Romney on bin Laden killing: 'Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order'

Asked on a rope line if he would have "gone after" Osama bin Laden, if he would have "given the order," presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney responded, "Of course, of course. Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order."

The former President Carter, of course, did undertake a risky hostage rescue attempt in Iran in 1980 that failed -- and cost Carter dearly politically. It sealed an image of a weak president. That coupled with a weak economy, ultimately led to Ronald Reagan's landslide victory.

If the bin Laden raid had failed in similar fashion, Republicans would have surely portrayed President Obama in the same way.

Romney and the GOP have tried to paint Obama as a Jimmy Carter caricature, anyway, weak and inept. Reports have indicated, however, that the call to undertake the raid was not with 100 percent certainty. Intelligence, White House officials said, was thought to be about 50-50 that bin Laden was in the compound.

"At the end of the day, the president assessed that it was a circumstantial case, and it was probably a 50-50 chance that Osama bin Laden was there," said Tom Donilon, National Security Adviser, last year following the raid.

Vice President Joe Biden has said he advised Obama against going through with the raid.

The Obama campaign has questioned whether Romney would have given the order. In a video released Friday, a graphic asks, "Which path would Mitt Romney have taken?” the ad asks. It highlights this Romney quote: “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”

Obama campaign adviser Robert Gibbs defended the video on Meet the Press on Sunday, saying, "I don’t think it’s clear that he would" have ordered the raid.

Ed Gillespie, an adviser to the Romney campaign and former Bush adviser, though, said: “This is one of the reasons President Obama has become one of the most divisive presidents in American history. He took something that was a unifying event … and he’s managed to turn it into a divisive, partisan, political attack. … I think most Americans will see it as a sign of a desperate campaign.”

The Obama campaign posted a video called, "Forward," that highlights his record in the past three years, including again touting the killing of bin Laden. The video will be played ahead of the president's first "official" campaign events -- in Virginia and Ohio.

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Comment author avatarBackhouseRestored

Romney,

Go back to taking thouands of folks jobs and decimating US communities - to line your $57,000 per day one-trick-pony pockets.

The Bin Laden mission could have failed. Obama took the risk. He saw a chance to free the world of the biggest terrorist leader in the world.

Obama, in his debates with McCain in 2008, repeated many times that the main mission was Bin Laden. Senator Obama said definitively he would go into Pakistan and just DO IT - if Pakistan would not.

And he did it.

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#1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:33 PM EDT

The problem for Willard is he has surrounded himself with advisors who do not know Russia & Czechoslavakia were broken up almost 20 years ago!

How the hell would he know where Osama bin Laden was?

From Willard's senior foreign policy advisor;

PROSPER: The United States has become a spectator on issues of national security. We’ve also been embarrassed by North Korea where again it continues to be a conciliatory leaning forward approach and yet the North Koreans will launch a missile surprising the United States by violating their agreement.

You know Russia is another example where we give and Russia gets and we get nothing in return. The United States abandoned its missile defense sites in Poland and Czechoslovakia, yet Russia does nothing but obstruct us, or efforts in Iran and Syria.

Aside from the fact that “Czechoslovakia” broke up into the Czech Republic and Slovakia nearly 20 years ago, the Obama administration never “abandoned” missile defense sites because they were never there to begin with. Back in 2009, Obama decided to replace plans for a missile defense system in Eastern Europe and, as one expert noted at the time, “replac[e] it with a more technologically-promising” one.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/04/26/471692/romney-adviser-czechoslovakia/

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#1.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:35 PM EDT
Comment author avatarJoe in AlbanyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

"Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order"

______________________________________________

OUCH!!!!

That's gotta hurt if you are Barry Obama.

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#1.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:37 PM EDT

Why not go back even further than President Carter?

Let's debate famous Vikings or Roman leaders & whether they would have done it.

Let's beam them ALL up and get down to some realistic & truly relevant interviews.

  • 33 votes
#1.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:40 PM EDT

“It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”

Willard doesn't support the Bush Doctrine!....Oh Oh!

  • 38 votes
#1.4 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

Joe in Albany

"Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order"

______________________________________________

OUCH!!!!

That's gotta hurt if you are Barry Obama.

Jimmy Carter would have given the order, because he was a man of principle. Romney would NOT have given the order because he wouldn't want to take the chance of becoming the "Republican Jimmy Carter" if the raid failed and American troops died. If Romney gave anorder at all (assuming Bin Laden was found by accident since nobody would have actively been looking for him in a Romney administration) he would have ordered an air strike to take out Bin Laden's compound because it was the safe thing to do.

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#1.5 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

The problem for Willard is he has surrounded himself with advisors who do not know Russia & Czechoslavakia were broken up almost 20 years ago!

Feisty -

Yeh, with advisors like that, he probably would've killed Putin by mistake.

  • 39 votes
#1.6 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:44 PM EDT

Backhouse, you forgot to mention that he was lining the pockets of the union pension plans that were the investors in Bain that bought all of these companies. Dont forget to mention how much money, Bain made for their union pension investors ok? I assume you wouldnt have wanted him to lose money for the union would you? Didnt you want him to invest their money to make sure it made an adequate return for the union?

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:49 PM EDT

Romney is flailing about these days. He would at least "look" Presidential if he gave President Obama credit, then moved on. But, that would take intelligence, integrity and a spine - all of which Romney lacks. His whining makes him look exactly as he is - weak and stumbling around, trying to find his strategy.

Kirk, he made the most money for the top investors. The middle class workers and poor were left with nothing - no jobs, no buyouts, no nothing. He decimated company after company without regard to the human beings involved. He cares nothing for people, and will do whatever it takes to line his pockets - the workers be damned.

  • 51 votes
#1.8 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:54 PM EDT

Some consultant has advised Romney to keep trying to stick Obama with a Carter tag. But everytime he does it,he just reminds people of how robust Obama has been in his foreign policy strategy while choosing diplomacy whenever possible.

  • 43 votes
#1.9 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:54 PM EDT

Houston - you pegged it right!

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#1.10 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:56 PM EDT

Kirk-2957282

Backhouse, you forgot to mention that he was lining the pockets of the union pension plans that were the investors in Bain that bought all of these companies.

Huh? Aside from the fact that you're spouting incoherent nonsense, Bain has nothing to do with the subject of Bin Laden.

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#1.11 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

Seeking Sanity--thats just not true. Do you know how private equity works? The top investors you are talking about are union pension plans. Private equity firms get their money from institutions across the world the most significant of which are union pensions and college endowments. Bain then takes that money and invests it for the benefit of these investors. They make money when their investors make money besides the fees which generally pays for their overhead. The companies they invest in differ depending on the investment criteria set up when they raised the money. Bain invested in troubled companies that had high risk and high reward returns. I understand that you assume anyone who is wealthy or successful doesnt care about the middle class but Romney is no different than Buffett. Buffett buys companies and attempts to make them profitable and many times people lose their jobs in order to save jobs for others and yes Buffett makes a lot of money in the meantime. That doesnt mean they dont care about workers etc. Making stuff up to fit your presumptions to rationalize voting for Obama is silly.

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#1.12 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:01 PM EDT

Houston, did you not read Backhouse's first post? He made up some comment about decimating jobs etc to line his pockets, I guess neither you nor Backhouse understand that the investors in Bain whose money Romney used to buy these companies was union pension money right? See how lack of knowledge sometimes makes partisan rants seem like you are Mel Gibson's character in the movie Conspiracy?

  • 7 votes
#1.13 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:04 PM EDT

Romney, he's a LIAR. He wouldn't have gone after Bin Laden any more than Georgie Bush did. Talks cheap, but action is what gets you the prize.

Thank you President Obama for having the guts and courage to put your Presidency on the line for the "People" of the United States.

And Romney, go wash out your lying mouth with soap.

Obama in 2012.

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#1.14 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:08 PM EDT

Kirk - your condescending attitude is getting old fast. "Do you know how private equity works?" Yes I do and what you are saying is not true. The workers benefited very little. The top investors and individuals benefited the most. I don't dislike wealthy people - I date one and I do okay myself. But he and I earned our money - not at the expense of others. That is the difference. Romney has never cared about the people he hurts - just about how much it is going to make him. He has no conscience and it shows. His only reason to be President is not to help this country - it's to best his late father. He is pathetic beyond belief and his constant stammering about every position he needs to take says it all about him.

At what point do you stop apologizing for this inept excuse for a candidate? Do you not think the people of this country deserve better?

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#1.15 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

The problem for Willard is he has surrounded himself with advisors who do not know Russia & Czechoslavakia were broken up almost 20 years ago!

HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

What an IDIOT!

REALLY? Russia was broken up 20 years ago? REALLY? Maybe you should tell Alexander Putin!

The Soviet Union (Soviet Socialist Republic)) was broken up 20 years ago (thank you President Reagan!) but the country of RUSSIA still exists you dimwit!

(BTW... the Czech Republic still exists as well!)

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

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#1.16 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

Yikes Kirk....

You should check with the 750 folks, who lost their jobs, from Worldwide Grinding Systems, formerly in Kansas City.

Bain came in, bankrupted the Company, raided their pension fund and left with millions!

The Federal Insurance Agency came in to save those folks pension!

Yup, that Vulture Capitalism is just great...

  • 29 votes
#1.17 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:25 PM EDT

Let me guess….Obama got Bin Laden right?

Admit it, FR wasn’t having technical difficulties this morning. It just took you that long to figure how to meet the White House mandate that every article mention Obama and Bin Laden without making it look obvious. Must be disheartening to be wasting your “Journolist” degrees working at MSDNC.

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:27 PM EDT

Sick of the Bickering - Regan gets the credit for the breakup of the Soviet Union? You are joking right? He deserves credit just like Mayor Daley does - they both were in office during that time and that's all either of them had to do with the breakup. Stupidity runs amok this morning!

  • 26 votes
#1.19 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:30 PM EDT

California Tom

Romney, he's a LIAR. He wouldn't have gone after Bin Laden any more than Georgie Bush did. Talks cheap, but action is what gets you the prize.

Thank you President Obama for having the guts and courage to put your Presidency on the line for the "People" of the United States.

Actually, Tom... Obama did the only thing he COULD do to protect his presidency (as pathetic as it is).

Think about it... If he said no to the mission and it ever got out that he could have gotten Bin Laden and didn't, he would be chased out of the country!

By saying yes he only risked the lives of a few good men who actually love this country... and he'd paint the loss as if he were trying to protect us all... really a no-brainer for Obama... which is good since that's all he can handle!

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

  • 8 votes
#1.20 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:35 PM EDT

SeekingSanity

Sick of the Bickering - Regan gets the credit for the breakup of the Soviet Union? You are joking right? He deserves credit just like Mayor Daley does - they both were in office during that time and that's all either of them had to do with the breakup. Stupidity runs amok this morning!

Well Mr. Knowitall... who would you give credit to? Ford, Nixon, Kennedy?

Let me guess... you think Jimmy Carter deserves the credit! HAHAHAHA!

You are right about one thing, STUPIDITY DOES RUN AMOK THIS MORNING!

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#1.21 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:40 PM EDT

Sick - you clearly are sick. Why is it Bush stopped trying to get Osama? Why is it McCain said it wasn't necessary? Why is it the GOP doesn't have a clue? Why is it they were for getting Osama before they were against it?

Why is it the GOP is no longer a party anyone can be proud of? Why is it the GOP has sunk so low that all you can do is take pot shots at our President instead of sing the praises of your candidate? Why is it you have an irrelevant person running for the great office of President and he still doesn't know what he is doing?

Why is it you look totally stupid attacking our President? Oh that's right - it's all you have!

Obama/Biden 2012

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#1.22 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:42 PM EDT

We'll see how 'irrelevant' he is in November!

As for the rest of your childish rants... if you REALLY believe that Bush 'stopped trying to get Osama' then you have done all I needed you to do to prove just how stupid you really are.

Thanks for the entertainment but now it's time for you to go back to sucking the teet of Pres. Yomama and then take a nap.

BTW... I am finished with you so feel free to have the last word. I know it's all that really matters to a child like you!

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

  • 7 votes
#1.23 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:52 PM EDT

Romney is a total wuss ..this isn't " playing Army"..Mitts hair would get messed up and his Prada shoes and suit would get dirty .

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#1.24 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

Sick - you're truly disgusting and totally in denial. The GOP has no candidate and no longer has any pride. How embarrassing to be associated with that party.

I see when you have no answers I become a "child." No matter, we all know ya got nothing!

And darlin, just an FYI - you were finished before you started!

Obama/Biden 2012

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#1.25 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:59 PM EDT

Seeking Sanity--you clearly dont understand how private equity works and I am in the business as I told you before. Actually funded by one of your heros at one point. I guess my condescending attitude will change when you stop campaigning and open your mind past the ridiculous notion that the GOP is evil and the democrats are good. If you were the least bit objective and said they were both evil then I could give you some basic understanding.

As I tried to tell you--your "top investors" really means all of their investors in their funds which I told you are union pension plans. That is what you conveniently ignore. Individuals always make lots of money when they are successful so no surprise there. Bain employees including Romney made money when Bain's investors ie union pension plans made money. So yes he made money when they did. Again do you think Buffett is a bad guy? What about Gates? What about Steve Jobs? They made money at the expense of others. Do you know how many small businesses they drove out of business and went bankrupt? When you can discuss Romney with more objectivity then I will stop the condescending attitude because you just say silly emotional conclusions with no real understanding of what you are saying.

Chilled, that always happens when someone risks their money to save a failing business. So if the government bailout and investment in GM didnt work and all of those people lost their jobs does that mean the attempt to save it was wrong? Dont you realize that the government was acting in the capactiy of private equity when it invested in GM. You do realize that TPG another private equity firm is trying to buy American Airlines out of bankruptcy. If they succeed but American eventually goes under and all of those people lose their jobs, was TPG a bad actor and the employees who work at TPG who are the equivalent of Romney horrible people? These investments are so inherently risky that there are two that fail for everyone that works. Instead of vilifying Romney just because he is GOP why not do some research and learn and dont trust everything Thinkprogress or people like Fiesty tell you. If you want to vote for Obama because you agree with his tax policy that is what the debate should be about but not making up crap about the candidates. You guys sound as bad as the birthers

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#1.26 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

Kirk - I don't read your posts through because of the condescending attitude. You're not all that and your posts are blatant attempts to pat yourself on the back due to your "knowledge" which quite a few of us have, by the way.

If you stop talking down to people, I'll read your posts. Otherwise they're just you ranting and raving about things you slant to your buddy Romney's benefit. And, it's just not true.

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 11 votes
#1.27 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

The truly pathetic thing about Mr. Romney's response is that he once again demonstrated the deeply ingrained mean streak in his nature. He has had "negative" on full volume for more than two years, now, and eventually even Republicans are going to begin to tire of it. All that 'negativity-all-the-time' leads to is people not caring to listen to you any more, and tune you out.

And to diminish the character of a man like former President Carter, who is quite frankly 10-times the man that Mr. Romney will EVER be, ... is beyond pathetic.

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#1.28 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

Kirk - Aren't you the same "kirk" that insisted that the Cayman Islands were off the coast of Great Britain (you knew 'cause you've been there) and swore up and down that Mitsy paid taxes on his Cayman accounts even though you admitted that you had never seen his tax return? It would seem that your credibility is nil, "kirk".

No mention of bin Laden, eh, "kirk"? Although you probably think Pakistan is off the coast of Argentina ('cause you've been there, too!), even someone of your limited scope of knowledge has to admit that Romney would have lacked the manhood to actually go after bin Laden. Your buddy BushII couldn't manage, either.

We should all be thankful that the American majority wisely elected a real man to office that could get the job done.

  • 11 votes
#1.29 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:34 PM EDT

Robert in Oregon - Republicans are already beginning to tire of his attitude. The voter turnouts for the primary were dismal and will probably be worse for the general election.

You're right about Carter. Like him as a President or not he is 100 times the human being Romney has the ability to be.

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#1.30 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

Seeking Sanity--How do you pat yourself on an anonymous back? I dont have any visions of trying to change your mind of voting for Obama nor are you going to change mine--but why not engage in intellectual debate? Calling people names and signing off with Obama/Biden just makes you a campaigner for no real benefit. Romney isnt my buddy nor do I have any passion for the GOP. I have no doubt you have knowledge and experience and I am not attempting to question it as much as fill in the blanks. Your response that you are not reading it is so hollow and is like the person who gets picked last on the playground and says I am taking my ball and going home. So I was right on this issue and you were wrong--so what, you can prove me wrong the next time.

So start at the beginning. Did you realize that Bain was investing union pension money and they were what you called "top investors"? You clearly made other assumptions about private equity but failed to tell me why Romney is worse than Buffett, Gates or Jobs? If you have knowledge in this area, I am sure you can explain it for me. Otherwise your response is basically, because I cant intellectually provide you a substantive response then I will ignore. You notice that Backhouse and Houston did the same thing? They flame throw and when proven wrong or provided an inconvenient fact, they disappear.

  • 2 votes
#1.31 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

Again Kirk - with the condescending attitude. You remind me of Alex Castellanos - if you can't make a point talk down to the "little girl." You didn't make your point - you didn't win and now you're just aggravating. I refuse to discuss anything with someone who starts out as a pompous know-it-all -even when they don't. Start with a different attitude and I'll be happy to discuss facts - not your slant.

Obama/Biden

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#1.32 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:51 PM EDT

Kirk, what are we all to make of an anonymous know-it-all who maintains he is in the private equity business, is condescendingly expert in all things and all subjects in these MSN discussion threads, ... and yet has seemingly endless hours to spend just commenting, deriding and insulting others on-line (rather than presumably ...actually working ...in private equity)?

I'm just sayin'

  • 9 votes
#1.33 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:51 PM EDT

Shock and disgusted--no and you clearly have reading comprehension issues. I told you the Caymans have banking laws like the isle of Jersey and Man which are off the coast of Great Britain. Yes, and if you had read previous blogs, even the lefties are backing off the offshore tax avoidance issue because upon doing some research they discovered lo and behold you cant avoid tax because you put cash in an offshore account. Shock--you just again proved your ignorance and you should go and do some research again. Do you think that the German business man avoids tax because he has a deposit here in the US at the local Chase branch? Sometimes the lunacy of the left is beyond funny. There are progressives on here (like David) who always question the IQ of people voting for a GOP candidate but when the left makes such clueless comments like yours Shocked it really comes back to bite you guys. Why is it so hard to campaign for your man on the issues rather than make stuff up? If Obama is so wonderful and has achieved such great success, why not just passionately explain that? Campaign on his success rather than lie and make stuff up about the other candidate, you dont need to do that if Obama is so great because it speaks for itself right?

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#1.34 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

@SeekingSanity, I wish you Godspeed in your search for sanity.

(I do agree with all regarding no need to name Mr. Carter in particular.)

@Seeking: Not sure which Republicans you are talking to or how many, but I haven't heard anyone tired of Mr. Romney. Even a few Democrats I know are getting fatigued with Mr. Obama's fanning the flames of racism and angst.

That "Search" campaign video will be interesting in VA & OH....perhaps more like, "FORWARD, HALT !"

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#1.35 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

tempusfugit1 - seeking sanity in the GOP but you and others prove over and over again there is none to be found.

The ignorance of blaming President Obama for racism would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. And, I know several former Republicans who frankly have tired of the entire party. They know it is no longer a Grand Old Party but a tired and embarrassing shadow of what it used to be. Most have re-registered as Independents. Some have become Democrats but all are sad at the demise of a once great party.

When you wise up you'll see the shambles the GOP has become.

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#1.36 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:57 PM EDT

Robert--I dont know you tell me what you are to make of my comments. If you notice, I dont really comment on anything but economic issues and usually in response to someone else. If you think I am wrong, then critically debate me and tell me where. I never deride or insult others although I will admit to having strong opinions but show me where I have personally attacked anyone like Seeking Sanity or David or anyone else attacks me? Lets go back to this post, I responded to Backhouse making blatently false opinion based conclusions. I get immediately attacked by Houston and Seeking Sanity who use their post to deride and make all kinds of opinion based flames towards Romney but none with facts or real substance in them. I respond and ask if they knew that Romney was making money for his investors which are union pension plans--so far not one of these posters have replied and now I am condescending and a bad person because I call them out on their factual claims? If they think I am wrong, have someone step up and tell me why I am wrong? No one has right Robert so how am I the bad guy?

As for being in private equity and having time to post on here. That is the best question I have been asked and unfortunately I am in the less lucrative side of my business at the moment. I am backed by private equity to make real estate investments--the market has not been good except in multi family which we dont do. Its been incredibly slow at the moment and it comes and goes. Thats why I tend to disappear for weeks and then come back and have time to post. But its a great question and honestly I wish I didnt have anytime to post on here because then I would be making more money.

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#1.37 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

Seeking Sanity--I could care less if you are a woman. Love how you the minute you start losing the debate, you need to throw sexism into the equation. So I am a pompous know it all because I happen to be able to correct the flames and incorrect conclusions you make about Romney? Cant your man stand on his own two feet without tearing Romney down with lies? You still havent explained to me the difference between Romney making money and other successful businessmen? Just because Obama has never worked in a market based job that would allow him to understand the basics of business or economics doesnt mean that people who are successful at it are evil.

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#1.38 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

Romney isn't quite correct. I have read that Bill Clinton had 3 chances to get him, and on one refused to talk to someone trying to get to him for permission, that he was watching a golf tournement. So I agree with him except for that.

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#1.39 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:15 PM EDT

ST6 did it. And they deserve any acclaim whatsoever. They just ff-ing did it. Although there is still a however because of the Zawahiri assumption, I think the POTUS called it rightly. Zawahiri is never ever to become a BinLaden ever. The Seals have performed accordingly. Veryveryveryvery well. Zawahiri will never see daylight ever again. Poor sod. Shouldnt have messed with the USA in the first place.

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#1.40 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

Why is it the GOP is no longer a party anyone can be proud of? Why is it the GOP has sunk so low that all you can do is take pot shots at our President instead of sing the praises of your candidate? Why is it you have an irrelevant person running for the great office of President and he still doesn't know what he is doing?

The only reason this became an "issue" is because Obama put out an ad praising his accomplishment. If he had left it at just that, it would've been fine...kind of douchey to self aggrandize for something that united us (Osama getting what he deserved), but fine. When he went after Romney, he politicized it and attempted to benefit. Are you really proud of Obama doing this? What would you have said if it had been Bush or some other conservative that had done the same commercial? I get the feeling you would have been "outraged".

    #1.41 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:19 PM EDT

    rhondamom - Bush did it every chance he got. And, you and I both know, had the Republicans gotten bin Laden they would still be playing it up. It is douchey to put President Obama down because the GOP has nothing, zilch, nada, zero to offer!

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    #1.42 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:23 PM EDT

    Feisy - And you'd think that Hussein Obama would have known there are 50 states in the United States rather than 57.

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    #1.43 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:28 PM EDT

    Oh my god, SeekingSanity, it is Obama who has nothing to offer....except this one no-brainer decision he made. That's why all of you libs are defending it so adamantly....and lamely, I might add. He has no other accomplishments to run on!

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    #1.44 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

    Seeking Sanity--see I can agree with you. I think we should be praising Obama for getting Osama and any GOP who cant say that is wrong so I think Obama should trump one of his few successes. Clearly he doesnt run any ads campaigning on any economic success so he needs to provide the few he has and killing Osama is clearly one. His mistake was allowing the ad to try and critique Romney which just took away from his success and made the issue more about whether he should have taken credit for it. You could have left your last sentence off that the GOP has zilch to offer as I am not sure why you try so hard to campaign on here. Seriously do you really think you change any votes? So why are you campaigning?

      #1.45 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

      Well, kirk....you can certainly try to blame me for your ignorance of basic geography...You know what you typed and you ran away when confronted with it. You can not blame me, however,for inability to deflect with any subtlety. I believe the topic of conversation is Mittsy's lack of manhood...we've already covered your amazing psychic insights into how Mittsy handles his money (don't quit your day job...unless it has anything to do with finance...)

      I guess it's a compliment to say that you are really bad at doing something bad.

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      #1.46 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

      Shocked--again with the insults and deflection. So far you havent confronted me with a single fact or reply that proves me wrong. I dont need psychic ability to know how Mitt handles his money, I just know the law. So far no one has accused Romney of commiting a crime but I guess you are. You are as bad as the birther idiots. I love how everyone comes out of the woodwork to accuse me of idiocy and incompetence for pointing out Backhouse's or Seeking Sanity's factual inaccuracies and use personal attacks and insults instead of any critical thought or support.

      You keep harping on geography crap that doesnt exist. Find it and post it if you think I said something you find funny geographically. If you think I am incompetent for knowing the tax law well enough to know that having a foreign bank account is hiding money tax free from the IRS, wow I hate to see who you hire to do your taxes.

        #1.47 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

        Well, you can blame me for deflecting and being insulting if that makes you feel better about yourself. It was at least a month ago that you stated that the Caymans were off the coast of Great Britain and that you knew how Romney handled his money without having a clue as to how Romney handles his money...and I can't even remember the article we were posting on. You know what you wrote and if you have to hide from it, well...that's between you and your therapist. You will understand why I question every word you tare typing today if you can not man up to the words you've typed in the past. I hope you're not a christian man - bearing false witness is a big no-no, you know.

        I'm not surprised that someone deceitful would post on here in defense of Romney. Seems your kind have nominated the man that reflects your morality perfectly.

        • 2 votes
        #1.48 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:20 PM EDT

        Romney just shows how ugly he is again. What disrespect towards a former President who made a decision to try and save American citizens held hostage in Iran. The mission failed and American service men died. Now Romney thinks it's appropriate to make a punch line about! Romney is the biggest a$$hole waffler and could never be trusted to make a decisive call with our troops in harms way. God help the nation if a phoney like Romney ever gets elected!!!!!

        • 7 votes
        #1.49 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:16 PM EDT

        "Even Carter would have given that order..." Okay, then why, when U.S. Special Forces had OBL pinned down in Tora Bora, did W give the order to "Stand Down" not the order to "KILL"? In fact, Clinton had hard evidence as to where OBL was right after the USS Cole bombing, and waited to launch missles (because he was afraid there might be children there). March 2002, (6 months 2 days after 9/11) Bush admitted that he didn't care where OBL was. In 2006, Bush disbanded the CIA taskforce whose sole purpose was to find OBL. In 2009, Obama re-instated that taskforce.

        But hey, anyone would have given that order (except the last two people in the position to actually do so).

        • 5 votes
        #1.50 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:00 PM EDT

        Can Romney say anything without being disrespectful, offensive, or snooty -- and in this case all of those things plus ignorant? We can't have a POTUS going around the world pissing everyone off.

        That comment was NOT presidential for sure.

        • 4 votes
        #1.51 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:45 AM EDT

        Jimmy Carter is a graduate of the Naval Academy. Why is Romney bashing those that served?

        Have another toke, Mitt, and enjoy that flower power.

        • 2 votes
        #1.52 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:23 PM EDT

        Blah blah blah. Let's talk salient points:

        1. Mitt (in 2007) stated in a debate that it would be wrong to violate any country's sovereign airspace to take out an enemy. And he stated that Pakistan is one of our best allies - and he would never violate the airspace of an ally.

        2. Mitt now says that he would have done the same a Obama - violate the airspace of this same 'ally'.

        So which Mitt do we believe? The 2007 Mitt who said that Obama was 'rash and irresponsible' for proposing this? Or the 2012 Mitt who said that every President would do this?

        Do I hear that republican phrase "flip-flop" (or does that term only apply to democrats)? Or was this just another etch-a-sketch moment?

        • 2 votes
        #1.53 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:36 PM EDT

        Interested observer - Presidents should not tell people their policies would be to violate anothers air space. But, if it means the success of a mission, they just might have to.

        Think about it this way. If you were president would you be stupid enough to admit that your country has CIA agents active in another country?

          #1.54 - Wed May 2, 2012 9:54 AM EDT

          Jdills

          Forces had OBL pinned down in Tora Bora, did W give the order to "Stand Down" not the order to "KILL"?

          WRONG! There was no order to stand down!

          Tora Bora is on the Afghanistan-Pakistan Border. Bin Laden sent his body guard in a group as a decoy that the US captured while Bin Laden and others retreated into a previously unknown cave entrance (per eye witness a tall man NOW believed to be Bin Laden was seen). Tora Borah is full of caves and passages that cross the border. To capture Bin Laden would have required both a major air and land crossing to find and close off any exits.

          What was in place was policy to not violate Pakistani border whether by land or air. Pakistan was looking the other way on some isolated drone attacks, but this would have been a major violation of their sovereignty and clearly a violation of international.

            #1.55 - Wed May 2, 2012 10:14 AM EDT

            SeekingSanity Sick of the Bickering - Regan gets the credit for the breakup of the Soviet Union? You are joking right? He deserves credit just like Mayor Daley does - they both were in office during that time and that's all either of them had to do with the breakup. Stupidity runs amok this morning!

            Quite wrong. Reagan lead a vast surge of military spending and the Soviets just couldn't keep up, he literally drove them to bankruptcy. ( and started a new rise in US deficit spending btw)

            And in Carter's defense, his biggest failure was to free the embassy hostages in Iran, entirely not his fault but a failure of military execution of the operation.

              #1.56 - Wed May 2, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

              One slight problem, the truth is there was no order, Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years, as admitted by Bhutto in her 2007 interview only a few days before a failed attempted assasination, then a successful one a month later...

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKDYZfEbEow

              The Pentagon admitted they have no proof of the supposed raid on Bin Laden's compound, and of course, we can't even ask the seals that "participated", since they mysteriously dies in a helicopter crash...

              http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323364

                #1.57 - Wed May 2, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

                All of you are so U.S. centered that you ignore history. The reason the USSR fell apart was because power was taken away from the Central Committee. It was pointed out that the Constitution did not allow the involvement in so many affairs that had been coopted. The reason the USSR fell apart was because GORBACHEV single handed disassembled the governing mechanism.Too bad that our schools will never teach our kids about political manipulation in other countries. It was almost as if Gorbachev was our mole in their system.

                  #1.58 - Wed May 2, 2012 4:33 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  Jimmy Carter did give this order once on a mission that was more complex than this. He then had to make the decision to bring the Boys home when it didn't go as well as expected. Then you'll crucified him and St Ronnie of Raygun sold out the hostages and used that sellout to get the Presidency. The rest is as they say history and we are still feeling the effects of it.

                  • 64 votes
                  #2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:38 PM EDT

                  Carter did take the risk and he paid for it politically when it failed.

                  Obama took that risk and he is the beneficiary since it succeeded.

                  But Romney would never have taken the political risk in the first place.

                  • 60 votes
                  #2.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

                  Surprise, surprise, spineless Romney using a national tragedy to throw Jimmy Carter under the bus.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

                  • 41 votes
                  #2.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:02 PM EDT

                  Daum RedNecks Telling the Truth, "What A Snob" (as Clara would say, Snark meter turned off Now)!

                  Americas Carnival Barkers (formerly known as the MSM) were AFRAID of the previous Administration on what was Reportable to American Citizens. Transparency Now rules the Day!

                  As for Sen Mccain, America remembers your Decision making & thought it was more than a Bubble Off.

                  As for Ed (pinochio) Gillespie & Sen. McCain, America remembers that Fateful day fullwell & the aftermath with President Bushes answer to the American Citizen "Go Shopping" & pay no NeverMind to what is about to happen.

                  President Bush stated "Your either With Us or Against Us", so there was Ed Gillespies knowledge of exactly Who started the Deviceiness! Colored Terror Alerts instigated at the times to get the Most Milage out of'em(Politically), & lets Not Forget "DuckTape & Plastic"!

                  Sen. McCain, America wanted to forget(not remember) that Fatefull day of 911, & The Killing of the Perpetrator"Osama Bin Laden", does that "Mission Accomplished,Thank You President Obama! So McCain, just STFU, America has had Enough of You, sadly Arizona has'nt!

                  You Betcha!

                  Occupy SoggyBottom!

                  • 26 votes
                  #2.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:22 PM EDT

                  Daum RedNecks Telling the Truth, "What A Snob" (as Clara would say, Snark meter turned off Now)!.............I can do no less and still stand up with the Truthteller from KY.

                  • 12 votes
                  #2.4 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:37 PM EDT

                  Romney spent the Vietnam War years trying to win converts in Paris, France.

                  Jimmy Carter served in a Navy submarine. Romney has no business ridiculing former President Carter.

                  • 56 votes
                  #2.5 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:39 PM EDT

                  You said it, IR. Then Ronald Reagan sold arms to Iran via Israel for the Contras thus arming the very enemy that cost Carter the election.

                  Sorry, Mr. Mittens, but that dog won't hunt. Here's why Willard is trying to drag Jimmy Carter into it again, "it's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person." Mitt Romney will not take a single position that isn't politically poll tested, why would anyone think he would take the risk that President Obama took one year ago? Romney is weak and a coward; for Mitt, it's all about being President but not making the tough decisions Presidents must make. What risks has Romney taken? Romney is the epitome of doing only what is politically safe.

                  Jimmy Carter is ten times the man Mitt Romney is. Look at what Carter has done with his life since he left office; the good he has done fighting poverty and disease. Mitt only complains about being "unemployed".

                  • 49 votes
                  #2.6 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:46 PM EDT

                  Romney would be worst than W. Bush, who currently hold the title as the worst U.S President in history. Thank God that we won't let Willard have the chance.

                  • 43 votes
                  #2.7 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:02 PM EDT

                  Jimmy Carter sends troops in a covert mission to free the hostages. Mission fails. Public upset. Reagan gets elected. On inauguration day, Iran frees hostages. Next time we hear about Iran, it's because Reagan is secretly selling them weapons.

                  Quid pro quo, anyone? It would not be the first time a republican candidate has secretly negotiated with a foreign enemy to subvert a democratic presidency. Kissinger negotiated with the Vietnamese to reject the Paris accords to end the Vietnam war in attempt to give the presidency to Nixon. Nixon won, the war raged on, 20,000 more US troops died, and then we signed the exact same accord that was on the table in Paris.

                  This is what republicans are willing to do for power. Any reason to think they've changed?

                  • 44 votes
                  #2.8 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:55 PM EDT

                  Romney unemployed and earning 57k a day......I'd love those unemployment benefits.....and just think....his never ends....unlike unemployment....and by the way...has Romney ever said whether he supports the Lily Ledbetter act....or is he still waiting to get back to us....

                  If Romney were forced to make a decision...he'd waffle for days.......

                  GNOP - "THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

                  • 26 votes
                  #2.9 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

                  Willard obviously doesn't understand that the killing of bin Laden is a part of the President's record. He DID give the order and it worked. He should get full credit. Willard's cheap shot is just that. When your opponent does something good-diminish it. When he does something bad-villify him.

                  The American people are smart enough to see that even when Obama does something that the republicans say that they want, he is still wrong.

                  The reality is that Obama's record is a good one, and they know it.

                  • 26 votes
                  #2.10 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:50 PM EDT

                  Although Obama isnt as liberal as I want him to be, he surely serves the USA rightly so. Very much better than shrub ever would have realized.

                  • 24 votes
                  #2.11 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:20 PM EDT

                  Romney has no policies of his own all he talks about is Obama being a failure. THis was Kerry's mistake in 2004 and it will be the demise of the Thurstan Howell 3rd presidential run.

                  • 15 votes
                  #2.12 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

                  Jimmy Carter is a good man who had some bad luck as President. And he may have given that order, but George W. Bush wouldn't have. When he had the opportunity to do so, he said it wasn't a priority and decided to start a war with Iraq instead.

                  • 20 votes
                  #2.13 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:27 PM EDT

                  This is coming from a man who did not seek a second term as govenor because his poll numbers were bad.

                  • 13 votes
                  #2.14 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:30 PM EDT

                  well stated Va.redneck,the republicans want to forget Iran/Contra.to the tea-party faithful having Mitt credit Jimmy Carter with this action just shows out of touch he is on not only common economic issues,but with Commander in Chief responsibilities[clueless}President Carter has more integrity in his little toe than the entire republican Leadership when it comes to protecting the American people. GWB may not have knowingly allowed 9/11/01 but his not being prepared for the office of President sure gave the Terrorist an opportunity that they accepted.It is shameful for the rewrite of President Obama's correct decision to take out OBL, after all he campaigned on it.Thank You Mr.President !!!!!!!!!

                  • 18 votes
                  #2.15 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:49 PM EDT

                  Clearly President Obama is a gambler, in the face of his "intelligence agency" telling him there was a 50/50 chance that Bin Laden was there, and Joe Biden advising against it...he went for it...and was proven to be right...while others may have waited for more confirmation before acting.

                  ...and we thought Ronald Reagan was a "gun slinger"!

                  • 13 votes
                  #2.16 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:10 PM EDT
                  Comment author avatarBill from OregonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  "even Carter would of given the order." This is funny as Jimmy Crack Corn wouldn't spit even with a mouthful.. And BHO didn't do squat.

                  Osama's bye bye party was put in place over years of Intelligence community efforts. BHO had nothing to do with it..

                  So be it, that is the world of politics. Take credit for the good and blame someone else for the bad.

                  • 1 vote
                  #2.17 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:47 PM EDT

                  Bill from Oregon- The Bubble Bill, turn off your bubble. Your dancing in front of the mirror and you wonder why the reflection is laughing at ya...lol

                  • 6 votes
                  #2.18 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:02 PM EDT

                  President Carter is/was a peanut farmer not a corn farmer. Also, Bill from Oregon, I take it from your comment that you have absolutely no idea how the military chain of command works.

                  • 10 votes
                  #2.19 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:06 PM EDT
                  Comment author avatarRandom pennsylvanianExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  Did Obama fly the Helicopter to Osama's hideout? Did Obama storm into the house holding a machinegun? Did Obama shoot Osama in the head? If your answer to all of these questions is "no", then Obama deserves no credit what-so-ever.

                  • 3 votes
                  #2.20 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:27 PM EDT

                  Apparently Random pennsylvanians don't understand the military chain of command either.

                  • 12 votes
                  #2.21 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:28 PM EDT
                  Comment author avatarRandom pennsylvanianExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  Layne, answer my questions. Did Obama do any of the stuff I posted above? If not, he deserves no credit. In fact, 20 minutes before the mission started, Obama was playing golf. Anybody could have made the decision to kill Osama.

                  • 3 votes
                  #2.22 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:00 PM EDT

                  Alright, I will answer your question. The answer is YES. As the Commander in Chief of the United States armed forces, he could have made that decision WHILE playing golf and STILL been able to take credit for the action because he is the big boss. He could have ALSO been in the shower, driving down the road, playing basketball, waking up from a nap, and said NO and then the job would NOT have been done or said YES and it's a GO. He is the only one that could have made the decision to kill Osama bin Laden because that is his job as the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief of the United States military, especially in this type of a circumstance where we were entering another "friendly" nation without permission. So, he did not fly the chopper, nor did he hold any of the weapons which shot into Osama's skull BUT he is the one that said "GO" and had to live with the success or failure of the mission, being the one where the "buck stops". So, yes, as someone who served in the military for 22 years, I understand the chain of command of the military. Had President Bush done it, he would have been able to take credit. Had the next president been the one who did it, HE (or she) would have been able to take credit. It is the nature of the position and saying he wasn't directly involved in the action has no correlation with the actual "taking credit". No general or colonel or sergeant or anyone else gets to make such a decision in a case like this.

                  • 13 votes
                  #2.23 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:16 PM EDT

                  Oh, and it seems to ME that the pictures show that he WAS involved. He was in the War room watching the mission unfold and interacting with the key players as necessary. Or, do you think those images were staged so he could finish that last hole or two???

                  • 6 votes
                  #2.24 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:22 PM EDT

                  Oh, and one other thing... Supposing some military personnel had just happened upon Osama bin Laden and killed him while President Obama was swimming with the dolphins off of Key West, totally away from the phone and out of contact of the country (a totally made up situation by the way) when it happened and he STILL could have taken credit for it because he is the boss. Conversely, if it had been a failure, he would have also gotten the blame like President Carter did when the mission to save the Iranian Hostages failed.

                  It is all part of being the President AND in fact the Commander in Chief of the entire military.

                  • 8 votes
                  #2.25 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 PM EDT

                  Random - No Obama didn't put on a uniform - however he was never AWOL as George JR and he also did not go to France to sit out Viet Nam living in a Mormon chateau to convert French Catholics - sorry to say Willard's record on that is ZERO converts

                  And by the way Cheney got six deferments along with a list of all the neo-cons now advising "The Willard"

                  • 11 votes
                  #2.26 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:38 PM EDT

                  Then there's Bush who didn't think it was important enough to even look for Bin Laden.

                  • 9 votes
                  #2.27 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:19 AM EDT

                  Can Romney say anything without being disrespectful, offensive, or snooty -- and in this case all of those things plus ignorant? We can't have a POTUS that would go around the world pissing everyone off.

                  • 6 votes
                  #2.28 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:40 AM EDT

                  Like "snipping" audio tapes NBC is again snipping. This time the content of the statements. NBC -- go back to honorable reporting!!!

                    #2.29 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:45 AM EDT

                    When Carter did it, it was a last ditch attempt to get reelected, and he got people killed in a mission that should have been aborted. 2nd worse President ever. Guess who's first, if you can, libs.

                    • 2 votes
                    #2.30 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:11 PM EDT

                    TruePatriot - We already had that, from 2000-2008 and it was really emabarrasing!

                    • 3 votes
                    #2.31 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:55 PM EDT

                    Random Pennsylvanian--Did Obama fly the Helicopter to Osama's hideout? Did Obama storm into the house holding a machinegun? Did Obama shoot Osama in the head? If your answer to all of these questions is "no", then Obama deserves no credit what-so-ever.

                    Note to all: Please don't collapse this persons posts ... leave them open so we can all see how ridiculous an Obama hater can get.

                    And, while we're at it: Ask him exactly how involved G.W. Bush was with the events that preceded the ship-board "Mission Accomplished" photo-op. Unlike the killing of Osama, "Mission Accomplished" was actually a sham.

                    • 1 vote
                    #2.32 - Wed May 2, 2012 3:54 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Obama has every right to claim credit for getting Bin Laden. As was noted in a previous article, Obama reversed the Bush policy and put significant resources into finding BL's hiding place.

                    Romney certainly wouldn't have devoted the resources that Bush had removed from the effort and Bin Laden wouldn't even have been found. And if he had, Romney certainly wouldn't have made Obama's risky decision of sending in helicopters to make sure it was Bin Laden they were getting rather than the politically safer decision of bombing the hideout to oblivion, resulting in "collateral damage" of civilian deaths and leaving questions about whether Bin Laden was had been there at all, because a bombing would likely leave no remains for DNA testing.

                    And of course, everyone knows that if Bush had gotten Bin Laden prior to 2004, he would have trumpeted it endlessly in the 2004 campaign. As it was, the GOP actually ran a disgusting ad showing the flag-draped remains of a 9/11 victim being removed from the World Trade Center site to play on people's fear of terrorism in that election. Nobody can match the extremist GOP for bad taste and excessive politicization of any issue.

                    • 41 votes
                    Reply#3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

                    Romney would have outsourced the operation---he is good at outsourcing jobs.

                    Love hearing the Republicans whine about this. They object to VP Biden saying bin Laden is dead and GM is alive. Well, Mitt wanted to let GM go bankrupt and was on record as saying he wouldn't spend the resources to go after bin Laden. Seems to me VP Biden was on the mark.

                    • 34 votes
                    #3.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

                    Romney would have outsourced the operation---he is good at outsourcing jobs.

                    Tsk, tsk, and he would have confiscated the assets of the operation and sold them off (probably to Iran), and then taken their retirement funds and pocketed them offshore. Just what we need, a vulture capitalist running the country.

                    • 27 votes
                    #3.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:05 PM EDT
                    Comment author avatarwinemaker-4308406Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                    The actual fact is that it took much prodding to get the Barack Ness Monster to sign the order to take out OBL.

                    • 4 votes
                    #3.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:38 PM EDT

                    winemaker-4308406

                    The actual fact is that it took much prodding to get the Barack Ness Monster to sign the order to take out OBL.

                    The actual fact is that you're just slinging B.S. That's one thing that RWNJ's are really good at.

                    • 21 votes
                    #3.4 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:18 PM EDT

                    Ah Houston, not slinging BS, but fact as stated by people in the room.

                    When it comes to taking items out of context, or quoting half-truths, no one can beat the Progressive Party for this.

                    My favorite line from the far left:

                    'We must pass this bill to understand what's in the bill.

                    Or.........

                    I was for the war before I was against the war.

                    Or........

                    It isn't my fault - I inherited this mess from Bush.

                    • 3 votes
                    #3.5 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:16 PM EDT

                    You mean Obama reversed the Bush policy like he reversed it with Guantanamo and Iraq? Get a clue.

                    The same sniping Obama supporters are complaining about now, is the same if not less sniping they were doing when Bush was in office.

                    All the peaceniks who hated war under Bush and thought Obama would end war, (and deserved his advance Peace Prize) certainly have been quiet on the increase in drone attacks and continued warfare in foreign countries and the right to kill american citizen with a "process" and not due process.

                    • 1 vote
                    #3.6 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

                    Its pretty bad when you have Arianna Huffington condemning Obama's campaign for using the Osama bin Laden assassination, into a campaign ad is one of the most despicable things you can do.

                    • 2 votes
                    #3.7 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

                    Its pretty bad when you have Arianna Huffington condemning Obama's campaign

                    No it's not - Arianna is a republican who learned how to make $$$ off Democrat's!

                    • 10 votes
                    #3.8 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

                    winemaker-4308406

                    The actual fact is that it took much prodding to get the Barack Ness Monster to sign the order to take out OBL.

                    Actually, John Brennan said on This Week yesterday that Obama's top people, Biden, Gates and the military guy (I forget his name) advised against ordering the raid. Obama listened to everyone and decided to go for it. That doesn't sound like prodding to me.

                    • 16 votes
                    #3.9 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:17 PM EDT

                    Heartlight3 - no prodding necessary. winemaker likes to make things up.

                    • 6 votes
                    #3.10 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:18 PM EDT

                    Winemaker, stop drinking the TEA !!!!!!!!!

                    • 9 votes
                    #3.11 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:54 PM EDT

                    During his campaign, Obama said he would violate soverign territory to get Bin Laden if he had to and that's exactly what he did. The Republicans started to make an issue out of it before the election but the argument was overshadowed by mudslinging. Well, he did what he said he would do and that is something that takes guts on the world stage. Bush let the soverignty issue allow Bin Laden to walk out through an encircling army.

                    • 5 votes
                    #3.12 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:32 AM EDT

                    Thank you Fiesty - I have wondered about Arianna - some of her comments were over the line

                    And now you have revealed her for what I suspected

                    However I would have to give her a pass - any woman that enters into a marriage and finds out her husband is gay would be a little bitter

                    However - and this is a big however - she kept his name - I would have dumped that name and gone back to mine

                    Yikes - a greek name how far do you think she would have gotten with that?

                    An opportunist? You judge

                    • 4 votes
                    #3.13 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:11 AM EDT

                    "Nobody can match the extremist GOP for bad taste and excessive politicization of any issue." Well said Houston. I laugh when I hear how Obama is "politicizing a unifying event". Good Lord, I laugh just writing those words. When is Mitt Romney going to talk about his own policy? I've been waiting for months and it appears I'll have to wait longer. He's done nothing to show me he would make a good president... and I lived in Massachusetts when he was governor.

                    • 4 votes
                    #3.14 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:07 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    It is counter productive to argue that even Jimmy Carter would have given that order. Carter did give the order for a more dangerous mission than this one and it ended in disaster (for which he took much grief). No one knows what they would do until they have the responsiblity of the decision. Of course, some of our (too many) representatives have proven they could easily make it because comprehending a complex situation is beyond their thought process.

                    • 23 votes
                    Reply#4 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

                    Ron Brock, well said. Even President Clinton said that he "would like to think" that he would have made the same call as President Obama, he did not say that he definitey would have. Romney's comment about Carter says more about Mitt than it does about either Obama or Carter. Mitt is an imposter.

                    • 28 votes
                    #4.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:54 PM EDT

                    Mitt Romney said that he would not spend any resource looking for Bin Laden, a man who represents the biggest terror threat to the USA. Therefore he is not even qualified to speak on whether he would give such an order. If he would not look for Bin Laden he would not find him. And because he would not find him he would have no reason to give an order to take him out.

                    • 7 votes
                    #4.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:04 PM EDT

                    @Feisty - Since most of your comments are collapsed I'm happy I can type this at you.

                    You are part of the problem. Unable to think in other than a bowling ally lane narrow focus you go and you vote and it's a vote based on 10 degrees of a 360 degree problem.

                    Sadly there is way too much of this ignorace in the United States.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:20 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Jimmy would have given the order... yes. Too bad that Bush and Chenney gave up on the search. If we had the republicans in office he would have still been on the loose. Look at Obama's war record. If you say he has been weak you're wrond and lying Mr Romney. You might try to swiftboat the President but he finished Iraq, has managed Afghanistan, attacked around the world with drones. His efforts in the Middle East have lead to changes all around. Now who looks weak... Romney, you can only be a talking head when it comes to foreign policy. You haven't got one.

                    • 23 votes
                    Reply#5 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:51 PM EDT

                    If we had the republicans in office he would have still been on the loose

                    Tiredofitall-

                    Of course. Killing Bin Laden would've killed their "Fear Factor" wedge issue. What else did they have to run on?

                    • 18 votes
                    #5.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:06 PM EDT

                    To make matters worse, Tired, most of Mitt's foreign policy team are retreads from the Bush administration. So he would bring their thinking back to the White House with him. We saw that movie the first time and barely lived through it--we don't need it again.

                    • 18 votes
                    #5.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:10 PM EDT

                    Exactly Steeler Fan....kind of sends chills doesn't it? The minute I head about all of the Bush folks who are advising Romney the hairs stood up on the back of my neck. As they did when I listened to his "100,000 more troops" speech the other day.

                    Obama/Biden 2012...

                    • 9 votes
                    #5.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:03 PM EDT

                    Tireofitall,

                    Iraq was finished before Obama took office as the withdrawal time table was already in place at the end of Bush's presidency. Obama increased troops in Afghanistan before beginning the draw down and contrary to partisan belief, the search for Bin Laden was never abandoned by Bush. Bush changed the methods he was using. Instead of using troops to turn over every rock in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Bush used the intelligence agencies and special operations forces, a policy which Obama continued with when elected. As far as credit for making the call to go forward with the raid, Obama deserves it, but any more than that belongs to the special operations troops and the intelligence community for finding and killing Osama Bin Laden! The despicable thing about this whole discussion is that it is being politicized by both parties. Bin laden's death was about justice and retribution not politics, and if Obama had politics in mind when giving the order, he is undeserving of any credit at all. Obama's record is weak when it comes to economic issues at home and abroad, his foreign policy record is just as bad. He was given a NOBEL PRIZE for PEACE before he did anything to earn it and has since done nothing deserving of the award. The so called changes in the Middle East did not happen because of Obama's policies, they happened because Bush toppled Iraq and set in place a democratic style of government. While the new Iraqi government is not ideal, it gave others in the region hope that change was achievable and that they would receive the support of the world in their efforts. Obama's decisions over Libya were correct, but his method was all wrong. Overall Obama has shown that he can be strong willed to the point of stubborn when necessary, but chooses what benefits him, not the country. He may have a vision, but it is a vision that I think the majority of Americans would not like if they took the time to look at it.

                      #5.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:15 PM EDT

                      3:16 - Iraq was a $1.4 Billion a day horror show based on lies that changed almost nothing in Iraq except for the 100,000 or so dead, maimed or missing. That mess surely didn't do our country any good either, unless you are only thinking of Bush and Cheney's corporate resource raiders. That twisted ideology you are spewing is what got this country into the mess we are in. While you are making this massive effort to re-write history by defending George Bush policy and slinging biblical references, I give you this advice going into the next election: Consider these words before you cast your vote in November while clinging to your bible:

                      "What you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me."

                      • 2 votes
                      #5.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:25 PM EDT
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                      Why should we believe Mr. Romney when the GOP's history is that, no, we will not go into Pakistan to get bin Laden?

                      July 28, 2008

                      Larry King: "If you were president and knew that bin Laden was in Pakistan, you know where, would you have U.S. forces go in after him?"

                      John McCain: "Larry, I'm not going to go there and here's why: because Pakistan is a sovereign nation."

                      September 15, 2006

                      Q: "Thank you, Mr. President. Earlier this week, you told a group of journalists that you thought the idea of sending Special Forces to Pakistan to hunt down bin Laden was a strategy that would not work."

                      President Bush: "Yes."

                      Q: "Now, recently, you've also --"

                      Bush: "Because, first of all, Pakistan is a sovereign nation."

                      Q: "Well, recently, you've also described bin Laden as a sort of modern day Hitler or Mussolini. And I'm wondering why, if you can explain why you think it's a bad idea to send more resources to hunt down bin Laden, wherever he is?"

                      Bush: "We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, Special Forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan."

                      ...but, if Mr. Romney wants to "Monday Morning Quarterback" this thing then whatever.

                      • 22 votes
                      Reply#6 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:52 PM EDT

                      Thanks for the reminder of how much the GOP has not changed. Pakistan is a sovereign nation and Iraq was not? Republican double-speak at it's best...and how is Mittsy any different?? He's not.

                      I didn't take a REAL man "thousands of troops" to kill bin Laden.

                      • 12 votes
                      #6.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

                      DaNoid,

                      So honoring a nation's sovereignty is a BAD THING? Most of those posting here voted for Obama because HE WAS AGAINST WAR! Yet now they are defending his acts of war as righteous and justified. How hypocritical is that? While I believe it was the right thing to do to take out Bin Laden when we had the chance, Obama could have at least notified the Pakistani government while the mission was in progress, instead of waiting for it all to be over. Pakistan, after all is an ally. Don't go overboard with that comment, because I really do believe they have been more of a hindrance than a help in Afghanistan and do not deserve to be called an ally. Rather, I see them as a necessary evil in maintaining supply lines to our troops on the ground. It was our government that used the term ally to sweet talk a deal to use Pakistan as a delivery route for supplies and as a puppet to tick of Iran.

                        #6.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

                        Again...isn't/wasn't Iraq a sovereign nation before the Bush/Cheney war machine rolled in? It wasn't a consideration AT THE TIME, now was it? Only when a true thinking man's president comes in and starts cleaning house do the whiney GOP apologists come out of the woodwork..."Obama could have at least notified the Pakistani government", eh? Put them on notice, he did!

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:36 PM EDT
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                        No matter how the republicans try to spin it, the bottom line is that a republican president had 2 terms to get bin Laden and he did not...it took Obama less than 1.

                        • 30 votes
                        Reply#7 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:52 PM EDT

                        tac210,

                        So the 10 years of work set in place by a republican administration had nothing to do with finally tracking Bin Laden down. You are Naive! If Bush doesn't force Afghanistan's hand and remove the Taliban, Bin Laden would not have had to run. If he didn't have to run, he would have been free to communicate and plot more attacks against the US. By removing the Taliban, it forced Bin Laden to lose touch with his organization, how ever briefly and disrupt his command and control. Once he was on the run, he couldn't settle for too long and re-establish his control. Once he was pushed from Afghanistan, the pressure had to be relieved so that he could resurface and again be found and tracked. Covert teams, surveillance and intelligence were the way in which it needed to be done. It seems none of you are hunters, because flushing the prey and then stalking it until you have the chance for a kill is the way hunting works. the same tactics as applied to Bin Laden that started when the Taliban refused to peacefully hand him over. It may have taken ten years to do it, but trust me when I say that all ten years went into that few hours that achieved Bin Laden's death and all the intelligence gained from the computers and documents found in his compound.

                          #7.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:39 PM EDT

                          You are digging deep with that fox spin 3:16.

                          • 4 votes
                          #7.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:30 PM EDT

                          I think 3:16 is code for "Sean Hannity"....

                          • 2 votes
                          #7.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:38 PM EDT
                          Reply

                          Romney would have to stand on a ladder to touch the hem of Jimmy Carter's pant leg

                          • 24 votes
                          Reply#8 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

                          And Republicans wanna elect Gov. Robme for PRESIDENT!! I betcha some of his statements even confuse HIM!!

                          • 18 votes
                          Reply#9 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:10 PM EDT

                          Coulda, shoulda, woulda.....

                          So Mitt Romney has a chance to issue a definitive statement on his foreign policy principles and how he would combat terrorism as president, and the best thing he can come up with is to deflect to a snide remark about what he thinks Jimmy Carter would have done?

                          So now what happens? Does the media all go scurrying down to Georgia to ask former President Carter what he thinks Gerald Ford would have done?

                          Let's focus, people!

                          Look, I have no idea what Mitt Romney might have done in the same situation. What I do know is that Romney has had countless opportunities to demonstrate both decisiveness on ANY issue and even a basic grasp of foreign policy and he has yet to do either one. And I find that a lot more troubling than whether or not he'd have issued one particular order.

                          Romney has his party's nomination locked up. If he really wants to BE president, he needs to get his act together and start acting like one.

                          • 28 votes
                          Reply#10 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:11 PM EDT

                          Joanne - and the operative word there would be "acting."

                          • 16 votes
                          #10.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:16 PM EDT

                          Romney won't stand up to Rush Limbaugh. 'Nuff said.

                          • 24 votes
                          #10.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:32 PM EDT

                          Yeah. He can't even find an opinion stronger than "not the word I would've used" when a young woman is called "slut" and "whore." You can tell he only has sons...

                          • 4 votes
                          #10.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

                          The fact that a presidential candidate is unwilling to distance himself from the likes of Rush Limbaugh for fear of losing critical base voters is astounding to me. Absolutely astounding. This should tell us something about the current field of republicans, the party base and the future should we go that route again.

                          Obama 2012

                          • 2 votes
                          #10.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:33 PM EDT

                          Just like y'all stand up to Bill Mahers or Scarborough.

                            #10.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:36 PM EDT

                            Maher isn't running for Leader of the Freaking Free World, is he?

                            And do you mean Joe Scarborough? He's a Republican.

                            • 5 votes
                            #10.6 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:05 PM EDT
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                            For Romney to make such a statement as to compare President Obama to President Carter is like comparing Romney himself to (What ???) Because never has there been a person that flip-flops on everything and I mean everything. Just as long as he says the right thing that the crowd in front of him wants to hear.

                            Now saying that. What he said on his own was something like this. I'm not going to move heaven and earth to get this Bin-Laden guy... So once again which flip or flop of a Romney are you getting. Especially when it's "Money-Time", or put up and shut time...

                            Go figure this one out and then go vote...

                            • 18 votes
                            Reply#11 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:19 PM EDT

                            Yet Bush said he didn't care if Bin Laden were ever captured or killed. The GOP used to be strong on defense...before they were against it!

                            • 21 votes
                            Reply#12 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:23 PM EDT

                            Sue: The GOP has never been against defense spending, that's for sure. Willard intends to double down on the spending if given the chance.

                            • 1 vote
                            #12.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:37 PM EDT
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                            Oh Willard, you are such a brainless, phony, lying, pathetic, pretender to the thrown. A thrown you are not qualified for and would screw up moments after you took the oath of office. I've got to believe the toughest decision you've ever made was to pick the exterior color of one of your mega-mansions. Green like $$$ - right???

                            I will cash it in and leave America for a safer place if you are elected. But not for me to worry; it won't happen.

                            • 18 votes
                            Reply#13 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:24 PM EDT

                            Please leave as quickly as possible.

                              #13.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:12 PM EDT
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                              Alternative history here - Bin Laden is killed/captured in 2007 just as the 2008 election period begins. Would Republican candidates eschewed using the event to tout their party's effectiveness in foreign policy matters? Unlikely especially if there emerged an early pre-eminent candidate with views similar to Bush II.

                              Criticizing Obama's use of the event strikes me as sour grapes from the Republicans.

                              • 16 votes
                              #14 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:24 PM EDT

                              It only became "politicized" when Obama used it to hit Romney. I find it classless to use an event that united us to bash your opponent with. It would have been classless for a conservative to do it, it's classless for this president to do it. I think if he'd have left the "Romney wouldn't have done it" angle out of it, it would have been a little less douchey. Sit back and ask yourself if Romney were president, and Obama the nominee, would you really be ok with Romney running the same ad?

                              • 3 votes
                              #14.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

                              Rhondamom - can you show us the documented proof of your outrage when BushII used 9/11 and "ridding the world of Saddam Hussein"? I'm sure you were completely beside yourself...

                              It seems that righty-tighties only think things are classless when it's the other side taking the bow and making your "men" look like the crying little babies that they are.

                              • 9 votes
                              #14.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:39 PM EDT

                              Shockedanddisgusted - no she can't because she had no problem with Bush being douchey as he was so often.

                              I actually would not have had a problem had Romney been President and being responsible for ordering the hit on Osama - had he taken credit for it. It is a big moment in the history of the country and the person who made that decision should take credit for it. However, we all know Romney would not have made that decision. Way above his level of intelligence and courage.

                              So, Rhondamom - perhaps you should be a little less douchey in your posts in the future because the GOP has nothing; nada; zero; zilch running in this race!

                              • 9 votes
                              #14.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

                              Yeah - I doubt if she will even respond. It's tough being confronted with your own blatant hypocrisy...

                              • 6 votes
                              #14.4 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

                              shockedanddisgusted: You proved my point.....You obviously didn't like it when Bush did it, but you're ok with Obama doing it....BIG difference is that Bush didn't use it to attack his rival.....

                              making your "men" look like the crying little babies that they are

                              Wow. Are you like seven years old?

                              However, we all know Romney would not have made that decision. Way above his level of intelligence and courage

                              No, you don't know that....When he said he wouldn't spend billions of dollars to look for him, that didn't mean that had the opportunity arose, he wouldn't have taken it.

                              So, Rhondamom - perhaps you should be a little less douchey in your posts in the future because the GOP has nothing; nada; zero; zilch running in this race!

                              So, Rhondamom - perhaps you should be a little less douchey in your posts in the future because the GOP has nothing; nada; zero; zilch running in this race!

                              Wow, are you on the same playground with sickanddisgusted. I never attacked you personally. Grow up.

                              • 1 vote
                              #14.5 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:20 PM EDT

                              See post above....at least you two good for a laugh. It's cute how you cover each other and vote each other's comments up....

                                #14.6 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:25 PM EDT

                                rhondamom - you're not even good for a laugh. Again, you fit right in with the douchey crowd of the GOP - nothing there - no value, no nothing!

                                • 7 votes
                                #14.7 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

                                Nice. Your hateful rhetoric doesn't win arguments. To describe a group of people, based on political beliefs, as no value is really just silly. I'm going to stop now since you obviously have no comments worth value and I really don't like to waste time having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

                                • 1 vote
                                #14.8 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

                                rhondamom - and I was thinking the same about you. No wits there whatsoever! Yet your hate filled rhetoric about our President is okay? How nice you are so two-faced! You fit right in with the GOP "do as I say, not as I do" crowd.

                                • 7 votes
                                #14.9 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:43 PM EDT

                                Rhondamom--I have had the same exact conversation with SS, she is incapable of critical thought out debate and revels in the personal abuse style of posting thinking somehow she is earning points from the Fiesty crowd. Not sure what points are earned anonymously but its not a very credible debating style. When confronted with real facts or the inaccuracies of any observations she makes, she attacks and then runs away. Dont waste your time as she wont engage

                                • 1 vote
                                #14.10 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:21 PM EDT

                                So, rhodamom....I'm still waiting for documentation of your outrage at BushII. My outrage at Bush was for the war in Iraq in general and the way he manipulated people like you into believing it was an attack on terrorism. Using it as campaign propaganda was merely salt in the wound.

                                What Bush did do to attack his rival was lie, rhodamom. I'd be entertained to know your justification for the whole swift-boat debacle.

                                Most normal people would consider wining about the President questioning Mittsy's ability to make critical wartime decisions to be the act of a seven year old, my dear, and I fail to see any valid point you were trying to make. I'll be waiting to see proof of your outrage at Bush and your justifications for the swift-boat lie.

                                • 4 votes
                                #14.11 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:09 PM EDT

                                Kirk - what a joke you are. You constantly post things which you know are not true. I replied in kind to rhodamom - but you didn't have a problem with her post.

                                The real problem with you is you don't post facts or argue intelligently. You constantly make things up then when people call you on it you are condescending. But don't worry - you and rhodamom work beautifully together. You'll ignore her spite-filled posts and she'll pretend to believe your lies. Your the perfect couple.

                                Shocked - I see you never got a reply. Are we surprised?

                                • 1 vote
                                #14.12 - Tue May 1, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

                                oooohhh that hurt SS. You are so good at slinging mud too bad you never have any facts or substance to your posts. Have you responded to even one of my posts over the last few days except to call me names and liar. If I lie, prove me wrong. You didnt know how private equity worked yesterday and then Shocked comes in and calls me names and makes up stuff about geography all to deflect the truth which is hard for you guys to fathom. Shocked still thinks that putting money in a foreign bank account is the same as hiding it from the IRS and accuses Romney of criminal acts--sounds like a birther doesnt he. If the best you can do is sling mud rather than provide cogent intellectual responses, who do you think looks the more credible? Unfortunately for you condescension doesnt equal being wrong. Go back and read the various posts and see which one is spite filled. Sorry seeking but its not Rhodamom or me.

                                • 1 vote
                                #14.13 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

                                Bush used 9/11 in campaign ads in 2004. "Safer, Stronger" and "Tested", for example.

                                • 4 votes
                                #14.14 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:15 PM EDT

                                Capcodmom: Did he question his opponents ability to make the same type of decisions he did in an ad? Maybe I missed it. If he did, it would make him totally classless also.

                                • 1 vote
                                #14.15 - Thu May 3, 2012 1:34 PM EDT

                                Shocked - I see you never got a reply. Are we surprised?

                                As I stated above:

                                I'm going to stop now since you obviously have no comments worth value and I really don't like to waste time having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

                                • 1 vote
                                #14.16 - Thu May 3, 2012 1:44 PM EDT
                                Reply

                                woulda ... coulda ... shoulda vs. DID

                                • 20 votes
                                Reply#15 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:28 PM EDT

                                To repeat the words of a famous fablist: Those grapes were sour anyway!

                                • 12 votes
                                Reply#16 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:49 PM EDT

                                Romney is a total wuss ..this isn't " playing Army"..Mitts hair would get messed up and his Prada shoes and suit would get dirty .

                                • 14 votes
                                Reply#17 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

                                Geez. Sour grapes? Bitter, table for one is more accurate. He is all kinds of p.o.'d that Obama can take credit for the Bin Ladin execution. That is not what makes me want to vote for Obama. It's the GOP whiney garbage that will make me vote for Obama. But then again Obama will crank up the whiney stuff, too. I wish it was post election already. I think.

                                • 7 votes
                                Reply#18 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:13 PM EDT

                                Come on suds, the fact is that President Obama, the person, is better for the country than Mitt Romney. Mitt is the weaker, and mitt is only in this for the power and making sure the wealthy run the world as he has always believed. I would suggest that you stop blaming President Obama for the weaknesses of your own party and their failures.

                                • 6 votes
                                #18.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:07 PM EDT
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                                The U.S. intelligence community and U.S. military put their lives on the line for years on end trying to find bin Laden and they had a lot more to lose than standing in approval ratings. They're far more deserving of credit than Obama, Bush or Romney. But I think the biggest fault lies with team Obama because they chose to politicize and trivialize an event that brought the American people together and was the culmination of so much effort and sacrifice on the part of thousands of people.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#19 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:14 PM EDT

                                Poor Rob, President Obama gave all the credit to the military and to the seals who got bin Laden. Quit creating your own lies to support your hatred and disrespect of your President. The seals got the job done, and the President was the first one to say it. And he gave them the credit to their faces. This President has more dignity and respect in his pinky for the military than you have, for our military and for our President. Our President is the military's Commander In Chief. Too bad and how sad that you, in disrespecting one, you disrespect the entire military. But hey, seems that is all you republicans are capable of. Very sad, very unpatriotic, very unamerican.

                                • 14 votes
                                #19.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:02 PM EDT

                                Come on Rob, republicans are totally trying to diminish President Obama's strength on national security. They are playing politics, hear the whining? Mitt has his back against the wall on national security; bush failed on bin Laden; tomorrow is the 1st anniversary of bin Laden being dead; and wait and watch tomorrow when old rudy and mitt appear together and they trash president obama. That will be the trivializing and politicizing, not the President affirming what he said, and actually accomplishing what he said he would do, and that is get bin Laden. It is your party trivializing it by trashing your President, instead of applauding the fact that bin Laden is dead, and those who served, and those who perished, both on September 11 and fighting in the wars, and those who have fought and are still in harms way, have the satisfaction of knowing that the murdering terrorist is dead, and our seals and our President got him. Ungrateful sots on the part of the repubs here.

                                • 10 votes
                                #19.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

                                Demsrock: Were the Repubs the one's making a campaign commercial praising Obama and hitting Romney? No. Rob's comments are spot on!

                                • 1 vote
                                #19.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

                                rhondamom - you gotta lay off the booze this early. That post makes no sense at all!

                                • 3 votes
                                #19.4 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

                                I seem to remember GW Bush using scenes from 9/11 in his re-election campaign and aired those commercials in states where John Kerry was leading. A lot of the families of 9/11 were outraged that their painful memories were being used as campaign fodder yet the Bush administration stood behind those ads and they continued to run them.

                                Like it or not, the military and President Obama own this one and always will.

                                Obama/Biden 2012

                                • 7 votes
                                #19.5 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:06 PM EDT
                                Reply

                                We know who would not have given the order: the wimpy, talk tough and do nothing George W. Bush. Because Bush didn't even try to catch Bin Laden. The right wing half wit was too busy wasting a trillion dollars in Iraq with the full support of the Republican party.

                                • 14 votes
                                Reply#20 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

                                Zorro, don't forget that Bush had bin Laden in Tora Bora in 2003, and he did not give the order to go and get him. Why? Because election was coming in 2004, and he was a fraidy cat - reelection was more important than getting the murdering terrorist of September 11. Wimpy Mitt is a clone of Bush - coward on national security, lies to protect his butt, and yes, spends like what he is: a millionaire without a money worry. Anyone who thinks Mitt is good for the country, when he is bush's clone, is this: a racist. President Obama has proven over and over that the Republicans do nothing but spend, and get nothing done. That is the fact. But instead of Republicans demanding better from their party, they turn Mitt lose. Weak, weak weak; but we all know that the republicans, in their greed and their weakness, failed this country and brought us to where we are. And stupidly, republicans think just because bush went away, that his bills went away with him. Weak and clueless, and republicans prove this every single day. Mitt is the republicans example of weakness.

                                • 10 votes
                                #20.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

                                DEMSROCK ____— G.W. did not want to kill Ben Ladin because if he had, there would have been no ore reason to continue the war. And we all know he wanted the war to go on. He started it so he could be a war time president, to cover up his shameful record of the time he spent in the Air National Guard.

                                • 1 vote
                                #20.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:06 PM EDT

                                Romney is lying, again.

                                When then presidential candidate Obama said he would act on intelligence of bin Laden's location in Pakistan if Pakistan was unwilling or unable to make that arrest/capture, he was derided as reckless and naive by Clinton on the Democratic side and universally by all on the Republican side. Even John McCain, who seemingly was willing to go to war with Russia over their incursion into Georgia, said it was naive.

                                Just another bald faced lie by the biggest bald faced liar of a politician (now there's a tough bar to surpass) I think I've ever seen.

                                • 2 votes
                                #20.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 7:32 AM EDT
                                Reply

                                Bishop Romney is so out of touch with the real world even his own handlers know he will be embarrassed during the debates. Bishop Romney will be the cause of the biggest lopsided victory for the Democratic party ever.

                                The vast majority of people already knows Bishop Romney will say anything he thinks people will want to hear in order to get their votes. While pandering to one group he is loosing another. America is too great of a country to allow the republican gNOp to continue to try and destroy the American dream in order to please their rich puppet masters. Votes straight Democrat ticket in November. Tell everyone you know to vote. Help everyone you know to meet any new voting requirements that republicans have tried to put in the way. Bring them to the voting polls with you. Let's show the republican party we are tired of their lies. Send them home until they learn they work of the majority of the American people and not just their rich corporate puppet masters.

                                OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

                                • 15 votes
                                Reply#21 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:21 PM EDT

                                Romney’ Bizarro Nation

                                Romney and his extreme-Republican base have publicly stated
                                the president hasn’t done enough on record to run against Republican policies.
                                These political advertisements are pretty accurate portrayals of what’s been
                                going on since taking over the mess left by Republican policies. The economy and
                                jobs were sunk by them and because president Obama can’t in 3 years fix what
                                they created with 8 years of Bush & Republican policies they suggest he has
                                failed the American people. That seems to me akin to the comic book of Superman
                                having to fight the Bizarro character. The half of Americans still believing
                                trickle economics is working has bought into the blatant lies of the Republican
                                Bizarro nation. With all the ugliness of Republican policies still being peeled
                                away these Bizarro’s try telling people the President lied because he didn’t
                                fix their mess fast enough after he made promises. Now they want another chance
                                to totally destroy whatever American virtues or dreams of hope is left. I would
                                not be surprised if we found out if corporations made a pact with Republicans
                                (vice versa) not to hire or grow their business on promises that Republicans
                                can re-take the Presidency by refusing to help the President in any way (Policy
                                of “NO”) and they would side with whatever the corporation wanted to repeal or new
                                policies for monetary support in campaigning for 2012. It partially worked in
                                2010. Republican launched new laws against women rights, voting rights,
                                immigration and gays and lesbian rights never did get around to producing those
                                JOBS, JOBS, and JOBS they promised. America we have found the anchor that’s
                                holding back America. It’s the REPUBLICAN BIZARRO NATION and they are
                                everywhere. We need eyes and ears to call them out on whatever bizarre tactic
                                they use. We will take back our Country Back. That is the new title for these
                                extreme right-wing conservative Republicans - BIZARRO NATION,

                                WTFHAPPENED

                                • 9 votes
                                Reply#22 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:42 PM EDT

                                FACT Versus White House FICTION?

                                White house speculation on whether or not Romney would have ordered the demise of BinLaden is political fiction, while Pres. Obama's failure to retrieve the stray drone or blow it up is pure fact.

                                The Iranians out smarted the Obama administration and the White house campaign story line once again backfires.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#23 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:47 PM EDT

                                Ronald here a typical Republican lliar. But hey, that's all the repubs have got, is lies, and stupidly they believe their own lies. Repubs are a constant source of embarrassment to our country.

                                • 15 votes
                                #23.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:50 PM EDT

                                Ronald, Yea, lets go into Iran and start another war. Think before you speak. What you suggest is an act of war..

                                • 4 votes
                                #23.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:10 PM EDT
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                                Romney is a wobbly knee aristocrat richey rich who has never had to get his hands dirty. Can you really believe that he has the guts to give the order to put a bullet in the head of anyone? Let's see, President Obama keeps his promise in getting bin Laden. He orders a bullet put in the head of the pirates who were holding hostage an American ship captain. Mitt Romney has been calling President Obama weak on natural security, and Mitt has been criticizing President Obama since 2007 on the issue of bin Laden. Mitt Romney said he wouldn't do it, and now that Mitt is pushed against the wall on this, Mitt takes a cheap shot at President Carter. Mitt has a weak character, he is not strong on national security, and Mitt has a flaw that he lashes out with huge disrespect when he is hoisted on his own petard. Mitt is an embarrassment, and unfortunately, he is running for President. Typically republican constantly whining, but then again, that is all Republicans do, whine and lie and act with dishonor, disrespect, constantly lie, and yes, they are an embarrassment to our country. Even foreign leaders applaud what President Obama did with bin Laden. Too bad Mitt lacks the character to match up to even what foreign leaders have said; that President Obama got the job done.

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                                Reply#24 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

                                I am by no means an Obama fan but Romney is dead wrong on this one. Obama had to make the tough decision to have Seals go in physically which carried the most risk. He could have just as easily used drones. However, by going in we were able to get Bin-Laden and dispose of the the body in such a manner as not to have a place for a shrine, we also could definitively identify the body, and lastly we were able to retrieve valuable information. Give credit where credit is due.

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                                #24.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:19 PM EDT
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                                Romney doesnt have the cajones to back down the teapugs and he wouldve done what!!!!!! His economic policies are from wonderland and now his foreign policy is from the land of bizarro

                                • 12 votes
                                Reply#25 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:50 PM EDT

                                right on "i need a paxil"!!

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                                #25.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:51 PM EDT

                                Correction Paxil, he has no economic plan...well not one that can be scored at any rate.

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                                #25.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:10 AM EDT
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