My Turn Next:

Recently Ann Romney uttered the words that it is Mitt's "turn" to run for President. Now this is not surprising as it was once Robert Dole's turn, then it was John McCain's turn, and after losing to McCain, Willard is under the impression that it is now his turn. That is just the way Republicans do things: Get in line and wait for your turn. And because a potential candidate may have to wait 4 to 8 years; the party continues to get safe, conservative, grumpy old white guys.

Washington politicians describe the Office of the Vice-President as the most boring, unwanted job conceived by the framers of the Constitution. Yet in West Palm Beach Florida, former governor Jeb Bush said he would CONSIDER running as a vice president with Romney. He followed by weasel words saying that Marco Rubio would be the best choice and he hopes Rubio would accept the offer.

Jeb Bush is a smart politician (much smarter than his brother) so why would he even consider the V-P office? Jeb knows that if Romney would win, he (Jeb) would be stuck in the most boring job in Washington. But if Romney loses, being the V-P candidate would catapult him to next in line for the 2016 election. Forget Christy, Daniels, and all the other wannabes; Jeb Bush would be saying it's my turn next. It also says that Jeb Bush is banking on Romney losing this election.

Wonder what lies the President will tell those soon to be graduates when they are seeing stories like this every day:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The college class of 2012 is in for a rude welcome to the world of work.

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Guess he can claim that the GOP is waging a "War on Students", again.

Problem is, these graduates are the ones that were promised hope and change when they voted in their very first Presidential election in 2008.

Pretty sure this is not what they thought Hope and Change meant.

AP - President Obama’s reelection prospects are improving with the employment rate in swing states. Unemployment in the 14 states likely to decide the election dropped at a faster rate than the country as a whole and with more jobs comes a greater support for the president.

Analysts are upgrading their economic forecasts and say that the economy will grow at a faster pace than earlier predictions suggested.

A USA Today survey of 50 top economists puts the unemployment rate at 8 percent by the fourth quarter and shows 2.5 percent overall economic growth, a higher figure from estimates three months ago.

Looks like another one of those Old Europe socialist experiments is collapsing under its own weight. And anyone who thinks America, with Trillion-dollar-plus deficits as far as the eye can see, will somehow avoid the fate of Old Europe is a fool.

Another One Down? Dutch Government Near Collapse

CNBC.com

| 23 Apr 2012 | 08:41 AM ET

The Dutch government’s failure to reach an agreement in talks to achieve tough spending cuts could see ratings agencies cut the country’s prized AAA-rating and nervous investors push up the country’s borrowing costs, and it will also have wider implications for the euro zone as a whole, analysts said on Monday.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte will meet the Dutch queen on Monday afternoon to tender the government’s resignation, Dutch broadcaster RTL reported.

Dutch Finance Minister Jan-Kees de Jager sought to reassure investors on Monday, telling CNBC in The Hague that the Netherlands had always displayed budget discipline and would continue to do so.

"The perception of financial markets is always important...and that's why I also have the message for financial markets that for decades the Netherlands have shown a solid fiscal budgetary policy and this will not change. In any government we have seen in the past we have seen solid policy and this will remain in the future," de Jager said.

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BTW, does anyone know the Vegas over/under on how many Secret Service agents will have be forced out before Barry gets “angry”???

still fired up and ready to go !!

GO Obaaahhhhma 2012!

Good morning to everybody.

Think Progress:

President Obama’s reelection prospects are improving with the employment rate in swing states. Unemployment in the 14 states likely to decide the election dropped at a faster rate than the country as a whole, and with more jobs comes greater support for the president, the AP reports.

Analysts are upgrading their economic forecasts and say that the economy will grow at a faster pace than earlier predictions suggested. A USA Today survey of 50 top economists puts the unemployment rate at 8 percent by the fourth quarter and shows 2.5 percent overall economic growth, a higher figure from estimates three months ago.

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Loved, loved, loved Keith O's appearance yesterday morning. Hope to see more of him. He's an honest man in a media full of dishonesty and cowing down to the GOP.

Peggy Noonan and George Will are so GD ridiculous. Ryan a good VP candidate?

How much more do they want to rob and take away from the American worker and their families?

FR: We’ll start with the youth vote. President Obama heads to Chapel Hill, NC and Boulder, CO (on Tuesday) and Iowa City, IA (on Wednesday) to talk about student loans.

To what end? There aren't any jobs for them when they graduate:

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/1-2-graduates-jobless-underemployed-140300522.html

Romney is interested in job creation. Obama is interested in increasing handouts.

Oh dear! Dennis, Bev and I saw the same story! But it's good news so seeing it three x is cool.

Sorry for the triple post first read is acting up. It would not post at first then whe it finally did it posted 3x .

Fiesty and Ron, great posts to start the week out.

Her's hoping this posts

"There will be an effort," Romney said, "by the quote, vast left-wing conspiracy, to work together to put out their message and attack me."

Now why would he possibly think that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList

Feisty, I read a lot of websites this weekend and what struck me were the comments by people stating that it looks like David Gregory is now quite comfortable shilling for the GOP. He's seems happier now that he doesn't have to hide it.

Sad isn't it?

So, let's all remember in November to Vote in all Democrats, and send the Party of NO packing.

Obama - Biden 2012.

FR: They’re all “official” trips of course, and a Jimmy Fallon appearance is sprinkled in as well.

Think they'll play "Lyin' Ass Bi*ch" when Obama walks on like they did for Michele Bachmann?

Good Morning Pat Boston MA.

I'm glad you posted the employment trend is moving on up too. I'm wondering how FOX & the right wing echo chamber spin this improvement; don't forget the drop in gasoline.

Sad isn't it?

Pat,

It sure is, I have been saying that for years...

I don't have a problem with journalists like Larry O' & Rachel who make no bones about it they are lefty liberals.

What I do have a problem with is, those who claim to be neutral when their bias couldn't be more obvious!

Looks like Chuck Todd isn't too far behind him! *shakes head*

***waves to my GF Bev***

It was reported locally this weekend, that Obama has raised ten times the amount Romney has, in the state of Maine. Ron Paul comes in second in donations, after the President, and Romney third.

Bear in mind, we are not Vermont. Maine is a purple state. We currently are suffering through a Tea Party governor and a Republican legislature. Theoretically, Romney should appeal to Mainers, having New England ties, as former governor in MA, and owning a vacation home in NH.

But. He. Doesn't.

Part of it may be his personality, but I think it's also because we are seeing what it's like to live under the Republican agenda, and it ain't pretty. In other news: Maine is unique among the New England states in that our unemployment number has not gone down: see Tea Party governor and lack of focus on JOBS.

Ha!

Even First Read has to put "Official" trips in quotes because they know it is a sham!

How in the world is a spot on the Jimmy Fallon show an official trip?

I didn't even know Fallon was still on the air!

What's next, Wendy O Williams?

WCA: Problem is, these graduates are the ones that were promised hope and change when they voted in their very first Presidential election in 2008.

Obama will give them the perception that he will forgive their loans. Of course. after the election, he'll have more "flexibility" and yet another promise will be broken. Of course these young folks will forced to buy their own health insurance when they are 27. Those payments, on top of their student loan payments they must repay, will certainly give them second thoughts on voting for Mr. Hope and Change.

A new study from the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism shows that of all the presidential candidates during this election cycle, President Obama has had the least favorable coverage by the news media. Since January, presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney has actually enjoyed twice as much positive coverage as President Obama.

http://www.journalism.org/commentary_backgrounder/pejs_election_report

I sure hope the Hispanic People of this country realize that Rubio is just a part of the dog and pony show to elect a President who could care less about them after the election.

If your hurting now you will be worse off come Dec. of 2012 if the Republican clown troop is allowed to continue to control the Government.

Mitt isn't really a threat.The Republican Congress and Senate are the biggest problem.

Great work Dennis. I see you've taken as a project exposure of the "so-called Liberal media." And well you should, that talking point is shown as a lie every day by the work of the Beltway media.

When reading conservative poster comments from Albany Joe to JS1, this quote comes to mind: "An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out." Rene Descartes.

Paul Krugman:

Just how stupid does Mitt Romney think we are? ….. the question was raised with particular force last week, when Mr. Romney tried to make a closed drywall factory in Ohio a symbol of the Obama administration’s economic failure. It was a symbol, all right – but not in the way he intended.

….Mr. Romney somehow failed to mention: George W. Bush, not Barack Obama, was president when the factory in question was closed. Does the Romney campaign expect Americans to blame President Obama for his predecessor’s policy failure?

Yes, it does. Mr. Romney constantly talks about job losses under Mr. Obama. Yet all of the net job loss took place in the first few months of 2009, that is, before any of the new administration’s policies had time to take effect. So the Ohio speech was a perfect illustration of the way the Romney campaign is banking on amnesia, on the hope that voters don’t remember that Mr. Obama inherited an economy that was already in free fall.

…. Mr. Romney wants you to forget that Mr. Obama has faced scorched-earth political opposition since his first day in office. Basically, the G.O.P. has blocked the administration’s efforts to the maximum extent possible, then turned around and blamed the administration for not doing enough.

Mr. Krugman, Mitt Romney is a liar. We will have an out and out liar in the White House if he succeeds in November. He's like the people who ran the banks. Liars and corrupt. He's the guy who laid people off so he could make millions.

He is the guy who will follow the GWB Admin policies. Because he has no policies of his own.

Sniff!

Obama will give them the perception that he will forgive their loans. Of course. after the election, he'll have more "flexibility" and yet another promise will be broken. Of course these young folks will forced to buy their own health insurance when they are 27. Those payments, on top of their student loan payments they must repay, will certainly give them second thoughts on voting for Mr. Hope and Change

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I hope you will stop lying and spinning unfathomable yarns. If you must spin, at least let your nucleus attract you in a positive direction like a fact check website; instead of out of this world.

A new study from the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism shows that of all the presidential candidates during this election cycle, President Obama has had the least favorable coverage by the news media. Since January, presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney has actually enjoyed twice as much positive coverage as President Obama.

Glad to see the New York Times is on board.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/opinion/sunday/a-hard-look-at-the-president.html?_r=1

He is the guy who will follow the GWB Admin policies. Because he has no policies of his own.

Willard has already stocked his campaign full of "W" reruns!

Including this little 'jewel';

Grenell, who served as George W. Bush’s spokesperson at the UN and was announced as the Romney campaign’s new representative yesterday, has gone after Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, Callista Gingrich, Sandra Fluke and others. He also asserted that President Obama’s children should be fair game for political debate. A selection of his thoughts on women:

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/20/468736/richard-grenell-twitter-women/

Meet the new boss... same as the old boss...

Dennis, there is no liberal media. The liberal media of old got rich and now don't much care about working families. They are all inside the beltway socialites and gossipers.

When you have people like Keith Olbermann, Lawrence O'Donnell, Ed Schultz and Martin Bashir going after the GOP, you have to admire them. They make big big big money and would benefit mightily from Romney policies.

But they have too much integrity. Something the media has lost.

This election really is about the future. Not the past, which is what the GOP wants. Why, I have no idea. I guess they aren't 21st Century thinking people. It's easy for them to make up an image of an America that wasn't. It was time of no civil or equal rights.

That's what they want to go back to. All the rich white men. Not surprising.

What was best about the America of past were the unions and how they built America. And now they are ridiculed just like everything else that was great about America.

I sure hope the Hispanic People of this country realize that Rubio is just a part of the dog and pony show to elect a President who could care less about them after the election.

If your hurting now you will be worse off come Dec. of 2012 if the Republican clown troop is allowed to continue to control the Government.

So, in the two years that Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House what exactly did they do for the Hispanic People of this country?

Since 2010 the Republicans have controlled half of Congress while the Democrats have controlled the other half and still controlled the White House, and yet you claim they'll "continue to control the Government"?

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

- Thomas Paine

I am in my mid twenties and it is very likely that I will not vote for President Obama and good luck getting young men/women out to vote this year.

The reason our government is full of a bunch greedy and lazy individuals is because a majority of people out there either vote straight democrat or straight republican. Most do not bother researching politicians running for office.

This individual running for office is democrat so I am going to vote for him/her and I know nothing about him/her.

Or

This individual running for office is republican so I am going to vote for him/her and I know nothing about him/her.

Everyone should research every candidate and vote for the individual he/she believes will best represent their district/state/country. Not vote for them just because he/she is republican or democrat...stop being lazy.

Fiesty-

And other similar thinking people (you know who you are). I just finished reading "DRIFT" by Rachel Maddow. It's a must read for any intelligent, politically aware person. One of the major debates is over the use of "Presidential Powers". There uses and abuses. President Obama will use these powers to get things "done" in a do nothing Congress who's goal is only to do "nothing" for our Country and it's people. Very same powers President Reagan and Bush Senior and Junior used many times. Democrats and Independents please read this book. Republicans will probably hate it, but read it anyway and educate yourselves.

Obama in 2012.

What's up? What's down?

The improving economy is swinging the pendulum in President Barack Obama’s favor in the 14 states where the presidential election will likely be decided …. What’s made the difference is that unemployment has dropped more sharply in several swing states than in the nation as a whole. A resurgence in manufacturing is helping the economy – and Obama’s chances – in the industrial Midwestern states of Ohio and Michigan.

…. After an agonizingly slow recovery, several swing-state economies are finally accelerating:

- The job market is improving in Michigan and Ohio. In Michigan, unemployment fell to 8.5 percent in March from 10.5 percent in March 2011. And in Ohio, it dropped to 7.5 percent from 8.8 percent over the same period….

Many blue-collar workers in Ohio and Michigan credit the federal bailout of General Motors and Chrysler for saving tens of thousands of auto industry jobs … "There’s a feeling the administration went out of its way to protect jobs that are very important," says Paul Allen Beck, a political science professor at Ohio State University…

Unemployment is down over the past year in the 10 other states the Associated Press identifies as swing states: Arizona, Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/04/22/3569618/swing-state-unemployment-down.html#storylink=rss

After 4-Month Surge, Gas Prices Start Falling Down

http://news.yahoo.com/4-month-surge-gas-prices-start-falling-214527708--finance.html

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You won't hear any acknowledgements over @ FOX NOISE; rememeber FOX is proproganda not news!!!!===================================================================

What's all over?

The Republican Propaganda Mill And Their

Tentacles of Rage

Once you get time you must read this artlicle. I remember Keith calling the Koch brothers the Kochoctpolous.

This article exposes how workings of the right-wing propaganda mills we think our different but really they are the tentacles of the same people and orginizations like ALEC; NRA & the Koch Bros.

NATIONAL ^{"THINK TANKS"}

The Heritage Foundation

American Enterprise Institute

Hoover Institution

Cato Institute

Hudson Institute

Manhattan Institute (Media outlets have turned to the Manhattan Institute's Robert Bryce at least 39 times this year to comment on energy issues withoudisclosing that the Manhattan Institute is partly funded by oil interests. Bryce, who often promotes fossil fuels while disparaging renewable energy, has been criticized for making misleading claims

^{http://mediamatters.org/research/201110070015 )}

Citizens for a Sound Economy

Reason Foundation

National Center for Policy Analysis

Competitive Enterprise Institute

Free Congress Foundation

Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis

^{http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Republican-Propaganda1sep04.htm}

ThinkProgress researcher

^{Lee Fang has been digging into the nefarious activities of the Koch family, reporting on their funding of the tea parties, the depth of their astroturfing, and their family’s record of right-wing radicalism}

Charles Koch, about 10 years ago, compared himself to the theologian Martin Luther and he said he’s bringing a right wing radical free-market reformation to this country.

So, you know, like you said, Fred Koch, the father, did this to President Kennedy, funding the John Birch Society. They did it to Clinton, funding a lot of the attack groups and the rallies on Capitol Hill, smearing Hillary Clinton. They’re doing it to Barack Obama. But they’re going to keep doing it.

^{http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/08/25/115558/lee-on-kochs/}

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They won't if; we fight back!!!! We have the Color of Change which got rid of Glenn Beck. We have the NAACP, Revs AL & Jackson, and so many other progressive grops

This is why Trayvon Martin is so important. Not only does it exposue the deadly consequesences of "Stand your Ground"; but also the greed and callouness of right wingers behind it; the NRA, ALEC & the Koch Bros. who want to suppress our vote. We can not; I repeat, can not allow the this scions of hate, and greed suppress our vote and return America back back to Civil war days; the Wild, Wild Wild, West and Jim Crow. Neither can we continue to allow them to destroy the earth.

California Tom, I plan on picking up Rachel's book this week.

I just finished a 1,000 page book on WWI, the Russian Revolution and the Russian Civil War. What a trip that was going back to those days. My goodness. Amazing. LoL.

Now I just have to clear my brain for a few days and will dive into Rachel's book next weekend. Glad to see you liked it. It's a bestseller!

Think they'll play "Lyin' Ass Bi*ch" when Obama walks on like they did for Michele Bachmann?

After her "tar baby" comment they should be playing 'Racist B*tch'.

Dennis

A new study from the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism shows that of all the presidential candidates during this election cycle, President Obama has had the least favorable coverage by the news media.

Romney gets bad press when the media report exactly what he says word for word, and when the liberal media gets really nasty, it shows video clips of him interacting with the common folk, like his disastrously boorish "Cookiegate" performance.

Mr. Obama is officially on his suck-up tour for the 18 to 22 year old 'kiddie vote'...which helped put him in office a few years back. Can't see the same level of hysteria happening on America's campuses this time...but ol' Barack will be out there on the quad, wiggling his finger at the kids and telling them how horrid their lives will be if they don't help him keep his job, whether they themselves will be able to find a job or not.

The irony is that it is the youth that stand to suffer most by Obama's policies… policies that will destroy and future they might have had.

Crystal, the 2012 grads voted for the very first Presidential Election in their life in 2008.

Hope and Change they were promised. A transformational President. Ha!

They gave this administration 4 years to get things straightened out so they would graduate with an opportunity to go out into the world and make something of themselves.

All this President has done is insure that these kids will be living in their parents basement sponging off of their Health Care, until they are 26 years old.

Don't know if they will vote for Romney, but they sure aren't going to get up and Vote for Obama again.

Will FOX NOISE Ever Get It Right Now That Their Mole is Gone?

Fox's Voter Fraud Special Light On Voter Fraud

April 22, 2012

Fox News' latest attempt to promote discriminatory voter ID laws is an hour-long special featuring no credible cases of in-person voter fraud that could have been prevented by such laws.

Voter ID laws are the only remedy for fraud that the host Eric Shawn presents in the special, Fox News Reporting: Stealing Your Vote , which postulates that "voter fraud is still rampant" and ran on April 21 and 22. Shawn is Fox's point person for election fraud coverage, regularly appearing in segments over the last 18 months that conclude with the correspondent urging viewers to send tips to the network's voter fraud email hotline, voterfraud@foxnews.com .

In promoting on the voter ID laws that Fox News has regularly hyped, Shawn finds only one supposed claim of in-person voter fraud that could have been prevented by such statutes: the allegation that nearly 1,000 "dead" people voted in South Carolina. Shawn reports:

SOUTH CAROLINA GOV. NIKKI HALEY (R): Let's be clear, I don't want dead people voting in the state of South Carolina.

SHAWN: And authorities say there is evidence that dead people voting is a real problem, according to a statewide investigation by South Carolina's Department of Motor Vehicles. In January, it found that 953 ballots were cast by voters who are deceased. But the state Election Commission director disputes those findings.

The state's Election Commission director didn't just "dispute those findings"; the commission investigated and debunked them . Reviewing the 207 contested votes from the 2010 election, the commission found that 106 were clerical errors by poll workers, 56 were errors by the DMV, 32 were cases of people being credited as voting when they hadn't, and three were absentee ballots cast by voters who died before Election Day. The commission said they had "insufficient information" regarding the final ten contested votes, but found no evidence of fraud.

That case predictably collapsed after being repeatedly hyped by Fox News.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201204220003

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Yea, right; FOX NOISE the clouds make Charmin toilet paper too!

Cynthia: Great list that will keep on growing. How will you manage all those lies by convention time, or election time? So, so many lies.

How can anyone be surprised that Mr. Obama has not received "favorable" press coverage lately...what has he done to actually earn some ??? Same old hectoring speeches over and over again and his grand "Buffet Rule" that he'd said earlier would battle the nation's deficit for "the next ten years" now turns out to be just another "gimmick"...that's Mr. Obama's term, not mine.

Why Young People Won't Vote for a GOP Candidate...

1. We don't want to see anymore of our friends killed or maimed in never ending wars.

2. We don't think anyone will turn into a pillar of salt if gay people are allowed marriage.

3. We have friends, family, and concern for more people then just old, white, dudes.

4. We've been taught science and believe in it, ALL THE TIME, not just when we fly somewhere or are told to jump off of bridges.

5. We don't want to live in an oligarchy.

This election isn't so much about voting FOR Obama, as it is voting AGAINST the GOP/TP.

Well Sarah, I believe you are one of the first of the Libs here to admit that there is nothing about Obama that is worth voting for.

Welcome to the light.

Advocacy group files IRS complaint against ALEC

Advocacy group Common Cause said Monday it had filed an IRS complaint accusing ALEC of masquerading as a public charity. ALEC is formed as a nonprofit that brings together lawmakers and private sector organizations to develop legislation and policy.

ALEC has said its work is not lobbying, but Common Cause disagrees.

Several companies who have previously supported ALEC financially have dropped out in recent weeks amid backlash tied to the group's support of "Stand Your Ground" laws, such as the one cited as a defense in the shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.

A spokeswoman for ALEC did not return a call seeking comment

http://www.necn.com/04/23/12/Advocacy-group-files-IRS-complaint-again/landing_politics.html?&apID=fced3d9a9777427187f94fd7a7b28c1b

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Wonderful, I told you if we fight back we can change things.

Last election literal hordes of people who usually don't vote came out to make a statement by voting for our first black President, riding the wave of Hope and Change. Unfortunately all we've seen is politics as usual in DC. All hope for change has vanished.

Obama will not be able to count on these peoples votes this time around, because they'll all stay home over-whelmed with the usual sense of hopelessness.

Never the less, Obama probably will be elected again, as there is virtually no competition.

Crystal-our youth is smart enough to see that Mitt and the Republicans are only about money and corporations and have already denied women equal pay in Wisconsin with failed Governor Scott Walker. They will also see that the Romney/Ryan budget will take away their future Social Security and other benefits and use this money to give the 1% and corporations more tax cuts. With these tax cuts they will continue to not create jobs. The youth of america is much smarter than you and the majority of them will be voting Obama.

WAC,

Can you quote where I said that? Don't twist my words. There are things that are worth voting for and things that aren't, when it comes to Obama. You know, like he's SANE, that's something worth voting for. I'll never be 100% happy with anyone, but the GOP/TP and have lost their fu**ing minds.

The GOP/TP hasn't even given me the option of examining those things about Obama, because the only alternative to Obama/Democrats, is "WACKO".

Can you quote where I said that? Don't twist my words.

He thought when you said: "This election isn't so much about voting FOR Obama, as it is voting AGAINST the GOP/TP." meant that you really don't care too much about Obama but the GOP scares you. I can see how he misunderstood that.

For me, Obama isn't the perfect choice. But the GOP does scare me.

Gladly:

This election isn't so much about voting FOR Obama.

The sad truth, Sarah, is that many young people probably just won't vote this time around. After being prommised that things would be different with this President they just got more of the same old Washington BS.

Eventually they will vote again, but probably not this year.

White Collar Auto

Wonder what lies the President will tell those soon to be graduates when they are seeing stories like this every day:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The college class of 2012 is in for a rude welcome to the world of work.

Pretty sure this is not what they thought Hope and Change meant.

Yup, guess that's why the Ron Paul youth cult hasn't shown up for Paul. Guess they don't like the idea of you right wingers clapping for unemployment to rise to 10%.

They are educated and seemingly recognize right wing lies now that the economy is improving; unlike the "WHACKO" recalcitrant right wing old pale males.

I am a young individual (mid twenties), former peace corps volunteer, have a great job, and i will not just vote straight democrat. I will probably not vote for President Obama

JUSTICE FOR DANIEL ADKINS!!!!!

It was Congressional republicans that promised Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and then the only thing they did was name things after Ronald Reagen, don't think for a moment people don't realize who is responsible for slow job growth and no investment in infrastructure. By the way in spite of what they may say there won't be many seniors voting for Romney and the Ryan plan to cut their benefits, they will talk a good game then go into the voting booth and vote for Obama or not vote at all. Don't kid yourself there is an awful lot of poor white republicans who just love their disability checks, food-stamps and medicare, the trailer parks and Wal-Mart are chock full of them. There is plenty of welfare handed out to those good old red states.

Michael1969

"Free Money! Git yer FREE MONEY!!!" - "We have Obama food stamps too!!"
LOL...Looney libs - always stealing from their neighbors - Get a job

The above is the Dumbest statement of the Day. So, 69,456,897 are on food stamps and welfare.
Facts Red States receive the bulk of food stamps and welfare.

2008 return results:
69,456,897 President Obama
59,934,814 John McCain

Facts Red States receive the bulk of food stamps and welfare.

How about all those babies teenagers in Mississippi are having? Oh, and with the GOP looking out for our morals and working to close down the last abortion clinic, they can have even more!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47003837/

Look at that! Red States leading the pack! Hope all those teenage mothers don't end up in that 'safety net' or anything.

I am a liberal democrat and I don't have a dime in this world I did not earn for my family.

When reading conservative poster comments from Albany Joe to JS1, this quote comes to mind: "An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out." Rene Descartes.

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Jody: That "light" you see is America's inevitable future being played out before your eyes in Old Europe. Their socialist defict spending and ever-increasing debt loads are causing these countries to collapse under its weight. Sounds like you are optomistic about America running up annual deficits of a trillion-plus dollars as far as the eye can see, and somehow not suffering the same fate as these countries.

It's not pessimism that causes me to look at Old Europe failing and extrapolating that the same thing will happen in America for the same reasons, it's realism. You might want to give it a try sometime.

Ron Paul has the votes of young Americans. They don't like the Presidents message anymore.

Ron Paul has the votes of young Americans.

You mean there are people that haven't realized how dangerous that man is yet?

Absolutely, The same crowd that bought into Obamas BS.

Absolutely, The same crowd that bought into Obamas BS.

"Ron Paul: Providing 18th Century solutions to 21st Century problems."

Fitting campaign slogan, no?

President Obama will receive the votes of the young people again. They see he is the only person offering anything except taking our country backward - as Romney will do. They want none of his "pandering" and changing his opinion from one campaign stop to the next. They're smart and actually care about the country and the citizens that make this country up. They are not about to vote for a party that has women in it's crosshairs.

Obama/Biden 2012

Absolutely, The same crowd that bought into Obamas BS.

"Ron Paul: Providing 18th Century solutions to 21st Century problems."

Fitting campaign slogan, no?

I actually loled right in my office. I hope no one was passing by because they might think I'm nuts!

Obamas slogan, break the country so we end up in a 21st century revolution. Brilliant.

Cali Tom - "DRIFT" by Rachel Maddow. It's a must read for any intelligent, politically aware person. One of the major debates is over the use of "Presidential Powers". There uses and abuses. President Obama will use these powers to get things "done" in a do nothing Congress who's goal is only to do "nothing" for our Country and it's people.

Maddow's book seems interesting, I only hope that she writes on a level playing field - judging equally. This unitary executive psuedo/criminal philosophy while used more by the GOP is harmful is used by any President. I don't agree with Obama's tactic to use more presidential powers. Not only are those actions limited by the constitution (first and foremost) but it could backfire. For the pure blood partisans out there don't you think if a GOP POTUS like Romney wins he will use these extra constitutional powers to do his side stepping of POTUS granted powers? An example was Obama's placement of appointees while Congress was not in session. By the way Pro forma session rules need to change, that body needs to eliminate all these little tactics and procedural games and do their jobs. Vote up or down on bills or appointees, stop all the ridiculous holds on legislation. Most importantly outlaw the false fillibuster if you plan to filibuster step up to the plate and read the bill in its entirety, discuss its bad points and point out your suggestions.

In listening to Maddow, I noticed her apparent greivance with the sidestepping of the War powers act by both R and D president's. Will she include the Libya incursion? May be a good book if it is balanced.

As an '08 Obama voter and a life-long Democrat, I hope that someone asks Obama at one of the universities that he is planning to visit why he has sold out American college students, the American workforce, and LEGAL immigrants in his wrong-headed push to grant rewards to immigration lawbreakers. Both parties are selling out American citizens and LEGAL immigrants. Romney, at least so far, has pledged to enforce our laws (the most generous immigration laws in the world). We must not permit rewards for immigration lawbreaking, as doing so imposes catastrophic damages upon American citizens, LEGAL immigrants, and American taxpayer resources (which are damaged by lower wages, and thus, lower tax revenues from taxpayers, higher costs for services for ILLEGALS who obtain social welfare benefits and free healthcare all funded by the American taxpayers rather than their lawbreaking employers). This should be patently unacceptable to all of us. We must vote for those who pledge protection of American citizens and LEGAL immigrants and not rewards and the further incentivization of immigration lawbreaking!

I am sure Mr Obama will be telling all the college students that the bad Republicans will be increasing the cost of their student loans and that only he can keep their college costs affordable.

Of course he won't tell them that the College Cost Reduction and Access Act, which set current interest rates on student loans was bipartisan legislation signed into law by Former President Bush in 2007 and that as a Senator he DID NOT VOTE for the bill.

Everyone,

Never mind Angelica. She doesn't know how to turn off bold and she gets paid by CIS. This is the first time she's posted on anything not directly related to immigration, however, you'll notice that's all she talked about. Also, if you go to her page and read her stuff, you'll see it's the same thing, over and over.

Sarah--- You're the consummate liar (purposefully in bold). You have no grounds to say that I am affiliated with CIS, and, in fact, I am NOT. That's a complete lie! You just cannot handle it that Democrats want for our immigration laws to be enforced as well. Another of your lies is that I do not comment on other issues--- this is completely false as well--- but you have no moral barriers to the continuation of your false and inane posts. Your own posts evidence your pathology and propensity for making up lies when you oppose the content of the message. Most of us can see right through your lies and deceit-- as it's memorialized in all of your posts!

Further, you'll note that i did not say anything whatsoever about "immigration" as you falsely allege. My comments were limited to ILLEGAL immigration and Obama's amnesty agenda. It's further amusing that you have nothing of substance to say yourself--- as you are preoccupied and obsessed with my posts --- every time!

Job1

69,456,897 people are getting free government handouts!

Just ask any conservative. They think everyone voting Obama are on welfare. I see it on every article here.

JJ-johnnyreb2874187 Obamas slogan, break the country so we end up in a 21st century revolution. Brilliant.

No, that was the last president, the revolution brought us President Obama silly.

Yellowdog-Mark D

Good points. I especially want to see the filibuster change. The republicans have a record on them, more than all other filibusters combined. 51% is a majority, not 60. And, 30 days is enough to hold an appointment back to evaluate, not 3+ years.

We also need to set term limits in Congress. It should be treated like jury duty. Pull a well informed citizen out for 4 years, run them for a 2nd term if they want, then send him back to the job he came from. If four years on two terms is good enough for the president, it should be good enough for Congress members.

Angelica,

It always amazes me that it takes you at least two paragraphs to tell someone to go fu** themselves. Do you just enjoy the act of typing, or are you trying to impress us with your flowery rhetoric?

Anyhoo, I'm sorry, it's not CIS, it's FAIR. Or if you aren't a troll, why don't you tell us your thoughts on something OTHER then immigration?

In the meantime, why does this seem familiar...

TACTICS FOR EFFECTIVE CONSERVATIVE BLOGGING By Karl Rove

Engage Demand an elaborate, time-consuming comparison / analysis between your position and theirs. Entangle Insist that the Liberal put their posts in their own words. That will consume the most time and effort for the Liberal poster

They will be unable to spread numerous points on numerous blogs if you have them occupied. Allowing a Liberal to post a web link is too quick and efficient for them. Tie them up. We are going for delay of game here. Demoralize Dismiss their narrative as rubbish immediately.

Do not even read it. Once the Liberal goes through the trouble to research, gather, collate, compose and write their narrative your job is to discredit it. Make it obvious you tossed their labor-intensive narrative aside like garbage. This will have the effect of demoralizing the Liberal poster.

It will make them unwilling to expend the effort again, and for us, that is a net win

Attack Attack the source. Any Liberal website or information source must be marginalized, trivialized and discounted. Let the blogosphere know that Truthout.org, thinkprogress.org,
the nation and moveon.org are Liberal rubbish propaganda. Discredit Liberal sources of information whenever possible. Confuse Challenge the Liberal position with questions,
always questions. The questions need not be relevant. The goal is to knock the Liberal poster off their game, and seize control of the narrative

Once you have control you can direct the narrative to where you want it to go, which is always away from letting the Liberal make their point. Conversely, do not respond to their leading questions. Don't rise to their bait. Contain Your job is to prevent the presentation and spread of Liberal viewpoints.

Do anything you must do to prevent a Liberal poster from presenting a well-reasoned argument or starting a civil discussion.
Don't allow a Liberal to present their dogma unchallenged EVER. Intimidate Taunt the Liberals.

If you find yourself in a debate with a Liberal where you are losing a fact-based argument
then call them a name to derail their diatribe. Remember your goal is toprevent a meaningful exchange of views and ideas which may portray Liberalism in a positive light.

Your goal as a conservative blogger is to stop the spread and advance of the Liberal agenda. Play upon any identifiable idiosyncrasies, character flaws, physical traits, names, to their disadvantage
Monitor other posts for vulnerabilities you can exploit. Stay on the offensive with Liberal wimps. Don't let up. Insult their Movement Assign as many character and moral flaws toLiberals as you can. You must portray Liberals as weak, vacillating, indecisive, amoral, baby killers, unpatriotic, effete snobs, elitists, Leftists, Commies, sense of entitlement, promiscuous, union lovers, tax raisers, Welfare Queens, Socialists, lazy, sex-obsessed, druggies, Jesus haters, moochers, troop hater,.etc. Always use these negative epithets when referring to, or describing Liberals / democrats.
Deceive Identify yourself as a moderate, centrist or independent. It will also cause Liberals to lower their guard a bit, which gives you an effective opening. This may also have the
effect of aligning conservative viewpoints with the real moderates we are attempting to reach.

It may serve to influence some moderates over to the Republican side. Patriotism Always claim the high ground of pro-military, low taxes, strong defense, morality and religion. We own those virtues. Learn how to exploit them when debating
Demean Always refer to the other
side as Liberals, Lefty Liberals, Libbies. Never assign them the status of a
bona-fide political party. Hang Liberalism around their neck like a burning
tire. Make Liberalism appear as a moral turpitude or a character flaw. They are
NEVER, NEVER to be referred to as the Democratic Party. At best it is the
democrat party. Never assign them respect
Opportunity Be alert for ways to
insert our catch phrases into your narrative. You will receive your daily list
of talking points and topics that we want you to cover. Consistent, persistent
repetition and inculcation will drive our talking points home and so will
neuro-linguistic programming. Stick with it and our talking points will become
truth. If they debunk your talking point, ignore it, and move on as if you didn't
hear it.

Now excuse me, I have some "consumate" lying to go do. At least this time you didn't call me "tacky". So I have a few velvet Elvis paintings hanging up, I wouldn't consider that "tacky".

I don't know whether you're tacky, as I don't have enough information to make that allegation, so I won't make a false and unfounded allegation against you (a/k/a I have ethics). However, you just continue to prove my point that whenever you disagree, you resort to BLATANT LIES AND SUBTERFUGE. It's really a very unattractive quality and negates any valid point that you may have as well. I have no doubt you will continue with your false statements, accusations, obsessiveness, and insults rather than corresponding with facts to actual content.

Further, it appears that you have practiced and perfected Karl Rove's strategies, as he constanly resorts to LIES and SUBTERFUGE, as you do. You must have studied his offensive methologies for a long time, as you have adopted them to perfection!

Angelica,

AGAIN, all these fancy words and paragraphs for such a simple statement at it's core. Why waste the time, when you can say it in two words... "Fu** off". See, done.

And, what's really funny is that you HAVE called me tacky before...

No matter how much you continue to reiterate your FALSE and INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST REFRAINS---- NO PERSON OF CHARACTER AND INTELLIGENCE WILL EVER BUY INTO YOUR FALSE REPRSENTATIONS THAT ENFORCEMENT OF OUR LAWS AND/OR EXPOSING the true costs of ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
would be equivalent to “demoniz[ing]” anyone. That’s just another of your cheap ploys-- and I mean low-brow, tacky, and transparent to all but apparently you!

That was from January of 2012. The article was entitled, "Obama Draws Sharp Contrast with the GOP on Immigration".

And you didn't answer...

Or if you aren't a troll, why don't you tell us your thoughts on something OTHER then immigration?

Most people of moderate intelligence are familiar with the words that I use, and don't find them "fancy", as you do. What would you like to know my opinion about, as I've certainly given it about other matters-- the environment, and more recently, an adopted Chinese girl without any hands who received an award for penmanship, etc.? Why aren't you as obsessed with those posts? It appears that you're the troll-- as you only appear to follow me and are obsessed with my posts regarding ILLEGAL immigration rather than making any valid post of your own original thought. Further, as I said, and as you constantly misstate, I didn't say anything about "immigration", but rather only about ILLEGAL immigration. It is truly scary that you saved one of my posts from 4 months ago! Wow! Gross! Point proven!

Angelica,

Glad to see you figured out how to turn off bold.

AGAIN, an entire paragraph for the same point. And I didn't save it, I clicked on your page and searched for it. It was right around the time they suspended you for being so, we'll call it "angry".

So, what are your thoughts on some other matters??? My posts are already up there, and are, you know, pertaining to the article.

P.S. If you're going to vote up your own post, you might want to wait until it's been up long enough for people to have actually read it. Otherwise, it just looks like, you're voting up your own post.

Sarah--- If you've taken the time to review my "page" (and you ADMIT YOU DID) then you've surely seen that my most recent posts before today have concerned: (1) the adopted girl from China with no hands who won a penmanship award (extraordinary), (2) Spanish King's brutal killing of elephants (act of savagery), (3) George Zimmerman (murderous thug who failed to follow the 911 operator's instructions not to follow the African American teenager holding Skittles and tea, thus resulting in murder of Trayvon Martin), (4) best supermarket --- Whole Foods (for sure).

However, given that you now admit that you went onto my page and could see that these were my most recent posts prior to today, your statement that I "don't comment about anything but immigration" is PATENTLY AND ADMITTEDLY FALSE! Now, your deliberate lies are fully exposed and memorialized through your own posts and admissions. Disgusting!

Angelica,

Oh man, you turned the bold back on. Just when we thought you were doing better.

Trash piling up faster along border with Mexico

Debate rages over Mexico 'spillover violence' in U.S.

Illegal crossings fall at US-Mexico border, but tensions remain high

Miami valedictorian who faced deportation gets to stay - for now

Are Latino voters a missed 2012 opportunity for Republicans?

Obama draws contrast with GOP on immigration, urging pathway to citizenship

AP source: Admin. plans change in immigration rule

Suspect booked in connection with LA arsons

Arizona sheriff violates civil rights of Latinos, Justice Department says

High court to look at state immigration laws

US proposes unmanned border crossing with Mexico

Alabama lawmakers to change tough immigration law

Justice Department warns Alabama law enforcers on immigration

McCain: Hispanic vote 'up for grabs'

Immigrants trickling back to Alabama despite crackdown

In school sex scandal, parents fear deportation if they talk

20 years for illegal immigrant in DUI crash that killed nun

Fla. teenage crash survivor won't be deported

Cost of Alabama immigration law disputed

22 Carnival Cruise passengers robbed at gunpoint on ship-sponsored tour in Mexico

Phew, good thing it's a slow day at work, anyway, that's just through this passed December. I couldn't find one NOT about immigration until January of 2012. Not to mention, you say the same things everytime, and they're all really vitriolic and wordy.

I suggest Zanax, but that's up to you.

SO...relatively speaking, YOU DON"T COMMENT ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN IMMIGRATION.

Now, what are your thoughts on somethings pertaining to THIS article (OTHER THEN IMMIGRATION).

Sarah--- Please don't interpret my refusal to further respond to your FALSE and INANE posts as anything other than a wholesale rejection of your misrepresentations and intellectually-dishonest, inane banter.

Angelica,

So you aren't going to answer me about what your thoughts are pertaining to THIS article, OTHER then immigration????

Okie dokie. Hey, at least you were able to insult me in less then five sentences that time, right??? You're improving, but what did I tell you about waiting to vote up your own stuff?

Sarah - Great job but what do you bet it was all lost on her?

Hilarious!! You two could honestly do a comedy act! Really great stuff here! Angelica, Sarah's right about the Xanex although you may want to look into some wellbutrin because you seem... how should I put it... disturbed.

Sarah, I think I love you... Keep up the good fight...

You guys have already been told the Truth, but you dismiss it.

The Youth Vote belongs to the one candidate who isn't lying to your face.

Ron Paul 2012

Fred,

How much is the government providing and to how many?

You'd think anyone with a little common sense would realize that Ron Paul isn't going to be the Republican nominee, and theoretical match ups are meaningless outside the imaginary world in which Libertarianism actually works.

An open letter to Senator Chuck Grassley;

Mr. Grassley, I'd refer to you as "my" Senator, but lately you've made it obvious that is no longer the case. The most recent example of that was only yesterday. It bothers you that attention is being turned to the shadowy, quasi-legal lobbying group ALEC. That doesn't surprise me because there's a lot to be concerned about from your point of view, what with sunlight being the best disinfectant. http://www.alecexposed.com/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

Nonetheless, we still live in a world where businesses are not obligated to pay tolls to the Conservative Movement. As such Coca-Cola has reevaluated their participation in the American Legislative Exchange Conference and has decided not to give further corporate money to that arm of the Kochtopus. Bully for them, as there are plenty of LEGITIMATE lobbyists who can help make their point in state legislatures and Congress. http://www.examiner.com/article/coca-cola-ends-ties-to-conservative-law-writers?CID=obinsite

I guess that isn't good enough for you, Chuck. In your thinking companies are OBLIGATED to pay financial tribute to the GOPTP. You're urging constituents to boycott the brand just because your buddies in the Conservative Movement will no longer get their tribute payment from the corporate profits of Coke. Never mind that Coca-Cola has privately-owned bottling plants in Iowa. Never mind that they're a solid, long-standing corporate citizen here and a significant employer. Never mind that the local owner of Coke bottling has deep roots in YOUR home. http://www.examiner.com/article/grassley-suggests-coca-cola-boycott

I have a different idea, Chuck...how about if your constituents consider your history of favoring Conservative lobbying groups over the interests of your constituents the next time you're up for election?

John B: This prime space is just for you. Great Letter! Looking at Grassley's comments, I'm thinking Grassley is the stupid one.

Ron Indiana

John B: This prime space is just for you. Great Letter! Looking at Grassley's comments, I'm thinking Grassley is the stupid one.

Ron & John B what else could he be? He is in essence cutting off funding for the right wing's graviy train. He should know that's a No, No.

Thanks for saving a spot under the shade tree Ron, I figured you would be OK coming back later to find me here. As you know ALEC has been a pet issue of mine for a while now...mostly because they aren't ONE issue, instead touching on every aspect of our lives as Americans. It looks as though a lot of others are starting to pick up on that as well;

It shows the potency of the tremendous grassroots outpouring of objection to ALEC’s agenda and ALEC’s procedures, where corporate lobbyists and politicians actually vote behind closed doors on these proposed model legislation without the press or public present on this extreme agenda. And groups like Color of Change and others have really helped spearhead a breakthrough here on ALEC, based in part in the work we’ve done through ALEC Exposed to expose these bills and help connect the dots between the corporations, the politicians and this extraordinarily extreme agenda.

But I also think it’s a PR maneuver by ALEC to try to keep its donors and try to have the press move along, because, quite frankly, ALEC’s broader agenda, which it calls its jobs agenda, is extraordinarily extreme itself. For example, one of its bills would cut off your right to sue if your loved one, if your spouse or your child, is killed by a drug that was approved by the FDA, even if that drug was later recalled. And so, their agenda is not just about making it harder for American citizens to vote, and it’s not just about pushing these—the NRA agenda to dramatically expand traditional self-defense rules so that you have shoot-first or kill-at-will laws. Instead, their agenda is actually extreme on all sorts of measures.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/18/alec_drops_push_for_voter_id

John B, terrific letter to old Chuck. Good old Grassley who put the individual mandate in health care and then criticized it as unconstitutional--what a stand up guy he is NOT.

I'd like to wish Sen. Grassley good luck with that Coca-Cola boycott---he'll need it. My guess is that companies signed on to ALEC because they thought it would push issues like tariffs, corporate tax rates, labor laws, etc. That would be bad enough but a common business goal. They probably were surprised to find out they were funding stand your ground and transvaginal probe laws as well.

Meet the Media Companies Lobbying Against Transparency

by Justin Elliott, ProPublica

News organizations cultivate a reputation for demanding transparency, whether by suing for access to government documents, dispatching camera crews to the doorsteps of recalcitrant politicians, or editorializing in favor of open government.

Dozens of televisions display a political advertisement with the image of former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. Companies that own the biggest journalistic outlets in the country are fighting a measure to post political ad data online. (Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images) But now many of the country's biggest media companies — which own dozens of newspapers and TV news operations — are flexing their muscle in Washington in a fight against a government initiative to increase transparency of political spending.

The corporate owners or sister companies of some of the biggest names in journalism — NBC News, ABC News, Fox News, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Politico, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and dozens of local TV news outlets — are lobbying against a Federal Communications Commission measure to require broadcasters to post political ad data on the Internet.

As we have recently detailed, political ad data is public by law but is not widely accessible because it is currently kept only in paper files at individual stations. The FCC has proposed fixing that by requiring broadcasters to post on the Internet details of political ad purchases including the identity of the buyer and the price.

(ProPublica has been inviting readers and other journalists to send in the files to be posted as part of our Free the Files project.)

Over the past few months, several major media companies have dispatched top executives or outside lobbyists to the FCC to oppose the proposed rule or to push a watered down version, disclosure filings show. (The FCC is voting on the issue April 27.)

Among them are:

In a speech this week at the National Association of Broadcasters convention in Las Vegas, FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski excoriated the broadcasters as working "against transparency and against journalism."

The industry's opposition to the transparency proposal has sometimes been heated. In filings submitted to the FCC in January and March,Allbritton Senior Vice President Jerald Fritz raised the specter of "'Soviet-style' standardization" of ad sales if political ad files are required to be put online in a single format.

In a February meeting with the FCC, Walt Disney executives complained about the "logistics and burden" of putting the political ad information online.

That same month, executives from Disney along with NBC and News Corp argued in a meeting with FCC officials that posting the political ad file would allow "competitors in the market and commercial advertisers [to] anonymously glean highly sensitive pricing data."

Television stations must by law must offer political candidates the lowest rates on ads. Broadcasters have argued that by making this information available online and not just at stations, it would hurt their ability to negotiate with other advertisers.

Advocates for the online disclosure rule have countered that the political ad information is already public by law and the measure would simply make the existing disclosure rules relevant for the Internet age. They have also pointed out that keeping paper files in electronic form should actually be more efficient for stations.

Albritton, NBC, and Walt Disney did not respond to requests for comment on the FCC chairman's charge that they have positioned themselves "against transparency and against journalism." News Corp. declined to comment.

Some media companies have also pushed a watered down proposal to post only some of the public political ad data, and to put it up on individual station websites instead of on a central FCC website.

Washington lawyers representing the other companies fighting the rule — Barrington Broadcasting, Belo, Cox, Dispatch, E.W. Scripps, Gannett, Hearst, Meredith Broadcasting, Post-Newsweek Stations, Raycom Media, and Schurz Communications — lobbied FCC officials in February, March, and again this week.

The group suggested that instead of putting the full, itemized political ad data online, stations would post aggregate data once a week.

"What we were saying is, if you want the public to be informed about what's being bought at what price, maybe there's a simpler way to do it,"Mary Jo Manning, an attorney representing the group, told ProPublica. "Transparency is giving people information that is useful."

But when the FCC pressed the group for details on its plan, the stations said they opposed posting even the aggregate data in a single format prescribed by the FCC. They also opposed posting the data on a central FCC website, saying they wanted to post the limited data only on the stations' own websites. If enacted, both of those stances would make it more difficult to get and analyze the data.

Since there is a one-week sunshine period ahead of FCC votes, today is the last day that interested parties will be able to lobby the commission before its public meeting April 27.

• News Corporation, which owns the Wall Street Journal and Fox News
• Walt Disney, which owns ABC News and ESPN
• NBCUniversal, which is owned by Comcast and includes NBC News
• Allbritton, which owns several TV stations and Politico
• Gannett Broadcasting, a division of Gannett, which owns USA Today
• Post-Newsweek Stations, the broadcast division of the Washington Post Company
• Belo Corp, which owns 20 TV stations
• Cox Media Group, which owns the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the Austin American-Statesman, and other newspapers and TV stations
• Dispatch Broadcast Group, which owns Ohio and Indiana TV stations
• Barrington Broadcasting Co., which owns several television stations around the country
• The E.W. Scripps Company, which owns TV stations and newspapers including the Commercial Appeal in Memphis
• Hearst Television Inc., which owns 29 TV stations
• Raycom Media, which owns TV stations
• Schurz Communications, which owns TV Stations and newspapers around the country

© 2012 ProPublica

We constantly hear the whiners on the right complain how the media is too liberal and favor those on the left. Yet here we have a list of the most prominent and powerful companies who are fighting to keep their secrets of how they 'help' political candidates with their messages. This is another example of how corporate America helps undermine the political process through money.

JohnB....great letter. When I saw that piece over the weekend, I thought of you and Jody, and am glad to see you respond. Both of you deserve to have a better Senator than what you have in Grassley.

The good news is, we have a better Senator than Chuck Grassley...his name is Tom Harkin.

The bad news is, they can be relied on to vote opposite each other on most issues.

As an '08 Obama voter and a life-long Democrat, I hope that someone asks Obama at one of the universities that he is planning to visit why he has sold out American college students, the American workforce, and LEGAL immigrants in his wrong-headed push to grant rewards to immigration lawbreakers. Both parties are selling out American citizens and LEGAL immigrants. Romney, at least so far, has pledged to enforce our laws (the most generous immigration laws in the world). We must not permit rewards for immigration lawbreaking, as doing so imposes catastrophic damages upon American citizens, LEGAL immigrants, and American taxpayer resources (which are damaged by lower wages, and thus, lower tax revenues from taxpayers, higher costs for services for ILLEGALS who obtain social welfare benefits and free healthcare all funded by the American taxpayers rather than their lawbreaking employers). This should be patently unacceptable to all of us. We must vote for those who pledge protection of American citizens and LEGAL immigrants and not rewards and the further incentivization of immigration lawbreaking!

Romney really doesn't know whether He's lying or not when He speaks. He (as best He can) just reads from the same old republican script, and gives not a whit of a damn if it's contradictory, or tried and true assbackwardsness. Romney simply thinks He is entitled to be the US President, question or purpose be damned. He is in truth, quite a funny fool. His view of Himself is reinforced by the fact that some .92 of every dollar contributed by the wealthy in this country is going to both his candidacy, and those republican House and Senate members up for reelection. Republicans present a large, and very legible "bullseye" this cycle for us democrats. Hell, even Huntsman is ashamed of 'em. We must do our "due diligence" as voters, and put these purveyors of ignorance, self indulgence, and ruinous political whimsey, back into those asylums from which so many were carelessly paroled.

AngelicaS - did you write that from the GOP talking points, because none of it is true. And, there is no way you're a Democrat or you'd know the lies you are posting.

Not at all SeekingSanity--- I am a registered Democrat (although I likely will not be voting for the Democrats for the first time ever in 2012). What exactly are you referring to when you state "none of it is true". What did I say that you don't believe is true???

As eloquently stated by Vernon M. Briggs Jr., Cornell University Emeritus Professor of Industrial and Labor Relations:

Illegal immigration disproportionately and adversely affects the economic wellbeing of the most vulnerable and needy segment of nation’s labor force: its low skilled workers (both those who are native-born and foreign-born). Indirectly, it corrodes the efficacy of the already weak system of employment standards the nation has for the protection of its most precious national resource: its labor force. Directly, it breeds cynicism by legally employable workers that their government does not care about the unfairness of the conditions that they must confront when they have to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs; it causes hardship by depressing wages and reducing employment opportunities for legally employable American workers; and, lastly, it fosters circumstances that
tolerate worker exploitation of the illegal immigrants themselves in the labor market.

@AngelicaS #2.10: This President has deported more illegal's than all his predecessors combined. While I have mixed feelings about that, especially since I know the "Hispanic" people to be some of the hardest working, and best behaved people living in this country, I cannot allow you to so capriciously blame the President, and those immigrants, for claims you cite. If you really are a lifelong democrat (which I do not believe) and feel this way, I suggest you consider some emotional counseling.

Mac-- -I don't really care what you beileve--- you can believe your own lies if you elect to do so. Many Democrats are turned off. Further, while, I undertand that Obama has deported many ILLEGAL immigrants in his first few years, within the last year, if you've watched the news, he also instructed ICE Chairman Morton not to deport ILLEGALS who have been identified and are in custody unless they commit additional criminal activity. Further, you'll know that the deportation numbers dropped in the last quarter of 2011 as a result of Obama's unilateral amnesty agenda (which is contrary to Congressional enactment a/k/a the LAW).

Although I am a Democrat, I am not a Democratic robot like you. I speak and have an allegiance to the TRUTH above party afffiliation (you should try it sometime).

Further, I am not sure why you focus on "Hispanics". I didn't mention Hispanics--- you did. And, I certainly don't equate being Hispanic with being ILLEGAL, as you wrongly have. There are millions of Hispanic Americans who also want for our immigration laws to be enforced. Further, LEGAL immigrants want our immigration laws enforced, as they waited the wait, paid a high price, went through a background check, waited their turn, to get here. ILLEGAL immigration is DEVASTATING to working class Americans--- particularly minorities and LEGAL immigrants! Shame on you!

It's obviously an important enough issue to Angelica for her to engage in comment spamming...

@AngelicaS#2.15: I focused on Hispanics since they are the largest immigration population, and probably specifically whom you were referencing, especially since you brought up "social welfare, and free healthcare benefits" which are basic "tea party" talking points. Suffice it to say Angelica, I believe both your "Professor Emeritus Briggs", and yourself to be either conjecturing, or, more probably, out and out lying.

Mac-- I am focused on ILLEGAL immigrants (irrespective of nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc)--- not immigrants and not Hispanics--- RATHER---- ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. You should really be able to substantiate your own offensive attacks before making false statements and conclusions about someone else!

1. As reported by the Miami Herald Editorial Board reported on February 14, 2010, and I quote:

Caring for undocumented residents cost Jackson $150 million last year, about as much as it received from the voter approved half-penny sales tax.

(This means that virtually the ENTIRETY of the additional tax paid by South Floridians goes to pay for the healthcare of those who aren't even supposed to be in in the United States. Meanwhile Jackson is on the verge of collapse. This means that American citizens and LEGAL immgrants are in jeopardy of losing
their fail-safe healthare safety-net!!)

2. Also, as posted on the LA County Mayor's website:

January 19, 2011 -- Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich released figures from the Department of Public Social Services showing that in November 2010, $53 million in welfare benefits ($22 million CalWORKs + $31 million in Food Stamps) were issued to parents who reside in the United States illegally and collect benefits for their native-born children in Los Angeles County -- representing an increase of nearly 3 million from November 2009. This amounts to approximately 22% of all CalWORKs and Food Stamp issuances in the County.

In 2009, CalWORKs and Food Stamp issuances to illegals totaled nearly $570 million. Based on the monthly figures in 2010, the total cost for the year will exceed $600 million.

"When you add this to $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year – not including the hundreds of millions of dollars for education," said Antonovich.

3. On April 3, 2011, the Seattle Times reported as follows:

As the state Legislature looks for ways to close a $5 billion budget shortfall, lawmakers are eyeing millions in cuts that could reduce or eliminate services used by illegal immigrants. Washington is projected to spend more than $300 million over the next two years on services illegal immigrants can tap, primarily welfare and health care for children, the seriously ill and pregnant women.

Washington state estimates it will spend more than $300 million over the next two years on services illegal immigrants can tap, not counting K-12 education. A breakdown:

$125 million on health care for 7,400 pregnant women ineligible for Medicaid because of federal restrictions.

$73 million on welfare for children. The federal government requires proof that the children are here legally, but not their parents. This program also can't be changed.

$59 million for medical and dental coverage for 25,000 children from low-income families ineligible for Medicaid because they can't prove they are here legally.

$24 million for kidney dialysis and cancer treatment for 1,300 low-income people ineligible for Medicaid because they can't prove they are here legally.

$15 million for in-state tuition subsidies for students who have lived in Washington
for at least three years. The state does not check legal status.

$5.6 million in nursing-home care for low-income undocumented residents.

4. On September 2, 2011, the Washington Post reported as follows:

The Internal Revenue Service allowed undocumented workers to collect $4.2 billion in refundable tax credits last year, a new audit says, almost quadruple the sum five years ago . . .Wage earners who do not have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work in the United States can use what the IRS calls individual taxpayer identification numbers. Often these result in fraudulent claims on tax returns, auditors found. Their data showed that 72 percent of returns filed with taxpayer identification numbers claimed the child tax credit. The audit recommended that the IRS seek clarification on the law and check the immigration status of filers with taxpayer indentificaion numbers.

PULL YOUR BRAIN OUT OF YOUR TUSH!

John B, MAC, GBM -- Great posts.

Angela - You've posted the same thing over and over on this site. Why? Don't you think we notice?

And, you shouldn't be calling people names since you seem lock-step with the GOP - who certainly have no history of telling the truth. Still not believing you're a Democrat or an Independent. If you were anything but a Republican you'd remember that President Obama has been far more severe to illegals than Bush ever was. In fact, Bush/McCain proposed an amnesty forward program to help illegals become legal.

Illegal immigrants are not even remotely devasting to working Americans as they do the jobs American would not do - like working in the fields to pick produce.

Illegal immigrants are not even remotely devasting to working Americans as they do the jobs American would not do - like working in the fields to pick produce.

Except maybe some of those ~7 million non-agricultural jobs held by illegal aliens.

Thanks Obama!!! This is change you can really believe in!

Don't worry kids, president Obama is going to leave you a world with endless possibilities:

The possibility for a nuclear war launched by North Korea!

The ever growing possibility of economic collapse due to the highest national debt the U.S. has ever known!

The possibility that you will pay 10-20 dollars a gallon at the pump!

The possibility that drug lords from Mexico armed with thousands of U.S. government provided guns will invade your town!

The possibility that you will not be able to get a decent job no matter how hard you study!

The possibility for a nuclear armed Iran which deploys American drones!

The possibility that America will fall out of the space race for decades to come!

And just for the heck of it, the possibility that you will see with your own eyes an American president bowing to a Saudi King, again!

So thank Obama kids!

Seeking Sanity (It is evident that you aren't seeking sanity). You are extremely simple-minded. I don't believe that I EVER said that I agreed with anything Bush did--- to the contrary. Whenever I post something (irrespective of whether it's been posted previously), at least it's the TRUTH. So, I really don't care if you notice or not.

Further, we can all see that you support a blackmarket laborforce by which the American taxpayers are being forced to subsidize the lawbreaking business profiteers by granting them corporate welfare in the form of healthcare and other benefits for the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS. When businesses partake in the BLACKMARKET LABORFORCE only the lawbreakers profit--- they are being subsidized by American taxpayers and the true costs of their goods are shifted onto the backs of the American taxpayers. Further, the lawbreakers are able to out-compete the lawabiding businesses. Although you approve of this ILLEGAL LABOR SCHEME--- most Democrats and Republicans are against it, I assure you! And, further, it's only in your mind that the hundreds of billions of dollars being diverted from the U.S. and State treasuries to finance the BLACKMARKET LABOR FORCE that you champion and pay social welfare benefits to them isn't harmful--- only in your mind!

Mac - don't confuse Angelica with facts - she just hates those. She just appears to spout the same lies over and over again - knowing full well there is no truth to them. Sad but not unexpected. The truth really hurts the GOP.

Let's get the young people registered to vote during the May Day festivities -- well except in Florida where's it's illegal to register voters...

Huntsman said he regrets his decision to oppose a 10-to-1 spending cuts to tax increase deal to cut the deficit at the Iowa debate lamenting: ‘if you can only do certain things over again in life.’”

Yep, those who voted for you are having second thoughts also.

But yet, "SeekingSanity" #2.24--- You fail to identity ANYTHING whatsoever that I've said that is false. As you can see above, I provided you with excerpts from reputable news sources (like the Washington Post, The Miami Herald, LA County public information, the Seattle Tims. These aren't "my" facts. They were ascertained by Journalists! You're the LIAR!

AWESOME POSTS YOU GUYS!!!

Naw, just kidding. You circle jerker FAKE liberals disgust me.

Seriously, how come Obama hasn't brought The Troops Home yet?

Oh yeah, the republican war hawks.... lols....

Angelica, don't bother. These are the "Soldiers in The Mist".... they can't remember yesterday. If you prove something to them today, with supporting links, tomorrow in another thread they will be demanding proof again.

They refuse to be honest with themselves or anybody else.

Sad, really.

Remember "End The Wars"???

Remember "Question Authority"

Remember "Bring The Troops Home"?

I liked those Liberals. The ones here? (mostly) They're a bunch of FAKES.

End The Wars, Bring our Troops Home.

Liberals for Ron Paul 2012

Great analogy Independent. If politics were baseball, Romney wouldn't be a player, he'd be sitting in the owners box, suggesting to him he cut the benefits of the snack bar personal and direct the "savings" to install cushier seating in the VIP box.

Great post IR. Mittens has clearly demonstrated that what he's gained in personal fortune he lacks in personal character.

Very nice!

Good analogy, IR, especially since Romney was born on third base but goes around telling everyone he hit a triple to get there. He likes to consider himself a self-made man. Well, I have news for him---anyone whose father was head of a major auto company, governor of a state, Cabinet official and candidate for President didn't start from nothing. A person who attended an exclusive prep school and obtained TWO degrees from Harvard isn't a rags-to-riches story.

And so, another week begins- one that will be even worse for Obama than last week.

Last week,you might recall, was dominated by the GSA scandal, the Secret Service Scandal, the "unexpected" spike in initial claims for unemployment,(you know it's bad when the media explains that the numbers declined by 2000 only because the prior week was adjusted up by 8000.  They usually like to ignore such pesky details), and Jim Treacher discovering, after all this time, that Obama, as a young, upper middle class kid in Indonesia, a Muslim country, (where dog is illegal except for one or two tiny islands far from where the Soeteros  lived), had eaten dog- then bragged about it as an adult-in his  book, which he wrote and narrated.  (I wonder if this is proof that Obama understands the lives and values of "average Americans"?  Hands up- how many of you average Americans have not only eaten a dog- but bragged about it? )  It, therefore, came as no surprise whatsoever when Michael Vick endorsed Obama this weekend.  

Is it any wonder that Obama was loudly booed when he appeared on the Jumbotron at Fenway?  Imagine- Obama booed at Fenway.  It's almost as if a republican had won Kennedy's Senate seat!  Oh.  Wait.

Well, anyway, this week is about to get off with a bang.  First, Joe Manchin, democratic Senator from West Virginia, stats that he has no idea for whom he will vote. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, is it?

Then, THE topic of discussion yesterday was the revelation that Jon Corzine has himself a really nifty get out of jail free card- he bundled over half a million bucks for Obama!  Think ol'Jonny is worried about being indicted?  Think Bernie Madoff is sitting in his cell, kicking himself because HE never thought to do that?  Heck, if Bernie had bundled a couple hundred grand for Obama, he'd have his new Ponzi up and running right now, rather than running from some burly guy who wants to rearrange his teeth.

Corzine, of course, knows full well that, as long as he keeps coughing up the cash, there's no bus waiting for him.  He's safe from prosecution for as long as Obama is president.  Then, there's always a presidential pardon, right?  Poor Bernie- too busy trying to keep the wheels from coming off to realize that all it takes is a dollar and a dream- well, couple hundred thousand dollars in Obama's campaign coffers.  Then, you can commit highway robbery and walk away Scott free.  Just ask Corzine.

Of course, Obama will handle it in his usual, deft manner.  Perhaps he will send forth a lobbyist- like Hilary Rosen- to mock Ann Romney.  Maybe he'll handle it himself- make some remark that gets turned around on him, then claim he was not referring to anyone in particular.  (I have to admit, even I was surprised at Obama's behavior after  making his whining remark about silver spoons. Romney pointed out that, first, he was proud of his father and all he'd accomplished; and, second, what the heck was upwith the President of the United States ripping people who worked hard and succeeded?  Particularly a president who is responsible for making it almost impossible for people to succeed.  Obama's response?  That he was not referring to Romney, I have to wonder- does he think ANYBODY believes that?  I mean, even the cultists who slaver before him know better.)

Of course, Obama did go around telling college kids that if republicans didn't cooperate, the interest on their Stafford loans would double.  What he did not tell them is that it's his party's fault that little bomb is ticking away.   Too bad we don't have something like an independent media to inform people when they are being manipulated like that.  He also told people he wanted an economy that was "fair".  As in, it's not fair that some people make lots of money, and others don't.  Cause, you know, the folks who make millions aren't doing anything like starting companies like Apple in their garages, and growing them exponentially, or anything.  It's just not fair.

"Trust me" hit the discard pile before it even got out the door- because it was greeted with howls of laughter even by the lapdog press.  It joins WTF, I Need More Time To Finish The Job, and a few others I cannot even remember, as "the little campaign phrase that couldn't".   So, he's stuck with "fair".

I guess it beats trying to run on his record.

Independent Redneck Va.

Great point; Romney is a screw ball!!!!

Independent Redneck Va.

Great point; Romney is a screw ball!!!!

Alan, NJ

So, in the two years that Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House what exactly did they do for the Hispanic People of this country?

I guess nobody has told you about that filibuster thing and how the Republicans used it at a rate several times higher than at any time in the past, and how Senate Repub leader Mitch McConnell crowed about denying Obama legitimacy by making Republicans vote as a block against all Obama initiatives regardless of their merit.

The graph in this article shows how Republican filibuster abuse spiked after the Democrats took control of the Senate in 2006. It only got worse after Obama took office.

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/11/chart-day-republicans-and-filibuster

Terrific post, IR.

Reminds me of Mitt at NASCAR telling everyone he has friends who are own NASCAR teams; then criticizing the fans' rain coats.

Oops, there goes a foul ball commonly named No Joe.

Really? More cut 'n pastes from emails, NoJo? You're just too blind, bitter, and ignorant to dream up this crap all by yourself.

Or is it you just have a penchant for black presidents...I mean, Obama DOES seem to reside very deep in your mind, as you devote all your energy to him...It's almost as if you have a crush of sorts...and obsession if you will. But hey, it's cool...

Uh, Houston? Got the name of the immigration bill, the day it was brought up for a cloture vote-

Anything?

Cause, I'm pretty sure Obama was too busy with other nonsense to bother. . .

Great post IR and a perfect analogy. I just finished watching the President speak at the Holocaust Museum and continue to be struck by his sincerity and empathy to those who have lost everything including their lives and how we must always teach our children about these horrific happenings in our world so we never forget. How we must teach our children not to hate and to stand up when we are faced with evil. I couldn't help but think Mitt Romney could not give a speech like that, mainly because he does not have it within him to be sincere and compassionate, he could use the words, but that's all it would be....empty words.

Think he'll give a speech about why Jon Corzine, having embezzled over a billion and a half dollars from farmers and other clients, won't be prosecuted because he bundled over half a million for Obama's campaign?

That's a speech I'd pay money to hear.

clearly no joe does heavy drugs each weekend to come out with her ridiculous posts on Mondays. How sad she's going to be in November. But, she will have yet another four years to spew her hatred of all things Obama. Oh well.

Loved Huntsman's blasting of the GOP. He was the best they had to offer but clearly not radical enough. You also could not push him around which of course the powers that be hated. Too bad - he's actually a good man and a decent politician.

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It's fun watching the Libs with their little blurb like this at the end of their posts. It's almost like they've just gotten done saying a little prayer, and then they say "Amen".

I thought they could not get anymore sycophantic, JS1-until I saw them defending him eating dogs- and bragging about it.

That's when's truly realized that they had zero ability to think for themselves.

Given that level of rationalization, it's no wonder they have nothing to say about Corzine buying his way out of an indictment.

There are still professionals who offer help in deprogramming those who escape from cults. You wonder if they are standing by for after the election.

Whats even more fun, is watching conservatives try to out conservative the other.

By the way no jo: Mittens spent time in France trying to convert a Catholic country. Horsemeat is considered a delicacy in France.

Do you think that Mittens ate poor ol Nellie?

And if so, how safe are the Warmbloods when they cannot win ribbons any more to bolster Mittens and Annie's conceit?

no joe - your stupidity is only overshadowed by your eagerness to show it. President Obama ate dog - as a child under his parents supervision - while living in a country that accepted that practice. Why don't we discuss the things you did as a child - oh wait - the list of stupidity would be WAY too long. The fact that you have to hang onto this item shows how little you have to complain about and what a totally idiotic person you are. The things other countries do that we do not is a long list. As we all know, the President did not do this in the US after he was older. So, how long do you intend to show how incredibly moronic YOU are? Because your constant posting of the dog item says so much more about you than it does our very good President.

As Senator Byrd said on the Senate Floor....

"God created the Dog"

I wonder what he would have said at the prospect of Obama munching on a pooch??

It's B-A-R-B-A-R-I-C!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V95eGgZbrU

no joe, no bo, nj

Uh, Houston? Got the name of the immigration bill, the day it was brought up for a cloture vote-

Uh, nojonobo, ever hear about the DREAM act, backed by both parties until Obama was for it, then they were against it? No, it wasn't comprehensive reform but it was a pretty decent humane piece of legislation backed by Republicans back before they lost their collective minds.

Cause, I'm pretty sure Obama was too busy with other nonsense to bother. . .

Yeah, too busy with nonsense like saving the auto industry and preventing the Bush Recession from turning into the Bush Depression.

On the subject of what Obama's parents fed him when he was a LITTLE kid: A lot of little kids eat bugs, too. nojonob probably still does.

Are the moonbats still claiming that ObamaCare is going to save us money????

Obama has set up an 8 BILLION dollar slush fund so voting seniors won't have their Medicare Avantage Plans cut just weeks before the election as scheduled in the overhaul. Was that 8 Billion included in his estimates? I'm guessing not.

8 BILLION DOLLARS of tax payer money in a bait and switch to get reelected. What a disgrace!

These arguements about Romney and Obama are a bunch of crap. These two candidates are going to give America the same result no matter who gets in. Obama can't ruin on his record and Romney has to lie,lie, lie to win peoples support. The joke is that people are voting for these puppetheads, when they know that they are just propped up.

Smiffy:

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[It's fun watching the Libs with their little blurb like this at the end of their posts. It's almost like they've just gotten done saying a little prayer, and then they say "Amen".]

Kinda like NoJo with "Obama shelved in 2012", right?

Uh oh...dissension in the ranks, or just two asshats contradicting each other...

Sad to think we have post after post attacking Obama for all of his failures. Everyone should give credit where credit is due, Obama does talk a great game. So what do you think Obama will start promising all of the young voters to get them to turn out for him? Free college, free credit card forgiveness, a free home, a free car, or maybe a guaranteed job. Obama has no shame, and even less ability to deliver on ALL of his promises. Nope, this country will be belly up long before Obama has to deliver to anyone other then his cronies. But you can take to the bank, Obama will find someone else to blame.

No Jo - I have to agree with the others, your post focuses on trivial issues and or topics where you incorrectly try to place blame on Obama.

With the exception of the continued cozying up to MF Global, the other things are not worthy to report, these issues were discussed in length last week.

Dog tales, silver spoons, alledged Ann work gate - Trivial. The SS agent scandal and the GSA spending spree can be attributed to no one other than the guilty parties themselves.

I guess nobody has told you about that filibuster thing and how the Republicans used it at a rate several times higher than at any time in the past, and how Senate Repub leader Mitch McConnell crowed about denying Obama legitimacy by making Republicans vote as a block against all Obama initiatives regardless of their merit.

The funny thing about the DREAM act is that it was included in the lame-duck session of 2010 (I guess it wasn't important enough to schedule before then and Hispanics should already have been satisfied with Sotomayor ).

Well, the funny thing is when you check the roll-call for the cloture vote you find that it was defeated 55-41. Now you would normally think that it would be all Democrats on one side and all Republicans on the other. However, it turns out that 3 Republicans voted for it but 5 Democrats voted against it. So, if the Democrats had actually stuck together cloture would have been invoked. So I'll repeat the question, what exactly has the Administration done for the Hispanic People?

Alan...

What "has the Administration done for the Hispanic people ?"

Easy !!! For the past three years Mr. Obama has at times spoken to largely Hispanic audiences and he repeatedly has told them that he wants "comprehensive immigration reform" to a warm round of applause. Of course, he hasn't actually done anything to get this wish for "reform" rolling...but he does roll out the same speech, reads the same lines, and gets the same round of applause for having done so.

No wonder they call it the "Dream" act !

Uh, SS? Indonesia is a MUSLIM country. Dog meat is considered unclean- and is, and was, illegal there- with the exception of some tiny islands peopled by non-Muslims hundreds of miles from where Obama lived with his mother and stepfather.

Nice try.

If you want sanity, you need to seek out a professional who will help you break the shackles of the cult, and allow you to do some thinking for yourself.

And, no, you don't- or you would not be parroting the tripe that dog meat is an accepted food source in Indonesia.

One wonders what Muslim voters make of that trope. I'm betting it's pretty insulting.

Never mind. Keep saying it.

ted -- President Obama cannot run on his record so he will continue to lie, lie, lie as he has done nationally since proclaiming in 2004 that he would absolutely serve a full 6-year term as a Senator from the great State of Illinois. The man cannot be trusted.

in my opinion all politicians lie.

no joe - I keep seeking sanity in the GOP but you, JAS, and others on this site show me over and over again it's just not there.

President Obama ate dog as a child but your stupidity continues as an adult. How sad for your parents that they raised such a moron. And, Mitt, his actions again were as an adult - but we expect no better from him. He has proved it is a fitting candidate for buffoons like you. Not everyone in Indonesia is muslim - keep parroting that idiotcy and you make yourself look just like you are - a moron.

james - keep telling yourself that. You're going to be so sad in November!

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seeking -- I don't have to tell myself that President Obama lies. All one has to do is accept the reality that he does and that he very regularly does so. Once you can accept that he is not perfect and that he in fact lies like all politicians your seeking sanity may become possible.

Good Luck.

The hateful right will regret not giving Huntsman the time of day. I fully believe the GOP might have won this election had they given him a chance. Hell....I wouldn't have puked or felt bad if he had won. I don't believe in anything this new breed of hate mongers/Thurston Howell III and Lovey...are throwing at this once noble country.

Be ever vigilant my progressive/libs. The Gnop will try to steal this election too. Sad that they don't have a Bin Laden to sway the ignorants to their side. Aren't you cons. just a little tired of this trumped up "fear and smear" tactic? Gads...what's the terror alert level at today???? Should I be terrified?? Oooooooops...I forgot..wrong POTUS. The current POTUS took down Bin Laden...and many, many terrorists to boot. Brought about the end of the Iraq war and is winding down the Afghan war.

Joannasmith: Yes it is similar to the GOP/cons. chant and mantra..."drill baby drill". Got a problem with that??? And as I recall....the simpleton Rethugs even had a "flip flop" chortle about John Kerry in 2004. Mind if the Dems/progressive borrow it this election season???? (giggles) Excuse me while I dig out my flip flop earrings and hang my pair of actual flip flop shoes around my neck. Next..I'll don on a hat with tea bags stapled to it. There...now I feel just like you guys!!! lolol

What "has the Administration done for the Hispanic people ?"

When it comes to illegal aliens, including those that are Hispanic he has done a lot!

He has reduced illegal alien deportations (DHS removals and returns) to a 30 year low, and by issuing an executive order granting the DHS "prosecutorial discretion" in illegal alien deportation cases he granted some 300,000 illegal aliens "backdoor amnesty" and eligibility to apply for work permits.

Alan - Have read your comments on overall immigration reform previously agree with some and have some of my own.

Increase number of visas to eliminate amount of undocumented immigrants.

Crack down hard on employeers who game the systems taxation by hiring immigrants.

Continue border security and border patrol but concentrate on violent or immigrants who commit crimes after entry.

Pass the dream act to address those children brought here as youngsters. Provide a temp. guest worker program for some and a pathway for

Regarding dream act votes...

Murkaski R from Alaska and Lugar R from Indiana voted for it. Think one of the R's from Utah did as well, mabye why Hatch is having a hard time in the primary. D- Joe Maunchin missed the vote went on a trip instead. The Democrats weak kneed blue dog coalition like Ben Nelson Neb, Max Bauchas, Jon Tester Mont., Mark Pryor Ark, Corbin ND. didn't have the stones to vote for it.

Fearing election they voted against it. Funny even those that were retiring anyway still voted against it. Believe me if the Democrats all stood united and needed those two or three votes Republican votes they would have vanished.

Just like Reid was too scared to bring it up before the 2010 election those Republicans would have been too scared to vote for it. All of these votes are calculated beforehand, everyone knows what will and won't pass gamesmanship pure and simple.

In the meantime, because the legislative bodies can't do their job nothing gets done to attempt to resolve or address this issue.

james - as I've said so often, I'm seeking sanity in the GOP but you, no joe, JAS and others continue to show me it is hopeless - there is no sanity in the GOP. Anyone who is leaning toward Republican should never say the word "lie" considering it is all the GOP does - day after day. And Romney, he can't even stick to one lie - he changes his as often as he changes his socks!

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SeekingSanity: The proverbial golden egg the republicans have historically always crowed about is really a turd from a jaundiced chicken of questionable orgin.

@Dog

Scary to think I agreed with Sessions that the educational criteria was too broad. It has to be a at least a four accredited college, possibly with a specified GPA.

The military I think is fine. Anybody who is willing to serve at the moment, unlike some native-born citizens who took college money and then complained when the @!$%# hit the fan, should be granted citizenship after two years of service. There should be no need for any other criteria. If the military does not weed out criminals or other undesirables then their vetting should be looked at.

The condition I think should be imposed, and is the hardest from a family point of view, is that DREAM citizens should not be able to sponsor any other family members. I only say this because I want to remove all incentives for coming here illegally in the first place.

Rick #'s -- What the President is doing is fighting to keep interest rates low on student loans. LOANS are not free handouts. Republicans are busy trying to fight for higher interest rates on those loans. WTF is wrong with them? Since you are obviously a republican maybe you can explain to me why saddling these kids with compounding interest that will run in the thousands of dollars over the course of the loan is a good thing. Let's hear it, Rick.

seeking -- your gross generalizations aside.

would you agree that President Obama is a liar?

remember his 500+ campaign promises? after more than 3 years in office these promises are rated at 34% kept. Let me help, that means about 2 of every 3 promises he made to voters he has failed to keep. Was he lying when he made these many promises? Was he to naive and inexperienced to know better (after all Mr. Biden did ask if we wanted a president that would need OJT).

I think it is fair to say that President Obama is a superb politician with an extremely loyal following in certain segments of the population and at the same time is extremely adept at lying to our face when it is to his political advantage.

so do republican politicians lie -- absolutely.

do democrat politicians lie -- absolutely.

it is not one-sided as so many of your like-minded posters on this site seem to think that it is.

whether you gain sanity is up to you but you should at least acknowledge the reality

james - President Obama was obstructed by the GOP at every turn when he tried to accomplish his goals. I will admit all politicians say things they sometimes can't get accomplished but as for lies go - the GOP has a corner on that market - especially Romney. He can't even remember what lie he's supposed to be pushing from one stop to another.

Again, I keep seeking sanity in the GOP but there is absolutely none to be found.

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Oh, I dunno james...that's nearly double the 18% "promises kept" return on 2010 Republican votes...and Republicans only made 57 promises. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/gop-pledge-o-meter/

Seeeking sanity.....

Sorry, laughing, had to catch my breath...

Dude!!!!!! (Or Maybe Dudette, who can tell)

Anyways.... Why is it you always disagree with people by calling them names? (ignorant, stupid, etc.)

Why do you never try to debate people HONESTLY, or INTELLECTUALLY.

Why is it that you never have anything OF SUBSTANCE to say?

I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself and the ideas that you believe in. If you are solid in your beliefs, then please use the knowledge of your beliefs that you hold, and make your argument FOR the thing you believe in. Use facts and reason.

Otherwise, you're just a Troll.

Seriously dude.

Ooops! Sorry spelling police. "buy" should be "by". Me Bad! Please forgive!

Ooh! Ooh! Can I answer?

The Republican Party has given themselves over so thoroughly to the radical, Conservative fringe that they resemble the Party of Lincoln in name only.

The same thing is happening to Lugar in Indiana. He has a Tea Toy party asshat, Mourdock, running against him. Indiana has an open Republican primary,so, I'll be voting for Lugar(R) and Gingrich in the primary May 8th and then a straight Democratic ballot in November. ;-)

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Whats it say for Obama when members of his own party cannot be counted on to endorse him- or even commit to voting for him?

See Senator Manchin over the weekend.

How about a better question- what does it say for Obama when he's booed at Fenway Park?

I'll give you a hint- it ain't good.

What does it say for you, No Joe, that you come to this site every day, dripping sarcasm and derision about President Obama, heap more derision on our hosts here, never have anything positive to say about anyone on the right and don't even start your own threads because no one would pay any attention to them?

It says that not everyone is a mindless obot minion who would defend Obama no matter how bad he is failing!

Steeler, NoJo has an unhealthy obsession over Obama...maybe even a secret crush?

It says that No Joe Schools you Libs here every day so you have to resort to name calling and whining. Led by your "queen' , none of you have the chops to debate No Joe, so you turn into third graders.

Start a thread? Why bother, you and your plebs would just collapse it like you do with most dissenting opinions.

ow, lookey there, Little mickey is talking about "crushes". Kind of like a third grade girl.

Unhealthy, there Mouse? Kind of like vowing to walk over coals for the man?

none of you have the chops to debate No Joe

It'd help if No Joe posted anything remotely debatable.

Youre right, Ruken- there's no debate.

The economy stinks, unemployment is rising again- or, maybe, it will stay staic, and another couple hundred thousand people will hit the lottery-the Iranians are reverse engineering the drone they downed- which they would not return, even after Obama said "pretty please", and they are still building a nuclear bomb. So are the North Koreans- so, that failed, too.

And Obama eats dogs. There no debate about that. He bragged about it in his book- the one he wrote about himself. The one for which he won a Grammy for reading. He ate dog as a child- yes. An upper middle class child in a Muslim country where it was illegal. But, still he was a child when he was, in his words, "introduced" to it.

He was a fully fledged adult when he bragged about it.

Hands up all here who would do that. Ah, the cult members.

Hide your puppies, people. The Obamabots are coming for them. Unlike zombies, they are not chanting "brains"- theirs is "dogs!"

WCA---I can only speak for myself, but I don't vote to collapse people---I think it is better for their words to stand out and let everyone read them and see what they tell us about the character of the person posting and the cause they support.

Why would anyone choose to debate No Joe---her well-earned reputation for dishonesty stays with her.

Mickey----unhealthy obsession is exactly correct. Sad to carry around such hatred.

And Obama eats dogs. There no debate about that. He bragged about it in his book- the one he wrote about himself.

In Indonesia. I ate rabbit in China, does that mean I'm disallowed to have pet bunnies because I might get hungry?

the Iranians are reverse engineering the drone they downed- which they would not return, even after Obama said "pretty please", and they are still building a nuclear bomb. So are the North Koreans- so, that failed, too.

So what would you like? Us to just bomb the sh*t out of another country or two?

Ah, isn't that cute? WCA rushes to the defense of no jo.

Makes sense; the only thing they offer is a constant and daily DEMAND that this country fail economically. More important to be "right" than loyal to country.

Mickey: I believe the President Obama reminds no jo of the jock in school that never asked her to prom.

There is just too much personal animosity to make it about policy.

Her latest obsession with "puppies" shows what she is. She can't see the difference between a nine year old, in a foreign country, with habits different than ours eating what he is given, as all nine year olds must, and an ADULT using the poor judgment that Mittens did to put a dog on the roof of the car for transport. Nor does it bother her that the only reason Mittens wouldn't do it again, is because it drew too much negative attention. Not that it was morally wrong, putting both the dog and other motorists in danger.

Makes you wonder how they transport the six figure Warmbloods, or what they do with them when they can no longer compete.

Poor WhiteCollarCriminal...I'm surprised you're here. You're usually hiding behind Spanky's skirt on these issues...but don't fret, little troll...your BFF will be along shortly...

Hey, question for you...just how much DID you benefit from Obama bailing out the auto industry? Inquiring monds want to know...

All of this debate over who eats what animal has suddenly given me a hankering for some Kung Pao Chicken.

Steeler. you folks constantly beat this damn drum of Dishonesty, but never have anything to back it up.

I have been told I lie here all the time. Every time someone calls me out I ask them to prove it and they go away. Not one single time has someone backed up their claim.

But since you folks have "Claimed" it enough, people like you make comments that I have a reputation for being dishonest.

Here is a hint for all the Libs. Just because you disagree with someone, it does not mean they are lying.

Whatever, most of you have your heads in the sand anyway. The winds of real change are blowiing now.

Ruken, dear, there's this little piece of technology that Obama was told to use- it would have destroyed the drone.

Obama did not act in time, because, first, he did not believe they actually had it, second, because he believed it would be "antagonistic".

The man's an idiot.

Ruken, dear, there's this little piece of technology that Obama was told to use- it would have destroyed the drone.

Obama did not act in time, because, first, he did not believe they actually had it, second, because he believed it would be "antagonistic".

The man's an idiot.

Yea I heard Obama was driving the drone at the time too, because he does everything when it comes to the Armed Forces.

Hes the commander in chief, Ruken. That means he gives the orders.

He never seems to have a problem giving orders to zap people with drones, now, does he? It's caused quite the little bit of disquiet among liberals- that he's summarily executed so many people in foreign lands.

You've heard about that, right? Funny how it never comes up.

"It's caused quite the little bit of disquiet among liberals..."

Source?

Hey, look, it's my girl Mickey.

Again with nothing to add. Such a shame.

But that's Ok, Feisty, or New Day will be along shortly to bail you out.

You gals need to stick together.

And there it is... getting "schooled" from the libs is hard for you, isn't WCA? I realize that it happens every day you show up, and the only thing you have as a comeback is a personal attack. I do enjoy your discomfort.

Now, is this where you disappear off the thread...or will you comeback with another personal attack?

Either which way, you will still look silly.

But that's Ok, Feisty, or New Day will be along shortly to bail you out.

Nahhh!

Captian Kickass Mickey is doing a mighty fine job all by himself...

Must suck to realize you're NO where near his league... eh... Otis?

PS: You really should wait until your BFF arrives - right now you have no where to run to & no where to hide! lol

PPS: As for debating the nut job from NJ - I don't make it a habit of conversing with door-knobs... ;o)

See Mickey, I told you your girlfriends would be here to cover for you.

I do love how you girls always stick together.

New Day, you ned to point out anywhere that I made a personal attack.

Your girl Mickey, does however, regularly call me a criminal. Some would construe that as a personal attack and I am pretty sure I would not have to look to deep to find some personal attacks by you against me.

Once again you are lying, but I don' expect you like any of the other Libs here to back it up.

Cuz this is usually where you cut and run.

Naaahhhh, she says as she comes running to her rescue!

You just can't make this stuff up.

Isn't that even cuter? Now poor WCA can't even discern what his own posts say and why they are a personal attack! So sad, but funny just the same.

You did exactly what I said you would do, WCA, which must irritate you mightily. Let's see, what's next in your usual arsenal...more personal attacks..."the treehouse gang" (I do know how friendships amongst libs annoy the heck out of you) another claim that you, poor fellow are accused of lying, for no earthly discernible reason?

Or that libs are afraid of you and abandon threads, because gee, you are just so doggoned smart?

Hmm, quite the conundrum...how will you get out of this...?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Or not, you are quite predictable.

noid -- so a sitting US Senator gathers 59% of the vote. A landslide it would seem. The rules laid out by the Utah GOP are pretty stringent. Failing to get 60% is probably not what Hatch wanted but securing 59% would suggest that he is in good shape.

seems as though you and others on the left are grasping for bad news if this is the result of your search.

Hes the commander in chief, Ruken. That means he gives the orders.

You think that Obama gives every single order for every single action that each of the Armed Forces take?

Let's see, what's next in your usual arsenal...

The victim card...

WHAAAA!

Must be, Feisty. That's all he has. Well, that and getting "too busy" to respond.

[Steeler. you folks constantly beat this damn drum of Dishonesty, but never have anything to back it up. I have been told I lie here all the time. Every time someone calls me out I ask them to prove it and they go away. Not one single time has someone backed up their claim.]

WhiteCollarCriminal and NoJo,

You both embellish and leave out key relevant parts of your "stories", and you do this knowingly. In Kindergarten we all learned that when you do this intentionally, it is lying. Unless you aren't doing this intentionally, in which case it just makes you ignorant...

...please tell us you're not ignorant...WCA? NoJo?

[But since you folks have "Claimed" it enough, people like you make comments that I have a reputation for being dishonest.]

WCA, your reputation is your own, and you alone are responsible for it. You, NoJo, Smiffy and SPanky have the reputation for being dishonest because you ARE dishonest.

You created your reputation here...now you must deal with the realities of that reputation.

Once again the dork from NJ tries to turn lies to facts. The drone had its communications disabled by jamming conducted by the Iranians, that is how it got off course in he first place. No tell me, prey genius, how were they supposed to initiate the self destruct? When you figure it out, please press your own button so you can save us having to suffer your future hatred and lies. WhiteCollarCriminal, for future reference, what she tried with this, is a LIE. A lie of omission. It was a dishonest attack on Obama by a mind to narrow to know how to conduct a proper attack.

no joe - you truly are pathetic. The dog story was not "bragged" about by Obama. He just told it as part of his childhood. But, of course, you just hang on that don't you? What small, menial people you and JAS are. But, you're good for a laugh. You've been posting this drivel for the past three weeks because it's all you've got. Says a lot about you!

Mitts, however, was an adult when he put his dog on top the car! Totally different story!

Mickey, we expect no better from no joe, JAS or WCA.

Obama/Biden 2012

SS- Obama eats dogs.

Deal with it.

Mitts, however, was an adult when he put his dog on top the car! Totally different story!

You think Seamus would rather be on the roof of Romney's car or the roof of Obama's mouth?

BARBARIC!

SS- Obama eats dogs.

Here honey, let me correct that for ya;

President Obama ATE dog as a child...

You deal with it! lol

One more time Mickey and New Day.

You did exactly what I said you would do

You really don't see the irony in that comment do you New day?

Let's see if you ladies can come up with one statement to back up your assertions.

I know you can't, or you would have by now.

That is why you should just go away. You have no credibility here, except amongst your equally misinformed followers.

Keep working the Saul alinsky playbook though.

You wear it well.

SS- Obama eats dogs.

Deal with it.

Apparently that means "Ruken eats bunnies" because I had one once in China.

By the way we got to pick out which one we wanted to eat beforehand. You get to see your meal alive before you eat it.

An interesting experience, to say the least.

[Again with nothing to add. Such a shame.]

So, WCA... care to answer the question regarding just how you benefitted from Obama bailing out the auto industry? Or will you just continue to show your ignorance and use the stale "Spanky Deflect" of referring to me as a female? In that case, how does it feel to constantly get your ass handed to you by females?

For the record, I call you WhiteCollarCriminal because you took the bailout money, in some form or another, right WCA?

Yeah, you know I'm right...so how about you come clean and explain just how the auto bailout benefitted you personally?

You can't...you won't...(god I love saying that!)

It's simple, I know...you don't have the stones...

Sure WCA: The Saul Alinsky playbook? Really? And of course that would be a term of endearment and not a personal attack right?

I suspect that you don't even know who Alinsky is.

You just aren't getting anywhere, are you WCA? So what's next...references to the"treehouse gang" because you just aren't welcome there, or more personal attacks?

By the way, I'm about to call your buddy no jo out for her post on MN voting...because she is LYING about it.

Well Mickey, I never got a check from the Government so I guess I didn't benefit from the Bailout.

I am however on the hook with the rest of the taxpayers for what looks like a $25 Billion dollar hit from the Governments acquisition of GM stock.

You can't...you won't..

Again with the irony.

Still got nothing , eh New Day?

[That is why you should just go away. You have no credibility here, except amongst your equally mis0informed followers.]

WCA? Unable to answer the question, or just unwilling:

How did you benefit from the auto bailouts?

P.S....I'm not going anywhere...it is your credibility that is in question...you, NoJo, Smiffy and Spanky...it is you who are the liars here, not me. If you don't want to be classified as such, then just don't lie about things...you're smarter than that, right WCA?

Please tell us you're smarter than that...

Or are you just one of the "I'm jus doing it to you because you did it to Bush" crowd?

If that's the case, well, then your ignorance is blinding.

No Joe: Your obvious obsession with Obama is unhealthy. I recommend you match his support numbers against Wooden Mitt's and then try to imagine the resounding boos emanating from the crowd at Feway when they flash his photo on the big screen. He doesn't have many friends there, and it is supposed to be "one of his home states".

Alinsky's Rule 12: Destroy the Individual

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

"still got nothing.." Sorry, WCA,you are the King of that. Did you really consider that to be a response?

Ha!

Of course we know why WCA and no jo like to use Alinsky as a method of attack. Pretty foreign sounding name, right WCA? Which according to no jo rules, makes you a bigot!

Dumb Fux: President Obama ATE dog as a child...

That's the thing about dogs, you eat one of them, you're forever a dogeater.

Think Fallon will bring it up? Maybe they'll play "Who let the dogs out!" when Obama wanders on stage.

Fallon can ask Barry if he knows about any good recipes.

Poor JS1, and still no honesty about what Mittens did to that poor dog by putting him on the roof.

By the way, Joanna, you are the world's expert on everything, at least in your own mind.

Do you think that Mittens ate horsemeat in France?

Hmmmmm?

Wow, you ladies are just flailing at the wind today aren't you?

Not a Cogent thought among you.

Alinsky is a foreign "Sounding" name?

Really? Doesn't sound much more foreign than Obama or Romney to me.

See NDD, it's not the name, it's his principles that you and the President believe in that are the problem.

[Well Mickey, I never got a check from the Government so I guess I didn't benefit from the Bailout.]

WCA, you are a hypocrite, and that's the reason why you won't answer the question, and continue to dance around it...you should chance your name wo WhiteCOllarTwinkletoes.

Let me answer for you, seeing how you don't have the stones...and I'll keep it simple:

The money was used to prop up the department you work in, as well as prop up your retirement (if you're not already retired), right WCA?

Yeah, you didn't benefit, did you...

You might want to get your thank you letter to the White House before November...you wouldn't want to look like a bigger hypocrite by sending it after Obama is reelected.

JoAnnaSmith - you ARE related to no joe, right? Clearly you both share the same 1/2 brain.

Think PETA will protest Obama? Maybe they'll just be po-ed that their liberal icon's talking point blew up in his face.

Fallon should play "How much is that doggy in the window?" and flash to one of NY's finest meat markets display window. What a riot that would be, Barry would even have to giggle at that one.

Has Moochelle come out with the nutritional value for dog yet? It is her job to make sure we're all eating right.

JoAnnaSmith - and I'm sure you had a problem with Laura Bush promoting literacy since it is so against your background. But, we all just look at you and laugh. You're predictable and pathetic!

Obama buying lunch for his staff:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/04/obama-dog-eater-joke-of-the-day.php

Romney a foreign sounding name? No, sorry. Pretty WASPISH.

You are right about Obama, VERY foreign sounding.....and again, based on the standards that no jo set here, is bigotry why you won't vote for him, and is that why you use Alinsky as a pejorative?

Seems like it to me.

White collar.....did you or did you not benefit from the auto bail out? Don't give me the lame "well I didn't get a check" bull@!$%#!! Do you also think that you are ENTITLED?????

Let me see if I can lower myself to your level and say "MITT ABUSES DOGS"!! Wonder how many equines Ann rode to death and then had put down because they were used up? Or did she have her domestic staff butcher them and serve them up to their elitist Football owners and their NASCAR buddies? Shall France (in the remote and unthinkable event that Etch a Sketch wins the WH)...expect to be served horse meat???? I just realllllly want to know........LOL

Well Mickey, old gal, since you know very little about the auto Industry, I can tell you that the bailout helped me just about as much as it helped you and the rest of your Auto Industry illiterate friends here at First Read.

Didn't help my retirement out at all. Still many, many years away from that particular milestone.

Sadly, it's people like you that think you know everything that continue to bring this country down.

But do keep posting. You make me laugh on a daily basis.

Sure New Day, Obama does sound foreign. Kind of Irish if you ask me.

What does WASPISH mean?

and still no honesty about what Mittens did to that poor dog by putting him on the roof.

Here is how many dogs are transported in America. It's just ignorant Libs that think this is somehow wrong. Poor liberals, they don't even know anything about their own culture.

http://www.google.com/search?q=hunters+dogs+pickups&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=JZiVT5GCNvSK6QH2sbilBA&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CEUQ_AUoAQ&biw=922&bih=715&sei=LJiVT9bqHfK36QGz8pCrBA

as well as prop up your retirement (if you're not already retired), right WCA?

Retired? HAHAHAHAHA!

WCA is sitting in his cozy cubicle next to the mens room, ripping off company time...

Lookie there, someone named eggberta has joined you ladies in today's incoherent rant.

Nice to see you attract such "High" Thinkers.

My goodness, WCA: you simply can't help yourself, can you? Another personal attack. Do you NEVER get tired of it?

Ah, JS1- poor things are twisted on KNOTS over this.

By the way- Obama never said he no longer eats dogs. Claims he was introduced to it in Indonesia-a Muslim country where it was, and is, illegal.

Odd, no?

Poor Bo.

Oh the mental midgets of the GOP have so little to hang their hats on - a dog story that is decades old. But, that's all the GOP offers - nothing more. However, as we can all see - it is all JAS and no joe need. Their little minds are totally content to take this issue and run with it. But, Mitts offers nothing else. How sad to know that is the best your party has!

Obama/Biden 2012

SS: Oh the mental midgets of the GOP have so little to hang their hats on - a dog story that is decades old.

You mean like this dog story that happened decades ago?

Incident: In June 1983, Romney and his family were preparing for their annual vacation from their Belmont, Massachusetts home to a family cottage in Beach O'Pines, Ontario.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamus_(dog)

Obama: "I cannot believe Romney strapped his dog to the roof of his car. That ruins the flavor!"

WhiteCollarTwinkletoes,

Your answer proves that you are the hypocritical coward you so aspire to be...

Hold your torch high!

Yes, JS1, it is outrageous that Mittens would do that to a dog, isn't it? I'm glad to know that you agree with us that the real story is Mitten's lack of judgment, that might actually translate to an equal lack of judgment should anyone be foolish enough to vote for him for President.

Why, you wouldn't based on that story, with your well known love of dogs!

By the way, my dogs travel frequently, often to schooling activities, and they get there in harnesses, one that attaches to a car seat made for a toy dog, and one made to measure for the collie that snaps into the seat belt.

But, then...I am responsible. Mittens...not so much.

Obama/Biden 2012

Obama 2012: “Hasn’t eaten a dog in awhile.”

Yes, JS1, it is outrageous that Mittens would do that to a dog, isn't it? I'm glad to know that you agree with us that the real story is Mitten's lack of judgment, that might actually translate to an equal lack of judgment should anyone be foolish enough to vote for him for President.

Better have a parachute on when you take that leap of faith.

JoAnnaSmith - Romney was an adult at the time and should have clearly known better - as all intelligent adults do. But, I am not surprised your childish mind finds the Obama story entertaining. You have the intelligence of a 7 year old (sorry to all the 7 year olds out there) and it shows every time you post your nonsense. And, for those who say it is normal practice to carry your dog with the cage strapped to the top of the car - not for intelligent, normal people it isn't. My brother hunts and when he heard all the "but hunters do it" stories he was belligerent. His comment "no legitimate hunter would EVER do that with their dog." But, of course, he's intelligent - that explains why you find that acceptable and normal people wouldn't.

Wait, JS1, you mean I was giving you credit for good judgment that you wish to clarify is undeserved?

So in your mind, Romney's abuse of that dog is justified, not a measure of his lack of judgment, and you would still consider voting for the man?

By the way, what exactly is the difference between eating dog and eating meat from a calf that has been held in a pen? Slaughter is slaughter is it not?

Me, I hold a finer standard, I don't eat much meat. I would rather victimize veggies.

JoAnna - Did someone tell you that you were funny at some time in your life? JoAnna, No Jo, White Collar sure are trotting out ancient history on Obama today. Has anyone mentioned the Black Panthers yet? All 3 of them. My best friend's daughter just got back from Peru where they eat guinea pigs - Good God - hide your pet guinea pigs.

OBAMA 2012!!! Amen

By the way- Obama never said he no longer eats dogs.

So NoJo, have you stopped beating your husband?

SS: His comment "no legitimate hunter would EVER do that with their dog."

Your brother, like you, is an idiot. Your soft SS, you don't know what you're talking about, and stupid to a fault. You have no clue about hunting, hunters, or hunting dogs. Yet you still think you're some kind of expert because you talked to your retarded brother. The images shown in 5.56 are real. That is how hunters transport dogs, and the dogs love it. You think dogs are something you put in your purse. These are tough dogs SS, they are working dogs, something you'd know nothing about living in your basement apartment.

Barack Obama/Micheal Vick 2012

John B - pretty sure men stay away from no joe. Find her a little frantic and scary!

So in your mind, Romney's abuse of that dog is justified

That's your premise, not mine.

By the way, what exactly is the difference between eating dog and eating meat from a calf that has been held in a pen? Slaughter is slaughter is it not?

You tell us. Make your argument for it. Use your dogs as examples. Explain to all of us how slaughtering them is justifiable.

[You mean like this dog story that happened decades ago?]

Poor Snuffy Smiff:

Jumping the shark is an idiom created by Jon Hein that is used to describe the moment in the evolution of a television show when it begins a decline in quality that is beyond recovery. The phrase is also used to refer to a particular scene, episode or aspect of a show in which the writers use some type of "gimmick" in a desperate attempt to keep viewers' interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

Poor JoAnna: I do realize I made that post far too complex for you to understand.

How do I make it simple for you?

Hmmmm, If you are outraged at the slaughter of an animal for food, you must be honest and be outraged about all animal slaughter.

Which is why I hold the standard that I do. Victimize veggies not animals.

Would I vote based on that? Nope, too many animal eating humans in this world, I would have none to vote for.

Does animal maltreatment become a reason to vote against someone? Of course, what Mittens did to that dog was maltreatment. No two ways about it. And poor JoAnna: I live in the middle of hunt country. The dogs we train and compete with ARE hunting dogs, very expensive and very well trained. I go to their field eventing when I am invited so I can watch.

Not one of those dogs is transported on the roof of the car, or in the back of a pickup. Not one

Looks like NJNB and JAS! crawled out of the sewers to once again to spew gutter trash around.

Perfect examples for your party.

Not one of those dogs is transported on the roof of the car, or in the back of a pickup. Not one.

Not going to answer the slaughter question are you? Not surprising. Easier to run away then to answer the question when you're cornered. Coward. I'll let you talk with SS who, like you, knows nothing about hunting, hunters, and hunting dogs, who like you knows nothing about working dogs, who like you knows nothing about training these dogs. You like SS have not one clue. Do you know how they train these dogs NDD? Do you know the techniques they use? Some are quite brutal. You don't know that though because you don't know how they are trained.

And field trials? Really? Field trials are shows, they are not hunting.

And you really need to temper your anger for Romney over this one. That story is dead seeing Obama views dogs as a delicacy.

Dcia: Looks like NJNB and JAS! crawled out of the sewers to once again to spew gutter trash around.

And when we look at our boots, you're all over them.

Ah poor JoAnna, still struggling aren't you?

Field events are hunting events. They are to show what the dogs do when they are in the field. All the dogs hunt. This is hunting country, I do not pretend to knowledge I don't have.

As to if I know how the dogs are trained, I know how my club members train. We are in class with them. They like to watch my Papillon take her hurdle after their large dogs do, and retrieve, jump back over the hurdle and drop it at my feet.(Yes, they have to lower the standard for her, she is only 10 inches at the shoulder.) Brutalized dogs don't work. Dogs that are trained with positive methods, clicker or reinforcement do.

As to your slaughter question? I realize you think it is brilliant, but it simply isn't. There is a taboo against eating dog in this country. Now, answer my question: why are you so concerned with dog slaughter for food, but you simply don't care about how calves are treated before they are slaughtered, or cows, or chickens. Animals are animals after all. Which is why I don't like meat.

Or is it just a convenient meme for the bigots who are culturally clueless?

You wouldn't fall into that camp would you?

You never did answer my question: do you think Mittens ate horse in France?

newdayDAWNING - JoAnna's posts are no surprise. She and no joe go dumpster diving for their talking points every day. It's all they have. After all, they follow the GOP - no surprise there!

JoAnna - For the love of God. That was when he was 10-years old and visiting relatives in a very poor country. Do you still poop and pee in your pants? Please don't say no because I know you did at one time in your life. Up-date your complaint against Obama or go away.

JoAnna - you are a true lowlife beyond words. I'll refer to you as moronic or buffoon but I know better than to use the r word as most civilized people do - oh that's right - that would leave you out. You know nothing about hunters as is shown by your continued moronic posts. You are a scum dweller and frankly dumpster diving would be a step up for someone of your low class. Your continued putting down of the President for something that he ate as a child while your revered stupid Romney abused his dog as an adult just shows how totally out-of-touch with reality you are. I'm guessing it is embarrassing just to be you. Your filth and ignorance is beyond comparison. You prove with every post you make that there is absolutely no sanity in the GOP. You truly are gutter trash at best!

Actually I find the whole thing pretty hilarious. She hasn't beaten a drum this incessantly since the trip to India that supposedly cost $200B/day.

Why do I have "the Merry Go Round Broke Down" stuck in my head?

It is pretty funny, John B. As if they are truly outraged.

Seeking Sanity: Neither one of them really care about this. JoAnna knows nothing about dogs as she proved in her posts. I have been training dogs for some 30 years, dogs that compete, the most recent, my collie that got his Canine Good Citizen on first try, which is hard to do. He is headed for therapy dog training.

I will make sure to let my friends at the training school know about JoAnna's post. They will alternate between pure outrage and down right hysteria that she is so ignorant of methods of training.

Brutalizing dogs indeed.

newday- Oh! How great for you! What kind of dogs? My sister used to foster rescue labs and one was trained as a search and rescue dog. Was at ground zero after 9/11. Dogs are the best for people. They are so intuitive and sensitive. Good for you that you train them.

I'm sorry, you don't seem to have the picture of you in your kindergarten Halloween costume ready. No voting for you!

You are lucky. Obama sends in Holder's Gestapo (formerly called the Dept. of Justice) to steal everyone else's rights away. Guess he doesn't fer there are a lot of Hispanics in PA or else he would block Voter I.D. there too.

Great preparation for following the orders from Chicago Democrat headquarters.

Congrats JoAnne, you have compiled enough phony IDs to vote 10 times. Good job.

You did forget to visit the Democratic group most effected by the evil ID requirement; you need to go to the cemetary and get the list of dead voters whose rights to vote are under attack

Congrats JoAnne, you have compiled enough phony IDs to vote 10 times. Good job.

You did forget to visit the Democratic group most effected by the evil ID requirement; you need to go to the cemetary and get the list of dead voters whose rights to vote are under attack

Is that why in TX the Republicans are trying to make student IDs invalid forms for voting? Guess which party college kids vote for?

If it quacks, it isn't a dog. This is a blatant attempt to trim the other party's voting demographic from the pool. Nothing more.

Great list JoAnne....too funny!

...All this non-troversy over ID is way out of line....2000 and 2004, ID no problem. Then comes 2008-OMG, gotta do something about all the fraud.

Amazing, TeaPeople scream about their 'rights' being taken away or jeapordized....exercising their rights to do whatever but the rights of everyone else are taken away!

JoAnne---you forgot to get out your helmet and shin guards to run the gauntlet of Republican candidates who stand outside the polling place asking you to vote for them but unable to articulate why you should do so.

I'm looking forward to casting my vote tomorrow---a right that brave men & women have died for. I'm especially interested in the race for Attorney General and planning to cast my vote for Patrick Murphy.

It is because of the community organizers like Acorn, and what a bunch of liars they are. Nothing but money sniffers, looking for the next bank account.

You do know that ACORN was disbanded several years ago, right? Never mind, a good Conservative lie never expires.

Who is the "Democrat Party", anyway? Are they a third party pretending to be the Democratic Party?

JoAnne, that was so so funny! Especially the hair color matching. LoL.

The actual voter fraud that is taking place is within the GOP. The Republican leadership told their base that ACORN committed fraud and of course the low information GOP base takes the bait as they always do.

The GOP leadership loves having the the low information voter base who believe anything they tell them.

Good one, JoAnne! Too bad there's some truth in it.

Michael1969

"Free Money! Git yer FREE MONEY!!!" - "We have Obama food stamps too!!"
LOL...Looney libs - always stealing from their neighbors - Get a job

The above is the Dumbest statement of the Day. So, 69,456,897 are on food stamps and welfare and need to get a job.
Facts Red States receive the bulk of food stamps and welfare.

2008 return results:
69,456,897 President Obama
59,934,814 John McCain

Ruken

Is that why in TX the Republicans are trying to make student IDs invalid forms for voting? Guess which party college kids vote for?

If it quacks, it isn't a dog. This is a blatant attempt to trim the other party's voting demographic from the pool. Nothing more.

Hey stupid! Citizenship isn't required to gain a student ID! But that's exactly what you all want isn't it? Non-citizens voting... I mean lets face it... that's a huge part of your voter-base!

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)