Creating 500,000 jobs in a single month has only happened 4 times in our history.

Shhh. You're not supposed to ask Romney 'How?' on anything. Like;

How are you going to create 500,000 jobs/month?

How are you going to lower taxes and grow the government simultaneously?

How are you going to pay for your war with Iran?

How are you going to pay back the wars with Iraq and Afghanistan?

How do you intend on shrinking government, but claim to want to grow the military?

How do you intend on shrinking government when you try to dictate sexcapades of Americans?

How How How?

Etcetera.

He doesn't know 'how'...he's going to pray to White Jesus for it and hope it comes to pass.

500,000 new jobs a month?

Why not 750,000 or 1 million? I mean, if your going to come up with unrealistic numbers, why not dream really big?

Hey Rocky! Watch me pull 500,000 jobs a month out of my ass...

Aaaay Mitt light up another one...

Talk about over promising and...

Don't know Feisty, how do you think Biden thought he was going to do it?

From the Washington Post April 23, 2010:

Biden predicts economy will create up to 500,000 jobs a month soon

By Garance Franke-Ruta and Frank Ahrens

Vice President Biden predicted Friday at a Pennsylvania fundraiser that the U.S. economy would be adding up to 500,000 jobs each month "some time in the next couple of months."

Well 4% unemployment is more realistic than the 3% Ryan counts on to make his budget work.

Both are unrealistic in the short term.

Aaaay Mitt light up another one...

From the sounds of Snuffy - Willard has already passed it to her! lmao

*puff puff pass*

Doing these things will make the 500,000 job growth per month and a 4% unemployment rate a real possibility.

Talk about an RNC regurgitated talking point hot mess!

Hide your Skittles! ;o)

Willard is so full of crap. However, he is pretty good at creating jobs overseas.

Wonder what Obama/Biden were smoking back in the Spring of 2010?

One thing Romney won't do will be critical of the businesses that create the jobs.

More like cremate them...

Is this mythical formula coming from the same party who is bent on shrinking government? How does he plan to shrink the size of government, have no ability to control private business and still add an unrealistic 1/2 million jobs a month?

Being ill of late I'd like to be drinking whatever magical elixir Romney has been ingesting. It must have magical powers if he actually thinks anyone would believe this nonsense.

WCA,

Great point! And way to show that Romney can credibly stack up for the position of VICE President, where you can say stupid sh** and get away with it.

Unfortunately for him, that's not who he's running against.

Being ill of late

Oh dear!

I do not like the sound of that! Hope you are on the mend!

Other than voter suppression and making laws to keep a women from accessing her constitutions rights just what have the republicans done for us?

Republicans want to take over America like they have Mississippi. Even though the Mississippi voters voted the person-hood bill down by double digits, the republican state government stands poised to close the last abortion clinic in Mississippi.

Oh that's right they have been passing gun laws to make America like the old west where gun battles could happen any minutes. And as long as your claim self-defense you get to walk after killing someone.

Very much unlike the laws the republicans want to pass for women. For women with their new person-hood amendment if you have a miscarriage it is a murder investigation.

Republicans want you to get in less trouble if you go out and find someone to kill with your gun as long as you say you felt threatened.

You have to be nuts if you trust the republicans to do anything other than destroy America for Romney and his rich friends. Check out the Ryan budget if you doubt what I say.

VOTE FOR AMERICA'S FREEDOM...VOTE FOR A BLUE, BLUE CONGRESS

Here's another little tidbit to snack on.

When Willard left the Governors mansion in MA, his state was ranked 47th in

J-O-B growth!

I believe we are entitled to hear what his new & improved plans are to add 500,000 per month!

I'm not trying to nitpick here, but there were only two quotes attributed to Romney in this article:

"We should be seeing numbers in the 500,000 jobs created-per-month. This is way, way, way off from what should happen in a normal recovery," Romney said this morning on Fox News.

At an afternoon event in Pittsburgh, Romney said of the news that the unemployment rate had fallen to 8.1 percent: "Normally, that would be cause for celebration, but anything near 8 percent or over 4 percent is not cause for celebration."

I don't know if I am missing other quotes from him that didn't make the article, but it doesn't sound like he is pledging to create 500k jobs per month if he's president. Sounds like he is saying that in a typical economic recovery after a severe recession we would expect job growth in the 500,000 range.

(If I'm missing something, please let me know because I have only read this article).

As for his other quote about not celebrating something near 8%, I agree...it still needs to come down. However, saying anything over 4% isn't worth celebrating isn't exactly the smartest statement. I think most people would be willing to celebrate that.

But again, and it's just my interpretation, I didn't take these quotes as campaign pledges.

Happy Friday all!!

TO: Dennis, Columbus, Ohio who wrote:

"Creating 500,000 jobs in a single month..."

Romney must mean he's going to "create 500,000 jobs a month" in China, because when Romney was Governor of Massachusetts Romney came in 47th (out of 50) in job growth!

Romney is "fakin' like he's bakin.'" Romney will say ANYTHING to get elected.

Obama / Biden 2012

Americans First said: VOTE FOR AMERICA'S FREEDOM...VOTE FOR A BLUE, BLUE CONGRESS

Yeah, that worked out real well for us in 2006. 15 months after the blue blue congress was in place, the economy came crashing to the ground. The housing sector and the banking sector were under democrat control and they BOTH failed at the same time because of some $5 trillion worth of toxic loans being dumped into the economy. Yeah Americans First, worked real well for us in the past so I guess it's time to really destroy this nation, right?

nomoresameo, hope you're feeling better but I'd stay away from any Mitt Elixir.

I keep wondering when Mitt Romney will release his "secret plan" so we'll know exactly how he will achieve his pipe dream. If it is more tax cuts for the wealthy (it is), how'd that work out for Dubya?

When VP Biden said that, there was a lot of indicators pointing to positive economic news and it was prior to Nov 2010 when the Tea Party took over the House promising to create jobs, jobs and more jobs (but instead immediately began passing anti-women legislation, naming a post office now and then, nearly shutting down the government a few times, nearly defaulting on the debt and causing a credit downgrade--good job, GOPers). We already had GOP Senators filibustering everything including their own sponsored legislation.

Had the GOP actually participated in governing from Jan 2009 through now, we might have had a couple months of 500,000 jobs created. The reason it didn't happen even for a couple months was the GOP austerity plan--we cut spending, we cut money to states and thus cut pubic sector jobs removing money and people from the economy ultimately reversing the positives.

winemaker-4308406

You connected the dots there Michael 1969! Yep, she's a rocket scientist alright, who really needs to add more bottle red to the head

Embarassing isn't the issue, it's the money she makes from MSNBC to be an agitator, like the community agitator guy she represents.

Willard represenets the communties he forclosed on and the jobs he sent offshore. I think it's funny right wing nut jobs complain daily; but don't say a peep about the lies FOX NOISE & the GOP/Tea Baggers tell.

FYI: Micheal can't connect dots he has a mental condition affecting his brain which causes him to forget.

@brianblotanumbers who said:

"$5 trillion worth of toxic loans being dumped into the economy. Yeah Americans First, worked real well for us in the past so I guess it's time to really destroy this nation, right?"

And do tell oh bright one...Just who was primarily responsible for the rule changes that created those toxic assets? Could be SATAN?:

You know those new financial products like:

Variable Rate Mortgages.

Collateralized Debt Obligations.

Credit Default Swaps.

And a whole host of other complex "financial products."

Comon now you can do it!

TO: Michael1969 who wrote:

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

How is Willard going to accomplish this fantasy?

Simple ~ Do EXACTLY the opposite that the Socialist-In-Chief is currently doing.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So, you mean, go back to doing what Republcians did before that was so wrongheaded and stupid that Republicans took down the entire United States Economy!

Republicans = Consistently wrong on every issue.

Obama / Biden 2012

So, you mean, go back to doing what Republcians did before that was so wrongheaded and stupid that Republicans took down the entire United States Economy!

Ummm... roger that American Girl!

They have to finish what they started...

The REAL question, Mr. Romney, is what color will the unicorns be under your administration?

no, really Michael, how is he going to create 500,000 jobs. Is he going to hire more federal employees? is he going to contract out construction work for federal infrastructure? Is he going to force private companies to hire?

Don't give me the old song and dance about "removing regulations will entice companies to hire". Tell me an actual plan

Tell me an actual plan

Don't hold you breath Lori, Michael never answers with anything above an insult or anything more than Fox Facts...

The GNOP Grand Plan - Go to war....cut taxes and they'll P** on you so it trickles down!.......

(and keep the war off the books)...

Michael,

all propaganda, still no plan. He made the statement, now put up or shut up.

Oh and Michael,

I have continous employment for 30 years, own my house outright, paid my fed taxes.....and I'm a Liberal(you know, lazy, waiting for a handout, yadda yadda

Brianb-999431

Americans First said: VOTE FOR AMERICA'S FREEDOM...VOTE FOR A BLUE, BLUE CONGRESS

Yeah, that worked out real well for us in 2006. 15 months after the blue blue congress was in place, the economy came crashing to the ground. The housing sector and the banking sector were under democrat control and they BOTH failed at the same time because of some $5 trillion worth of toxic loans being dumped into the economy. Yeah Americans First, worked real well for us in the past so I guess it's time to really destroy this nation, right

------------------------

You do realize that happened because the private mortgage industryw as de-regulated in 2003, don't you?

Don't know Feisty, how do you think Biden thought he was going to do it?

The more accurate quote (we know how the right love to bend facts):

he said at a Pennsylvania fundraiser, according to a pool report. "Well, I'm here to tell you, some time in the next couple of months, we're going to be creating between 250,000 jobs a month and 500,000 jobs a month.

Most forecasters had expected about 200,000 jobs to be created in March. Instead, 162,000 jobs were created on non-farm payrolls -- the biggest one-month gain in three years but below what economists were predicting. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/23/AR2010042305165.html

Of course, without the now widely published GOP/TP obstructionism in place, we would likely have achieved those goals by simply doubling down on Stimulus 2. Of course, the GOP/TP quashed any and all efforts to improve the economy and unemployment.

That is what you get when you vote in a party that is willing to destroy livelihood of Americans just to bring down a presidency. Thank you GOP/TP, you apparently weren't happy with the stand-up job you did by blowing up the housing market, stock market, and employment sectors, so you doubled down again in 2010 to wreak further havoc. Fortunately, we continue to stubbornly recover in spite of your best efforts to enact "DieHard America 2".

Michael dude,

read my above post. I am employed. You've really got to try a little harder. Try an original thought

Feisty - according to Michael if you don't agree with him you don't have a job and are being supported by the government. He's whined that so much my guess is he doesn't have a job and is being supported by the government. He clearly doesn't understand that most of us work for a living. That is beyond his mental capacity.

Romney just throws out figures, knowing the far right who are unintelligent will grab onto them and say "oh look what Mitt will do." They don't ask for a plan; don't want to know anything - just run around in circles spouting the figures which have nothing behind them - just like Mitt.

What a buffoon and how pathetic do you have to be to go trumpeting his nonsense?

Still no sanity to be found in the GOP and it shows!

Obama/Biden 2012

Seeing that unemployment has only been at or below 4.0% for 12 non-consecutive months since 1970, that's a tad unrealistic, wouldn't you say? http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

And statements like this:
"Great numbers on the unemployment rate, but how does the Dept. of Labor Statistics count the nunbers? Apparently any way the President wants them to" really, really bug me. You do realize that the rates have been calculated EXACTLY the same way they've been calculated all along, right? That's how we can compare them to prior rates. They don't just change the formula when the WH changes parties. Seriously.

Torpedo You said - And do tell oh bright one...Just who was primarily responsible for the rule changes that created those toxic assets? Could be SATAN?:

How do the rules apply to dumping the toxic assets on the American public Torpedo you? It was the dems in charge of the housing sector and the banking sector. They did it to hide the fact that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were almost bankrupt. It boils down to the decisions made from those who were in charge... and it weren't republicans driving that bus.

Michael,

who said anything about being miserable, you're projecting. Just tired of Romney's obvious spinless saying whatever he thinks will get him some votes.

Lori W-2777522

Just tired of Romney's obvious spinless saying whatever he thinks will get him some votes.

LMAOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Wait, you mean like:

Hope & Change

Yes We Can! (maybe...lol)

Shovel Ready Jobs

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

Wind, Solar, Biodiesel

War on Women

Trayvon would look like my son (lmao!)

....and now, Forward

lol....yeah, Romney owns the bumper sticker BS

TO: Michael1969 who wrote:

...How utterly embarassing..."

There's nothing more embarassing than a brain-washed Republican repeating their mantras, their talking points and their hate speech.

Obama / Biden 2012

Dang Red Dev , it took all the way down the thread to blame the GOP for obstruction.

I knew I could count on someone to do it.

April 2010, a full 9 months before the GOP took over the House. You do understand the timeline, right?

Stimulus 2? Are you kidding? The Dems wouldn't have even passed that one.

Is your party really that weak?

BTW, I still haven't seen Feisty comment on how Biden was going to pull it off? He said IN A FEW MONTHS. What the hell happened?

... how do you think Biden thought he was going to do it?

From the Washington Post April 23, 2010:

Biden predicts economy will create up to 500,000 jobs a month soon

Biden has done it . . . in the alternative universe that he lives in.

The former Massachusetts governor said that an unemployment rate above 4 percent is unacceptable.

...says the guy who took Massachusetts from the top of the list for job growth and pushed it down to almost the very bottom.

Hey, Mitt, you had a unemployment rate of almost 5% in Mass and that was when THINGS WERE GOOD. Hypocrite!

Jody, Iowa

I keep wondering when Mitt Romney will release his "secret plan" so we'll know exactly how he will achieve his pipe dream. If it is more tax cuts for the wealthy (it is), how'd that work out for Dubya?

A "secret plan" like the one McCain had to bring bin Laden to justice?

Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA, and others are correct. If Romney has a plan, it will be going backward in time with failed voodoo economics on steroids.

Every time we see video of President Obama in his earlier life, he is impressive (serious, smart, well-spoken) and involved in public service. It is obvious the president has been interested in politics all his life. That's why there is a record of his positions on issues, for example the recent legalization of drugs debate.

Where is all this video of Romney throughout his life? Romney publishes a book in 2010, originally produced by a ghost writer, then written with the help of a research assistant. The main case made is neocon-type foreign policy, with economic arguments of improving education, manufacturing, etc.

Romney has failed the Commander in Chief test, with no apology we then look at his domestic policies. The Ryan Plan contradicts much of what Romney says in his book--and Romney's plan as well with exception of huge increases in defense spending. Otherwise, all we can go by is "actions speak louder than words."

Dubya at least was known for "stay the course" and not flip-floping on everything. And he was able to draw from the Bush dynasty, his experience as a son of a former president and all the connections there of. Romney not so much--he is only the businessman part of his father, not the politician part. (Remember the billboards with a photo of Reagan and the caption "Do you miss this guy yet? Dubya is starting to look good, that's how bad Romney is.)

Okay, Romney is not as bad as other "businessmen" candidates such as Herman Cain who obviously invested zero time learning about public policy, but Romney likewise shows not only lack of knowledge, but lack of interest in learning public policy. Romney just wants the title and power of POTUS, not necessarily the actual job description.

Yet another example of action speaks louder than words -- The most recent was the firing of a gay person on his staff after pressure from the religious-Right. Norquist, who is wrong on everything else, is right that Teapublicans just need a president with digits to hold a pen and sign what ever they tell him/her to sign.

The best endorsement Romney is getting is that he's not President Obama. Wow, and so wrong. Rightwingers who don't think this through and realize there is actually a choice worse than President Obama are off their rock. Romney would be incompetent.

Romney is a bit ambitions. 350,000 jobs/month and 5% unemployment is probably what you will see. I will say, if you going to set a goal, set it higher than you think you can get. Rarely do people exceed a goal, most often they finish just below the mark. The only way to assure getting what I'm saying is to set the goal higher so what is need is attained.

Lori W-2777522

Michael dude,

read my above post. I am employed. You've really got to try a little harder. Try an original thought

You are arguing with a person who thinks that the Congress is 2/3rds of our government....don't take him seriously because no one else here does.

Jody - I thought Romney's secret plan on helping the economy wasn't going to be available to us until he becomes POTUS. Oh well - I guess we will never know - kind of like when McCain said I know where Bin Ladin is located.

Obama/Biden 2012

TO: Dennis, Columbus, Ohio who wrote:

"Creating 500,000 jobs in a single month has only happened 4 times in our history."

And all 4 times it happened, Democrat Bill Clinton was our President!

Obama / Biden 2012

DrDrGimmetheNews -- Agreed. However, it is unfortunate that once people are no longer eligible for unemployment, they are no longer counted. With that said, the emergency extension has actually kept the unemployment count higher than normal.

But the really sad thing is it doesn't need to be this way at all. If government employment had not been cut, and instead was keeping pace with population growth, unemployment would be 7% right now.

The US is at least recovering slowly compared to Europe thanks to the stimulus, emergency extension of unemployment, and tax cuts for the middle class (including the payroll tax cuts) until things are more stable. However, we could be recovering much faster if Congress would have passed the Jobs Bill and would actually invest.

We are seeing the devastating effects of austerity ("starve the beast") right-wing ideology in Europe, with unemployment skyrocketing in countries like Greece. The book "End This Depression Now!" by Paul Krugman hits the nail on the head, but unfortunately we currently have gridlock in Washington thanks to the GOP plan of obstruction, and thanks to the Teapublican destruction at the state level across the nation.

TO: White Collar Auto who wrote:

"Dang Red Dev , it took all the way down the thread to blame the GOP for obstruction..."

Are you trying to deny that Republicans have been obstructing our recovery AND job growth ever since President Obama has been in office?

Would you like to try to deny that Republican Voters sent Tea Baggers to Washington for the specific purpose of blocking our recovery?

Go ahead, try to deny it so that Republicans can fill their "lie quota" for the day.

Obama / Biden 2012

Wow look at all these libs loving on each other .........It's a love fest !!!!

Lori W-2777522 -- Welcome to the thread. There are trolls, some of whom only "swoop and poop." They do not provide substance, credible data to support the substance, and they sure as heck don't have any original thought. This is the right-wing definition of "exceptionalism" per Robert Draper's Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives to obstruct, attack, and outright lie.

It's best not to feed trolls, and when applicable to report the post, especially if inflammatory, though part of the "strategery" is not only to disrupt but to collapse threads. Weird and creepy, because I have NO interest is going to Glenn Beck's/The Blaze for example and wasting my time "swooping and pooping" because it would just be adding poop to the steaming pile of conspiracy theories, nontroversies, and ignorance.

PValdes - Speaking of which, do not go back to the rightwing Echo Chamber and Cone of Silence of FOX Noise, Hate Radio, and chain Emails. Welcome to enlightenment.

The fact remains Bush averaged 5% unemployment while Obama is averaging 9%, (far more when those that gave up are counted). No amount of leftist lies will erase those numbers.

Democrats inherited 4.6% unemployment and doubled it. No amount of leftist lies will erase that either.

Also, the obstructionist lie was exposed the moment Obamacare was shoved down our throats. If they could pass that they could pass anything.

Republicans ran on repealing Obamacare, stopping democrat destruction, and making Obama a one term president and had the biggest victory in over 70 years. Can you liberals take a hint? Your own messiah called it a shellacking.

You people (armchair political scientists on both the left and right) never cease to crack me up. Your naivety is amazing (the creators of Idiocracy would be proud). Do any of you honestly believe that either candidate:

1) Really gives a rats a$$ about the common person and their needs?

2) Is going to make any positive change whatsoever for the middle class or this country?

Let me clue you in. It's too late.

Any politician can make up numbers people WANT to hear ……. That doesn’t make them true or even possible. Besides by now people are starting to realize that Romney blows more smoke than Mt. Saint Helens. The sickening thing is how the media reports Romneys fantasies like their actually fact.

I wish people would wake up and realize that; Republicans DO NOT KNOW HOW TO GOVERN !!!!!! or for that matter tell the truth.

Calm down, folks. Mitt was only talking about China, not the US.

American Girl-724855

There's nothing more embarassing than a brain-washed Republican repeating their mantras, their talking points and their hate speech.

AM - have you read the posts from bottle red on the head lately? Or how about those bigoted remarks from Bev from Chicago? Can you also say these two fall into the same category you mentioned, just the party is different

Valhalla Phil - I'll give you a clue. When you post the "messiah" nonsense we all know you got nothin! Zip, nada zilch. It's just sooooooo stupid and says more about you than it does about Obama!

Mitt Romney set some high standards for himself in reaction to Friday's lackluster jobs report from April.

No he didn't...he set a ridiculous, pie in the sky target for Barack Obama while proving nothing about himself.

One more classic bit of Conservatve empty rhetoric.

LMAO..4% unemployment rate and 500k hires a month..what is this guy smoking..pass it around pal! DREAMER!

Valhalla Phil

The fact remains Bush averaged 5% unemployment while Obama is averaging 9%,

you are kidding, right? Anyone? Is he kidding? Can anyone be this dense?

Democrats inherited 4.6% unemployment and doubled it. No amount of leftist lies will erase that either.

what is this guys smoking?

Typical GOPers shoot for the moon while providing zero specifics. If Romney is elected, he'll fire a majority of government workers, consolidate and then send those government agencies into bankruptcy and then sell said agencies to foreign nations just to make a buck. 500K jobs in what planet is he thinking of creating jobs? His motherland? Certainly not here. If it were that easy, it'll have been done already.

Lets cut taxes more is the mantra, more from what? Nothing left to cut. The essentials can't even be paid for. Our police forces, fire, emergency, etc are all being cut due to the GOPs stance of "Taxes Are Just To Damn High" and we'll get by with less is more tactics. HA.. Hardly. American military members have to buy their own armor in a lot of cases, because there is no money, but we rotate then up to 6 or 7 tours in 2 miserably failed wars with no point.

Elect Romney will see $10-$12/gal gas. We'll see wars from the East and West. Russia and China both staunch defenders of all things Iran.. So then what?

500K jobs per month would means Romeny would've to create 1M jobs per month if he were to let companies go bankrupt!!

Just sayin.....

Romney's 500,000 a month jobs plan:

Encourage US Companies to outsource more jobs with lucrative taxes breaks.

500,000 new jobs created a month in China and India.

Mitt never said WHERE he would create the new jobs now did he?

Private-Sector Job Growth
Higher Under Obama Than Bush?

Share these
numbers with your Republican and Romney-supporting
friends!

The 25 months of private sector
job growth under Obama has provided more jobs as a percentage than the
equivalent 25 months of private sector job growth under Bush. The margin is
only a few hundredths of a percent (3.77% increase for Bush vs. 3.79% for
Obama), but it does favor Obama.

Both George Bush and Barack Obama
experienced economic and employment turmoil in the months after they took
office.

Bush's
problems

Though jobs numbers were still high
when George Bush was inaugurated in January 2001, the dot.com bubble had burst,
and jobs numbers were starting to decrease. This was exacerbated by the 9/11
terrorist attack that took place 8 months after his inauguration. Jobs numbers
started plummeting downward and did not hit bottom until August 2003, two and a
half years after Bush's presidency started. Job growth continued with few
monthly declines for four years, until the last year of his
presidency.

Obama's
problems

Barack Obama assumed office with a MUCH
more challenging economic situation. The housing bubble had burst two and a
half years before he took office, and the repercussions were widely felt during
the year before his election. Two months before the election, we faced a total
collapse of the banking system and the stock market lost a higher percentage of
value than it had since the Great Depression. 4,500,000 jobs had already been lost before he took the
oath of office, including an average of 760,000 jobs lost monthly in
each of the three months before he took office. Jobs numbers did not hit bottom
for a year after he was inaugurated, not until February 2010. Private sector
job growth has continued every month since that trough in early 2010, with now
25 months of private sector job growth.

How does job
growth under these two presidents compare if we look at job growth since the
bottom going forward 25 months?

We'll compare with and without
government jobs. Government jobs, particularly at the state and local levels,
have been hit hard with budget cutbacks after the recent recession and have not
started to recover, and we may lose more as there is tremendous pressure to
continue eliminating jobs at all government levels. However, private sector
jobs have started to recover.

Total jobs
(including government jobs):




Bush:

• At "trough" (August 2003):
  129,820,000
• 25 months later (September
  2005): 134,240,000
• Plus 4,420,000 jobs, for a total percentage
  increase of 3.4%.
• An average of 176,800 total jobs were added per month in
  those 25 months.

Obama:

• At "trough" (February 2010):
  129,244,000
• 25 months later (March 2012):
  132,821,000
• Plus 3,577,000 jobs, for a percentage increase
  of 2.8%.
• An average of 143,080
  total jobs
  were added per month in those 25 months.

Bush still leads Obama overall due to an
increase in government jobs during those years. During those
first 25 months of recovery in 2003 through 2005, 325,000 jobs were
added at all levels of government (federal, state, local). During the
first 25 months of this recovery, we've had to cut 474,000 jobs,
mostly in education and other services at the local (city, town, county) level.
(And the Republicans say that the Democrats are the big government spenders?)
However, in private sector jobs, Obama's record has started to eclipse Bush's
record and is now ahead of him as a percentage increase:

Total private
jobs:

Bush:

• At "trough" (July 2003):
  108,232,000
• 25 months later (August
  2005): 112,311,000
• Plus 4,079,000 jobs, for a percentage increase
  of 3.77%.
• An average of 163,160 private sector jobs were added
  each month during those 25 months.

Obama:

• At "trough" (February 2010):
  106,773,000
• 25 months later (March 2012):
  110,824,000
• Plus 4,051,000 jobs, for a percentage increase
  of 3.79%
• An average of 162,040 private sector jobs were added
  each month during those 25 months.

What
might have been....

We can only imagine how many more jobs
we'd have and how much farther we'd be on the way to recovery without
obstructionist Republicans waging war on public education, particularly at the
state and local levels.

Damn. 4%. What a good idea! Wish we had thought of that!

I wish he had told Bush before he left.

or his buddies on Wall Street.

or his banker buds.

or his AIG friends.

Maybe he'll tell 'em after he loses... SOMEONE needs to tell 'em.

Romney will say what he needs to say to get elected... even when it makes absolutely no sense.

Somebody should ask Feisty how much it costs media matters to have her vulture for first place on these posts. Then she only puts up the usual mindless bullshi$ If she really loved her minions she would get them all jobs at media matters and then this liberal love fest could really get cozy. If it walks like a buzzard, acts like a buzzard and talks like...well, I'll be polite, then it must be a buzzard.

Look up in the sky, hovering around MSNBC waiting anxiously for a new story to post. It's a bird, it's a plane, it's, its' it's a buzzard. No it's just Feisty, doing her thing to make people think she's just an average angry liberal.

Stick with the fake red hair Feisty. Transparency is not a good look for you.

"The fact remains Bush averaged 5% unemployment while Obama is averaging 9%, (far more when those that gave up are counted). No amount of leftist lies will erase those numbers."

No, the fact remains that in January 2001 when Bush took office, unemployment was 4.2%. When he left in January 2009, unemployment was 7.8%. The rate is now 8.1%. So under whose watch did the rate increase the most? http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

It occurs to me that while those numbers are lofty goals, Bushco never achieved them. Not once, I think. Now if the Mittster wants a return to bushco policies, why would he think that it would suddenly produce 500k jobs /month? I believe that I read more than once than bushco netted out in the minus for 8 years. What's that old definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? I think the Mittster needs to either talk some more on how he'll do this or admit he was just joking...

@Rightwingwac

why does it matter who posts first? Either you post has validity ang gravitas or it doesn't.

Because I don't like the facade that Feisty portrays of being this righteous passionate citizen. It's bull Shi$ and I just like to call her out on it. I don't like false profits and I don't let them off the hook when they pretend to have all of this in depth knowledge but NEVER seem to display it.

Validity? Validity can not be measured in anything she states. It's all snide rhetoric and snitty little name calling. When asked to back up anything she resorts to snapper-head lash outs while proclaiming she's some type of force to be reckoned with. When someone acts like her it's not called being feisty it's called being the equivalent of a female K9.

So one of two things is happening; she's either smoking Newport's by the carton tapping her fingers and anxiously waiting for that next story to post so she can jump on it and respond off of the headline. That scenario would make her a psycho...which I would accept. Or she's bought and paid for with an inside line in which case that makes her a fraud, which I would believe. Top that off with her holier than thou attitude combined with never really having any substance and not being able to get through a post without snide name calling and you've got a well deserving target.

Now all of that being said, she/he/whatever also challenged me that there's nothing she would state that I could even touch let alone punch holes in. Well that was a lot of posts ago and wouldn't you know it; she/it/whatever was right, because she hasn't posted a damn thing that has stated any information with substance, just the usual one liners of the day that she has received instruction to post.

So I go about my business but when the obvious mizzzz feisty pops up on the top of these posts, I read what is stated (or often times pasted) and then point out a couple of things for the viewing audience. Now if she ever posts something of substance I will most certainly back off from the petty crap and proceed to disprove her in a more straight forward debate. But for now I've just got to work with the intelligence that she displays...which is pretty limited.

I was under the assumption after she self proclaimed to be a super genius of the boards (kind of like barack) that I was going to witness some brilliant posts that I would have to pass on becuase they would simply be inarguable. What I got was disappointing elementary school vomit, and I've just gotta expose crap like that.

Good God I'm glad I type fast. The Glendronach is going down smoothly this evening and I must not ignore it any longer..so to answer your question; that's why. Feisty Red Head I raise my glass to ya 'cause you're making this a lot of fun. "Alla-Salute".

"The fact remains Bush averaged 5% unemployment while Obama is averaging 9%"

Yep – Bush inherited a great economy form Bill Clinton – record low unemployment. It took him several years to mess that up. But by the time he left office, we were LOOSING over 750,000 jobs per month. And just like it took Bush a number of years to tank the Clinton economy, it will take awhile for President Obama to improve the worst economy since the depression. Remember – the 115,000 jobs added last month was 865,000 better than Bush’s last month in office.

The reality is no president since Kennedy had the keys to the White House turned over to him from the former president with the nation in BETTER shape than did George W. Bush and no president since FDR had the keys to the White House turned over to him from the former president with the nation in WORSE than did President Obama. It will take this nation a generation or longer to dig ourselves out of the economic disaster caused by George W. Bush and his Republican controlled Congress.

@Rightwingwac

why does it matter who posts first? Either you post has validity ang gravitas or it doesn't.

Thomas - see how easy it is to get under the trolls thin skin? lol

Appears I have picked up another obsessive "pet rock" to add to my collection!

Not only do we have to contend with ObamaDerangementSyndrome, now there is a new strain called FeistyRedheadDerangementSyndrome going around! lol

Ignore Gomer - I do!

Shhh. You're not supposed to ask Romney 'How?' on anything.

Hello, China? (Mexico, India, etc.)

We're going to take back all of our jobs now, mmkay?

Thanks,

Mitt.

(Yes, I'm being sarcastic)

Rocco and a few others? Why do you claim it is bogus to say Obama's stimulus saved jobs? Google it. Story after story says the same thing. It DID save jobs. Here is what the CBO said-

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a report in August that said the stimulus bill has "[l]owered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points" and "[i]ncreased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million."

Simply put, more people would be unemployed if not for the stimulus bill. The exact number of jobs created and saved is difficult to estimate, but nonpartisan economists say there’s no doubt that the number is positive.

I guess Mittens is going to invoke the power of his magic underpants.

Feisty ignores me because she can't prove anything I throw at her wrong. The "troll" needs to look in mirror. The hypocritical nature of this beast is astounding but not unexpected.

I can prove my point simply by scanning this post.

Joanna throws reality back at Feisty and what does it get???? Crickets from Feisty because she has nothing.

White Collar Auto throws factual information at Feisty what does he get as a rebuttal??? Just the blank deer in the headlight stare because again she has nothing. If it's not a one line insult that she pats herself on the back for the genius of, it's a one line insult fed to her by the bosses.

@Frank Grimes

You are not being nit-picky, you are spot on. He never pledged anything, he was making a statement about the economy and where it should be at this state of recovery. Ambitious? Yes. Who has the better chance of making it happen? Romney, (or pick any one of the dozen elementary school names that Feisty would like to call him)

Feisty never answers anything when confronted with facts. She just name calls. Case and point; she just did it to me again. Go ahead check around, I'm right. Oh, and look how often she "laughs out loud" at herself. Talk about simple.

I'm outspoken but she's a parrot who can't put a solid argumentative statement together if her life depended on it. Maybe it's all that purple hair dye sinking through her scalp. Keep ignoring me Feisty, it's just one less piece of written diarrhea we have to deal with and the less we hear from you the better everyone will be.

Great numbers on the unemployment rate, but how does the Dept. of Labor Statistics count the nunbers? Apparently any way the President wants them to. 8.1% sounds good, but add into the model, the number of folks off of the roles. That number would probably increase to 11%.

Stop whining about the damn unemployment rate. You ought to be thankful it isn't the 25% from the Great Depression. Be thankful for that.

Yada, yada, yada on this discussion. Why not focus on this administrations inability to get the economy moving forward? It's the Obama ownership - don't blame Bush or the Republicans.

Technically, Obama did have a plan to get the economy moving forward. He offered a Jobs Act (a real one, not some political gimmick) that was estimated to create 2 million jobs and fix our infrastructure. The reason why the recovery is slow is because wages aren't going up (dampening consumer spending) and the government isn't spending enough. We keep talking about the deficit and that we should cut spending, but little do we know is that that would actually INCREASE the debt by sending the economy into the toilet. We need another stimulus (and the first one DID work, it was just too small); one that is focused on the long-term, one that is mostly spending, and one that is focused on infrastructure. We could simply pay for it by a tiny tax on millionaires, and spread out the program over 4-5 years.

Several Republican budgets submitted. Why won't you discuss and compromise Mr. Harry Reid and the Progressive owned Senate?

Since when would the GOP ever agree to whatever compromise the Democrats offer??? Most of them signed a pledge to never raise taxes, literally throwing compromise out of the table. The last time the Democrats tried to compromise was in the summer of 2011. We offered a $4 trillion debt deal that was mostly cuts and some increases, but your damn Republicans said no. How can we compromise with people who pledged not to raise taxes??? There is no way to compromise with people who have a narrow-minded perspective.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

When your Republicans propose to remove the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, then we Democrats will come to the table. If you don't have the balls to raise taxes, then you can go @!$%# yourself, House Republicans.

Both Obama and Romney are not presidential material and do not have legitimate plans to fix the economy.

The economy faces 2 issues: stagnant/sluggish employment and massive public debt.

The Republicans are not serious about unemployment (you actually have to spend and invest to increase employment; there is literally no evidence to prove that cutting taxes in itself produces American jobs). All they want to do is cut government spending, in all areas. In a sluggish economy, that is bad news in the short run.

Democrats are not serious at all about the ballooning debt crisis. In fact, they don't seem to care about it in the slightest - they haven't produced a budget in years. They want to turn the country into a welfare state, dependant on gv't spending, which will lead us down the Greek road before very long.

At the end of the day, we need rational thinkers and decision makers - those are the people who have a chance at getting us out of this mess. Most of the trolls on this site are just completely obsessive about their own parties and demonizing the opposing one.

We need compromise. There needs to be investment in education and job-creation. Stimulus bills are essential for job growth. On the flipside, we need to get serious about controlling the entitlement programs in our country. We need to streamline gv't spending in places that actually promote growth.

What's really interesting is how liberals complain about Romney and what he says is or isn't acceptable without even giving the guy a chance to speak up his plan. Why should he produce a plan at this early stage of the game so Obama can steal it and use it 6 months away from an election and call it his own plan?

Strategies are made and implementation comes later. The liberals want him to reveal it so they can squawk and do everything they can to tear it down just because it's from a republican. How many times have we seen the liberals on this board go batsh!t crazy after some republican announced some sort of plan... A republican would have to be insane to reveal his plan now.

I guess you liberals are just gonna have to wait and see what the plan is. I can pretty much guess what it is, but that's because I think like a conservative and liberals don't.

JoAnnaSmith - Isn't that Kenyanesian economics in Obama's case? ROFL!!!

OR...

Willard is throwing out a big number to 'wow' people and has no intention of ever producing a plan. Instead he wants you to forget about it within 6 months.

Which do you think is more likely?

He has a legitimate plan but won't divulge it

OR

He doesn't have a plan, and is hoping you forget about the statement within 6 months?

Now look at his track record of fact vs fiction....

and then decide which is more likely.

So brian, you're ok with not hearing a plan. But you want people to vote for Romney without hearing one.?

Do you think we are dumb enought to fall for that? Are you dumb enough? Sounds like it. If you want to vote for the guy, then by all means do so. If he wins, you know we'll all be screaming when he doesn't create 500, 000 jobs by Feb 20, 2013

Frank said: So brian, you're ok with not hearing a plan. But you want people to vote for Romney without hearing one.?

Do you think we are dumb enought to fall for that?

Did you vote for Obama in 08? Did you ever hear one definition of what hope and change was? Did he EVER define anything about his presidency? I'm not talking about fancy speeches and people falling out over seeing him in public... did Obama EVER define anything he planned? Among those things he promised, he has fallen short, or over extended every time. Did YOU count on an additional $5-6 trillion in national debt?

If you fell for Obama's line of BS, then yes I would say people are that dumb. Especially those that voted for HIM!

Next year I will live in a nicer apartment, own new furniture and drive a fancy Nissan. I have a no idea how I will accomplish this, but then, again, Romney has no idea how voting for him will add 500,000 jobs to the economy and Republicans believe in him enough to give him millions! Believe in my vision! Send me a new Nissan!

TO: JoAnnaSmith1 who wrote:

"We know what produces 100,000 jobs per month. Keynesian economics."

Carnival barker.

Obama / Biden 2012

Amy....which one of the '5 all-new models over the next 15 months' would you like?

Eyes right!

Hey Brianb, go back and read Obama's campaign speeches from 2008, during the primaries and the general election. Then tell me he wasn't specific about his plans. Unlike Romney who only complains and blames everything on Obama.

You are so full of elephant dung, you probably eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Snacks too?

How bout some skin in the game if you wish to appear credible? Pledge to resign in February 2014 if you have not created 6 million jobs since your inauguration.

Double dare ya!

I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Etch-a-Sketch erases those comments by Monday.

The Obama administration has created 4.1 million jobs in the last 25 months. That's pretty darn good considering the GOP blocked as much as they could to keep the economy down. Think where we'd be if they had not filibustered, blocked, delayed and denied; think where we'd be if they had helped even just a little.

Brianb

Yes, I voted for hope and change. I wanted:

Adult supervision of the financial casinos in New York and Charlotte

Consultation and co-operation with our foreign allies

Foreign Policy guided by our self-interest, not someone's ideology

A world leader who would not be the butt of dumb Texan jokes

A rational approach to managing the economy, not an ideological one

A shift of government attention away from body orifices to rational approaches to medicare and health care.

Yeah, I consider myself an independent and yes I think I got what I was promised.

BrianB

Found a job yet, loser?

Right JoAnnaSmith1. Our government is definitely smarter to pick Keynesian economic theory over what the Republicans have been touting for decades...the Laffer curve (better known as trickle-down economics). We all know how well THAT particular theory has worked since Reagan instituted it.

You must be another one of those rich white folks sipping kool-aid in your nice safe gated community while sneering at the dirty masses gathered outside who are hungry and can't find jobs. Who cares if all their jobs went overseas and the lion's share of the wealth remained mostly with people like you. Darwinism at its best.

Betcha 10G that he can't do it!

BrianB and JoAnneSmith... What are Romney's plans to accomplish 500K/month? (considering that it has happened only 16 times in US history)

Why didn't he just say "750K/month and 2% unemployment"? He has NO plan other than to de-regulate the oil, financial and natgas businesses. Which have all done a bang up job preventing disasters of self regulating (GWB idea) and having WEAK regulatory agencies stocked with industry cronys from BOTH parties.

Want to learn more about Romney's time at Bain? He ain't gonna tell you but here is a good article that illustrates his business acumen.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2012-04-18/news/mitt-romney-american-parasite/4/

Loyal Texan said:

Yes, I voted for hope and change. I wanted:

Adult supervision of the financial casinos in New York and Charlotte Charlotte? Funny how the dems didn't give much financial supervision considering they caused the bust in the first place. Try getting a loan lately? Good luck with that.

Consultation and co-operation with our foreign allies Sure... Like Israel? Japan laughs at us and China's chomping at the bit for us to default.

Foreign Policy guided by our self-interest, not someone's ideology How is that working out for us? Are you totally blind to Obama's ideology?

A world leader who would not be the butt of dumb Texan jokes Obviously texan jokes are passe. Now it's just dumb Kenyan jokes and community agitator jokes... nothing could be more base.

A rational approach to managing the economy, not an ideological one Rational???? $1.2 Trillion in stimulus, son of stimulus, Omnibus bills and spending out the wazoo? That sound pretty rational to me... no wait.. sounds rational to you...

A shift of government attention away from body orifices to rational approaches to medicare and health care. Yeah, Obamacare was rational... Only been tried to be passed in this country since 1907. It took a totally filibuster proof congress to pass it... along with bribes to congressional districts to those democrats that felt it was over the top... but caved to the pressure of those bribes... Louisiana purchase, etc. That's totally rational to me... NOT!

Yeah, I consider myself an independent and yes I think I got what I was promised.

It will boil down to you will get what you deserve in the end. Voting for this shilock has hurt our economy, our freedoms and our countries health.

Amy said:

BrianB

Found a job yet, loser?

Not yet, but working on it Amy. Don't tell me you are going to offer some assistance when I run out of money and can't pay my house note, my truck note, put food on the table, pay my utility bill and they shut my water off. I guess a beyatch like you only thinks conservatives out of work in this economy are losers. That's the difference between your ideology and mine Amy... if you lose your job, you'd get my sympathy and not call you a loser.

Notaliborcon - BrianB and JoAnneSmith... What are Romney's plans to accomplish 500K/month?

Where in the article does it say that he plans on accomplishing that goal? Copy and paste the exact words where he says he will do exactly that! I want to see those words from the article posted.... and if you can't do it, then you simply don't have a clue about how to read.

TO: Brianb-999431 who wrote:

"...I think like a conservative..."

There is absolutely NO evidence that "conservatives" "think", which is why they have to make up talking points, and then they all keep repeating the same things until somebody pukes.

Obama / Biden 2012

That's a pathetic lie. It is liberals who think they can kill capitalism and that will create jobs. It is liberals who think we can spend our way out of debt. It is liberals who slam Bush deficits yet ignore Obama's $1.3 trillion record breaking deficits. It is liberals who chided against easy access to guns then shipped a ton to Mexican drug lords, purposely not tracking them. It is Obama's jobs czar that shut down an entire division of his company and shipped it to China.

It is clearly liberals who don't think.

Valhalla Phil - now you're just lying! But, I expect no more from the intellectually challenged Republicans. It is the GOP who got us into this mess and, as usual, the Democrats will have to find a way to get us out - without starting wars for no reason.

Brianb - as much as I think nothing of your posts, I wish you all the best in finding a job. It's really hard in this economy. Good luck!

Obama/Biden 2012

You're seeking sanity in the wrong places. Remember, insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result. Conservatives want us to continue letting the Financial Industry operate without regulations. We know that caused the Great Depression and the collapse of 2008, but they don't remember that. They will tell you that raising taxes on the upper incomes is a job killer, despite the evidence that we had record job creation under Clinton after a tax increase. They would like us to believe that Obama is spending like a drunken sailor on foreign aid and on political cronies when we know that most of the federal budget is spent on National Security, Medicare, Social Security and the interest on the debt. They would have us believe that people who lost their jobs and then their homes brought down the economy, not the River Boat Gamblers in Wall Street who peddled derivatives around the world and then came looking for a taxpayer handout. Brianb gave us an excellent example of that logic when he told us that the collapse happened 15 months after the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006. History shows the meltdown began in 2007, which is when the new Congress was sworn in. [Presumably he doesn't know the election took place in November.] Within a couple of months, people who had taken out adjustable mortgages began to default. [Presumably also, he doesn't know that ARMS adjust after 3 or 5 years.] That certainly suggests that the mortgages were taken out in 2002 through 2004, when the GOP ran Congress and the Democrats were not just out of power but totally powerless. Not that this logic makes any difference. You can't fight insanity with the facts.

Brianb... My point is that Mitt has NO plan whatsoever. It is fine and good to criticize a sitting elected official but, if you are running for POTUS, then you should have a plan to show that you would be the better choice. He can say that 500k jobs/month and 4 percent is where we SHOULD be but he can't state a plan that gets us there?

Nice try at deflecting...

Did you read the article I provided a link to? Bet you didn't because it doesn't agree with your OPINION and therefore does not pierce the bubble you live in.

"It is liberals who slam Bush deficits yet ignore Obama's $1.3 trillion record breaking deficits."

No, sorry. Overwhelmingly, Bush's policies have driven a huge portion of the deficit, now and in the future. See here: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

"It is liberals who chided against easy access to guns then shipped a ton to Mexican drug lords, purposely not tracking them."

Sorry, Operation Wide Receiver occurred during the Bush administration. See here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/earlier-atf-gun-operation-wide-receiver-used-same-tactics-as-fast-and-furious/2011/10/06/gIQAuRHIRL_story.html

"It is Obama's jobs czar that shut down an entire division of his company and shipped it to China."

Uh, no, Immelt moved a few executives to China. The plant in question is still open with no net job losses. See here: http://www.jsonline.com/business/126108088.htmlhttp://www.jsonline.com/business/126108088.html

But it is liberals who will call you out for false statements.

Those numbers carry political significance, with only six months left until the election. In separate reactions to the April figures, Romney set standards that he thought represented what's acceptable.

The Romney standard, in short, would see the economy add 500,000 jobs per month.

Stop being a dumba$$ liberal and READ the words he spoke and stop assuming you understand the written words. You obviously don't.

It looks like Brianb is being his usual dumba$$ conservative self again.

If you think you're capable of doing so, Brian, why don't you review Romney's "standards" of what he thinks is acceptable. Read it as many times as it may take the light to shine through for you...it's all right there in front of your eyes. Read it very s-l-o-w-l-y...comprehension doesn't seem to be one of your strong suits. Do you see it yet, laddie? It's that really big number Romney associated with his "standard". Nothing coming through the fog yet, Brian? Then look for the bold print above.

Can you put 2 and 2 together Brian, or are you admitting you can't understand the written words?

..but that's because I think like a conservative...

Well, we all have crosses to bear Brian. But yours, by your own admission, is staggering.

Condolences...

Hey Brian...you've been bellyaching a lot about what Romney actually said in regards to how many jobs he thinks should be created each month.

To that end, I'm sure you're so-o-o-o acquainted with Fox News that you won't have any trouble finding the video of his discussion of it, if his campaign hasn't already scrubbed it.

"We should be seeing numbers in the 500,000 jobs created per month," Romney said on Fox & Friends just minutes after the April numbers were released.

But as is usual with Mitt, he deftly (not) avoids discussing any ways of doing something that's only occurred 5 times. Anyone can toss out a number. Not surprising...4 out of the 5 times it happened, it happened under Democratic presidents, as reported by the Ed Show...see below:

First of all Willard, in the past 50 years, the US has created 500,000 jobs in a single month only five times:March 1978, April 1978, September 1983, September 1997 and May 2010. Four out of five of those months when 500,000+ jobs were add came under Democratic presidents -- Jimmy Carter (twice!), Bill Clinton and Barack Obama (ironic, isn't it, that the president Romney's been most critical of late, Jimmy Carter, is the only president to have presided over TWO 500K+ job creation months since 1962!)

Enjoy that obviously tasty crow you're munching on...you've earned it.

I would love to hear barack say any damn thing about a plan for the economy. Fantasize for us, say anything at all positive or hopeful or whatever just address that there are issues. Not blaming Bush again and again and again. Not claiming that the rich are the cause so taxing them would solve it. (take everything from them it buys us a few days). But for Gods sake barack...GIVE US A PLAN you jack-ass! Of course it would be total BS because he hasn't had a solid plan yet and if there was a hint of one in the past it was disastrous and even his minions went against him. "pass this bill now"

How about you libs call on your dim-witted president to actually address the economy and propose a plan before you get all over a candidate for addressing it. At least Romney is saying something about it. The sitting president doesn't even know there's a slow economic meltdown going on. By the time of the election we will breach 16 Trillion in debt. Now I know it's all Bushes fault but shouldn't the sitting frickin' president be addressing it and actually trying to solve it? Again, taxing the rich is in no way going to dent things, it might make a point but it won't make a dent and that's proven with this little thing called "math".

The giant horses ass in the room is the fact that the actual president doesn't have a plan. But yeah, you guys want to make it about Romney saying something bold.

*Anyone but barack 2012*

"Why should he produce a plan at this early stage of the game so Obama can steal it and use it 6 months away from an election and call it his own plan?"

LOL!!!! What a load of garbage that it. We know what his plan is -- cut taxes for the richest of the rich and more deregulation. That's the only plan Republicans have had for the last 30 years. We saw the results of that plan in during the Bush administration -- the worst economy since the depression. Remember -- doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is knows as insanity. Voting for a republican to improve this economy makes as much sense as smoking to cure lung cancer.

Roughly 30 million people will become eligible for retirement over the next 10 years. That averages to 250,000 per month. We have known this for decades. Why is it surprising that people are leaving the workforce?

If the economy needed 500,000 new employees each month, we would run out of workers in less than a year.

Romney better find some way to address immigration - because - we simply do not have enough people in the country for Romney's plan to work.

¿habla español?

One reason unemployment is so high is that companies need fewer people due to higher productivity. Also why should a company hire when demand for its products/services remains low.

It's amusing that none of Romney's supporters offers any suggestion of what Romney would do if elected. All they can do is attack Obama with typical political hype. (Note that democrats also attack Romney with typical political hype). I will only take Romney seriously if and when he tells me what he intends to do as president. It would not take much to be a better president than Obama. But Romney needs to make the case that it's worth putting a republican back in the White House; based on ideas, not just lame-brained attacks against anything Obama says or does.

Half a million jobs a month is six million jobs a year. Twenty four million in a four year term, or 48 million jobs in eight years. I did not know there were that many fast-food places in the US. Maybe some of those jobs will be in China.

The big question, for me is, WILL THESE JOBS PAY A LIVING WAGE? Will people who get these jobs be able to afford a decent home, decent food, or will they be nickldl and dimed, per Barbara Ehrenreich's book of the same name?

What's really interesting is how liberals complain about Romney and what he says is or isn't acceptable without even giving the guy a chance to speak up his plan.

What plan would that be?

Then you go on to say that he has a plan, just shouldn't be obligated to talk about it in detail at this stage.

Why not? He has a plan that will produce unprecedented, miraculous growth...why SHOULDN'T we be skeptical of that?

JoAnnaSmith1

We know what produces 100,000 jobs per month. Keynesian economics.

Huh???? What the...? And what will produce 500,000 jobs a month??? Reagan economics??? Give me a break. Our recession was CAUSED by Reagan economics, by deregulation and the income gap in America. Believe it or not, we need to SPEND our way out of this recession. Look at Europe; they tried austerity, and many of them are struggling. We can't focus on austerity now; we need growth, and so we need spending programs. Obama offered his jobs proposal that would add 2 million payrolls and wouldn't add a dime to the deficit. JAS1, we all know that supply-side economics has failed. You just don't want to admit it. In case you haven't noticed, states and local govts have been shedding jobs like crazy, stalling demand. We need them to hire people back so they can increase demand and increase hiring. Essentially, we need our government to spend more, because the private sector isn't. Take a look at Keynesian economics and Paul Krugman and you'll realize why the economy is in a rut.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

If Romney has a plan, it will be going backward in time with failed voodoo economics on steroids.

Every time we see video of President Obama in his earlier life, he is impressive (serious, smart, well-spoken) and involved in public service. It is obvious the president has been interested in politics all his life. That's why there is a record of his positions on issues, for example the recent legalization of drugs debate.

Where is all this video of Romney throughout his life? Romney publishes a book in 2010, originally produced by a ghost writer, then written with the help of a research assistant. The main case made is neocon-type foreign policy, with economic arguments of improving education, manufacturing, etc.

Romney has failed the Commander in Chief test, with no apology we then look at his domestic policies. The Ryan Plan contradicts much of what Romney says in his book--and Romney's plan as well with exception of huge increases in defense spending. Otherwise, all we can go by is "actions speak louder than words."

Dubya at least was known for "stay the course" and not flip-floping on everything. And he was able to draw from the Bush dynasty, his experience as a son of a former president and all the connections there of. Romney not so much--he is only the businessman part of his father, not the politician part. (Remember the billboards with a photo of Reagan and the caption "Do you miss this guy yet? Dubya is starting to look good, that's how bad Romney is.)

Okay, Romney is not as bad as other "businessmen" candidates such as Herman Cain who obviously invested zero time learning about public policy, but Romney likewise shows not only lack of knowledge, but lack of interest in learning public policy. Romney just wants the title and power of POTUS, not necessarily the actual job description.

Yet another example of action speaks louder than words -- The most recent was the firing of a gay person on his staff after pressure from the religious-Right. Norquist, who is wrong on everything else, is right that Teapublicans just need a president with digits to hold a pen and sign what ever they tell him/her to sign.

The best endorsement Romney is getting is that he's not President Obama. Wow, and so wrong. Rightwingers who don't think this through and realize there is actually a choice worse than President Obama are off their rock. Romney would be incompetent.

What a crock and waste of news space. No plan, no ideas, nothing. Just some pie in the sky wish list. Yea, we all want it better. Mitts? How do you create jobs, when you are busy breaking up companies and selling off their assets and then filing bankruptsy on the business. When do you find time to hire people

500,000 jobs/month haha.Like newts promise of $2.50/gal gasoline. One reason unemployment is still high are states shedding jobs like teachers and firefighters-then whining that unemployment is too high. Austerity is being tried in Europe with disastrous results. Spain has slipped into another recession and England is heading there. Over three decades of trickle down economics have proven to be an utter failure.

Why doesn't Mittens take some of his money out of the Caymans and Swiss banks and start a company that has good paying jobs?

a completely dependent on the government class of people that have no hope of ever finding decent work and determining that the government provides better for them than they can themselves. This is Obama's dream come true.

That certainly wasn't Obama's dream come true - it is a Republican dream. In the last 3 month's of 2008, the country lost 2 million jobs. In the first month of 2009, long before Obama could do anything to affect the economy (ya know, not being sworn in until Jan 20th), we lost 8 million jobs. Tax cuts, two wars extended by horrible mismanagement and a 104% increase in the size of government cost the country $6T in debt, 10 million jobs and a crashed economy. Romney, in the few details that he has released about any economic plans he might have, wants to go down the same path.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

There's lots and lots of complaining about Obama's progress in recovering the economy - true, he hasn't been able to rebuild the economy as fast and Bush and Republican majorities in both houses of Congress tore it down but then it is always easier to tear something down than to rebuild it.

I do believe that we will see job creation like what Romney is talking about if he is elected. There are $trillions of corporate money on the sidelines right now because companies are not going to invest in new projects (and jobs) while Mr. Obama is in office. If Romney is elected and corporate tax rates and capital gains tax rates are lowered, we will see tremendous growth in the economy.

You all need to get off of the Swiss bank account thing. You know that there are plenty of rich democrats out there that have them... I also do not recall any democrats complaining about how rich John Kerry was in 2004, and he didn't even make his own money, he married into it!

"If Romney is elected and corporate tax rates and capital gains tax rates are lowered, we will see tremendous growth in the economy."

The maximum capital gains tax rate was lowered in 2003 to the lowest historical rate since its inception. If your logic is correct, then why didn't companies flock to invest in new projects and jobs at that time? Why are we where we are now?

As far as corporate taxes go, the rate structure is less important than the deductions which can reduce liability to 0. It doesn't matter what the stated tax rate is, only what a corporation actually pays, and many of the largest pay nothing. Again, since they pay little or nothing, why haven't they invested in projects and jobs already?

JoAnnaSmith1

We know what produces 100,000 jobs per month. Keynesian economics.

More like: Trying to implement Keynesian economics but being blocked and demonized at every turn by a party that has no plan except to make our economy fail... produces 100,000 jobs.

Republicans, if they were so sure Keynesian policies would not work, should have allowed the Dems to implement their plan. Then they might have had something logical to say about now. At this point, both the original failure nd the lack of recovery is on their backs... and still no plan except same-o same-o.

rightwingconspiracy-5426624

I do believe that we will see job creation like what Romney is talking about if he is elected. There are $trillions of corporate money on the sidelines right now because companies are not going to invest in new projects (and jobs) while Mr. Obama is in office. If Romney is elected and corporate tax rates and capital gains tax rates are lowered, we will see tremendous growth in the economy.

You know what? You may well be right. But it will happen whether Romney is elected or not. Big and small businesses are not holding back because of Obama policies. Some may be holding back because they've swallowed the FOX news bull@!$%#, but most all "holding back" is just in case Romney IS elected. With Romney they know they'll make a fortune and they will become even richer.

So why spend now in support of a reasonable Obama approach when you can hold back for 6 months and hope to hit an equivalent lotto! And if Romney doesn't get in, they'll let loose with the investments anyway... nothing ventured, nothing gained. Get it?

Yet another reason to NOT elect Romney.

Brianb-999431

What's really interesting is how liberals complain about Romney and what he says is or isn't acceptable without even giving the guy a chance to speak up his plan. Why should he produce a plan at this early stage of the game so Obama can steal it and use it 6 months away from an election and call it his own plan?

First of all, that's quite the leap to assume Obama would have anything to do with something Romney would come up with. We already know the basics... new tax breaks, lower taxes for the rich and corporate humans, fewer regulations, kill Obamacare, et al.

Business is holding back just in case Romney gets in and big money can make bigger money... but they will release either way no matter who gets in there. The only way we get screwed is if Romney truly goes austerity on us. I don't think he will, but he does listen to the far right from time to time.

It really comes down to direction and trends. Do you think we should build on the ACA or destroy it? Do you think we have a problem with 1% versus 99%? Neither Romney or Obama will truly go for big budget cuts unless and when the economy is well on it's way to recovery, but when the cuts come, do you want Obama's "fair" approach or do you truly believe we need to cut all support programs?

Personally I think Romney is scum. But we will live through it if we have to... he will have morfed to the "middle" by election day... which IS why he won't divulge a plan until later.

I for one believe that Romney would create 500,000 jobs a month--in China.

Willard did not create that many jobs as Govenor he really think people will belive he can do it as President Wow!

Don't tell me you are going to offer some assistance when I run out of money and can't pay my house note, my truck note, put food on the table, pay my utility bill and they shut my water off.

I can damn betcha that Romney won't! Take Romney's advice: "Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, ...borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business." Just like Romney did, eh, on his daddy's millionaire money and the trust fund daddy established for him. What's the matter with you, slacker?

The Romney standard is shipping more jobs overseas and "FLIP FLOPPING" our Country for the 1% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brianb-999431 - Of course Mitt Romney has a plan that will add 500k jobs per month and drop unemployment to 4%. We don't need to see the plan. We small people wouldn't appreciate or understand it. We only need to trust the former CEO of Bain Capital...

When they show you who they are...believe them!

500,000 new jobs in India.

but he's a wild and crazy guy, on the inside.

That wild and crazy guy of Ann's imagination.....is desperate.

you just have to "unzip" him....

you just have to "unzip" him....

Yuck! TMI !!!!!

but he's a wild and crazy guy,

Since when is the missionary position considered wild? ;op

Since when is the missionary position considered wild? ;op

LMFAO!!!!

Very, very clever my dear friend!! Not sure if any of the adventurous positions from the KomaSutra would be something practiced by Mitt. Or lasting more than 20 seconds.

Or lasting more than 20 seconds.

In the dark no less...

Willard found Ann's "G" spot on a $10,000 bill!

In the dark no less...

Still laughing.

Yes, I suppose neither would take pleasure in seeing who they are sharing such a great pleasure.

Willard found Ann's "G" spot on a $10,000 bill!

The image of the two of them wearing a $10,000 bill as a blindfold so they could get through the experience with one another is the only way I can imagine them producing any childeren together.

Your humor is just what the doctor ordered Feisty! Thank You!!

you're on a roll red...u just made me spit all over my screen and there are folks walking by wondering what in the hell I'm laughing at.

Happy to oblige guys!

Thanks!

I'm trying to keep it "PG"...

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Willard found Ann's "G" spot on a $10,000 bill!

That's why money is tight. Annie and Willard are playing with millions of dollars.

That's why money is tight.

Okay - I apologize in advance for this but just can't resist...

Money might be tight however, after 5 kids you can bet Ann is not!

Sort of like the Duggar klan, by now those kids walk out...

I will not proceed to collapse myself! lol

Money might be tight however, after 5 kids you can bet Ann is not!

Can't stop laughing at this thread we're sharing. You've been making me laugh throughout this, but this one is the most hilarious.

I can only hope 'ol Mitt has more girth than his pasted on smile. If not, Ann is going to be tough to please.

I can only hope 'ol Mitt has more girth than his pasted on smile

Like throwing a hot against the wall in a rubber room...

Quick!

DUCK!

I gotta run - have a great weekend! Hope you feel better soon!

So wrong. But I can't help but laugh.

Wild and crazy Willard couldn't resist that $900+ t-shirt...hot, hot, hot!

...and then they rode in the car elevator (up and down), then baked cookies together!

Sounds a little like Michelle Bachman claiming she could get the price of gasoline down to $2 a gallon. The republican party is full of liars who will say anything to win elections.... period.

Hey Mitt -- why not go for the grand slam

500,000 jobs a month

$1.00 a gallon gasoline

A balanced budget by your 2nd year in office.

Since you're selling a pipe dream -- sell a huge pipe dream.

Rick Scott promised 700,000 jobs in FL from gutting regulation, lowering taxes on millionaires, and handing out tax money to schools that teach creationism.

Didn't work.

Turns out he's just a fraud.

Basically you are correct about jobs for India....Romney has proven that you can make a vast fortune by shutting down factories and laying off American workers...You really think he is going to do anything that cuts into the large profits of his corporate buddies, Indian workers are far more profitable for them...

Oh Red from the bottle, does your hubby have to tie a board across his butt before having sex with you?

I apologize in advance if I made your hubby go for the second board!

Mr. Romney Flip Flopper is a rubber stamp for the 1% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahh, he's just like our teabag governor down here in FL. Elected with some ridiculous scheme to create 100,000s of new jobs, and 1.5 years later, completely changed around the plan so that it fit the much more bleak reality he's put us in. The great part about Repubs is that they can make up any BS they want to get elected, and their sheep won't argue when reality never matches up!

Hey, he indeed has a plan.

Make his friends much richer with more tax breaks.

If that doesn't work, make them richer still, with even more tax breaks.

If that doesn't work . . . . . well you get the idea.

When they are wealthy enough to all have their money stashed away in the Caymans, they'll all move somewhere safe and watch the revolution from a safe distance.

Why aren't we preparing guillotines?

Here comes Romney flip flopping down the bunny trail hip-pity hopping jumping up and down like a Clown flip flopping and lining his Rich buddies pockets !!! ("The Etch A Sketch Empty Suit Elevator man and Dog Killer") !!!!!!

Government is responsible for making a business friendly environment so they can create jobs. China is doing it, we are doing the opposite. Guess which one has a $5 trillion surplus and which has a $15 trillion deficit.

How can government create jobs? By getting the hell out of the way! Instead Obama is meddling.

Yes Vahalla, get government the hell out of the way. Think of how many people could have jobs scooping oil sludge off the Gulf beaches and selling it to backyard refineries if the govt. didn't interfere with offshore oil production. Instead of buying gas from big oil, you could buy it by the bucket from your neighbor.

Roads and bridges might be dicey since gas taxes would evaporate but you wouldn't want to go sightseeing anyway.

The jobs China is creating are $hit jobs that I would hate to have, like Apple's prison camp jobs. Do you really want to work in a factory for a few dollars a day and go sleep in the dorm section of the factory until they tell you to come do your 12 hours again? China? Really? This is what we're shooting for? If that's true, it had better be 500,000/month because it will take 3 or 4 of them for someone to live on.

How can government create jobs? By getting the hell out of the way! Instead Obama is meddling.

Sure -- the space program, construction, defense contractors -- none of the government business ever created a job!!!

Do you ditto heads ever stop to think abut a single thing you hear spewing from the junkie's mouth or Fox Noise or do you simply repeat it like a well trained collection of parrots?

The Romney standard: 4 percent unemployment, 500k jobs per month

Romney truth: Another deep recession and more wealth for the Rich.

This guy tells fairy tails and the right snort it up like their cocaine. Or should I say Oxycontin... :)

Phil, the Chinese government is actively investing in job creation by subsidizing favored industries. We'll never get that through a Congress dominated by the do-nothing party.

Valhalla Phil Government is responsible for making a business friendly environment so they can create jobs.

Well, then where are the jobs? George W. Bush made it a policy to "get out of the way" for 8 years. Instead of creating jobs, he lost 10 million jobs in the months of Oct, 2008 to Jan, 2009.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

Obama has tanked the value of the dollar so much our wages are beginning to look like third world wages. You can certainly make America competitive when salaries are at slave labor rates. Just think we could be the next Viet Nam of cheap labor!

How's the middle class fared since democrats took over congress anyway?

Val Phil

Please document your statement that Obama tanked the dollar. Against what currency? Certainly not the Euro, Ruble or Chinese Renmimbi.

Resource exporters (Canada, Australia, Brasil, etc.) have had currency appreciation but this has nothing to labor costs.

If you do not respond it will be because your only source is Rush or Hammity and you don't want to admit it.

Amy B. Portland: Someone also needs to remind you that "too often we're caught in a cycle where we're more inclined to ignore information available to us and instead seek views that reaffirm what we already believe" Romney more than President Obama will help create an atmosphere for job growth. Those who have never worked outside a government job cannot understand the private sector job market. President Obama doesn't know how it works because he's never been involved in business.

Gran Canyon

You are welcome to your opinion but don't confuse it with facts. By your logic, a male could never be a competent OB/GYN since none of them have ever been pregnant.

Romney did not create jobs as governor of Mass. Nor did Bain. Romney got rich by destroying companies. The only companies that grew when Romney and Bain had ownership were companies where Bain had a very small minority ownership. Think what you will of Obama. And vote for whomever you want but you are very mistaken if you believe that Romney will create jobs. A Romney administration will continue to devour the poor and middle-class a la Bush and Reagan.

Please document your statement that Obama tanked the dollar

You're expecting a ditto-head Fox cultist to document a statement??? You live in more of a fantasy land than Romney!!

Mitt's plan is in Pdf on www.mittromney.com

"Believe in America"

Use "ctrl+f" and search the pdf for "1.25 million"

Its 1.25 million high skilled jobs "available as of last spring" that Mitt wants to fill with "highly educated" immigrants to jump start the American economy. He wants to up the number of Visas given to immigrants. That in turn will create jobs for Americans. But most Americans only speak English.

He also wants to "staple a green card to every college diploma" of immigrants who get diplomas in math, science, or engineering.

Why? Because Mitt believes in America, just not our current batch of Americans. So he's firing the current batch and hiring some new Americans.

If Mitt gets elected, you better learn "may I take your order, sir?" in as many languages as possibl.e

Americans First said: Romney was 47th out of 50 in job creation when governor.

What can you expect from a state like Massachusetts? What promise of work lies in that state? You have Boston... Largest equitable producer is Lager. They have no real manufacturing base and if you ever visit the state as a tourist, you won't want to go back... I met the rudest people in Mass than anywhere else I've ever visited in this country.

Mass has nothing to offer... anyone. So blame Romney... I can see the liberals already gearing up for Bush II hatred... expect it... rely on it.

Well, gee, if Mr. Romney is supposed to be this great leader what happened?

Brianb-999431

Americans First said: Romney was 47th out of 50 in job creation when governor.

What can you expect from a state like Massachusetts? What promise of work lies in that state?

BB, I expect the champion job creator to be number "1" since he is so obstuse about his knowledge of how to create jobs !

Yeah Beverly the run away poster... It seems your main squeeze Obama does a tickler of a job creating jobs too. How many are bleeding away every month? How many are falling off the unemployment roles not to be counted ever again by the government thereby stabilizing that over the top 8%+ unemployment number. Let's see, if 100,000 fall off the roles and 100,000 get jobs... that's net zero... some real hustling by the community agitator.

@Brainb

First and foremost good fortune to you in your quest for finding employment.

As to the claim about the potential for job growth in Massachusetts being what it is under anyone's leadership...well,sorry but after the cratering effects of 2008/2009 (which all states felt...) Massachusetts saw a very solid recovery on jobs in 2010 and that led to the state seeing 4% + job growth in 2011 to rank in the top 20 of states for job creation for the year (including cracking the top 10 in 2 different quarters).

All this under a Democratic governor (Deval Patrick) and the same Democratic legislature that Romney blamed then,and continues to blame today,for his anemic job growth when he was governor.

The "funny" thing about Mitt Romney is that he likes his wealth and his possessions and that's fine. The one thing he seems to want absolutely no ownership of is his record as Governor of Massachusetts.

Lastly, when you act just as dismissively of those whom disagree with you as you accuse them of behaving then you're being wildly disingenuous at best. So maybe think about either sucking it up or reining it in.

And one more point to you and everyone else that constantly harps on the "people falling off the rolls aren't counted,yada,yada,yada..." argument and what the "real" employment and job creation numbers are as a consequence.

OK,that's a valid point. But what your side leaves out of the debate on that is the fact that the counting of the unemployment numbers were being done this way PRIOR to January 2009,so stop accusing the current Administration for using the same accountancy methods that prior Administrations have.

Again with the disingenuous.

Sorry, that's a lie. When republicans got it down to 4.6%, they didn't get there by not counting people who were out of work so long they gave up. That is an Obama phenomenon.

Under Bush jobs were going begging. He averaged 5% unemployment. He certainly never had to extend unemployment 99 weeks.

In contrast Obama's unemployment numbers set all time records, worse even than the great depression.

Yes the counting hasn't changed. What has changed is millions running out of unemployment even after 99 weeks. What has changed is millions just giving up altogether.

Valhalla Phil - you sir are a complete liar. The employment figures have been determined the same way for decades. The Obama administration did not change a thing in the way the numbers are calculated.

Phil as usual you're...

A: the one throwing the word "lie" around.

B: the one doing the actual lying.

As for Obama's unemployment numbers reaching all time records...you're lying so hard on this one (and for YOU that's quite an achievement...) that I'm certain your nose has crossed a county line or two.

THAT Phil is a chart of unemployment figures in the United States using ALL SIX determinative factors that the Bureau Of Labor Statistics uses,from 1950 through 2010.

Now yes,under the current Administration the peak for the U6 line--all the other lines PLUS those who are employed part-time (i.e.,the underemployed) is the highest it's ever been. But keep in mind that this number includes EMPLOYED people (the aforementioned underemployed---the U6 folks) and all the other counting people from the previous 5 criteria (U1-U5) which includes line U4---the one that takes those who are discouraged and have given up looking for work into account.

Now as you can see these last 3 criteria were not even counted until the mid 1990's. When you turn on the TV or the radio,go online or read a paper and see the generic unemployment rate cited that is line U3---unemployment rate.

That's the line cited under Obama,as it was under both Bush's,Clinton.Reagan and every other President going back to Eisenhower.

(Now is where you'll probably tell us that U4--the one that accounts for "discouraged workers" who have given up seeking employment was what was used under Reagan,despite the fact that it wasn't measure until the mid 1990's.)

As you can see under that criteria---the one that ALL Presidents are judged by when the dry term "unemployment rate" is used---the highest the line reaches in under Reagan's term. The highest the average unemployment rate has been for any individual year since 1950 is 9.71%--1982. Do I need to remind you who was the President at the time?

(Before you blame this on Congress during that time,as I know you were going to,the GOP controlled the Senate from 1981-1986,whilst the Dems controlled the House for the entirety of Reagan's 2 terms. After winning the Senate in 1986's mid-terms the Dems controlled both chambers for the last 2 years of Reagan's Presidency. And 1987-88 were the 2 BEST years on employment under Reagan.)

The 2 highest single months for the unemployment rate since 1950 both took place in the year 1982---November and December of that year saw rates of 10.8%. (So much for the Holiday hiring boom...)

As a matter of fact if you care to look it up at the Bureau Of Labor Statistics from September 1982 through June 1983 the unemployment rate was 10%+ for 10 straight months. Whilst we were running up then record deficits.

You're entitled to your opinions Phil and if you would ever actually debate them instead of cavalierly resorting to name-calling and accusations of people lying I would be more than happy to engage you on them. But your are not entitles to your own facts.

Don't you ever call me a liar again.

OK just now seeing that the link I provided to show the chart didn't work (I suck at that kind of stuff admittedly...).

However if you want to go to the Bureau Of Labor Statistics site all the numbers I quote are accurate. To see the chart itself the easiest way is to go to the Unemployment article on Wiki and then in the Contents go to Part 3--Measurement and the click on 3.2---Bureau of Labor Statistics. The chart is about halfway down,on the right.

Sorry again to all for the snafu on the link.

www.mittromney.com and read his plan "Believe in America"

1.25 million highly skilled jobs available as of last spring will be filled by highly educated immigrants by raising the number of visas for immigrants. Then you can have a job taking their order in the drive thru.

Also, every math, engineering and science diploma earned by an immigrant will come with a green card (for real! read the plan, people! He's not hiding anything).

Did you like NAFTA? Day one, Romney will sign the Asian Free Trade Agreement plan. And he criticizes Obama for failing to sign any trade agreements.

Reagan is rolling in his grave.

I'm using my write in vote. Because the lesser of two evils is still evil

Valhalla Phil... lies!

When republicans got it down to 4.6%, they didn't get there by not counting people who were out of work so long they gave up.

First of all, Republicans did not get it down to 4.6%. They started with 4%!

From the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities:

The economy grew for the ninth consecutive year in 2000, with the unemployment rate falling to 4.0 percent, its lowest level in more than three decades.

And Republicans just couldn't have that! By Dec, 2008, unemployment was 7.2% and rising like a rocket! The US really dioesn't any more of that Republican expertise at running (errr, ruining) the economy!

The Obama Administration claimed that unemployment would not go over 8% if we passed his porkulus bill.

Still repeating the same lie does not make it magically come true!

Unemployment was ALREADY over 8% when the stimulus was passed...

Step away from the *fairy dust* it's clouding what ever linited thinking you are capable of!

Sadly my dear friend Feisty, you simply can't reason with some people. The only stats certain people want to relate to are those that are dreamed up that best fit their ideas. Actual statistics are out of their realm of conceptual reason.

Feisty, so that claim was never made by Chritina Romer? Wow. Not only are you a cry baby, your delusional too. You better make a early trip to the Document Dump Inn today and drink yourself sober.

Give em hell, Feisty!!!!

Give em hell, Feisty!!!!

I'm working on it! ;o)

Not too long after Chritina Romer, whoever she is made that statement is when we found out that the economy was twice as bad as we originally thought.

I don't remember any republican apologizing for that.

The republicans broke our economy, have been blocking any bills that would help America recover and then like a true republican turn around and blame President Obama for everything the republicans did.

It just p!sses me off the no, no, no republicans now want complain the recovery growth is too slow as if they are not the ones to blame.

VOTE FOR AMERICAN FREEDOM....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Rocco-2976776

Feisty, so that claim was never made by Chritina Romer? Wow. Not only are you a cry baby, your delusional too. You better make a early trip to the Document Dump Inn today and drink yourself sober.

The Obama team originally estimated, for example, that unless a stimulus plan was enacted, the unemployment rate would reach nearly 9 percent sometime in the first three months of next year, as shown by this chart, which we copied from the original Romer-Bernstein study

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/making-sense-of-stimulus-spending/

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Since you are so astute why don't you factor in the 1.2 trillion the so- called job creators sat on?

How about the ones who didn't accept the stimulus money?

B

Check out thinkprogress' list of the 111 hypocrites in the GOP/ Tea bagger caucas who didn't take the money until much later.

Slow it down; right

Give this lie and tired talking point a rest please!!!! Is there no one in the bagger cabal that has any original thoughts? I guess when Rove ran out of ideas that was the end of the game for the right.

Chris - "Is there no one in the bagger cabal that has any original thoughts?" No - sadly there isn't. They are all stuck on "repeat" or regurgitate". Not an original thought in the bunch - especially Romney!

After the effects of Bush's Great Recession, no one could get the unemployment rate below 8%. If Romney ever makes it to the WH every month we'll be waiting for those 500K jobs per month and 4% unemployment. Romney's such an economic wizard, he claims, that he should be able to achieve that by April, 2013. The reality is that Romney has no clue on how to handle the unemployment rate due to structural unemployment,. recession in Europe, a dead housing market (remember Romney said "let it fall"), economic slowdown in China, tight lending standards, poorly trained job seekers, gains in productivity with companies needing fewer employees, low demand, gas prices and on an on. Romney's a control freak but if he ever gets to the WH he's going to be very frustrated because he can't control much of anything.

I,am 59 and we have never had 4% in my lifetime.

Plus that means that companies would have to pay higher wages and they don't want that.

John Nail, I'm 65 and I don't recall 4% unemployment either. If it ever happened, it didn't last long.

Jody,

The last time our country had unemployment below 4% was 1969.

dennis,

That seems about right, since Mitt thinks its 1954.

In 1969 the workplace was a very different environment. Offices were low tech with many clerical jobs to do the work we now are expected to do ourselves. How many offices have secretaries anymore? Factories weren't automated robotically -- the assembly lines had real humans doing the work.

The two income family model was virtually non-existent so fewer jobs were needed. A large number of young men were drafted into the military. Women also served in smaller numbers.

Does anyone remember how bad it got in the 1970s when we left Vietnam. had the OPEC oil embargo, the Iranian revolution and hostage crisis...? The automotive industry in this country slid into an abyss along with the supply line industry. I remember 16% unemployment in Indiana -- it was ugly. Add the high inflation rate at the time.

Democrats inherited 4.6% and that was after 9/11, two wars, Rita, and Katrina.

That's right Phil,when the Democrats took over both houses of Congress in January 2007 the Unemployment Rate was 4.6%.

What was it the next month Phil? How about the month after that,or the rest of of the year for that matter?

I can look at a chart just as easily as you can,the difference is the closest YOU can ever come to being truthful is telling only half of the truth.

The rate stayed basically static through 2007 (anywhere from a low of 4.4 to a high of 5.0,the high coming at the end of the year) and for the first part of 2008. As we got closer and closer to the financial collapse in the Fall of 2008 and the markets and economy got shakier and shakier it began to creep up and finally exploded,unabated,from the late summer of 2008 through the spring of 2010. It's been inching down since.

By the way Phil,OBAMA inherited a rate of 7.8% in January 2009 and saw it peak at 10.0% in October of that year. Since then he's regained nearly all the percentage that was lost under his Presidency,showing a net gain (or loss depending on how you want to define it...) of .03% since he was sworn in (7.8% then,8.1% now).

Would you like to compare those numbers to what Reagan inherited in January 1981 (7.5%) and had at the end of his first term (7.3%)? It's not a lot to choose from is it? And lest we forget Reagan had a 10 straight month period,from September 1982 through June 1983,where the rate was over 10%. Has it been that bad under Obama? No,it hasn't. So much for your "unprecedented high figures" in an earlier post.

Oh and how about Bush II Phil?

Inherits a rate of 4.2% in January 2001 and leaves with a rate of 7.8% in January 2009,an increase of nearly 86%. Yep,nearly DOUBLED it. And as I showed before the blame it on the Dem Congress won't fly here Phil as most of the increase came as a result of the financial meltdown in the Fall of 2008,NOT at the point when the Dems took over as you suggest.

If Obama leaves office with the unemployment rate nearly doubling from the number it was when he inherited it you can spout off all you want. Until then just STFU please.

Once again another example of the Right's willingness to move the goal posts on where the buck stops and who's to blame when it's not THEIR turn in office.

Simply pathetic.

Oh boy, Phil. That's really a whopper. The unemployment rate in January 2009 when Obama took office was 7.6% and we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. The wars weren't even put on the books by Bush/Co - they just kicked that can down the road to the next guy.

In fairness Pedestrian when Phil says "Democrats inherited a 4.6%..." I believe that he is referring to January 2007 when they began their reigns as the majority in both houses of Congress.

But as is Phil's wont when he does tell the truth he only tells part of it. The 4.6% rate climbed only as high as roughly 5.0% until the Housing Bubble finally burst in the summer of '08. So an increase of roughly .5%,basically the same as from January 2001 (we know what that month saw happen yes?...) and January 2007---4.2% to 4.6%.

www.mittromney.com his plan is in Pdf "Believe in America"

Use "ctrl+f" for "1.25 million"

Mitt says there are 1.25 million highly skilled jobs as of last spring that can be filled by raising the number for visas to bring in highly educated immigrants.

Mitt has a solution- hire new Americans. You guys are fired!

John Nail

I,am 59 and we have never had 4% in my lifetime

I think unemployment reached 3.9% once, and that was during Clinton's administration, when tax rates were 39.6% for the wealthy. It's funny how Romney claims that normal growth is 500k jobs a month, yet that only happened 16 times in our nation's history, and most were under DEMOCRATIC administrations....

The fact remains, Bush averaged 5% unemployment while Obama is averaging 9%. I'll trust any republican over Obama for job creation.

116K is NOT a positive number, we need about 150,000 to break even. 116K means we are losing ground.

So 5% unemployment isn't in our best interests but 9% is? Typical liberal logic.

Newsflash, democrats own the senate and the white house, tell me how republicans are responsible for anything the last 5.5 years they've been a minority.

They want to stop GOVERNMENT spending to the private sector has more. A little recap, unemployment went UP after the stimulus was passed, it started back down when stimulus money ran out.

Money doesn't magically disappear if government doesn't get it's greedy little hands on it, it is still in the economy, just in the private sector instead of public coffers. Since private sector creates wealth while public sector destroys it, you want more in the private sector and less in the public.

give it up phil - it;'s like every time you try to make a point, you just stick your foot into your mouth and bite harder...

Valhalla Phil

The fact remains, Bush averaged 5% unemployment while Obama is averaging 9%. I'll trust any republican over Obama for job creation.

That is an unfair comparison, as Bush had a mostly okay economy while Obama came to office and is still presiding over a sluggish economy thanks to the recession.

Newsflash, democrats own the senate and the white house, tell me how republicans are responsible for anything the last 5.5 years they've been a minority.

Last time I checked, you need to pass bills from BOTH houses of Congress. And for the past 3.5 years, all the GOP has done is obstruct whatever the Democrats pass.

They want to stop GOVERNMENT spending to the private sector has more. A little recap, unemployment went UP after the stimulus was passed, it started back down when stimulus money ran out.

Ugh, we tried that. For 30 years, we gave the private sector trillions in tax cuts, yet all they did was outsource our jobs and keep wages stagnant. When economies go into recessions, the private sector doesn't have either the courage or the capital to spend, and in this case they don't have the courage. They have $2 trillion in assets but aren't spending because of lackluster demand. That's when the government goes in to fill in the gap by creating jobs via infrastructure and other spending bills. It's a proven theory. And the stimulus did not go into effect immediately after it was passed. It took awhile to transfer the funds. After it did, jobs began to go positive, and we slowly began to claw our way out of the recession. Check your facts, phil.

Money doesn't magically disappear if government doesn't get it's greedy little hands on it, it is still in the economy, just in the private sector instead of public coffers.

Money doesn't disappear; usually, when it is in federal coffers it gets spent through contracts with private companies or to the military or things like that. Money is essentially economic energy, and last time I checked energy isn't destroyed; it just just changes form, from public wealth/assets to private wealth/assets.

Since private sector creates wealth while public sector destroys it, you want more in the private sector and less in the public.

If you read my theory above, money (or wealth) isn't destroyed. The money cycle is a continuous circle; private sector pays the government in taxes, and the government pays the private sector through contracts for defense products or services. It constantly shifts hands. And the government does create wealth; it creates jobs through contracts with private companies and by hiring employees, who spur demand and cause the private sector to hire jobs via the multiplier effect. It also fosters economic growth through good policies, like an efficient tax system that provides incentives for domestic growth and production while making everyone pay their fair share, and through a regulatory system that keeps the private sector's power and wealth in check. Read a book, man.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Again, Bush average 5%, Obama 9%. It is democrats that are incompetent, not republicans.

bite down hard and you might realize that it's YOUR foot you are biting...

Sorry, just the opposite. Nice try though.

there's no place like NOME
there's no place like NOME
there's no place like NOME

(and it will be a cold day in mythical HELL before I vote for Willard)

Far be it from ME to stand up for that sack of SH IT Willard, but HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE HE WAS GUVURNUR? (and, YES, I can spell)

Well said Stand up....

Am I pleased with the current economic situation? No, absolutely not. If people had been bailed out instead of the banks and corporations, we'd be in much better shape. I believe it fits in with the interests of Big Business to keep people miserable, especially since their pool of illegal immigrants for cheap labor is shrinking. I'd like to see the statistic for the number of un- & underemployed. I did expect Obama to be bolder on this, earlier on his presidency.

Do I think Mitt Romney can deliver all those promises? We all know better. He's weak. He'll be captive of the oligarchs & the other Republicans who'll want to dismantle Everything and overturn Roe v Wade. Those people are truly terrifying. As soon as he would get in office, he'd explain that Obama made everything so much worse and couldn't tell until he took over so that recovery would take 30 more years.

How do you, as President, magically create 500,000 jobs a month?

Just sign an executive order?

Economics are more complicated than that. Or is Romney advocating some of that Massachusetts-type Socialism, where everyone will work for the government?

More silly-talk from a very silly man. His funny underwear must be on too tight.

Exactly, Mark Thomas.