John, I agree about this board. Most visible posts contain vulgar or profane ad hominem attacks, rather than contributing anything to the debate. You have to open collapsed posts to read anything of substance.

And we need to stop playing into their hands by fighting each other and work to tke our country back!

Amen, both parties are lost. Repubs are asleep at the wheel a Dems are high-strung hate mongers that attack attack attack and then if you fight back in anyway they just attack harder. Like school yard children. SOOOOOO SICK OF IT !!!

I believe he's right about that. I've been part of the interview process for a few of my friends prior to getting their security clearance. I don't see how Obama would have been cleared for one if he tried to join the military.....history of cocaine use and his affiliation with domestic terrorists such as Ayers.

He actually was, you are correct. He would hold up pieces of paper in Congress saying they were names of Communists, and would later reveal to friends that it was his grocery list. The guy could have cared less about Communists, he used it as method to glorify himself. And in paraller, there were lots of communists and even more today ! Now many Democrats call themselves Socialist democrats and no one blinks, but I know what that means. And again the communist party has released a list of congressional members that are current communists. The people on that list have never denied it. Apparently you people on this board have never heard this info but do some basic research and you will see for yourself.

There's something to be said for a man who honorably served this country and went to battle. I wish we had more just like him.

He did not honorably serve his country. He abused prisoners and was given the opportunity to resign his commission in lieu of a court-martial.

He protected his men. Who wouldn't resign with full benefits rather than go through a court martial with an unknown outcome?

Ranmarie -- Here here !!! We voted in all those Republicans to change things and then they went up there and went to sleep ! Both parties are lost ! God help us.

"There's something to be said for a man who honorably served this country and went to battle. I wish we had more just like him."

Tim McVeigh honorably served this country and went to battle. Do you want more of him???

I should ask -- do you even know who Tim McVeigh was??

Careful, there are laws against slander if not complete stupidity.

Perhaps you are unaware of the legal definition of slander love. And as far as stupid, I am stupid because I re-posted a list that the america communist party touted with honor ? Gotta love people like my friend Jon-13blah blah blah. Without the most basic research into my facts you already try to demean me. Great to see Dunning-Kruger at work. Oh and if you dont know what the Dunning-Kruger effect is you never will since you dont know how to look things up. :-) :-) :-)

John;

People who call dozens of honorable people something they aren't has got some serious mental problems. I suggest you get some professional help ASAP.

Performing a mass deception is one foolish idea!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

1Foolish...LOL pot meet kettle.

So you are finally admitting the derogatory remarks made against TEA Party members (THOUSANDS of us) mean the very people that made those remarks need "professional help ASAP'? LOL Thank you.

Are you serious ? The COMMUNIST PARTY is the one that has posted the names of their members. You guys completely have the wool pulled over your eyes. Anything the Republicans say you attack without the most simple research on your own part.

Classic mob behavior. Allen West is a hero.

Dont even bother. Doesnt matter what you say. Any woman or black guy that comes along these guys attack with a vengence. The reason is based on Alinsky tactics. First you define a target, then you freeze a target. They try to freeze Republicans as evil rich religous white guys. Anyone that comes out the defies that frozen target drives them nuts and brings out their worst. Let them run their mouths.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it will soon be the "blues" against the "reds" again, and believe it or not the "reds" are (yup, you guessed it!) actually the Republicans (go figure!).

Hey Rick, is that the ending you want?

(Confusion to the enemy? Gee, that must be US! (ya think?)) - RC

I would call Repubs facist if they deserved it. Facists are tough and aggressive. Current Repubs are weak, scared, and silent in most cases.

I don't see problem solving as something Mr. West cares to help this country with. So if he thinks his rhetoric is moving this country forward he is mistaken.

Dude are you serious ? The COMMUNIST PARTY has posted these guys names ! Just do the most basic research, they ARE communists and they are proud of it. Every single person on this board that has scoffed at the idea that the Dem party is full of communists has not done even the most basic research ! They are not even hiding it anymore. I will entertain your doubts.. just do some basic research. You guys just attack Repubs knee jerk style without even looking for yourself !

John, will you just shut up? You're showing your ig and I'd rather not look.

Typical dem. If you dont like what I say you try to stifle my free speech. Let me roll the way you guys roll.... LOOK LOOK Dems have a war on Free Speech !! War on Free Speech !!! Too bad. You can not stifle my ability to express myself and reasonable people can disagree. Glad to know Im gettin under your skin tho... Ill will sleep well and comfy tonight knowing that. Kisses !! :-*

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.... ya they were kittens. Yup Marxists are just dandy. This comment board is AWESOME ! I had no idea how bad the left was until I got here tonight. The Republicans could invent a cure for cancer and you guys would find evil in it. Hilarious to watch.

Cool man, the only monkey wrench in your though process is the fact that the communist party has produced a list of congressional members which belong to the communist party. They state it with a badge of honor. So turn your narrow minded hatred OFF OF Allent west you racist and turn it on to the communist party who continues to claim that there are 80+ members of congress that are communist... and even give a list to boot !!!

Co-Chairs
Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs
Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

Senate Members
Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

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Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
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Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
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Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
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Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
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Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
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My point is... Allen West simply reiterated what the COMMUNIST PARTY THEMSELVES HAVE STATED AND DOCUMENTED WITH A LIST TO BOOT. I have no love for the Repubs... or the Dems. They are both off the deep end... but dont single out Repubs as if Dems are any better. They are both FUBAR ! And yes they do share common beliefs with about half of America, the Dems the other. Stop ragging on Republicans... it is BOTH parties that are washed up. I dont want the Repubs OR the Dems to have super majorities... the best we can hope for is a 50-50 split so at least they offset each other.

Communist citizens are regular people and I am sure your wife is a great person. But communist leaders are atrocious. Again, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.... absolute pychopaths and monstrous murderers on a massive scale. And dude do some basic research... there are many communists in the Dem party and they dont even deny it !

Wednesday Libero Della Piana vice chairman of the Communist Party USA,

said there are no members of Congress who are members of the Communist Party.

He ripped Rep. Allen's "sad ploy."

The DSA is the one that publishes the list. Look it up.

Yeah, Sandy, I don't believe that they're are any Communist in the Congress. Why would someone from theyre district vote for them if they were Communist??

I was amazed at how quickly they dismissed what West said... West was actually quoting the communist party who LISTS the members with a badge of honor. The brag about having 80 plus congressional members. So all West did was reiterate that and instead of demonizing the america communist party they demonize West. Just a taste of more to come. The Dems success is staked on painting Republicans as rich white religious males. So if anyone comes along that defies that defintions they freak and and are coming out of their skin. I have news for you... they are just as many evil rich white democrats as republican... but they sure have you guys dialed in and goose stepping to their tune. This is actually alot of fun. So few comment boards left that lean so far blue and I hadnt had a chance to tussle like this in a while. Even many democrats are now sick of Obama and the extreme left... but again this is NBC the home of the worst race baiters and truth stompers around.

What evidence, exactly? A list of the members of the Progressive Caucus is only a list of members that think exactly like our founding father's thought, them being the progressives of their time. So what is this evidence you speak of? And evidence of what, other than your own lack of knowledge and ability to reason, which, if you truly knew what our founders valued, you would realize they considered the most important ability of all.

Dude you think you are going to school me on the founding fathers ? Good luck ! They would be sick with BOTH parties right now. And the CPC synonmous with communism... no I did not say that. The DSA is the one that posted the list of communists (socialists but sorry same thing) and #3 mantra of the DSA... Redistribution of wealth. Progressives helped end segregation, I have no problem with Progessives (taken in moderation of course). Communists are a whole different breed and no where in the world has the Communist experiment worked ! Everywhere it leads to at best economic depression, at worst near genocide. Dont attack my ability to reason as it only stifles your own. I can reason fine just like you and if we end up at different view points it does not reflect badly on EITHER of us. Reasonable people can disagree !

Dude, with any due respect, socialism and communism are not the same thing. Socialism is a thing like that which we have in the system we call Social Security. Also Medicaire. All developed nations have socialism to a greater or lesser extent, but none are completely without it. If you want to find a country with no socialism, I suggest you look into Somalia, which is run by purely Ayn Rand style libertarian principles.

In the US we have as socialist, (and this is an incomplete list) Social Security, Medicaire, Police, Fire Department (included in advanced cities, ambulance service), National Parks and Monuments, highways, etc. And the big one, military.

Damn, wherever would we be without socialists?

Jon, evidently you've never read Marx's Critique of the Gotha Programme or Engels 1847 letter on the transition from capitalism to communism through socialism

“In Marxist terms, socialism is generally regarded as the period of transition between capitalism and communism - the transition to a system in which we can truly have "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". So genuine Marxists can be interchangeably called socialists so long as they have as their goal the abolishment of capitalism and the establishment of genuine worker controlled, democratic socialism.”

Between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat.

Marx, Critique of the Gotha Program (1875)

Jon, if you think our founding fathers were the "progressives" of their time then you need to go back to school my friend.

Very simply put they wrote the Constituton of the United States which CLEARLY states a limited government. How crazy you must be to believe the crap you just wrote.

So you're saying the founding fathers were conservatives? Really, a bunch of people who felt so strongly about trying a totally new system of government that they were willing to violently revolt against the established royalist, conservative status quo. They were the very definition of progressive and liberal. In the eighteenth century, the Age of Reason, what they stood for was defined as the liberal point of view.

And exactly where in the Constitution does it say the federal government is limited? I assume that you mean as opposed to States Rights, but you confuse the Constitution with the first document that formed the federal government, the Articles of Confederation. That early document is what limited the federal government, but the Constitutional Convention was convened to replace that document when it was found that it simply didn't work, and would lead to a weak union that could easily be subverted by European interest. The Constitution, on the other hand, is written in a way to make sure that the federal government and the union is the strongest power in the nation. It created a nation instead of a loose confederation of states.

All of this is common knowledge to historians, even though it doesn't fit with the Tea Party rewrite. The Tea Party is bogus even from their very name. The motto of the original Boston Tea Party was not "No taxation." It was "No taxation without representation." What they wanted was representation in the House of Commons for the colonies, not a reduction in taxes. The Tea Party today does have the same representation as all of us and we do have representation, so their cries are hollow.

Larry, you logic is flawed. If you insist that Socialism and Communism are the same thing, you need to provide evidence of Socialists saying that, not a Communist trying to subvert the Socialist movement.

Traditional Socialism advocates for government controlling some things economical, or in terms of production, to gain the greatest efficiency and continuity.

Today's Socialists are moving away from the government control, probably because in democracies too many views combine and shift and have power for short periods of time to provide continuity. The goal of Socialism is to make sure that the proceeds of an enterprise are spread equally, including the workers who are most responsible for creating the products. In line with that, today's Socialists are advocating more for worker owned cooperatives than government entities.

Cooperatives and Socialism in the history of this country have long been entwined. An example is the farmer owned coop graineries created in the first half of the twentieth century that broke the trust between the railroads and mills that kept the price of newly harvested grain low, hurting the producer farmer, and the cost of bread high, hurting the consumer.

Really, no ability to reason ? In a battle of wits, you come unarmed my friend. The DSA in fact has posted lists of communist congressional members. West just reiterated. The truth is you guys have gone off the deep end and have tried to stifle free speech everywhere it does nto agree with your agenda. How about your ridiculous claims like Repubs have a war on women, or want to take black back to the days of Jim Crow. Ya that is solid reasoning. It is OBVIOUS you are a racist since you dont like what West said (how do you like it). BOTH Repubs and Dems are off the reservation, completely gone. Sitting here watching all of you... I either want to laugh or break down crying I dont know which. And dont get too worked up over me Blue Brothers... on Red leaning comment boards I attack them as well. The BEST we can hope for is a 50-50 split so you two counter balance each other. If one of you gains power over the other we are lost.

Does this DSA ever say once "communist", which is what Mr. West said?

Do you comprehend the difference between a communist and a socialist? Do you know what the current position is of the world's socialists?

Mr Freiheit, your rant already proves your inability to reason, I need say no more. And I don't worry about the likes of you very much. I'm sure that you don't live in my neighborhood, and I sincerely doubt that your mental faculties will be functional enough to guide you to a polling booth come November.

The left is great at fear mongering by exaggerating everything. The healthcare debate is one prime example. Democrats say that if the Supreme Court strikes down the bill, millions of people will die. Considering that those same millions did not die before the signing of the bill, why would they all of a sudden die if the bill is struck down?

Jon-1321288 - Yup because I disagree with you I dont have the ability to reason.... its an oxy moron bro because that itself is not reasoning. No worries. Reasonable people can disagree and I will be at the polling booths just like you. Everyime you stifle others or write them off you only weaken yourself and right now you look very very weak. :-) Kisses ! :-*

Sleep well, buddy, I hope the hangover doesn't bite you too hard.

There you go with that broken reasoning again. I dont drink, I am a well respected IT consultant trusted by Fortune 500 and 1000 companies across the world. I am a single father of two beautiful children and well respected member of my community. But Ive schooled you all night in front of all these people so I guess you had to resort to unfounded slander. Hows that working for you !!! :-) Kisses :-*

Oh and before you respond with another half-baked comment I will just do it for you...

Jon-1321288 - John Freiheit is stupid. Blah Blah Blah. He doesnt agree with me so he is dumb. Blah Blah Blah. That about right ?? :-) :-) Night night Jon

Again, with any due respect, I apologize for confusing your lack of punctuation and conherence with drunkeness. That was a gross overreach on my part for which I am sorry.

But, really, you have not "schooled me" in anything. Perhaps you could make amends by advising me of those companies that invest so much trust in you, so I can quickly divest them.

50-50 is the ONLY answer. In Bush days the Reds have the majority and country goes to crap because they end up supporting their financial masters. So the pendulum swings all the other way.. and now a Blue majority and the country goes further in the crapper for the exact same reason. Anyone see the common parallel ? If we have a two party system (which we do) then the best scenario is for them to counter balance each other. Second one or the other gains too much power we nose dive. Both Bush jr and Obama reflect this. Altough I probably sound anti-Dem I am in fact not and I am standing my ground due to the overhwleming Blue majority here. I do the same to the Reds on their comment boards. You HAVE to be able to accept the fact that people have different views from you and it does not make them stupid. Reasonable people can disagree.

A 50-50 split in Congress works if they work together instead of just against each other.

mhrjhn, with a 50-50 they have to work together. They cant just step over the other and push their agenda. It takes longer to get things through but that is ok, laws shoud not be rushed anyway. 50-50 or we take a nose dive as a country.

I'm not sure I'd push that "fighting man" argument too far. This man retired from the military rather than face what would have been severe punishment for what he did, in all likelihood. I doubt that he was ever at the edge of the battle area, and his level of intelligence has legitamately been questionaed on multiple fronts.

Allen West is most basically, a completely ignorant blowhard, and with this most recent statement, a traitor as well. He has falsely accused members of Congress of being members of the Communist Party, which, while that is not a crime, is certainly pejorative, and thus renders Mr. Allen's statements as slander, since they are demonstrably false.

And, a secret, maybe the news hasn't reached Alaska yet, but the precious saint Ronnie completely defeated communism and there are none left.

And after 20 years of service in the Army today, reaching Lt. Colonel is the equivalent of being a low to mid level corporate manager. If he was successful, he would have been a general or at least a full colonel.

You know NOTHING about the millitary. It is NOTHING like the corporate world. Men can serve for 25 years with flawless service and still have an E rating, while a college kid can come in and instantly have an O rating. (Look them up) So that statement is completely false and ignorant. Nice try though. NEXT !! :-)

John, are you the Freiheit that used to post on the Nation blogs? If so, I'm the lvliberty that posted for years there.

Stupid comments from "libs"? really? I think you don't know what stupid is.

Sure he does... its you !!! lol. Actually Im joking. Even though you think everyone who disagrees with you is stupid, I dont. I dont think you are stupid. And before I go to bed I will say this..... Although Jon I dont agree with your opinions... I will defend to the death your right to express them.

And my comment only criticized someone for saying that everyone who disagreed with him as posting stupid "lib" comments.

I don't think eveyone who disagrees with me is stupid, and I have never posted anything that would lead an intelligent person to believe that. I only think that one's who cannot reason are.

I admit that I sometimes post comments meant to confuse those who live whithout reason, and sometimes they take the bait. But I'm a "catch and release" sort of fisherman.

Politicians are like diapers. You have to change them often becaused they get soiled quickly. :-)

John

Your DSA list is false.

Abercrombie and Grayson are no longer in Congress.

Not false, OLD. 2 years old. They havent published a new one. SORRY nice try... NEXT !!!

You claimed the list from DSA was for members serving in congress.

They have not published a new one. Nice try.

False. West made a bad comment. Then called the reporter "stupid."

Larry your link is from April 2011.

No Larry !! You are a hate monger because you suggested that some politicians might be communist !!! OMG OMG You are evil !! J/K. Its lost on most of the posters here. But just remember they will attack almost anything you say... so that should never be a measure of validity. In fact I have found the more they squawk about something the more relevant it really is. An old saying from WWII goes... if you arent receiving flack.. you are not over the target !! :-)

Larry your link is from May 2010.

Sandy, do you have a point or are you just idiotically posting the date? Fact of the matter is Alan West was and is correct when he says we have communists serving in our government... People who BTW don't believe in the Constitution my dear.

So sick of people who really don't get it.