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U.S. President Barack Obama, Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
*** Lookin’ like ’04 or maybe ’96: Now exactly 200 days out until Election Day, a poll isn’t going to tell you who will win the presidential contest. But it can give you a good idea what it’s going to look like. And according to our brand-new NBC/WSJ survey, the Obama-Romney race appears it will resemble the close 2004 campaign, or maybe the 1996 contest. But it isn’t going to be 1992, when the incumbent got routed out of office. Per the NBC/WSJ survey, Obama leads Romney by six points among registered voters, 49%-43%, and the president’s approval rating stands at 49%-46% among all adults. Get this: At this very same point in the ’04 cycle, George W. Bush’s approval rating in our poll was a nearly identical 50%-46% with registered voters. Bill Clinton’s approval in April ’96 was slightly better than Obama’s, at 51%-41%. But at this point in ’92, you could already tell that George H.W. Bush was in serious trouble with an approval rating of 43%-52%. “It is going to look like 2004 or 2000,” said NBC/WSJ co-pollster Peter Hart (D) added. “There are plenty of things that suggest it has a long, long way to go.”
*** Obama running strong with his base, swing voters; Romney with the edge on the economy: Digging inside our crosstabs, Obama holds an advantage with African Americans (90%-4%), Latinos (69%-22%), voters ages 18-34 (60%-34%) and women (53%-41%). In addition, he edges Romney among key swing groups like PURE independents who don’t even LEAN to any party (44%-34%), Midwest voters (47%-44%) and suburban women (48% -45%). Meanwhile, Romney is ahead among whites (52%-40%), suburban voters (49%-44%) and those expressing high interest in the election (49%-46%). Yet Romney’s real strength is on the issue that happens to be Obama’s weakness: the economy. By a 40%-34% margin, respondents believe Romney would be better when it comes to having good ideas for improving the economy. And Romney also edges Obama on changing business as usual in Washington. If you could lead on just two issues, those would be the two you’d pick if you’re Team Romney. The president, however, bests Romney on all other qualities/attributes – including being easygoing and likeable, caring about average people, dealing with issues of concern to women, looking out for the middle class, and being a good commander-in-chief.
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd shares details from the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, which suggests that President Barack Obama will start the general election campaign with only a 49-43 lead over Mitt Romney.
*** Testing Obama’s economic message: Our NBC/WSJ poll also tested the Obama and Romney economic messages (though without mentioning their names). The conclusion: Obama’s tests better than Romney’s for the most part. More than three-quarters of respondents (including nearly 70% of independents and Republicans) say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who “will fight for balance and fairness and encourage the investments needed to grow our economy and strengthen the middle class,” which has become a standard line for Obama. In addition, seven in 10 say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who “says America is better off when everyone gets a fair shot, does their fair share, and plays by the same rules” -- another Obama line. But what tested the worst was this line: “What drags down our entire economy is an ever-widening gap between the ultra-rich and everybody else.” That got just 45%. There’s clearly a line between touting “fairness” and attacking the rich.
*** Testing Romney’s: By comparison, 64% of all respondents (but 55% of indies and 46% of Dems) would be more likely to support a candidate who wants “to restore the values of economic freedom, opportunity, and small government,” which is pretty much Romney’s economic messaging. And 61% would be more likely to support a candidate who says “free enterprise has done more to lift people out of poverty, help build a strong middle class, and more our lives better than all of the government’s programs put together,” which is something that Romney tends to say. As our NBC/WSJ pollsters put it, Romney message still appears to be more geared to Republicans than a broader audience. By the way, most of Romney’s actions this week and many of the events he’s planning still smack of a campaign more worried about talking to Republicans than swing voters. Campaign messaging really has NOT pivoted yet.
*** The health-care albatross: While Obama’s economic messaging might be better than Romney’s, health care remains a problem for the president. In the poll, 36% call the health-care reform a good idea, while 45% call it a bad idea. That’s down from the 39%-39% split in January. What’s more 49% favor repealing and eliminating the law, while 42% oppose that. And get this: 59% say the ultimate Supreme Court decision on the law will be based “mostly on politics,” versus 32% who say it will be based “mostly on the law.” By the way, within the three ideological groups (liberals/moderates/conservatives) the group of folks who are MOST likely to believe the court will base their decision on the “law” vs. “politics are conservatives. Tells you liberals and moderates appear to believe the law will get overturned, which was the tone of the media coverage of the hearings.
*** Muncie and the story of America: Be sure not to miss National Journal’s latest cover story, which tells the tale about Muncie, IN. “Muncie is the story of America. In this place—dubbed ‘Middletown’ by early 20th-century sociologists—people have lost faith in their institutions. Government, politics, corporations, the media, organized religion, organized labor, banks, businesses, and other mainstays of a healthy society are failing. It’s not just that the institutions are corrupt or broken; those clichés oversimplify an existential problem: With few notable exceptions, the nation’s onetime social pillars are ill-equipped for the 21st century. Most critically, they are failing to adapt quickly enough for a population buffeted by wrenching economic, technological, and demographic change.” There are a lot of depressing aspects to this piece, but the one that struck us was how polarized and petty the LOCAL politics had become, imitating the national toxic tone. Sad.
*** Politicians behaving badly: Yesterday we saw this tweet: “Good pic of my son Jimmy's bulldog, Apollo - I'm sorry Mr. President, he's not on the menu!” -- in reference to Obama eating dog while a child when he lived abroad in Indonesia. Guess what: The tweet wasn’t from a random tweeter or even a GOP strategist. Instead, it was from Sen. John McCain, someone who once wrote after the 2011 Arizona shootings that, “Our political discourse should be more civil than it currently is, and we all, myself included, bear some responsibility for it not being so.” Meanwhile, we couldn’t count how many times Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer said the words “polygamy” in this Daily Beast interview about Romney. “Schweitzer replied that [Romney’s struggles with Latinos are] ‘kinda ironic given that his family came from a polygamy commune in Mexico, but then he’d have to talk about his family coming from a polygamy commune in Mexico, given the gender discrepancy.’ Women, he said, are ‘not great fans of polygamy, 86 percent were not great fans of polygamy. I am not alleging by any stretch that Romney is a polygamist and approves of [the] polygamy lifestyle, but his father was born into [a] polygamy commune in Mexico.’” And these cheap hits were from McCain and Schweitzer, not cable TV or the Twitters
*** On the trail: Speaking of McCain, he and Mitt Romney address the RNC State Chair meeting in Scottsdale, AZ. (Pegged to this, the DNC has produced a new web video of McCain criticizing Romney during the ’08 campaign.) Afterward, Romney heads to Tempe, where he holds a Hispanic business roundtable discussion and then a rally.
*** Romney raises almost $12.6 million in March: Today’s the FEC deadline for the March fundraising reports, and the Romney camp says it raised $12.6 million in primary money last month -- his highest monthly total so far. The campaign also has $10 million in the bank as of March 31. The Obama campaign said earlier in the week that it has raised $53 million in March, but today we’ll find out what the campaign-DNC split is, as well as the campaign’s cash on hand.
*** Veepstakes watch: Time to cross Mitch Daniels off the list? We’ve already crossed Susana Martinez off our veepstakes list (due to her care for her developmentally disabled sister). And should we cross off Mitch Daniels? Here’s why: Not only did he wait until this week to endorse Romney, but he said this about the former Massachusetts governor in an interview with the Indianapolis Star: “‘You have to campaign to govern, not just to win,’ he said. ‘. . . Spend the precious time and dollars explaining what's at stake and a constructive program to make life better. And as I say, look at everything through the lens of folks who have yet to achieve." After a pause, Daniels added with disappointment: ‘Romney doesn't talk that way.’ ‘You don't change one thing about the policies you advocate or your principles,’ he said, noting instead that candidates should simply make clear how their policies would lift up those who are struggling. For instance, he said, at fundraisers Romney's message shouldn't be about how his policies affect the well-heeled people listening in the audience, but rather those who can't afford a ticket to get in.” Ouch.
*** Daniels praises Lugar: Also in that Indy Star interview, Daniels praised Sen. Dick Lugar (R), who’s in the fight of his political life in the May 8 GOP primary in Indiana. “‘I make the argument that I'm not for this guy because of what he's done; I'm for him because of what he can do,’ Daniels said. Pointing to major challenges facing the nation, he added: ‘To address problems that big we're going to need people who represent our point of view very effectively and can get the ear of other people. And I think (Lugar) is one such person -- one of not too many.’” The Lugar campaign is also passing around this story from the AP: “An Indiana Republican Party leader investigating how Senate candidate Richard Mourdock's campaign used a party database said Thursday he won't face any possible party sanctions before the May 8 primary. Jennifer Ping said Mourdock campaign manager Jim Holden likely violated a user agreement with the state party when he shared a logon to the database with an outside vendor. The party immediately caught the violation and locked the Mourdock campaign out of the database, said Ping, who chairs the party's technology and communication committee.”
*** On “Meet the Press”: NBC’s David Gregory interviews David Axelrod, as well as Darrell Issa and Peter King. And for Meet’s weekly “Press Pass” segment, Gregory spoke with comedian Jay Leno, who talked politics.
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We have seen that the Republicans do not have a candidate. Now the Democrats need to find one and fast.
FOMOFO-O !!!! OBAMA/CLINTON 2012 !!! vs. Romney/Christie...aka Laurel/Hardy 2012 !!!
Manuel has it correct— for those who think Romney will help the economy— better think again— and really who thinks Obama is responsible for the budget— have you read the constitution lately? Congress and Senate set the budget— if you want the 1% richer then vote for Romney, that is the only person who he will help.
The President is not responsible for creating a budget, but he's responsible for leading the Senate and Congress who ARE responsible. There is a law that states the Congress must pass a budget, but unfortunately no punishment for not complying with the law.
Also, please note that the Senate has a Democratic majority, that would be our current President's party. If he can't get them to even come to the table with a budget (bad or good), then what kind of leader is he?
More evidence of a failed government public education system as we look at 2012......even with all the $ billions Mr. Obama was given by the Democratic Controlled House and Senate in 2009.
A major factor at work is not race, but economics, said Charles Warfield, president of the Metropolitian Kalamazoo branch of the NAACP and an associate professor of education at Western Michigan University.
Children in low-income households of all races are much less likely to finish high school on time compared to middle-class students, and African-American students are three times more likely to live in poverty compared to white children.
African-Americans also have other factors that put them at risk: Children are much more likely to live in a single-parent household and much more likely to live in a high-poverty neighborhood and attend a high-poverty school where academic failure is the norm rather than the exception.
"We need to look at what happens to kids who are low income," he said. "We have to look at questions of race. We have work with people so that babies aren't having babies.
The DNC has sold the lie for so many decades and counts on a level of ignorance amongst it's supporter to keep their jobs, positions and paychecks in place.Promises and excuses. It's a vicious cycle.
Mr. Obama stopped the voucher program in DC in his first year in office.
Get rid of the public school system which is giving the above type of results and let parents use the money to send their children to get a quality private education.
Equality should not mean keeping our children down to keep a paycheck for government or public workers.
This is something impacting many that needs to be addressed and drop the teacher's unions for a quality education opportunity for our children.
Look at 2012 as a chance to make a difference in ours and our childrens futures.
Vote HOPE and CHANGE in 2012 and know we as a country can do better than this!
Nuf C Nuf!
This type of talk "sends shock and fear" in the hearts and minds of the DNC.
They don't want equality for all. They want their jobs and paychecks in the disguise of being a help.
It's sad it goes on over and over again through Class warfare and division to create hate and anger.
Our people, our children deserve much better than this. They'll remember just as we do.....
all the PROMISES and EXCUSES the career Democrat politicians drawing big $$ paychecks have made.
If you like your current situation in life......Vote for more of the same....Vote Mr. Obama
If you think things can be better for you and your family....Vote HOPE and CHANGE in 2012.
Don't buy the rhetoric designed to distract from the truth!
Nuf C Nuf !
Anyone who's as cruel and heartless towards his own dog as Romney will never get my vote. Someone should tie Mitt to the roof of his car and leave him there to suffer through a 12 hour drive to Canada; and when Mitt gets sick with diarrhea and craps all over the outside of the car, take "Mr. Flipflop" down long enough to hose him off with ice cold water, and then put him back on the roof to enjoy the rest of the 12 hour trip. That would be true justice.
It would be the first time those jeans were washed.....
It would be the first time those jeans were washed.....
If Obama's daughter gets pregnant in high school he wants her to get an abortion so she won't be "punished with a baby". Anyone who would feel that way about his own grandchild will never get my vote.
Most Stupid Post of the Day Award!
We're all DUMBER for having seen this post mfs......
Vote HOPE and CHANGE in 2012
Most Stupid Post of the Day Award!
We're all DUMBER for having seen this post mfs......
Vote HOPE and CHANGE in 2012
Romney 2012
123ang that is a personal believe and you are as intitled to yours as he is his. where is it said you are God and have the right to make choices for anyone else. Sounds to me like you want to be a dictator.
Never said she shouldn't be able to have one. I said I would not vote for someone who felt that way about his grandchild.
123ang- can you source your quote or like so much on this site its all made up
symantics, 2 year olds play that game, would you like someone making a judgement about you based on a private and personal choice you make or rather on your public actions. Try to see the difference if you can. You make a personal choice that effects no one else but you, and your employer finds out you made this choice and fires you for it. Do you say that is right or wrong.
I don't know how to post links here, but if you go to youtube and type "obama punished with a baby" you can see and hear him saying it.
Tis, if you feel that way about my "judgement" don't play the same game and talk about Romney putting his dog on the roof of the cars.
yup.. Romney can haul his dog harshly yet Obama can claim he has eaten dog yet we hate Romney for bad transportation.... wow.. that makes sense
123ang- not looking to weasel out but I hear the clip without any contest then what appear to be actors portraying all these people who "abort" babies(even notice a planned parenthood sign) as easily as taking a used tv to the dump. What site is this, what message are they conveying. Is it propaganda or fact. Has the look of propaganda.Something can be taken out of context or distorted.
Look- the source of the fact is important in determining validity.
was he talking about someone other than his daughter getting an abortion? NO!!
"Romney can haul his dog harshly yet Obama can claim he has eaten dog yet we hate Romney for bad transportation...." Ahh Jetty playing the persecuted right winger again huh? I dont give a crap whether Romney put his dog on a roof or not he is not good for the country
123ang- look, not looking to get in a fight but what was the question asked to Obama and who asked it are valid questions in order to evaluate his response. Are you that blinded by your dislike for him? Doesnt the obvious pandering to the pro life side on the you tube clip bother you at all, as to its validity?
123ang I never stated I would not vote for Romney just because he put his dog on the roof, it may have been a bad personal choice but it is his policies that I disagree with and the reason I will not vote for him. JB. How old was Obama and what country was he in when this occured, what is the culture in that country or do you now claim to control different cultures to be like yours only.
It's just that osama bin laden, I mean, Osaman baraken, I mean sin laden baraken, Dam!! I get confused with these muslim names!!! The Black guy!!
Romney could change the poll numbers by releasing his college records instead of more tax returns.
He will glady release his college transcripts WHEN OBUMA releases HIS!
You are aware, that Obuma has hidden HIS transcripts for 4 years now?
That George Soros has paid $100 MILION to keep them HIDDEN ?
Why NO, you are totally ignorant of that because even YOU , wouldn;'t be SO stupid to ask that question if you knew Obuma's past.
LOOK IT UP - RESEARCH AND LEARN
Much like his birth certificate.
Why does he have at LEAST 2 names ?
Why does he have 2 SS #'S
Is he REALLY a "Christian" or a closest Muslim?
Personally, I'd like to see his "records" from France,.. right after he dodged the draft to pretend he was a pilgrim..
Pretending is fun,.. just not when 1000's of your countrymen are going to fight a war in Vietnam, that you just happened to have supported..
When the going got tough,.. willard went to..... France !!!
Go willard !!!
AKA are you officially speaking for the Romney campaign
Hey, Hey, HO, HO
Give us some of that ABO
Hey, Hey, HO, HO
Give us some of that ABO
you're not barry smart........
Hey Hey HO HO you are some Azz HO
I think he (AKA) would agree with you...Barry Soetoro is not very smart. Perhaps academically, but completely lacking in common sense.
Tis- Luv the post!
Tis- Luv the post!
Voters will be reminded that Romney fled America and went to France rather than serve his country. Only Romney does missionary work in France.
Come election day voters will remember that this man followed the wealthy belief that children of wealth should stay home with their daddies rather than fight for their country.
Voters will remember that Romney put his money where his loyalty lies. In a Swiss bank account.
Voters will remember that he thought so highly of Americans that he hired two au pairs to raise his children. One au pair from France and another from Belgium.
I think all Mormons do missionary work. Please don't get in a tizzy over this when you probably voted for Clinton twice.
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voters should be reminded that Obama ran for the Illinois State Senate as a Socialist
Obama was a member of the socialist New Party in Illinois. That is a published fact and beyond dispute. Here is the New Party link noting Obama as a New Party candidate for the Illinois State Senate seat that he won
http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng42.html#anchor792932
On the flipside..
Willard is ahead with old white angry FAUX News viewers..
Go willard !!!!
""Digging inside our crosstabs, Obama holds an advantage with African Americans (90%-4%), Latinos (69%-22%), voters ages 18-34 (60%-34%) and women (53%-41%). In addition, he edges Romney among key swing groups like PURE independents who don’t even LEAN to any party (44%-34%), Midwest voters (47%-44%) and suburban women (48% -45%).""
Where did you glean this inside info from
Let me guess
MSNBC?
TNT?
Huffington Piss?
Which commie, state run media outlet ?
HE'S GOING TO GET HIS ARSE KICKED NOV 4th
LANDSLIDE ALLA JIMMY CARTER
I smell fear in the air- Willard aint gonna cut it. Even RepubliCons endorsing him dont like him.
We like him. He may be our new Reagan. You need to understand that conservatives don't worship candidates like liberals do. In my entire life, I've never seen a conservative gushing over a candidate and getting thrills up the leg and such.
123ang your gushing now. wipe the droul and chill.
you must be young- the spittle was all over the place with Reagan
Hey , Hey , HO , HO
OBUMAS GONNA GO
HEY, HEY, HO, HO
GIVE ME SOME OF DAT ABO
I'm not smart?
You can't even parse a sentence together, cretin!
LOL
"you not barry smart"
Uhh - Ebonics doesn't fly here !!
LOL
HEY HEY HO HO
GIVE US DAT ABO!
NEXT CRETIN?
Testing, testing , testing ----
Testing what your sanity, sorry you lose.
Here's the way it's going. Romney loses the women's vote, loses the Hispanic vote, loses the black vote, loses the gay vote, loses the youth vote and loses the votes of highly educated people. Furthermore, seniors can't be counted as reliable GOP votes due to Ryan's asinine budget. They're angry. What's that leave? The GOP has the racist vote, the homophobic vote, the anti-immigrant vote, the religious fanatic vote and the angry semi-literate white people's vote. It all adds up to an easy win for Obama. Do the math. Figures don't lie.
Here's the reality
MOST American's are thinking
ABO
ABO
ANYONE BUT OBAMA
The ONLY vote in your rant that obuma can COUNT on is the "black" vote.
the youth vote ? Uhhh - their partents are out of work, can't pay their tuition.
Gay vote - LOL
OK, you can have all 150,000 queers
that leaves 80% of the POP !!
Surprise OBUMA''s a BYE BYE
AKA and we are not suppose to thing you are racist, riighttt!
Hey Hey Ho HO AKA is a HO.
Hey, Barry, you're wrong. Most Americans aren't thinking 'ABO", only the wing-nuts. Thankfully, there are not enough of your ilk to bring down Obama. Sorry. You lose, again.
There is no economic strength in Socialism. Look at what Europe has turned into. We can not go down that same road. Obamy just doesn't have a good concept of Free Market principle. Government can't save us, we have do do it ourselves. That will mean a good deal of the social empire will fall off the gravy wagon until the economic engine can warm up again. Trump said it best; " No Robust Economy, No Social Programs ". So sorry that money doesn't grow on trees.
Mike, his name is Obama. We get your little racial play on words. Very clever. Now, would you explain your theory on Socialism? Do you even know what it is? America has not and will not ever have a Socialist economy. What we do have and have had for fifty years is a social safety net that provides assistance for the poor and elderly. Without it, we would be a third world country made up of a ruling oligarchy. Low information voters are making a mockery out of good governance and ruining our country to boot. Wake up and try to educate yourself. Stop listening to talk radio one liners and learn to think for yourself.
R Bell, we have been more of a Stalinist style version of marxist socialism for the past 100 yrs.
there is NO authority in the Constitution for your social safety net. There is NO authority in the Constitution for the Federal govt to meddle in labor laws, OSHA, EPA, FDA, FTC, FCC, Education, welfare. and the 1000's of other socialist totalitarian things this unconstitutional govt does.
Low information voters are the ones like yourself who blindly surrender to this form of totalitarianism.
-Alexander Tyler, 18th Century English Professor, writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic
– James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792
The "Minister" of cut and paste is back.
Larry- if you know the constitution so well why arent you a clerk for like thomas.
Mandates- three of them in the 1790's. The last was a mandate requiring seamen to have health insurance deducted from their pay- kid you not.44 of the founders were either in the house, senate, or white house when the bill passed and was signed into law by Washington.
The social safety net was born in 1790
Larry, how are you? I thought you and some of your clan were moving to South America to start a new libertarian paradise? If it were up to me, I'd carve out a state or two right here in the US for you. As I've said to you before, my desire is to see America divided into sections inhabited by like minded people. Absence this, I'll just stay where I am and tough it out.
R Bell,
We're waiting to see how the election works out, but in the meantime I'm preparing all of my offshore needs.
I'd be happy with the alternative of dividing America over leaving, but it's just not likely to happen. Frankly, I'm tired of seeing socialist liberalism control this country as it has the past 100 years. Each year watching what little freedom we still have get reduced further. Watching politicians from both parties spend us into bankruptcy.
I just don't see how the country can be saved. the surgery that's required to reduce Govt back to where it should be simply won't happen. Politicians lack the courage or convictions to do so.
Larry, like you, I'm tired of the fight. The ugly forces of repression, AKA the Christian right are on a never ending crusade to drag us back to 1950. I'm sure this is one thing we can agree on. The religious fundamentalists are a great threat to individual liberty.
I Need a Paxil
Once again liberals get it wrong. They leap to conclusions without consulting the actual history in context.
I've seen no threats to my liberties or those of my family from Christian Fundamentalists. So I don't agree at all with you on that.
Liberalism is next to Islam, the greatest threat to our liberty.
Larry, if you see no threats to liberty from these people, you're not looking. They would make a women's right to choose illegal, persecute homosexuals and impose a Biblical centrist society on us all. For the record, I agree with you on Islam.
By the way, you're right. There's nothing in the Constitution about a social safety net. But remember, the authors of the constitution were primitive men who couldn't begin to envision today's complex society. The constitution may be like the word of God too you, but to me it's just a historical document that's served it's purpose.
Larry- who gives a rip if it isnt involved with the commerce clause. The founding fathers had no problem with MANDATES and isnt that what your side is bitching about?
R Bell,
While I want to see abortion ended, I don't believe that simply legislating against it will suffice. People must believe that it is morally wrong to murder innocent children. Murder is against the law now, but it doesn't stop murders from occurring.
I have no desire to see homosexuals persecuted. What laws are proposed currently that seek to persecute homosexuals?
Nor do I want a theocracy. I don't know any Christians who want a theocracy. I've never met another pastor who wanted one.
As to the Constitution, that's why there is an amendment process. We have amended the Constitution 27 times (the last time 1992) and there have been 6 other amendments passed by Congress but not ratified (4 are still pending with the states).
That is the proper way to change our Constitution; not through the Court nor by merely passing new laws.
Larry, a theocracy is their ultimate goal. At one time, homosexuals were persecuted and jailed, birth control was illegal, books and films were censored and so was speech. Lenny Bruce was arrested for obscenity during a show. Poor women were forced to go to quacks for a dangerous abortion. In the classrooms, kids were taught the pseudo theory of creationism and forced to pray. Larry, I don't know if your old enough to remember those times, but I am. These cretins on the Christian right would love nothing better than to legislate the country back to the dark past.
R Bell,
A. I don't know any pastors (and I know thousands) who want a theocracy. Name one
B. I don't believe in either evolution or public schools. I advise all Christian families to educate their children through either home schools or Christian schools.
By the nature of your accusations, I am one of those "cretins on the Christian right" and we have no desire for a "dark past".
Your bigotry towards Christianity is showing.
Larry, don't you see you're advocating for a theocracy by saying Christians should ether home school or go to Christian schools. You can't hide from the real world. Larry, if you don't believe in evolution and believe the world is only 5,000 years old, you disappoint me. As much as we disagree politically, I respected your intellect. As for my bigotry towards Christians, you're incorrect. I am a Christian and am active in my local Methodist Church. It's the fundamentalist mentality that turns me off. My minister is a liberal Democrat, who preaches that Jesus would be a progressive. Based on my studies, I'd agree.
R Bell, home schooling = a theocracy? How is teaching a child at home establishing a religious govt?
Where did I say I believe the earth is only 5000 years old. I believe the earth to be 4-6 billion years old. That is not inconsistent with creationism and the Bible. BTW, for a Christian to deny creationism is to call Jesus a liar.
http://www.swordandspirit.com/library/writings/science/writings_science/beginning.html
liberal Christianity is incompatible with the teachings of Jesus.
1. Liberal/Progressive Christianity has a humanist/socialist view of Christianity and is of the spirit of the Anti-Christ. Helping the needy for Christians must come from the heart and be done as unto Jesus Himself (Matthew 25, Isaiah 58, and others). Liberal Christianity advocates something very UNCHRISTIAN which is socialism by wanting it to be done by compulsion and theft. It amounts to asking Christians to sin by putting our trust and transferring glory to man/government instead of God. Christians are required out of love that has been poured into our hearts to demonstrate Christ's love to others and in so doing, glorify God. The ONLY way that this can be done through government is in a theocracy, and NO ONE wants to see that.
In fact, we are to give to help others through our tithes and offerings so that God can bless and multiply our monies while receiving the Glory
2 Corinthians 9:6-15
10 Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness, 11 while you are enriched in everything for all liberality, which causes thanksgiving through us to God. 12 For the administration of this service not only supplies the needs of the saints, but also is abounding through many thanksgivings to God, 13 while, through the proof of this ministry, they glorify God for the obedience of your confession to the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal sharing with them and all men, 14 and by their prayer for you, who long for you because of the exceeding grace of God in you. 15 Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!
2. Liberal Christianity condones and even accepts sinful behavior that Jesus condemns like homosexual behavior and homosexual marriage
Marriage predates history because it was established by Jesus when He created Adam and Eve. He let the world know that was exactly what He intended when He came in the form of man and declared that and other truths. He also defined what defiles a person before God and sexual immorality including homosexual acts are within the things He declared as wrong.
Jesus who is God most certainly made clear what is acceptable and not acceptable affirmed in Matthew 19 that when He created Adam and Eve, He established marriage as consisting of a man and a woman. Jesus who is God most certainly made clear what is acceptable and not acceptable. He addressed specifically that sexual sins including homosexuality defiles you in Matthew 15:18-20
“But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man. ”Fornication as defined by the law of Mose that Jesus gave to Moses was any sexual relations outside of the marriage of a man and a woman.
3. Jesus never taught against the death penalty or war, just the opposite. He made it clear in His teaching of Paul on the need for the death penalty remaining (Romans 13). He revealed to John that He Himself would lead an army one day against evil (Revelation 19)
4. Jesus came to set all people free. Liberal Christianity supports modern marxist liberalism which enslaves all people to the state.
5. Liberal Christianity seldom if ever emphasizes the sinful nature of all people and the need for repentance and holiness. Again this is contrary to the teachings of Jesus
6. Liberal Christianity usually views evangelical Christians with contempt
Whoever says, “I love God,” but hates another believer is a liar. People who don’t love other believers, whom they have seen, can’t love God, whom they have not seen. Christ has given us this commandment: The person who loves God must also love other believers. 1 John 4:20,21
I am thinking more like 1968 as when LBJ defeated super conservative Barry Goldwater by a huge landslide. It may work out worse for Willard. At least Goldwater won his home state, a red state, where Romney's home state is blue. Congress will follow suit.
baldeagle-
1968 was Nixon v Humphrey. you are thinking 1964 when LBJ ran the really dirty ad "daisy" suggesting that if Goldwater was elected we would all be killed in a nuclear war.
ran once and didnt Goldwater threaten to Nuke the viet cong?
I Need a Paxil
I support the use of nuclear weapons when strategically necessary. I have stated that Truman after initially approving the use of nukes by MacArthur against the Chinese in the Korean War, became a coward and fired MacArthur for continuing to see it as a viable path to saving lives and freeing the Chinese people from Mao.
That said, Goldwater never really threatened to nuke Vietnam and the hidden reality was the LBJ actually had plans drawn to do so.
http://www.watsoninstitute.org/pub/vietnam_weapons.pdf
The Truth about Goldwater and Nuking Vietnam or How Democrats Lie to Win Elections
http://readperiodicals.com/201202/2596181371.html
Hey Larry- Harvard law professor Elner Elhauge, writes that the FIRST Congress in 1790 mandated that ship owners buy medical insurance for their seaman. In 1792, Congress passed a bill mandateing that all able bodied men buy firearms. In 1798 Congress passed another mandate requiring seamen to purchase hospital insurance on their own.
These MANDATES were passed by many of the founders.
I have seen you post, cut and paste, long constitutional quotes proving as ONLY you can, the unconstitutionality of Obamacare. These previous mandates, without any Supreme Court objection, tend to show you dont know what the heck you talk about. Marxist/Socialist BS
look at my post 274.8--- Elhauge has his facts wrong.
Larry- I think I may have to say mea culpa on the mandate but want to check some other sources at home so may be back at you on Monday.
I am about your age and am told have the memory of an elephant(also the girth but thats a different subject) and I remember Goldwater stating he would not rule out the use of nuclear in Vietnam.' If LBJ had the plans as you say he obviously never used. We have all sorts of plans
INAP, ANY president who rules out the possible use of every weapon at their disposable should be impeached.
Goldwater talked about possible use of low level nukes to clear foliage but that he probably wouldn't use that method.
Hey, .. remember that time, when willard looked almost human... ??
Man, he was just so... lifelike.... Kinda creepy, really..
did you happen to see the post in Pittsburg when he mocks 7/11 cookies. It was a famous local bakery that provided the cookies. So now 7/11 is mailing sample cookies to Willard and the local bakery has a "willard" special every day and guess what- even they dont like him.
The guy cant campaign because the guy cant RELATE to people
Target Stores are commemorating a willard mannequin, in honor of the presidential campaign season..
It says - I like Target !!!!
Can't wait to see one...
Paxil (paroxetine) is an antidepressant belonging to a group of drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). Paxil affects chemicals in the brain that may become unbalanced.
Paxil is used to treat depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, anxiety disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD).
Paxil may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide...........Yep, like being a Libbernut.
used to call myself dem to the bone but dealing with the idiots on the right has made me depressed so I changed my moniker. Just for the record I dont take any paxil. But what does my name have to do with the Facts. Why does your side always demonize and not deal with reality.
Why have the countries that have tried the Teapug and RepubliCon perscription for recession cure all gone into a second recession while the countries that have tried stimulus have shown growth.
Why dont you deal with reality
The reality is, I can't hardly find a single metric that shows anything is better than it was when your guy took over.
unemployment...nope
housing...nope
debt...nope
deficit...nope
gas prices...nope
Sorry Bud, I'm not kissing the guys ring.
stockpiling bullits-
give it time- the metric for almost any developed country isnt either- why cant you have the common sense of putting it in perspective of what he inherited. Is he perfect- nope, far from. But the truth is every country that has tried the economic perscription recommended by your side has been even worse.
He's had almost four years, he said the recession was over, he said we had the summer of recovery. That means that everything he inherited must of been fixed. That means this is his mess. Times up, gotta walk the dog.
Stockpiling bullits??
OMG... Don't tell me... Bachmann country... LOL!!!
Rubes of a feather.........
I refuse to answer on the grounds it might incriminate me.
LOL!!
No more "answers" are necessary here billy bob... We get it...
agreed the economy is his, but progress is being made DESPITE RepubliCon non cooperation is what we are saying.
The republicans were powerless the first two years he was in office. It was all dems. I say that the few things that are starting to improve are not "because of Obama" but in-spite of Obama.....just sayin
Republicans were "powerless"??
You're getting schooled here billy bob....
Operative phrase here - Record number of filibusters.
""In 2009 and 2010, with Democrats in control of the Senate, Republicans launched a record number of filibusters, forcing more than 90 “cloture” votes, which require 60 senators to agree to limit debate on a measure before it can move to a vote""
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/f/filibusters_and_debate_curbs/index.html
stockpiling- in the senate you need 60 votes- the dems have lieberman, nelson(?) from Nebraska and a few others. The dems were hoping for some R cross over as this was a R health plan but it didnt happen. The 60 vote requirement( a requirement dictated by McConnell) is not a slam dunk as your reply implies.If you remember the R's(McConnell) used every trick he could to delay and deny passage. To give the devil its due McConnell knows Senate rules better then Reid.
Paxil -
NOT for producing a BUDGET -
You know, that pesky little thing that tells the various government agencies how much they are supposed to be able to spend...
That requires a SIMPLE majority.
Ahhh... mommy put bullit down for a nap...
That's cute...
In 04 and 96 things were good economically. The voters were not thrilled but this time they are pissed.
Its like 1980 all over again when the last liberal whacko, ironically enough, to run under the same "hope and change" banner was dismissed from the White House by a land slide. High unemployment, high fuel costs, big spending and taxation, the iranians..... where's my Atari?
I just hope some pro Obama superpac makes an ad comparing the President rocking out singing Chicago to, Willard attempting to sing America the Beautiful.
That could be the key to moving America out of its funk! A sing-off................Libs are such deep feelers:)
You and all those like you "profitslayer" is what is wrong with this and all future elections. This is NOT AMERICAN IDOL, you freakin ditz. Yeah BJ Clinton could "blow" a mean saxophone, and Lewinski could blow a mean........never mind. This is not about creased slacks, singing, who is better at "pick up basket ball. You can be the best at eloquently reading a tele-prompter all you want, and still be an empty suit. Yeah lets all vote for the black guy again cause he's "cooler" than the white dude................amazing
Maybe you should run for office, we;d like to see what kind of solutions you have for it and all the liberals. oh but you'd have to use your head to do that.