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Vice President Joe Biden on Sunday said that's he's "absolutely comfortable" with married same-sex couples being granted the same rights as heterosexual pairs.
"I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties," he told NBC's David Gregory on "Meet the Press." "And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that."
President Barack Obama has said his position on same sex marriage is "evolving," and he supported civil unions but opposed marriage for gay couples during the 2008 campaign. Biden noted Sunday that the "president sets the policy" and that he did not know if the administration would formally come out in favor of same-sex marriage in the president's second term should he be re-elected.
But the vice president said that attitudes about gay marriage in America are changing in favor of greater tolerance for loving homosexual partners.
On Meet the Press today, the vice president discussed the administration's position in the same-sex marriage debate.
"The good news is that as more and more Americans become to understand what this is all about is a simple proposition," he said. "Who do you love? Who do you love? And will you be loyal to the person you love? And that's what people are finding out is what -- what all marriages, at their root, are about."
An aide pointed to the administration's efforts to challenge the Defense of Marriage Act and said that the vice president's comments only reiterated Obama's past support for "committed and loving same-sex couples."
"The vice president was saying what the president has said previously -- that committed and loving same-sex couples deserve the same rights and protections enjoyed by all Americans, and that we oppose any effort to roll back those rights," the aide said. "That's why we stopped defending the constitutionality of Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act in legal challenges and support legislation to repeal it. Beyond that, the vice president was expressing that he too is evolving on the issue, after meeting so many committed couples and families in this country."
Section 3 is the section defines marriage for federal purposes as between one man and one woman.
Biden, who twice ran for president before accepting the job of Obama's second-in-command, pushed back on persistent speculation that he could be replaced on the 2012 ticket by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. "There's no way out. I mean, they've already printed Obama-Biden!" he said.
And he quipped Sunday that he and one-time rival Clinton may run on a joint ticket in 2016.
"I think we may run as a team," he said, quickly noting that he was joking.
"I don't know whether I'm gonna run," he added. "And Hillary doesn't know whether she's gonna run."
Human Rights Campaign, an advocacy group for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender rights, said it was encouraged by Biden's comments. Biden "rightly articulated that loving and committed gay and lesbian couples should be treated equally," President Joe Solmonese said in a statement. "Now is the time for President Obama to speak out for full marriage equality for same-sex couples."
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marriage in an institution for produce humans.two jerks or two dikes can not produce humans.
Here is something for you religious zealots to cringe in horror at. Your beloved, mythical jesus, if he existed (highly doubtful) was quite possibly gay. Let's examine the innuendo, jesus was: young, neat and well groomed, constantly hung out with a bunch of guys, never married, snappy dresser. Hmmmmmm, could be a homo.
When people lived in small tribes and were constantly near starvation, being anti-gay might have made sense. They needed everyone to breed for simple survival, so homosexuals were somewhat of a threat.
However, that is no longer the case. There are plenty of people and we are in no danger of running out. The only reason to be so vehemently anti-gay now is that you lack the guts to come out yourselves.
You can interpret anything you want from the buy-bull. Should we start stoning children who backtalk or show disrespect to their parents? What about killing those who commit adultery, or theft, or covet their neighbors wife? They pretty much had one penalty for "sinning" in the bibble, death.
Thumpers, time to grow up, put away the kiddie's fairy stories and try, just try to think rationally for a change. All the venom from the talibanesque, right wing bigots is so played and old and disgusting. Don't you get tired of stewing in your own hatred? Didn't your myth jesus say something like, "...how you treat the least among us is how you treat me"?
It is hard to imagine anyone from the tp/gop, right wing wacko religious fanatic party being in any way happy or content. All they do is spew hate and bigotry. Seriously, can't you think of a better way to spend your time than just hating? I cannot even muster hatred for you, even though you are diseased, I pity the smallness of your minds, and your lack of imagination.
Seek help.
Happy Gilmore or atheist, whatever your stupid name is... you probably are atheist because your Gay, and you dont want to have to answer to a God that would condemn you for your sinful lifestyle. Thats why most gays are agnostics or atheists, it easier that way, right Happy? Just thinking rationally because I did seek help, how about you?
oh johnny, why the long face? I definitely am atheist, but not gay. I just live and let live, even moronic thumpers who don't know the difference between "your" and "you're".
I see that you capitalized the g in gay, I am sure that is a sign of respect for your fellow humans.
If you and your ilk are going to your fantasy heaven, then sign me up for hell because that is where decent folks will be.
You and the other thumpers can stroke each other's harps, (yeah we will call them harps), float around on clouds or whatever fairy tale you believe. Enjoy!!
Johnny - Thats why most gays are agnostics or atheists, it easier that way, right Happy?
I hate to tell you this "slingblade", But a lot of clergy people are gay. Hypocrites, but non the less, gay.....
cmon man...dont you know that there is a perfect, infallible, morally righteous single father god who condemns people to an eternity of torture for refusing to bow down and worship him without question?
oh yea, if you do that but embrace the desires you were born with and have gay sex, yup...eternal torture for you!!!
what about those of us guys that have had 3-somes in college with 2 women? does that make us participants in gay sex, also buying that dreaded ticket to eternal torture? well maybe not if i just make sure i say 500 hail marys before i die, then i get the good ticket to eternal paradise...but if i only say 499 then OOPS! eternal torture in hell for me!
kind of like your symbol eh GT, ramming it home? Is that your call sign to attract other sodomy lovers? are these clergy on a first name basis? Just wondering...
obtw- Dub a threesome in college? you are such a stud. threesomes?, college? I would never have thought that you would go there..
Johnny - No just a symbol for @!$%#ing the Republican party..
By the way Gomer, two animals getting it on is not sodomy.
Sodomy is when a priest sticks it to an alter boy....
we don't like gay's and think of it, if this country was full of gay men who would raise our kid's to defend it, i just can't wait for the law's against these freak's come out.
Gays already defined the US. Where have you been? Gay people have been in the military for decades, the just weren't open about it.
Who is "we," Brad? Apparently you did not get the memo: 53% of Americans support gay marriage -- looks like you're on the losing side.
Every notice the democrats are always involved in misguided mischief, no moral votes. If you get enough of this you can obtain power over every one.
Sell your soul for a vote is temporary
The female cannot reproduce without the male sperm and the male cannot reproduce without the female egg and for that fact homosexuals cannot and never will be "equal"!
Brad - Catholic priests and nuns don't breed either. Whats your point?
I think I stated my point perfectly clear. What if anything is it that you don't understand in my post?
No surprise here at all. Joe has been a Cino (Christian/Catholic in his case, in name only), for quite some time, yep, just like the Kennedy's. They have open minds, to the point that their brains have fallen out. Yes, treat others like you'd like to be treated (if the roles were reversed), however, love the sinner, not the sin. This whole, "Well, I don't approve of this or that, but, I'll look the other way and condone it, just so I don't hurt your feelings", but know that it is NOT a good thing for you, or others, should not be viewed as some kind of virtue. Rather, it's cowardice, at best, and only leads to more problems/vices in this world, life, and the next, whether people realize it, or not. Don't just pay lip service to your faith Joe, actually live it, without cherry picking. You aren't as smart as you think you are, like most people.
Hey,
Gay,
I have some abhorrent, misguided, sinful and distasteful bull lackey I would like to force on you, where do you live.
You're a punk. You couldn't force anything on anybody
Gay marriage will create a new kind of discrimination that is worse than any discrimination mankind has ever experienced before!Do not support this so called right.
While I support gay marriage, I see there is no end to Biden's hypocricy. Touting himself as a devout Catholic, he has no issue in separating himself from his church on issues where there is broad public support for the "other" side. Ahh. it's nice to see a man stand by his supposed principles!
not true, you can be a catholic and be against gay marriage in the catholic church, and the catholic church will always have the right to deny gay people the right to marry...but you can still be a supporter of freedom, equal rights, and the first amendment, and not interfere with someone else's right to live their private lives as they see fit
Biden would be happy with monkeys mating buffalos if could get him votes!!
HMMM. Wonder why he is comfortable with this. Perhaps Obama has a secret. He did make up girlfriends in his book.
Joe would have likely been a popular leader/politician in say, the time and location of Sodom and Gamora. Joe, you know better, but oh how it's difficult to both do and say the right things, really being your brother and sisters keeper. Apparently, you cannot handle that responsibility. Your "leadership", clearly is, the blind, leading the blind, not often, if ever a good thing. Old enough to know better, but still too young to care. Hopefully, the good people of this country WAKE UP, and vote their conscience, rather than getting away with what they can, for as long as they can, fooling themselves into believing that there are no consequences. Hear me now, believe me later...
If any person wants to be loved as they are, consider that God already loves each of us even as sinners but He does not love sin. Jesus's death on the cross paid the penalty in full, for whosoever will. Come to Jesus He will welcome you as you are but IF you come to Him, there is an expectancy that you do not remain as you are. You have a choice, to live for Him or for yourself.
Whether homosexuality is something someone is "born with", is not an issue, sin is the issue. Being born of a skin color or height is not a sin, these physical features are not sin, the inherent desire to follow the wickedness of one's own heart is, be it homosexuality, pedophilia, be it a heterosexual's desire to *bed-hop*, it doesnt matter, these are sins of the heart, for Jesus said " But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. " (Matthew 5:28KJV)
After the fall of man with Adam and Eve's disobedience to God, anyone born into this world of a man and woman is born of sin, therefore already we are separated from God spiritually, so someone's *sexual orientation* as a matter of being born or influenced in, is not the issue, sin is sin. (Keep in mind, that without a man and a woman as one flesh, there would be no one born as it is in the natural, as two men together or two women together cannot in of themselves produce any offspring).
As for sin, it does not matter if it is homosexuality, adultery, lying, stealing, murdering and yes abortions qualify as murder of an unborn child, it is not one or all of these that serves to condemn, it is the fact that we being born into sin are separated spiritually from God already, therefore no matter the sin, we're doomed already.
However, one that accepts the free gift of salvation through Jesus the Christ is saved from their sins and therefore should no longer live in them. If we live in Christ we are dead to sin, if we live in sin we are dead to Christ. " Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. " (Romans 6:11KJV)
Its not a sermon I write, just the truth in love.
Hey,
Gay,
I have some abhorrent, misguided, sinful and distasteful bull lackey I would like to force on you, where do you live.
You're a punk and a troll. You couldn't force anything on anybody
metro, you are just sad that the gays don't hit on you. Try not to be bitter, oops, too late.
MetroHome-
They say Homophobes have a lot of repressed gay feelings, or are just plain gay. Which one are you, "Cup Cake"?
"MOM: I want our son to get married and be happy."
"DAD: He is already happy...why ruin it by getting married"
The gay community can have the equal right to be as miserable as the rest of us
This should do a lot of good to end marriage as we know it as, it will not longer have any meaning.
to some people it already doesnt, if you need to socially discriminate against a minority and deny them the same basic rights in order for your marriage to have any credibility...then the problem is not in the law or in societies perception, but in your relationship with your spouse
duba--I hadn't thought about that, but you make a lot of sense. Good for you! That's a really really new way to look at it and might even cause some of these vehement bigots to slink off the thread.
With a 50% divorce rate, it doesn't mean much now....
Obama's position on same-sex marriage will be like all his other positions - whatever gets him the most votes.
Considering that, RIGHT OR WRONG, the Roman Catholic Church doesn't condone homosexuality, Biden as a practicing catholic should live his life accordingly. He's either a hypocrite or lying trying to appeal to the gay community. He can't pick and choose.
Joe Biden never fails an opportunity to demonstrate that he is one of the most moronic persons ever elected to office.
While you never fail to take the opportunity to demonstrate your bigotry here on Newsvine.
If Gays were to get their way and force their sin on the world, they would have won nothing, as marriage would have absolutely no meaning to the majority.
A struggle with no clear advantage. As marriage would no longer represent what it originally did to the Gays.
There will be no winners for the gays, push your moral disregards on something that would be a benefit.
MetroHome
There is only one document that Christianity recognises as being the words of God and written in His own hand.
If God was against gays, then why isn't it written in His own hand and be the 11th commandment?
If God was against gays, then why does he create babies that are born with both sex organs?
You phony Christians choose to worship the words of man over the words of God by refusing to live by the 10 Commandments.
But what is worse, you try to force others to believe in your phony Christan world with the laws you try to make.
Earn some self respect and start living by the 10 commandments. Be a real christian for a change.
At one time Christians thought slavery was the Will of God. Republicans get over condemning the gay community. You freed the slaves, so now free yourself from your misconception of God's Will.
God NEVER approves of sexual immorality. Unlike mankind, He is consistent in His standards of right and wrong.
We are not to judge those of the secular world.
We are to judge our fellow Christians.
What do you think of those churches (such as the SBC) that love to point out the sins of the secular world and then claim to put God's blessing on adultery?
they are equally wrong and in sin
Larry Robinson
You are so out of touch, you really need to go back and relearn the 10 commandments if you ever learned them in the first place.
Oh, it wasn't so long ago that christians like you were saying the same thing about Blacks and using it as an excuse like you are now against gays. .
There is nothing in the 10 Commandments about sexual immorality is there?
Seem like God wasn't as concerned about as you people. One could argue and would win the argument that if God took the time to created the 10 Commandmants, he could of put in some sub sections for more clearity. Yet God only created 10 that seem to be enough instructions on how man is to treate each other.
Treat others as you would want them to treat you has been written with Gods own hand.
If it had said treat others as you would treat yourself with the exception of gays, then you might have an argument.
Twisted is all I can say. Twsited ideas to enslave others to your beliefs. That is cetainily not the Will of God.
Larry
Doesn't matter we are not to judge. To do so is to violate the word of God.
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
More important Larry, do you speak out against those Churches (such as the SBC) that claim to put God's blessing on adultery?
Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Where do you stand? When a church will marry someone in their chapel that has divorced their spouse they are trying to bless adultery.
We ARE to speak out against the body of Christ.
You, and the church, need to take that beam out of your eye before you start condemning others.
Larry
I'm still waiting for your reply on the Adultery issue.
Since you are Ordained what are the odds you perform such marriages?
Could it be that is why you will not address this issue - you know you are a hypocrite but heck June is coming up and there is a lot of money to be made in those adulterous marriages isn't there?
I have brought this issue up with you before and every time you disappear.
Grow a pair and deal with it this time.
Don't forget Jesus was the hardest on the hypocrites.
"That's why we stopped defending the constitutionality of Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act in legal challenges and support legislation to repeal it. "
So the administration admits to picking & choosing what laws they will uphold & what laws they won't. That must be nice to be able to do.
Of course they do. Eric Holder should be behind bars.
Obama's declaration through Holder that he will not defend a US law is an impeachable offense
He is violating Article II, Section 3 of the US Constitution
To openly state you will not defend a law of the US shows the contempt that Obama has for the Constitution and should be immediately impeached and removed from this country.
And as usual, Larry, you are either willfully ignorant or obtuse -- perhaps a bit of both. Obama and Holder said they would no longer defend the law, which if you could actually comprehend what you quoted, you would see is not the same thing as "executing" the law. They said that, until the law is repealed or overturned by the US Supreme Court, they will enforce it -- but they will not defend it, because they believe it is unconstitutional.
And you claim to have an education -- you certainly don't prove it in your posts.
Most Constitutional scholars have said that you cannot execute the law if you don't also defend the law.
To state otherwise simply defies basic common sense
Which constitutional scholars said that, Larry? It is possible to execute/enforce a law without defending it.
Do some research before you post.
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so tell me...if gay people are not born gay...why do so many gay teenagers commit suicide because they are gay? why dont they just turn straight?
and when was that point in your life where you said "hmm, i have to think about this, i could chose to be attracted to men, but you know what, I will chose to be attracted to women!
for all you gay haters out there imagine a world where the only way to procreate was with a same sex relationship, and us straight people were the disgusting perverts who society looked down upon and refused to grant equal rights...would you turn gay just to appease society? i sure as hell wouldnt, i would keep living life the way i saw fit
@ slimkimmy - You are absolutely right. And civil rights (which Gays and non-Gays alike all have. No one is disputing that) has nothing to do with wanting to change or disobey existing law to suit your own agenda needs. Equality and being equal is that all of us be playing by the same set of rules.
@ dubaspace - So are people born everyday with various disease's. Should they not look for cures? No matter how you try rationalizing it. Try knowing right from wrong for a change And don't make excuses. And as far as "those gay haters". I have a good friend of mine that is gay. At least he is smart enough to know that until he or his significant other can drop a baby out of one of their butts. It's best not to try and to convince me that homosexuality is somehow the way it's suppose to work. Get a clue!
yes it is SO WRONG to live a private life that is neither your or my business with another person of the same sex and have a cerimony, and call it marriage, in order to make you and your partner happy
those of us who are GOOD AND RIGHTEOUS know that it is our duty to oppress these people and make sure they can not share the same happiness that we can with marriage, and about the baby thing...the human race is sooooo underpopulated so your right, if we legalize gay marriage then the human population, that has recently grown by several billion, will cease to exist!
you know what, lets also go ahead and ban marriage for infertile straight men and women, to make sure that this human race will continue to prosper!
Late Breaking MSNBC news:
Joie (the joke that keeps on giving) Biden all comfy with Gays! WOW! now there's a big surprise.
Nothing on msnbc garners more comments than an article about gay rights. Marriage is a private thing, and as long as the parties involved in a marriage are consenting adult humans, the government really has no business in approving or disallowing it.
If you're opposed to gay marriage, you really just need to come out and admit that what it comes down to is that you don't like gay people. That's your right, I suppose, but it's no basis for a legal argument. Get over it and stop worrying so much about what other people are doing. What does it even have to do with you?
The people who complain about too much government interference in our lives are the same ones who want to regulate something as private as marriage.