I believe Romney is very charismatic in person, but on the campaign trail and in the MSM he acts rather reserved from all the criticism he faces.

You can see it with Obama, too. When he has the crowd he is very charismatic and dynamic. However, when someone pushes back, Obama does "the face".

As long as he can pass a minimum test of competency ... well as long as he can add that to his world class ability to lie, he should be a shoe in. Like to bend over for the soap do you Bob?

Bob, Willard, the cowardly rat has not accomplished anything similar to our President. Contrary to your assertion President Obama has.

He’s gotten more done in three years than any president in decades. Too bad the American public still thinks he hasn’t accomplished anything. By Paul Glastris

March/ April 2012Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

Didn't get the link in in time, but you know... Obama's "the face". Not very charismatic.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/barack-obama-sad.jpg

There is no doubt the liberal media has been able to portray Obama as a likable guy. But as hard as they try they just can't make him look like an effective as leader. Sooner or later commonsense wins out. Obama had no leadership history in 2008 to help or hurt him and the country took a chance. I doubt they gamble another 4 years on him. VOTE FOR CHANGE IN 2012!

Romney supports the "Ryan Plan" (more tax cuts for millionaires, more pay cuts for Working Americans, abolishing Social Security AND Medicare) and Grover Nordquist (Republicans have a signed contract with Grover Nordquist to give more tax cuts to the rich, and more pay cuts for Working Americans). Romney is NOT the man for the American People.

Obama / Biden 2012

Romney has some work to do, after the primaries. He went far right to get win the primaries, and now its more difficult to move to "the center".

I don't know how you move to "the center" in today's age. Everything is recorded, blogged, tweeted, in seconds. It's not like what he said during the primaries is going to disappear.

Additionally, Romney has the flip/flop problem. Moving to the center will be more flip/flopping.

Republicans say that Obama has failed, yet the GDP has grown each and every quarter since he was elected. The automotive industry is back on course. The DOW has gained 5000 under him.

Republicans are doing a good job of attacking Obama, but the present no solutions (in detail) to the problems facing America.

TO: UAW Pleeeeeeeease who wrote:

"...There is no doubt the liberal media has been able to portray Obama as a likable guy. But as hard as they try they just can't make him look like an effective as leader..."

Republicans have always believed that if they did nothing but vote against our Recovery, that they could somehow benefit from their abusive behavior. To me, that's nothing but treasonist activity by Republicans who haven't given a crap about the American People in more than a decade.

Now Republicans expect the American People to reward Republicans who have done everything to harm us, and don't even have it on the Republican radar to correct Republicans' destructive behavior!

You must be nuts.

Obama / Biden 2012

Bob,

The Republicans have fully displayed for the American Public just what buffoons and idiots they are. Having voted Republican, I will vote for Obama this year for reasons any smart voter understands. You either have to be stone stupid or plain racist to be anti Obama. Republicans have not fielded any worthy candidate since G.Bush and we all know with straight faces just what that debacle got us. At least Obama has tried. More than any Republican since Ronald Regan. Anyone that votes Republican this year is in denial. Just ask Congress. If you can wake them.

Yeah...that's pretty much the election in a nutshell.

I'm not saying Romney is terrible/wretched/whatever. not insulting him in the least.

Not saying Obama is the next messiah, either.

But the Grover Norquist thing is his undoing. He signed the pledge.

And let's just say Mr. Norquist isn't exactly popular this year.

You should all go and read the article about Mitt Romney at the Village Voice/courtesy of The Obama Diary. He is a despicable person.

Here's a small excerpt:

While writing his book, Kosman conducted an interview with a Bain managing partner. The man told him that when Bain was about to buy a company, its partners would hold a meeting. "He said that about half the time [they] would talk about cutting workers," Kosman says. "They would never talk about adding workers. He said that job growth was never part of the plan."

That claim was buttressed by the Associated Press, which studied 45 companies bought by Bain during Romney's first decade. It found that 4,000 workers lost their jobs. The real figure is likely thousands higher, since the analysis didn't account for bankruptcies and factory and store closings.

An example of Romney's cold-blooded approach is his 1994 purchase of Dade International, an Illinois medical-equipment company. He soon merged it with two similar firms, a move that tripled sales.

Once again, he couldn't help but raid the vault, peeling away $100 million for himself and investors at the same time Dade was laying off 1,700 American workers.

After Bain closed a Dade plant in Puerto Rico, human-resources manager Cindy Hewitt was asked to lure a dozen of those employees to work in the company's Miami factory.

But that plant soon closed as well. Although Romney was gobbling up millions, Bain still wanted those laid-off employees to repay their moving costs.

"They were treated horribly," Hewitt told The New York Times. "There was absolutely no concern for the employees. It was truly and completely profit-focused."

Yet Bain's molestation wasn't complete. It was trying to sell Dade but didn't like the offers it received on the open market. So it created an artificial market of its own.

In 1999, it forced Dade to borrow $242 million, which was used to buy back company stock from Bain, Dade executives, and their banker, Goldman Sachs.

Bain was again extracting profits with borrowed money. It had pushed Dade's debt to a bracing $2 billion. To help pay for the deal, the company laid off another 367 workers.

But that debt proved too much for Dade's shoulders to carry. Three years later, the company was bankrupt.

Kosman calls it standard Romney operating procedure. To pump short-term earnings, he would essentially "starve a company," whacking not just employees, but also customer-service and research-and-development funding—the ingredients of long-term prosperity.

"I think they're one of the worst, at least during Romney's time," Kosman says. "They were very aggressive about dividends. They were very aggressive about borrowing the most money they could. He's very driven to be the best he could be, and that was to be as cutthroat as he could be. But in the process, he hurt a lot of companies and cost a lot of jobs, maybe tens of thousands of jobs."

Kosman says it's telling that Romney never cites companies he actually managed as evidence of his job-building skills.

"If Romney had some stories to tell, he'd use those stories," he says. "I think it's very interesting that he's not telling those stories because I think they don't exist."

The Welfare Queen

Romney's economic views were on stark parade during this year's Michigan primary. He ripped President Obama for bailing out the auto industry and argued that it should have been dealt with in his favorite resting place: bankruptcy court.

He was particularly incensed that the president rescued workers' pension funds before covering Wall Street's bad loans.

But his faith in the free market wobbles when his friends need rescuing. Romney just as vigorously defends the $10 billion government bailout of Goldman Sachs, his investment partner at Bain.

After all, Romney frequently assumed the role of welfare queen himself.

In 1988, he bought South Carolina photo-album maker Holson Burnes. In exchange for the firm's promise to build a new factory, the people of Gaffney, South Carolina, gave Bain $5 million in bonds and $200,000 in utility upgrades.

The plant closed just four years later. The 100 jobs there were later shipped to Mexico.

At GSI, he dumped $44 million in pension shortfalls on the federal government. And when he bought mattress maker Sealy in 1997, he took $600,000 in welfare to move the firm from Ohio to North Carolina.

The President of Russia

Those answers won't be forthcoming. Romney refuses to discuss most of the companies he purchased at Bain, nor will he release his tax records from those years. As a result, voters are left to make their own call on his catalog of creative destruction—and what he might be like as president.

Romney has professed his admiration for Ronald Reagan. But judging by his business history, the president he most resembles is Vladimir Putin. Romney has devoted his life to ensuring that every last penny rises to a few hands at the top. And like Putin, he has never shown much concern for the countrymen he tramples along the way.

"The word 'oligarchy' comes to mind," says Michael Keating when asked to envision a Romney presidency.

Keating is a former business consultant and executive at Bertelsmann, a multinational investment firm that operates in 63 countries. He asserts that men like Romney "hide their antisocial actions behind a rhetoric of free-market capitalist platitudes. But in the end, it's all about the bottom line—and only their own bottom line . . ."

While writing his book, Kosman conducted an interview with a Bain managing partner. The man told him that when Bain was about to buy a company, its partners would hold a meeting. "He said that about half the time [they] would talk about cutting workers," Kosman says. "They would never talk about adding workers. He said that job growth was never part of the plan."

That claim was buttressed by the Associated Press, which studied 45 companies bought by Bain during Romney's first decade. It found that 4,000 workers lost their jobs. The real figure is likely thousands higher, since the analysis didn't account for bankruptcies and factory and store closings.

An example of Romney's cold-blooded approach is his 1994 purchase of Dade International, an Illinois medical-equipment company. He soon merged it with two similar firms, a move that tripled sales.

Once again, he couldn't help but raid the vault, peeling away $100 million for himself and investors at the same time Dade was laying off 1,700 American workers.

After Bain closed a Dade plant in Puerto Rico, human-resources manager Cindy Hewitt was asked to lure a dozen of those employees to work in the company's Miami factory.

But that plant soon closed as well. Although Romney was gobbling up millions, Bain still wanted those laid-off employees to repay their moving costs.

"They were treated horribly," Hewitt told The New York Times. "There was absolutely no concern for the employees. It was truly and completely profit-focused."

Yet Bain's molestation wasn't complete. It was trying to sell Dade but didn't like the offers it received on the open market. So it created an artificial market of its own.

In 1999, it forced Dade to borrow $242 million, which was used to buy back company stock from Bain, Dade executives, and their banker, Goldman Sachs.

Bain was again extracting profits with borrowed money. It had pushed Dade's debt to a bracing $2 billion. To help pay for the deal, the company laid off another 367 workers.

But that debt proved too much for Dade's shoulders to carry. Three years later, the company was bankrupt.

Kosman calls it standard Romney operating procedure. To pump short-term earnings, he would essentially "starve a company," whacking not just employees, but also customer-service and research-and-development funding—the ingredients of long-term prosperity.

"I think they're one of the worst, at least during Romney's time," Kosman says. "They were very aggressive about dividends. They were very aggressive about borrowing the most money they could. He's very driven to be the best he could be, and that was to be as cutthroat as he could be. But in the process, he hurt a lot of companies and cost a lot of jobs, maybe tens of thousands of jobs."

Kosman says it's telling that Romney never cites companies he actually managed as evidence of his job-building skills.

"If Romney had some stories to tell, he'd use those stories," he says. "I think it's very interesting that he's not telling those stories because I think they don't exist."

The Welfare Queen

Romney's economic views were on stark parade during this year's Michigan primary. He ripped President Obama for bailing out the auto industry and argued that it should have been dealt with in his favorite resting place: bankruptcy court.

He was particularly incensed that the president rescued workers' pension funds before covering Wall Street's bad loans.

But his faith in the free market wobbles when his friends need rescuing. Romney just as vigorously defends the $10 billion government bailout of Goldman Sachs, his investment partner at Bain.

After all, Romney frequently assumed the role of welfare queen himself.

In 1988, he bought South Carolina photo-album maker Holson Burnes. In exchange for the firm's promise to build a new factory, the people of Gaffney, South Carolina, gave Bain $5 million in bonds and $200,000 in utility upgrades.

The plant closed just four years later. The 100 jobs there were later shipped to Mexico.

At GSI, he dumped $44 million in pension shortfalls on the federal government. And when he bought mattress maker Sealy in 1997, he took $600,000 in welfare to move the firm from Ohio to North Carolina.

TO: Alan, NJ who wrote:

"...a web site ... has a picture of the Obama family including the girls.

Is the President now "pimping" out his daughters ...?

Only as much as Romney is "pimping" out his sons.

I've yet to hear an intelligent argument about why the American People should vote against their own best interests in order to vote for a "Nordquist lacky" who only needs to sign whatever Nordquist puts in front him (Romney).

Mega-millionaires are doing better than ever. It's time for Working Americans to catch up.

Obama / Biden 2012

oh pleeeeaaase Alan. Name one politician who hasn't dragged his family in front of a camera at election time. Is that really the best you can do?

So Nugent is a charismatic fan of Romney, and wants to follow the radical-extremist Muslim policy of beheading any anti-Romney citizen. Where do we liberals/progressives line up for this extreme terrorist treatment. Will it take place in a public square, or will it be like Nazi Germany, where the SS drags us from our homes and performs the executions on the street, or will it be done at the polling booth, where a vote for Obama equates to a machete to the neck?

What is very clear is a vote for Romney is a vote for Muslim extreme acts of violence.

I can't wait for the debates.

“oh, oh, if, I did, I didn’t, go vote for someone else, leave me alone, I didn’t say that, help, corporations are people to, I know business, I fire people, help, bet you 10 grand, leave me along, I love dogs, I ate one too, or was that a cat, you are mean, help. “

Alan from NJ...I'm baffled. Family pictures include the children. Is it different in your Parallel World?

Hey just pointing out the criticism by this network, MSNBC, of Hillary Clinton and the insults thrown by David Schuster at Chelsea.

Obviously the people here have short memories.

I've yet to hear an intelligent argument about why the American People should vote against their own best interests in order to vote for a "Nordquist lacky" who only needs to sign whatever Nordquist puts in front him (Romney).

That's only because you don't understand the debate.

Tell me, did candidate Obama specifically say that he was against "forcing people to buy insurance"? Does the ACA have a provision mandating that every citizen buy insurance?

“Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care. She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it,” Obama said in a Feb. 28, 2008 appearance on Ellen DeGeneres' television show.

So why should I believe anything he says?

Well, I don't think the GOP are gambling on the debates. The debates really just favor the most 'witty' candidate over the other. It's not really a hallmark of leadership or competency, it's just who's the wittiest.

Standup comedians are very witty and would do fabulous in a debate. Just saying, don't put too much faith here.

On the other hand, debates are a very simple way to contrast two candidates.

So my money is on...Romney won't debate this election cycle. He'll avoid them. He doesn't think great on his feet and tends to gaffe when he's asked unexpected questions or the conversations takes a turn down a rabbit hole.

He'll cite whatever excuse he can, and try to keep his monologue attacks going on.

It will cost him some points, since he'll be perceived as 'cowardly', but he'll try to make them up on attacking the economy.

the voters will follow their inclination to throw out a demonstrably failed President, charismatic or not.

What is demonstrable is that Romney is an unabashed liar and opportunist. President Obama is historic not only because he is the first minority president but also because he saved this country from going over a Republican fabricated economic cliff and he brought the end of at least one Republican war. Of course the Republicans strategy has always been (before he was even elected) to attack, attack, and attack some more no matter what he did. Their strategy has been to obstruct him and oppose anything he is for in order to make him a single-term president. By no sane analysis could Obama be considered a failure, just the basic fact that he prevented a deep economic depression, killed Osama Bin Laden and ended the Iraq War would prove that is the case.

No, this is not about a failed President Obama, this is about the Republicans wanting to put a stranglehold on the economic, political and moral throat of the country. This is about not accepting diversity and heterogeneity in the United States. This is about protecting the corporate-billionaire monopoly on power. This is about disenfranchising the middle class, women and minorities. This is about circumventing rationality, reason, science and compassion.

Of course Romney's numbers are increasing, not at all because his image has actually improved, but rather because Republicans are expert at falling into line, circling the wagons and supporting the right-wing figurehead of the party. Just as they have done for decades. You can rest assured Republicans don't like Etcha-a-sketch anymore than they did last week - they just no longer have any choice in the matter. Of course they've made their bed and now they have to sleep in it and you can be sure they will get the crabs sleeping with flip-flop Romney.

Good luck Republicans, you're going to need it!

Obama/Biden 2012

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That's Bev for you. Always confusing activity with accomplishments.

No, I haven't confused a thing. You have. That link was for people like you to learn something instead of the Willard "myth" Rob-mey & FOX LIES.

Here read them. Then compare and contrast what activites factor in as any accomplishment Romney has.

You can scratch Bain Capital and his state being #47 out of 50 in unemployment. Then see if you list any worthwhile Romney achievements.

President Obama has gotten more done in three years than any president in decades. Too bad the American public still thinks he hasn't accomplished anything. By Paul Glastris

March/ April 2012Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php

You tell it like it is Eric. I also find it noteworthy that Mitt Romney has proven he can't be trusted.

Hey Alan NJ....Pssst...come here.......you do know that mandating people to buy insurance is a republican plan don't you?...Pssssssst.......Designed by republican think tanks to counter Hilary a few years back....pssssst......don't tell anyone, but Romney, Gingrich, McCain, and the Boehner all supported that plan until Pres Obama put the plan in the healthcare to appease the repubs in order to get some health care for millions of people.......SSSSHHHHHHHhh. Don't tell anyone they can search this and find out it is fact.....

Bev, did you even read his accomplishments? Its like a compilation of cash give away's and dismantling the Nations security... Yea! Not to mention that many of the items listed are repeats of the same thing...This is a reach even for you Bev...

TO: Alan, NJ who wrote:

I've yet to hear an intelligent argument about why the American People should vote against their own best interests in order to vote for a "Nordquist lacky" who only needs to sign whatever Nordquist puts in front him (Romney).

That's only because you don't understand the debate.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Since when did my opinion turn into a "debate"?

Maybe because it's Republicans who believe they're supposed to be the only ones "in charge" everything and everybody, including our minds, and it should be Republicans who tell us how to think, when to think, and what to think about, like they do their voters! No thanks wackos.

Obama / Biden 2012

Mark, you and the liberals appear to be getting a little scared your great one isn't getting re elected. Keep spinning your BS. The independants are seeing the light, you can't fool them anymore.

starsailing - Pssst maybe republicans were apprehensive about passing legislation that no one had read in its entirety before it was passed...this was one of the biggest pieces of legislation in decades, and the leadership that you stand behind passed it and did not even vetted or read the bill! You must be so proud of being led by the blind...you know what they say about the blind leading the blind....

Just look at Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, Arizona, Mississippi, North Carolina and and Alabama if you want to see what a Mitt Romney presidency would look like for the country. Say goodbye to legal abortion, hormonal contraception, the middle class, women's health care for the poor, public education, environmental protection laws, fairness in the tax system, International respect, peace, science, reason and compassion. Just look at Governor Walker if you want to see what Romney will be pushing - gutting environmental laws, slashing public education, teachers jobs, ending collective bargaining, attacking fair pay for women, attacking Planned Parenthood, cutting taxes for the rich, lowering or ending the minimum wage, and snuggling up with billionaire's and corporations.

Oh yeah, and get used to Robert Bork choosing the appointees to the Supreme Court. That means bye-bye legal abortions, hello "personhood" legislation, goodbye to immigration reform, hello to automatic weapon packing rednecks in every public space, hello to religion and prayer in government, and decades of continued Citizen United funding of politics. Romney and Bork will essentially institute American Taliban rule for most of the rest of your life with a court packed full of theocratic right-wing ideologues.

FACT TIME:

The Obama ad that is causing Alan such grief is being run by a PAC that is independent of President Obama. The President is prohibited BY LAW from interfering with the operation of the PAC.

Alan, interesting that you raise the mandatory insurance issue. Recall, that early in his term Obama actually thought that he could sit down with the Republican leaders and negotiate policies that all could agree on. At that negotiating table the Republicans insisted that all Americans be required to purchase health insurance to make the pool as large as possible to spread the risk - just like their health care bill they introduced in 1979. Obama agreed, although his preference was for a single payer system.

Then the Republicans, who got what they wanted in the health care bill, turned on Obama and the bill like rabid dogs. Obama learned his lesson, but was willing to try again to reach an agreement on a deficit reduction bill that would have raised some taxes and would make $4 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years. Boenher agreed but couldn't get his newly elected tea party members to go along. That apparently was the last straw for Obama's hope of seeing real bipartisanship coming from the Republicans.

Hey Alan NJ....Pssst...come here.......you do know that mandating people to buy insurance is a republican plan don't you?..

So is cutting taxes and the size and reach of the Federal Government. You for that? How about individual accounts instead of SS? Now that the Administration claims they can mandate citizens to buy a product from a third-party (private) company, you should have no problem when President Romney mandates you to buy a 401(k) from Fidelity. Precedents suck don't they.

Since when did my opinion turn into a "debate"?

Sorry, I mistook you for an open mind who is interested in differing opinions. My mistake.

Hey Marky...pssst...that's the same thing Gingrinch, McCain, and Boehner said about their plan, they didn't fully read their own plan so that's why they flip flopped. Nice try boys, not reading your own plan. When you walk your dog and it poops on the ground, it is your mess to clean up because it is your dog. Take ownership or don't walk the dog.

AmericanGirl.... Bravo!..........Obama/Biden 2012!

Bev, did you even read his accomplishments? Its like a compilation of cash give away's and dismantling the Nations security...

Now you expect us to believe shooting Osama Bin Laden in the head was nothing but a cash-giveaway? Ending the Iraq War dismantled the nations security? Another absurd joke from the right-wing!

Alan, interesting that you raise the mandatory insurance issue. Recall, that early in his term Obama actually thought that he could sit down with the Republican leaders and negotiate policies that all could agree on. At that negotiating table the Republicans insisted that all Americans be required to purchase health insurance to make the pool as large as possible to spread the risk - just like their health care bill they introduced in 1979. Obama agreed, although his preference was for a single payer system.

Please. It was his own party that wouldn't negotiate with him. Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu were all against single-payer. And if you think they were wrong look what happened. Blanche Lincoln was defeated in the primary and her opponent lost the general all over her health care vote (she went too far even with the individual mandate). Ben Nelson, retires instead of facing the voters. Scott Brown gets elected in Massachusetts. A Republican gets elected to Kennedy's old seat by specifically running against the ACA.

If you think only Republicans didn't agree with him you're living in a fantasy land. The right of his own party could not get their electorate to agree to this, and neither did the voters of a Democratic bastion.

Politifact's rankings on Romney: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/

True statements 23

Mostly true 18

Half true 32

Mostly false 20

False 19

Pants on fire lies 13

From the latter category (Pants on fire lies):

"President Obama is ending Medicare as we know it"

"Ronald Reagan’s philosophy of "peace through strength" is why "the Iranians released the hostages on the same day and at the same hour that Reagan was sworn in.""

Says in the 2012 State of the Union address, President Obama "didn't even mention the deficit or debt."

The U.S. military is at risk of losing its "military superiority" because "our Navy is smaller than it's been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947."

"We're only inches away from no longer being a free economy."

Says Barack Obama said, "If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose."

President Obama "went around the world and apologized for America."

President Obama’s health care law "represents a government takeover of health care."

Romney lacks substance. Just another republican kernel shy cob wraped in a big shuck.

During the repubbie primaries, Mittens polling numbers fell the more he was seen and heard. When the next round of the general election goes into high gear, Romoney will be faced with the same problem, the more the voters get to see and hear him the worse his poll numbers will become. He is just a fraud, disguised as a candudidate. Truly he is his own worst enemy.

From politifact.com: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/statements/byruling/false/

Romney Statements Rated as False:

Says Barack Obama "is the only president to ever cut $500 billion from Medicare."

"The president gave the (auto) companies to the UAW."

"This president went before the United Nations and castigated Israel for building settlements. He said nothing about thousands of rockets being rained in on Israel from the Gaza Strip."

Says President Barack Obama has opened up no new trade relationships with other nations.

Eliminating "Obamacare" ... "saves $95 billion a year."

Says the National Labor Relations Board told Boeing that it couldn’t build a factory in South Carolina because South Carolina is a right-to-work state.

Repealing the health care law "would save $95 billion in 2016."

Says Barack Obama "never worked in the private sector" before he was elected president.

"This is the slowest job recovery since Hoover."

"Today there are more men and women out of work in America than there are people working in Canada."

Several times, Obama "has apologized for what he deems to be American arrogance, dismissiveness, and derision; for dictating solutions, for acting unilaterally ... ."

"I don't have lobbyists running my campaign."

"I just talked about guns. I told you what my position was, and what I did as governor, the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA."

"The Z-visa that was offered in that Senate bill let everybody who's here illegally, other than criminals, stay here for the rest of their lives."

FACT TIME:

The Obama ad that is causing Alan such grief is being run by a PAC that is independent of President Obama. The President is prohibited BY LAW from interfering with the operation of the PAC.

When I clicked on it it took me here. Doesn't look like a PAC and I'm not entering my email. I did check the privacy statement and I'm guessing that this is the offical re-election site because why else would they quote the FEC $200 clause.

What say you now David?

In addition, the Federal Election Commission (FEC) may require us to collect personal information from donors. For example, the FEC requires us to collect (and disclose) the name, mailing address, occupation, and employer of all individuals whose donations exceed $200 per calendar year.

http://www.barackobama.com/obama-for-america-2012-campaign?source=OM2012_LB_G_lb-Obama2012-content-banner_obama-name_0212working-c_160x600&utm_medium=om2012&utm_source=G&utm_campaign=LB_lb-Obama2012-content-banner&utm_content=0212working-c_160x600&gclid=CIG-6JPMwa8CFQaFhwodtD42yQ

@ Job1:

I too can't wait till the debates. "It was bushes fault, If it wasn't for the previous administration, I killed Osama with my bare hands, Republicans are bad people because they don't agree with me, Oh, did I mention it's Bushes fault?"

I've got my counter and as you people like to say popcorn ready.

Oh, Alan, you know what David will say- the same blather he always provides when proven wrong.

Oh, and Pat?

Ever hear of Staples?

The "favorability index" is a bulls**t statistic that means nothing.....particularly since the poll was conducted by NBC. I heard the poll result that counts on the radio this morning, (can't recall the pollster), but responding VOTERS preferred Romney 45-44% in the upcoming election....not good numbers for an incumbent, just ask "Peanut" Carter.

TO: TwistedFister who wrote:

"@ Job1:

I too can't wait till the debates. "It was bushes fault, If it wasn't for the previous administration, I killed Osama with my bare hands, Republicans are bad people because they don't agree with me, Oh, did I mention it's Bushes fault?"

I've got my counter and as you people like to say popcorn ready."

Pardon me, but are you trying to say something?

What's your point?

Obama / Biden 2012

Alan:

I say you don't know how to run an Internet search worth a damn. All ya gotta do is type "Obama PAC" into a search block. You're the one who provided the parameters. You gave me all the information. I just did the rest.

Lo Info No Jo:

Care to show where I was wrong? Come on girl. You can do it. Just kidding. No, you can't.

Alan from NJ.......You are a LOLZ....Why is your vampire better than my politician?......The President is suppose to be a politician you know ....not a business man....especially a corporate raiding business man......You are an extremist chump in my eyes....The good of the whole is more important than the good of you.....or me for that matter...All you guys want the same thing....Hold them accountable to the what? Economy? LOLZ....But with smaller government and wait...wait and no government involvement in private industry....You guys are lame with your ridiculousness and I might add nonsense...The largest single amount of wealth was lost ....when? 08' on your idiots (GWB)watch.....responsible for a 10 trillion deficit in 8 years that equals what? 5 trillion a term....hmmmm and you loved your idiot...I can tell...If I have to write in crayon for you how this single largest (throughout the whole history of the world) loss of wealth in 08' wasn't an easily recoverable scenario in a matter of year and If I have to write in crayon that trickle down economics do not work (we did that for a full eight years) then you deserve the life of loneliness and misery that I am sure you exist in and might be happier in the Southern less educated areas (people will think you are smart and believe you). The facts the economy is better, job creation is increasing, small business credit is starting to free up and GM has record profits........and yet you try to spin him as a failure...You are truly foolish and ignorant in your comments...You are coming off as kinda stupid....

Gallup has Romney up 5 pts over Obama. Trending higher.

Peter: "The facts the economy is better, job creation is increasing, small business credit is starting to free up and GM has record profits"

Your "facts" are a few weeks stale. You haven't been following the news lately, have you? Jobless claims back up. Manufacturing down. Home sales (and prices) dropping again. Earnings down.

http://www.ourfuture.org/fact-sheets-briefs/record-breaking-republican-obstructionism

Most obstructionist Congress of all time - Republicans!

and: http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

"Even before Barack Obama took the oath office, Republicans leaders, conservative think-tanks and right-wing pundits were calling for total obstruction of the new president's agenda. Bill Kristol, who helped block Bill Clinton's health care reform attempt in 1993, called for history to repeat on the Obama stimulus - and everything else. Pointing with pride to the Clinton economic program which received exactly zero GOP votes in either House, Kristol in January 2009 advised:

"That it made, that it made it so much easier to then defeat his health care initiative. So, it's very important for Republicans who think they're going to have to fight later on health care, fight later on maybe on some of the bank bailout legislation, fight later on on all kinds of issues.""

Eric, a true leader pre-empts filibusters. That's how Reagan got a lot done with a Democrat-controlled Congress, and Clinton got a lot done with a Republican-controlled Congress. And what did Reagan and Clinton have in common? They'd both had executive experience, having both been governors, and both in states where the legislature was dominated by the other party. Romney has had the same experience, a Republican governor managing a completely Democrat-dominated government.

Obama has had no such experience. He's not a bad person. He just doesn't know what he's doing.

Imagine you life with Romney as President.

1. Your healthcare coverage for your children with preexisting coverage will be dropped. You will no longer be able to purchase insurance if you have any health conditions or you will be dropped from your insurance if you get sick.
2. Your elderly parent or grandparent will need to pay more for their medicare - which eventually will be turned into a voucher program which will not cover the cost of their extremely expensive healthcare. So to save money, they will need to live with you. Get your spare room ready.
3. Social security will be privatized - so another downturn in the stock market will wipe-out the only safety net for millions of people. Get your spare room ready, you older relatives will be living with you.
4. If your job isn't sent out of the country, your minimum wage job's pay will be reduced. Barely enough to buy food. But at least you have a job, until they can figure out how to transfer your job to another worker for less.
5. If you belong to a union now? That will be "fixed" and the unions will be dissolved to "save the tax payer"
6. Your environment. water, food, will no longer be tested for safety. The EPA and the FDA will be hobbled or eliminated. You're health will get worse as your healthcare coverage will no longer be affordable. You file for bankruptcy (The Romney safety net)
7. Since you filed for Bankruptcy, your landlord will throw you out. There's no longer any agency to protect you from unlawful eviction.
8. The credit card companies will be able to charge you whatever they wish, no limit.
9. The banks will be able to charge you any fee they deem necessary, no limit.
10. A war will be started with Iran, because too much money can be made by Bane capital and Haliburton.
11. All or our national parks will be up to the highest bidder for drilling. There will be no EPA to keep the water clean or protect wildlife.

Think all of this is far fetched? Read the Ryan/Romney plan.

Anybody else get the feeling were on the Titanic? Seems the only debate between the GOP and Dems is whether to hit the iceberg at full speed ahead or at full speed ahead.

Rob-523523

Eric, a true leader pre-empts filibusters. That's how Reagan got a lot done with a Democrat-controlled Congress, and Clinton got a lot done with a Republican-controlled Congress. And what did Reagan and Clinton have in common? They'd both had executive experience, having both been governors, and both in states where the legislature was dominated by the other party. Romney has had the same experience, a Republican governor managing a completely Democrat-dominated government.

Not if the opposing party is dominated by a bloc of voters who are extremely anti-Obama. Remember the Tea Party??? They hijacked the party in 2010 and have prevented them from making any compromises. The Democratic Party is steadily center-left on the political spectrum, while the GOP are continuing to swing to the right. Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan didn't have fierce partisanship in their parties, especially Reagan thanks to the uniting force of anti-communism.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

"Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan didn't have fierce partisanship in their parties, especially Reagan thanks to the uniting force of anti-communism."

You're kidding right? They both faced fierce partisanship, Clinton to the point of impeachment. But they both knew how to negotiate, and they both knew when (and when not to) compromise. They also both knew how to be inclusive when dealing with the opposite side of the aisle, rather than simply locking them out of "closed door" sessions. It's as much art as it is science. Clinton and Reagan were both results-oriented, and both knew how to drive to resolution. These are skills you learn via the school of hard knocks, not in academia. It comes from managerial and executive experience, and Obama was elected with neither in his background. His comfort-zone is campaigning, giving speeches. Good leaders should know how to make a good speech. But a gift for giving good speeches does not necessarily equate with strong managerial skills. Obama was totally underqualified going in, and he's taking too long to learn the job.

Hey Alan NJ....Pssst...come here.......you do know that mandating people to buy insurance is a republican plan don't you?..

So is cutting taxes and the size and reach of the Federal Government. You for that? How about individual accounts instead of SS? Now that the Administration claims they can mandate citizens to buy a product from a third-party (private) company, you should have no problem when President Romney mandates you to buy a 401(k) from Fidelity. Precedents suck don't they.

Unfortunately, cutting taxes increases the deficit and can actually harm the economy because of the increased deficits, not to mention their effect on income inequality. As for the federal government size, nowadays we NEED a big federal government. The days of limited government are over, and thank God. I personally prefer a single-payer system, but the individual mandate is nonetheless a good decision. As for the ACA, the government cannot force you to buy a product from a specific company. So Romney cannot force me to buy a 401(k) from Fidelity. And a 401(k) isn't always necessary; health insurance is.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

You're kidding right? They both faced fierce partisanship, Clinton to the point of impeachment. But they both knew how to negotiate, and they both knew when (and when not to) compromise. They also both knew how to be inclusive when dealing with the opposite side of the aisle, rather than simply locking them out of "closed door" sessions. It's as much art as it is science. Clinton and Reagan were both results-oriented, and both knew how to drive to resolution. These are skills you learn via the school of hard knocks, not in academia. It comes from managerial and executive experience, and Obama was elected with neither in his background. His comfort-zone is campaigning, giving speeches. Good leaders should know how to make a good speech. But a gift for giving good speeches does not necessarily equate with strong managerial skills. Obama was totally underqualified going in, and he's taking too long to learn the job.

Neither party had to face a Congress that was so deadset against them that compromising didn't work. Reagan cut taxes once and raised taxes 19 times. Clinton cut spending in order to placate the Republicans. And yet when Obama offers to cut spending significantly in return for some tax increases and used a Republican idea for his healthcare plan (a sort of compromise in order to win bipartisanship), the GOP refused. Reagan and Clinton both had opposing parties that were willing to negotiate. Obama didn't; ask the Tea Party protesters comparing Obama to Hitler and the Senate Minority Leader who stated that his number one goal to unseat the President. Remember those days???

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Freshieee, perhaps you've forgotten just how toxic were the politics during Reagan's and Clinton's terms. Such a dynamic is nothing new. How Obama handled it early on made the critical difference this time around. First, he delegated too much to Pelosi & Reid, then the 3 of them made it clear from day one they had no intention of paying any mind to Republican considerations. A complete lockout - remember those days? Not a constructive first impression for a candidate who claimed he'd be a uniter, not a divider. Good way to make enemies, though.

Even George W was able to get budgets approved, while every Democrat (and a few Republicans) were comparing him to Hitler. But again, he'd cut his teeth as a governor, and had some experience dealing with both sides of the aisle - as simple as picking up the phone and chatting with the opposition leader, frequently, developing working relationships even when the politics don't align. According to White House insiders, Obama rarely, if ever, does that, even with those in his own party. No wonder no Senator, Republican or Democrat, voted to approve his budget...

Of course willard's negatives are up, he believes his religious leaders when they tell him if he remains obedient and keeps paying his tithing he gets to become a polygamist god in the next life. This stuff has gone to his head.

Frankly (to quote Veritas177 fr/another comments forum) I think that the failure to pass, or even seriously offer, a budget for the last two years clearly ranks Obama as the worst president of the modern era. For all the liberal complaints about him, Bush was able to pass budgets even when the opposition party controlled both chambers. Even Bush's most controversial legislation, such as the Medicare Modernization Act and the Iraq war authorization received some level of bipartisan support, whereas Obama was unable to even persuade Olympia Snowe to sign onto his "signature" healthcare reform.

When Bush became president the Clinton bubble had burst and the economy was already on its way to recession, a recession that was magnified by the terrible impact of 9/11. Later the economy under Bush was hit by hurricane Katrina and the financial meltdown. And yet there were more Americans employed at the end of Bush's administration than at the beginning, and unemployment averaged just 5.4% across his administration. Certainly Bush added terribly to the national debt, yet he managed to add less debt in eight years than Obama has in just three. Obama has offered little in terms of answers except to blame Republicans, despite the fact that his party controlled both chambers for two full years of his term.

The 2009 ARRA, passed without a single Republican vote, appropriated four times as much money in inflation adjusted dollars than the Work Project Administration, and yet has yielded annual growth a full point below the historical average. Despite being granted more resources than any administration in history, unemployment remains at 8.2% - a number that is significantly understated because so many people have left the workforce.

Obama's failure to offer any solutions to the growing Social Security and Medicare funding crisis (in fact, he has added to the problem by redirecting a half trillion dollars from Medicare to Medicaid) puts at risk the future of every American dependent on those programs, as well as the future generations who will have to try to pay the enormous debt that he has added.

This administration has undoubtedly been the most inept in recent memory, and has to be counted among the worst in history.

@Eric-913730

Republicans say that Obama has failed, yet the GDP has grown each and every quarter since he was elected.

You could put a trained chimp in the White House and the GDP would still grow. It's the rate of growth that matters. Obama has presided over the worst rate of growth in the GDP and the worst recovery from a recession since WW2. Your statement is the equivalent of giving Obama an award for participation.

A fool flatters himself, a wise man flatters the fool.
Edward G. Bulwer-Lytton

It is only April and the GOP primary isn't over yet. These polls mean nothing until the fall. Everyone calm down.

The name calling and degrading of individuals in the comment section is embarrassing (It is always the same individuals, you know who you are and so does everyone else). At least the politicians have the decency to show their face and name when they call out or degrade someone. You are all hiding behind a fake name and fake picture. Also, each year individuals claim this year’s election will be the nastiest ever...open a history book

The republicans are gearing up, they will back Romney, right about now they'd back a trained monkey if it would mean getting rid of Obama. Independents will also start backing Romney. Not because he's wonderful but rather, because anyone with half a brain can understand that Obama's policies are netting some of the highest debt in history. Not American history, the history of the planet.

OBAMA ADMITTED NOT REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.. HE Suppresses it on the grounds that its fake.. So where's your birth certificate OBAMA

Watch the trial!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OwmfisorUcc#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKJQ__W_4k&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JohAu0BR_w0

BYE BYE OBAMA

http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/200907280002

The
Definitive Birther Takedown

July 28, 2009 10:07 am ET

A growing chorus of fringe conservatives, ranging from members
of Congress to Lou Dobbs, have started echoing the "birthers'" claims
that Barack Obama's eligibility for office needs to be examined. Media
Matters Action Network decided to take up the challenge. Needless to say, we found
their evidence rather uncompelling.

MYTH: The
Certification Of Live Birth Is Not Enough Evidence To Confirm His Birth In
Hawaii

Birther Movement Claim:

Obama has NOT provided a certified copy of an original, typed,
vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering
doctor with the name of the hospital thereon, to be used to conclusively prove
one of the two key elements used in determining his "natural born"
citizenship status per the U.S. Constitution, i.e., where he was born. All he
has provided to the electorate and public to see is a digital image on the
internet of a purported copy of a short, summary, computer printed form called
a Certification of Live Birth, aka COLB, which is not a Birth Certificate. No
one in any controlling legal authority and official expert capacity has ever
been allowed to examine the purported computer made paper document displayed in
the digital images and digital pictures on the internet.
[ObamaCitizenshipFacts.org, accessed 7/27/09]

FACT: Not Only Has The Certificate Of Live Birth Been Verified
By Numerous Officials, Other Primary Source Documents Verify Contents

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and
photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of
the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims
that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted
high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents"
to this article. [Factcheck.org, 11/1/08]

But the evidence of Barack Obama's birth in Hawaii does not stop
there. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Hawaii's State Health Director, examined the
document. As reported by the Honolulu Advertiser:

So, in what likely will be a vain attempt to halt the inquiries,
Fukino yesterday issued a statement saying that she and the registrar of vital
statistics personally inspected Obama's birth certificate and found it to be
valid. . . .

Fukino issued her statement to try to stomp out persistent
rumors that Obama was not born in Honolulu - and is therefore not a U.S.
citizen and thus ineligible to run for president.

Fukino, however, repeated the Health Department's position that
state law prohibits her or any other officials from actually releasing the
birth certificate, which Obama's campaign says shows he was born in Honolulu on
Aug. 4, 1961.

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein
Obama's official birth certificate," Fukino said in the statement.
"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes¤338-18) prohibits the release of a
certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in
the vital record. ... No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever
instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any
other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i." [Honolulu
Advertiser,
11/1/08]

MYTH: Barack Obama Can
Direct The State Of Hawaii To Release His Long Form Birth Certificate

Birther Movement Claim:

The lawsuit has not been dismissed (and others, including one in
Hawaii, have been filed). But it could be quickly settled by Obama and the DNC.
All they need to do is show a certified, long form "Certificate of Live Birth" to the court. [WorldNetDaily, 10/28/08]

FACT: The State Department Of Health No Longer Issues Copies Of
Paper Birth Certificates

As reported by the Honolulu Star Bulletin:

No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth"
anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth
certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues "certifications" of live
births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the
state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in
2001.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on)
was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said. [Honolulu
Star Bulletin, 6/6/09]

MYTH: The Certificate
Of Live Birth Posted By The Obama Campaign (And Above) Is Forged

Birther Movement Claim:

Additionally, statements by Ron Polarik and private investigator
Jose Barro, showed numerous signs of forgery on the short version COLB posted
by Obama/Soetoro, and Forensic Document expert Sandra Line has issued an
affidavit that Obama's place of birth cannot be ascertained without seeing the
original birth certificate. [DefendOurFreedoms.org, accessed 7/27/09]

FACT: FactCheck.org Viewed The Original Document, Attested To
Its Authenticity

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some
time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real
and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can
assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's
stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a
signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even
brought home a few photographs. [FactCheck.org, 11/1/08]

MYTH: Foreign-Born
Children Could Acquire Hawaiian Certificates Of Live Birth (COLB)

Birther Movement Claim: According to the Orange
County Weekly:

Taitz and others say they have reason to doubt the veracity of
Obama's COLB. Forensic experts have set up web pages and signed affidavits
saying it's a forgery. There's a law on the books in Hawaii that allows
foreign-born children to obtain a Hawaiian COLB. And the information on a
late-registered COLB doesn't need to be verified by anyone; it's based solely
on the testimony of one parent. [Orange County Weekly, 6/18/09]

FACT: The Law In Question Did Not Exist Until 20 Years Later

The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs
didn't exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama's published COLB
says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961. [OC
Weekly,6/18/09]

MYTH: Obama Renounced
His Citizenship While In Indonesia

Birther Movement Claim:

The problem Obama has with that issue is whether his
step-father, who moved the family to Indonesia after marrying his mother,
legally "adopted" him or "acknowledged" him as his son in
Indonesia with the mother's concurrence, thereby renouncing his U.S.
citizenship while living in Indonesia. [ObamaCitizenshipFacts.org, accessed 7/27/09]

FACT: Barack Obama Never Renounced His Citizenship

The primary piece of evidence birthers cite to support this
claim is Barack Obama's Indonesian School Record referenced above. Line 3 of
the document does ask for Barack Obama's country of citizenship and does say
Indonesia. However, Barack Obama's parents' completion of this document does
not mean he renounced his citizenship. In fact, Title
8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part III > Section 1481
of the U.S. Code is very clear on this point:

§ 1481. Loss of
nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of
proof; presumptions

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by
birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing
any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States
nationality-

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own
application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after
having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal
declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision
thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state
if

(A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the
United States, or

(B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned
officer; or

(4)

(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a
political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he
has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or

(B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a
political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for
which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of
allegiance is required; or

(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a
diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such
form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or

(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of
nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as
may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be
in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as
not contrary to the interests of national defense; or

(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by
force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or
conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383of
title 18,
or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385of
title 18,
or violating section 2384of
title 18by
engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the
Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is
convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.

In addition, according to the State Department website:

B. ELEMENTS OF
RENUNCIATION

A person wishing to
renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to
relinquish U.S. citizenship:

1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic
officer,

2. in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or
Consulate); and

3. sign an oath of renunciation

Renunciations that do
not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. [State.gov, accessed 7/27/09;
emphasis added]

Furthermore:

Parents Cannot
Renounce U.S. Citizenship On Behalf Of Their Minor Children. Before an oath of
renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person
under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer
that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of
renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily
seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship. [State.gov, accessed 7/27/09;
emphasis added]

Update: The relevant law at the time was the 1952 Immigration
and Naturalization Act. (However the conclusions are the same.)

LOSS OF NATIONALITY BY NATIVE-BORN OR NATURALIZED CITIZEN

SEC. 349. (a) From and after the effective date of this Act a
person is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization,
shall lose his nationality by

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own
application, upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, guardian, or
duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal
custody of such person: Provided, That nationality shall not be lost by any
person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or
parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the
result of a naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one
years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such
person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence
prior to his twenty-fifth birthday:

Since a school application filled out by his parents meets none
of the above requirements, and a parent cannot renounce citizenship on behalf
of a minor, the birthers' point is moot.

MYTH: Barack Obama Is
Not Eligible To Become President Because Only One Of His Parents Is A U.S.
Citizen

Birther Movement Claim: According to the Orange
County Weekly:

Even if Obama's long-form, original birth certificate were to be
made public, though, the questions from Taitz and others wouldn't stop. There's
a second argument: that there's no way that Obama could fit the definition of a
"natural-born citizen." By turning to Swiss philosophy texts read by
the Founding Fathers, citing the infamous Scott v. Sanford Supreme Court
decision as precedent (which denied citizenship to former slave Dred Scott and
was later overturned) and disqualifying the presidency of Chester A. Arthur,
Taitz is able to claim that a baby can only be a natural-born citizen if both
parents were American citizens at the time of the baby's birth. [OC
Weekly,
6/18/09]

FACT: Barack Obama Qualifies As A Natural Born Citizen Under The
Constitution And Court Precedents

Article 1
Section 2 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the
United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to
that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and
been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

14^thAmendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of
the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

In addition,United States v.
Wong Kim Ark established the precedent in this case:

Wong Kim Ark's demand for a writ ofhabeas
corpus,
however, was granted because of his contention that he was a United States
citizen. He charged that the Collector of Customs of the Port of San Francisco
and the manager of the steamship company had deprived him of his liberty
without due process. The U.S. District Court for Northern California agreed
that Wong's Fourteenth Amendment rights had been violated. His detention was
ruled illegal and he was released.

The U.S. government appealed the writ, implicitly challenging
Wong's citizenship before the Supreme Court on 5 and 8 March 1897. Ironically,
both sides accepted most of the basic facts of Wong's life. It was agreed that
he had been born in San Francisco in 1873, while his Chinese parents were
considered permanent residents of the city. He had visited China temporarily in
1890 and had returned to San Francisco with no difficulty in passing through
customs. It was further agreed that since his birth, Wong had never had any
other place of residence except California nor had he ever claimed to be
anything other than a United States citizen. Although his parents had returned
to China in 1890, Wong worked in San Francisco, paid his taxes, and had never
participated in any criminal acts. Most significantly, the government's appeal
conceded that the Chinese Exclusion Acts under which Wong had been detained
should not apply to him if he was indeed a U.S. citizen.

A Question of
Birthright

The government claimed that Wong's parentage should determine
his citizenship. Wong's parents were subjects of the Emperor of China at the
time of his birth. Therefore, Wong was likewise a foreign subject. According to
the appeal, Wong was also Chinese by reason of his "race, language, color
and dress." Because he did not belong to any of the classes of Chinese
allowed entry under immigration rules, he was technically considered to be a
laborer and liable to the terms of the Chinese Exclusion Act.

These arguments were no more successful in Washington D.C. than
they had been in San Francisco. The Court rejected the appeal on 28 March 1898,
over a year after hearing the case. Writing for the majority, Justice Gray
noted the Constitution's deep roots in English common law. By this tradition,
all persons born within England's domain could expect protection from the King,
to whom they were expected to owe their allegiance. Gray traced the lineage of
this concept of determining citizenship by birthplace from its English origins
to standard practice in the American states.

The Court found its strongest reason for affirming Wong's
citizenship in the Fourteenth Amendment. Ratified by Congress in 1868, the
amendment was designed to grant the rights of citizenship to persons of African
descent who had been slaves prior to the Civil War. To the majority, Section I
of the amendment was unequivocal:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of
the State in which they reside.

It should be noted that the Dred Scott case cited by Taitz and
other birthers was decided in 1857,
a decade before the 14^th amendment was ratified.

MYTH: Barack Obama's
Grandmother Witnessed His Birth in Kenya

Birther Movement Claim:

The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama
demanding he prove his American citizenship - and therefore qualification to
run for president - has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from
the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birthin Kenya. . .

"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20
months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or
two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard
the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States." He
said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she
"was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961." [WorldNetDaily,October 23, 2008]

FACT: This Is A Myth Based On A Cropped Version Of An Interview
With Obama's Grandmother Sarah:

From Salon.com's War Room:

In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point
that she was there for her grandson's birth. But that was a mistake, a
confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for
further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the
mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for
download here.)

No matter, though, because people who believe in a conspiracy
theory simply hear what
they want to hear. So some Birther sites have posted transcripts
and YouTube clips that end abruptly with the mistranslation
and don't include the corrections. McRae, for his part, included the full
translation in his affidavit -- he thinks it's all just part of the conspiracy.
"Some few younger relatives, including [translator Vitalis Akech
Ogombe]," McRae wrote in his court filing, "have obviously been
versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the
American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii."

Here's the conversation:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like
to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he
was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama
was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the
place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born?
Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in
America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In
the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of
Hawaii. [Salon.com, 6/27/09]

MYTH: Obama Travelled
To Pakistan At A Time When There Was A Ban On U.S. Passport Holders Entering
That Country.

Birther Movement Claim: Obama Traveled to
Indonesia, Pakistan and India in 1981, when he was Twenty (20) Years Old on his
Indonesian Passport

Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in
1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and
Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with
Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence
Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist
the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists-from around the
world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was
on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. Citizens. [ObamaCrimes.com,
accessed 7/26/09]

FACT: No Such Ban Existed

From FactCheck.org:

But that claim is quite false. There was no such ban. Americans
traveled there without incident, as shown by a travel piece
that appeared in the New
York Times in 1981, dated June 14. Barbara Crossette,
an assistant news editor of the Times, told her mostly
American readers they could travel to Lahore, Pakistan, by air, rail or road,
adding: "Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans)
at border crossings and airports."

Her article prompted a letter to the Times from the U.S. consul
general in Lahore saying he would "welcome an influx of Americans" to
Lahore. He cautioned only that in addition to getting a visa for Pakistan,
American visitors also should be careful to line up an Indian visa for the
return trip if they planned to travel overland. The letter is dated Aug. 23,
1981.

Also, a travel advisory from the State Department dated Aug. 17,
1981 notes that Americans traveling to Pakistan require a 30-day visa, and that
any staying longer must check in with Pakistan's Foreigner Registration Office.
A digital copy of
the advisory is archived at the Electronic Research Collection,
a partnership between the State Department and the Federal Depository Library
at the University of Illinois at Chicago. [FactCheck.org, 6/5/09]

MYTH: The Military
Revoked The Deployment Papers Of A Major Scheduled To Deploy To Afghanistan
After Arguing He Should Not Be Required To Serve Under A President Who Has Not
Proven His Eligibility For Office.

Birther Movement Claim: WorldNetDaily
wrote:

A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for
deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after
arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven
his eligibility for office.

His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has
rescinded his impending deployment orders. [WorldNetDaily, 7/14/09]

FACT: Major Cook Volunteered For A One-Year Assignment In
Afghanistan In May And Only Brought His Suit In June.

Lt. Comm. William Speaks, a spokesman for Centcom stated:

"Maj. Cook volunteered for the one year assignment to
Afghanistan, in May of this year," said Speaks. "After he brought
this stuff to the fore, the unit that owned his billet canceled his
orders."

Speaks dismissed comments that Cook's attorney Orly Taitz, made
to WorldNetDaily, specifically her claim that "the military has directly
responded by saying Obama is illegitimate."

"This in no way
validates any of the outlandish claims made by Maj. Cook or his attorney,"
said Speaks. "The idea that this validates those charges about the
president's fitness for office is simply false." [Washington
Independent, 7/15/09]

wize-911967

That is Soooooooooooooo funny......LOLZ.....Yes it feels that way...

You are truly lost and in disbelief that Romney leads in some polls and ties in othere. It is a shock to you, that it could be a remote chance that this guy could be your next President. Because you are grasping for air, as are the rest of the left, you have to rely on likability. You know that is all you have. He can not run on anything else than, "Hey, Y'all like me, that's why you should vote for me".

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Obama promises:

Kept 177

Compromise 55

Broken 63

Stalled 67

In the works 144

Not rated 2

Might as well post the whole thing.

Your just plain simple minded.

Romney is the worlds biggest bull$hiter, #1 Flip Flopper & a total Phony.

Gee, who has the better track record, Obama or the GOP? The GOP and even get the gumption to work on their promises.

GOP Pledge-O-Meter Scorecard

• Promise Kept10 (18%)

• Compromise1 (2%)

• Promise Broken2 (4%)

• Stalled5 (9%)

• In the Works14 (25%)

• Not yet rated25 (44%

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/gop-pledge-o-meter/

So, for accomplishments the score is:

Obama 132

GOP 11

It's not even close.

Are you counting the GOP 'accomplishment' of deliberately turning a healthy federal budget surplus into a massive deficit? Because that wasn't an accomplishment, it was a disaster.

It is truly amazing and inspiring to see how much our President has achieved despite the fact that the Teabag Republicans took their toys, left the sandbox and refuse to play. We no longer even listen to your hateful lies and attacks on our president because we've become immune to the constant barrage of Republican lies and faux personal attacks. Now you've nominated the poster-child of lies to run against this historic president and your cynical strategy has been completely exposed for all to see. Go ahead and pretend to be all excited that Republicans have circled the Romney wagon but just know you are stuck with Richy Rich Etch-a-sketch to lead your failing party.

The greatest irony is that the Republicans had to resort to a Massachusetts Moderate (in their own words) to lead their great conservative crusade... HA, what a joke!

As people start paying attention and become more aware of the negative changes Romney and the GOP want to make in all of our lives, when they become aware of their agenda of killing Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, food stamps, early childhood education, music, art, physical education in schools, and so many others, Romney's negative image will only get worse. He will not recover.

commonsense, what you call an accomplishment, the vast majority of the American people call BS. Everything this administration has done has been a failure. He can't even get Congress to pass a federal budget, and for 2 years the Democrats had full control of the House and Senate.

When you have to rely on "likability" to get you elected, you should be in deep trouble.

To: Beverly in Chicago and to Feisty, Is this how they run Politics in Chicago? Name calling and isults. Don't get me wrong girls, I have seen some pretty dam insults from the far right also, however two wrongs do not make a right.

Why don't we have an intelligent conversation girl to girl and maybe, just maybe you might get me to vote for Our President again. Both sides have more than enough dirt and truth. let's weed out the lies and check the source that it is coming from. i.e I would not put too much wait if it comes from MSNBC (More SH@# Never Before Created).

RationalOne-674831

Not to mention the fact that Obama has failed on over 60+ promises to the American people. No wonder he always looks angry.

Where are the jobs the Republicans promised? In case you don't know they are all over seas.

Your picture justifes just how annoyed our President is with John Boehnor, the GOP/TEA PARTY. That's why I like your picture; it speaks to truth.

I like the picture too. If you look at it you'll see just irrating cry baby Boehnor is. Maybe if boenoer stopped cryin that picture you posted wouldn't apear to show how much condenmenation the President has has for a lazy, weeping, obstustionist, drunk.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEO8ek5TPjlp2DnsB6vLcv75mjE76YeBVzTgdyEST6BiKn7iAJ

Mitt Net Negative is way past due on his tax returns. About time the media starts demanding those of him.

Let's see what those good ole days at Bain Capital were like for him.

Why don't we have an intelligent conversation girl to girl

You ask for a intelligent conversation then, follow it with this?

if it comes from MSNBC (More SH@# Never Before Created

Thanks... but NO thanks!

I rather go watch ice freeze!

Politifact's rankings on Romney: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/

True statements 23

Mostly true 18

Half true 32

Mostly false 20

False 19

Pants on fire lies 13

From the latter category (Pants on fire lies):

"President Obama is ending Medicare as we know it"

"Ronald Reagan’s philosophy of "peace through strength" is why "the Iranians released the hostages on the same day and at the same hour that Reagan was sworn in.""

Says in the 2012 State of the Union address, President Obama "didn't even mention the deficit or debt."

The U.S. military is at risk of losing its "military superiority" because "our Navy is smaller than it's been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947."

"We're only inches away from no longer being a free economy."

Says Barack Obama said, "If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose."

President Obama "went around the world and apologized for America."

President Obama’s health care law "represents a government takeover of health care."

Concern Citizen-856329

To: Beverly in Chicago and to Feisty,

Is this how they run Politics in Chicago? Name calling and isults. Don't get me wrong girls, I have seen some pretty dam insults from the far right also, however two wrongs do not make a right.

No, on the contrary, it's FOX NOISE & its echo chamber that make a multiplcity of bigoted, wronged, rhechtoric, LIES, and of course name calling. What I say would be comparbale to throwing a pebble in Lake Michigan expecting to make a wave.

@RedDevPS - Looks like the GOP (4%) has a lower percentage of Broken Promises than Obama (12%), how do you figure that is a better track record?

Also, when comparing Obama's Promises Kept, some of them are downright hilarious. Give me a break!

1. Release presidential records (Fast and Furious?)
2. Attract more students to science and math (Really?? That's a "promise" kept?)
3. Improve water quality (Water quality improves regardless of who's pres.)
4. Promote cultural diplomacy (again, Really??)
5. Sign a "universal" health care bill (you mean, sign an unconstitutional "universal" mandate bill)
6. Get his daughters a puppy (Bwahahaha!)

Yet, when it comes to important things, like the economy, he's an utter failure..

1. Prevent drug companies from blocking generic drugs - FAILED
2. Expand the child and dependent care credit - FAILED
3. Allow imported prescription drugs - FAILED
4. Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center - FAILED
5. End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000 - FAILED
6. End no-bid contracts above $25,000 - FAILED
7. Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage - FAILED
8. Increase the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour - FAILED
9. Reduce earmarks to 1994 levels - FAILED

From politifact.com: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/statements/byruling/false/

Romney Statements Rated as False:

Says Barack Obama "is the only president to ever cut $500 billion from Medicare."

"The president gave the (auto) companies to the UAW."

"This president went before the United Nations and castigated Israel for building settlements. He said nothing about thousands of rockets being rained in on Israel from the Gaza Strip."

Says President Barack Obama has opened up no new trade relationships with other nations.

Eliminating "Obamacare" ... "saves $95 billion a year."

Says the National Labor Relations Board told Boeing that it couldn’t build a factory in South Carolina because South Carolina is a right-to-work state.

Repealing the health care law "would save $95 billion in 2016."

Says Barack Obama "never worked in the private sector" before he was elected president.

"This is the slowest job recovery since Hoover."

"Today there are more men and women out of work in America than there are people working in Canada."

Several times, Obama "has apologized for what he deems to be American arrogance, dismissiveness, and derision; for dictating solutions, for acting unilaterally ... ."

"I don't have lobbyists running my campaign."

"I just talked about guns. I told you what my position was, and what I did as governor, the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA."

"The Z-visa that was offered in that Senate bill let everybody who's here illegally, other than criminals, stay here for the rest of their lives."

@rational1,

You do know that most of those "fails" are things that the GOP voted against or do not like. Right?

Let me know if you guys are getting bored with this.

Romney statements rated as mostly false by politifact.com: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/statements/byruling/barely-true/

"What president has the worst record on female labor force participation? Barack Obama."

"Women account for 92.3 percent of the jobs lost under Obama."

Says Obama has failed to pass a budget.

"This president ... could have gotten crippling sanctions against Iran. He did not."

President Obama told people "to skip coming here (Las Vegas) for conventions and meetings."

"Three years ago, a newly elected President Obama told America that if Congress approved his plan to borrow nearly a trillion dollars, he would hold unemployment below 8 percent."

"More Americans have lost their jobs under Barack Obama than any president in modern history."

"We’re $15 trillion now in debt, with a president that’s racked up as much debt as almost all of the other presidents combined."

"We have, right now, Hezbollah, which is working throughout Latin America, in Venezuela, in Mexico, throughout Latin America, which poses a very significant and imminent threat to the United States of America."

President Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid support Rick Perry’s "decision to give in-state tuition to illegal immigrants."

"I don't think I've ever hired an illegal in my life."

In the early 1960s, all levels of government were "consuming about 27 percent of the U.S. economy," a number that has risen to 37 percent today. With that trendline, "we cease at some point to be a free economy."

"Federal law requires that hospitals treat people whether or not they can pay. So someone (who) doesn’t have health insurance -- they can go to the hospital and get free care."

Barack Obama "wants the government to take over health care, spend hundreds of billions of dollars of new money for health insurance for everyone."

"I saw my father march with Martin Luther King."

"No, I did not (have illegal immigrants working at his mansion)."

The Republicans have been searching far and wide to find an example of actual voter fraud, a person casting a vote in an election that shouldn't have been allowed to. They've been unsuccessful thus far, not finding a single example. If they did, we'd all know his name. Well, we finally have found one. A man who used to live in Massachusetts, moved to California, and in 2010, made a special trip back to Massachusetts to cast a vote in the special US Senate election to replace the late Ted Kennedy. When filling out his voter registration form, he put his son's unfinished basement as his place of residence. This man did not own any property in Massachusetts, and, as I said before, was residing full time in California. He's even bragged about what he did in public. The state of Massachusetts defines a place of residence for the purpose of voter registration as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life.” Anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years behind bars and a fine of $10,000.

So, who is this man?

Why it's none other than the Republican Presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.

So, Republicans of the vine, tell us why voter fraud is such a serious crime, and why those found guilty of such an act should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Then tell us why Mitt Romney is the exception.

You do know that most of those "fails" are things that the GOP voted against or do not like. Right?

First, I never said I was Republican because I am for all of those things (except Guantanamo). Second, Obama had TWO FULL YEARS with democratic majorities with a pretty much filibuster proof senate.

Here's another one that I AM FOR and laughing my head off at.

Introduce a comprehensive immigration bill in the first year - FAILED (Now he says he wants a SECOND term with a Republican majority to pass this?? ROFL)

Don't tell me about Republican obstructionism when Obama has been such an incredibly poor leader and the most divisive president in a century.

Rational,

You have an elephant trampling a donkey as your avatar, yet you say you're not a Republican?

Hmm.

If Romney's image has improved, it's because the video of him meeting with middle class Republicans in Pennsylvania has not been seen yet. Romney clearly lacks social skills and is awkward to the point it's uncomfortable to watch.

On top of that, he is unable to converse with these supporters about their concerns in regard to deep budget cuts to education, etc. and desire for tax revenue. Aside from what seems to be disinterest, Romney only nods his head and mummers "uhums" because he has NO solutions these people want to hear and he knows it.

Then we see video of the president meeting with folks who have gone through re-tooling education, and he is obviously interested, engaged, and able to talk with anyone from any walk of life. It's sincere, and you can't fake that.

Romney can't be humble, or caring, or able to interact like a normal human being if that's not who he is. This is and should be a most basic requirement for POTUS and leader of the free world.

About the lies told by Romney with so much ease as to be shameless, don't forget the most recent one about releasing tax returns. Romney said John Kerry released only two years, so that's all he will release. Kerry released 20 years of returns -- This lie is SO egregious that if Romney does not correct it, I don't see how even "RationlOne" could be good with that!

Lets change the subject back to everyones good friend Mitt......

Mitt Romney is a perfect example of how far we lag behind the Japanese in robotics technology. The Honda mark1 Romney robot is almost lifelike and is capable of repeating anything Carl Rove writes for it. However Japanese scientists have encountered a fatal flaw in the system…. they can’t get it to stop lying.

@RationalOne - nice cherry picking oh, and what a math whiz you are - nice to see you are easily fooled by graphs and percentages. When you actually have something worthwhile to discuss/debate, get back to me. I don't spend my time arguing with irrational idiots.

@BigAl - the was funny/clever!!

Exactly True Patriot,

The GOP Does not care about the education of our youth, and is doing all that it can to destroy public education. The GOP doesn't care about seniors either, and wants to keep youth and seniors from voting with their voter ID laws. They can't win honestly, so they will do their best to make sure that people will not be allowed to exercise their right to vote. They will lose this way as well.

Both of the 2 candidates, Obama & Romney.. are so bent over the bankers barrel that neither will be able to represent us as a government of the people..

We need a leader who can not be bought and will not bargain for the Presidency. RP2012

SS is on the chopping block by every single candidate but this one guy Ron. He feels we need to cut the wasteful spending overseas to repay the fund. Listen to every candidate answer from their own lips on this issue..

There is the eternal Republican myth that Obama had a filibuster-proof Senate. He always had what you guys would call DINO's (Democrats in Name Only) like Lieberman and Nelson who side with the GOP may times. Lieberman even endorsed McCain in 2008. Then Scott Brown came in (to loud calls of 41, 41 from the Republicans) and even buying off Nelson and Lieberman was not enough. Through the abuse of the Filibuster, the GOP has blocked even discussion of almost all of Obama's agenda for years. And then they have the unmitigated gall to say he failed to keep campaign promises that they prevented from coming to a vote. It does work, however. The mindless faithul that makes up their base buys it completely. The country may go to hell in a hand basket, but the GOP will stick to their strategy. Hopefully, the majority of us won't let them...

Romoney fits this profile exactly.

People from wealthy backgrounds are more likely than poorer people to break laws while driving, take lollies from children, and lie for financial gain, a United States study says.

The seven-part study by psychologists at the University of California Berkeley and the University of Toronto analysed people’s behaviour through a series of experiments.

For instance, drivers of expensive vehicles were observed to be more likely to break the rules at four-way intersections, and were more likely to cut off pedestrians trying to cross the street than drivers of cheaper cars.

In another test using a game of dice, given the opportunity to win a prize, people who self-reported high socio-economic status were more likely than the rest to lie and say that they had rolled higher numbers than they actually had.

“Even in people for whom $50 is a relatively small amount of money, cheating was three times as high,” said lead author Paul Piff of UC Berkeley.

“It really shows the extreme lengths to which wealth and upper-rank status in society can shape patterns of self-interest and unethicality.”

People with higher status were also less likely to tell the truth in a hypothetical job negotiation in which they were the employer trying to hire someone for a job they knew was soon to be eliminated.

You have an elephant trampling a donkey as your avatar, yet you say you're not a Republican?

My political ideas don't fit too nicely in the Republican camp, but I am extremely anti-Obama. (I didn't like Bush, either, btw.) Obama has been an extremely divisive president with a "my way or the highway" attitude. I know Obama WON'T work with Republicans. PERIOD. Therefore, Obama is an ineffective leader who can't get squat done.

Mitt Romney, on the other hand, IS a leader who can get things done. I know Romney WILL work with Democrats, he has done it in the past in Mass.

As such, my elephant trampling the donkey expresses my desire to squash out democrats who are do nothing obstructionists and are harming our country (including Obama). The democrats in the senate haven't even proposed a budget, much less tried to pass one (and all it takes is 51 votes, not 60).

"Then we see video of the president meeting with folks who have gone through re-tooling education, and he is obviously interested, engaged, and able to talk with anyone from any walk of life. It's sincere, and you can't fake that."

LOL! yes there is no person, especially not a politician, that can seem friendly about a wide range of subjects regardless of whether he actually knows/cares about said subject. it is sad when the type of leader we want is a pretty face with pretty words, and to hell with all the important stuff.

@Suzq... Again, another reason to vote for Ron Paul.. He was a pro ball player for the Astro's but his level head stayed in medicine.. He volunteered to serve the military in war.. He has been busy the rest of his life working for women delivering baby's at the rate of nearly one a day.. He goes above and beyond all this to serve an EXTRA duty in office.. SERVING the PEOPLE... Door closed for 40 years to the corrupt lobby's of cash.. His total wealth is a little over a million bucks saved... Lets please stop supporting rich career politicians like Obama or rich investment brokers like Romney to lead the country.. How is that even in the American peoples intrest and who would want to do it? Why?

Here is the proof rational1: http://www.ourfuture.org/fact-sheets-briefs/record-breaking-republican-obstructionism

Most obstructionist Congress of all time - Republicans!

and: http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/republicans-unprecedented-obstructionism-by-numbers

"Even before Barack Obama took the oath office, Republicans leaders, conservative think-tanks and right-wing pundits were calling for total obstruction of the new president's agenda. Bill Kristol, who helped block Bill Clinton's health care reform attempt in 1993, called for history to repeat on the Obama stimulus - and everything else. Pointing with pride to the Clinton economic program which received exactly zero GOP votes in either House, Kristol in January 2009 advised:

"That it made, that it made it so much easier to then defeat his health care initiative. So, it's very important for Republicans who think they're going to have to fight later on health care, fight later on maybe on some of the bank bailout legislation, fight later on on all kinds of issues.""

Rational -- You need help with reasoning. Really.

Mitt Romney, on the other hand, IS a leader who can get things done. I know Romney WILL work with Democrats, he has done it in the past in Mass.

As such, my elephant trampling the donkey expresses my desire to squash out democrats who are do nothingobstructionists and are harming our country (including Obama). The democrats in the senate haven't evenproposed a budget, much less tried to pass one (and all it takes is 51 votes, not 60).

Back then, he didn't have a Republican party that raged against compromise and negotiation. That, and Massachusetts was a LIBERAL state with a DEMOCRATIC Legislation. If Romney wins he will most likely have a GOP Congress, and so he won't have to compromise.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Eric - Great Posts! You know, of course, that they won't pay any attention. They hate Obama and even if Jesus himself came back and had a news conference with Obama and endorsed him - they wouldn't believe it!

@Eric-913730 - How much of an idiot do you have to be to post "proof" from the two years before Obama took office? Your first link was for the 110th Congress was while BUSH was pres!!! duh!

In 2009-10 Obama had a large majority in Congress, and 59/100 in the Senate. All he had to do was reach out to ONE Moderate Republican... Just ONE, and he had a filibuster proof Senate. He couldn't reach across the aisle, instead dividing congress and dividing America. That's a FAIL, with a capital 'F'!

@commonsense....

Are you counting the GOP 'accomplishment' of deliberately turning a healthy federal budget surplus into a massive deficit? Because that wasn't an accomplishment, it was a disaster.

OMG, after 11 years I can't believe there are STILL people stupid enough to believe Clinton actually had a surplus. LOL!!!!

Actually, backcountry, Clinton had a surplus even while counting SS. Check FactCheck.org...

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

@Freshieee

Actually, backcountry, Clinton had a surplus even while counting SS. Check FactCheck.org...

LOL! The report on Factcheck is based ENTIRELY on data from the CBO. Well, this may come as a shock to you but the CBO is required to follow certain rules and guidelines. And who do you suppose makes those guidelines? That's right, congress. The very people that are using CBO estimates and analysis to sell us all a bill of goods. For example, it was the CBO that estimated Obamacare would cost 900 billion. They knew it wasn't true but the rules say you have to do an annual average based on a 10 year projection and the fact that Obamacare wasn't even going to start taking effect for another 3+years could not be taken into consideration. Now that some parts of the plan are starting to take effect the new 10 year projection is 1.6 trillion and independent analysis of the final cost when it is fully implemented is over 2 trillion.

Clinton ran a deficit every year he was in office. It wasn't just the SS fund he robbed money from. It was also the Civil Service retirement fund and close to a dozen other places. The Treasury Department tracks the National debt, it increased EVERY YEAR under Clinton. Can't have an actual surplus if the debt is still increasing now can you?

Politico also references Romney and McCain using the term tar baby as well in the past. Funny how they don't mention any of the Democrats that have used the Alice in Wonderland phrase.

"Funny how they don't mention any of the Democrats that have used the Alice in Wonderland phrase."

Possibly because it doesn't come from Alice In Wonderland"? Try B'rer Rabbit in the Uncle Remus stories.

I suppose Bachmann, like Romney and McCain before her, will claim innocence and that she was completely unaware the term had ever been used as a racial slur.

Which doesn't make them racists, it just makes them awfully uneducated. Whatever.....

Way to keep it classy Beverly....Truly post-racial

@WCA:

What did she say now?

Wow,

Take some Midol.

Ruken:

"Rep. Michele Bachmann on Wednesday slammed President Barack Obama’s plan to quell rising gas prices, saying he’s “waving a tar baby in the air” to distract from the price at the pump."

And since I wouldn't want to be accused of using a "lamesteam liberal" media source, how about we go with The Blaze instead? They have the video clip, which also includes her calling the President of the United States "infantile" and a "complete and utter fraud and hypocrite".

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/bachmann-obama-waving-a-tar-baby-in-the-air-with-oil-crackdown/

But hey, other than all that, I understand she's a big fan.....

includes her calling the President of the United States "infantile" and a "complete and utter fraud and hypocrite".

And how is that not an accurate assessment?

WCA - What's news about Bachmann say something stupid? Anytime she opens her mouth, stupid flows out like a fire hose.

Knock it off Reb. If you don't like what Beverly posts, don't read it.

I remember my favorite aunt saying "when you point the finger at someone, there are three more pointing RIGHT back at you".

White Collar Auto

First Read Story on Michelle Bachmann stupid comment in 3,2,1........

How about the self loathing Michelle Malkin negroid looking making Philloppina making a job about the president eating a dog???

Duhhh,

Dog is a delicacy in the Philippines. Since she is happy to lick KKKanity's boots, she'll say and do anything to be accepted in the White community; including denouncing immigration and anchor babies; which she just so happens to be.

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Mmm, mmm, mmm: Best Obama dog recipes; Update: Audio added

By Michelle Malkin

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/04/17/mmm-mmm-mmm-best-obama-dog-recipes/

I find her self-loathing comments laugable. She is one bytche this planet could do without.

Spot on!!

Collasped by the deniers of truth crowd

Beverly in Chicago Comment collapsed by the community

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First Read Story on Michelle Bachmann stupid comment in 3,2,1........

How about the self loathing Michelle Malkin negroid looking making Philloppina making a job about the president eating a dog???

Duhhh,

Dog is a delicacy in the Philippines. Since she is happy to lick KKKanity's boots, she'll say and do anything to be accepted in the White community; including denouncing immigration and anchor babies; which she just so happens to be.

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Mmm, mmm, mmm: Best Obama dog recipes; Update: Audio added

By Michelle Malkin

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/04/17/mmm-mmm-mmm-best-obama-dog-recipes/

I find her self-loathing comments laugable. She is one bytche this planet could do without

Minan59

Spot on!!

It also proves how much she hates herself and her culture. Truly denial is so emblematic of the Tea Party, the GOP candidates and the GOP.

Minan59

Spot on!!

It also proves how much she hates herself and her culture. Truly denial is so emblematic of the Tea Party, the GOP candidates and the GOP.

Sorry, for the double post. First read posting was acting up.

Really Beverly? Please put a cork in it!

watt75

Really Beverly? Please put a cork in it!

Freak

Beverly... I agree with most of what you say however...Dog is NOT a delicacy in the Philippines...It is in Korea..

Libs are truly in desperation mode.

Beverly in Chicago.... you're posts show that you are one of the most sorry az women I've EVER had the displeasure of reading.... Join hands with your sinister sister, that Fisty Redhead ... You two make a good couple. Have you considered dating?

I'm not so much concerned with the fact he is a stuffy, rigid, liar as I am with the fact his highest priority is protecting the rich folks, and their entitlements, and not with expanding the middleclass.

And why won't he release his tax returns, the same returns he gave the McCain campaign when they were vetting him for VP in 2008? Shouldn't the American people have the chance to vet Romney as much as the McCain camp did?

I'd like to see as many of Romney's tax returns as he makes his VP candidates disclose---seems fair to me. Why is he refusing to release them? What is he hiding? And since he has known he was running for President for at least 5 years, why didn't he simplify his finances so that the 2011 return could be filed on time? Why didn't he move his money onshore, if only for the optics?

Seems to me that Mitt has a vested interest in elimination of the estate tax, as well. Of course we don't know how much he would save since he only discloses ranges of values.

He even lies about his dog. If a guy lies about his dog, he'll lie about anything.

Amy -- Romney has something to hide. Count on it. Otherwise why not release the tax returns? As far as vetting the man, that's next to impossible because he is on record taking every side of an issue. Again the only thing that comes to mind with Romney is the word LIAR. It's that word association thing for me. ; )

My biggest complaint is that he is Mormon. Having lived in Utah for more than 10 years as a Christian (one who believes in the cross) the whole country will be in for a rude awakening if Mitt is elected.

OBAMA LIES about EVERYTHING! And the sheeple libbies slop it up like melted ice cream!

Not to be Debbie Downer, but Ross Perot endorsed Mitt Romney in 2008.

Ross is one of the 1% too. What do you expect???

Totally agree Omega----typical rightwing looney. Just give 'em all the weaknesses because that's what they love to hear. Never mind about all he's accomplished.

Omega,

You just admitted this was a liberal, left wing blog by telling me to go to a right wing blog. I am not a right winger by no stretch of the imagination as I voted for Mr. Obama last time. It is obvious that you are a total left wing nut as shown by your response. I watch and read several outlets. It just is amazing to me that anytime this particular one has anything that might be negative about the Pres. we are not allowed to comment.

So before you jump out and say something next time think before you do. Or is thinking something you are not very good at!

dogs80, not every article can be grouped as either a "left wing blog" or a "right wing blog." The fact that Omega told you to go to one of the "right wing rags" does not mean she is admitting anything about this article except that MSNBC is not right wing. That doesn't mean they are automatically left wing either, and given the fact that the headline of this article is that Romney's approval ratings are up, it's not the best time to bring up the "liberal elite" media.

While I would never argue against the point that MSNBC is left of center, telling someone who uses this vine as a soap box to b!tch about Obama to take it to Townhall.com is not an admission of anything about this site. And more to the point, she's right. Right wingers just can't resist the urge to slam Obama (leaving out anything positive even though there is plenty of negative and positive no matter what Rush tells you) at any opportunity, even below an article that has nothing to do with him and, in fact, praises the GOP nominee. They can't help themselves. Liberals were bad with this when it came to GWB but conservatives have taken it to a whole new level.

Dogs,

Her point was that this article is about Romney, not Obama.

When is someone not allowed to comment? You obviously did so just fine. Anyone can comment. If enough people don't like it, you get collapsed (which I think is crap, there should be a thumbs down option).

And, sorry, "Duh" to your left wing blog comment. It's not news that msnbc has a leftist slant; just like Fox has a rightist slant. Scratch that, there's no slant with either, they just are that way. Although, for this particular article, I don't think it can be classified that way; it's posting the results of a joint nbc/wsj poll.

Finally, can we all please quit the venemous rhetoric and have some damned civil discourse? These discussions are too important to be screaming at each other to the point that no one hears anything other than noise.

Good day to you all.

@ jdp - who wrote- "If enough people don't like it, you get collapsed (which I think is crap, there should be a thumbs down option)."

my god, i agree with a republickan. The administrators and moderators of this site should be romneyized, i.e., fired. The software used to collapse comments will collapse the most innocuous of comments from both left and right wingers. It can be calibrated not to do that, or it can be replaced. And should have been, quite a while ago. And, although I don't know if anyone here is doing it, that software can also be gamed, just like any click response can be gamed.

bi-partisanship lives! the dream shall never die.

@ Jim,

I hate to burst your bubble, but I'm 85% progressive. Being raised by an Air Force brat corrupted the other 15% ;)

But please don't let that take away from anything I said. I stand by it all! :)

It really is the silly season. I'm starting to wonder if the American people are qualified for the democratic process anymore.

It amazes me how caught up the pollsters and pundits get on the issues and whether a particular gaffe or prior inconsistent statement will have an impact. Fast forward to the election itself and ask people why they voted the way they did and you will get some of the dumbest, most idiotic reasons. He's a natural leader. He's engaging. He has good family values. All of which are nice traits for a person to have but really have zero bearing on whether someone would make a good president.

I knew a girl in college who voted for GWB and then told me she did because she"thought he was cute." Maybe an IQ test is needed to register to vote. As George Carlin said, "Everyone gets a vote. That's the problem."

Texas.... there's a big difference between messing up the primary and messing up the Country..... and that's just what this incompetent illegal alien fraud faux President has done over the past 3 1/2 years.

well, bob, could you explain to us exactly the process by which you reached the decision that the president is an "incompetent illegal alien fraud faux"?

It would be facsinating. I am thinking it was very complex, like:

Step 1. Turning on the TV.

Step 2.

Step 3. Profit

What's with these people named Bob ?

Wow brain dead or what.

Obama/Biden 2012

How could you say such things!!! The extended guitar breaks in stranglehold are great!

But in everything else, you're right.

and about all you know about anything, fan is what you glean from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette Sports pages ( the Enclopedia Britania of Pittsburgh Pa. )

Wow, bob---what a retort. You really are a clever guy.

Steeler fan,

please, please go with the "Seamus story" . That will really convince a lot of people, really...on Planet Moonbat.

The Republicans have been searching far and wide to find an example of actual voter fraud, a person casting a vote in an election that shouldn't have been allowed to. They've been unsuccessful thus far, not finding a single example. If they did, we'd all know his name. Well, we finally have found one. A man who used to live in Massachusetts, moved to California, and in 2010, made a special trip back to Massachusetts to cast a vote in the special US Senate election to replace the late Ted Kennedy. When filling out his voter registration form, he put his son's unfinished basement as his place of residence. This man did not own any property in Massachusetts, and, as I said before, was residing full time in California. He's even bragged about what he did in public. The state of Massachusetts defines a place of residence for the purpose of voter registration as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life.” Anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years behind bars and a fine of $10,000.

So, who is this man?

Why it's none other than the Republican Presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.

So, Republicans of the vine, tell us why voter fraud is such a serious crime, and why those found guilty of such an act should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Then tell us why Mitt Romney is the exception.

I tell ya, you can't make this stuff up.

the Pittsburgh Post Gazette Sports pages ( the Enclopedia Britania of Pittsburgh Pa. )

I'm not sure what you were trying to say here but I am pretty sure you failed!

Bob in Va.----I think the Seamus story tells us something about Mitt's character. You obviously disagree, as is your right. Seems to me the folks on the right are very defensive over the whole incident so that makes me wonder if you all don't see it as problematic as well.

Steeler Fan - bob probably lives in Tampa and is jealous of the Stellers. Pay no attention. I agree with you about Seamus. Ann Romney thinks he enjoyed it. Good thing they had a station wagon or one of the kids might have ended up there with the dog.

Bob in Virginia-5210392

Steeler fan,

please, please go with the "Seamus story" . That will really convince a lot of people, really...on Planet Moonbat.

Well, it does convince millions of dog owners to take a second look at Romney's character...

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

George, why do you folks on the left hate Free Speech so much?

When I see a video of Romney puching Ted Nugent in the mouth, I'll consider voting for him

How can anyone except a moron liberal vote for the imbecile that lost jobs after spending 5 trillion taxpayer dollars to create them, lowered the Credit Rating for America for the first time in its history, and raised the price of gasoline from 1.83 per gallon to over 4.00 per gallon in only three and a half years of his first miserable term???? Barack Oblumbles......YOU'RE FIRED!!!!!

GEORGE: Yes, especially after a week long rant of phoney outrage over the Hillary Rosen comment which the Right jumped all over and acted as though all Motherhood had been victimized.

But it's perfectly acceptable for this headcase, gun nut to spout some really vile stuff. And it's hardly the first time he has done so. This was not an aberation. Of course, all the NRA imbeciles in the audience though it was a heroic & patriotic speach.

GEORGE: You mean like last week's crucification of Hillary Rosen for saying far, far les than this goon Nuget did? Don't hand me the free speach lecture. You're not allowed to threaten people and incite rioting.

HEY BOB: Sorry buddy, you can't go pinning our credit rating on Democrats.

Standard and Poor were very clear in their report. They pointed specifically to the Tea Tards causing uncertainty in the market. They spelled this out in detail. Go read the report for yourself if FACTS interest you. Knowing the Right however, facts count for little.

@Bob: Your facts are all screwed up. I find it so disturbing that so many Americans lack the critical thinking skills to accurately understand what is what. America is in the mess it is precisely because of this failure in our education system. It means that our corporations have given up on the people for anything else but consuming the goods they produce. So our jobs have been sent to China where the people are smart, hard working, and conscientious.

And to top it all off, if you think that the president can raise and lower the price of gasoline, then you neither understand nor want a free market economy. And that, my friend, shows that even the principles upon which you seem to vote are not well understood. I am guessing you would welcome the government setting the prices for goods and services. So maybe you should spend some time to get your thought unjumbled and go and learn a few things about what is fact and what is fiction.

ozzie, Not supposed to incite murder, either. Which is what the washed up rocker was was doing. And has done before.

BTW, did Mittsy's wife ever work? Has she attained what Mittsy said was so necessary for poor single mothers, the dignity of work? Yes! She gave instructions to a nanny, or perhaps nannies! On the other hand, she didn't need to work, for Ladies of Wealth have an inherent dignity granted by god republickans and no one else.

Ozzy,

At least we are not putting bounties on people. You are a hypocrite. Ted Nugget said nothing other than the truth (in his own way). As the progressive you are, you should salute him, just like left cheered the OWS crowd that defecated on police cars and assaulted women.

Poor ole Bob numbers, still can't the facts right.

Bob don't you get it yet....

plethora bad news not Obama's fault

very rare occasions of good news all Obama's doing.

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George, why do you folks on the left hate Free Speech so much?

And why do you folks on the right hate gay people and women???

Sorry Bob, the bad news come from the Obama Administration agencies. Like the Labor Department, Commerce Department, etc. What concerns the immage I agree Obama looks and bs's much better than Romney. The Americans made ones a mistake to elect a guy, who is better looking (I would rather prefer Ms. Clinton) and without any experience. I hope they will not repeat the misstake.

LOL, he reminds me of a stiff lifesize poster of a man you might see at a bank, had outstretched as if he was actually happy to meet you. He has the fake smile to make a good model for such a poster and enough money in the bank to be the bank itself. Maybe next year when he has nothing to do he might look into being a model of stiff lifesize posters.

GCV,

dude, you nailed it. I was wondering what he reminded me of. Actually I thought he looked like that guy Bob in the male enhancement commercials

arizonatime your about as intelligent as a "Piece of Horsecrap"! That also paints a good image of you!

That video of Romney listening to hand-picked Republicans was downright painful. He clearly did not want to associate with them, and the moment they said that sometimes taxes have to go up, his face was frozen with terror.

Reagan was a traitor to his union. He sold them out for money.

Reagan was a corporate shill, a paid pitchman for the company that had been sued and penalized more often than any other for overcharging the government on its contracts.

Once president, Reagan was a criminal who broke the law and betrayed his oath of office.

Yeah, but he served for eight years and handed another term to his VP. Sounds like what is about to happen after four years of Barack Carter.

And the bushes gave us the great Clinton and so-so Hussein!

Sounds about even

O'Connor and Kennedy were/are swing votes. But the fact remains, Supreme Court Justices don't always vote the way the President expects them to. George H. W. Bush appointed Souter thinking he would be conservative, and he turned out fairly liberal.

What is most charming about the neo-fascists in America is that they welcome lies and care only for power. Reagan, who set the country on a course of decline, is perfect because he won two terms.

You have an uncle like that? Poor you. It says something about your family for inviting such a jerk over for Thanksgiving.

Your just jealous that you are a loser.

Or voting for such a jerk for president. And no its not my uncle, they are long dead. arizonatime =childish.

Just don't send your dog over to the Obamas for Christmas dinner...

Bob,

Your dog would be in a lot more danger at the Romney residence, especially if they decide to go for a drive.

Speaking of going for a drive, my invitation for you to take a drive to my house on November 6th to watch the election coverage still stands. At the very least, could you send me a picture of the look on your face when the networks announce that they're once again calling Virginia for President Obama?

That stuff about Obama and the dog is made up BS.

Speaking of going for a drive, my invitation for you to take a drive to my house on November 6th to watch the election coverage still stands

LOL!

I woulnd't hold your breath - the 'ankle bracelet' doesn't allow him to leave his trailer!

TOP DOG: Correct. Those people were hand picked, they were not Democratic plants. And Willard just sat there, nodding his head. Did you notice he did not respond to the matter of taxes?

Romney is a complete tightass, who only feels comfortable around uber rich folks like the horsey people his wife rubs elbows with. Of course, I'm sure you know lot's of folks with Dressage Horses. LOL

top dog---this was after Romney started off by saying that the cookies they were serving didn't look homemade. As if that would make a difference.

My view of the election process is that candidates from both parties have a tendency to spit out talking points and be scripted. To know the real person you need to see them in unguarded, unscripted moments. The one at the picnic table showed the true Romney.

How difficult is it to appear to be comfortable speaking in front of the lazy, dependent, loser types that will listen to him and frequent posts from the likes of NBC, MSNBC and the rest. You morally handicapped beggers will just sit there and wait for your free handout. How about getting a job and contributing to the society? With the grace of God, we will elect a new President that has the interest of the country, not the unions, losers, and lazy beggers. The people who understand freedom will elect a president for the future, not for history like the last election. We gave him a chance and he is obviously way over his head and possesses an obvious agenda to convert our great country to SOCIALISM. WAKE-UP!!!!

Not to mention he complained about the cookies being from 7-11 lol

You morally handicapped beggers will just sit there and wait for your free handout. How about getting a job and contributing to the society?

Ughh, I don't take a free handout. I plan to go to college and work in business; if financial aid for college is a free handout, then I'll gladly take, with the price of college going up and all.

With the grace of God, we will elect a new President that has the interest of the country, not the unions, losers, and lazy beggers.

Oh, so one who has the back of corporate shills and plans to tax poor people more and give millionaires more breaks has the interest of the entire country??? I'd rather take a union-backer than a corporate shill like Romney...

The people who understand freedom will elect a president for the future, not for history like the last election. We gave him a chance and he is obviously way over his head and possesses an obvious agenda to convert our great country to SOCIALISM. WAKE-UP!!!!

I didn't vote for Obama to make history; I felt he had better views and policies, and I still do. Check the stocks and the economy to see the improvement made by Obama. We gave him a chance, and he did pretty well considering the challenges facing him. And what part of Obama's policy is socialist??? Obamacare isn't, because it forces people to buy private insurance. Bailing out the auto industry was necessary; Wall Street didn't have the capital to do it (that's what happens in a recession), and if they did they wouldn't risk it on companies that had been bleeding money since 2006. And I personally think a healthy dose of socialism will greatly help this country.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

I don't think I could vote for Ann Romney. Any women that would marry someone who would ban them from the wedding isn't high on my list. My parents would have come first, not good ole Mormon boy.