First Thoughts: The politics of bin Laden, one year later

DUE TO TECHNICAL ERROR, FIRST THOUGHTS WAS LATE PUBLISHING.

The bin Laden killing, one year later – how quickly things change … Republicans cry foul that Obama campaign is using the death as a reelection weapon … Foreign policy vs. the economy (it’s still the economy) … Is Obama the Warrior in Chief? … Another veep tryout – this time it’s Romney with New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte. … Gingrich to drop out Wednesday.

Believe it or not, tomorrow marks a year since Osama bin Laden was killed. We wrote then: “While it’s doubtful that Osama bin Laden’s death will have as long of a political impact [as 9/11] -- especially in this fast-changing, short-term memory media landscape -- it will surely shape the contours of next year’s presidential race. … Last night changes everything (for now), but we also know how quickly it can dissipate.” And dissipate it did. The president’s bump – for something that was as big a singular accomplishment that any president could have -- was short-lived, because of the economy and the debt-ceiling fight. It’s a reminder of just how important the economy is that the bump was never as big as it would have been under normal circumstances. (By the way, NBC’s Rock Center went inside the decision making of the killing of bin Laden. Brian Williams previewed his interview with the president on Meet the Press. The full show, with interviews of others that were in the room) airs Wednesday at 9:00 pm ET.

Caption: NBC's Domenico Montanaro discusses the politics of the one year anniversary of the Osama Bin Laden raid, and New Hampshire Senator Kelly Ayotte gets a look as a possible vice president for  Mitt Romney.

*** Playing politics: Republicans are crying foul at the Obama campaign’s touting of the killing (and using it in a campaign video charging that Mitt Romney might not have made the same call. There are two lines of attack: (1) Republicans are trying to minimize the accomplishment, saying anyone would have done it; and (2) They say he’s politicizing everything, including foreign policy. Ed Gillespie, an adviser to the Romney campaign and former Bush adviser said on Meet the Press: “This is one of the reasons President Obama has become one of the most divisive presidents in American history. He took something that was a unifying event … and he’s managed to turn it into a divisive, partisan, political attack. … I think most Americans will see it as a sign of a desperate campaign.” It’s fascinating to watch Democrats try to demagogue foreign policy, the way Republicans do and have done over the years (see Cheney, Dick in 2004). Republicans usually find themselves almost overreacting when Democrats go over the top in their foreign policy attacks. Count on some REALLY heated cable and Twitter rhetoric this week on this topic as the run-up to the bin Laden anniversary kicks in.

Saul Loeb / AFP - Getty Images

President Barack Obama speaks to troops at Third Infantry Division Headquarters at Fort Stewart in Hinesville, Georgia, on April 27, 2012, prior to Obama signing an Executive Order to protect them from deceptive targeting by educational institutions.

*** Warrior in Chief? The Romney campaign has pushed the issue of foreign policy, trying to paint Obama as weak and appeasing (especially when it comes to Iran). The GOP would have liked to paint the picture of Obama as a feckless, weak president, lacking strength. But despite the rhetoric, Obama’s foreign policy has been incredibly muscular. In fact, Peter Bergen of the New America Foundation in the New York Times Sunday Review provocatively casts President Obama as the “Warrior in chief,” ticking off several of Obama’s foreign-policy raids, killings, and use of drones. The death of bin Laden undercut any hopes Republicans had of being able to paint Obama as Jimmy Carter. And he makes the point of this disconnect: “Despite countervailing evidence, most conservatives view the president as some kind of peacenik. From both the right and left, there has been a continuing, dramatic cognitive disconnect between Mr. Obama’s record and the public perception of his leadership….” Make no mistake, had it failed, that’s exactly how he would have been portrayed. Bergen writes that if Romney runs a risk when criticizing Obama on foreign policy. If he tries to portray him as “a typical, weak-on-national-security Democrat,” then “he will very likely trap himself into calling for a war with Iran, which many Americans oppose.”

 

*** McCain as top foreign-policy attack dog: Taking the lead on the attack, though, is Sen. John McCain, Obama’s 2008 opponent (who also believes Obama hasn’t had courage to act in Syria). McCain, now a Romney surrogate, said Obama’s “diminishing the memory of September 11th,” and accused him of “doing a shameless end-zone dance.” It’s a fine line. McCain clearly doesn’t mind playing this role. He says things Romney couldn’t get away with and it’s something that’s quite beneficial to Romney. If Romney said what McCain did, Romney might get ridiculed. It’s an interesting role that McCain is willing to play. It could be a preview of the role McCain might play going forward in the campaign -- traditional role of VP, but on foreign policy. McCain doesn’t mind going personal with Obama, as he’s demonstrated since 2008. You can try to explain away McCain’s motives all you want, but it could be oddly effective for Romney.

USA Today's Susan Page, The Washington Post's Dan Balz, and The Chicago Tribune's Clarence Page discuss the Romney campaign's accusation that President Obama is politicizing the death of Osama Bin Laden.

*** STILL THE ECONOMY: But for all the talk of foreign policy and how much credit Obama deserves or whether or how he should be touting it, the most important issue this election – as it was a year ago -- remains the economy. It should be like a flashing red sign – IT’S THE ECONOMY, IT’S THE ECONOMY. Jobs will get a fresh look Friday when the latest report comes out. The unemployment rate has been essentially flat for three months. Even though the rate has come down from a high of 10.0%, if the rate continues to appear not to drop very much or the trajectory seems flat, that is going to be a problem for the incumbent president. Watch the trajectory; it will tell you the whole ballgame.

*** Another veep tryout: Today’s another veep tryout with Romney and New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte at 10:50 am ET. Though she’s been a senator for just two years, Ayotte served as New Hampshire’s attorney general (she was appointed by Republican Craig Benson in 2003 and RE-appointed by a Democratic governor). The Republican Party’s problems with women have been well documented over the last few months. If Romney is going to pick a woman, the most serious candidate is likely Ayotte. That is, aside from Condoleezza Rice if she wants it, and there’s no indication she does. But the shadow of Palin still looms large over the GOP pick, and the Romney team may be more risk averse because of it. But as GOP 12’s Heinze wrote last week: “Sarah Palin didn't prove that picking a woman doesn't help with women. Palin was simply the wrong woman.” (By the way, over the weekend, NBC’s Alex Moe reported that Newt Gingrich would officially drop out Wednesday.)

*** Obama fundraises with Clinton: There were a couple striking things at the fundraiser with President Clinton this weekend at the home of Terry McAuliffe: (1) How little Romney was mentioned. After a weekend and week of going after Romney personally, last night was more in line with where the Obama campaign was when this campaign first started -- go after the entire GOP. It was more the theme of -- they want to take you back, it’s their failed economic policies on steroids, not the party of Abe Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt; it’s not their Republican Party. (2) This was not an ordinary Obama fundraiser speech. Here, he was trying to follow one of the Democratic Party’s best economic communicators. Obama knew he was on friendly turf, but not the friendliest turf, as he was trying to appeal to Clinton people. One Democratic source who is more of a member of Team Clinton than Team Obama described last night as kind of like a “first date” between Clinton and Obama; For the first time, this person could actually see the two of them starting to bond; It took a while for Clinton to get over 2008 but so far, things have gone well in this courtship. Two more Obama-Clinton fundraisers to go; New York and PROBABLY Hollywood.

*** A way to bring up Seamus: Don’t overlook the fact that the White House used the opportunity of the White House Correspondents Dinner -- when they knew they’d get lighter coverage for what they did – put a story that they’ve struggled to put into the mainstream, quietly trying to do for months, the Seamus story. It was frankly a way to get Seamus out there. Yes, Obama made fun of himself and eating dog, but they’ll take that to get the Seamus story mainlined; They’ve been trying for months.

** Waiting on Lugar’s fate: There are just eight days until the Indiana Senate primary that could see the ouster of the most senior Republican in the Senate. AP today wonders whether Richard Lugar waited too long to brand his opponent. On Friday, the 2008 GOP presidential ticket split its endorsement – John McCain endorsed Lugar; Sarah Palin endorsed his challenger and Tea Party favorite, state Treasurer Richard Mourdock. Mitt Romney said he was staying out of it. A poll aligned with Mourdock showed him up 44-39% Thursday. The Fort Wayne Journal Gazette headline: “Hundreds cheer Mourdock at city rally.” The rally was organized by Tea Party Express, which has played a big role in this race.

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The GOP is bankrupt both philosophically and morally. They need to go suck an egg.

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Reply#56 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

If any woman could vote for romney, they should be ashamed. This man is creepy, and I don't understand how they feel the way they do over BinLaden being killed. The man murdered over 3000 of our innocent citizens. this man was not caught on a pub watch. But I guess we have to put up with this crap until after the election.

I think we should do this: we get three weeks to listen to the canidates, and then we vote, the government pays for the election out of our taxes, does not matter who is rich or not so rich. that would take care of the super packs, the Tparty, and anyone else that is crooked. We would not be having billion dollar elections.

  • 4 votes
Reply#57 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

It's amazing how many idiots like u are out there

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#57.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:38 AM EDT
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OK so the as holes of the fourth reich wing bring all this crap up and then when it is thrown back in their face they whine like a typical retardican.

  • 4 votes
Reply#58 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

Shocking!!!! The GOP doesn't like something that President Obama did or said!!! They've always been so reasonable and fair in the past! I'll say it again, I can't believe I used to be a republican.

  • 6 votes
Reply#59 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

I feel the exact same way. I changed my mind standing in the fire station ready to vote in 2008. That addition to the ticket of that awful creature from Alaska did it for me. But once I let go of the Republican Party I have come every aspect of the Republican Party as genuinely evil. They must never be allowed back into the White House.

  • 4 votes
#59.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:38 AM EDT
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I love the delusion of the right, gee I recall that when King George was in office him the GOP and Guilliani nearly tattooed 911 acorss their forheads. It was "your with us or against us" wanted posters, playing cards, invasion, when Bush was asked about Bin Laden he said "I don't really give him much thought". OK so the guy that pulled off 911 didn't get much thought from the GOP. In 2008 President Obama clearly stated "If we have actionable intellegence that there is a high value target in Pakistan, we will take the measures necessary". So he gives and order and our Brave Seals go in and finish off the despot. Now the GOP would rather not talk about it again. Must be too painful since it wasn't a big priority for them, after all their chest beating to be overshadowed by the Obama Administration and Seals.

  • 3 votes
Reply#60 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

Don't politicians politicize everything?

That's why we call them politicians - not problem solvers, or critical thinkers.

  • 3 votes
Reply#61 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

Maybe the GOP is upset because this "Mission Accomplished" - actually was!

  • 5 votes
Reply#62 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

Give him a break......he only has one accomplishment to brag about......let him feed his ego some.

  • 2 votes
Reply#63 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

He also stopped the country sinking into the deep depression that Bush had steered us into and saving the auto industry while he was at it.

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#63.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:40 AM EDT

The recovery would be better without his policies.....

The auto industry would have survived regardless........what Obama did was alter the bankruptcy so the UAW would ber paid off more than if under a normal bankruptcy/restructure. Like every airline has gone through. He put the government on the hookj more than he needed to......just to reward the UAW. He saved the UAW not GM.....GM was not going away.

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#63.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:47 AM EDT

GVC,

That's the funniest post I've read on Newsvine EVER! Thanks for the laugh!

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#63.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:49 AM EDT

I don't know there Tim ....have you been reading "1 Hirams"?

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#63.4 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:51 AM EDT

Why Timmy can't read . . . . .

    #63.5 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:11 PM EDT

    We will try to talk down on yourl level next time so you can keep up......sorry.

      #63.6 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:34 PM EDT
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      I have always believed that Bush never wanted to catch Bin Ladin. He was worth far more political capital alive than dead for Bush.

      The Republicans are only upset that they can not deny that the killing of Bin Ladin was an undeniable success. So they instead choose to accuse Obama of bragging.

      I think that McCain would probably be the best choice Romney could make for a VP. He's generally liked by independent voters and he has fallen into lock step with the party line of late.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#64 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

      The Republicans politicized Osama and 9/11 ever since the event itself.

      This crying is completely hypocritical.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#65 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

      Dubya actually thought that he had ended the war on that aircraft carrier,afterall he stated that Bin Laden was no longer a threat,so he wasn't, was he?Dubya thought he just had to state something and it was so.I mean yesterday Alex Castelanos stated that women weren't being discriminated against in regards to the wages that they are being paid so I guess that makes it so right?I thought that Alex Castelanos was very rude and disrespectful in the way he treated Rachel Maddow.I am sure that she will have a lot to say about that tonight.I think Rachel was caught off guard by Mr.Castelanos's statements and I am sure she will research his statements and have rebuttal for his statements.The Republicans are very skilled at attacking from an unexpected point and catching people off guard.The Republicans are also very skilled at denying their involvement in a point of view that is unpopular and then switching their statements to make it sound like they never had the wrong point of view.

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      Reply#66 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

      Republicans: spawn of Adolph Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, etc. Agents of Satan. Champions of the rich and soul-less corporations. Enemies of working people, women, and just about everything else that makes America great.

      OK, we got it!!!!

      Obama / Biden in 2012

      • 2 votes
      Reply#67 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

      I love it when the liberal left creeps out an opines on morning blogs since a little comedy with my coffee is always nice. OF COURSE Obama is milking the OBL raid, it's one of the few decisions he got right in the last 3+ years. Ron in Indiana gets my vote today for the most articulate opiner of twisted facts on the net, since it's pretty easy to figure out who is for what. One group of people is for rewriting the Constitution, voiding the Bill of Rights, supporting immorality, eroding religion, enhancing socialism, pushing big government, avoiding fiscal responsibility, implementing class warfare, captializng on racial divisiveness, and generally destroying the socio-cultural fabric that this country was founded on. The other folks - read most Republicans and Conservatives are for exactly the opposite. Don't make me laugh about social security. What party was in office when social security was extended beyond it's original intent? What party voted to move social security into the General Fund so they could steal from it at will? What party voted to freeze social security COLA's for 2009-2010? What party continues to use fear tactics to sell the idea that Republicans/Conservatives will stop SSA, destroy Medicare, make students pay for their own education (what a novel idea), and reduce the welfare beneftis of folks that pay nothing into our country (illegals etc.). Can you guess? It's that party with a jackass as a mascot. How fitting. Love the comedy Ron and Amy, keep it up.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#68 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

      All this tells me is that the Republicans are still a hypocritical joke...

      • 3 votes
      Reply#69 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:32 AM EDT

      MSNBC slogan: " Lean Forward"

      Obama reelection slogan: "Forward"

      Credibility of MSNBC: "Leaning close to Zero"

      • 1 vote
      Reply#70 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:33 AM EDT

      You better check in with the home office Bob....this post was weaker then most of the weak posts you put up!

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      #70.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:44 AM EDT
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      Given that the Bush administration politicized 911 for seven years to scare us all into supporting him, I think reminding us that Obama took out the enemy that caused it seems perfectly appropriate.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#71 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:33 AM EDT

      Facts Democrats supported the wars. More military members have died in Afghanistan under Obama's watch, The wars continues with a smaller contingency in Iraq. Code Pink has disappeared why because he is a Democrat, hey Code Pink troops are still dying?

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      #71.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:40 AM EDT
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      Why do news organizations give legs to childish hypocrites? This is not news. This is part of the problem. MSNBC should know propaganda when it sees it. GOP would be walking down the convention isle with head on a stick! This is laughable and an obvious ploy to minimize a great accomplishment left undone by the GOP.

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      Reply#72 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:33 AM EDT

      "This is not news"....

      But "Mission Accomplished" was?

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      #72.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:46 AM EDT
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      Obama got lucky and they found OBL . If there was a republican president with military experience, like Sen. Mcain, he would have been killed years ago.And we porobably wouldnt be sending huge cash handouts to the democrat bankers.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#73 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

      Not a very factual post.

      I believe GWB & Co. HAD years to try and find Osama and didn't get it done - instead they split their focus and attacked Iraq.

      GWB is also responsible for the Wall St./bank bailout and most bankers are Republicans.........

      • 5 votes
      #73.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:41 AM EDT

      Man-o-man, do you really believe what you're writing. No facts at all... Just because you're against the current President, doesn't mean you can see reality. Wake Up Please.....

      • 2 votes
      #73.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:46 AM EDT

      Qoutient

      "Military President like McCain"...

      Had McCain known where Bin Laden was he probably would have let everyone know....

      Old "songbird" has a history of not being so good with secrets!

      • 3 votes
      #73.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:48 AM EDT

      McCain would have been a horrible President. He is in the Senate wantingothers to vote to send troops to Iran for Israel. Thank God McCain lost. Hopefully Romney will lose by larger numbers.

      • 2 votes
      #73.4 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:03 PM EDT
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      All this really points up to what pussies we have become---all of us. in my day, (i was an original green beret) a lowly commander in the field would have made that decision---and OSAMA would have been gone long before

      • 1 vote
      Reply#74 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

      Really?

      1. a lowly commander would have ordered the strike without informing the Paksitan govt.....bull sh*t!

      2. why didn't any of the lowly commanders in the field take action at Tora Bora when OBL was there?

      as a vet I appreciate your service.....

      • 1 vote
      #74.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:16 PM EDT

      2. why didn't any of the lowly commanders in the field take action at Tora Bora when OBL was there?

      As bin Laden set about preparing for a U.S. maneuver that never came, Gary Berntsen’s team remained on his trail. Several days after arriving in Jalalabad, the group moved into a schoolhouse in the foothills near Tora Bora, which they used as a base. Berntsen’s sources on the ground continued to tell him that bin Laden was in the area.

      At the end of November, the team of eight decided to split into two groups of four, one of which would head farther into the mountains with ten Afghan fighters as guides. The team’s members included an Air Force combat controller who specialized in calling in airstrikes, and they took with them a laser capable of “painting” targets with a signal that U.S. bombers could then lock onto. The expedition was delayed when a poorly packed RPG carried on a mule blew up, killing two of the Afghan guides. Finally, the group reached a mountaintop from which it could see several hundred of bin Laden’s men arrayed below. For the following 56 hours straight, the team called in airstrikes from all of the bombers available in theater.

      Berntsen had not asked anyone for permission to begin the battle of Tora Bora. About 24 hours after the airstrikes had begun, Berntsen’s supervisor, Hank Crumpton, head of counterterrorism special operations at the CIA, called him and asked, “Are you conducting a battle in Tora Bora?” Not quite knowing what his boss’s reaction might be, Berntsen simply said, “Yes.” Crumpton replied, “Congratulations! Good job!”

      http://www.tnr.com/article/the-battle-tora-bora?page=0,1

        #74.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:50 PM EDT
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        One group of people is for rewriting the Constitution, voiding the Bill of Rights, supporting immorality, eroding religion, enhancing socialism, pushing big government, avoiding fiscal responsibility, implementing class warfare, captializng on racial divisiveness, and generally destroying the socio-cultural fabric that this country was founded on."

        I've never heard a more well-put statement that completely describes and captures the essence of the Republican party. This is the GOP...

        • 3 votes
        Reply#75 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:35 AM EDT

        When is Obama going to release the pictures of him posing with the body of Osama? Or is he saving that for the fall surprise. Just asking

        • 2 votes
        Reply#76 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:35 AM EDT

        Ignorance breeds Ignorance! Now wake up and smell the coffee you're brewing! You may like it, but it stinks!!!

        • 2 votes
        #76.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:37 AM EDT

        Arianna Criticizes Obama Over Bin Laden Ad
        Appearing on 'CBS This Morning', she said, "Using the Osama bin Laden assassination, killing, the great news that we had a year ago, in order to say basically that Obama did it and Romney might not have done it ... to turn it into a campaign ad is one of the most despicable things you can do."

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/arianna-obama-bin-laden-romney-ad_b_1464156.html

          #76.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:34 PM EDT
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          The Republican party has all their eggs in one basket. And they believe the American People are stupid enough to follow them... Conservative thinking Never wants Change!

          Too bad the Republicans are too ignorant to see, that their actions over the last 4 years has exposed their old beliefs and unchangeable thinking! Most of them are out the door, and they know it......

          God Bless America as we embrace Morale Change!!!

          • 5 votes
          Reply#77 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:35 AM EDT

          The Republicans and Romney can surly dish it out but can't take it when it comes back to them

          Had the mission been a failure their first claim would be how the President is a failure at commander in chief. The economy would come second.

          They're pissed becuase they can't use it against Obama. I say too bad.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#78 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:35 AM EDT

          For eight years, the GOP waved the boogy man in my face, basically telling me another 9/11 was on the way if I voted for a democrat. Anyone who stood up and question the Iraq war and Afghanistan ( which I supported somewhat ) was labeled anti American and being against the troops. Now ten years later because of the billions we spend on this, and no questions being asked we are BROKE!!!!! To call the GOP conservative is stupid. Conservative means spending money better more wisely being smart. Not stop spending let everything rot. Never have I ever been so against the GOP. They are anti American and a disgrace. Can we tell today's GOP to go back where they came from?

          • 3 votes
          Reply#79 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:36 AM EDT

          I agree with you Lavb54741, Conservative has a totally different description than what's being lived out from our GOP. I wouldn't bow down to their level to send them back, but I'll show them how strong I am by not letting their actions dictate my vote. They're out of here!!!!

          America can do better, and the GOP definitely isn't showing they care about this country!

          Much Luv My Friend!!!

          • 2 votes
          #79.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:42 AM EDT

          Last time I checked we are still at war 3 1/2 years later dude and more troops have died in Afghanistan under Obama's watch then Bush's watch, where is your Code Pink hiding oops forgot he's a Democrat so it's OK

          • 2 votes
          #79.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:43 AM EDT

          VIKNAT acting blind.......... When reading the history books, you only read what you agree with, and dismiss the rest... Tell the whole story.... Then others will listen... ;-)

          • 1 vote
          #79.3 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:48 AM EDT
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          Let's see... "Way to go Brownie", "Mission Accomplished"..... sound familiar GOP. Only difference if Obama did it, Bush and the GOP just talked. Eat your heart our GOP!

          • 4 votes
          Reply#80 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:36 AM EDT

          Obama did what?? Said "go"? Hmmmm. Can't think of a SINGLE former President that would've said, "no."

          • 1 vote
          #80.1 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:53 AM EDT

          Yes, George W. Bush. In fact, he did say no. Now, wipe the egg of your face Tim.

          • 2 votes
          #80.2 - Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:26 PM EDT
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