"Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order," said the former Massachusetts governor.

What's amazing is, this was the perfect opportunity for Willard to come out & take a stand on SOMETHING - ANYTHING!

Instead all we got was another personal attack!

binLaden is DEAD and GM is ALIVE!

President Obama is Great! Celebrate......celebrate.....celebrate!

It's interesting that Mittster brings up Carter. Recall that President carter DID make a similar decision - the Iranian Embassy hostage rescue attempt. That effort was a complete failure - and it likely cost Carter a second term (Republicans tore hinm a new one over the attempt and failure).

Obama was certainly aware of the risks - dipomatic, strategic, tactical, and political - and he decided to go ahead with the bin Ladin assault based on logical and well-considered factors. The decision and resulting assault were tremendiously successful. Should Obama now pretend that, as President, he had nothing to do with a major victory? That's what the Republicans would have him do! As if they forgot "Mission Accomplished." Gimme a break!!!

chilled

binLaden is DEAD and GM is ALIVE!

And if Romney had been president last year, the reality would be the exact reverse.

BTW: I find it interesting how the "liberal" media is hyping the Republicans' whining about Obama actually having the gall to campaign on his record. You seldom heard the media confronting the Bushies about how they were shamelessly exploiting 9/11 for political gain. And Bush's failure to act on intelligence that a terrorist attack on the U.S. was imminent was certainly nothing to brag about. But they bragged anyway.

This sums up Romney's view:

That was an unmistakable reference toward Romney's 2007 comments to the Associated Press that "it’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person," meaning bin Laden.

Clearly there was no 'profit' in bringing a mass murderer to justice.

I think this is fitting, for all you 'Trek' fans out there:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lydyatB3WR1qz864mo1_500.jpg

Jersey Bob: every sane American knows that if the missioned failed to get Osama and we lost more American lives in the process, the GOP in congress would be calling for impeachment hearings. They have no answer for this, because it was successful. As for as over celebrating? WTF! This bastard had 3000+ Americans killed on our soil and we cannot celebrate that he met this end at the hands of our special forces? The Obama administration won this battle, just move on. The more you try to down play it the more it will show that the GOP are sore losers. There are plenty other mistakes this administration made to pick on, but this is not one of them.

@chilled

more importantly: vote... vote... VOTE!

And tens of thousands of GM retirees and investors are out millions of dollars. We never hear about those people. Do you think they will vote for Mr. Obama.

GM retirees would have lost their entire pensions had GM gone down the tubes, you know, like Romney said he'd have let them.

@Houston....I think the media was totally afraid of the Bush/Cheney machine....at least until his second term......very little negative stuff. They knew what hapened to Dan Rather and Valerie Plame.

Yes, michaellittell, vote, vote, VOTE. I'm on it!

Ursula- no kidding! If he had not tried to get bin Laden or had failed in the attempt, the GOP would be all over him like white on rice. Now that he is standing on his records, the GOP accuses him of grandstanding.

That's all the Republicans are capable of doing - attack, attack, attack.

There's never any substance. At one time, they had a legitimate point of view (not that I ever agreed with them). Now there's nothing but personal attacks. And they're so far to the right it's incredible.

I'm wondering if Bush-it would've given that order. But when we've seen Bush-it hard stance on the Taliban. By letting them escape in to the mountains of Afghanistan.

jollyoldsoul1

And tens of thousands of GM retirees and investors are out millions of dollars. We never hear about those people. Do you think they will vote for Mr. Obama.

And millions of Americans still have their jobs because the Government loaned GM the money. How many jobs do you think would have been lost nationwide of Mitt had his way and just let the US auto industry go bankrupt? Of course his friends would have been untouched with their golden parachute...but how about average Americans...oh, I get it, not your concern.

"When they show you who they are...believe them!"

unmistakable reference toward Romney's 2007 comments to the Associated Press that "it’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person," meaning bin Laden.

This was exactly Bush's stand on capturing Bin Ladin. It was not a priority for them.

JustMee

Obama is shameful regarding every aspect of this presidency/reign....

There you go folks...another pathetic neoconservative drive by. If you have nothing to offer, simply attach the other side.

"When they show you who they are...believe them!"

And tens of thousands of GM retirees and investors are out millions of dollars.

That's a stupid argument because had GM fined for bankruptcy, they still would have been out that money.

It really is too bad that the mission President Carter authorized wasn't successful. The history of the world would have been changed. We would not now still be feeling the effects of being pissed on trickle down economics by the GOP as originated under President Reagan.

Our relationships in the Middle East would be entirely different because there would be knowledge that we take care of our own. We probably would not have abandoned Lebanon to terrorists after the Marines were attacked. We would not have given arms to terrorists in Central America.

In short, the world would be at much better place today.

thetotas Once again completely out of context. "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He's one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He's by no means the only leader. It's a very diverse group – Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that." Mitt Romney - 05/2007

Then I guess Obama's the better man. Not only did he get bin Laden, but he has also killed more terrorist leaders than his predecessor. So tell me again what your issue is?

"When they show you who they are...believe them!"

justmee

shameful is; telling the american public there where WMD in Iraq

shameful is; telling the american public there are taliban training camps in iraq.

shameful is; standing in front of a sign that says "mission accomplished". when in fact the bush-it has accomplished NOTHING.

shameful is; when your do inept to see what your GOP has done to this country.

and so on and so on.

"You seldom heard the media confronting the Bushies about how they were shamelessly exploiting 9/11 for political gain. "

You got it. This is just another in a long, long line of Republican hypocrisy. Bush and CO started exploiting 9/11 for political gain about an hour after the towers fell. Two things we know for sure --- 9/11 happened on George W. Bush's watch and Bin Laden was eliminated on President Obama's watch.

Romney's comment is flat out amazing, considering that GOP is salivating to flush even more US taxpayer money down the Pentagon toilet.

Chris@SLC-- Thanks for the reminder. Dubya did not take the risk to go after bin Laden:

"That year, it was his Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld who cancelled the U.S. special forces operationdesigned to "snatch and grab" Ayman Al Zawahiri and other senior Al Qaeda leaders. The story, following July 2006 revelations that the CIA had previously disbanded its Bin Laden unit, gives lie to one of the central tenets of the so-called Bush Doctrine: no safe havens for terrorists. As the New York Timesreported in July 2007, Rumsfeld ran roughshod over then CIA Director Porter Goss, scuttling the mission at the last moment even as the U.S. forces were boarding planes for the assault:

But the mission was called off after Donald H. Rumsfeld, then the defense secretary, rejected an 11th-hour appeal by Porter J. Goss, then the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, officials said. Members of a Navy Seals unit in parachute gear had already boarded C-130 cargo planes in Afghanistan when the mission was canceled, said a former senior intelligence official involved in the planning.

Mr. Rumsfeld decided that the operation, which had ballooned from a small number of military personnel and C.I.A. operatives to several hundred, was cumbersome and put too many American lives at risk, the current and former officials said. He was also concerned that it could cause a rift with Pakistan, an often reluctant ally that has barred the American military from operating in its tribal areas, the officials said.

Romney, et al are trying the same old Swiftboat crap of attacking someone who has proved his military or national security ability in a sorry-arse attempt to CYA about his own weakness.

You mean kind of like if Bain didn't restructure those failing companies, everyone would have lost their job?

Except Bain pilfered the employees' 401ks did they not?

"GM DID GO BANKRUPT."

True -- thanks to the bail-out they didn't. Had it not been for the bail-out -- they would have and the investors and retired employees would have been likely out in the cold.

True -- thanks to the bail-out they didn't.

GM filed for bankruptcy protection is what WCA means. If you're going to respond to that you're supposed to say:

"But the bailout gave them the capital they needed to restructure and recover from bankruptcy."

Whatever the F, But Obama has been the one to persevere. He has the credit. OBL was caught because of the policies of Obama. ST6 sealed the deal. signed sealed delivered. Obama gets the credit. ST6 did it. Long live effectiveness.

Free Market fan -- Really, seriously? Are you right-wingers this gullible? Holy cow, it is documented fact that the Bush administration did not take the risk to get bin Laden. Everything is on video -- Dubya didn't "think much about getting bin Laden," and likewise it's on record that Romney wasn't very interested in getting bin Laden either.

Come on! If Teapublicans could take credit for this success, they would be unbearable. And as if it isn't enough for the right-wing to refuse to give President Obama credit, Rove and his Crossroad's Super PAC are spending $$$$ trying to make the president look like an empty suit. This is the same old Rovian GOPee Wee Herman "I know you are but what am I" tactic. Because everyone knows (including you) that Romney is the empty suit who is weak especially as Commander in Chief.

Not only is it disgusting that Teapublicans continue their criticism of the president instead giving him the credit he deserves, this "politics of envy" IS what is divisive. How would you right-wingers feel if on the 9-11 memorial this year all the Dems made attacks against Dubya for the terrorism that happened on his watch? The Dems will not do this, because this underhanded and hateful "strategery" is reserved for the GOP/TP.

The more Romney and the GOP/TP minions continue the negative bashing the more popular President Obama will be. Carry on you idiots...

Jolly Old Soul,

You owe your cushy job to Obama. GM, Chrysler and the whole domestic auto industry would have gone down the tubes if they hadn't received the loans. Ford took $7 billion too, along with other loans, but that fact is not too well known.

No matter what way you try to spin this Jolly anything but a managed bankruptcy administered by a DEMOCRATIC administration would have resulted in the destruction of the domestic auto industry AND THEIR UNIONS!! Man up and admit it.

Re: GM / Bin Laden comment and "bankruptcy"

I work for Chrysler. At a pancake breakfast at Cranbrrok (Romney alma mater) one Sunday I sat next to a lady who is a Senior Manager in International Finance at Chrysler Corporation.

We got to talking about our near death and the government loans and Obama taking us through a controlled/managed bankruptcy instead of throwing us to the Republican sharks.

She said: "Well,...frankly I usually vote with the Republican party, but to tell you the blunt truth: if McCain had gotten elected we would be both picking out of a garbage can for our next meal right now."

The first thing to go in any bankruptcy is Union contracts, then the layoffs begin, and the company and physical property is cut up and sold and given to creditors.

Chrysler would be gone. GM would be gone. Ford would be gone. Magna Intnl, Lear, Johnson Controls, etc, etc, etc would all be gone. Probably 2 million jobs,.....gone,....overnight.

Think this country could have survived that? You'd be picking out of that same garbage can right next to me Jolly!!

....AND you know it!

Ben, your comment means nothing. GM is selling more cars than any other company, but you would have handed it to Romney and his vultures at Bain just because GM is unionized. Do you enjoy your weekends? Do you enjoy a 5 day work week or a 40 hour work week? Thank a the unions for that and much more.

Unions = human dignity

Obama/Biden 2012

["But the bailout gave them the capital they needed to restructure and recover from bankruptcy."]

And this is the very reason why WhiteCollarCriminal has a job today...

...oh, and his pension...

...his big, fat, pension...

Ain't that right, WCA?

Yeah, I'm right...now say it with me WCA:

"Thanks President Obama!"

White Collar Auto

Hey folks for like the gazillionth time:

GM DID GO BANKRUPT.

For the gazillionth time, GM would have been liquidated if the federal government had not intervened because the private sector didn't have the money to loan as Romney recommended when GM was going under at the height of the Bush Recession.

For the gazillionth time, GM would have been liquidated if the federal government had not intervened....

Well Said Houston!!

White Collar Auto claims to have an intimate knowledge of the auto industry, but judging from what he writes he seems to be guided more by ideology than reality/truth.

The Republican sharks would have torn the entire Midwestern United States to shreds when that industry went down.

Romney, courtesy of thetotas:

It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that.

And what, exactly was Romney's "plan"??? I guess it was a secret plan, huh? Obama did have a real plan, and he acted upon it as he promised during the 2008 campaign.

Wow miked, looking for another conspiracy theory? The bottom line is this, the president did the job, bin Laudin is dead, and Bush stopped trying because it was too hard. What a loser "W" was and is.

Well Bill, GM owes the government nothing, and the STILL unionized GM is selling more cars than any other car company. You probably bought some foreign pick up because your don't believe in this country anymore. Why do you have USA in your name if you don't buy American products? Don't tell me about toyotas built in the USA. They only assemble them here. GM builds them.

Uh, miked, you seem to think that YOU have the true story, somehow. So, how is it that NO one else seems to have it?

For that matter, how is it that you have provided absolutely NO substantiation for your true story?

Uh, miked, it's your team that is constantly concocting and believing conspiracy theories.

How about that birth certificate?

Can't wait to see Romnut's FLIP FLOP on this one!

Bush & the GOP FAILED to get Bin Laden and failed on the war on terror

Obama got Osama!

miked-332794-- And so? Compared to Dubya and war profiteer Cheney rushing our nation to invade Iraq, President Obama's thoughtful and well-planned approach whether Somalian pirates or Libya or getting bin Laden is FAR more preferred. Talk about lessons learned, and President Obama making sure Americans were safely extracted from Libya before dropping bombs.

The information that has come out about the lies to invade Iraq (Downing Street memo, outing Valerie Plame, etc.) followed by torture having no role in gleaning information...

What I'm waiting for now is more information about the GOP/TP meeting held on President Obama's inauguration day... Yeah.

And this Flip Flopping Clown is the best the GOP has LMAO!

The commander-in-chief only gets one chance to make the right decision on foreign policy challenges. Here are just five of the many times when President Obama made the right call while Romney got it wrong:

1. The President made the decision to pursue and bring Osama bin Laden to justice. Romney said it was “not worth moving heaven and earth” to find bin Laden. [Source: TIME]

2.The President put in place the most “crippling sanctions” on Iran. Romney elected to invest in companies that did business in Iran. [Source: AP]

3.When President Obama imposed tariffs to protect American workers from unfair trade practices, Romney called such policies “bad for the nation.” [Source: Mitt Romney, “No Apology”]

4.The President has worked with Russia to secure loose nuclear materials, put sanctions on Iran, and supply our troops in Afghanistan. Romney called Russia America’s “number one geopolitical foe.” [Source: ABC News]

5.The President brought the troops home from Iraq and is drawing down troops from Afghanistan. Romney called the Iraq withdrawal “tragic” and thinks troops should stay in Afghanistan indefinitely. [Source: Foreign Policy]

cruzin--Guantanimo is open because Republican objection and filibuster.

Bzzzt, try again to find a skeleton in Obama's promises.

I'd venture to say ALL of Obama's promises unfulfilled are due to Republican obstruction, not failure on his own part.

thetotas

Houston,

They took his words completely out of context, and that's all I was saying.

No, they didn't. Romney was not going to make capturing or killing Bin Laden a priority, and if we had the misfortune of him being elected president in 2008, Bin Laden would still be alive (and GM would be dead).

If you want out of context, look what Karl Rove did to Bill Clinton's statement about the killing of Bin Laden: “When I saw what had happened, I thought to myself, I hope that is the call I would have made.” Rove deleted almost the entire sentence in a Wall Street Journal screed, leaving only the last part of the sentence: "that is the call I would have made" to deceive people into believing that Clinton was saying that "any president" would have done the same thing. Romney and Rove are obviously on the same dishonest page.

Isn't it funny that bin Laden was enough of an issue to rise into the debates of 2008 in an effort exploit McCain's military background, but for the Republicants and TeaPutzes it's not worth mentioning now. The sore losers, aaahhmm coservatives, used to put bumper stickers on their cars and trucks that read, "Don't Blame Me. I voted for Bush." You don't see those any more! Now they're rallying around a candidate whose only conservative alignment is for the corporate world and financial markets. Romney is nothing more than another Dubya!! Michaellittel is ABSOLUTELY correct! Vote, vote, VOTE!!

KRedcorn

Obama must think he’s pretty slick because he does this all the time, lumping Ford in with GM and Chrysler as he attempts to put a positive spin on the auto bailouts.

Obama doesn't have to put a positive spin on saving the US auto industry, because there's very little negative about it, except for Romney's chances to win Michigan and Ohio. Ford didn't take the federal loans, but Ford wanted the government to save their competitors GM and Chrysler, because if those two companies went down, Ford would be dragged down with them as the supply chain needed to keep all three companies going collapsed.

Ruken 1.5: Now I finally get it! Romney, and probably his biggest backers are Ferengi! That explains everything. The trees are the right height, I'm unemployed too, on all sides of all issues- all of it!

At least we now know that it a human vs. the Ferengi Empire!

Easy vote.

For anyone with a brain.

"And he also said he wouldn't move heaven and earth to get bin Laden. Well, the president did move heaven and earth."

Where did we move to? I didn't feel anything. I thought all Obama did was authorize a small operation that ANY president would have authorized.

YEAH!! Obama!!! Really spiking that football.

Subliminal--Not a fact in your comment.

@JoAnnaSmith1

Total bull$hit. I challenge you to name even one company that Bane pulled out of bankruptcy. You really need to educate yourself so you don't look stupid or deceitful. Bane's MO was to acquire healthy companies with very little debt so they could "flip" them. They typically would cut jobs and maintenance to nothing and customer service would go down the toilet. Bane would force the company to borrow huge amounts of money that they would then take as "management fees" and after paying themselves a boatload of money , they would either sell the company, now buried with debt, or they would simply cut legal ties with the company so when it crashed, it wasn't their loss- a nice combination of parasite and predator. But this required a healthy company with little debt. The few companies that survived brushes with Romney-Bane were companies where they were small minority investors like Staples and ( I think) Domino's. They didn't have enough control there to rape them and leave them for dead. It's noteworthy that Bane and Romney refuse to discuss past "Bane acquisitions" that they "saved". And not a single person from Romney's past has stepped up and said,"yeah!!Mitt's the man!!!". Not a single one...kinda odd that such a hero's past is so shrouded in secrecy.

So to your post, I say "TOTAL BULL$HIT!!!!!" If what you say is true, prove it...or else shut up about it. Name one company they saved. Just one. Should be easy,right??

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2012-04-18/news/mitt-romney-american-parasite/

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And tens of thousands of GM retirees and investors are out millions of dollars. We never hear about those people. Do you think they will vote for Mr. Obama.

Stock holders took a hit. They were going to take a hit anyway. Are you suggesting that saving GM was somehow unfair to those that would have been last in line in court anyway? What the gov did was prevent an even bigger mess and allowed a new GM to emerge.

But of course Mitt always assured that existing stock holders were paid handsomely after he took over a company... what a laugher.

The Republican sharks would have torn the entire Midwestern United States to shreds when that industry went down.

The real goal was to end the UAW, pure and simple. The Republicans aren't out to beat the Democratic Party, the middle class or the union worker making a decent wage for a day's work. It's goal is to wipe all of them off of the face of the earth. Don't let them fool you with their phoney patriotism and cries of liberty. They're conquerors on the same level as the Vandals.

What is hilarious Bill is you utterly fail to mention that all those numbers happened as the result of the worst recession since the Great Depression, which had nothing to do with the WH changing hands. Lots of effort, many words, but still a fail.

Hey Ursula,

You better watch your back because Feisty doesn't like being number 2. I would've loved to see her face when she didn't get to be the number 1 poster. I mean, she's paid to make sure her statements are on the top and seen by all. I think she's on the email list of a bunch of the MSNBC writers so she knows when the article breaks.

Either way, I know she doesn't like to lose. You should see how she turns into a cornered cat and just slaps insulting rhetoric at anything that moves when she's confronted with an actual debate. So just letting you know to watch out, I'm sure she's got your number.

ROY WILSON-336103

"I thought all Obama did was authorize a small operation that ANY president would have authorized."

Oh, Really? Military action against the soil of a sovereign country with nuclear weapons? Mmm. Think again dude. Takes balls to do that.

Pakistan was hiding the guy next to a military base. Obama knew this. It's conceivable if not dead-obvious that hiding Bin Laden was with full knowledge and support of Zardari and the rest of the Pakistani government.

Yet he still took action, playing the politics of the game perfectly, and gave Zardari a way out through plausible deniability that didn't force him politically to take counter action (which can be very dangerous if we got drawn into a war with Pakistan).

I can't help but think that Bush would have attacked but screwed up the politics afterwards, drawing us into a war, and that Romney would have flip flopped on strategy 3 times during the operation, and getting the entire seal team killed without actually getting any results.

@Wayne

"GM owes the government nothing"??? Really,

I guess considering they still owe 14.5 BILLION dollars as of 5/01/2012 plus out of the money they paid back 16.4 Billion was put into escrow so they could access it so they didn't technically pay it back. On top of that a bunch of the money was paid in stock so the government still owns GM. Even AIG has paid back more in percentage than GM. Ford didn't take money and is more profitable, Chrysler took money but paid it off quickly because of the sale and Marchionne who has revamped the brands. Chrysler is much more profitable than GM now, mainly because it's back in the hands of a businessman, not bureaucrats.

The upper end of GM's business practices are no different then they were before the bailout...because they were bailed out. Ford is leaner and more profitable and Chrysler is much more profitable. So comparing apples to apples who does better, business or government?

GM Volt = $240,000 per car in taxpayer subsidies.

the ONE SINGLE REASON Papa Bush's lucky sperm failed to deal with OBL is that

HE IS A CHICKEN-HAWK, like Cheny, Rove, Norquist, Rummey et al... THEY derived their sole military "credentials" thru General Colin Powell, whom THEY ALL LIED TO in order to get the UN footing to invade a country that posed NO THREAT WHAT SO EVER to the USA....

...ask Gen. Powell about how HE FEELS about being a TOOL for the lucky sperm ...!

Obama, pfft. I KILLED BIN LADEN... me, me, me...I, I, I...I am the numero uno, you may kiss my ring and official worship sites will remain open indefinitely.

Howcome Obama uses such a specious comment like "Romney wouldn't kill bin Laden" as his new election motto? If all he has to show is that he killed bin Laden, then guess you work with what you got. I would like to see some facts, some real facts about his successes, that would be more of a campaign boost than silly comments about how his competition wouldn't have killed bin Laden.

So Romney, how about YOU and the GOP stop making the death of bin Laden divisive?!

Ask some military leaders and they will tell you it's a shame that the right-wing refuses to give credit for a really gutsy move, and a shame this even has to be an issue.

After the 9-11 tragedy, the nation came together. After the killing of bin Laden, the Teapublicans would not come together. On the anniversary of major events, the Teapublicans are still the ones being divisive about getting bin Laden and we all know why. It is the politics of envy that the GOP/TP can no longer proclaim themselves to be strongest on national security.

Romney has been going around pissing everyone off whether insulting cookies or working mothers. Attacking the accomplishment of getting bin Laden only pisses people off. It is interesting to learn the details of this historic event.

Jimmy Carter made a gutsy decision to get the hostages out of Iran. The chopper went down in a dust storm, and we all know what that did to his popularity. President Obama could have just bombed the bin Laden compound and played it safe. Instead, he took the risk and sent in the Seals.

Romney, who does not have the backbone to tell voters where he really stands, who does not have the backbone to stand up to Limbaugh or Nugent, who does not have the backbone to do interviews at all let alone on unfriendly networks...

Romney did not have the backbone to stand up to Limbaugh and Ted Nugent, has not had the backbone to do interviews, especially with "unfriendly" press. I can tell you this without reservation -- does NOT have the backbone to make the call that President Obama made in sending the Seals in to get bin Laden.

I give the President a lot of credit for making the right decision in a risky situation. We've had "good intel" before that turned out very wrong (WMD's, and terrorist ties in Iraq).

I just would've preferred the President taking a more humble approach and thanking the men and women in the intelligence/military communities for giving him the opportunity to make that decision. After all they did all the work, and took all the real risks (sometimes their lives)!

Leave it to politicians to take something that should have brought all Americans together in knowing that no one in the world can escape justice when they kill American citizens for any reason, into an event to devide us! America's enemies all over the world must be laughing their backsides off!!!

Funny they're still talking as if Obummers actually gave the kill order, the truth came out folks, Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years, as admitted by Bhutto in her 2007 interview only a few days before a failed attempted assasination, then a successful one a month later...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKDYZfEbEow

The Pentagon admitted they have no proof of the supposed raid on Bin Laden's compound, and of course, we can't even ask the seals that "participated", since they mysteriously dies in a helicopter crash...

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323364

Pdw;

Gettin' kinda' desperate, eh?

Agree. If Al Queda needed any recruiting material, all they have to do is come to First Read.

We all are now on a list for you having said that.

If Al Queda needed any recruiting material, all they have to do is come to First Read.

Rocco, ain't that the truth!

Actually steve, it isn't. Democrats are all for killing terrorists. W would have let Hitler slide because he couldn't find his bunker.

Rocco - LOL - being sensitive to how the Muslim world might take our reaction to bin Laden's death is obviously so 1 year ago.

We're over it and they should be too.(gentle jesting here)

W would have let Hitler slide because he couldn't find his bunker.

No Wayne,....I think W. let OBL slide because he was a business partner of the Bush family.

It is considered bad form to snuff your business partners. In Texas they call it foul play. In New York they call it the Mafia.

What is the recruiting material? The republicans running down our president for doing his job?

Or is the recruiting material the fact the republicans want to elect a bush clone who shoots first and never ask questions later and thinks that working with the rest of the world or even the rest of Americans like equals is beneath them.

It is no accident that Romney has hired most of the old bush advisers. Any man who talks about the trees being the right height is not exactly the sharpest tack in the box. Romney is just like bush with the same bush advisers doing the same kind of thinking and you saw where that led us.

Are republicans so dumb that they really think the bush years were so good that we now need to relive them already?

England tried the austerity route and are now entering into a double dipped recession. Is that what you really want for America?

Vote for women's freedom....vote Obama/Biden 2012

All of the right-wing freaks who have posted here are grabbing at straws.

They are in FULL PANIC MODE. They cannot come to grips with the FACT that President Barack Obama has made hundreds of WISE decisions that Repubs and corporate greed-bags couldn't figure out.

Repubs are so envious they can't even stand themselves.

Stop your right-wing sniveling dribble. All you Repubs can think to do is play your criticizing games. YOU ALL HAVE NO GOOD PLANS OF YOUR OWN for the future of America.

Noticed how Obama did not take all the credit, it took a team to accomplish this, kudos to all. This is the kind of man he is, he knows what it would mean to the American people, especially those families who lost their loved ones at the world trade center. If Romney or for that matter any GOP President would of taken all the credit, just as Bush did when he said "mission accomplished", and we all know mission was not accomplished, a war we never should of been in. So GOP if you do not want to celebrate, fine, just go back to work and do more of nothing for this country.

And why shouldn't we remember this day, I think we owe it to those who lost their lives and to all the families, this affected every one of us and it is something we will never forget, nor should we!

This entire story could have been summed up in the following sentences:

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Meanwhile, Congressman Ron Paul continues to slowly and quietly rack up delegates that we here at MSN refuse to report. We will do our best to continue bringing you useless news about topics that don't matter and skew delegate counts so that your political news remains entertaining and mind-numbing all at the same time. Now, a word from our sponsors."

coyotehunter????? Ted is that you, you scounderl!!! Now why don't we step outside and you say those words to my face!!!!!!! DAng Varmit

Are you suggesting bush would have done it himself? I believe he went AWOL. No the president don't go to the battlefield, what rock you been under?

it’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person," meaning bin Laden.

We should ask Mitt Romney if he is talking about his good old pal Dick Cheney and the other: George Bush, because those two were the guilty party that spent billions FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN REVENGE AND OIL.

And then he goes on to say that "Even Jimmy Carter would do it" Etch-a-Sketch Romney could not fit BETTER. Picked by his OWN CAMPAIGN STAFF.

PFFT!!!

From 2004- 2007 4 top Al Qaeda leaders were killed.

From 2008- Jan. 2012 over 60 top Al Qaeda leaders were killed.

That's all President Obama did - COYOTEHUNTER. Pathetic that you can make such a statement with no factual truth.

JoAnnaSmith1

GM retirees would have lost their entire pensions had GM gone down the tubes, you know, like Romney said he'd have let them.

You mean kind of like if Bain didn't restructure those failing companies, everyone would have lost their job?

GM though got a special bankruptcy. They didn't have pay off their bondholders, vendors, or pensioners. The got tens of billions of dollars from the taxpayers, and didn't have to pay that off either. Sweet deal.

Also, the demand for the product didn't go down, other auto makers would have made up for the slack, bought the old GM plants and dealerships, and hired back many if not all of the workers. Just like well run companies do when they buy out failed companies like GM

.

@JoAnnaSmith1

Total bull$hit. I challenge you to name even one company that Bane pulled out of bankruptcy. You really need to educate yourself so you don't look stupid or deceitful. Bane's MO was to acquire healthy companies with very little debt so they could "flip" them. They typically would cut jobs and maintenance to nothing and customer service would go down the toilet. Bane would force the company to borrow huge amounts of money that they would then take as "management fees" and after paying themselves a boatload of money , they would either sell the company, now buried with debt, or they would simply cut legal ties with the company so when it crashed, it wasn't their loss- a nice combination of parasite and predator. But this required a healthy company with little debt. The few companies that survived brushes with Romney-Bane were companies where they were small minority investors like Staples and ( I think) Domino's. They didn't have enough control there to rape them and leave them for dead. It's noteworthy that Bane and Romney refuse to discuss past "Bane acquisitions" that they "saved". And not a single person from Romney's past has stepped up and said,"yeah!!Mitt's the man!!!". Not a single one...kinda odd that such a hero's past is so shrouded in secrecy.

So to your post, I say "TOTAL BULL$HIT!!!!!" If what you say is true, prove it...or else shut up about it. Name one company they saved. Just one. Should be easy,right??

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2012-04-18/news/mitt-romney-american-parasite/

The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq .

I thing that in that instance, he is just shifting the blame. There was absolutely NO REASON to go to war against Iraq, other than his personal revenge. Then he tried to make it look as if it was a patriotic act "thanking the troops" Yeah! RIGHT! Just as good as saying:

Mission Accomplished: Doing a heck of a job....

Carter-I'm an engineer; Kerry-I served in Vietnam; Obama-I killed bin Laden

Carter-I'm an engineer; Kerry-I served in Vietnam; Obama-I killed bin Laden

Carter-I'm an engineer; Kerry-I served in Vietnam; Obama-I killed bin Laden

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying.

The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
The higher he's a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
And nearer he's to setting.

November...

Carter lost election.

Kerry lost election.

Obama loses election.

Carter lost election.

Kerry lost election.

Obama loses election.

There is more at stake this time, besides, never before we have seen the parade of lunatics that the GOP has served us this time around. Your predictions are not up to the times.

COYOTEHUNTER - Were your parents related before they conceived you?

How did Obama kill Osama. What weapon did he use? I didn't know he was part of Seal Team 6 ?? Even Ghandi would have taken credit for that one. Give me a BREAK!!!!

@flexmind: Obama gets the same amount of credit for the mission being successful as he would of blame for the mission being a failure. Had it failed, Obama would be raked mercilessly over the coals by the GOP, if not even impeachment hearings. I would say he's being rather understated given the circumstances.

For example, he could have landed a fighter jet on an aircraft carrier and announced it in a bomber jacket.

I can't wait to read about Obamas next operation. My guess is he and a few of his EPA flunkies will don Seal Team 6 garb and hunt down some of those evil oil company executives for a good old fashioned Roman crucifixion!

Katheryn,

In regards to your opening statement.

I've got a feeling we don't see anywhere eye to eye on our politics but I must say you stated that 2nd point perfectly and I couldn't agree more. This is the United States of America media machine in full technicolor reality and it's pathetic on all levels and all sides.

@Barry

I keep seeing this same thing on here. You and some like you have stated that if the mission went bad and seals died or whatever, that barack would have been raked over the coals by the GOP, and you're right. But that's my issue, if it was successful and you applaud him for it (which I've given him the atta-boy for doing his job). Shouldn't he get equal criticism if it failed? Then if it failed shouldn't that criticism have come from most Americans not just the GOP but it wouldn't come from the left would it?

That's the problem with the country the way it is right now. There is nothing that he could do that would make the liberals in this country stand up and heavily criticize him. No matter what moves he makes you guys go to bat for him. He's untouchable and that's wrong. I made tons of criticisms against Bush, Clinton, Bush1, and even the poster child Reagan...Carter was a gimme. But I just can't find any libs that will point out things that he's seriously doing wrong and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to find them.

So I agree with you about what would have happened but I also want to know if we should all pat him on the back why shouldn't all of us hold him accountable?

Arg726

There you go presenting a logical and fact based point. If you could see through the monitors you'd see hundreds of blank, deer in the headlight stares. Someone like Feisty red head would attempt to counter your point with something like; "Oh yeah, you're a teabagger and teabaggers are liars, so nice lies rodnocker" except "rodnocker" is probably too creative for her but you get my point.

Nice post.

That's the problem with the country the way it is right now. There is nothing that he could do that would make the liberals in this country stand up and heavily criticize him.

Well, I find this position very interesting. Are you saying that the right is quick to admit mistakes and heavily criticize any of their own that obviously made mistakes? Take, oh say, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, for example. Oh yeah, the boards are full of criticism for his stupid economic policies, with righties everywhere criticizing him for doubling our national debt, increasuing the national debt limit 7 times in 8 years and increasing federal spending by an incredible 104%. NOT!

Oh, yes, the conservative criticism for these actions is... well, absent... non-existent! In fact, the primary comment about George W. Bush in most of the debates between the Republican presidential hopefuls was "he who must not be named".

But that's all right -

IOKIYAR

EEngineer

No, I'm not saying they were quick to criticize but I'm a conservative libertarian and in my circles and the usual stand by's that I listen to or read in the media along with myself did criticize Bush. I knocked him all the time on his spending and part of my knocking was that he was an idiot for signing every spending bill that was presented to him by the democrat congress.

Both were to blame, he was a wussy and they were just big spending democrats. I also criticized the lack of exit strategy for the Iraq war, parts of the patriot act etc. In Bush's last years his ratings were in the toilet. Now contrary to popular belief more people still identify themselves as conservatives than liberals, the numbers show it. So that being the case how were Bush's number so low if his own people were never against him?

Now flip that around, how can an overwhelming majority of Americans think we are on the wrong track as a country, on the wrong track financially, and moving much too slow on our recovery, disagree with the appointment of czars, disagree with the current immigration stance and with most of the current policies...but still think baracks doing a good job? Come on.

I find it funny how many of the posts say Bush wouldn't have had the balls to go after bin laden. That ones pretty funny because what I do give him credit for is having balls. I have no doubt, based on evidence that I've witnessed, that barack would have never jumped up on a demolished fire truck and ad-libbed with the strength Bush did. Admittedly that's speculation but it's based on some pretty reliable past activity.

Regardless, even in your post you point out things about Bush without even coming close to crediting barack for anything negative. Look back at my posts through time, I've criticized plenty. But there's a reason that "sheep" has been labeled on barack followers. The blind patronage is astounding, more so than I've ever seen. I wasn't a Clinton fan but I respected the guy because he did some things that worked, barack??? not so much, he isn't working.

In summary, both parties are guilty of standing by their man with blind allegiance. But this time around it's a bit scary because he could sell the statue of liberty for scrap copper to help drop the debt and it seems that a whoooole bunch of people on this site would defend his actions. Again speculation to make my point but I'm sure you get it.

And NO INOKIYAR and it's NOKIFAD! When it's not okay, it's not okay. The "oh yeah well this guy did this or that" crap is just silly. If we start referencing bad things that past presidents have done in every argument I'm going to just jump back in the 1800's and really make it stupid. This is here and now and the problems that we face have been brewing since Lincoln so my question is, what's barack doing about it and when he blatantly lies to US or stirring up crap among the citizens why aren't any of his own followers calling him out on it?

The country has always had political divide, we don't need our leader encouraging a higher level of it, no matter who he/she is.

Well, the president did move heaven and earth."

Bullsh*t, The president moved his pen after some heavy arm twisting. If Obama flapped his ears as much as he flaps his lips taking credit for the results of others actions, He'd be a supersonic ODumbo.

Thomas

Joanna never said "bankrupt" she stated "failing".

Staples = one poorly operating store to 90,000 employees

Dominos = 1998 slipped down to the brink of collapse, bain invests 1 billion, Saved from disaster and has now re-emerged as a leading powerhouse and has grown to 9,000 locations

Bright Horizons = miniscule company had it's head up its rear when it came to business. Bain and Romney came in very early and now they have 800 locations and employ 15,000 people.

There's plenty more but these were a few of the little ones that were not going anywhere, with the exception of domino's which was failing miserably.

She didn't say "bankrupt" companies dude. He built companies and more people gained employment than lost it. He pocketed a lot of money when they broke up or restructured companies. That's because he understands how business works. Bottom line = more people employed, more wealth created (not just for the board members). He understands buisiness and running large enterprises, barack understands how to skirt the constitution and wants to diminish our status in the world.

Now flip that around, how can an overwhelming majority of Americans think we are on the wrong track as a country...

Because, basically, a president will always take the brunt of dissatisfaction with the economy. I don't think anything was going to happen as fast as people hoped it would.

Regardless, even in your post you point out things about Bush without even coming close to crediting barack for anything negative.

Wrong! I think Obama did one thing very wrong! Otherwise we wouldn't even be having this discussion. His emphasis on health care was stupid! Let it ride... it was obviously something that should have been taken care of, but it should have waited until the economy had improved. With a more forgiving legislative attitude, he could have done what was really needed, a public alternative to private health plans rather than a mandate for all to participate. And, you will admit, won't you, that the "mandate" is the primary objection to Obama's health care plan, won''t you?

I find it funny how many of the posts say Bush wouldn't have had the balls to go after bin laden.

Honestly, it isn't that, at least for me. It is the fact that it took almost 10 years of concentrated effort, by the greatest economy in the world, to conquer two areas that are smaller than states in in America! You do realize, don't you, that Iraq and Afghanistan are smaller than some states in the US (Teaxs, for instance, where Bush came from)? And you do realize that WWI took only 4 years, while WWII took 6 years, and both of these wars were fought on a global scale. Why? Because Bush/Cheney didn't want the wars to end! And isn't that why Bush/Cheney didn't want Osama bin Laden dead?

... barack would have never jumped up on a demolished fire truck and ad-libbed with the strength Bush did.

Staged f'in press relations! Do you really think Bush was risking anything? Be real. You wanna talk sheep! There's your f'in sheep! This is no better than Bush flying into a carrier and declaring "mission accomplished" when it really wasn't!

Look back at my posts through time, I've criticized plenty. But there's a reason that "sheep" has been labeled on barack followers. The blind patronage is astounding, more so than I've ever seen. I wasn't a Clinton fan but I respected the guy because he did some things that worked, barack??? not so much, he isn't working.

One at a time:

1. I've criticized plenty. I only have your word for that... let others look it up!

2. He isn't working? How is that? Lowest DOW was 6500, now it is over 13,000! Yep! he is doing real bad!

You know what? Come back when you have real criticism! So far, you got nothing!

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "NOTHING"

Most Americans hate the Repubs.

The RWNJ's believe the President is "politicizing" Bin Laden's death? But they do NOT think dubya did anything wrong conerning Saddam?

Look at this:

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The difference is he didn't gloat about it or have an "anniversary" about saddams capture....Nobama's an ass...

Bush left office with the country in collapse, no he couldn't celebrate any aniversary. He celebrated on the aircraft carrier before the war was over. He just THOUGHT it was over.He didn't bring the troops home and he didn't smoke him out of his hole, it took a democrat.

Billy Boy - Knock off the comment spamming jack-wad!

13dev

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "NOTHING"

Most Americans hate the Repubs.

Boy, I sure hope you're right....But I look at Tenn., La., Miss., Ala., and there are so many people who vote against their own best interests. One must admit the repugs could sell sno-cones in Alaska.

Isn't it after your bedtme,Feisty?

Isn't it after your bedtme,Feisty?

Thomas - NO way NO shspre NO how! ☺

I am having for too much fun - poking them with sharp sticks!

@coyotehunter: your dude landed a FIGHTER JET on a freakin AIRCRAFT CARRIER. By the time he got Saddam (who had WHAT to do with 9/11 exactly?) he'd already been cowed by his previous idiocy.

Obama is being understated by comparison.

Carter-I'm an engineer; Kerry-I served in Vietnam; Obama-I killed bin Laden

Nixon - "I am not a crook!" Ford - "Fore!" Reagan - "The wealth will trickle down to you!" Dumbya - "Mission accomplished!"

Nixon resigned, Ford LOST election, Reagan & Bushes bankrupted the nation.

Keep up the distorted worldview and poetry bill...

we enjoy the entertainment. More popcorn anyone?

Feisty

"NO way NO shspre" huh? English please.

Yeah your the idiot that pokes things with sticks and then when those things start to eat you alive you act surprised and baffled at how such a thing can happen. You use names on Billy (and everyone else) and stroke yourself (cause no one else will) by saying things like "you're so out of my league".

You're right "girlfriend" based on how much actual information you bring to the table you're in pee-wee league and with the ignorance that you display you can't touch the majors baby-cakes. You're mental capacities stop at insults and name calling and it's not even cleaver or entertaining, just elementary.

Hey do you get paid once a week or every other week from media matters?

"We've really got to make the case" against Hussein, Bush told Powell in an Oval Office meeting in late January, "and I want you to make it." Only Powell had the "credibility to do this," Bush said. "Maybe they'll believe you."

on Friday, January 23, the CIA announced without explanation that David Kay, the head of its Iraq Survey Group hunting for weapons of mass destruction, was being replaced. Later that day, Kay told reporters he doubted the weapons existed. When Congress demanded answers, Kay said the same thing.

Powell thought there was no sense denying the obvious questions Kay had raised. But it was the first doubt that any senior administration official had publicly expressed about the central justification for the war. The story made headlines around the world, and an agitated Condoleezza Rice called him the next morning in Georgia. Powell was not surprised; it was not the first time that the White House had blown up at him over what he considered honest comment. Rice, he later recalled, was usually the one to make the call. "She'd say, 'Oh, we've got a problem, what are we going to do about this? How are we going to fix this?' "

On this issue, he thought, there was little to be done. "The fact of the matter is, you can't ignore the possibility, since the guy we sent there for eight months as our guy says there's nothing there," he later recalled telling Rice with exasperation. "So, to say there's got to be something there when he, who has been there for eight months, says there's nothing there . . . You can't do that. You've got to at least accept the possibility."

On Monday, February 2, he arrived for an interview at The Washington Post carrying a blue folder with the marked-up testimony inside. He was "absolutely convinced" that the invasion had been the right thing to do, Powell emphatically told the two dozen reporters and editors crowded around a conference table in the newspaper's eighth-floor boardroom.

Would he still have "recommended the invasion" if Tenet had told him a year before "that there are no stockpiles?" one reporter asked.

"I don't know, because it was the stockpiles that presented the final little piece that made it more of a real and present danger and threat to the region and to the world," Powell replied. But there was no point discussing hypotheticals, he said, because "the fact of the matter" was that the CIA, as well as intelligence agencies in Britain and elsewhere, had "suggested the stockpiles were there."

But what if he had known they weren't there? the reporter pressed.

"The absence of a stockpile changes the political calculus," Powell acknowledged. "It changes the answer you get with the little formula I laid out."

After Rice's inevitable irate telephone call, presidential aides quickly began contacting the media to counteract the secretary's remarks. Annoyed but not surprised, Powell issued a White House-requested "clarification" insisting that Hussein had had the "capability and intent" to produce the weapons even if none had yet been found. Bush, he repeated, had been right to invade.

Still mulling over the situation a week later with a visitor in his dimly lit office, he criticized a persistent White House machismo that took aim at "anything . . . that suggests any weakness in the [administration's] position," regardless of common sense. That, and what he saw as a never-ending effort to humble him personally.

For a week after Kay's report, the CIA had continued publicly to stand by its prewar weapons assessment. But in a hastily arranged speech at Georgetown University on February 5, Tenet finally admitted the possibility of error. His "provisional bottom line," he said, was that the intelligence community had been "generally on target" in its warnings that Hussein was developing long-range missiles. But the CIA "may have overestimated the progress Hussein was making" on nuclear weapons.

As for biological weapons stockpiles and mobile laboratories, he said, "we are finding discrepancies in some claims made by human sources" to whom the agency "lacked direct access." The CIA, Tenet said, "did not ourselves penetrate the inner sanctum" of Hussein's programs but had "access to emigres and defectors" along with high-level information from "a trusted foreign partner." They were now in the process of "evaluating" questions such as, "Did we clearly tell policymakers what we knew, what we didn't know, what was not clear, and identify the gaps in our knowledge?"

Although Powell had been advised in recent months of problems with some of the intelligence sourcing, Tenet's speech was "the first time I heard that the CIA was no longer sticking behind its story" in public, he later recalled. He had been given no advance copy of the CIA director's remarks and listened in his office to a broadcast of Tenet's acknowledgment of "discrepancies" and uncertainties.

Powell stared silently at Wilkerson after Tenet finished speaking. "But the question is," Wilkerson said, reaching for a joke, "are you still friends?"

"I don't think so," Powell replied.

(writer-Karen DeYoung - WaPo)

Mister Fids

Tell the thousands who ended up in mass graves because of burning from the inside out at the orders of Saddam that it wasn't really chemical weapons he was using on them. Go ahead, tell them to just crawl on out of their graves because it was just a water based mist.

Saddam delayed for months and moved trucks into Syria while we waited for the UN to get it's head out of it's ass and do something. By the time the UN went in all they found were "baby food factory's" written in english on the backs of the workers. Really? Are you honestly that gullible.

I watched daily as even Brokaw reported of the massive stalling and the ridiculous cover that Saddam was throwing down. Now you've got an entertaining little story there but like I said, tell the people who were melted from the inside out that Saddam didn't have or didn't use any weapons like that. And if you, even for a moment, concede that fact (which will surprise the hell out of me) then do you really think Saddam destroyed all of his chemical weapons just becuase the UN told him he had to? There's not a government in the world that would do it. He moved them to Syria, we saw satellite pictures of the trucks at the Syrian border well before the UN went in to inspect. Not sure why you went off on this topic but whatever; set em up again mister.

Mittens, could you go find my blue flip flops please and bring them to me?

Tell the thousands who ended up in mass graves because of burning from the inside out at the orders of Saddam that it wasn't really chemical weapons he was using on them.

You are so full of @!$%#! How many Americans died because of chemical weapons? Well, actuaully, none! Prove different!

By the time the UN went in all they found were "baby food factory's" written in english on the backs of the workers. Really? Are you honestly that gullible.

Yep! You are absdolutely right! We can't tell the difference between baby foood and chemical weapons.... Moron

I call bull@!$%#! If there actually were any factories making WMD's we would have found trhem. We have been looking for > 10 years! There were none!@ No matter what you say, no matter how you want to say it, Bush lied!

Every politician makes remarks they, at some point, have to backtrack on...

From Sen. Obama’s Floor Speech, March 20, 2006:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries tofinance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

Exactly......Obama is using Romney's OWN WORDS!!! Is he flip-flopping back to NOW I WOULD INVADE PAKISTAN TO GET OSAMA? Pathetic. Willard will never be president. He thinks he can buy the presidency....I really want to know more about those Cayman Island and Swiss Bank accounts he had.

Job1---except in Mitt's case, a day of his income = $57,000.

You want to talk about flip flops? Here was Mitt Romney himself a few days later at the GOP debate in California moderated by Chris Matthews. The question is, who was he debating with? Himself?

Moderator: Governor Gilmore of Virginia, when speaking about Osama bin Laden last week, Governor Romney said, quote, "It's not worth moving heaven and Earth, spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."

Senator McCain called that naive.

Who's right?

Gilmore: You know, I think -- well, I think we do have to do everything that we can do to get this guy, and the reason is because he is a symbol to the people who believe, as a matter of faith, that they have a right and a duty to destroy Americans and Western civilization.

The bigger, however, issue, is this: The Americans have to lead against the sea of hostility that was referred to earlier.

This is a serious challenge.

We can't allow a situation where everyone, all the way from Morocco, all the way through the Middle East, all the way to the Philippines, believes that the United States does not have their best interests at heart.

During the Cold War -- and I served as...

Moderator: If I would, is President Bush partly responsible for that, in your view?

Gilmore: This is what I think we have to do: What I think we have to do is to use all of our abilities, diplomatic and economic and military, above all things, put ourselves on the moral high ground, and let people across the world know that we are in the same shoes that we were in during the Cold War.

During the Cold War, we represented the aspirations of people everywhere in the world in good faith. And that now must be our policy, so that we in fact do deny those kinds of people and resources to the people who we can't deal with diplomatically. And that, of course, is the Al Qaida type of fundamentalists.

Moderator: Governor Romney, respond to the mentioned reference to you...

Romney: Well, of course, we get...

(Laughter)

Moderator: ... by Senator McCain.

(Laughter)

Romney: Thank you. Of course we get Osama bin Laden and track him wherever he has to go, and make sure he pays for the outrage he exacted upon America.

Moderator: Can we move heaven and earth to do it?

Romney: We'll move everything to get him. But I don't want to buy into the Democratic pitch that this is all about one person -- Osama bin Laden -- because after we get him, there's going to be another and another.

This is about Shia and Sunni. This is about Hezbollah and Hamas and Al Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a worldwide jihadist effort to try and cause the collapse of all moderate Islamic governments and replace them with a caliphate.

They ultimately want to bring down the United States of America.

This is a global effort we're going to have to lead to overcome this jihadist effort. It's more than Osama bin Laden.

But he is going to pay, and he will die.

Moderator: OK. Thank you, Governor.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18478985/ns/politics-the_debates/t/california-republican-debate-transcript/

The issue isn't that Obama should not take great credit for the take down. Credit belongs to him, his advisers, and the SEALS for the mission.

Obama's problem is that he campaigned on being a great uniter and discarding the politics of the past. Instead he has doubled down on politics of the past and divides, not just the political class, but Mainstream USA on every issue he's ever spoken about.

He and his aides would gain more respect from the center and center right if he were just humble and reflected praise to the military leaders and victims of 9/11.

Matt-1145746 --

Well hell, when Rove's Crossroads Super PAC runs an ad trying to undermine the president, excuse him for not putting up with the right-wing Swiftboat BS and responding with an ad of his own.

It is the GOP/TP who are unpatriotic and divisive, time and again -- Teapublicans with Rove, Luntz, and the FOX Noise/Hate Radio propaganda machine are responsible for polarization of our nation.

Matt, if you want to blame someone for that, point your finger at the GOP. It's pretty darned difficult for President Obama to have united the country when on the evening he was sworn into office, leaders of the GOP met and plotted to obstruct everything he did; they decided on a "relentless, united" front to block, delay and deny everything. Indeed, on Jan 20, 2009, in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, Cantor, McCarthy, Ryan, Pete Sessions, Hensarling, Hoekstra, Lungren, DeMint, Kyl, Coburn, Ensign, Corker, Gingrich and Frank Luntz threw Americans and the economy under the bus for one purpose--to defeat President Obama. The GOP are not patriots, they are selfish and un-American.

When you are the leader you are responsible for the unity of your organization. The PACs and individuals you talk about are NOT the POTUS.

A real leader does not take half his organization and deride it every time he speaks. A real leader does not blame his organization for his problems, even if his organization is to blame. If he's supposed to get his organization working together, how can he do that if he's constantly saying, "Republicans this, Republicans that"? Who wants to work with a "boss" that will put them down (outright make fun of frequently) in public 5 minutes after meeting with them? No great leader ever takes so negative a tone. Other than his acceptance speech, I have rarely heard this man make positive remarks.

As the more powerful man, he should always be the better man and keep chugging along. And I'll say it again. The fact that his whole campaign was based around a better, more unified government and country is precisely why this is a bigger deal than it would otherwise be. He told us he was the game-changer, the unifier, transcendent from the political class, but he lied. It doesn't matter if GWB or Clinton or Reagan or whoever would take this bin Laden moment and do the same thing. It's the exact type of politicking Obama campaigned against. It's the "but they did it first" crap that is the justification for why either party makes a decision.

It's really too bad because he had the potential to take our country zooming into the century. Instead, we got Washington on steroids--a ramped up being oozing with everything we've all grown to despise in our capital.

Matt-1145746 -- And I thought there was no one more naive than Romney. You're not Matt, Romney's son are you?

So what is he supposed to do, Matt, just sit there and take it? Take the BS that "any" president would do it, when Bush DIDN'T do it. After incumbent Bush Swiftboated Kerry, he's NOT going to lay there and let the unpatriotic b-tards tarnish the POTUS--not just him, but the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

NO-SIREE, I think it is perfectly fine for him to smile and wave to the crowd as he walks around the end-zone and take CREDIT. That's NOT spiking the ball and is TOTALLY appropriate. THAT is UNIFYING the country in a victory we all deserve after the lagacy of 9/11. NOT letting him do that is DIVISIVE and UNPATRIOTIC.

NOT giving him THAT is INAPPROPRIATE and UNPATRIOTIC.

He didn't do anything!...Just sat there like the wimp he is, panning for that attack was in the works long before Nobama thought of it, he just happened to be the potus at the time...big deal...

Matt, your obviously listening to Lush Rimbaugh too much. The only people causing disunity in this country is the right wing nut bags. I for one do not want to go back to the good old 1950's. My 3 sons was a good show in the day, but it sucks now!

Carter-I'm an engineer; Kerry-I served in Vietnam; Obama-I killed bin Laden

Carter-I'm an engineer; Kerry-I served in Vietnam; Obama-I killed bin Laden

Carter-I'm an engineer; Kerry-I served in Vietnam; Obama-I killed bin Laden

Gather ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying.

The glorious lamp of heaven, the sun,
The higher he's a-getting,
The sooner will his race be run,
And nearer he's to setting.

November...

Carter lost election.

Kerry lost election.

Obama loses election.

OBAMA...

January 2009

TODAY

I killed bin Laden!

Avg. Retail price/gallon gas in U.S.

$1.83

$3.44

I killed bin Laden!

Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall

7.6%

9.4%

I killed bin Laden!

Unemployment rate, blacks

12.6%

15.8%

I killed bin Laden!

Number of unemployed

11,616,000

14,485,000

I killed bin Laden!

Number of fed. Employees

2,779,000

2,840,000

I killed bin Laden!

Real median household income

$50,112

$49,777

I killed bin Laden!

Number of food stamp recipients

31,983,716

43,200,878

I killed bin Laden!

Number of unemployment benefit recipients

7,526,598

9,193,838

I killed bin Laden!

Number of long-term unemployed

2,600,000

6,400,000

I killed bin Laden!

Poverty rate, individuals

13.2%

14.3%

I killed bin Laden!

People in poverty in U.S.

39,800,000

43,600,000

I killed bin Laden!

U.S. Rank in Economic Freedom World Rankings

5

9

I killed bin Laden!

Failed banks

140

164

I killed bin Laden!

National debt, in trillions

$10.627

$14.052

Thank you for killing bin Laden!

OBAMA...

January 2009

TODAY

I killed bin Laden!

Avg. Retail price/gallon gas in U.S.

$1.83

$3.44

I killed bin Laden!

Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall

7.6%

9.4%

I killed bin Laden!

Unemployment rate, blacks

12.6%

15.8%

I killed bin Laden!

Number of unemployed

11,616,000

14,485,000

I killed bin Laden!

Number of fed. Employees

2,779,000

2,840,000

I killed bin Laden!

Real median household income

$50,112

$49,777

I killed bin Laden!

Number of food stamp recipients

31,983,716

43,200,878

I killed bin Laden!

Number of unemployment benefit recipients

7,526,598

9,193,838

I killed bin Laden!

Number of long-term unemployed

2,600,000

6,400,000

I killed bin Laden!

Poverty rate, individuals

13.2%

14.3%

I killed bin Laden!

People in poverty in U.S.

39,800,000

43,600,000

I killed bin Laden!

U.S. Rank in Economic Freedom World Rankings

5

9

I killed bin Laden!

Failed banks

140

164

I killed bin Laden!

National debt, in trillions

$10.627

$14.052

Thank you for killing bin Laden!

Bill:

This post is unreadable.

What are you trying to say or forecast?

When Bush took office ( 2001)

$1.60 per gallon

6 months before Bush let office (July 2008)

$4.40 per gallon

Enough said: you are done!

amen. ditto.

Dr. Sam

Philip J. Berg, a democrat supporter of Hillary Clinton filed a lawsuit to stop Obama from running for president because he wasn't born in the United States. He filed that suit in August 2008 in a U.S. District Court in Pennsylvania. So you are wrong about the GOP starting the "birther" movement. What else are you wrong about?? Pretty much everything you stated as far as I'm concerned. GM still owes us Americans a lot of money.

good post DR. Sam this makes sense; Mitt trying is trying to explain how he'll be better than Obama, which he can't even explain how he'll be better. even though he says he'll be better, how can you trust a lie, flip flop guy like Mitt? The answer is I can't. i don't want the bush policies on steroids ever to run again, it'll be the end of us.

So you are wrong about the GOP starting the "birther" movement.

The GOP may not have started it but they sure tried to use it. But -- like the rest of the BS they've been throwing out for the last 3 years -- it won't work.

The GOP is full of bitter old white guys who can't get over the fact that they are slowly but very much SURELY losing control of the country to females, blacks, hispanics and asians. Republicans will do anything to maintain power, so Romney's lies are not at all surprising.

Republican's just can't get used to the reality that every word a politician says is usually recorded and they just can't lie like they are used to doing.

Dr. Sam, well said. Too bad we can't impeach those GOPers who decided to sabotage President Obama at the expense of Americans and America itself. Shameful, despicable lot, the GOP.

JH, you're wrong. FOX began the birther campaign not long after IL State Senator Barack Obama gave the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. You can go find it with Google. The GOP knew they had heard a speech that would ignite a party. The Hillary supporter jumped on the FOX bandwagon.

JH-as Paul Harvey would say "and now for the rest of the story"-Attorney Phillip J. Berg was a Pennsylvania Democrat Party state board member at one time-but-he sued the Supreme Court-specifically Scalia, Oconnor and Thomas for bush vs gore; he also sued FEMA for FEMA camps; he brought a RICO suit against George HW Bush, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and 154 others charging them with plotting 9/11; he also sued George W. Bush for his Iraq War and then he brought the birther nonsense up. Convenient to not mention the earlier cases that show Berg as a nutjob. The birthers probably don't know that their founding nutjob was crazier than any of them. You can google berg and find out more smaller cases that he did not finish. Why would anybody buy into the birther nonsense if they knew this-they don't know this.

@Jody, Iowa: So refreshing to read somebody who actually remembers recent history accurately! Everyone I know who saw the '04 DNC speech says they knew right at that moment he was going on to great things.

GO HAWKS! (Class of '93)

VirginiaDemocrat78- If Obama wins this election, ALL of America loses. The Democrats have had control of this country for over 45 out of 60 years. The damage was done by the Democrats and liberals. Read up on your history. Sorry, I forgot Liberals do not read or comprehend the truth or understand what is good or bad. All they know is they are being paid to vote for an incompetent person for the WH and lie like their savior, Obama. G*D help us all over this self proclaimed illegal president.

lmao....... really! So then why bother to vote or comment! I mean, its already in the bag....right?

jolly,

Yes, it's in the bag. You can vote if you want, but it won't make a difference. On the electoral map, President Obama has a commanding lead. If we just use the data from conservative pollsters like Rasmussen, if the election were held today, Obama would win with 347 electoral votes to 191 for Romney.

Republicans are well aware that their candidate has no viable path to 270 electoral votes, so they're just throwing out as much bile as they can. They're not interested in civility, only spewing hate.

"The Republicans know they've already lost this election"

How do you know? Are the votes rigged to be Democrat? If not, then you don't know who is going to win. Pennsylvania is changing from Democrat to Republican. Central and North Western PA (The swing counties) are already changing to Republican. Democrats are spoiled just as much. If things don't go their way, they cry "Racism!" and "You Hate!"

Pennsylvania still has over 1.1 MILLION more democrats than republicans.

BUt if you honestly thing Penn is a 'swing state', I have a bridge to nowhere for sale...

Random, Obama doesn't need PA to win, but it's not likely PA will shift enough for Romney to win it.

As far as rigging votes, well, you should talk to Jeb Bush about how that works.

And as far as voter fraud goes, well, you need look not farther than the GOP nominee himself. He committed voter fraud in January 2010 when he voted in Massachusetts in the special election to replace the late Ted Kennedy. He did not live in Massachusetts at the time, did not own property in Massachusetts and lied on the registration form listing his son's unfinished basement as his place of residence. Massachusetts law defines a residence for voter registration purposes as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life.” Anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years behind bars and a fine of $10,000. Mitt Romney was living in California at the time and also owned property in New Hampshire.

There's actually a small chance that if Massachusetts decides to prosecute, Mitt will be disqualified as a presidential nominee, as felons are not allowed to run for office.

It's funny how Republicans get their panties in a wad about "voter fraud" but couldn't provide one single example of a fraudulent vote being cast (until now, of course, and it's their nominee, lol.)

Pennsylvania doesn't have 1.1 million more Democratic voters. Only about 20 million people live in PA, there are about 10 million Dems and Repubs. Pennsylvanians are starting to realize that Democrats don't do anything good in office. That's why we have a Republican Governor.

Random,

Nice speculation, however, most polls say otherwise, Obama is leading. PA is a must win for Romney, but not for Obama. Even if Romney won PA, which is unlikely, Obama would still have 327 electoral votes, Romney would have 211, well short of the 270 needed to win.

Correction: It's not MOST polls that show Obama winning PA, it's ALL the polls. Even conservative pollster Rasmussen shows it being 45% for Obama and 44% for Romney, so given how conservative Rasmussen is, it more like the other polls that show a 5-11 point lead for Obama.

Random---according to the Pa. Department of State website, the state has 4,133,254 Democrats and 3,062,572 Republicans ---a difference of 1,070,682. There are also over a million voters from "other" parties or with no party affiliation.

www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/voter_registration_statistics/12725

States must provide a 'current' registration report on all voters registered to vote.

They are put up at 150 days before election, 60 days before election and 15 days before election. Many states put up a monthly report. Luckily, PA is one of them.

This report, on Pennsylvania (updated TODAY for their monthly report, btw), says...

3,062,572 Republican Voters

4,133,254 Democratic Voters

540,239 No affiliation voters

477,364 all other parties

total registration 8,213,429

Again. Please, both sides of the aisle, volunteer and work in local and state campaigns. You find out some pretty nifty tricks that way.

EDIT: Steelers Fan just barely beat me to it.

Random Pennsylvanian - try again:

Pennsylvania voter registration as of 3/19/2012:
Total:
8,197,079
Republican: 3,052,854 (37.2%)
Democrat: 4,129,464 (50.4%)
Independent: 537,268 (6.6%)
Other: 477,493 (5.8%)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/24/the-nuts-and-bolts-for-tuesdays-primaries/

EDIT: Steeler Fan and teknishan both beat me to it!

Random,

Just so you know, the highest number of people ever to vote in a presidential election in PA is 6,010,519. PA has over 4 million registered Democrats and 3 million registered Republicans. So teknishan was right on the money. How sad is it that we know your state better than you do?

Well, PA is +20, which is good.

If the president wins Florida, and only florida, he wins re-election.

OR he could win Ohio, where he's polling around +5 last I looked, and just about any other state and win re-election.

For Romney to win, he must win both Florida and Ohio.

If the media were honest and flat out said it out '1.1 million more dems than reps in pennsylvania' the election would be a whole lot more booooring. And that's bad for ratings.

so they try to manufacture PA as a 'battleground' state, where it's really not.

Add on top of that the fact that Obama is polling ahead of Romney in VA with 51%.

In order to get to 270, Romney must win PA, VA, FL, OH & NC. He loses any one of them and he cannot secure 270 electoral votes. Currently Obama leads in all 5.

Random;

And you have a Republican governor the same reason Maine has a republican governor.

You elect your governor during mid-term elections. He doesn't have to fight down-balloting. And republicans are more regular voters.

Corbett, 2010:2,160,828

Onorato, 2010: 1,801,279

Aka- Less than half your registered voters showed up at the polls that day.

If anything, shame on the PA Democratic Party. SHAME!

[That's why we have a Republican Governor.]

And the reason why PA's roads are turning to @!$%# right under your tires...you just wait another year or two under good 'Ol Repub Guv...your infrastructure is next to crumble...but hey...who needs clean water and toilets that flush right?

Winning is a mute point if we don't all go out and remember to vote.

Vote for women's freedom....vote Obama/Biden 2012

Don't know your local state's election laws, but we've had some really good luck in door-to-door registration drives.

500 in one medium-sized city (108,000 eligible voters; 52,000 registered voters) in one month.

Only canvassed Saturdays, and only for about 2 hours. Had them all register as Mail-Voters.

The people and votes are there.

Just need to 'sack up' and go get them.

teknishan,

Door to door registration drive, you actually walk up to a door and knock?

Door to door registration drive, you actually walk up to a door and knock?

Absolutely - one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had knocking on doors for then Senator Obama!

Met some of the nicest people imaginable!

Plan to be back out in the trenches shortly...

VirginiaDemocrat78

"You can vote if you want, but it won't make a difference."

Please don't think or act that way. Yes, Obama may win, but without a congress to support him it will do very little good. So voting and contributing stills makes a huge difference.

Even if Obama wins, and democrats get 51% of the house and 58% of the senate, his hands are still completely tied. So you DO need to get out and vote.

Republicans have for some reason decided to follow a policy of waging a war on women this cycle, which is going to cost them dozens of seats in congress and present a unique opportunity to democrats. So next year may actually be the first time we'll ever get to implement and try modern democratic policies. (Obama may be a bit of a centrist himself, but I don't think he'll veto democratic bills that originate from congress.)

We won't get this opportunity again any time soon (presumably Republics will learn in this election that you can't alienate half the electorate and keep your job, so they'll stop doing that), so we desperately need people to vote to take advantage of that THIS time. Don't assume it's a slam dunk. It may be at the presidential level, but that's not good enough with a philibustering senate.

any sitting President would have gone after bin Laden.

Any sitting President?? Not Bush. Bush said he didn't spend much time even thinking about Bin Laden.

And talk about excessive celebration, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"...what was that crap, he didn't accomplish a thing.

Any sitting President? Oh, Really? Military action against the soil of a sovereign country with nuclear weapons? Mmm. Think again dude. Takes balls to do that.

Pakistan was hiding the guy next to a military base. Obama knew this. It's conceivable if not dead-obvious that hiding Bin Laden was with full knowledge and support of Zardari and the rest of the Pakistani government.

Yet he still took action, playing the politics of the game perfectly, and gave Zardari a way out through plausible deniability that didn't force him politically to take counter action (which can be very dangerous if we got drawn into a war with Pakistan).

I can't help but think that Bush would have attacked but screwed up the politics afterwards, drawing us into a war, and that Romney would have flip flopped on strategy 3 times during the operation, and getting the entire seal team killed without actually getting any results.

Yeah, any sitting president, who just happened to have the intllligence fall into hi lap, who just happened to have a clue!

Yeah, they would have done that!

But, to actively search for a clue, to actively charge the FBI to look for clues, could be that Bush didn't want it found, eh? Especially because it allowed Halliburton to make more money!

Don't rewrite history with a bad opinion. Bush actively saught Bin Laden, gave the kill directive Clinton only wanted him captured. Obama used Bush's kill order for the raid. Read the article. Obama's decision, while not wrought with possible failure was an easy one to make, liberals may just have tougher times with desicions. Halliburton really? Few companies could handle housing, right now, right here. Don't forget Brown and Root was/is included. It was/is cost plus, the only way, go ahead and try to bid this there are zero finite answers. If you would prefer to talk about oil, you are wrong again, that is in Iraq, or is Osama now tied to Iraq. Afganistan nor Pakistan are oil nations.

Wow....... now let the verbal abuse of Right wing begin.

OK, the GOP, rwnj's just can't accept the fact that President Obama did something right. "W" went flying into an aircraft carrier with a banner that said "mission accomplished" several years and several THOUSAND US lives before it was accomplished, and the GOP cheered. President Obama does this right and the GOP can't even acknowledge that its a good thing. The GOP is just full of traitors.

It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person

Hey Right Wing - Thats right. However, The real success of this mission wasn't killing Bin-Laden, it was the intell gathered during the raid (ie: computers, files etc) that killed a whole lot more of them, and is still doing extreme damage to Al-Queda.

Short sighted Mittens, never saw that....

Obama/Biden - 2012

Millions and Millions of Americans would have made that no brainer call. Obama had everything to gain and nothing to lose. If OBL wasn't there they would have
just said "Hi ranking Al-Qaida raid" Obama put nothing on the line other than our bad ass troops but they do that every day. Fact is a million Americans would not have only made the call but insist on killing that POS themself. And that is a fact... Every Single male friend I have would have loved to blow Osama's brains out personally.

Nothing Heroic about the call but it is very cowardly not to give any credit to black
ops enhanced interrogation tactics that water boarded the ID of Osama's courier
from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Torture is what Obama publically called it I believe

As I recall, Jimmy Carter made a similar "no brainer" call and it cost him reelection when a very risky operation failed. The admiral who commanded the Seals himself gave credit to Obama for making a gutsy call. And, of course, all your fellow right wing wackos (your description, not mine) would be howling for his scalp if it had gone south. Since you would certainly blame him for failure, shouldn't you praise him for success? Or would you rather have us think you're a hypocrite?

right as rain

the decision was easy, the out come was expected. oh Obama was president at the time. Do you remember Carter did not attack Iran? Do You Remember the Shaw. Do you remember the sigh of relief when the hostages where released, dont forget that was the very next day that he left office. The only story here is that Obama made a decision, and it was a good one. Obama has a history of bad descions. Before Carter Iran was an ally.

RWW;

That might be what Willie thought was a credible answer, but it's just BS and you should know it.

Or do you just parrot the party line?

LMAO........ now thats funny!

Old joke.

LMAO good one.

Obama smiled and replied, "I think you're in my seat.

Old, old, old, old, very, very very okd joke. It dates back the FDR at least. Only the name change.

What is truly ironic is that all of the right wingers running for president claimed to have been hand-picked by God for the job, while the liberals are the ones trying to make sure we keep that wall between church and state. Who is the one with the Messiah complex? No Democratic candidate would get near the nomination with that story.

Amy, I served under Mr Carter. I can tell you he was the least trusted CIC of the 3 I served under. I was in Iran just before the hostage crisis, training Iranian sailors under a destroyer sale program(WW2 fram destroyers) we were running with the Shah. The Commander of the Med fleet warned SecNav that the mission would be dangerous. Mr Carter while a nice man, was until recently considered the worst president we have ever had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

Thanks for making me feel really old, Amy!

Think how old jollyoldsoul must be!

Now Carter isn't the worst president of the last 100 years.

That's true. The award goes to Bush. George W. Bush isn't just the worst president of the last 100 years, he is the worst president since Andrew Johnson and he left office in 1869. He's tied with Johnson as the worst of all times.

The devastation caused to our great country is the result of George W. Bush and his Republican Congress who brought us two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, a massive, unfunded, new entitlement, the largest expansion of government since LBJ, the largest increase in energy prices in any 8 year period in our history, along with a net loss of jobs over 8 years all while turning the largest surplus of all times into the largest deficit of all times and leaving office with the worst economy since the depressions.

The reality is no president since Kennedy had the keys to the White House turned over to him from the former president with the nation in BETTER shape than did George W. Bush and no president since FDR had the keys to the White House turned over to him from the former president with the nation in WORSE than did President Obama. It will take this nation a generation or longer to dig ourselves out of the economic disaster caused by George W. Bush and his Republican controlled Congress.

He's never been in the worst president category. G.W. Bush has that one hands down.

p.s. Amy.. Carter was after Ford. who was never elected but became Nixon's VP after his VP Agnew resigned in disgrace just like Nixon did...

The republicans have been trying to remove this stain for 40 years now and it just won't go away...

Most Americans agree, the worst president in modern history was George W. Bush.

According to a poll of 238 presidential scholars conducted by Siena College Research Institute President Obama ranks 15th best of 44. Bush ranks as 39th best with only Franklin Pierce, Warren G. Harding, James Buchanan, and Andrew Johnson getting a worse ranking. That would make Bush the worst in the last 100 years.

Here's the full list:

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt

2. Theodore Roosevelt

3. Abraham Lincoln

4. George Washington

5. Thomas Jefferson

6. James Madison

7. James Monroe

8. Woodrow Wilson

9. Harry Truman

10. Dwight D. Eisenhower

11. John F. Kennedy

12. James K. Polk

13. William Clinton

14. Andrew Jackson

15. Barack Obama

16. Lyndon B. Johnson

17. John Adams

18. Ronald Reagan

19. John Quincy Adams

20. Grover Cleveland

21. William McKinley

22. George H. W. Bush

23. Martin Van Buren

24. William Howard Taft

25. Chester Arthur

26. Ulysses S. Grant

27. James Garfield

28. Gerald Ford

29. Calvin Coolidge

30. Richard Nixon

31. Rutherford B. Hayes

32. James Carter

33. Zachary Taylor

34. Benjamin Harrison

35. William Henry Harrison

36. Herbert Hoover

37. John Tyler

38. Millard Fillmore

39. George W. Bush

40. Franklin Pierce

41. Warren G. Harding

42. James Buchanan

43. Andrew Johnson

When Carter was president, the Three Mile Island incident occurred. I only lived 7 miles away from TMI (still do). When the accident happened, Carter came over to TMI. What did he do? NOTHING. He came over and wasted everybody's time. Carter is and will always be the WORST president ever. Oh, you libs can try to make Reagan look bad, but you'll fail miserably. Reagan got America out of a recession that Carter started. That's why Reagan won the highest electoral vote in history for his 2nd term election.

Charlie--I was already depressed by Amy making me feel old and then you had to remind me of the Bush debacle.

Va Dem----a little surprising that Bush isn't last and also surprised that Nixon made it to 30.

Va Dem----a little surprising that Bush isn't last and also surprised that Nixon made it to 30.

With the exception of Watergate, Nixon was actually a very good President. I consider him the best POTUS the GOP has had in the last 60 years at least.

You hear the GOP touting 'Reagan this and Reagan that' but the truth is Reagan was terrible. The only reason they don't worship Nixon is because of Watergate, and that's all people think of when someone mentions his name.

Coming in behind Warren Harding on that list is quite an accomplishment.

Ruken.. I have to disagree with Nixon being the best... I'll give that one to President Eisenhower... He understood the sillyness of the Military Industrial Complex and warned us of them..Far better than "I am not a crook" Nixon..

Eisenhower was a very good president. For some reason, most good presidents were generals (Eisenhower, George Washington etc..)

Ah, Amy, you're confusing them with facts. Even if they were born before 1980, the majority don't know anything that occurred prior to today's Faux News "report". They have heard about the gas lines under Carter, but don't know they first occurred under Nixon. They have heard that Carter failed to reduce our dependency on Mid-East oil, but not that Reagan ended his energy independence strategy. They've heard that Reagan cut taxes and it was "morning in America again", but not that he raised taxes 11 times, or that he took the national debt from $651B to about $5T. At least he proved that deficits don't matter, as Cheney famously proclaimed. Well, they don't matter if you have a Republican administration...

Ramdom, before you talk about how Great Reagan was you need to read up on him and see what he did to you (unless your a 1%) and the middle class. You might want to not turn your back on him, if you know what I mean, lol,lol,lol. THE FOOLS, FOOL.

Bush Jr is clearly "THE WORST." The poor man could not even put a coherent sentance speech together. He could not debate unless he knew every question well ahead of time. NO PRESIDENT has been as illiterate as George Jr.

Barack Obama is fully credited with getting Bin Laden, AND, it seemed a bit easier than one would expect with excellent intelligence..... and a great plan of execution.

George Jr obviously considered it "too difficult" to pull ofF. What a wheenie George was. He lied to Americans with a war predicated on WMDs. He then sat in his "comfy chair" while brave American Soldiers DIED FOR A BUSH LIE.

Bush was a shameful president even though I saluted him "only because he was in the office at the time."

Amy President Carter actually followed Gerald Ford who was VP when Nixon resigned. Ford had replaced Spiro Agnew, Nixon's first VP, who was impeached and sent to prison.

President Carter along with Harry Truman were the most honorable presidents that have served in my lifetime. Carter would have had a second term if not for reagan's deal with Iran's revolutionary guard to hold the American hostages until after the election.

Couple of things people. Agnew was not impeached, he copped a plea deal with the courts and resigned. The first gas lines took place under Nixon, not Carter. Nixon could have been a great president but he had this unending need for revenge against his imaginary enemies. In the end -- that did him in.

My list of the top 5 Best

1. Lincoln

2. Washington

3. FDR

4. Truman

5. TR.

The 5 worst

1. George W. Bush*

2. George W. Bush*

3. George W. Bush*

4. George W. Bush*

5. Andrew Johnson

* -- Bush was SO BAD that one place isn't enough for him.

"You hear the GOP touting 'Reagan this and Reagan that"

Reagan couldn't win the nomination in today's Republican Party. He would be seen as a left wing radical. He thought a billionaire should pay at least the same tax rate as a bus driver. He actually TALKED to our adversaries -- not just threaten them. He increased taxes. He compromised with Democrats. None of that is acceptable by 21st century Republicans.

NEVER FORGET, Ronald Reagan called for a BLOODBATH of US Students on campus and in less than 60 days armed Ohio Nat. Guard troops cut down 4 INNOCENT kids !

Beruit Marine Barracks bombing- Reagan... "I take full responsibility for the deaths of 200 Marines...." funny, I don't recall RR going to jail on 204 counts of MURDER .

Huh?

Nice grammar, dobi.

dobi,dobi, shame, shame, on you.

dobi......... You are a full fledged traitor. President Obama is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF of the US Military.

Legally, he is as much a part of the US military as the Seal Team who carried out his order. YOU ARE CLUELESS.

Sorry, I was distracted and clicked the up arrow on the yokel's uninformed nonsense.

So you're saying Bush was to stupid to send in the seals but Obama was smart enough to do that? Go back to watching tv.

dobi

Huh?

Another jealous hater heard from.

Are you talking about Bin Laden? I hear he was a real ladies'man.

And the guy behind you in line has to pay for it.

Hey, Bo....your missing your calling. Run if they tell you Moroccan Presidents visiting. Dog is a favorite in Morocco.

Have you heard about the new Ryan/Romney happy meal? It is just an empty box due to the food budget was cut for children.

But, on the box is a picture of the millionaire who got the tax cut and the picture of where his new off-shore account now lives thanks to hungry children everywhere.

I heard Romney proclaim, "Let them eat cardboard!"

They will throw up banners that say "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" when all they accomplished was flushing this country down the toilet.

Bush and Cheney were not the only ones. Rudy Giuliani has made a career out of 9-11; lots of money and a presidential candidacy. As it has been noted, the phrase is part of every sentence that comes out of his mouth. The interesting part is that he got the opportunity to take the "leadership role" because he filled a vacuum. In a national tragedy, you would expect the President to take the front in rallying the country, but Bush was playing the deer in the headlights role and not up to the task for several days. Can you imagine the Mayor of Honolulu playing the Giuliani role after Pearl Harbor?

rofl........ hahahahaha geesus!

Bo -- you need to get some new material. Your jokes are OLD.

What do you do when you have nothing real to run against with our President?

You pull out old, old jokes and change the names to disrespect President Obama.

Wow you republicans sure are some thinkers. No wonder republicans took a surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit in our history in just 8 short years and my quess you thought they did a good job.

Vote for America...Vote Obama/Biden 2012

You don't get it do you.

JonSmith93903

They will throw up banners that say "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

That was their intention:

when all they accomplished was flushing this country down the toilet.

A Proctologist I presume!

jolly-all of your doctors are proctologists. You set yourself up.

Jolly makes his money outsourcing American auto jobs to Chinese factories. He's admitted it in previous posts. He's part of the problem, so his comments hold very little worth.

Steve---don't forget that Romney wants to further reduce taxes on the 1%--apparently a 14% effective tax rate isn't low enough.

Republican platform? LMAO ... it consists of 3 planks. 1) If you tell the same filthy lies often enough, eventually enough stupid people will start to believe them. 2) Women; keep them barefoot and pregnant. 3) I got mine, f**k everybody else.

Three planks are better than no planks. What are Obama's planks, divide the nation along racial lines?

Hopefully, all the ignorant republicans will all walk off one of those 3 planks.

They want absolutely no gun control, a select group of rich people and a small, powerless government...Somalia, they want to turn this country into Somalia, and people cheer them on...

Dasvet,

Sad that after all this time you haven't been paying much attention to what Obama is doing.

Planks:

healthcare

clean air, clean water

energy independence,

banking regulation,

to name but a few.

Why are conservatives the most ignorant people on earth?

Right Wing Foreign Policy, thats easy. Allow American business go down the tubes, ship the jobs overseas.

Exactly what Obama has done! America has absolutely no choice at all for someone to run this country. America has gone to hell the last 4 years and getting worst. Both the Democrats and Republicans are worthless.