Akin and Foxx are both rhetorically challenged....translation = idiots!

...and The Weeper echoes the lie of Blunt. The student loan rates have nothing, nada, zip to do with the ACA.

Inflammatory statements.....Lies!

Gotta love "this is what you said in your own words." lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Xp-sYMbLE&feature=youtu.be

I always like to play this when I'm tired of the world

COMMANDER: Geez, I don't know. Where the hell are we going to find the money for all the GOP tax cuts for the uber rich??? Guess that takes precedence over educating our next generation of citizens. Oh, and while we're at it, where we going to find the money for those 2 little shooting wars of Dubya's??? You know, the wars that were totally UNFUNDED.

I worked my way through college and never accumulated any debt. It can be done!! You have to actually apply yourself and practice time management.

This all about the 1% trying to keep the 99% in their place. They don't want other college educated kids competing with their collage educated children for jobs and the good life. Bustards all!! I have three daughters that are all teachers. They had students loans and are paying them back while working. One of them is getting her masters while teaching, running a home for her family, and going to summer school for her degree, so tell me about lazy.

H.R.2669 College Cost Reduction and Access Act

Title II: Student Loan Benefits, Terms, and Conditions - (Sec. 201) Phases-in cuts in the interest rate charged undergraduate student borrowers under the Federal Family Education Loan (FFEL) and Direct Loan (DL) programs, thereby reducing such rate from 6.8% in July 2006 to 3.4% in July 2011.

7/20/2007 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Yea-Nay Vote. 78 - 18. Record Vote Number: 272 - Obama (D-IL), Not Voting

9/7/2007 Conference report agreed to in Senate: Senate agreed to conference report by Yea-Nay Vote. 79 - 12. Record Vote Number: 326 - Obama (D-IL), Not Voting

9/27/2007 Signed by President George W. Bush

Intresting video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h8O7V-WxWQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h8O7V-WxWQ&feature=related

It makes fun of Democrats and Republicans.

Gee David, you make reference to the worst recovery in history, but NO mention of the worst recession EVER short of the big depression. I'm sure you just forgot.

Commander, there IS no bail out of the student loan program. It is a continuation with funds loaned at 3%. Banks are paying next to nothing for THEIR funds. We still make a little money.

Govt taking over the loan program was the smartest thing they have done in decades. The banks used to service the loan with NO risk at all and took all the fees, leaving the Govt with the risk and some bad loans. To save money, the Govt took over servicing. Makes perfect sense. Now if those poor banks want the program back and agree to take the RISK as well, then maybe we should consider.

Which is why I never understood taking words out of context.

1. To make a Democrat look bad just take his words out of context.
2. To make a Republican look bad just use his words in context.

Simple...

The Congressional Representatives are NOT running against you for President.

Au contraire, in a very real sense of the word Obama IS running against the Congressional record.

Romney's only hope is he can lie to enough Americans to counterbalance the historically negative Republican House. Or should I say, Teabaggican House.

Advantage Obama...

"Devdoc12able" said:

"Obama cares so much for the students, he really does...He cares so much that as a Senator his missed the vote to pass the student loan bill."

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When the bill came up for final passage on September 7, 2007, then-Senator Obama did not vote; he was campaigning for president in California and Oregon.

On the face of it, that's a stupid attack: the bill passed overwhelmingly, by a 79-12 margin; his vote was irrelevant. And it's not like he was goofing off: Obama was running for president. If his vote would have made a difference, he would have returned to D.C. to cast it—but it didn't.

Moreoever, every single one of the 12 no votes in the Senate were cast by Republicans. The same thing was true in the House, where a majority of Republicans voted against the measure. Even if you fault Obama for missing the vote, at least he didn't try to kill the bill.

Yet John Boehner's press shop keeps piling on:

“It seems not much has changed,” said Brendan Buck, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. “Five years ago, just like today, the President put campaigning before governing. As a result, 50 percent of new graduates can’t find full-time employment in this economy.”

Sure enough, Boehner was among those who voted no on the bill. And he's not supporting it now.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/24/1085944/-Coincidence-Republicans-oppose-affordable-student-loans-launch-another-stupid-attack-on-Obama

David Noah

You do realize that we were in the Great Recession, meaning it was worse than ANY other recession except the Great Depression. You also must know that it's not just an US recession, but a WORLD recession.

You do understand that we are part of the WORLD economy. That what affects them, affects us as well. WE are not an economic island, haven't been for a very long time.

You of course know that the economy, no matter whom is POTUS, will not be back to the levels it has been for probably many more years to come. That the housing market may not recover from the crash for another ten years.

And of course you realize that it is impossible to turn around a problem of this magnitude in 3 1/2 years. The US has been digging this hole for 2 generations. OF course you know a generation is 20 years. So that means 40 yrs.

Obama is doing an amazing job! Much better that could have been expected by anyone intelligent enough to realize the deep sh&$# we were in.

Seriously, the Republicans are a bunch of bumbling idiots and it will be fun to watch them crash and burn in November! Now the entire Republican party is doing a giant flip-flop and having an Etch-a-sketch moment... and all because our president started campaigning! Romney will be humiliated trying to debate and challenge President Obama in this election. I almost feel sorry for the knuckle-draggers... naw.

Obama/Biden 2012!

Commander,

Republican's want to take it out of a fund that pays for preventative care as part of Obamacare.

Democrats want to close a corporate tax loop hole.

Pick your party line poison.

Justoneguy

"Deficits don't matter."

Ronald Reagan.

NOW you're concerned?

Federal government spending has risen under President Obama, mostly because of the $800 billion stimulus designed to offset the massive recession he inherited from President Bush. But the increase in federal spending under Obama is dwarfed by the colossal increase under President Bush.

justoneguy -

We had this fixed! In 2000, when Bush and Republican majorities in both houses were elected, the budget was running a surplus ($240B) and our national debt was $5.8T. After 8 years of Republican budgets, our debt was $11.9T and the economy was in the toilet.

Republicans blame all of this on entitlements. Did entitlements increase $6.1T in 8 years? No! Republicans decreased government revenue with massive tax cuts and increases government spending beyond all rational bounds. The first Bush/Republican budget (2001) budget spent $1.8T. The last federal budget under Bush spent $3.5T with a deficit of $1.4T!!!

Your comments about Obama being the biggest deficit spender in history are false! The biggest deficit spenders in history were Republican. Now, explain to me why we want to put them back in place to do it all over again?

JJ-johnnyreb2874187,

The war machine does not want the wars to end. We have withdrawal dates for both wars and the war machine says it is too fast.

Who are the war machine? They are the Republicans, most of the Pentagon, and the Halliburton like companies.

Feisty et. all- In the name of truth I agree with you on this one. I am all for using the words of politicians against them to expose hypocracy, misuse of office, misuse of funds, bloated bureaucracy, etc.

"Obama made use of Akin’s words today, telling the Iowa students, “You've got one member of Congress who compared these student loans -- I'm not kidding here -- to a ‘stage-three cancer of socialism.’”

The President clearly misused the words of the quoted representative. The representative said that the government taking over the student loan system exposed it to rampant bloating, misuse, and the growth of student loan debt because universities realized that the government would insure larger and larger loans so they could keep charging more. The President make it appear that the representative was against students, whereas he was against socialism- the socialism of student loans. That's a bit different.

Back to the general topic- I agree that we need to use the words/actions of our representatives to keep checks/balances on their powers and the definitions of laws and the Constitution. Examples:

We just had the director of the GSA's finance committee talking to Congress about them cutting 30% of their car fleet to save money (a good thing). A Congressman asked how many card do you have in your fleet, to which the Director said he didn't know. He was challenged numerous times based on his position, his being an accountant, and his oversight of the overall budgeting of the GSA, but he kept saying that he didn't know. BS, CYA. So yes, hold the Director accountable.

We just had Eric Holder sit in front of a Congressional committee and say that he didn't know anything about Fast and Furious. Then the DOJ moved all of the relevent agents to DC, closed the files, denied the Border Patrol agent's family victim status, closed the murder case's files to the public, supress information and only provide 1/3 of the requested information to the Congressional committee (which now BTW it's coming out that there was a third Fast and Furious gun found at the murder scene). All the new information that is coming out is from reporters looking into things. We should hold the Director of the DOJ to his words and fire him/try him for purgery.

Don't the Republicans hate it when their own words can be spun back on them? Just like sand being kicked in their face!

Attention Feisty Red Head:

Does this sound familiar: "I will be held accountable,” Obama said. “I’ve got four years and … A year form now, I think people are going to see that we’re starting to make some progress, but there’s still going to be some pain out there … If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.” You've quite probably never seen or heard that because you keep your head in the sand. But hundreds of examples of his words will come back to haunt him, you, and those like you and I'm gleefully looking forward to the self-destruction of his pathetic, sorry excuse for a leader, presidency. If you want to try and play the "he said she said" stuff. You will lose so badly there will need to be a mercy call. Unlike your messiah that has to fabricate and re-organize statements to make them talking points for himself, the right only needs to provide video and audio footage of the loser in charge.

Romney = successful businessman who no matter how much money he's made has created THOUSANDS of jobs that are still here today. barack=someone who has never produced anything in the free market, lived off of taxpayer money for most of his career and wants to tell you he's on your side while living among the very people that he publicly chastises. No thanks, I'll take the rich guy who's done something productive with his life and leave the do nothing guy who says he likes me on the sidelines. John Lovitz nailed it!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, ILand friends: how is it that you are always the first to Post, Do you work for MSNNBC??,

Regardless, I must also agree with you. that we should use Politicians words against them. However it should not be related to what ever party they belong to but rather to the individual that spoke. In today's World, everything you say is recorded.

I must say that you did bend the truth a little to make your point. Half of us noticed it. Remember we are not all right wings, we just have a different opinion from your propaganda.

Gary,

"spun" is the perfect word. Thank you for proving our point.

furthermore, what the hell do the "1%" get from the 99%?

Everything.

• They get their labor pool to exploit.
• They get people to buy their products while using them as guinea pigs.
• They get people to pay their taxes.
• They get people to earn the money they steal
• They get people who pathetically invest their tiny amounts of money into big pools that they use to exploit other companies.
• they get people who foolishly vote to expand their agenda because they are too short sighted or poorly educated to understand the big picture.

shall I go on or do you get the idea?

Once again, the Bamster is proving his failure of leadership ! Instead of working with the Congress to find common goals and build consensus, he twists the words of a few as he furthers his divisive rhetoric !!

Obama is pandering for votes as he plays the nasty game of politics once again. He wants more student loans at cheaper interest and doesn't really care if the loans are paid back .... so long as he gets re-elected. Meanwhile, the $16 trillion national debt continues to rise and those students he is pandering to will get to bear the burden of paying it down .... or the U.S. will go bankrupt !

David-3426531 - Tell me David, what year did you graduate? What was your annual tuition rate? What was the rate of unemployment? 5%...6%? If you graduated over 10 years ago, your comments are disingenuous. If you graduate within the last 10 years...mommy and daddy paid for your schooling and the jobs were for beer money.

Hey Obama, what about the thousands of R.O.T.C. scholarships that you've cut out of the budget? These are kids that want a college education, and want to serve their country in return for it. Oh, I guess you have to say "screw my country, I want mine!" to get any sort of consideration from THIS administration.

Bill, do you understand what is happening in the military right now, as you type this crap? The US Armed Forces are in the process of a "draw-down". Congressional Offices throughout the country were already notified that next year, their available Academy Nominations will fewer. Administrative discharges throughout the military are on the rise. Enlistment criteria is tightening up. Prior service enlistments are taking a lower priority. It's called a draw-down Bill. It happens after every war. You can blame it on Obama if you want but in all fairness, you then have to credit him with ending the Iraq war and beginning the withdrawal in Afghanistan that allows for a draw-down.

Thank you for proving our point.

Right back at ya. FACE!

Our deficit situation will not be brought under control through cuts alone. Sane people understand this. Why is it that sacrifice is expected to come from those who are just hanging on by a thread as it is? Where is the shared sacrifice? The cuts are happening. Time to discuss revenue. Tax rates are at an all-time low, and it shows. We don't pay for anything (wars, unfunded mandates, etc) And, one only needs to look at where austerity has been implemented to see that such policies are ushering in another recession.

Our corporate tax rates are currently the highest in the world.

The oly folks on this thread calling for more and more tax are the one's that have nothing to lose.

Gary, come on you can do better than that. Tell me how barack truthfully and accurately quoted his sources? Tell me how he didn't mix or spin the words to try and drum up false hatred toward the right. Tell me how he is telling it exactly like it is.

Come on come on come on....this should be easy for you since you've got all this overwhelming proof right in front of you. If you'd like I'll provide you with links to the actual video footage so it will be even more easy for you to prove the point.

I'll be anxiously waiting for the "oh yeah, yo mama" comeback.

mj-1451595

oh my, I'm saddened that there are people like you out here in the world who have access to dangerous electrical items and could easily get hurt if they're not careful. Please be cautious on your daily travels and be extremely careful when handling spoons, bowls, lamp cords and keyboards. I'm concerned for your well being so you be careful out there okay?

I think the "1%" should just fold up shop...every one of them. I'm sure you'd be the first one huddled in a corner crying like a baby or perhaps looting everything in sight. Either way, you're statement has no logic whatsoever, you really need to read something on business, or at least owning and operating a lemonade stand. And I say that not to be insulting but with concern and all due respect to you and your special colleagues out there.

Wow!

Meanwhile, another piece (where comments aren't allowed) is "Congress steering US economy toward a 'fiscal cliff' ".

Yep, it's all Congress' fault. Absolutely nothing to do with the lack of leadership in the White House, unless of course, it's the former leadership.

Of course many want to blame Congress for blocking everything Obama has tried to do, totally ignoring the fact that for the first two years of his administration, Obama owned Congress. Not sure why nothing got done then.

Talk about a desperate, tiny person Obama is. The divider & chief is a one trick pony about to be put out to pasture come November. Wonder who he'll blame for that?

“very little tolerance for people who tell me that they graduate with $200,000 of debt or even $80,000 of debt because there’s no reason for that.”

No reason for it??? Who the @!$%# elected this idiot??? Has she even looked at tuition levels??? You rack up $50,000 to $60,000 in debt for public universities alone, not to mention the often higher quality private schools. College prices are skyrocketing at 2.5 times inflation, faster than healthcare costs. My solution would be to reform K-12 education, decrease dropouts, and start making college cheaper by offering more aid to both colleges and students and investing more in cheaper public universities.

She went on to say, “I remind folks all the time that the Declaration of Independence says, ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’ You don’t just sit on your butt and have it dumped in your lap.”

May I also remind you that the Declaration of Independence says that "all men are created Equal," and that includes gays and minorities??? Where's the outrage at your party's homophobic and anti-minority policies???? Nice double standard, you right-wing hypocrite.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Its nice that you bothered to read the article. Obama twists the words out of context. Completely misquotes, then finish the article and discover that its his own doing. If you took the money you owe the money. This is proof that Obama has failed. In a good economy, the student loan thingy was easy to pay back because you could find a job. If they ( the students) don't want to pay it back now, what good is offering a little more debt. This isn't r or d this is about individual responsibility.

Another series of questions for you…

He has violated more international treaties than any other president in U.S. history. He is the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission during his administration, and also withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

This president’s administration set an all-time record for most home foreclosures in any 12-month period. More families lost their homes during the first two years of this President’s administration of any other THREE U.S. Presidents combined.

The all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market occurred during this President’s administration. This president set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President. No other president has ever received more corporate campaign donations. The all-time U.S. and world record-holder for money received from political action committees and corporate donations is this president.

Has continually refused to allow inspectors to access to U.S. "prisoner of war" detainees and thereby has become the first President to refuse to abide by the Geneva Convention. He is the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors.

Has set the record for least number of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

Has set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period.

Has set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest against him in public venues (15 million people worldwide), shattering the record for protests against any other person in the history of mankind, including the leaders of both Germany and the Soviet Union during World War II.

Was the first President in U.S. history to cut health care benefits for war veterans and supported a cut in benefits for active duty troops and their families - all during wartime.

Who is he?

George W. Bush.

Oh, and he also came into office with the biggest budget surplus in history, to leave it with the largest deficits ever recorded.

That’s the Republican party. How they can claim to love America, when they clearly hate the average American is totally beyond me… Why would we want to put them BACK in office to do it to us again? Just look at Willard’s track record. Total destruction and devastation of multiple profitable businesses in the name of profiteering. You want him to do that to the US?

EEngineer

justoneguy -

We had this fixed! In 2000, when Bush and Republican majorities in both houses were elected, the budget was running a surplus ($240B) and our national debt was

September 2007: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to $9.815 trillion

July 2008:[Democratic-controlled]Congress raising the debt limit to $10.615 trillion

October 2008: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $11.315 trillion

December 2009: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $12.394 trillion

February 2010: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit $14.294trillion

What are we now?

ALMOST 16 TRILLION!?!?! Way to spend our tax money

Mr. Big $PENDER OBAMA - Epic Fail

The student loan
stuff that's the focal point of Obama's speeches that he's making to youth
wherever he goes is legislation the Democrats wrote but he won't tell you that!
He talked about it a lot yesterday. The interest rate increase is coming up for
a vote on July 1st because the Democrat-controlled Congress in 2007 wanted it
that way. Obama is running around scaring these students who don't know the
facts or the truth behind this, that if something isn't done by the Congress,
by July 1st, their student loan interest rate will double.

The Democrats controlled both houses of Congress in 2007. They had just won the
election. The House, they took it back in 2006. Pelosi's running the House;
Democrats are running the Senate. So 2007 they passed legislation that would
cut the student loan interest rate in half and then reinstituted it July 1st
this year, on purpose. They wanted the college student loan interest rate to
double in an election year, in the summer right before the conventions. They
were rolling the dice.

So that it would appear to be doubling to students this year, the Democrats did
all of this. They did it to have a campaign issue in case they needed it in
2012. July 1st. So five years ago they planned this. Obama was a Senator in
2007, and he didn't even vote on this bill. Twice! There were two votes on
raising the college loan interest rate back to what it will be -- doubling it,
in effect -- on July 1st, 2012. He didn't even vote "present." He was
too busy campaigning. That's how vitally important the issue of student loan
interest rates was to him back then.

@EvaPeron: Don't insult the name of the Argentinian who did for the poorer more than any of the Presidents of the Country. And it didn't belong to the 1% by the way. She would never voted GOPPERS, She was against them

"THeir own words" - typical of the underhanded tactics used by this Administration - he must have learned this tactic from JOsef Stalin!!!!!!!

This is going to be a very different campaign by Obama this time. The "three stage cancer" quote was quite effective since he chose to "edit" it to suit his agenda, and not the truth! Like the edit of the 911 tape in the florida incident purely for racial frenzy, and ratings! What happened to the Obama that ran an honest Hope, and Change campaign? I think his failure to deliver on any of his promises while in office, and the realization that the people are not going to be fooled again has made him a desperate person afraid of losing the power of the office he has failed in!

Jim, our corporate tax rate is high...ON PAPER, in reality (where you don't live) our corporate tax rate is one of the lowest. Canada has a tax rate of 16.5%, yet companies stay here. Our effective tax rate is about 12% with all the deductions we allow that other countries don't.

I would rather have Keynesian policies that help this country than some WETBACK wanting more money for himself.

JonSmith93903,

Funny, as I sit here reading your ludicrous post, I happen to be working on the 1120 Corporate tax return for my company. I am, in fact, working on the tax accrual which generally boils down to about 32.58% federal taxes and almost 7% for the various states that we file.

You do understand what a tax accrual is don't you genius ? A cross-accrual with multiple states having different tax rates is pretty tricky. But since you appear to be talking totally out of your gluteus maximus, my guess is you are totally clueless.

So, thanks for playing ! Thanks for telling a Certified Public Accountant that he does not understand corporate taxes. Maybe next, you could educate me on the inticacies of Schedule M-1, M-2 and M-3. Don't know what they are ?? I really didn't think so. Maybe you could explain why my taxable income is HIGHER than my book income ??

Nawwww ! You would rather just spout of something glib and pretend you know what in the hell you are talking about. Thanks for the comedic relief today !

In reality where I live, you get a big fat "F" in tax accounting for the day and have exposed your lack of knowledge along the way ! ROTFLMAO at you.

I know. Boner is such a liar.

no joe; nice try (and fail) to change the subject, but Boehner did misrepresent the facts (lie) in this instance. Too bad, I had hope that he was actually a good guy in a bad situation.

It's sad that the GOP chooses to take a statistically insignificant number of situations - some of which probably have legit reason - and broad-brush smear thousands of Americans.

As I pointed out to you earlier chilled, the healthcare bill called for the government "takeover" of education funding from the private banks who were in it for the money also. Except in his case, it was to help "fund" the ACA with the interest collected.

The ACA isn't even in full effect yet.

That's right it isn't. Just the tip of the iceberg of "we have to pass it to find out what's in it". Many of the provisions took affect shortly after passage and continue to "trickle in" so as to keep the pain to a minimum and keep the sheep at bay when they find out the truth about the other junk within.

how about somebody enlightens them about the amount of debt his spending is saddling them- and their unborn children- with. Think that will wake them up?

I doubt it no joe. If they are like their predecessors of recent years, they can't see beyond next month. Nor do they want to. Saddling them, perhaps. Their unborn children, I doubt they care about right now. It is still the me me me generation we are talking about.

Problems?

School record?

President of Harvard Law Review because.............................

Bea O'Problems

Funny. Obozo's own academic record is muddled and cloudy at best.

I think you are confusing P. Obama's record with P. Bush's record. Bush did not released his transcripts but someone else did it for him. This transcript belongs to someone who is not very bright and/or spent too much time boozing and snorting coke...

http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp

Obama mention to the students whose pain he feels the half a million in bank stock he inherited from his grandmother in 2009?

Seems to me that's long after he graduated from college.

He went to exclusive prep schools, for one thing- and I'm fairly certain his family paid for that. He never seems to mention that little fact of his "humble beginnings".

His family paid for it? He attended Occidental college for 2 years under a full scholarship. Occidental is considered a "second choice" in the LA area, UCLA or USC being more prestigious. He then spent 2 years at Columbia University in NYC, where, in his own words, Obama says he made it through hard work and college loans. He then went to Harvard where he graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School. These things can all be substantiated despite any "birther" crap that might be distributed through email. I don't see anything particularly "priviliged" about his history nor anything for Obama to be ashamed of.

These young, educated idiots want to fall for Obama's line of malarkey?

Oh, an unsubstantiated, ambiguous slam! Just what malarkey might that be? Do you know that school loan rates from the government are set to double this year? Do you know that current rates of unemployment for recent college graduates are about 50%?

The only "malarkey" that students are falling for is the increased risk of higher college education costs with no promise of employment to be able to pay off those higher student loans when they graduate. And that is not Obama's fault. That is the result of 8 years of Republican mismanagement that trashed our American economy.

If college students choose to vote Democratic, I suggest that it will be the result of the Republican record of running our country, not due to any "malarkey" fed them by Obama!

When the interest rates were lowered by the Democrats that controlled the legislation, they specifically had a sunset date just prior to the election so they could make it a political issue and inspire the handout gimme gimme gimme crowd. It means nothing that the taxpayers are now on the hook for almost a trillion dollars of student loans, which will be as big as the housing bubble when it bursts. Who cares if it does nothing to address the skyrocketing cost of education, which should be the concern. Just so long as our liberal entitlement babies get their fill of more government freebies. I am confident your children, grand children, and great grand children will be thrilled to be paying for your liberal entitlement education.

no joe, no bo, nj

Liar? How about lies of omission.

Obama mention to the students whose pain he feels the half a million in bank stock he inherited from his grandmother in 2009?

There is not a damn thing wrong with that- but, when he talks about his "poor" past- I'm pretty sure he exaggerates. A lot.

Wow Jo Bo,

You're pretty sure he exaggerates? A lot!!? I guess that just came out of your Republican head, or did you receive your daily dose of gibberish from Fux or Rush?

Everyone (the republicans) keep saying these students are lazy, why should the taxpayers carry their burden etc.

WTF are you talking about?

These are student loans, which gets paid back with interest. They are talking about keeping the interst rates low---that is all!!!

I am paying off my student loans and if my interst rates double I will not be able to continue paying so who does that benefit?

Andie469, you do know that if you are paying off your loans you are not in school, and this rate does not apply to you at all!

Time to get rid of the 'Boner' and clean out the party of 'NO'. We are citizens and taxpayers. There will be good times and there will be lean times. If we are able to get a break during lean times that does not mean 'Socialism' as the republicans would have everyone believe. All I have seen in 30 plus years is a party which is beholden to the Rich paying mere lip service to the average citizen and creating a tilted playing field where a few can line their pockets and shelter their ill gotten gains.

@ Talk to the Hand... im a college student and agree with you. When the govt took over student loans it was the worst thing to ever happen. The loans that I was getting pre-government takeover were much easier to deal with, and I had a lot of options on interest rates, amounts, and sources. Now there's a firm cap on amounts and it's much harder to get through all the red tape in the application process.

It means nothing that the taxpayers are now on the hook for almost a trillion dollars of student loans...

First, let's examine why there are almost $1T in defaulted student loans. Could it be because there are no jobs? Could it be because almost 50% of recent college grads are unemployed? We can lay that right at Republican's feet. If Bush and his Republican cronies hadn't trashed the American economy, we wouldn't be facing this crisis, now would we?

I am confident your children, grand children, and great grand children will be thrilled to be paying for your liberal entitlement education.

Just how thrilled are they going to be paying for $6.1T of Republican deficit spending from the last administration? How about the $1T debt for the Iraq war based on lies and phony intelligence? Tax breaks for the rich? Subsidies for big oil while they post $10B per quarter profit?

Hell, that $1T for college loans is a real bargain copmpared to Republican boondoggles!

Funny how you trash Bush, without any example. Obama has been here for 3+ years where is his complete turn around. That one does not exist. The Iraq war was based on Clinton's "lies" do your self a favor and look that one up. Big oil? stop using it, even more important look for yourself and see what they actually do pay in taxes. 1 trillion that you want to shrug your shoulders at is a little more than 10b a quarter that you are crying about.

In truth, Bill Clinton and Madeleine Allbright were talking about Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" long before Bush was elected.

But don't tell that to a libtard .... reality tends to give them an immediate case of diarrhea. I sure hope there is a "RUN"on Kaopectate on Nov. 7, 2012. LOL !

In reality Clinton bombed Iraq. Desert fox

You do know that they don't get teleprompters in debated right?

Elliot-3020456, you do realize your beloved Mittens also uses a teleprompter, right?

You underestimate Mitt, just like Gingrich did.

Mitt didn't beat Gingrich; Gingrich beat Gingrich.

It would be hard to underestimate Romney. He is pretty bad, at least in how he comes across on an individual level.

Romney has to just let Obama talk....he opens his mouth and lies follow!!

David sounds like your speaking of no core Romney to me

Bet you $10,000 that Romney can't even hold Obama's jock strap in a debate.

Ah elliot has a fixation on MENS undies...

Willards Magic Shorts must get you all in a flutter too Elliot ... and with the abilities you publicly demonstate here dan a NON SERVING Chicken Hawk...

What are you going to do

when Willard REFUSES to take the OATH of OFFICE on a Christian Bible ?

You KNOW of COURSE that THE LDS Church considers The King James Bible to be a TOOL OF SATAN

and WILL NOT allow Willard to place his hand on it and take an oath to GOD ....right ?

David=news vine troll.

Enough said.

HA HA...sorry the truth hurts 'wives fan'...the biggest troll always leads "First Read" comments...scroll up for the name.

Elliot-forget teleprompters-no one can supply mitt with a personality

JDills

Nice elementary school comeback, what are you 10?

How about this; I'll bet you the future of America remaining the most powerful and prosperous country in the world. If you win, we all lose in ways your miniscule education doesn't comprehend, if I win, you can thank me in 20 years when this hold that your messiah dug gets filled in.

Hahaha! no teleprompter!

Let's look at the record for Romney:

"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners."

"I love this state. The trees are the right height."

"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed."

"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in."

Now, who needs the teleprompter?

"Mittens"...how cute.

I'll suggest "Girlyhands" or "Ladyfingers" for Mr. Obama.

Teleprompters for speech in elementary class room, Yup that's Obama for ya.

Wrong, Elliott - teleprompters were set up in a classroom where the president made a statement to reporters about the Race to the Top program. That happened after he talked with the sixth-graders in a separate classroom with no teleprompters.

See how stupid you look when you parrot debunked rw talking points?

Tony,

"Mittens"...how cute.

I hope you're equally enthusiastic in ridiculing those who distort Obama's name. I've got this weird hunch you couldn't care less, though....

realist,

So now we elect presidents based on personality?? Well...that might have worked in 2008 when Democrats were so "awestruck" with Obama, but now that he's been fumbling the last 3 years, clearly shows that perhaps people shouldn't pick a president based on personality, right?

daryl.... I have a GOGGLE MACHINE, it works

it takes me here: http://www.evangelical.us/lds-church/bible.html

YOU are a RIGHT WING RACIST LIAR

and I believe you would trash your mother & your sister

if you thought you would benefit from it .

It helps to take a bath before you pose as another, people remember stink .

See, let them speak long enough and you get to see two liberals fighting over who's smartest. That could be a looooonnng drawn out battle of half-wits.

Why would he have to when every one of you leftist socialists would give your life to hold Obama's jock strap. You would probably give your right arm just to smell it.

Hey, at least we lefty socialists like our nominee. You fascist bastards on the right don't even like Romney, much less believe him. That guy is a fascist bastard who claims to have the "elixir" to "dynamic growth." Unfortunately, we already tried that elixir, and it almost killed us. To hell with Romney. To hell with you fascist bastards. May God have mercy on you, for the American people will not.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

OCCUPY RNC HQ!!!

You talk a good story for someone who can't vote and doesn't pay taxes

Freshieee;

Define "fascist" because you obviously don't know what it represents.

Whether you agree with her policies or not, you cannot debate her effectiveness. She was able to get more legislation passed in her first two years, with Bush as president, than Boehner has in his 20+ years in the House.

Everyone knows Cantor run things on the GOP side in the House. And that is not good.

WRONG !! Cantor is NOTHING more than Rove's messengerboy

and the reason they USE Cantor is that he has NO moral compass..

unlike Boehner .

Boehner's moral compass ( like Romney's) is spinning like a top. Never pointing in the same direction more than a split second.

Do you really want medocracy for all? Because that is what you get with socialism.

Yeah, those Scandinavians are so mediocre. Even though they enjoy some of the best quality of life on the planet and have socialist governments. What about those mediocre Chinese communist mathematicians? Lame brains.

First Elliot leroy isnt saying we should be a Socailist Govt he is saying that in some situations it is a better way to do one thing or another. People health and education should not be for pure profit. If are people are educated and healthy then we all win . Should the making and selling of Wigets be socialized ? No but educated are kids ? Yes ( thats not a absolute ie Assoc Degree ? yes Doctrine ? NO

Does any of this look familiar to you?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Now where does it say that the government is required to provide you with life, liberty and happiness? You have the right to pursue it but are not entitled to get it at the cost of anyone else's freedom.

The government can not give to one without taking from another.

Leroy, Education is all but socialized. You've been sleeping. I've went to public school. My kids have gone to both public and private.

Private schools are an entirely different world. My high school was around 900 kids

Less Drugs 1 drug bust in 5 years

Less Violence

No Teen pregnancy in 5 years of high school so far.

Less Stealing. Most kids don't even bother to put a lock on their lockers.

No police

No metal detecters.

We had the daughter of a friend stay for 3 months at our home. She was in our public school where my kids would have gone. She was groped twice on the bus, had some personal items stolen. She was in a vocational program and they had security at both schools.

Yeah, your right, we should have the government run them all!

If you really care for your kids, find the money to put them in a private school even if it means working extra legal jobs.

Oh, yeah I forgot the most important part. They have a heavier course load and get better grades.

Elliot - First the founders never intended for this nation to stay the same we should always strive to form a more perfect nation. Also when people Quate the Constitution as the reason not to chnage something its kind of offensive. If we didnt change things a black man wouldnt be a full man. Sticking to dogma and or pure ideology is boarder line insane

do you seriously think because they are public schools "run by the government" that is why there may be more crime, problems, etc. be smart. think about it really. you can do it. parents that have the resources to send their children to private school care about education, most have higher socioeconomic status. private schools can kick out anyone they wish if they are creating a disturbance, public school by law has to educate everyone. these are 2 different worlds and it has nothing to do with the government running one and a business running the other. they play by different rules. seriously.

That is a Quote from the Declaration of Independence!

Not the Constitution. You must have relied on a socialized education.

And do these private schools simply take in any and every student whether they can pay or not? Of course public schools have a lot more problems, but it's not because the "gubmint" runs them. The public school system takes on the extremely difficult task of educating ALL children, no matter how toxic an environment they come from, no matter what problems they may have. All children deserve to be educated right up to a university degree. Why is the USA the only developed country that has no comprehensive health care program for her citizens and the only country in the world who, right now, are making it more difficult for her children to get an education? Oh yeah, it's because you are better than the rest of us, and "freer." Lol...

You need to look at Kentuckys education system for public schools. The entire thing is fueled on money for the amount of kids you push through. Schools are directly paid by federal and state money regardless of whether a kid can read, write as long as teachers pass them. If you want tot teach in Kentucky you had better be able to push 100% of your students thru or your out. Public school kids have zero incentives to do any work and most kids do absolutely none! Its a joke.

Yeah...notice, KY is a red state...conservatives tend not to put a lot of emphasis on education.

How about your empty head?

I will always have you misguided kids in my thoughts and especially my prayers.

When you're praying, ask Jesus if he would vote for Obama or Romney.

@leroy brown: Enjoy your posts. Jesus will have those who really believe in Him vote for President Obama.

Don't pay any attention to "elliot". Minds too small for Him/Her to be out and about. Lost. Best regards

Eric....we have a democratic governor who is a real piece of crap.....its his educational policies that have us where we are now.....like most Libs you open mouth and insert foot!!

elliot is so handicapped he is of the mind that there are only ever 2 solutions to any problem...

"he" also has no understanding that our Military is COMPLETELY SOCIALIZED

as is the HOUSE & SENATE

our Police & fire Deprtments

or that corporations DEPEND on "socialism" to keep their employees

and just for him to ponder

IF you were raised in anything but a Socialistic family

you are almost certain to be damaged property as an adult...

but then you would never know it

unless someone was kind enough to inform you..

elliott.....?

Elliott I'm with you.

First of all MAC...with all due respect, (how's that moderator?)what an ignorant statement.

Mister Fids: or drama queen fids, you know you're taking it to extremes right? You also know that when talking about true socialism based on Marxist theology it's complete apples to oranges that you're typing about. You are attempting to belittle Elliott with some deep wisdom that you are not succeeding at. The far left, philosophy is "give us your money, we'll make the decisions for you and get you just the right amount of provisions to allow you to live under our wonderful and superior rule". That's what the right is against. Study it, look it up, whatever you have to do to learn it please do it. The word "socialism" is being loosely thrown around and you're using it in it's purest and simplest form and you know darn well that's not the argument.

There is obviously a need for some government in this country. The federal governments responsibilities are to primarily protect the country i.e. military. The local governments have responsibility to protect it's citizens, i.e. police, fire etc. Do I really need to explain how out of control the power hungry left has gotten or the points that the right are trying to make to you? No I don't believe I do because you know the points, you just enjoy using a blanket word like socialism to point out that it works. Well Mister Fids it doesn't work and if it did work so well why do so many come to the US, you know, land of opportunity, instead of your socialist European country's?

To the rest of you, especially leroy; the public education system is already socialized and yet again you libs are taking something someone says and twisting it all to hell to try and prove a point...but you can't. The school system is broken because the government runs it. Yes it is broken because of the "gubmint". Sure their are graduates from all walks of life getting decent educations and then many who are dumb as a stump but still graduate high school. The unionized teachers are generally not "all about the children" as so often expressed by libs because if they really were they wouldn't be crying about having to pay some of their own healthcare costs. There would never have been strikes in the past and our kids would be exceeding the rest of the world in their studies. Out of every school in this country how many have teachers who stay until 6-7 at night becuase they care? The answer; very, very few.

India has a massively larger poverty stricken population than we do so your argument about "difficult" situations is completely wrong. Their is only ONE area that American students are ranked #1 at in the world...only one...take a guess what it is. SELF IMAGE! That is a fact! We produce the most arrogant kids in the world while scoring pathetically low in all of the real subjects compared to the rest of the world. We have socialized schools, they have socialized schools, they kick our ass in everything. So maybe it's not the structure of the school system that works, maybe it's something else...like our elite, ruling class "gubmint".

So Mister Fids, don't sit on your self built high horse and pretend that your all knowing about the meaning of socialism. You're using the term in it's purest form and you know darn well that's not how it's used in political hierarchy. Oh by the way, even at that you're wrong about corporations. Socialized programs are one thing, a Socialist government is a completely different thing so stop watering down the issue. Oh yeah, in a family the parent(s) do something to produce money and they take care of the kids while hopefully teaching and protecting them. They do not make the kids work and then take their money in order to provide for them. Governments don't make money they take money. So again, using the term in it's simplest form is a nice try but you're totally off the mark when it comes to the real argument.

If you would like to get an education on the details of true Marxism, tyranny, communism, or fascism we can certainly do that . But then again, with all due respect (nod to the moderator), your handicapped mind probably won't be able to process the complexities of the subjects unless someone is kind enough to spoon feed them to you..don't you think?...mister?

Well Mister Fids it doesn't work and if it did work so well why do so many come to the US, you know, land of opportunity, instead of your socialist European country's [sic]?

Apparently, you haven't heard about the influx of immigrants in France, the U.K, Denmark, etc. Remember the Norway killer, Breivik? He was angry about multiculturalism and immigration. Trust me, lots of people want to go to Europe.

Otherwise, I tend to agree with you that Marxism is not good for this country. But Mister Fids does make a point: This country is already, and has been for some time, a mixture of capitalism and socialism. Sadly, the far left does try to take it too far. But the far right isn't any better. Obviously, we need a moderate solution.

As far as socializing education, I'm not sure how I feel about that. But socializing medicine does seem the right thing to do. As someone quoted above, the Declaration of Independence states a right to "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." What was the first one again? Oh, right. Life.

Health Care = Life. After all, one cannot pursue happiness if one is ill or dead.

Eric OccupyChicago Robertsvia Facebook

Yeah...notice, KY is a red state...conservatives tend not to put a lot of emphasis on education.

Eric,

If you get too much Education you're far too likely to think for yourself, and Republicans certainly don't want that, or their base will realize they are voting against their own best interests, while Republicans continue to do everything they can to establish an Aristocracy.

johndevine,

When I read your drivel it makes me laugh. You spout the same demmie talking points as others do here on this website and you like to imply those with different OPINIONS than yours, actually do not think for themselves ...... before regurgitating more libtard catchphrases "such as voting against their own best interests".

And who is to decide what is in one's best self-interest ..... why, of course, it must be you, devine one ...... why we should all just bow down and genuflect before your self-appointed intellectual superiority, because YOU have decided you know what is best for someone else !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would somebody please hand me a barf bag ?????

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the National Debt is $16 trillion and rising every second, no budgets under Obama's leadership, no realistic plan for reducing the deficit ..... and some libtards such as you have proven your political arrogance again while our country continues on a disastrous fiscal path towards bankruptcy.

For everything else, Obama whips out the Mastercard because he sure as hell has never had a course in basic accounting, economics or finance !!!!!!

Tax and spend, redistribute the wealth, grow government at every opportunity, play class warfare and, when all else fails, blame Bush .... this is Obama's legacy

Now where does it say that the government is required to provide you with life, liberty and happiness? You have the right to pursue it but are not entitled to get it at the cost of anyone else's freedom.

The government can not give to one without taking from another.

Where the hell does it state that government has NO right to control education??? (note how I said government, not the feds).

To the rest of you, especially leroy; the public education system is already socialized and yet again you libs are taking something someone says and twisting it all to hell to try and prove a point...but you can't. The school system is broken because the government runs it. Yes it is broken because of the "gubmint".

Where the hell did you get that info??? The reason why our students our lagging is because of a lack of funds, overcrowded classes, outdated teaching techniques, and a lack of qualified teachers. The private sector would destroy education by charging high tuition rates. Socialized higher education; establish a flat rate at about 24% of parents' income, and increase funding and reforms for education.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Everything you want done costs money. Even taxing the rich more won't cover the deficit spending already in place. Ending wars would help. Not happening though. Sending aid to other countries? Nah, let Americans starve instead. The President could make positive changes, but he chooses the status quo and that is not ok with me. Romney wouldn't be any better. My guess is America will collapse just like Rome.

First of you uneducated idiot you don't inact laws you enact them, secondly congress has enacted a ton of legislation and it has been blocked by Harry Reid in the Senate. Your ignorance and stupidity explain why you support Obama!

JJ-johnnyreb2874187

Everything you want done costs money. Even taxing the rich more won't cover the deficit spending already in place. Ending wars would help. Not happening though. Sending aid to other countries? Nah, let Americans starve instead. The President could make positive changes, but he chooses the status quo and that is not ok with me. Romney wouldn't be any better. My guess is America will collapse just like Rome.

Actually, it would significantly help the deficit problem if we eliminated the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and raise income rates to 46% and the capital gains tax to 25%. Add reforms to entitlements and the tax code and some defense cuts, and presto. Deficit solved.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

KO stated....

"First of you uneducated idiot you don't inact laws you enact them"

Isn't it nice that the evangelical "tea" movement has empowered the ignorant and uneducated to feel self righteous about their illiteracy? No wonder the fools are stuck with Boehner and Romney. They get the liars that they deserve.

Of course, we're talking about the minority of the minority that have named themselves after a colonial rebellion standing up against taxation without representation...without even realizing the the United States has one of the most representative governments in the world. Dumb, dumb, dumb.....

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

You sound like you are at war.

BTW - if we don't change social security, it and the Federal government will collapse on itself. Those Trillions in Social Security really are only backed by the US Treasuries ability to print money.

Also the ACA cuts 500 Billion out of Medicare to fund the infra-structure of the ACA boards, exchanges, committies, and brown shirts.

I find it quite interesting that medicare advantage was supposed to end October 1. Some how Obama found billions to put a "trial replacement" program in place that will expire a few months after. Medicare Advantage was cut by the ACA and it's funding was part of the 500 Billion in savings. The geniuses on the Democrat side kind of forgot to fund it to passed the election so the seniors wouldn't be peed when they lose their bridge insurance that the republicans are supposed to be taking away from them and turn on the democrats in November.

Then there is the Student Loan Program. Seems Pelosi and company cut the interest rate in half and set it to expire before the election. Why? Nothing like trying to portray the republicans as against student loans and higher education. Obama's no saint on this either. According to Forbes magazine, the rate increase only affects those with new loans and only after their 6 months grace after school. Obama is portraying the increase as affecting all student loans which have been made.

The enemy is the Democrats, whom you trust, not the Republicans..

Dude...come to earth! Obama has put the screws to every one. My pension fund has dropped 8% since Obama took over, Social security and medicare will be here forever...and Obamas tax returns showed he paid less taxes than his own secretary.....He needs to go.....the country is being trashed by this moron!

um...that was Warren Buffet...

Um that was Obama too?...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/president-obamas-secretary-paid-higher-tax-rate-than-he-did/

DAVID... if YOU hadn't invested in the FOX-Herritage Variable Fund you'd have done much better, YOUR FAULT not BHO's .

" Social security and medicare will be here "...not if the ROVE driven GOP is elected, they will be as yesterday as abortion, gay rights, same day voter registration & union membership a MEMORY .

3rd ERROR in your single sentence post -

BHO paid a LESSER PERCENTAGE than his secretary,

if you don't want to look like a MORON in public

you have to act like you understand the difference between LESS & a LESSER PERCENTAGE....... even if you don't understand you can ACT can't you ?

So in an honest attempt to give you a chance to regain some measure of credibility, what EXACTLY is BHO doing to "trash America" in your eyes, other than being a Black POTUS ?

NDAA

Bobs:

You're completely wrong about social security and medicare. Parrot-like behavior. Show your proof, not something pelosi said but please demonstrate your knowledge on the subject by linking to or quoting something that the republican party has put forth that will in any way shape or form take medicare or Social Security away from seniors. Not a blog, not rachael maddows twitter quote, something concrete that will eliminate the argument once and for all. I'm begging you, show it or shut the hell up about it (with all due respect of course).

Also, in the words of your messiah, the stock market goes up and it goes down, I'm not concerned with it as an indicator. Also, the market goes down after nearly every one of his speeches. Home values are down 22%, unemployment hasn't gone below where he promised it wouldn't even hit. The economy isn't hanging on by a thread and he's wracked up more debt than all other presidents combined. His words will bite him, and you, in the ass so badly this fall it's going to be hysterical. You can try to "pick me off" but you won't stand a chance.

Poor right wing Mac--Another ,who awoke from his coma in 2008--He should ask his Mormon Messiah why the names,Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld, Paulson,Condy Rice and Osama Bin Laden never passes his flip-flopping lips.

So, Mr. Pindickster,

You have no tolerance for different religions ? And what is Mr. Obama's religion ?? Is he a member of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's "God damn America" branch of Christianity ?? Is he a closet Muslim who tries to appear to be Christian ???

Do you really know or will you be answering just because my questions show YOUR intolerant views of Mormons ????

Hi Charles,

First off, whenever libs respond to me the very first lines are so predictable that I'm starting to make a guessing game of what words they will use to replace which part of my handle. (that's old CB slang for you puppies out there). So again, libs don't fail to come through for me. How does changing "wac" to "Mac" help your case whatsoever? It's not even a solid attempt at being insulting. Anyway, that's a waste of time.

So Chuck....what's your point? I was seriously thinking about responding to you with a firm "oh yeah" because I figured it was something you could relate to. So come on, educate me and enlighten me. Although it doesn't appear you had the balls to actually address me, just sort of mocked with no substance.

Condi Rice? Don't bet on him not using her name.
Bush/Cheney? Ummm, they were massively unpopular at the end of their term so would you associate with them if you were running?
Rumsfield or Poulson? Are you serious? Who the hell running for anything would be talking about them. Question: Uuuhhh, why doesn't barack mention Rham Emanual? Answer:Because he's irrelevant bone head!
Osama? He's mentioned him plenty of times, after all it was the Bush policies and tactics that allowed barack to make the call but I'm sure you believe that barack was the first one through the door during the raid.

Lastly, Mormon messiah??? I can't believe I'm wasting my time on you but I will. In no way do I find Romney to be a perfect candidate. I will continually (once he's president) criticize him as I did Bush, Clinton, Bush 1, and even Reagan. I have one messiah and it aint no piece of garbage politician. HOWEVER, find me some serious liberals who will say anything negative about barack (other than a very wise John Lovitz). You can't find them anywhere. you guys will defend him no matter what the circumstances and from everything I see and hear your blind faith will cause you all to follow him straight through the gates of hell.

So to label barack as the liberal "messiah" is fairly accurate to the point of social sarcasm. For you to label Romney as my "Mormon messiah" has absolutely no merritt. It's a way to get in a dig against mormans and you argue like a typical liberal, skating past the subjects and proving nothing with your rhetoric.

So if you care to respond to something I've written here please have the nads to direct your spewings toward me and I assure you I will respond accordingly.

Nastiness and lies. You can tell by the right-wing posts that the once noble Republican party has become nothing more than a haven for the lowest of the low. Everyone please read the "substance" of the right wing posts and do your own homework.

I see no substance to your post. You are merely trying to disparage those with opinions different from yours. You make a "carpet-bombing" attack on all Republicans while trying to act like you are above it alll ?????? Hypocisy is alive in #9.13.

Jim...are you trying to convince me that your post #9.10 is relevant to anyone searching beyond Klan-man Rush's talking points?

Your not-so-clever and very disparaging variation of Mr. Pendexter's name proves that you are only using the word hypocrisy (spell check is cool, jim) because you heard it screeched on the radio and thought is sounded neat.

Poor teabaggers. They might actually get some pity from the civilized world if they weren't so nasty.

"My Presidency will be completely transparent.".......Senator Obama.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

We will be paid by the Iraqis for defending their country

Gas will be a dollar a gallon after we leave Iraq

5000 DEAD Daddies, Brothers, Sons & Daughters

COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM

TORTURE

A MERCENARY CONTRACT ARMY
....tell us ALL again about how responsible & TRUTHY the GOP are ...

HELL the GOP told us that 3 different people won the IOWA Caucuses

and Michigan told us 2 won

hows's that for BOLD FACED LYING !

You people & YOUR PARTY

are a National disgrace & a GLOBAL JOKE .

You have no clue what verbatim means do you dummy.

Hey Mr. Fids you still haven't responded to my earlier post but I'll respond to yours here.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED = Bush admitted the whole celebration was a poor choice but he or his administration didn't call for the banner. The ship and the network arranged it and that's a fact. (See a president admitting something negative, your leader should take a lesson)

We will be paid by the Iraqis for defending their country=Everybody assumed that and it was a water cooler talking point but show me somewhere that proves the republican party or Bush said this. I Double dog dare you. Whether it was a justified, bloated spending, wrong estimated cost war or whatever. I want you to back up what you wrote here. pssst...don't bother trying because you can't.

Gas will be a dollar a gallon after we leave Iraq=Again, who said this? Who wrote this? You're making sh$t up and you know it!

5000 DEAD Daddies, Brothers, Sons & Daughters = Holy crap you have to actually rely on me to make your point...man you're sad. Anyway, it's just over 6,400. Get your facts straight man. Oh and by the way the democrats were overwhelmingly for the invasion of Iraq. Wanna see the video evidence? Nah, you don't need any more embarrassment.

COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATISM = Yep

TORTURE = Pretty darn good interrogation tactics, not even close to torture...you want to see torture? Look at the way Sharia law is carried out in muslim country's. Look at the barbaric methods used against our soldiers in Vietnam, look at the radical muslims beheading Americans...go ahead, you can find that footage too...I'll wait. So don't even think that what we do as a nation to protect your sorry ass is anywhere close to torture. Those tactics also allowed barack to be able to make the call to have osama taken out. You can thank those heroes that you call "torturers" for that.

A MERCENARY CONTRACT ARMY
....tell us ALL again about how responsible & TRUTHY the GOP are ... = People that get paid and actually want to be at war. I would think you would love it because it keeps more of our military out of things. What part of that did anyone in government hide?

HELL the GOP told us that 3 different people won the IOWA Caucuses = The media is responsible for reporting results...it's got nothing to do with the GOP...God you're simple.

and Michigan told us 2 won = See above

hows's that for BOLD FACED LYING ! = IT'S NOT! How is that for acting like you need to wear hockey gear when you go outside. The accusations of these being truths are a bold faced lie by you! Hell I can even come up with some legitimate lies that were told in the past by the GOP and I'm on their side. DUDE!!!!! AAAAHHHH! You need to learn to think a little before posting.

You LIBERAL people & YOUR JACK-ASS (to the moderator...that means "donkey")PARTY

are a National disgrace & a GLOBAL JOKE = Global Joke? Have you seen the ads in Japan with the mockery of barack at the podium? We're a national disgrace huh? One things for sure; if I had hired you to defend a liberal position for me I would have certainly fired you by now, why? because when it comes to representing the liberal viewpoint...you are a disgrace, and when it comes to your reasoning...yep, also a disgrace. (with all due respect of course, wink wink to the moderator).

I'm a democrat who is voting GOP!!!

David - You were never a Democrat and I bet you voted for Reagan twice and voted for Bush JR. twice so fess up

Reading all of your posts tells me you are a dyed in the wool Republican

If it walks and talks like a duck etc.

I agree that the independent vote will make or break the election for these candidates.

All they have to do is answer one question, "Am I better off now than 3 years ago?".

Independents aren't stupid.

Obama is toast. He can't run on his record. Once the ACA gets dumped what has he got?

John-Independents are asking-how crazy is this Paul Ryan and his budget that takes from the poor and needy and gives to the rich and corporations, these same Republicans in Wisconsin have backed failed Gov. Scott Walker and his law to pay women less than men and take away the right to negotiate, Independents are asking-Why would I vote for the Republicans when Virginia R's invade the privacy of my mother or sister or aunt or lover with vaginal probes, they are asking about Republican Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona and her laws against reproductive rights and immigrants, Independents are asking about Mitt and his "corporations are people, my friend" and his tax dodging celebrate the rich mentality-yes John Independents are asking and Republicans are replying with all the wrong answers. See you in november.

I am one of those independants and a 24 year vetran.

Its a disgrace to see what this aministration has done to this country and i dont understand how BHO is getting away with it.

The U.S. was formed over 235 years ago asa self governing body copletely differennt that anything in the world- It was this idea the land of opportunity, freedom, and will to prosper that people flocked from all parts of the world be part of it.

After reading these posts I wonder why any of you want to go bakwards to failed and catastrophic results.

Soviet Union,France,Spain,Portugal,Ireland,Great Britian,Greece and many other societys have fallen by the way of SOCIALISM.

So i dont understand why many of you are supporting this FOURTH REICH ADMINISTRATION who has disrespected our constitution and the justice department.

AMERICA was founded on capitalistic free society ideas not over- reaching socialist government control.

Our free society from government control is what made us great and prosperous and is why every great modern invention came from this great land.

The !% is a false rhetoric made up by the SOCIALIST- The fact is each and every one of us have the freedom and right to think and create and the opportunity to prosper as well.

All we have to do is have the will to do it ARE telling me that SOCIALIST ideas have destroyed your will and spirit to the point that you want to rely on the government instead of your own free will

Yeah, tell the college students, go to school, take on huge debt and when you get out you will get a good job.

53% of 2011 graduates could not get work. Of those who did get a job, most had to take jobs outside their field of study for $20,000 - $30,000 per year to try to pay student loan debt ranging from $50,000 - $150,000.

People, wake up, the bottom line is get people in office who will let business perform instead of taking what some non-business oriented people think is more than business deserves.

If you want real improvement by the end of fiscal 2014, change the majority occupants of the Senate and the White House in November.

DB-we need to change the majority in the House and definitely get rid of as many Tea Party members as possible. They do not grasp the concept of representative government. They are at best "one trick ponies" who embrace the Grover pledge and nothing else. Improvement is coming, slowly but these obstructionalists in the House are holding up the progress of the whole country. Dump the tea for prosperity.

Apparently, Obama is the one who does not understand representative government ! He does not truly attempt to work with Congress, he runs directly to the American people trying to stir them up to pressure their elected representatives into doing what he (Obama) demands !

Besides genius, it is Harry Reid who will not bring up Obama's ridiculous budget proposal for a vote. It is Harry Reid who has OBSTRUCTED a dozen pieces of legislation passed by the House .... from being presented to the Senate for consideration !

The Tea Party simply wants to control Government gone wild ! Democrats want to grow that wildness and irresponsibility to expand it !!

The "tea" party is nothing more than a bunch of hateful, ill-informed, racist evangelicals. There is not one single thing the elected freaks nor the nasty, lying people posting here have done that would prove otherwise.

Teabaggers are the minority of the minority and can only throw little tantrums when they are faced with the reality that they are completely irrelevant in an intelligent world.

Shockedanddisgusted,

One merely has to read your post to see the real source for hateful, venomous and inflammatory comments ....... IT IS YOU !!!! Hypocrite much ???

I mean really, if a rattlesnake was to bite you, my guess is the poor snake would die first.

Is that all you have jim? Obviously it's impossible for you to prove that the "tea" party is nothing more than an evangelical movement, so you make your strange little rattlesnake comment...

"I know you are but what am I?" seems to be the only argument the teabaggers have for anything anymore. Very smart...

(I never realized hypocrite was a verb....I guess that's why our 6th grade public school teachers not only made us spell the words, but also made us use them in a sentence...Those horrible socialist teachers...)

Obama can not even quote correctly. He did not use "own word against them."

I cannot believe student loans are an issue. If you don't want to pay them back, fine. Give your education back. It is not yours.

I'm thinking of getting into the business of repossessing educations.

John-move to Montana instead and raise a crop of dental floss. That makes as much sense.

realist...

'...gonna be a dental floss tycoon.'

Zappalicious !

S. Capps

I cannot believe student loans are an issue. If you don't want to pay them back, fine. Give your education back. It is not yours.

They are talking about keepeing the interest rates low NOT wiping the slates clean. What is the problem with keeping the rates down?

Obama is a liar, Bush was a liar, all of congress and the senate are liars, the American government is run on you scratch mine and I will scratch yours and in the end only they will win. You agree to let me build a bridge and I will let you build one and in the end the rich contractors will give a lot of money to both of us. Sadly this cannot be fixed and we the people who pay taxes lose.

Good --General Eelectric made 20 Billions in profit the last three years and received 3.7 Billion in our tax dollars while paying no taxes. Let us stop this Socialist/Marxist aid to corporations.

Steven B, nothing of what you said has anything to do with what this article is referring to. They are talking about keeping student loan interest rates low.

Has anyone said anything about not paying the loans?

GCAL: And this is relevant to the topic at hand exactly how???

H.R.2669 College Cost Reduction and Access Act

Title II: Student Loan Benefits, Terms, and Conditions - (Sec. 201) Phases-in cuts in the interest rate charged undergraduate student borrowers under the Federal Family Education Loan (FFEL) and Direct Loan (DL) programs, thereby reducing such rate from 6.8% in July 2006 to 3.4% in July 2011.

7/20/2007 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Yea-Nay Vote. 78 - 18. Record Vote Number: 272 - Obama (D-IL), Not Voting

9/7/2007 Conference report agreed to in Senate: Senate agreed to conference report by Yea-Nay Vote. 79 - 12. Record Vote Number: 326 - Obama (D-IL), Not Voting

Yep. The failure of leadership starts with John Boehner of Ohio and runs through to Mitch McConnell foir blocking all ideas that the administration had to get us out of debt and improve our economy.

LL

And Ozzie, you are relevant......how? Also, the article is about Obama using the republicans own words........so Obama's words past and present are different...HOW?

DEV: No, that hideous, old skank isn't running for POTUS. But Willard the Weathervane is and he supports her ideas. That is, he supports them until he does a 180 reversal on them which he's already started to do.

Nice mouth Ozzie. But what else could we expect from a liberal.

DEV: Yea, what can you expect from a Liberal. As if all the Far Right nutcases on here don't say positively vile things about Michele Obama, right???

I think I was rather gentle with that vile excuse for a human being. Screw the average American give all the gravy to the uber rich. Actually, I think we should revise our tax laws so that if you make a million or more, you won't have to pay any taxes. We'll balance the budget on the backs of the poor, the elderly and the disabled. I'm sure Jesus would approve of it.

I thought Ozzie was better than resorting to low life name calling. But I guess he is just like a typical liberal........name calling are their only defense.

CAL: Boo Hoo for you buddy.

CAL; You really going to make me list every one of Willard's flip flops? I'd be here all night. He's already, one day after essentially winning the primaries, tacking back to the center on things he said. This guy is pathetic. ALL politicians do it. Yes, Obama has done it, but this guy is shameless the way he panders.

Devdoc12able

Nice mouth Ozzie. But what else could we expect from a liberal.

Ever listen to Russian Limberger??? The king of foulmoth? The fat ba$tard druggie that called Sandra Fluke a slut and a whore? Do you really want to talk about foul mouths? Go look in the mirror...tell me you don't like the fat, hate-mongering bastard.

you are right.foxx is not running for president.but they and their cronies are trying to figure out how to either steal the election or how to have the koch brothers and rove buy the election for the republican party.that wat they can continue to ruin the lives of the working poor and middle class.

they always say they want a birth certificate of live birth.but,mitt says corporations are people.ya,people without certificates of live birth. mitt wants to raise the taxes on the working poor while lowering the taxes on the uber rich so that the poor can pay for the wars.not only with their money but also with their young. the rich hide their young and let the poor fight the wars and die.

Again Thomas nice mouth buddy. But as another liberal what can we expect but name calling and foul language??

Again Thomas nice mouth. But as another liberal what can we expect but name calling and foul language??

you can expect me to call a spade a spade and not back down from reactionary teabaggers who don't reserve their foul moths for people who deserve it. Limbaugh is a cheap, drug addict POS. That is pretty well fact. Furthermore, a liberal with a foul mouth is a much finer piece of God's work than a teabagger who never swears but doesn't give a damn about his fellow man and hates anyone not his skin color. Foul mouth indeed. I'm quite sure that most of the 'baggers could give the rest of us a lesson there. Not to ever suggest that for one minute I could compare to Jesus, but even He- a perfect man, finally got his fill of the self-righteous Pharisees, the conservatives of their day, and in the 23rd Chapter of Matthew, he had some very unflattering things to say to them, your forerunners. They also were rich and hated the common man.

Who gives a rat's butt about your "Russian Limberger" or whatever goofy name you want to give him. "Baggers"..."hate mongering bastard"...charges of racism...and of course, anyone who disagrees with you "doesn't give a damn about his fellow man".

That's 'debate' ??? Yecccchhhhhhh.

No they aren't Obama the proven liar is you dimwit!

GCCal and KO: Were you home schooled? Are you actually attempting to post as intelligent humans with grammar like that?

My guess is that you are actually democrats posting here to support the case that teabaggers are completely illiterate and ignorant. Good job! I'm convinced! Keep up the good work!

So you have fallen for the Obama plan to divide America and pit one American against another.

DEV: That's right. If the middle class doesn't lie down and play dead to the super riches further grasping of wealth and power in this country, you call it "Class warfare".

Funny though, when the Right constantly demagogues, demonizes and minimalizes the plight of the poor, that's somehow alright with your crowd.

No conservatives don't "demagogue the poor" they want them all to increase their holding. It is the Democrats who want to keep the poor poor. So they are dependant on the government. This way the power hungry Democrats can keep a voting base, because no one with any sense would vote for the entitlement, welfare check party.

Dev-so that's why republicans keep proposing that the 51% who don't make any money pay some income tax and the rich and corporations get more and bigger tax cuts. That will help the poor increase their holdings? Holding your coat at the door. Holding their breath at the end of the month to pay bills and buy food. Republicans don't want to keep the poor poor they want to own them or at least rent them cheaply. Conservatives for the poor is like saying Rush limbaugh supports N.O.W.-it's that crazy.

Although I agree, there are too many words for the liberals to comprehend.

GROUNDED: You don't actually think anyone is going to actually read this steaming pile of horse@!$%#, do you?? One pargraph was more than suffient to convince me that you are sadly delusional. Where's the part about Obama wanting to turn us into a Marxist state and institute Sharia law? Guess I'd have to read further to find the real juicy stuff.

My advice, stop sniffing glue, your mind is melting.

Yea maybe so but they can take their time reading--do you know what a marxist is - it was his class mate that said this

Grounded, no it was not a classmate that said it. They never knew each other, never took the same classes and never met accidentally. You might want to do some further checking. The only thing they have in common is that they both attended Columbia. That's it. They were in no way classmates.

verno - Doesn't grounded sound like "the Swift Boat Team" who never served with John Kerry yet went out to defame a war hero

Sorry grounded your BS has been done before - right out of the Karl Rove handbook - take a person's strength and turn it into a weakness, but nice try not very creative - I guess we can all take one of my classmates and have them say -

darn that women sat in Bill Ayres meetings and is a marxist - because after all she did go to U of C same time he was there and everyone knows if your on a campus of thousands of students you are guilty by association

Actually I did sit in one of his meetings then went to my job and then home to raise my three children, but I must be a marxist

Crawl back into the woodwork with your termite friends grounded - they miss you

CUT & PASTE is the limit of some peoples abilities...

we can all thank God this person has not discovered SPRAY PAINT

You quoted glenn beck-automatic tinfoil hat alert. Look out the window-the black helicopters are coming. Keep posting-us lefties and Independents like to read and this kind of paranoia increases our desire to not elect conservatives and nitwits-like you.

grounded,

wtf, conspiracy theories live on. Dont forget Obama's gonna get your guns, destroy religion. Your rant is just crazy.

You posted an article from Wayne Allyn Root? You're kidding, right? Root is the Libertarian Party's version of Rush Limbaugh. I've read some of his essays, and based on what I've seen, I consider him to be a less than credible source of information.

Mr Fids: I believe the person has actually discovered spray paint. Let's just pray that they do not realize that it can be used for anything other than "good huffin'"!!

Wow, thanks for that link devdoc....I wonder what crap Ozzie will say about Obama's flip flopping. I can only imagine he will resort to name calling.

GCCal and Dev-that's all you've got? Repeating a non vote? You couldn't get better talking points? Be negative like Mitt and maybe some day you will have a car elevator for your many Cadillacs. Let's talk about Mitt. He is for holding the rate on student loans (with Rubio on stage this week) and he is against the very loans and grants with the Romney/Ryan budget. Flip Flop. Shake that etch-a-sketch. I can't even wait for next week-Mitt will be for whatever President Obama says and his primary campaign videos will show the exact opposite. I guess I can see why you don't want to talk about Mitt-it's too late, now-Mitt is your candidate.

Dev-many are still here and we want to talk about Mitt and celebrate his wealth and importance. We want to bow down to his excellent corporate plastic personality and join you in the wet dream of great wealth (that you will never see) and personal power. Not really, but you guys really are a hoot!!!!

Jim,

The time limit for the lower rates was set by the Democrats, why don't you ask them why they even set an expiration date.

Here is President Obama's website, it goes into great detail on taxes.

http://www.barackobama.com/record/taxes?source=issues-nav

Devdoc12able. If you read the article, Obama help craft the bill. He knew it was going to pass without his vote. He was busy running for election at the time. Notice I said he help craft and push the bill?? So quit with your attempted spin.

Right but he had to play basketball and could find time to vote for it. Seems like he really cares.

Verno that makes sense to liberals I guess, because if I crafted a bill and pushed for it I would make sure to miss the vote to pass it. Makes perfect sense if you are a liberal I guess.??????

you mean like bush did during the wars?

first he said he gave up golf then went on to play golf and had the news org.film it.

atta boy george. if you are a repub you can play golf.if you are a democrat you are not allowed.

go figure.

What does it say about a representative that is afraid to vote for a bill he helped craft and pushed according verno?

If he's not even willing to vote for a bill he supported why should anyone trust him in anything he says he believes in?

GOP fools: you KNOW that you have NEVER checked the NUMBERS YOURSELF...

and the penalty for your stupidity is that someone bigger than me is going to discover the same thing I did.....

GOP POTUS Golfing is more than 2.5 times that of ALL others combined!!

How you gonna lied your way out of that

or teleprompters (Beck)

or Birth Certificate ( Tatez)

or all the other lies that OTHERS put into YOUR HEAD

and THEY got PAID TO DO IT , did you get paid to swallow it ?

Dev-Did Obama miss a vote? Can someone help Dev with info on a missed vote? GCCal can you work in conjunction with Dev to help make a mountain out of a molehill? Thanks, I knew that you could.

Obama 2012! 4 more years of blaming Bush! Excuses!

@ JJ-Johnny-Romney 2012 continue on the crash course started by Bush. Tax cuts for the rich, spend trillions on unnessary wars, goble up as many hard working american pensions and jobs as possible with no concern for middle class american citizen (Bain Capital style) and dregulate the lenders to both the commercial and residential construction markets.

Bush had his eight years and now were in a resession how is that so easy for you to forget?

Obama has had three and a half years to fix the resession left by eight years of complete govermental mayhem and since the republican piss mess isn't getting cleaned up as fast as you jokers would like, you want to throw GWB's clone into office for another nose dive.

Sorry bud, but I give blame to where blame is due. He could blame Bush for 50 more years and I still wouldn't be satsified. If there is any reason why he shouldn't be blaming Bush please fill me in, but until then while you call them excuses, everyone else in the world with half a brain will call them facts.

WHAT I HATE:

GOP-Tea Party male cheerleaders who ORDER ME to

"check it out dont take my word for it"

IF you weren't telling an outright LIE..

YOU would & COULD provide the linkage proof necessary to substantiate your assertion .

Lacking that small effort, you are pounding sand & telling yourself that you are making a difference .

You're a waste of bandwidth & very few bytes .

Grounded-what young people think of when they think of republicans is Iraq and their dead and wounded friends and relatives. They think about the Ryan budget and the end of pell Grants and other student aid. They also think about ron paul if they're conservatives because Mitt is that bad of candidate.

Or they think, How much of my earnings will I be able to keep? Will a dollar buy anything? Will this debt be the end of of a great country? Will I be able to have a family and raise kids that can live the American dream? Or is that dream lost forever?

If your comment made sense of was intelligent I would have made an effort to respond to your lame comment.

Dev,

Based on your response, I would say my post was right on...

Lay off the crack pipe and post tomorrow...

Projecting YOUR recreational habits

on the lives of others

is as smart & your veiled admission of usage .

WE are NOT as DUMB as YOU THINK WE ARE or

AS DUMB AS YOU

WE are NOT as DUMB as YOU THINK WE ARE or

AS DUMB AS YOU

Turn up your VOLUME if reading it twice has no effect .

I'm beginning to think that any poster on this vine that uses the word "patriot" in their moniker is NOT.

Likely TeaNut or religious moonbat. You've seen the bumper stickers!

Checkered Demon,

This is on President Obama's website. Do you personally think that he will be able to keep this promise?

That's why President Obama proposed the Buffett Rule, asking millionaires and billionaires to do their fair share. But if you're one of the 98 percent of American families who make under $250,000 a year, your taxes won’t go up.

The mask is off. May 1st the fun begins. That is when the Democrats start the peaceful riots again.

Aunt Anna - thank god you're not my aunts - they were smarter than you - also they wouldn't have hid behind a ridiculous name but have been proud to give their real names

Unlike all the ridiculous names on this site

Mistake this newsvine did was to allow people to use stupid handles - should post your real names so your neighbors would know what you really think

What cowards not to really declare yourselves but hide behind your masks of anonimity - feel better?

Yes - I'm Darth Vader - or Avenging Angel - or Miss Crumpett - maybe Tri Fold Hat - then again I could be Alice in Wonderland - who wants to respond to a person who is ashamed of their god given name?

I'm through - you people can hide all you want - but it's like responding to an earthworm!

Patriotson, it is understandable you are terrified of kids getting educated without being fleeced by the banks on student loans. Why, if they get so smart, they will demand higher wages, God forbid. But keep in mind that letting them get a degree can be profitable for the rich. See, all those H1B visa engineers and computer gurus that US corporations need to run their business, got their education in free public universities in China and India. Socialism can actually help the rich by providing a large supply of skilled labor, so think about that before you bash it...

If you are quoting tea party members of congress, stop. They really don't count and I wonder if they can read, well. Grover pledge-deficit-grover pledge-deficit-no new taxes-no new taxes-grover pledge-no-no-no-no-grover pledge.

Obama panders to the sheeple. His stock and trade has gone from hope and change to blame and shame. He acts as though he thinks he is Seinfeld - always mocking people to get the sheeple to believe his BS. Pure and simple, he is nothing more than a jerk. A true leader would run on his/her accomplishments but he does not really have any.

He is sure to go down in history as the president who did the most damage to the US. I hope that during the run up to the election, Obama overexposes himself and get seen for the 2 faced liar he is.

Yes, I hope Obama "overexposes himself and get seen (grammar!) for the 2 faced liar he is." At least he'd be keeping pace with Romney!