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Subscribe to RSSRomney’s own hot-mic moment… At Florida fundraiser (overheard by NBC’s Garrett Haake), Romney singles out HUD for possible elimination and says he wants to cut the Education Dept… He and his wife also were giddy about the Hilary Rosen flap… And Romney revealed he wants a “Republican DREAM Act” to help woo Latinos… Senate to vote on Buffett Rule at 5:30 pm ET… Team Obama rakes in $53 million in March… Anonymous donor writes Crossroads $10 million check… NYT on White House’s access to big donors… Romney, meanwhile, promises his own donors access at “Presidential Inaugural Retreat!!!
*** Romney’s own hot-mic moment: In an interview with the Weekly Standard earlier this year, Mitt Romney said he learned this advice from his unsuccessful 1994 Senate race against Ted Kennedy: don’t get too specific. “One of the things I found in a short campaign against Ted Kennedy was that when I said, for instance, that I wanted to eliminate the Department of Education, that was used to suggest I don’t care about education,” he said. “So I think it’s important for me to point out that I anticipate that there will be departments and agencies that will either be eliminated or combined with other agencies.” But at a Florida fundraiser Romney attended last night -- which NBC’s Garrett Haake overheard because he was sitting on a seawall outside the home -- the former Massachusetts governor got MUCH MORE specific. Indeed, it was in a way Romney’s own hot-mic moment, where he was more open about his plans than he’s been to voters and reporters to date.
In a speech to donors at a closed door fundraiser in Palm Beach, Florida, Mitt Romney laid out plans to consolidate federal agencies, reform the tax code and win back Latino voters. The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd reports.
*** Eliminate HUD, cut Education Department: He singled out HUD for possible elimination. "I'm going to take a lot of departments in Washington, and agencies, and combine them. Some eliminate, but I'm probably not going to lay out just exactly which ones are going to go," Romney said. "Things like Housing and Urban Development, which my dad was head of, that might not be around later.” He said he’d cut the Education Department, though not eliminate it entirely, referring again to that 1994 Senate defeat. "The Department of Education: I will either consolidate with another agency, or perhaps make it a heck of a lot smaller. I'm not going to get rid of it entirely." Romney also identified specific loopholes and deductions that he’s eliminate to finance his across-the-board tax cut. "I'm going to probably eliminate for high income people the second home mortgage deduction," Romney said, per Haake, adding that he would also likely eliminate deductions for state income and property taxes as well.
*** Giddy over the Rosen flap: At the fundraiser, Haake adds, both Romney and his wife Ann remained absolutely giddy about last week’s Hilary Rosen flap. "It was my early birthday present for someone to be critical of me as a mother, and that was really a defining moment, and I loved it," Ann Romney said. The candidate went further, calling the episode a "gift" that allowed his campaign to show contrast with Democrats in the general election's first week. But while Romney said last week that “all moms are working moms,” that doesn’t apply to mothers who are welfare recipients, the Boston Globe says. Romney said at a Jan. 4 campaign stop in Manchester, N.H.: “Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work,” Romney describing his position as Massachusetts governor. “And people said, ‘Well that’s heartless,’ and I said ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’”
*** Romney wants a “Republican DREAM Act”: Here’s a final bit of news from last night’s Romney’s fundraiser: He said the GOP must offer its own policies to woo Hispanics, including a "Republican DREAM Act," to give Hispanic voters a real choice between the two political parties. So Romney here is admitting the obvious: He and his party have A LOT of work to do with Latinos. Why? Consider this: Obama can get to 270 electoral votes (275 to be specific) by winning the following battleground states: Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Virginia. Under the scenario of this Hispanic path (CO, NM, NV, and VA), Obama doesn’t need to win Florida, Ohio, Iowa, or New Hampshire. That’s right -- this is a viable path to 270 that does not include EITHER Florida or Ohio. It’s pretty stunning.
*** Senate to vote on Buffett Rule: Congress is back from its Easter/Passover break, and the Senate today votes -- at 5:30 pm ET, per NBC’s Libby Leist -- on the so-called Buffett Rule, under which millionaires would have to pay an effective tax rate of at least 30%. We’ve talked plenty about the presidential politics of the Buffett Rule, but here’s something additional to consider: How do the individual senators vote? We’re looking at five running for re-election/election in November: Jon Tester (D-MT), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Scott Brown (R-MA), Dean Heller (R-NV), and Bill Nelson (D-FL).
*** Team Obama rakes in $53 million-plus in March: In a video, the Obama campaign announced this morning that it raised more than $53 million in March -- the campaign, DNC, and other committees. It added that 567,000 contributed to the campaign last month, and the average donation was $51. We won't know until April 20 -- the filing deadline for March -- how much of that $53 million was from the campaign, DNC, etc. But for February, the campaign announced raising $45 million, and the split was $21.3 million for the campaign and $24 million for the other committees. To put these new Obama numbers into perspective, for March of 2004, the Bush-Cheney campaign raised $26.2 million, and the RNC brought in $18.8 million. That's a total of $45 million. To date now, the Obama campaign and DNC have raked in nearly $370 million this campaign cycle.
*** An anonymous $10 million check: But that campaign money is only part of the story. On Friday, the Washington Post reported that an anonymous donor gave the Karl Rove-backed Crossroad GPS a $10 million contribution late last year. Unlike American Crossroads, which is a Super PAC and which has to disclose its donors, Crossroads GPS is a 501c4 and doesn’t have to reveal the identity of its donors. So with one check, an anonymous donor gave this conservative outside group about half ($10 million) of what the Obama campaign raised in February ($21.3 million).
*** White House access for big donors: There are a couple of other fundraising stories. First, the Sunday New York Times reported on the White House access that big Obama donors have received. “[T]he review showed that those who donated the most to Mr. Obama and the Democratic Party since he started running for president were far more likely to visit the White House than others. Among donors who gave $30,000 or less, about 20 percent visited the White House, according to a New York Times analysis that matched names in the visitor logs with donor records. But among those who donated $100,000 or more, the figure rises to about 75 percent.” It’s worth noting that for all the reforms Team Obama has instituted – not taking lobbyist money, making the White House visitor logs open to the public, efforts to rein in the lobbyist revolving door – it’s received very little political gain. In fact, you could argue that it’s created more pain… (The fact is most Democratic lobbyists and big donors don’t believe they get any special treatment from this White House, and they complain loudly about this. As the re-election has geared up, Team Obama has tried to make these folks feel better, only to have their efforts get correctly flagged for coming across hypocritical.)
*** Romney camp promises donor access at “Presidential Inaugural Retreat”: The Romney campaign pounced on yesterday’s New York Times story. “Less than four years after promising to drive special interests out of Washington, President Obama has done the exact opposite—granting top donors special favors and access to his White House,” said spokeswoman Andrea Saul. “This is just another example of President Obama’s failed record, which he’ll be desperate to hide from voters this November.” But get this: Buzzfeed reports that Romney “is already offering top donors access to a special ‘Presidential Inaugural retreat,’ planned on the assumption that he will be elected president this November. The offer, in a fundraising email circulated by a top Georgia supporter to fellow Republicans and obtained by BuzzFeed, is one of several goodies offered to those who contribute more than $50,000 to the joint fundraising committee known as ‘Romney Victory.’ Those donors will be named ‘Founding Members’ of Romney Victory and invited to a California retreat with Romney and offered ‘yet to be determined access at the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August.’”
*** On the GOP trail: Romney attends a Red Sox game at 11:00 am ET and also gives an interview to ABC. Later in the day, Romney heads to Philadelphia, where he speaks to a Tea Party group… Also, Gingrich attends a fundraiser in Texas.
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We have all observed some exceptional 'back flips from Willard; however this one should receive a score of a perfect 10!
Now is comes out Anne and embraced playing the victim card. Who would of guessed?
What a warm & fuzzy guy that Willard is… doesn't he just oozes compassion?
Poor & disadvantaged women = fair game!
Pampered stay at home princess = off limits!
BTW: Until NBC finds an honest moderator – Democrats should refuse to go on MTP! Gotcha Gregory made a buffoon out of himself & the network yesterday with the partisan hack job!
Kudos to Hillary Rosen for not allowing herself to be caught up in that 'hot mess' passing itself off as MTP!
Coffee Cups:
Although we have enough junk at our house, on Saturday my wife and I decided to check out some yard sales. At one particular location there was an assortment of coffee mugs. I commented that the Republicans have already released some mugs that say something like, "All Moms Are Working Moms". An independent-minded lady standing next to me responded with, "Every household has 5 times more mugs than they well ever use. What a waste of clay."
She wasn't finished. "Those grumpy old Republican men must think women are really stupid. Do they really think a coffee cup will change the thinking of women? If Romney wants the women's vote, he will have to craft policy that will protect women's reproductive rights and improve their economic well being."
"But it's too late for that. Romney has already stated that he does not support the Affordable Healthcare Act, would defund Planned Parenthood, discontinue the Women, Infant, and Children program (WIC), and he supports the Paul Ryan budget. Even though he is a flip-flopper, it is impossible for even him to reverse himself on all these issues. Romney will carry the conservative, War on Women agenda all the way to the general election."
Her comments were music to my ears, so I bought a plain old mug. I needed something to hold those old John McCain tire pressure gages that depicted Obama's policy to reduce gas consumption. Guess those old tire pressure gages didn't garner many votes either.
I apologize for the double post
"So began Kurt Vonnegut's 1961 short story 'Harrison Bergeron.' In that brave new world, the government forced each individual to wear "handicaps" to offset any advantage he had, so everyone could be truly and fully equal. Beautiful people had to wear ugly masks to hide their good looks. The strong had to wear compensating weights to slow them down. Graceful dancers were burdened with bags of bird shot. Those with above-average intelligence had to wear government transmitters in their ears that would emit sharp noises every 20 seconds, shattering their thoughts 'to keep them…from taking unfair advantage of their brains'…."
Communal mediocrity is the inevitable consequence of a government's attempt to impose economic equality on its citizens. That's exactly where Obama and his LWNJ pals would lead us, and exactly the opposite of where Romney would lead us.
So the stakes are high.
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/04/09/the-poverty-of-equality
Campaigning for the November election can now begin in earnest. In the left corner, we have the current champion, a Democrat, and dark-skinned Marxist, pinko, fascist, progressive, liberal who hates guns, white people, and success. In the right corner, we have a filthy rich Republican, who understands the plight of the poor, calls his son's basement home, and is the most conservative candidate on U.S. soil.
The President is the Democratic candidate by default. He already holds the office and has wide appeal to every group to the left of Attila the Hun. What sane Democrat would fight that kind of love?
Only someone in his right mind, a very far right mind, would have the courage, the strength, the conviction, and the moral rectitude to take on this evil man, this Obama guy. So it is, we have Mitt Romney, a man who has managed to snag the nomination of his Party by virtue of being the most conservative guy out there. Most conservative? What exactly does that mean - MOST conservative?
It's best to answer that question by looking at the less conservative candidates he defeated. Start with Jon Huntsman, a joke as a conservative. He served in the Obama Administration as an Ambassador and speaks a foreign language. He thinks science might have value, and his daughters do not wear chastity belts. He's just barely more conservative than Obama. Almost a closet liberal.
Romney vanquished Michelle Bachmann, a candidate who attended Matchbook U. and knows even less history than Sarah Palin. She prays away the gay and knows science is just plain silly. She is dead set against other people getting government money. Her conservo-credentials are highlighted in her signature legislation where she opposed conservation in favor of the right to choose your own light bulbs. No more nefarious government plot exists than one that promotes a conservative outcome.
Bachmann was also out-conservatived by Rick Perry, by virtue of the fact that he not only shows total disdain for science, but has trouble with arithmetic beyond the number two. He uses government to amass a healthy personal fortune, which sorta kinda makes him a friend of government. A true conservative like Mitt has demonstrated his hatred of government by serving only one term as a Governor, where Rick just can't get enough.
Why even bother mentioning Herman Cain with his nine-ninety-nine program. Yes, it was impressive to the extent that Cain refused to divulge specifics, but he was one-upped by Romney. He also refuses to tell us specifics until AFTER he takes office, but will lower taxes even more than Cain. Mitt really hates government, which is why he wants to be part of it.
Gingrich and Paul are still around. They are not officially out of the race, so it's not fair to match their conservative bona fides against Romney. Besides it's not nice to speak ill of the dead, even if they don't know they're dead.
Finally, to get where he is, Romney had to out-conservative Rick Santorum, and that was not easy. How do you beat a guy who brings home a fetus for a family get-together? How do you beat a guy who buys a life membership in the NRA for his gravely ill daughter? How do you beat a guy who makes the Pope look like a flaming liberal? It's tough, but Romney did it.
It wasn't particularly imaginative, but it was conservative, at least if we understand conservative the way Republicans do. Romney used the tried and true Republican way. He is not only the baddest, most conservative conservative on the face of the earth, he's in a class by himself; head and shoulders above his less conservative opponents. Mitt Romney is the best liar in the Republican Party.
Three quotes from the weekend that sums up Obama fairly well:
Obama in Columbia: "Part of my job is to scout out where I may want to bring
Michelle back later for a vacation."
Bill Maher (top contributor to the Obama Super-Pac) on Ann Romney "[she] has
never gotten her ass out of the house to work."
Dick Cheney: "Obama has been an unmitigated disaster."
For who? Haliburton?
Draft tax returns reveal that one mystery donor gave $10 million to the Karl Rove-linked Crossroads GPS group to fund an anti-Obama ad campaign, but weak disclosure laws mean his or her identity may never be revealed to the public.
Is this donor a US citizen or a foreign operative trying to sway American politics thus policy. No disclosure no answer.
The Republican mantra = no oversight, no disclosure, no accountability, no rules,
no worries
Anne, there's nothing like coming off as conniving to turn away whatever good will you received from being wronged.
I guess the silver foot in mouth problem extends to the whole family.
Men are from Mars, Women from Venus! With you this one Ron.
Could not agree more. You want my tax dollars for aid to families with dependent children, then, unless you or your children are physically or mentally challenged or infirm, you need to contribute something to the pot for your and their support. One's children are first and foremost one's responsibility; one's children are not first and foremost the taxpayers' responsibility.
This site is pure entertainment. Both sides act like their own party is somehow different.
Feisty,
Your comment, "BTW: Until NBC finds an honest moderator – Democrats should refuse to go on MTP! Gotcha Gregory made a buffoon out of himself & the network yesterday with the partisan hack job!" is spot on..
While Bachman was allowed to interrupt and spout lies, Gregory never questioned her once, and never allowed a rebuttal from Gillabrand.. I had never sent an email to a tv show until yesterday. Gregory's actions were despicable..
I see JAM1 has very little to say, as usual.
Did you stay up all weekend to find those useless bits of crap JAS1?
If this were a true democracy every ballot would have "none of the above" on the card along with space for a write in candidate. I bet $ to donuts "none of the above" would win by a landslide come this November.
Which is why the child tax credit needs to be repealed. Enough subsidies for those that breed and cannot afford it.
No kidding Brad!
Tim Russert is rolling in his grave!
And what was up with the 'Republican Roundtable'? Harold Ford Jr? Really?
As did I...
Meanwhile, has anyone seen a update on the penguin that bit Newt's condition?
Sure hope the little fella makes a full & speedy recovery...
Maybe Romney should start out small, like with cutting the Secret Service and the GSA who seem to spend more time partying on the taxpayer dime than actually doing their jobs.
And lets hope and pray the Columbia government provides free contraceptives to their
prostitutes, otherwise many of Obama's Secret Service detail will be out of
service for a while. Perhaps the GSA should get involved to investigate how
exactly our tax dollars are being spent by the government, maybe as soon as they
get back from their latest Vegas junket.
You always have the option of going to vote and voting for every office except President.
...or you can always stay home.
Feisty, Ron, David Walker, perfect way to start the week!
I think that Mitt and Ann Romney, now that his January comments have been brought to the surface once again, will not be speaking as much about that "early birthday gift"; Ann won't be loving it so much. Ron, amazing what you find out over coffee mugs! David hit it right, Romney won the nomination because he's the best liar of the GOP candidates.
At least Romney's hot mic comment wasn't an effort to sell out our country to the Russians !
Obama is a traitor !
Feisty, I know you're used to moderators like Keith, Big Ed, Rachel, and Lawrence interviewing the Democrats asking then scripted questions they already know are coming. By contrast, I can see how you would think Gregory is a hack job. Welcome to reality. It's about time to press produced someone with actual integrity. You should be happy someone from the left can think for themselves.
This country deserves what it gets. Republicans were too stupid to vote Bush out after one term. Now democrats are too dumb to vote Obama out after one term. They both ran on lies and empty promises and "we the people" fall for it do to blind support for a party, instead of holding these foolish politicians accountable for their inept performance.
Sane and productive people take responsibility for their life and realize nothing a politician does will help you in any way. What politicians do are for votes and special interest groups. Until we start holding politicians accountable for the actions there is no point complaining about it amongst ourselves.
Feisty and Brad:
I could be wrong on this, but I believe David Gregory is in an almost no-win situation. He's more than savvy enough to ask the tough questions..........BUT......He also has to line up his guests. If he pisses them off they aren't going to come back. If Gregory gets a reputation as a hard-ass interrogator, no one is going to go on the show.
Sure, most of us would like to see him ask Mitch McConnell why he is trying to destroy the Presidency even if that means taking down the country as well. We'd like to know why Romney can't tell the truth. We'd like to know why the President hasn't gone after the thieves in the financial services sector, or why he has a Wall Street lackey like Geithner running Treasury.
It's really up to us to check as many sources as we can and try to tease out the real truth. We can, but it's not easy.
Frankly, I'm willing to cut Gregory some slack because of his self-restraint. Can you imagine listening to that sorry-ass weasel Cantor say, "Well, if you're asking........." and then spit out some party slop. Can you imagine NOT reaching across the table and slapping the snot out of the punk?
On balance, Gregory is probably doing the best he can.
Integrity would involve BOTH sides equal time.
Last time I checked it was 'moderator's' JOB to moderate!
MTP is about as 'Fair & Balanced' as News for DumbFux!
David,
Which WE do...
My concern is the audience who aren't as politically savvy as we are watching Michelle Bachmann pull random numbers out of her ass while Gotcha sits there saying nothing, grinning from ear to ear!
Plus, on more then one occasion Gregory has slipped up by saying 'our' side when referring to the GNOP!
I had NO idea Tim Russert was a Democrat until his untimely passing...
Meanwhile, Obama attampts (in vain) to further distract his herd with the "Buffet Rule"...
To: Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL . Who writes and writes echoing MSN NBC. We should change your name to Feisty NBC. How do you do manage to always be first on posting. Can you tell us the secret?
So what was this story about? Comparing what Mitt said against what Obama has said i the HOT Microphone.
Give me a brake. FNC .
"People who live in Glass Houses shouldn't throw stones". Welcome Mr. Romney, what goes around comes around. Don't talk about "open mic's" when your guilty of the same thing.
Good Willard, the "DUMBING DOWN" of America sounds like a great idea. HUH! Who dreams this stuff up for you? Do away with Education? You've got to be kidding. OH, I get it. Maybe we just teach kids to read "a little" and be able to make their MARK just for Repugs. Get a life loser. Your going to hate November.
Obama in 2012.
AtticusFlinched
I don't need to hear one side of the political debate expressed, and one side only, in the media, however I do expect a so called moderator to moderate, and not let one motor mouth politician spout lies, unchallenged.
David Gregory didn't do his job on MTP this past Sunday. Why am I surprised? MTP has become a platform where politicians harangue us each week, and over paid pundits inform spout CW, which is stale before it's out of their mouths. It is not a forum for discussion and debate. I'm getting sick of starting my Sundays angry and upset.
Rosen did nothing but point out that Ann Romneycare has no outside employment experience. Mittens always is telling people how he listens to her economic opinions, and the only economic advice she could offer is how to spend money, not earn it. Both the Romneycares are doing their best to maximize their fake indignation at the insult hurled at innocent mothers everywhere, but it was just a statement of fact.
If Ann Romneycare ever gets outside gainful employment, then she will have a clue what working women deal with (in addition to taking care of kids). Until then, she can share her cookie recipes, if she has ever cooked any.
Gotcha Gregory should be replaced....even fired! He is not a moderator, he is an enabler for the right-wing!
As for Ms. Ann, she is a big a deceiver as her husband......"I love it" comment shows her true feelings about the non-troversy concerning Hilary Rosen.....
Regarding poor women who have children, the GOP loves life, loves all those unborn children but once born, those children and their mothers and fathers are left on their own and helping them is unacceptable. The GOP does not want to fund birth control or Planned Parenthood yet they are perfectly willing to demand those women work to justify public aid. The laws were changed; welfare to work is now the normal. While I do not disagree that those receiving public assistance should not be given a free pass but it seems to me Mitt Romney and the GOP should not be so willing to de-fund the very programs that help prevent even more children being poor into poverty. The Catholic church, and any other faith, that is anti-birth control is equally to blame for adding to the problem. Talk about hypocritical.
Jody:
Maybe there is a common ground here since we're on the subject of, ahem, poor parenting. Let's give the "War on Women" a rest for a month or so, and hammer the hell out of DEADBEAT DADS. Let's start with Joe Walsh. Those guys really make child-rearing a challenge. What say you, Ms. Romney?
Bill Fairfax
Odd choice of authors to quote there, Bill. You should have stuck with an Ayn Rand quote about what moochers and parasites all of us non-super wealthy are. Vonnegut was one of those lefty libs who made politically incorrect (for the right) comments like the following:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/vonnegutquotes.htm
LMAO! Woot Woot!!
Another looney liberal boycott! You go girl!....lol Al or Jesse call ya up and toss that gem your way?!?
DumbFux
P.S. I saw my babe Congresswoman Michele on MTP yesterday.......AWESOME! and she's still smokin' hot to boot!
"Obama is the HealthCare Dictator".....lol.....good one Mrs. Bachmann! No wonder I get still get the honor of voting for you!
David Walker #1.23 - Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:51 AM EDT
I think you are wrong David. Tim Russert never had trouble filling a show with the guests the public wanted to see him interview. Gregory is a worthless joke. I haven't watched MTP since Tim passed away....gregory; self restraint....i don't think so.....more like lazy a$$ chicken $hit.
GO Obaaahhhhhma 2012!
Yeah Dick, That's the way we liberals and most of the world feels about you.
Michael you really ought to raise your standards a bit. Bachmann??? Hot??? She wouldn't be hot if the room was on fire!
By the way, apparently Bill mistook Vonnegut for some sort of rightwinger because he loathed attempts to enforce false equality on people. It may come as a surprise to Bill, but liberals like Vonnegut despise it just as much or more than conservatives. Unlike conservatives, progressives aren't trying to force people to conform to the dictates of some religious dogma.
Jody, Iowa...As a former Republican, I can tell you that the GOP is a bastion of the good old boys network. They do have some pretty intelligent, poliltically savvy women in their party. But, GOP men are bullies. Take a look at this reality...Walker in WI who would hang by his toes in the public square before admitting it's time to pack it in. NJ's Christie who claims our society is an entitlement society where people just wait for their next government check. Then you get pantywaist Ryan who is planning to savage our payroll deductions so he can hand it over to Wall Street high risk addicts. Add to that list of GOP Bully Bois Cantor who has the gall to demonize the Middle Class just because he was born like George W. Bush with a "silver foot in his mouth".
The GOP does have one mortal fear: a woman president. It's why they've lost Olympia Snowe and several of their best GOP women. Then, they put Palin and Bachmann, two harridan harpies out there for arm candy as the GOP male's vision of arm candy, expecting the rest of America's women not to notice how dumb they are.
You can always tell who is a Republican....they conserve THEIR money by spending YOURS. It's why they demand the 1% keep their 40% of the nation's wealth and work their asses off helping the rich stay that way even if the rest of the country goes under.
The next Republican man I hear talk about "entitlement" needs to hear the same word used by Dennis Kozlowski, former CEO of Tyco, the $7,000 shower curtain and the $2 million birthday party for McWifie at his recent parole hearing...he stated that he had an "entitlement" attitude to wealth.
So the next time you hear a Republican go all "entitlement" BS remind them of Tyco's former CEO now sitting in jail. It's time to take these Republican men down a few pegs. There is NO entitlement to wealth. Never has been....never will be. And especially not when that wealth is stolen from consumers, taxpayers and employees.
Michael, you think Bachmann is "HOT"? I know of an optometrist who will see you on short notice to help you with your vision problems LMAO
Feisty,
In post #1.16, you said, "Tim Russert is rolling in his grave!"..
That's too funny because that is exactly what I said in my letter to MTP..
Good, now he can apply it to the national debt he racked up! Starting with Solyndra! We don't need to hear anymore of his change you can believe in!
Funny how the left disowned Rosen like yesterdays sour milk, but in actuality, she is still very much one of them
Controversial Democratic strategist and CNN contributor, Hilary Rosen, was hired by DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz to coach her on media appearances.
(Barry’s personal attack pit bull doesn’t need any help)
According to a Wall Street Journal report in February, Obama advisers told Wasserman Schultz to "tone it down," suggesting that they hire "two seasoned Democratic female pros, Anita Dunn and Hilary Rosen," for media training, in preparation for the upcoming campaign. Wasserman Schultz willingly accepted.
But Republicans at the Republican National Committee, have already pulled data on payments made by the DNC to Rosen.
"DNC has paid $120,000 to Rosen's firm since 2011 for both a "communications consultant" and "media consultant," tweeted Joe Pounder, the director at the RNC, "Sounds like Dunn and Rosen."
Rosen is a lesbian who left her position to spend more time with her partner and adopted twins but they have since separated…which explains WHY she doesn’t like stay at home moms!
Bill, Fairfax - still on the stupidity trail I see. And, look, you've brought JoAnna Smith with you. You two are soooo miserable as people aren't you? Lies and innuendo is all you've got. There isn't a whole brain between the two of you.
As Feisty showed in her collapsed post (seems the right just hates the truth) it is another week of Romney whining about something while he sneaks the knife in. And, Feisty, love the "birthday gift" to Ann. Hopefully for their anniversary or whatever, we'll give them more vacations to their 9 homes. Ann can ride the car elevator up and down as many times as she wants while Mitt sits and moans "why don't they like me?"
Michael1969 - Tim Russert could walk circles around most political commentators today. He is sorely missed as a sane, intelligent voice. Now why does it not surprise me that you like Michelle Bachmann? My guess is you like your women stupid - just like Michelle. Notice how she couldn't answer questions and did the Palin thing of just sticking to the GOP talking points since she had nothing of value to say. Stupid woman - but the only women left in the GOP are missing most of their minds.
When Tim Russert was the moderator on Meet the Press, he was known to be tough on whoever came on his show. He gave neither side a free pass, neither side was allowed to spew nonsense least of all make up stuff. Those appearing spent time preparing themselves for their appearance but because Russert's MTP was known to be fair and tough, he had absolutely no problem getting people to come on the show. I remember hearing frequent guests comment that they knew it would be a tough show but they came anyway. Why? Because they knew they had to be on their best game, had to be honest. Viewers respected that. As others have said, until Tim Russert died suddenly I had no idea which side of the political aisle he preferred.
Meet The Press and its host should not be mistaken as comparable to the evening lineups on any cable channel. MTP was always looked at as an unbiased, tough, political show which challenged statements and politicians to get at the truth. No one can ever replace Tim Russert but David Gregory is so far off the mark as to have made a mockery of the show.
When Tim Russert hosted MTP, there were few Sundays that did not find me watching. Now, I have not watched MTP in sometime for the simple reason it is no longer the smart, savvy Sunday morning political talk show. David Gregory gives us nothing as a moderator that cannot be seen on CNN, FOX, MSNBC anytime most days. Gregory provides the same right/left, he said/she said 15-minutes of nonsense and worse, he cannot control the guests and too often allows nonsense to stand without challenge. I may be a liberal but I expect any MTP moderator to be tough on BOTH sides. Gregory's bias shows and that does not serve him, MTP or NBC well.
So Mitt wants to trim/eliminate government agencies, while Obama wants to make secret deals with the Russians that could have profound negative affects on our future security. We are being lead to believe by MSNBC that these are equivalent? You must be kidding. One is a responsible, predictable, necessity, in order to bring fiscal responsibility back to our country, the other is simply sucking up to a potentially dangerous adversary so that in his mind (Obamas) the Russians will like him. The fact is, they look at him like a limp wristed wimp.
Everyone here you thinks Ann Romney cared for her own children raise your hand.
Uh...
right.
The reporter was "sitting on the seawall?" Have they resorted to bugging Romney's home?
No matter what was overheard on Romney's open mic...it doesn't compare with Obama selling us up the river to the Russians.
Until Romney's Stepford Wife ever works a real job like the rest of us plebs, her whining doesn't interest me one iota.
What ? 1500 deployed warheads isn't enough ?
Michael (1.34) "I saw my babe Congresswoman Michele on MTP yesterday.......AWESOME! and she's still smokin' hot to boot!"
OH WHAT A GIVEAWAY!!! A rightie male slut who thinks we should vote for someone's looks rather than content and what might be good for the country. And then he crows about it! OMG! Give me a break!
This wasn't really an "open mic" incident. It was Romney tipping his hand to the elite to keep them on board while his general public stump speeches for the unwashed will continue to be a few soundbites and short on specifics.
He should have known that somebody outside or even a mole inside would leak what he said anyway. You can't tell something to more than two or three people and not expect it to get leaked big time. I guess he's used to his elite friends being good about keeping secrets like insider information until after it becomes public, so he probably felt very safe in confiding in them. After all, these are the real Americans in the top .01% and not just the regular schmucks.
And yet even this left wing icon had the clarity of thought to demolish the notion of communal equality. Waaaaaay back in 1961 no less, which is why I quoted him. Thanks for playing.
Unbelievable anyone would even consider voting for Romney. Unbelievable. How could an american allow themselves to even consider it?. As plain as the noses on our faces. Republicans reinforce daily my belief that honor has left them entirely and completely. DAILY. Shameful leadership and followers everyone. Nothing more, nothing less. Poor sheep are polarized to a point of stupid.
Politics can and usually is an ugly business. Both the democrats and republicans pounce on every opportunity. When there isn't an opportunity, people from both sides try to exaggerate the comments from another if it would benefit them. There have times when a politician has said something that they wish they hadn't. Sometimes it can be so damaging that it costs them an election.
The problem we face as a nation in recent times however is much different. Over the past twenty years or so, politicians have said as little as possible about what they will do for us. They say just enough to try to capture our attention and our vote. They also try to say things in broad terms so that they have maneuverability later to amend their statement if they get negative feedback or if they change their stance on an issue. The reason for the change is simple. We have the internet to quickly fact check what a person says. No longer can a politician rely on a persons convenient memory or the lack of accurate memory. So rather than make bold statements and to tell us exactly what their intentions are, they say little and use their camps to slant, distort, exaggerate or flat out lie about their opponent and the other party. Political partys, politicians, the press, every media source and even the everyday citizen will now rely on demonizing the opposition. People in politics and those reporting on it have come to a point where they would rather try to make someone afraid of the party/politicians from the other side of the aisle in their effort to have someone from their party choice elected. While I have enjoyed NBC and applaud them for giving us this site to air our opinions, this story, with it's headline, is a perfect example and here is why I say it.
The president made a comment recently to the person from Russia that was not intended for everyone to hear. It was a true 'hot mic' moment. Personally, the comment made by Obama wasn't something that I feel was in any way a bad thing. Russia is not the enemy we once feared. We may no longer even have the need for the current missile set-up as in the past. The missile set-up as been there for a long time. Maybe it is time that we rethink our program. But because it is controversial and this is an election year, the comment was pounced on and has been used by the republicans to taint the president. It may be looked at by some as damaging and that is what the republicans want. Welcome to today's political agenda.
Then comes this story. Now it appears that NBC is trying to make a 'hot mic' moment against Romney. I say they "may" be because there isn't anything to collaborate the story. Who was Romney talking to? Did anyone else hear those comments? Are we simply to believe that an NBC associate (Garrett Haake) happened to be so close to overhear statements that would this controversial? It doesn't seem to make much sense to me that Romney would say things in public unless he wanted them to be known. It seems to me that is all to convenient; at least at this time. If it comes to light that many others heard Romney saying these things, then I will believe it. I used to have respect for NBC. But after they were caught editing the 911 tapes in the Trayvn Martin matter, they have lost my respect and I am now dubious about what they say until it is proved to be accuarate.
The article goes on to say that all the president has to do is win half dozen swing states and he'll win the election. I hope so. But does it bother anyone else that the country has been driven to such a point where politics as divided this country so much that elections can almost be determined this early before an election? Red states. Blue states. Swing states. What I would like to see are 50 swing states. Make politicians say and do what is best for the country and let the people decide who they want to lead us. Instead, political partys seek to divide and conquer. They want almost complete certainty before the outcome so they don't have to actually have to be held to promises they can't keep. But it doesn't stop there. They do the same thing in shaping our laws. Presidents appoint people to the Supreme Court that they feel they can count on to support their ideals. Rather than having an unbiased court that would rule on matters on it's merits we have nine people who will vote according to the people who appointed them more times than not. In turn we have laws shaped by political partys instead of laws enacted or ruled upon that benefit the nation as a whole.
I will come back here from time to time, but not on a regular basis. I feel that this site has become the same as FOX. Both entities are pushing their very biased thoughts down our throats with little credibility or facts to back them up.
In the mean time I will be hoping that president Obama wins a second term. At this point I feel that he is the far better choice over Romney. But I will be listening carefully to what each has to say throughout the remainder of the time to the elections and will vote my conscience at that time. I encourage everyone to do the same.
I wish I had the choice to be a stay-at-home mom --- with 11 houses and apartments, 28 cars, a full-time chauffeur, 4 full-time "housekeepers", a full-time cook, and a full-time gardener (with a full slate of illegal immigrants to do the actual work.) But Mrs. Romney proudly states that she did it all herself because she didn't have a nanny.
With an effective tax rate of less than 4% (the 14% that is touted in the press is inaccurate because it does not include Romney's income from Cayman Island shell companies where income is never declared because it is continuously shuffled between shell companies and taking advantage of "grace" periods.
One good point that is never being discussed by anyone is that companies like Bain Capital have dirtier hands in the Bush Depression than people seem to think. In the past --- going back to the beginnings of business --- companies used to put aside liquid, often cash, reserves. They well knew that constant growth was a pipe dream for the silly and knew all about business cycles. By keeping the cash reserves, they could use "down" cycles to retool or diversify or just hunker down and ride it out --- but most important of all, they could retain their skilled and semi-skilled workers and be prepared when the next "up" cycle came. But Bain and others destroyed that forever. They sought out these companies with good liquid reserves in order to use those very rerserves to finance stripping the company of all its assets and then charging the company consulting fees to take them into bankruptcy. This sort of thing discouraged companies from keeping liquid reserves at all and vastly encouraged the extremely high take-the-money-and-run styles of upper management. And those skilled and semi-skilled workers --- they became an expense rather than an asset.
As this country slides in measure after measure of its effectiveness, the GOP is selling the future of this country for political gain. We are seeing the largest number of people, largely white women and children, being dropped into poverty with no way out. This country has the largest decline in standard of living of any country not at war. Really something for the GOP to be proud of.
I'm not in love with Obama (didn't vote for him in '08), but I'm voting for him in '12 because it's better than the alternative. I feel like there are no real alternatives for the majority of the people. Here in Wisconsin, we've seen the damage that this radical, hateful Tea Party can do, and as long as the Republicans pander to them, I'm a Democrat by default to keep the damage to our society to a minimum.
Well, this was just precious.
One day Romney is gushing to the NRA that "all moms are working moms" (as he pouts about a comment that rich women like his wife don't worry about juggling work and family because she "never worked a day in her life").
And the next he's telling us that welfare moms need to put their kids in daycare and get a job because he "wants the individuals to have the dignity of work." (So welfare moms aren't moms, they're individuals? And therefore they don't already "work", unlike rich (real) moms?)
Is doublethink hereditary or learned? Inquiring minds want to know.
Obama/Biden 2012
The only sane choice
Bill -- My guess is you do not understand the word FAIR. Fair doesn't always mean equal. Fair could mean a level playing field. As an adverb it means without cheating or trying to achieve unjust advantage.
Go look at the tax codes now. That's fair territory to speak out for change.
Oops, Rombot Previews Bain Capital Administration:
In his talk with Florida supporters, the Mittronic Rombot gave away the cruel reality of how his administration would work. Just as with corporate acquisitions, he will combine and then line out all of the programs that have supported the middle class and the poor. The "Bain Way", you might say, is to put soon to be eliminated programs under another Cabinet department and then cut them into non-existence. Just like you do when acquiring corporations you plan to rape into the ground to squeeze out every penny.
Because, "I'm not concerned about the very poor". I'm sure he'll give every citizen a chance to trim the White House hedges or walk the dog. All the while, Rombot will be screwing the pooch.
Good post, Chris.
Meet the Press was a joke. Part of me wanted Sen. Gillabrand to argue the points put forward by Rep. Bachmann - "gas is more expensive now than when Obama took over!" - "Yes, Michelle, but not as expensive as when George Bush was in the Oval Office - and the price is currently coming down!"
But she did not, preferring to contrast her behaviour with the rants of a talking head. It worked.
David Gregory might be proved smarter than we give him credit for because Rep. Bachmann came across as a fool. Given enough rope, she will hang herself.
On another subject, Obama raises money from 567,000 donors, Karl Rove gets $10 mill from one. On the surface, Obama's 567,000 votes beat Romney's 1 vote hands down - but we all know how this pathetic system works. Both sides will spend the money on attack ads so the math instantly changes and the odds increase in Rove's favor. The sheep will go into this election after being pummelled into a belief that Romney is going to do great things for women and hispanics. If Romney gets elected, the etch-a-sketch goes into overdrive!
Gosh, the Clown Posse is out in full force this morning - the red nose lights are a blinking! Must have received their marching orders during the Friday night DDI session from the Great Leader and Head Clown.
Keep spinning away folks - November is coming fast.
ABSOLUTELY GIDDY
Yay..I'm Ann Romney, a "kept" woman...a woman of means, a mother with a 29 year old baby...
and My husband and I think that if you have a two year old, and you are on public assistance...you should put that kid in daycare.
Belfast Lad:
How about a fact for a change? When Bush left office, gas was right around $1.89 a gallon.
I watched MTP yesterday and said the same exact thing to myself after it was over. Gregory doesn't even come close to Tim Russert.
Fairfax Bill-
Sorry, but you really missed the point w the Vonnegut quote. Kinda like using a passage from Mein Kampf to make a point about religious tolerance. I had to reread to see if i missed a failed attempt at sarcasm, but as Houston politely pointed out, KV is (and always has been) about as far left as one can be. Will you next quote Ghandi to justify military action in Syria?
wow. romney saying what he's said he will do is so much like obama saying he will do something different after the election!
Thank you Mr Romney, I and many other Americans concur!
It was obama who increased the size of the Fed by over 14% in his first 2 years alone! This at a time when the rest of the economy was retracting!!! It will take a long time to undo the damage of the obama administration...!!! History will recognize obama's administration as the worst in our history!
So wait a minute. Mittens says he wants a Republican DREAM act, but not so long ago he said he'd veto a DREAM act if he were President? How would a Republican DREAM act be fundamentally different?
Ryan is so hard-up and desperate for VP hes out walking Mitt's dog !!!
I realize he won't voice details (except in accidental cases like this one) because it would cost votes, but I'm all for consolidation and elimination of many federal agencies. In fact, I think each agency should go through this type of review at least once every 5 to 10 years.
Can you say etch-a-sketch? Obama/Biden 2012 Rodham-Clinton 2016
Who donated the mystery 10 mil., was it Cheney trying out his NEW heart?
How much more does the voter need to realize the scope in which the Republicans will shut down this country and the "American way of life", which for decade after decade has been the envy of the world?
Romney wants to shut down HUD and diminish the Dept of Education. There you have it. The choice is yours to make on election day.
Ann Romney never had to balance a checkbook much less working and family life. What she thinks about the economy means as much as what my dog thinks about the economy. Rosen's comment was right on target.
I've held the opinion for a long time that David Gregory should never be the moderator at MTP. Too biased. Haven't watched much since Gregory took the spot.
stop, stop please... it is obama who is slowly succeeding in turning our great country into another Argentina.... socialism has never worked, read your history!
Russia and China are excited about obama's 'progress', Americans should be frightened!
AN HONEST QUESTION (for feedback/discussion):
OK, gang. I have an honest question for this thread, and I am seeking knowledge (I really want to know, I'm not being smug).
Preface: This article and/or Mr. Romney's remarks, as noted in the article, uses the term "Latino." I am embarrassed to admit that I do not know the modern lexicon/common usage difference between the term "Latino" and the term "Hispanic"?
I think that I hear the two terms used interchangeably (or perhaps that's only my perception because I don't understand or recognize the differing context for the use of the two different terms). Is there a difference? If so, when should one use the term "Latino" and when should one use the term "Hispanic."
I don't mean the Webster's Dictionary difference, mind you. I want to understand the modern/common lexicon usage difference for use of the two terms.
Who can help me out? And individual opinions are just fine, since that's what these discussion boards are all about.
Thanks, all. I try to learn something every day. ;-)
A functioning government is the real Dream Act.
Robert,
Not 100% sure but I think it's like a German American, or Italian American, etc in reference to heritage.
All Latinos are Hispanic because the linage goes back to Spain. However if you were born in Latin America you are Latino.
The definition is virtually the same for both.
Robert and Bobby Jones,
Even the Government isn't sure of the distiction between Hispanic and Latino. In the census questionnaire you can chose to be either one (hispanic or latino) under the classification of Race. I think Bobby Jones is correct.
Bill in Virgina - Your are a hoot! It appears a work of fiction has become your near reality. There are many antipsychotic meds available to treat your multiple problems and personalities. You just need to reach out for professional help, damn sorry if you don't have adequate health care benefits. Hang in there 2014 is coming! You teabaggers are hysterically funny, many thanks for the laughs.
Your exactly right, he has major plans to get rid of all social programs and give people enough education to do a job but not enough to think about making there life better. She's no housewive, a house princess thats for sure.
Spider: Please re-read what I wrote. I think you will find that gas was averaging over $4 per gallon during part of the time the time Pres. Bush was in office. That is more than it is currently averaging. So what was Bachmann's point? If nothing else, it proves that the price of gasoline depends upon global supply and demand.
Check it out rather than listening to Fox for your information.
Fiesty..I couldn't agree with you more on everything you said. Especially the David Gregory comments though, because that guy has been garbage since Day 1 if you ask me. They need someone like a Lawrence O'Donnell on there that's going to speak truth to power and hold everyone accountable for what they say.
Should taxes in 'Investments' and 'Dividends' be higher?
There's a very good reason that Investments and Dividends are taxed at a lower rate of about 15%. For Investments, the Capital Gains rate is lower because these are typically riskier long term investments that help foster economic growth and create jobs, and the lower rate helps offset the extra taxes caused by inflation – for example, if inflation is 40% over the time the investment is held, and the tax rate on investments is raised to 30%, they will have to pay extra taxes on the 40% of 'phantom income' caused by inflation, in addition to any REAL gain.
For Dividends, these are typically from a corporation that has already paid income taxes on the shareholder's portion of the profits – often at 35%, which means that forcing them to pay an additional 30% is actually causing them to pay a tax rate of close to 60% on the same income (Double taxation).
If you want to stifle investments needed for economic growth and jobs, the 'Buffett Rule' will certainly do that – in addition to causing the stock market, and many people's retirement accounts, to drop in value
dramatically, as well as causing many more layoffs. Even the Democrats in Congress won't support Obama on this, so it's merely a 'Class Warfare' campaign tactic by Obama.
It seems like a straight-forward distinction to me. If you're from Europe you could be hispanic but you wouldn't be latino. If you're from South America you could be both latino and hispanic or just latino. It's like how you can have a white guy from South Africa be an African American without being black.
Funny you should bring up a REAL Job Toasty, since Barry promised the unemployment figures would not go above 8% and they are still WAY above that figure, how would you even expect her, or anyone else for that matter to find a job? Why do you think everyone has time to waste on NV all day?
Tell me, do you begrudge Oprah her billions or is it just Republicans that work hard that you are so jealous of?
If these candidates can raise so much money to campaign, WHY do we need income taxes? Just let the candidates raise the money they need for their projects without taxation.
'Hot-mike moment?' Please, someone, reference the link showing Romney's 'hot-mike moment,' other than the video of Todd and Haake talking FOR WHAT ROMNEY SAID (which can come under the scope of hearsay).
Up until now, 'hot-mike' usually has included video of the referenced person actually saying what he/she was purported to say. Is the definition of 'hot-mike' now open for re-definition? If not, a link to Romney's 'hot-mike moment,' please, other than "...hot-mike moment, if you will..."). I'll check back later, if someone would be so kind to provide a link to Romney's subject 'hot-mike moment.'
Come on people, the AX wan't ambushed, he just blew the interview. For such a great intelligent person, he wan't prepared.
But then again, when you believe you are on top, you become complacent and come out of the situation with egg on your face.
Why blame the person interviewing libs, blame the person responding to the questions. Or isn't this fair in the liberal midset?
So the Romneys are "giddy over the Hilary Rosen flap" . . . Ha!
Yes, Ann, we all agree mothering is a full time and difficult job . . . and your choice to stay home is fine. However, you live a very sheltered, privileged, comfortable and pampered life. There's no denying that! There are many women who would love the option of being a full-time mother too, but are not in a position to do so.
And yes, we know about your health issues, but what about the working mother mother who has serious medical conditions too? She doesn't have the luxury of constant care and time off as you do. And if she has to leave her job for any length of time to care for her illness, she may lose her job and a paycheck, and might be forced to seek welfare, food stamps, etc. all those "entitlements" your husband wants to eliminate. Then what? Of course, that never crossed your mind as you are well taken care of.
Sorry, Ann, but you really haven't a clue . . . there's no way you can relate to the majority of women just as your husband cannot relate to the 99% er's.
Furthermore Ann, your oldest son is 42, the youngest is 31. THEY ARE GROWN MEN. It seems to me that many years have past since they were youngsters who may have needed a mother at home. That's no longer the case. So how can you justify that you're still home – and NOT WORKING at a job outside the home?
As far as Mitt, who claims mothering is a permanet job -- surprise, surprise Mitt – so is fathering.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!
Feisty and Brad: Spot on regarding MTP!
I am see MTP becoming like Today and Morning Joe (should be Morning with Mika!). NBC is being ruined by trying to become more tabloid like Fox rather than stand as a journalistic news foundation. Gregory is a lightweight in a heavy weight job and he knows it. Same for the frat-boy Pat Buchannan Wannabe Joe Scarborough- except he doesn't know it because he is a knowitall. Today has become a tabloid joke - especially after the Palin trick: they lost me on that one!
If NBC was smart, they would put Rachel Maddow in as MTP commentator - she's intelligent, educated, has a great memory, knows history and politics, sites sources, asks thoughtful and relevant questions, and has the character to present MTP in a middle of the road light tho she is a liberal. Gregory is an affront to common sense when it comes to questions and followups. MTP is now no different from the rest of the Sunday morning circus.
I am finding that the good journalists are writing and are easy to find online. However, NBC's new UP and MLH shows are very good indeed!
As for the Romoneys and the RepubliCON Party: they lie in ways I have never seen in my life. I will never vote Republican again. It will take generations to clean up the mess that has become the Republican Party. Trickle Down Economics had 30 years to prove itself and look where we are! Just look at state legislatures and the wacko laws being passed there to understand that Repubs will say ANYTHING to get elected and then put their party over country in motion!
Our US Government does not need a CEO. We have a President in place who has managed to accomplish more than the Republicans have done FOR America in years - and with the Repubs trying to stall him and stop him at every turn! In fact, The RepubliCONS have proven themselves to put party over country. You cannot run a business as if it were a government any more than you can run a government as if it were a business. The bottom line of Corporate Interests/business is profit. The bottom line of the United States of America, our government, is us, We the People. Corporations are most certainly not people and anyone who makes that argument is like a slimy used car salesman.
I am never voting for a Republican again in my lifetime. Not even for dogcatcher! I love my country too much to such a thing! I am voting a streaight Democratic ticket in November and I hope enough people do it to send a strong and undeniable message to the Clown Party with Corporate Interests as The Wizard behind the Republican Curtain. In fact, Repubs: Tear down your walls!
"Latino" vs. "Hispanic" discussion:
So if I understand the feedback, so far, "Hispanic" would be the broader, more all-embracing term (inclusive of all peoples of Spanish descent regardless of place of birth or origin); whereas "Latino" is more specific to place of origin; such as from Latin America?
If I have this correct (and remember, I'm asking only about common lexicon usage), in the absence of specific knowledge of someone's place of origin, then "Hispanic" would be the broader, and by extension more reliably accurate descriptive term to describe a person's ethnicity?
Do I have this right? (I sort of hope so, since "Hispanic" is the term I most typically use ... if only because I am just not used to saying the word "Latino"; and this makes it easier for me ... no need to think! HA! ;-)
yet isn't that the holy mantra of the far right? "get a job" even when there aren't any to be found. but if the rich get richer, and control an ever greater share of all the wealth, somehow, that magically means "jobs for all"
I think we used to call this kind of propoganda bait and switch. Tell the people what they want to hear now and pretend like their extremists aren't frothing at the reins until they are elected and then simply doing exactly as they have been saying all along and that is imprisoning these people and sending them back out of the country.
I doubt the hispanics, the women that have been listening, the education departments across the nation, the elderly on social security, the people with no healthcare, the people on unemployment, the housing and urban and development, etc, etc, etc are simply not falling for the republicans bait and switches any longer. These extremists are the number one threat to national secuirty now and they seriously need to be dealt with. This November's elections is simply a first step.
To the guy trying to understand terms for race...the older generation says, The "Cisco Kid" was Hispanic, and when "Chico and the man" came on tv, it changed to Latino!...............yes tongue in cheek-o.......
I've been reading these posts and I am amazed at all the misconceptions you left-wing liberals have been indoctrinated with concerning Romney's plans.......and that so many of you ignorant people are gather in one place to puke out your ignorance.
AND.....Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
How is it you always seem to be the very first liberal to post in these reports on right-wingers - you just have to get the bashing started for your troops of zombies - show them which way to think, set the temp, rouse the rabble, don't you! I PERSONALLY BELIEVE YOU ARE A DNC WORKER WHO IS IN CHARGE OF REBEL ROUSING ALL THE OTHER LEFTIES OUT THERE THAT BELIEVE ALL YOUR CRAP. YOU ARE A SHILL - I'VE SEEN YOUR TYPE MANY TIMES. GO AWAY A LET YOUR FEEBLE MINDED FOLLOWERS THINK FOR THEMSELVES FOR ONCE.
AND...don't any of you left-wing nuts think I'll respond to your calling me out, because I believe that if you argue with fools pretty soon no one will be able to tell us apart.
Got in on this one late. Forgive me for I have to work to pay my fair share of taxes cuz the richest 1% wont. Anyway, I see the rwnj's have infested this story but good. Don't even think Orkin can get rid of them. They're all weighing in with the usual Rovian drivel. Let's see there's spider, mygirl, fedupwithfed, winemaker and today's troll award winner Brianb. Even good ole' Roy Wilson chipped in a turd for the cause. Awful funny that these folks b--ch about the left not working, yet none of these guys seem to have better things to do. HMMMM! As Robert Plant sang "Ooooh and makes me wonder" Well hats off to David Walker for what I think is the most entertaining post on here.
DON'T WORRY, WE WONT, Mr. all caps because he thinks he has something important to say.
the exact same thing can very well be said about the right-wingers, spouting huge amounts of blind ignorance without a single fact to back it up. then they start spouting a bunch of ridiculous nonsense about imaginary "socialists" and "communists" "out to destroy America".
what an incredibale load of idiotic crap
AnIndependent!
I'm ashamed to admit it but, I voted for Reagan in my very first election in 1980 - it's been straight Democratic from there on out! Until they manage to reign in the bat @!$%# crazies who have hijacked the once Grand Old Party they will continue to lose more & more demographics...
PS: Thanks for your thoughts on MTP - I think Brian Williams would make a great moderator!
Have a nice evening!
Hiya Tony!
Any idea who pissed in this nut jobs pasta?
Might not be a bad idea for them to look into a local anger management class...
Romney’s Federal Disclosures Missed 26 Accounts
www.newsmax.com
Mitt is so honest, really? According to this article he has over 2 DOZEN foreign bank accounts which he failed to disclose to the FEC in his filings to run for office. Says he doesn't know about them, yet they are included in his tax returns, which he signed, which is an admnission of knowing! In addition for those of you saying he doesn't work for Bain anymore and hasn't for years, he reported doing millions in "consulting" for them. He plans on doing a Bain on all of us! He even admitted he isn't concerned about the very poor. Such a good christian position for all you holy rollers out there. The man is a weasel.
When it comes to his wife and Rosens comment, I agree with her completely. Ann Romney doesn't have a clue. She has never worked outside the home, never had to. She employs cooks, maids, yard crews and does not qualify to use the term "sacrifice". Sacrifice is living in a small space, shopping at Goodwill, eating hotdogs instead of filet mignon, forgoing vacations, counting every penny so that one can stay home. Give me a break!
As far as Obama being a far left wing socialist, that is a laugh. It is only becasue our politics are being dragged so far to the right that it is hard to see that he is actually pretty much in the middle. Under the right wing conditions of the republican party we have now Eisenhower wouldn't have had a chance, and it would be pretty iffy for Reagan too.
Who knows. Maybe the missus cut him off and that's why he's venting at you. Anyway, a woman with a brain is something they can't handle. IF you're smarter than mama grizz, forget it.
The GOP is scraping the bottom of the barrel with Mr. Flip Flopper, don't vote for this pagan in disguise as a Mormon !
Maybe Hispanic means from the Islands like Hispaniola and Latino means mainland Latin America.....But I really don't know....It is a very interesting query though and I intend to research it....Thank you for giving me something cool to learn about on the web....I am always interested in cultural things...Maybe I should have been a cultural anthropologist...
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
I think some of your anger is because you where probably the one hold out in obamas secret service agents romp that caused the police to show up - if I were you I wouldn't go back to that hotel - I think they know may you there now! Sitck with tonybeeerm, he seems to be more your type - a zombie!
......just stating a personal opinion
Looks like liberals are really scratching the bottom of the barrel with this one. Really? Trying to compare a single mother on welfare to a stay at home mom with a husband who provides for the family? Apples and oranges...you people really need to step up your game.
Psst... YOU are aware about what they say about opinions & @!$%#s?
Thank YOU so much for proving my point...
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Well, well the Shill from Il.........the secret service is looking for your phone number! I think you must have been a big hit.
psssssst: posting opinions also seems to be a speciality of yours, don't live in a glass house, now go get yourself a saucer of milk!
Yes FUWF, but then we discovered that your boy Bush had damaged the economy FAR more than anyone had predicted. With that in mind, it's no wonder you want to change the subject...
Bill Thomas: China has Walmart employees in union jobs...of course they're laughing at us.
To all who believe Romney would make make an adequate leader, one word...Dressage...
That class is full, with you and all your zombies
Ruth A Lopez
Dear Mrs. Romney,
Perhaps you can advise me since you have raised 5 boys, I'm sure you'll understand. One of the kids is sick again and I have no sick days left at work. In fact, my boss gave me a bad performance review and no raise this year because he said I obviously don't care that much about my job since I've missed so many days and if I miss anymore he may have to replace me. Whenever my child gets sick, my boss reminds me how easily I can be replaced.
We don't have health insurance at my job, so, if my boy gets worse, I'll probably be at the ER most of the night tonight. Not for the first time, but that's ok, he'll get care. It's tomorrow I'm worried about.
As you know, regular day care will not take a sick child, so if I want to work when my child is sick, I have to pay for sick child day care, which costs as much as I make, and, as I'm sure you know from personal experience, I still have to pay my regular day care, whether my child is there or out sick, so I actually lose money in order to work while he's sick. It's that or take a chance on losing my job entirely.
Should I take my child to the day care for sick kids and lose money and not have enough for my bills this month, so I can keep my job, or should I stay home with my sick child and hope that I don't get fired?
What did you do when this happened to you
It's sort of interesting how Fiesty Redhead is the FIRST poster in so many of these political stories. I wonder what Fiesty's job is with the MSNBC staff. Perhaps Fiesty is a pseudonym for Garret Haak.
I mean... come on! THIS is a news story, that Mitt Romney told donors something he's holding close to the vest. And just where has Garret Haak been during all those closed door Obama meeting? We've already seen how George Stephopholis, former Democratic White House Operative, helped set up the phone "war on women" during the Republican Debate. It's just shocking the lengths the main stream media and MSNBC will go to prop up Obama.
BTW, still waiting for the FIRST MSNBC news story on NBC's malicious editing of George Zimmerman's phone call to the 911 dispatcher.
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Who was ever critical of Ann Romney as a mother???
The comment Hilary Rosen made was that Ann Romney had never worked outside the home. How does that translate into criticizing her as a mother?
It's the usual GOP spin. Ann Romney must be one dizzy broad.
I used to think more highly of her, but now I see she's just a flip-flopper like her husband.
I do have to admit, right up until they actually had to do something, something more than be just total partisan obstructionist for the past three years, the republicans have been very honest and vocal about what they have planned for what they consider the little people in this nation. Their motto has been that if it weren't for the little people, we'd all be republicans. They'd then move on about how they plan to use across the states profiling to rid the nation of the immigrants and anyone that looks like one and then on to wiping out OSHA amd the EPA before filling the job gaps with little people and they would then name those little people independant contractors so they could shirk any form of benefit responsibility and work them as many hours a day as they chose with no worker protection laws in place after wiping OSHA out. They then have gone on to tell how they intend to wipe out Rowe v Wade and ban contraceptions and some of these communist republicans have also gone as far as to say they would have the death penalty for women that miscarry. They have been vocal about how they believe women's place is in the home raising the kids while thier spouse works those 16 hour 2$ an hour jobs to hopefully scratch the bill in just paying their landlords rents. They have gone on to say they support the medical professions constant raising of their prices and their premiums. Republicans have said they believe that responsible 2$ an hour workers should pay their medical fees out of their pockets or crawl off and die and hospitals should be legally able to refuse treating anyone without cash or insurance. Republicans also believe we should continue to pay for their insurances with our tax monies. Republicans let the american taliban into their party and have mated with them to the point they themselves have vocally become the american taliban themselves. Everythign they say they believe in comes from in their opinion, the orders from their Gods and fk the constitution.
all I can hope is that in the event romney were elected, then the moderate streak that he showed as governor would come back, much as obama went far more to the center when he was elected.
the fools screaming "obama is a socialist out to destroy the country!" seem to forget that the more left-leaning democrats are unhappy that Obama has not moved FAR ENOUGH to the left
So, socialcapitalist, what IS it? Either, motherhood is a full time job and Rosen was wrong OR mothers with kids over the age of two years need to work in the marketplace for money. Of course if you are a rich rhymes with witch, you can stay at home, but as Rosen pointed out, however inartfully, you don't get bonus points for that!
So he wants to hack away on the Department of Education, and put it on life support?
What ever happened to the Mormon saying, "The Glory of God is Intelligence"?
...sounds like Romney didn't do his homework! What an undereducated, unenlightened man! He must be pandering to the Ron Paul Anarchists !
well i guess the redumblicans should know what their intestines smell like with their heads so far up their arse how did the party of lincoln become total idiots?you actually believe rombot is your man really? here is a man who wants to turn goverment into a business by consolidating ok the short yellow bus has found its stop this man is a complete jerkoff only someone who has the type of money he has would want to make poor people poorer this not the 19 century when kings and queens ruled over the common people with an iron hand to simply cut programs that help the elderly the sick the disabled is really a stupid idea to him it seems logical because those are things he nor his family or circle of rich friends haved to worry about what happens when a grandmother who worked for 40-50 years but cant afford her meds or an ever increasing energy bill is he going to cut the program that helps with that or how about that sick child whos parents cant afford the proper care simply because its to expensive or that disabled guy who needs housing because hes DISABLED thru no fault of his own or a family that wants to buy their first home to escape living in a bad area the programs he wants gone help all those people and as far as ms rombot she wouldnt know how hard it is to juggle a nine to five and and raise children all with wondering if she will have time to go to her sons or daughters softball game or if her check will be enough to cover bills and food especially if shes a single mother which most are.ms flipflopper has no idea how hard society is on working parents today she had nannies ,cooks,gardners, drivers e.t.cshe doesnt know how people tend to look at single parents as if they want to be single understand this there is nothing lonelier then living with the wrong person.to put an end to things that maybe 40-50% of america needs would be absurd and would put this country in such a bad place we could end up like iraq or any third world country where the leaders dont care for their people ad you see what happens there
hey steve, it's just the return of the gilded age.
Hey Feisty,
aren't you the one who said Mitt should hand out Tacos at Taco bell to get the Latino vote?? That was disgusting.... no shame
If Mitt wants to keep bringing up his past,and using it as a model for his candidacy, he should back it up with his old tax returns for those years. He could say anything, which he usually does.
Does anyone really think Romney will "shrink government agencies"??? No!!!I remember, even Obama said the same thing two months ago......sounds like they are taking Ron Paul's ideas and using them in their campaign......the only thing is Obama and Romney are lying politicians...and have no intentions on following through with their (lies) promises.
I see here....many Obama supporters feel that republicans are the worst and the republicans feel that the Dems are the worst.....AND that they feel that they HAVE to for either one of these evil guys (or the lesser of the two evils??? why?
You dont have to.....if you are not happy with either....dont vote for them....They BOTH suck, and offer us nothing....Obama has given us a few laws that take away our freedoms....and limit out right to protest....that guy should be FIRED!!!! and Mitt is no different!
There are other choices....the race is NOT over!
Did you know a military grade satellite-under cover of FBI investigations-destroys citizens by manipulating their health without the target even knowing and sometimes using the same program the FBI can use a series of perfectly synchronized investigative pretexts to derail the target from employment, relationships, friends, ect also usually without the target ever knowing it where war time powers are concealed within the safety of national security investigations...
If that statement were to be true, what do you think the public's reaction to it should be?
Rich - I'm going out on limb and guessing that statement is not true. The public and I think the correct action is to place you in a straight jacket and rubber room. Boy do you need help
I understand that a sufficient quantity of tinfoil wrapped around your head will protect you from those government satellites
Coffee Cups:
Although we have enough junk at our house, on Saturday my wife and I decided to check out some yard sales. At one particular location there was an assortment of coffee mugs. I commented that the Republicans have already released some mugs that say something like, "All Moms Are Working Moms". An independent-minded lady standing next to me responded with, "Every household has 5 times more mugs than they well ever use. What a waste of clay."
She wasn't finished. "Those grumpy old Republican men must think women are really stupid. Do they really think a coffee cup will change the thinking of women? If Romney wants the women's vote, he will have to craft policy that will protect women's reproductive rights and improve their economic well being."
"But it's too late for that. Romney has already stated that he does not support the Affordable Healthcare Act, would defund Planned Parenthood, discontinue the Women, Infant, and Children program (WIC), and he supports the Paul Ryan budget. Even though he is a flip-flopper, it is impossible for even him to reverse himself on all these issues. Romney will carry the conservative, War on Women agenda all the way to the general election."
Her comments were music to my ears, so I bought a plain old mug. I needed something to hold those old John McCain tire pressure gages that depicted Obama's policy to reduce gas consumption. Guess those old tire pressure gages didn't garner many votes either.
Un huh. That story has about as much validity as Garrett's headline over the weekend- something to the effect of, under pressure from Obama, Romney files for tax extension.
Obama's gum flapping had nothing at all to do with Romney's filing for an extension- I believe he files for one every year.
Then again, this network is not at all associated with truthful reporting, now, is it?
As for your total recall of every single word spoken by some lady at a garage sale- all I can say, Ron, is you've got to be kidding.
Now, here is something that IS an actual quote-
Is it not strange that something said publicly to someone from their own network got lost in the "news"?
My, my- what else might have been overlooked by the network that doctors audio tapes to feed a narrative?
yo nj bj-
what does Obama liking Colombia have to do with the fact that Romney wants to target education and the poor as soon as he gets in office?
nice red herring technique, not really working...
“Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work,” Romney describing his position as Massachusetts governor. “And people said, ‘Well that’s heartless,’ and I said ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’”
Why should my daughter have to put her 2 year old in daycare while paying taxes to support the welfare mother who sits at home on her butt! We are already paying for the welfare mother's and her 2 year old's food, clothing and housing! It's a matter of principle.
Nice Try there Indiana RON. Why can women murder their own babies legally, is that right for the baby? What about the baby's rights? With the talking point laid out so crudely, looks like you are a seminar troll.
Can't we just fire them all and start over? When my computer doesn't work, I reboot it. The Dems and Repubs haven't worked for quite some time. Reboot?
Off topic, but let's consider the upcoming election and gasoline prices at the pump. The president is to blame for the high cost of gasoline. Now I can just hear the liberals screaming "IT'S NOT THE PRESIDENT'S FAULT!!!" They will rail that it's the speculator's fault and the president has nothing to do with higher gas prices. To that I say BS!!! It is directly the president's fault we are paying $4.00+ at the pump. Here in South Florida, I pay $4.09 for regular unleaded.
To educate the liberals on why it's the president's fault - In the 50's, it cost 2 silver dimes per gallon of gasoline. Today, it costs the same 2 silver dimes for a gallon of gasoline. The reason we pay $4.00+ at the pump is the devaluation of the dollar. This, the president has direct control over. If you were to place a dollar value on 2 silver dimes, you would find that the valuation is equal to the same amount as in the 50's. The only thing that has changed is the value of our currency.
This president needs to go before he destroys our economy (if he hasn't already done so)... and shred our Constitution to unrecognizable parts.
Last I checked fetuses aren't babies. I heard there was even a SCOTUS ruling and everything.
No, the reason we pay $4 at the pump is the industrialization of China, India, and Brazil.
I suggest you educate yourself on the global oil market.
Do your homework - I'd target the federal education department and shut it down in a heartbeat. Education is a local issue and the federal government does not need to be involved in teaching our children. They don't teach anything other than corruption. Liberals have been saying for years that republicans want to target the poor, but in all the years they have been saying it, it has never come true. Liberals can keep up the lies, but that's all they are.... lies. The democratic playbook has several untruth's written in it. Republicans don't target social security and medicaid... the only ones I've ever seen target them are democrats... and if you don't believe me... what is a provision in the ACA (Obamacare) for the reduction in medicaid spending by $500 billion? This has never been done until the democrats wrote that as a provision in Obamacare.
Raising 5 kids in a wealthy household has NOTHING to do with understanding the day to day money problems the average family goes thru. The Romneys are elitist and that attitude was shared by silver-spoon-boy Bush and if this idiot is elected we are in for more warmonger years of feeding money to corporations...after all, corporations are people....right?
"People who live in Glass Houses shouldn't throw stones". Welcome Mr. Romney, what goes around comes around. Don't talk about "open mic's" when your guilty of the same thing.
Compare the embarrassing hot-mic of President Obama , with the Russian ruler, offering desmantel some of our nuke in his second termn, is not even close in importance with Romney comments. This government is too big , and delegate education to the states is the right thing to do. This is something that the State of Maryland blue state is doing now, with their localities, bacause their state deparment of education is too big and too honerous for their budget.
It's too obvious Garrett Haake is a Liberal hack.
Ron, Indiana- ignore no joe as she has trouble remembering anything! So, to her it is hard to believe you remember an conversation. However, she's good at remembering stupidity - it's all she has.
As Feisty showed in her collapsed post (seems the right just hates the truth) it is another week of Romney whining about something while he sneaks the knife in. And, Feisty, love the "birthday gift" to Ann. Hopefully for their anniversary or whatever, we'll give them more vacations to their 9 homes. Ann can ride the car elevator up and down as many times as she wants while Mitt sits and moans "why don't they like me?"
Michael1969 (in the collapsed group)— - Tim Russert could walk circles around most political commentators today. He is sorely missed as a sane, intelligent voice. Now why does it not surprise me that you like Michelle Bachmann? My guess is you like your women stupid - just like Michelle. Notice how she couldn't answer questions and did the Palin thing of just sticking to the GOP talking points since she had nothing of value to say. Stupid woman - but the only women left in the GOP are missing most of their minds.
I see Brianb is back with his lies and stupidity. Oh yes, let's abolish the Dept of Ed so those who are unintelligent can decide what is taught - like they do in Texas and Arizona. My guess is Brianb - you would be happy if women were taught nothing and those who you consider less important than you - were only taught how to read and write. Please, you're such an idiot!
No Joe at 2.2: subtlety escapes you and FOX. Did you ever hear of saying something to be nice and diplomatic? Or even just a little joke. I realize you think that Bill Maher is a political commentator with a direct line to the White House, while we know for a fact that Limbaugh and Hannity are jokes/clowns masquerading as news. But again - it's subtlety.
Areyoubuying this... a bit of advice. Don't cast stones in a glass house. Your elitist president is still involved in warmongering and he hasn't a clue as to what the average person lives like. You can try to blame everyone in the universe, but you first need to look within your own party for people that do the exact same thing as you blame everyone else for.
yes brianb, I see-
many republicans want to shut down the department of education. yes, we should certainly leave education to the local provinces, without any outside influence. You see how well some states teach their children even with federal help, can you imagine if they were left to themselves?
btw, I'm thinking about a lot of southern red states as I write this.
go ahead- argue with this...
Gotta love Romney, for rich women, raising children is work, but for poor women let's subsidize child care and get them working to add to their "dignity".
Don't you love double standards!
Which Haake overheard because he was sitting on a seawall outside the house....
Creepy liberal reporters sitting outside houses waiting to hear ANYTHING they can use. Sounds about right. Sounds illegal, too.
Where has Obama warmongered?
If they aren't trespassing on private property, it isn't illegal.
Gotta love conservative thinking, what about a babies right? Except we don't want to have to provide for all those babies that aren't wanted, we will just let them starve to death or go into an already taxed system. Because that is what drug addicts and things do, they don't take the time to adopt, they abuse and neglect until they go into the system and all of you conservatives want nothing to do with those abused children. You want the shiny pink babies, bastards.
Like Conservatives don't report on Obama's hot mic moments. Ghost you are an idiot.
Actually Sanity - The right just hates Fiesty because she never tells truth. The only thing that comes out of her keyboard is hatred and lies. She's a typical liberal that hates anything conservative, or anything that threatens her progressive liberalism (sic socialism)
and again Brianb making accusations against the President with nothing but his weird mind to back him up. Again with the "socialism" stupidity. Don't you realize that the minute you post that word it shows how lacking in credibility you are? You're off in the right wing la-la land where you parrot all the words thrown out that the like of Beck and Rush want you to believe. How truly sad you have no mind of your own.
President Obama is moving us out of wars. If Romney wins the GOP will take us into new wars - it's their way of running things. They never saw a country they didn't want to fight.
Because anything Romney says is truth? On a hot mic he admitted to pretty much lying to get elected then he would drop the ball on us. Who cares if someone on newsvine lies? I don't collapse any posts.
I would rather see an honest candidate from the right.
Nothing wrong with his "open mic." Though it was actually an eavesdropping NBC troll and not a profane nor a comment intended to assure America's enemies that they can have their way with us after the election, which is what we get from the Obama administration. And Romney's comments are actually policy issues with which many voters agree.
Time to put UP or SHUT UP - PROVE it Brian!
Show where I have EVER told ONE lie on this board... unlike, you & NJNB who are confirmed serial liars!
Come on Brian, are you man enough to take the challenge?
Colorado yes, many extreme right agree with that. He knows the majority of Americans do not want the department of education eliminated. And he admitted that he was happy with the insult to his wife, he wasn't offended and he played the victim card. Very very unpresidential of him to have addressed it at all coming from a liberal media personality.
Colorado-Man - No one has assured enemies of the US they can have their way with us after the election. Your stupidity is showing as well as your need to lie. But, we expect nothing more.
Voters actually DO NOT AGREE with the stances Romney takes on policy issues as anyone with a brain can clearly see!
Jan - It's very simple - if you don't want to pay for all those unwanted babies, have those who opt for abortion stop doing the one thing that will create an unwanted baby. They need to eliminate sex in their lives. Since sex creates babies, it's the only cure to those ignorant people having unwanted children.
doyourhomework - are you that ignorant? The federal government is NOT the answer to every problem this country has. They regulate beyond belief and never seem to solve any problem. Since the federal government has become involved in education, where have all the improvements been made? ::crickets:: Just because you are prejudiced against southern states, doesn't mean they don't teach children well. They will never live up to the PC standards the northern states have imposed on them...
Ruken - How about Afganistan? Is Bin Laden dead? That was the objective. We need to get out now... and where is Obama on this? He's still CIC of our armed forces fighting and dying over there for what?
See Brianb, you can't legislate people from having sex, and they are going to do it. Its one of the strongest drives people have actually, propagation of the species its instinctive. While I would not have an abortion I am not going to sit around and be stupid enough to think I can dictate peoples lives, those children are going to happen. They do happen and many of them end up in the hospital costing millions of dollars as premies, ignored by their mothers until they take them home and abuse and neglect them. They are in an out of the system until they are seven or eight and then all of you conservatives no longer want to have to pay for them and you don't want to have to pay for their needs.
The problem with republicans is they lack any kind of reality.
Wow Brian if you would pay attention we have a set withdrawl day for afhganistan.
Every time Mitty steps to the mic it is a hot mic moment. The guy is so clueless he flips and flops on every single issue that he talks about. Outside of flipping and flopping, he flat out lies.
I dont trust the azzhole for one hot mic moment.
Sanity - the only person around here with zero credibility is you. You never address the issues I bring up, you only attack me and that is really ignorant. Your Alyniski method of detraction is really juvenile. I have come to the conclusion that you simply have no brains. In the battle of ideas, you lost back when you were an infant.
Prove that Romney will start a war. What's your method of evaluation? The way you blanket everyone under one category is complete lunacy. If Obama is going to get us out of our wars, how come he's building troops up in Africa? Do your homework idiot. Your liberal talking points are getting really old and stale.
Prove my assertions wrong about the president and the economy. Prove he hasn't aided in the devaluation of the dollar among world currencies. You can't... so therefore you type whatever nasty thought that comes to your inert brain. Do your homework... Wait.... you can't... you don't have 2 brain cells to rub together.... I forgot.
You want someone to prove a hypothetical future event?
Cite your source.
Prove he has. Cite your source.
a clear demonstration of brianb's complete absence of comprehension on the workings of the free-market, global economy
that is because most of "the issues you bring up" are nothing but red herrings designed to deflect the conversation from the subject at hand
Fiesty - shall I go back to every post you said about me and point out the lies? Shall I go back to every post you wrote about anyone you hate and show where all the lies are? That would be a waste of time... and in all reality quite boring. All those on the right know exactly where you lie and obfuscate the truth. It's a foregone conclusion you are one of the most hateful people on these boards. You attack without provocation and you are simply one nasty individual.
Is that enough for you? For me to prove that you are anything else but nasty, would be a huge lie...
Thanks for the personal attack, Jan, pretty sure that's against the rules here, but okay. Calling this an "open mic" moment and not an "eavesdropping reporter moment" is a bit of a stretch of the truth. Either way, I don't care who says what about who, liberal or conservative, or what have you. I would just prefer people stop lampshading everything to make one side sound better than it is. Our current party system, dividing us into these wonderful us vs. them, liberal vs. conservative groups only maintain the status quo. People like you, who come on here and insult anyone who disagrees with you, also maintain that system.
I think the majority of Americans, when they actually sit down and talk about base key issues, would probably find they have a lot more in common than not. If we can get past the name calling, anyway.
I wouldnt want Romney managing my local Taco Bell,let alone have any control over education. And as far as his wife being a "stay at home" mom, did she have nannies?maids?gardenars?pool guys/gals? If so she has never worked a day in her life. The woking poor and the middle class do not have those luxuries.
BTW liberals - thanks for collapsing my posts... I do appreciate the additional attention you bring to my words. I consider any collapse a badge of honor! It only proves that liberals can't stand the truth and they want to shut down any voice of opposition.... so again I thank you for the added attention!
Love how Tim Geithner explains that the price of gas is up because American confidence is up? Are you kidding me? He must be daft or think the rest of the world is
Feisty Redhead: There you go again. What goes around comes around, especially when you're calling people names and not making intelligent comments. As I said before your credibility will be questioned.
NO Brian,
I only asked for ONE, since you can't do that, who is the liar???
I knew you weren't man enough for the challenge, just wanted to show everyone else what an overly emotional little boy you really are...
Now run along, you've been thoroughly spanked! ☺
Brianb - the idiot on this site is you - as always. You have provided no facts for anything you state. The fact that you want to defend someone as indefensible as Romney is your problem. The fact that you can't do it is your problem.
I can match wits with you any day of the week easily since you are clearly only half-prepared. Try to attach my intelligence and you will lose any day of the week. You are no where close to being able to do that.
Romney is one of McCain's boys and McCain is already stating we need to go to war in Syria. He doesn't want troops out of Afghanistan. Romney is tied very closely to McCain - which you would know if you had a clue about Romney and his politics.
Obama is putting no more troops into Africa than Bush did. You DID know Bush put troops there, right?
President Obama has not devalued our currency. Our economy has done that as a direct result of the worst recession since the great Depression. But, an intelligent person would know that. Sorry - that leaves you out. We are coming out of the recession because of President Obama - something he is responsible for. And, we will continue to do better because of his policies - with no help from the GOP.
Again, I am happy to match wits with anyone. Too bad you are only half prepared to do so.
danwill - thanks for having my back!
Jan said: See Brianb, you can't legislate people from having sex, and they are going to do it
I see Jan. I didn't realize people were going to have sex. I guess I missed that in 6th grade... maybe I was ill that day and missed the lesson. I appreciate your most obvious reasoning.
So, in your logic, since people are going to be irresponsible, and create a living being, without the intent of taking responsibility for their actions, the death of the human life is the only acceptable solution. Have you ever analyzed your thinking? Have you ever wondered what it would be like if your parents decided to abort you? Is that too harsh a thought? Consider all the millions of lives that have been snuffed out through the most intelligent logic you portray and the valuation you place on human existence.
Now that's some funny @!$%#!
Take a look at my vote totals & get back to me...
Romney spins..... I am the conservative of the tax payers dough... Seeeeee..... Listen to me tell a secret on accident that nobody knows... I'm the conservative... Don't look at RON PAUL... Stop going to his rallies by the thousands... Its me.... I just forgot to flip it before because I didn't think being a conservative mattered to your ears.
Brianb, if my parents had aborted me then I would know the difference, why would I care?
I guess I am not as emotional about a fetus as you are, I am more emotional about all of the children I have taken care of over the years that have been abused and neglected. These are realities of life Brian and I would be sympathetic to conservatives views on abortion if they were not continuously cutting away and the help for the children that are victims of abuse. You say you don't want to have to pay for someone elses mistakes or problems but you insist that they must go through with their mistake, have you considered that logic isn't exactly rational? Or do you just like watching children suffer?
Obama will go down as the worst president in the history of history ....
Maybe even longer than that ....
Ruken - Adding 5 trillion dollars to the national debt has done everything to devalue the dollar. Not addressing the deficit has also added to the devaluation. Have you ever heard of QE -1, QE - 2, QE - 3, QE - 4? Do you even know what QE means? All these programs under Obama... Look them up. The $1.2 Trillion in failed stimulus and Omnibus have aided greatly to the devaluation of our dollar.
Have you been shopping lately? Aren't you so impressed with the price of everything falling? Oooops... I meant rising. Everytime inflation rears it's ugly head it's because the value of our currency is falling... or didn't you realize that?
Actually if he wins the reelections he ranks number 4 historically a researcher said for his achievements bignebraska, however this person was looking at them as a whole and not just as a political machine.
bigbenalaska - You post that every day and every day you are corrected. George W. Bush is now and will be the worst President of our lifetime. President Obama will go down in history as a very good President.
Jan-21270 - the GOP is all for making a woman have a child she knows she cannot properly care for but doesn't want any safety nets there for her. And, let's not get into the part about penalizing the man who walks away from that child. That is no where in the GOP equation. I am not a fan of abortion but I know it should not be my decision. I do want to compliment every GOP family out there though, because of course every GOP family has adopted a child who doesn't have a home, right? I mean, that would show true concern for children so I am sure that's the case!
Brianb, do you have no brain on how the economy crashed? Its like the day Obama took president there was an etch a sketch moment and everything that happened before him was erased, according to you conservatives....you people and your etch a sketch's.
Unfortunately another bit of lack of reality on the part of the typical uneducated conservative, there are no etch a sketch moments. While Obama hasn't been perfect in my opinion economically, he really hasn't done that much in his policies to add. 2 wars and the biggest economic downturn since the great depression decreased revenue. Bush actually added 4 trillion in his last year because of it.
Jan - children suffering is NOT a justification for murder. Abortion is murder no matter how you look at it. It is the elimination of life in it's earliest, most vulnerable stage. What recourse does a fetus have other than to succumb to the doctor's knife. Emotional? It's about the only thing I am highly emotional about because abortion is a plague upon our country. Not so much for the law, but for the insolent people that seem to have no problem with cutting up a defenseless potential person... a person that wouldn't be in existence other than their own irresponsible actions.
I also feel for children suffering, but here again, if irresponsible adults create that suffering, they should be made to pay dearly for their inability to honor life.
Yet conservatives still cut the programs to aid children. This is my problem Brian, I wouldn't choose abortion but you haven't seen what I have as a nurse. You haven't seen a little girl with her hands burned off by her mother or mauled by her uncles drug dealer pit bull. You haven't seen children neglected and abused and defeated. Yet the republicans slice away and you say its to make the adults pay, do you think in their drug induced haze that they really care? Its the children that pay for your lack of concern, I would be a republican on this issue if you actually wanted to help the kids. I wouldn't want them aborted but under the circumstances, the system is already buckling under republican cuts. I cannot support republicans at this point in history.
Brianb - again with not understanding. A fetus is not a child. No one - of any party -is for murdering a child. But of course, you always avoid the truth. How many children have you adopted? How may young mothers have you helped raise their child? You're all for compelling the woman to go through with the pregnancy. How many have you helped? How many profoundly disabled children have you taken in because the mother could not care for them?
And, what laws do you propose to make sure the men involved in these pregnancies do their part? You do realize women don't get pregnant on their own, right????
Jan - I will post this just for your edification:
This is just a History lesson.
It is history and nothing can change it.
The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007,
the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start
of the 110th Congress.
The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the
103rd Congress in 1995.
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the House:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
Remember that day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES! THANK YOU DEMOCRATS (especially Barney ) for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment...to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie -starting in 2001 because it was
financially risky for the US economy). Barney blocked it and called it a "Chicken Little Philosophy"
(and the sky did fall!)
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress, especially BARNEY!!!!
So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"
Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving the economy into the ditch.
Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party. Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.
In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on
spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing
resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they
passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.
And where was Barack Obama during this time?
He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he
signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. Let's remember what the deficits looked
like during that period: If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the
Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.
If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. ! ! !
In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is "I inherited a deficit that I voted for, and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th."
"The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living."
So everything the President said he was going to do, and didn't, is not because he is in way over his head and just very foolish for saying it in the first place, And since his word is worthless, we should all believe him now?
SeekingSanity, it is very obvious that tea party republicans do not care about dead beat dads, the child is the responsibility of the woman, she is to be punished for being single (even though she was likely deserted) she is to be punished for having sex (even when they are the largest users of porn and prostitutes) she is to be punished for being a woman. That is what the states are telling women....I can't vote for a republican...it would be like a chicken voting for KFC.
I hope Garrett Haake has proof of what he overheard.
SeekingSanity - No, a fetus would end up becoming a Jeep Liberty... right? Moron!
Jan - What programs have republicans cut to help children? Name them specifically... not some made up liberal talking point... nor some program that the increase in funding has been cut... Name the programs republicans have directly cut to help children... Please.. clear the air.
Oh I love this, so its congresses fault when the liberals are in control of congress but when the republicans are in control of congress like they have been well over a year, its the presidents fault?
Republicans never take responsibility, I said Obama wasn't perfect, but much of the policy that was set into place to make that market crash was going on long before 2008. History lesson, NAFTA and the banking deregulation by Clinton gave a short term boost to Bush who slashed his friends taxes and went on a major spending spree. Eventually after the jobs were sent to china starting around 2000, and the high risk loans fell through because the people were losing the jobs, the market crashed. Now that wasn't Bush's fault, wall street and Clinton can take blame, but the fact that he was spending so much and we were at two wars. He ended up starting the bailouts because he knew that it would be worse without them (Bush). These economic failures have served us badly twice, tax cuts to the wealthy, spending on wars, deregulations like crazy, yet republicans still want to go back to them...
That makes no sense, the definition of insanity is to repeat the same thing over and over and expect a different outcome. Trickle down economics failed us twice, why go back to it? No No NO NO NO to Romney.
This is the first proof we have had that Romney wants to make sure that the United States of America is a rich man's paradise and pure Hell for everyone else.
@bigbenalaska... And Ron Paul will go down as the biggest Patriot in world history right next to Jefferson.. No matter what happens, someday we will look back and either say "Thank God we took time to get the message and delegated for him"!!!!! Or, we will be saying "Why the heck couldn't we get it?".... Just like when he was trying to explain to you how the housing bubble was coming and now many now say, why the heck couldn't we get it? Or the loss of jobs.. or the never ending war.. or the rising cost of fuel and food.. or & or & on & on.
Try reading Paul Ryans wonderful budget, increase defense for war (the pentagon says we don't need more we can cut but hell the military has every reason to lie because its not like they have not interest in the military) massive cuts to funding for what will end up being childrens programs, because they effect the adults that care for them that you want to punish.
Jan - actually the Democrats only had a filibuster proof control of congress from 7/7/2009 to 2/4/2010. And, during that time Ted Kennedy was out a great deal because of his illness. Plus, congress was on vacation part of the time.
But, you're right. Republicans never take responsibility. Their only job was to make sure President Obama is a one term President, remember?
Jan you are so right about the GOP and women's pregnancies. But, apparently the GOP women get pregnant differently than we do. Go figure!
Brianb - a fetus is not a child, period. You are a total moron.
And the rich are far richer than ever at this moment in time but hey they need more tax cuts!!! Unbelievable, Romney paid 14% in personal taxes, let me ask you Brianb what percent did you pay? Tax percent is based on distribution wealth, there is no rational reason to give him 14% taxes on his 30 million dollars to buy elevators for his stupid cars, when people can barely feed their children on what they are making. It just makes no sense, Romney doesn't make sense, any of the others probably made more sense than he does.
Brian: If I was unwanted, you're damn right I'd want to be aborted. It's hard enough to live if wanted when born--but if I was unwanted, I would not think twice--ABORT ME! No problem!
Carrottop in Drag said: Take a look at my vote totals & get back to me...
A liberal hatemonger on a liberal hatemonger board bragging about her votes? ROFLMAO!!!! What a hoot! A board that contains a ratio of about 60 liberals to one conservative! ROFL!!!! My gosh what a daft liberal individual brags about her votes on a liberal board??? What a maroon!
Best laugh I've had in a week.
Let's face it, the conservatives on this board have more strength than all the liberals this board could muster... against great odds, our points are more organized, better thought out and make more sense than all the liberals put together...
Thank you Fiesty for the wonderful belly laugh... Now my day is complete!!!
Brianb-999431 - actually the conservatives on this board just show how truly incompetent the GOP is. They lack intelligence and actual facts. Only in your small mind are the points more organized or actually "points." But you go ahead and be delusional. It may get you through the 2nd term of President Obama. Nothing about the conservatives on this post is sensible except to those who are intellectually challenged -like you!
Obama/Biden 2012
Jan said: Oh I love this, so its congresses fault when the liberals are in control of congress but when the republicans are in control of congress like they have been well over a year, its the presidents fault?
The republicans are not in control of Congress. You do remember there is a democratically controlled Senate... right? Who's still driving the bus Jan?
But... let's take a look at something the liberals ignore... the liberals are saying the economy is improving... since when? Oh, about 2011 when the republicans took control of the house... I guess you don't like thinking about that, do you?
I'll see your week and raise you a month for this little jewel...lmao
You accused me of;
I simply requested one example of your accusation, you have failed to provide...
In the meantime you have been bouncing off the walls, ranting, raving, while changing the subject without answering my basic question!
Have you ever checked into hormonal therapy?
Sounds like it might be of some help with your condition! ;o)
It would explain why you were pissing yourself about your comments being collapsed? Have you seen me whining like a little bitch when mine are collapsed?
At least attempt to take it like a man Brian, your juvenile emotional rants bring nothing of value!
Still seeking sanity said: actually the conservatives on this board just show how truly incompetent the GOP is. They lack intelligence and actual facts. Only in your small mind are the points more organized or actually "points." But you go ahead and be delusional. It may get you through the 2nd term of President Obama. Nothing about the conservatives on this post is sensible except to those who are intellectually challenged -like you!
Blah, blah blah!!! More of the same... Nothing new here... moving along. Sanity has nothing new to say about anything... all sanity is about is calling others names.. no salient points, no thoughtful input.. You are just like Obama!! Nothing new to add, nothing new to create, nothing new to input... just obfuscation and put downs.... what are you afraid of Sanity? Don't have a creative side to you? Blows the hell out of the theory that liberals make the best artists... ROFL!!!
Obama/Biden 2012 - Sure... we want more record deficits, more national debt, more government regulations... more socialism, more tyranny. We want to be controlled by the federal government...
Up yours with Obama and 4 more years!!!
Well, this was just precious.
One day Romney is gushing to the NRA that "all moms are working moms" (as he pouts about a comment that rich women like his wife don't worry about juggling work and family because she "never worked a day in her life").
And the next he's telling us that welfare moms need to put their kids in daycare and get a job because he "wants the individuals to have the dignity of work." (So welfare moms aren't moms, they're individuals? And therefore they don't already "work", unlike rich (real) moms?)
Is doublethink hereditary or learned? Inquiring minds want to know.
Hey everybody, it appears BrianB missed class last week.
You've got to admit you tee'd that one up for me. Have fun calling everyone an idiot and decrying liberals for namecalling!
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E. You'll be learning that one next year in 7th grade.
Brianb- well, you clearly showed by your last post what a thoughtful, competent person you are. I've had serious conversations which you've chosen to ignore. I've shared facts, and ideas, which you've chosen to ignore. But your rant says it all, doesn't it?
BryanE., PA - and the week before, etc! Happy Monday to you! By the way, I think Brianb will be repeating 6th grade - just a guess!
Betty Blah Blah said: I simply requested one example of your accusation, you have failed to provide...
In the meantime you have been bouncing off the walls, ranting, raving, while changing the subject without answering my basic question!
Your question wasn't valid. Everytime you post... and I could copy and paste several on this board today that are full of lies.... but what's the point? I'm not preaching to liberals like you are... feeding them your horsesh!t taken from progressive liberal websites.
Your ideology is full of lies! In fact, you are proud of them. You think they escape everyone.
In your attempt at humor, along comes this little gem:
Meanwhile, has anyone seen a update on the penguin that bit Newt's condition?
Sure hope the little fella makes a full & speedy recovery...
Hate? How about some truth? You can't even seem to muster up any dignity under any circumstance.
You choose to work put downs as a matter of course. Name a put down I speak of Obama... I don't call him names, nor do I make fun of him personally... but you can't help yourself. If it's republican, it's a chance for you to put that person down.
I realize this will fly right over your pea sized brain... but you have been come to be known as one of the most hateful persons posting on this board...
I can continue posting all your hateful words, but what's the point? It's so blatantly obvious, I don't need to.
Your party gave away $700 billion out of the US treasury (the cost of the tax cuts to the top 2% over the next 10 years.) Over the next 75 years, the cost of those cuts exceeds the shortfall in Social Security. And that's okay with you???? You want some more of that?
Bryan E -- Come to these threads more often!
Brian was correct in an earlier post, my fellow liberals. Why collapse his comments? Just ignore him, maybe then he will go away.
Still seeking sanity said: Brianb- well, you clearly showed by your last post what a thoughtful, competent person you are. I've had serious conversations which you've chosen to ignore. I've shared facts, and ideas, which you've chosen to ignore. But your rant says it all, doesn't it?
When a person refuses to admit they can't come back in the arena of ideas and choose to attack the person presenting those ideas, they show their hand. You have shown your hand in many instances... you have no ideas, no rebuttals and definitely no ideas to support your approach.
I've read most of your so called serious conversations and they amount to juvenile retorts. Like I said, moving along... you aren't worth the time because you never present serious conversations... name calling is a defining point for those seeking sanity.... and can never find it.
What's wrong with getting rid of some of these government leaches. I think HUD and Dept. of Education is a good place to start.
Feisty, I don't know how little you are but I have to agree with the other part.
I agree jimsepa!
I don't think any comments should be collapsed.
I really wish First Read would address the situation. What bothers me is when BB or the idiot from Albany start whining like little boys when it happens to them.
Do you ever see the liberals complain?
Hell, my comment above has been collapsed not ONCE but TWICE (which BTW makes zero sense but, I digress) all I can say is BFD - obviously the truth stings!
PS: BB - I will concede the last word to you... it's to the point even I am embarressed for you...
jimsepa - Please, ignore them. Close your mind... I suppose you do this for all conservative ideas... makes you a capital liberal. I choose to read liberal posts... because it shows the absolute lunacy of their ideas and exactly what they stand for. Liberals are a blight upon this country... Closed minded hypocrites that fake their compassion while hating anyone that opposes their ideas.
SS and DCIA,
Thanks for the kind words. I'll be here as often as time allows.
I like reading all of the various rwnj's comments and putting it into prespective for them. I'm by no means a political genius, or spectacular at political debate, but i can sure get under some skin.
Happy Monday!
Brianb - again with the accusations backed up by nothing. But, rereading your posts I realize you are actually talking about yourself. You post no facts but rant and rave against everyone. I've supported my ideas and had civil conversations. When you realize you have no rebuttal, you attack. We're all used to that. But, nice try at deflecting - actually not really!
I see you are deflecting conservative hatred onto liberals. Why is that not surprising?
"For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:"
You Republicans have a very short memory. From 1976 to 1992 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Carter of everything wrong in the entire universe. Then from 1992 to 2008 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Clinton for everything that was wrong in the entire universe. So – using the standard you set – the left has another 29 years to blame Bush for everything just to pull even with you.
Bold added for emphasis. Like this one BrianB:
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Well you get the picture.
Brianb,
Got the day off today?
[BTW liberals - thanks for collapsing my posts...]
Your posts get collapsed for saying stupid crap like:
You have the freedom to post what you like, but those posts have become increasingly pointed towards President Obama, simply because no one is listening to your crap? Or are you just like everyone else who criticizes the president and you are doing it for spite? In other words, you're throwing an adult tantrum.
All I can tell you Brian, is it's just going to get worse for you.
Real Americans First said: Your party gave away $700 billion out of the US treasury (the cost of the tax cuts to the top 2% over the next 10 years.) Over the next 75 years, the cost of those cuts exceeds the shortfall in Social Security. And that's okay with you???? You want some more of that?
My party??? What party is that? I'll allude to the fact that I belong to no party, but what difference does it make to you?
Do yourself a favor... obtain a calculator. $700 Billion amounts to what part of one trillion dollars? 7/10ths. Now take that multiplier and add an additional $4 trillion to it... Now you have the real number of what it amounts to in additional national debt added by the Obama administration. If Obama gets an additional 4 years double that figure... $10 Trillion worth of national debt by a president that can't reign in spending. Compare the $700 Billion to $10 trillion and you have what amounts to peanuts.
One other misnomer you are proclaiming... the tax relief was not only given to the rich... it was given to all American taxpayers. Now to add to that, did Obama, or didn't he extend those same tax cuts you rail against so much? Will he extend them again? Nope... he will create Taxageddon on this nation if he's elected to a second term... and that will bring us to our knees. He, in one swoop action will destroy our GDP, and the economy. This is why he can't be re-elected.
In 3-D no less... lol
Some people simply do not know when to throw in the towel!
*waves to Bryan & the family*
Mickey,
Is it any wonder BB can't hold down a job?
Spending all day making an ass out of yourself on FR while ripping off your bosses time does tend to upset them! ;o)
So Mitt is going to cut the size of the federal government!!! WOW!!!!! I'm impressed !!
I'm 65 years old and remember every election since 1952. Over those 60 years every single nominee from both major parties made the same promise. Yet somehow the federal government has grown since 1952. The largest expansion of the federal government in the last 40 years took place between 2001 and 2004 when Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. So Mitt -- get some mew material.
Bryan - when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Or else there would be zero understanding from those on the receiving end. Thanks for pointing that out for me.
I don't see where the "open mic" comes in, the article doesn't mention who Romney was talking to and appears the reporter was just listening while sitting close to Romney on the wall outside the house.
I really don't know what the big deal is since most Republicans want cuts in current agencies and less government spending. I have advocated for the elimination of the Department of Education for a long time. Department of Energy and HUD should also be audited and considered for reorganization. The government is just to large to properly manage.
We have one government agency (GAO) that has made suggestions on savings by consolidating programs, ending waste and fraud, yet the congress and the Obama Administration seems just to make little if any mention of the reports or make any attempts to implement them.
Simple minds arguing away, I'm right, you're wrong, quibbling over minutae while the ship is hitting the iceberg. There is really no difference between the parties. As to Obama? He is Bush dressed in a liberal suit. Not one Obama supporter has EVER mentioned the NDAA which he signed into law. Obama merely finished the job that Bush started, namely destroying the last vestiges of civil rights once guaranteed under the Constitution, all done in the name of "protecting us from Terrorism."
Obama lovers are suddenly pro-war hawks. Obama lovers are suddenly making the pretense that Obama is not responsible for ANYTHING except if something accidently works out for the better. Never hear mention of the billions given to failing 'green' energy companies nor the billions, if not trillions, that Obamacare will add to the deficit.
Romney is Obama as Bush was Obama. They are all the same.
Thanks Feisty!!
*Bryan & the Family waves back*
So now you're calling the Romans hypocrites? Wow, even for you, that is a stretch.
So Brian, if the Great Recession is traceable to Congressional Democrats a simple question will suffice to settle the issue.
Which Democratic bills did President GW Bush sign to bring on the destruction of the world economy?
Bryan E - You've pretty well summed up the posts for Brianb!
John B - well now that's just not fair! You're actually using logic while communicating with Brianb!
Betty said: Hell, my comment above has been collapsed not ONCE but TWICE (which BTW makes zero sense but, I digress) all I can say is BFD - obviously the truth stings!
But it seems you are the only one that gets your posts restored. I wonder why that is... It couldn't be that the moderator of this board is a liberal... never restoring a conservative post... only yours, it seems.
You have no right to complain when someone collapses one of your hate speeches. All you have to do is wave your magic wand and ::poof:: you are restored... Deny it...
I am ecstatic when someone collapses my post... like I said earlier, it only goes to show exactly how liberals want to shut down any opposition voice out there. Hitler would be proud of you liberals!
I swear the guy is on medication, and when he goes off it he gets his tinfoil hat on and hunts liberals anonymously over the Internet.
Face to Face, i bet my year's salary the guy never says a word to anyone. Internet Bravado, brought to you by the makers of Newsvine.
So, Romney wants to cut HUD and Education Dept???? Great, all the more reason to vote for him!
Bryan said:
So now you're calling the Romans hypocrites? Wow, even for you, that is a stretch.
No... you misinterpret... The only hypocrites around here are the liberals. They only understand put downs and name calling. Not a stretch at all. I can give as well as I can receive. Don't like it... who the hell cares?
Bryan said: Face to Face, i bet my year's slaray the guy never says a word to anyone. Internet Bravado, brought to you by the makers of Newsvine.
How much do you make? I'll take it in the form of cash or a certified money order.
For one that does not know me... such proclamations are ridiculous. Liberals think they are above everyone else... making claims they cannot keep nor ever intend to. Like I said... send me the money... I have no problem facing off with any liberal in person... Had much fun with the liberal protesters at the Palm Beach Tea Party yesterday...
John B - do you know what a CONTINUING RESOLUTION is? Look it up... then find out how many Nancy Pellosi and Harry Reid passed during the last 2 years of Bush's administration. They can do it without his signature. Get back with me, OK?
You do know what the word "continuing" means, right? You've just confirmed that THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN POLICY, therefore your claim of Democrats collapsing the economy through their control of Congress cannot be true.
Why would any sane person go to anything tea party related, the intelligence level is about the same as a nascar event.
Brianb, keep talking, you do realize this makes the problems both parties problems, so my points are why continue policies that are failing and are still failing us when Obama continues the tax cuts?
You want to give your money to the rich, write them a check. I still think there should be a middle class in this country. 14% personal tax on his millions Brianb, no reason economically for that, its just pure greed. While others suffer, and hey why not make more kids live and starve them to death? You republicans are sick pukes.
First things first. You have to have a face to face.
I think you need to re-evaluate this claim for authenticity.
You cannot claim to be against name-calling then call somone a name. That is hypocrisy, but i think we are getting to the root of the problem.
So brian, is it life or is it a "potential" person?
The American dream is get a good education, that will land you a good job, that will allow you to purchase a home and that lead to acclimating some wealth. So - what's do Republicans want to cut --- education and housing. That should tell anyone making less than a million a year all they need to know about the current Republican Party.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Lets see...
1) Brianb - a continuing resolution actually does require the president to sign. So saying it doesn't is in error. (information found in "Continuing Resultions: Latest Actions and a brief overview of recent practices, dated April 6, 2011)
2) John B is correct, a continuing resolution only continues funding at or below the current levels of the previous budge. (same place as above)
3) Brianb - please research what you try and state as truth when it is not. .
Jan 2007-Jan 2009 under a democratic majority had 7 continuing resolutions and 1 revision. 4 a year.
An interesting contrast, perhaps, to the 2003 year where under a Republican majority with a Republican President.. there were 8 in that year alone.
Now, of course, there was 2000-2002... with 29 such bills... but when the majority of them are simply restating the earlier continuation and the addendum of 'striking out the date and inserting a latter date a week or two further on' single page reprises... it kinda doesn't count as an OMG moment. A failed attempt to get Congress to act quickly, perhaps married to a failed belief that they'd actually respond and get a budget passed quickly, given an almost immediate deadline. We've become jaded about our continuing funding bills to actually put the date due out at least a couple months, now.
I think we can all agree that this is a null subject to 'prove' anything substantive for or against either party.
My point both parties played a part in the crash and fall of the economy so we have to look at all the policies that put us there but introducing Bush 2.0 in Romney is worse in my opinion than Obama. He isn't introducing much new expensive legislation, outside of the healthcare law that may or may not help the system. I have my reservations but Romney is doing nothing but ensuring that the top 1% get an even bigger divide on the rest of the country. Its the biggest divide in history already.
Jan, you guys dont understand how taxes work and make such angry statements regarding Romney. You realize the reason he paid 14% is because the companies he owned in which he received dividends or capital gains were already taxed at 35%. So tell me Jan, if you owned a local store and paid 35% tax on your income at the store and then took some remaining proceeds of the earnings and gave it to yourself, you think it should be taxed again at 40%? That is the exact same thing Romney is doing and why his tax rate is so low. The companies he owns have already paid tax, just like when Buffett tries to act like his tax rate is so low. This embellishment of class warfare is just so disengenous.
Oh, yes. Key info missing from my above post. 2003-2007 Republicans controlled Congress with a Repbulican president. Still... 8 continuing resolutions in 2003.
Hey Feisty,
I WILL miss the conservative whine-fest if people stop collapsing their comments. However, in addition to the notion of free, un-censored speech, I also think the junk spewed by some on the right needs to be posted for all to see.
I mean, really, what better way to get the idea out that rightwingnuts are, well, nuts, than reading their rants in their own words.
Get out of town. The Narwhal room data must have told Obama supporters that they need someone to "overhear" Romney saying something! Like we would believe a reporter from National Bama Channel just happened to "overhear" Romney want to shut down the Federal Department of Education. Hey if he did say it I'd say amen, now we can get back to education of math and science and real history instead of sex educaiton, billy has two daddies and all the crap this outfit pushes onto our kids. I went to school before the Fed dEpt of Education and I got a real education. After the power grab it has been all downhill for our public education system.
Go listen outside windows and try to compare it to Obama whispering to the Russian without knowing the mike was on . Apples and Oranges the Obama supporters are good at even if you did believe them. They do spend a lot of time trying to convince us that day is night and black is white (not racially).
Actually there is more than one reason why oil prices are high at the pump, which included the deflation of the dollar, industrialization of the countries you refer to, and several other factors. To think it is just simplistic and there is only one reason for the cause of the increase indicates that maybe you shouldn't suggest that some else gets educated on the global oil market before you get educated first.
Shaking - oh your forgot to include religion and hatred in your textbooks. And, let's not forget the boogeyman - since that is what so much of the far right is preaching oops teaching these days. Please, education has been getting better and better except in the schools where they have opted to teach the hatred of the far right.
And, I love your diatribe about the "overheard" Romney disclosures. What, you don't want people to know what Mitt and Ann really think?
Being from Minnesota, I can say, that the guy calling Michelle Bachman hot was a mistake. He meant to say she had hot flashes. For kicks, do search on Michelle Bachman hiding in bushes! She was caught hiding in bushes trying to spy on people concerning birth control.
[...he will create Taxageddon on this nation if he's elected to a second term...]
BrBianb...
...tax...a...ged...don...?
Oh no! Run you dip@!$%# RUN!!
...Brian...WAIT!! You dropped your tin foil hat!
jimsepa,
I do believe you are onto something!
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"I'm going to probably eliminate for high income people the second home mortgage deduction," Romney said, per Haake, adding that he would also likely eliminate (IRS)deductions for state income and property taxes as well."
What will this do for the masses? DOUBLE TAXATION on every dollar of State income tax and property tax. Where will that money go?
brianb - good gawd ya' all!!! If this had been a boxing match, the ref would've stepped in and stopped the contest. Yo' ass gonna be sore fo' a few days from the whoopin' you took on this thread.
I certainly hope you do seek someone about your sanity. In fact, Obama has implied to our enemies that he will work with them after he's reelected. And you appear to be the idiot if you disagree with my statement that many voters agree with his policies. Perhaps you just need to learn to read?
Working v Stay at Home Moms
Just last week Mitt Romney said that "stay at home moms" are working moms and just yesterday Ann Romney thanked Hilary Rosen, a CNN pundit – not a Democratic spokesperson, for an early birthday present.
But on January 4th Mitt Romney, while campaigning in Manchester, NH with John McCain at his side, talked about when he was Governor he said that it was important that moms, even with small children, should get a job so they could experience the "dignity" of work. "Even if you have a child 2 years of age, you need to go to work," Romney said.
As a Senate candidate in 1994, Mitt Romney said: "Now Mom and Dad both have to work whether they want to or not, and usually one of them has two jobs."
What is your true belief Mitt or is it only the well-to-do that stay at home that are to be considered "working" moms? Or is this just another Etch-A-Sketch moment?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Obviously Mr. Romney has a double standard when it comes to working mothers: poor women need the "dignity" of working, but I guess he doesn't think his wife requires that same "dignity". Oh, wait, that would indicate that he actually thinks about women's problems. What a hypocrite.
Unreal, leftys would defend pedophiles, if they promised freebies.
One can only hope their respective mothers crawl out from under the steps and bites them
Bobby,
[Unreal, leftys would defend pedophiles, if they promised freebies.]
Yet Romney as Governor promised to increase Child Care funding so those mothers could get a job and experience the dignity of work.
So Romney as a Conservative is promising freebies.
Bobby: that one flew right over your head. The point is the hypocrasy of saying the "dignity of work" is reserved for poor mothers whose children (by inference) would be better off without them at home...while wives like Mr. Romney's are the "good" mothers who "work" at home (minus paychecks of course). Now do you get it?
Bobby, You seem to have a thing for pedophiles.. Just sayin!
It's all about the economy you morons. There's no war on women, that's just a lie to distract us from the real issues. Our government has grown too large and is unsustainable. Taxing the millionaires will only cut the debt a tiny amount. My wife has gone back to work full time so we can pay our bills. We haven't asked the government for a penny. My mom was able to stay at home during my childhood because we could live on my dad's income. If that hadn't been the case my mom would have gotten a job outside of the home.
There are stay at home dads too. If a family can get by on one income that's great, if not both should work. There's no need to bash someone because their wife can stay at home and raise the kids. However if someone is accepting government assistance there's no harm in expecting them to work.
I'll stand by the statement as it should have been uttered, She has never been employed a day in her life. She wasn't a working mother, she was a nanny supervisor. That was her "work at home" job. It always amuses me when the bottom half of the republican party, the so called "GOD worshipers" try to defend the top half of the republican party, the "Money worshipers". The bottom half of that party should be just as worried as everyone else about the soulless loon that they are about to nominate. He won't stand up for them in the end any more than he will stand up for anything that doesn't in some way line his pockets. But he will sure do his best to tell you what you want to hear.
Was there or was there not laws proposed forcing women to have a device shoved up their <blank> before having an abortion?
That statement is a steaming pile of crap! No one, NOT one of my liberal or conservative friend or family would ever support a pedophile.
Booby never will. Just another RWNJ Troll.
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I doubt Ann Romney does much "work" beyond instructing the nanny to wake the kids up and get them ready for school, telling the cook exactly what to make the kids for every meal, having the nanny load the kids into the Limo, where the driver takes them off to school, watching the maid gather the daily laundry, telling her personal assistant what purchases to make on her behalf for the day, and so on. Hell, she probably even had a wet nurse to take care of feeding her babies. I doubt Ann Romney has ever once lifted a finger in the actual raising of her children.
No war on women? Try convincing women of that. They are fleeing from supporting Romney in droves. In each state headed by a Republican leadership, they have done nothing about jobs or state infrastructure, they have attacked women, either through state sponsored rape in Virginia, to codifying laws attacking contraceptives. This is the Republican jobs plan. Create a situation in which their men do not have to compete with women. They just don't handle rejection well.
As to Ann Romney? She is a stay at home mom like I am a rocket scientist. She did not have to make the decision that I did, and other women do, to give up substantial incomes, stop paying into social security and retirement, bank on one income supporting the family, and being able to maintain that employment, to stay home to do the HANDS ON work of raising children, one, seriously disabled.
No, our litttle Annie had tougher decisions. Like what nanny to hire, staffing multiple homes, finding trained dressage Warmbloods at about 300,000 dollars each, and the boarding and training stables, as well as professional staff to show them.
Yes, Annie, we all feel your pain.
Bobby w - pathetic really.
Diamond60 - it's about the economy AND the war on women - you moron! Apparently you can't focus on more than one thing at a time but let me assure you, women can. We are clearly deciding who will be best for the economy (Obama without a doubt) but women's issues directly contribute to the economy and our lives. We won't be distracted by an idiot who doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself and his wife - who has not worked a day in her life outside the home. Yes, raising a family is hard work but she has never had to worry about what many women have and do. Diamond60 - try to at least pretend to have an IQ over 40!
Diamond, you're talking reality when the real issue is political jargon wars. There, we don't have a war on women rhetorical train of logic anymore because of Rosen's gift to Romney. She killed the female stuff as a campaign issue for the moment and possibly for the season, because every time the Democrats go there independents will be reminded of the attack on Romney's wife.
So, now, it is about the economy. Though some Democrats won't get the message and will try to continue the other debate, while the party leadership will try to move on. In that sense, Rosen not only killed the female issue but most likely created a major break in Democratic Party message discipline.
Jaysus Cynbad -
A serial stalker talking about pedophiles - you just can't make this stuff up! lol
AP- Yes you are right. The word it " Hypocrisy" -- (clearly "Bobby" is a loyal "FOX" viewers so his "independent reading comprenend skills" are not that strong). Like many Republicans these days -- Mr. Romney and his wife are "out of touch" -- Apparently only rich women who have a hired staff to do the actually "work" around the house(s) and cooks and nannies to feed and raise the childlren for you -- are "working women" (not the folks doing that work). Single-mothers and middle-class women with children who actually do the work @ home - are NOT working. The fact that Mitt and his wife are "giddy' over the "gift' of Ms. Rosen remarks is just an example of how out touchwith reality these two peole really are.
While Ms. Rosen comments were poorly worded -- her real point has been some how over-looked -- Mrs. Romney maybe a nice lady and a wonderful hostess @ parties @ their country club -- but she is not an expert on the concerns and issues of the average working woman of our nation -- I would not be surprised that next Mrs. Romney will say that she personally knows what it is like to go to bed hungry in this country --since she skipped having a second dessert once!
The hilarious thing about that statement... is how many Conservatives PROTECT pedophiles!
look at all your church leaders... a new pedophile priest gets busted every freaking day.. and you conservatives are quick to jump in to defend them.
Your leaders are pedophiles!
Great post, Cynthia! LMBO!!
Paul M - Diamond nor you talk reality. Women know the issues. Economy yes but the GOP has waged a war on women and anyone who won't admit that is so far removed from reality it isn't funny. When our rights are threatened we stand up and fight. Too bad your respect for women is so little you don't realize we can tackle more than one topic at a time. But, of course, you probably think very little of women.
Women know the issues, huh. Okay, not going to argue that. All I know is the more I see of women in politics the more sexist I get. I'm seeing more and more truth in some of the old stereotypes.
Hey Seeking (and probably won't find it) Sanity, between you and NBC; Comrade Obummer will probably get re-elected and totally bring this wonderful Country to ruination. Thanks for supporting Union thugs, Welfare Drug pushers and Crooked IL. politics. You are truly a wonderful Socialist!!!!
Let me get this right, a pundit makes a statement that maligns all stay at home moms (BTW, she also has over 30 visits to the White House), does not speak for Obama or the Democrats? Yet, a conservative radio talk show host calls one woman a "slut" and suddenly that is the entire view of the GOP? From that very comment the GOP and Romney are branded as being "out of touch with womens issues too?" It'll never cease to amaze me how the Dems drip with hypocrisy.
What a bunch of liberal clowns posting talking points and meaningless drivel. Obama has done nothing for the economy but drive it further into the ditch. Just who do you think is going to get hurt the worst when the looming financial crisis comes home to roost? Single moms, poor people, the elderly maybe?
This country is running on borrowed time with borrowed money. Obama has added over 6 trillion to our national debt, and he is running annual deficits of a trillion plus. This country simple cannot afford this level of over spending or the massive indebtedness forever.
Gas prices are the first warning of a sustained period of inflation. More then likely hyperinflation. So who is going to get hurt the worst when that begins? Obama has shown nothing but contempt for the American people.
Obama engages in crony capitalism, sells White House access for campaign contributions, and started every warfare known. Race war, war on women, partisan politics, war on conservatives, and of course a war on success. Obama has done and said nothing that has been the least bit positive for this country, so go ahead with blind loyalty, the impending train wreck will be your reward.
Blue Veiner - yes, I am seeking sanity in the GOP but, you're right, there is none to be found. Let's see - calling the president names and - oh yes - the dreaded "socialist" word. Shows you got no game.
Paul M - you just said everything there is to say about you. Stereotyping women? Your stupidity isn't just showing - it's blatant. The only STUPID women I see day after day in politics are Michelle Bachmann (couldn't even stay on topic on Meet the Press cause she had nothing to say); Sarah Palin; Christine O'Donnell; etc. But, they don't stand for all women - the bright ones are still out there and doing just fine, thank you!
Rick 341..... The party showing contempt for the citizens of this country is the GOP. They think they can lie and lie and lie and we should elect them. Your party is beyond reckless and deceptive. They are as close to treasonous as any party ever has been. Their main goal over the past two years has been to defeat President Obama - to hell with the country. You should be ashamed to be spouting your ignorance in support of such a party.
Romney is a corporate pig plain and simple.Wouldn't you think if the Gop was as great as they think they are they could have come up with a candidate that might win
What can I say. Al Bundy was right, lol.
Paul M - why does it not surprise me you're a big fan of Al Bundy. Two peas in a pod!
Diamond60: I agree!
I can't understand why Obama is winning the media war. The issue is fundamentally one of Obama's failed leadership. Why can't Romney hit Obama with this message and why is it that the media cannot report substantive issues around this election cycle? I am very familiar with Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe and I can assure you, Obama is like a modern Robert Mugabe. The divisions he is creating e.g. Rich vs. Poor etc. will hurt America for a longer time that just another 4 years of Obama.
Anony Mous1 too bad you are not familiar with intelligence. The divisions, or class warfare, have been created and fostered by the GOP. President Obama is winning the media war because he has intelligence and it shows. Romney has no plans; no suggestions (short of cutting social programs and the department of education); doesn't have a clue about normal citizens and really only wants to be President so he can say he accomplished something his father didn't. The divisions being created and encourages by the GOP are what is hurting this country and a smart person knows that.
Anony: "I can't understand why Obama is winning the media war"
Perhaps because he's more correct than the other side. At least he speaks to the poor and the middle class and does not wage class warfare on us.
The right with all their money plays the victim. Boo hoo!
Wait a minute, there is something I don't understand. When It comes to Ann Romney making the choice to be a stay at home parent, which recently has been touted as one of the hardest jobs by both sides of the aisle.. It's ok for her to make that choice.
When it comes to single mothers/fathers on welfare, that same choice is not ok? It is important for "them" to work, but not for Ann and those like her?
I would suggest this a conflict of ideals at best, hypocritical at worst. It seems to me that being home to raise your children (the more children, the more important it would seem...) needs to be stressed in households of lesser income families.
Not good traits seen in someone who wants to be leader of the free world..This is really class warfare, isn't it??
"dignity of work" my azz......
Scott Walker repealed the Equal Pay law last week in Wisconsin. It was already capped at $300k, so it wasn't like there were frivilous lawsuits in the millions. It was a deliberate attempt to keep women back and without recourse at a time when study after study shows women are still under paid. The Republican party has declared war on women, and women are not going to take it.
BTW, the illuminated reasoning behind the repeal is that money is not as important for women because they often choose to prioritize their children over career. (Sen. Glenn Grothman -R)
Republicans hate women and children.
"There's no war on women,"
You teatards keep telling yourself that. I can name at least 10 females I know of who are Republicans -- who have never votes for a Democrat in their entire lives -- who will NOT vote for a single republican this time around.
Anony: I believe the division between the rich and the poor actually started with your St. Ronnie. Trickle down??? Ring a bell in that cavern???
Charlie - I am one of them. I have vowed to vote straight Democrat until the Republican party joins the rest of civilization. There really isn't any other option. I think many young women have been raised without realizing the amount of misogyny that still exists in this country. This has been an eye opening time for a lot of them, and it wouldn't surprise me that a good many young female Republicans flip parties.
Give this joker some credit - he is consistent - all he said was that "I will fire people".
Could be the difference is that Ann Romney can AFFORD her children and doesn't ask that the taxpayers support the child/children? Nothing wrong with asking someone who wants to subsist off the taxpayers dime to be productive and add something back into the society she lives off from. Ann Romney not only raised 5 children, who all are productive members of society, by the way, but she is and always has been very involved with charities and boards of charities....not something too many of you people would probably be able to handle. In addition to running a household, which even with hired help, can be a pretty tough job when your husband is in the public domain and your every step is scrutinzed....but she's had the added "fun" of battling breast cancer and is facing the prospect of a life in a wheelchair not too far down the road. Liberals are all about helping the poor misunderstood Mom with a nice welfare check, Section 8 housing, free medical care, free babysitting, help with child care, free training and education assistance....but mention one word about taking responsibility for their own actions....and one becomes uncaring and cruel ...down on poor people. There isn't a person among you who would give your eye teeth to be as monetarily rich as the Romny family....you all have a heavily infected case of green eyed jealousy...
@gingerbean,
I would suggest that you are not getting the point.
I was trying not to suggest that the parents receiving assistance on a subsistence level (which is what welfare and section 8 really is...) should not work. I think it's about being able to make the decision to stay home, as Ann Romney did. Why should anyone look down on that choice, rich or poor? I did not want it to become a partisan choice along party lines, but showing how unfair it is to ask one segment of society to be held to a different standard than another..... and I would again suggest, by staying home and raising their children that people on assistance ARE taking responsibility for their choices and actions. They just don't have the financial means as Mrs. Romney does. Or are you suggesting that because the Romney's have money, that their choices are somehow better because they have money??
It really is hypocritical...
I'm Just Sayin'...
So, Mittens big plan is to put more Americans out of work, eh? No surprise there given his "experience" in the business world. He'd just do what he does best.
"Obama has done nothing for the economy but drive it further into the ditch."
Facts Republicans Hate:
So in addition to hating success and punishing it, its now not considered work to be a mom raising 5 kids because Anne wasnt on welfare? Wow, that is just such a winning strategy. I would love for Obama to campaign on that view and see how far that gets you. Amazing how far the Obama campaigners on here will go to defend their guy. Dennis even wants to equate being a mom raising 5 kids with government policy or political positions on government assistance based on personal choice and behavior. So someone who chose to have a child, single (remember you guys are all pro choice) and be on welfare taking all the risks associated with that lifestye choice is now off limits from putting some requirements in place in order to continue to receive all of this free assistance she is getting because of her choice. Wow, interesting comparisons. No one is saying the single mom on welfare isnt working at home--its more about what are the requirements to continue to receive your free assistance as a result of the choice you made to have a baby. But I forget under the progressive philosophy, there is no personal accountability for behaviorial choices or self reliance concepts.
So Jen, can you explain how the Wisconsin equal pay repeal prevents women from filing lawsuits with actual discrimination? It was a repeal of an act (with a very wonderful title because who doesnt think we should have equal pay for equal jobs) that just made it easier for lawyers to file in certain courts. It continues to be illegal and will always be illegal to discriminate based on gender. Stop helping the trial lawyers.
Charlie--I can name 10 probably 20 Obama voters here in Illinois that would never vote for Obama again and die hard democrats because of his war on the economy. This fake war on women created by you guys to take attention away from Obama's failures is illusory and will backfire. The better approach would be for Obama to moderate and stop his war on private enterprise and his unbelievably naive economic policies because the social GOP platform is a long term loser but their fiscal conservatism is much bigger winner.
Kirk - you can't name 1 female voter here in Illinois that will pull the lever for Romney. We are all too smart for that. His lack of any suggestions about anything except how to make women 2nd class citizens has seen to that. Their GOP platform on social issues is pathetic. And, they have no platform on anything else.
There are lots of women who will vote for Romney in November. Lots of women already voted for him in the primary.
Seeking Sanity--I can name quite a few including my mom who has never voted for a GOP presidential candidate in her life. She is a proud member of the Teacher's Union, grew up in Michigan and will always in her mind vote for union politicians. However she also is an owner of a small business in a small town in which I grew up and she voted for Obama in 2008 but because of one reason only she will vote for his opponent no matter what--the economy. She cant stand his economic policies and his constant attack on self reliance and personal accountability. She sees first hand and I mean every single day (by the way I mean every day) someone comes in looking for a job and says but I cant start until my unemployment runs out, or his bailout for everyone who made bad personal choices in life or government assistance for everyone. So yes Seeking Sanity not only can I name one but I know at 20 people in that same camp. Do you want to make a bet that even in good ole liberal Illinois that Obama wins by a much more narrower margin than 08? Wont be because of someone silly attempt at War on Women. I want to know Seeking where in Illinois you feel some sort of GOP war on yourself? Could it be the democratic party bankrupting our state?
" his constant attack on self reliance and personal accountability"
I must have missed that, do you have any links to those claims?
GOP RELEASES PROOF THAT ANN ROMNEY WORKS HARD AT BEING A MOM...
Further, Ann Romney's Chief Domestic Assistant released the following chronicle of a typical day in Ann Romney's life as a working mom...
8:00-8:30AM- Meet with staff in large dining room to discuss preparing Romney sons for European Mormon ministry trip. Hooray! Boys will be in Paris all summer!
8:30AM-9 ish AM- Draw bath for Ann Romney. Call for hair appointment and pedicure. Arrange for Louis Vitton rep to bring by samples of bags for campaign appearances.
9:30AM- 10:00AM - Have Ann Romney call SwissBank and transfer money from American accounts to Swiss account to avoid paying US taxes.
10:00AM- 12:00AM- Meet with interior decorating team to discuss remodels on 12 of the Romney family's 15 homes. Make sure to have personal secretary copy house staff at each location on the specific details of each remodel.
12:00- 2:30PM - Luncheon for 15-20 of largest contributors to Mitt's campaign. Catered, of course.
3:00-3:30PM - Meet with staff and identify illegal alien workers before campaign gets wind of it. However, don't fire them...Mitt likes to do that himself.
3:30-6:00pm - Cocktails and caviar with Mitt. Tell cook what to prepare.
6:30PM- Have dog walker clean dog poop off the roof of the car. Memo to self: No more strapping dog to top of car.
7:00pm- Discuss with Mitt what to say on Oprah appearance tomorrow. Play up MS and cancer angles. Rehearse boys names so I get them all straight during interview. Remember, I'm a working mom. (wink, wink)
Gingerbean - what an idiotic assumption. I work on two boards of not for profit organizations and take part in a number of activities each month for charities. What planet were you born on that only people like Ann Romney do this? If it is not part of your life - that's on you. Don't make an absolutely asinine assumption that because you don't make time for these programs others don't either. Clearly you don't have a clue.
First, I don't envy the Romney's in any aspect of their lives. I was raised by parents who worked hard; taught us to respect others - no matter what their status; taught us to realize that at any time any one of us could be faced with challenges we had not anticipated; taught us not to look down on anyone, regardless of their income or education; taught us that people who think they are better than others usually have problems and are taking out their insecurities on others. We were taught to work hard but to always realize we have a responsibility to give a hand up to those who are not as fortunate. See, I was raised by actual Christians, not like the far right today. I was raised by a mother and father who often would not sit down at a holiday table until they had served those less fortunate.
Your stupid and arrogant assumptions are undeniably disgusting. You speak from no knowledge of anything. Your ignorance is only overshadowed by your willingness to show how totally ignorant you truly are.
Detroit--name any one of his economic policies and lets discuss how self reliance and personal accountability are factored in. Lets start with his new policy for forgiving principal on mortgages that are underwater that even his own Fannie May chief said it just rewards bad choices and bad behavior. Lets discuss all of his rhetoric regarding inequality of outcomes, his unemployment insurance extensions (over the well researched conclusions by his own financial advisors), tax polices that are intended to punish the successful and rewarding those who choose different economic paths. As government assistance has increased 80% to $900 billion in 70 welfare programs in his first 3 years, his view of the nanny state is pretty apparent so not sure what part of those claims are disputable?
MkeMke--so I assume you think Buffet and Soros are avoiding US tax because of their Swiss bank accounts too right? Why is it that the elitest left constantly talk about the intellectual capacity of people voting for the GOP but when such obvious mistruths or misconceptions about having money in offshore bank accounts is made by the same elitest left--you dont question the intellectual level of someone like MkeMke who shows his economic ignorance. I guess you think that if some Swiss citizen decided to put money in a bank account with Bank of America it somehow is some tax dodging scheme when in the global economy people have cash in banks all around the world? If you put cash in a bank in Germany, Switzkerland or Hong Kong, sorry dude but you still pay tax on it and it isnt anything nefarious. I guess I should question your intellect for continuing to bring this up?
Kirk,
you made the assertion, please back it up with some citations. I know you think you are smart, but please try to prove it beyond your immediate circle of friends.
Detroit - even his immediate circle of friends doesn't think he's too bright!
Sorry Kirk but I'm not buying your garbage. Women know that a Republican president would take us back 100 years and that the GOP has no respect for women. We've seen the dismal excuses the GOP has representing women (Palin, Bachmann, O'Donnell) and we want none of what they are selling. And, I don't for one minute believe the pack of lies you are trying to sell about people coming into your mother's "business" looking for jobs and refusing to get off unemployment. That is just a total pack of lies and anyone who would believe you on that needs to have their head examined. We've all seen too many long lines of people trying to get work. That story is a crock.
Educated women will NOT vote for Romney.
Wow--Seeking Sanity--you must be a real hit with your friends. My guess is that you must be under the age of 25? Not real experienced are you? Can you engage without name calling or personal attacks? When someone has a different opinion than you do you always blow a gasket? I got news for you and if you live in Illinois, I am happy to take you and show you reality anytime you want. Unfortunately, what I told you isnt a pack of lies and to be honest, behavior hasnt really changed that much since the recession. My parents have a Hallmark Store and from the beginning people have come in and wanted to wait to work until unemployment ran. Our office manager here in my small office is currently doing the same thing as she looks for a job, trying to time if perfectly. By the way thats just human nature and go research the studies that show I am right. You must be too young to have actually experienced the work place and see human behavior first hand. Maybe as you mature and get some experience, you will not be such an angry young woman. As for GOP social platform, I actually agree with you. I hate it and in other elections like when Clinton was running I voted democratic. In this election, its about the economy first and Obama's policies are dismal failures and will continue to be so because he doesnt understand the intended and unintended consequences of his war on private enterprise. Seeking, the problem you have is my friends actually think I am fairly bright which is the problem dont you think? Do you want to compare pedigrees?
Detroit--actually my circle of friends include many Obama supporters most of which will vote for him this time too but they have the ability to understand when he is wrong and makes mistakes. They dont need to campaign for him like the posters on this site. Most of Obama supporters I know understand his economic policy weaknesses but vote for him because of the other traditionally socially liberal policies of the democratic party here in Illinois whether it be abortion, civil rights, union and education alliances etc. I dont have quoted cites just the results of his actions although I think his recent proposal for mortgage principal foregiveness is the awfully close dont you think to elimination of personal accountability and rewarding poor choices?
Kirk - I'm over 30 and clearly brighter than the people you are used to interacting with. The story you told is all lies - made up to make a point that doesn't exist. Since I have been working for some time I actually know what goes on daily in business settings. You're right on one front, this election is about the economy and President Obama presents the only logical choice. But, for women there are also other considerations and again, the only choice is President Obama. You have clearly never had to work harder to get a job since you are not a women. I'll compare my pedigree with yours any day and come out ahead every time. I spent from the 5th grade up in gifted programs then went on to finish school with honors.
I don't know anyone who is not able to see that President Obama - like every President - has made mistakes. No one has said he doesn't. But, he is heads above his competition.
And, since I am in the mortgage industry I can say you like so many others refuse to acknowledge that what he is proposing is not absolving anyone of poor choices. It is recognizing the market has done something never seen before in this country. People bought homes well within their ability to pay mortgages on then those homes values sank. They are no longer able to refinance - not due to poor choices but due to an unprecedented sinking of home values. What he is proposing is to help those people who are paying their mortgages yet still unable to take advantage of the low rates we have. They did NOT buy over their heads; they did NOT default on loans; they DID NOTHING wrong.
Oh - I am a big hit with my friends as well as new acquaintances!
gingerbean - turn off Fox and get in the real world. I believe the subject was working mothers. They don't have a choice as Mrs. Romney does. And btw, Ann did live off of the taxpayers when she was the First Lady of Massachusetts.
SeekingSanity:
"you can't name 1 female voter here in Illinois that will pull the lever for Romney. We are all too smart for that. "
I've read your broad based, general and fact less posts and I do not believe you should not include yourself in the statement "We are all too smart for that." Because you showcase your ignorance in every one of your post. Good luck to you in what will be a worthless, moronic life. BTW, your post name is very accurate of you...seeking sanity is something you will be seeking all your life.
Kinda late in answering and not sure anyone will see but they voted for Romney instead of Santorum.
Seeking Sanity, there is nothing wrong with having the opinions that you have and that you feel that Obama is YOUR best choice. That doesnt make any of us who feel differently less intelligent or misguided. Why do you think the story I told is all lies? There is a ton of research that backs up my factual stories including one by Summers Obama's formal financial advisor. Sorry to burst your bubble but I am over 50, and your honors in high school mean nothing. So far you arent even within spitting range of me in experience or education so personal attacks towards my intelligence because I might disagree with you isnt going to work nor is your experience within miles of mine. So lets stop the name calling and attempts at condescension and actually have a discussion about experiences and issues. Stop trying to campaign for Obama and you might actually learn something.
Although you make wild claims about borrowers in the mortgage mess I will bite, I never said it was the fault of the borrower that their home values went down, but it was their choice and its not accurate to say they didnt buy over their heads because in many cases they did but in alot of cases they didnt. The problem is that your argument can be applied to so many other investment or financial choices made by people everyday and is it the government's job to bail people out for the unfortunate circumstances of that mistake. So when the local small business owner invests in a gas station, dry cleaners, subway, dunkin donuts or Hallmark store and 1 year later, the local plant shuts down nearby decreasing customers and the value of their business below the loan they took out to start it, should we bail them out? It lost value totally outside their control? What about the people who have paid and made wiser or more fortunate investment decisions? How do you control for the people who did bite off more than they could chew. I never said this was an easy call but I dont think the right one is bail outs by the government.
Seeking Sanity--you are one of those bleeding hearts that probably that never understands the unintended consequences of their actions.
wtfjes66 - yes still seeking sanity in the GOP and you and others like you show how useless it is as there is no sanity to be found there.
kirk - your assumption of my age again shows you don't have a clue. I said I was over 30 - didn't say by how much. And, my experience is still is heads above yours. you've even backtracked on your lies - now attributing them to one of Obama's formal financial advisors. Keep trying - maybe someone will believe you.
If you don't want someone being condescending toward you perhaps you shouldn't be condescending. Oh wait - I forgot - it's okay for you but not for someone who doesn't agree with you.
Your post shows you have no knowledge of the mortgage situation. I made no wild claims. My facts can be backed up. It is you who are making wild, uneducated and unsubstantiated claims. The mortgage situation is not at all like the situations you have mentioned as it is much more widespread. It is throughout the entire country so there is no comparison - which an intelligent person would understand. That is what makes it different as all financial experts realize.
I totally understand the consequences of my actions. I am responsible for myself and don't need an arrogant a** like you trying to talk down to me. And, just for the record, I'd rather be a bleeding heart that has compassion for people than a cold hearted, non-caring person like you.
No Seeking Sanity--I was just giving you additional data to back my story up. Sorry to inform you that yes my parents do own a Hallmark store and I did grow up in a small town and I did attend an East coast college and then law school, M&A lawyer eventually moving to a family office and CFO of one of their companies and currently in the private equity real estate business. If your experience trumps mine, good for you and I would seriously doubt you have any experience starting and working in a small business. See I have actually run a cash register and do the books etc when I was a kid and still around today. Sorry but the unemployment stories are true then and still today. I was never condescending to you and you started with the personal attacks from the moment you read one of my posts solely because you disagree with me. Thats not a good reason especially for a bleeding heart. Not only am I familiar with the mortgage situation I deal with it daily but more on the office, retail and multi family side but deal with the banks, special servicers, receivers and bankruptcy proceedings virtually every day. I guess its possible that we are both right with two very different life experiences and so far I have not attacked you for yours. How do you make the leap that because my experiences are different than your that I am cold hearted non caring person? That is a big leap. So tell me is it cold hearted and not compassionate if I think that sometimes it might be better for the group that a few people may suffer or do you think its better to save the individual over the group. For example, if it is shown that childhood vaccinations kill 1 out of every million vaccinated but not vaccinating children will cause thousands to die of the disease? Eliminating DDT as a pesticide saved an annual 200 deaths a year but caused 3 million additional malaria deaths. The recent EPA rules for coal plants are estimated to save 4500 lives out of 300 million living in the US but will cause 25,000 jobs to be lost, several billion in economic damage, thousands of deaths by suicide and dependency addictions (all estimates).
Finally let me ask you if you are one of those crying for economic fairness? You think its economically fair to make the rich pay even more right? So what is economically fair about bailing out my neighbors bad decision on a mortgage versus my other neighbors bad decision on a small business investment, or bailing out my other neighbor because for no cause of his own, his daughter got really sick and he is bankrupt with medical bills, or my other neighbor who gambled and lost all of his money, or my other neighbor who decided so not save for a rainy day and spent all of their money so when he lost his job, he couldnt make his mortgage payment over my other neighbor who paid all of his bills on time, saved for a rainy day and now gets nothing? Who is the compassionate one?
Kurt again with the lies about the mortgage situation. But, you don't care about the truth. You just keep those blinders on and keep spouting your lies. It shows how out of touch with reality you are.
And, again, I'll match you any day on experience and education. Don't think you're the only person who's worked their way to where they are. You are not even slightly remarkable.
Seeking Sanity--I am not campaigning for anyone just providing my personal experience and the only one reading it is you so what purpose do I have to lie. You can tell me your experience is different which is fine but doesnt make me a liar. I am given you proof and I can even cite article after article--just google these issues for yourself. I gave you economic fairness questions in which you refused to answer because you cant. How am I out of touch because you refuse to open your mind and listen. Nothing I say or post means you have to change your vote because I respect YOUR wish to vote for Obama but that doesnt mean our experiences, views and opinions are out of touch with reality. Stop making this so personal and use this anonymous board to actually learn something.
As for being remarkable, never said I was--you started the personal attacks and constantly view your intelligence and experience as being so beyond my ability to understand. I was just giving you a reply that calls your attacks into question. I doubt you can match in experience or education because you would understand our current real estate issues far better and understand the consequences of many of various economic policies that are being proposed. Well reasoned policy arguments can be made by both sides and reasonable people can question and support one versus another. You dont seem to have that capacity nor do you even bring well reasoned support for any of the policies we are discussing--only personal attacks. Feel free to give me your experience for example with hiring employees, managing them, running a business, obtaining financing, negotiating the agreements, working with lenders, negotiating workouts etc. If you have that experience and can provide me the reasons why you think my economic fairness opinions are wrong--prove it with why!
So is romney's wife as frequent a liar as romney? I haven't paid much attention to this, but IIRC Rosen ridiculed her economic and political knowledge, not her mommyhood skills, and not her nanny management skills.
And re. romney's lies, remember anything he said about poor mothers doesn't apply to Ladies of Wealth.
Well, a little criticism self-criticism is in order: to be accurate, anything romney says about anything doesn't apply to anything he has said before or anything he will say later or, in fact, anything that has existed, now exists, or will exist.
Fix income inequality with $10 million loans for everyone!
By Sheila Bair, Published: April 13
Are you concerned about growing income inequality in America? Are you resentful of all that wealth concentrated in the 1 percent? I’ve got the perfect solution, a modest proposal that involves just a small adjustment in the Federal Reserve’s easy monetary policy. Best of all, it will mean that none of us have to work for a living anymore.
For several years now, the Fed has been making money available to the financial sector at near-zero interest rates. Big banks and hedge funds, among others, have taken this cheap money and invested it in securities with high yields. This type of profit-making, called the “carry trade,” has been enormously profitable for them.
So why not let everyone participate?
Under my plan, each American household could borrow $10 million from the Fed at zero interest. The more conservative among us can take that money and buy 10-year Treasury bonds. At the current 2 percent annual interest rate, we can pocket a nice $200,000 a year to live on. The more adventuresome can buy 10-year Greek debt at 21 percent, for an annual income of $2.1 million. Or if Greece is a little too risky for you, go with Portugal, at about 12 percent, or $1.2 million dollars a year. (No sense in getting greedy.)
Think of what we can do with all that money. We can pay off our underwater mortgages and replenish our retirement accounts without spending one day schlepping into the office. With a few quick keystrokes, we’ll be golden for the next 10 years.
Because we will be making money in basically the same way as hedge fund managers, we should have to pay only 15 percent in taxes, just like they do. And since we will be earning money through investments, not work, we won’t have to pay Social Security taxes or Medicare premiums. That means no more money will go into these programs, but so what? No one will need them anymore, with all the cash we’ll be raking in thanks to our cheap loans from the Fed.
Come to think of it, by getting rid of work, we can eliminate a lot of government programs. For instance, who needs unemployment benefits and job retraining when everyone has joined the investor class? And forget the trade deficit. Heck, we want those foreign workers to keep providing us with goods and services.
We can stop worrying about education, too. Who needs to understand the value of pi or the history of civilization when all you have to do to make a living is order up a few trades? Let the kids stay home with us. They can play video games while we pop bonbons and watch the soaps and talk shows. The liberals will love this plan because it reduces income inequality; the conservatives will love it because it promotes family time.
Some may worry about inflation and long-term stability under my proposal. I say they lack faith in our country. So what if it cost 50 billion marks to mail a letter when the German central bank tried printing money to pay idle workers in 1923?
That couldn’t happen here. This is America. Why should hedge funds and big financial institutions get all the goodies?
Look out 1 percent, here we come.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fix-income-inequality-with-10-million-loans-for-everyone/2012/04/13/gIQATUQAFT_story.html
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Sounds ridiculous don’t it.
Yet it goes on every day.
This is the vision that the Yahoo’s have for us.
Without the 10 million seed money of course.
Can’t give the masses money don’t ‘cha know.
Hell they might not know what to do with it.
Wrong again, IR. The fundamental conservative rationale for lower taxes and smaller government is that the masses DO know how to spend their money better than the government.
I read that article as well. It was a humorous op-ed on the fiscal insanity of both parties policies. 11 years of fiscal mismanagement and counting.
There was another article over the weekend called Taxmageddon. If the administration and Congress do not start negotiating and come up with a plan we are in for a very rocky 8 months. And if you don't think this uncertainty is affecting investment and spending decisions then I think you are fooling yourself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/sunday-review/coming-soon-taxmageddon.html
Your totally wrong Bill. The fundamental tea people Koch conservative rationale for lower taxes is to give more money to the rich so they can get bigger donations for reelection. And the rationale for smaller government is you tea people Koch conservatives just don't understand what made and what makes our country great.
Okay Bill I'll be down to collect my 10 Million check later in the day. If you think that Hedge funds and Banks can't spend it any better than I can then you don't have a problem with the loan I take it.
To even suggest Ann Romney "worked" as a mother is an insult to all stay at home moms. Ann Romney had maids, nannies, gardners, and servants to do the real work. Her "work" consisted of answering the phone when the school called and maintaining her social calendar.
Ind. Redneck. I agree with your premise with one difference. Why didn't the gov't just give all the stimulus and bail out money directly to the people in the first place? Think of the jump start that would have given the economy. The amount to each family would not have by itself been radically inflationary. It would have injected needed capital into the primary economy and gov't revenues would have skyrocketed along with the rapid need for employees. Many would have invested or saved. Too bad the dems pisse dit all away.
Hi Shredder, I guess you were there to witness it all. I know she has MS and is a cancer survivor, plus she gave birth to five boys. Why her life must be a cake walk compared to ours.
How about you give us some facts to back your statements up?
One of my friends in school had a stay at home mom. They lived in a trailer and she stayed at home and smoked dope all day long. We would stop by after school and get high with her. What a great role model. Oh yeah she would supplement her welfare check by having her son sell weed at school. They lived the American dream, and wouldn't you know it she is a huge Obama supporter.
JohnC...Your post proves what all righties are after. Taxpayers are NOT responsible to provide funding to keep Big Business in business long after their shelf life has expired. It was the Republicans 2 weeks ago who overrode the people when they demanded a continuance of $4 billion taxpayer dollars to Big Oil.
Big Oil? 1st fiscal quarter? Blaming their predatory price increase on the possibility of war with Iran? No war with Iran...just a 2nd fiscal quarter predatory price increase this time using the excuse that the price of crude oil is up...BS. OPEC publicly stated that consumption has dropped from 8 millions barrels produced in 1975 to under 2 million barrels produced in 2012.
3rd Fiscal Quarter predatory price increase? The Martians landed and sucked up all the oil in those already overflowing rigs.
It is not the responsibility of Americans to work solely for the purpose of keeping Big Business profitable. That's the job of Big Business.
Diamond60 - what a ridiculous post. The Romney's never had to worry about where their rent or food money came from. My mother raised 4 of us as a stay at home Mother. But, she actually raised us- no nannies, a maid off and on. She did all the grocery shopping; sewed; cleaned; and helped us with our homework. She knew the price of groceries as well as the cost of everything else. So Ann Romney has MS - I am sorry she has - but there are lots of women out there with MS who have not had the opportunities she has. And, there are also a lot of women who have or have battled cancer and have not had the great medical support she has. She is nothing special and actually cannot relate to most women. My favorite line of hers "I don't consider us wealthy." Well of course not. Most of us have 9 homes. Get real.
Your example of the mother you knew says more about you than it does about Obama supporters.
@(keep)seeking sanity - you sound jealous. Typical lib "I want my fair share" dribble. Envy is a sin.
So is blatent lies a sin danna. Plus greed, gluttony..... Typical con. "What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine"!!
danna-2425196 - no envy here. I work and make my own money. I don't care about the money the Romney's have. I do care that Mitt doesn't have a clue about the majority of Americans and what each of us goes through. Why would I be jealous?
eggberta - danna isn't going to understand your post!
Hey, Danna - look up "gluttony" some time and then come back and lecture us on sins. Is wanting a fair share a bad thing or should we just look down with our hat in our hands and shuffle our feet when people like the Romneys are near? How dare Americans want a level playing field, eh?
Diamond60: How dare you! My mom was a stay at home mom because that is what she and my Dad wanted. We grew up very poor, very poor. My mom did the best she could for us and always made us feel loved. She had cancer which further put us in the poor house. But we grew up knowing right from wrong, being taught tolerence for all, love of God and our country and family. And we are all Democrats and poud of our president. And just fyI: we are white and my Dad forged Iron for a living when we were little, 5 of us. My parents are in there late 70's now and on medicare and social security.They earned it.
SeekingSanity
you say exactly in your post what danna-2425196 says you said.....so why deny it. It's typical of small minds to say something and then deny that's what they said.
People like you always talk about "fair share" - mimicking obama's class warfare rethoric........who EVER promised you a fair share - I was never offered a fair share and I never held it against anyone, why should I? I'm responsible for myself!....I went out and got my share on my own and never had to take it from anyone else or begrudged them for theirs. Come be real and get a life! No one owes you anything you idiot!
wtfjes66 - you are an imbecile. I said none of what you accuse me of in any of my posts. You are a ridiculous liar and apparently can't read as well. I earn my own living and haven't asked for a damned thing you stupid moron!
Diamond60,
If your friend's mom was on drugs and your friend was selling dope, you'd think they'd want to support Ron Paul, not Obama. Just goes to show you that most of you GOP types have friends that are too stupid to vote their own self interest.
If everyone was smart enough to vote their own self interest, the GOP would lose every election by 80%....
A “Modest Proposal” of My Own
Before we get to the proposal, let’s get one thing straight about the Hillary Rosen non-troversy.
Ann Romney got dragged into this SOLELY because Mitt Romney dragged her in. Romney apparently has no position of his own on women's issues -- something that is characteristic for Romney on virtually ALL issues. And so, on women’s issues, Mitt leans on Ann. Or says he does. He thus implicitly asserts that she has some special and legitimate perspective to lend the issue.
Ann Romney supposedly told Mitt that women weren’t really concerned about birth control or abortion or rape or transvaginal probes. According to Ann Romney, all women really care about is reducing the federal deficit.
Make no mistake about this. Ann Romney did not start the fight, but neither did Hillary Rosen. Hillary Rosen merely had the audacity to question Ann Romney’s perspective as related to women's economic issues. In proper context, of course, this certainly was a fair question, although perhaps she put it too aggressively for the delicate sensibilities of some.
Phony baloney, I say.
Prior to this point, when critics pointed questions at Romney about his positions on women’s issues, he turned and pointed at Ann. It all worked pretty well until a pundit with guts finally stood up and rightly questioned Ann’s perspective. The right-wing immediately closed ranks and accused Rosen of attacking stay-home moms, thus transforming Ann Romney from garden-variety campaign adviser to a sainted martyr. No criticism may be made of Mrs. Romney, even though whatever Mitt himself says on the campaign is –- or should be -- fairly open to criticism, and even if Mitt gets it directly from his wife.
In effect, Romney now has a perfect shield in the form of his wife. Clever, no?
And also familiar, as this is exactly what right-wing religious zealots do. Even Mitt Romney does this to the extent that his current views on abortion and Planned Parenthood are founded in religion, and yet he claims that his religion should be out of bounds in the campaign.
Huh? Since when has the right wing EVER given the President a pass on HIS religion?
Anyway, I digress. To make matters worse, the President and Vice-President immediately snatched the bait, falling all over each other to be the first guy on the block to declare spouses off limits. Hollow chivalry, if ever there was. Michelle Obama has certainly never been free from partisan attacks, even for such seemingly benign, non-political activities like having an organic garden and trying to get kids to eat healthy.
This is not rocket science, folks. If being against childhood obesity somehow opens Michelle Obama to vile insults from punks like Rush Limbaugh, then Ann Romney’s providing advice to a Presidential candidate on women’s issues –- assuming that you believe this is how it really works –- clearly opens her opinions for scrutiny and criticism.
Ann Romney was not born a political partisan. She and Mitt made her one. And now Mitt hides behind her skirts. “You wouldn’t attack a woman, now would you, fellas?”
My hero.
In the final analysis, however, this entire mess does a total disservice BOTH to working moms and stay-home moms. Ann Romney is typical of neither, ESPECIALLY as to economic issues. If she was a stay-home mother of 5 children trying to get by on a factory-worker’s salary, and having to make real economic choices among putting food on the table and putting $5 gas in the car and paying ever-increasing health insurance premiums and co-pays, maybe she’d have something important to say about women and economics.
But as it is, not so much.
Mitt's most recent stumble over his tongue about single mothers having to work in order to receive government benefits marks yet another milestone on his highway to hypocrisy heaven. To Romney –- at least for the moment -- the right to life is sacred to the fabric of our society, to be preserved at all costs, and even at the expense of a woman’s right to choose. And stay-home moms like Ann Romney are evidently morally preferable to "that other kind,” like me, Hillary Rosen, and millions of other working moms.
Yet, ironically, according to Mitt Romney himself, the sacred work of stay-home moms is only important enough to be preserved if they happen to be rich enough.
Someone at Facebook said yesterday that she could see all these points well enough, but in the end, who is supposed to pay for the children of single mothers. Not her, apparently, and apparently not Mitt Romney.
Well, duh. Who really wants to, anyway? Not me, either.
And yet, Romney is against abortion, and even against family planning, which prevents unwanted pregnancies, decreases abortions, and ensures that fewer children are born into single parent situations in the first place.
But HEAVEN FORBID that we women wage such an unholy war against the otherwise irrepressible male sperm. And heaven also forbid that we women expect MEN to take some responsibility for family planning or support the children they father. And, finally, as Glenn Grothman tells us, heaven forbid that we pay women equally because, after all, they’re not really worried about money. Only men do that sort of dirty work.
Oh, really? Since when did the never-married Grothman, father of none, have a right to speak for working mothers, or for women in general?
And doesn’t what he said directly contradict what Ann Romney said?
And so, around we go, once more.
And that, in turn, brings us to my “modest proposal”:
If Mitt Romney and other conservatives were really interested in the plight of single mothers, or really cared a hill of beans about having ALL “gifts from God” reared by stay-home moms, then included in their agenda should be a detailed proposal for making sure that the fathers of ALL children support them, so that their mothers would not be required to work, as Mitt’s own wife was not. And if that fails – as it regretfully, and inevitably, will -- then the government surely should provide what Romney casually terms a “safety net” to preserve the sacred work of stay-home moms, so that mothers would never have to worry about money again. Surely, God does not want the mothers of his “gifts” to work or to worry about money. At least, that’s what Glenn Grothman says.
And yet, no such proposal exists.
Why not? Because, when all is said and done, conservative men don’t really believe in the things they try to sell you, which is why they are constantly tripping over their own tongues and each other’s tongues. As I have heard Gloria Steinem say, for example, the abortion debate is not really about whether there should be choice. It’s about who gets to choose.
A tale as old as time … The Handmaid’s Tale.
Yes, abortions have made this a much richer country. When the Supreme Court ruled on Roe V. Wade, they were thinking in economic terms.
Well think about it. What costs more: an abortion, or another baby on welfare?
Yawn. What horses**t is flowing from your moronic mouth. You are living proof that You Can Not Fix Stupid. Just ask your mom & dad.
Not that I really care but exactly what is his religion? I understand it it's Christianity but what flavor?
BTW I'm an atheist so to me they are all cults, and if you don't want to answer this don't, it really is irrelevant.
I'm pro-choice but that is one sick comment.
How so? We're examining financial burdens here.
We have people like Octomom dropping babies like no tomorrow, and then going on the government gravy train to pay for it. You don't see anything 'sick' about that?
Because I do.
It ticked me off to read Ann Romney chortling that comments about her stay at home mom status were an "early birthday gift."
I have no interest in this woman. She's nothing special. Last night I saw a clip of Mike Wallace interviewing Eleanor Roosevelt where she acknowledged people hated her. Why do rightwingers hate Democratic First Ladies? For making strides in civil rights, for caring about children and seniors, the environment, all those typical "liberal issues" rightwingers like to rant about. Why do I dislke Ann Romney? Because her hair is a mess and she has more money than taste. That is certainly shallow of me - about a shallow as she is.
Yes, she and the Duggers and crazy, but I would be more in favor of enforced contraception than abortion. Abortion should not be used as a form of contraception.
Bravo, Anna Molly. And now we learn that Ann Romney considers the whole issue "an early birthday present." She plays the mommy card and the illness card and then is "giddy" about the ensuing discussion. She is no better than her husband.
I agree with this. But I also believe in cutting funding for welfare for those that spit out children.
Let's face it, with parents like that the children will suffer anyway, welfare or no. Their only hope to break the cycle is adoption.
Also, call me a radical, but I'd be in favor of a two child limit.
Not really. In fact, even you know that health insurance companies prefer to pay for birth control rather than pregnancies, for that very same reason.
My point, exactly. Even asking the question about "flavor" is out of bounds, unless Mitt Romney's religion is also fair game. If one is relevant, then both are.
Maybe not, although I suspect that would be hard to prove, either way. But check the education levels in states where there is high teenage pregnancy, the deep south for example, against states where it is low, the northern tier, for example. And then tell me what you think that says.
Not surprising. Her overcoming cancer and MS have no redeeming qualities in your eyes. And it's certain you'll be critical of all the vacations she takes once she is First Lady.
Amy Romney is much like your patron saint of the Democrats, Jackie Kennedy. The Leftie loons just loved her, but for some reason they hate Ms. Romney.
So all cancer survivors must be liked by all? I don't follow this logic.
Oh, pish. No one hates Ann Romney. But that's a perfect example of the persecution fiction created by the right in order to deflect scrutiny from Ann Romney's supposed opinions.
And the difference is that Jackie Kennedy stayed out of politics. In addition, those were more civil times.
As a two-time cancer survivor myself, I resent your bringing her health issues into this debate in yet another phony baloney attempt at deflection.
Unless you're saying that health issues made her do it, what Ann Romney says either stands on its merit or it doesn't.
But the pity party is SO predictable when you don't have anything else.
Bit radical for me and very like China. However, I do agree that after a certain number there should be no tax deductions for children. My number was 3 as that's the replacement rate for the population.
As for welfare, I think Romney has a defensible position in that he wants single mothers to work but accepts that state will have to pick up the child care costs.
It's interesting because there was speculation this morning that the Obama's campaign on "Secret Romney" was a dog whistle on the Mormon religion. If they pursue this I think it's a mistake because it sill just bring the focus back to Obama. This type of politics is very depressing.
Anna Molly:
Spectacular. For those who wish to criticize Anna Molly's insight on the abortion question, do yourself a favor and read Freakonomics.
For you talking point right-wingers, repeat this very slowly - Planned Parenthood. The operative word is Planned. Come on, say it - PLANNED.
Amy Romney is much like your patron saint of the Democrats, Jackie Kennedy. The Leftie loons just loved her, but for some reason they hate Ms. Romney.
What a bizarre analogy. Republicans really do want to go back to Mad Men days, when women had no choice, but to stay home after earning their Mrs. degree. Of course, if they did choose to work there was no guarentee they wouldn't face sexual harrassment and unequal pay...but then those lousy liberals fixed all that. Darn those liberals! Now Ann Romney has no excuse for living the country club life.
2 would cover replacement wouldn't it?
Also, the worrying part of a 'X Child Limit' rule would be enforcement. China has often times forced sterilization. Obviously I would never support such a thing here, maybe some kind of tax penalty or something.
I don't know. Just brainstorming.
And if you require an abortion you consider that planned?
Good gosh, who feeds you this nonsense? You really need to diversify your news sources and not be spoon fed the garbage NBC and MSNBC put out.
Obama himself pays the women on his administrative staff 18% less than the men. So the liberals fixed what again?
And if you want to talk about workplace sexual harassment, lets talk about another patron saint of the Democrats, Bill Clinton.
It's between 2 and 3. You have to allow for childless adults. If you look at the birth rates in Europe they're around 2 and their populations are dropping. Russia is in big trouble (so is Italy which is quite amusing). Also, the gender imbalance that China has created is very worrying. All those young men with no chance of reproducing. That's how wars start.
Ah, I was under the impression it was like 1.8 or something.
Of course, a small drop in our population wouldn't be too bad.
Joanna: what are your sources for that 18% less figure you take from the republican talking points of the day? That leaves out quite a few highly paid women (unless you want to by the garbage only the lowest ranking women are qualified as "staff"). And just what planet are you on that you know so little about the recent history of legal sex discrimination in this country that resulted in the kinds of inequality we're trying to move beyond (well, with footdraggers like you notwithstanding). Garbage? Mr. Romney is waffling once again on pay equity (he's been against it in the past)--just one of the many, many issues that leads a whole lot of independent voters to conclude that the only trouble you and conservatives like you have with the "war on women" is truth in labeling.
Sure. Rosen and Maher are best buds with Ann. They treat here with the dignity and respoect Ms. Romney dserves.
I think Amy B hates Ann too.
"Deflect scrutiny from her supposed options" - Any one have any idea what that translates to?
And who exactly is being uncivil in this case?
David, I love it when you cite Freakonomics because I am sure you read Super Freakonomics right? Does this mean that you dont buy Obama's oil energy policy and his green energy/global warming policies? The book sure makes a mockery of Obama's energy policies so its nice that you site this book.
As for Planned Parenthood, I still havent gotten any answer from the progressive supporters on here who also use "economic fairness" in their rhetoric all the time explain why its economically fair that Planned Parenthood even gets a dollar of federal funding as a charity? What is economically fair about taxpayers subsidizing planned parenthood ever any other funding such as Autism or SIDs research, Cancer research of anykind, and the list could go on and on. What is the economic fairness rationale?
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JoAnnaSmith1
Ann Romney is the most inconsequential person on the national stage. Her comment that the Rosen flap was an "early birthday present" tells me she has about as much substance to her as her husband. Say anything to get elected, that's the Romneys.
Ann Romney, is Ann Romney. I'm sure raising five boys was no cakewalk, however, I'm also sure she has zero insight into the plight of poor/middle class, working or non-working mothers. You can't deny reality, working hard at being a mom doesn't make you an expert on what it's like to be a member of the middle class. It's apples and oranges.
Why would we talk about someone who's been out of office for 12 years???
No, Ruken, statistically, 2 would not be the rate of population replacement, as not every person has children. 2 children per couple would be personal replacement, but 3 children seems a reasonable rate for population replacement, allowing a margin of error to account for those who either choose to or are unable to produce children to replace themselves. There's also the issue of childhood mortality from diseases and accidents and the like -- not fun to think about, but a definite reality that not every child born will live long enough to contribute to sustaining the population, so, again, allowing a mergin of error is important. Just something to throw in to that brainstorming of yours.
I would love for someone to ask Ann Romney what is in hamburger helper, and hear her stumble and say "hamburger, obviously"...Yes, its so hard having to decide which Cadillac to drive.
Don't even go there demonizing "single Moms". No man in the USA dares open his fat yap about single Moms because he gets paid $1.00 for every 71 cents a woman earns. How dare any man who abandons his family, forces his wife and kids into living on a single income while he remarries and lives on 2?
How dare any man demonizing the Mom he made "single" because he couldn't honor his commitment? Romney's religion is one where women know they must marry. Check out the number of Mormon women who are "single Moms". Less than .0001%. What does that say about Romney's advice on daycare or working single Moms?
I was both a stay at home Mom for 5 years and a divorced single Mom. I was never on welfare or collected alimony because I knew how to earn a living for myself and my 2 children. I know what single Moms live through. They NEVER EVER reach the same levels of financial security unless they are movie stars or are lucky enough to make it to CEO past the Testosterone Brigade's Glass Ceiling. And God help any woman smart enough to do that. The testosterone rage is enough to keep hell in fire for 6 eternities.
Now that my children are grown, I see that men are still giving working single Moms the shaft. I left the GOP party because I got fed up with hearing ONLY male voices doing all the yapping and then having the gall to tell women what women have known since the dawn of time.
In a perfect world, men would shut their yaps, move their asses and stop looking around for everyone else to lay their blame on. Till then, women must, must, must protect their rights. This, we owe to our children.
So should we put you Annie in the Roson/Maher camp that is critical and joking about stay at home moms?
Seems that way.
Amy, how many examples do you want me to post of the Obamas saying anything to get elected. Why will you not accept that Obama is a politician? He is no different in means than Romney. You may like him because his objectives are different but the methods he employs to get there are the same as Romney's, and that includes saying anything he thinks will get him elected.
As an example look at the Lobbyist story that broke over the weekend. So instead of having lobbyists at the WH (officially) they come as guests of large donors. How does that make feel about the emphasis they always put on small donors? Pretty disingenuous on the part of Obama.
At the end of the day its pay to play, just like the Bush Administration.
I would think anybody with Detroit in their screen name would be happy that the Romney's are buying Cadillacs.
Detroit,
I'm also willing to bet she would assume the "Helper" is her chef.
Tru dat.
1.8 must have been the current birth rate or something then. I just knew I saw that somewhere.
How dare you?
I'm the one who said the Romneys have done disservice to BOTH stay-home and working moms.
And Rosen never criticized stay-home moms. She criticized ONE stay-home mom -- whose economic experience is nothing like the economic experience of MOST stay-home moms -- for expressing the opinion that women are more concerned with reducing the deficit than with the myriad OTHER economic issues that are facing them.
THAT opinion deserves to be examined on its own merits, and the perspective of the woman who fed it to the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee it is highly relevant, regardless of her health condition.
So stop with the "victim" routine, please. It's getting really old, like most of your attack routines. Why, next thing you know, you'll accuse ME of being mentally unstable.
Which will, as always, say much more about you than it does about me.
Like I said, SO predictable.
The funny part is, of course, that you seem bright and you're articulate enough. You would probably even BE a pretty good flame-thrower, if there was ever any REAL fuel in your tank.
Better stick with cowchips. You're good at that.
She also has zero ties to the Obama White House/Campaign, and doesn't work for the DNC in any official capacity. She's a cable pundit, that's it.
Comparing that to members of the RNC, who are actively attempting to legislate or "unlegislate" programs that assist or are focused on women... Romney claiming that there's really a DNC "War on Women" is grasping at straws, big time.
The first rule of Rovian politics... Take you weakness and make it your enemy's.
I was actually talking about Ann Romney's comment, which deserves to be considered on the merits, whether she's a working mom, a stay-home mom, not a mom, a transvestite, a lesbian, atheist, Catholic, Jewish, Wiccan, or anything else, and totally irrespective of her health condition, unless someone is trying to say she was goofy because she's sick.
In which case, that needs to be considered, too.
As for Rosen's ties to the White House, it really doesn't matter, and the President was wrong to throw her under the bus the way he did. Joe Biden, too.
As the past few days have proven, all they did was to embolden the Romneys by tossing them more of the red meat they were looking for.
Anna,
I don't think Obama threw her under the bus. I think she made a stupid comment he didn't agree with. Romney was going to run with this regardless.
Tell that to the Democrats, the Democratic operatives like Axlerod, and Obama, who couldn't get out in front of the cameras fast enough to be critical of Ms. Rosen. You see Annie, the Democrats are trying to construct the perception that they are for women, and the GOP is not. Any action that upsets that little imagery requires that Ms. Rosen be thrown under the bus. It was bound to happen. When the media continues to let this line of attack by the Dems to continue unquestioned, there is always one in the pack that gets too full of themseleves and goes too far, and that would be Ms. Rosen.
This is actually delusional. When did the Romeny's ever campaign on what kind of parents they are? But this continues the distractions the Dems continue to throw up. Tax returns, stay at home moms, fair-share taxing. It's all one giant smoke screen to not talk about Obama's record.
To both Sarah and JoAnna --
I've made my position on this pretty clear. Rosen's comment wasn't stupid, although it was strongly worded. It was legitimate commentary, and Ann Romney's particular viewpoint is fair game for criticism. She and Mitt put her in that position.
In my view, the President was wrong, and Ann Romney's triumphant victimhood is the natural and predictable result, at least in part, of his jumping on the wrong bandwagon without clearly thinking this through.
Sarah, this is exactly what the right wants you to think. Defend the President if you want to, but you can see that puts you into a position almost perfectly aligned with JoAnna Smith on this one. At the very least, that ought to give you pause.
Anna,
Not really. I understand that you're saying substantively, what Rosen said wasn't technically a shot at stay home mom's, but that's what she communicated.
Also, I don't think what anyone "wants" me to think. I think what I think. And I think she said a dumb thing. Politically and just in general. She needs to think her sh** through before going on TV, otherwise she needs to deal with the backlash. And the POTUS, being a politician, has every right to distance himself from that comment. He didn't make her into a victim, it made him look civil, and I like that.
Detroit Storm - Ann would proudly tell you that hamburger helper is the cook, who prepares the hamburgers. Next question, please?
It took away a carefully crafted talking point for the Democrats. That's why the Democrats came out of the woodwork to chastise Rosen.
Hey Sarah, good morning to you. I do pose you a question.
Why is it that everyone on here talks about Ann Romney not actually raising her kids because her family is very wealthy? One could argue that the Obamas are pretty well off and that they have had all sorts of help raising their kids. Do you actually think that Michele Obama has been a full time stay at home mom?
I understand the value of working moms and stay at home moms. Whether or not they are well off is a moot point, honestly.
I also pose this question. If you were an MS and cancer survivor, wouldnt you want help if you could get it?
AM -- you make an eloquent case, but it doesn't matter. What matters is the optics, the perceptions out there, and when the Dems "snatched the bait" as you put it the Republicans were able to work the high ground to their advantage and challenge the Democratic "war on women" narrative. Politics is a contact sport where logic is often bruised, and Rosen's unforced political error turned into a nice little gift for the good guys regardless of any presumed substantive merit in her remarks.
BTW, I surrender my crown for longest post of the year to you. But tomorrow is another day...
Sarah - I agree that Rosen's remarks were unfortunate particularly when you consider that the other side was just peeing in their pants waiting for something to jump on. At least Obama came out and voiced his displeasure with what Rosen said unlike the Republicans who had very measured remarks about Rush's comments. In addition, some pretty awful things have been said about Mrs Obama and Hillary Clinton but I don't see anyone backing off on that.
Raffthegreat - Michelle Obama worked outside the home and had her mother to help with her children when she was not home. And, I wish Ann Romney had not had cancer or MS. But, the facts are that many women suffer from illness and are not as fortunate as she has been with outside help in the everyday tasks women face in raising their children - often while working outside the home. Whether they are well-off is NOT a moot point. Women very often have to do double duty. Claiming that Ann Romney has any idea what that is like is laughable.
So because they are well off, you think they dont parent their own children? Puh-leeze. Even if that is the case, it's no ones' business but hers and Mitts.
I'm sure you would take all the help you could get raising your kids. I don't think many people on this board have room to speak because they would be acting in a similar fashion, under her circumstances. And by similar circumstances, I mean dealing with cancer, MS and having a wealthy husband.
You are lying if you say that you wouldn't. Everyone wants to be rich so they can be lazy.
RafftheGreat - funny - the rich people I know are by far the least lazy of anyone. They work and continue to work harder to be rich. Plus, when they aren't working, they play hard. None of them is lazy.
And, just so you know, many women fight illness every day who don't have rich husbands. Yet they work and still do a good job raising their children. Ann Romney never had to do that and doesn't have a clue about real life.
The Mitt Flip. Last week Mitt and Ann Romney were all huffed up about Hilary Rosen's comment that Ann had never worked a day in her life ignoring, of course, the second of the comment: "She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing." Now anyone with semi-functioning brain cells know that most stay-at-home moms work hard to raise their families and those who can and do stay home deserve to be recognized for their efforts. The Romneys both used the first part of the comment to their advantage; they made sure everyone who listened knew that raising 5 sons was no easy task.
The Mitt Flip is that in January, Mitt Romney was out there telling people that women need "the dignity of work", even if their child is less than two years old, women should go outside the home to work for "dignity". In Mitt and Ann's world, the "dignity of work" is only a requirement for those who are not wealthy. Sorry, Mitt and Ann, you cannot have it both ways; you are both as phoney as $3 bills.
Jody, it is disiningenous to leave out the fact that Romney in January was referring to welfare recipients when he was discussing the 'dignity of work'.
Of course, as a Democrat you arent big on the whole self reliance thing; the more permenently on welfare, the more votes for Democrats. Government dependency is what liberals are all about.
Is that why 8 of the top 10 states in welfare spending are Republican?
So what you're saying Bob as Mitt and Ann have said many times, the rich already have dignity, the poor need to get a job to get dignity. It doesn't matter if the poor get a job or not, people like Mitt and Ann will still have no respect for anyone not making over a million dollars. And that includes you Bob, you're just to blind to see it.
So Bob,
by your argument, you're saying that you have to be rich enough to claim motherhood as a job?
that's what i understood Mitt to say, as well.
Bob: do you even hear the hypocrasy in your own argument. Motherhood isn't "work" unless its done by those with big enough bank accounts? Geez and you wonder why your side is going to lose this thing so badly.....
Jody - Great point. I guess Ann, under Mitt's definition of motherhood, has no dignity. I realize, of course, that my comment is grossly sarcastic but what are we to think? Poor people with children have no dignity? I just hope he keeps talking and those liberals that are "stalking" him at parties eavesdropping on what he says just keep doing it. Eavesdropper often hear highly informative things.
they made cuts to day-care,
for famlies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr0rtodPseI
It’s a matter of faith among today’s Conservatives that “no one ever got a job from a poor person.” Chanted like a mantra, it’s not even open to question that all of us owe a tip of the hat and further expensive tax breaks as well as a heaping helping of deregulation to those who “give us” our jobs. No one ever worked for poor people.
Yes, most of us HAVE worked for poor people...they're called "customers". Contrary to Conservative myth rich people don't exist in a vacuum. Without customers the economy screeches to a halt, and stays there.
If you don't think so look at most of the developing countries. They too have "rich people" in every village. They are so rich by comparison to those around them that they live in something a little like a post-WWII ranch house and own a car...an old car.
But they aren't rich by our standards, are they? These people are in fact POOR by our standards. Almost none of them can be rich by our standards because there's no economy to support that level of wealth. There's no one for whom THEY can work, no one with whom to trade.
And that's the biggest failing of today's Libertarian Conservative radicals. They actually believe that man is an island. We aren't. We can only accomplish in relation to the society around us. People with talent, drive, and intelligence will always tend to be more accomplished than those around them. The question is, will they be more accomplished in comparison to a society in which most are economically stable, living a comfortable, middle class life? Or will they be accomplished in comparison to a mass of unwashed poor, people driven to desperation by a relentless Vulture Capitalism?
In that second world there won't be many "rich" by comparison to today. Ultimately by killing the American middle class trickle down economics will kill the golden goose upon whose eggs today's wealthy feast.
Thanks for the socialist class hatred mantra. That is all you libs blather on about these days.
Democrats are now indistinguishable from European socialists.
Which part is "socialist", Bobby, the part where I said the market depends on consumers and those with talent, drive, and intelligence will always tend to be more accomplished than those around them?
You didn't even read what I wrote, did you? If you had you'd at least respond with something that acknowledges the content.
Bob,
You're doing it again, trying to make Virginians look stupid. Not one word of his post contained anything even slightly hateful or socialist. I doubt you even know what socialism is. Thank goodness your type is now the minority in our great commonwealth.
I would once again like to extend my usual invitation for you to come watch election coverage at my house in Charlottesville on November 6th, as I would love to see the look on your face when the networks call Virginia for President Obama for the second time.
good post john b now i have a question. for everyone (especially the reps) if abortion is reversed, wic cut, welfare cut education cut planned parenthood defunded jobs really hard to find what do the people (in mississipi for example) DO to survive? (in miss cutting education wouldnt even be noticed) the kids are already here so you dont have to worry about those nasty old abortions or birth control the govt wont help because its not their job and you know all the good christians will have to take care of themselves WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE TO DO?????????
Good question, sjc12. I'd say you recognize the GOPTP world of FYIGM pretty clearly. Programs that give people a hand up as opposed to a hand out have been very successful...but Conservatives don't see the difference. Programs that let people bridge across those pitfalls that come to most of us during our lives have both stabilized and increased our economic success as a nation...but they offend the Conservative notion of Social Darwinism.
We're a strong nation because we share common purpose and ideals. All of that is under attack by the current, radical brand of Conservatism that currently controls the Republican Party.
boy you liberals sure do hate the word "socialist" I wonder if someone has told "the Cherub" on the other side of the lake that made up stuff is the same as lying.
Are you just babbling, js1, or do you have a point?
The $10 million dollar check to Roves group may have been anonymous - but we can feel pretty certain it wasn't written by Gingrich!
."..which NBC’s Garrett Haake overheard because he was sitting on a seawall outside the home"...
Garret was probably sitting on top of David Axelrod's shoulders... this wasnt a hot mic, this was NBC spying on behalf of their Democratic sponsors...
If this is true..that Mitt Romney actually wants to reform inefficient useless fat Washington bureaucracy...thi is great news!
The US Education Dept doesnt educate anybody.
Look to Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's education reform plans, for exciting effective new ideas...
Look to Democrats, to defend the failed status quo, and ever more federal spending to no end other than fatten their union allies.
"this wasn't a hot mike...NBC spying...on behalf of their democrat sponsors"...
show your proof - or acknowledge what the rest of us already know - you are a liar!
Uh, b dune?
Read the article. That was Bob, repeating what NBc said.
Now, if you think they're lying, I don't blame you for that.
They've proven you cannot believe a single word that comes from this network.
Look to Bob In Virginia to troll for the Republicans. Gov Jindal's education reform. Take money from public education, give it to faith based non-union charter and parochial schools. Thus ensuring the that Louisiana will soar in it's educational rankings. Just like it did in 2009, all the way from 50th to 47th.
Once again the mighty Romney campaign strikes again--you know, that organizational juggernaut that had him speaking in an empty Detroit stadium. This time they allow their candidate to speak outdoors on a mic where anyone can overhear him. And then folks like Bob feign outrage with their candidate's true Etch-a-Sketch personality comes through.
Nice try "no joe" #9.2
Nowhere in the article did it say "this wasn't a hot mic...but NBC spying">>
1. Bob is a liar
2. Your credibility for defending his blatant lie shows yours isn't much better.
Take your own advice "read the article".....
As much as I hate to agree with Bob, b dune, the implication is there, if not the exact words. Haake was sitting on a wall outside the back yard where Romney (probably with the aid of a microphone?) was speaking. Haake overheard the speech (eavesdropped?) and reported what he heard. No, it wasn't a "hot-mic" (like Obama two weeks ago), but a "hot-mic moment. There's a difference, which MSNBC was being a bit sly about.
Republicans on this site aren't impressed with personal integrity or honesty, b dune. They just fabricate whatever lies will make news stories conform to their bleak fantasies. It's a conservative thing...
Romney was speaking outside with amplification---what expectation of privacy did he have? He's had press covering him since the campaign began---did he not know they were outside? Is he that unaware of his surroundings?
Really? Look to the democrats to extend failed status quo? Why, you must be a huge Obamacare fan then. This is the first major piece of legislation that will actually help Americans pay for the increased cost of medical care and the GOP hates it. It certainly is a change from the failed status quo...!
Steeler Fan - He probably isn't aware of his surroundings. He is kind of robotic. I'm a big Steeler Fan, too. I was born in Pittsburgh (Munhall) but live in Florida (crazy land), now.
Who cares how the information got out - it did and if you crazy Republicans don't think we are going to jump all over it, you are really crazy. You would, you have and you will continue. I hope Romney continues to talk at parties and another liberal is "stalking" him.
Your false messiah voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006 and slammed Bush for failure of leadership. One of the few times he didn't vote present. He has provided ample lies, hypocrisy and inaction for a plethora of GOP campaign ads. Let's get it on!
Justified - ok
You can always tell the Conservatives have lost the argument when they have to bring up the "false messiah" dog whistle. Gotta scare those Fundamentalists into voting the way the GOP needs them to, don'cha know?
Nice to know Ann wasn't that insulted by being called a "stay at home mommy"....the best birthday gift?
Seems she shows she can fake feigned outrage as good as her husband!
Sgt. Gary Stein needs to check himself.
...and spare me your "Freedom of Speech" argument. Nobody is threatening Sgt. Stein's Freedom of Speech. It remains in tact. What he does not have (as none of us do) is freedom from the consequences of what he says.
Yeehaw, you go arm chair soldier. Your a bit off topic, but I'll bite anyways.
You no nothing of the freedoms the US military give up to protect yours. As a matter of fact, you can say whatever you want against the president and the military, no matter the rank. Its actually patriotic to question your government.
So, Sgt. Steins "freedom of speech" is not intact. For the Sgts words and threatened actions, he is subject to 3, if not more, articles of the UCMJ. Articles 92 (failure to obey an order or regulation), 94 (mutiny or sedition, which is punishable by death) and 117 (provoking speeches or gestures).
usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/l/blucmj.htm
You, sir, are blowing hot air. Please educate yourself before you spout nonsense. If you had said what he said (as many people not in the military do), nothing would happen to you. He is responsible for his actions and should be punished accordingly.
Kudos to Hillary Rosen for not allowing herself to be caught up in that 'hot mess' passing itself off as MTP
Hilary Rosen not showing for Meet the Press was as much her decision as was Anthony Weiners decision to resign his post.
They were and remain an embarrassment to the party. Off to the Russian front for both. Then after a year it's off to MSNBC.
Which is one could argue is probably worse that the Russian front.
English isn't your strong suit huh.
Romney should release 10 years of his tax returns very soon, like his Father did, other Presidents did, and President Obama did or be disqualified as a presidential candidate.
Would it really matter though?
Mitt's got some big problems. Beyond his "open mic" moment. If he can't even spin his own spin for more than a few days without sticking his foot in his mouth.......Oh wait. He does it every - single - time. He's got some work to do. Wait til he gets all staffed up, and he must defend or walk back whatever his staff puts out. I forsee many more "Etch a Sketch" moments. But Mitt's problem is Mitt. He thinks he can have it both ways.
Rob, good post. And at either MSNBC or the "Russian front", one could cross paths with "Sgt" Schultz, who knows nothing..
Bob, I'm trying to get a clip from special report from friday nite in which Krauthammer had me rolling out of my chair. I don't know if you saw it. He was talking about the Obama administrations warning to North Koreans on the failed missile launch. I had to rewind and watch 6 times it was that funny.
"which NBC’s Garrett Haake overheard because he was sitting on a seawall outside the home"
Which really means, BSNBC's operative for the Obama Administration was posted (with an sound enhancement device) to find anything that could be used for possible political advantage.
dan it doesnt matter HOW IT WAS HEARD!!!!!!!!! IT WAS HEARD!!!! HE SAID IT!!!!! YOU CANT DEFEND IT!!!!!
Ann Romney made such a big deal out of what she now calls a "Gift" makes one wonder if she was bothered at all.
I'm sure Ann Romney doesn't really care about what Ms. Rosen said. Ms. Rosen's comments were uncalled for and Obama himself has said that family should be off limits. The comments here are based on envy. You don't have what they have and want what they have so you just keep saying bad things about them. But, Romney has worked hard to make the money he has. He wasn't given that money. He went to school, earned 2 degrees, and then went to work. Envious remarks have no credibility.
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I agree Ms. Rosen remarks were uncalled for. As far as comments here are based on envy... Where do you get that summation? Romney has worked hard at chasing the almighty dollar, glad he got his. He did get two degrees at Harvard... you know the very school that he snoots that Obama went to.
Nearly 23 million unemployed, 19% under employed, deficit almost $15.7 TRILLION, 1 in six living in poverty (an all time record). "It's the Economy Stupid!" Throw the incompetent out already!
We finally did in 2009, and now have someone working diligently to repair all that damage; AND making great progress in fixing the mess the GOP-TEA put us in between 2001 and 2009.
Thank goodness we got someone reversing the disasters before it was TOO late!
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BINGO!! Give the realist a cigar!
That's right! And turn the economy back over to the GOP, the Greedy Old People in the T-Republican party. They broke it, and know just how to fix it for their rich super-PAC supporters. But not for women, minorities, and the middle and low income people, just their rich families and friends.
This only proves without a doubt that the Republicans HATE the poor and middle class. In the beginning of the next revolution, there will be a 1%.....but in the end there will be none.
The elite hate all...not repub, dem...and in the end the survivors will be the prepared in the rural areas...
Better run, broke, the Glenn Beck radio program is on in 15 minutes.
Oh, and don't forget to send those checks to Goldline and Food Insurance.
You and your kind are too lazy and stupid to ever start a revolution let alone launch a successful one. If you spent 1/10 the time trying to better yourself instead crying like a 5 year old, maybe you would have something for in life. Instead 20 years from now, you'll still be bitter and expecting others to pay your way.
DOH DOH - not sure who you're talking to. Most of us posting on this site work and no one supports us but ourselves. We are working to do better and, with President Obama in charge, are doing better. I'm guessing you're talking about the far right but, they won't understand so you're just talking for no reason.
Everything the 1% posesses will be taken away just like they have taken everything away from the 99%.
Well Freedom4All... that's actually quite refreshing... an Obama Marxist dropping all pretense of "fairness" and professing your true objective... eliminating all property rights and stealing what you want.... the only snags in your plan are that you class envyists only comprise about 40% of the population (oddly, right about the number of people on the gov't dole that don't pay any taxes)... and, of course, the 59% of hard-working middle class people who own guns. You think you and your union thugs and Black Panther scum can come take what you want... give it your best shot.... to put it in terms you can understand... I'll pop a cap in yo a$$
Fed Up-stop making up fake stats-as a gun owning hard working upper middle class Democrat I think you had better upgrade from your cap pistol. We are not impressed by your stupidity or threats. I hit what I shoot at-started hunting at 10. Go away and dream of your bad self popping caps at imaginary enemies about to take your Property (mobile home?) away.
Envy has turned you into a douche. I'll always do everything I can to make sure that people like you can't steal from others in our society that work harder and smarter than you. No one has taken anything from you except yourself.
Does that mean this idiot is going to get rid of his job once he gets into the white house? He is crazy if he thinks American's are going to vote for him with everything he is talking about cutting. Good luck with that Romi.
Ann Romney said that her's was a concious "CHOICE" to stay at home and raise her family and that women's "CHOICES" should be respected.
I wonder if the extends to "ALL WOMEN"S CHOICES"? Or, just those that certain groups feel women are capable of making for themselves? I'm just curious...
You so miss the idea of choice. Ann had Mitts permission to make her choices.
Wow, he heard all of that just sitting outside the house. I don't believe that for one moment. I think there should be another BSNBC investigation to see if a journalist/network is actually spying on behalf of a political party or president.
I'm sure if Mitt was talking to a decent size crowd, he was using a P.A. system of some sort. And he was in the back yard. You could hear it on a seawall outside of the property. If he or Ann didn't say those things, they'd have already said they didn't.
the quote of candidate Obama saying fearful conservatives cling to their guns and religion was captured by a cell phone by a participant at a fundraiser. Republicans used that quote to great advantage throughout their campaign against Obama.
Nothing candidates say is "off the record" in this digital age.
You mean like the Faux News Balanced coverage of the O-something something kid who posed as a pimp. There was also the swift boater scam.
record poverty, record debt, record food prices, record unemployment, record gas prices...obozo for the prople!!!...obozo for the poor!!!! obozo 2012!!!!
Who is "Obozo"?
The President's evil twin!!
Who is this "obozo" you speak of? He sounds like he'd make a decent president. Perhaps we could hand him a sh!t economy that was already collapsing around him and then blame him for the whole thing (as if he'd created it) a few years later...
a clown
Da Noid - Obozo is truebro's nickname for Mitt - clearly!
the hispanics will probably flock to Romney,after all he and his filthy rich wife both of whom have never worked a day in their lives have so much in common with them.you figure the rest out.
I think you have your racial stereotypes mixed up.
Hispanics are the hard working ones. See roofers, landscapers, farmhands, and all the jobs no 'real' American wants to do.
No...the Hispanics will flock to Obozo., Especially the illegals that the Dims will round up, ply with promises of Green Cards and Citizenship, transport to the polls where they will NOT have to produce any form of ID to vote, and then return them to the streets , where they can continue their plundering of taxpayer provided resources. Ever wondered wht the Democraps are so ANTI-Voter ID??? Take a look at their constituents...BTW the white ones are the idiotic Libs who think Socialism is "cool", and that we should just all be wealthy and have College degrees.
Oh brother. *facepalm*
Joe I GURANTEE the Romney's have worked more than you ever have. If you claim a 70-80 hour work week perhaps you should get educated so you don't have to.
BK-3328579 - you do realize that more Democrats have their college degrees, right? And, more Democrats are in the 1%. No one I know is rooting for 'socialism" yet you GOPers seem to say it a lot. Maybe you are the socialists???? Please you are so transparent it is pathetic. You don't know much so you try to put those who do down.
Keep on lying.
Tracy, tell me what Im doing wrong. I sometimes work more than 90 hours a week, I earn 7 figures. Do I need more education?
7 figures eh? So you are a millionaire?
"Do I need more education?"
Doesn't look like it, but you may want to cut back on your hours.....unless you have nothing better to do than work.
So it was an early birthday gift for dear Annie when Rosen said she's never worked a day in her life, got news for you Ann she was right. You had a choice, most women don't you came from wealth and married wealth, 90% of the women in the workforce don't have the luxery of saying gee shall I stay home and be a full time Mom or go to work?? They also don't have gardners, housekeepers and nannies at their disposal at each of the homes they have. So basically Annie you are a shrew. As far as your husband saying "Oh I'll eliminate this and that" never giving thought to how many people will be out of work and lives destroyed. Basically he's just doing what he does best, talking about eliminating the lively hood of many, that's how he rolls.
Bitter?
DOH DOH - I don't think anyone posting here is bitter - just truthful.
I have just two words for you sfilutze - Jackie Kennedy. Why is it all of a sudden something horrible to be a wealthy mother? Why does it even matter about Ann Romney? I have something to say to you. If no one cares whether or not a Democrat's wife is wealthy or comes from wealth, then you need to get over Ann Romney. And if you don't suffer from MS or have battled breast cancer, I suggest you go to your room.
ruken-look up sarcasim.Tracey1973, Ive worked more in my first 20 years than they ever will, and I guarantee you, you cannot spell.And your telling me to get educated? Funny.
Whoa.....the Dems are always claiming that GOPers are judgemental.....When posters say they don't have a choice, there are always choices. If you don't work and stay at home, you don't have as big of a house, you don't have 2-3 cars, you don't take $4000 vacations to the Carribean or Hilton Head...that's the choice. the main reason for moms working for financial reasons is that the government now takes 30% of income at the Federal, state, and local levels, and people's desires to buy bigger homes, more cars, the latest electronic gadgets, impress their friends and neighbors......as a group, this generation has done the worst job in raising their children than in any generation preceeding it. These kids don't know about the history of their country, what it is to be an American, how to behave in public (spoiled brats), what it will take to be successful in life....you can't even find a neighborhood kid to cut your grass for money anymore. We've gotten away from the basic fundamentals that generate a hard working, moral society; on the TV nowadays, flipping channels brings you shows from prison, drug dealers, self centered moms, people behaving badly, MTV videos, Bill Maher , the sewer pipe continues to flow, yet many parents outsource their responsibilities to bring in that extra income and complain they don't have a choice, when they do. It's just a tougher choice to make.
David Schwarz - too bad you left off Glenn Beck, etc. Couldn't agree with you more about most reality shows i.e. self centered housewives. But I definitely put Glenn Beck in the sewer pipe!
a) Jackie Kennedy actually did have a career; b) Jackie Kennedy had some insight into the fact that she was very financially fortunate; and, while she was outspoken about issues about which she was passionate, she did not pretend to speak for all women with her comments. To paraphrase: Ann Romney is no Jackie Kennedy.