In memorandum of Seamus the Irish Setter;

DIANE SAWYER:You said it was the most wounding thing in the campaign --

ANN ROMNEY:It's crazy.

DIANE SAWYER: -- so far.

ANN ROMNEY: The dog loved it. The dog was, like --

DIANE SAWYER: But the dog got sick, right?

ANN ROMNEY: Once, he -- we traveled all the time and he -- he ate the turkey on the
counter. I mean, he had the runs. But -- he would see that crate and, you know,
he would, like, go crazy because he was going with us on vacation. It was to me
a kinder thing to bring him along than to leave him in the kennel for t -- in
-- in -- in a kennel for two weeks, so.

Wrong again Ann – the kinder thing to do would have been to put the dog in the car…

And if the car wasn’t big enough, it wasn’t like you & Willard couldn’t of purchased one that could accommodate the entire family which includes your PETS!

Good Gawd!

These two can build elevators for their autos, but can't comprehend basic compassion for their pets!

How much more out of touch can Mr. & Mrs. Thurston Howell III be???

The Wooden Man Can't Win on the Issues:

Paul Ryan dredged-up his previous budget which destroys Medicare as we know it and substituted it with a voucher system that provides considerably less coverage than what Medicare presently provides. The House Republicans supported the Ryan Budget by voting for it and Willard embraced it with open arms.

The April 2012 AARP Bulletin reports a study that 94% of the people aged 65+ believe Medicare is very important to people's health. It also reports that 89% of the people between the ages of 50 to 64 believe that Medicare is important to people's health. And 85% of the people between the ages of 18 and 49 believe Medicare is important to people's health.

With regard to Social Security the numbers are similar: 93% of the 65+ respondents say Social Security is very important to people's financial security; 89% of those aged 50 to 64 believe Social Security is very important; and 78% of respondents between the ages of 18 to 49 believe Social Security is very important to people's financial security.

Representative Ryan and wooden Willard are supporting a platform that would destroy Americans' safety net. Now how dumb is that! Right now Romney is trying to win back the support of independent women who care about their reproductive rights and their economic security. He is also losing the battle when it comes to middle-class family economics. Since he can't win on the issues, his only alternative is to lie, lie some more, create diversion, give vague answers, avoid all real issues, and rip and tear at Obama.

So I ask you Willard, what SPECIFIC issues favoring women and the middle class do you support? Pause…Ron, "I'll get back to you on that".

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Regardless of who you favor who do believe will win: Obama 61%, Romney 35%
Mitt Romney has a lot of catching up to do.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/04/16/rel4a.pdf

Great post Dennis

Perhaps Wiilard "Myth" Romney might not find those numbers so laughable??? To be honest. this is one time that horrendous nervous laugh of his just may make me smile. Usually, it is very irritating to me because it's so FAKE!!!

This handful proved to be too much for her husband, a man who provided the model for Joe Walsh (R-Deadbeat Dad).

Speaking of the Dead-Beat Daddy - check out the latest stunt he pulled;

Last Friday, Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) challenged his Democratic opponent — Iraq war veteran Tammy Duckworth — to a debate. Walsh posted an announcement on his campaign website which stated that the congressman would be hosting a town hall on Sunday, and that he “has invited his opponent Tammy Duckworth to join him because he believes the voters deserve to have the ability to directly compare their competing views on the issues.”

Unfortunately, she was unable to attend. Why? Because Duckworth, who serves in the Army National Guard, was on duty this past weekend. As VoteVets told ThinkProgress, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Duckworth was legally prohibited from appearing at any campaign events while on duty. VoteVets Chairman Jon Soltz issued the following statement:

Joe Walsh just cannot stop trying to use Tammy Duckworth’s service against her, and he needs to stop, now. Whether or not his campaign was aware of her Army obligations, he now is, and should immediately apologize for this stunt. We should be thankful for the service of all of our troops, not use their time in uniform as an opportunity to play a political stunt.

The Duckworth campaign has made clear that it would like to hold a series of debates with Walsh.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/04/16/465202/joe-walsh-challenges-duckworth-to-a-debate-at-the-same-time-she-was-serving-army-duty/

Appears Joey has issues with veterans, especially those who gave TWO legs to this Country as well...

So True all. Willard and Ann in the White House would be the BIGGEST mishap that could ever happen to this country.

Dennis: Excellent post. You are on top of the facts.

Hi Feisty,

I want so badly to see that worthless piece of garbage, Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) voted out.

In the liberal mind, Obama is the only choice. Might I remind liberals that democrats are only 1/3 of the voting public. They forget there is another 2/3's of voters that have as much a stake in this election as they do.

Actually, you're really only fighting for 10% of the electorate that swings the vote.

Did you all see this comment by Ted Nugent?

Think Progress:

Musician and conservative activist Ted Nugent made an appearance at the NRA’s annual convention last weekend, and during an interview laced with violent rhetoric, he said that if President Obama wins reelection in November, he would “either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

No matter how “sane” todays GOP try to sound, they can’t pull it off. No more. And that includes the GOP pundits and wishy washy journalists who want a “fair and balanced” debate. It’s BS. Today’s GOP is hateful and violent.

Why would anyone want to be associated with this party?

Romney. He and his wife were at the NRA last week and all we heard about was her saying women should be respected for their choices. Tell me. Why did not Nugent’s comments get the same coverage? Romney and his wife WERE JUST AT THE NRA! Why isn’t Romney and the GOP being held responsible for these comments?

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Btw, Chris Matthews was a disgrace when questioning President Obama last weekend on a world stage.

Mediaite: MSNBC's Chris Matthews was the moderator and, in his usual bumbling fashion, made an inartful comment that was quite insulting to the President of Brazil. President Obama diplomatically came to the rescue and essentially explained to his host that certain American pundits are trouble makers.

Would you like to answer, Mr. President? It appears to me that there is a certain enthusiasm… the goal that the President [of Brazil] just brought out, is the notion that Latin America doesn’t want to be a complementary economy in the agricultural and industrial aspects. They give us prime materials and we perfect them. How do you respond to Brazil’s demands to be partners and rivals? They want to use our educational resources and want to know how to compete with us– isn’t this so, Madam President? They want to be equals; they want to speak one-on-one, learn everything we know and then return it. What is your response, President Obama?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I don’t know if that is what President Roussef said, but this is what happens when commentators from the United States here as moderators [try to pull a fast one on us]. [Laughter] Chris is one of the best, of course, doing this. But look, this is already happening, it is a reality. Brazil has changed, Colombia has changed, and we welcome that change. The notion that we see this as a problem is a mistake because if we have a prosperous middle class in Latin America, those are new clients for us. We do want… Brazil is growing, and that is a vast opportunity.

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You would think after all these freakin’ years Matthews would have a clue how to behave on a world stage.

Dennis, I'd say, from the answers on the CNN poll, Romney has a much bigger problem with women than any other group. Those results are jaw dropping. Even I was surprised at the gulf between men and women in this poll. Men support Obama's reelection, but woman REALLY support Obama's reelection.

Percentage of women polled who said:

Can get the economy moving

49% Obama, 38% Romney

Agrees with you on the issues that matter most to you

54% Obama, 33% Romney

Is in touch with the problems facing middle class Americans today

54% Obama, 28% Romney

Can handle the responsibilities of Commander in chief

58% Obama, 32% Romney

Is a strong and decisive leader

54% Obama, 30% Romney

Is likeable

58% Obama, 26% Romney

Is a person you admire

53% Obama, 22% Romney

Pays the right amount of attention to independents and moderates in this country

How much more out of touch can Mr. & Mrs. Thurston Howell III be???

I like that Feisty. I also like their "How much more out of touch can Mr. & Mrs. Thurston Howell III be" comments about the President can start packing and Ann's comment and this is a jewel "it's our turn" talk about two people who think their entitled to the Presidency. WOW!!!!!!!!

Hey tea people Koch republicans, it's not that we don't like rich people, it's we don't like rich people like Mitt and Ann Romney who look down on the rest of us.

Pays the right amount of attention to independents and moderates in this country

55% Obama 26% Romney

Brianb:

Why don't you do us all a favor and give us some insight into your world of labels? What is a conservative? What is a liberal?

I don't need a dictionary definition. I know what the dictionary says. However, apparently either you don't know or don't care. To hell with Noah Webster. Why don't you let us know what a REAL "liberal" is, and what a REAL "conservative" is?

David -- Very nice tribute and great job stating a few facts about Romney and Co.

Pat in Boston -- Chilling to say the least.

Sure. Obama had a great marketing campaign going until his good friend and White House Democratic operative Hilary Rosen stepped in it and told the nations stay-at-home moms that they just are not worthy

Snuffy - have another cup of coffee before you start one of your legendary, misleading tirades...

The poll was taken AFTER Hillary's rather accurate comment and it has cost Willard another 9 POINTS with women! lol

Watching that interview with Diane Sawyer, I couldn't help but think, these two fluffed and buffed individuals, want nothing more than to be in the WH. Not to try to make a difference, but just to be there, they really feel entitled, as the Lady Ann, said its Mitt's turn now. Really, you think those polls are not telling you something, no matter how much you want it, no matter how many lies you tell or how much money you and your rich buddies spend, you still can't make people like and respect you.

And guess what, it is not how rich you are, it is that both of you are not nice people, you have no interest in me or others like me. You have no idea of how we live or how we may have struggled, and how proud we are of our achievements and that of our families. You simply cannot relate to so many people, who look at you and see what you are, two very shallow individuals who have a lot of money that helps make their lives different than ours.

Romney even said the GOP should offer something like a “Republican DREAM Act” to help woo Latinos. But there’s a challenge here for Romney, and it’s the same one Meg Whitman faced in 2010: How do you move back to center on immigration after running so hard to the right during the primary?

Romney is nothing but an establishment politician, just as O'bama. Expect nothing from either of the two. Political theater without real results is the only thing we will see from now on, until the debt catches up with us and destroys us. Enjoy your lives as best you can, live for the present, because the future is gone.

I want so badly to see that worthless piece of garbage, Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) voted out.

Job1,

I'm doing everything I can to make sure of it! ☺

Dennis, Feisty, Ron, David Walker. Top o' the morning to some terrific reading this morning.

The polls reflect Mitt Romney's problem which I will add is a self-inflicted one gained by pandering to the far right conservatives who are now representative of what the GOP is--the moderates are gone, those few remaining will be primaried in hopes of becoming a "pure party".

Ann Romney lost a notch on the respect meter the past few weeks. Her interview about Seamus says she can never question her husband's decision and must defend it instead of simply saying "that was dumb" and we never did it again. If either Mitt or Ann had said that was "dumb", Seamus would not be a topic of discussion or a question during an interview. The Romney's are insulated by wealth; neither has a real understanding of what it means to be struggling to pay the bills or feed the family or buy medicine--they are Wooden. There is nothing wrong with being wealthy; we have had many wealthy presidents but they were connected with ordinary people, they did understand the plight of those who struggle while the Romney's seem disconnected from reality.

There are thousands maybe millions of women David Walker's wonderful piece represents. I know because I grew up in a family with a similar story except I did not have a dead-beat Dad.

*** Buffett Rule goes down to defeat:

Yet another stunt by Obama goes down in flames. The so-called "Buffett Rule" would bring in $5 billion of new tax revenue. That would cover 0.003% of Obama's $1.3 trillion dollar deficit. It would also cover 1.25 days of his deficit spending ($4 billion a day).

Obama is not a serious president. Political stunts like this are not productive at solving the nations problems.

Maybe Harry Reid can bring up the "Buffett Rule" again when ever he finally produces a budget.

Let's talk immigration. Romney has no problem with illegal aliens (Latinos) working on his homes, mowing the grass, pulling weeds and general gardening duties as long as NO one finds out he's breaking the law. When someone points out to him, and the World, that he's breaking the law he freaks and pretends he never knew his workers were illegal. Give me a break.

Both Romney and I live in the same area, me full time, he in one of his mansions part time in San Diego, CA. San Diego is flooded with Mexican workers (both legal and illegal) who come across the border seeking work. These are by far, kind, polite and hard working people just trying to survive.

Having spent many years in Latin American Countries and speaking better than average Spanish, I've talked with many of them about immigration and becoming a citizen. They all are hoping the "Drean Act" becomes a reality. As for Romney's solution to the problem, " JUST LET THEM GO BACK HOME". How out of touch with reality this man is. And he 's trying to get the Latino voters to swing over to his side. What a fool. Any Latino I've every talked to would NEVER vote for a Republican, and for good reason.

So Mr. Romney you can just forget the Latino vote and without them you can't possibley win the election.

Obama in 2012.

Derek - I'll agree with you and illegal 'immigration' is not a Latino problem.

Sadly, the MSM likes to promote it that way, because then it get the Latino communities riled up. It helps to divide the country. If the MSM media focused on the number of illegal Middle Eastern people are in the US, then everyone would band together to stop it. By focusing on one area (instead of the whole), it can polarize and divide.

The last thing the MSM and the political parties want is to have everyone on one side of an argument. (unless you represent that same side)

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/07/13/hollywood-finally-admits-it-discriminates-against-conservatives-could-this-be/?intcmp=obinsite

Romney is nothing but a greedy AZZ. He's not going to get many latino votes or women votes or black votes, he will only get like 53% of his own GOP votes. No way this guy would win being a mayor of a town forget being the president of the USA!

Pat, Boston, terrific post and cheers for pointing out Ted Nugent's comments as well as Chris Matthews's bumbling attempt to play Hardball with foreign diplomacy.

Derek,

I have a lot of friends in the "Latino" community. They are 100% behind you. They consider themselves "American" not part of some alien group, too.

So to get the Latino vote Romney should do what? Allow our borders and laws to be broke, let our Hospitals and services be burdened with "undocumented" immigrants, turn a blind eye to the drug trafficking and human smugglers, spend billions of tax payer dollars on non citizen law breakers?

If these are the type of things Obama and liberal Democrats are willing to accept for votes and power what type of people are they? Besides I think more "Latinos" are like Derek and don't want to be treated like some second class citizen because of others who break the law.

What nice company the Romneys keep. The NRA and now Donald Trump

Think Progress:

Last week, Ann Romney became her husband’s point-person on the so-called “war on women” when she accused Democrats of not valuing the work of stay-at-home moms and went after CNN contributor Hilary Rosen (who is not an Obama adviser, but is a CAPAF board member) for saying that she hadn’t worked outside of the domestic sphere. The campaign went into overdrive trying to paint all Democrats as insensitive to women who choose to raise their children, only to admit hours later that Mrs. Romney saw the barb as a political “gift” she could exploit in order to help Mr. Romney close his widening gap among women voters.

This afternoon, just five days after the “controversy,” the Romneys will be participating in a special birthday fundraiser at the home of top campaign surrogate Donald Trump, further eroding their credibility in the “war on women.” Trump, after all, has a long history of misogynistic rhetoric and behavior that is far more offensive than even the least generous interpretations of Rosen’s comments. Below are Trump’s most sexist comments:

1. “I think [Attorney] Gloria [Allred] would be very very impressed with [my pe**s].” [2012]

2. “[Rosie O'Donnell is] not a smart person,” “a stone cold loser,” “a bully” “a slob,” “disgusting,” “an animal” and a “very unattractive woman both inside and out.” [ 2007]

3. “[Angelina Jolie's] been with so many guys she makes me look like a baby, OK, with the other side. And, I just don’t even find her attractive.” [2006]

4. “You know, it doesn’t really matter what [the media] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of [expletive].” [1991]

5. “Well, you know ‘The National Enquirer’ did a story they said, ‘Who’s had more supermodels than any man ever in history?’ ‘Let’s name ‘em, let’s each of us name ‘em’ ‘I’ve had a lot of them, I’ll tell you that.” [2011]

6. “All of the women on ‘The Apprentice’ flirted with me- consciously or unconsciously. That’s to be expected.” [ 2011 ]

7. “I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are more beautiful.” [ 2000]

The birthday luncheon has already netted over $600,000 for the Romney campaign, a Trump spokesman tells CBS News, and the campaign has asked the businessman to “host a similar fundraiser when Romney secures the Republican presidential nomination.” “[T]ickets to that event would sell for $50,000 and 50 donors have already expressed interest in attending.”

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Ann Romney is attending this? She is something else. No better than her husband or Trump.

The Republicans are idiots. They could've won this election with the right candidate and instead they get a complete dope. The only reason why Romney is where he is because he was the chosen candidate by the GOP and they put major money into him to bring down his opponents and brainwashed people into thinking only he could beat Obama.

Romney is toast. He's not going to win. Unfortunately, we'll get Obama again who is one of the biggest votes I've regretted. This Buffet Rule is baloney and Obamacare falls way short of the single payer he promised.

This is the year for the 3rd party. If the Greens were smart, they'd get Nadar again. But they're not smart. The Libertarians may have a chance.

As for the GOP, I'd do an open convention. I'd dump Romney NOW. They could go behind the scenes and get someone else.

Unfortunately, we'll get Obama again who is one of the biggest votes I've regretted.

My only regret is having him over Hillary. I'd take Obama over McCain though any day of the week.

jos1: hollywood-finally-admits-it-discriminates-against-conservatives

Say it ain't so! Always figured Babs Streisand as a rock solid conservative.

Now the news networks and the New York Times (for starters) can come forward and do the same.

The Republicans are idiots

Look out, general attacks are now a suspendable offense...at least if you use sheep to generally describe an ideology! Dont be Baaaaaaaaaaad!

David, great piece. I too had mother like that, one who became a widow at 37, there were plenty more who had a husband, yet raised their families to be very successful and fulfilled. There are no Ds or Rs next to their names either, they just did the right thing.

Dennis and Amy, terrific info on the polls and Amy as women are a huge voting number, and this info spells trouble for the republicans. It is not just Romney, it is republicans in general, who are going to be sent packing. Women in general make better judges of character and are savvy enough to know who's in their corner.

Pat, thanks for posting that piece on Chris Matthews, the only one he embarrassed was himself. His problem is, he thinks he's better at what he does than most of us think. Geez between the SS and their disgraceful dereliction of duty, and Matthews, other countries must wonder if we breed idiots here.

Feisty, I always think, you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat and care for their animals. The Romneys fail that measure by a mile, they should have been fined for cruelty to animals. No wonder we have a 'Dogs against Romney'.

Woof, Woof, from Bo who says Obama/Biden 2012, vote for my Daddy.

Obama is the only legitimate choice. The gop has lost ALL credibility due to its leadership. Idiots all. Poor working republican on the street just a duped sheep. Self hardened and polarized to a point of stupid. Very few true americans amoung you all. How sad a state of affairs the gop has brought to this country the last decade. Why would americans vote for terrible leadership when we have the best man to hit the white house in decades already in it? Romney is not credible nor honorable. He flat disgusts me. You republicans need to clean house if this is the best you can do. Pityful.

Pat Boston MA.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I don’t know if that is what President Roussef said, but this is what happens when commentators from the United States here as moderators [try to pull a fast one on us]. [Laughter] Chris is one of the best, of course, doing this. But look, this is already happening, it is a reality. Brazil has changed, Colombia has changed, and we welcome that change. The notion that we see this as a problem is a mistake because if we have a prosperous middle class in Latin America, those are new clients for us. We do want… Brazil is growing, and that is a vast opportunity.

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You would think after all these freakin’ years Matthews would have a clue how to behave on a world stage.

Pat

It was so refreshing to see our President, in a foreign country, exhibit to the world leadership qualities and bring the focus back to the original topic; in addition to showing how sophomoric tweety's spittle is.

Regarding Ted Nugget's psychoooo spittle only substantiates my post of much the RWNJ s love touture and how uncivilized they are. He'll go on FOX's KKKlanity and they'll all cheer him on

Brianb:

Now is the time to drag out that dictionary. Look up the definitions of passionate and COMpassionate. Then put it in the context of George W. Bush - the compassionate conservative.

If - and this is a very big IF - you are capable of doing that, you will see why your posts are less than worthless.

Now the news networks and the New York Times (for starters) can come forward and do the same.

It's everywhere though. Every outlet is obviously slanted one way or another.

In MN our newspaper is blatantly liberal, they don't even try to hide it. I'd say our CBS and NBC are mild to moderately liberal. Our local FOX (not the cable one, our local one) is pretty blatantly conservative, etc.

They all have their little agendas, just depends on what the network execs want them to say.

Hey David Walker,

"He destroys jobs?" Going into a failing company, and making cuts (jobs, etc.) to keep the company viable and in business so that some of the employees keep working, instead of all of them losing their jobs is "destroying jobs"? Do you have specifics with verifiable information, or are you just repeating the rhetoric you hear?

"he hides millions in offshore accounts" You really think the sitting President with all the resources available to him wouldn't pounce on this if it were true, or illegal? Again, do you have specifics with verifiable information, or are you just repeating the rhetoric you hear?

Your opinion that Ann is less of a woman, and mother because she didn't have the same problems as the lady you wrote about is a cheap, petty shot at all mothers! Did she worry any less about her children when they were sick, or having problems in school, etc? Does she love her children, and family any less because she doesn't have the financial problems others may?

You sound like a very bitter person. Do you really think that people with money don't have any real life problems? If you do, that's pretty sad. But you have plenty of company in those who spend more than they can afford on lotto tickets, instead of just working harder to get ahead!

Spokesperson for LULAC this morning on local radio said Republicans typically get 25 to 33% of the vote and he saw nothing that would ever change that because both sides lie when pandering for the Latino vote.

Too bad Latinos don't vote American first.

Short version: Liberal - emotional hypocrite.

I knew BrianB was a liberal. I proved it yesterday in his thread about "juvenile retorts" where i schooled him on his own "emotional hypocrisy". Clearly a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Logic Required - What does Bill Ayers have to do with President Obama? Rev. Wright is a home grown terrorist?

You people are sick.

Pat in Boston: Trump, after all, has a long history of misogynistic rhetoric and behavior that is far more offensive than even the least generous interpretations of Rosen’s comments.

Of course the problem is Rosen works for Obama.

Speaking of misogynistic rhetoric, should we have a conversation about the #1 contributor to Obama's super-pac, Bill Maher?

Pat in Boston: Think Progress

It is doubtful anyone could find a more misnamed website.

Feisty, I always think, you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat and care for their animals

Gingerbread Mamma,

You KNOW it!

It speaks volumes to their true character - like strapping a sick pup to the roof of the family car!

Rep. Peter King is one of the House’s most high-profile and media-savy Republicans, but it doesn’t sound like he’s too excited to promote Mitt Romney. Appearing on MSNBC’s Morning Joe today, King was asked “how excited” his constituents are about the presumed GOP nominee. “They’re not,” he replied frankly. “There is not that excitement level, it’s not what you would see with a Bill Clinton or a George Bush, for that matter, who were able to identify with people. So far, Governor Romney has not shown that,”

Beverly, the President's trip wasn't much covered here America. His trips usually aren't. But he certainly handles himself well on a world stage. Unlike most of our media here. What fools most of them are.

Of course the problem is Rosen works for Obama.

Snuffy,

You got a source for that?

should we have a conversation about the #1 contributer to Obama's super-pac, Bill Maher?

No...

We know Bill Maher contributed the million dollars, say though, you want to tell us who donated the 10 million to Karl Rove?

Do we even know if they are American?

It is doubtful anyone could find a more misnamed website.

It comes as NO suprise Snuffy would find 'thinking' & 'progress' painful...

Yup, all the usual suspects ( liberals ) patting each other on the back for their cleverness again today. Nothing meaningful to talk about since obumbo has accomplished NOTHING in nearly THREE YEARS.

Because a POTUS can just conjure laws without having Congress pass them, right?

Pat Boston MA,

Has Obama given back the million dollar contribution from Bill Maher yet? You know the guy who called Palin the "C" word on a national cable show! And was once kicked off the air for saying the 911 terrorists had more courage than an American pilot who fires a missile miles away from the action! As far as the Rosie comment Trump made, I'm in total agreement with him on that one. Remember when she bushwhacked Tom Selleck on her show about his advocacy of gun owners rights, and how she was totally against anyone being able to have, let alone carry a gun? When in fact the guys who watch her kid carry concealed guns!

Phancy, I second that thought about Latino's. I have many friends that are citizens and they also protest the illegal immigrants. I also have friends that are trying to become legal citizens and do want to assimilate into the culture. Immigration = not bad... Illegal immigration = bad!

Logic Required - What does Bill Ayers have to do with President Obama? Rev. Wright is a home grown terrorist?

You people are sick.

You made a referance to the company Romney keeps (NRA now Donald Trump) I pointed out some of the company Obama Keeps, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, black Panthers, & Campaign contibutor Bill Mayer. I called Bill Ayers a Home grown Terrorist, Rev. Wright a racist and anti semitic, & so on. I never said Rev Wright was a home grown terrorist, I listed Obamas friends and followed it with a brief description. I'm sorry you were not able to follow & figure out Bill Ayers was labeled the homegrown terrorist. I will try to TYPE SLOWER IN THE FUTURE.

By the way what do you mean by you people? Are you a racist? A bigot? What type of PEOPLE am I?

Over the past couple of weeks, the real news world has been rife with news stories that are damaging to the Obama administration. MSNBC has either covered them minimally....allowing no reader comments....or ignored them completely. Yet, each morning, there is a First Read story like this one that contains no real substance, but allows the the left wing sheep a chance to spew their hatred. Do they actually believe that this charade will change anyone's mind?

LOL You look at all the money the Obama's have burnt playing celebrities and jet-setting around the globe on lavish vacations and it becomes really laughable when liberals try to paint only the Romney's as elitists.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Of course the problem is Rosen works for Obama.

Snuffy,

You got a source for that?

White House visitor logs indicate that “Hilary Rosen” visited the White House 35 times.

If raising taxes on the rich will cause the economy to flounder, then, in theory, lowering them will cause the economy to grow.

Those that are paid mostly through capital gains are the ones commanding high salaries and, at the same time, decide mostly where investments will be funneled for technology, medication, research, etc. (in a broad sense).

With capital gains taxes as low as they are, can someone please explain, without simply defaulting to "it's Obama's economic policies" blame game, why the economy is doing so poorly while capital gains taxes are so low?

Thanks.

David - I never expect YOU to glean anything of worth from my posts. You stating my posts are worthless is absolutely no surprise. Your mind is shut... It's as if a solid lead shield were placed over the apex of your head and blanketed every possible pore that would allow reasonable thought to enter in.

Let's admit it, the amount of reasonable thought you possess is equal to the amount of air in outer space. That was exactly my point. You wanted to know what I thought of liberals... and you wonder where I get my information from.... look in the mirror. You will see an emotional hypocrite. Maybe one day you will understand exactly what I mean... I'm not holding my breath though... Lead is dense.

Pat- You MUST be a plant here. Seriously. Have you been sent by Sean Hannity to be a parody of a mindless, stupid, dumbass hypocrital liberal? Because if you aren't, then that means that you AREin fact, a mindless, stupid, dumbass hypocrital liberal. Does it ever get old???? LOL

By the way, it's "hypocritical".

Nice irony though.

William Root:

You know - or should know - damned good and well those aren't talking points or cheap rhetoric about Romney and his penchant for destroying companies by extracting capital. There's reams of documentation available on that subject. It's been posted on these very threads time and again. However, if you're honestly interested, which you aren't - you can go to a search block and type, "Romney job killer".

About those off-shore accounts. I never said they were illegal. What would be illegal would be for the President or his staff to go into Romney's returns and make them public. That said, when Romney is touting his recipe for success for America - you know, the one he won't tell us about - it's hard to see where keeping your money off shore is investing in American success. Romney is a capital extractor. Don't even try to lay your line of BS on me.

I never said that Ann Romney didn't worry less about her children than other mothers do. Let me try to spell this out for you, or is being obtuse your long suit? Working mothers - real out of the house working mothers - are ALSO concerned about a job that pays enough to cover the bills, those illnesses, being forced to miss work to care for those children AND for herself because she is the breadwinner. Along with the requisite 50 or so hours she'll need for her job, she'll need time to shop, to take care of the house, the car, and a host of other problems. She'll teach her kids - if they're lucky - how to sew, to wash clothes, to iron, to cook, to paint, to make home repairs. I can do all that and more, thanks to a working Mother.

I sound like a bitter person? You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very proud person who understands the REAL world, and I am very angry that people like the Romneys pretend to live in that world. They do not.

JAS1 -- What no concern over the anonymous 10 Million Dollar donation made to Rove's SuperPAC? If I were you I would be very concerned. Could be a foreign operator for all we know. Celebrities frighten you more I guess. Doesn't surprise me at all.

LogicReguired

What nice company the Romneys keep. The NRA and now Donald Trump

How does this compare with Obamas friends (Bill Ayers - Home grown Terrorist, Rev. Wright - Racist and Anti Semitic, Black Panthers - Racist, calls for violence. Obama and Holder dropped charges of Black Panther Members who stood out in front of voting with weapons.)

Bill Mayer - Calls Sarah Palin the "C" word. - (Most be a big champion of women)

Turn off FOX's KKKanity President Obama was vetted already in the 2008. That is the problem with RWNJS you live in the past. You people are sick in the head.

What about Ted Nugget, Hal Turner, gringrich, Neo-Nazi Russell Pierce and all the bigots Hannity hangs out with and has on his show?

Moreover, what makes you right wing idiots think you're the only true Americans with those UN-American attitudes?

Here Sean comes out the closet.

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Sunday, April 18, 2010

Timothy McVeigh, Sean Hannity, Tea Party

Careful Damage123, if you make the liberals to mad Feisty will have to log off as Feisty and log back in as the moderator and so she can suspend you! LOL

White House visitor logs indicate that “Hilary Rosen” visited the White House 35 times.

Wow!

I didn't realize signing a visitor log indicated you worked for President Obama!

I can't tell you how happy I am you cleared it up for little ol' me...

Now where did you go Snuffy? Your 'wing-man' was an epic fail!

I asked YOU for a valid source and you scamper off again with your tail between your legs...

Im pretty sure you can find a record of how many times Ms Rosen has visited the White house. I heard it was some ridiculous number. But as a matter of record my mother (single mom for most of my years at home) raised 5 children with the death of my brother last week reduced to 4. She did it working 3 or 4 jobs (3 years as a cook feeding Latinos for Consolidated Cigar corp) in order to keep us kids off of government hand outs. We ate a lot of cheerios and grilled cheese with watered down milk growing up. But she continued to reinforce that her children were going to be self sufficient and not rely on others. The four remaining children are closing in on retirement and to this date have yet to use anyone else's money to live on. My twin sisters own a restaurant and my surviving brother is a masonry supervisor and Im a network engineer. When we did not have money to buy food we grew our own, a family tradition with all of us continue to this day. It is healing to get your hands into the dirt and watch something you planted grow to be used. Again a sense of responsibility for oneself.

Brian..."Your mind is shut..."

Reminds me of Legolas in Lord of the Rings:

"The way is shut. It was made by those who are dead, and the dead keep it. The way is shut."

What about Ted Nugget, Hal Turner, Neo-Nazi Russell Pierce and all the bigots Hannity hangs out with and has on his show?

What do these people have to do with ROMNEY! If Obama was running against Hannity you would have a case but the last time I checked Romney didn't attend Nugget Church for the last 20 years, and unlike MY EXAMPLES, Romney has no association with anyone you mentioned. Thanks for the apples to oranges comparison though.

Can anyone on here please stop insulting each other and answer my question?

Why has the economy not rebounded (strongly) while capital gains taxes remain so low?

@hs321

Reminds me of Legolas in Lord of the Rings:

Return of the King was terrible in comparison to the book, which was awesome.

Bryan sputtered: I knew BrianB was a liberal. I proved it yesterday in his thread about "juvenile retorts" where i schooled him on his own "emotional hypocrisy". Clearly a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Humor from a liberal is very much like getting one's tooth pulled without Novocaine. No matter how you grimace or yell, it hurts all the more. Bryan wouldn't know how to school an eager child.

I digress... notice how Bryan comes onto the board swinging at conservatives. He doesn't address the issue at hand... his purpose is the typical Alynski tactic of minimization. Attack the enemy, try to neutralize him. Well Bryan - F U. It didn't work... you wouldn't know a picnic if it were placed in front of you in an open meadow.

I asked YOU for a valid source and you scamper off again with your tail between your legs...

White House log is not a "valid source"? So because Rosen didn't get a pay check from the White House she is no way associated even with the many visits, good to know. I'm glad we have you Feisty to tell us which relationships are relevant and which ones aren't.

Wow!

I didn't realize signing a visitor log indicated you worked for President Obama!

I can't tell you how happy I am you cleared it up for little ol' me...

Now where did you go Snuffy? Your 'wing-man' was an epic fail!

I asked YOU for a valid source and you scamper off again with your tail between your legs

Doesnt raise your suspicion eh Fiesty? Shocking! Hardly an epic fail. Click the link, it is valid.

Skorned

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Of course the problem is Rosen works for Obama.

Snuffy,

You got a source for that?

White House visitor logs indicate that “Hilary Rosen” visited the White House 35 times

So what does that prove? Many people visit the White House?

Q The 35 visits?

MR. CARNEY: First of all, I haven't seen the records. I don't know that -- Hilary Rosen, I know three, personally, women named Hilary Rosen. So I'm not sure that those represent the person we're talking about necessarily. So I really can't comment on the number of visits since I'm not sure that's accurate.

Q Well, how about the degree of this particular Hilary Rosen's --

MR. CARNEY: I don't know how many times she's been here. She's not a -- she is a Democratic strategist; she's a CNN contributor, as far as I know. And I don't know how to assess her overall relationship with people here in the White House. But I do not -- I have not seen her here very frequently.

Q Do you expect that relationship to continue on whatever level it is?

MR. CARNEY: Well, again, I don't know what the relationship is. Let's focus on what the issue here is. This is a -- when it comes to what this administration has done for women, it begins with the President signing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. It continues with the emphasis on the need to put teachers back in the classroom. It continues with a variety of programs, including our opposition to the Ryan/Republican budget and its dramatic cuts.

Reading is fundamental!!!!

hs321 - What an excellent analogy! I love it!

From another website::

When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy’s Fashion Mart, Freddy’s white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. “We will not stand by,” he warns malignantly, “and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.” Sharpton’s National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy’s are spat on and cursed as “traitors” and “Uncle Toms.” Some protesters shout, “Burn down the Jew store!” and simulate striking a match. “We’re going to see that this cracker suffers,” says Sharpton’s colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy’s, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.

Hey Dumbfux Sisters (Feisty, Pat,Boston and Beverly). Were you all among the crowd during this disgusting incident? I bet you wish you were, don't you? Don't go calling me a sicko for bringing up this incident. Look at yourselves in the mirror and ask yourselves why you support such a filthy POS. Al Sharpton has blood on his hands. Just like he, MSNBC, CNN, Eric Holder and all the other idiots the last few weeks who exploited the Trayvon Martin case will have when Zimmerman goes free. I hope you all can live with yourselves.

A quick check of all the polls show that just like smart money predicted, as soon as the primary is over, the GOP candidate will quickly narrow the gap and be leading Obama by October. This happens every time so not sure why you Obama campaigners put your heads in the sand. Obama could still win but he certainly has a very uphill battle especially in the swing states if the election comes down to the economy and his economic policies.

David, I thought you were always critical of people not providing cites. Can you provide me the cite that Mitt has cash in bank accounts to avoid tax? I am sure Buffet and Soros have more money in offshore accounts than Mitt, do you think they did it to avoid tax. Do you think the German business man who puts money into the Chicago branch of Bank of America is avoiding tax or just being a smart diversified investor? Can you provide evidence that Mitt destroyed jobs? It was my understanding that he made alot of money for his union pension plan investors. Your ideological ridiculousness just makes you look silly. Keep up the campaigning for him, your rhetoric is certainly going to change alot of minds and hearts. Yeah right.

Brianb:

Deflect and divert. What's the problem? Are you afraid to look up "passionate" and "compassionate"? You certainly don't know their meaning. Join us in the world of people who speak and understand the English language.

You wrote:

"You wanted to know what I thought of liberals...."

No, that is not what I wanted to know. We all know what you "think" of liberals. I wanted to know how you define liberals. Your little screed basically defined liberals as anyone who disagrees with your bankrupt dogma.

You're simply an old, bitter, nasty man who stopped thinking long ago. You don't understand the world is moving far beyond your outdated notion that you should be making the rules because you can take a leak standing up. Good grief Bub, you're raining on your own leg.

Come on Ruken - the book didn't have all that awesome music. The music made that movie great!

Come on Ruken - the book didn't have all that awesome music. The music made that move great!

The movie cut out like 95% of their trip across Mordor, and the whole bit with Saruman in the Shire.

*raises fists in anger*

So what does that prove? Many people visit the White House?

Beverly, it proves that she is associated with the White House. Check how many times the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, the Vice President, all visited the White House. It is significant, and is a logical link to the association with the White House. Dont be silly

Spider, I notice you are always here to throw out your barbs about MSNBC. You seem to hate it very much. My question to you is "Why do you come here and read it if you despise it so much?". You are either very stupid for coming here.. or lying....Which is it?? You seem to be the sheep that keep coming here for punishment. Not very smart I would say.

So what does that prove? Many people visit the White House?

Exactly Bev - did she pick up her check on the way in or the way out?

Snuffy claims she worked for the President, all I want is proof? Is that too much to ask?

Beverly, it proves that she is associated with the White House

Oh, I see, now it's she is associated with the White House which is a far cry from;

JoAnnaSmith1

Pat in Boston: Trump, after all, has a long history of misogynistic rhetoric and behavior that is far more offensive than even the least generous interpretations of Rosen’s comments.

Of course the problem is Rosen works for Obama.

Nice crabwalk backwards my friend! *wink wink*

Q: Who is the only president that ever granted millions of illegals amnesty?

A: Ronald Reagen

Q: Which extremely wealthy presidential candidate had illegals in his employ.

A: Mitt (short for unmitigated liar) Romney.

LogicReguired

Careful Damage123, if you make the liberals to mad Feisty will have to log off as Feisty and log back in as the moderator and so she can suspend you! LOL

Aint that the truth hehe

Gee David - I was correct in my analogy of you wearing a lead crown... nothing enters in. My thoughts are my definition. You wanted to know... I spelled it out for you... and now you still are protesting. Maybe I should add that as a greater more expansive definition of liberals. They protest everything... even when things have been spelled out for them.

Compassionate liberals... those pretending to show compassion for their causes.

I actually like that definition... I know you hate it... because you believe in your pretend convictions. And I say pretend because you are not consistent. You feel deeply for homosexuals and their plight in society while in the same breath hating those that are conservative. On one hand you love and the other hand you hate. Hot and cold coming from the same faucet...

Snuffy claims she worked for the President, all I want is proof? Is that too much to ask?

Fiesty, prove that you do not work for First Read...Given the nature of "facts" and available facts that we as the public are able to retrieve, logical inference is often all the public has to work with.

Ruken - I think it was the time factor. In all, all three movies span 9 hours. Besides, the selling feature of the movies were the battle scenes. You know they had to produce them with vigor, or the movies wouldn't sell. I would have liked to have seen more of the journey across Mordor, but the fight between Samwise and Golum was getting old. I found that portion rather boring.

Tiggle

With capital gains taxes as low as they are, can someone please explain, without simply defaulting to "it's Obama's economic policies" blame game, why the economy is doing so poorly while capital gains taxes are so low?

Well Tiggle Capital Gains tax are just one factor in the economy, but the you also need to think like investors and business men. Investors are BETTING on the future, and although Capital Gains Tax along with other tax are still relatively low all the talk is about them going higher. Health Care Cost are going up, energy cost are going up, and all the debate is about taxes going up so if your a investor / business man you take some of your money off the table know while taxes are low and wait to see how things pan out. The tax code is a 2,000 page joke and if Obama and Republicans could agree to no tax increases but less tax loopholes and deductions while giving some reassurance the rules aren't going to change over night more investor would be willing to RISK their money. This is the best I can do without writing a book and giving an economic lesson.

Kirk Romney does not have a chance just like Ann Coulter said. Obama won by a landslide, and if the same people vote for him he will win again, and Romney will never change enough minds. Republicans needed a guy that could flip some democrats, they had no such person in the primary, many republicans will have to hold their nose and vote for him, he will not flip many independents, and he won't flip any democrats. Republicans just don't have enough votes to win a general election, they simply can't get enough electoral votes with a few southern states and Utah.

Spider wrote: Over the past couple of weeks, the real news world has been rife with news stories that are damaging to the Obama administration. MSNBC has either covered them minimally....allowing no reader comments....or ignored them completely. Yet, each morning, there is a First Read story like this one that contains no real substance, but allows the the left wing sheep a chance to spew their hatred. Do they actually believe that this charade will change anyone's mind?

Spider - don't you know, this is the liberal mecca. The liberals all gather here each morning to get their daily dose of bashing anything conservative, or republican.

I come here to have fun with liberals. My motive is way different than theirs. While they hold their beliefs to be of the most serious nature... and the more they bash, the happier they become... I enjoy reading their garbage because it reinforces my belief that liberals are emotional hypocrites. They proclaim to be these wonderful people all striving for a better way of life, while exposing their hatred for that very life they are trying to achieve. It's amazing to watch them walk up the down escalator.

Everything boils down to money. The democrats promise to all groups, except for those that are working and successful, and so naturally those groups vote for those making that promise. Now Obama is offering food stamps to seniors because of his policies to keep int rates low killing any source of income for seniors. But...I digress. The money ran out. That is why the high deficits and growing public debt. Right now we are being dinged for that policy and can still sell treasuries at very reduced rates even though our debt is mounting. The thing is we will never pay down that debt and so eventually bonds prices will reflect that reality. Dems could care less about paying down the gross debt, because they see a lot of that debt being owned to ourselves and thus internal. However, more and more of the money we borrow is from other nations and thus the external debt is rising quicker now.

Obama can't win on his record, so he is assuring all the groups dependent on the government that he will take care of them, which of course nobody can promise but a politician.

I am Irish. My ancestors came here from Ireland back in the 70s. Most had huge families when they came over on the boat. Many of my relatives came in around MASS and then wandered over to the midwest to buy land and build farms. The Irish were poorly thought of when they came over because of their faith, size of family, and they lacked skills. So they were the ones tapped to do all the dirty work. The Irish built the US. They lived in squalor, took physically hard jobs and as it turns out saved their pennies. The Irish became the financially most successful group to migrate to this country.

The problem today is illegal immigration, mostly from Mexico. It is so perplexing that Mexico, a country rich in resources, and geographically well situation, has done so little for its people, and that the people instead of forcing the change inside Mexico, have opted to come here for the jobs and benefits. It is the safety nets that are abused because nobody wants the children to suffer, but they do anyway because the passage was illegal. If you give amnesty to all that are here currently, that wouldn't solve anything because the borders are open and more illegals will come the next day.

Either the borders get enforced, or the borders are free flowing in both directions which Mexico would not agree to.

Hiring illegals has depressed wages here in the US. It doesn't take a math wiz to figure this out.

Our country is changing quickly. One only needs to look to CA to see the condition the US will be in if fiscal policies aren't changed quickly. If CA looks good to you, then vote Obama back in. CA voted back Brown and things have gone from bad to worse and still sliding off a cliff.

We are creating low paying jobs, our educational system doesn't seem to appeal to many minorities that don't graduate and thus that group becomes the unskilled which we don't need and eventually they become dependent on the government taking resources from those working.

In 1980, only 20 percent of workers did not pay federal taxes. Today that number is near 50 percent. It just doesn't take a genius to see we are headed in the wrong direction. We can all blame the other party, but pretty much the warning signs have been there but because of elections promises were made without the means to fund. This article shows nothing has changed. Most on here don't want solutions, they just want to cast blame and they want their party to stay in power as we circle the drain.

Brianb - What incredible dribble.

I noticed that liberals are saying things are improving... the job situation is improving... not so much... unemployment is still very high.

Yes it is but it's dropping back down (no thanks to republicans in congress). When Obama took office we were hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs per month. Since that was under Bush I guess in your world unemployment is a good thing.

The economy sucks... meaning the cost of goods and services are rising... been to the grocery store lately? Ribeye steaks are running close to $13.00 a pound... Milk is nearing $5.00 a gallon... and gasoline is $4.09 in south Florida. These are things people will remember because they deal with them every day of the week. We have record numbers of people on food stamps. Who sets the policy for money control? It's Obama... since he is the chief executive of this country... and the blame falls squarely on his shoulders...

Tell me, what is Romney's plan to reduce the price of ribeye steaks, reduce the price of milk and what is his plan to reduce the price of gasoline? ...exactly...nothing!

A change is needed... Not sure what difference Romney can make, but at least he has business experience and knows how to read an economic chart.

I'm sure in your world the ability to read an economic chart is a game changer...not so much in ours. Since he made his money disassembling businesses, It's not clear to me that selling off the pieces of what's left of our country to the Chinese is something worth voting for.

The only thing Obama knows how to read is the teleprompter and he's force fed words to say. Ummmm, Ahhhhh.... Let me make this perfectly clear. Obama is by far, outgunned and out manned. Liberal polls will tell their story, but they never take into account reality... they feed the masses of useless idiots exactly what they want them to eat.

...This coming from an obvious FOX viewer.

"When they show you who they are...believe them"

Fiesty, prove that you do not work for First Read

Now why would I do that?

I find it far too entertaining listening to you & the rest of the tin foil hat crowd gossip about it!

I enjoy nothing more then a good laugh! ☺

PS: Still waiting for the source that proves Hillary Rosen works for the President... *tick tock*

You should think about a refresher course in deflection little buddy! You're rather rusty...

Now why would I do that?

I find it far too entertaining listening to you & the rest of the tin foil hat crowd gossip about it!

I enjoy nothing more then a good laugh! ☺

Well, not denying it I suppose could be inferred proof...you came close!

You should think about a refresher course in deflection little buddy! You're rather rusty

I am not little, and probably not your buddy by anybody's definition.

Nothing speaks to trying to walk up the down escalator than people from right to work for less and less and less states, that have the lowest median incomes in the nation, denigrate unions and praise the very republican policies that keep them picking sh!t with the chickens. I'll give you a clue when the Mexicans are leaving you know your job sucks.

BrianB said something about me. Yawn.

BrianB, you are an overly critical, hypocritical, narcissist. No one can disagree with you. Or they suffer the wrath of your criticism. I am trying to keep you real BrianB. Notice you don't deny your hypocrisy, you dance around it in typical narcissist fashion.

You're words hurt you more than me.

Forrest--you could be correct but you felt just as strongly I remember that the Occupy Wall Street movement was going to change the world and make a huge difference. It as predicted got no traction and has become more of an albatross or embarassment for the democratic party. At some point Obama will have to try and run on his record and stop with the deflections like the War on women crap. I could create Obama's War on private enterprise with more credibility than his attempts to keep people focuses on anything but his economic record. That said, Romney could very well slip up or the economy could do an amazing flip by November who knows. But if the race comes down to Obama's actual record and proposed economic policies versus Romney's stated GOP plans, you can rest assured that Obama will lose. This election is not about the GOP social issue platform--it really will come down to the economy, tax reform, entitlement reform (or restrictions on government spending) and healthcare. The problem with the Obama campaigners on this blog is that they dont get out in the real world with people outside their cocoon of like minded followers. True Patriot thinks that we should tax people like Albert Pujols as much as can in order to create equality of outcomes with his local teacher, Seeking Sanity actually says there isnt anyone on unemployment who stays on unemployment until it runs out before getting a job so extending it isnt a disincentive, she also says there are no mortgage borrowers who borrowed outside of what they could afford, and you read the posts regarding the individual mandate on healthcare and some of ACA's good and bad issues and you wonder what planet these people are on when poll after poll show 70% are against the individual mandate. Someone actually posted that the preexisting condition benefit saved money--Forrest its lunacy when you read some of this stuff because the reality is that more than half the country is not happy with the job the president has done and they are not ignorant or with low IQs as David would like to think. Obama has actually made Romney's job of getting elected easier by not really being a very good economic president and when you have Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi as your sidekicks are you really that surprised that the race is close? Obama won by a landslide in the last election? Are you sure, you should go back and check that again especially in the swing states.

Q: Which extremely wealthy presidential candidate had illegals in his employ.

A: Mitt Romney.

Forest Grump:

Q: Who has been hiding ( keeping them from being deported) his illegal relatives?

A: Barack Obama

If illegal immigration were really an issue with the President, he would have done something about it a long time ago.

Tiggle said: Can anyone on here please stop insulting each other and answer my question?

Why has the economy not rebounded (strongly) while capital gains taxes remain so low?

Awww Tiggle - Insults are common place around here. Sometimes you have to grow thick skin to get past all of them. Mine is about 3 inches thick.

The reason the economy hasn't rebounded even though capital gains taxes remain so low is because of uncertainty. The ADA is looming. The chance of Obama being re-elected is also a major problem. If he gets a second term, he will finally emerge from campaign mode and the real Obama will come forth. He plans on taxing us to death... although the liberals will argue with me, all indicators point to the fact that he will do everything in his power to raise taxes across the board. We shall see if the real Obama emerges. I give it about a 95% chance taxes will go through the roof. It will be one of the last nails in the coffin of destroying this country. The GDP will fall to record lows, inflation and interest rates will climb towards the sky and we will be facing economic collapse... everything Obama wants.

While this may be my opinion, I don't arrive at it lightly. The fall of our great nation will come from within and Obama seems to be the perfect candidate to pull it off. It has been done in little bits and pieces... Those are the things conservatives protest while the liberals defend them.

One of four things will happen...

Romney will win and hopefully things will veer away from disaster.

Romney will win and the disaster will happen anyway because we are too far gone.

Obama will win and he will proceed with his destruction of this nation

Or, I might be totally wrong about all of this and in which case, nothing will happen.

I just can't leave this one alone: Ol Doc wrote:

Yes it is but it's dropping back down (no thanks to republicans in congress). When Obama took office we were hemorrhaging 750,000 jobs per month. Since that was under Bush I guess in your world unemployment is a good thing.

Why is it no thanks to republicans in congress? Funny you should mention it... when did jobs start to stop hemorrhaging? Why, I believe it was in 2011 after the new congress was sworn in. Obama certainly didn't do anything to help stop the job loss. While you mention Bush, you forget to mention the make up of congress... It was, I believe full of democrats. The housing bubble was caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dumping about $5 trillion worth of toxic loans into the banking industry. Or do you so quickly forget the cause of the burst? In your derangement, you will quickly bash Bush for democrat activity.

Tell me, what is Romney's plan to reduce the price of ribeye steaks, reduce the price of milk and what is his plan to reduce the price of gasoline? ...exactly...nothing!

I could readily ask you the same thing about Obama's plan... exactly nothing! He's had 3 full years to reverse the economy and has done everything to worsen it. We need a change!

'm sure in your world the ability to read an economic chart is a game changer...not so much in ours. Since he made his money disassembling businesses, It's not clear to me that selling off the pieces of what's left of our country to the Chinese is something worth voting for.

A community organizer has a better chance?????? What exactly has Obama done that qualifies him to even come close to improving the economy? What actions has he taken that actually make our life better now than what it was before 2007. You seem to totally forget that the president is only one branch of the government. What have democrats done other than call the republicans the party of no? Where are their ideas to improve the economy? At least the republicans have been working at it... but democrats at every turn reject their ideas and ridicule them without even looking at them.

...This coming from an obvious FOX viewer.

This coming from a moron that thinks he knows what I do in my life. Hey jack, this is an anonymous board. Don't profess to know what I do or what I don't do. It only makes you look foolish... but as a liberal, you already do look foolish.

So basically logic your answer is "I can't explain that but hey, let me make up a a bunch of what if's and lace it with talking points" and hope you will buy it.

Skorned: "White House visitor logs indicate that “Hilary Rosen” visited the White House 35 times."

So what? I might have visited the WH 35 times but I don't work for Obama. I'll bet you Karl Rove visited the WH more than 35 times--does that mean he works for Obama?

Silly!

No need to argue over this, the message is very clear. Romney belongs to a tiny group of people who all have the same things in common: Nobody is accepted unless they are pure white male ONLY and they MUST be rich to be a member.

No women, no minorities, no poor people, not even any middle class people, and if he had a chance to run the country (which he won't) Romney would operate to the exclusion of ALL of us who do not fit in his "class".

Period.

Obama / Biden 2012

For the Record, the Lord of the Rings books > the Lord of the Rings movies. But the Lord of the Rings movies were okay. Okay translating to amazing when you compare them to every other fantasy genre film before them.

Back to DJFavorite, yes, if MSNBC was being bigoted just for the purpose of inciting people, they have done their job. Maybe they should actually get their entire article collapsed. They probably use the excuse that other newspapers are bigoted too, so that makes it okay.

Its one thing coming from a poster. Its a whole other when journalists go flock to stereotypes and prejudiced statements to sell newspapers. There's plenty of actually legitimate content they could have spent their time on.

David walker, I am under the impression that bush2 is no longer POTUS, you know that constitutional amendment limiting the POTUS to serving two terms. Please try to keep up with current events.

Kirk, I should have said electoral landslide, that is what I was referring to electoral votes and I seriously doubt that Romney can gain enough to win. The occupy wall street people are not as visible to be sure they were run out of the public squares, but they did not leave the country, they will not vote for Mr. Wall street that's pretty certain many of the them have been harnessed in a more focused and effective way to work politically for their concerns rather than just protesting. Most people rightfully blame republicans in congress for not focusing on their promise of jobs, jobs, jobs, they are a colossal failure, as reflected by the lowest approval rating ever recorded, they will not be rewarded with a republican president. The country by and large holds republicans responsible for the economy rather than the president, they still blame Bush even though republicans don't want to hear that, and republicans in Congress and republican state legislators sealed Romney's fate by focusing on social issues and tampering with workers rights, instead of trying to improve the employment situation. They have not gained any favor with any of the groups they need to in order to win a general election, and have lost favor with some who previously supported them, Romney needs a miracle in the next 6 months and this Congress won't allow it because it simply might make Obama look good. At the end of the day they will have Waterlooed themselves, they will not be rewarded with a republican president. Romney will lose the electoral vote war to Obama, even though he will win the battle in some states to be sure.

Ron Paul only candidate able to defeat Obama in new Rasmussen poll

2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul again polls better against President Barack Obama in a head-to-head matchup than establishment-choice moderate Mitt Romney, according to a poll released today from Rasmussen.

The poll notes that in a general election matchup, the 12-term Congressman from Texas edges out Obama by 1 percentage point, 44 to 43 percent. The survey also notes that in a hypothetical 2012 head-to-head, Obama and Romney are tied at 45 percent, which bodes poorly for Republicans being urged to believe the race is over, only to later experience buyer’s remorse.

The poll also finds that this far into Obama’s first term, 40 percent of voters respond that they “strongly disapprove” and 27 percent “strongly approve” of his performance. With a Presidential Approval Index of -13 points, it is noteworthy that some Republicans are seemingly settling on a candidate no more popular than the President, suggesting an establishment liberal Democrat is no more popular than a establishment liberal Republican. The Rasmussen poll may be prescient in showing a general election scenario of confusion among voters over which candidate has the least liberal record.

“Now that other candidates presenting themselves as the ‘conservative’ alternative to Mitt Romney have stepped aside, the numbers are clear. Ron Paul is the only conservative able to garner the enthusiasm, resources, and votes required to win in November. Voters perceive the contrast, and are ready to elect the candidate who will end the status quo and Restore America Now,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton.

Brian, good points but wasted on trolls like Fisty and Beverly. Fisty's still ranting over the dog incident, so that shows you how low she has gone to try to come up with talking points. And Beverly, it's totally logical to assume that (as Carney said) it could be 3 or 4 different "Rosens" with the exact same name just happening to visit the White House 35 times! Then you have Fisty, who bragged about voting in her states Governor on the promise that he would raise taxes...how's that working for you now Fisty? You did succeed in having your per capita murders go up, so I guess it benefited the minorities in your area.

I sit here and read the on going banter of people that obviously don't have a life here on this site. Some people get it but most of you don't have a clue. Obama is a communist. The facts are: he was a community organizer, a race baiter and instigator, and still is. He hung around with radicals like Bill Ayers. He 'found Jesus' through a radical preacher who hates America as much as he hates the Jews but Obama apparently never listened to anything "Jerry" said during his hate filled sermons. He loves unions which are fronts for the communist party and they are destroying this country, and California is a good example of the on going process. He was so cozy and touching the knee of the Russian leader telling him to tell Putin he will have more flexibility when he gets re-elected. What does that mean? He also said while campaigning that he was "going to spread the wealth". My child's father and parents are from Cuba, and Castro said the exact same thing before he took control, and look how well that worked out for the Cubans who weren't lucky enough to flee the country. Obama said he was going to "fundamentally change America". Let's see.....hmmmm......the only background this guy has is what I just stated above and I guess the plan for change will be based on his experience. Wake up folks! If he gets gets another term America is toast and your freedoms will be gone. Why are some Americans so blind and not able to analyze the facts? It doesn't matter which candidate is more popular!! The goal is to get him out of office! Period! A President who apologizes for America shouldn't be President!

You definitely make some accurate observations and some interesting conclusions that arent really consistent with mainstream america and public opinion polls. I agree that Obama could still win despite his poor record and unpopular economic policies. I disagree that Occupy Wall Street has any traction or has any longevity-it was a poorly conceived of protest in the first place that ran counter to a "what can I do for my country" type dialogue. It came across the opposite of the Tea Party in that whether you disagreed or agreed with the small government lower tax message, it was still a protest based on their beliefs of what would make this country better. The Occupy Wall Street crowd was all about self interest and how do I get my piece of either someone else's pie or the free pie from the government. That is not ever going to be a popular message.

Whether people blame congress for not focusing on jobs just as they blame the president for the same thing when passing ACA, the low approval rating only impacts local elections and is not connected to the view of the President's job. You say the country by and large holds the GOP responsible that cant be true when over 60% say they are not happy with the job or the economic policies of the president. It is true that they hold both responsible. I dont think anyone blames Bush anymore except those already predisposed to vote for Obama. Its not whose fault it is, it has Obama's polices made it better. I do agree that the GOP focus on social issues is a big mistake although you do realize that over 50% still disapprove of gay marriage and almost 50% of the population is prolife so its not like these are clear cut winners for the democratic party. But since I am socially moderate (I like my guns) otherwise maybe liberal, I hate the focus on these issues by the GOP. I also completely disagree with you regarding GOP governors focus on workers rights as hurting Romney and in fact I would say its helped him. Besides Walker who by the way still has almost a 50% approval rating, the right to work states and focus by Daniels and Christie have only made Romney stronger and those states better. Especially focusing on teachers unions and their inability to allow education reform is going to hurt democrats big time. As more evidence comes out regarding government unions and their contractual benefits and the unholy alliance with local democrat legislators, that is a long term loser for the democratic party and is bankrupting states like Illinois and California. Those will be winning issues for Romney. Dont forget Romney doesnt need groups like the unions to win because he never had them in the first place. I dont see how Romney needs a miracle given that in some polls like Rasmussen he is already winning and by big margins in the swing states and has narrowed the gap to a few points in national polls like Gallup. Its only April and it only gets better for the challenger from this point not worse unless he steps on himself.

"Obama will win and he will proceed with his destruction of this nation"

I'm just going to be blunt here, that is the stupidest remark, and leads to the discounting of anything valid you might have to say. The president can do very little that Congress does not approve, the problems we have did not just suddenly appear after the 2008 election. The truth is the man did not wave a magic wand and instantly solve all our problems. the problems we have existed long before he took office and by every measure are better than when he took office. Trying to lay all your troubles at the feet of one man is after years of bad decisions that got us here is just damn dumb. Why not just blame the bogeyman in your closet or the monster under your bed for all your troubles, that would make as much sense. If Romney wins who you gonna blame 4 years from now, when the plight of the middle class gets even worse, because their concerns are not being addressed by Congress.

Forrest--I agree that Obama wont destroy this nation anymore than a GOP president and when Brianb makes comments like that he loses credibility the same as when David makes the same remarks about GOP candidates or their supporters. I do have a question for you though. You say the problems and the economy by every measure is better than when he took office but how do you reconcile that with the 80% increase in government assistance or welfare up to $900 billion annually in 70 different government programs for the governments fiscal year ended last October and up again this year. If its gotten better shouldnt those numbers be going down not up?

BrianB

If he gets a second term, he will finally emerge from campaign mode and the real Obama will come forth... I give it about a 95% chance taxes will go through the roof. It will be one of the last nails in the coffin of destroying this country. The GDP will fall to record lows, inflation and interest rates will climb towards the sky and we will be facing economic collapse... everything Obama wants.

Yes, yes... and he will raise an army of zombies that will force everyone to have an abortion, then eat the fetus cells to maintain their zombie-lives. Aliens will attack, the ones from space... dogs will give birth to cats... Muslims will force you to gay marry... blah blah blah.

You might want to adjust your conspiracy theory, tin-foil hat, Brian. It is almost falling off.

One of four things will happen...

Wrong. You want to know what will happen? Do you, kid? Let me spell it out for you, little boy. Either...

1) Obama wins, the GOP in the House and Senate remain pissed, they throw up their middle finger, say "f*** you"... and refuse to let anything pass

2) Romney wins, the Democrats in the House and Senate decide to give Repubs a taste of their own medicine, they throw up their middle finger, say "f*** you"... and refuse to let anything pass

Very little changes. We continue this slow recovery path. And YOU continue to come on here with your crazy, conspiracy theory, lunatic rants about the "end-of-times". Yet, naturally, you and every other conservative refuse to take any bets on your doomsday predictions.

So, once again, I offer you a chance to make a little green. Put your money where your mouth is. I would say that we put our homes on the line, but knowing you, that won't happen. So in honor of your hero, Romney, let's make a $10k bet right here... right now. I've got $10k here that says Obama will NOT bring about Armageddon. If you honestly believe he will, take the bet. If he completely destroys the country, and America is no more... you make $10k. If he does not, and the country remains, you pay me.

Come on, big man. Step up. Show us all how deep your convictions REALLY are.

These numbers are taken from the CBO, DOL, USC's, and peer reviewed tax attorney journals...

• Roughly 8 million of the 11 million "illegals" file taxes. And, come to think of it, if paying taxes is such a big deal, why aren't you all consistently moaning about all the "legal" citizens who cheat on theirs every year?
• To deport one person costs $12,500, deporting every "illegal" would be more than the entire budget allocated to HLS.
• 1996 Welfare Reform disqualified undocumented people from any type of means tested assistance. That means Medicaid, food stamps, monthly cash... They can only collect for their legal citizen children and the amount given is only for the number of legal children. Which is a piddlesquat amount that they would be taking from you anyway, it would just be going to something not as noble as feeding innocent, hungry children. And remember number one, they pay into the taxes that fund these programs also.
• The IRS assigns ITIN numbers to all workers regardless of their immigration status, ensuring that they pay into Social Security. However, undocumented workers use fake SSN'S, ergo they can't collect. We than move that money into earning suspense accounts and use it on citizens.
• It takes roughly eight years to immigrate here legally, and they only allow already established professionals and family members of citizens. It also takes an extraordinary amount of attorney's fees, paperwork fees, and bureaucratic BS which is impossible for indigent people to handle.

It is the height of hypocrisy to demonize someone for being "illegal" and than break the law in how you handle the "illegals". SCOTUS ruled in Plyler v Dough that Constitutional protection is afforded to persons, regardless of immigration status. This means you shell out ...

$12,500(11,000,000) = $137,500,000,000

In order to abide by due process, or we come up with a better solution.

The only reason this issue comes up at all is because it hits home with the unwashed masses. Of course it's not your fault your life isn't all peaches and sunshine, it's those pesky Mexicans. Politicians love this issue because they can fire up the "I Hate (insert minority here)" crowd, and at the same time know they'll NEVER have to do anything about this. Why??? Because their big money owners don't want them to.

Indie,

Don't forget, he's going to round up all the rich, white, evangelical men, herd them into airplanes and push them out over Christian churches, effectively using them as bombs. Then he's going to force everyone left to drive hybrid cars and get gay married.

It's called baby boomers, they are old and sick now, and they are collecting the government benefits they paid all their working life for and some that they did not. It will get worse by the year as they start retiring in droves now. If you cut their SS and medicare and medicaid you will further decimate the middle class families that they will be more dependent on. Paul Ryan can cut their benefits and pretend they don't exist but that does not remove them or their expenses from the planet.

TIGGLE:

I can answer your question! The economy has not rebounded because we have reduced ourselves to being a consumer Nation! Without producing there aren't any JOBS for a large portion of our economy! For ALMOST every person who is unemployed in this country there are one or more people EMPLOYED in some other country!

For all those people getting Government assistance in this country there are people working for a living in some other country!

So basically logic your answer is "I can't explain that but hey, let me make up a a bunch of what if's and lace it with talking points" and hope you will buy it.

Well actually Shellie I did explain it as best I could in a limited amount of space. I find it funny youcall it "talking points" since Republicans blame Obama policy, Democrats blame Republican obstructionism, and the actual investors are the ones who say it is the uncertainty. Damn them investors and their talking points!

Since your so smart and find my post is so silly, please explain to everyone how raising the tax rate on earnings from investment HELPS spur more investment? Let me guess, rich people will quickly risk their riches in hopes to make money that the Government can then take, sounds like a winning strategy. I will hold my breath on your upcoming economics course for us all.

The only reason this issue comes up at all is because it hits home with the unwashed masses. Of course it's not your fault your life isn't all peaches and sunshine, it's those pesky Mexicans. Politicians love this issue because they can fire up the "I Hate (insert minority here)" crowd, and at the same time know they'll NEVER have to do anything about this. Why??? Because their big money owners don't want them to

You want health care, you want jobs, you want a better educational system? You are going to have to stop paying for another countries peoples. Liberals should be very interested in this issue. This is not about human rights, this is about making our system work. I would love to help the entire world out, just as we always have, but when we lose the means to do so, as we are now, everybody will lose.

Roughly 8 million of the 11 million "illegals" file taxes

Are you inferring that they pay taxes? Are you inferring there are only 11 million illegals in this country? How can these people file taxes without a SS card, and if they have one, how did they get it????? Identity theft??

No this is excluding the social security and medicare benefits of the elderly. However you do realize that these so called seniors and the benefits you are so worried about, they control 80% of the aggregate wealth in this country and if you read the CBO report on income inequality, a big driver is that social security and medicare use to be paid to the lowest quintile in 1970 and now only 47% of government assistance goes to lowest quintiles so we are taking money from the middle class younger workers to give to our wealthy seniors. And if you read Ryan's plan it didnt actually cut anything for anyone 50 and older and for younger people it gave more control over their healthcare decisions and how do you know its a cut using vouchers versus direct subsidies? Where is the research that would show that? So Forrest wrong on both counts on that one.

LogicRequired, the problem I have with the Buffet rule and D.C. in general is that they talk and treat all wealth the same. As if small business tax should be the same as corporate tax and personal tax should be the same as capital gains tax. Invested money fuels the economy, as long as its being reinvested I have no problem keeping it low, personal tax rates at 14% for Romney? That is the problem people have. We have to stop seeing solutions in such simplistic ways and start being smart about them. At this point I am not liking either party, but I like the republicans, their tone, their disdain for anything not white male and their arrogance in flagrant violations of the constitution less.

Skorned,

You are going to have to stop paying for another countries peoples.

And you are going to have to start reading the post before commenting. 8 million of those 11 million filed income taxes, they all pay into SS and Medicare, and they're disqualified from means tested assistance. That means they pay in to all those things.

Furthermore, SCOTUS has ruled that their "identity theft" isn't "theft", since they're not taking anything and there's no maliciousness to their actions. They mostly use the SSN's of friends/relatives who are deceased.

http://www.visalaw.com/01apr3/15apr301.html

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-11/politics/31323979_1_illegal-immigrants-undocumented-immigrants-illegal-workers

And MSNBC this is a Romney problem with women, if he is going to be the president he will be the leader of the GOP, he shouldn't just arrogantly dismiss the fact that his counterparts in states will stop at nothing, violating the constitution, violating women to achieve their goals. The end doesn't justify the means and he stands there and dismisses those concerns, and said it doesn't exist.

Your wife being of ANY use to this society doesn't exist. She has maids and nannies taking care of her house and children while she does god knows what. No women identifies with that but other spoiled rich bratty women.

And you are going to have to start reading the post before commenting. 8 million of those 11 million filed income taxes, they all pay into SS and Medicare, and they're disqualified from means tested assistance. That means they pay in to all those things

And you are going to have to start reading what I say....how did they get a SS number?

They mostly use the SSN's of friends/relatives who are deceased.

Lol, this is acceptable to you? What the hell is wrong with you libs?

So Sarah should we even have a border? I mean if illegals aren't a burden we can just let everyone in at any time without any real rules correct? Make it to our shore and your a citizen?

Yes it's fun to call those who think our laws mean something evil, I mean lets not change our laws or anything, lets just continue to ignore the fact they are being broken and anyone who isn't for that is obviouslymean and stupid. Why should we fix our immigration policy when we can continue to exploit illegals in the name of compassion. Why protect our Borders (like every other country in the world) when we can turn a blind eye to the criminal activity that takes place. (Human / drug smuggling, kidnappings, criminals escaping justice.) Sit on your high hoarse of enlightenment while corporations profit from "undocumented" workers, politicians gain power by making promises to many while taking from a few, and those from Eastern Europe, Asia, the Middle East can continue to wait in line for a chance to come to this country while illegals continue to cut in line taking their opportunity.

Skorned,

Go read my second post again.

@ Sarah, I just told my conservative republican buddy what you said about Obama's plan and he said OK I will get gay married, but no way I'll ever drive a hybrid!

Logic, unless your a native American, we all stem from illegals. At what point do we let them stay because they have been here for so long. I just think sending someone to another country that was brought here illegally when they were a small child is cruel, there are no good answers to the immigration problem. However I do lean probably more right on this issue, we simply can't take everyone in that wants to be here.

Sarah, that is just impossible that 8 million illegal immigrants filed tax returns. So that means 8 million filed under a fake social security number and paid federal income taxes? That also means that these same illegal aliens were making over $50k or more a year to even owe any income taxes. You must mean that 8 million had payroll taxes withheld from their paychecks and probably with no means to recover any refunds. I would hope that no one disputes that illegal aliens help support in some absolute dollar number the federal, local and state governments where they live because I am sure they pay sales tax and gas taxes too. I also doubt you are arguing that somehow the cost to government in terms of education, medical care, criminal behavior and government assistance let alone depressing wages of other unskilled US citizens and helping eliminate the need for unions in low skilled jobs isnt far more than they pay back in. The big issue besides closing the border is how to move them into a path of citizenship, not trying to justify their cost to the system.

When you have an issue so close like immigration is to latinos, Romney shot himself in the head for so boldly and emphatically taking the tea party I am a complete a**hole, shoot them and send their bodies back attitude. Romney was bound to have problems running for president, especially in this day and age, etch a sketch doesn't really work so well. Latino's remember and women remember and we will be voting.

Logic,

So Sarah should we even have a border? I mean if illegals aren't a burden we can just let everyone in at any time without any real rules correct? Make it to our shore and your a citizen?

No, I think we should do something that makes sense. Does spending...

$12,500(11,000,000) = $137,500,000,000

To deport a group of people that pay taxes, work hard, and are merely searching for opportunity make sense to you??? It doesn't to me. How about fixing immigration in general? Making it easier to receive and renew green cards and work visa's? Not limiting to people who don't really need to come here anyway?

Then we focus enforcement on the ACTUAL criminals.

Skorned,

It would be more acceptable to figure out a way to reform immigration so they don't have to do that, but no I don't have a problem with it. They're not hurting me, they're paying taxes, yada, yada, yada...

Why isn't it acceptable to you?

Forest,

Lol, figures.

Get serious Kirk if it is not a cut what is the point, to give people more options!, tell me you don't really believe that, tell me you are not that naive, of course it is a cut, even Paul Ryan does not go as far as to deny that. Tell me you don't believe that the majority of the population that is getting older and retiring are mostly "wealthy seniors". I'm done with this for now I need to go produce some material I can get get paid for.

Any one who does not understand that Rev "Big" Al Sharpton is a raging bigoted anti semite, doesn't have a brain....

1988 Tawana Brawley fraud, he was sued for defamation along with Tawana and her attorneys (one of which was suspended indefinately by the NY state appellate court) They all lost. (Johnnie Cochrane of OJ murder trial fame and democrat supporters paid his portion of the award)

1991 Crown Heights murder

1995 Freddy's Fashion Mart Massacre, where blacks entered the store told all the blacks to leave, then torched the store killing the white people they trapped inside. (they claimed they were acting on the statements made at one of Sharpton's demonstrations)

Case closed...

I would rather have Mitt stand firm on enforcement of immigration policy than pander to the the illegals who feel it is there right to just drop in and make themselves at home here, thats Obamas way of doing things. If people want to immigrate here, fine, I'm all for it so long as they go through the proper procedures to become citizens. Everyone else stay away!

As for the poll being touted in 1.000, who cares what the numbers are today. I would put little faith in any poll that has either candidate leading now. The only poll that matters will be on 11/6/12. Unless gas is south of $3 and unemployment in the 7's, Obama will have a tough time convincing real voters that the fake republican war on women is more pressing the the real issues of high unemployment, high energy, and a stagnant economy, but Obama can't run on his record.

Beverly in Chicago

Turn off FOX's KKKanity President Obama was vetted already in the 2008. That is the problem with RWNJS you live in the past. You people are sick in the head.

A great suggestion from someone who promotes racism and bigotry as her comments indicate:

Beverly in Chicago

Didn't you know The Catholic Church invented nuns and alter boys for the express purpose of raping them?

A little known fact about the Catholic Church is that it's written down in the Vatican that the Catholic Church intends to take over the US and burn all non-Catholics at the stake before Sharia Law comes to America. :)

Forrest Grump

I just told my conservative republican buddy what you said about Obama's plan and he said OK I will get gay married, but no way I'll ever drive a hybrid!

You joke... but as a straight man I actually told my gf that I would prefer to get "gay married" to her, over the traditional marriage. Why?

Because "gay marriage" is still illegal... so we would have the little commitment ceremony, without the government document that would require me to (1) give up half of my assets and everything I own, upon dissolution of contract. (2) Pay monthly alimony checks to the other person, upon dissolution of contract. (3) Place my home and assets at risk, if the other person in the contract falls into bankruptcy or default.

Basically, any straight male that has known someone who lost a house, their retirement, or is making alimony payments to an ex... should love this idea.

Logic, unless your a native American, we all stem from illegals.

Umm, not true, we may all be immigrants, but not illegal. My ancestors, like many others, came here on a boat and were made to register. (see godfather II for a crude example of how it worked.) Sneaking accross the boarder at night is not at all what most did to get here.

"We have to get Hispanic voters to vote for our party," Romney said, observing that polls show Latinos breaking in huge percentages for President Obama "spells doom for us."

Doom-da-doom-doom

Doom-da-doom-doom DOOM!!!

Wave goodbye, Mittens. :)

Sarah-3043284:

I agree with you! Let's see... There are about 7 BILLION people on this planet, most of whom live a lifestyle that makes OUR POOR look rich!

Let's just let any of them who seek a better life (move up to the lifestyle of our poor) come in and settle down!

Just, exactly, where are you planning on putting them? Are you going to open YOUR house to them? It will only take a couple of generations until we are India/China with everyone here living the life THOSE PEOPLE CAME FROM!

They can move into our forests and cut down the trees for shelter and fire wood! That worked REAL WELL for Europe! Or, we can cut down our forests and build them houses on our FARM LAND that FEEDS us!

We regulate WHO we let into our country in the BEST INTEREST of OUR COUNTRY! We can, and do, let some of the downtrodden into the USA but we don't expect them to be much of an asset! The vast majority that we invite in are people with SKILLS that are needed to make and keep OUR economy strong and vibrant!

So, NO, I don't agree with you! We CANNOT be the home for the 6-7 BILLION poor people of the world!

To deport a group of people that pay taxes, work hard, and are merely searching for opportunity make sense to you???

Although SOME fit this describtion many do not, besides I am not calling for the deportation of all illegals, I am calling for a secure border so that we can better deal with immigration legaly and fairly. Our jails are filled with illegals, can we deport them, is that a cost? I don't think our current system is fair to the tax payer or the immigrant so everyone loses. Secure the border and you would have no problem passing some kind of pathway to citizenship. The only reason it is opposed now is because we all know we will be in the same situation 5 years from now because the tide of illegals isn't being stopped.

Umm, not true, we may all be immigrants, but not illegal. My ancestors, like many others, came here on a boat and were made to register. (see godfather II for a crude example of how it worked.) Sneaking accross the boarder at night is not at all what most did to get here.

I don't have to watch it, I'm the grand daughter of the "Godfather", and the only reason they didn't have to sneak in, is because we had rational/workable immigration. Otherwise, they would have.

P.S. I'll let you all know where Hoffa's body is just as soon as he gives his death bed confession.

Logic,

Our jails are filled with illegals, can we deport them, is that a cost?

Although SOME fit this describtion many do not,

Sources???

I don't think our current system is fair to the tax payer or the immigrant so everyone loses

The immigrant is the tax payer. It's no more unfair to you then it is for citizens to cheat on their taxes, or loopholes to be given, or anything else. Your taxes would remain where they're at, there'd be less paying them, and they'd be going to bombing kids instead of feeding them. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE.

Secure the border and you would have no problem passing some kind of pathway to citizenship

This would be much easier to do, if we reform immigration first. Then the only folks who were sneaking through the desert at night, would be the bad guys, not the desperate ones.

Skorned,

It would be more acceptable to figure out a way to reform immigration so they don't have to do that, but no I don't have a problem with it. They're not hurting me, they're paying taxes, yada, yada, yada...

Why isn't it acceptable to you?

So they dont have to do that? What planet are we on? Is this bizarro world? They arnt hurting you? If you are a tax payer, or a construction worker, you wouldnt be saying that. They are paying taxes...payroll taxes u mean? The ones that employers pay double on now that we have reformed it...with illegal deceased SS cards, and this is acceptable to you? Why isnt it acceptable to me....because I believe in sovereignty, and taking care of our own

I don't have to watch it, I'm the grand daughter of the "Godfather", and the only reason they didn't have to sneak in, is because we had rational/workable immigration. Otherwise, they would have.

Daughter of the godfather, no wonder laws don't mean much to you. :)

The only reason our laws were more "rational/workable" is because we had a lot less people, a lot more land, and depending on the exact timing the civil war needed volunteers. I think we both agree immigration reform is needed.

Gawd, this 'presidental' campaign trivia is so distracting. Everyone knew that Romney would be the Republican candidate a year ago. Everyone knew that Obama would win reelection a year ago.

The 2012 election will be about 1) moving the TEA Party to obscurity (where it belongs) 2) retaining Republican control of the House (with no supporting record of accomplishment) and 3) regaining Republican control of the Senate (using Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi as bogeymen). The Republicans are going to need every gerrymandered vote they can get to accomplish these three goals.

Republicans have given up on the White House - they are just hoping that Romney does not kill their chances in Congress.

I will add: It isn't the fault of OUR COUNTRY that unwelcome people brought THEIR children into OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY! It may not seem the "friendly thing to do", to deport them, but where do you draw the LINE? It IS the ONLY FAIR thing to do for OUR CITIZENS!

Skorned,

They pay in as much as you, but they don't collect. Do you have any level of reading comprehension???

http://www.visalaw.com/01apr3/15apr301.html

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-11/politics/31323979_1_illegal-immigrants-undocumented-immigrants-illegal-workers

What does how we reformed the payroll tax have to do with this? Undocumented workers still pay in and still don't collect. You just want to feed your little ego, feel superior and blame someone for the suckfest that is your life.

Get over it.

Sh**, if you all want to deport a bunch of brown people so much, I suggest you start with the cast of the Jersey Shore.

Sarah-3043284

Skorned,

They pay in as much as you, but they don't collect. Do you have any level of reading comprehension???

May this be an example of where the American left is taking us...

What does how we reformed the payroll tax have to do with this? Undocumented workers still pay in and still don't collect. You just want to feed your little ego, feel superior and blame someone for the suckfest that is your life.

Get over it.

Wow, is all I have to say....WOW. BTW lady, personal attacks are not allowed on the Vine...

IndieParty - Love to rail much? I suppose you failed to read my #4. Typical... read and glean what you want, formulate your remarks without taking all of mine into account. Suggestion for you... go back and find #4. Pour some water on your jets and calm yourself down. One word I know you failed to read... OPINION. My opinion is just that, my opinion. It does tickle me to see how reactionary you became over my opinion. I didn't realize it had so much power... I'll have to practice my opinion much more...

As far as your money goes... you might want to keep it... invest it in silver... when the weight of the national debt falls all around you and the dollar becomes worthless, at least you will have been given some good advice... silver will retain value and worth and you won't be penniless. They even produce silver bullion that breaks into 4 equal portions so you can have some change... You might want to check it out.

We are in an election year... things aren't going to get that bad just yet... after the election, all bets are off. Talk to me in December. If I am wrong, ridicule me... in fact I'll ridicule myself... doing so prematurely might backfire on you...

Hold it....... Do the rest of the liberals on this blog think its perfectly Ok for people to "steal" and use Social security numbers. Just because.......what other choice do they have. Does that mean that I can rob you because Im hungry and really what other choice do I have?

The immigrant is the tax payer.

Sarah you do understand that 50% of the Country pay NOTHING when it comes to income tax. Illegals often because of their ILLEGAL status have low paying jobs and the amount of of taxes they pay in compared with the amount of Government assistance they take out is not equal.

Sources???

I don't know where you live by why don't you drive to the nearest City and asked the police about gang violence and what percentage of those gang members are illegal.

The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108000 were in California.

Try googling Illegal Immigration statistics.

http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/

Jolly,

Well, yeah, since SCOTUS ruled they AREN'T stealing, I'm willing to go with you're just purposely skewing crap and grasping at straws. I may not be a big fan of the court right now, but I'm willing to bet they're more legally sound in their reasoning then you.

Skorned,

Personal attacks, no, they aren't allowed. The truth however is.

Logic,

Your source is a right-wing blog.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1190/portrait-unauthorized-immigrants-states

Skorned,

Personal attacks, no, they aren't allowed. The truth however is.

...and you violated both

They pay in as much as you, but they don't collect

Are you kidding, of course they collect.

1,400,000- The number of illegal immigrant households that use at least one major welfare program. (food stamps, WIC, school lunch, Medicaid, TANF, SSI, and public/rent-subsidized housing)

Sh**, if you all want to deport a bunch of brown people so much, I suggest you start with the cast of the Jersey Shore.

Please save us the racist card, I would deport any Europena illegal just as easly. Also I am all on board deporting the Jersey Shore cast illegal or not.

NOW, please show me your sources that they pay taxes but don't collect any benefits!

Logic,

I've already posted at least three links. Click on them. Further, they are disqualified under 1996 Welfare Reform from receiving means tested assistance. AND, they PAY taxes, so whatever they collect, receive, use, get educated with, yada yada yada, they're also paying into.

Skorned,

Me thinks I hit a little too close to home.

I was watching the debate and vote on the hunting and fishing bill on cspan this morning. The republicans are up in arms because the democrats called them out on several bills they attached to the hunting and fishing bill. Two of which would wipe out medicare and the other to limit social security. When asked questions about the attached bills that would pass automatically and move forward if the hunting and fishing bill were passed, the republicans chose not to even address the bills they attached to the hunting and fishing measure. What they will say once the bill is voted down is that this is more proof the liberals and the President are trying to limit gun rights.

Skorned,

Me thinks I hit a little too close to home.

In what way?

they are disqualified under 1996 Welfare Reform from receiving means tested assistance

Sarah I looked at your links (pew, ect..) and none of them estimated costs. You are assuming that these people who break the law to get here, break the law to work, don't break any laws or work the system to get benefits? Been in an emergency room lately? Who do think pays for all those people in the emergency room who don't have insurance and are ILLEGAL. If letting uneducated, non english speaking people come into our country with no back ground check is so good for the economy why aren't more countries trying it?

. If letting uneducated, non english speaking people come into our country with no back ground check is so good for the economy why aren't more countries trying it?

She is just playing games, she knows it is not good for us. Perhaps her desire to take care of others overrides her logic of the situation, and that is fine. People think differently, I just hope there are enough logical people left in this country to realize what is happening to us.

If letting uneducated, non english speaking people come into our country with no back ground check is so good for the economy why aren't more countries trying it?

We're the only ones that provide the American Dream and are close. Furthermore, all these complaints you have can be applied to citizen's too, why aren't we so vitriolic about that? Finally, that is exactly what made this country great.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/6/1700.full

You are assuming that these people who break the law to get here, break the law to work, don't break any laws or work the system to get benefits?

We break laws too. All sorts of them. I'm assuming that one group of people is neither inherently worse or better than another. "Breaking the law" to get here, isn't the same as breaking the law in general. I break the law to get to work everyday, I speed. Does that make me more likely to break a different law?

Finally, undocumented workers are the LEAST likely to seek medical attention, because they're afraid of deportation.

Sarah, Feisty Bryan, etc. Isn't it frustrating to try to use any kind of logic or fact when you are dealing with the Conservative nonsense spewed by Brian, 123, etc. Too bad they can't go on FOX and post there - They could then have one, big, happy circle jerk. It always amuses me that they hate MSNBC and the liberal media so much but they continue to post here.

Forrest--of course I dont believe in absolutes but isnt that how the Obama campaigning on this site works? Paint all facts or solutions as absolutes. For example, Romney wants to cut government spending--translated by the Davids, Jodys, Beverlys of the world as Romney hates women, children and old people. Sorry my short rant. No, I dont believe all seniors are wealthy but avoiding the fact that in the aggregate we are making a huge wealth transfer from our working poor, middle class and upper middle class to our wealthy seniors in the aggregate to pay for social security and medicare is not accurate either. We cant avoid that issue and we need to determine how we are going to address that issue. Its an inconvenient fact in the Obama campaign dialogue and class warfare rhetoric.

As for Ryan, I have no idea if it has merit or would work and dont know enough about it to advocate or not advocate it, but the idea that it is dismissed out of hand just because it comes from a GOP candidate or act like the GOP hasnt come up with ideas to address these issues is just plain wrong. That would be like me immediately dismissing anything that comes out of a the democratic party just because I dont support Obama. I dont believe either party has a monoply on good or bad ideas that would just be ignorant right?

We're the only ones that provide the American Dream and are close. Furthermore, all these complaints you have can be applied to citizen's too, why aren't we so vitriolic about that? Finally, that is exactly what made this country great.

Sarah, it is not our job to provide the American dream to the rest of the world, just to present the opportunity to realize it for our own citizens. Yes, we have citizens that use our social services...they are OUR citizens!!!!! Why cant you see that distinction?

So then I can just start using my dead grandfathers SSN and perhaps collect benefits since he was a Guadalcanal survivor/hero and received a silver star 3 purple hearts. I mean I only have one purple heart.....I would love three more.

http://www.cis.org/IdentityTheft

Jolly,

Go reread and click on the links. They use the numbers, but don't collect. The IRS assigns ITIN numbers, regardless and the money goes into earning suspense accounts. Why is this so hard to understand???

Skorned,

Because our citizens aren't anymore deserving. If you're here, paying taxes, and working, then you're okay in my book. And, as the grand daughter of uneducated, non-english speaking folks, I say...

Facci I Minchia!

Brianb

Love to rail much?

Rail? You think THAT was railing? LOL. Ahhhh you poor, over-sensitive, little pundit.

No buddy, that was not railing on you. It was simply taking your "Obama will bring about the end-of-times", the sky is falling, our country will be completely destroyed, Newt-style predictions... and making fun of how utterly ridiculous they are.

You see, when people make fun of the conspiracy theory, tin-foil hat crowd, it's not "railing" on them. Mocking, laughing, finding humor in the fact that their life is enveloped by a fear-based fantasy world... sure. "Railing" not so much.

As for my little bet... that is just a simple way to see how serious people are with their beliefs. It gives me insight into how deep your convictions REALLY are. Anyone can talk big, but when it comes to putting your money where your mouth is, we see where people really stand. And like every other Republican, Fox News parrot... you talk a big game, but are too afraid to back it up.

So now, we ALL see where you are REALLY coming from. You will come on here, every day, yelling about Obama bringing Armageddon. But you run away when challenged to put your money where your mouth is. Apparently your convictions are not as deep as you would have us believe. You have shown us that, deep down, you know that your "Obama will destroy us" prediction is pure bull-s***

Jolly,

I would love ONE from you that isn't partisan. Read up on the history of CIS. Do you honestly think I'm going to accept CIS as a valid source. It's whole mission is to screw immigrants.

Skorned,

Because our citizens aren't anymore deserving. If you're here, paying taxes, and working, then you're okay in my book. And, as the grand daughter of uneducated, non-english speaking folks, I say...

What do you mean our citizens arnt any more deserving? I sure hope most Democrats dont think this way. This is concerning to me

Thank you Brianb-999431 for pointing out that your comments are merely opinions, even if they are wrong. Everyone should take note that all posts are just opinions.

Back to the topic at hand, it is very evident that Romney will say or do anything to get a vote. Any verbiage coming out of his mouth is for the sole intent to get a vote.

Americans know they can vote for Obama or vote for Obama-lite. Although I've seen few conservatives mention that fact, it must really eat at them having the GOP establishment pick a candidate as close to Obama's views as possible. The only difference between the two is Romney's for it/against it rhetoric.

Then, we have the issues mentioned in the article. Latinos are fast becoming a major player in our country. Women have always made or broke candidates since they were allowed to vote (no thanks to republicans). Romney has neither one's support.

An issue not mentioned is Romney's message. After months of campaigning and debates, we still don't know what he is actually running on. Planned Parenthood gone? HUD gone? For or against the Blunt Bill?

But, I give conservatives credit for tolerating Romney as a contender and backing him, knowing their votes didn't matter.

Too bad they can't go on FOX and post there -

*waves to kimH*

Fox has shut down allowing comments - which would explain the flood of nitwits lurking around here lately! ☺

Feisty - I know, isn't it sad they can't post on the "Mother Ship". Some of these people are even too crazy to post on FOX - I know that is hard to believe.

Feisty - I know, isn't it sad they can't post on the "Mother Ship". Some of these people are even too crazy to post on FOX - I know that is hard to believe

I suspect we come here because we enjoy debate. I also suspect that most of the conservatives that post here do not need peer acceptance in order to feel comfortable...In fact, they may thrive on the adversity.

I suspect we come here because we enjoy debate

I like how Sarah and other liberals here will post sources and studies to support their views... and conservatives can only "debate" with the opinions they heard on Hannity.

Can't say I am surprised, facts and data have never been a conservative strong suit. Like when they wanted to debate global warming, and the Koch brothers pumped millions into a study to dis-prove global warming. And what happens, the study to dis-prove it comes back with PROOF that global warming is real. So do conservatives accept the results of THEIR study? Nope... back to bull-s*** opinions with no actual data to back them up.

I like how Sarah and other liberals here will post sources and studies to support their views... and conservatives can only "debate" with the opinions they heard on Hannity.

We all have the web at our disposal to pull up talking point numbers and stats...I could find a quote on O'bama care cost estimates at 900 billion for example, but that number would be completely wrong. If you are impressed by these things, than be all means, feel superior haha.

I pull things from the web very rarely, I prefer a more ideological discussion.

Can't say I am surprised, facts and data have never been a conservative strong suit

Facts and data are so subjective....go ahead and throw out a topic with your facts and data, and I will counter with some other facts and data that I find...Go ahead, I will indulge you Indie

Skorned

Ahhhh yes... the typical "everyone else in the world is wrong and we are the only one's who are right" Fox News response.

I know... EVERY SINGLE STUDY is wrong, unless it's a conservative study. Sure, multiple organizations come to the same conclusion, across multiple countries ... and they are ALL wrong. Only YOU and your network are right.

Take global warming... thousands of organizations across multiple countries have confirmed it, your own President (Bush) confirmed it and changed the name so that conservatives voters would understand. Then your own team funds a study to dis-prove it and found it to be real. ALL of those people agree... and they are ALL wrong, even the guys on your own team. Yup, only you and Fox News have the right answer... EVERYONE ELSE is wrong.

We are all well aware of this Fox News debate tactic: When presented with facts, brush them off as wrong and continue to repeat your OPINION.

Ahhhh yes... the typical "everyone else in the world is wrong and we are the only one's who are right" Fox News response.

hehe, this is how everyone acts when they make an argument. Take the blinders off.

I know... EVERY SINGLE STUDY is wrong, unless it's a conservative study. Sure, multiple organizations come to the same conclusion, across multiple countries ... and they are ALL wrong. Only YOU and your network are right.

Studies of all types can be wrong hehe. I dont have a network btw...you are giving me way too much credit!

Take global warming... thousands of organizations across multiple countries have confirmed it, your own President (Bush) confirmed it and changed the name so that conservatives voters would understand. Then your own team funds a study to dis-prove it and found it to be real. ALL of those people agree... and they are ALL wrong, even the guys on your own team. Yup, only you and Fox News have the right answer... EVERYONE ELSE is wrong.

Millions of people across all countries believe in a God as well, dont make it true pal. Its called theory

We are all well aware of this Fox News debate tactic: When presented with facts, brush them off as wrong and continue to repeat your OPINION

There is that word "facts" again! I think my previous point about "facts" still holds water!

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

It should be interesting to see your comments if Romney beats Obama in November.

"What happened? How can that be? That's impossible."

CNN has Obama up by about 9%, Rasmussen has Romney up by about 2%.

I wonder who has the best track record? Hint - It's not CNN. In fact, Rasmussen called the 2008 election better than all of the others, and was almost exactly correct.

But frankly, polls are meaningless at this point, because Romney is largely an unknown to most voters - that will change as the election nears.

@ROY WILSON-336103 --

But frankly, polls are meaningless at this point, because Romney is largely an unknown to most voters - that will change as the election nears.

emphasis added ...

Or not.

Romney has been campaigning pretty hard since last summer. It appears that the Romney strategy is to AVOID letting the voting public know who he really is. Romney's campaign, so far, appears to be based on Anybody But Obama. The polling data, even at this early stage, suggests that the market for Anybody But Obama is not as large as hoped.

A change is needed... Not sure what difference Romney can make, but at least he has business experience and knows how to read an economic chart. The only thing Obama knows how to read is the teleprompter and he's force fed words to say. Ummmm, Ahhhhh.... Let me make this perfectly clear. Obama is by far, outgunned and out manned. Liberal polls will tell their story, but they never take into account reality... they feed the masses of useless idiots exactly what they want them to eat.

Actually, Romney doesn't seem to know how to read an economic chart. In 2001 and 2003, President George W. Bush signed a roughly $4 trillion tax cut for American taxpayers. In that decade, from 2000 to 2010, America had a net job growth of approximately 0.0 jobs. Why??? We became an economy based on indebtedness, check http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/01/AR2010010101196_2.html?hpid=topnews. We borrowed money and funneled it into the housing market instead of in industry. The Bush tax cuts didn't help AT ALL. In fact, if you check the Tax Policy center, they made things worse for small businesses by increasing interest rates thanks to large deficits. In short, the Bush tax cuts did squat. And what does Romney propose??? Bush tax cuts 2.0, with the Ryan budget. Cut education; cut Medicaid, cut Medicare; pretty much eliminate much of the safety net for the poor. I admit that the federal budget (entitlements included) need reform, but we don't need to privatize them. We simply need to reduce outlays and raise revenues. Simple as that.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

The reason the economy hasn't rebounded even though capital gains taxes remain so low is because of uncertainty. The ADA is looming. The chance of Obama being re-elected is also a major problem. If he gets a second term, he will finally emerge from campaign mode and the real Obama will come forth. He plans on taxing us to death... although the liberals will argue with me, all indicators point to the fact that he will do everything in his power to raise taxes across the board. We shall see if the real Obama emerges. I give it about a 95% chance taxes will go through the roof. It will be one of the last nails in the coffin of destroying this country. The GDP will fall to record lows, inflation and interest rates will climb towards the sky and we will be facing economic collapse... everything Obama wants.

How far will taxes go "through the roof????" This is the same bull@!$%# that everybody plays whenever an incumbent is trying to be re-elected. They did it for Bill Clinton, they did it for George Bush, and they're doing it now for Obama. What happened???? Bill Clinton didn't go socialist, even before Congress went Republican. George Bush stayed the same, idiotic and stupid, yet his policies were barely any different.

FWI, Obama made a promise that he would raise taxes ONLY on those who made over $250,000. Nowadays, people don't really trust what politicians promises, but they can hold them accountable even after elections through Congress. You need a willing Congress to implement your policies. Obama could be sidelined in a second term if Congress becomes Republican in 2014. And raising taxes via capital gains might not derail the economy, as chances are it will go to approximately 24% if Obama gets his way. GDP probably will maintain steady because of added stimulus (assuming Obama's Jobs Act gets passed), inflation probably won't go insane, and our economy will most likely NOT go insane.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Sequel (to make the Liberal heads spin):

• "Mr. Obama's Immigration Reform FAILURE."

Just another voter block thrown under the bus. The street is getting littered with voter groups.

Anybody but Obama 2012, and that could even be either Bill Maher, Hilary Rosen, or Ed Shultz (Liberal spokespersons).

Feisty Redhead Roselle, ILRestored

In memorandum of Seamus the Irish Setter;

DIANE SAWYER:You said it was the most wounding thing in the campaign --

ANN ROMNEY:It's crazy.

DIANE SAWYER: -- so far.

ANN ROMNEY: The dog loved it. The dog was, like --

DIANE SAWYER: But the dog got sick, right?

ANN ROMNEY: Once, he -- we traveled all the time and he -- he ate the turkey on the
counter. I mean, he had the runs. But -- he would see that crate and, you know,
he would, like, go crazy because he was going with us on vacation. It was to me
a kinder thing to bring him along than to leave him in the kennel for t -- in
-- in -- in a kennel for two weeks, so.

Wrong again Ann – the kinder thing to do would have been to put the dog in the car…

And if the car wasn’t big enough, it wasn’t like you & Willard couldn’t of purchased one that could accommodate the entire family which includes your PETS!

Good Gawd!

These two can build elevators for their autos, but can't comprehend basic compassion for their pets!

Excellent post, Feisty!

Americans should see how callous and cold-hearted these gilded folks are.

The Romney's are not even capable of showing compassion for their family pet.

In the White House, the elite would become even more hard hearted.

Under a Romney administration, the majority population suffer and die.

Michelle Obama would not think that strapping a family's pet on top of a moving car is safe and funny.

The choice is clear, vote for Obama in November 2012.

The Romney's...two clueless people.

You have to be easy on the Romneys. Quite frankly, they actually are the very, very best the republicans have to offer. Now to really show the women voters that republicans are really working for them, Mr. Romney will come forward with Michelle Bachman by his side as his running mate.

where are the Green jobs Obama promised? He has completely stopped talking about green jobs, all those companies got tax payer loan money are bankrupt!, For few days he kept talking about Chevy Volt. Now chevy has reduced/stopped production of volts, well short of projections. Everything Obama had promised has either failed miserably or not worked at all, because he has never done anything at this scale, only thing he is good at is campaining, empty hopes. Just listen to BO he always tells what majority wants to hear.

Where are the jobs the republicans promised the voters in 2010? Shouldn't have been to hard to keep the only promise they have made other than the one promise they made in 2008 and actually kept. That promise was to not do anything but obstruct Obama for their next four years and help to cripple the crippled economy they left for him to fix. They did keep that promise but they sure did fall on their faces with their promise they made in 2010.

God bless you, Sarah. I do so admire your patience, your persitence, and your use of FACTS and legitimate sources to make your points.

Especially in the face of such daunting oppostion. The purveyors of what Ronald Reagan decried as "anti-immigrant hysteria" rely on ignorance, prejudice, and propaganda to make their points.

Ignorance, as in what they think they 'know' turns out to be false:

* Unathorized immigrants pay taxes. According to the IRS, unauthorized immigrants pay in over 8 billion per year to Social Security ALONE, yet will never receive a penny in benefits in return.

* Unauthorized immigrants pay federal and state income tax by using Taxpayer Identification Numbers (TINs). You do NOT need a Social Security Number to pay taxes. Uncle Sam will take money from anyone.

* According to the Comptroller of the State of Texas, unauthorized immigrants also pay in more for taxes at the state level than the cost of services they receive and significantly ADD to economic output.

* Fake SSNs are not identify theft. The numbers are FAKE, get it? They are not someone ELSE's number, they are numbers that are made up. Using someone else's numbers causes problems. Using fake numbers hurts no one, per the Supreme Court.

* Unauthorized immigrants pay for their health care. The Rand Corporation has done the most comprehensive study of this issue. Those people using emergency rooms as clinics and then skipping out on the bill? They are US citizens, many of whom won't pay for medical insurance when they're healthy OR medical services when they need them. Immigrants are not only less likely to get sick (yes, they are healthier than their native born counterparts) they are also more likely to PAY for what they get than their native-born counterparts.

* Native born Americans commit serious crimes at FIVE TIMES the rate of immigrants. Read "The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Assimilation Paradox".

Why should we fix our immigration policy (?) Why protect our Borders (?)

A better question would be why NOT fix our immigration policy? Why NOT protect our border?

The easiest way to end unauthorized immigration is to authorize it.

Since 1986, our immigration rules allow immigration of a mere 5,000 low-skill laborers per year. During that same time period, American companies have hired an average of roughly 400,000 foreign born laborers per year, and provided them with the skills needed to be productive employees. Over the course of the past 25 years that amounts to 9.8 million productive employees OVER AND ABOVE the amount of the idiotic quota set by pinheaded social engineering politicians in 1986. There are 10.8 million unauthorized Americans. Gee whiz, I wonder what the economic reason for that is. They are not here for handouts, they are here for JOBS. And if a company will hire them, why not?

The immigrant work force EXPANDS the American economy. In Texas alone, unauthorized immigrants directly account for over $17 billion in production. That means lots of jobs for native born Americans as well, since all those immigrants turn around and spend their income on things like food, clothing, housing, education, entertainment, and, yes, TAXES. Factory workers means more production in America, and more jobs for accountants, managers, office personnel, etc. The number of JOBS is not static. Successful enterprises GROW the number of jobs. For EVERYONE. Raiding factories, shutting down businesses, ruins the economy, eliminates jobs for the native born as well as the immigrant, and sends the manufacturing base scurrying overseas. No one benefits except Communist China.

You can't have a secure border if American drug addicts are spending a hundred billion dollars a year to feed their habit. And refusing to allow in as many immigrants as our economy demands only strengthens the hand of the drug smugglers by creating a secondary market for them.

As for 'cutting in line', why should there even BE a line? The line helps no one. If a probationary period is advisable before someone is granted citizenship, fine. Figure out what that period should be and apply it equally. Five years for everyone or ten years for everyone. But six months for someone from Sweden and 35 years for someone from the Philipines (roughly what we have now) is not the American way, it's the ethnocentrist way.

Propaganda:

As in defining a human being (rather than an action) as 'illegal' and then asking, "what part of 'illegal' don't you understand? It was 'illegal' for Jews to hold jobs in Nazi Germany, after the 'law' was changed to make it 'illegal' for them to be citizens.

"Illegal" is the new n-word, and I will never use either of them to refer to one of God's creations, whether I have met that person or not. Partly, that is because of my Christian beliefs, but my atheist, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, and agnostic friends feel the same way. Partly it is because of my American heritage (try reading the Declaration of Independence), but my friends from Africa, Europe, Asia, Australia and elsewhere in North and South America agree. Partly it is because of my firm belief in free market economics, and my disdain for social engineering.

And then there's prejudice.

CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA, and almost all of the anti-immigrant lobbying groups have Nazi Party roots. CIS, FAIR, NumbersUSA and others were all founded by John Tanton, who has written openly of his desire to see the United States of America adopt the "genetics policies" of Adolph Hiter and the Third Reich. He thinks that immigration rules are the best place to 'begin'. He appeals to Republican politicians by pointing out that historically, more immigrants have voted for the Democratic Party than the Republican Party. In his words, he wants Republican politicians to think that "immigrant equals Democrat".

CIS and the rest are categorized as hate groups by the Southern Law Poverty Center and the Anti-Defamation League. CIS in particular was founded because John Tanton wanted a pseudo-scholarly group to crank out anti-immigration 'studies'. One of those 'studies' blames global warming on immigration (authorized or not) to the United States, and concludes that the best way to counter global warming is to end nearly all immigration (whether currently authorized or not).

Not that CIS or any of the others are bound by facts. CIS claims have been characterized as "either false or virtually without any supporting evidence." One CIS 'study' refers to another as the 'source' of it's information. Besides anti-immigrant bigotry, CIS is best known for fudging facts and making things up.

So it's not surprise that Arizona SB 1070 was written by non-Arizonan KKKurt KKKobach while working for one of the organizations founded by Nazi-admirer John Tanton, and then introduced to the Arizona Senate by Russell Pearce who campaigned arm-in-arm with neo-Nazi J. T. Ready.

Naziism in America? Yep.

And ALL of Mitt Romney's talking points on immigration, right down to the 'self-deport' crack, come straight from people with ties to Naziism and White Supremacy.

Mike-424215

You have to be easy on the Romneys. Quite frankly, they actually are the very, very best the republicans have to offer. Now to really show the women voters that republicans are really working for them, Mr. Romney will come forward with Michelle Bachman by his side as his running mate.

Mike,

That the Romneys are the best candidates that the GOP has to offer is what makes the deserved plight of the right wing so sad. The Romneys are "the best of the worse." If would be great if Mitt added Bachmenn to the Republican presidential ticket. Certainly, on the campaign trail and at the presidential debates, Bachmann will display her astounding base of knowledge.

In reality, there is little chance of Bachmann being selected as the Romney's vice president.

The American people need to stay informed and sane.

Obama does not need to "start packing."

The first lady is not the president.

However, Michelle Obama is a positive role model for women.

Ann...she cannot relate to the average American.

.

In a new CNN national poll (April 13-15, 2012)

Still trying to peddle this?

I thought I told you I only watch factual news not organizations that manufacture stories in order to push socialist agendas thank you

The smartest thing you have ever said.

Feisty,

that is eXactly the post I made a few weeks ago! We finally agree on something.

Feisty only repeats what she thinks she hears even when it makes her look dumb.

Feisty,

Could have, would have, should have, or could've, would've, should've. NOT could of, would of, should of. Plurals don't need apostrophes. You really should have paid more attention in third grade, instead of shaking down kids for their lunch money.

We finally agree on something.

There may be hope yet... my love... lol

Could have, would have, should have, or could've, would've, should've. NOT could of, would of, should of. Plurals don't need apostrophes. You really should have paid more attention in third grade, instead of shaking down kids for their lunch money. 

Uh, the 'of's are the invalid way. Just sayin'.

Source: http://grammartips.homestead.com/couldof.html

Or just Google "could of".

Look dumb?? I think she really is dumb!!

I spent a few minutes watching the debate and vote on passage of a fishing and hunting bill. Republicans are angry because the democrats won't vote with them to pass the new bill forward just because it contains attachments that get passed with the fishing and hunting bills if the bill is voted in favor of. The bill also contained several attached bills that would wipe out medicare and limit social security. Scumbags will try anything to attack the people. I can hear them now once the bill is voted down how the President is trying to take away gun rights.

I used to think it was just a one time event of the dog riding on the roof of the car, now I find out from Ann Romney that it was an ongoing pattern of abuse. Oh my!

I know Seamus is now in a better place.. riding inside a car with the wind in his face for eternity. I hope he finds better best friends there than Mitt and Ann Romney!

The smartest thing you have ever said.

Actually I prefer the "comment deleted by community" slogan which always appears on her posts...

How do you move back to center on immigration after running so hard to the right during the primary?

GEE! Another Willard Etch-A-Sketch moment!

Assinine!

VOTERS: DO NOT FALL FOR THIS GOP-TEA SALES PITCH IN NOVEMBER!!

Remember yesterday's Senate vote... "along party lines" and elect the party that works for YOU instead of the 1%.

Ron in Indiana... Best post you ever wrote!

And i see you BrianB managed to get a post in without calling someone a name or making assumptions on their intelligence. Good for you pal.

Another amnesty (#6 0r #7?) making millions of illegal aliens is really going to be a boon to our economy, and those millions legally here, and citizens that are unemployed! But those in office will make this "The Last One, and Secure The Border"!!! And as far as the illegal alien problem being a race issue, whose fault is it that over 80% of all the illegal aliens in our country are from Mexico, and countries south of it? Illegal aliens are hurting the legal immigrants (mostly hispanic) just as much as they're hurting citizens jobs, education, etc.

Brianb: Thanks for the shout out, but I'm not sure it made my top 5 list.

American Girl-724855

No need to argue over this, the message is very clear. Romney belongs to a tiny group of people who all have the same things in common: Nobody is accepted unless they are pure white male ONLY and they MUST be rich to be a member.

No women, no minorities, no poor people, not even any middle class people, and if he had a chance to run the country (which he won't) Romney would operate to the exclusion of ALL of us who do not fit in his "class".

Period.

Obama / Biden 2012

Hmmmmmm....sounds like you just described Obama as well....Oh wait....they are nearly identical!!!!

So basically to get the Latino vote, you have to support illegal immigration. Want to control our borders and have people come in legally, and you lose the Latino vote.

The longer this goes on, the more illegals there will be here, the more children of illegals that will become voting age, and the more politicians will have to give in to law breakers to get elected.

It is snowballing and we need to stop it now before it gets completely out of control and runs us all over.

@not as stupid as you think:

That's where the real rub is...no party works for us anymore.

Jim in Auburn

I wouldn't go so far as to say that. Yes, Latinos sympathize with their illegal companions, but it does not mean that they are against securing the border. They simply want it done with the condition that immigration to America will become easier, as to discourage illegal immigration.

DAVID WALKER," However, if you're honestly interested, which you aren't - you can go to a search block and type, "Romney job killer".
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2011/06/14/mitt-romney-job-killer/There were four business's pointed out in the article. Dade Behring, Stage Stories (I couldn't find any info on this one), American Pad and Paper, and GS Industries.
DADE BEHRING
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dade_Behring
In 2002 the company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, but then reorganized and recovered in a spectacular way. Brad Pattelli was on the board of directors and an influential figure in the reorganization. By 2005, the firm employed more than 6,000 workers and had operations in 43 countries to serve more than 25,000 medical customers.
AMERICAN PAD and PAPER

http://americaneedsmitt.com/blog/tag/american-pad-and-paper/
Looking back, we can now see that Ampad didn't go out of business, it simply changed ownership, and in the long run, it didn't lose 385 jobs, it gained about 3,500.
GS INDUSTRIES

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/06/us-campaign-romney-bailout-idUSTRE8050LL20120106
Some analysts say Bain should not be blamed for the company's failure, noting that a wave of cheap imports forced nearly half of the U.S. steel industry into bankruptcy during that period. Another company set up around the same time, in which Bain took a minority stake, Steel Dynamics in Fort Wayne, Indiana, thrived.
Looks like your research should be a bit more in-depth than your used to! Hope this helps you out in that area.
As far as the "mother" thing goes. Your opinion that because someone has had it tougher than another, that alone makes them a better anything is beyond the realm of reason!

On April 15^th Mitt Romney told a crowd at aprivate fundraiser that he would support a version of the DREAM Act.

During the primary, when he only needed to appeal to hard right Republican voters, Mitt Romney promised to veto the DREAM Act.

There is a simple fix to the Dream Act- one that would garner majority support across party lines.

Take OUT the college component, and leave in the military service component.

Voila! It passes.

Take OUT the college component, and leave in the military service component.

Because college is evil but the military is good, right?

[Voila! It passes.]

Not if proposed by Obama … Republicans will be 100% against it.

Uh, no, Noid, college is not bad, but most people object to footing the bill for other people's kids.

Military service benefits the nation as a whole, as well as the individual. It indicates a willingness to SERVE, rather than be served.

It indicates a strong desire to sacrifice for the benefit promised.

Get it now?

No?

Too bad. The majority of thinking people do get it.

Because college is evil but the military is good, right?

Those "snobs".

no joe,

Let me get this right: you are saying latinos are good enough to die for your rights, but not good enough to seek a better future through education?

As an American, I find that insulting. As a hispanic, I find disgusting.

The majority of Americans are opposed to any form of amnesty, label it "Dream Act" or whatever you want, or anything that acts as an incentive to more illegal immigration.

Military service benefits the nation as a whole, as well as the individual. It indicates a willingness to SERVE, rather than be served.

Oh, okay, I get it...college kids are all just looking for a free ride and will never contribute to society. I get the picture now. Thanks for clarifying.

JM..........I think college is great for anyone who pays their own way!! Help is fine but just NOT for illegals.

As an American, I find that insulting. As a hispanic, I find disgusting.

Hold on... she's just getting warmed up...

Having an educated society is what's best for this country. Making college accessible to all should be the goal.

In NJNB's world only the well off should attend college or a university.

So NoJoe says to an 18 year old person, who was brought to this country illegally when just a baby---go back to wherever you came from unless you are willing to risk your life in the military. That's the type of compassion I've come to expect from the Republicans. No offer of any hope unless you put your life in harm's way. And the Republicans will be happy to start another war for them to put their lives at risk.

Don't_carry..............I don't think that is what NJNB is saying. I think serving our country before reaping the benefits would be good for people looking to become citizens.

Steeler............if our citiizens can risk their life for our country I certainly don't think it is too much to ask from people wanting citizenship.

Hold on... she's just getting warmed up...

She?!?

JM 1992894.......That's 'our' nojo, full of 'logic' her style and hate. You are right to feel insulted and disgusted.

She?!?

Uh huh!

Real piece of work ain't she? lol

Uh, no, Noid, college is not bad, but most people object to footing the bill for other people's kids.

USA -- That's NJNB's statement, not mine.

I believe it was a whole sale comment, meaning that the US tax payers should not be paying for anyones college education. I only had one route as an 18 year old, my mother told me if you want to go to college you better have the GI bill to do it. As it turned out I used the GI for something I love to do .....Cook! My companies paid for my network certifications.

nojo has point and it isn't a hateful one if you people would get off your indignant asses and read it for what he means and not what you want it to mean.

Military service benefits the nation as a whole, as well as the individual. It indicates a willingness to SERVE, rather than be served.

Which makes me wonder, if the nut job from NJ feels so strongly about this, then WHY didn't her son ever serve a day?

Take OUT the college component, and leave in the military service component.

Because only by fighting and not becoming educated can they contribute.

Probably would pass, because all of the war mongers in BOTH parties never lack troops to feed this perpetual War on Terror. A war better suited to use intelligence and special strike forces in lieu of prolonged, misguided, boots on the ground police actions and quasi civil war interventions.

Dream act Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors turns into

Dream for war act - Deployment Reaction for Enrolling Alien Reservists.

Has anyone looked at the cost of attending a college or university lately? If out of state, the cost can run 50K + a year. In state, for a decent university the cost is roughly 25K. I know, I'm about finished with putting 2 kids through college. With very little help from the government. My guess is the majority of the people cannot afford to send their kids to college or willing to go into debt to do it. An educated young adult is an asset to society. Any tax dollars put toward the effort of educating these young adults is money well spent.

Don't..............I think we are pretty much on the same page. We put our 4 kids thru college with NO help from the gov't or anyone else. We are lucky that we could do so. This doesn't mean I am against helping anyone get an education, it means that I am against illegals getting help. I also think the path to citizenship could include some service to our great country that they want into so badly.

what can you expect from a country in which only 150 years ago, half of the country was pro slavery. it is the same way of thinking towards immigrants. they just want to use and abuse them without giving any, any kind of rights. republicans don't want to kick the illegal immigrants out because they don't want to do the hard jobs and on the other side they don't want to give them any rights, they want to use immigrants as slaves. all the other reasons are just politics and bs, its that simple.

i have heard it so many times americans say to someone with an accent "go back to where you came from" so its not if you are here legally or illegaly. what is the difference anyways? just a piece of paper. i know so many illegal people who deserve the legal papers 100 times more than some other legal immigrants or us citizens.

i don't know when this game against immigrants will end but i hope it doesn't go that long until we get another civil war.

Take OUT the college component, and leave in the military service component.

Okay. So, many of you don't know much about military service. In short, if ANY immigrant chose to serve, it would not only grant them citizenship, but pride in their country AND plenty of TA. As a member of AD Air Force, I get $4,500 worth of TA every FY AND I get the Montgomery GI Bill, which pays for college OUTSIDE of the military. Not sure how much, but it was upwards of $45,000 when I enllisted back in 2003.

So, military service is not that bad of an idea. Get a clue, people.

Actually what we need as a law right now, is NOT granting citizenship to anyone whose (both) parents are illegal immigrants when they are born. Right away, that would remove at least a third of illegal immigrants trying to get into the country. Another way is to enforce the borders. I know people don't want to admit it, but IT IS OBAMA'S JOB to do this.

I am all for educating young people. But it is unfair when students who would like to attend a college and aren't able to because all the aid is going towards funding illegals who are getting the same education at a much lower rate. Another thing, grants and scholarships don't generally care if the person is illegal or not, and so a majority of this money is being used on them as well.

I would have to agree with them performing military service. A majority of my relatives would join the military if it meant they could speed up their citizenship process( and some already have).

No Joe: "Military service benefits the nation as a whole, as well as the individual"

So does EDUCATION and it lasts a hellava lot longer than a couple years playing wargames. It lasts a lifetime and benefits us ALL (as well as future generations). Evolve.

Think about it. (emphasis on the word: "think")

Actually, no jo has a valid point, it is not about dying for your country, or if you are a latino, asian, cracker or black.

It is about the willingness to serve the country you wish to gain the benefits for being a citizen.

Didn't general patton once declare that it wasn't the responsibility of American soldiers to die for America but rather to have the opposing soldiers die for theirs?

Sorry yellowdog, I don't buy your argument for war, you make it sound like only those who seek citizenship will be the ones serving on the front line.

Ahhhhhh.......I hate to burst anyone's bubble on the road to immigration here,

but, as a member of the armed forces that has been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, I really, really, really do have a problem with having to rely on a bunch of Pakistanis or Afghans in my unit that want to become citizens. I mean, ya'll discuss this as if it only pertains to Mexicans.....

No offense to anyone, mind you, but, when the shooting starts I DO have some concerns over which way they point their weapons.....and I can't help but not liking the idea of their being right behind me, backing me up.

Just saying......I'm not so keen on letting illegals become citizens by having my back in combat.

Why would anyone want to put illegal invaders into our military & armed them, makes no sense. It is bad enough that our government puts weapons in the hands of cartels but to allow the access to our military this is worst then the feds & states aiding & abetting invaders & enemies of the US. No I am not just talking about the Latinios.

Unhappy - Actually what we need as a law right now, is NOT granting citizenship to anyone whose (both) parents are illegal immigrants when they are born.

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Unhappy, maybe the Roberts court can use judicial activism to try to rule that the 14th amendment should be repealed, replaced by your suggestion. Sarcasm off.

Amendment XIV -Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

American 205 - If nothing is done the problem will not go away. Only one part of the solution. Military service and education can both be used as ways to better yourself. However, both options and not one exclusively should be available.

Has anyone looked at the cost of attending a college or university lately? If out of state, the cost can run 50K + a year. In state, for a decent university the cost is roughly 25K

If you think education's expensive, try ignorance.

This latino went to college many many years ago and just paid in excess of $40K in taxes and have been for the last 25 years (maybe not always 40 but you get the picture). So who came out ahead?

* The right answer is we all did.

JM - So True. I think that we can safely assume that those who think military service is the only answer and education is too expensive are evidence of the ignorance component of your statement. Sad - they are probably older and don't care any more. I live in a County in Florida that is predominantly Republican and they consistently vote down any local ballot issue that helps education. Sad - perhaps they don't have grandchildren.

I'm going to throw in my $.02 cents worth here on the immigration issue. My significant other immigrated to this country 13 years ago from Russia. She did everything by the book to become a U.S. citizen...she learned the language...she filled out the necessary documentation... paid her fees...and waited. After seven long years she went through her citizenship indoctrination and became a citizen. This is the way it is supposed to be. Her opinion is that to offer any kind of amnesty or short cut to illegals is a slap in the face to people like her who did it the legal way. I have nothing against immigrants....if I did I would be a hypocrite. People who want to come here should bide by the legal process of the host country. No where else on earth (that I know of) handles immigration like the U.S. Most European countries insist that as a part of the immigration process, they need to have a working knowledge of the host language. Here, we print everything in Spanish. I think that is bullsh!t. I should not have to hear "que" when I order something in McDonalds. Not only is this insulting but it alienates other immigrants who speak neither English or Spanish. I apologize to latinos, but I vote for no free lunch here.

Nice avatar, GBM. Comme je trouve.

Uh, no, Noid, college is not bad, but most people object to footing the bill for other people's kids.

Military service benefits the nation as a whole, as well as the individual. It indicates a willingness to SERVE, rather than be served.

So does education. Giving some a college education enables them to create the next billion-dollar industry, or life-saving medicine, or any other innovative technique. I say keep the education component so we can get both defense AND innovation.

And by-the-way, military service DOES cost something. You rage against giving aid for an illegal immigrant to go to college or even live in this country, but you support paying and supplying them in order to fight. In case you haven't noticed, it cost tens of thousands of dollars to pay, equip, and care for soldiers. So we will pay both ways. Either support both components or none at all, but at least try not to keep a double standard.

Belfast Lad.......merci beaucoup, mon ami! Comme je trouve.

GBM..... Je vous en prie

So, the daily question: What did Mittsy lie about today?

Can anyone say "Right to Work?" This is Mitch Daniels model for America. Democrats don't diss "stay at home moms." If anything, they'd like to see an economy where a spouse does have the choice to stay at home or work part-time, because there should be plentiful jobs paying good wages. Romney's economics doesn't change that. He'll just have greeters at more doors at Wal-Mart.

Exactly, William. In Maine, the Republicans' idea of being "pro-business" was to try to lower the minimum wage for teenagers.

They took away cost of living raises for retired teachers, who are already retiring on an average income of $19,000 a year (and they do not draw social security, even if they paid into it.)

Of course, they lowered taxes for millionaires, even as they were cutting low income folks from Medicaid.

IR -- Great article and great commentary.

This trend is so disturbing. The republican party professes to be all about family values yet they are destroying the family unit with their policies. Right to Work laws will do nothing other than erode the middle class. Everyone will be forced to take on two jobs, leaving no time for family. Business will ultimately be harmed because people will be unable to purchase their products. Look for the number of Walmarts to double and pay-day loan sharks to proliferate. These type of republican policies will destroy this country. They are either too dumb to understand the consequences or evil. Take your pick.

Amy...lowering the minimum wage allows employers hiring part time people to afford more of them, which ends in more teenagers being hired. Raising the minimum wage has exactly the opposite effect.

It's simple economics 101.

Give 1000 people a job at $8.00 an hour or 1333 a job at $6.00 an hour. You pick which one makes you feel better.

Give 1000 people a job at $8.00 an hour or 1333 a job at $6.00 an hour. You pick which one makes you feel better.

But now look at it beyond teenagers, because many jobs are currently being taken by adults that were traditionally taken by teenagers (due to recession).

Cutting the minimum wage is a lot harder on someone with bills to pay.

Ruken..."Cutting the minimum wage is a lot harder on someone with bills to pay."

Yes, but most people on minimum wage have problems paying the bills anyway.

So you have 1,000 people having trouble paying some of the bills are 1333 having trouble paying a few more bills. No simple solution.

Fortunately, historically the majority of people earning minimum wage move up the pay scale over time.

Yes, but most people on minimum wage have problems paying the bills anyway.

So you have 1,000 people having trouble paying some of the bills are 1333 having trouble paying a few more bills. No simple solution.

Mhm.

hs what Amy doesnt tell you is....that she lives in a small area of Maine, Portland. Two different income sources. along the shore its hospitality since the shore is a vacation wonderland, however once your away from the shore there they have hunters and farmers. You will be hard pressed to find liberals growing ruddy blue taters in Aroostook county Maine. In the Portland area (called Massachusetts by most Mainers) you will find a few like Amy! She still has not answered my number 1 question....."You from away" ?

Fortunately, historically the majority of people earning minimum wage move up the pay scale over time.

Did you not read the article IR posted? Wages are going DOWN. Pay Scales are shrinking. Typical "I've got mine" attitude.

Wages may be going down and pay scales may be shrinking, but that doesn't change the fact that "historically the majority of people earning minimum wage move up the pay scale over time."

It's relative.

Excellent article and thoughts by you, IR.

How many of those claiming the minimum wage hurts the economy have ever lived as a single, let alone tried to raise a family, on a minimum wage? There's stupid, then there's entrenched ideological ignorance coming from those who believe what the "job creators" and GOP lawmakers say rather than look at the reality of minimum wage with some sense of honesty. People who can afford to go out to a restaurant for dinner can afford to pay the minimum wage of the waiters and waitresses, the cooks and the clean-up crews. Walmart is a multi-billion profit company yet they keep workers as temporary, just not quite enough hours to be full time in order to avoid paying benefits yet refuse to cut their profit margin by a few million to pay them better. If those workers were paid better, they could afford to buy more thus making Walmart even more profitable. I stopped buying that line of minimum wage "pious baloney" during Ronald Reagan's first term. Makes me wonder why so many still find it makes sense to pay American workers lower wages when anyone with a few brain cells should know that higher earning American workers put more money in the economy and everyone is better off, including the rich and the businesses; apparently it is just easier for conservatives to buy the lies and ignore how those lies impact their own incomes.

hs321, but if the pay scale over all is lower, they really aren't gaining much now are they; basically, they're just keeping up with the cost of living and that applies to your pay scale as well. Americans are not earning more income, they are barely maintaining with the cost of living rise which is why the middle class is declining and wages are referred to as stagnant. That means yours, too, hs.

The problem today is that too many businesses are no longer content with good profits and rewarding workers for their efforts, they instead have become greedy and no longer reward the workers who earn those big profits for them.

Ron Paul only candidate able to defeat Obama in new Rasmussen poll

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2012 Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul again polls better against President Barack Obama in a head-to-head matchup than establishment-choice moderate Mitt Romney, according to a poll released today from Rasmussen.

The poll notes that in a general election matchup, the 12-term Congressman from Texas edges out Obama by 1 percentage point, 44 to 43 percent. The survey also notes that in a hypothetical 2012 head-to-head, Obama and Romney are tied at 45 percent, which bodes poorly for Republicans being urged to believe the race is over, only to later experience buyer’s remorse.

The poll also finds that this far into Obama’s first term, 40 percent of voters respond that they “strongly disapprove” and 27 percent “strongly approve” of his performance. With a Presidential Approval Index of -13 points, it is noteworthy that some Republicans are seemingly settling on a candidate no more popular than the President, suggesting an establishment liberal Democrat is no more popular than a establishment liberal Republican. The Rasmussen poll may be prescient in showing a general election scenario of confusion among voters over which candidate has the least liberal record.

“Now that other candidates presenting themselves as the ‘conservative’ alternative to Mitt Romney have stepped aside, the numbers are clear. Ron Paul is the only conservative able to garner the enthusiasm, resources, and votes required to win in November. Voters perceive the contrast, and are ready to elect the candidate who will end the status quo and Restore America Now,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton.

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Uggh!! Paulites chiming in.. Go away please!! When it comes to RP I almost (notice I said almost) feel like Ted Nugent and his feelings about our current POTUS. His even running in the primary is the most abhorrent thing I have seen since David Duke..

This "candidate" has some interesting and admirable policies but his "pick and choose" mentality of our Constitution sickens me.

He would lead the charge to repeal the Voting Rights act and the Civil Rights Act, repeal the 17th Amendment to the Constitution right off the bat.....

His "free market" policies would allow businesses to revert back to the segregated lunch counter, again.....

I also cant stand the fact he is USING his candidacy to further his "libertarian" (which is not truly libertarian at all in reality..) agenda to effectively open the door for Rand to come in and further push Americans apart. Rand is even scarier than his father (insert Darth Vader and the Emperor relationship comparison here...).

On second thought, BRING ON RP!! We all can defeat him for good!!

Lowering the minimum wage will only increase profit margins, not increase hiring.

We've been there before. They wrote songs about it. "I owe my soul to the company store"

We have to do something with the wages. This is what I call class warfare. We have to stop this trickle-down BS. Simple as that. I am also beginning to think that we ought to regulate that companies must increase salaries every few years and index that increase for inflation. For example, if you haven't raised your workers' salaries for 5 years, combined inflation for those five years is about 15%, and your companies' profits have increased when indexed for inflation, you must raise your workers' wages by at least 15% in order to keep up with the cost of living. It may be socialist, but this will hopefully help the economy in a fast way.

Unbelievable-895817

Uggh!! Paulites chiming in.. Go away please!! When it comes to RP I almost (notice I said almost) feel like Ted Nugent and his feelings about our current POTUS. His even running in the primary is the most abhorrent thing I have seen since David Duke..

This "candidate" has some interesting and admirable policies but his "pick and choose" mentality of our Constitution sickens me.

He would lead the charge to repeal the Voting Rights act and the Civil Rights Act, repeal the 17th Amendment to the Constitution right off the bat.....

His "free market" policies would allow businesses to revert back to the segregated lunch counter, again.....

I also cant stand the fact he is USING his candidacy to further his "libertarian" (which is not truly libertarian at all in reality..) agenda to effectively open the door for Rand to come in and further push Americans apart. Rand is even scarier than his father (insert Darth Vader and the Emperor relationship comparison here...).

On second thought, BRING ON RP!! We all can defeat him for good!!

I want to point out a few things....

First of all you are free to voice you opinion...even if they are absurd....but still you are free to do so...as i have voiced mine....the only difference is my "candidate" is fighting for your rights, and you "candidate" is a corrupt politician is is fighting to take away your rights. But you can still choose who you'd like even if it is a silly choice.

I also notice that you really dont understand his policies (probably because you got your info from Bill oreilly, or Sean Hannity, or one of those opinion shows).....if you really understood why he voted against the civil rights act, you might be surprised at the simple but brilliant reason..let me explain (briefly) The only country to pass a law (rather than compensate) to free slaves was the US...everyone else freed them and paid them. That is one reason, the other had to do with property rights...he is defending property rights. In other words, if you owned a small ice cream store, and you didnt want some one in their....it should be your right, however you would be stupid to do so, because in this day and age, if you had a white only store, i am sure many whites wont go....Basically you would be out of business. Again, there was a reason.

If I were to kill someone in my house and the story read that i was a murderer, but left out the fact that the person broke in and threatened my family's safety....it would be leaving important info out.....the same thing here.

The other thing is that Ron Paul is the ideal republican (whether you like it or not). The republican's themselves have changed....but if you strip down what a republican was....it is Ron Paul.

Now i am assuming that you are a democrat, because it sounded like you were upset with Nugent talking about Obama.....Well if you like Obama, and are not appauled by his lies, deceit, and his laws that he recently passed.....then i really am wasting my time, because if you like someone like that, then it is understandeable why you would not like Ron Paul....because Ron Paul wants you to have your right, while Obama is taking them away.

I really hope that flip flopping romney doesnt get the fraudulent nominee, so that people can see Ron Paul rip Obama a new arse hole, because while Obama is a slick talker, Ron will destroy him with the truth.....As for Romney....Obama will pounce Romney, because Obama (while they are both liars) is a smooth talker compared to Mittens!!!!

But for your sake and mine (yes yours, because you are still an America citizen, and i do care for us all) i hope Ron Paul gets the nomination (I know the RNC, GOP, FED chairman might try to assasinate him) but for all our sakes, i hope all your corrupt political favorites fail to go any further.

Ron Paul is not a republican. He is a libertarian running on a republican ticket.

Please know the difference.

I'll reminisce about the 1800s through books and black and whites, thank you.

Jody:

For honest voters, we know everything we need to know about Mitt Romney. He is a stone-cold liar. That's more than reason enough to shun him. His is not the case where he reassesses his position because times have changed, or because circumstances demand different solutions. He favors what the crowd at hand favors. You like guns? Mitt likes guns. You want to cut government? Mitt wants to cut government. You want to subjugate women? Mitt wants to subjugate women? Oh, you like women? Mitt likes women. Ann, his incubator, can confirm that.

Only one position never changes for Romney: He wants to be President and he will do or say anything to win that office. The irony is that no one even really knows WHY he wants to be President. I don't even think Romney knows and if he did, does he even believe what he says he believes?

So true, and Ann wins the award for getting the fake outrage going.

Romney will use a model of "destructive capitalism" to destroy the government of We the People. His goal is to be the business CEO of America, not President.

You just don't get what a "hot mike" is, do you?

Simply put, a hot mike is when two people are having a conversation they have no idea is being broadcast.

Speaking to a closed group, which Obama does at each of the more than 150 fundraisers he's had so far, is not a hot mike event.

Don't you find it odd that NBC planted a reporter where he could overhear Romney's speech- but neglects to do so, (or report on it if they do), when Obamais speaking at closed events?

Might be useful to learn what he plans on being flexible about. . .

Was Ann Coulter right when she said that Romney would be the Republican nominee.....and they Would LOSE to Obama?

Coulter said the same thing about John McCain in 2008 and she was right!!!

Obama2012

Huh, No Joe, got your undies in a bunch this morning? We are smart people despite your attempts to say only you are the smart one; we do know the difference between a "hot mic" and the equivalent of a "hot mic" as is this instance; both, however, imply overhearing what was not meant to be overheard. The two reporters were not planted, they were outside on a sidewalk leaving the hotel, outside the secret service perimeter and noticed they could "hear" every word spoken in the tent. So how is that illegal; anyone walking by could have done the same. So, NO, I do not find it odd that 2 reporters found a legal listening post on a public sidewalk which was available to anyone passing by.

The Romneys are the most ridiculous people I have ever seen. They are perfect for each other. They both have a problem with when they have it all, they put their foot in their mouth. Watching when Diane Sawyer asked her about her hot-mic comment, she looked disappointed that they can't milk the comment anymore.

“It was my early birthday present for someone to be critical of me as a mother, and that was really a defining moment, and I loved it,”

The Republicans had most of last week saying that Democrats hated stay at home mothers. Now that they can't use it anymore because she just LOVED her early birthday present, now on Fox News, they are saying that moms don't care about contraceptive and abortions, they only care about economy, citing two stay a home moms who are struggling in their overpriced homes. One of the women was clearly upset, making it seem like its Obama's fault that she can't pay her bills. This election will be the most ridiculous sideshow ever. It will not be based on who is best. It will be about who messes up the least. Last week, Romney had a win, yet as usual he puts his foot in his mouth, giving Obama a win for this week. It will continue until the election.

The thing that is so frustrating to see people, no matter their political affiliation, blaming the president and government for their problem. They all need to take a look in the mirror. It's not Obama's fault you decided to buy a house or car you could not afford and now you sit here with mounds of debt. Look at yourself.

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Dear Damage:

WTF are you talking about?

Nevermind, I just remembered that I don't care.

How does that relate to the article?

123ang:

It doesn't. Are you making a citizen's arrest?

Sure. Folks do understand the appearance of a "conflict of interest" concerning both Mrs. Thomas' advocacy with respect to Justice Thomas as well as Justice Kagan's prior work as Solicitor General regarding the ACA. The appearance of a conflict, however, is not the test for recusal. Instead, it is whether the Justice can remain a neutral arbiter despite that appearance. The Court (all 9, including the conservatives) refused arguments pertaining to Kagan's recusal, evidently believing that she could remain neutral despite this perceived conflict. If she can remain neutral with an arguably direct conflict, surely Justice Thomas can remain so with a more attenuated conflict. Because decisions to recuse at this level are essentially unreviewable, there is a "double standard" insofar as the Justice his or herself makes the final call; but, that happens when you are the highest court in the land. You can take solace in the fact that both of these apparently-conflicted Justices will cancel-out each other's vote. However, you cannot seriously argue for the injustice of Thomas' failure to recuse without addressing Kagen's similar failure.

factcheckero:

Yeah, actually I can. The distinction is that Justice Kagan's activities occurred as part of her doing her job. Justice Thomas' household has benefitted financially for advocating against the very thing that he is now supposed to "impartially" arbitrate. Not to mention that he also conveniently "forgot" to report this financial compensation.

Also too, it would seem that if Justice Thomas held his position on the Supreme Court to the level of importance it deserved, he would be a hell of a lot more circumspect to avoid even the APPEARANCE of impropriety, something that he, and his wife, most certainly have not done.

When did everyone start sounding like country bumpkins using "folks" instead of "people"?

Now I remember folks, when Obama popularized the word.

Why is it less of a conflict if it was part of her job? A job for which she sought an appointment and spent countless hours formulating the precise legal arguments that support the ACA's constitutionality. A job from which she benefitted financially for advocating for the very thing she is supposed to "impartially" arbitrate. These are distinctions without a difference. Excepting the failure to disclose (which is somewhat minor as I think you would agree compared to the substantive problems), your arguments could be made to defend Mrs. Thomas' advocacy. She had a job advocating for a particular position that entailed financial benefits. Only, she is not the Justice. For what it is worth, I think both should recuse or both should remain. If either Justice held their position to the level of importance you assert it deserves, they would both recuse.

hs321:

Who died and left you in charge of how folks talk? Clearly, I didn't get the memo.

Some folks should just shut up if they don't have anything to say.

P.S. That's President Obama to you, hypnotized simpleton 321.

factcheckero:

It is a justices job to make constitutional arguments, so if Justice Kagan has experience doing that, it would seem that would HELP her make a decision. That is completely different than using your personal preferences to publicly campaign against something, while simultaneously pretending to give it a fair hearing.

However, in an effort to restore confidence in the Supreme Court, I would rather they both recused themselves than the current situation where we have folks who actively participate in blatantly political and polarizing activities (and this includes more than just Justice Thomas) attempting to pass themselves off as impartial arbiters of the Constitution.

The current Supreme Court in my opinion has done real and permanent damage to the institution.

No, it's "Obama" to me,just like it's "Bush" to so many others instead of "Former President Bush".

I respectfully refer you the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America regarding free speech.

hs321:

Free speech unless folks want to use words you don't approve of, eh?

Like I said, its okay not to post if you don't have anything to say.

I agree with your sentiments; however, it is awfully generous to characterize Kagen's prior work as simply making constitutional arguments. Her job, as I am sure you well know, was to make arguments in favor of the legislation and to compromise arguments against it, not to simply conduct an academic analysis. I'll concede, however, that this is less offensive in the "appearance of conflict" sense than Mrs. Thomas' avocational choice to enter a public campaign against the legislation, but I believe that is tempered somewhat by the fact that it was not the Justice himself who participated. But, you know what they say about two wrongs . . .

I wholeheartedly agree that all Justices and their families should avoid extracurricular political activities. Thanks for the discussion. Cheers.