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*** Obama, Romney spar on bin Laden: It started with surrogates on the Sunday shows, but yesterday the political debate over the killing of bin Laden -- one year ago today – bubbled up to the candidates. Mitt Romney said at a rope line yesterday, "Of course, of course,” he would have ordered the strike. “Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order." Remember, Carter DID give an order to make a risky rescue effort of the Iranian hostages that failed. So an odd shot from Romney. President Obama was asked to defend his campaign alleging that Romney wouldn’t have made the call. “I'd just recommend people take a look at previous statements as to whether they thought it was appropriate to go into Pakistan and take out bin Laden,” he said with a smirk, adding, “I said we'd go after bin Laden if we had a clear shot at him, and I did.” The minute Romney said “Jimmy Carter,” the Obama campaign may have gotten what they wanted: an opening to bring up what Romney said four years ago (more on that below). And it’s why the president was so specific in his response to the Romney charge (though he never mentioned Romney by name). By the way, this is the first time since the Reagan-Carter election in 1980 that both nominees were candidates four years earlier. It means an even bigger archive of material for the political debate include many times when the two of them did respond to each other even during the primaries.
On the anniversary of the successful capture and killing of Osama bin Laden, Mitt Romney tried to minimize President Barack Obama's role in the mission. The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd reports.
*** Romney disagreed with Obama in 2007: There are, by the way, plenty of examples from the 2007-2008 campaign of Mitt Romney criticizing President Obama for his debate answer when he said if he had actionable intelligence he would strike bin Laden even if it meant crossing into Pakistan. The Obama campaign has pointed out that Romney said, “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.” In explaining those remarks, Romney said, “We'll move everything to get him. But I don't want to buy into the Democratic pitch that this is all about one person -- Osama bin Laden -- because after we get him, there's going to be another and another.” He added, “It's more than Osama bin Laden.” He also said: Romney 2007: "I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort.” And: "I think his comments were ill-timed and ill-considered.” Later at a debate, Romney seemed to soften his criticism of what then candidate Obama said after Rudy Giuliani seemed to challenge Romney’s criticism at a primary debate. "It's wrong for a person running for the president of the United States to get on TV and say, ‘We're going to go into your country unilaterally.’ Of course, America always maintains our option to do whatever we think is in the best interests of America. But we don't go out and say, ‘Ladies and gentlemen of Germany, if ever there was a problem in your country, we didn't think you were doing the right thing, we reserve the right to come in and get them out.’”
*** ‘Any American’ would have ordered the bin Laden killing: Romney changed his wording this morning. "Of course I would have," he said on CBS, per NBC’s Garrett Haake. "Any AMERICAN, any thinking American, would have ordered the same thing. Clearly if you've identified where Osama Bin Laden is, the US military is going to take action to capture or kill him.” Romney said that President Obama has "every right for him to take credit" for ordering the raid, but attacking Romney for a hypothetical is not. There are "plenty" of differences between himself and President Obama, so "let’s not make up ones,” Romney said. John McCain lashed out again saying, President Obama was trying to take “credit for something that any president would do…,” including Carter. And McCain, who was a tortured war hero in Vietnam, added, “[T]he thing about heroes, they don't brag.” (By the way, don’t miss the cable talker today from this interview – Ann Romney claiming her husband is really a “wild and crazy man.” She said, "I still look at him as the boy I met in high school. There's a wild and crazy man inside there.”)
*** Dems drive message (so far) for another week: Obama might have been smirking because he knows this is a political fight he’ll win and he’s more than happy to have it front and center. One thing is certain, the bin Laden back and forth pretty much ensures this will be the BIG story of the week (until the jobs report). Last week was student loans; the week before about Latinos -- all things on Democratic turf. And three weeks ago, would have been about the GOP’s problem with women, but then came Hilary Rosen… And the power of the incumbency is notable. One big advantage is holding meetings and press conferences with foreign leaders and another is having the bully pulpit to drive the message of the week in a larger way than the challenger can do (at least in the Spring and Summer). Yesterday Japan’s prime minister praised President Obama for his efforts on terrorism. It’s one thing Romney doesn’t have and why it’s so hard for a challenger to upend a sitting president. Rudy Giuliani, who Romney appears with today, just isn’t the same.
*** Politicization toothpaste out of the tube: With all the back and forth, don’t miss retired Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time of the raid, telling NBC’s Brian Williams (featured on Nightly News last night) that he fears the politicization of bin Laden given that it’s election season. "Well, I worry about it, just because it's the political season,” Mullen said. “And from my perspective, the president's support-- the decision that he made, and obviously, the result stand alone in terms of the kind of call presidents have to make and he made it. I do worry a great deal that this time of year that somehow this gets spun into election politics. I can assure you that those individuals who risk their lives--the last thing in the world that they want is to be spun into that. So I'm hoping that that doesn't happen." Too late for that.
*** ‘Swiss Bank Account’: In the battle to define Romney, the Obama campaign is up with an ad called, “Swiss Bank Account,” though it has little to do with “Swiss Bank Accounts” – just that they want to remind you Mitt Romney has one. According to NBC/Smart Media Delta, the campaign has booked so far $505,000 in Ohio and Iowa on broadcast, and they also bought time in Richmond and Roanoke, though we don’t have specific numbers just yet. The campaign says it’s a “significant” broadcast buy. Obama holds his first two official campaign events in Ohio and Virginia Saturday. The ad is the third response ad from the campaign so far to an outside group, this one specifically to the Koch Brothers-backed Americans for Prosperity ad, which hit Obama on energy and “outsourcing.” The campaign again tries to tie Romney to the outside group by pivoting to hit him on outsourcing when he was in the private sector. But with a big heaping of snark, the ad ends with, “It’s just what you’d expect from a guy who had a Swiss Bank Account.” Two things: (1) Once again, every time the Obama campaign feels the need to respond to an attack ad to an outside group, it ties it to Romney, and (2) It wants to define him as “not one of you.” The “Swiss Bank Account” line does seem to come out of nowhere -- does it give the average viewer a bit of political whiplash. But one thing we know about this campaign, nothing gets thrown at the wall, they focus and test everything. By the way, one more aside thought: imagine if the Obama campaign or the Democratic party put as much “energy” in defending the health care law as they do energy and green jobs policies.
*** Romney camp responds: This morning the Romney camp fired back on the ad with this response: “With the worst job creation record in modern history and the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression, President Obama is trying to distract Americans from the real issues with a series of sideshows,” Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said in a statement. “Unable to defend his failed record of 23 million Americans struggling for work, wasteful boondoggles like Solyndra, skyrocketing national debt, and unacceptably high energy prices, President Obama has once again resorted to attacking Mitt Romney. The American people have suffered enough over the last three years and deserve better.” (Did the Romney camp just embrace the ad? And they haven’t responded to any of the Obama ads on the air. Will they this time?)
*** The war over women: Democrats on the Hill are pushing the Paycheck Fairness Act to pigeonhole Romney. And meanwhile, The Hill reports: “More than 60 House Republicans offered legislation late last week that would prevent health insurance policies offered by health insurance exchanges from covering abortion procedures.” The bill is called, “The Stop Abortion Funding in Multi-state Exchange Plans Act.” (By the way, that’s a mouthful of an acronym to get to SAFE.) Democrats want to continue the women narrative and bills like this one from the House GOP will only add fuel.
*** Rubio admits mistake in using party credit card: Don’t miss that Marco Rubio yesterday said, NBC’s Mike O’Brien reports, “Sometimes, it was just a mistake. I just reached for the wrong card. The point is that, if I had to do it again, I'd be a lot more careful.” This story about Rubio and the Florida party credit card is probably the biggest reason he likely won’t be Romney’s VP pick. After Palin, they just don’t want to take the risk. In other veep news, Kelly Ayotte got a tryout yesterday. NBC’s Garrett Haake reports on the optics. And the latest veep tryout will be Thursday, when Romney appears with Virginia’s Bob McDonnell. By the way, don’t expect any hints from Romney on when he’ll make the pick or who it’ll be, he said on CBS this morning.
*** Indiana – Is it already over? The PAC that was supporting Richard Lugar, the American Action Network, has pulled its ads. They officially come down today. “We’ve decied to let this race play out,” Dan Conston, spokesman for the group, confirms. The group spent about two-thirds of the $600,000 it booked. Republican thinking is that they are coming to grips with the idea that state Treasurer Richard Mourdock is the very likely nominee, and the party now doesn't want to damage him. Strategists say Lugar didn't started campaigning in earnest until too late and waited too long to define Mourdock. They didn't know what to do with him.
*** What is happening in Massachusetts? Elizabeth Warren is on the defensive over whether she cited that she is part Native American on initial law professor applications. It was a small attack that came seemingly out of nowhere and is meaningless to the nut of the debate between the two candidates, but it’s these kinds of “small things” that can make or break candidacies sometimes. So far, Warren hasn’t handled it very well. And it’s the second week in a row in which Warren’s been on the defensive – first for releasing four instead of six years of tax returns, giving the Brown campaign the opening to ask what she’s hiding. It helped create a story when there didn’t need to be one. Massachusetts politics has always been more about gut than the head. You’ve got to somehow get past this gut test with white working class Massachusetts Democrats. And on both issues, Brown has had the advantage. (By the way, the only reason Scott Brown’s been on TV in the past week was for hitting a half-court shot and having a former Celtic praise him for it.)
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Ebony & Ivory;
If you think Dead-Beat Daddy Joe Walsh has said some inflammatory in the past, this one positively takes the cake;
There you have it folks, at least the dead beat daddy had the balls to take his sheet off!
You want to talk about contempt for a sitting President based on the color of his skin – well… here IT IS!
It will be a pleasure watching him get his ass handed to him by Tammy Duckworth come November!
Spiking the Football
The operation to take out bin Laden was appropriately ruthless and highly effective, and the president deserves credit for making it happen. At the same time one cannot help but note the irony of the anti-Bush using decidedly Bush-like tactics in order to rid the world of a piece of crap: Obama the riverboat gambler, rolling the dice on a high risk operation and coming out winners. Obama the international cowboy, brazenly disregarding the sovereignty of a foreign nation and unilaterally doing what had to be done. Obama the judge and jury, dispensing with any semblance of due process when unleashing his kill team to do their dirty deed.
I suppose there is a direct line of reasoning that connects the left's version of "American values" with the assassination of bin Laden and the many other bad guys that have met their maker at the hands of this president. That might be a tangled line in that enhanced interrogation techniques are viewed as inconsistent with those values, while raining unannounced murder from the skies via drone attacks apparently passes muster. Now don't get me wrong, I'm really pleased about the president's aggressive policies in these matters, he's doing what needs to be done. I'm just bemused at the contortions his LWNJ fanboys must go through to reconcile the recipient of a Nobel Peace Prize with the man who orders killings without regard for the rights of the soon to be departed.
So, who's really spiking the football these days? It's not Obama, despite his unseemly actions of late in touting the bin Laden action. No, it's the right that's spiking the football because we have known all along that the war on terror is very real and requires a brutal resolve in order to prevail over a determined enemy. And when Obama stretches his view of American values just enough to accommodate the preemptive killing of those who would kill us, then we duly note (and applaud) his striking resemblance to Bush.
So this Bud's for you, Mr. President. Just make sure you share it with your predecessor.
I understand President Obama has asked President Clinton to help in his campaign. Wonder if Romney will ask "W" for his help? Doubt it. Come to think about it, Bush 43 hasn't even endorsed Romney. Now that is one thing "W" did right
Who let the dogs out?
As we enter into week two of NJNB and her “Dog-Meat Gate” scandal, I was reminded she has reassured us repeatedly she will be going door to door to get the word out about our President’s childhood experience while living in Indonesia.
A little birdie passed along to me an advanced copy of her script – it goes something like this;
*KNOCK KNOCK*
Unsuspecting Average Joe Voter; who’s there?
NJNB; I’m NJNB and as one of the remaining true patriots left in this country it is my civic duty to inform you President Obama ate dog meat!
*OPENS DOOR*
UAJV; Say, as long as you claim to be a true patriot, maybe you could inform me what the competitor’s ideas are & why he should earn my vote? I have yet to see any specific policies presented by him.
NJNB; Didn’t YOU hear me? Obama ate dog meat? How many times do I have to spell it out for you? OBAMA ate dog meat!!
UAJV; Listen lady, I heard you & don’t give a rats ass about what someone did as a child. Again, why should your candidate earn my vote?
NJNB: Yeabut…yeabut…yeabut… We MUST stop the dog eating socialist Muslim, black man at all costs! YOU are NOT paying attention to what I’m
saying! Obama ate DOG MEAT! DOG MEAT damnit!!!
UAJV: BFD! One more time – WHY should I vote for your candidate? As a full grown adult & father didn’t Romney himself strap the family dog to the roof of the car and scare the poor
animal enough it voided itself?
NJNB: *becoming increasingly more unhinged & stomping her bunny slippers in rage* NOW YOU listen to me – OBAMA ate dog meat and I am here to save MY country!!!
UAJV: NO – YOU listen to me, this isn’t YOUR country this is OUR country, thanks to you stopping by today, I will NOW be casting MY vote for President Barack Hussein Obama – now get the HELL off my porch you idiot! *slams door in NJNB’s face*
NJNB, slinks off into the darkness, stopping along the way to pick up an take out order of Kung Pao Cat from her favorite Chinese restaurant; CumOfSomeYoungGuy on the way back to her trailer.
There you have it in a nutshell - NJNB’s brilliant strategy to send Willard to the White House!
As Scooby Doo would say *Ruh Roh*
Now even the Navy SEALs are critical of Obama bragging about how he's the only one that would have ordered the hit on bin Laden.
Shame on Obama and Bill Clinton for politicizing this event.
Is it right-wing amnesia or is it just plain stupidity? In June of 1999, Osama bin Laden was placed on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list - almost 13 years ago. That was at the end of President Bill Clinton's administration.
There is some question whether President Clinton had a chance to take bin Laden out. We may never know whether that is true. However, for a certainty, bin Laden did escape death at the hands of Clinton, and he went on to plot more horrific terrorist atrocities.
One incredibly evil act stands above them all; the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11. The calculated and cold-blooded murder of more than 3,000 united the vast majority of Americans in a call for revenge. Not justice! Revenge! Let's call it for what it was. We wanted the destruction of al Qaeda and the death of the monster bin Laden.
President George W. Bush told us he would oblige. We should go shopping, while he took care of business. He didn't. He lied us into two invasions, first in Afghanistan, then into Iraq. He never did take care of bin Laden. Indeed, he told us he had wearied of the search for him. He wasn't really that important he told us. Republicans were strangely silent on the subject. After all, they had been told that to disagree with the administration was unpatriotic.
It was a Democratic candidate for the Presidency at the end of the Bush Administration, who flatly said he would get bin Laden. He went so far as to say he'd kill the murderous bastard even if he found him in Pakistan. That candidate, Senator Barack Obama was elected President, and he did exactly what he said he would do. He sent a SEAL team into Pakistan. The team blew up Osama bin Laden and threw his body away.
That was one year ago. Twelve years Osama bin Laden remained on the Most Wanted list. Twelve years! He was on that list spanning the entire administration of President George W. Bush. For ten years, following the hijackings and the destruction of the World Trade Center, that bastard managed to stay one step ahead of death.
One year ago, SEAL Team 6 at the order of President Barack Obama delivered death to the bin Laden household in Pakistan. That's an anniversary well worth remembering. It provided some measure of closure for Americans who could not forget his evil.
Thank you President Obama. Thank you SEAL Team 6. Thanks to the intelligence community and the military for continuing the search that led to this very satisfactory result. Mr. Romney, I'll thank you to keep your lying mouth shut.
So now Massachusetts Senate hopeful Lizzy Warren apparently is a "Native American". That's a big part of the reason she got a job at Harvard, who was looking to increase diversity when they hired her, and that paid her enough to be a 1%-er. So it looks like this blue eyed blond is part of the ancient heritage of the country.
I'm certain Lizzy can spin yarns about her peoples struggles through their centuries of oppression.
In other news, Senator Scott Brown, Lizzy's opponent, will claim today he is an African American.
One (big O) of them killed Bin Laden, while the other one (Romo) just talks about it.
President Obama made it happen by devoting resources to the mission; while Romney said we shouldn't move a mountain to find one man.
President Obama says that if we have actionable intelligence that he is in Pakistan, and Pakistan government was unwilling to act, he will. AND HE DELIVERED ON THAT PROMISE... Romney on that other hand criticized that statement.
President Obama says we need to say Detroit (banding with Bush).... Romney says "Let Detroit go bankrupt!!"
Guess which one is being presidential? What does romney have to stand on at this point? Foreign policy or economy... by any yard sick you want to measure him against president Obama.. he's failed.
Sure you did Marco - sure you did! *wink wink*
A mistake would be reaching for the wrong card once...
Doing so repeatedly exposes you as another cheating tea bagger!
Like Palin & her klan who bilked the RNC for hundreds of thousands of dollars to dress up the Wasilla Hillbillies!
It is clear that NBC/MSNBC are the communication wing of the Obama re-election campaign. Of course MSNBC came up with the slogan of "Lean Forward", but this slogan is much too complex for most of the Liberal faithful and Obama lovers, so Obama shortened it to just "Forward". This after trying out other complex slogans like "Win The Future" (WTF) and an oldie but goodie, "Hope and Change" (that one was hilarious).
That's what this election will be all about for Obama, slogans, false fights with the GOP and Romney, and lots of bread and circuses to entertain the dolts who are his base voters.Maybe the Obama campaign will get some fancy Soviet style marching music to go along with their lewftwing rhetoric as documented here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/apr/30/new-obama-slogan-has-long-ties-marxism-socialism/
It is beyond me, Feisty, that this dead beat dad is even running again and that anyone would consider voting for him. And that was before this latest.
Feisty, dead-beat dad Joe Walsh and conservatives who have made similar claims these past years simply do not understand WHY we embraced and voted for President Obama. It is because they cannot comprehend what we saw in him during the keynote speech he gave in 2004 and it had nothing to do with the color of his skin.
I see Bill, Fairfax, is spinning again. Nice try, Bill, but the ball you threw falls short. The trouble is President Bush didn't bother to look for Osama bin Laden; he let him escape at Tora Bora and in March 2002 said he didn't give him much thought, wasn't concerned about him at all. OBL was worth more to Bush/Cheney alive than dead--who would they tout for Americans to fear was plotting another attack? Cheney said in 2004, if you elect John Kerry, we will be hit again. Instead of "spiking the ball", George W. Bush and Dick Cheney took their eyes off the OBL ball, off Afghanistan to invade Iraq. Bush disbanded the CIA unit devoted to finding bin Laden.
WHOA!
Someone who shall remain unamed got an inbox full of GNOP talking points this morning!
GRRR... Go git em tiger! lmao
Wow another fluff piece by the A$$ kiss Brian Williams. Obama "longest 40 minutes of my life" , well your presidency has been the longest 3 1/2 years of mine!
SF,
His ego is on steroids...
Did he bow before, during, or after the interview? Or did he just grovel on his knees?
Smiffy,
The Obama Administration got bin Laden.
The GOP (Bush, McCain, Romney) refused to do so.
Get used to it.
Wait, there was a President before Barack Obama?
Gee, to listen to Republicans it sounds like the sum of recorded history began on January 20, 2009.
Feisty - JAS certainly spouts what she's told doesn't she? What a total joke.
The best thing Romney could do is never bring Osama bin Laden up. His buddies decided they had no energy to take him out and that he wasn't worth it. We finally got a President that said no matter what, he would capture or kill Osama and he did. Romney looks like the man/child he is when he whines about President Obama talking about having Osama killed.
We all saw Bush standing under the "Mission Accomplished" sign in his little leather jacket boasting about taking Iraq - even while our brave men and women lost their lives. And, we were all appalled when Bush used images of 9/11 in his re-election campaign - even though victims families were outraged.
All President Obama is doing is talking about his record on the war on terrorists. He doesn't use any disturbing images - just the facts. Funny how now the GOP minds.
The GOP has nothing and has become a party of nothings. JAS and NJNB show that every day. It is sad when a once proud group falls so low. Maybe one day the party will rebuild and regain something of its integrity. Until then, why in the world would any competent person be part of the GOP?
Gotta run - meetings all morning!
Right on, Right on Joanna.
Hey, Q for the looney libs......
.......didn't Bill "I heart blue dresses" Clinton have the opportunity to nail bid Laden back in the 90's and thought better of it and leveled pill factories??
Ooooops, nevermind, the pill factory was a Hoffman "Wag The Dog" Special.
Feisty, I'm glad I set my coffee down before reading that post about NJNB going door to door to push her dog meat obsession!
David Walker, terrific post. We can place a sure bet that if President Obama had not choosen the riskiest of the plans presented him, the one that would provide proof of Osama bin Laden's death--not to mention the treasure trove of intelligence and evidence gathered in OBL's residence--the right wingers would be claiming OBL's not really dead.
Bill Studwell, President Obama has never claimed to have personally gotten Osama bin Laden; he has always given credit to those who did; his words have always been to credit the Navy SEALS, and the CIA for finding him.
The President gave the order. Bush, McCain and Romney are all on record saying they would not have given such an order.
...and please also consider that if it goes wrong are not blaming the President and screaming at the top of your lungs for his resignation and/or impeachment?
JoAnnaSmith1:
Reduced to using the British tabloids for your "sources" again?
The article you linked to is laughable. President Obama has never said he was "the only one" who would have made the call. He has never taken sole credit for the bin Laden mission; on the contrary, he has praised the SEALs and the rest of his intelligence gathering team at every oportunity.
But wait, this is the best part:
No, wait, this quote attributed to a "former intelligence official" is pretty good, too:
Give me a break.....
Arriana Huffington agrees with that sentiments, as does left wing firebrand Dana Milbank:
"The preezy of the United Steezy is making me queasy... because his nonstop campaigning is looking, well, sleazy — and his ad suggesting that Mitt Romney wouldn't have killed Osama bin Laden is just the beginning of it."
But there's more:
"In a political culture that long ago surrendered to the permanent campaign, Obama has managed to take things to a whole new level. According to statistics compiled for a book to be published this summer, the president has already set a record for total first-term fundraisers — 191 — and that's only through March 6. Measured in terms of events that benefit his reelection bid, Obama's total (inflated in part by relaxed fundraising rules) exceeds the combined total of George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter."
By golly, that's a heck of a lot of fundraisers.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/president-obama-campaigner-in-chief/2012/04/30/gIQATAfbsT_story.html
Bill Studwell: "Because, according to the stories that came out of the White House after the Bin Laden killing, it was Leon Panetta, and Hillary Clinton who had to talk Obama into doing it."
Good morning, J. Merle Stanley! What's the latest on that Daniel Adkins story you got banned for last week?
Liberals, by definition, are accountable for nothing. Dumb Fux copy and pastes about some "dead-beat dad" but never mentions what kind family style guy Bill Clinton was. Liberals like Dumb Fux and Insanity just spew the party line talking points they hear from their Rachel or their Ed. They're just mindless drones incapable of any independent thought.
Obama has the time. He's not really doing much of anything else.
A little advice for Romney. STAY AWAY FROM THE BIN LADEN TIME BOMB.
Your not even in the same league with our President when it comes with how to deal with Bin Laden. Your a BUSH leaguer (pun intended). Typical Republican, let's just avoid the question and challenge.
Republican response:
BUSH - " I just don't think of him that much".
ROMNEY - " I wouldn't spend millions of dollars chasing Bin Laden".
LIARS, with no courage to be up to the challenge.
Thank you President Obama for having the courage to rid our Country and the World of this monster when others wouldn't.
Obama in 2012.
السلام عليكم to my Osama Bin Laden Loving Republicans!
And ä½ å¥½ to my Don't Fix The Economy Democrats!
I find my fellow Koran Agenda Republicans refreshingly wimpy when it comes to combat now, even though they say they are pro-military. Obviously, ONLY pro-military when the military action fails and is led by one of our senior Muslim Clerics, like Mullah George W. Bush!
BUT I also find my fellow Manifesto swearing Democrats refreshingly combative when it comes to making sure financial firms are still not regulated to prevent a finanial crisis like we had in 2008. Truthfully, though a lake of fire is promised for you after you die, while you live you have mastered the art of convincing me that as long as I have universal health care, it is still okay to lose my house and all my money!
Koran for 2012! Vote Republican! Because a Republican vote proves you support Osama Bin Laden over Obama!
What do you suggest? Taking another step down and going with the New York Times?
Ooh! Ooh! Do me next!
If Obama had hit the half court shot that Brown hit, NBC would have a done an hour long special about it.
LOL!
Ruken,
You might want to rethink that - Snuffy's isn't all that good!
You certainly wouldn't get your monies worth!
Obama would then challenge Romney to do the same, and the "media" would be hounding Romney to show he can shoot baskets too, because that apparently is how we select presidents these days.
So when is Obama going to talk about the little things, like entitlement reform, unemployment, Afghanistan, tax reform, and the deficit/debt?Maybe when he goes on Leno he'll bring some of them up, maybe he can slo-jam about them.
Listen, there's a long list of politicians who've run, and won, on their military experience. Not a single one of us know the balls it must have took to make the call, not to just send a drone in, but to risk the lives of our SEALS when he didn't even know for sure it was Bin Laden.
That is, far and away, a presidential decision and the mark of a leader. While he's let me down in some areas, Obama has fulfilled his role as CIC. Those trying to take that away from him look petty at best. You all know that, had the mission failed, it would have been open season.
By all means, criticize what should be criticized, but give credit where credit is do. You all look like you've ate a bunch of sour grapes. Is your political ideology really more important than akowledging the death, and the effort it took to accomplish that death, of the world's, worst, "baddie"???
No, Sarah, we just know that if you are a non-RINO Republican, it means you have to make a story that everything Obama does is bad, not just the things he actually did bad, but the good ones too. Likewise, you have to make a story that everything Bush W. did was good, even the bad things.
So, I'm convinced the 'NEO' conservatives actually approve of Osama Bin Laden bombing the WTC. Got to be true if you follow that path.
Also remember, its not shooting baskets, its that he looks like a cool guy to have a beer with. WAIT! A double edged sword!
I just keep picturing an army of Frankenstein type monsters, drooling and repeating, "Obama bad! Gahhhh!!!!"
Bill Studwell
Those stories didn't come out of the White House; They came out of the rightwing nutjob blogosphere (the wingnut-o-sphere for short). Obama's opinion was in the minority among his advisers, who advised him to either take the safer route of just bombing the compound to rubble or not doing it at all.
White Collar Auto
Uh, actually, Obama did make a surprisingly good long-distance basket while in Afghanistan during the 2008 campaign, as I recall. NBC mentioned it, but there was no one-hour special about it. There goes another of your kook conspiracies theories about the media down the porcelain facility.
"Agency officials said that tracking Mr. bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened....
'The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever," said Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, a C.I.A. spokeswoman....
An intelligence official who was granted anonymity to discuss classified information said the closing of the bin Laden unit reflected a greater grasp of the organization. 'Our understanding of Al Qaeda has greatly evolved from where it was in the late 1990's," the official said, but added, "There are still people who wake up every day with the job of trying to find bin Laden."
Now, explain to me again just which one of us is doing the spinning?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?_r=1
I don't like Walsh at all, but let's be realistic here. The facts are "some" individuals voted for Pres Obama because of the color of his skin. Just as people voted for Bush because he was from Texas or Carter because he was Baptist and from the south. Or even Kennedy because he was Catholic. Has absolutely nothing to do with race other than in a far left liberal's mind.
Now Walsh was technically wrong on one thing and that is when he stated that Pres Obama was the first African-American president. To be "African" American, one has to be able to trace "both" lineages back to Africa. Just as the President's before him, he's American as you or I are. He's not African-American, Irish-American, English-American, he's a mixture of all pots.
If you want to really get technical, all the President's before him have African blood in them, as do you and I, because we ALL trace back to Africa. In fact he is the seventh person of African ancestry. Six presidents of African ancestry have preceded him.
What is traceable, we find that Pres Obama is English, African and a little bit of Irish. Gee sounds like an American to me. It's about time that a handful of people from both sides stop using the so called race card when trying to support your agenda. At least know a bit about ancestry and where you actually come from before assigning a person to one ethnic group.
First Read:
A smirk is " An affected, often offensively self-satisfied smile" according to the dictionary. I watched that conference, and I didn't see any "smirk" when Obama made that comment. Is this Chuck Todd's personal animosity toward the president rearing its ugly head again?
I agree Sarah, that decision of putting lives in danger is difficult for any individual who is sitting in the White House. And I commend him for making that decision. But as a Leader he should have left it there, in the decision room and not use it in a political ad that ends with asking the question would the other candidate make this decision. Now if he wanted to create an ad that shows him as a leader, that is one thing and many before him has done so. But when he put in the last frame with the photo and statement about Romney, he crossed the line. Showed bad leadership and frankly childish behavior.
Bill Farifax:
That's an easy one. You are. Bush said he wasn't all that interested in Bin Laden.Bin Laden got away at Tora Bora because Bush didn't deploy sufficient forces there to capture him. Bush's mind, such as it is, was already focusing on his disastrous Iraq misadventure when he could have gotten Bin Laden. There's a reason why Obama got Bin Laden two and half years into his presidency and Bush could do it in seven years. Bush was incompetent and Obama is competent.
In short, they had done nothing and were still doing nothing. Nice try there Bill. Better give them back their check this morning and find a different way to rag on the President. Over 10 years Bill! 10 years, no mater how you try and spin it, under the shrub they failed and failed miserably because it just wasn't a priority.
This is clearly an interpretation of the events of the time, and is certainly not giving any credit to the actual thought behind why there weren't massed forces at Tora Bora. You can blame the failure, but you are not correct about the tactical reasoning, except by conspiracy theory and speculation.
Wait a second, I am on First Read. Let me rephrase my comments. I MUST LOVE ONE POLITICAL PARTY AND MAKE UP STUFF SO I NEVER HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ANYTHING, AND LOVE A ONE PARTY SYSTEM IN AMERICA!
You see why making fun of Democrats and calling them Communists is not an entirely off the mark comment? Of course, then there are our Koran loving Republicans...
JoAnnaSmith1
Now even the Navy SEALs are critical of Obama bragging about how he's the only one that would have ordered the hit on bin Laden.
Hey Smurf,
You don't think your UK source is from right wing hack sites; do you? I do. As evidenced by googling; nothing but right wing hack sites pop up first.
Here they are:
a. The Phophet of Doom, Glenn Beck's "The Blaze"
b. Murdoch's Newmax, who by the way has been determined unfit for business.
UK lawmakers: Rupert Murdoch unfit to run company
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-britain-murdochbre8400io-
c. Fox News.con
d. Hannity.com
GOP Should Be Careful Criticizing Obama on the Bin Laden Raid
The mistake Republicans are making with their complaints about Obama using bin Laden's death for campaign purposes is that they merely draw attention to Obama's biggest foreign policy success. Accuse someone of gloating, and you just remind people of the event or accomplishment that person is touting. And it looks a little petty to be mad that bin Laden was killed under Obama's watch instead of former President Bush's command. Bush hasn't made such small-minded comments—in fact, he's been impressively quiet throughout Obama's presidency. If the GOP wants to defeat Obama, they should draw attention to his missteps, not his successes.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/susan-milligan/2012/04/30/gop-should-be-careful-criticizing-obama-on-the-bin-laden-raid
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Just remember it was George Bush who appeared with a "Mission Accomplished" banner—when the mission was far from accomplished. How many tax dollars did he waste with this foolish mission? He should return them
Futhermore, who in their right mind would let that fool co-pilot a plane; when he never showed up for drill?
You people are sick ; you'd think with all the chagrin you idiots are qwaking about President Obama's killing bin Laden is the same as killing an ALLY!!!!!!
You know I find it TRULY amazing that the GOP/TP want to bitch and moan about how the "Barackness Monster" is politicizing the matter on the death of OBL, YET they had NO PROBLEM doing it to John Kerry during the 2004 Presidential Campaign!!!!!
Let's be REAL CLEAR: "Dubya" willfully and recklessly SQUANDERED the opportunity he had to get Osama Bin Laden after the events of 9/11 when he had him holed up in Tora Bora , Afghanistan...AND FAILED TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT ASS!!!!! Instead, Bush went to a country that had no connection WHATSOEVER to Al-Qeada, had NO WMDs, but wanted to settle a "personal score" with Saddam Husein. As for those that say that the information we obtained on his whereabouts was through the torture programs is so full of bull@!$%# that it's not even funny!! As Governor Jesse Ventura put it: "You give me a water-board, Dick Cheney and ONE HOUR, and I will have him confess to the Sharon Tate Murder!!!!" In short, a person will say ANYTHING, EVEN IF IT'S A LIE, to make the torture stop!!!
Mitt Romney stated ANYONE would have given that order to get Bin Laden...an amusing statement; how "patriotic" of him to say that. But in order for me to believe that, he is going to be hard-pressed in explaining to me WHY he made statements to the contrary, going so far as to invoke Jimmy Carter's name into the fray. Again, LET'S BE CLEAR: Carter proved to me that he had the GUTS to make a decision when it came to the Iran Hostage Situation, and he stood by that decision EVEN THOUGH the mission ended in abject failure. Had the mission to go in and get OBL ended in a TOTAL DISASTER, President Obama would have been excoriated NOT JUST from the right, BUT from the left AS WELL!!! Obama placed his crank on the chopping block NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE when he stated that he would go in to Paskistan to get a pound of flesh off of Bin Laden's hide. EVERYONE on the right, TO INCLUDE WAR HERO JOHN McCAIN AND CURRENT GOP/TP FRONTRUNNER MITT ROMNEY, called him naive for making that statement. From that day forward, Conservatives have been eating crow and humble-pie.
I credit Obama for saying yes. No more no less!
CLB,
I think he has the right to make his case for being a capable leader during this election cycle, and to question the capability of the other candidate. Especially considering that it would have been fair game to ATTACK him for it, had he failed. If it works one way, it works the other.
It's not like he's smoking a stogie, talking about how he, himself, pulled the trigger and how his "gun" is bigger than Romney's.
Houston, I watched that clip several times and not once was there a "smirk" on President Obama's face. You are right about Chuck Todd's personal animosity showing again with that line.
cb, what you're saying is that no President should ever take credit or use anything they have done to prove their ability to lead the country. That's nonsense. We are in an election year and it is appropriate for any President to produce their "resume" for voters to review. If you think George W. Bush wouldn't still be doing cartwheels if he had actually found OBL, then you are not looking at politics realistically; Bush and Cheney were quick to use 9/11, OBL and terrorism in everything they did and said in 2004. The GOP 2008 candidates also embraced and used 9/11 to their benefit. The Obama ad is not about Osama bin Laden, the ad is pointing out the LEADERSHIP President Obama displayed in making the "decision"; OBL is merely the backdrop example of the kind of LEADER President Obama is. The GOP insists on fighting a lot of wars, used 9/11, OBL and terrorism as fear cards, President Obama has every right to remind the GOP and voters exactly who has been the stronger leader, who got it done.
Romney Tweeted that Obama deserved recognition for ordering the killing of Osama. This shows his character. I wonder if Obama would have done the same if the roles were reversed?
I am sure "MITTENS" is so mad he could just " SCREAM" just another" Wuss"!
Psychoses (e.g., schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) are major mental illnesses characterized by severe symptoms such as delusions, hallucinations and an inability to evaluate reality in an objective manner.
Mitt, it’s time to see a doctor. If your primary care doctor cannot treat your mental illness, he will refer you to a specialist.
OBAMA/BIDEN!!!
Kevin, terrific post!
One more thought for CB, President Bush did not seem to give much thought to risking the lives of our military personnel to start an unnecessary war in Iraq while ignoring the Afghanistan War where Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were. Candidate Obama before he ever became a US Senator summed up Bush's chosen war for what it was "a dumb war". It is one thing to risk lives to seek, find and perhaps capture or kill the perpetrators of terrorist attacks, it is another to risk lives because President Bush and VP Cheney didn't like Saddam Hussein. Bush/Cheney lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to the military they so readily put in harms way.
Ron Indiana
I understand President Obama has asked President Clinton to help in his campaign. Wonder if Romney will ask "W" for his help? Doubt it. Come to think about it, Bush 43 hasn't even endorsed Romney. Now that is one thing "W" did right
"W" will never, ever show up with Romney because he knows he "F"^&$...ed up. (big time). That's why "W" has been so silent!!!!
Ah, here we go again, the Fairfaux spinning history to match his crazy sicko-mind. My, the very use of IRONY must have been a stretch for the pathological faux liar,
"What Bush-like tactics were used by Obama?", one has to ask the fauxalian habitual and seething liar, that is the fauxian garbage dump. Ah, it must be the war monger tactic of leading a country into invading an unrelated country into war. So there we have it - a useless piece of commentary telling us that Obama uses Bush's war tactics to take out Obama, when nothing of the sort occurred. The only useful piece of crap this useless poster gives us is a reminder, much like NJBJ, that they love to reinvent history and ignore reality. Acid trip, anyone?
Sadly, it is becoming apparent that the Republicans on this site would rather have OBL alive (still plotting terror against Potus and America) than to have been eliminated by President Obama. Truly if their Country and American Patriotism was FIRST, they would be able to give credit where credit is due for the leader who made the call the make it happen. Truly, one would think that this was one of those events that is non-partisan. How can any American, downplay the extraordinary weight of this decision and the outcome? to say "ANYONE or ANY Potus could and would do this" is absolutely ridiculous and ignorant! Anything the Potus does well is now spun to be "well WE would have done that too" or "it would have been better if we HAD decided to do it". This is like a bunch of kindergarteners...THIS is what GOP leadership has to offer??? SAD!
The GOP comments continue to reflect the that hatred of Obama exceeds love of country. Wow.
May God Bless Potus and America!
The difference between the GOPand Obama is simple. The GOP leadership thinks the job is done when they can hang a "mission accomplished" banner and dress up and play soldier. Obama actually got the job done. "Bin Lauden is dead and GM isn't." Plain and simple. It took the GOP 8 years to destroy our economy with their tax cuts for the rich,unnecessary wars and reckless spending. Only a fool would expect any president to repair that damage in one term. Especially when the GOP has done all it can to hinder the recovery for political gain. The GOP supporters remind me of the Russian citizens when communism fell. They expected things to be 100% better immediately and it wasn't. Immediately doesn't happen in economies. The recovery will be a slow one for one simple fact. The American worker has learned that he /she may not have a job tommorrow. That they better not spend on that new car or other major purchases. Don't take that vacation, it could cost you your job. People that are out of work don't spend. People that fear losing their job don't spend. America's rich and corporations have learned keep their money in secret accounts offshore (LIKE ROMNEY DOES) and out of our economy.
Pretty sad to think Obama finds it politically expedient to espouse the killing of OBL. Obama's role in taking out OBL was nothing more then being the one sitting at the desk when an order needed to be granted. Nothing else Obama has done led to that day, and trying to brag he was the only one that could pull it off is pretty demeaning to the office of the President of the United states.
Obama seems to have forgotten the adage, you have to be willing to take the good with the bad. Obama is more the willing to take credit for anything good that befalls his administration whether they played a role or not. But anything bad, and Obama is the first one out the door in front of the cameras blaming someone else. Obama is suppose to be a leader, and yet he seems prone to division.
Of course Obama has the race card up his sleeve, and reading through the posts of his supporters, there is no time like the present to use it. Disagree with Obama and you are a racist. I am not sure the word "racist" has ever been thrown around more then in the past 4 years. I killed OBL, you are a racist, everything is their fault, what a great record for Obama to run on.
Come on MSNBC
If you are going to quote Romney on things...use the entire quote. Don't stop short to try to skew the meaning.
"It's not worth moving Heaven and Earth and spending Billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat violent Jihad, and I have a plan for doing that."
Not wanting to spend billions locating OBL is not the same as not being willing to send in the SEALs if OBL was found.
Kevin-458252
Bush went to a country that had no connection WHATSOEVER to Al-Qeada, had NO WMDs, but wanted to settle a "personal score" with Saddam Husein.
Kevin
Let's not forget. Bin Laden did not even consider Sadeem a Muslim because he killed his own people.
All I know about Bin Laden is that from a book on Islam I read he and Sadeem had no hook up. Bin Laden was frantically a fundamentalist Muslim. Sadeem was a "mad butcher and dictator" in bin Laden's eyes.
Here is more support from a link:
Former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge claims in a new book that he was pressured by other members of President George W. Bush's Cabinet to raise the nation's terror alert level just before the 2004 presidential election.
I'm angry that US lost our sons, daughter, cousins, fathers, mothers, and friends all because George Bush was a puppet to the war profiteers and he drained US and the world's. That is what right wing hacks should be upset about too. Not to mention that Bush drained our economy for political reasons and playing universal cowboy.
In every poll taken in the Islamic world Osama consistently beat USA president Bush. He is a lot more relevant than Bush thought because his politics (not his religion) represents the mood of the Arab, Turkish and Pakistani street.
Osama also hated Arafat (another "apostate" who was not Muslim enough) and Saddam Hussein (ditto). These were his original targets. In a sense, he viewed secular leaders presiding over Islamic lands as a bigger danger for Islam than the infidels.
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/osama.html
Maxwell's -
You're absolutely right, we should use the entire quote. So could you please also print the part where Romney went on to say what his "plan" or his "effective strategy" actually was? Or is today?
That's okay, we'll wait.....
So now that we are all focussed on the Obama hit on BinLaden did we just miss the fact that MSNBC/NBC glossed over the Chen Guangcheng story in last nights national news until after they had spent the first half of the newscast praising Obama for killing BinLaden.
When they finally did get to the story, Obama acted as if he didn't know what was going on. His words "I did hear the media reports of the situation". I wonder if he heard them from Fox or CBS, because NBC was saying anything.
So now his foreign policy is to listen to the news? I thought he was calling the shots!
This is going to get really interesting fast. I want to see how this all plays out before the elections. Maybe we should be putting Jon Huntsman in the white house, at least he can speak Chinese, Obama couldn't speak anything in last nights report. I don't think I have seen him so speechless.
JoAnnaSmith1--just for the record, you have completely lost any credibility for ANYTHING you post until you back up your false statement that Romney saved lots of companies from bankruptcy. I suggest that either you are very poorly informed or lying. Name one company the he "saved". Or name just one successful businessman who has stepped up to sing his praises. Just one. If you can't or won't respond, I'll assume you're admitting that you're caught in either a lie or a very uninformed remark that can't be backed up. I'm waiting dear...waiting...(crickets)..waiting...anything
Ah, but you continue to feel the need to offer ever more lame rebuttals to what this "useless poster" has to say. Thanks for reading.
JoAnne in PA-
No one releases the details of their strategic military plans. If they did, then the enemy could circumvent them.
There's a reason you don't see Obama's, didn't see Bush's, or Clinton's etc etc etc.
BTW...just a little word of advice for all the teabaggers, neocons, troglodytes, and the minute handful of thinking repugnicans out there...
I learned this in my teen and pre-teen years. It seems a little odd that you guys haven't gotten it yet- slow learning curve or something- maybe you missed school that day. But I learned that if I was interested in the same girl as another schoolboy, it was very counter-productive to trash him and insult him, pick fights with him, or run him down to the girl I liked. If you do, it makes you look bad and the girl you're interested will get defensive for him and defend him and put up a wall between you and her. Pretty easy concept really. I feel- and I know there are many like me- that President Obama has made many mistakes but they were honest mistakes. Given an attractive alternative, I may choose to make him a one term president. But the Pugs have not given a decent alternative. Further, as you wail away on my president, I become defensive for him because his attackers are, for the most part,half-witted fools or liars and thieves. Not only that, many of his mistakes have been forced by vicious, unreasoning, unrelenting,baseless personal attacks.
Honey and vinegar.dudes. If you can't beat President Obama with an intelligent, well-thought out line of reasoning, you won't beat him at all- and in the process, you make yourself look like jackasses and fools. Think about it. Use your brain, not your venom sack.
Race is not a card. Mr. Obama has NEVER ran a campaign on race or referenced his race as a reason to vote for or against him. HE has not been the one to divide this country by race. We have our Founding Fathers to thank for that! (read your American history).
To the dismay of every GOP hater who baited him (and continues to do so), called him every name (but Child of God), posted horrible demeaning cartoons and characatures of him of, his wife, and African heritage....Mr. Obama has NOT taken the bait to make this about black and white.
Given the horrible racial history of our country, Mr. Obama came into this position knowing racism is NOT a win for the country as we try to move forward. He, his wife and daughters were prepared to be shocked, stunned & hurt by the overt and covert racism and attacks and labels they have received. I am sure they have encountered things we will never know. Also, knowing the GOP would take this strategy against him. He knew His election as the first African American POTUS certainly has brought out the worst in MANY people who previously would have sworn they did not have any issues with blacks, but their actions demonstrate they were NOT really ready for an African American Potus. Then there are those who knew the had racial issues even before he was elected and his election has infuriated them to boiling over.
From Mr. Obama's inaugeration, the GOP plotted to divide this country anyway they could to "make this a 1 Term" presidency and RACE for them was not out of bounds...so now attempt to lay the blame for their hate & division on the object of their hate. America is not fooled!
God Bless Potus and America!
As a conservative who votes both ways, I have been stunned at how this new GOP face of Leadership has sold out the country to defeat a man.
as kind of an aside on my last post, many of the hardcore Obama-haters have actually helped firm up his support from people like me...wise up.
Paris, you are only adding to my belief that the actual conservatives have no place in the 'image only' Republican Party that continues to make headline news. They want big government that enacts their own agenda, the faux conservatives. It is why Santorum got as far as he did (and which was way too far).
Bev, They did find WMD, it just wasn't publicized. This was released in the latest group of wiki-leaks documents...
Thomas Blue, 2.7 million less woman in the work force because of this presidents policies fact.
Thomas,
You want to call out people for their posts. You might as well include FR Dumb Fuxs, Beverly Chicago, Jody Iowa, Ruken and Joanne.
The posts on this site used to be meaningful. Now they are just playground fodder. The site has become a facebook substituion.
Where is the reason? Where are the discussions. No where to be found. Just FR trying to be first so she can marvel at how many mindless facebook posters will vote for her dribble. Beverly in Chicago most of the time cannot spell most of her words correctly to Jody and Sara who make no sense.
Try posting meaningful ideas and not just one liner replies from others who have no idea what they are talking about.
Thank you
Thank you Mr Obama for keeping in place the security protocols set by G. Bush after 9/11
Shame on you Mr Obama for playing the children's game of " I did it and you wouldn't have, nyah, nyah, nyah!". Not cool Obama, not cool at all!
Romney's team is obviously very poor at picking their battles.
I think a few moments reflection by any semi-sane person would have resulted in the conclusion to just ignore the Bin Laden episode and move on to something like the economy.
Where do we find these people?
Today is the BIGGEST bunch of sour grapes I have ever seen! How embarrassing for the folks on here trying to negate what our president and the American people successfully accomplished. The best comment you can make is "congrats" or nothing at all. Of course Seal Team 6 deserves the credit but if they failed, Obama would have been lambasted for failure. Leadership starts at the top and that organizing of the Killing of OBL was true leadership.
geo-1957883
any proof of that?
As an independent that voted for Obama and Kerry, I am very disappointed in Obama trying to politicize killing OBL in a campaign add - especially when he questions whether or not his opponent would have made the same decision. I'm guessing this approach works for people in his party, but I'm pretty sure it will cost him a lot of independent voters....
Gees, some people sure have a problem with Obama making the right call as Commander in Chief. Get over it. He is the Commander in Chief. The first clue that Obama was willing to make tough calls is found in a speech he gave at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, D.C., Aug. 1, 2007.
He did exactly what he said he would do. Thank you, President Obama.
I have no problem with Obama taking the action - my problem is turning it into a political issue.
In regard to the anniversary of bin Laden's death, and now that all the intelligence has been recovered and analyzed, I find it very interesting to learn more about this historic event. I couldn't watch the documentary on 9-11 until about a year ago (too sad), but now we know all the details of that day.
It is interesting to learn that President Obama made that decision against most of his advisers. He could have just bombed the compound and played it safe. But the intel gathered helped the Obama administration to get many more Al Qaeda operatives.
As for Flip Romney, first his remark about Jimmy Carter was ignorant, disrespectful, and offensive. Carter made a gutsy decision to rescue American hostages, and lives were lost that night due to a sand storm (the US did not have desert-capable equipment yet). President Obama was very aware that failure of his mission would destroy his chances for reelection.
Boehner says Americans don't support a loser. Well, Flip Romney is a loser who has no backbone to stand up to Limbaugh or Ted Nugent, and no backbone to even do interviews, especially with "unfriendly" reporters. Flip Romney would NOT have made that call.
So Flip Romney can STFU about President Carter (who had many accomplishments such as the Camp David Accords), and stop showing his complete lack of political knowledge. His comment was NOT presidential that's for sure.
Kevin-458252 -- I'm not into conspiracy theories, and don't subscribe to the "9-11 was a plot by Dubya" crowd, however, I do believe there was negligence on the part of the Bush/Cheney administration for failure to act on intelligence (from Richard Clark). Also I believe that the Bush/Cheney administration decided to keep bin Laden alive as a boogeyman for their Iraq agenda--along with the nifty color code warnings they would use when ever negative news was about to be reported.
Mark L-464288 -- If there's something you know about WMDs that Dubya didn't, you better get on the phone and call him. Because Dubya admitted publicly that there were NO WMDs.
Ron 186..... You CERTAINLY don't speak for Independent voters. I'm a registered Independent and I can tell you no one I know would even CONSIDER voting for Romney. No plans, no programs, no integrity - no WAY!
Thomas Blue - JAS HAS NO credibility!
True Patriot - Not only did Bush admit there were no WMD's but, when asked "what about the fact that Iraq did not have WMD's, Cheney's reply - "so what?"
Sarah
barack will be the first one to brag about risking the lives of those Seals too. He's a fool for politicizing it and criticisms are coming from all directions. He was one player among so many who were involved and really it was one of the easiest parts to play. Yep, it was.
He was surrounded by a multitude of military experts and advisors and Panetta basically held his hand through the decision. Time recently released a CIA memo from Paneta that paints a little different picture than barack wearing a Superman cape. The mission's primary responsibility fell at the feet of Admiral McRaven. He was also set to be the fall guy if it went badly. So baracks ass was covered with some insurance and you better believe he would have dropped the blame on someone else had it gone south. It's in his nature and the buck NEVER stops with him.
McRaven is a hero, ST6 are heroes, Jose' Rodreguez is a hero (look him up) and barack did exactly what he should have done. Kudo's to him, but he's still a fool for politicizing it.
Rightwingwac - and yet you would have no problem with the right wing politicizing it had a Republican president done it. Did you complain when Bush stood under the Mission Accomplished sign? Were you offended when he ran the photos he did of 9/11 in his re-election ads? My guess is you weren't. My guess is you're a typical two-faced republican
No way, I don't believe it, Feisty made the first post! Well she certainly earns her money from media matters or maybe moveon. She's probably double dipping. Most people on here are just really passionate about their side of politics but then there's people like Feisty who's bought and paid for and just a really bad propagandist.
Joannasmith1 See Feisty ignores me because quite frankly she gets in a corner and just resorts to calling names and trying to belittle people. She has no real substance and can't come up with her own arguments. So when truly confronted with reality she runs and hides. I love libs like her. She truly can't make it through a post without calling someone a name. The only thing she can do is clumsily try to weave insults and as you pointed out, paste other peoples text. She's got this cult like following who love to kiss her ass and I think they all wear buttons at their meetings that resemble her avatar, in fact, I couldn't have picked a better avatar for her myself.
The community collapsed your statement for what? Opposing some typical liberal verbiage? Comical! Well I guess some people on this site prove that they fit the barack mold. Don't say anything meaningful to try and justify your existance, just rip on the opposition, call names, sit on a high horse thinking you're better than your peers and you'll get a following of like minded people.
To your last point; it's interesting that a good sitting president like Reagan didn't have a single fundraising event in 1984. If barack was worth his weight (which isn't much at all) why does he need such a big war chest? Oh yeah, to over-pay people like Feisty to come up with bad insults on his opponent.
Seeking you sure guess alot.
I thought Bush was an Ass-hole for that display and I bitched about it for a month! Then I found out that the Navy and the broadcasters put the sign up for effect without him knowing. Then I got pissed because I thought he should have addressed it at that moment. Like (in GW accent and slang) "that sign back behind me says mission accomplished, as much as I appreciate the confidence I've got to say we need to move forward with optimism but caution. This mission is not over but God bless the brave men and women who got us this far."
How do you like them apples Seeking? Good thing you know me so well but your crystal frickin' ball is seriously off kilter.
Another thing, when I write, I write a whole lot (as apposed to pasting like Feisty does) so go ahead and take the time, if you actually need proof, to look at what I've said. NO I wouldn't be happy if the republicans politicized it. IT'S FU#$ING WRONG ON ANY LEVEL! That piece of garbage was responsible for more deaths on American soil than anything except the Civil War and you guys keep buying into this media fed BULL SHI$!
WE, as in AMERICA took him out and I don't give a rats azz who was in charge but just that we took him out. Thank GOD above for the brilliance of barack obama. There is that what you'd like, does it change a frickin thing? He made the call he and nobody should politicize it, that's the bottom line.
I guess this is the part that I say my guess is that you are the quintessential, typical liberal who ignorantly scans a headline without ever looking further and decides where their going to stand on the issue. No wonder he's president.
List of Obama's kills pretty impressive.........
Osama bin Laden, check, al Qaeda’s chief of Pakistan operations, Abu Hafs al-Shahri,
Atiyah ‘Abd al-Rahman, the deputy leader of al Qaeda was killed, one of the group’s
most dangerous commanders, Ilyas Kashmiri, was killed in Pakistan, Al-Qa’ida in East Africa
(AQEA) senior leader Harun Fazul was killed, In Yemen that same month, AQAP senior
operatives Ammar al-Wa’ili, Abu Ali al-Harithi, and Ali Saleh Farhan were killed,
U.S./Pakistani joint arrest of Younis al-Mauritani in Quetta, check, Tehrik e-Taliban
Pakistan leader Baitullah Mahsud was killed in Pakistan, Jemayah Islamiya operational
planner Noordin Muhammad Top was killed in Indonesia, and AQEA planner Saleh Ali Saleh
Nabhan was killed in Somalia, in Pakistan, al Qaeda operational commanders Saleh al-
Somali and ‘Abdallah Sa’id were killed, Taliban deputy and military commander Abdul
Ghani Beradar was captured; Haqqani network commander Muhammad Haqqani was killed;
and Lashkar-e Jhangvi leader Qari Zafar was killed, al Qaeda operative Hussein al-Yemeni
was killed in Pakistan, senior Jemayah Islamiya operative Dulmatin - accused of being the
mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombings – was killed, al Qaeda in Iraq leaders Abu Ayyub
al-Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi were killed, al Qaeda’s number three commander, Sheik
Saeed al-Masri was killed, al Qaeda commander Hamza al-Jawfi was killed,
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/...
Hold on I'm still searching for Shrubs accomplishments I have them here somewhere, I placed them on an old 5 1/4 inch floppy disk........ ya know there just weren't that many.
Yeah it must have been all that advanced military training that barack went through that allowed him to kill all those guys. Hell, I'm glad you posted this, I had no idea barack was such a hero. Daaaamn, all the special ops instructors should have him come and speak or do some guest training or something. He's one bad mo-fo that barack. When his statue goes up (which he'll be the first one to recommend it) please let me know....I'll send my pigeons.
Rightwingwac (good name) since you don't seem to like it here, why not get your laundry done, white sheets especially, and go back over to Free Republic, I hear they are in complete meltdown about Romknee's inevitable nomination. I don't usually respond to astroturfing trolls but you appeared to be craving attention. By the way I finally found Bushes accomplishment on the Terror War, ha ha ha, he certainly looks silly with a diaper on under that Mission Accomplished sign.
Seekingsanity,
I never said this would cost Obama all independent voters...I only said I think it will cost him a lot of those votes. I had already decided not to vote for him again (I did vote for him in 2008), but my wife hadn't decided yet until he made those comments. She may not vote for Romney, but she said she is definitely not going to vote for Obama.
Personally, I hope everyone thinks the issues through for themselves and votes for the candidate that best represents their views - be that Obama or Romney.
Funny they're still talking as if Obummers actually gave the kill order, the truth came out folks, Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years, as admitted by Bhutto in her 2007 interview only a few days before a failed attempted assasination, then a successful one a month later...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKDYZfEbEow
The Pentagon admitted they have no proof of the supposed raid on Bin Laden's compound, and of course, we can't even ask the seals that "participated", since they mysteriously dies in a helicopter crash...
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323364
Prohibition doesn't work -- The moon landing was fake too (hahaha).
H8Tparty - cute name, do you have it on your license plate?
Don't like it here? No I love it here...taking on liberal talking points is a really fun hobby and it's sooooo simple to do. Trolling? Um, been around and participated here a while pal. Typical liberal, you learned a new word so you use it every chance you get whether it's relevant or not.
Now the really fun part...white sheets? Now there you go...I can't say I'm surprised. It's been a little while since we've been blessed with that massive display of ignorance. Thank you for proving you're still out there. Now unlike you I'll respond to anyone. I don't back down from a fight whether highly intellectual or like in this case, with a near brain dead parasite.
Now, normally If I were to respond to a race baiting punk like you I would probably say something like; "F-off you race baiting piece of shi$." But that might not be construed as civil discourse. But since I'll respond to anyone, even the lowest scummy forms of fecal matter that wander these parts. I guess I'll just officially say that race baiting is for low life, can't come up with anything cleaver to say arse-holes. So let's see, has anyone posted here recently that fits that description???? Hmmm, oh yeah I see someone, quite clearly.
By the way, your president has done only one thing during his term to be proud of. He made the call for a bunch of brave heroes to go after bin-laden. That's it, your neat little list had nothing to do with him. It's people like you that will give him credit for something that took place while he was trying to pull us out of most of the places. The special ops teams keep working around the world based on their objectives. Those objectives never changed from when Bush was in office...remember, deck of cards?
Ahh whatever, you know what race baitor? barack is God dude...Rock on, did you know he just cured cancer last week but they're waiting for the packaging to be finished before releasing it. Oh yeah he discovered the key to unlocking actual perpetual motion too. But wait, remember the Chilean minors that got stuck? Yep, he went down a rabbit hole head first and rescued them one at a time by pulling them up 300 feet with just a rope and his teeth while he climbed. (but shhhhh, he's so humble he didn't want them to publicize it) They flew him in to single-handedly stop the Denver forest fires WITH JUST A SHOVEL AND A WET TOWEL!! Can you believe that? Now I heard he just finished his $100 flying car. That man is amazing.
Hey race-baitor? Just keep doing what your doing and keep dreaming, your slumber will end in November. maybe I'll change my name to H8baitor"
Rightwingwac said
"Those objectives never changed from when Bush was in office...remember, deck of cards?"
Quite clearly I remember the deck of cards ROFLMAO! You do mean these right???
PS
they have updated it 'cause there are so many more cowardly republicans being found under mommies skirt and slithering out from under rocks. There used to be 54 cards on the nhgazette.com now it's up to 154, yep you guessed it all REPUBLICANS.......... You did mean this deck of card right??? LMAO!
http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks/
http://www.neoconbastards.com/chickenhawkcards/archive.html
I hear your laundry is done but like Ted Nugent they just couldn't get the stain out of your underwear. LOL!
PPS he is on the list too.
I think a better name would be master bater.
Wow, great comeback man.
I'm just stupefied at the brilliance. Also, I'm amazed at the credible sites you linked to. I mean, you stated absolutely nothing. Complete smart assed comback. So you have jumped right in line with a bunch of other lib meatballs on this site. You run and hide behind stupidity when faced with any logic.
By the way, were you actually ROLFL? Come on, I'll bet you weren't, just admit it. You guys are something else.
Did you actually just laugh out loud at your own comment about Ted Nugent? Brother you need to upgrade your simplicity level. I'm glad you entertain yourself. Hey speaking of that...if you would rather be called "master bater" I can do that. Whatever floats it for you. But it doesn't change the fact that you love your race baiting.
Congrats on the articulate comeback that proved nothing at all.
CISPA
and PIPA
The House passed CISPA on April 26 on a mostly-party-line vote, 248-168
-CISPA will give the government access to anyone’s personal information with few privacy protections
-It supersedes all other provisions of the law protecting privacy
-The bill completely exempts itself from the Freedom of Information Act
-CISPA gives companies blanket immunity from future lawsuits
-Most Republicans support CISPA, while most Democrats oppose it
-President Obama threatened to veto it
The Senate has been working on PIPA (PROTECT IP Act - SB968 – introduced May 2011) for nearly a year.
PIPA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect_IP_Act
Somewhere along the way these two bills will become one. I truly hope that by that time they will look much different than either does today. Our Congress will find a way to protect industry against piracy, protect citizens’ privacy while not excessively limiting access to the internet. The Senate has been working on PIPA for 11 months so I doubt that any bill will make it to the President’s desk before Fall but since this is an election year it probably will not get to the President before next year meanwhile Industrial secrets are being stolen every day.
Tell congress not to yield on your privacy.
Dennis, terrific post. I also hope that in the end the final bill looks very different. Republicans keep talking about protecting our freedoms, protecting our right to privacy yet they are the ones supporting legislation which injects government smack dab into our private lives and worse, allowing businesses to invade as well with no legal way to fight back.
One has to love the right-wing freaks and the duplicity they represent. On the one hand, they hate government infringement and are deathly afraid of having RFID chips placed under their skin to track every bowel movement they take. On the other hand, they want government involvement in the most personal experiences, such as regulating the outcomes of sexual activity and more perversely, women's health.
Now personally, I don't want the government involved in watching my bowel movements, my sex-capades, nor my partners periods. Nor do I want the government to monitor my phone calls, emails, and private conversations concerning the above. I would ask the GOP/TP freaks to explain the difference, but all we would get from the empty minded idiots is rhetoric about how they hate Obama because gas prices are
risingoops, falling, a mindless conversation about dogs, and a stupid conversation that Osama is better off alive.You see, the conservative posters here are so inane, they do not understand the difference between a "B" and an "S", although I have to admit, they are wonderful at putting the two together.
Actually 42 Democrats voted in favor of the bill, and 28 Republicans voted against. Funny how that is now being termed "mostly party line vote." Of course it means nothing since Harry Reid won't even bring a House passed bill to the floor. Of course if the Senate would do their job and pass a bill, send it to committee to be reconciled, then maybe the country would get a good bill. Unlike the way ObamaCare was rammed through.
Rick...you may want to re-think your choice of the term "rammed through". The dems tried for over a year to get this done and repugnicans gleefully stalled it with "negotiations" that they never intended to come to fruition. Bill Frist repeatedly threatened to use the "nuclear option" (or as he euphemistically called it, the "constitutional option) of changing Senate rules to break a filibuster at 51 votes. The 'pugs, you may recall, were well short of 60. If Harry Reid were worth a damn as a leader, he would have given the 'pugs 2 weeks to discuss and negotiaite after which, if they want to block a vote, the Senate rules would be changed. The pug's have abused the hell out of this parliamentary procedure whose sole purpose was to prevent a narrow majority from running roughshod over a large minority. It was never intended to be used as a toll to shut down our govt and punish the nation.
Dennis -- Great post.
In regard to the anniversary of bin Laden's death, and now that all the intelligence has been recovered and analyzed, I find it very interesting to learn more about this historic event. I couldn't watch the documentary on 9-11 until about a year ago (too sad), but now we know all the details of that day.
It is interesting to learn that President Obama made that decision against most of his advisers. He could have just bombed the compound and played it safe. But the intel gathered helped the Obama administration to get many more Al Qaeda operatives.
As for Flip Romney, first his remark about Jimmy Carter was ignorant, disrespectful, and offensive. Carter made a gutsy decision to rescue American hostages, and lives were lost that night due to a sand storm (the US did not have desert-capable equipment yet). President Obama was very aware that failure of his mission would destroy his chances for reelection.
Boehner says Americans don't support a loser. Well, Flip Romney is a loser who has no backbone to stand up to Limbaugh or Ted Nugent, and no backbone to even do interviews, especially with "unfriendly" reporters. Flip Romney would NOT have made that call.
So Flip Romney can zip it about President Carter (who had many accomplishments such as the Camp David Accords), and stop showing his complete lack of political knowledge. His comment was NOT presidential that's for sure.
Romney would have never made the call to go in and get bin Laden. The shot at President Carter was as low as you can go. Mittens should pray that he has an ounce of the courage, personal and political integrity, and the character that President Carter has and showed during his time in office and afterwards. For a man who tells lies about his lies he sure likes to throw stones. John McCain is just a pitiful, angry old geezer who needs to retire with Lindsay Graham and lead a quite life.
Well Dennis,
Since Democrats oppose it, I'll have to read it to see what they are worried about. You'll have to excuse me if I don't take your word for it. I'll get back to you on what is in it. I know for sure we DO NOT want PIPA. No Government control of the Internet.
Since all you Obama supporters have been busy defending your man all day you probably haven't heard the truth yet. It is a kick in the head indeed. Someone, thank you whoever you are, leaked a memo from Penata office. It reveals that Obama wanted nothing to do with the killing of Obama. The operation was planned, set up and overseen by Admiral McCraven. When Obama gave the go ahead he sent the memo stating that if the operation went wrong it would be McCraven's fault not his. BAHAHAHAHAHAH, this is priceless with all the political bragging he has done this week.
True Patriot-445959
Hmmmm, you Obama supporters like to pretend that Romney would not have givven the go ahead to get Bin Ladin. That is a real laugh since if Obama had been President when 9-11 happened we never would have found him. Remember the info came from the big bad enhanced interrogation techniques that Bush ok'd and Obama forbid when he showed up. Ergo there would not have been info and no capture. So there!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=47265992�
Take a look even NBC couldn't spin it for Obama.
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio
See this notation from Facebook by Rep. Justin Amash
Justin Amash
I voted "no" on H R 3523, Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act
(CISPA). The bill exempts private entities and utilities from all state and
federal liability when they share "cyber threat information" with the
federal government. That term is defined broadly to mean any information
"directly pertaining to . . . [a] threat to [] a system or network,"
and it may include your personally identifiable
information.
The bill also provides new authority to the federal
government to share your information with the private sector. The government
may use information it receives from companies for purposes beyond
cybersecurity, including protecting minors and national security.
I applaud the Intelligence Committee for accepting
several amendments (including mine) that greatly improved the bill from its
original form. However, the bill's broad liability waiver remains. In addition,
the government may use your personal information for many purposes unrelated to
cybersecurity. It passed 248-168.
Here is the vote count:
April 26, 2012 Roll call number 192 in the House
Question On Passage: H R 3523 To provide for the sharing of certain cyber threat intelligence and cyber threat information between the intelligence community and cybersecurity entities, and for other purposes
Ayes: 248 (Democrat: 42; Republican: 206)
Nays: 168 (Democrat: 140; Republican: 28)
Abstained: 15 (Democrat: 8; Republican: 7)
Required percentage of 'Aye' votes: 1/2 (50%)
Percentage of 'aye' votes: 57%
Result: Passed
The Five Stages Of GOP Reaction To Osama Bin Laden’s Death — And What’s Next
Benjy Sarlin & Evan McMorris-Santoro April 30, 2012
As America nears the one-year anniversary of the operation that killed Osama bin Laden, Democrats are running on the tagline, “bin Laden is dead, General Motors is alive,” as Vice President Joe Biden put it this week.
In truth, both sides have been sharpening their political message since the moment the death was announced. Let’s review the five stages of the evolving Republican response.
1) If You Can’t Say Anything Nice …
Almost no one in the Republican field of then-current or on-the-fence presidential candidates criticized Obama for taking out America’s most-wanted terrorist in 2011. But there were a few notable themes that presaged future partisan warfare. While Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Chris Christie and even Donald Trump congratulated the president on the historic achievement, many went out of their way to avoid mentioning his role in the mission. Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin thanked the military and intelligence communities — and omitted other players. Rick Santorum begrudgingly acknowledged the president’s role while — simultaneously — calling him “not someone I would say is known for fighting great causes in defense of American freedom.” As the months went on, Perry sharpened this line further, answering a question on Obama’s importance to the mission with, “I’m almost positive it was Navy SEALs.”
2) Congratulations, President Bush!
In a parallel effort, veterans of the previous administration took to cable news en masse to spread their own talking point: The real hero of the Pakistan raid was President George W. Bush. Top Bush administration officials like Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld pushed the idea that the raid was only possible because of intelligence gathered through controversial measures like “enhanced interrogation” (or as human rights groups called it, torture).
“I think the tools that President Bush put into place — GITMO, rendition, enhanced interrogation, the vast effort to collect and collate this information — obviously served his successor quite well,” Rove said on Fox News.
Many cited an early Associated Press account of the mission that suggested information that helped track down bin Laden’s courier, the big breakthrough that enabled the mission, may have been extracted under duress from al Qaeda plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. But subsequent reports, including an AP correction, indicated the information came up months after harsher techniques had been abandoned and was volunteered under ordinary interrogation.
3) Stray Attacks
As the initial euphoria of the mission faded, the more daring members of the partisan Republican crowd began testing some genuinely aggressive efforts to take Obama’s big achievement out of the game. Two that stood out: Sean Hannity casually mentioned on his show that the bin Laden raid “wouldn’t have happened if [Obama] had his way, and that can be proven, as well, on tape.” Santorum, still a long-shot candidate at the moment, told a gathering of Jewish Republicans that Obama had blown it by announcing bin Laden had been killed.
4) Even Ralph Nader Would Have Done It
With news of bin Laden’s death more than six months old, Romney began testing a new talking point: Sure, Obama ordered the bin Laden mission. But, hey, who wouldn’t have?
“We’re delighted that he gave the order to take out Osama bin Laden,” Romney said in December. “Any president would have done that, but this one did, and that’s a good thing. I’m not going to say everything he’s done is wrong.”
Presaging the fights to come, Democrats offered a strong response, including a video of Republicans praising Obama’s decision and specifically citing the difficult circumstances, murky intelligence and the risk of sparking an international incident if things went wrong.
5) … And Let Us Never Speak Of This Again
Which bring us to this week. The initial GOP response so far has mostly been to declare discussion of bin Laden out of bounds, period, when it comes to the election. The Romney campaign issued a statement saying Obama wants to “divide us, in order to try to distract voters’ attention from the failures of his administration. McCain’s statement, circulated by the RNC, declared that bin Laden talk “politicizes” a sacred shared moment in our history and thus should be deemed unacceptable. Republican operatives also passed around an ABC article suggesting Obama is hypocritical to bring up bin Laden because he criticized Hillary Clinton for running a primary ad featuring the terrorist in 2008.
The Obama campaign thinks it has a unique opportunity to press the bin Laden issue because, unlike most Republican presidential candidates, Romney is actually on record suggesting he “wouldn’t move heaven and earth” to catch bin Laden in 2007 and — perhaps more damning — criticizing Obama in 2008 for saying he’d act unilaterally to strike bin Laden from Pakistan if necessary, the exact scenario that actually took place. In an awkward twist, McCain, slammed Romney for the 2007 quote while running against him, calling it an example of “naivete” at the time.
“I assume we’re angered by use of military successes for political campaigns because none of us were alive in 2008 or 2004,” Republican consultant and former Bush speechwriter Josh Trevino wyrly tweeted last week.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/the-five-stages-of-gop-reaction-to-osama-bin-ladens-death----and-whats-next.php
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In Baseball they have something called a Perfect Game. They are few and far between. The Stars, Moon and Sun all need to be in perfect alignment. No runs, no walks and no errors. 27 men up and 27 down.
The Pitcher gets all the credit for this. This may not be the Right thing but it is the Tradition.
The Players on the Pitcher’s team even though they know this will as the game progresses jump a little higher and stretch themselves a little further. They don’t want to be the one to let their Teammates and Pitcher down. When it is all over they are just happy to be Part of the History and Lore of the game. That is enough for them.
The Fans in attendance will as the game progresses get a little quieter. They (especially students of the game) realize what’s going on and they are loath to spoil the moment. They will save Tickets and other souvenirs and speak of it in glowing terms to their sons and daughters because they have witnessed history being made.
The Opposing team will do one of two things.
If they have any Class at the end of a game that they have done their best to break up they will walk across the field and shake hands and recognize their Place in History. Because you need two teams to make History. Tomorrow is another day and like it or not they are going to try again to beat you.
If they don’t have any Class they will bitch and p!ss and moan for the rest of their lives. The Other side cheated. The Umpire made bad calls and robbed them. On and on ad ifinitium. Instead of just admitting that they were a necessary part of history and on this particular day and this particular moment they just happened to be on the wrong side of it.
Well, IR, I guess we know what kind of baseball players the Republicans would be. They are unable to acknowledge anything positive by the President or his administration. They can't even acknowledge the good works that Michelle Obama has done as First Lady.
I was never a great fan of Jimmy Carter but I have to say that I found Mitt Romney's gratuitous slam at a former President to be cowardly. He attained the highest office in our land, served with honor and dignity, worked hard for his country and in his post-Presidency has devoted himself to public service. And for this Mitt takes a cheap shot at him. Truly classless.
Steeler - unfortunately we can expect no better from Romney. He truly fits the quote "money doesn't buy you class."
Great Post IR and excellent analogy. In the midst of all this faux outrage, I keep thinking, there really is no one better than conservatives at picking a fight and then playing the victim. They are masters at it. But they are up against master strategists in this campaign and therein will be the difference. One big difference, Romney and his campaign lie all the time, yet forget that everything is recorded, reenforcing the old maxim, a liar needs a good memory.
Great analogy, IR.
Steeler Fan - Not only does he take the cheap shot, but then he tries to weasel out of it today by changing it to "Any AMERICAN, any thinking American, would have ordered the same thing."
Then again, this IS Mitt Romney we're talking about.....
IR, terrific post and your baseball analogy sums up the GOP perfectly.
The GOP has progressed to Step 5, trouble is, they are the ones doing most of the talking about it. Once again, they GOP has stepped into a petty nonsense corner of their own making; the GOP did exactly what the Obama campaign knew they would probably do when the Ad appeared on the Obama website Friday evening. The GOP hit the airways to talk about what they preferred not to talk about, they cried "foul", they claimed "spiking the ball", they tried to paint it as political and in the process sounded every bit to be chewing sour grapes. The GOP just does not know when to shut up least of all when to not speak at all. The GOP is as predicable as the sun rising and setting every day.
Well said, Independent Redneck... Well said....
IR - Good post.
Romney and the Republicans need to learn you can't have it both ways. Romney and McCain both criticized Obama for his statement in a debate that if he had actionable intelligence he wold not hesitate to go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden. Romney and McCain both went on record and said Pakistan is our ally and a sovereign naion, we can't do that it's too reckless.
Obama did what he said he would do. Romney and McCain both now say they would have done what they said they wouldn't do. Who is more trustworthy and a better Commander in Chief? I think the choice is obvious.
IR - Good post. Sports are so much better than politics. When your team is down you have hope and faith that despite all the odds your team has the chance to come back. I'm hoping for a comeback!
The Fans in attendance will as the game progresses get a little quieter. They (especially students of the game) realize what’s going on...
Students of the "political game" should concentrate on the important things. No matter that the media wants to talk about dogs on cars or on plates, senator's spending credit, owing child support or nominees purporting to be Native American. We need a (fill in your favorite athletic leader) pitcher/quarter back/point guard that can confront problems and lead the team to victory.
We need someone who understands that government can be part of the solution. We need someone that will deal with our deficit by stopping the crushing tax cuts that deplete our resources. We need someone that will address our entitlements with sound cuts and or benefit adjustments. We need someone to lead and promote private and public employment.
Personal bias, I have no faith or hope that Romney will do anything other than promote more tax cuts, rail against government and strike out. We have serious problems and we are entering the final innings.
Quite sure that no one can pitch the perfect political game but...
Obama, still the best we got.
McCain says that a sacred national moment has been politicized by Obama - too late, that precedent was already set by Bush with 9/11.
And Romney's statement that "Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order" was smarmy in the extreme. Jimmy Carter did give that order - it was a courageous act - and the mission failed and that failure is part of Carter's legacy. But the courage to do the right thing is also part of his legacy.
Yellowdog, nice extension of the baseball analogy. As someone who lived and died with the 1964 Phillies, I woule be remiss if I let this thread end without a mention of the fond memories I have of watching Jim Bunning's perfect game against the Mets in 1964 with my late father on, of course, Father's Day. According to Wiki, Bunning had some other awesome baseball history:
Ah, the good old days.....before my Dad started cursing Jim Bunning (R-KY) as being one of the worst people ever elected to the U.S. Senate. He never quite got over the betrayal he felt. Dad would have been 85 this Saturday. Happy Birthday, Deddy! (and no, that's not a typo - it's a private joke between him, me, and Shirley Temple).
Anyway, I guess my point here - if I have one at all - is that a perfect game is a once or at best twice in a lifetime accomplishment. Thrilling when they happen - but over the long haul, I'd take a reliable closer any day, especially one who's cool, calm and collected with two outs in the bottom of the ninth when the guy before him just walked the bases loaded.
Obama, absolutely the best we got.
Bravo GBM .. but I would also have to say that Romney has re-written the maxim to "a liar needs good money".
Why Thank you my friends and neighbors. I just got in from lunch and what do I find on my Porch but a bunch of bags full of good thoughts to chew on this afternoon. Seriously I'm always more interested in what you'll have to say than my meanderings. After all I already know what I think.
JoAnne,
Thanks for sharing. Sports memories especially with family are the best. Will never forget celebrating the Mavs winning the NBA championship with Wife and son last year. Not really a bball fan but even I will watch in October. However I understand the passion that baseball fans have about their team. Even without that passion for the game the Tex Rangers broke my heart last year.
Talking about closers though, they have to have ice in their veins, no? Coming in the late innings with bases loaded and trying to overcome the mistakes of those that came before you.
Hmmm, sounds familiar?
GBM
You are even wiser in person than on FR
I wish you would run in 2016 - but you are too smart
Belfast Lad I understand that you didn't just fall off the turnip truck yesterday yourself. Maybe we could make it a dual ticket. GBM/B.L 2016. I'd vote for it in a heartbeat
yeah..." I'm not going to say that everything he's done is wrong ...but, everything he's done is wrong"
GMAFB...so I wonder which dem gets to spank the 'pugs in '16?
IR
Too kind: Great post
Not sure about your VP choice but GBM is a winner
BL Yes all day everyday and twice on Sunday. Finest Kind
geo-1957883
Probably better make that 8 yrs.
I wonder why all of these right wing people hate our President so much.He is trying to move the country from the disastrous condition that we are in. No other POTUS hopeful is offering any solution to the problem. There are a few things that I would like him to attempt,but with the party of no there is very little that anyone could accomplish.The Tea Party and their yes me too slavish supporters of the Republican party have no honesty nor conscience. They take our money,but refuse to do the job that we pay them to do .help us to go on the way to a national recovery, How anyone ,except the 1% cannot see that we are heading down a dangerous economic path while Rome Burns I can't see.Shame on you right wing radicals.
Belfast and IR......you two are too kind and one of a kind.
Independent Redneck Va.
Oh, my dear you will be so disappointed by the memo leaked from Penata's office. The memo Obama sent reluclantly giving approval of the mission to get Obama BUT stating that if it failed it would be on Admiral McCraven, not him (Obama). How does that square with all his BS bragging especially when it also has been revealed that he had really nothing to do with it. The whole operation was planned and overseen by Admiral McCraven. I love it when the truth comes out just in time to wipe the smug grin off some faces.
listoire
It isn't that we hate Obama, we just don't want to live under Socialism with him acting as a dictator which he gives every indication and takes all actions he can to make it obvious that is what he wants.
IndependentRedneck Va
Everyone knows that the hunt for Bin Ladin started before Obama was more than a Community Organizer in Illinois:
http://times247.com/articles/bin-laden-s-death-began-long-before-obama
Your one hit wonder is singing his own praises but he is using someone else's lyrics. Shame to be that hard up for something to brag about. Guess he should have done some of his job instead of pushing his personal agenda.
x
Does it mark the spot?
A refreshing comment.
Ruken,
you really slay me! You post the kind of stuff I would like to post but don't have the time/attention-span while I'm at work. Cute!
best comment fiesty ever posted on the vine! very refreshing!
Hey Republicans -- even though you act like he never existed, you worshiped George W. Bush and he played politics with 9/11 and Bin Laden since the towers collapsed. But -- you dream boy Bush didn't get Bin Laden and the guy you hate the most, Preaident Obama eliminated Bin laden. So get over it.
And -- your nominee Romney is all over the place on this one. He wasn't in favor of going into Pakistan to get Bin Laden before he was in favor of it and that all happened in less that 24 hours. No doubt he will flip-flop 5 or 6 more times before the week end.
Romney felt safe making those 2007 statements about the folly of going after BinLaden only because he was sure we would never get him, instead trying to make Obama appear brash and foolhardy. I bet he wishes he could turn back the clock so he could vow to get him too! Or at least he could have predicted Bush would still get him as the GOP likes to spin it (even though Bush couldn't care less about it by then)
The Conservative and Liberal Brain. There is obvious evidence, by reading posts on FR as well as comments made by those elected and hope-to-be elected, that the liberal and conservative brains operate differently. For one, conservatives prefer the status quo; big change upsets their digestive system. Whereas, liberals embrace change on a grand scale and find their baby-step brethren upsetting to the liberal digestive system.
Conservatives claim they are not engaging in an assault on women's reproductive rights while liberals and women of all political stripes find their denial nothing short of seeing little green men from Mars. Facts, it seems, do not compute in the conservative brains--at least not these days--whether it is their inability to grasp that women perceive their assault on their reproductive rights as a "War" or the denial that women are paid less than men for equal work.
Evidence presented are the two GOP operatives Castellanos and his fellow female (name escapes me) who appeared on Meet the Press with Rachel Maddow and Hilary Rosen. David Gregory was irrelevant as usual. Rachel was making a point about policy and the fact that women are paid only 77 cents on the dollar compared to men. Castellanos interrupted immediately and said it wasn't true. His female GOPer agreed but provided no evidence to the contrary. Castellanos then said well, it is true, BUT there are reasons for it such as men work a few more hours per week than women.
Never mind that in 264 out of 265 most common occupations in this country, regardless of whether those occupations are traditionally considered male or female jobs, women are paid less than their male counterparts doing the same work.
Castellanos, however, says there are reasons for this despite all the statistics that prove him wrong. As was pointed out Sunday, conservatives believe if they have a problem with female voters, trot out a female and never mind the fact said female voted NAY on the legislation in question that females find an assault on women's rights. You see, conservative brains do not grasp the problem because they see no problem. They justify the income disparity between men and women, their disbelief the GOP is engaged in an Assault on Women's rights because they do not see what they are doing nationwide as something women find objectionable. It is the "see no evil", therefore, there is "no evil" short-circuited brain function of the conservative brain.
While liberals are not perfect and like everyone else, are not always right, the liberal brain computes the problem because they see it in the first place; liberals suffer indigestion because conservatives "see no evil" because they never bother to look.
So true Jody. Hopefully, Our nation will never see a true Conservative as President. Our Nation can't afford it.
Jody, great post. In keeping with the topic War on Women, and as much as the republicans deny that there is such and effort, the following will show a partial list of republican/conservative efforts to make life miserable for women.
This is from a petition being circulated by Moveon.org and is available on their website to anyone interested in signing:
Top 10 Shocking Attacks from the GOP's War on Women
1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't yet. Shocker.
2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."
3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)
4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.
5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.
6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.
7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.
8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.
9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.
10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up).
Sources:
1. "'Forcible Rape' Language Remains In Bill To Restrict Abortion Funding," The Huffington Post, February 9, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=206084
"Extreme Abortion Coverage Ban Introduced," Center for American Progress, January 20, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=205961
2. "Georgia State Lawmaker Seeks To Redefine Rape Victims As 'Accusers,'" The Huffington Post, February 4, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=206007
3. "South Dakota bill would legalize killing abortion doctors," Salon, February 15, 2011
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2011/02/15/south_dakota_abortion_killing_bill
4. "House GOP Proposes Cuts to Scores of Sacred Cows," National Journal, February 9, 2011
http://nationaljournal.com/house-gop-proposes-cuts-to-scores-of-sacred-cows-20110209
5. "New GOP Bill Would Allow Hospitals To Let Women Die Instead Of Having An Abortion," Talking Points Memo, February 4, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=205974
6. "Republican Officials Cut Head Start Funding, Saying Women Should be Married and Home with Kids," Think Progress, February 16, 2011
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/16/gop-women-kids/
7. "Bye Bye, Big Bird. Hello, E. Coli," The New Republic, Feburary 12, 2011
http://www.tnr.com/blog/83387/house-republican-spending-cuts-pell-education-usda-pbs
8. "House GOP spending cuts will devastate women, families and economy," The Hill, February 16, 2011
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/144585-house-gop-spending-cuts-will-devastate-women-families-and-economy-
9. "House passes measure stripping Planned Parenthood funding," MSNBC, February 18,2011
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/18/6080756-house-passes-measure-stripping-planned-parenthood-funding
"GOP Spending Plan: X-ing Out Title X Family Planning Funds," Wall Street Journal, February 9, 2011
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/02/09/gop-spending-plan-x-ing-out-title-x-family-planning-funds/
10. Ibid.
"Birth Control for Horses, Not for Women," Blog for Choice, February 17, 2011
http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2011/02/birth-control-f.html
To Gingerbread Mama:
All your sources are way out left and I'm sure that the contrary can be found in way out right sources.
The answer is in the middle some place. But you are to blind to see that.
Concern Citizen---why don't you post some sources refuting GBM's post? If you don't think the GOP is waging a war on women, why don't you tell us of some things the GOP has done to support women's rights?
Concerned.....no I'm not blind. all sources are legitimate and left........I wouldn't expect to find a right wing blog to support women because they dont. There is a war on women and those of us who are not blind or deaf or stupid know this for what is, pure misogyny and the need to control...some would call it bullying.
Sf....we'll be waiting a while for those sources. Or maybe they'll dig up some of Ann Romney's 'glowing support' for women!
To Steeler Fan-380417.
The source is me: I'm a woman. I was not talking to that subject, and next time I will, I don't have the time on my hand that you people seem to have. But I have plenty of experience and listen to both sides.
Hmmmmm... thats funny all the war waging in my life has been BY women! All I have willingly lost by the way. They each got a house in the deals and remain friends to this day. I personally know no women who believe this war on women exists. I know you all insist it does but I only see this on here and on TV.
Don't get out much eh?
Read the current polling!
Any sane person would of stopped after the 4th or 5th wife - they couldn't all be wrong...
You appear to be a first class masochist!
Gingerbread Mamma, great post. Thanks for adding the supporting evidence that the War on Women is real even if the republicans cover their eyes and see no evil.
Concerned Citizen, well, for someone who doesn't have the kind of time on your hands that we do, you sure spend a lot of time here. Both Concerned and JollyOld proved my point exactly--they see no problem, therefore, no problem exists. Of course, seeing the problem requires removing their hands from their eyes.
Jody---that is something I've noticed about Republicans---unless it has happened to them personally they never see a problem. They are against stem cell research until someone they love gets a disease that could benefit from it. They are against gay marriage and other rights until it turns out someone in their family is gay. You get my point.
You would think they might consider the fact that a lot of smart, concerned women believe their rights are under seige and think they should do something about it. Trotting out women in support of issues who voted against the issue doesn't get the job done.
Jollyoldsoul1-
My wife is not interested in and does not follow politics. She is intelligent and has interests in many other areas, politics is just not her "cup of tea".
So imagine my surprise when she asked me how any woman could possibly vote for Mitt Romney or any Republicans when it is obvious they don't have any respect for women.
I think you will be suprised how many women will vote for Obama in this election. If they are anything like my wife they will have long memories and short tempers for those who treat them that way.
On my forth and last now, and I happen to believe marriage is not the issue, its the people who enter into it. Nothing is ever one persons "fault" when it comes to relationships. I had amicable splits with the previous 3 women, the mother of my children and I talk regularly since we both support our blind son. So Divorce did not leave us hateful just friends. The funny thing is that when first married each of them and my self were liberal leaning Independents. Now we are all conservative leaning independents. I dont believe in Polling, for one reason. Opinions!
Why do you find it necesarry to always share so much information?
It's actually rather creepy... TMI...dude...TMI!
And right now all polls are showing that in the opinions of women - there is a very real war being waged against them!
Nice try - you may now resume your fascination with all things anal!
JollyOld, you really take the cake, wedding pun intended. Most people find nothing worth bragging about in the inability to maintain a quality marriage and that having obvious poor judgement in selecting mates but here you are telling us how friendly you are with the previous three and hoping number four works. There's jusst something weird about that kind of bragging which makes me wonder if #4 will turn out any better than the other three; however, I wish you well that #4 works.
Jody, watching the George Costanza wannabe on MTP was a priceless piece of journalism that no doubt, kerfukled (sp?) the right-wing freaks. In fact, the character of Senior Costanza is emblematic of the right and the poster boy for the right wingers that post on this site (WAC, UAW, BillFaux, NOJO, JAS1, Spanky, M1969, and to many others to enumerate).
I bet they would call it a war on men if anyone tried to pass a bill that said in order to get viagra they need to have an anal sonogram first.
While I would tend to agree, this is the group that donned the terms "bro-mance", "man-crush", and "butt-pirates". Me thinks they would love a good anal-gram ordered by the government against their 'free' will. This is after all, the same group that loves lower wages for higher productivity, unaffordable health care vs. universal coverage, tax breaks for the wealthy and tax increases for the lower-middle class. They are simply a confused lot, willing to spend a lifetime in poverty while complaining about government subsidies.
Just out of interest, which other leading countries in the world have not yet had a female president, prime minister or head of state at some time in their history. I ask, not as a tease, but as a bone fide question. I know Britain, Ireland, Israel, Germany, India, Pakistan, Brazil ... all have seen the merit and wisdom in electing a woman to their highest office. Perhaps the obvious answer would be Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran ... I would be interested to find out.
It will happen in our great country and when it does, I believe we will be the better and more rounded a society for it.
Let me declare a bias: When I am not sure which judge to vote for, I always choose a woman if available.
JOdy, Iowa
We see a lot of evil and hate the fact that much of it comes from our Whitehouse and Obama's czars and ex czar cronies. We want our country back. This BS about war on Women is a laugh, especially with Obama's war on seniors he is trying to hide until after the election when he plans to finish destroying Medicare to increase Medicaid. Over 50% of seniors are women so it seems it is Obama who is warring on women. There has been free contraceptives available to every woman for decades, we just don't want our tax dollars to pay for abortions. We earned it, we should have some say in how it is spent. And Obama trying to force Religious organizations to provide insurance that would cover abortion is an attack on Freedom of Religion in addition to all the other things he has done against Christianity and America, like being a parishinor of Reverand Wright for 20 years and cancelling the National Day of Prayer and holding a Muslim Day of Prayer on the White House Lawn and welcoming the Muslim Brotherhood to the Whitehouse and writing one of his never ending "executive orders" to give millions to the Palistinian Hamas. And by the way when Rev. Wright's hatred for America was revealed Obama claimed to never in 20 years having heard him make such remarks. Now that is what I call hearing no evil.
I saw this quote and couldn't help but think of my time here at First Read:
Amen. Amen. Amen.
P.S. So basically, when it comes to the capture of Osama bin Laden, Mitt Romney was against it before he was for it? And that goes double for the auto bailout? And poor people?
Epic fail.
Nashville Fan, that quote sums up the GOP precisely.
Romney's attempt to say he would have made the same decision President Obama made regarding OBL, and now claims credit for the auto bailout is just the latest in a long list of: for it before he was against it, before it was for it again before he was against it again. Jon Huntsman nailed Mitt Romney for what he really is "a well-oiled weather-vane".
So true Jody . . . the GOP just can't handle the fact that President Obama called his shot, took the heat for calling the shot, and now he gets the well deserved credit for hitting the bullseye.
Period.
How's that for dithering Dick Cheney and company?
Game. Set. Match.
Is that how you see it? Obama will prove he is his own worse enemy.
That ad was beautifully done, and Clinton as always brings a little flair to it. There was know need for Obama's attack on Romney, he should have let the spot speak for itself. Instead he cheapen the moment with a blatantly partisan attack, and in doing so, robbed the Seals their day of celebration.
We know President Obama is thin skinned, and Romney will do everything he can to get under it.
lol
President Obama is thin skinned? . . .The President has put up with more frackle nackle bull$#@% than any president in history, mmmmkay?
And he does not need terrorism etiquette lessons from the same folks who have been blowing foreign policy smoke up our arses for the past decade.
Thanks but no thanks for those tips on being "blatantly partisan" from the peanut gallery. The GOP decided that they were going to go all in on trying to destroy the President, and as fate would have it, what they actually destroyed was their own credibility.
There is just no two ways about that, there is no "middle", there is no "two sides", there is just the truth, and the truth is, the President was right and the GOP was wrong.
And their ain't nothing wrong with pointing that simple truth out.
The only thing 'cheapen' about the moment is Romney and the GOP/TP attempting to downplay the event. By the way, robbing Seals seems rather cheap.
theotas - President Obama thin skinned? I believe you meant Romney - thick headed!
"There are, by the way, plenty of examples from the 2007-2008 campaign of Mitt Romney criticizing President Obama for his debate answer when he said if he had actionable intelligence he would strike bin Laden even if it meant crossing into Pakistan."
Where did you get the "examples"? First Read 'analysis' contains many deep dives into material obviously provided by the Obama reelection team....thanks , David Axelrod.
As to the Romney side, First Read wont help you...they usually just quote you directly. That is all you get from MSNBC, the Obama reelection network.
The bottom line, bin Laden dead, and GM alive.
Remember, save America and vote out all Conservatives. They are bad for the nation.
Nice try Bobber but you ignore that FOX is the "elect Mitt Romney" station so tough stuff. I will add that the MSNBC lineup has liberals as well as conservative hosts unlike FOX which wouldn't hire a liberal for any reason even though they claim to be "fair and balanced".
Bob -
The McCain/Obama debate from the last presidential election was televised, did you miss it? McCain clearly criticized Obama for saying he would go after Bin Laden in Pakistan if there was actionable intellience.
Priceless, coming from the shallow master of dumpster diving. Hey, one cheap shot deserves another. Let me know if there is ever a day when this pro-vagina diver actually posts something other than trollish material.
How can they Spar? Mittens did nothing and President Obama had Bin Laden killed. Thats simple!!!
You would think so. However, the radical right just don't get it.
So true Job1'
Willard & the other RWNJ's are short-term memory challenged hypocrits who can not stand having a successful black President leading this country.
They do everything possible to make him, and thus this nation, appear to be a failure.
FLASH!!
The United States of America (and her Head of State) ARE NOT FAILURES, SO PLEASE STOP THAT DISTORTED RHETORIC!
Amen!
POP, short and straight to the point!
Bob in Va
Unlike the "morning memos" Romney gets from FOX News to let him know what they will be saying during the day...
So he can get on the "same page"!
I often wonder besides money, what Willard really stands for?
JOB1 - Willard is still trying to decide what he stands for.....it's called a "two- step" - I'm for it but against but against for it but for against it.
But truly what Romney and the GNOP stand for is to take from the poor and give to the rich....$$$$$
All of us here gave you each two thumbs on that one Nashville. That's the biggest reason I've stopped trying to engage any of them in actual informational exchange and nopw I just ry to point out their obvious misstatements or intentional exaggerations. In other words, I just to rankle them which really isn't that hard.
P.S.
Is it o.k. if I imagine you as a Trinity look-alike?
*two thumbs up* right back atcha Frank!
PS: Trust me, Nash is hotter then Trinity! ;o)
Hi Frank,
You nailed it. The right wing people are pretty thick and the facts can't get into their bubble.
Frank H, well said!!!!
The intelligence community (set up by Bush) tracked down OBL. The military planned and trained for the mission (where there had been dozens of similar previous missions). The WH staff dragged Oblahblah off the golf course before he took another mulligan. Panetta laid out the whole thing for the brain child dufus and Oblahblah said, "duh, sounds good to me". Now he's out there dancing in the end zone.. Hell, Richard Simmons could have made this call. A real hero doesn't need to brag about his actions
Another from the bubble of la la conservative view. No thought process applied in this case.
If Obama doesn't brag about the accomplishment of reenergizing the search for Bin Laden and accomplishing said mission (of finding and capturing/killing him) who will in this ELECTION YEAR!!!!!!!?
ceo-722851
The intelligence community (set up by Bush) tracked down OBL. The military planned and trained for the mission (where there had been dozens of similar previous missions). The WH staff dragged Oblahblah off the golf course before he took another mulligan. Panetta laid out the whole thing for the brain child dufus and Oblahblah said, "duh, sounds good to me".
You're not talking about the time Bush let Bin laden get away in Tora Bora ; are you?
Bush said I don't care where bin Laden is I'm truly not concerned about him(bin Laden). Consequently, Bush let bin Laden get away
Remember, this is just SIX MONTHS after 9/11. In response to a reporters question, President Bush tells the world that he is "truly not that concerned" with catching the man who murdered 3,000 Americans just six months and two days earlier because "we've marginalized him."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
The difference between my story and your's is my true. Your's is fiction.
I proved my point with a tape. You can't prove you bullsh!t. It's nutso like most RWNJs
Well good for you Beverly...you used that sharp mind and wit of yours and found a video, what a freakin genius....a video open to so many interpretations that it proves absolutely nothing. You're only point lies at the top of that Obama butt licking head of yours.
In addition...
Fact: the intelligence community tracked down OBL
Fact: the military trained for and executed the operation
Fact: Obama had to be dragged off the golf course
Fact: Panetta was the real man in charge of the operation
Fact: A real man/hero has no need to brag about an accomplishment
Now, what were you saying about the truth?
ceo- first you're a disgusting excuse for a person.
Second - yes the intelligence community tracked down OBL - it's what they do. Ditto for the militray. You LIE about Obama but what's new when it comes to Republicans? You LIE about Panetta - he answers to Obama and Obama made all the decisions.
Three - if it had been a Republican President you would have no problem with them talking about their accomplishments in having bin Laden taken out as part of their campaign which makes you two-faced but clearly a Republican.
Truth - you have no intelligence; no integrity and your whining shows what a pathetic person you are! But, you're a Republican - we expect nothing better!
I'm trying to figure out if his avatar is a photo of his mug shot or a head shot from his failed audition for a role in the remake of the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"?
I'm guessing the mug shot!
Gee.... I'm being criticized by another mindless Obama butt licker, I'm devastated. As far as the balance of your comments, spare me the analysis. it leaves one to believe that you have the common sense of a dolt, with blinders.
Hey Feisty.....I hope you're not looking for a career in comedic writing..that acerbic wit of yours just won't cut it. Stick with your day job, what ever that might be...other than spewing left wing drivel on posts like this. Finally...only a simple, naive mind would believe that a picture shown on sites like MSNBC, would be a true representation of the person posting. But hey...go for it, I'm guessing it turns you on...which in itself is a frightening thought.
All you libs want to make out Busa had nothing to do with it, ok. Your messiah cheif got it done. But while your all telling everyone how smart you are and that only left-wingers views are important remember one thing. We would not be having this debate if the "I never had sex with that woman" would have taken one of the three opportunities to get Bin Laden during his tenure. Then as a typical lib will go on a commericial and question someone else's intestinal fortitude when he already passed on the chance. Typical.
To: Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL, Ebony & Ivory; who wrote,"You want to talk about contempt for a sitting President based on the color of his skin – well… here IT IS!"
Girlfriend, you either have to much time on your hand or you get compensated by someone.
Your are correct that some people did vote because of historical importance, however I myself voted because of what he said he would do and the change that he talked about. I do see the opposite in one of the things he promised on bringing all sides together (One America). You are proof that it is going the other way by your own words, injecting race.
Lets have one America, I did voted for him because of what he said, but I not vote for him this time because of what he has not done. In case you want to call me racist, look at my history first. Last he does deserve credit for getting OBL.
We voted for him because we was the best choice, and we will vote for him again because he is a Great President and still the Best Choice to lead the United States into GREATNESS.
Just beautiful...more butt licking fantasy from the Obama sycophant crowd..
Job1 that is a good reason to vote for someone. Don't blame the others for not thinking like you, we are all individuals that think different.
Is your name feisty too, or are you just Job1 which is about what is going to be left out there if our President does not change lanes.
Let's see took office 01-20-09 up until then losing 750,000 a month.
05-01-12 have 25 months in a row job growth.
I will stick with the President.
Obama - Biden 2012
Concern,
Obama didn't bring both parties together, about that you are absolutely correct, but not for lack of trying. Republicans avoided him like the plague and they just plain old didn't want to come to the middle. Instead they went WAY out to the right. Obama just refuses to meet them way out there because (of his own values but also) the majority of Americans are not that far to the right. It would be misrepresentation of the American people to believe that what the right wants now is what is good for America or actually what Americans want. Their legislation is highly unpopular when it's made public it's just that most people don't know about the legislation being passed in their own states.
Mgates---now that we have learned that on the very night of President Obama's inauguration, in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, Republicans met to plan how to defeat President Obama---it makes me realize that there was no way the President was ever going to have any meaningful compromise with them. This wasn't politics as usual--people's lives, homes, savings were at stake and the GOP did every thing they could to obstruct the recovery.
Metinks you are a liar Concern Citizen-856329
President Obama has brought this country more forward than the Republicans have. Bush squandered a surplus . The crazy, racist Tea Party are a simple majority in the House of Representatives. I use the word "simple" there literally.
Where are the jobs they promised?
See for yourself what President acomplished.
The video outlines the challenges America faced as President Obama took office at the height of the worst recession in almost a century and details the progress that has been made reclaiming the security of the middle class and building an economy that's meant to last, where hard work pays and responsibility is rewarded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WbQe-wVK9E
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I suggest you watch it over and over until you get it.
Concerned Citizen, so you blame President Obama for failing to unite the parties and the country. In order to bring both parties together, it requires both parties to participate. It's a bit difficult to do when you have Tea Party haters, birthers, secret-Muslim advocates preaching 24/7 about how Obama isn't really one of them, he's "other". Apparently, you missed the reports about the 4-hour meeting GOP leaders held Jan 20, 2009, after President Obama was sworn into office in which the GOP decided to present a united, unrelenting opposition to any and all things President Obama and democrats proposed. It seems you are blaming the wrong party and definitely the wrong man.
BTW, while I was not addressed as "girlfriend", in order to be a "friend", you must know the person either through meeting in person or having a long-time connection of some form; otherwise using the term "girlfriend" sounds condescending to both girls and friends. Just because one is of the same gender does not automatically make one a friend.
SF,
I couldn't agree more. We already knew that Republicans were obstructing everything except their own agenda but now we know that it was planned and organized obstruction. They didn't like that Obama campaigned on the promise of change because it would have challenged the little dog and pony show they've got going in their states and in their positions within the federal government (along with the amount of money and power they can acrue from "doing their jobs").
I was/am really worried about Obama in all of this. I really don't like seeing anyone treated this way (all the insults and lies being spread about our POTUS) but especially someone I admire this much. It's not fair that the first black President would be met with this atmosphere of hate but I think everyone (who has no racial bias) knew it was going to be like this for the first one and hopefully the hate will subside (at least a little) for the future black leaders in America. I wish it didn't have to be like this... only a perfect world.
This current controversy over the ad supporting President Obama is just part of the damned if you do and damned if you don't that the republicans have been pushing since day 1.
You don't have to be very smart to understand that the tax cuts for the richest is about the rich white men retaining the power. They seem more than willing for America to become a third world country so Romney and his rich friends can have more offshore accounts to protect from American taxes.
How about in the republican effort to suppress the vote, your NRA picture id is fine where your college picture id is not.
Think about it the gas hedge fund manager drives gas prices up and makes billions robbing the people and then the republicans decide that is the gas hedge fund manager is a job creator and then the hedge fund manager robs the people again with not paying his fair share of taxes.
To top it off now per the Ryan budget passed by the republicans we are to cut food and education for children, medicare for our old, cut the aide for our wounded soldiers all to give these same hedge fund managers even more tax cuts.
I mean just because they jack up the price of gas, why should they pay fair taxes? This is just an example of one of the kinds of people that republicans feel are more important than America.
Vote for America........Vote for a Democrat
Per US news (MSNBC) there is a report that says the occupy movement is not willing to be part of a strictly re-elect Obama campaign. They don't want to be co-opted into a "Democratic Tea Party". By the same token, the Democrats would be wise not to try to co-opt them either. They are becoming radioactive when it comes to perception.
May Day a day usually dedicated to peaceful protests proves to be another blemish against the Occupy crowd. Sensible folks would ask them to go away, their actions no longer match their original intentions. With demonstrations like this I can seriously say I fear what will happen the first Wed. of November. There will be violence, the perpetrators will either be from the right or the left depending on the previous night's outcome. Like the blind the usual suspects will either applaud or condemn them depending on the ideology of the rioters.
Per the Atlantic Wire
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A day that is expected to be filled with anti-establishment protests all around the globe began early last night with a roving band of "anarchists" smashing car windows and store fronts in San Francisco's Mission District. The mini-riot (which was technically on April 30, but still) may have started as a "ruckus street party" organized by Occupy Oakland protesters who invaded their sister city last night, but whoever was responsible appeared to show little regard for the property of either the 1% or the other 99.
Various witness accounts say a group of between 50 and 100 people moved down Valencia St. smashing windows, throwing paint balls, and even attacking an unsuspecting police station. The cops were apparently not prepared to make mass arrests and were slow to respond to the chaos, though it quickly broke up. The blog, Mission Local, has a good round up of the scene from last night.
Many in the Occupy movement are blaming outsiders and "Black Bloc" anarchists who have a habit of hijacking peaceful protests for the own purposes. Unfortunately, most regular citizens won't know or care to make the distinction — particularly if they wake to find their automobiles destroyed. Every thing that happens during today's highly anticipated general strike, the good and the bad, will likely be conflated with larger Occupy Wall Street movement and destroying local business and poverty will win the cause few new friends.
Don't you just love rank, political hypocrisy? One side employs a strategy in a campaign. The other side gets all self-righteous, then counters with the same strategy, allowing the first side to respond indignantly to their own tactics being used against them. And the cycle continues like a snowball rolling down a mountain, until it reaches critical mass and nobody knows where anybody running for office stands on anything anymore, leaving them to vote purely out of habit and group identification.
This is why so many people hate politics.
"Massachusetts politics has always been more about gut than the head. You’ve got to somehow get past this gut test with white working class Massachusetts Democrats"
No, my native state has always been more about the corrupt Democratic machine!Dominated for decades by one-party crooked government. Last three Dem Speakers of the House indicted .
Finally, the voters are waking up to the crooked Democrat machine, of which Warren is but a tool.
Scott Brown is a breath of fresh air.
The SEALS disagree with Obama's version! Liar-in-Chief
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/05/01/seals_slam_obama_for_using_them_in_campaign_278848.html
the article is in a conservative rightwing british rag paper...... it may be a surprise to you but commanders get the credit for both success and failure, but in the twisted minds of republican/right wing everything bad is Obam's fault and every good is someone elses doing.
ZB, in Obama Land nothing is ever his fault.
Apparently its okay for romney to claim iran will get the bomb if Obama is elected but not if he gets elected. Facts matter,(unless you are Romney and the Republicans): Romney's past comments indicate he would have not gone into pakistant; Bush did not go into pakistan when he had the chance; during vn romney ran of to france to sell religion, now he is another republican chickenhawk draft dodging table pounder.
And if you want something really shameful, Romney's attack on Carter, who actually ordered a resuce effort in Iran and actually served 20 years in the Navy, is as low as it gets.
“It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.” In explaining those remarks, Romney said, “We'll move everything to get him.
Can you say FLIP FLOP?
President Obama always tries to deflect his shortcomings. It's the economy stupid!
Of course it is the economy. Willard wants to go back to the Bush policies. Enough said, end of argument, case closed.
In 2008 Romney sided with Bush & said OBL wasn't worth the expense & effort
During his campaign Romney told you that he would NOT make the decision, he would leave it up to the military
I hope someone points out to the lugheads in the House that their proposal on abortion funding is the exact opposite of freedom, and is just the mirror's reflection of the "big government" intervention they decry. They don't want mandates on what health insurance must cover, but they are more than willing to impose mandates on what insurance can't cover. They want to preserve the private/pool market for health insurance, but then want to destroy the basic tenet - namely that it's a cooperative risk pool. It covers heart disease even though my family has no history of it. It covers diabetes, even though I wasn't the one who fed your kids copious amounts of sugar. It covers liver disease, even though I don't drink. One of the tricks to good governance is to avoid the tyranny of the majority and the pandering to vocal minorities whose priorities are detrimental to a well organized SECULAR government.
Is there anything that Romney hasn't changed his tune on? OBL's death happened on Obama's watch. He owns it. Just like the Economy Republicans like to point out has been slower than expected to recover. That is on Obamas watch so he gets credit for that, too. The problem for Romney, like the auto bailout, is inconsistant with past statements. His staff are gonna be burned out before the convention trying to explain all his remarks away. You can almost see the frustration starting to bubble to the surface on some of the Republican strategists. Yep. This is gonna be a tough slog for Romney. And seems like his team is a little behind the curve on how to do this.
Romney is right. Even Carter would have taken Osama out. Obama happened to be in the right place at the right time, and using itel produced by harsh interrogation which he claims is "torture" is now trying to capitalize on the hard work of others.
True heroes don't claim the credit. Political opportunists do. Obama once again proves he's a weasel.
Its his only shining moment in his failed Presidency. Let him have it.
The whole subject is a joke. What a ridiculous waste of time to speculate on who would have done what if they were in a position. They are both a couple of lying turds anyhow.
Really? In order to cover up Bush's failings to get OBL, they kept referring to Clinton's failing to promptly order the cruise missile strike when they saw the tallest man in Afghanistan out for a stroll. Bush and Cheney politicized for all time the use of fear to control the electorate. Let's see if Rove and Romney pledge to never use this tactic going forward in any election, from school board on up. The Democrats haven't forgiven the GOP for the Red Scare/Who lost China attacks from the 50's. It's going to take a really big, sincere, pinkie swear from the GOP at this point.
I just happened to see some old footage of GWB in his fighter pilot costume walking around on that aircraft carrier with the "mission accomplished" banner proudly flying. If thats not dancing in the endzone I don't know what is. But seems to me, that endzone dance was premature. Penalty called. Quarterback replaced......then the game won. Out of Iraq, OBL dead. I don't see any mission accomplished banners.........Romney better find a way to get back to the economy or he's toast. Bet he's holding his breath for crappy jobs number Friday.
I know the left wing thinks it takes a village to raise a child.
After reading the left wing dribble and back slapping going on here I just wonder why Fiesty, Job1,Jody and therman all want the Village idiots job? They battle for the stupidest comment awards constantly.
I guess when your leader is a known failure you try and dumb yourself down to stay in his grace.
Soorry "RU Kidding"-it's all over.This Texas Independent will vote for POTUS Obama for the first time. Romney and company are just TOO close to Wall ST.I could live with Romney (hopefully he would reject the T-Baggers once elected)but he is still a poster child for the top 5%..
Fiesty, Job1, Jody, and Therman do not have a chance with you around, LOL
rukidding?
Why did you post this comment insulting fiesty and job1 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY down here? Grow a pair!
This is typical behavior of a classic coward - sit in the cheap seat shadows & lob spitballs!
RUDE! To say the least, pathetic to say a little more. Hope you're having a good one Feisty et al!
Cheap seats is all I can afford. Not one of you 1%. I have along way to go to be RUDE like you. I see only snide imbecilic comments though and no answers. Typical flush-able stuff from the village idiots.
Word rukidding47!!! And the truly scary part, is that these people think they are intellegent, well rounded Americans! I really enjoy visiting this site occasionally, just due to the fact that some of these people would sacrifice their first born for BHO! And for the record, if BHO would have hit a half court shot, I'm sure that the Nobel Prize Committee would have created a brand new catagory of "Best Baller Ever", and give it to him!!! What really floors me is that if you so much as look at the potus the wrong way, you're a racist, half-brained, gun toting, bible thumping, knuckle dragging, right-wing nutjob! Silly liberals, paychecks are for workers!!!!
NPCDAN
A well said comment is appreciated on here.
NPCDan: "Silly liberals, paychecks are for workers!!!!"
So get back to work
Oh rukidding - I know you're worried someone will take your "stupidest comments award" but don't worry - you're still far ahead of the crowd when it comes to stupidity. You can rest easy!
A SMALL SAMPLING OF THE MANY LIES OF Willard Mitt Romney
"100,000 new jobs." Romney has repeatedly claimed that during his tenure at Bain Capital, "net-net, we created over 100,000 jobs." His campaign defends the figure by tallying the current employment totals of some companies Bain aided. That's a stretch in and of itself, but it's also not a net figure. It lacks the balancing context of how many jobs were destroyed by Bain. As the Los Angeles Times reported in December, while Bain helped some companies grow, "Romney and his team also maximized returns by firing workers, seeking government subsidies, and flipping companies quickly for large profits. Sometimes Bain investors gained even when companies slid into bankruptcy."
Indeed, the Wall Street Journal looked closely at Bain's record under Romney and found that 22 percent "either filed for bankruptcy or closed their doors by the end of the eighth year after Bain first invested, sometimes with substantial job losses." Which is not really terribly surprising: Bain's raison d'etre is not job creation but wealth creation for its investors. As Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler noted in an article Monday calling Romney's "100,000 jobs" figure "untenable," Romney and Bain "never could have raised money from investors if the prospectus seeking $1-million investments from the super wealthy had said it would focus on creating jobs."
As a corollary, when Romney's record has been criticized, he has dismissed criticisms as an attempt to "put free enterprise on trial." It's not an attack on free enterprise. It's an attack on Romney's strained attempt to spin his successful record of wealth-creation into one of job-creation. It's also a recognition that while a net good, the free market has its destructive side—and it's a fair question to ask, whether voters consider experience in that sort of vulture capitalism as a good qualification for the presidency. Do they want government to be run more like that kind of business?
[See a collection of political cartoons on Mitt Romney.]
Obama's jobs record. By Romney's own logic (touting jobs created but ignoring jobs lost), his attacks on President Obama's economic record are nonsensical. He told Time that Obama "has not created any new jobs," and he told Fox News last week that Obama has "lost" 2 million jobs as president. This is indeed a net figure, but also a misleading one. When Obama took office, the economy was shedding jobs at a rate of nearly 1 million jobs per month, losing roughly 3 million during the first four months of 2009. But presidential policies don't take effect as soon as the incoming chief takes his oath. Once Obama's policies started to take effect, the trend turned. The country had added 3.2 million private sector jobs over the course of 22 straight months of private sector growth. By Romney's definition, the president has created more than 3 million jobs—not enough, but also not none.
[Read the U.S. News debate: Will Mitt Romney Be the GOP Presidential Nominee?]
In fact the biggest drag on job growth is the 600,000 public sector jobs that have disappeared under the auspices of budget austerity. As my colleague Danielle Kurtzleben reported in September, "government jobs are being shed by the tens of thousands almost every month, hindering an already weak recovery."
"Entitlement society." Romney has argued that Obama "is replacing our merit-based, opportunity society with an entitlement society," where "everyone is handed the same rewards, regardless of education, effort, and willingness to take risk." As New York's Jonathan Chait has observed, "This accusation is approximately as accurate as claiming that the Republican Party wants to pass laws forbidding poor people from making more money." The idea that President Obama (or any Democrat) advocates for equality of outcomes simply lacks a basis in fact.
[See a collection of political cartoons on the budget and deficit.]
It's an important fabrication, because it marks a turning point in Romney's attacks on Obama. Previously the president was characterized as ineffectual, but not a socialist. Forced to battle to win the GOP primaries, Romney has adopted the Tea Party's extremist rhetoric. It won't play with swing voters, even delivered in his polished drone.
Defense cuts. In an October speech on national security, Romney promised to "reverse President Obama's massive defense cuts." One problem: Pentagon spending has gone up under Obama, from $594 billion in 2008 to $666 billion. The 2011 request was for $739 billion. As Rick Perry would say, "Oops."
[Read the U.S. News debate: Are Cuts to the Defense Budget Necessary?]
No apologies. Romney has said that Obama "went around the world and apologized for America." This is part of the conservative, dog-whistle meme that Obama is un-American (and possibly even a foreigner!). While the notion of an international apology tour is a staple of the conservative case against Obama, it is also fictitious. The Washington Post's fact-checker concluded that "the claim that Obama repeatedly has apologized for the United States is not borne out by the facts, especially if his full quotes are viewed in context." Don't hold your breath waiting for an apology from Romney on this one.
Medicare cuts. Romney said that Obama is "the only president to ever cut $500 billion from Medicare." So as we said then, and repeated several times since, the health care law reduces the amount of future spending growth in Medicare. But it doesn't cut Medicare.
The rest of Romney’s statement implies that Obama is doing something no other president has done -- making cuts (which he isn’t).
Military Strength. Romney said The U.S. military is at risk of losing its "military superiority" because "our Navy is smaller than it's been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947." However, a wide range of experts told us it’s wrong to assume that a decline in the number of ships or aircraft automatically means a weaker military. Quite the contrary: The United States is the world’s unquestioned military leader today, not just because of the number of ships and aircraft in its arsenal but also because each is stocked with top-of-the-line technology and highly trained personnel.
Thanks to the development of everything from nuclear weapons to drones, comparing today’s military to that of 60 to 100 years ago presents an egregious comparison of apples and oranges. Today’s military and political leaders face real challenges in determining the right mix of assets to deal with current and future threats, but Romney’s glib suggestion that today’s military posture is in any way similar to that of its predecessors in 1917 or 1947 is preposterous.
Free Economy. Romney said "We're only inches away from no longer being a free economy." there is little indication that the government’s role has risen dramatically enough over the past few years to threaten the kind of free market that the U.S. has operated under in recent decades. And international comparisons show that the U.S. ranks low in both total tax burden and high in economic freedom -- at least as measured by a prominent conservative think tank.
Health care act. Romney said “Eliminating "Obamacare" ... "saves $95 billion a year."
Romney said repealing the health care law would save $95 billion a year. But that only accounts for outlays in one year, 2016. Because of the revenue sources that the law established, repealing it actually adds significantly to the deficit over the long haul, according to the CBO. Romney’s is statement False.
Mitt Romney ad says labor board tried to block Boeing from building factory in South Carolina.
The NLRB’s complaint started a legal process that could ultimately have resulted in a factory closure, but the NLRB as a whole didn’t tell Boeing anything. What’s more, the legal basis for the action centered on whether Boeing was punishing the union for staging strikes, not that Boeing had opened a factory in a right-to-work state. the statement is False.
Says Barack Obama said, "If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose."
Obama was quoting John McCain. Romney took the words way out of context. Obama said in the speech. "Sen. McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, ‘If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose.’"
Says Barack Obama "never worked in the private sector" before he was elected president.
Some of the relevant jobs in Obama’s work history include:
— A stint in 1983-84 as a research assistant at Business International Corp. in New York City, where he helped write a newsletter.
— Working from 1985 to 1988 as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project in Chicago;
— Working from 1993 to 2004 as an associate, and then a partner, at the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, where his work included employment-discrimination and voting-rights cases.
Obama’s State of the Union Speech. Romney said "He gave a speech the other day at his State of the Union address. He didn't even mention the deficit or the debt” At least six different times in his 2012 State of the Union address, Obama mentioned the debt or deficit by name.
"I don't have lobbyists running my campaign."
And there's no question that some key people in the Romney campaign are well-connected lobbyists:
• Kaufman, a senior adviser to Romney, is chairman of Dutko Worldwide, which has lobbied for American Pacific Corp., American Trans Air, Amgen, AT&T; – and that's just some of the As.
• Ben Ginsberg, the campaign's national counsel, is a partner in the firm Patton Boggs, a large lobbying firm that has represented Kaiser Aluminum, Lucent Technologies, the Venetian Casino Resort and many others. His bio on the firm's Web site boasts that "Mr. Ginsberg represents a variety of clients on Capitol Hill on a wide range of issues including appropriations, trade, broadcasting and health care."
• Cardenas is chairman of the Romney Hispanic Steering Committee, a finance co-chairman for the campaign and a frequent spokesman for Romney. He is a partner in Tew Cardenas, a lobbying firm with offices in Washington, Miami and Tallahassee. Records show he has lobbied for Progress Energy, Bell South, the Florida Association of Realtors and the Recreational Fishing Alliance, among others. His Web site boasts that "He has been named as one of Washington, D.C.'s top lobbyists by The Hill newspaper."
• Comstock, an adviser and frequent spokeswoman for the Romney campaign, is a founding partner of Comstock Corallo, which has lobbied for the Hearst Corp. and the National Association of Broadcasters.
"Mitt." It's a small one, but might be my favorite. During a debate in November, when moderator Wolf Blitzer introduced himself by saying that "Wolf" is really his first name, Romney greeted the audience by saying, "I'm Mitt Romney, and yes, Wolf, that's also my first name." In fact, Willard is his first name. It's a lie notable for being so mundane: Why would someone fudge their name? It's almost as if he can't control himself.
What a loon. Still going for the village idiot award.
Waste your vote like you did last time.
Dont expect Mittwitts to to get it..... They cant....
Am wondering if "Therman Merman" works, at least not for bho or msnbc that is...
rukidding and NPCDan - facts and accurate figures really confound you guys, don't they.
Great post Therman!
NPCDan
And yet another conspiracy kook is heard from.
Where is the outrage of the GOP village idiots that Romney and Guilliani are doing a gig to politicize OBL's death in NYC? WTF? Where are the cries of "how dare they?" Where is the hatred for these two??? Where is the disdain? Oh wait - it's replaced by HYPOCRISY!!!!