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The bin Laden killing, one year later – how quickly things change … Republicans cry foul that Obama campaign is using the death as a reelection weapon … Foreign policy vs. the economy (it’s still the economy) … Is Obama the Warrior in Chief? … Another veep tryout – this time it’s Romney with New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte. … Gingrich to drop out Wednesday.
Believe it or not, tomorrow marks a year since Osama bin Laden was killed. We wrote then: “While it’s doubtful that Osama bin Laden’s death will have as long of a political impact [as 9/11] -- especially in this fast-changing, short-term memory media landscape -- it will surely shape the contours of next year’s presidential race. … Last night changes everything (for now), but we also know how quickly it can dissipate.” And dissipate it did. The president’s bump – for something that was as big a singular accomplishment that any president could have -- was short-lived, because of the economy and the debt-ceiling fight. It’s a reminder of just how important the economy is that the bump was never as big as it would have been under normal circumstances. (By the way, NBC’s Rock Center went inside the decision making of the killing of bin Laden. Brian Williams previewed his interview with the president on Meet the Press. The full show, with interviews of others that were in the room) airs Wednesday at 9:00 pm ET.
Caption: NBC's Domenico Montanaro discusses the politics of the one year anniversary of the Osama Bin Laden raid, and New Hampshire Senator Kelly Ayotte gets a look as a possible vice president for Mitt Romney.
*** Playing politics: Republicans are crying foul at the Obama campaign’s touting of the killing (and using it in a campaign video charging that Mitt Romney might not have made the same call. There are two lines of attack: (1) Republicans are trying to minimize the accomplishment, saying anyone would have done it; and (2) They say he’s politicizing everything, including foreign policy. Ed Gillespie, an adviser to the Romney campaign and former Bush adviser said on Meet the Press: “This is one of the reasons President Obama has become one of the most divisive presidents in American history. He took something that was a unifying event … and he’s managed to turn it into a divisive, partisan, political attack. … I think most Americans will see it as a sign of a desperate campaign.” It’s fascinating to watch Democrats try to demagogue foreign policy, the way Republicans do and have done over the years (see Cheney, Dick in 2004). Republicans usually find themselves almost overreacting when Democrats go over the top in their foreign policy attacks. Count on some REALLY heated cable and Twitter rhetoric this week on this topic as the run-up to the bin Laden anniversary kicks in.
Saul Loeb / AFP - Getty Images
President Barack Obama speaks to troops at Third Infantry Division Headquarters at Fort Stewart in Hinesville, Georgia, on April 27, 2012, prior to Obama signing an Executive Order to protect them from deceptive targeting by educational institutions.
*** Warrior in Chief? The Romney campaign has pushed the issue of foreign policy, trying to paint Obama as weak and appeasing (especially when it comes to Iran). The GOP would have liked to paint the picture of Obama as a feckless, weak president, lacking strength. But despite the rhetoric, Obama’s foreign policy has been incredibly muscular. In fact, Peter Bergen of the New America Foundation in the New York Times Sunday Review provocatively casts President Obama as the “Warrior in chief,” ticking off several of Obama’s foreign-policy raids, killings, and use of drones. The death of bin Laden undercut any hopes Republicans had of being able to paint Obama as Jimmy Carter. And he makes the point of this disconnect: “Despite countervailing evidence, most conservatives view the president as some kind of peacenik. From both the right and left, there has been a continuing, dramatic cognitive disconnect between Mr. Obama’s record and the public perception of his leadership….” Make no mistake, had it failed, that’s exactly how he would have been portrayed. Bergen writes that if Romney runs a risk when criticizing Obama on foreign policy. If he tries to portray him as “a typical, weak-on-national-security Democrat,” then “he will very likely trap himself into calling for a war with Iran, which many Americans oppose.”
*** McCain as top foreign-policy attack dog: Taking the lead on the attack, though, is Sen. John McCain, Obama’s 2008 opponent (who also believes Obama hasn’t had courage to act in Syria). McCain, now a Romney surrogate, said Obama’s “diminishing the memory of September 11th,” and accused him of “doing a shameless end-zone dance.” It’s a fine line. McCain clearly doesn’t mind playing this role. He says things Romney couldn’t get away with and it’s something that’s quite beneficial to Romney. If Romney said what McCain did, Romney might get ridiculed. It’s an interesting role that McCain is willing to play. It could be a preview of the role McCain might play going forward in the campaign -- traditional role of VP, but on foreign policy. McCain doesn’t mind going personal with Obama, as he’s demonstrated since 2008. You can try to explain away McCain’s motives all you want, but it could be oddly effective for Romney.
USA Today's Susan Page, The Washington Post's Dan Balz, and The Chicago Tribune's Clarence Page discuss the Romney campaign's accusation that President Obama is politicizing the death of Osama Bin Laden.
*** STILL THE ECONOMY: But for all the talk of foreign policy and how much credit Obama deserves or whether or how he should be touting it, the most important issue this election – as it was a year ago -- remains the economy. It should be like a flashing red sign – IT’S THE ECONOMY, IT’S THE ECONOMY. Jobs will get a fresh look Friday when the latest report comes out. The unemployment rate has been essentially flat for three months. Even though the rate has come down from a high of 10.0%, if the rate continues to appear not to drop very much or the trajectory seems flat, that is going to be a problem for the incumbent president. Watch the trajectory; it will tell you the whole ballgame.
*** Another veep tryout: Today’s another veep tryout with Romney and New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte at 10:50 am ET. Though she’s been a senator for just two years, Ayotte served as New Hampshire’s attorney general (she was appointed by Republican Craig Benson in 2003 and RE-appointed by a Democratic governor). The Republican Party’s problems with women have been well documented over the last few months. If Romney is going to pick a woman, the most serious candidate is likely Ayotte. That is, aside from Condoleezza Rice if she wants it, and there’s no indication she does. But the shadow of Palin still looms large over the GOP pick, and the Romney team may be more risk averse because of it. But as GOP 12’s Heinze wrote last week: “Sarah Palin didn't prove that picking a woman doesn't help with women. Palin was simply the wrong woman.” (By the way, over the weekend, NBC’s Alex Moe reported that Newt Gingrich would officially drop out Wednesday.)
*** Obama fundraises with Clinton: There were a couple striking things at the fundraiser with President Clinton this weekend at the home of Terry McAuliffe: (1) How little Romney was mentioned. After a weekend and week of going after Romney personally, last night was more in line with where the Obama campaign was when this campaign first started -- go after the entire GOP. It was more the theme of -- they want to take you back, it’s their failed economic policies on steroids, not the party of Abe Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt; it’s not their Republican Party. (2) This was not an ordinary Obama fundraiser speech. Here, he was trying to follow one of the Democratic Party’s best economic communicators. Obama knew he was on friendly turf, but not the friendliest turf, as he was trying to appeal to Clinton people. One Democratic source who is more of a member of Team Clinton than Team Obama described last night as kind of like a “first date” between Clinton and Obama; For the first time, this person could actually see the two of them starting to bond; It took a while for Clinton to get over 2008 but so far, things have gone well in this courtship. Two more Obama-Clinton fundraisers to go; New York and PROBABLY Hollywood.
*** A way to bring up Seamus: Don’t overlook the fact that the White House used the opportunity of the White House Correspondents Dinner -- when they knew they’d get lighter coverage for what they did – put a story that they’ve struggled to put into the mainstream, quietly trying to do for months, the Seamus story. It was frankly a way to get Seamus out there. Yes, Obama made fun of himself and eating dog, but they’ll take that to get the Seamus story mainlined; They’ve been trying for months.
** Waiting on Lugar’s fate: There are just eight days until the Indiana Senate primary that could see the ouster of the most senior Republican in the Senate. AP today wonders whether Richard Lugar waited too long to brand his opponent. On Friday, the 2008 GOP presidential ticket split its endorsement – John McCain endorsed Lugar; Sarah Palin endorsed his challenger and Tea Party favorite, state Treasurer Richard Mourdock. Mitt Romney said he was staying out of it. A poll aligned with Mourdock showed him up 44-39% Thursday. The Fort Wayne Journal Gazette headline: “Hundreds cheer Mourdock at city rally.” The rally was organized by Tea Party Express, which has played a big role in this race.
Countdown to Indiana Senate/Wisconsin recall primaries: 8
Countdown to Wisconsin recall election: 36
Countdown to Election Day: 190 days
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I'm first! Re-elect Obama/Biden 2012!
ha ha!
BIN LADEN'S DEATH HAS CHANGED THE WORLD.
Remember how we were all being scared to death for so long?
No, It is not just about 're-shaping political contours'.
REMEMBER!
REMEMBER!
Anyone watch 60 minutes last night?
What Are You For?
What a person supports and believes says a lot about a person. So let's take a brief look at what Republicans are for. Certainly their voting record is for big business, oil companies, financial institutions, and wealthy entrepreneurs. They would like to believe that these are the people who are the job creators, ignoring the fact that large corporations keep their tax breaks and small businesses hire the majority of employees.
Conservatives are for the Ryan budget which decimates the social safety net of Social Security and Medicare. What amazes me is the Evangelical Christians who believe "…what you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me…" are willing to turn their backs on Biblical teachings to support the conservative ideology.
But perhaps it is more telling who the Republicans are against. Clearly they are opposed to immigrants; Romney is into self-deportation, which is a fancy way of saying "Go back to where you came from. You are not welcome here." And assuming you are here legally, we don't want you to vote, and we conservatives will make it as hard as possible to prevent you from voting.
Regardless of Speaker Boehner's faux outrage, Republicans continue to engage in a war on women. Last Friday the House bill to continue the rate of student loans was willing to remove health care benefits for women instead of closing a corporate tax loophole. Republicans did not vote for the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Republicans on a state level have attacked women's reproductive rights. There is no question that the war on women does exist and there will be consequences in the November election.
Republicans give tax breaks to the wealthy while increasing the taxes on the middle class and poor. It's a lot easier to see who they are against than who they are for: If you are students wanting a good education, women working to earn equal pay and keep your reproductive rights, immigrants who are seeking the American dream, and middle-class Americans who are trying to make ends meet, it's time to pay attention. Republicans are not working for your best interests or the best interests of America.
And had it gone badly, the GOP would be all over it during this election. The dishonesty and lack of integrity by the GOP is appalling.
Alex Castellanos yesterday showed exactly how little the GOP thinks of women. His constant interrupting of Rachel Maddow, then talking down to her typifies the GOPs attitudes toward women. And, his outright lies were amazing.
Obama/Biden 2012
Kim Strassel’s Friday WSJ Potomac Watch column had an interesting subject to explore covering the extreme lengths Barry’s re-election campaign will go to in order to get him a second term. It’s frightening:
Some excerpts:
Strassel: The President Has a List
Barack Obama attempts to intimidate contributors to Mitt Romney's campaign.
Try this thought experiment: You decide to donate money to Mitt Romney. You want change in the Oval Office, so you engage in your democratic right to send a check.
Several days later, President Barack Obama, the most powerful man on the planet, singles you out by name. His campaign brands you a Romney donor, shames you for "betting against America," and accuses you of having a "less-than-reputable" record. The message from the man who controls the Justice Department (which can indict you), the SEC (which can fine you), and the IRS (which can audit you), is clear: You made a mistake donating that money.
Are you worried?
Richard Nixon's "enemies list" appalled the country for the simple reason that presidents hold a unique trust. Unlike senators or congressmen, presidents alone represent all Americans. Their powers—to jail, to fine, to bankrupt—are also so vast as to require restraint. Any president who targets a private citizen for his politics is de facto engaged in government intimidation and threats. This is why presidents since Nixon have carefully avoided the practice.
Save Mr. Obama, who acknowledges no rules. This past week, one of his campaign websites posted an item entitled "Behind the curtain: A brief history of Romney's donors." In the post, the Obama campaign named and shamed eight private citizens who had donated to his opponent. Describing the givers as all having "less-than-reputable records," the post went on to make the extraordinary accusations that "quite a few" have also been "on the wrong side of the law" and profiting at "the expense of so many Americans."
These are people like Paul Schorr and Sam and Jeffrey Fox, investors who the site outed for the crime of having "outsourced" jobs. T. Martin Fiorentino is scored for his work for a firm that forecloses on homes. Louis Bacon (a hedge-fund manager), Kent Burton (a "lobbyist") and Thomas O'Malley (an energy CEO) stand accused of profiting from oil. Frank VanderSloot, the CEO of a home-products firm, is slimed as a "bitter foe of the gay rights movement."
These are wealthy individuals, to be sure, but private citizens nonetheless. Not one holds elected office. Not one is a criminal. Not one has the barest fraction of the position or the power of the U.S. leader who is publicly assaulting them.
The Obama campaign has justified any action on the grounds that it has a right to "hold the eventual Republican nominee accountable," but this is a dodge. Politics is rough, but a president has obligations that transcend those of a candidate. He swore an oath to protect and defend a Constitution that gives every American the right to partake in democracy, free of fear of government intimidation or disfavored treatment. If Mr. Obama isn't going to act like a president, he bolsters the argument that he doesn't deserve to be one.
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BTW, Jimmy Kimmel gets the award for best line at the WHCD:
"Remember when the country rallied around you in hopes of a better tomorrow? That was hilarious."
I have to admit I find the idea that a dog on the roof of a car is somehow less acceptable than eating one confusing to say the least. It's like 60 Minutes last night as the interviewer tried to make the case that torture is more unethical than killing someone with a drone.
How about we agree that torture and killing someone with a drone, when you are not officially at war with that country, are equally unethical.
And can we please stop talking about dogs.
Amy,
You might have to change that to Obama/Clinton.
How quickly the tea people Koch republicans forget how for 7 years they used the attack on 911 on a daily bases for political gain. How they touted the capture of Saddam 24/7 for political gain and then how they used Saddam's hanging for political gain and every time they killed or captured anyone they used it for political gain. These tea people Koch republican have to be the biggest hypocrites in history. Just goes to show they have nothing to run on.
I am still waiting to hear how Democrats propose to "save" medicare. So far the President claims that by "taxing the rich a little more" is enough. This was put into legislation, the Buffet rule, that will produce 5B a year more in revenue. So is the President claiming that medicare can be saved by 5B a year more in revenue?
SS, which is already running a 40B deficit, runs out in 2033. When recipients receive a 25% cut in benefits will you consider that a decimation?
What is the Democrats plan?
Please back up this preposterous statement with some facts or links. When has any politician of either side called for legal immigrants to self-deport? What actions have Conservative taken to prevent legal immigrants from voting?
Your statement is a bare-faced lie.
White House Correspondents Dinner
Hey, I'm with my cool, handsome, intelligent President who can relate to people on every realm.
After being asked what would happen a second term, the president joked to the glee of the audience in attendance
"In my first term, I sang Al Green; in my second term, I’m going with Young Jeezy,"
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Young Jeezy original clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9sABRosdNg&feature=youtu.be
(Remix) - Jay-Z, Young Jeezy, & Nas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk4ggD_01E4&feature=related
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I wonder how many of those stiffs @ the FOX table got it besides the Kardashians or knew who Young Jeezy was? I'm almost sure the Black Conservatives didn't know.
How about that Fast & Furious joke? It was hilarious nobody but the FOX NOISE table got it. Ha Ha hee hee. That's because they are the only ones talking about this fake obsesssion of theirs.
They just don't have a fast car. The slow people are @ FOX.
Maybe I should shoot this over to FOX.
Haters gotta hate. ☺
and don't forget Rudy "a noun, a verb and 9/11" Giuliani.....nah....he wouldn't politicize 9/11.......NOT........
GNOP - "THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"!
Ron, terrific post to start out the week. We have tried the GOP trickle-down mentality, it failed miserably and the final failure occurred in 2008 when the entire economy collapsed as a result of greed, de-regulation, starving government. Anyone who bothers to look at the facts, the charts regarding income growth and where it actually took place over the last 30 years would understand that conservative policies have only benefits those who already have.
To be critical of all the Republican plans. That, and to tell fairy tales about all the wonderful things they (the Democrats) will do for the next four years, just like they did in 2008. We see how that worked out, not so good.
I think if the Democrats had a super-secret plan, it would be for everyone to win Powerball.
Ron, great this morn,
Rachel Maddow said to top GOP strategist Castellano this am:
“It’s about policy and whether or not you want to fix some of the structural discrimination that women really do face that Republicans don’t believe is happening."
Castellanos responded: "It is about policy and I love how passionate you are. I wish you were as right about what you’re saying as you are passionate about it. I really do."
MADDOW: "That’s really condescending. This is a stylistic issue. My passion on this issue is actually me making a factual argument on it."
Wow, the Talking Head GOP really are INCAPABLE of making a factual argument. Talk about blatantly anti-women across the board.
What is really interesting, is how they think they'll get away with it. Maybe for them it does not matter.
Backhouse - the GOP has nothing to offer women. Notice they sent a man to put Maddow down - they believe they are superior to all women. It was really a pathetic example of how the GOP treats women. But, it was out there for all to see. Clearly intelligent, strong women are not going to vote GOP in November.
Obama/Biden
*GASP*
How DARE they???
Anyone else remember the Bush/Cheney team resurrecting Osama bin Laden the week before the 2004 election to scare the sh!t out of the country?
No politics there... lol
Mission Accomplished: A look back at the media's fawning coverage of Bush's premature declaration of victory in Iraq.
Conservatives Are Still Masters Of The Delusion Sphere
In 2004 George W. Bush was lauded to the skies by the national press, continuing the honeymoon of post-9/11 worshipful press that extended on to the “popular wartime leader” mantra the media adopted after Bush invaded Iraq.
Who can forget this?????
Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version)
Remember, this is just SIX MONTHS after 9/11. In response to a reporters question, President Bush tells the world that he is "truly not that concerned" with catching the man who murdered 3,000 Americans just six months and two days earlier because "we've marginalized him."
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Hell Yea, our really cool, handsome, President Obama can talk about bin Laden and his other accomplishments because he is not lying to the American public. He got him!!!
Bush had a chance to get bin Laden when bin Laden was in Tora Bora in Afghanistan. Just remember, GW Bush didn't care because he and his war profiteer buddies were so hot on getting the oil and lucrative contacts in Iraq to enhance their assets.
Notice, Bush said he didn't care and that bin laden was marginalized.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
http://www.oliverwillis.com/
Feisty,
As if GOP/Koch wouldn't check off off-ing Laden, as an 'Accomplishment' with a very big A.
Spin? And isn't this being purposely distorted/misreported?
At the Correspondents' Dinnerb on Saturday, the President's lead-in was something about "Our most notorious threat"...
And the punchline was a photo of TRUMP --- not Bin Laden.
Feisty:
And remember the Bush campaign commercial from 2004 when there was the clip of the firefighters bringing down the body of that dead fire chaplain, with a flag draped over the stretcher, from the rubble of WTC??? It outraged the entire country and was withdrawn. THAT wasnt politicizing 911 was it??? :P Seems to me that the President has every right to use one of his great accomplishments which bush couldnt do in 7 years! Methinks the GOP are desperate, knowing it all could be coming apart much worse than 2008!
Alan in NJ - no, not a lie - you are just woefully uninformed. Couldn't stand to see the repubs debate maybe?
Romney did use the term self-deportation - amazingly. The man is delusional. Here is just one of the many, many links to it.
Can't blame them for giving Willard, the most flawed GNOP in history, a 'leg up'!
The MSM has to try to portray this race as being 'close'! lol
Tom,NH;
Oh, I couldn't agree more - if it wasn't for double standards the GNOP wouldn't have any!
Have I mentioned how much I am enjoying watching the last train to Beckistan derail? lol
If we had dressed up Obama in a Navy flight suit and flown him onto an American Super Carrier and then had him give a self congratulatory speech in front of a "Mission Accomplished" sign, none of this would be happening. After all the republicans can easily relate to that kind of bare-assed political exploitation and would certainly have no problems with this ad.
I think that we should play a tape of a crying baby behind every republican speech regarding this issue. That's all they are: a bunch of squalling crybabies.
Feisty,
This kind of misrepresentation is YUKKY.
@BB48
Did he use in relation to LEGAL immigrants? Please check before you try and post your link again.
Let's see a young candidate for president said that he would get Osama where ever he was hiding and he was lambastered for it. His administration went and got Osama and now his administration should not use it as political leverage? Oh man the GOP is so fricking two faced. They would use it to their advantage as should anyone party in power. Get over it GOP.
So the Republicans don't think it should be mentioned that Bush/Cheney started a war against the wrong country and couldn't find Bin Laden (the mastermind behind the 9/11 attack) in 7 years, despite raising a huge "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner on the aircraft carrier for their photo-op. And they don't think it should be mentioned that President Obama found him and killed him within a year and 4 months of taking office. Bet they don't! Guess they also don't think it should be mentioned that he got our soldiers out of Iraq (despite Cheney's statement that he rigged it so we'd be stuck there for the next 100 years) and brought our economy back from the brink of the second worst depression our nation has ever faced despite their obstructionist tactics. Yep, bet they don't want that stuff brought up either. The upcoming presidential and congressional elections come down to one thing. Do we want the Republicans to have another shot at destroying our nation and turning our middle-class citizens into homeless slaves for the super rich or do we want to go back to having a nation for the people and by the people?
Exactly, Feisty:
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
'...They (those nasty Dems) are using our strategies better than us and more effective than us, so it's just not FAIR!'
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Get over it, losers (GOPers)! John McCain tapped around saying throughout his campaign that he "knew where bin Laden was" and he "knew how to get him"
Well,...we actually HIRED the guy that got it done, Johnny McWhine Baby - and that just chaps your rosy red ass. TOUGH!
And why the media doesn't just turn this entire BS on it's side and shine the light into the crevices with the Faux Terror Alert system and the Mission Accomplished crap.
Short term memory syndrome is the BAIN (ooh, I got a PUN in there! ha) of the Repub's existence now. Stop chumming the shallow end, Media & Friends!
How quickly the repubs forget, or so they want us to forget. Bush/Cheney used scare tactics for years using 911. Now they want to complain about one of the Obama administration's greatest foreign policy achievements just because their guy completely dropped the ball for 7 years and their current candidate thought that finding OBL was a waste of money. A campaign is supposed to tout its achievements. The fact that the repubs don't have anything to cheer about is the cause for the "sour grapes" attitude that they've adopted.
Bush politics of war:
The fake rescue (cameras rolling) of Jessica Lynch and of course the NFLs Pat Tillman killed by friendly? fire.....the family was initially told lies about his death.
GOP Lies are priceless!
Ron Indiana
What Are You For?
What a person supports and believes says a lot about a person. So let's take a brief look at what Republicans are for. Certainly their voting record is for big business, oil companies, financial institutions, and wealthy entrepreneurs. They would like to believe that these are the people who are the job creators, ignoring the fact that large corporations keep their tax breaks and small businesses hire the majority of employees.
Ron I look at these people daily. I just SMH no one cane be that stupid. They know what's going on; but I am inclined to believe they prefer biography and hatred over the success of this county.
Should Mitt win (he won't) what will they say then when thing get worse?
But remember Clara - we had to ELECT him first in order for him to tell us! lol
Follow the Muslim Republican Credo! Take down Communist Obama! Support Osama!
I mean, after all, who is more Republican than Osama Bin Laden! Come my fellow Republicans! Let us rejoice in the Koran!
Seriously, we know the Communists aren't going to fix the economy over inflicting their agenda on the US. We might as well get down with the afterlife outlined in the Muslim Republican agenda!
Ron in Indiana clearly believes everything he reads/sees in the mainstream media, no matter how untrue it may be
I do not support President Obama, I will not vote for President Obama, BUT I do appreciate that he's being "weak and appeasing (especially when it comes to Iran)." Call it what you will but I don't want anymore endless war, so for that I say thank you President Obama.
Fitz,
And for that I say THANK YOU!
PS: I see you're feeling better! ☺ I left you a note after you posted your U-Tube clip the other day!
Why should it surprise anyone that the POTUS is politicizing Bin Ladens death...doesn't he politicize just about everything...another beer summit anyone?
Many GOP leaders like to hurl the charge of "weakness" at Obama. No, he is not a cowboy like those in the GOP who brag about being tough and have few qualms about sending troops in harms way. America has faced many debacles, because past presidents were so intent on showing the world how "tough" they were. Obama's decision was well thought out and tough. Let's give him credit where credit is do.
The Bush Administration politicized 9/11 and started the Iraq war to get re-elected. What Obama did actually made a positive difference.
Personally, I have no problem with Obama trying to make a point with Bin Laden. However, rather than complaining about it, the repubs should point out that Obama also, when first advised about the whereabouts of Osama made the decisive decision: "let me sleep on it." Then, about 16 hours later he decided to go ahead with it knowing that the chances of success were reduced because of the delay. They can also point out the phony pictures trying to show that the WH was watching it all take place live as if Obama was directing the action.
Of course, they can add the additional wars with no end that Obama's also gotten us into and the fact that the militant muslims have ceased on the weakness of Obama to take the initiative to seek control over the entire region.
On the economic front, they can just show Obama making his statement that his "stimulus bill is needed to keep unemployment under 8%, and then show where the real unemployment is, including the fact that 50% of this year's college graduates do not have jobs. They can show Obama talking about fiscal responsibility and then show his real spending and increase in the deficit and the fact that he couldn't muster even one vote for his budget.
Heck, they shouldn't stop there. They can show his statement during his campaign that he can't just shut down the coal industry, but that he can increase regulations so much that they won't be able to make a profit, and show the new regs he's put in place and the damage to the economy because of it. Oh, and the loss of jobs too.
Well, the list goes on and on. If anyone on the repub side smartens up, they'll stop complaining and just present the facts. We know the administration and the libs in Congress are utilizing the strategy of diversion and fear so they don't have to address the destruction they've actually caused to this country.
Oh, and let's not forget "Obamacare!" That is so easy to attack. It's such a great piece of legislation and is just what everyone wants right? Then why all the waivers? It's simple really, they know it will destroy our health care system so they want to avoid the impact of the legislation until after the election. Let's face it, who would vote for Obama if millions of people who were promised that they could keep their insurance actually had to face the fact that the legislation, not only in intention, but also in result, leads to millions of people losing their insurance?
This video should go viral.
I'm posting it for all the right wingers who have a visual acuity problem or just can't read anything positive about President Obama's accomplishments; simply because they are enmeshed in right wing bullcrap.
The video outlines the challenges America faced as President Obama took office at the height of the worst recession in almost a century and details the progress that has been made reclaiming the security of the middle class and building an economy that's meant to last, where hard work pays and responsibility is rewarded. It's seven minutes long but well worth listening to. Especially, if reading comprehension is difficult for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WbQe-wVK9E
On the other hand , you can read President Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments. here.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php
Brought to you by the same Party-over-Country RepubliCONS who used "Code Orange! Code Orange!" to deter from unfavorable reports of the unsavory doings of the Bushy/Cheney Administration. In fact, Bushy won 2004 on a platform of fear, using "Code Orange, Code Orange!" which insured continued support of the FeAR RIGHT (w/Rupert Murdoch's help... & for his Profits) for future RepubliCON manipulation of ................the suckers who fell for it then and still fall for it now.
Why does it not surpise me, the chicken hawks are crying FOWL!
This is different from how BUSH and the GOP publicized and ran an election using the capture of Saddam, how? OH, that's right ... it isn't ... except Obama never was buddy buddy with bin Laden the way the GOP used to be with Saddam Hussein.
ANY sitting POTUS would have supported the same military action.
TO: Backhouse who wrote:
Yes, and when Bush and Cheney left the White House, so did all those "terror threats" and elevated "threat levels". Seems like Bush and Cheney conned some folks into believing we "needed" Bush and Cheney.
Actually, those 8 years were the worst in presidential history, with George "Curveball" Bush psyching out everybody in the world.
Obama / Biden 2012
Good for him. He got Bin Laden and did it without invading another country for no reason and ruining our economy. And for those who say the economy is having problems under Obama, yes, it was ruined by GWB. Look at the WTC, destroyed in a day and over 10 years later it will never be the same and is still not completed and everyone is united behind rebuilding after 9/11. He has tried to instill confidence in our country and is getting shot down on everything by political opponents even in compromise and people hoping for him to fail from day one. Not the best President, but far better than the worst in GWB and better than what the right has had to settle on in Romney. There is no hiding the fact that the right does not like Romney and are only supporting him because he is not Obama.
Amy - allow me to also be the FIRST.
There was no live feed from the bin Laden action. WHAT was the special assembled group at the White House looking at for their photo?
WeiserJG:
I do my research using mainstream media and the internet. A source that I do not use is Fox News. It is neither fair or balanced.
Concern Citizen-856329
Hi Bev, Why do you have to insult? you are just as bad as them.
I agree that the President was correct in ordering this horrible man to get zapped
Why are you conflating truth with insults?
Republicans are LOSERS!!
GOP would have done the same in a heartbeat! They are just mad that Obama can claim credit for it. F-ing hypocrites!
Obama is politicizing the Osama kill...................exactly like how Bush politicized 9/11 to get re-elected.
Both parties do it. To bring up one incidence is to call the kettle black.
Every time Republicans bring up Bin Laden, they are kicking their own ass.
witchrunner - lies. lies and more lies. Our President made a well thought out decision to go ahead with a mission which resulted in the killing of America's #1 enemy (no, not Saddam as we all know). I understand that well thought out is foreign to Republicans but it is how sensible people make decisions.
The shots from the situation room were not faked - as you imply. They were real-time and gave us all some idea of the intensity of the group.
Why is it all Republicans try to make a farce of a great President yet bow down to the idiot Romney? You guys really need to get a life. Your jealousy is showing. And, it aint pretty!
Still waiting for the source of your claim that Romney called on immigrants, not illegal immigrants, to self-deport.
@Alan, NJ, you haven't been paying attention or you have your head buried in Faux News. Simply take the cap off and have the wealthy pay the same percentage as the working man. No more problem.
The American people cried foul for 10 years as the GOP wasted trillions of dollars on two unfunded wars and gave Pakistan 82 billion dollars to help us get Osama Bin Laden. Terror Level Red is a thing of the past and the GOP misses it.
Bush did it too! And Obama will too! Its Bushes fault! But Obama will extend it. Bush started the Wars! But Obama will continue on. Give me a break. Hypocrites.
As I promised to do Friday regarding re-posting the NYT article supporting the book which cited the conspiratorial meeting with that treasonous, Frank Luntz, the Repubs had while President Obama was being inaugurated.
By CARL HULSE and ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: March 16, 2010
Before the health care fight, before the economic stimulus package, before President Obama even took office, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, had a strategy for his party: use his extensive knowledge of Senate procedure to SLOW things down, take advantage of the difficulties Democrats would have in governing and deny Democrats any Republican support on big legislation
In the process, Mr. McConnell, 68, a Kentuckian more at home plotting tactics in the cloakroom than writing legislation in a committee room or exhorting crowds on the campaign trail, has come to embody a kind of oppositional politics that critics say has left voters cynical about Washington, the Senate all but dysfunctional and the Republican Party without a positive agenda or message.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html?pagewanted=all
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Do you get it now right wingers? Mitch McTurtle did this before the President even raised his to swear on a bible or Koran to take the Oath of Office? There is no rhyme or reason appropriate to say that Mitch McTurtle has no positive agenda or message other than politics over country in such a crucial time in our history; other than to make this hard working President fail.
Alan....
Regarding how the democrats propose to control mediacre is very simple, like obama says, he will control costs (both thru doctor wage controls and prescription prices)+ ask the wealthy for that "little more".
Wasn't it nixon/ford and the democrat controlled congress that tried to institute wage/price controls in the mid 70's to control ever increasing costs?
Since it didn't work well then, I imagine the obama followers think that it will work now. Interesting also on how the obama followers now think that trickle down economics will work under obama where they claim it didn't work under the republicans.
Wow, the Liberals on this "social media site" are deflecting Mr. Obama's decision (could have been done by Barney Frank) to take out Bin Laden and use that as a political agenda item (only positive thing he has done) to anything and everything under the kitchen table.
Gotta hand it to you guys.....however, deflection from the main issues facing America today will NEVER work.
To realize, fully, the hypocrisy in the Republican party one only has to look back at the "terrorist threat scale" that they used to bring out each time they needed a diversion from their policies they were trying to force on the nation. They also brought it out anytime someone called them out on their hypocrisy or challenged them in Congress. Talk about using Bin Laden for benefit. Republicans wrote the book on that one.
Try again neocons!
Obama/Biden 2012
Zkysr
Ive got news for you, he DID order the invasion of a friendly county, and an ally at that. If Obama ever cuts the money off to Pakistan I think they will charge him with the murder of every person killed in that compound, you dont send a hit team into a friendly sovereign country without their permission.
witchrunner,
I agree the Republicans should not play the blame card, its a waste of time and makes them look petty.
Don't get distracted, stick to economy, stay away from the social issues, there will be plenty time to address them later. Tell us your plan to move us forward.
@ Alan, NJ: I had no idea what you were blathering about, so I took the 3 seconds required to type Romney and Self-Deport into google, and came up with a slew of hits and videos. I suggest stop being a lazy GoPer...I mean, Obstructionist (sorry they're synonyms these days), and do your own research.
Boo-Hoo - some crybaby thin-skinned spineless conservative writes a shoddy editorial attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill by attempting to spin the President is hideous by shedding light on the 'who's who' list of conservative donors. Imagine, another stinky talking point being touted by the RWNJ that is full of hypocrisy. I mean, I have never heard the GOP/TP party take a crap-shot at wealthy Hollywood democrats. In fact, I'm sure the GOP never chased down wealthy Hollywood types during the McCarthy scare <<SNARK>>. This Strassel article is nothing more than a conservative shill, or more precisely, a SHRILL piece to appease Albanians.
http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/10/hollywood-liberal/
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/is-the-next-gop-target-hollywood/politics/2011/02/25/17645
http://www.examiner.com/article/why-republicans-hate-hollywood
Bin Laden... Ahhh the president's own claim to fame. Claim it is, proof it is not. Let's examine the events. Seal Team 6 supposedly arrived at Bin Laden't lair and extinguished him. The White House war room was abuzz with activity with several top staff members watching on closed circuit video. Obama was deep within his hands while staring at the screen at the same time Clinton was covering her face... What a telling photo...
What the viewers of the closed circuit video saw was for their eyes only. No publication of that video was ever made public. No photos were ever shown... and after a hearty cruise on a navy ship, Bin Laden's body was sent to Davy Jones' locker never to be seen again. A few weeks later that same Seal team 6 was involved in a helicopter accident where several of them gave their lives while protecting the events of the day of Bin Laden...
Seems like a lot of misleading information to me. Can we say cover up? Well thinking people can but not the liberal kool aid slurping Obama supporters... they blindly believe anything the president says without EVER, EVER, EVER questioning motives.
You can bet your sweet bippy that if a republican president had pulled this same sort of garbage, the liberals would be all over it like files on a trash pile.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/osama-bin-laden-top-health-rumors/story?id=13518880#.T5627bN8Cyo
ABC news has a few doubts as to whether Bin Laden ever made it that far. They seem to think he may have been disposed of a few years earlier... but liberals far and wide seem to believe Obama pulled the trigger himself, and won some sort of award for what may very well be a complete and total scam!
I do have to admit, among the jesters, clowns, and buffoons, in attendance, He did stand out, I mean , how can You top joking about eating dogs, or adding being a rap artist to your repertoire of qualifications as leader of the free world?,(it really does show how important that responsibility is to one, does it not?), and yet, it still isn't as funny as his original humor, such as promising the most open and honest administration ever,(hillarious!),or cutting the deficit in half in his first term, then adding more that all previous administrations combined in less than one term,(classic socialist comedy!), or arming anti- pro western government elements in Mexico and Honduras with THOUSANDS of weapons and then when caught, saying they were just tracking those weapons to see where they were going,stop it! You're killing me!,(well, not me particularly , but, thousands of people in Mexico),and the biggest joke of all, promising to give, "free", stuff to all his, oh so highly intelligent and OH SO hip followers, whether it's free contraceptives and the promise to let them continue to murder their unborn children for convenience, if they get drunk or forget to take their 'free' pills,(unless of course, they want to pop out a couple of kids and live on welfare for the next twenty years,which is also all right), or promising his Union buds, more! ,more!, more! from their employers,(never mind that those employers are fleeing the country or moving to right to work states), You guys can continue Your demands and they will be there forever, because the Dems promised You they would be!(what a sense of humor!)and free health care because Doctors will continue to invest twenty plus years of education and then work for free just for YOU! and then later You're going to find out the joke is on YOU!, because YOU and YOUR GRANDCHIDREN , are the ones that are going to have to pay for all this, Yup, the Grandkids are really going to love YOU and the laughs you will leave them.
The Barack Ness Monster was the president of record when OBL was found, and made the appropriate call. What else could he have done, a Billy Bob Clinton and let him go?
Do you liberals actually believe the search for OBL was halted by Bush rather than on-going in the intelligence community?
The Barack Ness Monster was in the proper place at the proper time and receives the recognition for the call.
Steve 208.... - actually since Pakistan was harboring Bin Laden they don't have a leg to stand on. They were the ones creating a problem by protecting him. No chance of charges against us since they knew exactly where he was and chose to let him live there safely, knowing he was one of the most wanted men in the world - by every country. Try again - you got nothing.
It's a good thing he INHERITED the Seal Team from Bush!
About Bush and the "Mission Accomplished" sign. It was. It's called War profiteering.
It is interesting to watch the Republicans try to spin lack of any accomplishments to their advantage.
Aw come on GOP, lay off Obama. I mean, he has to have some accomplishment to run on, and since telling the SEALS it was ok to do their jobs is his only accomplishment in 3 1/2 years, give him a break!
Oh course the Republicans are going to call Obama on the Bin Laden killing. It is the only positive thing he has done in his Presidency. If they get him to stop using that, then, truthfully, he has nothing credible left to campaign on. The Republicans are right to make sure the American Public sees what this President has actually done....(Next to nothing.) The great experiment has failed, time to move on rather than endure 4 more years of failure.
How about you stop being a lazy Democrat and post ONE link where he calls on LEGAL IMMIGRANTS to self-deport. Reading comprehension 101 please.
Illegal Immigrants = self deport
Legal Immigrants = very welcome
And Bush INHERITED it from Clinton - so what is the point of your post? Seal Team 6 was created under Carter.
It's equally as interesting to watch Democrats tout accomplishments they didn't create or accomplish also!
I mean, really! God forbid the GOP ever try to politisize their accomplishments!
The people who collapsed this first comment are, of course, collapsing comments, moderate and extreme, from both sides. Rs vs. Ds, pro and con, for and against. So rather than favoring one side, all the collapse does is to stifle open speech. To keep people from the dialogue, like it or not. What a waste.
Alan:
You really need to stop taking "stupid pills". They are working as your comments are making no sense.
I've had it with the Republicans. From one end to another a bunch of make believe Christians and business types who think they are the "Ruling Class." I actually feel sorry for Mitt Romney trying to get to the front of this right-wing stampede.
Ah, another Monday the usual suspects with their usual derogatory comments of fellow Americans. Oh when can we find a President who will bring us together and work for the people and not a party. Stop the spending, stop the tax breaks for the rich quit messing with my SS, both parties need to quit screwing with us the middle class, without us this country ceases to function.
Ed Gillespie, an adviser to the Romney campaign and former Bush adviser said on Meet the Press: “This is one of the reasons President Obama has become one of the most divisive presidents in American history. He took something that was a unifying event
Well just what the hell did the Bush people do after the 9/11 attack by turning it into a war on terror and how the Democrats were weak on terrorist? Was it alright for the Republicans to politicize the war? Of course not but they did so now they cry foul when the tables are turned. Well boohoo.
No doubt First Thoughts was late trying to find a way to spin Obama bringing up Bin Laden over and over and over in any way that it isn't using the only thing (saying go ahead to the seals) to campaign on. What else does he have? Failure? Giving money to cronies and unions and supporters? Throwing away billions on failing green programs? Giving milions of our dollars to other countries to drill and refine oil while not letting us drill or pipe our own? Giving millions to our enemies and now by one of his infamous "I am the emperor" Executive Orders to release money to Hamas a known terrorist organization and the enemy who rockets into Israel? Writing "executive orders that allow him to declare Martial Law and control even our food? We need him out of our Whitehouse along with all his czars and Socialist buddies.
I simply asked you to back up your statements that Romney called on legal immigrants to self-deport, and what steps Conservatives are taking to prevent legal immigrants from voting. What don't you understand?
Brianb - (I'm guessing the b stands for bimbo) even the GOP who saw photos admitted it was Osama bin Laden. You are so pathetic in trying to make something up it is beyond belief. GOP Senators and Congressmen agreed the photos were bin laden but of course you are privy to more information than they are. You are a pitiable excuse for a human being so you fit in the Republican party well.
I guess Obama and his campaign network, MSNBC , did allow diversion from the real issues facing this country. Who cares about Osama and nobody is going to vote or change their vote for either candidate over this issue. Congratulate Obama for finally getting the guy we all wanted dead. It doesnt matter who or which party is more hypocritical for exploiting various aspects of national security. They both do so its almost funny reading these posts.
By the way Seeking Sanity--my wife attorney, mother, strong independent woman who is pro choice wont vote for Obama. This idea that there is a war on women is another diversionary tactic to take focus off the Obama failed economic policies. Would she prefer a GOP candidate that isnt so socially conservative--yes--would she prefer a president that is not ideologically focused on eliminating self reliance, personal accountability for ones economic, professional and life choices and equating everyone's financial outcomes--yes. At the moment, that trumps everything. When she sees how hard she worked to get into a great college, work her way through school with student loans and work her way to a nice paycheck all to be taken away in the name of economic fairness--that doesnt sit too well for most strong independent women.
One thing that's strong about republicans is that they're truly united. They do unstand the saying "united we stand" and they exploit it to the fullest. Too bad, this very tightly united group is such a bunch of highly determined and destructive maniacs! They are the true decendents of the Nazi, insanely destructive and determined murderers who're so totally immune to any truth and morality. They keep accusing president Obama dividing this country while they're the ones who are doing the dirty work all along. They keep discrediting president Obama on all his accomplishments and attempts to better this country and the lives of the U.S. citizens while they relentlessly try to destroy the dreams and freedom of every average american. Do any truth exists in their minds? I have never seen any group of living being so well-suited for the term "evil"! of course, there are a few republicans still with conscience, but they have left the pack in order to redeem their sanity and to lift themselves from hell. Bless these few true conservatives who are willing to conserve the truth and their sanity!
@ Alan, NJ:
No, I will not provide you with any beyond what my tax dollars already provide. If you failed to utilize the public school systems to learn how to research on your own, that's your problem. As I said, I was very easily able to locate a video of the conversation in question, with a very minimal amount of effort. If you're unable to put in the same amount of effort, that's your problem.
And for the record, I'm neither Democrat or Republican. But, given only those two choices, I'd have to go Democrat, because at least they appear to be aware that more than just Big Business/Big Oil and the Military are required to hold a country together.
Have a nice day.
Post your video. I want to see where he calls on legal immigrants to self-deport. How can I find the specific video you are referring to?
Put up or Shut up.
B Murphy...
Alan is talking about ILLEGAL (aka UNDOCUMENTED) immigrants. I just did a quick google search on "Romney self deportation":
1. Washington Post story on Gingrich mocking Romney's self-deportation plan for ILLEGAL immigrants.
2. NY Daily news article about Romney's self deportation plan for UNDOCUMENTED workers.
3. Huff Po opinion piece about Romney's self deportation comment: "Asked how he would deal with UNDOCUMENTED immigrants, Romney said during the Tampa debate that he believes in self-deportation"
4. Fox News article about how there was laughter at his response of self-deportation to a question about UNDOCUMENTED immigrants.
5. CBS News video: Showed Romney's "self-deportation" response to a question on how to handle ILLEGAL immigration.
So there was a quick google search where none of the results mentioned LEGAL immigrants being told to self-deport.
I'm sure you classify race and other civil groups with that mouth also, so I'll just go ahead and say, if you wish to slander one group, you may as well get to slandering every one of them. No particular group is perfect, not even your precious democratic (or independent) parties.
On another note though, concerning the "United We Stand" comment, what absolute horse crap. Obama's foreign policy is enough to make many people want to vomit. United We Stand my @$$. Focusing on foreign affairs in an economic slump, one that the likes of America hasn't seen in ages, and foreign policy is his gimmick? Please. On top of that, oh, my, goodness, the guy told his INTEL to pursue Bin Laden - Great job fella, pat yourself on the back cause YOU killed Bin Laden (not the brave men and women serving our COUNTRY might I add). Nope, all credit deserves to be Obama's, may he revel in it and choke on it, cause that's about how much worth and dignity he deserves out of that particular situation.
The RepubliCONs should get John Boehner to cry us an orange river over the killing of Osama Bin Laden! Booo, hooo, big bad black Obama got him instead of the divine RepubliCONs!
Nevermind Bush and Chaney politicized the "weapons of mass destruction" campaign to get us into a war of profit. Nevermind Bush's Mission Accomplished debacle. Nevermind their politicization of Sadaam Hussein. Nevermind the shameless exploitation of 9/11. Oh, just nevermind RepubliCONs you have been exposed for the anti-American corporate fascists that you are!
RepubliCONs are such outrageous hypocrites!
Hey Still: Please use paragraph breaks--your idiotic run-on rambling makes you look as stupid and paranoid as you must be.
And as to your comment: YOUR GRANDCHIDREN , are the ones that are going to have to pay for all this, Yup, the Grandkids are really going to love YOU and the laughs you will leave them, that will be the least of their worries. When all the polar ice is gone in fifty years and the grandkids live on the coast of Kansas they won't be laughing at the debt "left by Obama".
SeekingSanity
Keep seeking, your quest is nowhere near its end.
You lefties would have wanted Bush's head on a pike for what Obama did.
Ah, my Koran reading Republicans! We know it is good to cry over Obama because he killed our hero Osama!
Communist Democrats may honestly believe health care is more important than national security. But we Muslim Republicans know national security is more important, but best done when allies like Al-Quaeda give us a good excuse to invade everywhere we want to. Except when Communists are in control. Then we must put on our pink dresses, pray to Mecca, and vote for Mullah Romney!
Down with Communism in 2012! A vote for a Republican is a vote for the Koran! Praise Allah!
Still seeking sanity... guess you will NEVER achieve that goal... with each passing post of yours, it is as evident today as it was the first time you spouted your drivel...
Make something up? Sounds to me like Obama is making things up and you fall right along in there and swallow it whole... like fish tossed to seals. I guess GOP senators and congressmen also felt the public shouldn't see the photos, eh? Still lacking in evidence like your usual garbage.
Hey Sanity... keep on supporting your man Obama... whatever bad he does to this country, it will effect you too... You are not immune to his mischief even if you are liberal.
Thanks Grimey.
I hate the way they attempt to conflate legal and illegal immigration.
Here is an interesting perspective on the issue.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2012/04/voters-understand-immigration-debate/543586
Exactly and I love how the RepubliCONs said whatever happened from here on out with the wars created on WMD lies was all on Obama everytime someone mentioned Bush Admin. and their atrocities. Now Obama and crew get Osama and now the RepubliCONs bitchin and moanin that Bush deserves some recognition.
Um NO! He made an empty promise to get the "evil doers" and FAILED. Obama filled it like he filled the majority of his campaign promises. This country deserves to fail if they elect another RepubliCON. Start revising your wills if it happens.
Alan,
I think you know this, but you are dealing with people that are so ideologically imbalanced that when you corner them with with fair facts, they will get angry and say - "I don't care"
I think that needs to be exposed. Just maybe exposing them will make people wake up and stop parroting what these people say. Such people aren't really for the masses of people, they are power grabbers, people who benefit from power grabbers, or more accurately people who think they will benefit from power grabbers.
"Good for him. He got Bin Laden and did it without invading another country"
To be fair he did invade another country (Pakistan) but he did it with a much smaller army and didn't even stay overnight!
BRAVO!
No, actually, I think I'll continue to exercise my Freedom of Speech rights, but I certainly invite you to try and do something about it. Or do you only have a sack when you're on a keyboard?
Awww, Obama has a muscular foreign policy, chalking up one success after another, doing things that Bush an the republicans couldn't do, and now he's on the campaign trail talking about it. How unfair!
Are you going to cry now?
Alan,
"And assuming you are here legally, we don't want you to vote, and we conservatives will make it as hard as possible to prevent you from voting."
This quote was about the voter ID laws that Republicans are trying to pass in many of the southern (and I believe other states as well) states that requires lots of things that most new immigrants don't have like driver's licenses (or any kind of picture ID). If they could just use SS cards new legal immigrants would probably have that as their main use of ID but many of them don't drive (no money for a car) or they have no money for a photo ID, which is what these new voter ID laws are requiring. Honestly, these new laws being pushed right before the next election seems pretty obviously trying to push out the votes of certain people (those who don't have the money for photo IDs). I don't understand a party whose main platform is personal freedom, but through legislation these people are trying to stifle the voices of people who may not have the means to adhere to this law in order to exercise their right as Americans.
I don't care what party a person belongs too. I do not like it when the President of the United States figural "holds up the legs of a dead terrorists" that he had to kill and tells the citizens of the United States "Look what I did."
I'd love to know the REAL story about the bin Laden raid, and whether it's true that Obama kept waffling on the decision to go in, so Panetta had to make the call.
So you cannot find any reference to Romney calling on legal immigrants to self-deport and now you have resorted to juvenile name-calling.
Case closed.
Thank you, Red DevPS, you beat me to it.
@MGates
You may have a point but the legislation is not aimed specifically at legal immigrants, which is how this all started.
The fact that you need a photo id to get in a bar in most states or open a bank account makes me think that it is not a burdensome requirement. In many cases they are not allowed to ask for your SS number because of the way it would be tied to an individual and used as a de-facto national identification number.
To be honest I think both sides are exaggerating their position.
They have to tought this an accomplishment, it's the only one he has, and even then there are murky facts as to who exactly pushed this. Rachel Madcow and her liberal zombies like to claim th eGOP as woman haters, but it's actually the liberals with the worst track record toward women, they just make up their own facts and the lemmings step right in line with them.
A photo op on the deck of an Air Force carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner with bush43 in a jumpsuit, crotch stuffed with toilet paper, was what, good military strategy manuevers?
Mighty big talk there, Snakebone; care to tell us, other than letting the SEALs do their job and eliminate Bin Laden, what some of those "successes" were.....and please be specific.
A whole lot of chicken hawk, right wing heads exploding today. I love it! If the Republicans wanted sole possession of the "bloody shirt", they should have had President Grant copyright it. But they didn't. Sucks to be them.
Republicans have nothing on foreign policy, nothing on the economy, nothing on education, nothing on civil rights, nothing on health care, nothing on the budget.
They.Have.Nothing.
And you people do? Have all the answers? Where are they?
Maybe Mitt Romney will say it was his idea!!
Well hell, when Rove's Crossroads Super PAC runs an ad trying to undermine the president, excuse him for not putting up with the right-wing Swiftboat BS and responding with an ad of his own. And if you don't believe President Clinton's assessment in that ad, ask some military leaders and they will tell you it's a shame that the right-wing refused to give credit for a really ballsy move, and a shame this even has to be an issue.
After the 9-11 tragedy, the nation came together. After the killing of bin Laden, the Teapublicans would not come together. On the anniversary of major events, the Teapublicans are still the ones being divisive about getting bin Laden and we all know why. It is the "politics of envy" that the GOP/TP can no longer proclaim themselves to be strongest on national security. In fact, the only thing they have left is religious radicalism.
I can tell you this without reservation -- Romney does not have the backbone to make the call that President Obama made in sending the Seals in to get bin Laden.
Spider: Libya leaps immediately to mind, since Obama got an international coalition to pull together and pacify the country, without a single dead soldier, for about $1B. Compare that one to the 'Bush Doctrine'.
Dead al Qaeda leaders show up in the news daily, don't they? Al Awlaki was a particularly nice score on our side. No dead US soldiers on that one either.
Cutting the number of Russian nuclear missile launchers in half was no small feat.
Hey, and while we're at it, getting Russia AND China to abstain from vetoing our crippling sanctions against Iran was something that Bush was completely unable to do when it came to Iraq and Syria. Oh wait, he never tried...
Just a few for you to chew on. Interesting that most of our success came from negotiation and diplomacy with out own allies. When Bush was in power, he had no patience for that, and he seemed to disdain our allies. Remember: "we don't need a permission slip to defend our own country"?
And BTW, the Seals don't 'just do their job' in a vacuum, they are the last piece of a concerted effort by Obama to take out OBL. And even then, when the Seals failed to 'just do their job' in the Iran hostage crisis, it cost Carter the presidency. So we can be assured that Obama took a big political risk to make the call.
Just like the Democrats! Foreign policy is a gaping hole that is constantly opening and closing. The economy is still busted and in shambles. Education has not improved, which is evident by your comment on Civil Rights. The health care bill, despite its ability to over-ride the Constitution, isn't even in place yet. And the budget isn't fixed and every politician holding office right now acts like a child.
Don't blame it on just Republicans. Democrats are just as much to blame.
Maybe Hussein will stop basking in the glory of a prior accomplishment of the Navy Seals long enough to get his "laser-like" vision on jobs ! (Hey, if Feasty can refer to Gov. Romney as "Willard", I think turn about is fair play)
What's that you say ? Oh ...... the laser never worked did it !
Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...... national debt now scurrying along toward $16 trillion, no budgets passed under Obama's "leadership", unemployment is still very high ...... and Obama takes a break from the late night talk show circuit for a victory lap !
YYAAAWWWWNNNN !!!!! Hurry November, we need a leader, not a showman.
Here is the deal, when the opposite side says you should do something don't do it, when they say you shouldn't do it, do twice as much.
UGH I swore I was dying yesterday lol two days in a row? I haven't done that in years, damn soldiers ;)
Actually we still have them every day, go to any military post and they'll show you what "color" we are on any given day. It's just not as widely shown as it used to be.
iim a bleeding heart liberal and obama is just starting act like a idiot now. hes trying to impress the republicans, ppl who hate obama with a passion and will always hate him. mr obama, binladin is not our biggest enemy. what has he done? look at what the republicans do. we have the largest prison population in the world, we have so much racial profile, hate crimes, millions of animals are in confinement cages and your worried about binladin? and it was the wrong move to kill binladin so stop bragging about something stupid. obama a cool guy, but hes losing his head and making so many stupid decisions cuz of the pressure he gets from the far right. they are in his head and hes allowing it go get to him. those ppl will cry no matter what you do obama. rememeber the millions of americans who are behind you? all the cool, kind ppl? your forgetting about us. now no question obama is way better then republicans and defientley the guy to vote in 2012 if your liberal but that does not mean im happy with obama, that means the republicans are that bad and evil. come on president obama. we got ur back. dont act like idiot like republicans do. bragging about someones death is ignorant and ron paul was right. you made your mistakes now learn from it.
I hope that he brings up a few more things like:
His health care law was the first attempt to turn back the law passed by raygun that allowed the health insurance companies to be "FOR PROFIT" and forced municipalities to sell tax payer built and paid for hospitals to those "FOR PROFIT" cabals.
The "FAILED" health care plan that we have been forced to use since 1982 did not create more competition, rather it created a form of legalized crime known today as "health care". Another failed policy like "trickle down economics" as proposed by Stockman who was indited for fraud in the bankruptcy of his own company.
What happened to the 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS that rumsfield claimed was missing on 09.10.2001? Were we lied into 2 wars to cover that up?
Explain the audit of the FED requested by bernie sanders and what he intends to do about the 7 TRILLION DOLLARS that is missing.
Refund all penalties and interest on all early withdrawals from 401K's by Americans who were displaced by the economic collapse and pay for it with a TAX ON ALL FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THAT USED TARP.
Bring up the companies that the bush/cheney crime cabal invested in like Haliburton who profitted from war and then moved to Dubai to avoid taxes.
Explain new price controls that he will enact on companies like EXXON and APPLE who are gaming the system at OUR expense.
Call the gutless, treasonist, terror loving republiCONs out for what they are.
Pres Obama.........epitamy of ..."Cool." Opposite of "cowboy fool, and more than that........."I....just want to testify...."
Alan, NJ
@BB48
Did he use in relation to LEGAL immigrants? Please check before you try and post your link again.
Alan,
Are you in grade school or simply intellect challenged ?
So your defense of his absurd position is to propose that he meant to state that he was really proposing that it should be encouraged to have legal Mexican immigrants "self-deport" ? That is the GOP's proposed policy ? Sadly you are probably inadvertently correct in that it is probably the only way they can think of to prevent these legal American citizens from voting for Obama.
Alan,
Right again, I did forget to mention in my post (work is distracting today lol j/k) earlier that the Dream Act that Marco Rubio has written up allows illegals to become legal in that they can serve in the military and pay taxes but they will not be able to vote, EVER. I don't think that's right either. It's much like the drinking age law. If you can fight for our country you'd better be able to vote for you Comander in Chief!
Pickle-Sniffing Liberals. I have one word for You...WATERBOARDING...Biden may say it's 3 words- Nevertheless. Without the CIA "torturing" the captured terrorists....caught under Bush, The CIA and military intelligence, who actually found him not Obama, would not have found him. Obama showed up for a photo up that day after playing a round of golf. It's funny how bleeding heart liberals who oppose waterboarding are so happy that the savior had found Bin Laden and pulled the trigger himself. OK so Obama killed Osama- even if i did give him credit please tell me what else he has done in the 3.5 years he has been the president. Romney in a landslide.
Hahahaha. Obama's being divisive??? What about your cronies who called Obama a Communist, a Muslim, a foreigner??? Where the @!$%# is the divisiveness now, you right wing sons-of-bitches???? What about when Bush played 9/11 and used the Iraq War to his advantage??? You seem to forget that easily, do ya????
Friendly?? FRIENDLY??? Are you insane??? Most of Pakistan HATES us, even before we killed bin Laden. Pakistan may be an ally, but they are a loose one at best. I mean, they don't even deal with the terrorists in their country. They are a pain in the ass. They hid bin Laden for years; he went in because he was unsure if the Pakistanis would help bin Laden escape if he told them. I would personally tell them to @!$%# off and turn to the more friendly Indians to the south. But, as we are chained to Pakistan for the foreseeable future, we cannot extricate our selves from them. And an invasion is classified as an offensive of an army into a foreign nation. If Obama sending Navy Seals into Pakistan is classified as an invasion, then it's the shortest invasion in the history of warfare. And in the past 30 years, Republican presidents have shown general cordiality with Iraq, except until the 1990s. Besides, Iraq may not have been friendly, but it was still a neutral country, and yet we invaded it for stupid reasons. Me thinks you ought to blame Bush rather than Obama, who kicked the architect of 9/11 in the arse. Unless you're too chicken...
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Reagan is jesus: what else did Obama do? That list would be kind of long. If that's an honest question (very doubtful), then 'fair and balanced' Fox is letting you down. More likely, you're looking for a way to change the subject.
You are aware that 'tax and spend' Obama gave us one of the biggest tax breaks in our history, right?
You get that 'gonna take away our guns' Obama signed only one gun-related law in his term: to allow people to take guns into national parks, don't you?
You understand that 'socialist' Obama offered so many concessions to the ignorant and ungrateful right-wing that he lost his base, which is the only reason Romney's numbers are even close?
You realize that 'wimp' Obama deposed the Libyan strongman without putting a single US soldier in harms way? Cut Russia's nuclear capacity in half? Killed large numbers of al Qaeda's senior staff? Any of this ringing a bell? No?
Right. Didn't think so. Must be an interesting world you extremists live in.
Wow the right wing nutcases came out of the woodwork today didn't they - proving my statement - I keep seeking sanity in the GOP but none to be found.
Occam's Razor - methinks you don't know anything so why are you posting myths?
Brianbimbo - if you had read anything you would know that photos were taken of the body and shown to Congressional members - McCain and Boehner among them - who all agreed it was bin Laden who was killed. That and DNA evidence confirmed the kill. (You DO prove daily that there is no sanity in the GOP.)
spider - how is it no one has stepped on you yet? Yuck
Kirk - I doubt you are married to an Independent minded woman. If you are and she is voting for Romney, she is in the minority. Strong women cannot stand the GOP and the way they treat women and women's issues. Too bad your wife is not up to date on issues.
What Would Regan Do? - Who gives a damn? Talk about an over-rated do nothing? Pickle sniffing? You truly are pathetic. My guess is you're the only one sniffing anything!
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All US Politicians do this, take credit for the US Military Successes and hold the US Military 100% Accountable and Responsible for the Failures.
Just like all US Politicians do this:
The Price Tag Of Politics
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6228712n&tag=related;photovideo
Previous US Military held 100% Responsible and Accountable for Failures: a. Admiral Kimmel (exonerated decades later declassifed US Political and US Military Documents)., b. General Short (exonerated decades later declassifed US Political and US Military Documents)., c. Lieutenant Calley "I was just obeying orders of Major Medina"., d. Colonel Oliver North (US Military must Never Overthrow an Established Government, arming the Iranians loyal to the Shah)., e. lots of etc. as current residents of the US Military Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth or Federal Penitentiaries.
GENERAL George Washington would have Never became US President if he lost the War of Independence against the British.
GENERAL Grant would never have become US President if he lost the Civil War.
GENERAL Dwight D. Eisenhower would Never have became US President if the Normany Invasion (D-Day) failed. Just as Failed Operation Market Garden destroyed British General Montgomery.
USN John F. Kennedy, PT 109, "War Hero", becomes US President.
Recent failed US Military Missions that affected/effected US Politicians:
President John F. Kennedy's Failed Bay of Pigs Invasion.
President Lydon Baines Johnson escalating the Vietnam War from 16,000 US Military Advisers to 555,000 US Military. Previous agreements to withdraw, not escalate. The young voters of the time fearing being drafted, higher probability.
President Jimmy Carter's Failed Iranian Hostgage Rescue attempt, one of my predecessor's Operation Eagle Claw.
President Bush (41) failure to allow the US Military to complete the First Gulf War. Previous US Policies that turned US Ally Iraq into US Enemy.
President Clinton's failure to authorize the Termination of Osama Bin Laden after the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing, and citing the US No Assassination Policy. Failure to Overthrow President Hussein in accordance with US Law, 1998 H.R.4655, and US Military Operation Desert Fox causing Islamic Nations to label the US the "Great Satan". Most in US Military and US Intelligence Agencies hated President Clinton due to the Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies and the Cut to the Bone Reduction in Forces of the US Military as Ordered by President Clinton that later resulted in the 9/11 2001 Attacks per US Congressional 9/11 Committee(s) Investigations, Findings, Recommendations. Due to the Reduction In Forces of the US Military and the Gutting of US Intelligence Agencies the limited capabilities of US Military Forces and US Intelligence Agencies (CIA SAD/SOG) conducting Operation Gothic Serpent. In most cases US Military had to go into Hostile Nations without Intelligence Assets on the Ground as "link ups" and did not have any information from assets on the ground, as even today it will take decades to rebuild the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (selected from the limited currently being RIF'ed US Military Conventional Warfare Forces for Assessements) and US Intelligence Agencies Operatives and Assets at "Potentially Hostile Nations".
President Bush (43) failure to make Public the Real Reasons for: a. Afghanistan as, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arxKhJIjIiY., b. Iraq, especially US Law, H.R.4655, 2002 Iraqi War Resolution, 2002-2003 Operation Hotel California (especially the Iraqis Chemical Weapons Facility at Sargat, the Al Quada (Ansar Al Islam) we (those of us that survived 2001 Afghanistan) chased to Iraq to finish the job), then started to decimate the Iraqis Military, before the start of the 2003 US Military Conventional Warfare Forces Liberation of Iraq in accordance with the US Law H.R."Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" as US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom.
The other Failure of President Bush (43) was not Amending the US No Assassination Policy until 2006 after 2001 Tora Bora. His Amending the US No Assassination Policy opened up a Big Bag of Worms of International Law(s) as discussed by Harvard International Review Article: US No Assassination Policy, On the Offensive. All US Politicians (all Political Parties) opposed, as this President Bush Amendment (by Executive Order) also meant open season on them to be assassination targets of other Nations.
I have been told (Ordered) not to discuss (US Politicians Oppositions to): a. The Rescue of Captain Phillips by the USNSWDG., b. The SR (Special Reconassiance) Mission from Bagram AFB to Pakistan, that turned into a DA (Direct Action, Raid). All of you can wait about 20 years to obtain the Mission Videos (Cams worn, on the ground at Pakistan) to C4I Helicopter (Pakistan), Afghanistan (General Petraeus and Bagram AFB), SOC, JSOC (Admiral McRaven), Pentagon (Redacted), CIA (Leon Penetta), Whitehouse. Listen very carefully to the conversations going on during the about 23 minute communications blackout at the Whitehouse.
Wait about 20 years (see above). If you look way back at my previous posts you will see one in particular about how much trouble the US Civilians (supply clerks) gave us in getting batteries for our unique stereoscopic night vision devices. And hours later (EOM, End Of Mission) I posted SR (Special Reconaisssance) Mission turned into a DA (Direct Action, Raid). I also listed the Scapegoats in case of Failure.
RedDevPS,
So what. You act as if the US President determines how the US Military creates organizations to fill a Requirement or Mission Essential Need to accomplish Strategic National Goals. US Military Asymmetric Warfare has existed since the American Revolutionary War. Asymmetric Warfare "Hunter Killer" Teams of many Nations have existed since the first Snipers, as usually targeting the Political, Military Leadership and or C4I of enemy Nations.
"Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap" as US Military (paid below minimum wages) attached to US Intelligence Agencies being on paper the Para Military of the US Intelligence Agencies (aka US Military become US Civilians of the Agencies), the previous History of this goes all the way back to the US Office of Strategic Services (OSS). During my time as a LRRP/Ranger the most famous at Vietnam was USMC Carlos Hathcock (RIP brother), the current M25s that we are carrying as our individual weapons instead of shortranged jungle warfare M-16s/M-4s and not suitable for longrange Afghanistan, are named after him "white feather". During the Iran Iraq Wars when we were there as US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq, the USSR Spetsnaz "Hunter Killer" Teams actually wounded one of my subordinate Officers. Later after being rotated to Pakistan/Afghanistan as Operation Cyclone the USSR Spetsnaz "Hunter Killer" Teams were trying to get us there also, our conducting US Military Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency) the USSR Spetsnaz "Hunter Killer" Teams conducting USSR Asymmetric Warfare (Counter Insurgency) as skills versus skills.
US Military on the Ground see the need----> Operational Commanders justify the need and convince the Flag Officers (Political, Generals and Admirals)---->US Congress stuff the need into the US Congressional Appropriations -----> US Military appoints an Action Officer ------>Formation of Unit to fill the need ---->Training of that Unit to fill the need ----->Need filled.
examples: The previous USMC having limited or no US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces, other than the USMC Force Recon; the start of USMC MARSOC. Same with the USAF only having Para Rescue Jumpers; start of the USAF Special Operations Wings and USAF STTs.
Ever since the Cut to the Bone Reduction In Forces (RIF) of the US Military by President Clinton; since it takes Decades to Train US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (average age 35 after intial training, not including college level lanugage(s) and culture(s) based on Area(s) of Operation(s); the US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (aka Special) never had the assets to accomplish any missions by themselves so most US Military Asymmetric Warfare Mission are Joint (all Branches of Service plus Agencies). This created the unique challege of developing the US Military Leaders (Commanding Officers) to lead a Joint Asymmetric ("Special") Warfare Task Force(s) as well as these few (that trained with the US Army, USAF, USMC, USN, Agencies) US Military Commanding Officers to intergrate the subordinates of the US Army, USAF, USMC, USN, Agencies into a Task Force without all the interbranch interagency infighting, then to make matters even more "interesting" (a Command challenge) add in the "Amazons" (women as US Military Asymmetric Warfare Combatants and Operators), now known as "Lionesses" (it took from the 1980s till 2011 of my nagging for the US Politicians to finally allow (forced DOD) my previous Amazons to finally get awarded their Earned Combat Badges and Earned Asymmetric Warfare Qualifications). Hints to my successor: 1. Redacted., 2. Redacted., 3. Redacted., 4. Redacted., 5. Redacted., 6. lots of etc..
Again:
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My solution to get President Obama Reelected, if not nope:
President Obama by Executive Order Reinstates the Glass Steagall Acts.
The Current Global Economic Crisis
http://david393071.newsvine.com/_news/2011/02/22/6107088-the-current-global-economic-crisis
Should Obama use the death of Osama as part of his political campaign? Well yes and no. He should also include this as part of his strategy.
Obama's list of accomplishments in the so called "war on terror".
Osama bin Laden, check, al Qaeda’s chief of Pakistan operations, Abu Hafs al-Shahri, check,‘Atiyah ‘Abd al-Rahman, the deputy leader of al Qaeda was killed, check, one of the group’s most dangerous commanders, Ilyas Kashmiri, was killed in Pakistan, check, Al-Qa’ida in East Africa (AQEA) senior leader Harun Fazul was killed, check, In Yemen that same month, AQAP senior operatives Ammar al-Wa’ili, Abu Ali al-Harithi, and Ali Saleh Farhan were killed, double check, U.S./Pakistani joint arrest of Younis al-Mauritani in Quetta, check, Tehrik e-Taliban Pakistan leader Baitullah Mahsud was killed in Pakistan, check, Jemayah Islamiya operational planner Noordin Muhammad Top was killed in Indonesia, and AQEA planner Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan was killed in Somalia, double check, in Pakistan, al Qaeda operational commanders Saleh al-Somali and ‘Abdallah Sa’id were killed, whew.... another double check, Taliban deputy and military commander Abdul Ghani Beradar was captured; Haqqani network commander Muhammad Haqqani was killed; and Lashkar-e Jhangvi leader Qari Zafar was killed, guess that warrants a triple check, al Qaeda operative Hussein al-Yemeni was killed in Pakistan, check, senior Jemayah Islamiya operative Dulmatin - accused of being the mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombings – was killed, check, al Qaeda in Iraq leaders Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi were killed, double check again, al Qaeda’s number three commander, Sheik Saeed al-Masri was killed, check, al Qaeda commander Hamza al-Jawfi was killed, check..........
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/...
ROFLMAO, Republicans are such easy targets, probably why they don't like to fight in wars just start them.
@Steve-2081387
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Ive got news for you, he DID order the invasion of a friendly county, and an ally at that. If Obama ever cuts the money off to Pakistan I think they will charge him with the murder of every person killed in that compound, you dont send a hit team into a friendly sovereign country without their permission."
I do not know why you respond to something I did not say?
You said I said:
"He got Bin Laden and did it without invading another country"
When I said:
"He got Bin Laden and did it without invading another country for no reason and ruining our economy."
Getting Bin Laden was a great reason to enter Pakistan, you are crazy.
You picking and choosing is like me saying you said:
We should "send a hit team into a friendly sovereign country without their permission"
Shame on you!
Everybody who thinks Pakistan is our ally...news flash...the only allies we have there are the people who get our money, and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw the billions of dollars we've wasted on those duplicitous scum. If it were up to me, I'd nuke that country so hard it would probably raise the property values of that cesspool of jihadi Hatfields and McCoys. Because the best way to deal with double dealers is to deal them out. And for people who say, "What about the innocent children?" I say, "Don't start any sh!t and there won't be any sh!t. 'Cause that's how history rolls."
On the other hand, kudos to the President for going so lightly on the nation of Pakistan. He's dealing with them much more deftly than I would and reflects credit upon himself and the United States of America. Chicken hawks that don't like that can "suck it".
Finally fed the gremlins... eh?
Not only was it brilliant, it was funny as hell!
So was the hockey mom/pit bull line! lol
By the way, Rachel Maddow & Hillary Rosen ate the Repug's for breakfast yesterday with the War on Women!
It was great to see Rachel not allow this condescending jerk to talk over her!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/30/rachel-maddow-alex-castellanos-meet-the-press-women-economy_n_1464039.html?ref=media
I'm third. And I have to give credit to President Obama for making the decision to get that Horrible man. You see Feisty we have something in common. 2 out of 99 so far.
What war on women are you talking about, girlfriend? And please stop the insults...................
First off, let's get something straight - I am NOT your girlfriend & for that matter even your friend!
So, save your patronizing nonsense for someone else, it doesn't work on me!
O-M-G….LMAO!!
In your dreams DumbFux…lol
Rachel “He/She” Madcow got completely bitch-slapped by Alex Castellanos yesterday on MTP.
She wasn’t even in the same league!
Iowa legislation?!?!? Are you fo’ real Rache???? Go back to the kiddie table.
P.S. – Do you ever wonder if Madcow gets pissed when the Evil Corporation (NBC) makes her wear makeup on TV and look like a little girl???
I bet it brings up all kinds of “daddy” issues…lol
Jus’ askin’
Concern... Yes, O gave the final OK, however it is fact that he had to be convinced with strong positions by military planners.... and still didn't find a set until the next day.
O lacks the integrity and internal fortitude to be Commander in Chief.
Funny he takes credit for something he and Biden were against, but takes full credit for in campaign season. Hypocrite-In-Chief......
Oh STFU! They would say that no matter who was in office... What is he not suppose to talk about it at all??? Why is this the lead article????
Maybe you did not read my post correctly, "I do agree that the Pres deserves credit" Wow girlfriend did not mean to get you all upset, you are sure feisty.
Wow you sure showed what you are made off. I agreed with one of both of your post and you insult me. You lefties are all alike.
Just_D_Facts - your name should be Just_D_Lies. Don't you get even a little embarrassed that you have to lie to put the President down? No, of course you don't. You'd have to have integrity for that. Never mind!
Ruh-Roh Concern....now ya dun it....lmao
Like everyone here, she/he is insignificant....call her your girlfriend if ya want be I caution you to look at her pic before ya wrap your arm around it....*wink, wink*
Michael, you pathetic little boy, you sound so threatened by all things Rachel. I know you are probably sexually fixated on...well...everything and thus tend to focus all your arguments in sexual terms but this is really a political argument. So go back down to your mom's basement and keep masturbating to your stained, dog eared picture of Sarah Palin in her red, white and blue bikini. (That's all she's good for.)
P.S Concern -
Feisty DumFux is just a bit pissy today because she missed the First Post Position by at least a half-mile....lol
Water off a ducks back man, water off a ducks back
Get real, Michael...Rachel wasn't talking just about Iowa legislation, she was taling about ALEC legislation. Y'know, the folks who give the GOPTP their marching orders.
Don't mistake Castellano's smug condescension and talking over others for having won the argument. The war on women is real, and it's destroying the GOP with a substantial part of the voting public. They want it to be about the economy, well the war on women IS about the economy. Reducing the rights women have over their own bodies has a very real economic consequence on millions of women. Doubling the interest rate for student loans has a very real impact on women in college...as well as their mothers who may have to figure out how to come up with additional money to pay for college for their children. Reestablishing the Medicare donut hole is significant to seniors, as well as the women who may need to come up with more money for senior care while still covering their own budgets.
Until recently I didn't realize that the war on women isn't just an isolated piece of Conservative demagoguery...it's part and parcel of the wealthy elite's destruction of the American middle class.
Perhaps Concerned Citizen would prefer we call the GOP's attacks nationwide on women's reproductive rights on women's health care, the GOP Assault on Women. Works for me; in fact, it's probably a more descriptive phrase because over 1,000 pieces of republican anti-women's rights legislation has passed at least one or both houses of Congress at the state level and the federal level. What was the first piece of legislation our fed GOP House majority passed in 2011? It was an anti-abortion bill.
Speaking of which......why was he/she soooooo threatened by a male???
Her Levi jeans, brown hoodie & Occupy black frame glasses might give some insight...lol
Michael, you didn't even watch the show or the video online if you think Maddow seemed threatened. She stood up to a bully...end of story.
Republicans have nothing left to crow about ? McCain - after Sarah Palin debacle has zero credibility. Patience and calculated moves do not mean a 'weakness' in foreign policy. We all know the results of 'bring em on' and a 'macho' approach to flexing muscle. There are too many problems and practically everywhere for the US to step on to every pile of dung! It would be rather smart if we can actually become somewhat insular for say a decade and let the 'new world order' settle down and try to fix our own problems right here for we do have the resources to do so without any outside requirements - will surely allow us to keep our heads above water.
Michael - you're just embarrassing yourself with your ignorant comments. Maddow wiped the floor with Castellanos and showed what a bare-faced liar he is. Why do you have a problem with her? Clearly you're threatened by any woman.
AnIndividual
Brought to you by the same Party-over-Country RepubliCONS who used "Code Orange! Code Orange!" to deter from unfavorable reports of the unsavory doings of the Bushy/Cheney Administration. In fact, Bushy won 2004 on a platform of fear, using "Code Orange, Code Orange!" which insured continued support of the FeAR RIGHT (w/Rupert Murdoch's help... & for his Profits) for future RepubliCON manipulation of ................the suckers who fell for it then and still fall for it now.
LOL, know we have another Code Orange. that'd be John Boehner. Here is his method of communication.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1u1ou2XSk1rsg7ako1_500.gif
Yep, obama is politicizing the bin laden affair by trying to take credit for being CinC.
Let's just play out a few facts for the rabid obama followers...
Osama got lucky in escaping tora bora.
After pushing hard to find bin laden, bush2 backed off and let the CIA carry on finding alternate ways to get bin laden. You know, remember al capone? The FEDS couldn't nail him directly for his criminal activities but they could show that he was evading taxes.
The info leading to bin laden was started under the bush2 administration by the CIA tracking one of bin ladens couriers until bin laden was found and confirmed under obamas administration. Hardly justification for lauding obamas decision or for obama touting it politically.
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I truly wonder that if one of our heelos hadn't of crashed at the compound if obama would have proclaimed credit for invading a soverign nation to assassinate such a despicable individual.
I had thought that we were a nation following the rules of law, now it looks like obama likes to shoot to kill first. Bet Noriega of panama is happy that obama wasn't president when he was captured. I wonder why our troops didn't shoot saddam in his hidey hole, but turned him over to the iraq's for trial.
Because, tis the season for Election,.... and because Obama & the Lame Stream Media have no shame when it comes to suckering you for a vote....
Republicans like to pretend that all these bills being passed regarding women's health, in state houses all over the country, are all just isolated incidents and completely random!
And the moon is made of cheese and underwear can be magical.
The people that I know who are voting Republican this year are the least likable and least trustworthy, in my work and social circles anyway.
Obama/Biden 2012
American and others.... You guys make me laugh. Obama never said it was ALL his doing. What he says is HE made the decision (I would be scared if he DIDN'T take a little time to consider everything). He had everything to lose if it failed or our men were killed. He took the risk to go forward and it worked.
Why SHOULDN'T he politcize the killing? You don't think Bushie would have done the same? He TRIED with "Mission Accomplised"... Then when that didn't work, he raised the warning to Orange just in case people were starting to feel safe again and they didn't have enough fear to vote for him.
why would FR restore carrot top's post, but not Amy's? Oh, that's right... carrot top is a paid shill for FR!
GW Bush: "I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."
Mitt Romney: “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth, spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”
Barack Obama: "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaida. That has to be our biggest national security priority."
No amount of spin, hyperbole or false indignation will mask the fact that both the last GOP President and the hopeful next one were fine with letting bin Laden escape justice.
Ummm Rub of the Knob;
You should know, Amy's post was restored until you & the rest of the collapse Nazi's came along!
It's never too obvious when FR opens up the troll bridge!
Freedom of speech as long as it fits your propaganda... right?
And just what did the Republicans accomplish in the eight years of the Bush administration?
They gave tax cuts to the wealthy
They went to sleep at the wheel and allowed terrorist to attack on 9/11
They started a war with a country that never had anything to do with 9/11
They lied about WMDs to start that war
They outed a CIA agent in retaliation for debunking their intelligence
They tortured POWs against the Geneva Convention
They spent borrowed money on two wars
They gave no bid contracts to Cheney's company thus making him millions
They took a balanced budget that would have reduced the deficit and doubled the deficit
They allowed the economy to collapse with lack enforcement of SEC rules
I could go on but I believe you get the point. If that's the kind of "accomplishments" you want in the White House then vote for them but this Independent is not going to vote for a war mongering war profiteering party.
Wives fan - How soon you forget. His initial address gave credit to bush2 as well. Where is the credit now? Without said credit he has politicised it to win votes.
BTW - since when has it become acceptable on the world stage to promote invasion without notice or to carry out assassination rather than capture. Laugh all you want...
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
LOL!
YEAH! Like you trolls respect Michael's Freedom of Speech!
You and your minions are such hypocrites! You thoroughly disgust me you hateful banshee !
(now show me the clown nose, fisty!)
Obama doesn't deserve credit. The operatives and military involved had a kill order out since 9/11. All Obama had to do was ok the final mission. The ground work was laid by the Bush admin years before. Obama promised to shut down gitmo, get my buddies out of the stan, allow legal med marijuana to comply with state law without interference from the DEA, and he didn't follow through with any. Those are only a few examples of how he hasn't come through, but he will gladly take credit for something that he was only partially involved with. He is a windbag that can't be trusted, just like Romney.
schadenfreude - definition - the feeling an Obama supporter gets watching a Ri9ght Inger tie himself into knots trying to donwplay the significance of Obama's deft handling of the Bin Laden rem oval.
I believe if you check Bush said 6 months after 9/11 that OBL was of no concern to him. In other words the hit you say was on since 9/11 is false because Bush stopped looking for him. He was too busy trying to take over Iraq's oil.
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/oct/14/nation/na-osama14
Just more whining from Republicans. Try as they might to spin it otherwise, they don't have a leg to stand on against Obama when it comes to foreign policy and women's issues. Instead they accuse Obama of politicizing OBL and manufacturing a fake war on women. We know better and are not being swayed by their pathetic tactics. Nice try though.
Its interesting how the right blames Obama for the recession since he's been president for three years now, but won't give him credit for getting Obama since they say the efforts were started under Bush. If it was so easy to do, why didn't Bush accomplish it in nearly eight years?
This VERY COOL President got Osama Bin Laden, and I hope that message goes out EVERY DAY.
Only an UNPATRIOTIC FOOL would get irritated with that fact.
The funniest moment in the Bush Administration?
Two words. "Mission Accomplished."
Talk about taking undo credit!
I'd love to know the REAL story about the bin Laden raid, and whether it's true that Obama kept waffling on the decision to go in, so Panetta had to make the call.
The truth is that ANY President would have authorized it - even that weakling, Jimmy Carter. Who would have liked to go down in history as the one that had the chance to kill bin Laden, and said NO. Of course, it appears that Clinton also had a chance to have bin Laden killed by a sniper, but gave it a pass - but that was before 911.
2.35 THE REAL STORY is that President Obama got Bin Laden.That is a FACT.
Correct. That's all Bush had to do when we were closing in on Osama in late 2001 (Tora Bora), but Bush wouldn't pull the trigger on either mission proposed to him. So yes, all Obama had to do was approve the mission, and I give him all the credit in the world for doing so, instead of failing to act. If he didn't approve it, the soldiers involved never have the chance to rid the world of that scumbag
Since when was Obama a member of Seal Team 6? Obama wasnt there , how can he talk about it as if he WAS there? Hes a poser at best and a liar for sure. Hes no better than a Monday Morning Quarterback.
Bin Laden still lives! Prove otherwise. If he has really dead, Obama would have been on that so called burial ship gloating and taking credit for himself. Why would he do anything different than he always does. He certainly would have wanted to be center stage as always. Obama may have been off kissing butt somewhere and missed the opportunity though.
"Republicans Cry" would have been a sufficient headline. What a snake pit of whining, crybaby bullies and drama queens. It's like being forced to observe an over-long afternoon of Dungeons and Dragons.
This is just another in a very long, long, long list of Republican hypocrisy. Had this mission failed we all know Republicans wold be politicizing it. Republicans started politicizing 9/11 about 1 hour after the trade towers fell.
One thing we know for sure --- George W. Bush TALKED abut getting Bin Laden but President Obama got him.
The Republican party makes me sad; not because of what they say, but because of the people who believe it without any evidence. I know that both parties lie and skew facts, but one of the main reasons I lean to the Democrats is because I believe they are at least slightly more truthful. I am 100% for transparency and truth in politics. If you cannot back your claims up with facts, don't say them. There should be an organization whose job is to actively participate in these campaigns and run "truth ads". These ads would only enumerate facts and clear up any mudslinging that has occurred. It will never happen, but a man can dream, can't he?
I think he WAS the quarterback. He said "run that play" and Osama was killed.
"Bin Laden still lives! Prove otherwise. If he has really dead"
Sure Paul -- just like Elvis is alive, man never landed on the moon, and the earth is only 6000 years old. Prove otherwise!!
Intellect of a Democrat (oh, excuse me, Independent) - I posted in #1 not #2. Secondly, I stated a point. I'm not going to argue for either side. I don't care what you believe in or what you don't.
I will say this much, there are Republicans I could give a a damn less about. But I damn sure won't be touting a Democratic president who has mirror-imaged his time in the Senate "Present!". Enough said.
Idiot W. Bush couldn't get bin Ladin ... and how many lives and money were wasted because of his ineptitude???? .... Romney would be just as ineffective since GOP politicize everything instead of getting solutions. Sounds like the a$$ is desperate...
Obama is the only sane choice!!!!!
Why don't you explain more in detail exactly how many lives were left being wasted and how much more money was spent under the Obama administration also since you want to give him so much credit for Osama's death?
If he is going to get credit for the death of Osama, he can accept the problems that continued to persist, after the YEARS of stating there will be a withdrawal out of the Middle East. Ouch. And if you have any intention of spinning it off on Bush, whom started the campaign, then Bush can maintain that credit while Obama hasn't a leg to stand on.
Is this new complaint by the Republicans the BEST that they can come up with?????? They are always too busy "nit-picking" over manipulative, trivial matters that they have no time to get down to business for passing some important laws.
Does anyone actually believe the American public would have ever even heard about the mission if it had failed? If it failed it would have been called a "training exercise" or "recon mission".
How difficult is it to "ok" something that you know nobody will ever know about if it goes bad, but everybody will hear about if it goes well?
Funny how the same administration who would not release Bin Ladens death photos for fear of retaliation from muslims are now treating the event of his death like a national holiday. Any retalitory attacks linked to the celebrating will no doubt be buried by the liberal media.
P.S.
I don't recall any anniversary celebration of Sadam's hanging this year, or any other year.
Additionally, I believe that the president should only be able to run on foreign policy. He has very little power to change the economy. According to Article I Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States:
The President has no power to regulate or appropriate funds. He puts forth a budget, but it must be approved by Congress. Essentially, he is a glorified foreign minister with the added power of controlling our armed forces.
The people who don't deserve credit for getting Bin Laden...?? The Republicans! They just whine about anything they can think of because they have nothing to stand on!
Go ahead, call President Obama, Mr. Obama again you swines! He's the President you sociopathic punks!
You have no respect, no ground to stand on and lies for where you should be talking about what good you MIGHT do... And at that, there is nothing!
Feisty
That's a pretty low standard for brilliance, and only somewhat funny.
You guys like radical 1 don't get it. If President Obama had failed do you think idiots like you and the ones in the GOP would ever let him forget it. No way, you would have crucified him then and now, no second term, nothing. His whole political future was on the line, plus the lives of the Seal Team operators. It's was a completely ballsy move. He had the good intel, and he pulled the trigger, no one else in the administration had the authority to give the go ahead. In the face of what would have happened if the mission had failed, of how much he would have lost, but he still did the right thing, I think President Obama's actions were heroic! Four more years.
You mean like they covered up the botched Iran hostage rescue attempt?You are one negative individual.A Tparty birther I'd bet.And the Iraqis hung Saddam,not a SEAL team.LOLOLOLOL
Well Fiesty I see you are as popular as ever!! HA!!
You know that I lean toward the Republican side of the fence, but I will say this much. Obama was the Commander in Chief when this went down. He approved it. He then, gets the credit. Period. No argument. I have long stated that the GOP spends WAY TOO MUCH TIME talking down Obama and WAY TOO MUCH TIME NOT discussing the issues.
Why not have some integrity and give the man credit and move on to what you thing the differences are? Economy or whatever it may be!
They will lose because of this. They still don't get it. They just set themselves up for the bright minds like Rachael Maddow. Don't like Rachael, but she is very bright!!
Just my two cents worth for today! Fiesty girl!! HA! Sorry, couldn't resist!!!!
Feisty, I bet if he peed on your leg, you would die laughing, and probably fall down and worship him. If you took the time to look at the last three years and see where peoples' lives are compared to 3 years ago, plus all the incidences that seem to continue to crop up, only someone blinded by their liberalism would think this administration is anything but a failure.
Are you a dog eater too Fiesty?
Hiya Tex!
Long time no see!
But YOU do which is one of the reasons I enjoy conversing with you!
You are first & foremost honest, which I can not say about the majority of Republican's, especially this time around!
Contrary to popular belief, I do not hate Republican's, however, I do hate LIARS no matter which side of the fence they straddle!
Until we meet again - Happy Trails! ;o)
Feisty, the way you spew your vitriole at conservatives, then make a statement about freedom of speech when it's your beliefs only; talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Totally disgustingly hypocritical.
RotG, FR is just a sideline for carrot top... her real gig is trolling truck stops in N. Illinois. The drivers know her as 'Boilermaker Redwig'!
but back on today's topic.... obama has to be thankful he has something to gloat about for the last 3.5 plus years.... that and his golf game. lol!
Sorry to burst your bubble Skidmarks - I DO NOT collapse comments unless they threaten physical violence or are advertising!
I prefer to let the RWNJ's comments 'speak for themselves'... lol
So what is your point again?
I always thought that the Republicans did not want Bin Laden caught. They used him effectively as a boogeyman to win President Bush a second term. Remember VP Cheney saying daily that if America voted for the Democrats we would get hit again. The projected themselves as some bulwark protecting America from Bin Laden. When Presidnt Bush had him at Tora Bora he did not make the call. Later he said he did not know where Bin Laden was. He is in a cave somewhere, he said. Mitt said he would not spend time or money looking for him. Guliani built an entire presidential campaign on 911, the result of Bin Laden's evil labor. John McCain ran saying only he alone knew where to find him. Now that Bin Laden has been eliminated the Republicans are weeping buckets full. They miss him so much.
Give credit where credit is due. President Obama made the bold calculation, and was willing to stand by the result. This is the kind of leader we need. Obama Biden in 2012!
If it had gone wrong; can you imagine how high Mitt Romney and the GOP would be jumping and yelling?
Where is Bin Laden? Did they really take 9 months to decide to kill him on sight instead of nabbing him for the info that would be considered the Holy Grail of intel? Then dumping his body into the sea that night...Nobody suspicious? Where are the pictures? Of the pictures that some of the privileged were able to view, were any scrutinized as to their authenticity? We are to take the word of this administration? Why is everything liberals do so damn shady?
Bin Laden's absence for the past year proves that he's dead. If he were alive, he would've pulled the propaganda coup of the century by showing that the Obama Administration lied.
You're confusing Obama with Bush (who would have been standing under a banner "Bin Laden Dead!"). A "cowboy" president might have been on the ship, but a more sophisticated, subtle man would realize that sending the President of the United States to anything connected with Bin Laden would have conferred an honor that evil man didn't deserve.
2 very obvious possibilities...It helps him to be considered dead, easier to hide, or, he was captured during the raid.
Just thought of a 3rd...he could have been dead already. Point is, why leave the doubt? Why leave these questions? He was the most sought after man in the history of the modern world!
Feisty , So Richard Maddow is Your hero? Enough said...She is a nasty dike and so are you ...please stop talking now.
Good to see homophobia is alive and well.
And by the way, Reagan sucked. He started this whole mess. Stupid bastard....
Just like how you righties complain about Obama touting his success at killing bin Laden and how you adore Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, right?? Who's being hypocritical now???
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Fresh...what mess did Reagan Start? elaborate....as far as homophobia goes...how many times have you read the termTea Bagger on these MSDNC blogs...Clinton had 3 chance to get Bin Laden but passed up all three times. One time he was offered to Clinton but on a platter but Bubba said no thanks. too busy getting blown in the oval office. Democrats Suck
What Would Regan Do - you are a sorry individual. Bush said bin Laden wasn't worth going after but it was sure was worth going after oil for his buddies. Feisty could run circles around you. My guess is you're jealous that no one - man or woman would take a 2nd look at you.
Memphis Kelly - that's a stripper name, right? From your posts that appears to be the right line of work for someone as demented as you.
Scorned - Republicans in congress - including McCain and Boehner saw the photos and agreed that bin laden is dead. Dumping his body in the ocean was a very smart and calculated move. It leaves no area to make a shrine to a sniveling terrorist like Osama.
AWWW! look at seeking sanity sticking up for his/her liberal friend....She could run circles around me? What about You? What do You got? I'm far from jealous of anything. I'm happily married to a beautiful person of the opposite sex. i have children and contribute to society. What do you do? you're nothing but a piece of human fecal matter.
What Would Reagan Do?
Well, there's Iran-Contra, and the start of the failed supply-side economics experiment....
We liberals use the word "teabagger" to refer to someone who supports the Tea Party, not homosexuals. Unfortunately, you may have gotten confused in the wordplay.
Bush also had bin Laden at Tora Bora and he failed. Not only that, but he abandoned the pursuit altogether for the stupid war in Iraq. And I thought you Repukes were tired of liberals blaming Bush....?
And Republicans @!$%#. The only difference is that Democrats are the better of two evils, and they're actually not that bad, considering your right-wing radicals.
Oh and lay off Seeking Sanity. If you actually contribute to society, you wouldn't be using homophobic language, would you???? And why don't you shut up you damn idiot. If you want to disagree that's fine but don't denigrate your fellow man (or woman). It just shows how much of a spineless bonehead that you are.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
DEATH TO THE GOP 2012
DEMOCRATS 2012
Actually President Clinton sent some cruise missiles to OBL as a wake up call and warned us that al Qaeda presented the greatest threat of terrorism for the US...
...Republicans and the Conservative echo chamber screamed that Monica Lewisinsky's dry cleaning bill was more important.
I haven't mentioned lately how much I like it when Conservatives try to connect President Clinton and Osama bin Laden.
Yep, it is.
Americans swim in delusion. We never even proved that Bin Laden did 9/11 nor proved that we killed him. We swim in partial information.
Information supplied by a Pentagon that has PROVEN to be a unabashed liar - Jessica Lynch, Abu Ghraib, Pat Tillman, Saddam's WMD. Come on!!!
It is amazing!
We are stuck in a fruitless TEN PLUS YEARS WAR going after NOT Al-Qaida but the Taliban. Why? Because the Taliban "protected" Bin Laden. NO THEY DIDNT, BUT PAKISTAN (if the Pentagon and your delusions are to be believed) DID!
The Taliban offered to take Bin Laden into custody and put him on trial, or even send him to a third-party country for custody and trial. But we wouldn't have it, we wanted endless war!
And endless delusion.
Freshiee - thanks for the support by "What Would Regan Do" seems to love the homophobic diatribe. It shows he's got nothin! I won't lose sleep over someone who only posts nonsense.
Have a great day.
SeekingSanity is exactly right. After the execution of the Nuremberg war criminals, for instance, their bodies were cremated and the ashes scattered to prevent the risk of a shrine developing.
David - referrring to the Presidnet as Husssein is akin to putting on a big red clown nose and a pair of donkey ears - it tends to puyt anything you might popst in a somehat compromised light. Given that I looked at the pooopy buttt name callling and decided you weren't worth the effffort to read I was spared scannning drivel - thanks for the subliminal warning.
is this all we're going to get today? wtg Amy :)
fired up and ready to go
Obaaahhhhhma 2012!
Here we are in April, months from convention time. It's a time when challengers haven't been forced to release any specifics, and incumbents spend a lot of their time with governance, yet there's a fully developed political press needing things to do. This is the time when narratives are made, cut from whole cloth based on what?
Well, mostly based on what makes the press feel "special." That's everything from which campaign serves real Krispy Kremes on the campaign bus instead of grocery donuts to who gives you "exclusive access", depending on where you live in the pecking order. It's spending time with the scribes and making them feel like "that's a guy I could sit and drink a beer with."
Let's face it, that's pretty thin stuff, and ultimately that'll be modified by what the public sees when they look at that suit at the podium. So what's going on beyond the world of moving cameras and voice recorders around on big buses? For a first stop let's consider the irreplaceable Stuart Rothenberg. Before Conservatives begin attacking him as a "Liberal source" keep in mind that he predicted almost exactly the extent of Democratic losses in the 2010 elections...a year in advance. There are ome sources out there who are studiously nonpartisan and this one says;
http://rothenbergpoliticalreport.com/news/article/mitt-romneys-weakness-is-also-strength-or-is-it
Ouch. The rest of the article is worth a read. Basically it says Movement Conservatives don't vote for him because they don't believe him, and what passes for moderate Republicans these days vote for him because they don't believe he's as radically Conservative as he claims. Why isn't anyone asking what to think of such a person? Turns out the always entertaining Charlie Pierce is;
Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Mitt_Romney_And_His_Big_Old_Night#ixzz1tF3QDKg4
Sums it up pretty well, I'd say. Mitt's a smart guy, though, he knows he exudes all the trustworthiness of a door to door salesman, so more and more he uses Ann to speak for him;
Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Mitt_Romney_And_His_Big_Old_Night#ixzz1tF4GYc5Y
Such a candidate should be safe to laugh off, but he's proven himself capable of winning against other, more genuine candidates. He is what he is, and that should concern all of us;
Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Mitt_Romney_And_His_Big_Old_Night#ixzz1tF5XhUdw
Keep that in mind as we meander through this part of the campaign when the press is talking about who's better at being a "regular guy" and who's giving "unprecedented access."
Lets put all of this Obama 2012 enthusiasm on the street today,save a family convert a republican thug today
My Grandpa used to tell me "if you done it it is not bragging".
John B, terrific post. How can anyone vote for Mitt Romney when he's such a liar during this entire primary season? While I may not have liked George W. Bush for a lot of reasons, he didn't spew a lie with every speech he gave.
I keep wondering when moderate republicans who do not like the extremist direction their party has taken will stop voting for a candidate just because there's an "R" after the name. Either leave it blank or vote for the other candidate to show dissatisfaction; otherwise, continue to expect the same far-right extremist legislators as we see today. Those folks are literally driving what few moderates such as Olympia Snowe out of the political arena. The GOP no longer resembles anything like Abraham Lincoln's party, or T. R. Roosevelt's or even Gerald Ford's.
I don't know why this rubbed me the wrong way, I'm sure she was't forced to have all those kids but it just reminded me of that loony husband Russell Yates. (I still think Andrea should've gotten the death penalty)
Jody, when will the NAACP, NOW, AFL-CIO, UAW, NEA, etc., stop endorsing a candidate just because there's a "D" after the name? The Dem Party no longer looks like the JFK's party...looks more like Stalin's.....and no one is saying Obama shouldn't take credit politically for ordering the raid on Bin Laden...what is poor taste is that the ad is questioning whether Romney would have "had the courage" to make the same decision. If the ad didn't evolve (more accurately, devolve) into an attack add, it would be fine. There's been nothing in Romney's past to suggest he wouldn't have made the call....also, I find it VERY IRONIC that Slick Willy is the one narrating the ad when he's the one who didn't HAVE THE BALLS to take out Bin Laden in the 90s when he was offered to us (on more than one occasion)!!!!! Obama/Biden are worthless and you blind supporters are even worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Romney and the Republicans are crying foul for Obama using his foreign policy successes as a comparison, and yet it has been Romney/Republican strategy to go after every world event to criticize Obama.
Syria - he lambasts the President that we have not gotten in the middle of that conflict, Iran - he's all for going balls out and bombs away, Afghanistan -we should stay longer and have more soldiers on the ground, hell, he even had to jump in and criticize Obama concerning Chen Guangcheng - talk about politicizing every foreign policy event!
If I remember correctly Warren G. Harding was the last man without a backbone to be elected President. Romney, totally spineless, has the odds against him.
STALIN?? Wow, the wingnuts will go to any lengths at this point to avoid discussing the fact that their nominee is a vulture capitalist who isn't even trusted within the Republican Party.
“You know, we don’t trot out this stuff as trophies,” President Obama told
CBS News soon after terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden had been killed in a U.S. military raid on his hideout in Pakistan. “Americans and people around the world are glad that he’s gone. But we don’t need to spike the football,” Obama added. At the time, Obama cited concerns of inflaming discontent among Muslim extremists in the Middle East.
But compare those words from last year with the Obama campaign’s newest ad, which marks the one-year anniversary of bin Laden’s death by suggesting that GOP challenger Mitt Romney would not have made a similar decision to smoke out and bring down the al-Qaeda leader. While he hesitated to to offend bin Laden sympathizers, it seems like President Obama now has no issues when it comes to using bin Laden’s death to bolster his own reelection campaign. Spike that football, Mr. President!
You certainly have nothing else to gloat about. Economy, Jobs (or lack thereof), defict, the USA's credit rating under your watch..... I could go on... lol!
credit: (collapsed post from Rub of the Green)
Just as I noted up at 3.1...nothing to talk about, so make something up. Please pay no attention to the fact that;
I seem to remember Bush throwing in 9/11 during his re-election and how he kept us safe since then, and how if someone else was elected, 9/11 would happen again. What is the difference now other than the party doing the bragging?
They're the other party. Welcome to Washington, D.C., more hypocrites per capita than any other city on Earth.
Boo. Hoo. Hoo.
I think the Bin Laden killing is a fascinating look into the liberal quandry in the US. President Obama walked into office appologizing for the US' use of the military in Iraq and Afghanistan, our use of Gitmo and vowed to close it, President Bush's "mission accomplished" war that kept going, etc. and are now faced with being complete hipocrites themselves.
The administration vowed to try Gitmo detainees in NYC and with attorneys commensurate with US citizen's rights, then they "decided" (after much criticism from Americans, NYC, the NYC Mayor's office, etc.) to have military tribunals down in Gitmo. The President vowed to close Gitmo as it was a scar on our country and bring those prisoners to US prisons, while as of now Gitmo continues to function (after much criticism from Americans, the military, the states where they would be housed, etc.) You'll be glad to know they are building them a multi $100,000 soccer field for the prisoners of Gitmo. The President vowed to not us the US military as the world's police and extend our forces around the world, while the US has it's forces in 6 noted African nations, used the US military as the
leader,assisting,leading,following NATO actions in Libya, and US forces continuing in Iraq and Afghanistan with many cross border drone strikes as well as the Bin Laden strike in Packistan. The President mocked President Bush's use of the "Mission Accomplished" sign ending the Iraq war far before it was over, while just about a week ago the State Department declared the "war on terror is over"- all while more drone strikes are taking place around the globe, terrorist groups are being tracked down overseas and here in the US, etc. The President vowed not to use the Bin Laden killing as a political tool and vowed not to share essential mission details, etc. Then the administration proceeded to leak massive details about the mission, the Seal team that took care of business, the fallen helicoptor, the training of the Seals, that Bin Laden was burried at sea (or not), that he received a proper Muslim burial, photos from the situation room, etc. and now we are hearing that there will be a major motion picture coming about the attack that has "unprecidented" access to mission intel and the administration. Now the President is giving "exclusive" access to the situation room and interviews on the one year anniversary. Now the President's re-election campaign is putting out an add promoting the President's actions that approved the attack and that his opponant wouldn't have done it- clear politicing the event.So, is this the case of admitting that President Bush was on the right path? That President Obama learned that the job is much harder than anticipated on the campaign trail and that the reality is that you don't just turn the ship? That it's all about the politics anyway?
Another example of conservative "Red Scare" tactics, comparing Obama's presidency to Stalin, who managed to kill (genocide) 3m people during his reign. Only fools fall for these comparisons made by conservative freaks who never study history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Calculating_the_number_of_victims
MObama 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JoeNY
What part of liar or jerk do you not understand about President Bush #43?
Republican and gullible seem to have become synonymous terms.
I really think it's high time Obama racheted it up a bit more: get into some combat fatigues (OMG, he'd look soooo hot!), land on an aircraft carrier, climb on top of tank (he'd have to bring the tank with him, of course), and proclaim "Remember Osama Bin Laden? Well, *I* got him! Mission Accomplished!" Oh, the howling by the GOP/TP that would ensue - just thinking about it makes me smile!
That could be called "politicized". Oh, wait, isn't it what Bush did? Than I guess it would sit just right with The Right, LOL.
Obama/Biden 2012! What a Cool Cat Prez we have and will have for another 4yrs!
Lets see , suppose war on women,death of Bin Laden a year ago, dog on roof of car extremely important issues, who cares about the economy and those unemployment numbers forget about those foreclosures we are so easily led astray. United we stand, divided we fall.
Ah, but the war on women is a DIRECT attack on the ability of women to maintain their position in the economy and in society.
Deny, deny, deny.
JohnB. keep focusing on non issues, you're the perfect tool.
Keep thinking it's a non issue. Likely voters may disagree with you on that point. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/16/cnn-poll-gender-gap-and-likeability-keep-obama-over-romney/
John, what's more important your war on women which i don't see any casualties or the economy and unemployment, which I see millions of casualties? I don't care who is elected fix the economy and stop with the excuses.
Well, there's women who want to have an abortion, abortion doctors, Planned Parenthood, female employees who want contraception covered under their insurance plans....
Definitely the economy, but if I've learned anything from looking at special interest groups, they will forget everything and attack you like a mad dog if you go after their rights. Oh, and you can blame Romney and the GOP bastards for the past 30 years of failed supply-side economics.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
It is more than unseemly for Obama to run around bragging about this- but we've come to expect nothing less. One wonder what the effect of the Time magazine piece will have on his chest-thumping- they have a Panetta memo that makes it clear that it was NOt Obama who made the call- but the Admiral in charge of Seal Team Six.
That way, if the operation went south, Obama could blame it on somebody else.
No wonder he was on the golf course.
no joe - you should not be opening your mouth. Everyone on this site knows you'd be skewering President Obama had the raid not been successful. And, it is less than believable that the GOP would not be touting this had it happened when they had the Presidency. You're two faced and an outright liar.
President Obama made the call, not Panetta. And, you stupid moron, President Obama was in the operations room with about a dozen people as anyone with eyes could have seen - not on the golf course. Your lies show the lack of intelligence and integrity you have. You truly are pathetic.
NJNB-
You are right, Obama should have done something more low-key like putting on a flightsuit and flying onto an aircraft carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner hangng from it.
If GWB and his crew would have actaully focused on Bin Laden instead of manufactruigna war with Iraq maybe they would have caught him.
TNSEVOL - no point talking facts with no joe. She frankly has no use for the truth. Just her stupid golf course posts!
The reality is, Obama overrode Secretary Gates and Vice President Biden, who wanted to take out Osama with a drone. Obama choose to send troops in, with a back up, in case a firefight ensued. This was the President's decision.
What would Romney have done? Well Mitt is on record as criticizing Obama back in 2007 for saying he would make executing Osama a priority. Romney said it wasn't worth spending the money to hunt down one person.
This is a legitimate issue to raise because Republicans can hardly claim that Obama is "soft of terrorism," now can they?
“You know, we don’t trot out this stuff as trophies,” President Obama told
CBS News soon after terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden had been killed in a U.S. military raid on his hideout in Pakistan. “Americans and people around the world are glad that he’s gone. But we don’t need to spike the football,” Obama added. At the time, Obama cited concerns of inflaming discontent among Muslim extremists in the Middle East.
But compare those words from last year with the Obama campaign’s newest ad, which marks the one-year anniversary of bin Laden’s death by suggesting that GOP challenger Mitt Romney would not have made a similar decision to smoke out and bring down the al-Qaeda leader. While he hesitated to to offend bin Laden sympathizers, it seems like President Obama now has no issues when it comes to using bin Laden’s death to bolster his own reelection campaign. Spike that football, Mr. President!
You certainly have nothing else to gloat about. Economy, Jobs (or lack thereof), defict, the USA's credit rating under your watch.
Obama is working very hard at fund raisers (124 at last count, while Bush jr, Clinton, and Bush sr had a combined 94 fundraisers for themselves during the same time period!! I would say for the last 12 months Obama has performed zero Presidential duties... but as a fundraiser and TV talk show performer he has done an out standing job. Yes, Mr. Obama keep spiking that football until it is flat!
No joe you're lying again. We all know it was President Obama that made the decision, it's been widely reported that way your lies are disgusting. And now you're trying to put him on the golf course even thought we have all seen pictures of him sitting in the situation room. No joe you need to go away your lies are old and worn out and even your follow tea people Koch republicans are tired of your lies.
Mo - you're beating a dead horse. No joe doesn't know any better. To her lies are her truth. And, what she doesn't get from Fox news - she just makes up herself. She's like Ann Coulter - no substance - just a loud mouth.
Hey, "no joe", shouldn't you be making dog-eating jokes?
NO Joe, I guess what your saying is it's only good when the Republicans get elected by scaring the hell out of the world with a bogus war so they can have Karl Rove destroy the world economy
Why? We have our commander-in-chief for that.
Yes...certainly much more funny than President Whats-His-Face making jokes about looking for WMDs while troops were dying in Iraq.
Rub of the Green -
There is a big difference between a massive celebration of Bin Laden's death and a sober comparison of the decision-making ability of two candidates for the office fo the US Presidency and "Leader of the Free World".
Obama did not celebrate the death, he compared his decison to what Romney would have done. The Republicans are obviously worried because Romney suffers by comparison.
Alan -
There is also a BIG difference between eating the various foods of a country and culture as a child, and being deliberately cruel to an domesticated family pet. Do you really know ANYONE who having the funds to choose another option would stick their family pet in a cage and strap it to the top of the car? Seriously, I am not trying to exagerate it for political gains but that takes a cruel heartless SOB to make that kind of decision. They say you can tell alot about a man by the way he treats kids and animals. This definitely says alot about Romney.
Can I ask how much you supported GWB's foreign policy, specifically the war on terror? The fact is the Obama foreign policy and the Bush foreign policy are so similar as to be indistinguishable. Tell me, what was different in principal between attacking Iraq and attacking Libya? How about the drone attacks in 6 nations, none of which we are at war with. How about the fact that rendition is still occurring and that indefinite incarceration is still acceptable in Afghanistan?
Just like the lame jokes by both Presidents their foreign policy has no differences. But I am sure that you supported the Bush policies as much as you are defending Obama's.
tensevol, I'm sure obama's handlers (G.Soros and the gang) have warned him not to over do the gloating thing regarding his 'reluctant' decision to allow the military to kill OBL.
How can we forget obama's speech to the nation after OBL's death.... whas 21 or 22 pronouns he used in that 2 minute speech? That speech was a text book case of narcisstic behaviour. never before and not sense has any politicial used (I, my, mine) so many times in such a short time.
Rub is right.... there will be no stopping obama from 'spiking that ball'! lol
No I don't. However, what was Romney's motivation? Did the dog enjoy sticking its head out of window, which I've seen may do, and it really did enjoy the wind? I don't know and I really don't care. I've never heard any other source claim that Romney is some sadistic pet hater. To me it is irrelevant. What do you know about how he treated kids? Anything? All I've heard is that his boys are really nice, stated by both Republicans and Democrats, and he is a good family man. At the end of the day I'm not going to defend Romney for this as I really don't consider it important.
As to President Obama, I agree with you on the culture and child points and I've already said that I find this irrelevant too. However, I think the President my be surprised when he finds that people don't share his sense of humor and are actually turned by the fact he wants to joke about it. Plays into his Special Olympics sense of humor.
Actually, he said it wasn't worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. And then when pressed about that statement said: " "We'll move everything to get him. But I don't want to buy into the Democratic pitch that this is all about one person. ... It's more than Usama bin Laden. But he is going to pay, and he will die."
So, questioning whether or not Romney would have made that call is BS...you know it, everyone knows it. You can go worship your king, Obama, now!!!!
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Knock Romney all you want. I think it is much more advantageous to have a person who is successful in our Whitehouse than a total loser who has never had a real job in his entire life. Community Organizing amounts to sucking off your own people, taking from others, getting your share, then giving what is left to those people you supposedly care so much about.
Romney is a Morman but he would not pal around with Muslim Terror groups by inviting the Muslim Brotherhood to our Whitehouse. Romney would not cancel our National Day of Prayer and then hold a Muslim day of prayer on the White House Lawn.
I have no problem with Obama taking credit for getting Bin Laden, but he needs to man up to his failure to fix the economy and unemployment, and quit blaming everything and everyone else. The republicans need to quit fixating on the rich, and the rich need to realize that without the middle class, they would have no one to run their businesses.
Shaking my head - now you have us shaking our heads you moron! Crazy alert! Crazies are out in full force!
Both sides seem to be focused on the wrong crap right now.
Economic Policy first
Everything else can be handled later. Plain and simple.
Animal rights groups, I hate to put you down, but we need to fix the economy.
At the moment, I couldn't give two @!$%#s about Romney tying a dog crate with a dog in it to the top of his car. I also couldn't give two @!$%#s about Obama eating one...I just..don't...care.........for the time being.
I also don't care who killed bin laden. Our security situation is the same. We still see TSA all over the place. Saying you killed bin laden sounds really good. But has it really changed anything? No.
I just want ONE of them to fix the economy sooner rather than later. I don't want a plan that takes 20 to 50 years to see results. I want something that can show extraordinary results within one presidential term.
Period
wlee - what he did not fix it fast enough for you....... my god! Do you ever think on your own.....like it took 8yrs to get us into this mess; oh but he should work miracles especially with a do nothing congress! We are lucky he was able to pass the stimulus even though it should have been more, but the repugnants fought him on it. If that was not done it would be even more disastrous! I love how all you experts on the economy have all the answers!
The GREATEST LANDSLIDE ELECTION VICTORY IN HISTORY! PRESIDENT OBAMA!
The republicans have turned into whiners and cry babies! You did nothing, you deserve nothing and you'll get nothing.
The American public sees how foolish you are!
Seeking Sanity
The internal documents show that this was set up to keep Obama clear of any fallout.
I also find it funny that Bill Clinton is saying how anyone would have made the decision. How amusing seeing Bin Laden was arrested by The Sudanese was offered to him to deal with. The only reason they would have had to do so was because they were aware that Bin Laden was at war with the US. Bill Clinton said "no thankyou".
The Republican clown troop makes me laugh every day here. They are claiming Obama takes his orders from Soro's and their candidate waltz's around the country with no plan, no idea about foreign policy absolutly no plan at all and is letting Karl Rove take over his campaign so he can finish bankrupting the country morally and economically an most Republicans don't even know why they vote Republican.
Super Bon, I'm taking Obama for his word, if I don't fix the economy in three years I'm a one term President. Who said I had all the answers? You seem to have all the excuses. You blame the Republicans for not getting anything passed at the same time saying how lucky you were to pass the stimulus, can't have it both ways
Super Bon
If what Obama has done has really fixed anything, I'd really hate to see what broken looks like.
What stopped the fall was not Obama, It was TARP. What the correct question for Obama is how do you get the economy back to full strength. Being Unemployment in the begining of 1920 was 4.5% rose to 9.5% by the Beginning 1921 and returned to 4.5% by the end of 1923. We went from 5% unemployment in June 2008 to 10% in March 2009 and has returned to only 8.3% by March 2012.
Just on that alone should be enough to tell people this guy has no idea about how a growing economy works.
DB, they ar so enthralled with his greatness they can't see it. It amazes me at how anything he says and does is worshipped by them, he can do no wrong, and when he can't fix something, it's somebody else's fault. It amazes me at how blind to the truth people can be. If Bush had done some of this crap, the media nd these lemmings would be calling for his head.
ShakingMyHead, perhaps you need to read a little more. Obama did not cancel the day of prayer, and did not substitute it with a Muslim day of prayer. That is an outright lie. At the same time, freedom of religion does not only apply to yours. Typical Christian. You think the only world that matters is yours. Jesus would find great disgust in your post.
DB Akron - oh so now you're claiming access to internal documents. Next you'll be claiming to be Biden. Nothing was done to protect Obama.
Please just go away. Your posts make you just look stupid.
With so much manufacturing going away and more and more work being done with computers it is only logical that our recovery would take longer. But, anyone with intelligence would know that.
I'll say it again for those who missed it. The President has no power to fix our economy. In fact, his legislative power is very minimal. That is the job of the Congress. Because we have a split Congress, any bill that the President proposes (has someone sponsor) to fix the economy will be extremely difficult to pass and/or take an exorbitant amount of time to do so. The only reason the New Deal was passed under Roosevelt was because both the House and the Senate were Democratic. Many people don't realize that when the President proposes a budget, the Congress doesn't even vote on it. They "take it into consideration" when allocating money for the year. Again, the President cannot make laws and does not control the United States budget. In fact, what the President is doing now - talking about how he made the decision to get Osama Bin Laden - is actually one of the things a President can and should run on; that is, the commanding of our armed forces and the overseeing of foreign relations.
Well, for one thing we had the backing of NATO and the UN, not to mention that of numerous Arab nations. For another, the Libyans ASKED for our help. The Iraqis didn't. I don't remember an opposition leader in Iraq begging for Western aid. And finally, we did not go into Libya for revenge; we invaded Iraq because we thought they had a relationship with 9/11 (stupid). We went into Libya to unseat a dictator. Plain and simple. Whether we did it for our own benefits or for the Libyan people is debatable. But at least we didn't claim that al-Qaeda was in Iraq or that Saddam was in cahoots with bin Laden.
Plus I don't remember any major US invasions under Obama's administration......
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
It's a winner and the right wing nut jobs over @ FOX NOISE and its echo chamber are losers; period.
Hi Bev, Why do you have to insult? you are just as bad as them.
I agree that the President was correct in ordering this horrable man to get zapped.
Concern Citizen, why are you so concerned about what Bev posts? You should be more concerned about your fellow tea people Koch republican no joe's lies.
Read the Republican Post's they have no forum, they have no policy, they have no direction ,their only leader is Karl the troll Rove, they have embarrassed them selves to the point that they are walking in circles.Get rid of the Republicans in the House ,the Senate,and the States ,then all you have to do is act like you like Romney and he will do anything we want.
They have no campaign ads because they haven't done anything but bankrupt us
Don't forget King Grover to whom they have signed over their souls...
Then there's Rush Limpball's...
To:Mo-1852032 who writes.
Concern Citizen, why are you so concerned about what Bev posts? You should be more concerned about your fellow tea people Koch republican no joe's lies.
Mo, you just insulted me and proved my point. Just trying to be Civil as our President has called for. I'm not a Republican and neither is my husband. We are both register Dems for 20 years, but is people like you that make us really think and add more wait to vote for Mitt.
Concerned, pay no attention to the man behind the dingy curtain! They will implode before long. All its going to take is for them to realize that just because Mr. Obama is winning the "personality" polls doesn't mean he is a slam dunk. This will get worse once the real polls are tighter. And they will be.
Amy B. Portland, ME
That is a nice fairy tale to make Obama look better than the truth does. Show us the proof of these rediculous claims please.
Beverly, I watch Fox, and other then Hannity what's your beef? Msnbc is a joke CNN has far more bias, but does have some quality specials.
"Politicizing killing OBL (which was a great, historical event) for political gain" - well, what's wrong with this anyway?
Have you right-wing people forgotten how Bush politicized primordial fear for his political gain? His 2004 campaign (engineered by Karl Rove) was "Vote for me or Die!" (implying a Democrat would cause Americans to die by being "soft on terror" while terrorists are lurking everywhere).
Do you want a Stalin/Hitler comparison?
Stalin: "Worship me or Die" (his underlying story was "because the enemies of the people are lurking everywhere and only *I* can protect you from them)
Hitler: "Vote for me or Die" (because somebody else will be soft on them commies and Jews lurking everywhere, and only *I* can protect you good Germans from them)
See the difference? "Taking rightful credit for killing OBL" vs "scaring people into voting for you?" No, of course you don't. I am waisitng my time with you again.
Hey I live in Hawaii, and I've eaten dog before, with a little soy sauce and hot mustard it tastes just like spotted owl!!
Yes Fiesty, and we wont let the people forget them either
Check this out Bev:
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I am surprised the Republican voters haven't come to understand what their party wants to do to them
Yeah, and your icon really shows.
Are you insane???? I admit, MSNBC is biased, but it is just as biased as Fox. I remember watching Sean Hannity once and he and his conservative pals were just hammering on this liberal (or moderate, idk) commentator who was disagreeing with them. The same with Bill O'Reilly. And CNN is by far the most moderate news station (besides ABC). They take BOTH sides, and serve as a sort of mediator between Fox and MSNBC.
The Debate about the Obama Campaign Ad. Listening to the right-wingers criticize the campaign ad in which President Obama's leadership is hi-lighted and a question posed as to whether Romney would make the same decision as "divisive," one realizes that it just drives republicans bonkers to think our democratic President has usurped their once phony, alleged "tougher on terrorists" talking points.
On the Sunday talk shows, every right-winger used "divisive" and suggested it was just not right to exploit the killing of Osama bin Laden in an ad. Hogwash from the right-wing, "pious baloney" spinners. The ad is sophisticated, brief and not the least bit offensive. The faux right-wing outrage is just more Sour Grapes coming from the party that exploited 9/11 to its advantage and worse, used 9/11 as a stepping stone to invade Iraq. Their outrage is unbecoming to them and as phony as it is fact-less.
How quickly conservatives have forgotten their 2004 campaign ads in which 9/11, ground zero aftermath and OBL were used to remind voters to be fearful, be afraid of OBL, al-Qaeda and another attack. There is a big difference between using the horrors of 9/11, using footage of those horrors for an ad and using the death of the hated man who perpetrated that horror to remind voters of leadership as opposed to fear.
How easily conservatives forget their 2004 convention in which 9/11 was exploited at every opportunity. How easily conservatives ignore that same mentality continued in the 2008 campaign, once again using 9/11 as a campaign slogan and a bumper sticker. One need only think of Rudy Guilliani whose entire campaign consisted of, as VP Joe Biden aptly put it, "a noun, a verb and 9/11." Just look at the clips of those 2008 debates and campaign speeches, and then ask which party was using a unifying moment to divide us. Which party was accusing the other of being soft on terror, of "palling around" with terrorists? It was the GOP.
President Bush said "I really don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you." Mitt Romney said "it's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person". Osama bin Laden is dead and there is nothing wrong with the Obama campaign reminding voters of who made that decision and asking if voters think Mitt Romney would have done the same.
The truth is, the GOP is using the ad as a distraction from the fact they have a candidate who is "a well-oiled weather vane." Considering that Mitt Romney has been on all sides of every issue often at the same time, it is logical to assume that Etch-a-Sketch would take a poll first before making the tough call President Obama made. The GOP knows it is a weakness that can and will be pointed out by President Obama at every opportunity and deservedly so.
The GOP outrage is smoke and mirrors; if they can talk about the ad, they aren't talking about their own candidate!
Jody -
I agree. The thing that infuriated me the most about GWB was taking an event that brought all Americans together and using it for political gain. He pushed through tax cuts and the Patriot Act, legalized torture, and justifed an unlawful war by repeating "9/11-9/11-9/11" over and over.
I can never forgive him or the Republican party.
The GOP has traditionally turned their opponents strength into a weakness, that's their favorite strategey. See their contribution to the political lexicon, "Swiftboating." They took an opposition candidate who had actually served in Vietnam and attacked his war record, despite the fact Kerry actually put his life on the line to save a fellow sailor, and that fact was never in dispute.
Now they are taking a President, who actually killed American's number one enemy, and are trying to destroy that accomplishment.
Sort of makes you wonder: what do Republicans think is a valid achievement for an American, besides making alot of money in investments? Personal wealth seems to be the Republican's GOD.
Amy B. Portland, ME
The GOP has traditionally turned their opponents strength into a weakness, that's their favorite strategey. See their contribution to the political lexicon, "Swiftboating
So true Amy,
It won't happen this time. The curtain has been puleed back on the Koch lobbyist, Norquist, NRA, & ALEC.
Just look at Scott Walker struggling to keep from being recalled.
Look at what we did to the Liar and Prophet of Doom, Glenn Beck.
Scott Walker is struggling because of the massive inflow of union money from outside the State of Wisconsin.
Perfect, Jody. Perfect!!!! Obama/Biden2012
Jody, Iowa
The GOP outrage is smoke and mirrors; if they can talk about the ad, they aren't talking about their own candidate!
Ironically, Jody they can't talk about their candidate because his been a failure. his state was 47th out of 50 in unemployment. Bain Capital was a scam to take pensiond; fire people and then send jobs overseas.
They dare not mention Romneycare; either.
What about this transparency Romney complains about? This coming from a governor (Romney) who destoyed the hard drive on his government computer???
Please, they are freckless, lying, cowards.
jim-1455434
Scott Walker is struggling because of the massive inflow of union money from outside the State of Wisconsin.
Great!!! How you liking Citizens united so far jim? Bwaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa
Spot on, Jody. The whole campaign in 2004 boiled down to "If you vote for someone else, the terrorists win!"
At this point in time, I think it's quite obvious that President Obama will be re-elected and that's what's stuck in the Republicans' craw(s). Therefore, like the old saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls#$t" and that's exactly what the Re-Pubs are attempting to do...
I don't know much about Romney, but for all you people who love Obama and talk so much smack about Romney It was Obama who copied Romney's healthcare plan. You know the plan you guys fawn over. TNSEVOL, you mean the same tax cuts extended by Obama, and the same Patriot Act continued by Obama.
Unless the Democrats take the House, Obama will accomplish nothing like he did in the first four years. We need someone who is willing to work with both parties
You are a moron! We need a congress that works for the PEOPLE numbnut!
Super Bon, HONOR CODE have you heard of it? Nice counter argument, your mother must be so proud, I will agree with you though we do need a Congress who is willing to work with each other and leave the party behind.
It's not even a debate if the only one's barking are Republicans.They had 8 years and couldn't pull the trigger. Like everything else they do half ass
Yeah, even though 62% of his contributions are out of state as well. And go unions. I know they make mistakes, but they have lost a lot of power over the past 30 years and deserve a comeback.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
I thought Romney was against it??? Ever since he disavowed Obamacare, he lost all credit for building a model.
Obama tried. His stimulus was stuffed with tax cuts; his deficit plan was mostly spending cuts; he used a REPUBLICAN healthcare idea; he tried to be mature and appeal to the Republicans by giving concessions, and all he gets is a slap in the face. The next president will not work with the other party, because the GOP (if they win) will be too extremist and might even have all the cards. The GOP of today WILL NOT COMPROMISE; ask Grover Norquist and his buddies on the hill. Next time provide a credible argument instead of spouting right-wing drivel, wlee.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Congratulations on being first to proclaim on First Thoughts you are voting for our cool, handsome, smart, intelligent President.
I'm right behind you. Who wants to vote for a scammer like Mitt? Besides, he doesn't want to take the country forward. He wants to return to the 20th century "Gilded Age".The other repubs prefer 1952.
Since when is being "cool" a qualification for being President ? Handsome ??
I would much rather have a President who makes a SINCERE effort to work with Congress, rather than making the late-night talk show circuit. I would rather have a President who sings the praises of his political opposition when the work with him on an insider trading bill than showing us he can imitate Al Green.
I would rather have a President who will not dance around a budget for three and a half years. I expect to see Obama "Dancing with the Czars", because he is obviously more interested in his self-promotion than he is carrying out the existing laws of the United States.
Debt rising rapidly, no budget, no real solutions for the unemployed .... but hey, what the hell, let's promote his "COOL" image.
jim-1455434
Since when is being "cool" a qualification for being President ?
It's not in a sense. But, you extreme right wingers need to check out President Obama's favorability polls v Romney. In this day and age since Republican are filled with the Old Testament; it means a lot in the 21st century. No one is following that ancient prudiness. This is the Age of Advanced Technology.
You needn't talk about sincerity. Republicans can not even follow: Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, the ninth of the Ten Commandments.
Sincere and Family values my foot.
jim-14455434 you have not been reading the news. Even when Dems controlled the house at the beginning of the term, the repugnicans tried every dirty trick in the book to stop everything Obama tried to do - even if it was something they wanted to do. This just got worse when the rich koch bros tea party members were elected and took over the house based on lies about the health care bill. Repugs hate the bill NOT cuz of losing your freedom to not have health ins. It's cuz 1) ins companies cannot turn down people with pre-existing conditions 2) they must use 85% of their income for patient health care!!!
Beverly, speaking about scammers, how about that obama trying to use "executive orders" in a willy nilly way? Or obama saying that if the wealthy would just pay a "little more" our economy would recover, SS and medicare would be fixed in perpetuity and jobs would be created. Opps better forget about the jobs, to many FR lefties say that doesn't work just like trickle down doesn't work, but obama sure likes to promote the heck out of it.
Yep, obama sure has scammed us on healthcares individual mandate and stroking our seniors by transferring $500 billion out of medicare as savings to give to obamacare. Sure hope that when everyone whose employer contributes to their healthcare will like including the amount in box 12 on their W-2 as taxable income next year.
Like bev says...
The first three really have no bearing on being POTUS and being "intelligent" doesn't imply the ability to lead America, just like being book smart rarely leads any endeavor along a path of success.
So duffy, why didn't the dems change the rules? After all, they were in the majoriy and they did manage to get obamacare passed...
Beverly in Chicago: Have you lost your mind, we don't need a "cool" president. We need a president who is serious about getting Americans back to work and I don't mean at McDonalds. This administration has done nothing to help the small business owners and has only poured money into big corporations. Are you the 1% because you must NOT be one of the 24 mil who are unemployed/underemployed. It's people like you who just don't get it
Beverly, I think all the Corpsmen from all 57 states would agree with you.
Idiot W. Bush couldn't get bin Ladin ... and how many lives and money were wasted because of his ineptitude???? .... Romney would be just as ineffective since GOP politicize everything instead of getting solutions. Sounds like the a$$ is desperate...
Obama is the only sane choice!!!!!
Beverly, do you really think that the biggest criteria for President is he be "cool?" No wonder we are in the mess we're in.
Rush, you really think Obama found and got him? I guess US Intelligence and the SEALs had nothing to do with it.
Your right Jim you could always be a Dick like Romney.
Just think Bush only cost the American people 1.6 trillion bucks to find WMD that never existed and we didn't even get the oil.
Typical republican all blow no go
“Tonight I can report to the American people and the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden. Justice has been done,” President Barack Obama May 1st 2011.
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"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
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“It’s not worth moving heaven and earth, spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”
Mitt Romney 2007
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"We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
-- John F. Kennedy
For President Bush Osama bin Laden was worth more alive than dead as a Mysterious Boogeyman to keep the American People in line.
For the Corporate Raider Mitt Romney he was just a figure in a Cost Benefit Analysis.
I kind of like John Kennedy’s and President Obama’s take on things
Me too Floyd... me too!
Walk softly & carry a big stick...
IR - well put! We have a President the country can be proud of. Finally!
Obama/Biden 2012
That’s okay fellers. Been my experience that some Monday mornings come earlier than others and some Weekends take a little longer to recover from Top of the morning to you any way and off we go.
To Feisty and Bev: I have to go back to work. But I have to agree with this post. However you two and the rest of your waggy tails have to stop the insults. Just play with facts and not people's feelings.
Go ahead and insult me if you must. So far Mitt gets my vote and I don't think he is stupid and neither is Mr Obama.
Concern Citizen-856329
You could use this space to wax lyrical about your Republican nominee, instead of attacking Obama supporters, but maybe you can't, because when it comes to praising Romney, nothing much comes to mind.
The Republicans are the biggest bunch of cry baby whiners.
LMAO...... really Concerned attacked you? I had to re read all the posts. She merely disagreed with you. And on the Ms Maddow was schooled on several issues, she was. Specially when she brought up the State issues. Everyone has a right to an opinion on this blog whether it agrees with yours or not. A different opinion does not mean "personal attack"!
“You know, we don’t trot out this stuff as trophies,” President Obama told CBS News soon after terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden had been killed in a U.S. military raid on his hideout in Pakistan. “Americans and people around the world are glad that he’s gone. But we don’t need to spike the football,”
So which is it?
I, too, prefer JFK and President Obama's take on things. It's true, OBL was worth more to Bush and Cheney alive than dead.
Concerned Citizen, I would suggest you take a look at some of the name callin posts often coming from the right on FR before deciding to single out two liberal posters. The later in the day, the more name calling they do. So spare us your righteous indignation.
Jody,
When one, just one, of them call out their own I might take them a bit more seriously...
Until then...
thetotas, you mean like when President Bush spiked the football in his flight jacket on an aircraft carrier with the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner?
The ad is less about Osama bin Laden than it is about the LEADERSHIP President Obama showed in ridding the world of OBL. Therein lies the difference. The right wants to make it about "spiking the football", "bragging" when it is about LEADERSHIP. The right knows it, too; otherwise, they wouldn't even be talking about the ad. Tells me that ad is very effective and the republicans fear its message!
Jody - You're talking above the GOP intelligence level. Anything that doesn't fit into their play book is not fair.
It is what benefits him the most. This is the only platform he can try to run on.
I agree with what he said before. Now look for "LEAKED" pictures of bin Laden
Jody,
Are we talking about Bush?
President Obama did his job, and I respect that. When he addressed the situation I was please that he didn't path himself on the back, but now he is and I find it distasteful.
Beautifully stated, Independent Redneck! Believe me, my friend, you speak for millions of us who are tired of hearing the Republican bull---- and lies about the President. Romney and his team are desperate to find some kind of footing to base their campaign on against Obama and everything they've tried turns into quicksand. My only worry in this campaign is that many young people who voted for the first time in their lives in the last election (most of them for the President) will not find the time or inclination to go to the polls in November. Obama and his team have to make that a major focus!
thetotas, no but the minute you trotted out the "trophy" line, it was time to bring up President Bush. Seriously, as I said above, the ad is less about getting OBL than it is about the "leadership" it took to make the decision. Too bad republicans cannot grasp that simple fact. The ad is not bragging about "Mission Accomplishment"; it was simply stating that it took a leader to make that call.
Repost in part from above...
Yep, obama is politicizing the bin laden affair by trying to take credit for being CinC.
Let's just play out a few facts for the rabid obama followers...
Osama got lucky in escaping tora bora.
After pushing hard to find bin laden, bush2 backed off and let the CIA carry on finding alternate ways to get bin laden. You know, remember al capone? The FEDS couldn't nail him directly for his criminal activities but they could show that he was evading taxes.
The info leading to bin laden was started under the bush2 administration by the CIA tracking one of bin ladens couriers until bin laden was found and confirmed under obamas administration. Hardly justification for lauding obamas decision or for obama touting it politically.
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I truly wonder that if one of our heelos hadn't of crashed at the compound if obama would have proclaimed credit for invading a soverign nation to assassinate such a despicable individual.
I had thought that we were a nation following the rules of law, now it looks like obama likes to shoot to kill first. Bet Noriega of panama is happy that obama wasn't president when he was captured. I wonder why our troops didn't shoot saddam in his hidey hole, but turned him over to the iraq's for trial.
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Well IR, You must be the type that likes to keep bashing her head up against the wall trying to accomplish something. Interesting on how bush stopped beating his head to allow the CIA to take a more focused path on finding bin laden. At least obama gave the bush administration credit for having the CIA track bin ladens courier until osama was found under obamas watch.
Interesting on how obama gave this credit on his initial report, but is now only saying me, me, me! THATz is politicizing it to game votes.
Yep I can understand romneys comment... It is called working smart not just throw time and money at a problem. Bet our nations FBI doesn't just throw money and time away in trying to track down our 10 most wanted "right away". I would even say that it can takes years to run them to ground.
As for kennedy, how does the aspect of "liberty" equate to a killer? Interesting on how kennedy backed down on the "bay of pigs" costing many cubans a loss of "liberty", but he did set the stage for heavy military involvement in viet nam and the loss of over 50,000 young American lives. BTW - IMO the politicians screwed the pooch in viet nam.
Hey Sooner Fan---President Obama kept his cool and did not crack under pressure like Choke-lahoma does in championship bowl games. Ha ha. LOSER!!
Obama/Biden/Clinton 2012!
IR and Feisty since you like President Kennedy so much how about ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
Exactly why doesn't the GOP do that! Because their motto is: ask not what your country can do for you; but what we can take from it's working class!
Does anyone actually believe the American public would have ever even heard about the mission if it had failed? If it failed it would have been called a "training exercise" or "recon mission".
How difficult is it to "ok" something that you know nobody will ever know about if it goes bad, but everybody will hear about if it goes well?
Funny how the same administration who would not release Bin Ladens death photos for fear of retaliation from muslims are now treating the event of his death like a national holiday. Any retalitory attacks linked to the celebrating will no doubt be buried by the liberal media.
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I don't recall any anniversary celebration of Sadam's hanging this year, or any other year.
Super Bon, put your hand back in your pocket
Jody,
the minute you trotted out the "trophy" line, it was time to bring up President Bush.
His line, not mine.
That's what we are asking for; higher taxes on the rest of us in exchange for lower deficits, education and entitlement reform, and jobs via infrastructure and education. Not more tax cuts and deregulation from the right, which goes completely against what Kennedy said.
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Of all the lies and misrepresentations of history commonly spread by Conservatives this misrepresentation of Kennedy's Inaugural address is one of the most egregious. Contrary to the common Conservative lie that quote was NEVER meant to justify the incessant selfishness of the Conservative Movement nor the rampant pandering to a new American aristocracy to which they aspire.
Kennedy's inaugural was a call to common purpose. It was an invitation to JOINTLY build a better nation. It was a brilliant vision of what the world could look like if we work TOGETHER. For proof of that look no further than another quote from the same speech...one that Conservatives NEVER quote;
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jfkinaugural.htm
Find anything, anything at all that inspiring in the Conservative world of FYIGM...I dare you to try.
HEADLINE: "Republicans say Mr. Obama is using bin Laden's death for political gain, and they don't like it."
Well, that's just too damn bad, now, isn't it?
It seems to me that the Republicans had 7 years under the "leadership" of President What's-His-Face (sorry, I'm not allowed to say his name) to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and what did they do with that opportunity?
No, let's go to Iraq instead.
The GOP was more interested in using bin Laden as their own little "Boogeyman"..."Vote Republican or bin Laden's gonna get ya!"
The lady doth protest too much, methinks!
Lest we forget all the Repub fear-mongering about how Obama - crypto-Islamist that try to paint him as - would cause the destruction of America because he was a weak-willed apologist who didn't have what it takes to stand strong against America's enemies?
Well, Mitt, Dicky C, Turd Blossom, Koch Bungholes, et al payback's a bitch isn't it! Yes there are many intellectually lazy lemmings in this country who you can fool with your hypocracy and feigned outrage, hopefully the rest of the voting public has had enough of the cliff falls the Neo-cons can't seem to avoid running off of.
The Republicans are the biggest bunch of cry baby whiners.
"A unifying event"? Is he seriously trying to claim that conservatives actually supported the President on this a year ago? All I remember is a bunch of twaddle about not believing it was really bin Laden because we didn't get to see the body, and another bunch of whining about the President trying to take sole credit for the raid when "all he did" was give the order, and still more phony outrage about the President not having consulted with Congress first before making the call.
"Unifying event"? Aside from whining, about the only thing the right wing is really good at is revisionist history. Or as it's known in some circles, lying.
JoAnne, don't forget still more whining about not having the Pakistani military take the lead on the mission, or perhaps even perform the whole operation...when OBL was being PROTECTED by elements of the Pakistani government.
JoAnne and John B---they also spent a lot of time a year ago claiming (erroneous) credit for the death of OBL because of the waterboarding and other torture techniques the Republicans permitted. It was hardly a unifying event--more like a bunch of sour grapes.
DaNoid, well said.
Ed Gillespie avoided answering most of David Gregory's questions yesterday and Gotcha let him. Gillespie called it a unifying event; it was for the American people but as JoAnne pointed out, the GOP wasn't part of all the people. We can easily remember the immediate shift of the GOP to trying to take credit for George Bush, for trotting out water-boarding as how OBL was found, blah blah. We could also go to FR archives and read what the right-wing posters wrote the Monday after the Sunday night announcement by President Obama. Last Friday, on The Week Ahead, I reposted the "And that's the way it is" post from that week. It's very telling about how "unifying" the GOP and right wingers behaved.
Yep, violating a soverign nations air space without any warning on a mission of assassination is so in line with promoting America as a supporter of the "rule of law". At least obama could have personally called the pakistan leader a minute or two prior to the assualt.
Seem to recall quite the uproar about this tactic when japan bombed pearl harbor.
You'd be siding with McCain or Bush had he ordered in the strike. You're just jealous because Obama killed him and proved that Democrats are actually better at foreign policy than your trigger-happy Republicans. And there is the threat that Pakistan could have moved to save Osama bin Laden; for God's sake he was there for 5 years and just a few miles away from the nation's top national academy! Stop spouting right-wing drivel and seek the truth, "american," for the truth shall set you free.
Oh and the Japanese bombed our ships and killed our sailors. We only went in to kill a Saudi Arabian terrorist and his cronies; not Pakistani civilians or soldiers.
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Great post, Jody. What makes the faux Republican outrage even more ridiculous is that we learned this week that on the very day that President Obama was inaugurated in the face of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, the Republican "brain trust" (and I use that term loosely) met to plot out how they would defeat him. This went beyond politics as usual---the nation faced a crisis every bit as serious as the 9/11 attacks and the Republicans did every thing they did to thwart the recovery. And to add icing to the cake, they now criticize President Obama for the slow pace of the recovery--you know, the recovery they tried to stall at every turn. The sprinkles on the icing is their "pledge" to Grover Norquist, which seems to supercede their oath of office.
This coming from the party that said "Making sure (President) Obama is a one term president is the only platform of the Republican't party. Nothing else matters."
Looks like the Corporate Republican't Teabagger Party is sticking to that and opposing everything that Obama has done... This includes President Obama's Extermination of Bin Laden.
Shameful to the Nth degree from the Republican'ts. This crosses the line and I feel the Republican'ts need to Apologize.
And thats my opinion.
Thanks and great points, Steeler Fan. Cantor, McCarthy, Ryan, Pete Sessions, Hensarling, Hoekstra, Lungren, DeMint, Kyl, Coburn, Ensign, Corker, Gingrich, Frank Luntz met after President Obama was sworn in to plot "dividing" the country, to plot adding more suffering for the American people in the name of winning the next election. They aren't patriots, they are traitors--Party First, to hell with the country.
That's why we need people in there who really want to work together for the good of the country and not for their political futures.
Alan - just how do you propose to go after terrorist targets who hide within countries that we are not at war with - that includes Yemen and Somalia - two of their newest breeding grounds, and of course our big Afghanistan ally -Pakistan who was harboring Bin Laden?
I would prefer drones that have been highly effective in breaking up the top leadership of al qaeda to a wait and see if they make it onto our soil program or a boots on the ground program. What I also don't want is an over dependency on drones to the neglect of other needed anti-terrorist measures,which is what I am afraid we are inching toward.
Its all infringement of the Sovereignty of a nation. One is just from afar!
What is the moral difference between a drone that inflicts "collateral" damage and a terrorist car bomb?
Alan - what's the difference between a bullet from their gun and one of our guns? What is the difference between our bombing and their mortars? Which side your on.
But I still ask - what would you propose that we do in Yemen and Somalia? Should we have asked Pakistan permission to go after bin Laden when they had proved in the past they were playing a game on several sides?
It's not perfect. But tell me what other strategy we should use to fight this group.
Katheryn - It is not about "asking permission" just prior to an event but rather setting up the diplomatic avenues to allow for it with minimal lead time.
Seems like you are a proponent of "the ends justify the means", but only if you support the "ends".
Wait! I know! Get out of there and leave the middle east alone! Who gives a rats ass about them! We are just creating another generation of terrorists. They hate us. All of them.
American - you've given me something to think about.
I don't know all of the answers - but American - we had the diplomatic avenues in place with Pakistan. How would you have handled it - in the past,everytime we told them of an operation we were going to undertake,mysteriously the other side had a heads up and was not there. So what do you do?
Yemen and Somalia are not our best friends, they are best friends to the terrorist they are sheltering. It is another Pakistan,only worse. How do you handle that?
And I really am seeking discourse
This is an oversimplification, but in a nutshell: Those employing drones are selective about their targets and try to minimize collateral damage, whereas the terrorists employing car bombs apparently love indiscriminate collateral damage and only want more of it. That and the only thing that makes the terrorists selective at all about what they bomb is the their limited supply of explosives and volunteers. If the terrorists had the drones, you can bet your bottom dollar they'd be using them just like they do the car bombs: to blow up anyone and everyone they can with them, limited use subject only to the supply of explosives and people to run them.
If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.
I was gonna comment, but Tony here pretty much summed it up. Nice job, mate.
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Republicans, the ones who snapped up political images of them standing on the rubble of 911 with a bullhorn, walked away from taking bin Laden out when they had their chance. For them it's a political failure they do not want voters to remember. Even Sen. McCain will not acknowledge the guy was not in his sights during his presidential campaign. Now GOPers whine President Obama is the one who did the job. If fact, it could be said ... their job.
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Exactly correct. Pres Bush made comments in an interview that getting OBL was not a priority. They had OBL bottled up in Tora Bora then for political reasons (being very naive) they PAID warlords to get him. The Bush Chenney dummies never studied world history and failed to know that duplicity, lying and deception is a geneticically superior feature in the population there. They took Bushes money, then they told OBL and he paid them even more and let him walk out to Pakistan. And those warlords were allowed to keep their money and go on about their business - having offerd a convincing cover story to the weak minded Americans. Finally after 9 years our vaunted intel network figured out where OBL was and Pres Obama sent in the Seals and got him. Job well done Mr. President and all credit to Obama for a tough decision. IT's not like Mr. Obama went in there and got him personally, and I believe that if the mission had failed Mr. Obama would still be able to say he tried when Bush punted. Let the Republicans go on about something else. They forfeited the right to complain about who got OBL.
Let's get rid of the FBI for incompetence, after all, how many years does it take to track down the top ten? And they are only dealing within a domestic environment.
Yet you all think that tracking down someone internationally is faster or even easier. LMAO....
Hay what about the politics of OBAMA now he wants to tax 401K plans. So citizens save in order to be taxed to pay for his stimulus? It would not dent $15,000,000,000 Trillion. Than we have 20 blacks with brass knuckles and bats, gang up on one white man doing nothing last week, not a word is published. This kid is dying in a hospital and they find one of the offenders that called him a racial name and never mention hate crime. This was caused by ABC when they lied and still have not told the truth about their lies in the Trayvon Martin case.
In fact, if justice is served the Government Democratized Elected Prosecutor that took the case after the first prosecutor found on fault should be tried. Lets see if this happens and lets continue to watch the race card being played by OBAMA and the Socialist news because this President has no record to stand on and is scum. What makes the democrats so stupid they want to follow instead of news?
Off-topic, and factually confused in almost every sentence. Where are you getting these wildly wrong ideas?
They are great at making up their own GOP lala land facts. That is why they are known as the party of half wits.
Job1 - oh I think you give them too much credit. Half-wits? That's a gross exaggeration!
JG, well, duh--401K plans are already taxed the minute you withdraw money from them.
Actually most of what he said is true, Jody I suggest you review how it would affect your 401K. Name calling diminishes any of your arguments, in fact it shows your lack of an argument.
The attack on the kid occurred in Mobile,AL, I think, ..... and yes, it was a hate crime !
Seeking Sanity: I got so angry yesterday watching that jackass Castellanos try to totally disrespect Rachel Maddow and all women with his ridiculous lies and his condecending attitude. The interruptions were completely over the top and just proved that the repubs have no respect for women or their issues. Then there was the ignorant repub congresswoman who pretty much showed that the repub attitude towards women is "shut up and do as you're told". Then there was David Gregory who was totally useless to the conversation. He's no journalist. He didn't contest any of the lies that the repubs told and just went along grinning stupidly.
Chris Gilliard, - I know. It was painful to see the congresswoman sit there like "a good little girl" who "knew her place." This is what women in the GOP have been reduced to.
David Gregory is no Tim Russert. I sooooo miss him. His intelligence and integrity always made the program great. I feel he was robbed that he didn't get to see the election with Obama winning. He would have been over the moon!
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Rachel Maddow was brilliant on Sunday! She raises the collective I.Q. of any panel she graces. That GOP congresswoman was utterly outgunned.
I don't care if the Republicans put out a thousand bills about the economy if every bill relating to women is a negative one it stills adds up to a negative for women.
Castellanos typifies the condensing attitude of the Republican Party toward women.
Castellanos thinks all of the anti-women bills that have been proposed by Republicans are not significant because he,the Republican Party and Romney just don't view women as significant.
And you have asked a republican woman about this? You do realize there are a lot of them. And they mostly dont hold your opinion.
jollyoldsoul1 - you're wrong. Most intelligent former Republican women do agree that there is a war on women and won't be voting GOP in November. I don't believe you're qualified to speak for women.
Chris Gillilard, well said. It was so frustrating watching those two republicans yesterday; they are so ignorant they can't even see why women think the GOP is waging an assault on women's rights. Rachel did a great job making Castellanos look like the idiot he was yesterday. It angered me that Castellanos interrupted her before she could even make her point. It took David Gregory several minutes before he finally spoke up and told him to let Rachel make her point. NBC needs to take a good, hard look at David Gregory--he is ruining what used to be "THE" Sunday poltical show.
@jollyoldsoul1:
I am a woman. I come from a republican family so I can say with all honestly, I know a lot of republican women.
Some of them generally follow in their husbands footsteps when it comes to political opinions. Frankly because they're too busy taking care of their families to follow the issues of the day. Perhaps the phrase "barefoot and pregnant" is actually a plot established by republican men to keep their women quiet? Perhaps...
Don't get me wrong, I love the woman I know. I just don't have much respect for ignorance when it comes to women's issues.
As for the ones whom I know, who pay attention, they tend to agree with me and are mad as hell about how different states are handling women's issues, especially when it comes to women's health care (contraceptives, cancer screening) and services for those who have been battered or raped.
So don't assume most republican women believe as their husbands do...
Jolly - I am sure there Republican women who do not agree.
But apparently there are enough other women aside from Democrats,including Republican women and Independents who do agree that it is an issue
And apparently Romney and his surrogates think it's a real enough issue or they would actually treat this as the nonissue they keep claiming it is.
undrdg - Why, in this day would any woman/wife be so subservient as to do or vote as her husband says? Women have come a long way since the early days of women's rights, they are working out of the home, raising children and an important part of our social/economic society. These same men cannot go into the voting booth and vote on behalf of their women/wives so why would anyone feel obligated to support or vote for anyone against their will? What is even more important - don't these women feel their rights, their freedoms, their health and reproductive rights have been removed by these same men?
The big tough, war happy GOP is upset. Chicken hawks like Cheney talked a big game but in the end couldn't do squat. What a bunch of a-holes.
What is it with right-wing politicians choosing not to serve? Our Tea Party governor, Paul LePage, spent the Vietnam War years in Canada, and only came home to run for office when the coast was clear. Tell me again how the Republicans are "stronger on defense?"
See, as things get closer the big gnarly rabbit fangs come out! Picture the rabbit scene in "Pythons, Holy Grail"
AmyB - what branch of service did clinton and obama serve in again? Your argument is lame, but definitley partisan. Please do carry on lamely.
Actually, she never stated that Democrats served more in the military than Republicans. She is just pointing out how Republicans who claim to be "stronger on defense" don't tend to serve in the military.
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In case people forgot, Bush did the same thing but on a much larger scale. Remember the "war" that we just "won"? Point made
Really?
When were the Sadam Hussein execution anniversary celebrations and corresponding propaganda?
So much for not wanting to offend muslims by celebrating bin Ladens death... funny what a difference being desperate during an election year makes.
I am so sick of these lying tea people Koch republican pundits getting on TV and lying about how they congratulated President Obama on killing Bin lauden. They wouldn't even give the President credit for finding and killing him. They even tried to take credit for it. It's time the media, (yes this means you David Gregory) started calling the tea people Koch republicans out when they repeat this lie.
Have you ever thought that maybe they just wont go that far in supporting the left. They will tell little details to make a story......just not big one. There is always a reason!
Mo - Why not take your head out of your azz and review the timelines involved with tracking the couriers to osama and listening to obamas first few press releases. Remember the internet search engines are your friends.
I used to enjoy watching Meet The Press, until David Gregory took over. He never ever calls out the Republicans on their obvious and blatant lies. It makes me wonder if he gets a paid to let them lie. What a sham he has become.
"GOP cries foul, ..."
That's where I stopped reading.
When has a liberal ever read beyond a headline?
They are just mad that Obama is the one that got him and not that dunce Bush.
Is he really a dunce, Jack? Putting your personal feelings aside for one second, think about this. President Bush has shown more respect for President Obama than any of his GOP colleagues, even when Obama needed to slight him for political gain. Perhaps it is because he is actually smart enough to understand the great task of being the commander-in-chief of this country.
Texas T - clearly you're from Texas. Bush understood "the great task of being the commander-in-chief of this country?" He only understood one thing - do whatever it took to kill Saddam Hussein so daddy would be proud of him. It didn't matter how many of our brave men and women died. He frankly didn't give a damn.
And, it still didn't work. At every public assembly where the two Bush's are there - plus Clinton, Bush Sr. prefers Clinton every time. It's your problem you have to have Bush in your state. Don't know how you stand it.
This obviously causes great distress in your life. I would suggest talking to a therapist about this. It could affect other relationships. There are a lot of people I dont like, but its perfectly ok if they live in the State of Michigan. As an example one of the New Black Panthers stated 2 weeks ago that they were going to "Burn Detroit to the ground" Even though I consider that illegal I still can "stand it" that he lives in Detroit with me.
jollyoldsoul1 - All 4 of the Black Panthers - who were arrested. You're probably safe. Clearly you're misreading my post. Doesn't cause me stress. I just don't ever want to see a Bush in the White House again. Or, for that matter, a Republican considering how low life they've become.
Bush has to keep his mouth shut. The GOP has a gag on him. They have to make him fade away and that can't happen if he's out there flapping his yap.
The hunt for Bin Laden started with Former President Clinton, continued with Former President Bush, and ended with President Clinton. Each one added to the final moments that allowed the bravest men and women in our military to bring this man to justice.
Yes, I am a democrat, will clearly vote for Obama in 2012, but it's time to stop pointing the fingers of BS at each other and move on.
TexasT-2966501 - Applause from Dallas.
Shellie, now if only the LIbs. can do that with Biden.
Since when is it a political "foul" to tout your achievements? Last I checked politicians were doing this all of the time.
Considering that at the time of the "acheivement" the administrations positions was not to "spike the football" for fear of retalitory attacks, celebrating it now only highlights the purely political reasons for doing so... not to mention the danger they are inviting on our servicemen.
P.S.
When you remove the general (McCrystal) who was responsible for transforming JSOC into the type of unit that could actually find Bin Laden, for not being a spine-less "yes-man" in a Rolling Stone interview, the fact that JSOC still got Bin Laden was in spite of Obama not because of him.
Let me get this straight: The GOP is trying to downplay the killing of Bin Laden because a Democrat was in charge. HAHA Ha Ha HAhahahahahah. The laugh of the year, for sure!!!
I have to agree with you there, our politicians have become a real joke
No doubt about and we have to listen to this nonsense with media and not talking about reforming elections and get the money out and lobbyists. No they all make their living off these childish conversations. Make me sick while we become a third world country while China, Brazil, and India are gaining and China will pass us. What a scam by big corporations whom own both parties and a McCarthyism by Tea Party if you think differently.
BLAH BLAH BLAH-what else is new. The republicans have done absolutely nothing for the American people and this is all they have.
Blah ! Blah ! Blah ! Obama has done a lot right ?
Stimulus package promoted by Obama failed. Wasted loans on "going-concern" solar company.
No budget, even though we are now in his 4th year of office and he had A Democratic House and Senate in his first two years.
Saddled our country with Obamacare, another government entitlement program, when Medicare is going bankrupt and Social Security soon to follow.
Obama promised to cut federal deficit in half, but has been in charge for greatest debt increase in one term of our nation's history.
Then, a useless war in Libya, increased troops in Afghanistan and failure to close Gitmo as promised.
Who cares if he is. If the shoe were on the other foot, the republicans would be doing the same thing. Nothin but crybabies.
So show us the propaganda that was issued to the media for Sadam Husseins execution anniversaries?
Try remembering events that have already happened before indulging in the fantasy that you know what would happen in any situation.
Like i said pjam09, stop being a crybaby. 13-1, i win.
The difference between "Bin Laden death" and "Mission Accomplished" was that Bin Laden was really killed!!! lololololololol
Yes, thats the difference between the death of a single man and the end of the occupation phase of U.S. military operations. (sarcasm)
I suppose comparing "Sadam Hussein death(and his sons)" to "Bin laden death" and "Mission Accomplished" to "Closing Gitmo" or "troop withdrawal from Afghanistan" would have been too much reality for you.
Pjam: Your interpretation of the whole "Mission Accomplished" thing is summarized as: "the end of the occupation phase of U.S. military operations".
The point is that it was not the end. The war went on for 6 years past that moment. The "Mission Accomplished" crap was pure propoganda, completely false and sensational politics, complete with the chicken hawk himself jumping out of a jet in a flight suit. Give me a break. The GOP later blotted out the banner when promoting Dubya's speech video.
Dont be mad, use Gloop to get that Mccain/Palin Sticker off your car. lolololololololol
The righties are so childish, getting Their panties in a wad over facts. Their Lemming followers must be SO PROUD.
Yeah, I guess you're right. You Lefties never let the facts cloud any issues.
Mt favorite RIght WIng whine is "Obama wasn't pat of Sweal TEam Six - TO them I share the information that I have pictorial evidence that GEorge Washington did not so much as put an oar in the water ( he had his men row!!!!!!!!)in his hyped up trip acrosss the Delaware!!! ANd the crack in the liberty Bellll was an inside job!!!!