, the issue with gay marriage isn't about morality, it's about EQUALITY, period. People have the right to love whoever they want. No one has any control over WHO they fall in love with.

                                                                        My husband and I have been together for 8 years and for the life of us, it's very hard for either one of us to reconcile, no matter what we were taught in church, WHY anyone would believe that it should be acceptable to deny equality to any person on religious grounds.

                                                                        Just because we fit the "one man, one woman" mold, we do not believe that we deserve to be treated any better than any other loving committed same-sex couple.

                                                                        To those who think "gay rights" are about gays being obnoxious and in your face with the lifestyle and asking for "special" rights--riddle me this--how can someone have special when they still don't yet have equal?

                                                                        Families come in all stripes these days. What's important is love and if there are kids to make sure that the kids are well adjusted and happy.

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                                                                        Reply#655 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:16 PM EDT

                                                                        do you feel the same for a Mormon man who wants to marry 10 women?

                                                                        do you feel the same for a 14 year old teenage girl who wants to marry a 48 year old man?

                                                                        do you feel the same for an 18 year blonde who marries a 93 year old man?

                                                                        what about a man who has sex with dogs? ....what do you think about his state of mind?

                                                                          #655.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:23 PM EDT

                                                                          Scott,

                                                                          A better question would be:

                                                                          How does an 18 year old blonde marrying a 93 year old man affect YOU personally?

                                                                          It's rather selfish of you to impose your OPINIONS on others.

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                                                                          #655.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:28 PM EDT

                                                                          Dogs??watch it there!

                                                                            #655.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:30 PM EDT

                                                                            and on the adult with a child issue being illegal, so was sodomy.

                                                                            Sodomy was illegal in all states before 1961, when Illinois became the first state to repeal their sodomy laws. In 1986, the Supreme Court ruled that nothing in the US constitution banned sodomy. However, in 2003, 10 states still had anti-sodomy laws. On 2003 June 26, the Supreme court case of Lawrence v. Texas struck down the remaining sodomy laws, declaring them to be unconstitutional by the 14th US Amendment.

                                                                              #655.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:30 PM EDT

                                                                              @DAX

                                                                              why dont you scroll up and put your brain to work and answer my question.

                                                                                #655.5 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:32 PM EDT

                                                                                Scott,

                                                                                Because your questions are idiotic.

                                                                                  #655.6 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

                                                                                  They should not be equal with straights!!! This gay marriage bs is something from the last decade. Marriage for hundreds of years in the US has been between a man and a woman. Tradition is something not to be changed on a whim!

                                                                                    #655.7 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

                                                                                    mormon man who marrys 10 women? as long as there is consent and every party objectively wants to participate sure, the problem here is most of those women do not know any better, and are often pressured into the situation from a young age and the culture is forced upon them against there will, so in that instance it is not okay

                                                                                    a 14 year old girl is not mature enough to make an educated and or rational decision about marrying anyone, let alone a 48 year old man, who is a pervert for wanting to marry a 14 year old girl

                                                                                    an 18 yr old blond who marrys a 93 year old man? good for him and long as its consensual and both parties know what they are getting into

                                                                                    a man who has sex with dogs? you cannot objectively prove that a dog has the ability to know what the man is doing or whether or not the dog can consent to such an act...and no you cannot equate bestiality to being gay, or statutory rape to being gay, if you think they are the same, there is something wrong with you

                                                                                      #655.8 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:37 PM EDT

                                                                                      Who are you to say whether a 14 year old is mature enough---14 year olds used to get married all the time, and some still do in other cultures...who are you to sit in judgment of the 48 year old man and take it upon yourself to decide what is "perverted" and "normal"....and how do you know whether those mormon women are forced into those relationships....do you have personal knowledge?

                                                                                      Frankly--how dare anyone declare what is right or wrong? Isn't that the point? All of the religious folk that believe in right and wrong are fools, right?

                                                                                        #655.9 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:46 PM EDT

                                                                                        @mindcrime-2059928

                                                                                        my point exactly. people want to pass judgment for these people and these perversions, but being gay or lesbo is alright.

                                                                                          #655.10 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:53 PM EDT

                                                                                          and on the adult with a child issue being illegal, so was sodomy

                                                                                          And you still cannot tell the difference: sodomy was illegal even if it was between consenting adults; sexual relationships with children are NEVER legal, as children cannot legally consent to such relationships. Do you really think, given all of the child molesters/pedophiles there are in this country, that ANY state or federal legislature will try to change that? If so, you are even more delusional than I originally thought.

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                                                                                          #655.11 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:54 PM EDT

                                                                                          Erin--you are missing the point---"sexual relationships with children are NEVER legal"---sorry, but you are sorely mistaken---until the 20th Century (and the latter half at that) it was rather common for a 14-16 year old "child" to get married and bear children---and in many cultures that still happens---do I agree with you that we should have laws protecting 14 year old girls from sexual predators? Sure. Why do we feel that way---because on some level we think it is morally wrong. The point you are missing is---if there are no morals--no truths---then there is no justification for forbidding any sexual activity---because for every "unimaginable" thing you come up with, there will be some culture somewhere that permits that "unimaginable" thing---and who are we to judge, right?

                                                                                            #655.12 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:58 PM EDT
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                                                                                            I think people should live the way they want to, thats what America is.

                                                                                            However, something as un-natural as being gay should not be a political issue, its a personnel issue. Thus, should not have the same rights as a non-gay person in the civil and political sense. Looking back into history, it seems every society that openly accepted gays imploded on itself.

                                                                                            The reason being, once you open that door, it opens other doors to let people run wild

                                                                                            and where does it end? People will want every possible fetish to be allowed and supported by the government. If everyone was gay, the human race would end due to lack of reproduction. It sets a bad example for the children. I am not saying gay people are bad. I have known some gay people quite well, and some of them are wonderful in most every sense of the word. It just shouldn't be a civil issue.

                                                                                              Reply#656 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:22 PM EDT

                                                                                              So is Biden leaving his wife for a man?

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                                                                                              Reply#657 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:23 PM EDT

                                                                                              no, he is keeping it in the closet.

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                                                                                              #657.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:24 PM EDT

                                                                                              Actually, it is far more likely that a homophobe like you is homosexual, Scott, than it would be for Joe Biden to be one.

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                                                                                              #657.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:56 PM EDT
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                                                                                              It's time for President Obama to admit that denying homosexuals the same right to government sanctioned marriage is unconstitutional. Gay people should have the same access to a government issued marriage license, a marriage ceremony performed by a government official, as heterosexual people.

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                                                                                              Reply#658 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:31 PM EDT

                                                                                              Dear Larry Robinson 1323081,

                                                                                              Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your posts, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

                                                                                              I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

                                                                                              1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

                                                                                              2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

                                                                                              3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

                                                                                              4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

                                                                                              5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

                                                                                              6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

                                                                                              7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

                                                                                              8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

                                                                                              9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

                                                                                              10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.

                                                                                              Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

                                                                                              I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

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                                                                                              Reply#659 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:32 PM EDT

                                                                                              Be aware, Larry Robinson is an ordained pastor in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS) a fairly conservative protestant denomination (Though not nearly as conservative as Michelle Bachmann's Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod [WELS])

                                                                                                #659.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:41 PM EDT

                                                                                                teach faith, Nice try with the copy and paste from an anti-Christian site that shows up quite often

                                                                                                The Laws of Moses do not apply to Christians and are not the basis for Christians to call homosexuality immoral. Luke 16:16 and elsewhere

                                                                                                For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. Ephesians 2:14-16

                                                                                                Jesus declared that ALL sexual activity outside of the marriage of a man and a woman defiles a person before God (Matthew 15 and 19).

                                                                                                  #659.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:42 PM EDT

                                                                                                  EMDF9A

                                                                                                  I am not now nor ever have been ordained in any Lutheran denomination. I am a Pentecostal Evangelical Pastor and Theologian.

                                                                                                    #659.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:44 PM EDT

                                                                                                    Mea Culpa. There is also an LCMS pastor with your same name noted for his anti-gay stance.

                                                                                                      #659.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:48 PM EDT

                                                                                                      Pentecostal: Ooooooh. Speaking in tongues turns me on!!

                                                                                                        #659.5 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:02 PM EDT
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                                                                                                        I'm absolutely comfortable not caring what Biden is absolutely comfortable with.

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                                                                                                        Reply#660 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:32 PM EDT

                                                                                                        Thank you Mr. Biden, we love you very much.

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                                                                                                        Reply#661 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

                                                                                                        What are you "thanking" Biden for? A life of perversion and disease?? Not much to be thankful for.

                                                                                                          #661.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:41 PM EDT
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