He didn’t win that demographic last time (2008) – so no big change there.

However he will pick up any loss in that demographic with Hispanics. Our President currently has a much larger lead among Hispanics versus Romney than he did against McCain.

Because white-collar white males tend not to vote Democrat in any election?

Sort of the 'ultimate base' with Republicans.

Just like Blue-Collar females are the 'Ultimate Base' for Democrats.

'Currently' being the operative word.

So if he will pick up that particular loss, how come the average of the polls show a tie?

In any event it will be mighty interesting - Obama has failed to even touch immigration, except to deport a butt load of illegals.

I wonder how the record deportations play on Univision?

So?
He hasn't touched immigration but has enforced the laws on the books. So what?

It would appear the average immigrant is happier with the laws, as-is, than Romney's 'Self-Deporting' idea or that they have no idea about the president's record deportations.

Since that would involve a Romney attack from the left, and he'd be asked for his own stances on it, I seriously doubt he's going to really be pitching that around very heavily.

I think we have to look past 'possible avenues of attack' and think 'plausible avenues of attack'.

THe so what part is all the promises he made during his last campaign.

I am not one that thinks all Hispanics are all about immigration. I think the economy is far more important to them, and they, especially around our neck of the woods, are hurting.

In fact, many of the illegals are 'self-deporting.'

You guys really need to pay attention to question 29. The only part that did NOT get majority support? Obama's class warfare meme.

Oh, my.

Yes, but I think they're hurting more from immediate local policies than from federal policies.

Municipal policies down here are pretty brutal. Heck, Escondido is sort of the poster-child of 'how to run a city into the ground'...

...and their targeting of anyone with brown skin sort of isn't helping.

But yes, economy is a big issue amongst all demographics.

[In fact, many of the illegals are 'self-deporting.']

Like, in Alabama where farmers are going out of business because of the ‘self-deporting’.

Awe - look at Dennis, champion of illegal immigrants.

If you as a business rely on illegal aliens you deserve to go out of business. heaven forbid they pay their workers a 'fair' wage, right Dennis?

Why Look at me, sounding all libbie and all.

Dennis Hu? I am Mexican and believe me out of all the mexicans that I know "Voters" 80% voted for Obama "including myself" back in 08 and Dennis I am sorry to say this but now about only 30 percent say that they will vote for Obama again, I wont vote for him it's easy to see that he is not doing a good job.

They were not illegal they didn’t want to be harassed.

Jorge,

Then most polls are off by more than 50% if you are correct and I have never seen any reliable national poll that was off by even 10%.

Sure Dennis, let's go with that.

Spanky,

60 Minutes did an in-depth segment on this last year where they concluded that many of the migrant workers that left were here on visas but decided to leave for other states or return to Mexico and places south of Mexico rather than be under constant harassment from law enforcement.

"What we've done is tell Hispanics we don't want you in Alabama. Legal Hispanics are leaving as well as illegals."

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9R2J4LG2.htm

Dennis, Dennis, I never mentioned a poll I am just talking about my friends my Family my co-workers, I never mentioned a poll, Common man you can't possibly say that Obama is doing a good job, and I trusted that Obama was going to do a good Job, oh well I guess My uncle was right, He said to me back in 08, Mijo do you think that a guy who has never worked in a convenient little store can be the CEO of wal-mart? he explained to me that Obama has never been a Mayor from even a little town. now every time I see my uncle he just shakes his head and says to me it is just common sence mijo!!! :(

Dennis does not care what you wrote, Jorge, just what he feels.

I'll go your experience on better- this is the first election of my lifetime where no one- and I do mean NO ONE- I speak with plans to vote for Obama. My own father, who has never, once, in his life voted for a republican is voting for Romney.

NBC can bleat all it wants about what election year this is most like- the facts are that this election is almost exactly like 1980.

Complete with polls that miss the mark. In 1980, polling showed the election too close to call.

Reagan won by 10 points.

Jorge,

By far and away he is doing a better job than the man he replaced.

With McCain things would be worse and we would still be in Iraq and at war with Iran, maybe even more countries.

I don't know Dennis but I just look at the Economy, Unemployment, this divisive country rich against poor black against white, hell Obama told the latino community to go out and vote and punish the Enemy, he is clearly dividing this country really really bad, how about Biden Calling The tea party "terrorist" I mean one of the reasons I voted for Obama was cause he promise that he will unite this country, but my friend you and I know that this is getting worse, common man you have got to have some common sense in you. again like my uncle told me "mijo you cannot be a Robot for either party R or D or we will end up like cuba just following the leader no matter what "

Dennis - people are free to live where ever they want, provided they are legal.

Given the horrid economic times here, many are leaving for other countries. Good for them.

Now Dennis just think - if the farmers start paying a decent wage, maybe some americans can take the jobs left by the illegals.

Besides we sure would not want to exploit the illegals anyway, right Dennis?

Of course not.

Oh and Denis - still comparing Obama to Bush, eh? Don't know if you know this, but Bush is gone. And yet we remain in Afghanistan.

Why is that Dennis?

@ Dennis who was President two terms ago doesn't matter. Voter should vote on how well they think the current President is doing versus the alternative. What if's like McCain got in doesn't matter either because speculation on what would have happened doesn't count. Job rating should always be based on your current performance. I have never heard of anyone getting a buy by making the excuse of I was left with a mess from the previous person who held my job so I get a pass. Yes it should be taken in consideration on how quickly you turn something around but the perception by a lot of people is we are going in the wrong direction.

Okay folks, prepare for this thread to collapse. A well-known troll is back at it with non-stop posting that's not relevant along with insulting other members... It's a shame one sh!ty individual requires collapse.

ksw62118 -- Uh, no. Voters should vote FOR the candidate they think will do the best job as POTUS and leader of the free world, and not just in regard to the economy, but foreign policy, SCOTUS appointments, etc.

So true Feisty, and yet the average of all the polls show a virtual tie.

What gives old gal?

State rape? Is that like what your fine state, with it's historic increases in taxes is doing to the fine residents of Illinois?

Oh and with those historic tax increases your state is doing super good, right? Deficit all gone is it?

Great term - "State Rape."

Now let's apply it in a sentence, shall we? The GSA state raped us all with its insane waste of taxpayer money. Or Solyndra was a monster state rape on both the taxpayers and the viability of green jobs.

Ok, now you give it a whirl. After all you libbies love your government power.

I'm unable to watch the video, but if it's true that Romney has the white working class vote, then perhaps somebody better tell them that Mitt only uses them for his own personal investments.

I wonder if they understand exactly what Romney does with their jobs. Someone better tell them. Mitt is a smooth talker, who won't face the media. And that's because he's full of ****.

Romney in no way, shape or form cares about the working class. The working class kids went and fought the wars. Romney's 5 photogenic sons didn't. They have hundreds of millions of dollars because their father exploited the working class.

We are a rich nation. We're just being robbed. That's the business Romney is in.

Yeah Pat - robbed.

But seriously, you cannot dispute that it is the government that is the robber.

Or perhaps you are cool with the $4billion in debt that it will create today?

Oh and maybe you can tell me what business the GSA is in these days?

Nothing says vote for me, like state rape!

Ain't that the truth. GOP=State Rape. Two massive wars;

while giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy, state rape;

while proposing the end of medicare, state rape;

while crashing the economy, state rape;

paying trillions to Haliburton; state rape;

while adding massively to the deficit and telling us deficits don't matter; state rape;

blocking all efforts to create jobs; state rape;

creating a gridlock and causing a downgrade of the Nation's credit rating; state rape.

That list just goes on and on. GOP/TP is the party of screwing the majority of it's citizens to benefit the wealthy.

Robber? Indeed...Let's cite some facts: For a guy earning $1850.00 a week is

1. $182.00 in federal withholding fair?

2. $ 78.00 in Social Security Withholding fair?

3. $ 26.77 in Medicare with holding fair?

That leaves the employee about $1560.00.

Don't forget that the company matches...Fica and medicare albeit at a lower rate.

And just where would you like to see those "taxes" Spank?

You're a more critical thinker than that, Spanky :) It's why I enjoy your diatribe so much.

Current polls show a virtual tie.

So then we should examine several other factors including;

Accuracy of the polls in question, over sustained time-periods

Accuracy of polling this far from an election.

PIE (Pollster Introduced Error)

Poll biases (Rasmussen and Gallup both said McCain was going to win in 2008 right up until October)

Etcetera.

If you can look at all the peripheral factors, and still believe that it's a 'virtual tie', then we should further our conversation on the subject!

/Cheers

Peter Kotz:

In the midst of that 1994 campaign, one of Romney's companies, American Pad & Paper, bought a plant in Indiana. At the time, it was prosperous enough to be running three shifts.

Bain's first move was to fire all 258 workers, then invite them to reapply for their jobs at lower wages and a 50 percent cut in healthcare benefits.

"They came in and said, 'You're all fired,'" employee Randy Johnson told the Los Angeles Times. "'If you want to work for us, here's an application.' We had insurance until the end of the week. That was it. It was brutal."

"When Bain Capital took over, it seemed like everything was neglected in our plant," says Sanderson. "They had people here [who] didn't know what they were doing. It was like they were taking money from us and putting it somewhere else."

History would prove him correct. While Georgetown was beginning its descent to bankruptcy, Romney was helping himself to the company's treasury.

"They were getting rid of old managers and hiring new managers [who] didn't have any steel experience," says Morrow. "Some of the guys were nice guys and everything, but they didn't have a clue what was going on."

Many of the new supervisors were ex-military, people who believed that adults are best motivated by punishment. Before Bain, says Morrow, "everybody got along."

Afterward? "They wanted to discipline people for getting hurt on the job. They wanted to put us in an environment like a war, where we were always fighting with them."

Romney was charging GSI $900,000 a year in management fees to run the company. The Kansas City mill received $900,000 worth of ineptitude in return.

Although Bain borrowed $97 million to retool the plant so it could also produce wire rods, it left the rest of the facility to rot.

To save costs, Bain went miserly on everything from maintenance to spare parts and earplugs. Equipment deteriorated. Since the new managers didn't know how to repair it, "they'd want to rent out a new piece of equipment instead of maintaining what we had," says Morrow. The waste and inefficiency were breathtaking.

"Like a lot of private equity firms, Bain managed the company for financial results, not production results," Foster says. "It didn't invest in maintenance or immediate customer needs. All that came second to meeting monthly financial goals."

It would take a few more years of bleeding, but GSI eventually fell to bankruptcy.

The Kansas City mill closed for good; 750 people lost their jobs. Worse, Romney had shorted their pension fund by $44 million. The feds were forced to cover the difference, while workers saw their benefits slashed in bankruptcy court.

WOW Pat!

Imagine what Willard would do if given the chance at being President!

Under no circumstances can we allow that to happen...

You bet Tech. Polls, much like statistics in general often have little value, and are easily manipulated.

Oddly enough these polls all seem to have a much higher dem sample. Often they poll registered voters, or just the general population, not registered voters. Plus the CNN poll weighted it's questions.

I wonder when CNN or others will put out a poll more heavily weighted to reps?

I'm thinking never.

A representative sample will have more dems than reps on it. A larger % of the nation is dem than rep.

What seem regularly under-reported are independants.

And most polls actually give Reps more love then their registration would warrant.

A true, representative sample, should try to break along 36Dem, 34Indie, 28Rep.

Not too many polls even try to keep a legitimate ratio right now.

Silver-lining? it will improve as we get closer to the election.

Feisty, it will involve all of us, but between President Obama and the First Lady, VP Biden and his wife Dr. Biden, David Plouffe, David Axelrod, Organizing for America, DailyKos, The Obama Diary, and millions of supporters all across the nation, including Hollywood, we'll win.

President Obama will serve 8 years. No more. No less.

Nope Tek, that's not true. And certainly not the 8 point advantage in the CNN poll.

Silver lining wil be the utter shock of the actual election. Can't fudge the numbers there.

Gosh, seems like just yesterday the polls had Carter winning, just before he got shellacked by Reagan.

Polls, a silly diversion.

Bet a beer on the outcome?

Spanky, you and Mitt Romney have alot in common. Neither of you is "likeable."

Imagine what Willard would do if given the chance at being President!

Based upon the rhetoric coming from his campaign trail, it seems evident that he will bankrupt the middle class by ending mortgage interest and property tax deductions, thus transferring any remaining property bank to the wealthy, allowing them to gobble up property at cheap prices and offer it for rental to the now homeless middle class.

He will eliminate federal taxes for any wealthy household that has a stay at home mom, but increase taxes on households with two working adults.

He will increase military spending to unparalleled precedents to build more unwanted aircraft carriers.

He will bomb-bomb-bomb Iran, N. Korea.

He will start trade wars with China, effectively eliminating us from global competition.

That is just the tip of the iceberg. What a candidate, eh?

Spanky,

I may not always agree with you, but you sure make me laugh. I suppose the wit comes with experience in lawyering?

I suppose the wit comes with experience in lawyering?

Is that lawyer-ing, or liar-ing? Either way, wit is a stretch.

Ouch Amy - words hurt.

Tech - I'll put a case of Natty Light, the beer of choice in the London Bridge Channel when it's 126 degrees [and it looks like it'll be about 105 tomorrow ;)] on Mitt.

I don't know Bryan, most lawyers I know are not all that funny.

Oh and Amy - refresh m recollection - wasn't Carter the 'likeable' one? Yeah, that didn't seem to pan out so well for him, eh?

Dershowitz just blasted the FlA prosecutor. Says her affidavit if it omitted pictures of his bloody head is a grave ethical violation and borders on perjury.

Spanky you think the judge will throw the case right out?

I'm not a criminal lawyer, but I have been in jail.

I think there is a real good chance it does not get to trial, and if it does it is almost certain he will be acquitted.

"- I'll put a case of Natty Light, the beer of choice in the London Bridge Channel when it's 126 degrees [and it looks like it'll be about 105 tomorrow ;)] on Mitt".

Can I get a piece of that????? I'll even give you 3-2 odds

Back to the matter at hand...

5.4 Million file for disability benefits. Another record set by Obama!

Now you know why unemployment in the Obama economy is standing still instead of going up under his watch. People are leaving the labor force in droves. So when you here the nonsense LIES basically from the administration that we've had 20 something month of positive job growth know that it is precisely that nonsense and lies.

Fact is there are millions less now working than when Obama took office. They are just not being counted.

Only telling poll that I have seen lately is that gun sales are up 66%!

About Pat's Piece,

This piece appeared to be just another typical liberal hack job with a lot left out.

The first funny thing was that she mentioned that when Bain took over "all 258 workers" were fired and offered to reapply at 50% .... but in the end it went bankrupt, the plant was closed and 750 workers lost their jobs.

First thought was that this was obviously a union shop that was probably twice the going rate.

Second thought was that it was odd Bain hired another 498 workers ... created enough jobs to triple the work force?

Third thing that was curious, why would Bain put another $97 million in the venture to retool and let everything else go to waste ... why invest in something you are just trying to gut and loot?

The story was pretty much union ad hominen similiar to what we read from the libs everyday.

Long story - short,

It was union shop in a dying outdated plant trying to make it in a new changing very competitive global market.

50% of the companies in the industry went bankrupt - ALL OF THEM WERE UNION!

Pat fails to mention the union strikes, fails to mention worker shooting bottle rockets at security, spiking tires ...

Bain bought another steel company, non union ... that thrived.

Pat fails

All right Spanky.

Natty Lite vs. Natty Lite on the General outcome.

Torpedo...you live in San Diego? :D I wouldn't mind a pool on this.

Pat,

Why don't you share your thoughts about what's going on up here in Massachusetts on the EBT Card front. Seems the democrat legislature and governor are just a-okay with 20,000 cards that go missing every month and that they shouldn't ban their use at jewelry stores because as one moonbat legislator said..."what if they want to get married". State cops are busting drug dealers daily and low and behold they have seven or eight EBT cards with all different names. Carnival cruise line charges, charges made in Hawaii.

The best they can do is make it illegal for them to use the cards in strip joint. And I'm sure there were votes against that measure as well. Racist right?

Governor thinks it's all "anecdotal". Anecdotal? One Quincy market just got busted for $700,000 in fraudulent charges. $700K in ONE store.

But in moonbat land the problem is 1%er's not getting taxed. What a joke!

Feisty and I agree, the popular successful swing state Governor Bob McDonnell should be the VP choice.

And remember folks, get in on the betting action;

If Gov McDonnell is nominated for VP, the over/under on Feisty's unfunny crude nasty mentions of female reproductive organs with relation to McDonnell , between now and the election:

9, 853..

(I am betting the "over'.)

Oh and forget about putting pictures on those EBT Card that's another nonstarter.

What is it with you moonbats and picture ID's. Imagine if a republicans introduced legislation banning pictures on gun permits?

I wonder what kind of reaction the left would have.

While Romney may be winning on the economy right now, just remember that no one really knows what his plans are. He has given zero specifics beyond a lot of general talk, lies and attacking President Obama. We do know he supports the Ryan Budget which cuts taxes for the wealthy while slashing medicare, medicaid, education, food stamps, and general spending but adds millions more to military spending. We know Romney's own tax plan is pretty much the same and eliminates the capital gains taxes which means he will pay zero taxes on his $57K per day; eliminates the estate tax which only impacts the 1% in the first place. Both Romney and Ryan's tax plans increase the deficit and the debt. Once we get further into the actual campaign this summer, the contrast between President Obama and Romney will be much clearer.

How ever said liberals are against picture IDs on gun permits, drivers licences, or EBT cards. Most liberals would agree that if it should be done if it cuts down on fraud, and doesn't infringe on one's right to vote.

"Mitt Romney says he understands the middle class, and that he knows it's not easy keeping a roof over your family's heads — as well as vacation roofs in San Diego, New Hampshire, and Park City, Utah." –Jay Leno

Jody, Iowa -- Well yeah, Romney wants his plan to be impossible to score -- Of course. He doesn't have the courage, vision, or interest in the American people to run on real ideas or promises he intends to keep.

All he knows is he wants something he doesn't already have, and the only thing he doesn't have is the presidency. The time is ripe for a mediocre candidate like Romney to prevail, when there are no other more qualified candidates to run, and when the economy is still recovering from the deepest recession since the Depression and people are blinded by anger.

Aside from Teapublicans pissing off so many people, the one thing against Romney is the shameless lying and being held to his extreme-Right positions -- by the Teabaggers AND progressives. Keep his feet to the fire, and block any Etch-a-Sketch attempt to "pivot" toward the center. This way he will win the core base, but lose swing voters. Even if he just loses the swing state of Florida, this plutocrat POS can be stopped.

I like Mark Murray's pink shirt.

Ames,

Real men wear pink! ☺

More 'deep thoughts' from Amy.

Amy, given how poorly the polling is going for Obama you really are going to have to crank up the heat on those hot coals.

Say Amy, just how did the silver spoon-less Obama pay for Columbia and Harvard?

Its not a very good color for him. He looks washed out.

Spanky,

The White House said Obama was not referring to Romney.

Say Amy, just how did the silver spoon-less Obama pay for Columbia and Harvard?

They're called "student loans". Perhaps you've heard of them.

well theotas, if that is what the White House says, then it must be true, eh?

Silver spoons.

Dude went from Occidental to Columbia to Harvard.

A real hard knock life.

Oh and Noid - you think Rezko had any hand it?

No, no silver spoon. Actually, it was a Lhaso Apso.

So, you guys hear the truth about why Ted Kennedy had to arrange a private "adoption" so Obama could get a dog? Seems he DID go the the local shelter, picked out a puppy- then blew it when he asked if he could get fries with that.

Just thought I'd keep up with the deep intellectual discussion started by the brain trust. . .

All this time Santorum would go on-and-on about gays and man-on-dog relationships always had me confused. Now I see that in the GOP/TP world, man-on-dog is a reality. That is why Obama tasting dog as a child disturbs them .. for every dog eaten, it is a lost intimate encounter .. man/woman-on-dog style.

You do have to give the Obama-dog extremists credit where credit is due - such as being able to do two things at once. While participating in a bit of self-indulgence (eg. shebop/or spank the monkey), they can also play a good game of "Red Rover, Red Rover, send Fido right over".

Oh and Noid - you think Rezko had any hand it?

I believe he paid them off thanks to a book he wrote...you know, the one you guys love to misquote.

Noid - Rezko is the nasty criminal developer that paid for Obama's house.

Ayers is the nasty terrorist that wrote the book.

Come on Noid, you are better than this.

Ayers wrote Obama's book?

Of course not silly.

Obama wrote Obama's book.

'Everybody' knows that/that's what the cover says.

Well, then, why, Spanky, did you respond to this...

I believe he paid them off thanks to a book he wrote...you know, the one you guys love to misquote.

...with this?

Ayers is the nasty terrorist that wrote the book.

Good grief, Sarah Palin made that claim about Bill Ayers writing the books which has been repeated by right-wing media and here. Anyone who believes that nonsense is either clearly short of brain cells or just can't stand the idea that President Obama writes wonderful books--my money says both. Honestly, does anyone really think that egotist Bill Ayers would NOT put his name on a book he wrote? Only fools believe that but then just look at the names of those making such an idiotic claim.

Good grief, Sarah Palin made that claim about Bill Ayers writing the books which has been repeated by right-wing media and here.  Anyone who believes that nonsense is either clearly short of brain cells or just can't stand the idea that President Obama writes wonderful books--my money says both.  Honestly, does anyone really think that egotist Bill Ayers would NOT put his name on a book he wrote?  Only fools believe that but then just look at the names of those making such an idiotic claim.    

Good grief, Sarah Palin made that claim about Bill Ayers writing the books which has been repeated by right-wing media and here. Anyone who believes that nonsense is either clearly short of brain cells or just can't stand the idea that President Obama writes wonderful books--my money says both. Honestly, does anyone really think that egotist Bill Ayers would NOT put his name on a book he wrote? Only fools believe that but then just look at the names of those making such an idiotic claim.

Sorry about that, looks as if the Gremlins went into overdrive!!!

Actually, "Javelin" will be going into overdrive. Think about it when you are trying to figure out "What happened ??????? " after the big election in November. More shellac anyone ?

Really? All that from one hearing?

Look out, Nancy Grace, you've got some competition coming!

Hey Spanky, the trial will indeed be a spectacle.

I'm afraid, though, that the verdict is going to be a real riot.

Changing the subject again Spank. I'll bite. Are you arguing the law or the facts? Just askin.

From what I saw there will likely be no trial.

Well hey there Torpedo, how you doing this morning?

Another day in Paradise Spank...Just getting my monthly tax deposit ready for the feds. Not as bad as state though..more paperwork. Gotta pay the man you dontcha know.

I hear you Torpedo - just had the pleasure of writhing two fat checks to the gov. One for the 2011 return and one for the first quarter estimated taxes.

But hey, leaving soon for the SU. 105 degrees and hopefully still some residual spring break fun. I got plenty of Natty light and sun block. The little dears do seem to get dehydrated easily in the Az. sun.

Gotta pay the man you dontcha know

Wait until Taxmageddon comes January 1st. Seeing that we have absolutely no GOVERNANCE in this country there's no avoiding it. Romney will have to act quick to dismantle the ticking time bomb Obama's incompetence has wrought.

What are Romney's economic "ideas?"

Best question of the day Amy. Inquiring minds want to know.

I've asked that same questions of a number of conservative posters here and I've yet to receive an answer. Doubt you will have better luck.

Really?

Huh. Now just what do you suppose Mitt will do with the expiring tax cuts? Corporate capital gains?

But then again, having lived through Obama's super good ideas - Cash for clunkers, green energy loans, Stimulus, and of course the POS healthcare law, can we afford any more Obama?

Nope.

Depends on what day of the week you ask him.

Given the lack of ideas from anyone on the other side of the isle, Obama at least gets credit for trying or maybe Spanky is secretly rooting for the decline of the American dream.

Can we afford another manufactured depression so a few can get rich? Nope.

Yeah, but the food stamp rolls kinda speak for themselves.

Really. How anyone can live on that pittance is beyond me. Glad you agree

Food stamps or should I say CalFresh is marketed as a healthy lifestyle, a Fresh & Easy free-for-all. We have commercials promoting the new and improved healthy way of living through CalFresh. Every CalFresh home a Chez Panisse? Isnt that cute.

Instead we get these handmade signs taped to windows of fast food restaurant, carniceria and even liquor stores, they accept EBT.

They are actually promoting Food Stamps.

Yeah, after all, we no longer have Osama bin Laden or Mohamar Qaddafy to amuse ourselves with, and that darn American auto industry has bounced back - why couldn't it just stay down, or better yet, go bankrupt like that economic genius Mitt Romney suggested?

I mean, Obama kept the tax cuts for rich in place throughout his three years - that's alot of candy for folks! And he increased oil production in the US, while insisting BP pay to mop up their little spill - what a meaney! And he withdrew the troops from Bush's excellent adventure in Iraq. You call that leadership?

Amy you are smarter than that. The oil production increase is on PRIVATE property. Fed property its WAY WAY down.

Poor Amy.

Really, you think GM did not go BK?

Plus GM is about to pay all that cash back, right? I don't suppose you have seen their current supply levels.

Absolutely terrible. Fact is they are in as bad of shape now as ever.

And where, oh where did the Volt go?

ElCid- one line of your post is completely wrong. I'll leave you to figure put which one.

ElCid1986

Boy, you're in a hurry to melt those icecaps and have sea levels rise. Republicans sure have a death instinct. Trouble is, you're going to to kill us all.

Funny thing about those ice caps [and polar bears], right Amy?

They are growing and growing.

But then again Amy has no car, so what does she care about the cost of gas?

Me, I'm looking at 25 gallons each way to and from Havasu, plus I think the boat is empty, so there's another 80 gallons. So I'm looking at a $500 plus hit for gas, and that's before I fill up the jet skis.

Oh well, the price of fun, right Amy?

Good thing Natty light is so cheap.

reality is a bitch, if you're a Republican.

If th ElCid thinks Chuck Todd is an Obama maniac, he is definetly not paying attention.

And where did most of that debt come from, John? Go ahead, we're waiting. Never mind, here it is:

Reagan, 189% increase; Bush 41, 55%; Clinton, 39%; Bush 43, 89% increase. Which of those presidents actually had a budget surplus for several years and was paying down the debt? Ta-da, Clinton! You conservatives really do have short memories and apparently are gluttons for punishment because you keep trotting out the same lies as facts. The biggest share of that debt-clock is interest on the debt previously incurred by none other than those "fiscally responsible" republicans.

Jody, Thanks for proving Mark Twain's famous statement: "There are lies, damned lies and statistics" You just posted the trifecta.

Obama has already in less than one full term run up the national debt more (dollars not statistics Jody) than George Bush did in his full 8 years. Even then, the biggest tax increases came during the last two years when Democrats controlled the House.

Then there is the constitutional mandate for a budget that Obama could not/would not fulfill even during his first two years in office when Dems controlled the House, the Senate and the White House.

Of course, I am sure that no budget was all George Bush's fault ! LOL !!

Obama/Biden 2012

Really ? There was a time when PW were not compensated like those in the private sector but they had the great pension that private sector workers (in the vast majority) did not. But now the average PW earns about 1 dollar more an hour and still the great pension. . That is why so many states are in such serious trouble. And if you dont know that then please dont vote.

Maine teachers retire on an average of $19,000 a year, and they are not allowed to draw Social Security, even if they paid into it through another job. These retired teachers pay $4,000 out of that pension for healthcare insurance.

http://bangordailynews.com/2011/04/03/opinion/governor’s-pension-plan-unfair-to-teachers/

So Amy - did they know that going in?

Seems like they really didn't think that all the way through.

Good thing you have a rock solid retirement plan, eh?

Spanky, With a mouth like that, you're not going to live long enough to enjoy your retirement. Or do you only bully people on the Internet, so they can't punch you in the face?

Amy, just look at as you are doing your good deed for the day and building up someones self esteem. From the looks of it Spanky could use a ton of it.

P.S.

Amy I've been so busy this week that I forgot that today is Fallacy Friday and you know how Spanky gets on this holiday!

Bubblegum time!

more bubblegum!

FrankH-1860605

How true. We all know Spanky is just commenting here to get a rise out of people. He doesn't care a fig for facts or policy. He doesn't even support a political candidate, he just likes to ridicule people who do.

Frankie your right, I was very generous to private sector workers. PW average compensation 39.60 Private sector 27.42. So its $12 more hourly not $1 also average PW in california 54k avg. private 41k. Your turn Frances. Additionally if you dont see Chuck Todd for what he is then you watch too much Chris Mathews.

So you are comparing civil engineers employed by the U.S gov't to auto workers who have taken cuts in pay for the last three (12 years) contracts. Thought so.

Dont think so much Frances. Its just a plain and simple fact. Unfortunately you dont like it because it doesnt fit your point of view. Thats ok. When you get all growd up I will gladly discuss it with you like an educated man. Does that decribe you ? Educated ?

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