Obama trip stresses commander in chief role against political backdrop

 

President Barack Obama’s unannounced trip to Afghanistan served official purposes, allowing him to sign, on Afghan soil, an agreement spelling out U.S. involvement in the country following the withdrawal of NATO troops in 2014.

Mandel Ngan / AFP - Getty Images

President Barack Obama and Afghan President Hamid Karzai sign a strategic partnership agreement on May 1 at the Presidential Palace in Kabul.

There was no campaign build-up surrounding the trip, and the secrecy in which the mission was conducted – utilizing the cover of darkness to help shepherd Obama safely into the active war zone – hardly set it apart from Obama’s other trips to Afghanistan or Iraq.

But after the campaign between the Democratic incumbent and Republican foe Mitt Romney was subsumed by a spat over how much credit the president deserves for authorizing the successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden a year ago to the day – and whether his Republican rival would have authorized the same mission – Tuesday’s trip by Obama sends an unmistakable message: there is only one commander in chief.

President Barack Obama is in Kabul to sign a 10-year security agreement with Afghanistan. NBC's Chuck Todd and Jim Miklaszewski report.

“No political objections. This is what commanders in chief are supposed to do," said Ari Fleischer,  the press secretary to President George W. Bush in 2001, when the al Qaeda attacks were launched against New York and Washington. "Just think how much better it could have been for the president if he never did the attack Romney ad."

"I think it's always good when the president goes to where young men and women are in harm's way," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told CNN Tuesday afternoon.

The 2008 Republican presidential nominee has been an outspoken critic of the way Obama has used the bin Laden killing as a political chit. He said he couldn't accuse Obama of making the trip to Afghanistan for political purposes, and didn't view it as excessively celebratory.

Obama will address the nation this evening, live from Afghanistan, where his remarks will make reference to the bin Laden anniversary, according to pool reporters traveling with the president.

“I hardly think that you’ve seen any excessive celebration taking place here,” Obama said Monday at the White House in response to Republican criticism that the president’s campaign was too celebratory in marking the anniversary.

The killing of the al Qaida leader is now presidential election debate. NBC's Tracie Potts reports.

“I think for us to use that time for some reflection to give thanks to those who participated is entirely appropriate, and that's what’s been taking place,” Obama added.

The “Strategic Partnership Agreement” being signed Tuesday by Obama and Hamid Karzai, his Afghan counterpart, pledges continued U.S. support for Afghanistan after NATO’s mission there ends in 2014. It doesn’t speak to troop or funding levels, but rather looks to install a framework for an organized withdrawal of international forces in hopes of avoiding strife.

But it’s still difficult to divorce those very serious goals from the political implications of this visit; in truth, Obama’s trip to Afghanistan does reinforce his image as a commander in chief, even if that outcome were entirely unintended by the White House.

And the Romney campaign is mindful of that powerful imagery.

Their acute sense of these national security politics were on display Tuesday when Romney joined former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, whose legacy is forever tied to his handling of the bin Laden-directed attacks on lower Manhattan. They met at a firehouse that suffered particularly steep losses on Sept. 11, 2001, and hailed the president for authorizing the mission.

“I acknowledged a year ago that the president deserves credit for the decision he made, and I continue to believe that, and certainly would have taken that action myself,” said Romney, alongside Giuliani.

Mitt Romney and former Mayor Rudy Giuliani reflected on the anniversary outside a fire station on Sixth Avenue in New York City. Radio host Michael Smerconish and NBC's Chuck Todd join NewsNation to discuss.

But the former Massachusetts governor didn’t entirely steer clear of challenging Obama’s foreign policy gravitas, either.

“I think I said the same thing then as … Joe Biden,” Romney said in reference to his own skepticism in 2007 of whether it was worth leveraging all of the resources in the U.S. to find bin Laden. “It was naive of the president to announce he would go into Pakistan. We always reserve the right to go anywhere to get Osama bin Laden.”

And today, in an official trip that squarely framed the president as America’s top military official, Obama went to that same corner of the world to mark the one-year anniversary of having done just that.

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Comment author avatarMichael1969Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Tuesday's trip by Obama sends an unmistakable message: there is only one commander in chief.

Keep throwing bologna at the wall.......something's bound to stick

Over half of the country thinks you're in way over your head Mr. President and you have done irrevocable harm to this great nation.

Please just go back to the kiddie table for the balance of your single term.

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#1 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

And Obama being there highlights how bad it is going, how hopeless the task [whatever it is] is, and how much money we are pouring down a rat hole.

But then again, it's at least one day he does not have to talk about the economy, so there is that.

But damn, to see him sit next to such a corrupt despot is just poor optics.

  • 12 votes
#1.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:54 PM EDT

The world is grateful to President Barack Obama for having the courage to follow through on his promise to stop the activities of a world terrorist -- if he received actionable information.

The President got the information and he acted on it.

If Americans like you are not big enough to appreciate it - OK. But do not call yourself a patriot at the same time.

This was a National Win for America.

FACE IT.

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#1.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

To be a successful negotiator requires a certain skill set- none of which Obama possesses.

It requires full knowledge of your and your counterparts' strengths and weaknesses- believing you are the most charming guy in the world will not cut it.

It requires a full understanding of what success for your side entails, and what you are willing to give up to achieve that end. Believing that everyone you meet will swoon at your feet will not achieve it.

The only arrow in Obama's quiver is his belief that he is the single most important being on earth. That earns him contempt here and abroad- not, exactly, the world's greatest negotiating position.

Is it any wonder his foreign policy is such an abject failure?

  • 10 votes
#1.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

Giving speeches and signing meaningless pieces of paper (lets hope he still doesn't think it's 2008) - It is the Obama Way.

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#1.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:03 PM EDT
Comment author avatarMichael1969Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Backhouse,

There is nothing I could do that would be MORE patriotic than to call out Mr. Obama's failed policies and hope those same policies go down in flames.

Socialism is NOT what made this country great.

Individualism, ingenuity, and freedom are what make us the best. Policies like ObamaCare only cater to the lowest common denominator and sink all ships.

Steal from your neighbors ~ Liberals Do!

  • 12 votes
#1.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

Denigration - disinformation and whoppers - is all you geniuses have got.

GOT BIN LADEN?

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#1.6 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

JoAnnaSmith1

Giving speeches and signing meaningless pieces of paper (lets hope he still doesn't think it's 2008) - It is the Obama Way.

Wouldn't that mean he'd be up for another Nobel prize tho???lol

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#1.7 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

Spanky, seems to me Romney's the one who can't stay on the economic message. I mean, seriously, going after Obama on foreign affairs is a losing proposition for ole Mitt. Of course Obama's gonna highlight foreign affairs successes, as well he should. Face it, until Mitt gets some focus and stays purely on an economic message, your guy is fighting a hopeless battle.

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#1.8 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:06 PM EDT

Yeah Chucky - "hopeless."

Which is why Romney is so very far behind, right? Why All obama has to do is talk about all of his successes, correct?

Shoot Chucky given the numbers as they are now, it's a done deal, yes?

You use the word 'hopeless.' Given the manner of your usage, I do not think it means what you think it means.

And how about them WalMart moms?

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#1.9 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

Well, now that's a goofy comment from Jersey. If President Obama wasn't a successful negotiator, he would not be in Afghanistan signing an agreement with Karzai. There's even a clue for Snookie, hint, hint--the PHOTO. Seriously, anti-Obama fever apparently causes loss of common sense, inability to read and comprehend, as well as delusional tendencies.

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#1.10 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

Just sayin' Spanky. If you wanna get them wacky ole Independents on board, Mitt's gotta get some discipline and focus solely on the economy. Every time he strays from that message, it does nothing but hurt him. You can be sure all the Obama folks will keep trying to get Mitt to stray as often as possible.

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#1.11 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

Obama talked about how Afghanistan was the "smart" war, "not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity", "fundemental to the defense of our people." ... a war he would win.

How many years has it been since anyone has even heard Obama say the words "win and "Afghanistan" in the same sentence.

How many times has Obama even talked about Afghanistan .. what 2 addresses in 3 ½ years … one announcing doubling down while giving the Taliban what is tantamount to a "we quite date" and the other confirming the "we are still quiting?"

Does anyone realize that of the 1,545 total losses in Afghanistan – 73% have come under Obama … Almost 3 out of every 4 deaths have come under Obama in just 3 ½ years of the 10 year war?

Does anyone realize that our average monthly loss rate under Obama is over 5 TIMES the loss rate under Bush, that in 23 of Obama's 40 months – we have lost more lives than Bush's worst month …. All for a "responsible withdrawal" …. A place Obama is going to just walk away from!

Training? Our allies are killing us, their trainers … walking up and shooting our troops in the back of the head in secured areas. Obama's pentagon counts these deaths as combat in effort to hide them, yet turn the murders (those that survive) over to Afghan authorities. Estimates of these hidden atrocities are as high as 200!

Our ally … that has stated that if it came to a conflict between Pakistan (our former ally) and the US … they would side with Pakistan!

And we are dying for these guys?

Obama is a unmitigated disaster …. Nothing but an incompetent community organizer way out of his depth.

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#1.12 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

'Smart War?'

So we dump billions into a 7th century rat hole and that's smart?

Chucky - no worries, cause the only real worry is the economy. And according to Obama's charts we are supposed to be at 6.2% unemployment right now.

$4 billion a day, Chucky. Math hurts sometimes.

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#1.13 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

I decided to look at the comments to see what kind of hate was spewed from the RWNJ's. I must say Spanky, Michael, NoJoe and Joann you did not fully disappoint me. About the only missing talking point was for you to call this another vacation.

However, with the GOP House taking more vacation days than any previous Congress EVER, I guess vacation days is now off the talking points memo.

As to Mr. Karzai being a despot, remember who was in charge when he was installed as President. I guess it's hard to remember that DARTH CHENEY was very good at installing puppet presidents.

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#1.14 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:34 PM EDT

BTW: Spanky, we dump $ Trillions into a swamp on the Patomic river, every year, whats a few billion dumped into the middle east ?

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#1.15 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:36 PM EDT

The Obama Diary -

BBC: The agreement is a first, symbolic step towards setting out a long-term relationship, says the BBC’s Paul Adams in Washington.

It is designed to reassure the people of Afghanistan that they are not about to be abandoned when Nato ends its operations there in 18 months.

It is also meant to send a signal to the Taliban that it cannot simply expect to take over again when the Americans leave, our correspondent adds.

  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:13 PM EDT

Well great it's official we will continue to flush money down that toilet for another 10 years minimum.

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#1.17 - Tue May 1, 2012 7:09 PM EDT

How much longer is this ape going to spike the ball and thump his chest over this? America no longer cares about a long dead terrorist that was washed up anyway. Maybe if Obama actually did something to help the economy and really lower unemployment instead of just manipulating the numbers and spewing propaganda, he wouldn't have to brag about a his minor accomplishment of giving the go ahead to finish what his predecessors had put in place ahead of his arrival.

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#1.18 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:21 PM EDT

Backhouse,...

If all you have is "Getting Bin Laden", no one on either side should be impressed. Nor should anyone be impressed with a foriegn policy that promotes assassination, especially in light of Americans expressing such concerns for democracy and individual rights outside of our own borders.

--------------------------------

I listened to his empty warehouse generic political speech airing about 7:40 PM EST. Lots of generalities that hinged on the taliban, pakistanies and the afghan security forces. I am sure that if it comes up for senate approval, both sides will want to know more about what obama has promised vs what he and the senate can deliver.

Just hope that leader reid doesn't pull a pelosi by saying that it need not be read before approving.

Call me a cynic, but between the motives of the taliban, karzoi and pakistan, obama may have bought us a bridge that goes nowhere. All in all one of his better and briefer speeches. I am sure the devil will be in the details.

Unfortunately he still tried to take credit for the past actions of others.

    #1.19 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:38 PM EDT

    It does not matter that many people in the GOP think that President Obama "does not look as the Commander in Chief" and they are giving ALL the credit to the Seals.

    However, Would they be doing the same if the mission had failed?

    That is the most black and white comparison of how hypocritical the GOP is. They NEVER give credit to President Obama for anything. Some of them would rather see him taking a Greyhound bus, instead of flying on Air Force One, surrounded by your staff. That one Person in Mitt Romney:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2012/04/03/mitt-criticizes-obama-flying-around-in-air-force-one.html

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    #1.20 - Wed May 2, 2012 6:59 AM EDT

    Fellow FR Friends, I'm voting to shut down the right-wing propaganda section above. Please do the same and post in the section below. Thank you.

      #1.21 - Wed May 2, 2012 3:46 PM EDT
      Reply

      Talk about throwing the right wing nuts for a loop!

      I couldn't be prouder of OUR President!

      But the former Massachusetts governor didn’t entirely steer clear of challenging Obama’s foreign policy gravitas, either

      How's them for gravitas Mittens?

      Once again, he stole Willard's thunder!

      Will we see Willard's position on this sometime today or will we have to wait to see which way the wind blows?

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      Reply#2 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:52 PM EDT

      Yeah Feisty - cause libbies love them war, and spending all that cash overseas.

      So Feisty, just how many teachers can we retain, bridges built, or social programs funded with all that cash?

      Shoot, this is exactly why you all voted for him right?

      • 7 votes
      #2.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:56 PM EDT
      Comment author avatarJoAnnaSmith1Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      The Dumb Fux won't answer Spanks. Too busy refilling her hate gland.

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      #2.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

      It's ok - I know Feisty is watching Chrissy Matthews right now. He is all upset that this move by Obama will piss off the left.

      He keeps comparing it to Vietnam.

      More negotiated wars = bad for libbies, bad for the budget.

      So looks like Obama chose war over fixing bridges and hiring teachers. Interesting choice for a dem, no?

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      #2.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

      JoAnnaSmith1

      The Dumb Fuk won't answer Spanks. Too busy refilling her hate gland

      Naaaah, I've got he/she's number. Just a keyboard coward. DumbFux only responds when her "electronic friends" show up.

      Typical weasel. That's why they make good liberals....lol

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      #2.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

      The Dumb Fux won't answer Spanks.

      Sweet!

      Snuffy called me DumbFux - come on Snuffy do it again!

      No kidding Snuffy, since I've had old Spanky on ignore for months now!

      Too busy refilling her hate gland

      Like I said old girl - you can't even sling a semi-decent insult anymore! lol

      Gonna be a long road between now & November for ya if that's all you got left in your feed bag!

      Care to try again?

      Show us that Snuffy charm!

      • 13 votes
      #2.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

      Tonight, President Obama will speak from Afghanistan during prime time here. Now, that will really set the right's hair on fire especially Smiff and Jersey's own Snooky.

      • 10 votes
      #2.6 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:20 PM EDT

      Jody, Iowa

      Tonight, President Obama will speak from Afghanistan during prime time here.

      THANK GAAAWD hockey playoffs are on!

      Bet that sport will never get in the way of Obummer....lmao....waiting for that rink to be installed in the WHITE HOUSE

      • 2 votes
      #2.7 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:24 PM EDT

      Jersey's own Snooky.

      Come on Jody - don't insult Snookie like that!

      She's 10x's smarter then the nut job from NJ! ;o)

      • 9 votes
      #2.8 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:25 PM EDT

      Feisty, you're right, that wasn't nice of me.

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      #2.9 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

      Yeah Feisty - cause libbies love them war, and spending all that cash overseas.

      Um...HELLO??

      Have we already forgotten who started that war in Iraq and that war in Afghanistan?

      Had your shrub, er...Bush had the cojones to go get bin Laden the way President Obama did, we'd have saved trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives.

      Early onset Alzheimers is a terrible disease, which apparently has now afflicted almost half the country.

      You criticize President Obama for the way he has waged war, when it has been VASTLY superior to what Bush began and accomplished as CiC...and yet now the GOP shamelessly calls for more military spending?

      Which is it? Are you completely insane?

      • 9 votes
      #2.10 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:34 PM EDT

      Feisty,

      Your sophmoric love affair with this President is well known. There is really no need to keep harping on how proud you are, of him, everytime he passes gas.

      • 4 votes
      #2.11 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:38 PM EDT
      Comment author avatarZathroseExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

      I see Frigid has her head stuck in Obama's Oval Oriface again. Only Barak's truely mindless minons can keep swooning over his minor accomplishment of giving the go ahead to finish what his predecessors had put in place ahead of his arrival. If Obama really struggled to make that easy call, it is no wonder he can't do anything to help the real problems with the economy.

      • 1 vote
      #2.12 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:25 PM EDT

      Poor feisty. her avatar says she is a "dumb fux" and she proves it by denigrating others... Lmao, then she further proves it by choosing to put others on "ignore", way to gou missy "dumb fux"!!

      -------------------

      Kaybee toys, so who signed the SOFA agreement with Iraq in 2008 that defined our exit strategy from Iraq....bush2 or obama? Why did obama want to keep combat troops in Iraq?

      As for his agreemnet with the current afghan government, I wonder what obama has committed us to? I am sure that the senate will be very interested in its details.

      Sounds like you could use a penny to put on your tone arm to stop dwelling in the past.

      • 2 votes
      #2.13 - Tue May 1, 2012 9:06 PM EDT

      Excellent speech! (Not wooden, not BS, not contrived for the moment, but a sincere from-the-heart speech.) And you could see the sincere enthusiasm from the troops to have their Commander in Chief visit them.

        #2.14 - Wed May 2, 2012 4:00 PM EDT
        Reply

        ...in truth, Obama’s trip to Afghanistan does reinforce his image as a commander in chief, even if that outcome were entirely unintended by the White House.

        In truth, Barack Obama IS the POTUS and the Commander-in-Chief, but the GOP won't give him credit for anything, not even for keeping our country safe.

        It's pathetic and shameless for Republicans to criticize President Obama for courageously and methodically going after bin Laden and putting the stake through the heart of al Qaeda.

        It's ridiculous to criticize everything he does and politicize it. Sour grapes are turning the Republicans into real sourpusses.

        Boo hoo for the GOP...sucks to be you.

        • 10 votes
        Reply#3 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

        The republicans love their selective amnesia and history re-writes. As I recall, it was Obama that let OBL go from Tora Bora in Dec 2001, it was Obama that made jokes about not knowing where OBL was in March 2002, it was Obama that trumped up WMD evidence and invaded Iraq and it was Obama that disbanded the CIA/Special Forces team, whose sole responsibility was to find OBL, in 2006 and it was the republican minority in congress that re-instituted that team in March 2009 and it was the republicans that gave Seal Team 6 the order to fly into Pakistan and take out OBL.

        Oh, and the economy was spectacular on Jan 19, 2009 and the whole world went to crap on Jan 20, 2009. Remember? Unemployment was at 3% and falling, there was a Social Security surplus that was being used to ensure that everyone in this country had affordable healthcare and good educational opportuinities too.

        {Sarcasm is wasted on the stupid}

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        #3.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:30 PM EDT

        LMAO... If all obama has to offer is promoting an assassination policy, whatever happened to Americas desire to promote democracy and the rule of law? Even bush2 understood that it was up to the iraqi government to try and ultimately hang saddam. Did the world court try bin laden in absentia with a guilty verdict and death sentence?

        Don't get me wrong, I won't miss bin laden or any terrorist, but let obama tell us that assassination without trial is now part and parcel of our foreign policy.

          #3.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 9:19 PM EDT
          Reply

          President Obama puts the exclamation point on OBL's demise! Our President meets with Karzai, they sign an agreement, great photo, too. Meanwhile Mitt tours NYC with Rudy "noun, verb and 9/11" and eats pizza. Sweet, cool, slow-jamming the news.

          • 12 votes
          Reply#4 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

          Yeah the 'exclamation point.'

          Dude has been dead for a year. I think that's enough.

          Hey Jody, you like seeing you man rubbing elbows with such a corrupt POS like Karzai?

          Makes me sick. I wonder when the CBO comes out with a projected cost?

          • 4 votes
          #4.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

          Meanwhile Mitt tours NYC with Rudy "noun, verb and 9/11" and eats pizza!

          Did you hear Willard getting heckled on the street?

          Say, didn't Rudy compare Willard to prostrate cancer when he was finally forced to endorse him?

          • 9 votes
          #4.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

          No, Feisty, hadn't heard that about Willard. We didn't have the news on at campaign headquarters this afternoon. I came home, turned on TV and found out President Obama was in Afghanistan; and now that Willard was heckled.

          • 10 votes
          #4.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

          I came home, turned on TV and found out President Obama was in Afghanistan; and now that Willard was heckled

          See what happens when you wander off the ranch for a couple of hours! lol

          Welcome home! ☺

          • 8 votes
          #4.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

          Must have been a great meeting. Was Chet Culver there? Did he thank you for helping him win re election?

          Oh. Wait.

          Never mind.

          • 2 votes
          #4.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:51 PM EDT

          You talking abou this?

          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/05/01/romney_heckled_at_nyc_firehouse_event_youre_a_racist.html

          One crazy woman? Get over it.

          Now, Obama getting booed at Fenway? That's a big deal. This? Not so much.

          • 1 vote
          #4.6 - Tue May 1, 2012 7:02 PM EDT

          Now, Obama getting booed at Fenway?

          I'm sure you have one of your handy dandy links available to back that up!

          I asked the same of the recently departed Rob in MA & all he could provide was some fuzzy U-Tube clip which proved nothing of the sort!

          Come on Donna - give it the old team try - show us what you got babe!

          • 7 votes
          #4.7 - Tue May 1, 2012 7:09 PM EDT

          So, nojo..I notice since you've been caught lying, you've centered your attacks squarely on the president...it's ok Joey...he can take it.

          Have at it!

          • 6 votes
          #4.8 - Tue May 1, 2012 7:16 PM EDT

          I didn't know Bev went to the big apple to comment on romney, hope she enjoyed the trip.

          Hmmm, seems that fiesty and little girl mickey don't know how to do a a simple internet search.

          http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/bummer-obama-booed-at-bostons-fenway-park-during-anniversary-speech/

          Just one of many links, but we all know that fiesty and mickey have their heads stuck up their azz and refuse to read them. After all, they do so want to be so well informed, errrr at least only if someone is saying that obama is beloved by oh so many people.

          • 1 vote
          #4.9 - Tue May 1, 2012 9:42 PM EDT

          Just one of many links, but we all know that fiesty and mickey have their heads stuck up their azz and refuse to read them

          Slow down there sweetcheeks!

          I've read plenty about it - especially from lying bloggers like yourself.

          Perhaps you could provide us with some audio? I can't seem to locate any...

          • 1 vote
          #4.10 - Wed May 2, 2012 8:51 AM EDT
          Reply

          I hope President Obama has a safe trip and I will wait to hear the details of the agreement.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#5 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

          Let's just hope the agreement does not include an indefinite US presence, in any capacity.

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          #5.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

          Chucky Stuart, I have three loved ones who have been to Afghanistan five times in the last 7years. I hope they don't prolong this war but I also understand that for the safety of our troops withdrawal must be done carefully.

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          #5.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

          I hope they don't prolong this war but I also understand that for the safety of our troops withdrawal must be done carefully

          Damn right Lisa - if I had my way, they would be home from that hell-hole tomorrow!

          Unfortunately - the reality says otherwise!

          May your family members continue to remain safe...

          • 9 votes
          #5.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

          I agree it must be done carefully Lisa. But when 2009 becomes 2011, and 2011 becomes 2014, you can understand how one might become a bit cynical.

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          #5.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

          Chuck Stuart, I understand what you are saying but withdrawing 90,000 troops is not that easy logistically. Feisty thanks for your kind word for my family.

          • 9 votes
          #5.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

          Lisa, well said. Your family deserves all our thanks; God speed to them.

          Chucky, 2014 has been the established date since President Obama and his team made the decision in 2009. There was no 2011 date set at any time by the Obama administration. The anger I have is directed at President Bush who failed to finish what he started there; then bailed on Afghanistan to head to Iraq.

          I want our troops home from there as quickly as possible but realistically, I know that we broke it. I also know that Pakistan's safe haven for terrorists and those who would create more havoc in Afghanistan factors heavily in any decision regarding withdrawal dates and troop numbers.

          • 10 votes
          #5.6 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

          Jody, Iowa, Thank you.

          • 3 votes
          #5.7 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

          Funny thing is, once we establish a base in a foreign land which we have conquered through war, we don't leave. Why do you think we still have bases in: Germany, Italy, Japan, and, of all places, Cuba.

          We have a base in Iraq and will have military personel there for the foreseeable future. We have bases in Afghanistan, and we will have military personel there for the foreseeable future.

          While we may end our combat operations in Afghanistan, we will not be leaving. We learned a lesson when Saint Ronney ordered us out of Lebanon. When we leave a middle east country, the terrorists take over. That won't be allowed to happen again.

          Besides, by keeping troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and Yemen, we pretty much have Iran surrounded, should they decide they want to start something.

          • 6 votes
          #5.8 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:55 PM EDT

          Chucky,

          Well the president has signed up for 10 years so you can bank on wasting money and lives for at least that long.

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          #5.9 - Wed May 2, 2012 1:22 PM EDT

          Jody,

          Chucky and dirp are correct

          here is info on the 2011 date (2011 date was not about a FULL withdraw)

          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/23/dems-disappointed-with-pace-afghanistan-troop-withdrawal/

          Here is info on why the 2014 date is a total lie.

          http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dotmil/2012/04/26/thousands-of-us-troops-likely-in-afghanistan-beyond-2014-withdrawal-date

          • 1 vote
          #5.10 - Wed May 2, 2012 1:32 PM EDT

          It's interesting that President Obama has been pretty "Hawkish" in regard to foreign policy, with the surge in Afghanistan, increase in drone attacks, (and of course decimating Al Qaeda). Heck, he has even deported more illegals during his administration. And yet, the right-wing still get their panties in a wad and create nontroversies and lies about appeasement, being apologetic, etc. The president could be Atilla the Hun and the right-wing would be whining about some silly thing or another.

          Remember when President Obama made his first trip overseas, and the cheering crowds he spoke to?

          GOP/TP -- Flip Romney CANNOT compete on national security, forgetaboutit!

            #5.11 - Wed May 2, 2012 4:10 PM EDT
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            Oh, the right wing heads are exploding today. Hah!

            President leads from in front, they can't take it; President leads from behind, they can't take it. And talk about irony, Spanky trying to flip the script on the warmongering mess left behind by the 43rd President. Because his party won't vote to train a teacher, build a bridge or fund a social program, but they'll vote to bloat the military/industrial complex while simultaneously raping the planet.

            Did you graduate from the Rombot Academy of Professional Flip-Flopping?

            • 6 votes
            Reply#6 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

            Obama deserves credit for making the call but he has acted like a child in stating Romney would not make this call. Also the Navy Seals are calling on him not to use this moment as a political add. The best description to frame Obama's comments...When divorced parents are arguing and telling their kids I love you more! Any President would have made the call!

            • 4 votes
            Reply#7 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:24 PM EDT

            Of course you are ignoring that Mitt all but admitted he would not have made the call. I remember he chastized Obama for saying he would unilaterally go into Pakistan if Osama was there.

            • 8 votes
            #7.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

            DanforTRUTH:

            Did you miss this April 2007 quote by Romney?:

            He told the Associated Press “it’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”

            Spin?

            • 6 votes
            #7.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:44 PM EDT

            "Any president would make the call" except the one whose job it was to get OBL, the one who allowed the attack to happen, President George W. Bush.

            I guess its ok if you don't go after the guy who ordered the worst attack on your nation since 1941 if you are a Republican, but its not ok to say "I ordered the guys to get him."

            If DARTH CHENEY was at the helm and had ordered the hit, I'd praise him too. OBL ordered the murder of thousands of innocent people, americans and others, and fully deserved to be taken out. Anyone who isn't praising the president who gave the order is quite simply, a traitor. You are either for the US or against it on this matter. If you can't praise the president on this, you are nothing less than an anti-american traitor.

            • 5 votes
            #7.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

            You guys just ignore inconvenient truths

            http://news.investors.com/article/609557/201204271858/navy-admiral-made-bin-laden-decision.htm?src=IBDDAE

            There's the reason he was on the golf course. It wasn't even his call- but like the child he is, because the mission succeeded, he shouts "Mine! Mine!"

            And you believe him. I honestly don't know who the bigger fool is- the fool shouting, or the fools echoing.

              #7.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:48 PM EDT

              [It wasn't even his call...]

              Ok, Joey..I take back my comment from above...you haven't stopped lying.

              Clearly, you were dropped on your head as a child...which begs the question:

              ...how many times...?

              • 5 votes
              #7.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 7:20 PM EDT

              Romney needs to prove he can take the heat or get out of the kitchen. He cannot go around changing positions, insulting Jimmy Carter, and failing to give credit where credit is due and expect to be given a free ride.

              Mickey, NY -- No kidding, huh? So the POTUS, who has the most demanding and stressful job in the world, should never, NEVER take a break of any kind -- Unless you're Republican, then it's okay -- Right Boehner?

                #7.6 - Wed May 2, 2012 4:15 PM EDT
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                I wonder what sort of easter egg Odumbo is leaving the next president...

                  Reply#8 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:27 PM EDT

                  Wow Feisty. You should read your own posts. Sipping the evening vino are you? What a hate filled brat.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#9 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

                  Here let me fix that for ya;

                  What a hate filled brat bitch.

                  Much better!

                  I wonder what sort of easter egg Odumbo is leaving the next president...

                  That would be President Odumbo to you! ;o)

                  • 9 votes
                  #9.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:38 PM EDT

                  Paul W-396258

                  Wow Feisty. You should read your own posts. Sipping the evening vino are you? What a hate filled brat.

                  Wow, Paul. You should take your own advice.

                  Glance in the mirror, why don'tcha? ;)

                  • 5 votes
                  #9.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:50 PM EDT

                  Paul,

                  Learn quickly my friend, DFRed posts only for her "sicko-"phants. They are her pets and as such they swarm to her, to lick her with puppy splendor. As all dogs do, they lick wherever the opportunity is given. So yes, their noses are in there, licking the donkey!

                  • 2 votes
                  #9.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

                  Glance in the mirror, why don'tcha? ;)

                  Won't work - they can't see their own reflection! ☺

                  • 6 votes
                  #9.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

                  Oh thanks Feisty. I'm glad you recognize your role in life. Now.. Sit. Stay.

                  and no, it's not president Odumbo. Just Odumbo. He has to earn the title in my book.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:53 PM EDT

                  Just Odumbo. He has to earn the title in my book.

                  See here is the really neat part - whether you want to recognize him or not - he is still YOUR President!

                  You was fairly elected by a majority in this country and nothing is going to change that!

                  Knowing it causes you great stress brings me much pleasure! ;op

                  • 5 votes
                  #9.6 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

                  Knowing he won't get re-elected brings me even more pleasure.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.7 - Tue May 1, 2012 9:35 PM EDT
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                  Won't work - they can't see their own reflection! ☺

                  That's right... they're bloodsuckers!

                  Can't go out in daylight either. They live in darkness.

                  • 6 votes
                  Reply#10 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

                  And another DFR puppy keeps on licking. Michael said it best when he stated he/she in referencing Feisty. Who truly knows? So Queen Bee he/she shall be, in the court of our Irish American leader, President O'bama. And for my racism, I will apologize to all people who are of Irish desent.

                  • 2 votes
                  #10.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:05 PM EDT

                  Better yet, QUEEN rANT 'n' rage

                  • 1 vote
                  #10.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:13 PM EDT
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                  LOOK WHAT'S ALL THAT ABOUT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE RIGHT???!!! If Feisty believes in President Obama and his policies and supports him then there's nothing wrong with that!!! Just if you support Mr. Romney and his policies also!!! This is an opinion board so everybody gets to state what he or she thinks is going to happen in the race and the article is showing us how the President is using the bully pulpit to his advantage!!! Otherwise all this personal stuff is waaaaayyyy out of line!!!

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#11 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:24 PM EDT

                  "Afghanistan trip stresses Commander in Chief role"? You mean America's role, don't you? The Commander in Chief represents the United States of America, not himself. Strangly captioned headline.

                  • 4 votes
                  Reply#12 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:28 PM EDT

                  How much showboating is this. Obama pulls a Saturday Night Live stunt on signing a treaty with Afganistan and yet, I thought it was the congress who finalized treaties between nations. Must be an election ploy to exploit and milk the most out of nothing that Obama can do to shore up the possibility that the American people are going to kick his A*** out of the White House. If he was as determined at creating jobs; growing the economy; unifying the nation as he is at playing up the television with crass; hubris unpresidential spots, we might have a better future than what we are facing right now. Socialism has no future. It is the pox on society and the self determination of the individual ever imposed upon humanity. Not even in socialism is there equality. The elite socialist enjoy the bounty from the work of the many.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#13 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

                  So glad we have a president who knows how to be a president.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#14 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:14 PM EDT

                  Will you all stop mouth fighting one another,when you have leader to die for,do you know what we ALL Nigerians Africans AT LARGE,will do just to have A leader like PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA a man who puts aside all his personal interest aside to fight for his country he made tough calls to defend both republicans conservatives and liberals and even non voters alike,he opened Washington political leadership doors for his citizens to contribute and criticize the job done by THEIR leaders he is a fair leader who just want to reach out to every single AMERICAN Black,White,Mexican or Asian,so forget this partisan war and support his next term in office.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#15 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:57 PM EDT

                  Barack Obama's corrupt administration failed to prosecute black panther members who intimidated voters, he would rather go after states that have the courage to do something to fix the massive voter fraud and immigration problems that OBAMA has ignored.

                  I would love to "forget this partisan war" and just vote for the current President; unfortunately, I still have a conscience and am not willing to throw this country to the dogs just yet.

                    #15.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 9:33 PM EDT
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                    Now all you right wingnuts really need to get a grip on yourselves. If all of your lies has not convinced the normal people of the world about just how stupid you are, continuing to lie and twist the fact and they might feel sorry for you. Naaaah you are just too stupid. There is no cure for stupid republicans/tea party. People are leaving you in droves. They hate Bishop Romney. They will stay home before voting for either President Obama or Bishop Romney. So you loose republicans/ tea party.

                    Your only hope is that you retain enough seats in Congress to even be considered a political party. But at the rate it is going I don't really see the republicans holding on to many seats.

                    OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#16 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:57 PM EDT
                    Comment author avatarForest Millervia Facebook

                    F u Ni$$%r You don't care! You have never cared about our military and how many boys and girls we lose.

                    You are a community organizer and your entire life, Barack Hussein Obama you have only cared for yourself.

                    Don't even TRY to tell me and the rest of my military friends that you care because we know you don't

                      Reply#17 - Wed May 2, 2012 4:01 AM EDT
                      Comment author avatarForest Millervia Facebook

                      The military has already procalimed thier abhorrance to this president.

                      THEY are who protect you. So, libs, what say you? You are the lone holdouts that stand in the way of whether or not this country sinks or swims like hell.

                        Reply#18 - Wed May 2, 2012 4:05 AM EDT
                        Comment author avatarForest Millervia Facebook

                        Ya know what, MSNBC the fact that there is no way to filter our remarks from new to old is yet another exanple of your complicit, agenda-driven journalism.

                        @!$%# off.

                          Reply#19 - Wed May 2, 2012 4:08 AM EDT

                          Forest do you really think all your ranting is going to change anyone's mind? Lay off the tea party kool-aid dude. You calling me names while sitting behind a computer shows you have no backbone. Using the word you did only shows how stupid you are. Too bad there is no cure for stupid.

                          OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

                          • 1 vote
                          #19.1 - Wed May 2, 2012 9:21 AM EDT

                          Ret_MSgt

                          This guy Forrest just joined last month and is nothing but a (paid?) troll. If he is paid they should ask for their money back.

                          • 1 vote
                          #19.2 - Wed May 2, 2012 10:50 AM EDT
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                          Obama whacking Osama Bin Laden was one of the gutsiest calls by a Commander in Chief in history. Does anyone seriously believe that Romney, the flip flopper in chief, who can't make a decision about any issue whatsoever and is all over the place with everything and who criticized Obama for saying he would hunt Bin Laden down in Pakistan would make a decision like this? Romney is the GOP's Neville Chamberlain.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#20 - Wed May 2, 2012 7:51 AM EDT

                          Hahaha!! The rightwing loonies are beside themselves. the President got Bin Laden when nobody else would or could, plus 20 out of 30 of Bin Laden's buddies. Even McCain and Graham were praising the President. You GOP'ers not on board with McCain? Since when?

                          Romney doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, and as we get closer to November it's going to be more obvious than it is now.

                          OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (in a landslide)

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#21 - Wed May 2, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

                          This is so amusing. The Conservatives are all in a tizzy because of President Obama and Afghanistan. Sucks to be them.

                          President is doing something Republicans seem incapable of doing. He has developed an exit strategy, an end game. Bush's policy was the usual bomb, destroy and just leave them to wallow in our destruction. The Republicans made that mistake in Iraq and see what we ended up with. They had no plan for when the actual war ended. That's when the insurgency began, with fighters just streaming into the country through wide open borders.

                          To those of you complaining(so what else is new) and saying the President is kissing Karzai's butt. Hey, you put Karzai in power, not the Democrats. He's your guy. The President is just dancing with the date he got stuck with. Maybe the Republicans will think twice about the next dictator they force on some unsuspecting country.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#22 - Wed May 2, 2012 10:32 AM EDT
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