Correction -- the 8,000 number was this:

The Rams successful men’s basketball coach Shaka Smart hosted the event at the school’s Stuart C. Siegel Center. A fire marshal said that about 8,000 people were in attendance, filling the arena to capacity according to the Obama campaign.

The campaign event Saturday at the Schottenstein Center in Columbus, Ohio was this:

The Ohio arena, which holds around 20,000 people, appeared to be around two-thirds to three-quarters full, with around half of the seating in the upper deck empty. The Columbus fire department estimated the crowd size at 14,000. While smaller in size than many Obama rallies during the 2008 campaign, the crowd dwarfed the size of any rally held this cycle by Romney.

Mea culpa. Elmarco-3356414, Rove is that you?

Elmarco - 8000 is more tham Rhombus gets in a week at his rally's....

Russell, if you really did get your news from multiple sources, including Fox, you'd realize everything you said prior to that last paragraph is a contradiction.

Let me ask you a question... if you are a progressive and you have a conservative as president, and you knew that no matter how good that conservative would be as president, they would never do better than one of your own when it came to achieving your vision of utopia, wouldn't you want them to only serve 4 years instead of 8?

Obama promised uniting America and he's done nothing but polarize it with his extreme progressivism and now as his re-election campain, perpetuating a war on women, war on minorities, and war on classes....

We want to prevent him from being re-elected because he and the progressive movement is costing us our country. It's propaganda to call those who oppose him as the 'party of no,' or obstructionists.

Of course anything that opposes your ideology is going to be viewed as obstructionist. The thought process is so transparent because it's juvenile.

Zrey-1045505 -- Those are quotes from a news report!

http://wtvr.com/2012/05/05/obama-outlines-reelection/

The president always draws huge crowds, face up to it, and get real!

White Collar Auto -- NO, the premeditated plan to have a united front to obstruct, attack, and lie is NOT the norm that both Parties do. Especially contrary to voting one's conscience, against one's own legislation, and MOST of all against constituent wishes. That's why Lisa Murkowski issued an open apology for voting for the Blunt Amdendment.

Read the book -- Yes try reading a book for a change.

What is it with you people, do you eat off lead plates or something?!

Moose, you probably will never see this, but you asked how could Bush spend money off the books. The answer is that (a) the costs associated with Afghanistan and Iraq were never included in a budget passed by Congress, and (b) Bush periodically would ask Congress for what's called a continuing resolution for X dollars for Y purpose. Once approved, the Bush Administration through the Treasury would be permitted to borrow the money authorized - usually from China. These expenses, because they were not budgeted, were not included in the deficit although the loaned amount would be included in the debt.

When Obama came in, he insisted that these expenses be included in the deficit for the budget year in which the expenses were incurred - and was immediately blamed for increasing the deficit.

Nah TP, I'm pretty sure it was a Lib that made sure we don't have any more lead plates.

Thanks for that.

vglance - To quote Reagan, "there you go again" parroting squawking points.

You are confused with Dubya who said he was the "Great Uniter," and we know he said this because of incorrect grammar. He was the Great Pretender.

I'll be back shortly with a response to the czar nonsense...

On the other hand, President Obama extended olive branches and concessions to the point of criticism from his own Party (another thing that never happens with the GOP and their 11th Commandment). Even after being burned so many times by Teapublicans, the president still strives for unity.

ROY WILSON-336103 -- The Dems had a filibuster-proof super majority for about seven months, after Franken joined until Ted Kennedy passed away. I know you know this, so stop trolling.

White Collar Auto -- I was just trying to give you an excuse, you're welcome.

" the only campaign that has gotten more than 5,000 folks to show up is Ron Paul's, not Romney's."

Msnbc finally admitted that Ron Paul has more people coming out to see him speak than Romney does. This to all you people that say Ron Paul supporters are crazy.Crazy is catching on and you can't stop it!

ldo

Take a look at Politico's list of 31 "czars," which shrinks to 30 without Van Jones. Republican strategists like Ed Rollins have used that "31″ number to allege that there's a problem here. But perhaps the most controversial people labeled "czars" by [Glenn] Beck and by reporters have gone through Senate confirmations. Cass Sunstein, whom Politico labels the "regulatory czar," is waiting for the end of a Republican filibuster so he can lead the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, an office created in 1980. John Holdren, the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, was confirmed by the Senate, unanimously, six months ago. But none of that seems to matter to their critics. Michelle Malkin, whom, again, Politico credited for making this an issue, relentlessly refers to Holdren as the "Science Czar" as if it was his actual title.

Can we please get off the nontroversies already?

ted patrick -- There may not be a lot here about Ron Paul, but Rachel Maddow reports on it all the time. Not just that his supporters are loyal and enthusiastic, but also about the delegates he is amassing in the background.

I like some of Ron Paul's positions, but the rest is too far out there for me. If Romney is indeed the GOP/TP nominee, I hope Paul supporters will join Occupy and vote for reelection of the president.

A vulture capitalist plutocrat is NOT what the nation needs, especially one with no core who would be a puppet for the Teapublican oligarchy.

The good news is that Ron Paul is getting some support and if people vote for him and many of his supporters will even if they have to write his name on the ballot, those votes will largely be at the expense of Romney.

witchrunner -- First off there is no more Soviet Union, but I guess you are stuck in the twilight zone with Romney, Bachmann, et al. Second, I take this a an inference that the president is a commie pinko? Wow, so not credible of you to say. I don't know what's worse, the Muslim, Kenyan name calling or this.

Look up the word plutocrat (Romney) and oligarchy (corporations and GOP officials). This is not hyperbole. It's real.

um and Romney is better ... he wants to do away with many of the things that keep this country from going over a cliff in a big way .... are we going to compete with China in lowering our standards? look i may think obama has a few things wrong but the alternative ... (shudder) is just a corporate robot at least obama has some idea that a soulless being with no morals and no conscience IS NOT A PERSON ... corporations may be made up of people but they ARE NOT PEOPLE ... if they were they should be able to be arrested ..... so Romney is out Paul might be plausible but obama seems to be the least of all the evils i see....

when will people learn history always repeats itself.when the rich take too much for themselves and the populace gets screwed eventually a leader arises that unites them and the rich are slaughtered or camped.every revolution is about poverty of the masses verses the greed of the rich with a mix of ideology.were it not for FDR theres a very good chance were wouldnt be a democracy now.

theres a reason germany doesnt have free trade.their rich have learned itll cost them their heads if they outsource

“He is the son of a single mother who struggled to put herself through school and pay the bills. That’s who he is. He’s the grandson of a woman who woke up before dawn every day to catch a bus to her job at the bank,”"Redefine stakes": Didn't we hear the same rhetoric in 2008. What's been "redefined" in the last 3 and a half years.

"Redefine stakes" Didn't we hear the same rhetoric in 2008 . Whats been "redefined" in the last 3 and a half years?

Ha Witchrunner what a load of crap, we are no more or less a Socialist country than we have always been. You don't even understand the word, socialism is a system where the government owns big business, we have a system where big business owns the government. BTW he has never said people don't deserve to earn lots of money, he has said that those that earn a lot should at least pay the same tax rate as those who earn less, and that is only fair. One last thing was the Soviet Union communist or socialist you seem to have your talking points all mixed up, do you even understand the terms. I seen the damn near destruction of the US economy and it sure was not Obama at the helm when that happened, that was a republican president, so damn straight I will be voting for Obama. If you don't like Obama as president you can thank GW Bush because his disastrous performance as president made Obama a shoo in.

true commie patriot: Of course there is no longer a Soviet Union. I'm not stuck in the twilight some. But Obama has made it clear that he longs for those days. He's run up the deficit just like the Commies. He has used his powers to beat down everything that has produced the greatness of the US. Obamacare! This election has absolutely nothing to do with Romney. It has everything to do with Obama. If you don't want coal power, then vote for Obama. Of course, if you don't want coal power, then you don't want power. Over half the power in this country is coal power. So if you think we'd be better off with less than half the power we have, then vote for Obama. You do remember that he campaigned on the the fact that he could shut down coal power, but he could make it so expensive for coal companies to operate that he could put them out of business. Well, probably you don't. You also won't acknowledge the regulations that have in fact made coal power more expensive. You probably also believe the lies of the Department of Energy's head declaration that this administration is the most energy seeking administration in history. Then look up the Obama's administration moratorium of drilling in the gulf in violation of a court order, a reversal of a drilling permit on the north coast of Alaska because of boat traveling in the Arctic Ocean 70 miles away is detrimental to a village of 250 people. Of course I'm sure you believe that the blocking of the keystone pipeline will increase energy production in the US. Why, I know we have more energy already.

This doesn't even address Obamacare. It it the perfect legislation. Does it even cross your mind why such a terrific piece of legislation would cause Obama to grant so many waivers from the law? Really, if it is so great, why would you want to allow anyone to not come under the law immediately? Those who have half a brain are fully aware that the waivers have been granted because the law it a totally destructive, but that the granting of waivers are granted so that the gullible will hopefully continue to be fooled into voting for Obama before they actually see what the law really means. No one would vote for Obama if the waivers weren't granted.

I like MSNBC, I really do. But...

and an incumbent looking to spend the next for years building on his achievements.

The next for years? How about four years? I keep seeing this kind of stuff over and over. Maybe I should apply for a job as a proofreader.

Dave: The Obama press doesn't want proofreaders. They only want numbnuts who will believe anything they say. They don't care if what they write makes sense. If the only thing you find wrong with MSNBC is a little bit of spelling, then you should sue all the schools that you thought were "educating" you. It's clear that they have failed miserably.

Gil-2872519 -- A lot of the things the president originally campaigned on was affected by the economic meltdown. Only now do economists realize how bad it was -- Paul Krugman is calling it a depression, not a recession now. Considering this, and the obstruction especially after 2010, he kept a lot of promises, but still has more he would like to do. He deserves a second term FAR more than Bush/Cheney did.

witchrunner --

I don't know what the deficit has to do with Commies, but I'd rather be a socialist than a fascist (you can look up those terms too).

You like other rightwingers admit you would vote for anyone, it doesn't matter who, so you don't have a clue about Romney and you'll vote for him anyway. Wow.

Then you go off on incoherent rants about coal, and then another about Obamacare, and heck, I've lost interest.

18,300 seats and Obama only filled 14,000?

Let's see, that's more than three times more than any Romney rally.

Roy Wilson boasts that the republican House has passed 30 jobs bills. Name them, without including the Planned Parenthood defunding, Medicare voucher rewrite, pipeline approval, contraception ban, and voter supression ear marks.

We have Dave-2550157 in denial. http://obamaachievements.org/

witchrunner thinks you cast your votes for the one making you more money. I guess morals aren't important to him.

ldo thinks you can flip healthcare on and off like a light switch.

bite me-2413009 is worried about rigged elections when his own party can't even divide up their delegates correctly.

I guess some never realized that common sense got up and left.

TP - LMAO, vulture capitalist?? Corporate and GOP collusion?

My, my, my... Guess you have missed out on quite a few years of reality about private equity companies and their intent to only suck cash out of the companies they take over. Those companies that are sound, rarely require any type of takeover or are unable to fight off a hostile takeover. Those companies that are weak, with poor management and falling sales, but with a possibility for a turnaround in 5 - 10 yrs are good targets.

Guess what? Some of those companies will still go belly up and some will have a favorable turn around. Chances are without private equity most will go bellyup.

Of course we all know the solyndra story where obama treated the federal government as a "private equity" firm to support it and solyndra still went south.

As for corporate and GOP ties, how forgetful for you to ignore how much corporate America supported obama in 2008 and how obama is once again wooing them this year. I wonder how many middle class and poor can afford obamas $35,000/plate fundraisers?

As for the erroneous contention that obama seriously stretched out his hand to the right his 1st two years, answer us this... Why was it not until 2010 that he invited the congressional minority leaders to the WH for a sitdown. Talk about poking the opposition in the eye!.

Bosslimo--I voted for Obama in 2008. I'm not a Dem, nor am I a Pub. I'm a SOCIAL liberal (pro gay rights, pro women's right to choose and other rights, etc.), but I am a FISCAL conservative. I was raised by parents who were kids in the depression, and was brought up to NOT borrow money for anything other than houses, and THEN only for the least amount you have to, and for the least amount of time. ALMOST anything else needs to be SAVED up for, not bought on credit. Now I KNOW there are exceptions--if you clothes dryer shoots craps, you need a new one sooner than you can save up for--BUT, and this is a big BUT--THAT is what a 'rainy day' fund is for--emergency needs. Now, people look at you like you are speaking Swahili if you mention that they need to have savings equal to 6 months of your salary, that you need to put at least 10% down on you home (which has the added benefit of letting you PRACTICE coming up with that amount every month, since you sure will have to when you get a mortgage.)

So, anyway, Obama promised to protect a woman's right to choose, and then the first person he appointed to the Supreme Court was not ONLY another CATHOLIC, but he had not even TALKED to her about her views. (and the very fact that she avoided any questions on it tells me I might not like her answers.) The next big thing he did was to sign an executive order that prevents ANY company providing health insurance from also paying for Abortions, EVEN if the woman wants to pay EXTRA for that coverage. And he did NOT do that to try to placate Republicans--He did not need to do that--he did it to convince DEMS to vote for that pig of a 'health care bill' (which does NOTHING to improve health care, but hands big insurance a whole ton of FORCED new customers).

So reason 1 that I voted for him for, he has a big FAIL on.

Then, despite promising gays he would work for rights for them, to over-turn the DOMA, and DADT, he has basically only given lip service to both, while instructing his admin to do likewise.

Ironically, GAYS in the US cannot get married, cannot claim their partner on taxes, cannot openly serve in the military,

And YET, ILLEGALS in this country can do ALL of the above, PLUS more, and the President has instructed his DOJ and Homeland Security/ICE to 'let it go'.

So tell me, if the DEM presidential candidate will betray people who are traditionally DEMS, while simultaneously piling up MORE and more debt to dump on my kids and grandkid's plate, WHY would I want to vote for him?

Heck, I can vote for ROMNEY if I want a candidate who does not work for abortion rights or gay rights. And like it or not, Romney DOES have the background to run a company, and Obama didn't have it then and didn't FIND it in 3 1/2 years.

The Pubs aren't great, but I'm afraid of what 4 more years of Obama will do to the future of this country.

And if Romney doesn't make things better, we will have PROVEN that there IS no guarantee of 2 terms.

TP - ABO 2012?

Of course, it isn't rocket science to realize that the jr senator from illinois has failed to deliver on his rhetoric of hope and change. He has shown us that he has little to show in executive decision making for promoting unity of purpose for we as a nation in whole or in congress.

Yep, we knew little of what he could accomplish as potus and after over 3 years he has changed the game plane from hope and change to blame and misinform. Now we know and no he doesn't deserve a 2nd term for more blame and divisiveness. He is supposed to be a POTUS, not a blamer.

morrigan-1568233 #1.3,

Lest ye forget that a very large part of our financial problems can be traced back to WJC. It was he who allowed derivatives to cause the worst of our financial problems to occur. See Brooksley Born on Frontline's the Warning.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/

Then later courtesy of Madam Speaker Pelosi pushed through Obamacare with the comment that "they need to pass it so that congressional members can see what's in it", with only one copy of the massive document available.

These two items are a major reason for our massive financial problems and Obama continues to expand our debt levels at an alarming rate. Whatever happened to "fiscal responsibility"?

Why are people complaining that everything costs so much more than it use to be? Do they NOT understand that the never ending "printing of money" is the reason everything costs so much more?

Take a good look ! http://www.usdebtclock.org/

it just isn't possible to get a worse leader than obama at this point, he has divided America on nearly every front.

Romney is not much better than Obama.

Ron Paul 2012!

TruePatriot,

You realize every time you bring up Bush failings as a means to prop up Obama, you realize you're pointing to bad behavior to justify bad behavior. You are so brainwashed by propaganda, you think everyone who thinks low of Obama is a Bush lover. Guess what. YOU'RE WRONG.

Bush and Obama are BOTH progressives. Government expanded both through intrusion and regulation incredibly during the Bush administration (Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Sarb-Ox). I love it when people who know nothing about politics and history claim Bush was responsible or in favor of deregulation.

Sarbanes-Oxley was one of the biggest additions to regulation in the history of the country both in size and scope and it did/does more damage than anything and did nothing to prevent major accounting scandals and fraud.

TruePatriot, with all due respect, I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap a better argument than you.

If you love Obama, you HAVE to love Bush. They're the same. Massive spending, massive government, warmongering, and government involvement/manipulation in everything.

Only the ill-informed or brainwashed through propaganda will like one of those presidents and hate the other. You say I'm using squawking points? How many news anchors or correspondents put Bush and Obama in the same boat?

You're the one that's just regurgitating the same rhetoric like the sports fan's daily rehashing of Sportscenter at the water cooler. I read your posts and you never break the surface. Your thought process clearly is not getting to the heart of understanding human behavior and the long-term. In the words of Shaun T, "Dig deeper!"

MOmaid

Wrong and wrong.

DADT was stripped.

Obama has the highest rating of deportation.

american-2051576

Wrong. For two years straight, the president sought after bi-partisanship. He sought compromise with Boehner on many occasions which Boehner declined. He conceded on the public option, Bush tax cuts, and government reduction. Obama offered republicans 2 trillion in government cuts, that was declined.

If there were fingers to point at anyone for obstructionism, point them towards republicans, they seem to be the master. Finally, after three years, the president used recess appointments to get some appointments released from the republican hostages.

Divisiveness? You mean like TEA party rallies waging a revolution or death panel politics? Seriously, you expect the common voter to believe Obama is the divisive one?

Sounds like the "I'm rubber, you're glue" playbook.

Bosslimo - that must explain why on a recent charlie rose interview boehner said he had a deal on both taxes and cuts with obama that he could sell to the house, but obama came back wanting more taxes.

Usually when a deal is made and then one party comes back and wants to change it, the deal fails.

So tell us again why if obama was so accomodating he didn't have any WH sitdowns with the minority leaders until early to mid 2010? Not a good sign if you are looking for bipartisanship. Love the excuse obama and company made about including ideas forwarded by the right in the past. Seems that it would have been smarter to ask them directly at a WH sitdown. Your now, keep it current and keep it relevent.

Speaking about death panels, wasn't that supported by democrats and pointed out by palin? After all, at what point can the democrats have health care policies that wantonly spend during a persons last year of life without having a "death panel"?

Seems that the democrats view is that everything can be solved by spending more money and let's not concern ourselves with sustainability. That may have worked for both sides prior to 2009, but it sure is the wrong path today.

Nice try at the rubber and glue comparison.... Nice but lame.

FYI - I was at the rally and you are incorrect.

Romney says "Corporations are people. Well Birthers...show me a birth certificate!

Tell the soldiers overseas fighting , getting wounded, the soldiers coming back wounded and dying, tell the families of soldiers that corporations are people too. Romney .......show us the birth certificates and show us corporations bleeding and coming home in body bags. Corporations are people too.....LIAR

Romney adds 17 Bush advisors to his campaign........foreign affairs....Bush all over again.....talk about insanity...more Haliburton war profiteers with another name.

Starsailing... So you don't see the analogy??

DOB = date of founding or incorporation.

Just as a person is an entity that makes up a part of the whole, so is a corporation/business an entity that makes up a part of the whole.

Corporations/businesses pay income taxes just like a person (household) pays income taxes.

Don't corporations support charities just like individuals?

Want to talk about bleeding? What happens when a business files bankruptcy? Don't they bleed their workforce (aka employees) and investors? You know those who had dreams of a better life for their families. Then let's talk about the bleeding done by the suppliers of that corporation.

BTW - I see little difference between the foreign policies of bush2 or obama other than obama occasionally likes to run of at the mouth before engaging his brain.

Obama's first campaign was about absolutely nothing and now Barak wants to frame this campaign about his achievements: almost nothing. At least he's consistent.

The president is asking his supporters if they think they are on the right direction to being better off, say, four years from now.

The decision to re-ask a different question to the "are you better off" refrain is a tacit acknowledgment by the campaign that the "are you better off" question isn't an easy one for voters to answer in the affirmative for Obama.

So now it’s going to take another 4 years for things to get better? We can’t afford that! Look what he did to the deficit he promised to CUT!

Obama promised to cut the $455 billion deficit in half in four years.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/another-obama-record-4-straight-years-of-trillion-dollar-deficits/

Will we better off if we depend less on foreign oil and more on our own ingenuity? That's the question.”

Oh like Solyndra?

Instead, the president’s stump speech was all about protecting his first-term achievements like the health care reform law

Wonder what he plans to run on in June when the SCOTUS rules it UNCONSTITUTIONAL?

But that was missing in Saturday’s speeches. Perhaps by the convention, the president will have a more direct pitch about what another four years will look like.

See, he STILL doesn't have a clue!!!

Bosslimo "Roy Wilson boasts that the republican House has passed (about) 30 jobs bills. Name them"

Happy to oblige - Here's the link to 29 bills passed by the Republican House that are "Stalled in the Senate";

http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/


The normal process is for the Senate to debate the bill, make any amendments they deem appropriate, and then send them to a joint conference committee, where differences are resolved and then passed by both houses and sent to the President for signature.

Harry Reid has put them in a drawer and basically said "I'm not even going to allow them to be debated".

By the way - Harry Reid has not bothered to pass an annual Budget for the Federal Government for ANY of the last 4 years, despite that being required by the Constitution - and then he has the gall to blame the Republicans for the 'Do Nothing Congress'.


Unfortunately, the liberal media never calls him out on his incompetence.

Quoting from the article:

In back-to-back speeches in two key swing states, the Obama campaign indicated how it wants to define the general election: as a choice between a tool of congressional Republicans who wants to undo the president’s first-term agenda and an incumbent looking to spend the next for years building on his achievements.

I would say this is a good summation. The republicans absolutely DO want to undo the president's first term (Obamacare, massive debt, stagnant economy, exploding government growth).

And the really sad thing is, these things I mentioned are the same things he would point to as his accomplishments. If the American people are dumb enough to vote him in twice, they we are dumber than I think and we deserve whatever we get.

The REAL question is "Can we afford 4 more years of Obama?"

The Deficits for Obama's first 4 years will be $5,200 Billion (2012 proj), vs only $820 Billion for Bush's first 4 years (2001-2004) - that's more than 6 times as much as 'big-spender' Bush.

Here's the official Obama White House link to verify - See Table 1.3;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

On the Jobs picture, the average number of jobs for 2008 was 136,790,000 (including job losses at the end of 2008).

After Obama's third year (2011), that has dropped to 131,359,000 – that's a LOSS under Obama of 5,431,000 net average jobs.

Here's the Link to official Bureau of Labor Statistics site on employment to verify - Compare jobs for 2011 vs 2008;

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

American-"Corporations are people, my friend" by Romney in Iowa should be repeated over and over again by any Democrat running in 2012. If you are clueless enough to believe and support this idea none your future posts are worth reading.

This ruling by the 5 Supremes has to be reversed before the corporations and the rich end democracy as we know it. $$$$$$$$$$$(speech) should require vocal chords.

This is a device that the right will use to eliminate those tedious majorities. They see that they will soon be a minority group with no chance to win a national election. They want to change the game like children when they can't win.

RICHMOND, Virginia -- In back-to-back speeches in two key swing states, the Obama campaign indicated how it wants to define the general election: as a choice between a tool of congressional Republicans who wants to undo the president's first-term agenda

Of course, we can't let the mistakes like those of the last three (5 including the 2 years the Democrats held Congress in the last 2 years of Bush) years destroy our country. Only the Republicans are intelligent enough to see that and willing to step up and defend America.

and an incumbent looking to spend the next for years building on his achievements.

What achievements?

What have we learned from "the Great Experiment?"

1. A community organizer does not make a good President.

2. Too many of the American people were willing to put aside the President's lack of a relevant work record and a poor record as a Senator and vote for him anyway based on "hope and change." (A too large amount were bound and determined they were not racist by voting for the first person of color that comes down the pike. A huge, huge mistake.)

3. Anyone who votes for him now will prove just how out of touch they are with the concept of fiscal responsibility. All Obama voters are willing to ignore how much America need fiscal responsibility and vote for a person unwilling and unqualified to achieve fiscally responsibility.

4. Without fiscal responsibility we are the next Greece.

5. Juggling the unemployment stats to give the appearance of a lower unemployment rate is designed specifically for the sheep. When the fact is, those numbers have been changed, lowering the number of Americans able to work by several million. Where do you think those people went? We didn't have a plague and there has not been a mass exodus out of the country. Fact is, they are still there, and the govt. is "eliminating" them from the numbers to dupe the American public.

6. Obama campaigning at Universities is only because his numbers in that age group are slipping. (Just as they are with most groups, except the die hard sheeples.) College Universities do not represent the majority of any State.

Overall, there is no reason to re-elect Obama if we are to put this country back on track for fiscal and economic recovery. The stimulus, Obamacare, son of Stimulus, money for green energy, and bailouts to pay off campaign supporters is not the path to fiscal and economic recovery. Another 4 years of more of the same will only harm America more.

There is a reason we were founded on the principles we were founded on. They work!....catering to those who want to forsake those principles is what has gotten us to where we are now. Stop it!

looking to spend the next for years building on his achievements

Just as the writing skills of this author are lacking so are the leadership skills of the incumbent. FOR years of what achievements??? Plunging the nation deeper into debt or increasing our unemployment numbers?

What a putz!

willowbrook "6. Obama campaigning at Universities is only because his numbers in that age group are slipping. (Just as they are with most groups, except the die hard sheeples."

The irony of those college students voting for Obama is that THEY are the ones that will have to repay the huge increase in the National Debt under Obama (plus interest), which means that their standard of living will be dramatically reduced as more and more of their taxes will have to go towards interest on the debt instead of social programs and growing the economy/jobs.

One big advantage to electing Romney is that the Republicans in Congress are far more likely to support tax increases on the 'rich' to reduce the Deficits than they would under Obama.

BS Both parties have their own plans to screw the american people!!!

The first lady made a pitch directly to college students who, along with African-Americans, are the two groups who came out in the strongest numbers for the president but also run high risk of staying home in 2012.

“To all of the college students out there, all of you -- if you're going to be moving over the summer, remember to register at your new address in the fall. You got that? Get that done,” she urged.

Yeah, right after you discover you CANT FIND A JOB!!! You already flushed your future down the drain when you voted for him the first time. Fool me once, shame on you fool me twice…SHAME ON ME!

TruePatriot-445959

Elmarco-3356414 -- Provide proof for your claim. There was over 8,000 in attendance. And look at the shot from the stage and all the people in the background, not to mention the photo -- The people are very enthusiastic.

Too bad reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit….from the article…

But the arena did not reach its full capacity of 18,300, with about 4,000 of those seats remaining unfilled. Observers of the 2008 race know that the first Obama campaign would have been able to fill every seat.

A good tell tale sign!

GT-2021701

Elmarco - 8000 is more tham Rhombus gets in a week at his rally's....

Perhaps because Romney already has his voters and they don’t need to be swooned into voting for him?

TruePatriot-445959

On the other hand, President Obama extended olive branches and concessions to the point of criticism from his own Party (another thing that never happens with the GOP and their 11th Commandment). Even after being burned so many times by Teapublicans, the president still strives for unity.

Oh, that olive branch must have been the closed door Obamacare meetings? Or was it when he told them they could ride in the back of the bus?

The only concessions I remember were bribes to get the votes for obamacare

one aspect of most presidential re-election pitches was absent from the president’s opening salvo: the introduction of a clear second-term agenda.

He is only focused on preserving the thing he has done - dividing the nation. His only two accomplishments - partisan passage of a debt inducing medical bill and drive up the debt limit have so divided the nation that he is only focused on retaining that division since he has no plan for reuniting the country.

Out of curiosity - when did he stop campaigning from the last election? How can one restart something they never ended?

What everyone fails or refuses to remember is that the Democrats OWNED both houses of Congress for TWO years of the Obama administration. The Dems and Obama cannot legitimately blame the Republicans for blocking them for the 1st two years of the administration. How do you think we ended up with the mess that is Obamacare? Obama wasted two years of political capital and now he wants to cry foul. The Dems want to point the finger at the Reps for wanted to make Obama a one-term President - yet what party has not wanted that for their own? Was there any more vitriol than when Bush won in 2000? How long were questions raised about his legitimacy? Americans have short memorise and that is why Obama and the Dems can get away with the finger pointing.

cruzin596

Wrong. Democrats didn't have a super majority. It took Republican Snowe to get the healthcare bill passed.

Obamacare is the end result of republican modifications. After conceding on every point, the president signed what was left of it.

It's easy to get away with finger pointing if you are pointing at the guilty party.

Notice how many comments are "collapsed by the community" on this issue? I don't understand a forum that seeks to squash opinions, regardless of which side they take. Censorship in any form only leads to an uneducated, uninformed electorate... and then look what happens; you get an a whole like Oblahblah for your president!

Realist pondering...

Essentially you are saying that you choose to ignore what the US constitution implies in the ist amendment concerning the right to petition. The framers make no distinction between it only being for an individual or group of individuals.

Now let's look at what you quoted romney as saying...

"Corporations are people, my friend" by Romney in Iowa

Where is the lie? The deceit? Just what do you think the word "people" means?

How foolish of you not to realize that corporations and business in general are made up as a team of people working together for not only shared goals but individual goals as well.

Would you say that government are people to or are our elections meaningless?

vglance

I always type "GOP/Bush-era" in my posts, and have posted on Nixon being Keynesian and how the economy started going down the toilet with Reagan and supply-side voodoo economics. So apparently you have not been reading all my posts.

If you love Obama, you HAVE to love Bush.

There's a grain of truth from the perspective that we are still operating under GOP/Bush-era policies of war, tax cuts for the rich, and deregulation (Dodd-Frank is not Glass-Steagall). The small efforts such as the stimulus, extension of unemployment, and breaks for the middle class have prevented a complete meltdown. But an "Obama Economic Policy" has yet to be put in place.

I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap a better argument than you.

The readers can decide for themselves, but crap is all I've seen.

ROY WILSON-336103

The REAL question is "Can we afford 4 more years of Obama?"

No, it's not. Aside from american-2051576 taking a page from Karl Rove's playbook with Projection Politics of GOPee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?" the false choice bumper stickers like that never cease to amaze. President Obama is a known variable, so it is Romney who needs to make HIS case to voters.

Tony D-373561 -- And yet, as always, after the "thread is dead" the rightwing crazies come out of the woodwork and post just like you.

american-2051576, et al, and more Projection Politics – It was Dubya who said he was the "Great Uniter" and we know this because of incorrect grammar. But once again, the rightwing and their Manichean (black and white simple minded) hypocrisy never ceases to amaze.

Aside from the many reasons for polarization -- First and foremost in the 1990s the advent of 24-hour cable news like FOX that received talking points from the White House, and then Gingrich the Grandfather of hate speech and parliamentary machinations, followed by Karl Rove and Projection Politics like Swiftboating and using religious wedge issues (the early War on Women), joined by the likes of Frank Luntz, Rush Limbaugh… The rush to invade Iraq was a big dividing issue.

Other than that, statistics show that when the economy tanks, the gap between the rich and poor explodes, and polarization of the Parties increases as well. But the lack of civility and government shutdowns started by Newt, and record GOP filibusters – these have become abused for Tyranny by the Minority and are destroying our constitutional democracy.

Own up and get your own house in order.

Look at the "collapses" above and wonder: "I don't agree with what you are saying but, I"ll fight to the death to protect your right to say it" (not an accurate quote - but close enough). Our country was build on this principle, If those organized groups of "collapsers continue to stifle free speech they should be cast out and moved to Iran. This is a fee nation founded on the principle of free speech. If a group of union, pro-lifers, demos or pubs don't like what is said then find another country. I'm sick of the bigoted assh**s collapsing. Love it or leave it !!!

Neither political party is offering solutions for where America is at economically. The economy will only get worse, no matter who is elected.

America is circling the drain, before we wake up in economic collapse and disaster.

America lost WWIII without firing a shot, the collapse came from within!

How naive were we back in the Bush days to fall for the war monger solution,now we cant use that tactic anymore people have wised up..Bring our troops home along with the money.

Apparently MSNBC missed the fact that the Obama re-election campaign began the day after his inauguration. Obama has never stopped campaigning, and unfortunately the country has suffered as a result.

Certainly both sides of the isle are to blame, and the voters that continually send the same politicians to Washington but expect different results. Obama is a failure and the much is known, giving him four more years would prove the idiocy of the voters.

Fixing the mess our political elite have created in this country will not be quick, but it has to be measured. If when a step is taken and the result is a failure like Obama, then we need to try something else. We can no longer just hope for change in Washington, we have to demand it by voting out those that simply do not perform like Obama.

I CAN NOT BELIEVE someone here had the nerve to talk about Bush and the war spending that was no on the budget! W T F?

Obama has not had a budget the entire time he has been in office, his past budget did not get a single DEMOCRAT vote, and neither did the one before that. This is because his budgets are so out in left field, literally, that they are a political albatross even to the Dems that lean far left.

How hypocritical!

Thank God for President Obama.

ABAR 2012! Vote the Republicans out of Congress so we can all prosper again!

We must: return to the policies of the 1990's so we can once again make money, grow wealth and hire more people.

You MUST campaign for and elect Democrats to Congress if you want prsoperity to return to America.

american-2051576

A corporation is an entity comprised of its creators and employees. It isn't a human. It may be a conglomerate of many humans, but not human. With that concept in mind, everyone places their feces in the same location, rendering its eventual location as "people" because it is comprised of human elements.

Also, given your analysis, Romney would be arrested for murder, as he has killed many of them. Are you seeing how preposterous this line of thinking is?

So, in essence, the thought that corporations are people too (somehow invisible, intangible, ethereal) is a @!$%#ty analogy and its killing me.

Mouzie - we can add all the parties that we want the problem is we already have grid lock with just 2 groups now add a third or a fouth..you can see where i am going with this.

I truly fee that for the most part when people get involved with politics they do it for the right reason but once they get wraped up in the machine of deals behond closed doors all bets are off..it is sad to say that there will never be a party that does what we want or not lie to us, we are left with deciding on who we can live with because they get results

How so? More than one parties was a massive success! Want examples? Whig Party, Progressive Party, etc. Were parties that wasn't Democratic or Republican in nature. The reason why there is a gridlock is because they are the largest parties hands down, the main issue is that people from both sides are being ignorant and you can get upset at me, but it's true in the long run. You have two sides pointing fingers and not getting anything done, you have two parties that has been known to break promises or lie, or even cheat and steal, the main issue isn't that to elect a new party and get rid of the two or add in more, it's making Americans understand that their party isn't as good as the other. Once you get the two to understand that fighting will not fix anything it'll be done. We're lagging behind more and more behind in the idea of democracy.

I can't wait until he gets voted out - mostly so a lot of you will have no one to blame.

Rob - Don't hold your breath waiting on that to happen....

Obama/Biden -2012

you are absolutely right - the fighting must end, and like you i feel both sides are being run their prospective radicals. now getting people to admit that their party isn't as good or better than the other might be a tall order because now you are asking individuals to question their own values and at this point in the game I just don't see that happening...maybe at some point there will be no parties but that will require Americans to all be on the same page...

Actually I think we should can both parties, and redo the system, if it's at all possible. The old system is out dated, and doesn't function the way it should anymore.

Alright, agreed, we need a different approach. How about something informative and entertaining at the same time? Let's take a page from THE HUNGER GAMES; send political candidates into the arena where they can fight to the death. Last one standing is considered elected. It would be a lot more cost efficient than what we're doing now. Put it on PAY PER VIEW, apply the proceeds to the national/Chinese debt.

We are presently represented by bottom feeders, across the board, whose only interest is their reelection and the power devolving to their party. Their mind set prohibits them from any meaningful service. Secret and not so secret agendas abound. Obama and the UN, Romney and big business. How can anyone honestly consider one better than the other? We are going to be asked to do just that. Both are moral bankrupts seeking to lead what used to be the greatest nation on earth. How can there be any moral high ground with leaders like these?

Possibly a third party is the answer. Most likely it isn't. The entire structure is rotten and needs to come down and be rebuilt to mirror the vision this nation was founded on.

The first step is to be rid of Obama and his legacy of FAST AND FURIOUS, apology for the United States and so on. Give Romney a term while we seek out someone better suited to lead a free people.

Mike-1404114

Give Romney a term while we seek out someone better suited to lead a free people.

You mean someone better suited then Romney, right? Ha. Fast and Furious otherwise known as Operation Wide Receiver started under Bush. You rightwingers never stop do ya?

All we need to do is get money out of politics. No lobbyists, no ALEC, no Citizen's United Super PACs, and the two-party system will work just fine.

First we will need to get rid of the Teapublicans who are beholden to lobbyists and involved in ALEC the most, and we need to make sure Romney doesn't get elected to prevent a bunch of Robert Bork types appointed to the SCOTUS.

TruePatriot: "All we need to do is get money out of politics" Google how much money President Obama has for his campaigning. $104 mil. and then google how much they anticipate Clooney will be raising for President Obama estimates are about $12 mil. When you talk about getting money out of politics, you need to look first at our President. He's one of them also. The only way to get money out of politics is to elect Romney. He's already rich, he won't be bought.

Romney was bought and paid for a long time ago... What state do you think he will sell if he gets the presidency? Isn't that how he made his money? By loading a company up with debt and then selling parts of it to its competition?

Straw man Flip flop

GranCanyon -- The two-Party system refers primarily to Congress.

In regard to the presidency -- Let's examine the GOP/TP primary and the new phenomenon of "Sugar Daddy" mega donors like Sheldon Adelson and Foster Friess. Sure, the president has supporters like George Clooney, but most of the money raised by Obama's campaign is from small, individual contributions, especially compared to other presidential candidates.

But ya got me on Romney being bought -- He has donors from Bain/Wall Street, and others now like Frank VanderSloot. There is not doubt his agenda would be to protect the richest 1% (obviously himself as well as his donors), but the bigger problem is that Romney has no core. Romney would do what ever it takes to win power and keep power--he will just be a puppet of Norquist, the religious-Right, neocon war mongers, along with Big Business.

TP - and it was under obamas watch that fast and furious went south, got anything to say of merit? Perhaps you want to tell us how obama is just like bush2?

Poor TP, obama is doing a whole lotta doing whatever it takes to be re-elected... If only the wealthy would pay more, isn't $35,000/plate fundraisers enough? Let's have a buffet rule instead of tax reform across the board. The right only wants to cut taxes on the rich, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Perhaps obamas biggest blunder is playing to public sector unions and teachers. After all, other than perhaps the USPS (without subsidies) anyone who gets a government paycheck, gets it at the sufference of the private sector via collected taxes and fees. To bad he didn't focus on creating an economic growth environment within the private sector.

I like the hunger games idea but I think Nancy Pelosi has too much of an advantage since she's made of plastic.

And I think Chris Christie would get the wrong idea from the title. :)

spend the next for years building on his achievements.

See we need some serious Education in this country......two (2) reporters who get paid for writing, then proof reading what they write, then hit the spell check button, only to still get paid to be a screw up......

It would be: spend the next FOUR years building on his achievements.

Mike-Fast and Furious is another Bush legacy. He started the program. Look it up. It's just another Fox News failure. They hammer the program without telling the whole truth. Look this up and then re-look at Fox News. What else are they lying about?

realist - yet fast and furious went south under obamas watch, now what?

Yeah Amos, maybe President Obama will even go 2 a Birthday Party while a Major American City Floods!

No Amnesia here!

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

Amos and Ford - Lets see some facts, not just the same old talking points. Obama pretty much debunked (in about 30 min.) everything Mittens has stated in his whole pathetic campaign.

Obama/Biden -2012

President Obama has a great record to run on. The Stimulus created and saved over three million jobs when the recession was so dire. He stood up and saved the American car industry when the GOP was totally against doing so. This action saved three million or more jobs that would have been lost because so many jobs are connected to the auto business. President Obama has a lot to show for his time in office like ending the Iraq War, killing Osama bin Laden and many other terrorists in the AL qaeda network. He has protected this country much more than Bush ever did. He is a smart hardworking and caring president who will definitely get my vote because I am sick and tired of the GOP and their rabidly anti-American agenda against helping our country prosper.

I would rather have Obama reelected than a Corporate Raider who will strip all money from all our Safety Nets and then give it to his billionare and Trillionare friends.

Corporate Raider Romney left behind so many broken lives from the factories he liquidated and then, get this, he bought a 8 million dollar home then ripped it down and built a 12 million dollar home. The Money he used was stripped from the American Worker who use to work at the factories that he destroyed.

Romney would be a massive unimaginable disaster for this Nation, should he ever become President.

And thats my opinion.

Vicki-341829....."President Obama has a great record to run on. The Stimulus created and saved over three million jobs when the recession was so dire."

WRONG.

Mr. Obama laughed on a TV interview saying the "shovel ready jobs were not so hovel ready" and it cost the American taxpayers about $ 862,000,000,000. Mr. Biden even stated during an interview that the Stimulus DID NOT WORK.

If you want to talk about being anti-American, you need to talk to Mr. Reid and Mrs. Pelosi.

Here is a video of Mr. Obama's supporters:

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCXot2HQT00&feature=related

Let's leave Anne Romney and Michele Obama out of the discussion. They're not running for office.

JocelyneJ....."Let's leave Ann Romney and Michee Obama out of the discussion. They're not running for office."

Yep, better re-direct that to Media Matters, the White House communications team, Mr. Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters, and more importantly....Mr. Obama.

Vicky: President Obama did NOT save the American car industry. Ford and many other auto companies didn't need to be bailed out on the taxpayers backs. You can't have it both ways, President Obama has helped the US and the Republicans are obstructions so he can't get anything done. We still have 24 mil.unemployed/underemployed and discouraged workers. Kids are graduating with no hope of a job. Big changes need to happen for the US to prosper and Romney knows how to get people back to work and get this economy moving.

Romney? Ask any of those people who lost their jobs when Romney tore their companies apart to sell. The only jobs Romney knows how to provide are in China and in other foreign countries. What do you think His money is doing overseas? It sure isn't providing jobs here!

Sheepdog--you DO know that most of the companies that Bain took over were ALREADY going to go under, and what Bain did was keep the parts that were SAVABLE while eliminating the parts that COULD NOT be saved? Funny how you guys always claim Obama 'saved' jobs from being lost' (with no proof) but when Bain/Romney actually DID save companies like Staples (and those jobs) AND actually grown them, all you can say is Romney is providing jobs in foreign countries? SO IS GM. Levi Strauss outsourced all ITS construction overseas, and eventually sold off the whole manufacturing Arm. (and you don't GET more Dem than Levi Strauss.) NOT all the companies that shipped jobs over seas are PUB, you know. You might look into MICROSOFT--and where a lot of THEIR products/components are built?

As to why Romney has his money overseas? I'd guess that the banks he has it in are paying more interest than American banks can, since the Fed has the interest rates at 'piggy bank' rates.

Romney's vision for fixing the economy is the same vision he used at Bain Capital and the Olympics.

In the case of the Olympics Romney saved it by getting the federal government to pony up the funds to pull it out of bankruptcy, he did not do this just to be an altruist, he was paid handsomely for it by you and me.

At Bain Mr. Romney went to distressed companies and had the companies borrow against their employees retirement plans, they turned that money over to Bain and put Bain in charge. Bain executives found ways to eliminate staff and cheapen the products, union contracts were busted or renegotiated and surviving staff were forced to take pay cuts. The money that Bain collected from the companies was invested in company stocks temporarily inflating the value of the company, Bain collected dividends and Brokerage fees in every transaction. Other investors seeing the stock price rise on the previously troubled companies were eager to buy stocks at a higher price and Bain was eager to sell those stocks at a higher price. A large percentage of Bain controlled companies found that they could make the products in other countries at tremendous savings since foreign workers could be paid less and there was no requirement to provide health care or sanitary (safe) working environments. The only money paid back to the employee retirement funds was paid back by the federal government which only insures 40% of vested retirement savings so workers were not only discharged but they also found that 60% of their retirement savings were gone. So before anybody starts saying we should not take more money from the Romney's of America because they are the job creators you might just want to do a little investigation of the facts. Romney got wealthy by taking money from other people's pensions, then he exported their jobs overseas and left them to eat Cat Food while he ate Pate.

When we tax more on those who sweat and bleed for their money than we do for those who profit by increasing the price of the commodities that everyone uses we dis-incentivize job creation.

Why pay a higher tax rate for money made from the creation of products and services, why pay payroll taxes, why pay for manufacturing equipment, why pay salaries, why pay payroll taxes? The wealthy can get wealthier by purchasing futures in petroleum which raises the consumer price of gasoline and everything that requires gasoline to be harvested or shipped.

Lower tax rates on investment income (or as Romney proposes zero tax on investment income) is a fools errand, it's great if you have hundreds of millions available to you but... not so much if you have less. The economy is at a tipping point, the percentage of wealth controlled by the very few is being used to the detriment of the economy.

The Auto Bailout and subsequent Quantitative easing are the only reasons that the United States is not in the throes of a depression. Turning the wealthy into a Royal Class not responsible to pay taxes will only benefit the very wealthy and you cannot have a Royal Class without a substantially larger Serf Class.

Class Warfare, yes it does exist but those who scream the loudest about it are those who are perpetrating it and most people are too foolish to do their own research so they vote against their own best interests, their own survival.

I do a lot of research, I follow the news very closely and I trust very little of what I hear without doing my own research. These are my (informed) opinions, stick your head in the sand so that you wont have to see or hear the truth if that's how you feel about it, vote for Mitt and watch the economy die!

The Democrats have not passed any of the Republican "Jobs Bills" for the simple fact that they are counter productive, the Republicans do not want to see Obama succeed since it would prove to even the most thick headed that the Republican policies are the reason for the mess we are in today.

I have simplified my argument and condensed several of the facts simply because the people posting here who I am reaching out to need it that way.

Do not be fooled by smoke and mirrors, Do your own research.

Post your hate mail to me here, I appreciate the humor.

Sheepdog, rather than running off at the mouth trying to say something, why not give us a list of all those companies Bain capital stripped vs saved?

Like MOmaid says, private equity steps in to try and save a company (or some of its parts) that is already FAILING.

Great post, you will only receive hate mail from people who hate the truth.

Romneys plan...

At Bain Mr. Romney went to distressed companies

The operative word there is DISTRESSED, perhaps you would have been happier if they just failed with company assets, including pension plans used to pay off the creditors?

As for class warfare, obama is using it to garner votes. After all, what individual wouldn't want someone else to pay the bills? Why is it that obama isn't telling us that just taxing the wealthy more isn't going to effectively minimize our public debt? Even obamas supporter warren buffet says it won't.

The Democrats have not passed any of the Republican "Jobs Bills" for the simple fact that they are counter productive,

In all of your research where did anyone claim that those bills needed to be passed as written? Perhaps you need to review the constitutional powers of the US house and senate and how a bill becomes a law. BTW - why can't the senate come up with a budget plan if they don't like the houses?

Wealth has always been controlled by a minority. Combine everyones assets and then distribute equally, within a few years a minority will once again controll the majority of wealth. May not be the same minority... but minority controlled none the less. Just look at the failure rate of startups, about 80% fail in the first 18 months.

Now if you want to talk tax reform ala 1986 fine. Curious on how obama doesn't want it, but ryan has proposed it in 2011 and 2012. BTW - since the ryan plan has been published you can naturally cite by page & paragraph any tax cuts proposed that exclude any particular income group.

Romney got wealthy by taking money from other people's pensions, then he exported their jobs overseas and left them to eat Cat Food while he ate Pate.

LOL, you say you did the research, why didn't you cite any credible links other than blogs or op-eds?

Interesting on how ford chose not to partake in the bailout, but both chrysler and GM still filed bankruptcy. Of course, with government backing why wouldn't they? The bad thing about the GM deal is that obama and company made the wrong decision in securing the taxpayer money with GM stock. How many years until GM stock increases in value enough to just break even, let alone pay any interest for the loan?

When we tax more on those who sweat and bleed for their money than we do for those who profit by increasing the price of the commodities that everyone uses we dis-incentivize job creation

Not very good at connecting dots are you? Why is it that the republicans are talking tax reform and tax cuts while obama talks about increasing taxes only on the wealth? To bad your research didn't include the 1986 tax reform act or even that the bush tax cuts were cuts made accross the board.

Interesting on how you make the assumption that commodities are controlled by the wealthy, rather than supply and demand and which are now global in nature. Lets just look at oil. In 2008 obama chastised bush2 for high fuel pump prices, in 2011 he said he was having high prices investigated, in 2012 he was giung to investigate them again. I find it interesting that oil prices don't radically change when futures come due. Really says something about the affects of speculation doesn't it? BTW - oil is traded globally and in US dollars, obama thinks he can controll the world markets? LMAO!

We need tax reform as well as smarter (re: less) government spending.

One thing for sure is that with a continuation of obamas policies, our economy will tank within many of our lifetimes. If not within the near term aka jan 2013.

American, no private equity steps in and sucks the companies dry as was explained in the post you responded to.

I work for a company getting sucked dry right now. The company went into bankruptcy in 2005, got out by private equity investment in 2006. They are promised x amount of money a year and they don't care how they get it. My office is down to half the staff that we had in October 2011. and it is like that in all branches in 5 states, yet still expected to the same amount of work. It's a viscous cycle. We don't have enough staff so we lose customers because we can't service them or we lose them because our price is too high another thing to make money for the investors. Then we have less customers so they think we need less staff and the entire cycle begins again. This is all to make sure the investors get what they were promised.

We do not need a business man as president. Business men only think about making money-that is their only goal. The Unites States is not a business. It has other goals, and it should!

Andie469 - Your point?

You would rather of had the private equity company not try to save the company you worked for? That company investors shouldn't expect a return?

You also made no mention on what terms the private equity made for your company to get the bailout and if your company followed the conditions agreed to.

I won't deny that some private equity companies will only look for a company not worth saving other than to sell off its assets, but the same holds true for companies being turned around by private equity. Loook at eastman kodaks bankruptcy. Seems that no one wants to step in to save it, but are merely waiting for the bankruptcy to free up their patent portfolio for a price that doesn't include other kodak assets.

I can understand your argument about government not being run as a profit producing business.

However, a business also runs on maintaining a balance between revenue and expenses for sustainability. This is something that politicians on both sides of the aisle have yet to embrace. Btw - at the federal level, having a balanced budget amendment is not the answer.

Having someone with firsthand business experience as well as successfully working with the legislative branches of a state government is a bad thing?

Romney wrote up a long wish list of what he would like to accomplish, I doubt he will come close to accomplishing it but if he can get congress to work together and move forward he will be worth electing. If not there will be 2016.

American and others-look at kingofbain.com and look up Ampad. Romney didn't just destroy American Companies but his actions destroyed the families of American Workers and the communities they lived in. I find it amazing that the Republicans would even consider running this corporate raider knowing his record.

This is proof that the Corporations control the Republican Party and explains Mitt's Iowa statement-"Corporations are people, my friend"

realist pondering:

You are RIGHT! These FAILING companies should have just closed their doors! Then, instead of 50 (SWAG) people losing their jobs there would have been 100 and the END of the company.

If it was a relatively large company it was controlled by a board of directors. They didn't have to take the money! They, along with the investors, saw a "light at the end of the tunnel" and took a gamble.

The KEY point is: Continuing doing business using the same method meant the END of the BUSINESS and loss of ALL jobs. If the company was doing well and just needed some "short term" cash they could have borrowed it from a BANK AND PAID INTEREST on it! These companies WERE NOT doing well and the "Price of Money" is much higher. However, someone was willing to RISK their MONEY to try and turn the company around!

In the above case, instead of being happy that he still had a job he is complaining that he has to work HARDER! I didn't see where he said he QUIT and moved to a better run company. Nope! Still there drawing a paycheck! As the old saying goes, "If you aren't part of the SOLUTION you ARE part of the PROBLEM!"

Since corporations are people too now, does that make Romney a murderer?

bosslimo - Yes, within the context of a business going completely out of business, only if you can prove it was romneys intent for the business to fail without offerring a plan of redemption. Unfortunatley for you, there is no legal discription defining this as a crime.

See how that works? As CEO of bain the buck stopped with him. Did he man up and say that bain made an investment mistake or did he run around making excuses? You know, rather like obama does as he runs off at the mouth on blaming the wealthy, business and the right for obamas own ineffectiveness.

Realist pondering - I will counter with Staples and their resurrection.

I will agree with PappaDave that you imply that a troubled business should just die and go away, along with their employees. That is what you seem to be saying isn't it?

Why not tell us about all those corporations and executives that are contributing/supporting obama? Bet the middle class, elderly and poor are just lining up for obamas $35,000/plate fundraisers, right?

american-2051576

Really? The concept that a venture capitalist can be classified as a murderer doesn't strike you as, well... obsurd?

The idea that there are "people" in this world that you can not see, can not touch, can not feel, can not hold a conversation with, can not socialize with, and can not ask them for help doesn't in the slightest seem preposterous?

The very concept of naming a business the title of personhood doesn't smell fishy at all?

Just where does this concept end? Parks would be considered "people" as it fits the same criteria. Ballgames of any sort would instead be called "people". Same with any gathering of more than one human. And as soon as everyone left the ballgame or park or party, they would be murderers.

Given the idea that corporations are people too, it leads us out of the realm of common sense and casts us directly in the midst of insanity.

Probably not what you want to hear, but yeah, I'm a lot better off. I've been better off every year since he go into office, but I don't think he deserves any credit. I think it's because I've been working my butt off and not blaming politicians. I expect to be even better off 4 years from now too, because I'm going to ignore all this crap and just keep working.

Rob you hit the nail on the head....i honestly feel that yes what goes on in DC affects us in the wallet but at the same time if we work our tails off and tell them that we do not need them in every part of our life and with a little hard work success can be obtained...we use to be a country of risk taking entrepreneurs and i think we have gotten away from that which has hurt us in the long run

That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm working my tail off, taking risk in starting new small businesses, hiring people. Would love to have the wind at my back, so I hope someone gets elected the next time around who can diplomatically unite the government leadership at least some of the time. We don't all have to agree, but we do all have to find a way to make things work.

Rob i wish you all the best in you future - i hope who ever wins quits the division and just gets over themselves and do what is right..are they trying to win for their own good or ours?

I hope someone gets elected the next time around who can diplomatically unite the government leadership at least some of the time.

Rob -

You know damn well that's not the case. From the minute he stepped into office the Republicans were dead on not doing anything, except to obstruct and block his every move. They have no choice though. The Koch's and the Norquist's are the one's that are really calling the shots.

Obama/Biden - 2012

No, I really think that's the case GT. It's clear that the Republicans were dead set against him - but that's the point. That's where he failed. I think a leader more skilled at diplomacy would have been able to unify a bit more. I don't blame him for much other than that.

Having everyone agree is a fantasy. Getting people to work together in spite of the differences is what a great leader does.

Rob - I think its more like a lack of diplomacy from the GOP side of the aisle. In fact, their plain beligerent toward any "decent" compromise.

I am way better off my retirement portfolio dropped $480,000 at the end of Bush's term, I gained all that back in the first year of Obama's term, for the last two years my funds having been doing quite well. Republicans spell financial disaster for guys like me, besides that why would I want to join their little women haters club.

Friends don't let friends vote republican, it's too much like letting a drunk drive.

Friends don't let friends vote republican

Forrest -That would make a great bumper sticker..

My retirement did the same thing..

Geez Rob republicans turned their backs on their own proposals when they were incorporated and submitted in bills by democrats and Obama. They act like two year olds that just learned the word no. Furthermore because of statements by the highest leaders of the republican party, elected representatives of the USA immediately after the election saying that their top priority was to see the president fail, to make sure he is a one term president, to break him, this will be his Waterloo, ect, ect I will never in my lifetime ever vote for any republican for anything at the local, state, or federal level, never. Treasonous bastards, and not one republican in Congress had the balls to call out their leadership on that bullsh!t. I will punish every republican in every election with my vote, they earned it, as an American I owe them that.

You know Forrest that's not even fair. Treasonous basters? Can you honestly say that democrats are free of quilt?

Just look at the way you talk to others, sometimes its get down right hateful. I am sorry, but you're better then that. Our president has clearly taken a side, he makes that clear everyday with the attacks on Republicans, he should be better then that. After all, he is the President of the "United" States.

Hope all is well with you and the misses. Take care.

When Obama took office, gas was about $1.83 and do you know why? Bush's Great Recession was so deep that it caused the price of oil to drop dramatically due to low demand. What a way to keep the price of gas down !

Thetotas, no I never heard a democrat, who was an elected representative of the USA proudly and publicly say they wanted Bush to fail, that their main goal was to insure that he was a one term president. No I never heard that. I heard republicans say that it was un-American to criticize Bush as he was a war time president, and that criticizing him would embolden our enemies and cost American serviceman their lives, what the hell happened to that idea and those phony republicans that said that, right after the election. How about you announce at work that your main priority is to see your boss loose his job, how do you think that would work out. I really believe it is damn near treason and any member of the military throughout our history could be court marshaled for less. These are elected representatives of our government if the president fails the USA suffers, it's not right, there is no justification for it, and I would never tolerate that crap from anybody in my crew. They don't have to like the boss buy they damn well owe him an honest days work for an honest days pay. These guys are supposed to work and serve the best interests of the USA, they did not, they totally disrespect the highest office of the government they are supposed to represent. If any republican would have called them out I would have respect for that, but they did not, so I will never support any republican, fair or not that's the way it is, they can thank Boehner, McConnell and DeMint for that and the rest of their wussie Congressmen for not standing up for what is only right. Like I said I am their union rep and I would not tolerate that kind of rookie crap from my crew towards the employer, professionals don't operate in that fashion, professionals do their job to best of their ability, regardless of their personal feelings toward the boss. The president acted as a professional and for a good long while too long in my opinion, he afforded them every opportunity for compromise, I respect him for finally firing back at them what choice was left to him. I would have invited them outside for a chance to whip my ass, I guess that is why I am not a politician, I don't tolerate rookie crap very well from people who are paid to be professionals. Certainly not from the 3rd or 4th highest offices in a nation at war faced with a huge economic problem caused by their very own failed president and policies. It's just not right, and I would take an ass beating before I went along with that kind of rookie crap, so I sure won't vote for more of it. I'm sorry if I am offensive sometimes thetotas, I try to mind my manners, but I'm no choirboy, and I have been in a business for many years that if push comes to shove my job is to get right in the middle of it.

Paul L.-if Republicans would have been in full power the fellow at the grocery store would have been out of unemployment months before and it would have been his fault. The "job creators" would have had more and bigger tax cuts and he would still be unemployed and looked down upon by the republicans as a loser.

Maybe the corporate raider that caused him to be unemployed was Bain Capital and your man Mitt. Maybe he can borrow $20,000 from his parents or sell one of his wife's Cadillacs. Silly? It's how Mitt thinks.

One party cares about his situation and one blames him for it. Which are you?

Forrest...

You gave me quite a chuckle about rookies. Just what positions of leadership did the jr senator from illinois bring to the table in 2008 other than rhetoric? Surely you don't expect us to be persuaded that obamas on the job training miscarries should be acceptable? After all you said you don't...

I found it interesting that in the 2010 year end summary by the Mclaughlin group it was mentioned that obama ignored rahm emmanuals advice on getting an effective healthcare package passed. Yet obama seems to want to continue to ignore advice from others or at the very least understand that advice.

Sidebar - While not a big fan of emmanual my esteem for him has gone up in the past weeks just by his mayoral group discussions hosted by charlie rose on education. The biggest takeaway from the hour show was that the mayors had a plan and then implimented the plan allowing for changes along the way. Guess what? None of the mayors said more money was the solution. Why does obama? Can't he work smarter or at least as smart as mayors?

BTW - I have no problem with voting split ticket, but I see you do... Lotsa luck...

Thanks for responding. I see things differently for sure. You might have a President, but I don't. He makes that clear with every speech he gives. Divide and conquer should be his next catchphrase.

As always, wishing you and your family well.

Republicans are the divisive ones, you can tell that by Romney's huge disadvantage with many demographic groups. The ones that actually do the dividing lose the support, not the guy that simply speaks the truth about it.

My family is well enough, thank you for asking, and I hope you and yours are doing fine Thetotas.

American do not try to put words in my mouth, I did not mention anything about Obama's positions of leadership in my entire post, if you actually read it. My entire post was about the lack of leadership on the part of republicans and despite some of them being in elected positions for years, their childish, selfish, and generally despicable behavior in blatantly denigrating a presidency from day one, instead of any honest attempt to move this nation forward in any manner. I have lost all respect for the republican party, and voting a straight democratic ticket will work out just fine for me and my conscious, on a personal, professional, and patriotic level, thank you.

Those are all wonderful goals - the only problem is that Romney has no plan or competence to deal with any of them. And if you want gas to go below $3 we should have another recession. The only reason gas was $1.83 when Obama took office is that Bush's Great Recession was so severe that it crushed demand and therefore the price of oil. "House prices going up"? Romney plan is to let them fall further so we can have even more people underwater with their mortgages. "Business's feeling confident" - they must not be feeling too insecure with record profits and a stock market that's doubled since March, 2009. Business's main problem now is lack of demand, not insecurity. Why bother hiring when demand is low and greater productivity has reduced the need for so many employees.

Jax-Obama got Osama.........Osama is dead and GM is alive....Turn Out in '12

You know that is more than W. accomplished in 8 years. Obama 2012

Jax A

You haven't learned anything from history. We've been there, done that. It FAILED on a GLOBAL level.

Obama/Biden 2012... because we have to fix the nation before republicans can trash it again.

Art - kind of like obamas 2008 plan of hope and change? At least one can point to romneys 100 + written idea plan. Even if many points are unrealistic it beats the heck out of obamas continuing rhetoric.

Realist - so invading the sovereign airspace of an ally to carry out an assassination is a policy we, as a nation supposedly living by the rule of law, wants to promote?

Securing taxpayer $$$ with GM stock was not a great idea. How many decades will the taxpayers have to wait just to break even, let alone pay interest?

Bosslimo - LOL! You didn't read jax a's itemized list at all did you??

Because their was no 8 Year debacle. You want everyone to ignore 7.5 years of Bush's Presidency and only focus on the last six months when the 2008 economic collapse started.

A collapse that was caused by the "deregulation " that you like to blame on Republicans, that was actually done in the Gramm-Leach-Blily act, signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1999 and passed 90-8 in the Senate and 362-57 in the House before Bush was even the President.

You scream about Bush's unfunded 2 wars but neglect to mention that its Congress that controls the Purse strings and the Democrats controlled the House and Senate from 2006 to 2011. If the Wars were "Off the Books" Its because the Democrats kept them off the Books for 4 years.

What debacle of 8 years?

The last 3 1/2 year were horrible. Nothing but Obama whining, inciting class warfare, increasing entitlements, raising taxes, neglecting the debt ceiling- till we had our first downgrade in history...high unemployment....the list goes on.

Hardly anything that anyone would hang their hat on. All Obama has is hot air and promises. That should have been his campaign slogan "Hot Air and Promises".

They always mention the Gramm-Leach-Blily act being signed into law by Clinton. Never do they mention it was written paid for and pushed through congress by republicans (thats why its not called the Clinton act genius).

Just keep on blamin...

Repubs have amnesia when they try to remember anything before January, 2009. This affliction could be called "repnesia".

Just to show what a joke Romney really is, did you know that his foreign policy team contains 37 holdovers from the Bush campaign. Yeah, that crack team of geniuses. There is also Michael Chertoff. Yeah, that guy from the Katrina mess. If you don't believe me, I'll give you the link to the article. Romney has no plan. He is a wealthy, ultra-ambitious, puppet.

Why do you think idiots like Karl Rove, etc. are lining up to back him? Because they love him? No, it's because they know a stooge when they see one. Mitt will get exposed in this election. He is not running against Gingrich and Santorum anymore. There's a reason he has lost just about every election he has ever competed in. Also, let's remember his one term as Governor in MA is best remembered for being ranked 47th out 50 in job creation, and Romneycare. Some legacy. You don't hear him talk about his one experience of actual governing much. It's all about his Bain time. And thanks to Newt, we know a lot more about that now.

No recession = No Romney.

um actually with politics you have a prity big lag time between what is put into congress and the presidency and what comes out unless there is an emergency of epic proportions and so if you look at a presidency it is the previous term that dictates what is happening now on main street ... with a few exceptions .... obama is not a white Lilly ... bush was an idiot or just a mouth piece for big oil .... Romney is a corporate stooge all 3 are problems .... obama is the least problem .... i would vote for unbacked independents that have no ties if i could at least they wouldn't be presold to some big money .... but getting money out of politics will make A LOT of cry baby rich and banks lose their $hit.

I was at VCU in Richmond today. Every seat was filled. I have less money and am in personally more of a precarious financial situation. But the country is better off that it would have been had we not had the benefit of President Obama's decisive lead. 4 more years. Moving forward, not backward.

At least you admit to wanting to be in a worse position than 4 years ago.

Kudos! Set that bar nice and low, that way, you'll never be disappointed.

We can easily talk the 8 years of Bush because Romney is bringing all of that back. 37 Bush holdovers on his foreign policy team. Yeah, that is moving forward. With stooges from the worst presidential administration ever. So, I guess we can look forward to not catching any terrorists again, torture and starting another war. Oh, and let's add some more tax cuts to further explode the debt. And please do not try that "trickle-down" crap.

I set my bar very high. I want the debt reduced, tax reformed in a way that benefits everyone, no more stupid wars, terrorists actually caught and killed. No more torture and immigration reformed. Oh, and someone I can trust in the WH. Not a stooge. Romney does not match up on any of those. Obviously you do not feel the same. Good luck to you.

Are we better off than we were 3.5 years ago. Absolutely, this country was on the verge then of dropping a whopping 750K jobs in one month as a result of a global financial system that was unraveling.

Jax-It looks like the Republican War on Women is having a definite impact. Gayle will back President Obama to the election.

Thanks to Failed Governor Scott Walker in Wisconsin for his law denying women equal pay and Gov. Jan Brewer for Arizona's law taking low income women's reproductive healthcare away plus Virginia's vaginal probe law- the Republican War on Women continues to widen Obama's lead over Romney with women.

Another example of revisionist history:

Think about it...November 2006 unemployement is 4.6% and the economy is fine. Bush loses both the House and Senate in the midterm and over the next 2 years, Jan 2007 - Jan 2009, the wheels fall of the US economy....with Democrats in charge of the House and Senate. Nevermind the next 3.5 years with Democrats in charge...

Having worked in Real Estate since 2004, and experienced the heights of the Real Estate bubble, I can tell you first-hand that the damage of the housing crisis started late 2005 and into 2006 while the Republicans controlled the Executive and Leigslative branches. The collapse of the housing market had a devastating effect on the construction industry and millions of jobs that are anscillary to these (manufacturers, vendors, consultants, etc...) and the families that rely on them.

I hold Democrats accountable for doing very little to help the housing industry while they were in power, but I do not blame them for the collapse of the housing market or the financial crisis that we suffered through.

Well, make sure to use your one vote Vinny as I am sure there will be many voters that will hold the Democrats responsibile for this economy...regardless of what you think.

Yeah, November 2006 unemployment at 4.6% and then January, 2009, the last month Bush was in office, the country dropped a whopping and unforgettable 750K jobs.

The last month Bush was President and after 2 years of Democrats in charge of the House and Sentate. You can't have it both ways...If Obama has failed because of Republicans owning the House for the past 2 years, you have to blame the economy on the Democrats who owned it for the entire collapse.

stuff-the voters who will not vote for Republicans in any numbers include:

1. Women

2. Hispanics

3. African Americans

4. Gays

It will be hard to win any election without these groups. Sorry. It's just math.

'realist' -

Well, I am one woman who did not vote for Obama the first time around and will not vote for him ever. I am not better off now than I was 4 years ago. My 401K still hasn't recovered, the shipyard where I work is closing (due to cuts in military spending - downsizing the Navy [this always seems to happen when democrats are in control of the purse strings so they can pay for their nanny-state programs]), and my daughter and her family moved back in with me as her husband has been unemployed for over 2 years (yes, he is one of the workers who has dropped off of the unemployment rolls and is no longer counted) and they could not afford to continue to pay rent on just her income.

There is absolutely no way I will vote for a Chicago crook. I grew up in Illinois. I've seen what the democrats do when in control.

Tammy-311614

So you have poor investments (you must because the stock market is at levels never seen in history), democrats somehow miraculously are able to cut military spending on their own, and democrats made your son-in-law into a leech, and you are losing a government job that's paid for by the American people while promoting republican ideas of decreasing the size of government. Then, you go on a rant about Chicago politics like there is no corruption in the republican party.

Has the thought occurred to you that, maybe, it isn't a democrat's fault your life sucks but the result of poor decision making on your part? Even still, if every problem I had was the direct result of a democrat, maybe I should vote for them instead of pissing them off. My "luck" might change :)

bosslimo - yep obama sure made some bad decisions...

Orienting the 2009 stimulas more for government worker support than private sector worker support. Funny on how it is the private sector that makes government jobs and programs work, not the other way around.

Ignoring his own debt commision.

Ignoring the senates refusal to have a budget plan and by default endorsing continuing resolutions.

Ignoring S&P's downgrade warning.

Ignoring the fact that the republicans had to create a 2011 FY budget when he and democrats wouldn't.

Ignoring the growing unsustainability of medicare, medicaid and SS, after all they won't fail during his term.

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Golly bosslimo, then you have the temerity to try slamming tammy and her family. So much for showing us what democrat compassion is all about. What will be your next excuse, bush did it?

There is in fact, absolutely no question that Mormons believe is Jesus. Why would the name of the church be "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" if they did not believe in Jesus? Please answer that truthfaker_57.

Besides that, I agree Laraine in that the GOP is short-sided, and forgets about the problems happening before 2008.

Oh no, I remember unemployment being 5% before 2008. I remember gas prices being under $3/gallon before 2008 and Obama saying our high gas prices of 2008 were because "we had an oilman in the White House."

I also remember Obama saying, in 2006:

"America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit."

...and then saying in 2011 that we had to raise the debt limit.

I also remember our national debt being LESS than our GDP.

But I'll play along... how far back should we remember? To 2000 when Clinton left the dot-com bubble bursting for Bush? Or is that too far? Should we go all the way back to George Washington to blame all previous presidents for Obama's failures? What's the limit, exactly, if Obama is never responsible for the economy?

No way - Mitt is it. Any idiot knows to jump off a drowning horse.

Obama out in 2012 ....

Save what's left of America ....

We cannot afford to change horses in mid-stream.

If your riding a horse in a stream maybe you should think about your choice in watercraft.

We cannot afford giving a chance to someone who has never held the position against one who is doing the job now.

We do it every 4 or 8 years so why shouldn't we do it now? Obama had Zero, Ziltch , Nada experience running anything and yo had no problem with him in 2008 so how could he be any more qualified now after 4 years of being a Senator and POTUS than Mitt Romney who was a governor for 4 years and worked in the Private sector for decades running big business's?

Mitt Romney will always have more experience than Obama even after Obama's 4 years of on the job training.

We cannot afford to let those that want to cut social services in favor of rewarding the already wealthy.

What you call "Social Services" are supposed to be "Safety Nets", a fall back system if something goes horribly wrong ina persons life, not a way of life for people to be irresponsible and avoid planning their future and saving for it. Sometimes you have to force the Baby off the teet or they will just keep sucking on it forever. In Nadya Sulemans case she needs 14 Teets.

We cannot afford to put in power someone with waffling abstractions instead of a decisive proven leader.

We have a decisive proven leader? Seriously?

Took 4 months to decide whether to send more troops to Afghanistan.

Didn't want to go into Libya, Went into Libya.

BP is in charge of the Oil 'spill, No wait were in charge, No wait the coast guard is on charge, Oh wait its a partnership.

First six months,Iran protesters wanted a truly Democratic election and were protesting eh fixed elections. The regime cracked down on them, arresting and executing them, etc. and Obama remained completely silent showing the New Iranian regime he is spineless and gave them the upper hand.

Syria, "Show some restraint when dealing with the Protesters".

Libya, going to Muslim Brother hood.

Egypt going to Muslim Brotherhood.

Afghanistan, Bends over and Kisses Karzais ass.

Xl Pipeline, forced to make a decision because Obama wanted to put it off until after the 2012 election so he didn't have to decide between pissing off the Enviromaniacs or the Unions.

The choice is clear: Someone that is a lifelong campaigner wannabe,

At least Obama is not a Wannabe. Campaigner is all he knows. It was those years of community organizing with Acorn learning the Saul Alinsky tactics that prepared him for that.

or someone that can continue pulling us out of the ditch that Party Boy Bush put is all in.

Dont yo mean Romney? I was so entertained when Obama "Slow Jammed" the news with Jimmy Fallon. How low can you take the Office of the President of the United States?

Maybe we should give Obama four more Years so we can find out.

He hasn't pulled us out of the ditch. 24 mil unemployed/underemployed and discouraged people in this country. These people can't afford another four years of wait and see if President Obama can pull it together.

Chuck H--they didn't exclude themselves from Obamacare. Congress and the administration will be selecting their insurance from the same choices that will be offered to the American public. I'm not sure which year this takes effect, but it's definitely part of the HCAA.

that is absolutley false united

United WE Stand is correct. Congress, the President and Federal employees will be able to select their insurance from the exchanges beginning in 2014. http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/

Some people are too stupid to understand the concept.

Chuck (and others who believe lawmakers are exempt)-

FactCheck.org found that this is not true, and is a "twisted claim based on misrepresentations of the House and Senate bills, neither of which exempts lawmakers." They found that this word/concept seemed to first appear in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece.

What are your sources?

In a word: WRONG

There was NO surplus!

Its okay, he doesnt understand or know about economics and how it works, he is probably too young to know history.

Its your job, stupid, not a president. I make more since last year due to the better job, not Obama. When will you get that through your hearing holes, prices increase but my job MORE than compensates for Obama screwing me.

In Clinton's best year the total debt obligation of the United States only increased by $18B. That's actually not too shabby when you look at where we are now, but the fact is THERE WAS NO SURPLUS EVER UNDER CLINTON.

T-No we don't.

We also do not want to give any more power or money to the corporations and the elite.

We don't want to make women second class citizens (See failed Gov. Scott Walker's law denying women equal pay or Jan Brewer's destruction of low income women's reproductive health care or Virginia's vaginal probe)

We don't want to give another republican any power that would allow them to start any more wars.

We don't want to take social freedoms back to 1890-What does Mitt think of gays?

We don't want our grandchildren (I have 7) to grow up thinking the rich are better than others or that the less fortunate deserve scorn instead of a helping hand.

We don't want Romney. He is a happy good family man who is clueless concerning the average American's plight. Most people don't have $20,000 laying around to loan their college graduate or do they have a free harvard education. He just doesn't get it.

Why do you think the sales of gun ownership has skyrocketed since he started more gun grabbing agenda? It is insane just to buy some ammo right now!!! People are buying up AR's like candy and you can bet the ammo of choice will be .308, 30-06 and 5.56 MM (NATO round used by our military primarily).

Almost forgot the hand gun ammo of choice: 9mm and .45

And bring about what Agenda????? George Bush administration agenda??? Mitt Romney agenda of what???? He knows how to downsize companies, restructure them and ship jobs to slave labor markets!!! If we're leaving an Obama agenda, what agenda are we switching to????? A purist free market, let business and corporations do whatever they want??? That agenda????????????????

Why vote for Obama whose record of accomplishments is zero, who did nothing as a U.S. Senator, and even less when he was a Senator here in Illinois? Obama, being a weak leader, allowed Pelosi and Reid to run wild and run up more debt than all previous President's combined, while blaming Bush, tidal waves, full moons, etc. all the while. Only losers vote for a know loser.

really would you like to pay may half of the TRILLONS he has spent!......becasue as a tax payer of this country I am tried of watching him put us deeper into debt...

Melvin, I think you should vote for Obama again. You are going to need him and his policies, obviously.

Obama, being a weak leader

Ralph -

I guess your opinion of a strong leader is one that fires his #1 foreign policy man because some Bible thumper told him too! Not to mention all of his other short comings.....

Secondly, We handed Obama a broom and dust and told him to clean up the mess that the Repub's left behind. A mess like that akes a long time to clean up, and he's doing a pretty good job getting it done.

Thirdly, He got "Bin Laden". Something Mittens never dreamed of.......

Obama/Biden - 2012

GT, by cleaning up the republican mess you mean like the unemployment rate of 5.2% under bush was cleaned up to 9.4% under obama, or are you talking about the national dept of 10 Trillion under bush and now over 15 Trillion and growing under obama? "He got Bin Laden" you got to be kidding. It was the Seals who got bin laden and not obama.

Here is the warning Obama needs to hear: Out in 2012

Ralph-Mr.-Tex-Obama got Osama...Osama is dead and GM is alive...Obama 2012

Those 2 accomplishments dwarf anything W. did in 8 years. Mitt wanted GM to go broke and Detroit/Michigan to lead us into the second great depression.

The choice is clear. ......Obama 2012......

Sorry you people voted for Obama ... you were duped.

Anything? Does that mean you will line up with Black Panthers (like they did in Philly, PA at voting areas), get more dead relatives to vote, recruit illegal's, hop on the voter registration bandwagon or demand his re-election by any other means? Shut up, stupid.

Realist, the TARP funds used to bail out GM was signed into law by bush and not obama. GM still owes the American People most of the money it loaned to them. It was bush who laid the ground work that eventually allowed the Seals to terminate osama; obama was just along for the ride. Great BS slogan tho.

Bob-the truth hurts..Obama got Osama and Bush had nothing to do with it.

Reminder, the severe recession since 2007 is called The Great Bush Depression.

Melvin Walker: No one is going to convince you otherwise, so vote for President Obama and let's have four (4) more years of we're waiting for the now 50 mil unemployed/underemployed and discouraged. But if you're working good for you and hope you're prepared for carrying the tax burden of those who don't and will never work again. Good luck with that.

really try reading up on both religions....what has Obama done to pull the economy out of this mess? spend more money then any other president....this whole thing is a joke...here's an idea....Mr. Obama try keeping the promises you made the first time around!

Truthfaker_57. You have shown all here that you know nothing about Mormons, nor Islam.

Mormonism is based on the stories from a 12 yrs boy in 1820 I believe. The garden of eden is in MO....The Devil and God were brothers from a distant planet.

Dont forget the Golden Tablets were translated with special glasses looking through the bottom of a hat! LOL

The one question that often comes up; Are you better off today than you were when Obama 1st elected?

For me, my employment record goes as follows;

President record

Bush 1 laid off 1 time 3 months unemployed

Clinton laid off 1 time, back to work next day

Bush 2 laid off 5 times, 2.5 years unemployed total during 8 years

Obama fully employed so far

Also have done better in the stock market during the Obama years than during Bush 2.

Obama 2012!

That's easy, he's going to continue his restructuring policies that sent millions of jobs to slave labor markets with companies, the global economy is going to get so bad that U.S companies will look at the U.S. and think, I think we should set up shop back in the U.S again. That's his policy, that I made up since I have yet to hear him articulate anything yet.

Funny you malign FDR. My grandparents and their contemporaries had photos of Roosevelt on their living room walls. I wonder why they would honor an anti-American like that?

Both parties, I get the impression you are embarrassed by the republicans and too arrogant to say you would vote for a democratic President. So sad for you.

Obama/Biden 2012 Forward !

ObamaCares beats the hell out of Idon'tCare!

I know right? Thats why we put him on the dime; because he was such a horrible president.

Misfit Mitt will never get my vote! President Obama all the way!