Breathtaking isn't it, Feisty? Such duplicitous hypocrites and liars. And they seem to think we won't notice.

Ron great post, there are a lot of disingenous shenanigans going on behind the curtain. Keep pulling it back. Half of the previous administration's liars are advising the Romney campaign all planning another Tea Party of sorts.

GBM: Thanks for the shout out. Romney's advisors are untra-conservative.

Instead we get a bunch of rich old white guys sitting in a smoke filled room plotting to overthrow a duly elected President!

By using the democratic system of having voters vote him out at the next election? Hardly treasonous but don't let that stop you hyperbole.

I guess the Public Unions in Wisconsin are reactionaries as they have plotted to overthrow the duly elected Governor using the LEGAL recall process.

Please stop trying to turn the country into a one party dictatorship. We saw how well that worked in the Soviet Union.

Ben, could you elaborate on just how you think Obama is "unamerican". I really would like to hear your thoughts.

And the award for biggest job loss in the nation goes to: (Envelope please!)

Scott Walker, Wisconsin!

Scott Walker striding to the podium:

I would like to thank the Koch Brothers, and Paul Ryan, I couldn't have done this without you.

And Mittens; so glad that you are taking the Ryan plan with you as you campaign for President. MY success, if you follow it to the letter, CAN BE YOUR'S TOO FOR THE NATION!

Thanks to all of you who continue to be hoodwinked by me and the Republican Party. You enrich us daily.

There are only two explanations for the direction taken by the Republican Party. The first is that there is honest disagreement with the Democratic platform and the G.O.P. is working as the loyal opposition. The second is that the G.O.P. has no interest whatsoever in the welfare of the nation. Its goals are the destruction of our nation and our government, and reducing the majority of us to the status of indentured slaves.

There is no longer a question as to what the G.O.P. is doing. Please check this link before you read any further: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html

President Obama has just been inaugurated, and already Republicans are plotting his destruction. No legislation has been introduced by Democrats, no serious roadmap for the country has been laid out. Yet Republicans are already planning to block anything and everything that comes out of Congress or the office of the President.

The economy is in full meltdown. Gross Domestic Product is in freefall, dropping 8.9%. Employment is falling precipitously; more than 700,000 jobs per month. The housing market has fallen off the edge of the world. The financial services sector has looted the economy and is being bailed out by taxpayers. And all the Republicans can think about is destroying President Obama and by extension - the nation.

Then, in a propaganda blitz that takes cynicism to new depths, Republicans scream to the heavens that President Obama has not cured the problems THEY created. That's not enough. They can go further. After they have whored themselves out to Big Money and Megabuck Monstrocorp, they crank up the volume on their propaganda machine and accuse President Obama of fostering class warfare.

There is no longer even the tiniest vestige of defense for Republican obstruction and destruction. Make no mistake, they are the enemy. There is nothing loyal about their opposition.

The ignorant soldiers of the right wing will scream their talking points. They speak of freedom, yet abridge it at every turn. They scream about the sanctity of life and worship war. They scream about their allegiance to their Christ and ignore his teaching. They will do their best to hide the truth, because they cannot refute it.

If these jackals are successful, they will destroy the principles upon which our country is founded. That means the destruction of our freedom and our liberty. Will the day come, when we are relegated to serfdom, and we only dare whisper about the time when we refused to recognize treason?

What Romney actually said the other night is, "he would finally be proud to be an american after he's elected". I'm paraphrasing.

Country before Party.

Seems like the Republicans have forgotten that.

As to Wisconsin: The new report puts state private-sector employment at 2,329,500, compared with 2,323,600 when Walker took office -- an increase of 5,900 jobs.

Terrific posts, Feisty and Ron. Feisty, looks as if we had the same topic in mind this morning. Ron, it is more critical than ever for voters to dig in the weeds and look under the rocks because what Romney speaks is not what he supports. It is important to listen to Romney's words but more important to link them to who and what he endorses because therein lies the real Mitt.

David, the GOP had willing accomplices with their supporters and money men.

And of course the media.

Our only hope for betterment in this country rested with Ron Paul but since he's not going to be nominated, Obama gets those votes.

Poor Ben, you can spin this all you want to. Walker is an immense failure and deserves to be recalled. How many jobs did he say he would create?

Walker: Number one in job loss in the nation!

Own that Ben.

GBM; Reb, the poor little dear that she is, has only one purpose on FR. Trolling. Notice that you never see anything other than that from her.

@Alan

Please stop trying to turn the country into a one party dictatorship. We saw how well that worked in the Soviet Union.

If anything we need another party in contention (Multiparty system) like Britain. That way we could actually vote for who is good rather than who sucks less.

Ben, the truth is the following:

Posted: Apr 25, 2012 8:40 PM EDT

By Katie Coughenour, MMJ - email

LA CROSSE,WI (WXOW)--The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics said Wisconsin lost more jobs in the past year than any other state.

According to the bureau, Wisconsin lost 23,900 jobs. That number translates into a loss of 17,800 government jobs and 6,100 private jobs.

The Walker Administration notes more than 17,000 jobs were added in January and February.

UW-L Associate Economics Professor Taggert Brooks said you can grab data from various periods in time and get two completely different stories.

Brooks acknowledges the addition of about 17,000 jobs from January to February. With numbers down again in March, he states it's hard to know which direction we're headed.

Brooks said that's one reason why economists like to look at longer trends of data and comparisons to other states to determine an accurate measure of job loss or growth.

"We ignore sort of little blips one month here one month there two months, we look at longer term trends and that's where we sort of do have some troubling data. Wisconsin has decreased the amount of employment in the last year, where as pretty much every other state in the nation has added employment. That's a troubling trend," said Brooks.

One reason for the increase in jobs in January and February, Brooks theorized, could be because of the unusually warm winter we had.

He said people might have just started jobs earlier than normal because the weather allowed. Minnesota experienced that warm weather as well and the state had stronger job growth than Wisconsin did.

See what I mean, GBM?

Little Reb can only post middle school insults.

Sometimes I wish we could get the "politics" out of politics as silly as that sounds.

Dave I agree. I always thought many accusations of the Republicans as exaggeration. Recently, since President Obama was elected, my view of that has changed. For a man who hasn't done much that should soley please the left it completely confuses me why he is so hated by the right.

However this hatred is not the root of the issue, it is only the symptom. The true cause is the GOP itself. Rather than working with the current administration they arduously work against it. They no longer support ideas they themselves create, they oppose anything created by Obama, and they go as far as to criticize a man for his lack of action when in most cases they were the ones who caused it.

Their actions do not make sense. Often, their words and behaviors never allign and it is through this discrepancy that one can see it. The republicans, at least the ones in power, do not really care about the state of the country. It is not about doing what is best for all of America. I am not even sure if it is about the rich anymore. It is simply about how things should be done "their way".

They refuse to compromise, they refuse to listen, and worst of all they refuse to grow. Often in business a product becomes obsolete due to innovation. This is one of those times I wish things in government did not work so slowly.

WISCONSIN MARCH UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DECLINES TO 6.8 PERCENT
Preliminary BLS estimates: More employed, fewer jobless compared to year ago

http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dwd/newsreleases/2012/unemployment/120419_march_state.pdf

Numbers up in January

Updated: Thursday, March 8th, 2012 | By Tom Kertscher

With the U.S. gaining jobs and Wisconsin losing them in recent months, there has been high anticipation for the monthly jobs reports released by the Wisconsin Department of Workforce Development.

The department released its latest report on March 8, 2012. It contains preliminary employment figures for January 2012 . . . .

The report shows -- based on preliminary estimates -- the state added 15,700 private-sector jobs in January 2012.

If anything we need another party in contention (Multiparty system) like Britain. That way we could actually vote for who is good rather than who sucks less.

I would agree but as I said before the problem in gerrymandering by both parties to create safe seats. This is one of the unintended consequences of the civil rights movement. I doubt you can convince minorities (and why should they) to give up "their" representative to create competitive districts.

Also, a third party can never be effective at Presidential level because of the electoral college. That is one area I would be for a constitutional amendment and move it a popular vote, with run-offs until one candidate has a majority. I think this is the way France does it. So yes you would get 20% for the lunatic candidate in the first ballot but things would settle down after that.

Unfortunately that is not going to happen either because small swing states like the influence they have because of the electoral college, while the most populous, Florida excepted, are ignored.

excellent post,Feisty. Good info though, regrettably, not surprising. As I've said repeatedly, they hate Obama more than they love our county. And I guess I'd agree: that's treasonous, though given their refusal to even hold Reagan accountable for his crimes against the Constitution or against humanity, I'm sure they will never be charged.

Ben-636050

WISCONSIN MARCH UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DECLINES TO 6.8 PERCENT
Preliminary BLS estimates: More employed, fewer jobless compared to year ago

Looks like maybe that's just because people are giving up looking for work

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Governors/2012/0425/Wisconsin-posts-biggest-US-job-loss-as-Gov.-Scott-Walker-fights-for-his-job:

Wisconsin posts biggest US job loss, as Gov. Scott Walker fights for his job

Wisconsin lost 23,900 jobs between March 2011 and March 2012, according to data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. It also lost more private-sector jobs than any other state.

Illinois, which Walker mocked for raising taxes rather than firing public sector workers, has been adding jobs.

toughluv: Stuff it.

What do you think the birth certificate story was all about?

Racists.

The voice of the disgusting progressive party:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ5TnP9obbk

Ben is still trying to prop up his hero Walker.

Sorry Ben, can't be done, facts are facts.

Alan, I think the way elections are held does need to be revised. I do not have a solution for it, but there are more intelligent people than me who's job it is to fix it. The electoral college does not make as much sense as it used to, but at the same time I agree that we cannot simply drown out the minority states.

My problem though is what we have done instead is drown out those who lie in the opposite party as their state. I do not think there is a true argument on why it is that their vote counts. We have forgone one minority to lift another.

NDD... so true, they have nothing of any substance to say, I guess it goes to to the old axiom, you get what you pay for and they know a thing or two about pandering.

As for me, I know about character and the importance of standing for what you believe in, supporting a man of good values and moral strength, who will not let half the nation rot while the other half steps all over them. I support President Obama and what he is trying to do in spite of the machinations of those who oppose him because he is a Democrat and happens to be black, our first black President.

Ben, Wisconsin hired police and teachers after passing the limits on union bargaining. Without the limits, Police, Fire, and Teachers were going to face certain layoffs for years to come.

Otherwise, I suspect that Wisconsin is like Ohio. We too have had a dramatic decrease in unemployment. We have shown an increase in jobs where Wisconsin has incurred a smaller loss in jobs. The reason our rate has dropped is because people have left the state to get jobs, are now taking early Social Security, taking Social Security Disability, or just have given up seeking work.

Naw, them pubbies aren't racist.

Look at how vigilant they have been in looking at Romney's Birth Certificate.. you know. the candidate with a documented illegal Mexican alien as a father.. the Mexican Anchor baby..

just look at how the true Americans have gone after Romney.

oh wait.. they haven't.. because their outrage at Obama's citizenship is completely fabricated.

Pat Boston MA.

toughluv: Stuff it.

What do you think the birth certificate story was all about?

Racists.

Ben,

Wisconsin leadsnation in job losses but sees drop in unemployment numbers … why …

From March 2011 to March 2012 the state lost a total of 23,900 jobs. The majority of those--17,800--were public sector jobs, but the 6,100 private sector jobs lost marked a higher number than any other state in the country over the same 12 months.

http://dane101.com/current/2012/04/25/wisconsin_leads_nation_in_job_losses_but_sees_drop_in_unemployment_numbers

Ron...nice post. Can we say "PNAC"? Where was ol' potato man, Dan Quayle? He should have been behind the curtain too.

@ Ben...Romney in 2012 won't be a new beginning. It will be a continuation and acceleration for 30 years of Voodoo economics- that failed theory that led us up to the 2007-2008 holocaust, you know, the evnt responsible for all of those unemployment claims.

Reb...seek help...when the ACA kicks in soon, you can afford your therapy and medication.

Gingerbread Mama...you rock!!!!can I call you dear?

Overseas, Great Britain's austerity policy has led to a double-dip recession, while in the U.S. with its modest stimulus spending, the economy is growing, albeit sluggishly.

Another interesting fact pointed out by Greg Sargent at the WaPo, is that during Obama's presidency there has been a net GAIN of 400,000 jobs in the private sector. Obama is only in negative territory because of the loss of public sector jobs, thanks to the layoffs of public sector workers at the state and local level, mostly by teabag governors as in Texas and Wisconsin.

Those fired public sector workers still have to buy things like houses, cars, and food from the private sector, so those layoffs have impacted the private sector, slowing down the economy. Whether or not the Republicans are acting out of blind ideology or with the full knowledge that firing public sector workers is depressing the economy, I don't know. But of course, they'll blame Obama for the results of their own bad actions regardless of which is the case. And most of the "serious" news media will ignore it.

Funny how Ben is cherry-picking his numbers from only a small amount of the data and specifically excluding the massive job losses in the public sector in the last year plus since Walker took over as governor. The overall employment in the state is down about 24,000 jobs in the last year while pretty much every other state in the country has posted fairly solid job gains overall. How's that Walker "leadership" working out for everyone in Wisconsin?

The far right wing freaks in this country have taken over the GOP/TP. This same neo-Nazi skinhead group has also attempted to take over in Europe. Even though they have tried to temper their message to the moderates by wearing clothing to cover up the tattoos and donning wigs to cover their shaved heads, and changing their message from 'Die Jews/non-whites/gays/women' to 'protect white boy freedoms', they are still the same bigoted, hate-filled, gun toting derelicts of the original founders of the movement. And while they continually attempt to overtake the governments of this country and Europe by pulling the puppet strings of the McDonnell's, Cantor's, and Ryan's and Romney's of the GOP, as noted in this CNN article, they are failing, at least in Europe. The question for America in this election cycle boils down to whether we vote GOP/TP and submit to a country run by fanatical far right-wing neo-Nazi freaks, or do we want to return to the values life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/24/world/europe/europe-far-right-austerity/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2

Funny how the basis of this post is evidence of common knowledge. Wow the republicans don't want Obama reelected.

You tell me what's worse republicans and democrats doing what they have done for 200 years. Or a sitting President telling a foreign government I don't want to negotiate missile defense systems because it may hurt my reelection chances?

"I will have more wiggle room after the election" Meaning leave me alone for the rest of the year and you can have what you want.

I don't agree with the way our government works, however I am not naive enough to think only one party is the problem with Washington politics.

Thomas Blue: Thanks for the shout-out. You are correct that there are others, but to list them all would take pages. Just the most nasty are mentioned first.

Everything we say and write is recorded some place.

WOW!!!

Really?

I had no idea... lol

@truesaid

Our only hope for betterment in this country rested with Ron Paul but since he's not going to be nominated, Obama gets those votes.

I seriously doubt many Ron Paul supporters are going to vote for a big government progressive. I suspect most will vote for Gary Johnson and many of the rest will choose the lesser of two evils and reluctantly vote for Romney.

When right-wingers collapse posts, the truth just disappears. Don't talk about something; it didn't happen. Ignore facts and create your own reality.

Welcome to the G.O.P.

No longer honorable. Not even a little. Republicans have simply lost all their credibility with reasonable thinking americans. Completely spent it. Now... (lol)... running a monstrous deficit in the credibility dept. Mitch McConnell will go down in history as the most unhonorable man to walk the senate floor and american soil. Republicans are simply a stain on our flag at this point and it is because of their own leadership. Idiots all and every one. Polarized to a point of completely ignorant.

Come off it guys. Talking about a bunch of rich old white guys isn't racist, it paints a picture. Yknow, the old boy network, grey haired and evil, smoking cigars and plotting out our futures for us? It's not like Feisty said "kill whitey" or anything like that.

Fisting Redhead Roselle, IL..are you really serious? You don't think the Democrats have the very same meetings and try to do the same thing to incumbent Republicans. You can't be that naive (stupid yes). That is the only thing that Reid and Pelosi and that nasty Wasserman Sh*tz (I imagine she is your idol) concentrate on and you are a prime example of the shills that just repeat their bullet points. How do you think BOTH parties representatives keep their jobs? Hint: it's definitely not by representing the will of the people. You need to lay off the booze the night before you post so you can focus. Or maybe just stick to copying fictional satire like you have done before and posting it as reality in the hopes that people won't read the last paragraph for the disclaimer. You are a piece of work..

FRH, you seem so angry and vulgar these days....

acting like a nervous Nealy

Bob for all the faults todays democratic party has, it is light years ahead of the todays GOP. You don't win myself or any progressive over by insulting us. Talk about how the GOP will help people or STFU. I may have to change parties after this election. You are the peice of work if you think I will accept what you wrote as a thoughtful considerate post.

....meanwhile Obooboo and the Dumbocraps still have not as much as proposed a budget in three years or a deficit reduction plan either.......as usual, they have no accomplishments to run on and depend upon the extreme stupidity of the Obamabots as displayed in these threads.....America is not impressed with your failed empty suited Bozo and will send him back to the Chicago "community" in November....

First off, enough name calling, it is useless. Secondly, our President and Romney both deserve respect, so the "Obummer" and "Mittens" remarks just show that your mentality is that of a child.

I'm a democrat that is tired of hearing the blame game, and tired of hearing "congress won't vote with us", it is time this failed "leader" step down. For every one thing he did right, there are 15 more important things that didn't get done, and a "leader" is supposed to lead, call up the Republican heads and GET THINGS DONE!

Being a Democrat doesn't mean that I'm going to be a blind fool, unlike most posers here.

You all make me sick!

sirie

I appreciate the honesty in your opinions. I was a republican turned independent after the Bush years. The mentality of the radicals on both sides is amazing.

| Everything we say and write is recorded some place.

WOW!!!

Really?

I had no idea... lol

Apparently the LibsRUs experience wasn't much of a teachable moment.

sirie - gee - now you're being bad. And, darlin - you've never been a Democrat in your life - just another Republican poster who hides behind that claim.

Ben - if there is anyone unAmerican around it's the people calling our President unAmerican - that means you. You post nonsense and made up numbers. But that's sooooo "American" isn't it?

This is all just such B.S. Seriously. Let me translate a bit...

What the GOP says: Pander, pander, fear monger, pander.

What the GOP means: Keep them riled up, blaming anyone that doesn't "seem" like them and fighting against their own interests, so we can maintain the status quo.

What the Dems say: Pander, pander, ego boost, pander.

What the Dems mean: Keep them pointing fingures elsewhere and make them feel better about how progressive they are, so we can maintain the status quo.

Personally, I'll take the Dems, because at least I won't be voting against my own interests, but let's all just say it, it's sooo freeing...

This is nothing but a show. I'm just at my wits end with it today. I hear nothing new, nothing innovative, just more of the same old, B freaking S.

Sirie

The Radical left Liberals will never accept a democrat Saying anything against Obama or any thing positive about Romney. You will be collapsed and ridiculed. I find your comment refreshing. It restores my faith that there may be some reasonable Democrats out there.

Pheww! I've read this whole thread, and among all of the usual liberal blathering, no one asks the obvious question....how does the NBC crew know how many electoral votes either candidate has in any given state at this point? I mean, there has been no vote, and Chuckie and the gang cite no polls; so, where did they get their data? I suspect that they just made this s**t up, and considering that they are all dedicated Obama brown noses, the whole article is meaningless!

We can talk until we are blue in the face but Republicans, regardless of the outcome of the presidential election, will not get it unless we impose economic sanctions upon them. Boycott all Republican owned businesses as much as you possibly can. Starve the Pig. They will get the message.

Of course, if Mitt Romney wins and has a republican congress, we are headed for the worst global Depression in history and the economic boycott will be automatic. The Republican economic plan will trigger economic armegeddon. They will not only screw the country but themselves as well.

Republicans are trying to fulfill their doomsday prophecies. They like the drama.

Mitt Romney is Sarah Palin in pants. He has gotten by on his daddy's money and his looks and now he thinks he's presidential material because he looks the part. He is a dim pretty boy, nothing more. The man has never had an original thought in his life. He and his kind represent everything I hate about this country. Those who support him and think they belong to The Club because they do, make me even sicker.

The desperation of the Republicans is palpable. The electoral map doesn't bode well for them.

They have disenfranchised women and the Hispanic vote. If the Supreme Court strikes down health care, then the Republicans will have to propose something to replace it with which will end up being less robust than what is already in place. If the Supreme court uphold's the immigration law in AZ, then Hispanics will be more fired up.

Look for team Romney to put together a health proposal and a DREAM act of their own.

In the end, for Republicans, health care is for the rich, and a DREAM act will be seen pandering to their base.

Not good news for team Romney.

There are way too many factors in deciding the Hispanic vote. (any vote for that matter) Whether relevant or not many minuscule things can alter people's view on the future of America.

Rubio is one major factor. Another factor regardless of our personal thoughts on the matter is the tensions that can be created by the Zimmerman trial. Florida is an important swing state. They have a large Hispanic population, even something we see as removed from politics can have an impact on voters thoughts and ideas.

Sarah, first time I've agreed with you except for the voting part. I've seen what Obama has done and I don't know what Romney will do. I'm willing to give him his try and if that doesn't work , four years later we'll try it again.

You have to addMITT ....

At least Romney can add and subtract ....

Coming up on $16 trillion in debt .... "LOL"

Thanks Obama ....

Bob-1136191

You don't think the Democrats have the very same meetings and try to do the same thing to incumbent Republicans. You can't be that naive (stupid yes).

You can't be that stupid, Bob, to not understand that it's the METHOD by which the Republicans are trying to win that doesn't pass the smell test.

This is what one of the Republicans said at their conspiratorial meeting the very same day Obama took office:

"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," Draper quotes McCarthy as saying. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign."

Now, there's nothing unusual about challenging Democrats "on every single campaign." That's just normal politics in a democracy. What's totally ABNORMAL is the Republicans agreeing to oppose Obama on "every single bill" regardless of whether it was good for the country or not. The merits of legislation don't enter into Republican equations anymore. They are not in Congress to govern in the present; they are there to seize power.

And the Repubs have acted on their conspiracy, as proven by their shrill opposition to the individual mandate that most of them in office in the 1990's were backing, like Senator Grassley who was for it before he was against it because Obama was for it.

What would you have called it if the Republicans in Congress during World War II blocked spending bills for the war effort because it would hurt FDR and help them win elections if the Axis won the war? Most people would call it treason, and the Republicans in Congress are venturing dangerously close to that line.

Yeah close to treason for opposing a Bill that the Supreme Court has been forced to rule on. Or spending bills that were opposed due to the lack of a budget.

It's one thing to disagree, it's another to attempt to vilify people simply because you disagree.

Like I said before I don't agree with how our government is run, but both are guilty. Democrats have played the role of obstructionist as well and is nothing new.

Sarah-3043284
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There!... Right there! We've found something we can agree on! lol
Except the 'voting for the Dems' thing...I still haven't decided which is worse.

BigTex,

I thought we already agreed on the joys of a good "f" bomb??? And all this time I thought you were my soul mate.

Colorada used to be a red state, but in 2004 old George Soros and his money went into Colorado with Ron Stein created an organization called the Colorado Democracy Alliance with one purpose: taking over Colorado politics from the precinct all the way up to the State House and it worked. By 2008 (and the Dem. Convention) Colorado had gone from Red to Blue.

I see it is now a swing state so it appears to be reverting back to Red, but goes to show you how insidiuous Soros and his puppet can be!

"We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America." Barack Obama (October 30, 2008) ........... (with thx for quote to Eva P)

Scary stuff, eh? We are closer now to becoming a Greece or Argentina than ever before! All thanks to the 'left wing conspiracy' started by George Soros and implimented by BO!

Romney 2012, more than ever!

Rub of,

Sounds just like Wisconsin and the Koch brothers.

1. This would be great news for Obama IF the election were next Tuesday. I am totally indifferent to polls until September, then I begin to pay attention. If you go back to this period in 1980, Carter was stomping Reagan by double digits, how well did that work out for old Jimbo? Likewise for Bush I. I seriously think the Democrats initially backed Clinton more because they considered him expendable, Bush I looked unbeatable, not so much, but then again he likely would have been re-elected but for the yappy little Texan that siphoned votes away from Bush.

2. Anyone willing to make a wager on the recall race in Wisconsin? Walker wins going away. For the record, jobs looses during the Jim Doyle years were far worse than now. By democrat math that would translate to 50,000 jobs saved just in Walkers 1st term. I also suspect that someone at BLS is playing politics with the numbers. I have never seen a state singled out in regards to jobs data, looks like a concerted effort between the democrats and their accomplice media to make Walker look as bad as possible. It won't matter, the voters of Wisconsin already see the benefits of Walkers plan and they will turn out to support him in June. So far the democrat strategy has been to invent issues, (war on women) they won't even touch the ones that initially got their collective panties all bunched up as they know they lose and lose badly on it. By the way, why are the same demoncraps pleading for patients when it came to giving Odumbos policies a chance to work, were the same people already castigating Walker less than a year into his term. Keeping in mind there is ever growing evidence that Walkers ideas have worked while Odumbos have been spectacular failures.

So easy to spin a map, but how about providing Mr. Obama's, and his administration's, performance information instead. If that happened, Mr. Obama would be in the NEGATIVE column:

1. Obama laughing about Stimulus #1 $ 862,000,000,000 FAILURE: At the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness in Durham, NC, Obama smiled and interjected, "Shovel-ready was not as ... uh .. shovel-ready as we expected." The Council, led by GE's Jeffrey Immelt, erupted in laughter. Erupted in laughter. Unemployment remains above 8 percent.
2. Obama slamming Wall Street Fat Cats: "I did not run for office to be helping out a bunch of fat cat bankers on Wall Street," Mr. Obama said in an interview on CBS's "60 Minutes" program on Sunday. However, Wall Street still received a TARP bailout for these very same “Fat Cats”.
3. Obama attacks Arizona: President Barack Obama harshly criticized an Arizona measure to crack down on illegal immigration. Case is pending before SCOTUS.
4. Obama attacks Wisconsin Governor while supporting Unions: Obama accused Scott Walker, the state's new Republican governor, of unleashing an "assault" on unions in pushing emergency legislation that would change future collective-bargaining agreements that affect most public employees, including teachers.
5. Obama attacks SCOTUS: “I’d just remind conservative commentators that for years what we’ve heard is the biggest problem on the bench is judicial activism or a lack of judicial restraint — that an unelected group of people would somehow overturn a duly constituted and passed law,” Obama said.
6. DOE Chu raising gas prices and gives self above “A” for job performance: President Barack Obama’s Energy Secretary Steven Chu wants to “figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.” At the time he made the statement, gas cost $7 – $8 a gallon in Europe. At a Congressional hearing, he gives himself above “A” for performance.
7. DOE Region VI Administrator Armendariz attacks American energy production: “It (philosophy of enforcement) was kind of like how the Romans used to conquer little villages in the Mediterranean. They'd go into a little Turkish town somewhere, they'd find the first five guys they saw and they would crucify them. And then you know that town was really easy to manage for the next few years.”

Yep, these “few” attacks and target groups mentioned above indicates some of this Administration’s agenda.

• “An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.”
• Rule 13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.”
• Both quotes; Saul Alinsky.

Yep: 'The end justifies the means.”

Bottom line: after all the dust settles after the Presidential election, there will be a change which will NOT be Mr. Obama's transformation of America since he will be on his last flight back to Cheeecago.

This would be great news for Obama IF the election were next Tuesday. I am totally indifferent to polls until September

SH%# Republicans say only when they are behind in a poll.

Losers 'L'

After they have whored themselves out to Big Money and Megabuck Monstrocorp, they crank up the volume on their propaganda machine and accuse President Obama of fostering class warfare.

There is no longer even the tiniest vestige of defense for Republican obstruction and destruction. Make no mistake, they are the enemy. There is nothing loyal about their opposition.

Excellent comment, David Walker!

There are a lot of good, impassioned Obama supporters who post here, day in and day out. Now that we have essentially entered the general election phase, it's time for all of us to get involved on the ground. Go to barackobama.com and click on 'volunteer' to join the campaign in your community.

This election is far too important for any of us to stand on the sidelines now. We are not going to change the closed minds of these right wing nuts. The best thing for us to do is start working NOW to get out the vote in November.

The Obama campaign needs your help. Your country needs you now, just as much as the patriots in 1776 were needed. Don't let this opportunity to save our nation pass you by.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

It's up to us!

Ron Indiana,

Did you spend some time in the shanty town on campus? That may be before your time but you fit the stereotype. You guys are supposed to be open minded and fair...able to identify hypocrisies. Ironic.

I see Ido is here, spouting here nonsense and lies again. The change in November will be in the House when quite a few Republicans lose their seats and the GOP loses their shirts. Romney will be sent back to wherever he goes when he's not campaigning!

Obama/Biden 2012

In 2008 we were coming out of the worst recession since the great depression, instead of lending a hand to move this country forward, these bastards were betting against America!

More proof (from the mouthes of a Lib ironically), that Obama has made things WORSE. I mean what a statement. And to think they want him re-elected.

Raider - no proof there! Where's your proof?

Ah, the progressive party needs Billy Bob back again. He was the man who accomplished much.

For you Obamanuts, a Clinton joke to end the week:

One day in the future, Bill Clinton has a heart attack and dies. He
immediately goes to hell, where the devil is waiting for him. "I don't
know what to do here," says the devil. "You are on my list, but I have
no room for you. You definitely have to stay here, so I'll tell you
what I'm going to do. I've got a couple folks here who weren't quite as
bad as you. I'll let one of them go, but you have to take their place.
I'll even let you decide who leaves."

Clinton thought that sounded pretty good, so the devil opened the first
room. In it was Ted Kennedy and a large pool of water. He kept diving
in and surfacing empty handed. Over and over and over. Such was his
fate in hell. "No," Bill said. "I don't think so. I'm not a good
swimmer and I don't think I could do that all day long."

The devil led him to the next room. In it was Newt Gingrich with a
sledgehammer and a room full of rocks. All he did was swing that
hammer, time after time after time. "No, I've got this problem with my
shoulder. I would be in constant agony if all I could do was break
rocks all day," commented Bill.

The devil opened a third door. In it, Clinton saw Jesse Jackson, lying
on the floor with his arms staked over his head, and his legs staked in
a spread eagle pose. Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky, doing what she
does best. Clinton took this in disbelief and finally said, "Yea, I
can handle this."

The devil smiled and said "OK, Monica, you're free to go!"

Rush, the real leader of the Republican Party, laid out the Republican marching orders in early 2009 --- "we want Obama to fail". That's been the Republican objective ever since --- to hell with the nation, let's get Obama. There's a difference between being in the opposition and being an enemy. Republicans have always viewed President Obama as their enemy and in their fanatical desire to destroy President Obama at any cost, they have lost all focus on what’s best for America. The 21st century Republican Party doesn't care if the US crashes and burns as long as they can destroy the President. Bottom line, you cannot be a 21st century Republican and be a good American at the same time. The two positions are polar opposite.

However this hatred is not the root of the issue, it is only the symptom. The true cause is the GOP itself. Rather than working with the current administration they arduously work against it. They no longer support ideas they themselves create, they oppose anything created by Obama, and they go as far as to criticize a man for his lack of action when in most cases they were the ones who caused it.

Their actions do not make sense. Often, their words and behaviors never allign and it is through this discrepancy that one can see it. The republicans, at least the ones in power, do not really care about the state of the country. It is not about doing what is best for all of America. I am not even sure if it is about the rich anymore. It is simply about how things should be done "their way".

Outstanding comment, Akeem. This didn't even start with President Obama. It's just a worse reflection of how they reacted when Bill Clinton "stole" the election to which they felt entitled. In turn THAT was just a worse reflection of how they treated Jimmy Carter won the White House that Republicans considered their own.

Feisty - Thanks for your post in #1 above. Why am I not surprised? I miss reading all of my liberal friends in the morning since I have returned to work. It seems like the wackos come out in the evening when the sun goes down - like vampires.

I miss reading all of my liberal friends in the morning since I have returned to work. It seems like the wackos come out in the evening when the sun goes down - like vampires.

They're NOT vampires. They are at work. Kind of makes you wonder....doesn't it? Most conservatives don't have the time to waste that progressive libs do.

In 2008 we were coming out of the worst recession since the great depression...

Where did this statement came from? It isn't true!

Let's look at unemployment numbers:

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics, we can find these numbers for the last 3 months of 2008: October to November, 597,000 jobs were lost; November to December, 681,000 were lost; and December to January, 741,000 were lost. A loss of 2 million jobs in 3 months!

The technical indicator of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth as measured by a country's gross domestic product (GDP). In point of fact, GDP continued to fall through 2009 and we didn't see any increase in GDP until the last half of 2009.

I am all for discussion, but we gotta keep the facts straight.

Sarah-3043284: Sarah I agree with you. Both political parties are playing 'politics'. We have to keep them honest. We should all be Independent and then force the conversation to be meaningful. Essentially hold Politicians to a standard: They must do what they set out to do or else we will fail them by voting them out. Now there will be 2 sides to the debate and we will not get what we want 100% of the time but we know that the persons we elect will be held accountable to a reasonable degree.

I think it is analogous to our work environment. We can't accomplish much by going it alone but we wouldn't accomplish anything if we are divisive. It takes teamwork and trust. It also takes a great leader who does not put himself/herself above the team.

Roy,

you might have had a point if we had not just gone through an exhaustive and hilarious 22+ debates. Unless you are saying that you accept the etch-a-sketch stance, that primary platforms are just pandering machines and that we will not know what Mitt is going to do till the general.

to that I say the etch-a-sketch is a kids toy, Mitt and the Republican party need to put it away and get with the program and stop pandering to their crowds, run on what they think should be their platform instead of what they think everyone wants to hear.

We know enough about Romney to know that he is at least as bad as Obama on flip flopping and more extreme in some cases.

It matters not who "wins"~ George Carlin had it right~ Neither POLITICAL PARTY is offering solutions = NEITHER, to the problems facing this now uneducated natiion~

America is Circling the Drain, right before we get FLUSHED~

Wow IR....that has to be one of your best ever posts. Well done.

I read that piece the other day, and like you I mulled over whether it was worth putting up and commenting, time limits got in the way and I'm so glad it did, as you have commented on far, far better than I could have.

IR, interesting article and interesting turn of events; this points to what may be Romney's biggest problem. Will the evangelicals vote for Mitt Romney or just not vote for President at all?

P.S. I wouldn't vote for Mitt for dogcather either not because he's a Mormon but because he's a liar all day, every day--wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him!!!

Love it, IR, thanks.

Your oh-so-clever attempt to make an issue of Romney's religion by blaming ultra evangelists as opposing him for that reason?

Fail.

Why? Well, for one thing, any attempt to smear Romney for his religion will bring you to one of two evil places. The first is to position democrats as religious bigots. Not, exactly, the best position for the party of peace, love and understanding, is it?

The second evil- opens the door to a full exploration of the Reverand Wright- and the race card will not silence the discussion this time around. You will have opened the door to the discussion- so all bets are off.

There were many people who refused to discuss the hateful teaching of that twisted minister last time around, as they were made to feel uncomfortable about the entire discussion. Once you make religion a fair topic, however, some pretty nasty stuff will hit the rapidly oscillating device. Questions will be raised- such as, who raises their children listening to hate filled diatribes week in and week out? How on earth can anyone sit and listen to virulent anti-Semitism for twenty years- and claim to have not heard? Does Obama concur with the homophobia- and is that why he refuses to sign an EO that would outlaw discrimination against the LGBT community who work for government contractors?

So, you go on right ahead and make religion an issue. When it blows up in your face, don't blame anyone but yourselves.

Meanwhile, the economy is spiraling the drain again. Initial claims for unemployment are "down" by a thousand this week from last- to 388,000. Of course, last week's revision was up three thousand, to 389,000.

It will get worse - because the EPA has its guns aimed squarely at hydraulic fracturing. Think those working in the swing states of Ohio and Pennsylvania know that their jobs will -Poof!- disappear, if, heaven forfend,Obama gets re elected?

You can rest assured that they will be informed- because Romney will inform them.

And you can also rest assured that Romney will force Obama to run on the one thing he wants to avoid- his record. You want to make the road smoother for Romney by introducing religion?

Have at it.

Except no jo, as deluded as you like to be: the bigotry is coming from the right wing nut jobs at Liberty University.

Independent Redneck Va.

Your religious intolerance/bigotry is showing.

That's Mr. democratic moonbat attack poodle to you Bob. Let's try and keep it civil. I see that some among us are trying to deny that we have a schism in the Evangelical Coalition. Don't blame me folks you'll Yahoo's have been preaching this as gospel forever and now it's coming back to you. What goes around generally comes around and mostly at the most inconvenient times.

I realize that the right wing has trouble with reading:

Roy, the bigotry is coming from the nutjobs at Liberty.

Roy Wilson.....NO! Independent didn't get it wrong. Liberty University that bastion of tolerance have it wrong.

Reading comprehension is a problem for you?

Loved your piece,IR.

I do not think the Mormon church is a cult and it upsets me when people talk about Romney not being a Christian.

But then I am not the head of an institution that has been loudly preaching intolerance of other faiths and making money off of it.

The fact that Liberty U. is so disingenuous as to preach one thing, but actuate a different path when advantageous is revealing.

Don't just talk the talk,walk the walk - in this case they show they are willing to sell their beliefs down the river.

I do not think any of you screaming bigotry understand the concept. Possibly because you never had to face it or simple ignorance.

IR was just postin an article that speaks of a legitimate issue Rommney will have to face. Many of you on the right have stated numberous time how all of the right will fall in line and support the Republican nominee. This article suggest the opposite and is supposed to lead to a discussion. IR mad no claims supporting it. It does promote interesting dicussion.

Before all you on the right scream bigotry could you atleast address the question the article addresses? Will this be and issue for Mitt come November? If those people feel that way in my opinion it will be for some of his potential voters.

Independent Redneck: one correction: the Watchtower is a Jehovah's Witness publication, not connected with Mormons.

The voice of the disgusting and racist progressive party. Grand Wizard??? Really???

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/23/chris_matthews_calls_republican_party_the_grand_wizard_crowd.html

"If there was ever a job Willard was unqualified for - it would be anything having to do with dogs..."

Mittens could transport the dogs to BO's cooks. He apparently has a taste for them.

Stoopid I stand corrected to be honest I don't pay much attention to either........ Katheryn and Akeem thank you for stopping by and adding some cognitive thoughts today. It's always appreciated.

If you feel that it is important to post this "legitimate" problem about Romney, you should also include the number of Evangelical Christians that think Obama is a Muslim, or don't identify with "God Damn America" Christianity.

The whole idea of planting seeds of doubt about the faith of the candidates is a real two edged sword. Just saying.

If the Republican contender was leading in the polls, does one think msnbs would report it?

IR,

Your anti-Christian bias aside, who you choose to invite into your home remains entirely in your hands. If you choose to put all invitations to your home to a vote, then logically, you are allowing spouse and children to be a part of daily life, in the family, so to speak. The issue at Liberty University is their family issue...not yours. Whether you have faith, as a foundation to your daily life or not, your verbalized judgment of Evangelical Christians smacks of hypocrisy coming from the dark shadows of your soul.

When Democrat Mo Udall, a Mormon, ran for President, his religion was never an issue, as I recall. I liked Udall, he was funny.

Harry Reid is a Mormon, and it hasn't prevented Democrats from making him Leader of the Senate.

Democrats respect freedom of religion, but Republicans only respect freedom, when it applies to themselves, or their "own kind." For instance, how can a Libertarian agree with requiring people to carry papers with them, identifying themselves as citizens? And yet, Republicans defend the Arizona laws giving police more power to detain people without papers.

I've heard Republicans claim they feel "persecuted" in America for their religious faith, and yet, all the "cult" talk I hear about Mormonism comes from the Right.

Don't worry Roger we have more than enough Yahoo's that are willing to go on forever about that very subject if you let them. But don't stand on ceremonywhy don't you enlighten us one more time. While you're at it why don't you give us a chorus or two of the "Birther Blues"

Yes Roger, it is fine to post that. But I have confusion in the relation. Like it or not Romney is a Mormon, and Obama is not a muslim. Lets say IR was doing this just to plant seeds. This article would be based in truth the one of Obama being a muslim would not.

The reason I do not fine it as simply planting seeds is the commentary IR puts underneath to stare it away from there. If someone posted something on Obama being Muslim and writes underneath I cannot believe this is circulating its not true I am fine with that. If there is rhetoric promting the idea is when I would have problem.

Feisty,

I want to coomend you for how quickly and unreasonably most of your posts get collapsed. My thinking is that, given that I have seen many that were not at all inflammatory and yet still get collapsed, it must be an indication of how effectively you expose the foolish hypocrisy of the reactionary righties here as well as your ability to dish verbal abuse back on the Rushian megaphones here ( both of which must ne equally galling to them.) I try not to flame at these guys but they (many of them) seem to live in denial and hostility.

Just a thought for all the trogs who apparently love to collapse Feisty...when you collapse the first comment on a line, you collapse a whole line which means that your terribly clever and insightful responses to Feisty don't get to be admired by the rest of the world...just a thought...you guys seem pretty vindictive towards her to the point of self-immolation. That's the first clue that made me think she must be onto something:)

Reagan was 20 points behind Jimma Carter in the spring 1980. How'd that work out?

O'bama loses in a landslide if nothing changes. He is not the Messiah everyone had dreamed of...only the hard core lefties will be left standing with him

Nope greenbear I make it a habit to take my soul out for a little sunnin' everyday. It thrives on it. As far as keeping things in the"family" You need to talk to the Rev.Falwell about that. He chose to intersperse himself in national politics lo those many years ago. What goes around comes around..........T.B didn't get a chance to stop back in and thank you yesterday for your kind words. You just stop by my porch anytime and add some cognitive thoughts.They are always appreciated

You know all those bumper stickers that say "Don't believe the Liberal Media". This is where it starts. Just because these losers print it won't make it so.

Great post IR -

We all know that Romoney the weathervane will be anything, say anything and do anything in order to get elected. Now trying to appeal to the evangelicals -- what won't he do? I wonder how much he had to pay Liberty University for the "honor?"

Oh good, another PMSNBC poll showing obumbo in the lead. We really better take them seriously, hugh?? It's a long way to the election and Mitt hasn't started tearing obumbo apart yet so stand by libs, the best is yet to come!

We all know that Romoney the weathervane will be anything, say anything and do anything in order to get elected.

They all do...they are called politicians. O'bama and Romney are picture perfect examples of them.

AMy B Portland, ME

Doing away with same day Registration is definitely a smart move as it lessens the opportunity for voter fraud. if a person is to stupid or lazy to register ahead of time, they are not what we need in our voters.

THat line about Democrats respecting Freedom of Religion is beyond laughable. Your so called leader with his soon to be tossed Obamacare is tried to make Churches and the institutions they run provide things their religion does not approve of. Yet the Muslim Brotherhood was just honored guests at our Whitehouse. Save the BS, Americans have seen what we have and we want no more of it. ABO in November and Soros can go ruin someone elses country.

Democrats would do even more illegal things in elections if they got the same day registration. They have fought tooth and nail to stop voter I.D. even though in most states one has to show a driver's license to buy over the counter allergy pills. Indiana is prosecuting some of those wonderful Democrats for faking signatures on petitions to get Obama on the ballot there. Yes, wonderful people all for those that can't or won't make it on thier own in the world who have ruined every well intentioned social program ever produced with greed, envy and plain crookedness. Such as Unioins, Welfare, Food Stamps, Housing Assistantce, etc. They take every good idea and run it into the ground to get votes of those who are not intelligent enough to see through thier hype.

If it wasn't for fraud and corruption I doubt a liberal could ever win an election.

The Marine story has been up for 2 days. I am now going to keep track of daily, hourly pro Obama stories on MSNBC starting now.

4/26/ 1 and counting.

I'm not seeing the correlation. There is a difference between objecting to the commencement speaker and objecting to a presidential canidate.

Liberty University is, above all other things, a religious evangelical university. I do see how some (clearly not all) of their students might feel it inappropriate to have someone from outside of their deeply held religous beliefs at their commencement as that is symbolically their release into the world to spread their unique faith. One would think that someone more in line with their belief system would be more appropriate to serve in that capacity. I don't think that's bigoted per se, It would be like having Al Sharpton deliver the commencement at Yeshiva University in NY. It's a weird choice.

That being said, one can believe that someone outside of their faith can be good at a secular job. What these students will have to choose on election day is which of the canidates most closely resemble their political beliefs, not their religous beliefs. As the one student above said, they chose to go to that school because of their religous beliefs, not their political beliefs. All the "no religious test" for president means is that religion can't disqualify you from running for office, not that a potential voter can't use that as part of their decision making process. Hell I can choose to not vote for Romney because I don't like his hair for crying our loud. I am sure that there will still be plenty of conservative Christians still voting for Romney because he is the GOP canidate. Those that choose not to vote for him in the general election for religious reasons are not likely to vote for Obama. It's possible they could swing to Paul, but that's not likely to net anything meaningful for them.

At the end of the day though, it's highly unlikely that the GOP canidate will be able to defeat Obama. They didn't run any decent canidates that would have had a good chance in a general election, anyone with any sort of charisma and talent is hiding out until 2016. Romney only won because he was the least crazy guy running. The GOP knows it isn't going to win the presidency, even if they won't admit it. They will, however, likely win the Senate and keep the House. Their long term plan is going to be to render Obama powerless by blocking him with the legislature. That's what Democrats should be worried about IMO,

These liberal media guys are something else. Could SCOTUS upholding the Arizona Law fire up latinos? Only the illegals the Democrats plan to slip in to vote. Some in Chicago that were identified said they didn't know they shouldn't vote because someone took them to register and to vote.

Actually the upholding of the Arizona law will be welcomed by the millions of legal immigrants who did what they should to get here legally. Are these Obama supporting reporters really dumb enough to think that someone who did it the hard and right way would be mad because the ones who try to do it illegally are told no? Give me a break. This will also make the Muslims, terrorists of other countries, etc come in some other way at lease until all the other border states enforce similar laws. People who immigrated legally didn't come to have the corruption and abuse they left behind follow them, they came here for a chance at a good life for themselves and thier children.

The protest against Romney has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the fact that even Christian Religions have thier faults. Southern Baptists believe no one who isn't a Baptist will go to heaven. Something I've always though was just plan stupid.

The students are all Baptist and are protesting Romney simply because he is a Morman. Something I think is pretty non-Christian. So stop trying to use it for politics, it is just a misinformed bunch of people who think for God knows what reason they and thier religion are the be all, end all. You would think with the world's recent experiences with the Islamists would make them re-think that position.

Come to think of it, maybe a lot of them are Democrats since they also think they are the Saviors of the World. All three are seriously diluded.

That being said, one can believe that someone outside of their faith can be good at a secular job. What these students will have to choose on election day is which of the canidates most closely resemble their political beliefs, not their religous beliefs

Neither, he will attempt to buy them with the student loan interest rate issue and probably succeed. Congress will heed to political pressure and O'bama will claim victory on that issue.

He is not the Messiah everyone had dreamed of.

How fittingly tied to IRs post, and the ridiculous attempts by the right-wing freaks to call him out at as a religious bigot. IR isn't the religious bigot, rather, he is pointing out that the religious right wing-freaks ARE the bigots.

The left and moderates who supported and voted for Obama were never looking for a Messiah, rather, we were looking for a political leader to get us out of the mess left by the former political party that in the name of GOD, lead us into and and left us with a disaster of biblical proportions.

Bush says God chose him to lead his nation

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/02/usa.religion

How fittingly tied to IRs post, and the ridiculous attempts by the right-wing freaks to call him out at as a religious bigot. IR isn't the religious bigot, rather, he is pointing out that the religious right wing-freaks ARE the bigots.

Messiah is used as a figure of speach to describe the unearned hype that O'bama rode into the White House...and I am not religious

Ok no matter what, someone would take this as a political attack. However, didn't you notice that each state with an overwhelming majority of Christian evangelicals Romney lost? Also, notice that Santorum has yet to endorse Romney. Liberals had nothing to do with creating this scenerio. It is what it is. Sorry rightwing nuts but facts are facts.

My advice to everyone is to read the so called health care bill. If you read it and have any reading comprehension at all, it will scare you to death! I especially like the part giving the feds the right to go into anyone’s bank account any time it pleases, and I bet it isn't to put money back in!

Akeem,

I agree, I don't really understand what the problem is. I'm pretty disgusted at Liberty University! This is one of the main things that turns me off to Christianity. There is clearly a disconnect with these people and their belief system. I don't believe that the majority of Christians in the U.S. walk the walk anymore. I know some that do but they are surely in the minority! I love my Christian friends and we love to debate but things never get ugly because we respect each other's opinions like these students should from the GOP presidential nominee and business man.

These students are totally off base with their outrage. They should be honored that the potential (hopefully not) future POTUS will be speaking at their commencement ceremony!

I don't like him but hey, they're probably all conservatives so they're supposed to right?

Fiesty,

Like Thomas, I have also noticed that and it's really annoying to have to keep reopening your collapsed post to read all the goodies below. I'll continue to do it because there's nothing like a Fiesty comment line!

Roger,

"If you feel that it is important to post this "legitimate" problem about Romney, you should also include the number of Evangelical Christians that think Obama is a Muslim, or don't identify with "God Damn America" Christianity.

The whole idea of planting seeds of doubt about the faith of the candidates is a real two edged sword. Just saying."

What in the hell are you talking about? IR was talking about ROMNEY'S problem with voters not that Mormonism is a problem. Who cares if he's a Scientologist for that matter? He's not the right guy for the job so he's got voter problems. Obama has fewer (thank "God") and will hopefully stay right where he is!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!

First, can we stop with the name calling, you're only proving your childish behaviour.

Secondly, both President Obamma and Mitt Romney should be treated with respect, not Obummer or Mittens, these guys are running for the highest office in the world.

Now, that said, I am a democrat that is tired of hearing the blame game, the antics used that "they won't play fair". A leader needs to call in the other party and get them to work for America, not constantly blame and cry foul. I will not be voting Democrat if Obamma is the candidate, I'm not a blind fool like most posters on this site. You democrat sheep make me sick...

Bellagio,

If that's the way you feel maybe you should move to a different country because things are getting way too dangerous for you here. Plus our mental health system is deteriorating, another country would probably be better suited to treat what ails you.

MGates - don't you just love a good 'red' Bellagio conspiracy to start your day? Personally, I simply want a good old cup of coffee, but to each his own. Interesting that the old boozer McCarthy keeps reincarnating .. how un-christian.

usa1967
If it wasn't for fraud and corruption I doubt a liberal could ever win an election.

I don't mind buying an election, but I'll be damned if I will overpay for a landslide."

-Joseph Kennedy, 1960

Sirie,

Really? "You democrat sheep make me sick..." It makes me sick that you don't realize that Obama has invited Republican leaders to talk to him and has tried everything to be bipartisan. I'm disgusted that someone would make their choice of leader of the free world based on knowledge that is lacking. So I guess that makes two sickies here doesn't it?

First, can we stop with the name calling

Not too obvious they never bother to proof read... lol

You democrat sheep make me sick.

Better luck next time!

MGates, Bellagio is right, and he is not the one that should be leaving, Obama and his sheeple need to go find their promised land, but the United States is not it! I heard Greenland is becoming quite nice...

Here we go again....my god is the right god, your god is wrong, no booga booga is the real god , your god is wrong, ...taste great...less filling.........

More lives have been lost in the name of god than for any other reason through the ages. What do we need....... another 911 before you wake up and smell the Ovaltine?

"You democrat sheep make me sick..." It makes me sick that you don't realize that Obama has invited Republican leaders to talk to him and has tried everything to be bipartisan.

You Really believe that Obama tried to work with Republicans? Just because he sits down at a table with them does not mean that he is willing to work with them...

I'm disgusted that someone would make their choice of leader of the free world based on knowledge that is lacking.

This one just makes me laugh!!! You elected a president that had no experience, was a constitutional law INSTRUCTOR, not a professor, Obama never got his doctorate in law...He had no track record, but because of the historical importance your lemmings elected him...

RedDev,

Oh well red is actually my favorite color and how lucky that it aligns with my political beliefs! I'm so glad that everyone is so quick to point out our master plan, oh... uh... I mean, these falsehoods about the Democratic party.

But seriously, EVERYTHING IS WORKING ACCORDING TO PLAN!!!!!! THE CANDIDATE IS IN PLACE FOR THE REVOLUTION!

No, seriously, seriously, I really don't mind it because it makes them sound so crazy and conspiracy mongering. What's wrong with these people? Don't they realize how they sound?

You vote for Obama, you are voting for a communist party endorsed candidate.

posts like this are just more proof that the rightwing has gone full retard.

Seriously, where do you people come up with this crap? If you're going to criticize the President, I could provide you with about 1,000 legitimate concerns to attack him with (and I voted for the man, and will do so again). But come on, "communists", "socialist," etc.?!? WTF are you talking about?!?

It would seem that the most prominent point many rightwingers on this board make is an indictment of our public education system....

You vote for Obama, you are voting for a communist party endorsed candidate. A traitor to the American ideals and the Oath-of-Office. Barry wanted to become President so he can declare himself Ceaser, desolve congress and rule over America.

Just out of curiosity, when you make your tinfoil hat do you go Viking Style or tri-corner Pirate? Also, do you use generic aluminum foil or splurge for Reynolds? I prefer Reynolds, it tends to hold it's shape better...

MGates, Bellagio is right, and he is not the one that should be leaving, Obama and his sheeple need to go find their promised land, but the United States is not it! I heard Greenland is becoming quite nice...

Greenland huh? I suppose you go Viking style then...

You're a fool Mark L because Iceland is the nice one but you're a fool for more reasons than that. Obama TRIED to sit down with these GOP members but they shut him down. Read the post above IR's which will show that the GOP members wanted to shut Obama down before they saw the first order of business he wanted to push. They had no cause (except their own at the cost of the American people and the American dream) to block everything coming from Obama and therefore the Democrats but they planned to do it in secret. Republicans have opposed legislation that they approved of months before when Obama mentions it because they are determined to see Obama fail and with him the America that we all once knew. They are selfish and corrupt and they need to be taken out of office.

And now Obama has some experience under his belt. Another reason I will vote for him (although i didn't the first time around). Thanks for the convo. Have a nice one!

The Two Faces of Sirie:

Quote #1: "First, can we stop with the name calling, you're only proving your childish behaviour."

Quote #2: "I'm not a blind fool like most posters on this site. You democrat sheep make me sick..."

Try and keep your multiple personalities in check. Wow.

jimsepa - got that one too. And, do you like how Sirie claims to be a Democrat? Not a chance in the world! I'm sure there are more personalities of Sirie's we have yet to see! LOL

First off, who says that the article is the truth? (NEWS FLASH) Just because you found it on the Internet does not make it fact...

GOP members wanted to shut Obama down before they saw the first order of business he wanted to push. They had no cause (except their own at the cost of the American people and the American dream) to block everything coming from Obama and therefore the Democrats but they planned to do it in secret.

The difference here is that they actually listened to what Obama was saying he was going to do. They were preparing for him to actually carry out his campaign promises...lucky for them he promised the people things that he himself never planned on living up to. Next time choose a candidate for their qualifications, not because their campaign symbol looks a lot like your favorite soda...

Mark L - and Bellagio - when you two ignorant buffoons start with the communist stupidity it shows how totally ignorant and desperate you are. President Obama frankly is more American than either of you.

And, to those of you quoting pollls, remember Romney has been campaigning long and hard. President Obama has barely started. Romney's figures are the best they are going to be. When the Democrats and Independents start campaigning for Obama it will be a totally different story. Mitt's should enjoy his brief uptick in the polls. Won't last!

Obama/Biden 2012

plain bob 2012...

DrowningGrover
You vote for Obama, you are voting for a communist party endorsed candidate.

posts like this are just more proof that the rightwing has gone full retard.

Seriously, where do you people come up with this crap? If you're going to criticize the President, I could provide you with about 1,000 legitimate concerns to attack him with..

Thank you for making my point. I'll start:

1. Bribing debt-ridden college students with their own tax dollars. Go fish

DrowningGrover your comment actually made me laugh loudly at my desk

Get back to work Akeem.

1. Bribing debt-ridden college students with their own tax dollars. Go fish

If you want to attack the President for arguing that the interest rate on student loans should not double, especially in light of ever-increasing tuition rates, you're going to have a hard time finding many backers (and/or winning elections).

DrowningGrover your comment actually made me laugh loudly at my desk

you sound like someone that prefers Pirate style. Pirates are funnier than Vikings... :)

SeekingAClue, This is funny...

And, to those of you quoting pollls, remember Romney has been campaigning long and hard. President Obama has barely started.

He has been campaigning since the day he was inaugurated...he never stopped. You are so disconected from reality...even when i give you articals that back my point from your own media outlets you tell me I have delivered no facts...Sheeple...Sheeple...

2. His suit against AZ for doing his job.

Its lunch time John, and regardless I have read the SOP's at my company. I am allowed to browse and participate in social media and blogs so long as I do not express my views as the views of the company and to the point it does not interfere with productivity. So as far as I am concerned you could keep your comment to yourself.

3. His scolding the SCOTUS...

2. His suit against AZ for doing his job.

i'll give you that one (even though I personally do not like SB1070 unless they target every citizen of the state for paper identification), and there are many more. Grats on voicing a legitimate concern and not just spewing "communist," "marxist", etc...

3. His scolding the SCOTUS...

hardly a valid criticism. He didn't "scold the Supreme Court", and NOBODY is more guilty of scolding sitting judges than the rightwing (can you say "judicial activism"?) At least he didn't threaten to arrest them like Newt Gingrich...

Lets see, since the right are un-American and the left are un-American I guess the true Americans are us Independents. Obama had two years to pass what ever he wanted, that means Immigration Reform, stop the Bush tax cuts for the rich, the budget, the wars,dream act,SS, medicare so who exactly is the blame for failure to act?

DrowingGrover, They do target every person if you have made a traffic infraction or have had a legal interaction with a police officer.

Step right up, free lollipops for everyone. Vote for Barry!!

I've heard it said that a decade of darkness cannot stand to 15 seconds of light. The light is shinning, like a beam, on this treasonous party--the do nothings. They wanted a Waterloo and looks like they are going to get one for themselves. They have blocked the president on every occasion, but the citizenry is standing up and demanding ideas rather platitudes. The pressures are so great, that etch-e-sketch has to put pressure on his tea-drunken party to not let the president get too far ahead and let him have a victory now and again. This shows them to be bigger hypocrites that everyone can see. A losing proposition, at any cost. Welcome to Waterloo!!

DrowingGrover, They do target every person if you have made a traffic infraction or have had a legal interaction with a police officer.

If they do so (I presume you're referring to SB1070) then I'm somewhat Okay with it. However, I seriously seriously doubt they actually do ask everyone they stop for proof of citizenship.

Obama had two years to pass what ever he wanted

I wish people would stop saying this as it's patently untrue. It's a simpleton's way of describing the breakdown in the senate, even though the D's never had more than 59 senators (if you count Bernie Sanders vote, Lieberman was NOT voting with the D's, no way, no how) and you need 60 to break a filibuster (which the R's used at every single occasion). Hell, even when they had 59 votes, it was only for a very brief time (a couple of months) due to the Coleman/Franken recount and Ted Kennedy dying.

At no point during Obama's Presidency did the D's have enough votes to break a filibuster, period, end of discussion. That doesn't necessarily excuse Obama for relatively weak leadership, but no, the D's did not have a filibuster proof majority, ever!

Charles, Why would the republicans go along with policies that are against the very fabric of what they believe? This administration is ripe with ideological and left wing radicals...I'm glad that my representation stood their ground and protected this country from poor leadership!

We'll just call you Sensitive Akeem.

Proof of citizenship includes a drivers licence or state issued ID card.

Proof of citizenship includes a drivers licence or state issued ID card.

Technically it does not as one can obtain a drivers license in some states without being a citizen.

Proof of citizenship includes a drivers licence or state issued ID card.

WRONG!!!!!!!!! That rule only applies to a passport.

Drowning -

You have proof of that or are you just saying it to prop up your argument?

RedDev -

Same question to you. Link it or you are lying.

Mark - not seeking a clue - seeking sanity in the GOP and people like you keep confirming there is one to be found. Mitt has no qualifications. The only things he has done are dismantle companies - sending jobs overseas; and made himself rich. Nowhere does that help the country. He is a buffoon - which is clearly why you associate so well with him!

Obama/Biden 2012

Drowning -

You have proof of that or are you just saying it to prop up your argument?

It's actually pretty much common knowledge. This was, in fact, part of the reason behind the Real ID push a couple of years back and what differentiates regular ID's from "Enhanced ID's".

Each different state has their own requirements, and many of them are merely residency requirements (i.e., you must prove you live in the state only, not citizenship). In addition, in the wake of SB1070 and the RealID act many states have begun to change their licensing requirements (Maryland for example). The gray area with Driver's license and citizenship requirements is also why travel advisory boards cautioned traveler's to Arizona to bring a passport or birth certificate with them in case their state issued Driver's license did not meet SB1070's citizenship requirements.

I don't care to take the time to sort out which states require citizenship or not, but suffice it to say, I'm not BS'ing you here. A driver's license does not necessarily prove you are a US citizen depending upon the state that issued it.

Mark

If that is true, why are they now trying to coopt the president's agenda?? I will cut the department of education. Student loan rates must be raised; nobody gets an education for free. To this: I believe that student loans rates must remain low to give everyone chance at a good education. And, within hours, the do-nothings agreed with him--sorta lika. That poison-pill medical slush fund silliness was dead as it was spoken and will arrive nowhere!!!

Citizens aren't required to carry any documentation they weren't required to carry yesterday. In Arizona, if you have a driver's license, a state ID, an identity card, that's presumption that you're in the state legally.

Teach - how many times are you going to post that idiotic link???? You don't need to say more - just go away!

It does however appear that the Folks down at Liberty University don’t quite practice that kind of religious tolerance. You know that fine so called “Christian” Institution that old Jerry Falwell established down there in Lynchburg Va. that the late Rev. Falwell and his family and sycophants have been using for years to line their pockets and “educate” young men and women in the “proper’ values and mores of society.

Thanks for a fine comment, IR.

The fact is that the very people who are making a big deal about the candidates' religions are the least tolerant people, and you've illustrated that clearly.

If they call Mormonism a cult, and if they don't want a Mormon in the White House, then their choice is simple: vote for Obama.

He's a Christian. That should meet with their approval.

In this case, ironically, religious intolerance works best for everyone involved. :)

Grover Lieberman voted Dem 90% of the time Sanders 91%, don't tell me they didn't have control. liberals love excuses from the President on down

@kaybeetoys

I'm not so sure that calling Romney a Christian is as cut and dried and you say. It depends on what you think a Christian is. That really opens a very deep subject. Is someone a Christian just because they say they are? Is it a prerequisite to really know what the Bible says first? If someone is apostate, are they still Christian? If they espouse beliefs that conflict with the Bible, does that invalidate their Christian claim? In the case of Romney- or more specifically, the Mormons- the crux of the problem lies with the Book of Mormons. One of the last verses of the Bible is a dire warning to anyone who "takes away or adds to" the Bible. Many who study this issue say that the Book of Mormon does just that and that many of its teachings directly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ, such as monogamy/polygamy. Now, who is right? It;s not for me to say, but clearly one is right and one is wrong. Kind of like the debate between Christianity and Islam. If one is correct, the other is certainly wrong. Both cannot be right. Of course, it's possible that both are wrong. But at any rate, the issue of whether or not Romney is really a Christian lies more in what a Christian really is than in what Romney is. Understand that while I have my own deeply help beliefs based on years of study, I am not attempting to be the judge here. I am simply saying that this is a more complex issue than a casual "twice a year Christian" may think.

Most Jews and Catholics are so in name mainly( by birth) and don't generally observe all that their leaders attempt to dictate. Does that mean they are not really Jews or Catholics? I don't know. It's not for me to say, but it is a complex question that will be answered in time not by us.

In truth, I doubt that anyone who lies every time they open their mouth can be called a "good and devout Christian". For that matter, I don't think that anyone who is really a devout Christian could be very successful as a politician. It's worth noting that Jesus declined that career opportunity.

Your religious intolerance/bigotry is showing

Pretty well points out how radical and unhinged the GOPTP has become when Conservatives CONSISTENTLY declare pointing out bigotry in others as somehow BEING bigotry.

In truth, I doubt that anyone who lies every time they open their mouth can be called a "good and devout Christian". For that matter, I don't think that anyone who is really a devout Christian could be very successful as a politician. It's worth noting that Jesus declined that career opportunity.

Good point, Thomas Blue. Personally, I was raised Christian but am now agnostic.

I really don't care what 'religion' the candidates claim to follow. A man like Romney, who has devoted his life to making money at the expense of others, would not fit the criteria of a good Christian in my opinion, no matter what faith he claimed. As Jesus said, "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

All one has to do to know Romney is to look at the master he has chosen to rule his life: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Jody,

Great minds think alike! ☺

I am beyond stunned at this revelation...

Jody, so glad you and Feisty posted this. I saw that last night, and thought exactly the same. Of course, they've denied it, what it shows to me is there are a number of shadowy characters some of whom fly below the radar, that have more power than any elected official..and that's where the spotlight needs to focus. The American people are being taken advantage of by arrogant, duplicitous bast****.

What was unique in this instance was the fact that the country, indeed the world, was in economic chaos. The republicans in that meeting agreed to show a relentless, united front to vote against, block and obstruct everything President Obama tried to do.

What was unique in this instance was the fact that the country, indeed the world, was in economic chaos. The republicans in that meeting agreed to show a relentless, united front to vote against, block and obstruct everything President Obama tried to do.

What was unique in this instance was the fact that the country, indeed the world, was in economic chaos. The republicans in that meeting agreed to show a relentless, united front to vote against, block and obstruct everything President Obama tried to do.

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How I despise the GOP and their supporters. Nothing but war mongers and liars who care NOTHING about the future of the United States.

I hope leaders and just plain people from all over the world hear about this.

They should all go to jail. We the taxpayers are providing a paycheck to them?

Their supporters are just as guilty.

Spot on Jody.

This good ole white boy club was, and still is hell bent on getting rid of our President, who was elected by the people of the United States. Their actions continue to harm our nation, and it’s time that these people are exposed for the low-life they are.

We as a Nation need to vote out as many Republicans in office as possible, and take our Country back from these right wing extremist.

You can call liberals and democrats tree huggers, tax and spenders, big government advocates, anti-business

I personally don't, however, if you look at the policies this White House has implemented then I would say you sentence describes them perfectly.

Tree Hugging - XL Pipeline; Cap and Trade stopped by "Republican Obstructionism"

Tax and Spenders - Well, He did keep the Bush tax rates and cut the payroll tax by 2%, but the cost of Obamacare, $1.76T, apparently is paid for and they are only admitting that 500B comes from Medicare so thats $1.2T in new taxes to pay for a new entitlement. But unlike previous Democrats he did not tax and spend, he took a page from GWB's playbook and simply borrowed and spent.

Big Government - Do I really need to quote an example? Every solution he has involves more Government (see Obamacare)

Anti-Business - Obamacare, Cap and Trade, Crony Capitalism, Government involved in every market causing distortions

So at the end of the day Jody you did describe yourself fairly accurately.

Sounds like Watergate all over again...

@Alan

Big Government - Do I really need to quote an example? Every solution he has involves more Government (see Obamacare)

To be fair, both parties are big government.

It's just what they want the government to do.

This is not good news for any incumbent this far out from an election. Obama should start packing his bags now or send Axlerod out to set up an October surprise.

Teach....................Corporations send jobs overseas.....cheap labor..............not any President.

It angered me last night to hear confirmation of our suspicions. I, too, despise what the GOP did and what it has become. Definitely, it is time to vote out these unpatriotic, taxpayer-sucking nitwits and elect people who believe in this country, who believe in government and who believe that working together is in our best interests as a Nation and as a people. It is time to rid this country of such insidious thinking as the GOP has displayed these past 3 1/2 years.

Teach....................Corporations send jobs overseas.....cheap labor..............not any President.

And due to the rising cost of overseas labor and the costs of fuel, jobs are actually coming back.

But let's completely ignore that.

Jody: Yes, we were on the same page. Very well said.

To be fair, both parties are big government.

True. For once I would love see both parties produce budgets that actually end some spending programs.

Jody - the Democrats meet more than the Republicans do to discuss campaign strategy. One is not anymore justified in doing the other, unless you are a shill for one of the two major parties.

On the other hand, if the Democrats want a Republican president to fail in cutting the social safety net, slowing regulations, shrinking the government to get the deficit under control, and all of those 1% things, that is legitimate.

As far as voting out people who don't believe working together is our best interest, you are too late. Harry Reid was just re-elected in 2010.

You moonbats are scary. You expected from Day One, all Americans to bow like Brian Williams to your Messiah Obama.

Political disagreement with the President is akin to treason ? You all belong in North Korea..

Roger-396420

As far as voting out people who don't believe working together is our best interest, you are too late. Harry Reid was just re-elected in 2010.

And the Republican alternative for Reid's Senate seat was Sharron Angle, who said people should use their "Second Amendment remedy" if she didn't win. Maybe Reid isn't the greatest, but the alternative would have been the worst.

Cap and trade was a republican idea; McCain and Palin endorsed the idea; the individual mandate was a republican idea; Mitt Romney put it in place in Massachusetts, Gingrich supported it, the Heritage Foundation thought it up and stated it was in line with conservative thinking. The DREAM Act was a republican idea. In my book that makes the GOP the biggest flip floppers of all and those who get on FR and point the finger at liberals and blame them for those republicans ideas are as disingenuous and phoney as is the GOP flip floppers--here's looking at you, Alan.

Thanks Jody!

....and on day 1 of President Obamas administration, the GOP planned the assault!

Whatever happened to their 'country first mantra'?

This comes as no surprise to me, Jody. And it goes beyond normal politics of the ins v. the outs. The nation was facing the worst economic situation since the Depression (caused, I might add, by the Republicans) and they cared more about elections than pulling together to fix the economy.

Imagine the outrage if a similar story had been told about Democrats getting together in the days after 9/11 in order to thwart the Bush re-election. No---Democrats were patriotic and did what was best for the country.

DB Akron, please note I said both parties meet to discuss strategy. There is a huge difference in meeting to plan strategy and meeting to purposely cause harm to the country because no matter how you slice and dice it, that is exactly what the GOP did--to heck with the country, let the people suffer, keep unemployment high and make it worse in the name of winning. Sorry, DB, that's just un-American.

There was a time in this country not that many years ago when in times of crisis, after an election both parties worked together and put politics aside for another day. Country First was McCain's motto but after the election, it was Party First despite economic chaos. What a selfish bunch of idiots and fools the GOP has become.

Cap and trade was a republican idea;

Jody, Jody, Jody...

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/cap-and-trade-cost-inflation/

As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama said he would tackle climate change by implementing a cap-and-trade system to limit the release of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. According to the budget President Obama proposed in February, the administration would aim to "reduce greenhouse gas emissions approximately 14 percent below 2005 levels by 2020, and approximately 83 percent below 2005 levels by 2050."

In my book that makes the GOP the biggest flip floppers of all and those who get on FR and point the finger at liberals and blame them for those republicans ideas are as disingenuous and phoney as is the GOP flip floppers--here's looking at you, Alan.

And how do you ignore the fact that candidate Obama opposed the mandate and then signed it into law?

It is one of the political oddities of the health care debate that the battle over the individual mandate — the aspect of the health care law most hated by tea partiers — was strenuously opposed by candidate Obama and long supported by conservatives ranging from Newt Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation to Mitt Romney.

The fact that not one Republican voted for this law means that the mandate could have been excluded with no loss of votes. The truth that you do not want admit is that the mandate was included to gain the Democratic votes needed for passage of the bill. The same Democratic votes that would not vote for a Public Option. The fact that the President specifically campaigned against the mandate, and then signed into law makes him a bigger flip-flopper than any current candidate who has never had the opportunity to campaign on one side of an issue and implement the opposite when in power.

Bob in Virginia-5210392

You moonbats are scary. You expected from Day One, all Americans to bow like Brian Williams to your Messiah Obama.

Good point, Bob!!How's the probing going in Va?

In 2010, at the height of the Recession, Maine elected a Tea Party governor and Republican majority legislature (filibuster-proof), who promised to focus on job creation.

The Republicans in Maine proceeded to do the following:

Banned same day voter registration, even though an investigation showed no fraud in Maine elections going back ten years. (This ban was later reversed by 60% of voters in a state referendum.)

Tried to repeal a ban on cancer-causing chemical BPA from children's sippy cups (a chemical industry priority, apparently relayed by lobbyists).

Changed law so insurance companies could charge higher premiums to rural and older residents.

Attacked public unions (taking down a labor mural depicting striking workers was just the symbol for their legislative attacks.)

Tried to funnel taxpayer dollars to private schools.

Kicked thousands of low income Mainers off Maine Care. Joined lawsuit against Obamacares.

Legalized the sale of fireworks (against testimony from Maine Fire Warden and Opthamologist and Medical groups.)

And Maine's unemployment rate? Highest of the New England states. So much for focused like a laser on JOB creation.

Jody, Iowa

Well look at that the Narwhal room hired someone who can write English. The GOP has a heart, it beats with the freedom provided for us by our forefathers and will stand for the Constitution and the intent of our freedoms they gave us. Our soul is a lot safer then that of athiests who love Obama and deny our Religion. The GOP did not invite the Muslim Brotherhood to the Whitehouse. The GOP did not cancel our National Day of Prayer after holding a Muslim day of Prayer on the White house lawn. The GOP believes in personal responsibility and the reward for success not punishment and theft of all one has accomplished to buy votes. The Democrats started coming up with plans for hand outs to get votes decades ago and has devolved to flat out bribery and as in Indiana, underhanded illegal activities when they want. So, save your high sounding nonsense. If a heart and soul supported Obama it would not be one from above but one from the depths of depravity, greed and envy.

Wow Amy B of Portland Maine, you still fail to ever mention the decades of Democrat control of the legislature in Augusta as playing any role in the condition of the State of Maine. Maine is flat broke, welfare heavy, all jobs were driven from the state by Democrat leadership, and it has a stagnant aging population.

You are totally delusional in your diatribe, the STATE OF MAINE IS FLAT BROKE you liberal entitlement baby. Maybe if you had paid attention to the direction of the state when the Democrats were in charge for decades, it wouldn't require as much pain to try and fix it. Or are you just like the rest of the liberals on this site that think money isn't a consideration when you feel entitled?

held a secret, four-hour meeting

If it was secret...............how do you know it happened?

Shaking my Head, what fantasy world are you living in. Most politicians love money, power, and their influence. Their master is not the constitution but K street lobbyists. Even if they go to capital hill with the greatest intentions, they are soon corrupted and exposed to the real world of politics. Next time you are in Washington, D.C., go to the resturants "La Colline," "Capital Grille," and "Signatures" (Jack Abramoff's resturant which may be closed) and see who your congressman is having lunch with. There are a few that maintain their moral absolutes, I estimate about 1/4.

As for all liberals being atheists, guess you never noticed that most catholic nuns support liberal causes. Most African Americans are liberals and are Southern Baptist like Martin Luther King and very religious and strong advocates against gay marriage. Most Hispanics are liberal and devow Catholics. Thus, your post is in no way credible. Spare us.

held a secret, four-hour meeting

If it was secret...............how do you know it happened?

I guess that is a secret also.............Priceless.

Our soul is a lot safer then that of athiests who love Obama and deny our Religion.

Finally, a religious extremist admitting they are bigoted against those who do not believe in religion and those moderate believers. Atheists deny the religious nothing, it is the religious cultists that will deny non-believers freedoms. Need proof, look no further than genocidal acts committed by Christians during the Crusades which are on the same par as the acts of Jihad committed by Muslims. We don't see those atrocities committed by atheists, or for that matter, by religious moderates.

Rick-3416939

You know nothing about my state.

Maine's legislature was almost equally Dem/Rep for decades, and known for it's civility and bipartisanship. We certainly never had a filibuster-proof Democratic majority, and people worked together, for instance, to pass the ban on cancer-causing BPA in children's plastic items.

Since 1974 we have had two Independent governors, Longley and King, two Democrats, Brennan and Baldacci, and one Republican, McKernan. The wealthiest parts of the state vote Democratic. The poorer, rural parts vote Republican. The irony is, since the state government passed into Republican hands, the folks who have been hurt the most have been the rural seniors. Portland, however, a Democratic stronghold, is doing pretty well.

I'm always amused at the far right claiming they are the only religious in the country. No guys, you are the only religious NUTS in the country. Most of my Democratic friends believe in a higher power and actually are more Christian in their actions than Republicans are. They give contributions and volunteer their time to help those who are less fortunate - rather than calling them freeloaders, etc. We realize that there are not enough jobs to go around right now and families are hurting. We realize that more than 50% of the men and women on the street are our veterans who we as a country have not supported when they return. We realize that any one of us, if a tragedy happens, could be in the same situation.

We realize that no one chooses to be on the streets; have their homes foreclosed on; have their families go hungry. We realize that we are all Americans and are at our best when we come together - not when we tear the country apart. We know we are stronger as one - not divided.

Obama/Biden 2012

So Jody what you are saying is you support the Republicans because they came up with the Ideas 3.19

wlee- clearly you know she doesn't support the GOP because they are hypocrites! Easy to understand unless you have a Republican brain - which would actually be no brain!

Hey shaking and others that cry religious freedom. This is the biggest lie told. If you all would shut up, no one would know you have a religion and no one cares. Your religion is no benefit to us that get tired of the bemoaning of the same B/S. Keep your religion to yourself, as I do, and you won't have a problem. Also, the message was love; not hate!!

Bob, "Political disagreement with the President is akin to treason ?"

The Party of No has gone beyond political disagreement. They are hell-bent on getting Obama out of office at all costs. "F the country", their actions say. So, yea, borderline, if not actual treason.

Pamela, after reading your post about all the religious left, why is it called the religious right wing nuts, I would suspect that regardless of whether your 're on the right or left if you have accepted Jesus you're both going to heaven or is that not the case?

wlee,

Sorry to tell you but there is no heaven. I've accepted that Jesus probably lived and died and talked about how to be kind and ethical in one's actions but he was not a deity. Heaven is something that makes human being feel better about being mortal and having to die one day. It's frightening to most people that we only get one life and if you screw it up you just end up being a screw up but that's the way it is. This is a huge universe and we have no idea what is out there but I doubt that when we die our "souls" end up in some other deminsion or something. I think, like other animals (because we are animals, decended from primates) we will donate the energy our bodies posess to the earth to be recycled because energy is never destroyed.

So in short, if you accept Jesus as some sort of deity, ok, but if not then I'm sure that's ok too.

Our soul is a lot safer then that of athiests who love Obama and deny our Religion. The GOP did not invite the Muslim Brotherhood to the Whitehouse. The GOP did not cancel our National Day of Prayer after holding a Muslim day of Prayer on the White house lawn.

Are we talking politics or religion on this article, O holy one?

Quit shaking your head...it's making you dizzy.

I would suspect that regardless of whether your 're on the right or left if you have accepted Jesus you're both going to heaven or is that not the case?

Only upon your death will you have a definitive answer to that question, believe what you may.

Shaking - you're a total imbecile. No other words describe you. The national Prayer Day was NEVER cancelled. It is held every year and President Obama, just as past Presidents has done, participates. He has had people of all faiths to the White House - again as all Presidents have done. He has NEVER held a Muslim Day of Prayer at the White House. Your ignorance and hatred has totally dissolved what was supposed to be your brain. Get your head out of the sand and stop with the total stupidity!

You guys are missing the point. Whether or not you believe is up to each individual and who am I to say I'm right and you are wrong. The point being that if you do believe there are people on both sides left and right who accepted Jesus and I presume are going to heaven so why is it always referred as the Right wing religious nuts, believe it or not there are quite a few left leaning people who believe in God

wlee - you're right. But the left doesn't claim for a minute that they are the only Christians and call the right atheists. That's why the right wing nut cases are referred to that way. I totally think you're right. I don't believe for one minute that one party is more religious than another.

@Pat Boston

How I despise the GOP and their supporters. Nothing but war mongers and liars who care NOTHING about the future of the United States.

I hope leaders and just plain people from all over the world hear about this.

They should all go to jail. We the taxpayers are providing a paycheck to them?

Their supporters are just as guilty

You just put your finger on why I lose patience with people like Bob Fairfax. While pimps and prostitutes are equally low-lives, without a john, they'd be looking for other work. Same is true with the people who keep criminals like RMN in offic e when you MUST KNOW HE'S A CRIMINAL...I was absolutely stunned when he was re-elected. An absolute rats nest of liars, thieves, felons, and criminals, some with law degrees and all were crooks but were re-elected. How shameless.

And your position if the name "Obama" was substituted with "Bush?" Any hypocrisy or an even handed approach from you?

ROMNEY 2012

Same...criticizing the President is criticizing the President and I would expect and have no issue with Sgt. Stein being discharged if he was criticizing President Bush.

Obviously, Ben has never served in the military. It would be the same if he refused to follow orders of his company commandere or any officer appointed over him.

This

http://cape.army.mil/repository/materials/WhenSoldiersSpeakOut.pdf

Explains the limits of speech for those serving in the military more clearly than anything I, or anyone else, possibly could.

The rules need to apply to everyone- no matter who is in the Oval Office.

Please, enlighten me...who benefited from Sgt. Stein's "sacrifice"?

He certainly didn't. He's thrown his career away.

I don't believe the Marine Corps did, either. I know nothing of Sgt. Stein's career but he may very well have been a damn fine Marine with an otherwise exemplary record.

I don't believe this country is better. Wouldn't this nation have been better if Sgt. Stein continued honorable service to this nation?

So, tell me, what good is the "sacrifice" if there is no benefit?

So true...So true

So there you go TeaPeople, aka President Obama haters!

Stein exercised his freedom at his own peril!....kinda sucks when you use that freedom thingy so recklessly!

If Stein had criticized President Bush, bet the right wing posters would be singing a different tune.

Hey Teach A Lesson you ask who are the dummies? It's the Gary Steins of the retarded repubican party! the guy was total IDIOT!!!

Frank, Ben's comment was aimed at the bias of Da Noid. Had nothing to do with right or wrong of the action.

To Stein:

The Racist Card: You're playing it wrong!

Noid -

You should change your name to - De Void, as in devoid of any knowledge on this subject. Art. 88 only applies to commisioned officers. As he is subject to many other articles, this is not one of them. You got one thing right though, it doesnt matter who is in office, he would need to be discharged for his words and actions.

no joe,

Absolutely right. Anyone that is in the military must suspend some of their freedoms to keep the US military in line.

T.A.L.,

I dont need to get started on how completely moronic you are. A career marine sacrificing his job over what he said? The guy is an idiot and will pay the price for his complete disregard for the oath of enlistment.

Chilled,

Stein exercised his freedom at his own peril!....kinda sucks when you use that freedom thingy so recklessly

Members of the US Armed Forces suspend some of their freedoms to serve in the military. Please educate yourself before you post.

Jody,

If Stein had criticized President Bush, bet the right wing posters would be singing a different tune.

You couldn't be a more biased liberal progressive, could you? You really think that just because a Republican was in office, the GOP supporters would be singing his praises? I call bullsh**. Cool it with your bias, would ya?

To everyone else,

The man deserves to be unhonorably discharged with the utmost prejudice. Sgt Stein is not what exemplifies the Marines or the US Armed Forces. His words and blatant disregard for the Chain of Command and his blatant and public show of disrespect for the office of President could be construed as treason. As a member of the US Air Force and an avid non-supporter of Obama, Sgt Stein had many other avenues to convey his displeasure with Obama.

I don't care if he said it about any president... he is getting his just rewards. If I critisized my boss and said I would never do what they told me because I hated them, I would deserve to be fired and so would you if you did it. The fact that he's a Marine (or was) makes it that much worse... what happened to honor?

Da Noid, check your facts he said unlawful order, other then that he knew the consequences of his actions.

I think Ann Romney is going to be annoyed at those of us who don't agree with her that it is their turn. She has given her orders, and as part of the 1% of the country, she expects the rest of us to obey.

Wonder how well she handles the word "NO"!

Good point newday . . . the Romneys are used to being able to buy whatever they want . . . too bad the top job is not for sale . . . no matter how many times the "corporate people" attempt to purchase it.

Enough patriotic talk

Good Morning Nash!

Funny you mention this, did you hear his coronation speech Tuesday night where Willard said; only if he is elected will he be proud of America again?

So, someone who is not proud of this country wants to rule over it?

"I keep hearing him saying that he could have done better than President Obama at ending the recession."

Obama has the worst economic record since the 1930s...literally ANYONE could have done better.

Trillion dollar corrupt stimulus...cars for clunkers....Solynda billions wasted in green energy.... Obama has been a flat failure.

All you'll ever hear from Romney is I've got a plan, I can't tell you what it is but I've got a plan. The only plan Romney's has is waking up in a different world every morning.

Bob:

So you don't have any idea what Mitt is gonna do either, eh? lol

Feisty:

Mitt definitely has an "entitlement" problem . . . something tells me that he doesn't want to end that one though! :o)

My favorite part of that Feisty and Nash is when Mittens said that wealthy deserve congratulations.

For what? Taking bread out of the mouths of the working poor?

Nixon had a plan also - but wouldn't tell anyone until he was elected....and even then he didn't tell anyone....THERE WAS NO PLAN! Just like Romney...can't tell you what it is until I'm elected.......so much for full HONEST disclosure....

newday:

The best part is no matter how much I congratulate the rich, it still doesn't help me pay my bills . . . hopefully the Romneys can take some time out from their victory tour to help those of us who don't raid companies for a living understand what they are doing to help the country and not just themselves.

P.S. And save the snarky "guvment taking care of you" comments all you dim bulbs out there . . . I pay the "guvment" my money, so that they can subsidize oil companies, health insurance companies, and fake schools getting rich of folks taking student loans to get useless degrees. Save your empty talking points for your airhead friends.

For what? Taking bread out of the mouths of the working poor?

NDD,

No kidding!

Don't forget having students scrub toilets for their education!

Obama has been a flat failure.

You right wingers have been nothing more than flat out liars that wouldn't know a fact if it bit you.

..and I only post this to show how petty this is

I think Ann Romney is going to be annoyed at those of us who don't agree with her that it is their turn.

Is Michelle O. still proud of her country?

Can we start debating the big economic issues please instead of dogs and wives?

Can we start debating the big economic issues please instead of dogs and wives?

With specifics too. Not blanketed answers.

Alan:

We would live to hear Mr. Romney's thoughts on the "big economic issues", 'cept he seems to not have much to say about that . . . or anything else for that matter.

Perhaps Mitt's plan is to buy other countries and sell off their natural resources to the highest bidder . . . worked before, right?

We would live to hear Mr. Romney's thoughts on the "big economic issues", 'cept he seems to not have much to say about that . . . or anything else for that matter.

Like everything it's on the web

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/human-capital

Anybody have an opinions of a Personal Reemployment Account? This is the first time I've heard the term.

Alan:

Thanks for posting that . . . the phrase that caught my eye was in the link . . . "human capital" . . . wow . . . just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling all over. . . I think the machines have officially taken over.

Willard believes more in the guvments of the Caymans and Swiss, that's where is money is........

I've recently seen ads/commercials about the Cayman Islands on the teevee...what's up with that?

the phrase that caught my eye was in the link . . . "human capital"

Me too. the rest of the site (quick glance only) seemed the normal fluff. That did stand out.

Seriously, did Ann Romney say, "Its their turn"? What a great sense of entitlement. I am going to look that up. I have to see it with my own eyes LOL.

@Alan - thanks for the link. I know this is a cheap jab, but given all the dog stories lately, this Ann-meets-Mitt stood out as worthy of a laugh. He sure knows how to impress a girl.

They first met in elementary school when he was a Cub Scout; he remembers tossing pebbles at her when she rode by on a horse.

Jealous much on this website?? Wow...are you all on some kind of government entitlement program, or maybe a public sector union (leech), I mean worker? And that is why you love Prez B.O.? He is nothing but a liar too. (and oh, a communist. Look at his history please) All politicians are liars. They serve themselves, not the people, because it's beneath them to 'serve' the people. What do you people have against someone who makes better choices in their lives and are smart? I know everyone can't do it, be rich. So those who can't, think they have a 'right' to whine and complain because someone might have had a nanny for their kids? I think we need Romney in office to clean government house. It's broken. I am not voiting for a communist.

Against - again with the stupidity. President Obama and the communist word. You know that shows your ignorance, right? It says nothing about President Obama but says YOU have no intelligence and less integrity. Your stupidity is beyond belief and yet you choose to post it.

Yeah, like giving poor and minority children a better place to study. The do-nothings killed this idea. That was a part of the budget that our magnificent president sent to the do-nothings. There was money there to build crumbling schools. You thought we weren't watching, but we got ya. I think he tore his pants with congress too. "We are going to make sure that federal workers don't earn more than the people that hire them." At least the other federal workers work, and work for America. About two thirds of congress has been on vacation with pay. But Willard and I agree on one thing: congress should not be paid more than $7.50 an hour--that might be too much!!

To all you Obama supporters, just take him for his word, I'll give a couple examples... If I don't turn this economy around in three years I'll be a one term President, unemployment will not go above 8%, Immigration reform first year, cut the deficit, unite the country. Don't know much about Romney, but I know what I got from Obama.

wlee- and you would have gotten less from Romney who has no ideas, no plans, no programs - nothing but it's "his turn." Presidential candidates always hope for the best. However, when the other party announces they will do all they can to make you a one-term President, those accomplishments suffer. No one can do it all by themselves.

Obama/Biden 2012

SS, we don't know what we'll get from Romney, we do know we didn't get the promises of Obama, that's a fact!

wlee - no, we would get NOTHING from Romney. He panders to the rich and doesn't give a damn about the middle class. And, God help the poor because he can't stomach them. Luckily we won't have to find out what we would get if Romney was President! Whew!!!

We would have gotten much more during Obama's first term had the GOP been willing to work for the good of the country instead of plotting to make sure Obama is a one-term President. How disgusting that the GOP frankly doesn't give a damn about this country.

Obama/Biden 2012

MIchael...in this time and date, it has more validity than a Fox poll. At least NBC partners with the Wall Street Journal....you know that conservative, Murdoch owned newspaper.

Just keep drinking that koolaid there Gingerbread Mamma. I'm sure it tastes good after 3 1/2 years even if it is going to kill you.

NBC polls are using registered voters and all Americans. That is called Potential. Likely voters is who is going to actually vote.

Romney appears to be finding a simple message that will stick. Add to that, his VP pick of a clear conservative should put him in the lead in the key states.

A number of states are slowly moving to Romney, Including Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The only thing holding Virginia in Obama's hands is polling averages right now.

Kool Aid is right! This poll, although suspect, is likely to be the last time BO is even close! BO's house of cards is falling...almost every day brings a new revelation of graft, incompetence, mismanagement, and lies. The lastest of course, is Armendariz of the EPA enforcement division, giving a faux apology for using the "wrong" words to describe their intention to "crucify" oil company offenders. Yet the leftylibdem hypocrites will take credit for record gasoline production! Of course, we know it takes several years to bring gasoline on-line into the market and was the result of Bush's vision and leadership.

Take heart, real and true Americans. The radical leftylibdems who live and think unto themselves will shortly be a fading memory, a shrinking violet in our collective rear view mirrors.

Steve - as President Obama's campaign actually starts - (Mitt's has been in high gear for months) Romney will sink in the polls. He's at the top of his polling and will only go down from here. I can't wait to see President Obama take him apart during the debates? Romney will stumble and try to figure out what to say. Pathetic excuse for a human being and this is the best the GOP has to offer! You actually said Bush, vision and leadership together? You really are delusional!

Obama/Biden 2012

SS, how are those corpsmen doing?

wlee - that all ya got? Pretty pathetic to say the least!

SS, uh all 57 states!

wlee - again, that all ya got?

SS,Uh Supreme Court ruling unprecedented, how am I doing?

wlee - ho hum. Not so good! Ruling hasn't been made

I am still mystified as to why no repugs with an IQ over 80 wanted to run this year, other than their pathological liar/thief.

SS, it's been fun , but it's the end of my day. Have a good night see you in the future.

wlee- end of my day too. Good night. Our paths will probably cross!

You do understand that a loan is money that is paid back, not free "guvment" money, right?

I'm sure he doesn't Nashville_Fan. Should you be surprised? These extremist have been naive and blind for a long time, they figure if they tell themselves a lie long enough it will become the truth. So uninformed.

And just how are they suppose to pay back the loans Nashville_Fan and Donnie Dumb when you don't have a job to pay it off?

You guys think about as much as my dog does about taking a dump.

Do YOU understand that a loan given at less than the prevailing rate, if given by a private entity, is a taxable benefit? So, if your rich Aunt Tilly gives you a mortgage for 1%-or zero over cent- you must pay income tax on the benefit of not paying 4% interest on the loan?

You DO, also, realize that unsecured loans, which is what a Stafford loan is, given to one whose income would not qualify for the best rate, would incur an interest rate near 7%? That the differential in interest rates must be paid by the taxpayer? That the reason for the higher rate is the default rate on those loans? That the taxpayer picks up the tab for the defaults?

That Obama never bothered to vote for this rate break? It came up twice while he was in the Senate.

He was too busy campaigning to vote for it. NOW he brings it up? When there was never a question about extending the more favorable rate- only about how to pay for it?

Oh, never mind- I'm making a rational argument with a cult member. Well, Hope for Change, Nash. We Can't Wait- and we are NOT going to give Obama four more years to Finish The Job.

UAW, You really dont know what Romney did as governer!!!

Nash/Donnie, You two rocket scientists realize the tax payer was promised 6.8% interest on these loans not the 3.4% your boy wants to give them in exchange for votes don't you? I'm encouraged that alot of first time '08 voters took a far more educated approach to voting in 2010. I would expect that trend to continue in 2012.

Tracy1973 I believe you have a mind blockage! There are jobs out some people have a sense of entitlement and don't want to work!

no joe and UAW:

Perhaps you folks should take your concerns to Mitt Romney, who agrees with the President on this.

I personally think that you all should continue your campaign to pretend that folks getting loans to go to school are shiftless freeloaders. Like Rick Santorum said, trying to go to college is for snobs anyway, right?

Let the Race to the Bottom continue.

Mitt Romney has a better relationship with businesses who can give these kids jobs. We really need a leader who promotes American work ethic. Not government entitlements. Obama is leading us on a path to government sponsored poverty....

UAW:

So you believe that Mitt Romney will get his business friends to hire kids? That's the big plan?

America is not one big country club waiting for Mitt Romney to give us the right introductions . . . you are cracking me up! ;o)

Nash, Businesses don't need to be personal Friends of the president to hire people. But they do need to have confidence in the leadership of the president. Obama does not have the confidence of the business leaders of this country.

Mitt Romney knows the language of business. Let's get a better leader in the White House.

I don't think you understand, Nashville. This administration has pumped trillions of dollars into the ecomomy, and has kept interest rates low. Unfortunately, the trillions were spent on things that did not sustain job growth, and the only ones that could qualify for the loans at the low rates were big businesses. Those big businesses, including General Motors who was bailed out by us, are using the money to expand overseas where there is a better business climate. So, if you like Obama's policies, look for a job with an American company in China or India.

In the mean time, printing all that money has sunk the value of the dollar. Things that we buy in the international market such as food and energy will go up in dollars even more than, say, yuan. This makes the price that Americans pay go up more without income rising. On the other hand, when the dollar sinks, every GPB, Euro, Yuan, Yen, or Canadian Dollar that an international company earns is worth more US dollars, making their earnings look better. This makes their stock rise, and makes their stock options more valuable. If you are happy with Obama's policies favoring the 1% like this, then we should reelect him so this continues.

Roger:

Thank you so much for that detailed explanation. Sadly, not one thing you wrote gives anyone any reason to vote for Mitt Romney. Criticizing the President is easy, coming up with a plan to do things better, well apparently nobody has come up with that yet.

I just love the way some allegedly "conservative" folks try to be "middle America" out of one side of their mouths and "big shot business people" out of the other.

Too precious . . . but that "bamboozle them with bulls@#$" strategy ain't working on me . . . but I'm sure someone out there was very impressed though, so well done.

Sorry No Joe--if your aunt gives you a low interest rate loan, she has made a gift to you. You don't have income to pay tax on, you have received a gift, which is not subject to the income tax.

Seems to me that making it easier to repay the loans by charging a lower interest rate makes it more likely that both the principal and some interest will be repaid. Sounds like a win to me.

Steeler Fan, I am going to ask the bank to lower my car loan rate. I am sure they will be enchanted that, at least, they will get get some partial payment on the loan. Why didn't I think of that before?

Well, Nashville, I am sorry that you feel that way. What I know is that I have been fortunate to stay employed during the last 3 years, but the company I work for hasn't been doing well (we sell into the transportation industry), so I have not seen wage increases. I have seen huge increases in gasoline, utility rates, college tuition, food costs, and local taxes. When I bought my home, I had a down payment of over 30% of the sales price, which was below the assessed value. Now, I cannot refinance without paying down more of the loan, because the balance on this original loan is more than 80% of the new assessed value. Where is the money going to come from?

My company is not hiring, nor are they looking at investing money in the company because new regulations that will make it more expensive to do business. On the other hand, they may find it necessary to reduce costs by paying the health care fine, and putting all of us on the Government health care system. I have medical problems, and I am not 20, so I am not sure if I would be eligible for treatment unless I carried additional insurance, or paid it out of pocket. Where is the money going to come from to pay for that?

I don't expect any sympathy, because I know somehow we will make it. But I want you to know that what some of you snot nosed kids with no life experience call bull@#$" is what we in the middle class are living.

The rate cut is a good idea and both candidates agree. So why are you arguing about it? College is higher education and while I agree everyone should have the opportunity to attend college, some folks aren't cut out for college. If every American earned a college degree where would we all work? Who would want to drive a garbage truck or dig ditches if they had a college degree? Why some kids don't even finish high school. While we are wishing good things for everyone, why don't we wish everyone was rich? Why has the cost of a college education risen 700% since 1980 when inflation has gone up 160%? Why are we bashing big oil for raising gas prices? We should be bashing colleges for ripping us off!

Colleges charge what the market will bear. When my son lost his scholarship at a private college, according the government, we qualified for student loans to make up for them. Of course he would have graduated with a BA in Theater and $70,000 in debt. He's now at a public school.

Until the government does something about how they administer the money that they make available for college, the colleges will charge whatever they want, and they will get paid. Whether their graduates can pay the loans is not their problem.

Colleges are not worried about the national debt, if one looks at the construction going on at the Univ. of Tenn in Knoxville. Hundreds of millions of dollars are involved in the projects going on right now.

Roger:

We are all out here living a middle class life trying to survive. I do have sympathy for you . . . what I can't understand is why you trust the same entities in the private sector that crashed the entire economy and robbed us all blind to fix it.

P.S. Thanks for calling me a snot nosed kid . . . us 41 year old broads take that as a compliment! :o)

P.S. Thanks for calling me a snot nosed kid . . . us 41 year old broads take that as a compliment! :o)

bet you love getting carded at a bar.

AND, you can bet that us 51 year old's, LOVE those 41 year old snot nosed kids! (saying kids...... seems a little creepy!... Kinda like that new Apple product, for children... the iTouch Kids™.)

Roger - don't know who you've been talking to but you could easily refinance the mortgage on your home. You can refinance up to 105% of the value which should make your payments easier each month.

As for the rest of your post - nonsense. All of us in the workplace have seen changes but companies are still hiring and beginning to expand again. And, the new healthcare bill will make your pre-existing condition covered under any insurance policy.

Good luck with the medical situation. It is something that can hit anyone at any time and it's tough to deal with.

Nashville, I don't buy the claim that all Republicans, or all Democrats for that matter, are the same. Obama isn't a Bill Clinton (too bad), and Clinton wasn't a Jimmy Carter (whew!). George W. Bush was no Reagan, and wasn't even the same as his father. At least when his father took us to war, we met our objective and stopped ... even though many in both parties criticized him for "not finishing the job".

The Obama administration has paid a lot of lip service about being for the people, but has only helped the 1% that are loyal to him. GM is a great example. Rhetoric would lead us to believe that jobs were saved with the bailout, but GM could have operated while reorganizing in bankrupcy. The Unions did okay in getting a piece of the company, but the rank and file lost out. There are still a lot of unemployed autoworkers here in Ohio. Maybe if they didn't get so much government money, GM would have been forced to build Buicks in some of the plants they shut down in the US and exported them to China. With their government funds, they are building a plant in China to make Buicks. This only helps the rank and file if they can move to China. As far as the GM bosses, well the Treasury Dept. just approved a $7.7million pay package for the CEO. So much for the 99%. Can a Repbulican be any worse?

I don't think that either party has the stomach to stop a good thing to prevent a bubble. The government supported the Y2K scare which resulted in the tech bubble; both parties liked the housing boom because everybody was happy. The American dream with no money down. The next bubble, or at least on that will be coming up soon, is the pension bubble. If the government tries to spend our way out of that, which tends to be the Obama approach, we will all get some retirement, but we won't be able to buy anything with it. The only beneficiaries of this kind of policy will be the very rich, and large, international corporations ... the very entities Obama is encouraging us to hate.

This is why I am willing to give Romney a chance. I think he is smart enough to figure out a way to make government more efficient in delivering the goods and services we expect. While compared to Obama, everyone looks conservative, I don't believe that Romney is a hard core conservative. I don't expect him to pull a Santorum and go after social issues. I also don't think he will be so aggressive in debt reduction as to destroy either the social safety nets, or the environment, but won't be as radical as Obama, who is trashing the business climate.

The course we're on is not working, and I don't fear another approach as much as staying the course.

Hope that answers your question on why I would support a Republican.

You look very young for a 41yr. old.

Roger:

I appreciate you taking the time to share your views. What I do not understand however is why you consider President Obama to be so "radical". Seems to me that businesses, and the stock market, are doing quite well under President Obama, even as they whine and complain about his every move.

Maybe I am just confused, but wasn't the Republican Party running the show for much of the past decade? And didn't we end up with a collapsing job and housing market and record debt under their leadership? So how is it that you so conveniently lay blame for all of this at President Obama's feet?

As far as Mitt Romney goes, I am going to need some specifics from him. He has proven himself as only believing in one thing - himself. That is not the type of person we need as President in my humble opinion.

P.S. Thanks for the compliment, but if you are referring to my profile pic, that is my alterego - Trinity from the movie the Matrix! :o)