NBC/WSJ poll: Obama leads Romney by six points, but Republican ahead on economy

According to the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, President Barack Obama has large leads among women, Hispanics and independents and is viewed as being more in touch with the middle class, but Mitt Romney is seen as more likely to have "good ideas for how to improve the economy." NBC's Chuck Todd reports.

 

With the Republican presidential primary season essentially over and with the general election campaign now under way, President Barack Obama begins the race with a six-point lead over presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Obama’s advantage is fueled by his traditionally strong-standing among African Americans, Latinos and young voters, as well as with women and even political independents. What’s more, he’s viewed – by substantial margins – as more likeable, compassionate and better for the middle class than Romney.

Click here for a copy of the polling results (pdf)

But the poll also shows that the president’s biggest weakness – the economy – is also Romney’s strength. And with Republicans beginning to rally around the former Massachusetts governor and with the GOP especially enthusiastic about November’s election, the race has the potential to be close, the NBC/WSJ pollsters say. 

Related: NBC/WSJ poll: Romney's image improves but remains a net-negative

President Barack Obama; Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

“You are projecting a very, very close campaign,” said Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted the survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart.

“It is going to look like 2004 or 2000,” Hart added, referring to George W. Bush’s extremely narrow victories in those two presidential contests. “There are plenty of things that suggest it has a long, long way to go.”

Amy Sancetta / AP

President Obama reaches out to shake hands with Lorain County Community College student Bronson Harwood after speaking at the college in Elyria, Ohio.

Obama running strong with his base and key swing groups
This week featured a flurry of national polls that showed varying results: A CNN poll had Obama up by nine; the Pew Research Center had the president up four; a New York Times/CBS poll had it even; and the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll currently has Romney up by five.

But in this NBC/WSJ poll, Obama leads Romney among registered voters, 49 percent to 43 percent – a margin that has been fairly consistent in the survey since the beginning of the year; the president led Romney in March, 50 percent to 44 percent.

Looking inside these numbers, the president holds an advantage with African Americans (90 percent to 4 percent), Latinos (69 percent to 22 percent) voters ages 18-34 (60 percent to 34 percent) and women (53 percent to 41 percent).

In addition, he edges Romney among key swing groups like independents (44 percent to 34 percent), Midwest voters (47 percent to 44 percent) and suburban women (48 percent to 45 percent).

Meanwhile, Romney is ahead among whites (52 percent to 40 percent), suburban voters (49 percent to 44 percent) and those expressing high interest in the election (49 percent to 46 percent).

In measuring key attributes and qualities, Obama also enjoys significant leads on being easygoing and likeable (54 percent to 18 percent); on caring about average people (52 percent to 22 percent); on dealing with issues of concern to women (49 percent to 21 percent); and on looking out for the middle class (48 percent to 27 percent).

He’s also ahead of Romney when it comes to being knowledgeable and experienced about the presidency (45 percent to 30 percent), being a good commander-in-chief (43 percent to 33 percent), being consistent and standing up for his beliefs (41 percent to 30 percent), and being honest and straightforward (37 percent to 30 percent).

Jae C. Hong / AP

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney meets with a group of Pittsburgh-area residents in Bethel Park, Pa.

Romney’s economic edge
But Romney’s advantage comes on what will probably be the No. 1 issue in the fall: the economy.

By a 40-34 percent margin, respondents believe Romney would be better when it comes to having good ideas for improving the economy. And Romney also edges Obama on changing "business as usual" in Washington.

Thirty-eight percent think the economy will improve within the next year, 19 percent say it will get worse and 42 percent believe it will stay the same.

Those numbers – which come after a disappointing March jobs report, which showed the unemployment rate declining to 8.2 percent but which also showed the economy adding a less-than-expected 120,000 jobs – are fairly consistent with the findings from January and March.

Obama’s economic improvement
Just 45 percent approve of the president’s handling of the economy, which is unchanged from March.

But that standing is an improvement from the summer and fall of 2011, when his economic handling was below 40 percent.

Obama’s overall job-approval rating stands at 49 percent – which, not surprisingly, matches his ballot-test percentage against Romney. (His percentage also is similar to the job-approval numbers of what the last two incumbents who won-re-election, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, had in the NBC/WSJ poll at this same point in the race.) 

Two new polls show the 2012 general election matchup remains close. On the subject of the economy, Mitt Romney is beating President Barack Obama. The Washington Post's Dana Milbank discuss, Iowa Governor Terry Branstad talk about the polls and explain why Obama continues to push the narrative that Romney is out-of-touch with the American people.

In addition, a plurality – 36 percent – believes the president’s policies have helped U.S. economic conditions, while 33 percent say they’ve hurt the economy. Thirty percent say they haven’t made a difference.

That’s a big change from last year, when only about 20 percent said Obama’s policies had helped the economy.

And those percentages are matched pretty evenly against a Republican: 37 percent say a GOP candidate winning the presidency would help the economy, 28 percent say he would hurt it and 31 percent said it wouldn't make a difference.

“The president is in better shape than he was” in 2011, says Hart, the Democratic pollster.

Testing the economic messages
What also seems to be in better shape is Obama’s economic messaging.

More than three-quarters of respondents (including nearly 70 percent of independents and Republicans) say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who “will fight for balance and fairness and encourage the investments needed to grow our economy and strengthen the middle class,” which has become a standard line for Obama.

In addition, seven in 10 say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who “says America is better off when everyone gets a fair shot, does their fair share, and plays by the same rules” – another Obama line.

By comparison, 64 percent would be more likely to support a candidate who wants “to restore the values of economic freedom, opportunity, and small government,” which strongly resembles Romney’s economic messaging.

And 61 percent would be more likely to support a candidate who says “free enterprise has done more to lift people out of poverty, help build a strong middle class, and more our lives better than all of the government’s programs put together,” which is something that Romney tends to say.

The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted April 13-17 of 1,000 respondents (250 reached by cell phone), and it has an overall margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points. 

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Exactly what are people thinking about the economy - Republicans being better?

So it was Bush and company (GOP) that drive our economy off the cliff, and they think that these clowns would do better.

Amazing just how ignorant the electorate is.

    Reply#768 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:32 PM EDT

    The polls tell a BIG story. Obama is done. Historically, the undecided go 90%+ to the challenger. If they wanted the incumbent, they would already be on board at this point.

      Reply#769 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

      What does romney know about creating jobs ? his state he is from was 47th in job creation . The President is getting our economy going again and another republican will run it in the toilet again like bush done if elected . After 4 years of republicans in congressd can't every one see they favor and work only for the wealthy and want to torpedo our system of government by the people and for the people .

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      Reply#770 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:44 PM EDT

      Thanks Leroy-344013, my thoughts too........

      Mitt Leads on Economy!!, Really???, how come someone who as Governor, took his state from 37th to 47th in job creation, and at Bain specialised in shipping American jobs to China have any credibility???? Are Americans this dumb??

        #770.1 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:51 PM EDT
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        4 Women’s SAKE! Romney is selling out the women’s movement displaying his artificial world between two fools, as his wife giggles to his comment ‘start packing’.

        For most women, love is always a welcoming part of life, but to have so many children is a bit selfish with all the children that could be loved by us who do not believe in over-populating the world. Romney does not have the reality or background on women’s rights, women’s battles, or women’s careers and he could easily be persuaded into signing wrong bills that would be a setback for women on freedom of choices and equality and he does not have the attitude of proper mannerism. He approaches issues, MY WAY, or NO WAY, like a spoiled brat. Well, it’s time to go the HIGH WAY and realize his promises to women are based on a non-existence destination he is making up along the way for his platform issue to get support from the women and he continues to set up his pretend profile.

        Why does he wait for NOW to begin all his support for women? It does not start because of an election, it is something you believe in, support and determination to come true, not to get votes. Criticism is not directed at his father’s success or his silver spoon; it’s about his lack of life skills. It is not about his money, it is about his lack of concern for the people...his attitude is YOU HAVE MONEY, I WILL FIX YOUR PROBLEMS. Well Romney, seems to overlook that is the problem, we have many families w/o money, and we have been working to assist them and work toward a solution from day ONE. It involves trying to find money to get people to work, jobs, daycare, birth control, medical, education, job skills, housing, food, transportation, communication, and choices. Several citizens are working to keep up with cost of living and rely on general assistance programs as a safety net.

        Wealth, is great, however, it shouldn’t make those who can’t buy their way, a bad person. There is always someone needing our help. The current assistance programs seem to be working fine, to remove programs would be a waste of a lot of money and hours of hard work. We do have some bugs to work out, but that occurs when something good continues to exist, we must continue to improve, not take it away because we don’t’ like the way it’s not working. Several years ago, we got the welfare to work in rural areas, and you can see the change ...it’s not a failing program. I hire several women and counsel about how much more than can do...several have completed college, some joined the military, and others become volunteers. They have become better mothers and providers, and contribute more to their communities. Things like a person’s lifestyle cannot be fixed overnight unless you are a cruel president, cruel human being by thinking people who need help are beneath you. We are all of the same fire. What is good for the USA is good for our neighbors across the waters! ...and their women and children!

        Behind every man EXCEPT ROMNEY is a strong woman, Thank you for your time.

          Reply#771 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:54 PM EDT

          Just a quick note to "just a guy". You were only wrong on higher taxes, higher unemployment,double gas prices, 5 trillion added to the debt and.........virtually everything you stated about the President. Now, I believe that Romney has a small problem with this election. "PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HIM." And in conjunction with that. "THE MORE PEOPLE SEE AND HEAR HIM, THEY LIKE HIM EVEN LESS. Other than that ,he's in good shape!

            Reply#772 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

            How else would NBC report a poll? As far as the economy is concerned, America's economy is MUCH different than that of his native homeland of Kenya. Maybe he would do good there but he really has no idea about America. Besides America can NOT afford him or HIS WIFE'S expenses for travel, as well as his people having a good old time at the GSA and the Secret Service and Hillary's travel and partying expenses. How does all that figure in on the economy? Oh goodness, I forgot that as long as the liberals have a spend spend spend president, they and the media are happy as a lark.

              Reply#773 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

              Only a pathetic, braindead, psychotic, facist idiot-you know, your typical right wing radical cracked teanut dunce would vote for this lyin' freak. This freak will never get more than half of the repuke braindead evangelical Children of the Corn zombies that voted for the Pope's boy Sanitarium He has them convinced, as should be, that lyin Willardo will destroy the country and is the worst repuke to ever run for the repuke nomination. Nut Gingerhead agrees with him.

              Why should Nut Gingerhead or Ron (Puke) Paul concede until lyin Willardo the Mexican Mormon Moron tax evader and bankrupter proves he can win. Drain all of Willardo's funds. Get to the brokered convention. See which right wing nut can win.

              Lyin Willardo may be the worst one of all. This guy has yet to provide his tax returns for the last 5 years. It should show how much he has evaded in taxes and how much unreported income he has stashed away in Cayman Island and Swiss bank accounts. He is your typical right wing thief.

              There have been many rumors going around that little lyin Willardo was seen in a baby carriage in Tijuana. with a bottle of Corona Light in one hand and an Etch A Sketch in the other. The side of his carriage had the name "Little Lyin Willardo" on it. So when we see the long form of his birth certificate and it says Willardo on it and not Willard, we will know something is wrong.

              Isn't it funny, that his new buddy Fox Top Trump never asked lyin Willardo for a copy of it?

              What a joke. Less and less of the stupid right wing nuts come out to back lyin Willardo, the Mexican Mormon Moron tax evader and bankrupter and they rave about it. As most people know, the evangelicals consider the mormons an evil anti-christ cult. The mormons have been converting dead jewish people, without their knowledge to become mormons to enhance their religion. They baptise them when they are dead. These sick aholes were caught when they tried to convert Anne Frank to be a mormon. The Church of the Latter Day Saints has now ordered these mormon priests to cease this immediately.

              These repuke dunces best bet is to bring back Herman (9Kampf) Cain, the dress slitherer. He can draft Jerry Sandusky for V.P. Who cares what they have done in the past, they are against abortion, that is all that counts.

              CAIN/SANDUSKY 2012. The true repuke family values candidates.

                Reply#774 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:45 PM EDT

                There is nothing wrong with protecting your own economy and jobs, it is supposed to be what import taxes and fees are supposed to do, constitutionally. Yelling "protectionism" is kinda stupid, of COURSE you protect your own economy.... its the way its SUPPOSED to be... we have already seen what "free trade " has donw for the jobs in this country, unless you are refusing to see it which apparently most are. Repealing NAFTA and other "free trade" agreements is a good start to taking back our economy, but neither party will do it because both parties are owned by corporate and wall street money... and the corporations want us in a world economy, regardless of what our constitution says. Its treason, plain and simple.. allowing our economy to be raped and pillaged by the corporate whores that are in power here. Capital is sucked out of this country faster than we can put it back into it, it can't go on forever.. if you think the Great Depression was bad, just wait until this bubble bursts.

                  Reply#775 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:49 PM EDT

                  THE REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY HAS A FRESH IDEA TO SAVE THEIR AMERICA !!!!!!! ; this is their brand new fresh off the press , for this generational time , '' TRICKLED DOWN ECONOMICS ''. steal from the dirt poor , and give to the filthy rich 1%ers !!!!!!!!!!!! NOW YOU CAN'T GET MORE FRESH THEN THAT

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                  Reply#776 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:13 PM EDT

                  Here it is in a nutshell. Those who can, do; those who can't, are happy to take from those who can! If you are one of those in the former category, you will vote for Romney. Those in the latter category will vote for Obama. The larger the Government grows the more they take from those who earn the money. Redistribution of wealth succeeds only as long as those who earn the money outnumber those who get a free ride. Eventually, the earners see that their efforts are futile, so they too become takers. And soon after that, we find that the takers outnumber the earners! Oops, now what do we do?

                    Reply#777 - Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:32 PM EDT

                    Do you have any proof of this? Basically you're arguing trickle-down economics, along with a theory about who votes for whom.

                      #777.1 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:06 AM EDT

                      gumshoe i am one of those who can and will vote for Obama in november. your theory is really flawed. It starts with the wrong assumption that all those who disagree with you must be those who cant you also assume that all liberals are in this category therefore liberals don t work this is ridiculous. We have 8% unemployment, I will add those retired and on disability which brings up the percentage of those who cant ar about 20% of this country even on a bad day Obama has twice the approval rating so your theory falls apart

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                      #777.2 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:11 AM EDT
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                      cheryl go clean ur dirty dishes the baby needs his diaper changed -the laundry is piles sky high, the rugs bneed vacuumened and ur sitting here playing on the internet. get in the kitchen where u belong i want my breakfast-now. ham and eggs and fresh coffee-get to it woman----nowwwwwwwwww,yes, i said nowwwwwwwwwwwww

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                      Reply#778 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:27 AM EDT

                      BUSH drank too much canal water, it destroyed his brain,oops sorry, he never had a brain nothing from nothing will always be nothing

                        Reply#779 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:30 AM EDT

                        Mitt Leads on Economy!!

                        Really???, how come someone who as Governor, took his state from 37th to 47th in job creation, and at Bain specialised in shipping American jobs to China have any credibility, except in the bigoted minds of his right wingers! (Even 'etch a sketch' is now produced in China, for Toys 'r'us one of Bains many legacies)

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                        Sorry i forgot, it's Mitt's/Ann's TURN!!.........start packing?????!!!!!!!

                          Reply#780 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:38 PM EDT

                          Democrats better move their butts. and start helping those that need Voter IDs get ONE!!......

                          These R.W. bigots will stop at nothing.

                            Reply#781 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:43 PM EDT

                            Anything with NBC attached to it should be questioned and scrutinized. Their credibility is almost gone. Actually, it is gone.

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                            Reply#782 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:07 PM EDT

                            Of course NBC, the NATIONAL BROTHERHOOD of COMMUNISTS will ALWAYS say oddbama is ahead in the Polls. Their agenda is furthuring the Regime. They are Comrades in Arms, with oddbama, as are the rest of the mainstream Socialist/Marxist/Communist owned and operated U.S. News organizations.

                              Reply#783 - Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:50 PM EDT

                              George Bush's answer after we had a surplus- It's our money and i'm going to spend it. George Bush's answer to the war ( IT'S OVER) anyone else wants anouther guy like this in office? Here is anouther famous quote. who's worried about (Osama Bin Ladin)?

                                Reply#784 - Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:30 PM EDT

                                "Obama leads Romney by 6%"; more lies from liberals. Don't buy it America. Want to leave a better (and free) America for your kids and grandkids? VOTE OBAMA OUT IN 2012!! Four more years of him and we're done!

                                  Reply#785 - Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:46 PM EDT

                                  Here is one no Liberal can deny. Carter was leading Reagan in the polls before the general election. (After the Democratic Convention Mondale was ahead too) Actually the press said the race was too close to call days leading up to the general election. As long as the Liberal biased press can say what it wants it looks like the truth. Fact of the matter is 48 hours before the general election Carter's staff "Informed the President" the election would not bode well for him. In The Carter vs Reagan elections and the Mondale vs Reagan elections the out come was already determined before any liberal west coast state could vote. So, take this pole for what it is, the press trying to make it closer than reality will show.

                                    Reply#786 - Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:11 PM EDT

                                    Liberal biased press owned by right-wing Conservatives? This accusation is getting to old to believe.

                                      #786.1 - Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:53 PM EDT
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                                      On 05/25/2012, Ron Paul Supporters across America should gather together to discuss the idea of Dr. Paul running on an independent platform and brainstorm a clever strategy on how to launch a parallel campaign in the event he is denied the opportunity of becoming the Republican presidential candidate. The end goal is witnessing Congressman Ron Paul announcing his presidential bid as an independent the same day America celebrates Constitution day: September 17th, 2012.

                                      A very interesting video clip indeed.

                                        Reply#787 - Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:52 PM EDT

                                        If slick talking Willard gets elected, the 1% will suck up the treasury and the 99% will get lower wages, higher taxes and higher prices; and the Republican Great Recession will dive into the 2nd Republican Great Depression. Willard's safety net for the unemployed, let them stand in line for soup. The GOP strategy is bait and switch.

                                          Reply#788 - Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:51 PM EDT

                                          Romney at Bain

                                          The Presidential candidate's years at Bain represent everything you hate about capitalism.

                                          By Pete Kotz Wednesday, Apr 18 2012

                                          James Sanderson had encountered a rare moment of industrial harmony
                                          It was the early 1990s, and the 750 men and women at Georgetown Steel were pumping out wire rods at peak performance. They had an abiding trust in management's ability to run a smart company. That allegiance was rewarded with fat profit-sharing checks. In the basement-wage economy of Georgetown, South Carolina, Sanderson and his co-workers were blue-collar aristocracy.

                                          "We were doing very good," says Sanderson, president of Steelworkers Local 7898. "The plant was making money and we had good profit-sharing checks, and everything was going well."
                                          What he didn't know was that it was about to end. Hundreds of miles to the north in Boston, a future presidential candidate was sizing up Georgetown's books.

                                          At the time, Mitt Romney had been running Bain Capital since 1984, minting a reputation as a prince of private investment. A future prospectus by Deutsche Bank would reveal that by the time he left in 1999, Bain had averaged a shimmering 88 percent annual return on investment. Romney would use that success to launch his political career.

                                          His specialty was flipping companies—or what he often calls "creative destruction." It's the age-old theory that the new must constantly attack the old to bring efficiency to the economy, even if some are destroyed along the way. In other words, people like Romney are wolves, culling the herd of the weak and infirm.

                                          His formula was simple: Bain would purchase a firm with little money down, then begin extracting huge management fees and paying Romney and his investors enormous dividends.

                                          The result was that previously profitable companies were now burdened with debt. But much like the Enron boys, Romney's battery of MBAs fancied themselves the smartest guys in the room. It didn't matter if a company manufactured bicycles or contact lenses; they were certain they could run it better than anyone else.

                                          Bain would slash costs, jettison workers, reposition product lines, and merge its new companies with other firms. With luck, they'd be able to dump the firm in a few years for millions more than they'd paid for it.

                                          But the beauty of Romney's thesis was that it really didn't matter if the company succeeded. Since he was yanking out cash early and often, he would profit even if his targets collapsed.
                                          Which was precisely the fate awaiting Georgetown Steel.

                                          When Bain purchased the mill, Sanderson says, change was immediate. Equipment upgrades stopped. Maintenance became an afterthought. Managers were replaced by people who knew nothing of steel. The union's profit-sharing plan was sliced twice in the first year—then whacked altogether.

                                          "When Bain Capital took over, it seemed like everything was being neglected in our plant," says Sanderson. "Nothing was being invested in our plant. We didn't have the necessary time to maintain our equipment. They had people here that didn't know what they were doing. It was like they were taking money from us and putting it somewhere else."

                                          History would prove him correct. While Georgetown was beginning its descent to bankruptcy, Romney was helping himself to the company's treasury.

                                          He should have known better. The year before Romney purchased Georgetown, he mounted his career in politics, setting his sights on the biggest target in Massachusetts: the U.S. Senate seat held by Ted Kennedy.

                                          There were early signs that he might topple the Kennedy dynasty. Much like today, Romney was pitching himself as a commander of the economy, a man with the mastery to create jobs. Yet he suffered an affliction common to those atop the financial food chain: He assumed that what was good for him was good for all. Call it trickle-down blindness.

                                          In the midst of that 1994 campaign, one of Romney's companies, American Pad & Paper, bought a plant in Marion, Indiana. At the time, it was prosperous enough to be running three shifts.

                                          Bain's first move was to fire all 258 workers, then invite them to reapply for their jobs at lower wages and a 50 percent cut in health-care benefits.

                                          "They came in and said, 'You're all fired,' " employee Randy Johnson told the Los Angeles Times. "'If you want to work for us, here's an application.' We had insurance until the end of the week. That was it. It was brutal."

                                          But instead of reapplying, the workers went on strike. They also decided the good people of Massachusetts should know what kind of man wanted to be their senator. Suddenly, Indiana accents were showing up in Kennedy TV ads, offering tales of Romney's villainy. He was sketched as a corporate Lucifer, one who wouldn't blink at crushing little people if it meant prettifying his portfolio.

                                          Needless to say, this wasn't a proper leading-man's role for a labor state like Massachusetts. Romney was pounded in the election, taking just 41 percent of the vote. Meanwhile, the Marion plant closed just six months after Bain's purchase. The jobs were shipped to Mexico.
                                          Yet Romney didn't learn his lesson. He seemed incapable of noticing that his brand of "creative destruction" left a lot of human wreckage in its wake. Or that voters might see him as more scumbag than saint.

                                          Just a few months after being hammered by Kennedy, he set fire to another company.
                                          The move was classic Bain. Before buying Georgetown, Romney had purchased the Armco steel mill in Kansas City, Missouri, which had been in business more than 100 years. "We were setting a lot of records for production at that time," says employee Steve Morrow. "We were making a lot of money, because we were getting profit-sharing."

                                          Bain combined Armco with the mill in Georgetown and foundries in Tempe, Arizona, and Duluth, Minnesota, to form the newly christened GS Industries.

                                          Romney purchased Armco with just $8 million down, borrowing the rest of the $75 million price tag. Then he issued bonds—basically IOUs—to borrow even more to pay himself and his investors $36 million. Within a year, he'd already made four times his initial investment while barely lifting a finger. But he'd also run up a staggering $378 million in debt on GSI's tab.
                                          Steel is an infamously cyclical business, a worldwide commodity prone to the same wild price fluctuations as oil. The Kansas City plant forged parts for equipment used in mining gold and copper, leaving it susceptible to the instability of those markets as well. Yet the smartest guys in the room thought they could run the plant better than the people setting production records.
                                          "They were getting rid of old managers and hiring new managers that didn't have any steel experience," says Morrow. "Some of the guys were nice guys and everything, but they didn't have a clue what was going on."

                                          Many of the new supervisors were ex- military, people who believed that grown men and women are best motivated by punishment. Before Bain, says Morrow, "everybody got along." Afterward? "They wanted to run the plant like a disciplinary environment. They wanted to discipline people for getting hurt on the job. They wanted to put us in an environment like a war, where we were always fighting with them."

                                          Romney was charging GSI $900,000 a year in management fees to run the company. The Kansas City mill received $900,000 worth of ineptitude in return.

                                          Although Bain borrowed $97 million to retool the plant so it could also produce wire rods, it left the rest of the facility to rot. To save costs, Bain went miserly on everything from maintenance to spare parts and earplugs. Equipment deteriorated. Since the new managers didn't know how to repair it, "they'd want to rent a new piece of equipment out instead of maintaining what we had," says Morrow. The waste and inefficiency was breathtaking.

                                          Bain's plan all along was to streamline the company into greater profitability, then reap the rewards with a public stock offering. But the exact opposite was happening. Even Roger Regelbrugge, whom Bain installed as CEO, knew the debt was crushing GSI from within, according to Reuters. If a public offering didn't materialize, the company would collapse.
                                          Steel was about to enter a periodic downturn. Countries around the world were locked in a war of tariffs and government-subsidized production, creating a glut and driving down prices. Romney's strategy of the flip was never meant to endure difficult times.

                                          Workers saw the end coming; they were particularly worried that Bain was badly underfunding their pension plan. So they went on strike in 1997, bringing a traditional Rust Belt flair to the festivities by littering the streets with nails and gunning bottle rockets at security guards. When it was all over, the Steelworkers' union agreed to wage and vacation cuts in exchange for extra health and pension safeguards should the plant close.

                                          Yet GSI was now hemorrhaging money, says David Foster, the union official who negotiated the deal. He claims that Bain cursed the company by placing its own interests above those of customers or long-term stability. "Like a lot of private equity firms, Bain managed the company for financial results, not production results," says Foster. "It didn't invest in maintenance or immediate customer needs. All that came second to meeting monthly financial goals."
                                          It would take a few more years of bleeding, but GSI eventually fell to bankruptcy. The Kansas City mill closed for good; 750 people lost their jobs. Worse, Romney had shorted their pension fund by $44 million. The feds were forced to cover the difference, while workers saw their benefits slashed in bankruptcy court.

                                          The battered Georgetown plant and the foundries in Arizona and Minnesota ultimately were bought out of bankruptcy by new companies. Their workforces were halved. Still, Romney walked away unbruised. All that debt was technically GSI's, not Bain's. Because he'd repaid himself and his investors just months after the purchase, Romney pocketed millions for running the company into the ground.

                                          "They were clever and ruthless enough to pay their own investors back at a really high return rate," says Foster.

                                          This was the beauty of Romney's racket. Even if he killed a company—and he tended to kill them fairly often—he still made out, leaving others to take the hit.

                                          On the campaign trail, Romney describes his work at Bain as resurrecting distressed companies. In this version, he's the white knight lifting troubled firms from the precipice of failure.

                                          Not true.

                                          Private equity companies like Bain rarely buy anything but profitable firms for one very compelling reason: The patient must be healthy enough to be force-fed all that debt. So it's something of a misnomer for Republican opponents to slur him as a "vulture capitalist."
                                          "Romney is not a vulture capitalist, as Rick Perry says, since vultures eat dead carcasses," notes Josh Kosman, who's written about the private equity business for 15 years. He's "more of a parasitic capitalist, since he destroys profitable businesses."

                                          Judging by the title of his book—The Buyout of America: How Private Equity Is Destroying Jobs and Killing the American Economy—it's safe to assume that Kosman's no fan of the industry. But he concedes that the business isn't inherently wicked.

                                          The game works like this: Big-money investors write checks to people like Romney, who pool that money to buy or invest in other companies. Internal company documents show that a year before Romney left Bain in 1999, one of his funds had reached a massive $10 billion.
                                          Though Bain requires a $1 million minimum for a seat at the table, its investors don't come only from the wealthiest 1 percent. They also include college endowments and teachers' pension funds.

                                          Jon Burgstone, a professor at the University of California-Berkeley's Center for Entrepreneurship & Technology, sees private equity as essential to the economy. He may be a member of President Obama's National Finance Committee, but he's still an admirer of Bain. "Generally, private equity companies invest in larger firms that need reorganization, or in smaller companies that need growth capital," he says. And their management can usually benefit from "very bright Bain consultants."

                                          That feeling is shared by Steven Kaplan, among the foremost scholars in the field. The University of Chicago finance professor says that, statistically speaking, firms like Bain improve a company's cash flow while providing investors with a better return than the stock market.
                                          There's no question that Romney had a gift for minting money. In 1986, he bought medical-equipment manufacturer Calumet Coach for just $1 million, later flipping it for $34 million. He made 16 times his initial investment in the Gartner Group, a technology research firm. And in what was perhaps his crowning achievement, he bought a money-losing Wesley Jessen VisionCare for $6 million in 1994. Seven years later, it was sold for a dazzling $300 million.
                                          Kaplan argues that critics rarely mention these success stories, preferring to "cherry-pick" deals that paint Romney as unmerciful and gluttonous. "I think it's quite unfair," he says. "He was extremely successful at Bain generating returns for his investors. Bain Capital had a tremendous track record. When you invest in dozens of companies, some of those deals don't work out."
                                          But if critics are quick to disregard Romney's triumphs, defenders are equally swift to rationalize his catastrophes. They'll note that for all Romney's bankruptcies, most were rescued by new companies and survive today. It's the final dollar tally that matters. Yet they seem strangely incurious about the ruin he's delivered across the country.

                                          Take Kansas City, for example. The Armco plant closing involved more than the torching of 750 jobs, says Morrow. Contractors and suppliers collapsed. Workers' children and widows lost health care and pension benefits. And while Bain received millions in tax breaks—paid for by the very people left holding the bag—Romney walked away millions richer.

                                          So one might forgive everyday Americans for feeling they're on the wrong end of a rigged game, one in which the wealthy always win—no matter how inept—and the little guy is left to hack through the debris.

                                          Bain is a private company, meaning it has no obligation to reveal its practices. It's never made public a list of companies it's purchased. (Nor would Bain or the Romney campaign comment for this story.)
                                          So in January, The Wall Street Journal did its best to piece together Romney's track record, reviewing 77 investments made under his direction. It turned out that nearly one in three of the companies experienced severe financial trouble. One in five wound up in bankruptcy.
                                          The more telling figure: Of Romney's 10 biggest moneymakers, he ultimately destroyed four of them, leaving bankruptcy judges to clean up the mess.

                                          As Foster sees it, Romney was an early pioneer of gaming the system. It would take another decade before large banks used many of the same principles to detonate the mortgage industry.

                                          "The great irony is that his entire management experience at Bain Capital is buying companies and loading them up with debt and then looting the balance sheet," Foster says. "It's the very model that drove the American economy off the cliff, then left other people to manage the wreckage."

                                          Renee Fry doesn't recognize the tin man she sees on TV, the candidate so congenitally wooden that he makes Al Gore seem like Flavor Flav. She was Romney's deputy chief of staff when he was governor of Massachusetts. The guy she served was warm and considerate, quick to distill data and seize the big picture.

                                          "I'm lucky because I know him from the day-to-day Mitt," Fry says. "He liked going out and talking to people and learning from people. The Mitt I know had a real appreciation for people."
                                          But if Romney played the friendly politician, kindness wasn't his specialty at Bain. He was generous to ranking executives, rewarding CEOs with huge bonuses. Yet he tended to treat those below his pay grade as little more than machinery.

                                          Romney has repeatedly claimed to have created 100,000 jobs at Bain, and says that providing work for Americans was a primary company goal. He makes his case by citing Domino's, Sports Authority, and Staples, companies that added jobs after Bain bought in. But Bain bought Domino's just months before Romney left to run the Salt Lake City Olympics, meaning someone else created those jobs. And he didn't manage Staples or Sports Authority; Bain was a minority investor in both.

                                          By Romney's logic, any large investor—say, the Texas teachers' pension fund—also creates hundreds of thousands of jobs. The boast is so foolish that his campaign has since backed away from it.

                                          Even Kaplan admits that private equity firms rarely create jobs. Workers are seen as costs, and costs are the enemy. According to Kosman, Romney was in truth among the most heinous job-killers of them all.

                                          While writing his book, Kosman conducted an interview with a Bain managing partner. The man told him that when Bain was about to buy a company, its partners would hold a meeting. "He said that about half the time [they] would talk about cutting workers," says Kosman. "They would never talk about adding workers. He said that job growth was never part of the plan."
                                          That claim was buttressed by the Associated Press, which studied 45 companies bought by Bain during Romney's first decade. It found that 4,000 workers lost their jobs. The real figure is likely thousands higher, since the analysis didn't account for bankruptcies or factory or store closings.
                                          An example of Romney's cold-blooded approach is his 1994 purchase of Dade International, an Illinois medical-equipment company. He soon merged it with two similar firms, a move that tripled sales. Once again, he couldn't help but raid the vault, peeling away $100 million for himself and investors at the same time Dade was laying off 1,700 American workers.

                                          After Bain closed a Dade plant in Puerto Rico, human resources manager Cindy Hewitt was asked to lure a dozen of those employees to work in the company's Miami factory. But that plant soon closed as well. Though Romney was gobbling up millions, Bain still wanted those laid-off employees to repay their moving costs. "They were treated horribly," Hewitt told The New York Times. "There was absolutely no concern for the employees. It was truly and completely profit-focused."

                                          Yet Bain's molestation wasn't complete. It was trying to sell Dade, but didn't like the offers it received on the open market. So it created an artificial market of its own. In 1999 it forced Dade to borrow $242 million, which was used to buy back company stock from Bain, Dade executives, and their banker, Goldman Sachs.

                                          Bain was again extracting profits with borrowed money. It had pushed Dade's debt to a bracing $2 billion. To help pay for the deal, the company laid off another 367 workers. But that debt proved too much for Dade's shoulders to carry. Three years later, the company was bankrupt.
                                          Kosman calls it standard Romney operating procedure. To pump short-term earnings, he would essentially "starve a company," whacking not just employees, but customer service and research-and-development funding—the very ingredients of long-term prosperity.

                                          "I think they're one of the worst, at least during Romney's time," Kosman says. "They were very aggressive about dividends. They were very aggressive about borrowing the most money they could. He's very driven to be the best he could be, and that was to be as cutthroat as he could be. But in the process, he hurt a lot of companies and cost a lot of jobs, maybe tens of thousands of jobs."

                                          Kosman says it's telling that Romney never cites companies he actually managed as evidence of his job-building skills.

                                          "If Romney had some stories to tell, he'd use those stories," he says. "I think it's very interesting that he's not telling those stories, because I think they don't exist."

                                          Romney's economic views were on stark parade during this year's Michigan primary. He ripped President Obama for bailing out the auto industry, arguing that it should have been dealt with in his favorite resting place: bankruptcy court. He was particularly incensed that the president rescued workers' pension funds before covering Wall Street's bad loans.

                                          But his faith in the free market wobbles when his friends need rescuing. Romney just as vigorously defends the $10 billion government bailout of Goldman Sachs, his investment partner at Bain.

                                          After all, Romney frequently assumed the role of welfare queen himself. In 1988, he bought South Carolina photo-album maker Holson Burnes. In exchange for the firm's promise to build a new factory, the people of Gaffney, South Carolina, gave Bain $5 million in bonds and $200,000 in utility upgrades. The plant closed just four years later. The 100 jobs there were later shipped to Mexico.

                                          At GSI, he dumped $44 million in pension shortfalls on the federal government. And when he bought mattress-maker Sealy in 1997, he took $600,000 in welfare to move the firm from Ohio to North Carolina.

                                          Even a company Romney cites as one of his greatest achievements—Steel Dynamics, where he was a minority investor—was practically launched by corporate welfare. Indiana taxpayers gave the firm $77 million to open a plant. Residents of DeKalb County actually had their income taxes raised solely to help Romney and his friends.

                                          Tad DeHaven calls it "theft and redistribution." He's no yammering Trotskyite; DeHaven is a former budget advisor to Republican U.S. senators Jeff Sessions of Alabama and Tom Coburn of Oklahoma. Yet he notes that firms like Bain often get governments to subsidize their raiding parties.

                                          The feds take $100 billion a year from everyday taxpayers and send it straight to companies like Romney's, says DeHaven, who now works for the Cato Institute, a conservative think tank.

                                          But like most good Republicans, he's reticent to single out the candidate for criticism. "It depends on what he knew and Bain's involvement in obtaining subsidies," DeHaven says. "I don't know if it makes him a hypocrite or not, but he should answer questions about it."

                                          Those answers won't be forthcoming. Romney refuses to discuss most of the companies he purchased at Bain, nor will he release his tax records from those years. As a result, voters are left to make their own call on his catalogue of creative destruction—and what he might be like as president.

                                          Romney has professed his admiration for Ronald Reagan. But judging by his business history, the president he most resembles is Vladimir Putin. Romney has devoted his life to ensuring that every last penny rises to a few hands at the top. And like Putin, he's never shown much concern for the countrymen he tramples along the way.

                                          "The word 'oligarchy' comes to mind," says Michael Keating, when asked to envision a Romney presidency. Keating is a former business consultant and executive at Bertelsmann, a multinational investment firm that operates in 63 countries. He asserts that men like Romney "hide their antisocial actions behind a rhetoric of free-market capitalist platitudes. But in the end, it's all about the bottom line—and only their own bottom line.

                                          "I don't think Romney is so much dangerous as he is unimaginative," Keating adds. "And in the world we live in, that amounts to the same thing."

                                          I must admit that I underestimated Romney. I thought he was just another spoiled rich boy like bush. He is actually much more dangerous than that. He was several steps ahead of the bankers like Goldmann in figuring out how to take a company, turn in into a shell and borrow massive amounts of cash, take the cash, dump the company but keep the cash, and leave everyone but himself in bankruptcy with everyone else holding the bag. Since neither he nor Bain(Bane) want to discuss how many companies they have sodomized this way, its difficult the get accurate numbers but clearly they have gutted and left for dead far more companies than they have helped. He is a thief. bet Michael Milken is sooo proud of him...

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                                            Reply#789 - Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:55 PM EDT

                                            Romney doesn't have a plan to fix what's wrong with the American economy and help the world economy as well. He just wants to succeed where his father (George Romney), (bless his soul), couldn't, because (GM), he spoke for a greater truth; than what he had been, indoctrinated into, from a child.

                                            George Romney was a man of solid convictions; but he never stopped seeking the truth. He paid for it politically, but found an inner peace.

                                            Mitt hasn't a clue; what to do. He's an opportunist with deep pockets. You can bet; for every dollar spent, on this campaign, there is already monetary kick backs calculated into covering his eventual loss in the General Election.

                                              Reply#790 - Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:42 PM EDT
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