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IOWA CITY, Iowa -- President Obama appeared at his third "official event" in two days on Wednesday to promote extending student loan relief at an event that had the feel more of a campaign rally.
At the University of Iowa, the president voiced a message before a crowd of more than 4,000 centered on urging Congress to prevent the doubling of government-backed student loan interest rates in July.
"This is where I really need you guys, Congress needs to act right now to prevent interest rates on federal student loans from shooting up and shaking you down," Obama said to applause, imploring the students to turn up the heat on lawmakers.
Carolyn Kaster / AP
President Barack Obama speaks at the University of Iowa April 25 in Iowa City, Iowa.
But the impasse on Capitol Hill doesn't stem from a debate over whether to maintain the current interest rate, but rather, how to pay for it. Extending the current interest rate for another year will cost about $6 billion, according to a White House aide. But the White House stresses they're committed to extending the rate without adding to the deficit.
President Obama speaks to thousands of people at the University of Iowa Fieldhouse as part of a weeklong push to renew a student loan measure.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) introduced a bill on Wednesday to continue the lower interest rate, which the President said was "good news." However, the bill is financed by closing a payroll tax loophole for a certain type of business, something Republicans may not support.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell was dismissive of Reid's bill, as well as the president's college tour.
"If the president was more interested in solving this problem than in hearing the sound of his own voice or the applause of college students, all he'd have to do is pick up the phone and work it out with congress. We don't want the interest rates on these loans to double in this economy," he said.
The Republican leader continued: "The only reason Democrats proposed this solution to the problem is to get Republicans to oppose it and make us cast a vote they think will make us look bad to voters they need to win in the next election."
But Obama pushed back at Congress with his own snarky rhetoric, saying that if Republicans think he's talking about student loans to distract from the economy then, "These guys don't get it. This is the economy...What economy are they talking about?"
According to the College Board, In 2010-11, 7.8 million undergraduate students took out subsidized Stafford loans to help pay for their college education. Many of them would see about $1,000 added, on average, to the cost of their loan over its lifetime if rates were to increase.
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GO get em Mr. President!
Of course they won't support it - can't cut the corporate welfare now can we?
Did I hear correctly, the Senate is not even going to bring this bill up for a vote until after another recess next week? WTF???
If this were in fact true Mitch, bring it up for a vote & PASS it! I realize your self-admitted priority is to do everything possible to keep the President serving one term.
At any cost...
The shameless panderer in chief, taking credit for every giveaway he can...
Trillions in debt, but nonetheless Obama will still play Santa Claus from now till November.
What group of Americans will he identify next week, to bribe?
Why would the President think that the Republicans in Congress would cooperate with him now when they have failed to do so for over 3 years?
This statement coming from Mitch McConnell---the same person whose stated principal goal has been the defeat of President Obama, regardless of the cost fo the country---shows a lot of "chitspa."
We as a nation have to vote out as many Republicans as possible.
HA! Nice try Bob who'll never be VP McDonnell, but it is Mitt Romney who panders. It won't work to pull a Rove and try to paint our President with the weakness that is all Mitt's.
Job1, and we intend to work had to do it, too!
G "NO" P
Bob In VA - you're advocating a chasm between the classes! When middle-class and poor students can no longer afford the tuition, only wealthy kids will go to college. With a poorly educated and trained workforce, more jobs will go overseas and with it, our economy. Your argument is about as short-sighted as they come.
Our President rocked the house today, last night and on Fallon. I loved it when he talked about bycth face Senate Minority leader McConnell.
Hey , turtle face McConnell, I agree with the President you don't get it.
Talking about student loans is not a distractration. I will be calling my representatives. If I knew how to tweet, I be a twitter warrior.
Shame on you turtle face McConnell. You are just t-o-ooooo slow. Go back to your slimy office and study how the economy works
An honest liberal does not exist. They complained endlessly, and still do about Bush spending and pandering. But Obama puts Bush to shame on those issues, and liberals give Obama a pass. How special. Well a liberal divided cannot stand, so if only the first one will jump off a cliff liberalism will end.
We as a nation need to vote out as many incumbents as possible. After all the very definition of insanity is sending the same people to Washington but expecting different results. We have had 3.5 years of total failure from Obama, and we cannot afford four more. So anyone but Obama in 2012.
Maybe they can pay for it by closing the loophole that let GE (obama's favorite doner) make 16 billion in profits and pay the same taxes as Bo the Dog (thats $ 0.00 for you math challenged)
The Prez pandering for votes among the student population. Yep, lower the interest rates that he created. Now the blame will be on Congress, read the Republicans, if the rates aren't lowered.
Good job there Mr. Pez in blaming others for your continued failures.
@Bev, I'm glad you know how to tweet.......can't do much more.
Let the interest rates go up, this is nothing but pandering for the college vote because the students think they might get something.
The Universities and Colleges can reduce their tuition and do away with some of the so called perks. Most Professors are way over paid for what they actually do. I see it might cost some students about $1000 a year, so maybe the students should cut a few "bong parties", drinking parties and trips during breaks.
When is Obama and the liberals going to get it, the US Government is BROKE. He cuts the social security tax by 2% then he lies to the people and extends all of the Bush tax cuts. He waste money on so called green energy, and now I see a company making batteries, with government money and support, is going under and has been sold to the Russia's.
Maybe if Obama wants to save money he should park his planes and cars and stay in Washinton. How many tax dollars is he wasting on these so called "policy trips" instead of paying for them out of his campaign fund.
I see Foolstie is once again carrying the banner for President Poverty Pimp as he panders for votes from the terminally indoctrinated mushed brained zombies that our colleges and universities are vomitting forth.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
"If this were in fact true Mitch, bring it up for a vote & PASS it! I realize your self-admitted priority is to do everything possible to keep the President serving one term."
Shill from Il......there are a whole bunch of us "intelligent thinking people" who want that very same thing. Next time you speak to the prez ask him why did he sign a law - quietly - that inhibits our FREE SPEECH rights!
This Bill that the president says "shakes down" college students was written by ....Democrats. Funny how there is no mention of that in the article.
wty ... the latest gem from this administartion they are trying to do is make it illegal for rural farm kids to do chores around the farm. I'm not joking! Under the guise of child labor laws. LOL Next will be they aren't allowed to do dishes. There is nothing they aren't trying to control through govt force.
BigATC
you forgot to mention the law he recently signed that basically makes it a felony for ANYONE to protest him in his presence....oh that's right you may not have heard because he just signed it quietly without any media fanfare!
Hmmm... I haven't heard of that - I'm sure you have a source to back it up... right?
Thanks in advance for your cooperation!
wtfjes66,
Just as I suspected - YOU got nothing! lol
Was my question to difficult for you?
Let me put it in the simplest terms even you can understand - PROOF PLEASE!
Save your wild eyed - spittle flying delusions for your 'base' - the rest of America isn't picking up what you are laying down...
Are we clear?
Fiesty it is HR 347
I can't believe Congress passed this and the President signed it. Gives the secret service the right to arrest people at their discretion for protesting him, AND anyone he designates secret service protection to.
So much for "congress shall pass no law to inhibit free speech ......."
Damn fiesty, you ask a guy a question and he hasn't answered in 5 minutes and go off on some diatride about delusional spittle for his base???? Really??? And talk down to him like he was a 3 year old. You really expect to do chilish over the top things like that and expect anyone to remotely give you any credibility? WOW.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
unlike the delusioned people you associate with I do not need to lie to make a point. Just like most dimwits you are quick to judge and never a
I have tried to post the link twice and it hasn't appeared:
www.youtube.com/watchpopup?v=7SGWH3kirzg&vq=medium
It is Bill: HR 347 - if the link doesn't work again you can just look it up yourself - if you know how. Am I clear Shill! Your words don't mean a thing to meme and your idiocy simply amazes me.
Hmmm... just as I suspected - your link does not work! lol
As for HR 347 - I will have to read it, but, the question remains, how did it pass the house of teabaggers?
Sweet numbnuts!
I just chewed YOU up for dinner & spit out the parts which were rancid - by all means, please continue on, I have not had this much fun in ages!
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Wow, you are just so typical, even when confronted you refuse to believe...of course I should have realized with your posts you are not anywhere near an intellectual you're just a party-line zombie - good luck with that. When all else fails just resort to stupid remarks meant to intimidate - won't work moron. Come up with something original - or just try thinking for a change. I can believe it about you not having any fun - better leave now your broom is double parked! hahahaha
You claim to have chewed this person up Fiesty? Seriously? That just astounds me. You were 100% WRONG in your allegations he was making this up. I had never heard of this when he mentioned it. I found the Bill, content and vote results in just a few minutes.
Republicans and Dems alike should be taken to the woodshed on this. No wonder we didn't hear of it. All the house Dems voted for it and most of the R's voted for it. I just can't even remotely understand why.
BigATC
I've always known that we are being worked from both sides of the isle. This bill is just one more confirmation of that fact....people that just won't see what's happening to our American just amaze me with their lack of vision to the hidden agenda our govmt. leaders have going on, I would almost call it a conspiracy but I still find myself wanting to believe. But people like - and I call her the SHILL from IL - Feisty are the reason our politicians get away with what they do.
Usually the politically ideology from either side shines like a bright light in the bills. This is the first time i have ever seen a bill following politics since the 80's that i have absolutely no idea of its purpose. Why would we give the secret service, AT THEIR DISCRETION, the right to arrest someone protesting the prez? And a felony at that. We already have laws on the book if they deem someone to be threatening.
YADA YADA YADA - either back up your assertion or STFU!
All of your obfuscating doesn't change a thing - you made a claim & NOW is the time to back it up...
Until then we will take both of YOU clowns at face value! lol
You can run - but YOU cannot hide!
Feisty doesn't refuse to believe she just doesn't care... gotta keep that EBT comin! I doesn't make a difference how much it costs YOU! It's OK if the president signs the Patriot act, HR347, NDAA, it's all good as long as the freebees Keep rollin in!
Feisty - the SHILL from IL
You just need to go somewhere you are wanted - if there is such a place. In the mean time I've spent too much time trying to educate someone who is refuses to learn, choosing instead to wallow in their own ignorance - I sincerely wish you a happy life, because you're going to need it once obama gets through with you......NOW JUST GO AWAY!
Went longer than i thought before she started calling me names (clown) LOL
Funny, wanted proof of the Bill. Number of bill is given. Then she says, now back up your assertion??? HUH? I agree with wtf ..... just go away.
Big ATC look up the NDAA on youtube it's way worse than HR347. They are trying to pass another SOPA internet bill. CISPA is the new SOPA. BTW name calling is pretty much all Feisty has to fight with. It's incredible how often she gets into a battle of wits unarmed.
NDAA is vague and broadly written and also a terrible bill. Not sure i even recognize this country much anymore. The govt, as my grandad used to say, is getting to big for its britches.
\And this person believes that Republicans are not civil in their speech? What trash from a bimbo.
I am glad that the President has found another opportunity to leave Washington. It has been such a long time since he has had a chance to leave town. I hope that the President enjoys this little vacation. I hope that his secret services does not get themselves into trouble in Iowa.
Another 6 billion dollars may not sound like much, but because our deficits are already so high the government will end up having to borrow even more money to cover this. Furthermore, because the federal government is already more than 15 trillion dollars in debt, I estimate that this will end up costing the tax payers 54 billion dollars to repay before if is all paid back in 170 years. Where does it end? The President promised the American people that the 2012 federal deficit will not exceed 229.27 billion dollars, yet the White House is predicting that the deficit will exceed 1.3 trillion dollars which is more than 5 times what the President promised. The President has not told that American people that he is not going to keep his promise so I want him to explain how he is going to pull it of. The President made the promise without conditions so it is not dependent on any action of congress nor the economy. The President has been making speeches all over the place and has had plenty of opportunity to provide this crucial explanation to the American people. I also want the President to provide a plan for the federal government to pay back all of the money that it owes. I want to know how long it is going to take and how much is it going to end up costing the tax payers.
Obozo is just trying to buy student votes.
I guess you have to know a bit about history to recognize the tools of a dictator and identify the sheep. Freaky Red leads the way ... baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaa. (Real history. You remember facts? Not the ideological rewrite.)
BO doesn't really want to be President of the US anyway. He's just practicing, using this country as a stepping stone to the GLOBAL stage. He and Hillary have been paving the way using the UN, NATO, G8, G20, the IMF (Christine Lagarde - insiders, always insiders), the world bank (Jim Yong Kim), the Arab "spring", upsetting the balance of power in other countries with drone strikes, militarization (not the 'boots on the ground' kind but militarization just the same), etc. Then he can do some real damage. These people are ruthless. The epitome of selfishness and greed. Giddy with power. What good will your vote be then?
This just in from short sighted Ursula:
Doubling the rate would increase the amount paid over the lifetime of the loan by $1000 on average? A grand over 20 or 30 years? That's less than $4 a month.
Wow... the entitlement culture grows bolder every day. Do these students realize they will have a college degree as a result of these loans? And that degree gives them earning power for a lifetime?
I hope Obama comes down with terminal laryngitis, because we cannot afford his speeches to the weak minded.
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On a separate note, where is the Liberal outrage over Big Technology making extreme profits?
Apple reports $12 B profit in first quarter 2012. They took R&D tax credits (subsidies from the American taxpayer). Apple employs about 40,000 in the USA mostly in its stores, but employs 700,000 in its factories in China. Where's the outrage?
vote for an American President in 2012!!!!!
ANYBODY BUT OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!!!!
AMERICA IS DEPENDING ON US.
The student loan stuff that's the focal point of Obama's speeches that he's making to youth wherever he goes is legislation the Democrats wrote but he won't tell you that! He talked about it a lot yesterday. The interest rate increase is coming up for a vote on July 1st because the Democrat-controlled Congress in 2007 wanted it that way. Obama is running around scaring these students who don't know the facts or the truth behind this, that if something isn't done by the Congress, by July 1st, their student loan interest rate will double.
The Democrats controlled both houses of Congress in 2007. They had just won the election. The House, they took it back in 2006. Pelosi's running the House; Democrats are running the Senate. So 2007 they passed legislation that would cut the student loan interest rate in half and then reinstituted it July 1st this year, on purpose. They wanted the college student loan interest rate to double in an election year, in the summer right before the conventions. They were rolling the dice.
So that it would appear to be doubling to students this year, the Democrats did all of this. They did it to have a campaign issue in case they needed it in 2012. July 1st. So five years ago they planned this. Obama was a Senator in 2007, and he didn't even vote on this bill. Twice! There were two votes on raising the college loan interest rate back to what it will be -- doubling it, in effect -- on July 1st, 2012. He didn't even vote "present." He was too busy campaigning. That's how vitally important the issue of student loan interest rates was to him back then.
Maybe if we let the rates go up, we would have more money to borrow to future students?!
Feisty is a closet teabagger.
honest...
Great factual post...get ready for the light-witted to demand "links" from you or you'll be told you are absolutely wrong on each point.
Typical.
How about this for a question.
Should our federal government with who ever is president have the power to tell a state to remove something that a private citizen paid for?
http://www.bollywoodtorrents.me/threads/305792-Funny-Obama-signs-find-near-Chehalis-Washington
Remember similiar signs were used when bush was in office.
Fiesty,
here is your link
http://www.inquisitr.com/206017/president-obama-signs-anti-protest-bill-h-r-347/
the proof you wanted.
It has a very nice picture of President Obama.
very come and relaxed.
Oh by the way this is why I am asking.
The
federal government is now petitioning to have these signs removed or
Washington state will be denied additional monies for interstate
highways.
Sounds like a bully tactic to me!
As usual, the Fool from Ill resorts to name calling and character assaination when confronted with a truth she can't defend. I do feel sorry for her. It must get real tiresome trying to support and defend the actions and lies of her two-faced, narcissistic, messiah, Barak. Maybe she is terrified that if Obama isn't president, she won't get her welfare and food stamps.
Hey Fool from Ill, try prying yourself off the presidential staff, get your head out of Barak's oval oriface, and let some oxygen return to your brain. The obvious fact that you either don't know what your messiah is doing or your too brainwashed to care speaks volumes toward your lack of credibility. Stop listening and regurgitating the swill you are drinking from the Barak Goebells Obama Propaganda Machine. Try actually thinking for yourself. I know for you true belivers that is a tall order but give it a try anyway. You will find it refreshing and you might even learn to like it.
Those college students can email, tweet, scream all they want, but until they include a hefty donation with their request, Congress will continue to ignore them.
President Obama thinks Congress should pass a measure extending the current low interest rates on federal student loans.
On Monday, Mitt Romney announced that he agrees, NEXT.
Did you cut the deficit in half like you promised Mr. President?
“This is big,” wrote White House director of new media Macon Phillips in a February 23, 2009 blog post, ”The President today promised that by the end of his first term, he will cut in half the massive federal deficit we’ve inherited. And we’ll do it in a new way: honestly and candidly.”
Indeed, President Obama did make that promise that day, saying, “today I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we’ve long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay — and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.”
The 2013 budget the president submitted does not come close to meeting this promise of being reduced to $650 billion for fiscal year 2013.
NOBAMA2012, On The Job Training for the "Community Organizer" FAILED!
ssmithlg, interesting the way you quote the President from 2009, then refer to the situation today. You forget to mention all the infighting, congressional intransigence, blatant blocking by the Republicans and Tea Party that helped to shape the situation.
It's amazing how this prez can speak and so completely mesmerize the weak minded with his empty words - reminds me of another man who did the very same thing in the very same manner then took over an entire country and started WW II - his name was Adolf Hitler! You morons better be careful of what you are told, lead to believe and what you wish for!
Thats right and the president ignored them too until he figured out they were jumping ship.
Doubling the rate would increase the amount paid over the lifetime of the loan by $1000 on average? A grand over 20 or 30 years? That's less than $4 a month.
Wow... the entitlement culture grows bolder every day. Do these students realize they will have a college degree as a result of these loans? And that degree gives them earning power for a lifetime?
I hope Obama comes down with terminal laryngitis, because we cannot afford his speeches to the weak minded.
Isn’t it ironic? The food stamp program, part of the Department of
Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps
ever.
Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture,
asks us to "please do not feed the animals" because the animals may
grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.
Does Obama ever get his priorities straight?
Fielden,
Considering that most of the blatant blocking by the Tea Party members and Republicans had to do with even more spending. I do not understand your point? President Obama would be even further from his promise, not closer.
Senator Mitch McConnell famously said in 2009 that his #1 job was to make President Obama a one term President.
Today, we know his Republican colleagues in Congress all share that goal.
Senator McConnell and Republicans in Congress have been trying to destroy American jobs and the economy to help Mitt Romney become President.
We need to take a stand this election or Republicans and the billionaires funding Republican Super PACs will intentionally destroy the economy every time a Republican is not in charge.
Debbie-525743
Surprise, Super PAC's are working both sides, you are either not aware of it or you have your head in the sand! Don't be a party-line zombie...read and educate yourself, please.
And we know that the President's number one priority has been jobs, his own.
Kind of like happened when President Bush was in office.
Bob in Virginia-5210392..Typical Tea Bagger,Ditto Head Fox Lemming.
Welcome back to Iowa, Mr. President. Those students are fired up, ready to go. Great speech, too.
Last night on the local news, they interviewed a young U of I republican who said he just didn't know how the country could afford to pay for the lower interest rates. It seems conservatives teach their young fuzzy math at an early age. I found myself wondering why the reporter didn't ask if the young man realized it is interest rates, meaning extra money paid back to the government to borrow the original amount; the lower interest rate just means a lower return.
True. But you are forgetting the default rate that actually costs the tax payers. The break even point on student loans is about 6.8%. Why else would the administration have to raise taxes on "certain businesses" to pay for it?
So by your math theory, all banks loaning money for less that 6.8% aren't breaking even. They aren't raising taxes on businesses to pay for it. George W. Bush signed the law in 2007; republicans thought it was a great idea then, as usual, it's only a bad idea when our President is a democrat.
Obama is the one saying this bill is bad, as he said it "is shaking you down". Democrats wrote it and then Senator Obama voted for it. Bush signed it. If he thought it was a bill that would "shake down" college students then why did he vote for it?
No, (FACT) The break even point on STUDENT LOANS is 6.8%. Why you extrapolated that to any other type of loan is all on you Jody. So when you said in your OP that it won't cost us anything you were incorrect.
Sorry if that made you angry.
I didn't say we should not extend the rates, again another false assumption by you.
How old are you anyway? You act like you're in your teens or early 20s.
The Panderer In Chief has done it again. He's generous, perfect, and can do no wrong. Amazing! He really does have you libs fooled.
Praise be Obama!
No, republicans have you fooled and they're picking your pocket and putting it in theirs with every vote you cast for them.
Jody, Iowa
No, republicans have you fooled and they're picking your pocket and putting it in theirs with every vote you cast for them.
Tell him because he certainly can't see it.
Well Obama IS actually trying to fool them. He did nothing about htis when he had the chance now that the youth are abandoning him in droves he is making it look like he cares by following the agenda he ignored for 5 years.
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/04/as-senator-obama-missed-votes-on-student-loan-bill-121386.html
Pandering?
Ensuring that more students can afford to go to college, thereby increasing the intelligence and knowledge of the future workforce is pandering?
Wow!
Pandering for the youth vote. No? Wow! Blinded by the left.
Please tell me this is a joke!
A proposal from the Obama administration to prevent children from doing farm chores has drawn plenty of criticism from rural-district members of Congress. But now it’s attracting barbs from farm kids themselves.
The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child-labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.
It's not a joke to the young boy who was killed on his family farm two weeks ago because his shirt got caught in an auger which pulled him into the machine. It pertains to working around dangerous equipment just as in private industry.
We lose children on farms every year. PTO, augers, silos, the risks are immense. The young people are allowed to drive heavy equipment on the roads at too young an age. Not to mention that they can get "farm licenses" in this area at 14, and are all of a sudden driving to school and around the area, instead of obeying the restrictions of the license. This is a serious issue, and it is time that it is given a serious look. I can remember when a combine caught fire in a field near our house with a young 14-15 year old driving it.
Its about "Big Government" telling you how to run your life, the Socialistic way. There is therapy for you misinformed Lefties. Then there is the unfixable. They are the ones with the government education. Part of of the "Dumbmasses".
thetotas
Please tell me this is a joke!
Please get serious. You might learn something.
Wrong - it's kids working on other farms, not their own family's farm.
http://hudsonvalley.ynn.com/content/top_stories/581065/local-farmers-oppose-proposed-changes-to-child-labor-laws/
Should be all farms, Ursula.
Arizonatime
Its about "Big Government" telling you how to run your life, the Socialistic way. There is therapy for you misinformed Lefties. Then there is the unfixable. There the ones with the government education.
Then there is that Neo-Nazi time like you have with SB10 in Arizona
Yes we do. And other States will follow. And you will still be a lefty mooch at the end of the day, just like when you got up this morning.
Ursula,
The way the bill is currently written it DOES NOT exempt a child working at their own families farm. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75364.html
And it shouldn't.
Kids die on farms so the government wants to pass a law saying they can't do chores anymore. Maybe they will ban children from riding in cars or going outside also. How about banning kids from sleeping in their parents bed too. Please protect us from ourselves.
I have a friend who worked on his family farm and neighboring farms from the time he was 8 years old or so. All of the kids on the neighboring farms did too. Now these kids are grown and run the town. None of them went to college, but they all make great money and employ hundreds of people. By the way, their kids do chores on the farm too and they aren't going to stop.
This is from the US Department of Labor - not an opinion page...
http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/youthlabor/agriculturalemployment.htm
Parental exemption: Minors of any age may be employed by their parents at any time in any occupation on a farm owned or operated by his or her parent(s).
Answering Beverly from 7.4, NO JOKE, you are so hell bent against Fox News that you end up missing....... news.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/government_to_tell_farm_parents_what_chores_their_kids_can_perform.html#ixzz1t5kaH3qE
Ursula,
Obama is fighting hard to get that exemption removed. You watch. It will be removed just like the exemption for American citizens on the NDAA.
So they have to be 18.
I was going to say no one, but there always seem to be an example. It is terrible when a child dies due to an accident. How many children are acting effected? I tried to find how many children have lost their lives due to farming accidents. All I could find was that there is 23 deaths per 100,000 workers total.
there was also this,
So basically we should stop farming because we lose money paying for the injuries....
Here is the link.
http://www.publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/Agriculture.pdf
Odumbass, will tell you anything you want to here. just elect me for another 4 years, so I can really finish my job of mass destruction. This age age group is not buying your B.S. anymore B.O.
Obama. will tell you anything you want to here. These kids are not buying you B.S. B.O. , this time around. He wants another four years, to complete his job of mass destruction of the United States, that he and Moochelle has a dedain for.
And people like this wonder why we suspect that racism is that the core for their hatred for their President.
One must wonder what is in the water in Arizona.
No hated here? And all you lefties with lack of education play the race card. Just the facts Jack. Obama, is an experiment that has gone real bad. He is nothing more the a Markist raised hack.
newday, are you still patting yourself on the back for voting for a black man?
And there it is again: the only thing the right wing can see about this President, is the color of his skin!
I bet he looks like you, and that is the reason why you like him?
More racism from Arizonatime.
I was right.
newday...you are funny. You are the one who brought up race. We are just laughing at you. Was your family racist or something? Is that why you have the white guilt and feel so proud that you voted for Obama? I don't have the white guilt...my family isn't racist and we never owned anyone. I can't stand Obama because he's a leftist. I'd vote for a black conservative over a white liberal every single time.
Actually, your posts and poor Arizona's posts show the difficulty the "teabaggers" have with getting people to take them seriously.
Tribalism. Racism at its core.
But, the uneducated cannot understand why people read what they say and come to that conclusion.
Is that YOUR problem, N?
newday, Arizonatime and N Loves USA are anti-Socialist/Marxists.
YOU sir are obviously an idiot Obamabot.
Isn't it cute when people like ssmithlg uses really large words that he has no understanding of? And makes up others?
So what bothers you the most, that you can't debate ideas, or that you have a Democratic BLACK President?
newday
as I see it there was just one OR maybe two that might have mentioned the color of skin but in my estimation they said it just to get under your skin - looks like it worked. Incredibly typical of people on the left to take the words of one or two and then attribute that to the right as a whole group - your hyperbole and obfuscation are truly amazing - you deserve what obama is doing to you behind your back and in closed doors.
Arizonatime
Actually obama is not a Marxist....yet. He is a Utopian Socialist: His philosophy is an economic system based on the premise that if capital voluntarily surrendered its ownership of the means of production to the state or the workers, unemployment and poverty would be abolished. And the will of the people would but what it is deemed to be by the government.
Actually Obama is the racist that brings up the skin color issue. Can you imagine the uproar if a white Republican urged all the white people to get together and vote for him. (you will have to put www in youself)
youtube.com/watch?v=Nf0zK303hmU
We all know that he uses the race card very adeptly - it's because with his insufferable arrogance he believes we are all stupid. And his people just love him for it, which shows you how gullible they are. They are Party-Line Zombies waiting for the next handout that will keep them in poverty and ignorance because they don't know how to earn it for themselves! If Obama was a true leader he'd find a better way to give them a hand up instead of a hand out!
He we go with the liberal racism card. Don't agree with Obama must be a racist.
So funny: the right wing are so invested into excuses that they can't even be honest about what they do.
One or two, really wtfjes? Okay, here is where the rubber meets the road and the thing the righties hate most:
Source?
Why work on the farm and earn a living? You can become a lefty moocher parasite, living off some one elses hard earned dollar.
bleh bleh bleh...school loans. I went to college in my home state and graduated with no debt. I worked part time during the school year and full time in the summers. Kids are going off to college (having never worked in high school) and using these loans to pay for living expenses, go shopping and party. Its out of control. Kids who I graduated with were whining about 30k to 40k in student loans because they were careless with money and never worked. That was over 10 years ago.
Kids today are in the same situation, but the rates have went up quite a bit. These loans are so easy to get and nobody asks why the tuition is so high. When are the students going to start asking questions about where the money is going?
You know nothing about current costs of higher education, or how kids struggle to pay for school.
Poeple have been working, going to school and paying there school loans off for years. Nice try though. Builds Character, not characters. No free lunches in life lefty.
Do you think I didn't struggle to pay for school? I worked from the age of 16 and barely saved enough to cover the first year by the time I started. I worked the entire time and had to be extremely frugal. I worked so much in the summers that I barely did anything but work and sleep. My clothes came from the clearance rack at Walmart or the Goodwill store.
I do know the current costs of education. I check the pricing at four of my state's universities every year. My oldest child will go in 3 years.
Have you seen some of the crap they have at these institutions. Rock climbing walls, sushi bars, etc. They don't spend the money in the classrooms, they spend it on things that will entice students to attend. Thats the real problem.
yep...but there's plenty more wasted money on top of that. no different from the federal government. most of the degrees are simply a piece of paper to get you an interview. Its a shame that employers have bought into the idea that everyone needs to go to college. I've worked with too many worthless college grads to value a degree in an employee. I am more concerned with work experience. If they went to college, I want to know how it was paid for. A kid who partied on mom and dad's money for 4 years and never worked, is not the person I want to work with.
Then, I guess you won't be voting for Romney.
I can't see how you'd reach that conclusion. Of course I am voting for Romney.
Where did you say you went to college?
This stuff is so funny fielden, that you can't make it up!
@ N Loves
Very good points about college education. I've worked with several people that have a B.S., M.S. and you wouldn't know it. I don't have a degree and my boss told me that I was very smart for someone that doesn't have a degree. I guess he was trying to complement me. I started school this year because I lost my job after nine years. The job search has been slow so I figured it can't hurt to start classes. I just wish more employers would look at work history and not just a degree. I've been working my butt off since I was sixteen. I've applied for sixty jobs in three months and only had three interviews.
Hey Pres, let the corrupt corporates pay the loans! They get to reap the harvest of the gratuated students! Why in the hell shouldn't they pay? Doesn't that make sense! The corrupt corporates stole the 99% American People's pension and gave them THEIR INSURANCE POLICY that says if corporate goes broke so will we! Yet they can pay their CEO's phenominal bonuses! Let them GIVE BACK TO THE 99% Americans, THE SAME ONES that made them SUCCESSFUL! Enough is enough! IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE! And that time is NOW! Not later, BUT RIGHT NOW!!!
Vote STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC, the lives you save WILL be your OWN & your CHILDREN! And, if this Democratic Regime doesn't work for us, we, the 99%, will install a TRUE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT that WILL work for US!!!!
TR, I am sure that's next on his agenda. Enjoy your victimhood and the last months of Obama's presidency.
TR rose II
President Obama is spending $3,333.00 per person more than we are taking in. Just think of all the things that he could give away if we doubled that, no tripled that. I do not know about you, but with my humble income I already paid $9,000.00 in federal taxes last year. If I have to pay twice that, well I guess I could always live on my bike. I would say live in the car, but well I would have to sell that any ways.
Didn't Obama have the Government take over the student loan business back in 2010?
Just more pandering to the misinformed
President Obama thinks Congress should pass a measure extending the current low interest rates on federal student loans.
On Monday, Mitt Romney announced that he agrees. This is NOW A NON-ISSUE!
Did you cut the deficit in half like you promised Mr. President?
"This is big," wrote White House director of new media Macon Phillips in a February 23, 2009 blog post, "The President today promised that by the end of his first term, he will cut in half the massive federal deficit we've inherited. And we'll do it in a new way: honestly and candidly."
Indeed, President Obama did make that promise that day, saying, "today I'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we've long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay — and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."
The 2013 budget the president submitted does not come close to meeting this promise of being reduced to $650 billion for fiscal year 2013.
NOBAMA2012, On The Job Training for the "Community Organizer" FAILED!
Ssmithlg:
You make some excellent points. Two interesting parts on this. Hours after Romney said he supports keeping the interest rate lower for students, the liar in chief was on Jimmie Fallon's (sic?) show.
He said he is only the only one who cares about students. Either his political briefer's are not paying attention to the Romney campaign or he is lying out-right. Either way there is a problem.
The second issue on Obama's keeping the student loans at 3.4% is he wants to close a corporate payroll tax loophole to pay for it. The people in the "99%" are of course very happy that we want to stick it to the corporations. They do not realize that corporations do not pay taxes. Every time, we buy groceries, gas, software or any other good or service we pay an embedded tax that averages 22% as a part of that purchase. If the company sells overseas then that makes them 22% less competitive.
You are right on about the deficits remaining a major issue for Obama. The CBO is estimating them as being $800 billion to $1 trillion over each of the next 10 years. Instead of including closure of this payroll tax loophole and costing the consumers $6 billion to pay for the student debt, let us cut some Department of Education grants to local school boards for the $6 billion in savings.
Education is a local responsibility not a federal one. With the Dept of Ed spending $135 billion our graduation rates and test scores are lower than they were in 1970's before this cabinet department was created.
I said similar things on another Newsvine thread. The agreement has already been made that rates need to stay low but for whatever reason Obama still felt the need to campaign to college students.
What has happened to personal responsibility in this country? If you sign into a contract with specific terms then you are held responsible for those terms. Without those terms where are we?
No need to pay mortgage. No need to pay credit card. No need to pay taxes. No need to pay utilities. Where does it end?
Obama is playing to the young and ill-informed. Eventually they (the young) will inherit the country and realize that you don't get anything for free. Better we all learn this now rather than later.
If contract law means nothing - - good luck getting financed for any business adventure, car loan, school loan, etc etc. Who is going to provide the funds?
Lord help us if O is re-elected
This should be a hands down a total support by both parties. Yet somehow the repubs will oppose anything that this President does in order to attempt to make him look bad. Never mind us "We the People" and yes our students are included in their pathetic ploy. So you GOP/T-P right wing-nuts go right ahead and vote "No" and be against helping out our future. After all, you right wing nuts are anyway anti women, minorities, unions, the poor, immigration, the ill and the elderly. So you might as well be against the future ( These Students) as well. Because the quicker you all self destruct your political party. Or even better support Newt and build that "Moon Colony" and move there. The sooner this country can get back to justice and equality for all...
Go figure, then go vote...
Wow. Keeping the interest rates low on student loans is not saying that they don't have to be paid back.
Is that really difficult to take in?
Alex & newdayYAWNING, you need to update your information.............
President Obama thinks Congress should pass a measure extending the current low interest rates on federal student loans.
On Monday, Mitt Romney announced that he agrees. This is NOW A NON-ISSUE!
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Did you know that YOUR president promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term?
"This is big," wrote White House director of new media Macon Phillips in a February 23, 2009 blog post, "The President today promised that by the end of his first term, he will cut in half the massive federal deficit we've inherited. And we'll do it in a new way: honestly and candidly."
Indeed, President Obama did make that promise that day, saying, "today I'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we've long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay — and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control."
The 2013 budget the president submitted does not come close to meeting this promise of being reduced to $650 billion for fiscal year 2013.
NOBAMA2012, On The Job Training for the "Community Organizer" FAILED!
I could almost agree with you, however in this Preisdents defense. Never has a standing President been so disrespected by so many without any other reason other than his color and his fathers ancestry. Yet even now as the GOP's flag bearers Mormon ancestry is coming to the forefront. You hypocrytes haven't even mentioned one word about that. And how about Sen. M. McConnell first remark that his whole pupose is to see this administration fail, never mine "We the People". And that he is suppose to do what's best for all of us Americans, not just any certain party or group. So now these additives have to be accounted for. And that's why your statement about him and his promises are disqualified. Now you write to your elected representatives and not G. Nordquist (Yeah him included in the deal) and ask them to help this nation out of this economic $h!t-hole. BTW the previous GOP administration got us in. Then you might have some merit on your accusations...
Go figure, then go vote...
Bush's Fault! Check.
Race Card! Check.
Religous intolerance Check.
Of course, the "teabagger" House would have nothing to do with the current fix...
I spent a little more than five years attending the school of hard knocks before I learned that the world doesn't revolve around me , and a little less than two months attending the hopey changey re-education class before I learned that self serving political bs revolves around Obama .
I will vote for Romney and if the dead people in Chicago don't like it , they need to get a life .
Where's he going next? Nursing homes, high schools...he's running out of places to pander for votes. America is brimming with problems but this clown is out talking about student freakin' loans and making a complete jackwagon of himself on Fallon. At least nobody watches NBC anymore, except for Sunday night football. I have to keep laughing at this joke of a "leader," and his minion followers.
To sum it up:
Vote for me and I will take money from someone else and give it to you.
NOBAMA 2012
To sum it up, Vote for Romney for the further destruction of the middle class, and the nation.
History tells us that countries with the biggest disparity between rich and middle class have the biggest trouble surviving.
Patriots do not vote Republican.
New Day -Are you trying to tell us that Eisenhower voted for Stevenson ?
But newday, the richest of the rich that are widening that gap are democrats. Gates, Buffett, Ellison and many more. So we don't vote for the Republicans because the richest Democrats are widening the gap?
Destruction of the middle class?
Like what running up record deficits, instituting policies designed to drive energy costs through the roof to make "Green energy" competitive, raising taxes in a recession, spending billions on an unconstitutional health care scheme which did nothing to fix the problem and increased costs?
Destruction like that is exactly what Mitt Romney will stop.
So ok I will vote for him.
NOBAMA 2012
thinking long at least yopu offer somewhat of a good explaination others below you only preach there hate i give you credit for at least offering a decent all turnitive and let the voters decide the way it should be, i respect you for this
@ BigATC
Isn't it funny that some of the richest people in the US are Democrats? Liberals always complain about those rich Republicans.
Can you name the dirty Chicago politician who is trying to distract the American people away from the real issues by sucking up to students on loans, latinos, Russian adversaries, and others by trying divide the country? Who is the great orator who made all the wonderful promises about cutting the debt, providing hope and change, and giving you total transparency? Who is the silver tounge teleprompter genius and liberal professor who believes American should look like europe and has the arrogance and gall to tell another branch of our government how they should listen to him? Who is the elite individual who has close association with radicals like Bill Ayers, Van Jones, and Rev Wright? Can you guess? Who is the individual who has taken America back to the days of more homeless, more food stamps, more division in our country, and no jobs? Will the real loser please stand up!
you are a pathetic excuse why cant you make your points without these extremist all out attacks?? if your ways are so good please explain them and show us how much better they are without your pathic attacks and asults most all untrue and definately most all who have been out there for 4 years plus and no one buys into them but people like you screw the attacks what will happen with a romney win a gop out right win in the senate in the house what will you do to make america better other than eliminating and firing people you hate whats your answer??
even romney supports this cut an increase in interst those who lent the interst get paid back in full plus doesnt cost the tax payer a dime those fighting this are the selfish greedy ones who in these hard economic times want to kill our students and young people with even higher interest so the high on the hog stock investors who make there millions while they sit in ther jucuzis make millions off the backs of the real americans who actually do work-but give them very good credit they have the gop who has bought into there rich and ravish live styles and will defend them at all costs why i dont know-the blow hard limbaugh is one reason, hanity another bortz others i give romney credit hes not so selfish as they are maaybe ther is more to mormonism then we give credit for? seems like he is a much nicer man than the far right gop'ers are
Obama can't run on his accomplishments. He is the most incompetent, inept, President we have had since Jimmy Carter. Obama will continue to try and make the campaign about anything but his accomplishments. Romney will continue to point out that Obama has no accomplishments worthy of discussion. Obama will be defeated, handily. This election will be a vote against Obama, not a vote for Romney.
Obama has yet to realize that he was elected to straighten out the economy that took a dive into the crapper just in time for him to win. He never straightened it out, or made anything close to an attempt. He simply spent 3 1/2 years pointing his blame finger and proclaiming it was not his fault.
He's one and done. Goodbye, don't let the door hit you in the butt on they way out, Barry.
he accomplished a lot and can run on it just because you hate it doesnt mean he cant at least you dont say he did nothing like many of your collegues have he has done a lot and has a far drawn out record for everyone to see either good or bad in the voters eyes and now they must decide is his vision better than romneys and the gop or is the gop vision and romneys better?? much better bringing it up this way then all the hate on both sides i think??
not a troll, I wonder why he's not running on his accomplishments? Romney appears more than willing to make the campaign about what the President has done. The President, however, seems to want to divert attention from what he has done, and talk about what the Republicans will do that he won't. The War on Women, which is an absolute joke. There is no war on women. This student loan issue, which is not an issue. And tax rates which he has already stated on several occasions, will not do thing for the economy. It's a fairness issue in his eyes, so that makes it more important than initiating policies that will boost the economy and creating an energy policy that will make us energy independent.
Those are the issues America cares about. Not whether the Catholic Church is going to buy some law student her condoms.
These diversions fool no one.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money. If the spender and cheif was as smart as the libtards think he would already have figured this out.
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Fellow Americans, 2012 will be another year of economic crisis. The Obama administration economic policies fail to fix the economic mess created by the derivatives in 1998, from 2008 to the present we has 166,938 business bankruptcy and 4466,392 non-business. Our students loans outstanding is over 1 trillion Dolllar, the total mortgage debt outstanding is 2.8 trillion Dollars and foreclosure is on the rise, 29% of the US homeowners have their homes under water with a negative equity. Americans racked up nearly $48 billion in new credit card debt in 2011, 424 percent more than what they charged in 2010, and 577 percent more than in 2009. Although total outstanding credit rose only about $4 billion, that number was largely offset by the magnitude of consumer defaults-$44.2 billion worth, off $2.54 trillion. First-quarter pay-downs have become less significant and the amount of new debt added in each subsequent quarter has grown compared to its respective counterparts in the previous two years; this is do to the unemployment and underemployment that is close to 20%. We have millions of homeless and many living with relatives because they lost their homes.
Fellow Americans, from 1998 to the present Bush,Obama and the incompetent Washington representatives have learn nothing, the economic meltdown of 1998 was the result of the economic policies of the genius of the US economic; Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers Timothy Geitner, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. Not to mention the corrupt Washington politicians that are in the pocket of the Wall Street Financial lobbyist. Now this meltdown is the work of Obama, Timothy Geitner, Larry Summer, Ben Bernanke and the corrupt Washington politicians, derivatives foster corruption and fraud; Miss Brooksley Born, warm this corrupt government of the 1998 meltdown but they ridicule her and don't listen to her; now we are heading in the same direction and Obama do not have a clue as to what to do to fix this mess and he continue making the same mistake that Clinton did. The US Treasury is destroying America, they are guilty of making millions of Americans poor, homeless and economic slaves, their policy do not spare any one that work for a living they demise the wealth of the middle class and made this huge national debt 15.5 trillions Dollars.
Fellow Americans those SOBS destroy our future and they are enjoying the money that they stoled from the American people, is this justice?. They are traitors that should be prosecute and throw in jail. But we can not depend on congress to do their job and enforce the rule of law. Alan Greespan stop the CFTC from doing their job as consequence he and his cronies are the ones accountable to the people for their crime.
God bless Miss, Born. She did her best to stop this mess, she pressed on with her plans, but Rubin accused her of not having the authority to do so. She absolutely and legally had such authority but Alan Greespan use congress and the corrupt news media to induce legislation and public opinion to void her power and to stop her from doing her job.
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