"Heavy Artillery" indeed.

Staunch conservative (except at an all you can eat joint), who used the State helicopter to take him to his sons ball game!

They are calling in the " Heavy Artillery " !

More like a lose cannon!

aside from ad hominem attacks, What else do you have for him?

He went for the "Green Bay Buffet "..

Scotty's going to need more than Tele-Tubby's support to get him out of the mess he's in...."BYE BYE SCOTTY"

Scratch another VP contender from your lists.

I find it interesting that a man whose state lost 11,000 jobs last month is now supporting a guy whose state lost 23,000 jobs. Kind of like two losers comforting each other.

Classic republicans...party over country.

Hey Palm, Aren't you being a little "Heavy" handed?

Christie "larding" Walker huh? Wisconsinites aren't that hard up and stupid.

@Bob in Virginia#1.9: You don't say anything of substance, yet, you are calling others dimwitted. You, sir/madam, are a dunce. Stick ad hominem up your ultra tight rear.

It's one thing to disagree with an individual's opinions, but to make fun of their being rotund should be off-limits..is it too much to ask for people to actually bring up opposing views points that inspire legitimate discussion?

irenermiscione-1

Classic Republicans...party over country.

And that would be different from the Democrats how?

Kiss the VP slot ba-bye, Gov Christie. Cheering Scott Walker as a hero reflects who you are, too; oddly, both these GOPer governors have actually lost more jobs than they created. Misplaced economic priorities will do that.

Jody - You are so right. I think Christie would love to be VP but I doubt Romney would ever pick him. It would be a relationship like Bush and Cheney. Christie would tell Romney to shut up and go to his room.

Bob and Elliott? I couldn't care less about calling either names, etc. What I DO "have" on Walker is all the back room things he did before the big flare up with the Legislature. If you do some research, you will see how he gave huge tax breaks to out of state companies to "help bring jobs to WI" while in fact they have NOT. These companies were also not going to leave the state as Walker claimed to fear. It is a proven fact the state had a surplus until he gave all the tax breaks. If he is a hero and "saved the state" why did WI lose 23,900 jobs in the past year when most states are increasing jobs again.

But now look at all the new issues coming up regarding his hiring lawyers.– Milwaukee County files and computers missing; raids on the homes of Walker’s top aids; illegal campaigning by his top staff; that email from Walker to Russell [secretly gay veterans-fund embezzler] that no one seems willing to talk about; the mystery dumpster’o'fun; and now already very high legal bills topping in the neighborhood of $200,000 – well, that all points to one thing, at least if one is honest with themselves:

Scott Walker is in a world of hurt.
Now the lates is his appointment of a man who made large sums of money by not telling the state he owned shares in a biz, but helped direct a contract to the same company that cost the state millions.

So you guys tell me what YOU have.....

I agree about the personal attacks. Christie is the governor of my state, and he is a bully and a blatant opportunist. But the name-calling is a terrible idea.

There are many real issues you can take him to task for. He is a union-buster, he takes from the poor to give to the rich, he badmouths teachers, he's trying to destroy the public sector, and he is almost a match for Scott Walker.

So please don't make his appearance the focus of your comments. It makes you look bad, and it is really frivolous in the face of the havoc this guy is wreaking in NJ (and probably wouldn't mind wreaking nationally).

Christy is a self-serving opportunist with national political aspirations eager and willing to step on the little guy, repeatedly, to get what he wants. Nonetheless, he is a Republican political star and will help stir up Walker voters, and there are many in Wisconsin with Walker still leading in polls. He also has so much more billionaire money than his oponent will that it's like a David vs Golliath scenario. Of course he has been exposed for the walking cataclysm that he manifestly is and the state is nearly split politically.

With such an advantage going for the corporate fascists on the Republican side many imperiled Wisconsinites would appreciate some support from the national level as well. Having Bill Clinton and Joe Biden making visits sure would help correct that imbalance. Or at least some cash!

One loser supporting another loser...how utterly GOP-ish.

"The course that he pursued here in Wisconsin tells you a great deal about this man's character,"

How oh-so very true, Christie...but not in the way you'd really like it to be. His "character" is the most outstanding reason a recall effort has been mounted against him.

"There's a handful of special interests, particularly in Washington, that don't like it when we get in the way of power and money," Walker said.

You seem to give a free pass to the "power and money" of the Koch brothers when they're willing to support you, don't you Walker? But you were so easily fooled by a prank phone call. Duh...

Want to talk about the job losses so far during your tenure as Governor in WI, Walker? No? Didn't think you did. Perhaps you'd elaborate on the tax breaks you've handed out to out-of-state companies. No? How about the money you've diverted from schools to carry out your "agenda"? No? Denying the validity of WI college students identification to be able to vote? Again, no? You sure don't seem to want to stand on your record, do you Scott?

And this just for Bob in Virginia...the term "moonbat" is now exclusively owned by Newt Gingrich...you should really make an effort to stay more current. Wouldn't surprise me if he sends you a bill for using that term. Or...he may want to send you one of his valuable "Entrepreneurs of the Year" awards...just as soon as he cashes that $10K check he wants for it. No problem...I'm sure the Governor of YOUR state will float you a loan. He needs the business...he'll be out of a job soon, won't he?

They have to report it, corruption IS news. One corrupt governor supports another. I'm surprised our corrupt Kansas governor hasn't climbed aboard, he is at the top of Governors that is really messing up states. Kansas though make people jump through hoops before you can recall, and the Republicans know it!

They are just bright enough to spam the hate filled personal attack

So Bob -- you mean hate filled personal attack like -- union thugs?? As usual-- a conservative attempts to describe a liberal ends up describing himself.

This recall may be the least of Scott Walker's problems. Several of his top aids are facing criminal charges, Walker himself is the target of a grand jury and he's already set up a defense fund.

This is nothing more then a battle to save our states from the unmitigated corruption between unions and politicians. States are going broke from politicians buying political favors by giving away taxpayer money to the unions. If collective bargaining is so great for everyone, then why aren't Federal employee's allowed to do it? Or is that just another example in the long list of liberal hypocrisy?

For those who thinks Governor Walker has lost jobs from the state of Wisconsin since taking office, you could not be further from the truth.

From the Bureau of Labor and Statistics:

December 2010 (the last month before Walker took office)

• Labor force= 3,068.342
• Employed = 2,828,816
• Unemployed = 239,526
• Rate =7.8%

March 2012 (the last month of data published during Walkers governorship)

• Labor force = 3,064,170
• Employed = 2,856,643
• Unemployed = 207,527
• Rate = 6.8%

If my math skills are correct that is a reduction in the unemployment rate by 1% and an additional 32,000 jobs in only 15 months of work and it is lower unemployment than Obama's numbers. In fact, Walker is making Obama look better!

To my liberal friends, don't let the facts get in the way of a good lie.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST55000006?data_tool=XGtable

Imagine what Walker could accomplish if your union thugs actually got out of his way and helped him.

"The course that he pursued here in Wisconsin tells you a great deal about this man's character,"

Yes it does. It says he is dishonest shill for the Koch bros. he is the poster boy for what is wrong with the GOP. The prototypical Tea Bagger.

For those who thinks Governor Christie has lost jobs from the state of New Jersey since taking office, you could not be further from the truth.

From the Bureau of Labor and Statistics:

December 2009 (the last month before Christie took office)

• Labor force= 4,544,575
• Employed = 4,104,352
• Unemployed = 440,223
• Rate =9.7%

March 2012 (the last month of data published during Christie's governorship)

• Labor force = 4,573,650
• Employed = 4,160,939
• Unemployed = 412,711
• Rate = 9.0%

If my math skills are correct that is a reduction in the unemployment rate by 0.7% and an additional 28,000 jobs.

Thought I would include New Jersey in case you Liberals went right to deflect and lie mode.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST34000003?data_tool=XGtable

The usual Right wing talking points-blaming policemen,firemen,teachers and public workers for $$$$$$$$$$$(speech) problems. How did these heroes become scape goats? Failed Governor Scott Walker went after the intellectual infrastructure and at the same time gave more tax cuts to corporations. There are so many terrible Right Wing nutjob governors (see Arizona, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Michigan, Kansas and Iowa) that really takes a major loser to be the worst. Failed Governor Scott Walker has stooped to that level. RECALL FAILED GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER. He can the visit the Koch brothers with his free time unless he's in jail.

To Jody in Iowa who wrote:

Kiss the VP slot ba-bye, Gov Christie. Cheering Scott Walker as a hero reflects who you are, too; oddly, both these GOPer governors have actually lost more jobs than they created. Misplaced economic priorities will do that.

See posts 1.25 and 1.27 and please recant your lie. You should be ashamed of yourself and embarrassed by repeating a lie that is convenient for your political dogma.

I thought Iowa was bastion of public education systems, but apparently simple math exceeds your ability and reveals the true quality of Iowa's education system.

@ realist pondering, you wrote:

RECALL FAILED GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER.

How has he failed? You have lower unemployment. You have gone from $3.2 Billion deficit to a balanced budget. You can argue the difference in accounting practices (cash or GAAP) but be careful, Obama and the Democrats prefer the Cash method as well - seems to be a requirement for politicians.

Unrational AmeriCAN'T: You couldn't be farther from the truth. You're not only counting job growth from Dec 2010 before Walker took office, but also Jan, Feb, March before any real economic measures were taken by Walker. The March 2011 to March 2012 are a much better indicator of Wisconsin's jobs picture under Walker's policies. Jobs numbers from Dec 2010-March 2011 are pretty much 100% Gov Doyle's policies still in effect.

"You should be ashamed of yourself and embarrassed by repeating a lie that is convenient for your political dogma."

I think this belongs to you.

People are tired of electing politicians who suddenly do things in office they've never shared on the campaign trail. The only thing that gives people any weight in their rights as a worker is their ability to speak as a group and negotiate. Minimizing the jobs of teachers, first responders, etc. is shameful.

1. Do you really want a teacher for your child who works for $10 an hour and gets no benefits?
2. Do you really want to start paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to send your child to elementary school?
3. Do you want to write a monthly check to the Dept of Sanitation for garbage pickup?
4. Do you want to be billed anytime you call a policeman?

This is where Walker's policies and those of Republicans are going. They have buddies that want to take over these enterprises and who'll cut them in for the favor.

I'm proud of Wisconsin and Ohio for seeing the light and rejecting these corporate mascots.

TO: Bob in Virginia-5210392 who wrote:

"All the moonbats have is ad hominem attacks....

Of course, they arent bright enough to know what "ad hominem" means...

They are just bright enough to spam the hate filled personal attacks provided by Media Matters and other assorted Soros-paid lefties..."

As usual Republicans remain dazed and confused on every issue.

In case you haven't been listening, and because of Republicans' constant "ad hominem" attacks against President Obama the only thing Republicans ever listen to Rush Limbaugh hate speech, We The People have a very good reason for being against Scott Walker and all the rest of the Republican GOP Loons, it's because of Walker's attack on Working Americans and his determination to eliminate not only Employee Unions, but to also support repeal of the minimum wage, as if we Working Americans don't have it tough enough already!

Speaking of "ad hominem" Republicans have no idea what their own party is advocating OTHER THAN hate speech and everything BAD for American Workers and everything GOOD only for the rich!

Get real and wise up! Vote a straight Democratic Ticket this November!

Obama / Biden 2012

To Steve from WisCAN'Tsin, who wrote:

The March 2011 to March 2012 are a much better indicator of Wisconsin's jobs picture under Walker's policies. Jobs numbers from Dec 2010-March 2011 are pretty much 100% Gov Doyle's policies still in effect.

You want the stats from March 2011 to March 2012, OK, pardner!

March 2011, three months after Governor Walker was sworn in and affecting the Wisconsin economy the employment numbers are as such:

• Workforce = 3,070,312
• Employed = 2,838,145
• Unemployed= 232,167
• Rate 7.6%

March 2012

• Labor force = 3,064,170
• Employed = 2,856,643
• Unemployed = 207,527
• Rate = 6.8%

So in the last 12 months, Governor Walker's policies have lowered the unemployment rate 0.8% and added 25,000 jobs.

By your own post you consider this his doing. That must have been informative for you. Sorry if this embarrasses you or causes you any shame.

I throw the BS flag on BLUE BURNER who wrote:

Do you really want a teacher for your child who works for $10 an hour and gets no benefits?

Neither does Walker's budget. It calls for teachers to pay a small portion of their benefits like most Americans do. It gives them skin in the game and makes the teachers more likely to side with a cost effective benefits package instead of a union provided package at inflated prices.

Are you a union thug, blue burner? Drop the hyperbole.

Walker is already $200 grand in the hole supporting his criminal attorney habit... very soon we will be calling him "convict Walker" instead of governor.

Walker's Policy impact on employment in Wisconsin from the Bureau of Labor and Statistics (A federal institution):

Month / Workforce / Employed / Unemployed / Rate

2011 Mar /3070312/ 2838145 /232167 / 7.6

2011 Apr / 3067707 / 2836190 /231517 /7.5

2011 May /3063898 /2831604 /232294/ 7.6

2011 Jun / 3060386 / 2826899 / 233487 / 7.6

2011 Jul / 3058088 / 2824515 / 233573 / 7.6

2011 Aug / 3057357 / 2825784 / 231573 / 7.6

2011 Sep /3057366 /2829775 /227591 / 7.4

2011 Oct /3057248 /2834554 /222694 / 7.3

2011 Nov /3056534 /2838869 /217665 / 7.1

2011 Dec /3056367 /2843199 /213168 / 7.0

2012 Jan /3054610 /2844542 /210068 / 6.9

2012 Feb /3059442 /2849581 /209861 /6.9

2012 Mar /3064170(P) /2856643(P) /207527(P) /6.8

P : Preliminary.

Seems to me that if you WisCANTsinites can work with him and give him some time he will make you guys a prosperous state again.

I find it interesting that a man whose state lost 11,000 jobs last month is now supporting a guy whose state lost 23,000 jobs. Kind of like two losers comforting each other.

What does that make Obama?

TO: Mark L-464288 who wrote:

I find it interesting that a man whose state lost 11,000 jobs last month is now supporting a guy whose state lost 23,000 jobs. Kind of like two losers comforting each other.

What does that make Obama?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have a better question, what does that make Republicans, George W. Bush, and now Mitt Romney who lost MILLIONS of American Jobs, and in the case of Mitt Romney, shipped millions of American Jobs Overseas?

Get real will ya!

President Obama gets credit for millions of jobs IN SPITE of Republicans constantly trying to stall our recovery and slow down the pace of job creation. Republicans have been doing NOTHING BUT trying to force failure on America and the American (Working) People!

Republicans not only lose everytime, the love to lose and love to force America and American Workers to lose!

Obama / Biden 2012

We are now up to 5 former senior aids to Scott Walker, when he was Country Executive in Milwaukee, being indited for illegal fundraising while on county time.

There are two possibilities. Either Walker new about it and could end up indited himself. Or, he didn't know about it, in which case, it would be valid suggest that not knowing what your senior aids was doing indicated that he was incompetent.

It serves as additional food for thought that he was barred from running for President of student government during his non completed tenure at Marquette University because his staff engaged in the same behavior.

His first months in office were marked by embarrassing attempts to reward campaign supporters with high paying State positions, a number of which had to be withdrawn when they were revealed to have no qualifications for the position.

All of these paint a portrait of someone who is not fit to serve in the office of Governor of the State of Wisconsin.

TO: Rational AmeriCAN who wrote:

"Seems to me that if you WisCANTsinites can work with him and give him some time he will make you guys a prosperous state again."

Republicans just refuse to hear the voices of American Workers!

Scott Walker ALREADY did his "thing" in Wisconsin, which is exactly why the people want him OUT!

Scott Walker has tried to destroy Employee Unions that watch over American Workers to make sure we are paid a decent wage and have quality affordable heath care. Scott Walker doesn't want that, Scott Walker tried to lower wages for American Workers and eliminate quality affordable health care for American Workers!

Scott Walker has tried to create a "brick wall" in between the People of Wisconsin.

Scott Walker is outta there!

Republicans just don't get it, American Workers will NOT vote for politicians who are working AGAINST us!

You'll be forced to hear the voices of American Workers this November!

Just say NO to Republicans' stagnant wages and Republican denial of affordable health care for all Americans! Vote a straight Democratic Ticket this November!

Obama / Biden 2012

According to today's Wisconsin State Journal walker has over 13 million dollars that he has collected by constatly travelling over the past twelve months. 64% is out of state contributions, 10% of the remainder is from out of state businesses doing business in Wisconsin. $174,000 has gone to his criminal lawyers due to his on-going John Doe investigation problems.

Wisconsin is dead last in job creation since he has become Governor and 3 million dollars in the hole on the budget (under General Accounting Principles).

Our education system is in tatters with huge class size increases, the old and impoverished have become more so and doctor now have to have cameras on them when advising women on abortions.

Tell me honestly, why would anyone vote for him? He hasn't been in the state, he is the puppet of his rich out-of-state donors, our ecomony sucks under his policies and our children are going woefully uneducated. Add to that he is under investigation and will probably see an indictment (like six of his direct aides) by September. Lord, what a disaster.

You have job growth weemee.

Per your own numbers you have a $3million hole in your budget.

Those are pretty good reasons to vote for Walker.

See Illinois for comparison.

American Girl,

Republicans just refuse to hear the voices of American Workers!

But you refuse to hear the facts. Lower unemployment in Wisconsin and a balanced budget. Walker will win the recall election.

I won't even bother wasting my time trying to convince the leftists who spew their lies and false claims of how wrong they are, but instead I will challenge these same people to pick the outcome of the June 5th recall race. I predict Scott Walker wins by 5-10% over the democratic challenger, likely to be Tom Barnett. Unlike most of you, I actually live here in Wisconsin and KNOW what is going on. The rest get their talking points from the propaganda ministry. By the way, it was Walker who turned in the slug for stealing from the vets fund, also the John Doe has not turned up 1 thing on Walker, nor will they ever as there is nothing to find. Too Bad, so sad for you lib's.

Rational AmeriCAN...(isn't that a freakin joke!)

Your as lost and misinformed as the rest of the Republican Party in this country. Please tell me you really aren't falling for those numbers. The decline in the unemployed numbers are a direct result of thousands of Wisconsin unemployed falling off the statistical wagon due to running out of benefits. How convenient! If any jobs were net gained during this time period...they were of the McDonalds/Walmart variety...which are not replacement for the lifestyle sustaining manufacturing and professional jobs lost. Get your facts straight you GOP loser! I can't wait until November 6, 2012 when we will rid this country of all the GOP/TP scumbags! Walker wont be able to get a job scooping elephant $hit @ the circus! Obama/Biden 2012

Walker is now using his recall campaign contributions, two thirds of which come from outside Wisconsin, to pay his lawyers that are defending him in the "John Doe" case of corruption against him. Isn't that diversion of funds just another legal problem for him?

I have a simple question for the rational american: if Walker is so great for the state and wanted so vehemently by the people within that state then why are more than 50% of his contributions from out of state? Wouldn't all those people who's jobs he created be itching to donate to his campaign?

Hard-I know you hope Failed Governor Scott Walker holds on but the 1,000,000+ signatures on the recall petitions are many more than the votes Failed Governor Scott Walker received in 2010. 2010-the year that will be highlighted in history as the year in politics when a deluded small radical group (Tea Baggers) was manipulated by $$$$$$$$$$(speech) to help elect the worst candidates in one election in history. The Recall of Failed Governor Scott Walker is the first step in correcting this embarrassment.

I have a simple question for the rational american: if Walker is so great for the state and wanted so vehemently by the people within that state then why are more than 50% of his contributions from out of state?

Great question basedrum777 - I will answer it with a question of my own. How much money to recall Walker came from outside Wisconsin - from public employee Unions, from private employee Unions?

And you now have your answer. Wisconsin is a proxy fight between Union's who want to continue to fleece the taxpayer for as much money as possible and those who wish to curb their power and balance their budgets.

I remember the Teacher's Union in Wisc has its own benefits company and the state was required to purchase employee benefits from this Union company. No competition was allowed. As soon as Walker's policies were upheld, the Union Benefits company slashed their prices to match the lowest quote saving the state big money. Now if you cannot see how that is good for Wisconsin's taxpayers then there is no hope for you.

Hope this helps. Have a great day.

@ realist pondering -

Hard-I know you hope Failed Governor Scott Walker holds on but the 1,000,000+ signatures on the recall petitions are many more than the votes Failed Governor Scott Walker received in 2010.

As is typical by democrats you are assuming a static situation. You are assuming that everything will stay the same and that more people in total won't turn out to vote either way. Of Wisconsin's 4.4 million voting age people only half turned out in 2010 and Governor Walker received 1,127,798 votes.

@ Mucker (nice insult, typical democrat)

Your (should be "you are") as lost and misinformed as the rest of the Republican Party in this country. Please tell me you really aren't falling for those numbers.

Lacking any other data it is all I have. What do you have?

That said. I agree with you. The employment numbers are a bit of a slight of hand because it does not count the underemployed nor those who gave up looking.

Which means you don't believe Obama's numbers either. Right Mucker? You can't have it both ways. So either we accept the Bureau of Labor's Statistics or we have to call bull@!$%# on President Obama. Your choice, sir. I am good with either one. Either Walker lowered unemployment or Obama is a liar.

You pick it.

Dear Liberals -

I have posted facts with links and citations. You continue to repeat the dogma of your propaganda ministry and most of you lap it up. And you typically strike back at me with insults when presented with facts. If you think that makes you look particularly smart, I disagree. I think it makes you look petty and rather pathetic, but to each her own.

Know this, a broke state will never prosper. It is your decision on June 5. More wild debts, more emboldened unions, less accountable politicians and so on or choose a different path.

Your state is counting on you to examine the facts for your selves. To decide which path is right for Wisconsin - High taxes, vilified employers, beholden to unions or a balanced budget and lower taxes that attract employers to your state.

What you choose will determine your course for the next 50 years so choose wisely and enjoy sleeping in the bed you help make.

Peace.

Let's throw out a hypothetical for consideration for a minute.

Let's say Walker is recalled and replaced with a Democrat. What will the new governor do? Will he repeal Walkers biennial Balanced Budget? Doesn't have that power. Will he convince the legislators to change the law back to a tax and spend spree. Would he try to squeeze the toothpaste back into the tube and let the Unions rape the taxpayers again? How would that look?

"Gee whiz Wisconsinites, we have a balanced or nearly balanced budget but you told us to get out the credit card and charge that sucker up, so here we go. Special interests line up over here and have your hands out. If you need help getting that money in your car we have some Teamsters to help but they will require a big TIP."

Think it through folks.

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Since when did Republicans set wages in this country, American Girl? I thought the free market did that (and Democrats setting the minimum wage.)

i WOULD HAVE TO QUESTION YOUR MONIKER OF RATIONALE your everything but. Maybe they want to stop the Anti American Worker Republicans obviously they do not represent the majority.

And yes i am union and no i really don't care what you or anyone else say's thats my deciseon not yours .But as a working man you can bet we don't live in poverty and my boss does't treat me like i am inferior

Hey UAW,

BTW - rational means that I consider the facts, consider the outcomes, the pros and cons and make up my own mind. Did you make up your mind or did the UAW tell you what to think?

I worked for Ford Motor Company for many years and I am well aware of the UAW. Even as an evil executive, I still have many friends in the UAW and still buy Fords. But that said, I have to ask, do you treat your boss as an inferior to you? Because I can tell countless stories of UAW folks using their heavy handed tactics to make life hell on salaried people.

I was fortunate to work with a business friendly union that understood what they had to do to keep and attract work and it was really wonderful to work with them. Across town, however, a different plant had a die hard union attitude and they are shut down now.

I love telling the story of employees from the shutdown plant coming over to the surviving plant to work only to have a fellow union person put their arms around their shoulders and whisper, "If you @!$%# my plant up like you did your, you will die!"

So keep up your dogma. Good luck having a job after all the jobs leave. And make no bones about it uaw779887 - they will leave.

irrational american - you have made a case for Obama's re-election, not for the preservation of a right wing zealot whose goal is to destroy public education.

Free market + right of free association. You forgot the second part.

And while your at it, since you are so rational, why don't you tell us exactly what the free market is?

oh, and republickans have been trying to set wages since rotten ronnie busted the Air Traffic Controllers Union.

Jim D - welcome to the Liberal Soundbyte Parade.

Let's talk minimum wage shall we. The minimum wage was intended to ensure that people are not taken advantage of based on their economic, racial or other standing in society. A holy appropriate and benevolent goal. But within the confines of the free market where people are free to work where they want and to move about the country in pursuit of those desires, free to change careers by improving ones experience or knowledge, or free to do whatever they want, a minimum wage only does one thing - it causes inflation that hurts every wage earner.

Let's use the tired example of a McDonald's teenage worker. When I was a boy I worked their and earned the minimum wage of $3.35/hr. My daughter earned $7.25 when she started working there a couple years ago. For simplicity sake lets just say the wage doubled in 25 years but what happened to the prices during that time, have they doubled? Absolutely. McDonalds had to inflate their labor costs into their prices and all of their suppliers did the same thing. The minimum wage increases are always consumed by the inflation that always occurs immediately after it takes effect.

I am sure you remember what a histogram looks like, remember the bell curve? You were probably on the left of that curve but I digress. So lets draw a histogram of all wage earners in the USA. What does it look like? Well it looks pretty darned normal, meaning there is an average or mean and there is a standard deviation. Now lets give the lowest wage earners an increase to something like $10 an hour. What happens?

First there is a bump on the low end of the curve as the wages increase, but then the curve begins to shift to the right. The same people are still on the left hand side of the curve that were there before the increase.

The FREE MARKET does that. It is free to move and shift and it always does.

Unions like to negotiate fixed wages with COLAs but what happens in the free market, JimD? Companies are free to move their factories and they do. Companies are not beholden to Countries, they are multinational. They are beholden to their stockholders. Period.

Just as you are as a consumer to freely choose which products and services you will buy. And most folks buy the best value which is price and quality they are willing to pay for. They are free to make this choice. (Except Obamacare, right!)

So fixing wages or setting minimum wages is a dumb thing because it does nothing to improve the standing of the poorest wage earners (it is not a living wage and is below the poverty line ( $7.25 x 2080 hours full time = <$15K a year) AND it only serves to impart inflation into the economy.

A better way to have a minimum wage is to have none at all. The person is free to accept working for $0.25 an hour or not. If a business will not pay a competitive wage then they will soon be out of business because they will not have employees. Simple as that. Or put another way, I will give you $100 to dig a pool in my backyard. You say "NO" as you should, its not a competitive wage. Then I offer you $500. And again you say NO until we finally agree on a price (or wage in this case). That is a free market. I am free to pay whatever I want and you are free to accept it, refuse it or negotiate it.

I can go on ad nauseum, but I know you are not reading this with any sort of comprehension necessary to have a debate, so have a positively wonderful Friday, JimD.

BTW - when President Reagan fired the ATC it was because they were in a direct violation of their contract. An illegal strike (not authorized by the contract) makes the contract null and void and the signers are free to conduct themselves how they see fit. I had a plant strike against the language of their contract once. The national union reminded the locals they were about to all be fired and absolve their contract, let's just say they reconsidered their action. We will close that plant in the next 2 years.

Wage fixing is a republican thing in your mind but not a union thing. Interesting. Do you see black helicopters outside your house and men following you too?

Throw them both out with the same dirty-GOP-dishwater!

NDR--- Good one!

It's coming, beware, it lives in your sewers, and it feeds of the people...

The NJ Blob/Slob! C.Christie, the one man/thong that will support any other freeloader in politics.

I can see why CC doesn't like Obamacare. It will make he lose all that fat on his blubbering azz.

http://philly.barstoolsports.com/files/2012/02/fat-christie.jpg

I live in Wisconsin and it's quite the opposite actually. My taxes went down for the first time in years. We are taking jobs from Illinois and surrounding states. The only areas that aren't doing as well are the big cities run by Democrats. I love how everyone talks about his "outside interests" as the liberals don't have any... for obama lets see... George Soros, Unions, Socialist Donors, "green energy" lobyists, minority special interest groups, anti oil groups.. the list goes on and on. ALL politicians have money flowing into them. Just come out and say you don't like his politics and I am fine with that. To pretend that your liberal candidates are above all that is ridiculous.

Steve-you are the voter Scott walker is looking for. He can fool you with short sentences and one syllable words. Bon appetit.

For the rest of Wisconsin-RECALL FAILED GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER-stop the smearing of teachers, police, firefighters and public workers as the "rich evil elite". Remember his law denying women equal pay.

According to failed Governor Scott Walker the union workers are evil rich elitists. They must be tax dodgers with accounts in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland? Someone is lying and they aren't very good at it.

Well at least the liberal logic is plain to see in all these diatribes. All they think needs to be done is raising taxes. Raise taxes on the rich, on corporations, on everyone that has more then they do. They ignore the fact that since NAFTA was signed by Bill Clinton, companies have fled this country for regions that are far more business friendly. Even Audi chose Mexico over the US to build a new plant. None of those jobs are coming back, so liberals just want to bleed anyone and everything that remains.

Pretty soon the states along with this once great nation will be flat broke. As if we aren't already. Then who are you going to tax? Even the liberal poster boy Warren Buffet is fighting the government over a billion dollars in back taxes he says he doesn't owe. Politicians from both sides of the isle have squandered this nation for personal and political gain, and either someone starts the process of cleaning it up, or we wait for it to crumble.

As opposed to? .... simple minded conservatives who think the answer to ALL our problems is lower taxes (on people & corporations who don't need them) and less regulation, which got us into this mess in the first place? Yes, sound logic ... NOT

TO: Rick-3416939 who wrote:

"Well at least the liberal logic is plain to see in all these diatribes. All they think needs to be done is raising taxes..."

Well, how do Republicans propose to pay the bills without money, by closing down American Schools!

Now Republicans want to provide "wealth and prosperity" to a "limited" number of Americans.

Republcians "plan" is to deprive American Workers any chance of a quality of life by lowering and/or stagnating our wages and eliminating any chance of the American People having quality affordable health care!

Republicans don't have and never had a CLUE of how to operate the United States Economy, and Republicans have absolutely no sense of fairness towards American Workers!

Obama / Biden 2012

so, does George Soros fund you Union hacks? Do you want higher taxes, more unemployment, underwater mortgages, higher gas prices? Looks like the Dems dont have a clue either.

ABO 2012

Some of you simply refuse to get it. The jobs are GONE. They have left this country and they are not coming back. NAFTA signed into law by Bill Clinton signaled the end of the manufacturing base in this country. Fewer jobs means a smaller base to tax, it is that simple. If you want to drive what is left from this country raise taxes, take it all and wait to see how far it gets you.

We need more jobs in this country. More people paying into our tax system not just bleeding those that already do. We need total tax reform and not some targeted political scams that are always being suggested. We need actual spending cuts and not pretend reductions in future spending increases. Government is simply not capable for being everything to everyone.

Our government is completely out of control at all levels. It is as corrupt as ever. Why else would someone want to raise millions of dollars to campaign for a job in congress that pays less then 200K if the perks, benefits, and IOU's weren't worth a whole lot more? But if Obama says blame the rich, blame big oil, blame the republicans, his supporters fight for a seat on that wagon. There is lies the problem, perception versus reality.

GOP President Norquist .. will tell Christi where to go and who to support ..Christie does nothng without the ok of Limbaugh and Norquist and of course those two do nothing with out the approval of the Koch Bros

your right Rick ... pay everyone a minimum wage ..educate only the rich and there will be lots of jobs

Gee Rick, you sure repeat yourself a lot.. but you leave out just a few details.

Lets give credit where credit is due. Yes Clinton signed the bill but see below who was BEHIND the bill.

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S.

Bush tried to fast track it so he could sign it but he ran out of time. For you to keep parroting the line about Clinton and your feeble attempt to pin the deal on him is really pretty pathetic. He didn't have the votes to override even if he wanted to do so.

Well, rick, NAFTA was a done deal before Clinton took office. It got held up suddenly because the Canadians refused to sign, so Poppa Bushie had to leave office before his legislation became law. Clinton, as he did too often, made a mistake by believing that republickans had the country's interest at heart, rather than the Corporation's interest.

That said, it is also true that too many democrats have the corporations interests at heart, but they have not yet become the complete neo-fascists (the wealthy, i.e., corporations, should run the country: see Mussolini) as have the GOPiggies.

And by the way, rick, if not for the rich, if not for big oil, if not for wall street, where is that money coming from that corrupts congress?

"I, for one" Must be the phrase of the day that is stuck in no jo's mind.

What will you do if the opposite happens no jo; graciously congratulate your President on his well deserved win?

No the issues include: he treats his voters like they owe him something, tells reporters to "take a bat" to a legislator he disagreed with, claimed to save the state while it lost 11,000 jobs last month, took a helicopter to his son's softball game, then took a state car for the remaining 300 feet to the stands and then the fact that he truly believes he is above reproach. Don't worry about those of us who see him as a bully - we are making sure we raise our kids to respect the rights of others, unlike most republicans.

I, for one, cannot wait for November. This board will have nothing but the ravings of infantile, thwarted cult members.

Blow Jo - You must be referring to the teabaggers.

Obama/Biden - 2012

Nojo nutjob liar:

In case you haven't noticed, Christie cost your state THOUSANDS of jobs by putting the kibosh on the tunnel project, and it seems he cooked the books as well to prove his point. I wonder just how long before he's indicted for improprieties...I'm sure it's in his future, as he is nothing but a crook lawyer.

Oh, then there is the lying...you should be very familiar with Christies lying, right? Seems he fell asleep at a Bruce Springsteen concert, and got caught...not by TPM, not by HuffPo, not by MediaMatters...but by the New York Post...OOPS!

...but he was just meditating, right?

Oh oh...then there's the little ditty of the State Troopers taking some high profile luxury cars on a high speed game of "tag you're it" down the GSP, endangering thousands of motorists...but he knew nothing about it, right?

...sure he did'nt...

So, nojo...take your fingers out of the fan blades and realize that if there were recall elections on New Joisey, Christie would be dog meat...

LOLOL...did I just say "dog meat"?

There's your cue, nutbag...have at it.

Mickey, touche'.

I, for one, cannot wait for November. This board will have nothing but the ravings of infantile, thwarted cult members.

I, for one, will enjoy it.

No Jo - I couldn't agree with you more but not for the same reason. Going back and reviewing the posts on this thread, it appears that you don't have too many fans but, please, do come back and see us after the election.

No Jo - keep it up. These idiots libs are going to eat crow.

They already eat BS from our President so crow might taste good to them.

"Seems he fell asleep at a Bruce Springsteen concert, and got caught...not by TPM, not by HuffPo, not by MediaMatters...but by the New York Post...OOPS!"

Who cares, it's a concerts and Bruce sucks and so does your state. I was in White Plains two weeks ago, two words-Sh!t hole

"Oh oh...then there's the little ditty of the State Troopers taking some high profile luxury cars on a high speed game of "tag you're it" down the GSP, endangering thousands of motorists...but he knew nothing about it, right?"

How would the Governor know this? That would be like Obama knowing about "Fast and Furious", wait, you might be right on that. If Christie knew about what state troopers do than Obama would know about the gun running right? Of course you are...................

Like the eating dog thing, kind of bit you Liberals in the @ss for ragging on Romney for putting a dog on the roof of a car.

JH,

I heard dog taste good too...............at least they get their source of protein

Even if there was any legitimate issues to criticize, these guys aren't smart enough or are too lazy to know what Christie's policies are, what decisions he made and the consequences of his decisions. So of course the best they can do is petty personal put downs. So sophomoric.

Living in a liberal state rather than WI, I can understand why there is a recall for Walker. He kept a campaign promise. He saved the state millions of dollars from union corruption and waste.

Paul - Florida - just to help you a little....White Plains is in New YORK...not New JERSEY....Copius Christie is Gov of New JERSEY...and yes he sez he was meditating.....probably wondering whether he could make it to the buffet line after the Springsteen concert.....let's see.....Golden Corral or Atlantic City....who do I want to bankrupt next.......

Wow the liberals collapsed No Jo, what a surprise. No freedom of speech on this site, its the lemming mentality of liberal thinking. Either you agree with us or we will try and prevent others from reading it. As if blocking the truth on a liberal site like msnbc is really going to have an impact. Like the saying goes, you can fool an Obama supporter all of the time, but the rest of the people just aren't that gullible.

Walker is obviously looking out for the best interest of the people of Wisconsin, so lets hope he prevails for the good of the country.

To combat the liberal collapse police I just open the post and read it anyway.

Bullies are the bane of society, take a look in the mirror "benevolent" liberals.

Go Rick! Funny how the Libs criticize ONE helicopter ride when Owebama uses the Presidential jet at $180, 000/ hr to campaign and raise enormous amounts of money from his 1%. Here in calif we are in a similiar battle with Public employee unions bleeding the state income. Our Gov Brown wants to tax us to death: meaning further job migration outside of our State causing cont unemployment. and mysery to the taxpayors.

Oh lets not point out liberal hypocrisy as they will never admit to it. Even if it is prevalent throughout politics on both sides of the isle. Washington is set up to facilitate those that work there, and those politically connected. Everything else our Washington elite do for the masses is for show.

Liberals are just dumb enough to think Obama actually cares more about them then the last president. Simply because Obama talks a good game seems to mean he is working for them. What Obama has done for politics is teach the masses that it is better to blame someone else, then offer real solutions.

We need a balanced budget amendment as no amount of promises has ever solved a thing. We need term limits in Congress and an end to the perks and benefits that has turned Washington into a cesspool of corruption. We need tax reform and entitlement reform, because there is no more room for band aids. This country is certainly not on the right path with Obama, but don't expect anything to change until voters finally decide to take the country away from the politicians.

That tunnel that no joe is talking about was paid for mostly by the New York Port Authority and the federal government. It is a much needed piece of infrastructure improvement that would have had more than ten thousand people living and paying taxes in New Jersey, while working and earning money in Manhattan. It was basically a free ride for New Jersey, and the project had already spent over 100 million dollars. That money and the benefits to New Jersey are now down the drain, because Mr. Nasty, governor Christie, didn't want his state's smaller share of the total cost to go to hire union construction workers.

Christie doesn't think things through very well, and that is one problem with him. There are plenty of other things wrong with this bully besides his weight.

But, on his weight, if he was picked to be Romney's running mate it would create a great Laurel and Hardy combination. A tall, skinny, stupid one paired with a short, very rotund, and very nasty one. A vote for Romney/Christie is a vote for Laurel and Hardy, and since the Republican party motto is "backwards to the Great Depression", it's a quite fitting metaphor.

Rick, stop being such a idiot. "saved the state from union corruption"?? Hmmm, please tell me or prove to me that allowing the union members to pay by payroll deduct saved the state money? Nothing more than a move to kill unions.

They agreed to pay more for their benefits, but he wanted blood and went for it.

As you for you guys who keep tossing out Sorros name.. HILARIOUS... he pales in comparison to the money the Koch Bros have flooded the country. That being said, we are talking about a state GOV... NOT the Pres. I'm sure it doesn't bother you at all where the money comes from. I would THINK if he is so loved, it would be from residents. I personally think it is a matter of time before he is gone from the stage. He may win the recall, but just look what he has done to your state... Divided the state to the point of both sides being so full of hate for the other. Gee, that would make a good tourist brochure... NOT.

Candice, contracts can be amended. Is it possible to reopen the contracts or does your state prefer to use the poor and professional salaries as bargaining chips?

Yes, contracts can be amended......but shouldn't be amended easily.

Contracts, to me, are solid promises and should be honored pretty much regardless. But the unions need to reform going forward. They refuse to accept the idea that they can't promise pension plans (when the current pension system is broken). They can't promise lifetime healthcare and retirement at 55. If going forward, new hires had benefits similar to the private sector, they'd not put such a heavy burden on the state. Unions won't go for that.

In the meantime, mental health facilities closed, medicaid will be cut and health care providers will be shorted. To appease the unions, the people most in need will be, and are being, discarded.

Gov Walker chose tax cuts for the rich over programs that would have benefited the rest of the state's public and private sector workers. Cutting revenues by rewarding those who already have is the worst economic policy ever devised by the GOP. Unions are not the cause of lost jobs; they never were nor will they ever be. Want to talk class warfare, well, the GOP has been pitting workers against other workers for 30 years and sadly one segment of the population bought it lock, stock and barrel and even more sadly, the cost of buying that GOP produce has been stagnant and declining wages for 90% of Americans while the wealthiest 10% gained even more. You don't have to be a liberal, a democrat, a pro-union person to study the facts of this.

What ever happened to the old concept of negotiating with your political opposition?

Governor Quinn chose to impose the highest corporate tax rate in the nation and raised the sales tax by 63%. Illinois businesses that would have benefited the rest of the state's workers by employing them, have since left in droves. No one (including President Obama) believes that raising taxes when the economy is still fragile or recovering is a good idea.

The unions have been pitting workers against employers and workers against workers for years. And so both sides are stuck to their sides. Policies of both the Democrats and Republicans contributed to the decline of middle income wages and increases for the wealthy. There's lots of reasons for the disparity and they are not just political.

Democrats, for the most part, wrote most of the tax laws that you claim enable the wealthy to be wealthy. I think you'll find, if you look, more disinterest by the Democrats to change those laws than they want you to see.

The GOP was never a monarchy. If the Democrats have been unable overcome obstacles and perform for the people, maybe we should find less inept Democrats. Republicans that were incapable of stopping irresponsible policy -we should probably replace, too.

Candice you are spot on, Im here in IL as well. and could only dream of having a republican Gov. Our state is a classic example of what happens when public sector Unions are rewarded with contracts for the voting support. We have seen our property values drop and the property taxes increased the past 4 years. We have seen this because the public sector Union contracts have continued to call for more and more from the real taxpayers. That is the problem that Walker and Christy see and that is public sector Unions have gotten out of hand with unsustainable wages, benefits and pensions. Unions are great for the 15% of the folks and their families in them, for the other 85% of the folks not in them, they do nothing but increase the cost of each and every single product, service and tax we purchase or pay, it really is that simple. Public sector Unions have and continue to increase the burdens on the true taxpayers of this country. Here in IL, our household income dropped a few thousand this year yet thanks to our Democratic Gov and the underfunded Union Pensions we have paid more in state taxes. This is what the Democratic party and Public Sector Unions do, they continue to drive up costs and force unsustainable contracts via strike threats. This school year isn't even over and we are already hearing of teachers in some districts threatening strikes next year. Here in IL, We have a retired professor at the University of Chicago, pension is $400,000 plus a year, we have retired teachers banking $100k pensions all over. Im looking to have a bumper sticker that states, "we have no kids, yet our money goes towards educating and feeding an anchor baby at school district u365". Funny to see all the public sector supporters name calling all the time.

Loyaltexan.......the art of negotiating and compromise...ask the G "NO" P......

"What ever happened to the old concept of negotiating with your political opposition?"

It went the way of collective bargaining in WI. You may also want to talk to the tea party republicans, who have proudly made compromise an act of treason in their party, thus making any form of negotiation almost impossible.

Upset: sort of like Obamacare forced down our throats? Passing legislation that nobody read. Pelosi famous comment come to mind? It's unethical for a Union to use it's members funds to achieve political gain because they negotiate with those they put into power and thus get overcompensated.

Jody,Iowa...., quit pretending to know what is going on in Wisconsin. I live here, know whats going on, you don't, anymore than I truly know about Iowa politics. You hear sensational stories but no actual facts. Wisconsin workers, yes that includes teachers, are better off now than under the walking, talking turd, Jim Doyle, who let the unions screw Wisconsin tax payers out of $100's of millions in overpriced health care insurance for their rank and file. Today they get the same coverage for much, much less. This is a fact but of course the media won't report that.

Everyone. watch this if you want a glimpse of what is ruining this country...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

IT seems that for Republicans it's OK for the Republican Politicians to be bought by people and companies that seek to dismantle the middle class, promote racism,degrade the status of women in our society.And finally attempt to engage in a holy war waged by people that have no concept of Gods word. The comment's that i see here by Republicans must have Jesus rolling in his grave

Candice - If I remember correctly, the unions conceded to every demand that

GT,

Why yes they did!

How many jobs have been lost in WI thanks to the weasel Walker policies?

This guy is bought & paid for by the Koch Brothers - who doesn't remember the infamous prank call Walker fell for?

Candice has tunnel vision. She sees only what she wants to see, divorced from all reality.

Well said.

who doesn't remember the infamous prank call Walker fell for?

Feisty - Oooooh, I forgot about the phone call!!!

Scotty's also lawyering up with criminal atty's.. Would love to see what's going on behind closed doors at the Attorney Generals office....

Hey, GT. I don't live in Wisconsin so I don't know the nitty gritty of the negotiations between Walker and the unions. I've heard different versions from different sides, and you certainly can't believe everything you read. So I can't speak to that.

I do know our state is a mess - pension promises are going to be broken regardless and needy people are going to be hurt and the unions here don't care.

________________

Hello, Newday. You haven't been blatantly rude to me for no apparent reason in a long time. I hope you've been well, enjoying your family, this beautiful spring and your horses.

Blatantly rude, Candice? Is that what truth is in your world?

Newday.

Blatantly: obvious

Rude: discourteous or impolite

Anyway-- Again, hope all is good in your world.

ok so he had a mistep and spoke on the phone but what about the savings in the school districts because they found the Teachers Union owned a portion of the heath insurer or something to that effect and once the bill was signed they were able to price shop and was able to force lower premiums which in turn is saving school districts thousands upon thousands a year and helping the school districts? You people keep putting a teacher up against taxpayers, taxpayers who do typically not get cost of living increases. Its the public sector teachers union that eats up about 70% of property tax bills and over the past 4 years we have seen our household tax increase over $1000 a year. Yes, we used to have to pay $4000 just to the local district, now its up to $5000 a year and we have no kids. Why are teachers doing this to households when the households incomes are dropping...??? its terrible what they are doing.

UAW, property taxes didn't go up because of the unions, they went up because people are losing their homes which means less people are paying property tax. The towns raise taxes to make up the short fall.

To AmeriCAN

This election is not about jobs, which the governor does not have much to do with. Firms are not hiring because they have discovered they can be just as productive with less workers. This election is about deception, Walker's deception in his campaign about the policies he was going to pursue - and no mention of the massive corporate tax breaks he gave, and then decided to fund by reducing public employee's benifits.

Andie469, a point of clarification. Property taxes have NOT gone up in Wisconsin under Walker. In fact in some areas property taxes have decreased. The ONLY exception to this is in those districts that chose NOT to use the tools put in place by the governor to control spending. Many districts in and around Milwaukee sign contract extensions with their teacher unions prior to the new laws taking affect. The result was 1 year later these same districts are faced with firing teachers and staff or raising taxes. No where else in the state is this the case. Walker has done a fantastic job for all Wisconsinites. Everyone benefited from the budget fix Act 10. This will become evident in another year or 2 when virtually every state in the nation enacts the same laws Wisconsin already has. Mark my words on that.

Chuck, NO ONES employee benefits were cut. The public employee unions were asked to contribute to their OWN health and retirement benefits to the tune of about 1/2 of what I pay into my benies at my private sector job. Get it right. And yes a governor can have a huge impact on the business climate of their state. Think taxes.

hard-take the blinders off. Failed Governor Scott Walker has not done a fantastic job-1,000,000+ Wisconsin voters just signed petitions to get rid of him.

And 3,000,000 didn't.

...and he's getting kudos from John McCain, Linsey Graham and Joe Lieberman...go figure.

If those 3 are in support of the agreement with Karzai then I'm opposed to it.

Three Amigos.....It can't be good!

Give the 3 Amigos time, once they realize there are "time lines", they'll pull a Mitt flip or they'll find something they don't like to whine about. That said, those 3 at least recognize that politics should be left at the water's edge especially when our President is in a war zone. I have an idea there's a lot they won't like about the agreement.

Chilled: Perhaps you are unaware that we are still in Germany, Japan, Korea, Iraq and approximately 50 other countries. Does American remaining in Afghanistan really surprise you? The important this is that the war will be ending.

Jeff: Such statements make it obvious you have no clue.

Jeff--another who woke from a coma in 2008.

Jeff: The problem with your comment is that we are in the red in Wisconsin, 3 million in the red under Genral Accounting Principle, not the voodoo accounting principles Wlaker's ads are using, we are also dead last in job creation and bleeding jobs to other states. Please, please, get the facts before you post, don't just listens to TV ads and E-mails.

So your thought is to continue to create more state and federal jobs (union jobs would be even better)while we continue to print and borrow more money to cover it. Is the government not doing the same shell game as Bernie and his wall street buddies? You give Walker a year yet you are willing to give Obama 4 more after 3.5 years and who is clueless, and in coma? Wake up and check out the debt clock.

Everyone. watch this if you want a glimpse of what someone who has no clue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

Conservatives don't want progress. The flat earthers only want status quo stagnation. And how come conservatives hate conservation?

Funny how most household incomes have dropped the since the economy tanked 4 years ago, yet property taxes have increased. Why, because the Union contracts called for increases so its really the teachers who are passing the pain right onto the backs of the taxpayers.

UAW,

Do you think it might have something to due with all the tax breaks for the wealthy have any bearing?. I mean when you cut those taxes knowing you have a budget problem, then you start cutting back on social services to balance it, where do you think the cost is going to fall? On your local communitites in the form of higher property taxes. Unless of course, you don't want the police, firemen, teachers, roads, or any other public services?

If things are so dire, why would you first thing out of the box give tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations? Wouldn't you want to try and balance your budget first, then see what you have to cut to make things work? I would think tax breaks would be the very last thing to consider?

Just asking, as it doesn't seem to make sense to me. Maybe you can explain why it does?

Always confused about whether President Obama is leading us out of the recession and high unemployment numbers. When you want to praise President Obama, everything is on the upswing and hunky-dory. But when you feel the need to bash the GOP or anyone in it, you cite the economy, blaming them for the poor numbers. I mean, President Obama and the Dems are always citing how much WORSE off we could be, Seems only fair that maybe the numbers in Wisconsin could be much worse if not for Walker's efforts.

What are the libs going to say when Walker wins?

JH:

Mon, 2012-04-02 11:55

A new Rasmussen poll finds that Republican Wisconsin Scott Walker is in trouble of being recalled June 5, with a majority, 52 percent, saying they will vote him out less than two years after he took office and immediately went to work to cut the power of public service unions.

Worse for Walker: 53 percent disapprove of his job as governor with a whopping 46 percent saying they “strongly disapprove” of Walker. Majorities of both men and women now support his recall. Rasmussen found that his support among Republicans and conservatives remains strong.

OK chicken little, settle down now

President Obama promised to reverse the trend of declining middle class wages. Instead the declines got worse. Though the trends started before he took office, he has failed to make things better, and some will argue he's made things worse.

According to Bloomberg, under the President, 3.2 million fewer Americans hold office and sales jobs than five years ago. 1.2 million fewer Americans hold jobs in transportation versus 5 years ago.

If Mr. Walker is out to destroy the middle class, President Obama certainly has not been saving the middle from the destruction.

He has failed. Time for a change.

Candice keeps stating facts, while the moonbats state fat... ..jokes.

Candace. You need to take the blinder's off and admit that we (the USA) were shedding 800K + jobs / mo. after Georgie did his fantastic work, and you bitch how the economy hasn't turned around on a dime.

Your in the market of buying a penny for a nickel, and selling it for a quarter.

How did that work in 07, and 08? For the top 1%, quite well, and bonus $$ for the CROOKS in doing it.

Just say that if the economy doesn't turn around when you say, you'll hold your breath until you turn blue and die.

doem309 - Wow. I actually do buy things for a nickel and sell them for a quarter - illustratively speaking. It's called investing.

No blinders. An economy bleeds. When there is no more blood to flow, the bleeding stops. The "800,000 jobs (it was actually $750,000) a month" argument is weak. It implies the new President's policies had something to do with the slowdown in bloodletting ---- and that's not true. Companies simply ran out of people to let go.

No one expected the economy in a recession as deep as it was to turn on a dime. But this is the longest, slowest, drawn out, miserable recovery in history. It's been so long and slow that 8% unemployment, housing underwater, fiscal insanity and mounting debt is starting to feel like everything's normal. Complacency and acceptance will do us all in.

President Obama hasn't been able to accomplish anything better. Do you want to endure another four years of his trying and trying......but not succeeding? I don't. It's time for a change.

I totally agree with you about the bonuses being handed out to incompetent, unsympathetic employees and CEO's. If I were in charge, I would immediately demand the bonuses back from the CEO and employees of General Motors to start.

Almost $5 more an hour, see folks this is part of the problem. With 15% of the folks in this country being Union and about 7 or 8% of that being Public Sector Workers who are compensated off the backs of hard working taxpayers. The taxpayers not in Unions which is about 85% of workers in this country are being forced to pay premium taxes for subpar performance. Its really very simple, end public sector Unions, they do nothing for the 85% of the folks in this country not in them but increase the cost of each and every single product, service and tax we purchase and pay for. Household incomes have dropped yet public sector incomes have stayed the same or increased, thus the burdens on the taxpayers have increased. We can not keep propping up a false middle class with overcompensations in wage, benefit and pensions to the public sector workers, we must bring their compensations to sustainable levels so taxpayers are not always asked for more and more. In fact, its time we pay less and less.

Candice,Maybe you should look at the recovery of the 1929 depression. It took almost 15 years to turn that one around. It's only been 3 years for this one. So factually you are mistaken."Damn those facts".

Candice: The recovery act halted the pattern of potentially catastrophic jobs loss in it's tracks. All data points to this. It was not coincidence, or luck as you would have us believe. It was sound policy that prevented another great depression, caused by Republican policy. Dance around the issues all you want, reasonable people already know this and it is why Obama leads in every poll and always has.

Just think how better the economy would be doing if any of Obama's agenda was enacted as written rather than being watered down by the republicans; so much that they are almost unrecognizable as what they started as.

I laugh when republicans say Obamas agenda has made things worse, his agenda has never been fully enacted.

Uaw mms is showing his displeasure with his poverty, more people are joining Unions now than in the last 25 years. Why? To protect them from Republican Anti Worker legislation

no we knew we were going to lose and what funny it has backfired ..people were lied to..part two is coming up house of pain's will be gone

Do you mean that the unions and Democrats lied about being able to successfully recall all of them? What are you going to say if the recall of Walker fails?

we then will all know corporations have won and own our democracy

Ahhhhh, I see now. It must be someone else's fault if the Dems don't win! Couldn't possibly be ANYTHING like 2010 when they took a beat-down, right? Voters just can't be trusted to decide who to vote for on their own, according to Democrats!

Hey Elvis--please be the first on your block to report any instance of a corporation pulling a lever in the voting booth, okay?

waiting have you forgot corporations are people now ? they change one of our laws remember

Waiting? For what--a clue? Like I said--please report any instances of corporations voting to the proper authority.

corporations help change what has protect us from people like you corporations..our forefathers did a good job and y'all just pitch it to the ground there law

money gets people elected and you know that..??

Please rewrite your post #16.8 so someone can make sense of some of it.

If money gets you elected, wouldn't that mean that those nasty old rich GOP guys and their favorite corporate backers would never lose another election?

Please site any corporation, as THEY are a person, go through a Colonoscopy ?

No. They pay to have someone else do it.

Koch Bros. comes to mind.

that's Right look at your local elections?..like texas my state they want the nation just like us and it sucks

Hey Elvis---feel free to leave the great state of Texas at any time--the level of the state rises every time we get a Yankee or a Democrat to move out!

you like those low paying jobs to?

I am paid very well, thanks Elvis. Of course, I have never been afraid to work hard and have never expected anyone to take care of me. Try it sometime--it can be very rewarding!

At least go back to school and get your GED, Elvis. It is never too late to try to improve yourself.

I think the big picture is the fact that the cowards that run the Corporations and Karl the Commie Rove have joined forces to over throw the government

Mike,I will say good luck with that Wisconsin have a happy life

Know what you get when 200 blondes attend the DNC?

An increase in I.Q.!

lame leave the funny to me

What's the matter Elvis? No one at home to explain it to you?

It was my pleasure.

check this site out. a clear example of what is hurting this country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

Screw the wiping of the ass, think of how that toilet must cry when it sees him coming. "Oh no!!!! Bolts and seat..hold on tight! A huge floater is coming.

I bet that he has one of those electronic bidet's installed on every toilet in the Governor's mansion. A machine doesn't care who's ass it sprays and cleans.

The "Royal Govenor's" plumber must be on a 24/7 when he is in town.

they want control for life..they want all those jobs but in the private sector only

Its those same police, firemen, teachers and Unions only make up a small percentage of the tax paying base in most any area yet their compensations in wages, benefit and pensions create a hugh burden on the 85% of working folks who are not in a Union. Its those 85% of the folks who are really suffering with property values dropping and property taxes increasing to cover the public sector Union contracts. Those 85% folks are also the ones who will have to work 40-50 years while the police, firemen, teachers and Union folks only have to put in a simple 25-35. How nice of them to overburden the taxpayers who are compensating them.

UAW, Instead of trying to bring those that you say only have to work 25 or 30 years down to the level of those who may have to work 40 or 50 years, I have a proposal for you. Unionize every job in America, and start taking the wealth from the owners and stockholders instead of from the workers. Secondly get out of any Free Trade agreements and the WTO and start raising tariffs on any companies that leave the USA on their goods imported back to this country. Problem solved at the expense of the wealthy. I know, your Republican leaders keep crying out class warfare and you keep buying into their rhetoric.

UAW MMS just another poverty striken loser that wants to blame everyone else for his misery

bingo privatize everything under the sun that's what they want..and they say we need to worry about the government..it is so funny a billionaire wants to be president that is chump change to him ...the tea party wants a corporations president to slowly destroy it

Come on Chicken Little--settle down.

Look! There's a "job creator" right there next to the unicorn! Quick, feed him a tax break so he lays an egg!

mike did he hurt your corporation filling of truth

Nahhhhh, I just considered the source. What the heck is "corporation filling of truth"?

I know y'all don't understand anything these days

Maybe you type faster than you think, Elvis. About half of what you type is incomprehensible. I will excuse the other half as the ravings of a left-wing lunatic.

oh so you do understand me

Just the left-wing lunatic part, Elvis. The rest is still just gibberish.

Rominey is a corporate raider...he was paid millions of dollars to professionally out source thousands of jobs to foreign countries like China.

Everyone. watch this if you want a glimpse of what is ruining the country...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

AJ, congratulations on your well stated positions. This is the message the Democrats need to hammer over, and over, and over, and over, until it finally sinks into the middle American mindset, and yes by that I mean all those red states. I myself have always blamed Reagan for the downfall of America but I see you have sourced it back to Nixon. It never ceases to amaze me that the Republican base believes you just cut taxes for business and the wealthy and jobs get created. Are they really that ignorant or unaware that, that is exactly what Bush did and look what that did to the economy. There is no way to spin it otherwise. Thanks again.

only liberal fools would claim Walker is getting help but the opposition isn't.

liberal hypocrisy is ruining america

Gosh, newday. Here I try to be nice and you're just same old condescending. Would you like to discuss the issues of the day or just focus on me?

On second thought, I find the term "teabaggers" offensive. I know you like to use the term intentionally to be rude and offensive. So, I'll just say thanks for the advice, and see you around.