Only 80 members of congress? Try 193 in the house and 53 in the senate. The democratic party is a bunch of communists.

And a bunch of liars, too. Alan said, "someone that really does represent the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established" because he is a practicing Muslim. (NOTE THE END OF HIS QUOTE AND THE FOLLOWING INTERPRETATION is an outright LIE!!!) Rep Keith Ellison represents the "antithesis of the [founding] principles" because he's a progressive, not because he's a Muslim.

Do you know who Joe McCarthy was in the 50's, you must be related to him, too bad.

Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E6J6z7g5Ojg

I was told when I was a boy that the Congress was a body of wise men and women who were well educated and did what was best for the country. This know nothing, freshman congressman proved that wrong all by himself, and the rest of his tea party friends are all in the same boat. In the 21st century, surely no teacher tries to put that image into their student's heads. I am a Formerly republican Democrat. As long as GOP losers like this infest Congress, I will not vote for any member of their party. What has happened to the GOP?

Anyone reading this article should see the clear message that it is impossible to reason with people from the Tea Party/GOP. These people are completely crazy. Feisty said it better, but crazy will suffice here.

Any wonder that the Tea Party/GOP has not been able to accomplish anything since 2010? I wouldn't want my name on any bill presented by one of those losers. And it is clear that in their warped minds that this guy would make a great running mate for Romney? PLEASE LET HIM. BY ALL MEANS. That would be the final nail in their coffin.

The far right gets crazier by the day. Maybe Allen West should check his own TP conservative party for card-carrying members of the neo-Nazis--that makes about as much sense as his own idiotic comments. Typical GOPer fear mongering; in the words of Michael Douglas's fictional American President, they are good at "making you afraid of it and telling you who is to blame for it".

Oh, Rational One, you just reminded us that if it weren't for "progressives", we'd still be flying the British flag because "conservatives" supported the redcoats, prefering baby steps to rocking the boat.

MRWiszer, 91%, seriously, 91%? Those evil democrats are talking about raising it to 39.6%. Eisenhower had a 90% tax rate but that's right, republicans called him a "communist", "socialist", too! BTW, you deserve Allen West and you can have him; it makes this democrat happy that West is a GOPTPer!

MRSWR, it's the complicity of the majority that allows those holding the majority of the wealth to continue to do so, not any natural right. Nature allots each creature a share of resources proportional to what it can gather and utilize. At its root, it's unnatural for any creature to accrue disproportionate wealth. The wealthy are monstrosities created by a disfunctional society and sustained by a pervasive system of indoctrination and coercion. Like any abomination of nature, the super-wealthy are destructive of the very system that sustains them. Like any monstrosity of nature, they should be destroyed.

Okay, tell the truth, West is actually related to Christine O'Donnell isn't he? Where do the Republicans come up with these clowns???????

Proof that even politicians these days don't even know the definition of 'communism'.

SeekingSanity, judging from some of the comments posted here, unfortunately it seems there's a size-able of folks holding views fueled by anger and ignorance from which the Republicans can tap such clowns.

I have to wonder just how this guy West got elected to anything. I sure hope those that votred for this guy..realize what kind of a republican they have elected.

Members of Congress are supposed to be "Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen"; the only thing that West has distinguished himself as is a religious and economic bigot. By his standard of conduct, then, it should be okay to say that members of the Tea Party Caucus are really members of the Nazi Party, isn't it? Well, I don't share West's lack of respect and self-discipline, so suffice it to say that members of the Tea Party who support West are equally bigoted individuals, deserving of no more protection of freedoms than they offer to others.

How any voter could vote for this evil crazy man is beyond me. His mental state should be evaluated before the congressional primary in August. His outbursts of irrational statements, should make him a candidate for anger management therapy. He contributes nothing to the conversation much less to the business of the people.

He ran from his old district as he knew he wouldn't win, now he is becoming a scourge to an area north of his old area and continues his bomb throwing. The Republican party in Fl should be ashamed to support this hate filled individual, who for all his ranting about government being too big and cut this and that, he has for most of his adult life, been paid by the taxpayers.

First in the Army, who eventually dismissed him for bad behavior for which he should have been court martialed in Iraq, now serving in the House further showing us, how stupid voters are to send someone like this to represent them...all on our dime. Tea Party Republicans really are themselves, hate filled and ignorant so I guess they have a 'good' representative.

They all support a tax rate of the wealthy up to 91%.

As did Dwight D. Eisenhower, a Republican president. Are you telling me that President Eisenhower was a Communist? I believe you have just qualified for the Joseph McCarthy Award.

"When they show you who they are...believe them!"

Allen West has long been know as a peculiar bloom of odious smell, uncombed personage, queer mental imaginings, and the mentality of an unemptied chamber pot. Many of Florida's right wingers agree, and call him one of their own.

We are all victims of a "Twilight Zone" time warp". There is no other explanation for it. Pretty soon, we will see each other in black and white instead of color.

Has to be that, because in 2012, we would not be discussing such things as trying to outlaw contraceptives, abortion, and that someone is a card carrying communist.

Now, the question is, how do we leap back to the current century?

Ivan...

Forget about Congressman West for a moment...can you tell me how on God's Green Earth the people of Florida elected Ms. Frederica Wilson to any office at all besides Queen of the Plastic Cowboy Hat Society ???

Holy Moses !!! What is in the water down there...even at something as serious as the press conference to discuss the Trayvon Martin shooting, this lady shows up in a gaudy pink cowboy hat with a gigantic pink bow on her lapel. I was surprised she didn't have a pink plastic capgun in a pink plastic holster strapped to her hip.

If nobody is supposed to take Congressman West seriously, does that mean they must take this Annie Oakley-Tinkerbell wannabe seriously ???

Doc,

Different times. Plus the polices then were very liberal, not repulbican by todays standards.

Progressive caucus, when added up will get to 91%, using post world war II a means that we have done it before. It has nothing to do with McCarthy or the madness of the time. You wish it were that simple. When they push for the same things the communist party of america does, it is not a hard line to follow.

Mac...

Which voters in Florida truly call Congresswoman Frederica Wilson "one of their own" besides Goofy, Pluto, Minnie, and the rest of the Disney characters in Orlando ???

ldo - So, you're still fighting the "red peril"? As a card carrying Democrat I resent the implications that we are aligned with the Communist Party. I spent about 20 years learning and teaching others how to kill communists. Unless you've done the same you're nothing more than an ignorant FOX chicken hawk.

Someone needs to seriously ask him if he knows what year this is.

The GOP seems to be tripping all over themselves to outdo each other on who is the most stupid to appeal to their base.

Say the pot as we feed our manufacturing jobs to Red China.

We need to kick out the stupid lefties and righties and get some moderates back in charge of our government.

Rove & Mcconnel called for maximum chaos when BHO took office, that is the Conservative idea of Patriotism & they have certainly created enough for 100 years.

By revisiting ALL of the idiotic "hot Button" issues of their fathers, the GOP has set the Crap Ball rolling again .

We've seen EVERY issue from the 1956 & 60 elections run up the fearpole once again and all for LACK OF BETTER or NEWER IDEAS ! It's the same old Boogey Men again....

There is not ONE "Communist" county on Earth, socialist yes but "Communisum FELL under Reagan, or so the GOP claims BUT WAIT, now they want us to believe reagan killed Communism everywhere BUT America ?

There is NO AMERICAN in their sane mind who promotes or believes Communism works, is viable or desirable the ONLY PEOPLE IN AMERICA who promote it is the CONSERVATIVE RIGHT,.

COMMUNISM IS A TOOL OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY...because THAT is the ONLY place it exists anymore !!

Communism, my aching azz....

MRWSR. - That's BS and you know it. I suspect the Communist Party support law enforcement. Because you support law enforcement does that make you a Communist? George Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush advocated the overthrow the US Government during WWII, did that make GW a Nazi sympathizer? Have you considered that guilt by association or agreement on a given issue might be a stretch?

As to your comment regarding the political climate being more liberal than now in the late 40s early 50s, is that something you read? I grew up in the 50s and if there's one thing it wasn't ... it's liberal.

"In January of last year, West criticized Progressive Caucus Co-Chair Rep Keith Ellison (D-MN) as "someone that really does represent the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established" because he is a practicing Muslim."

Holy freakin' cow. And THIS guy thinks he knows what America is all about?????

spider - hasn't anyone stepped on your yet? Your posts get more moronic every day! But, I'm never surprised. Since the GOP has NOTHING to offer your only choice is to target our good President. How pathetic you seem!

How much more proof is needed that these GOPers are crazy? I don't need anymore and thankfully, we have social network sites where they can lose their cool and dig their own graves. So tired of the crazy congress and I don't understand who these people are that vote them into office. God's people I guess...but the God I believe in is sick of the non compassionate people on this planet. It will come back to bite them.

spider-737231

I just want to point out that there is another communist occupying the White House, before I jump in my foxhole to avoid all of the mean s**t the libs are about to lob at me.

Ah spider, we're not going to lob mean s**t at you. We all know you're bat s**t crazy and your post are nonsensical. Why would we pick on you?

If all democrats are communists, then all republicans are fascists.

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When is Alan Grayson coming back? He'll keep it real.

And to the fawning right wing sycophants out there, look up a little thing called "the Enlightenment". It influenced some crazy progressive thinkers like, T. Jefferson, B. Franklin, J. Adams, J. Madison, A. Hamilton. Those guys were crazy enough to think you could throw off the yoke of monarchy (and monarchical business monopolies) and have a society based on educated people engaged in plural democracy (for the most part, sorry, women and slaves).

But, the tightness of their tri-cornered hats probably made them crazed commie, redistributing socialist communists. Am I right, or am I right? /sarc/

Even the countries who made up the real Communists aren't really Communists any more.

It's the GOP who keeps Communism and other quaint terms alive and redefines them every couple of years to make them fit anyone who isn't a supporter of the GOP, so you're either a conservative or you're "one of them".

Ol Doc, I believe you have violated the HONOR CODE and yet you haven't been banished, why is that Sally or my old friend Tyler? Seeking Sanity I believe you have violated the HONOR CODE still waiting Tyler

Ah, yes... a single payer health care system is def. communist! I'm sure that EVERY other industrialized nation in the world is secretly a communist nation. What a MORON!!! The GOP is proving that they're crazy. I suppose he thinks Romney also goes against the religious "values" of this country since he wears magic underwear! IMO, Christians, Muslims, Mormons, etc. are all nuts for their beliefs...but whatever gets you through the night. Saying that you don't serve this country well when you aren't pushing your religious beliefs into law is wrong. What I find most shocking is a black republican. I can't wrap my head around that at all.

wlee - I suspect most understand that my post was in good humor...however, if you are still "deeply offended" you can probably post a complaint. That is your right.

The sad thing is that, 60 years later, there are still Americans dumb enough to buy into this "Red Scare" nonsense. OH NOES TEH COMMIEZ.

Ol Doc, actually I'm not offended at all it's a point I'm making to Tyler for times I've been suspended such as telling someone I was surprised to see one of the three stooges still alive, so sorry if it seemed I was attacking you.

Somebody asked the guy a really stupid question. His big mistake was an equally stupid answer!

The man gets dumber every time he opens his mouth, yet he insists on doing it again and again.

West is a criminal and a disgrace to the uniform and United States, and everything the man says needs to be taken with that in mind.

Who cares if they are communist? I thought we got PAST Macarthyism and witch hunts. I thought we got to the point where your opinions and beliefs were NOT the business of the government. If you are a communist and can get eleceted in your district, too dang bad for Mr. West and his ilk. Hey Congressman!, welcome to America - Love it or Leave it!

Toasty - yet he continues to do it. Who elected this idiot?

Angry teabaggers (AKA old people) in an extremely low-turnout election.

What is this, 1950?

I thought McCarthy was dead (but obviously McCarthyism isn't).

Every time you think one of these teatards has reached the height of stupidity, they surprise you and elevate to even higher levels. What's this ass-clown going to say next -- In my hand I have a list???

This is GREAT STUFF!

It shows not only clear thinking Americans but THE ENTIRE WORLD! How CRAZY the GOP really is!

Communists, Socialists Obama is a space alien It is quite obvious that their is something seriously wrong with these people!

The right wing lunatic fringe sticks its foot in its mouth yet again! Doesn't it get bored with that?

Scratch another name off the possible Vice President candidate list!

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/apr/11/allen-west/allen-west-says-about-80-house-democrats-are-membe/

Politifact was quick this time. Pants on Fire.

Nice catch, Archmagi!

Alas, maybe Mitt's found his running mate.

I guess we should avoid informing Mr. West that there are witches in Salem...

Who is crazier? Mr West? The fools that voted for him? The people who post there defense of him here? The entire GOP for not condemning rhetoric that is unseemly of a sitting congressman?

PRAISE ALLAH!. It takes a faithful orthodox Muslim to recognize a Communist, and West is my new favorite REPUBLICAN MUSLIM!

Chinese Communists Democrats or Jihadist Muslim Republicans in November, YOU CHOOSE!

[I just want to point out that there is another communist occupying the White House, before I jump in my foxhole to avoid all of the mean s**t the libs are about to lob at me.]

Well golly gee spider, if you wouldn't say stupid s**t in the first place...

Gwaddamn! I just can't get over "newday DAWNING...RETURNED" #1.30 post above. Made me laugh so hard it hurt. Have to agree with you my Friend. Serling either lied about dying or He left someone well versed in his mischief. We are all in that zone surrounded by many who believe it's just the new normal. Best regards

What the @!$%#?????

How the hell could this idiot get into Congress??? What is this: 1956??? I thought we settled this thing 55 years ago. Apparently not. Damn you Allen West, you son of a bitch. What the @!$%# is wrong with you??? This isn't the Red Scare!!!! This is the 21ST CENTURY.

That's it. The GOP has gone out of control. The moment he said the word communist was the moment that the GOP lost its integrity. Apparently I'm a Communist, as I am a Democrat. No biggie; I can take it. Anybody who calls Democrats communists is an idiot, and that includes you, Oh Mighty Rational One!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Who cares if they are communist? I thought we got PAST Macarthyism and witch hunts. I thought we got to the point where your opinions and beliefs were NOT the business of the government. If you are a communist and can get eleceted in your district, too dang bad for Mr. West and his ilk. Hey Congressman!, welcome to America - Love it or Leave it!

Apparently not. Apparently the GOP still wishes to denounce liberals as communists. Well if I'm a communist then my Republican friends are fascists.

I wish West would leave it...

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

COMMUNISM MY ASS

Here we go, a Joe McCarthy wannabe. Does he check for reds under his bed every night.

"...91% tax rate"

no one ever paid a 91% tax rate , a simple internet search will clear up the rhetoric that has confused liberals

Do you think that the GOP is putting these total wack-jobs in the spotlight in the hope that Americans will not notice that the GOP as a whole are not doing the jobs they've been elected to do?

I would think that, after the infinite scandals that disgraced and defeated the GOP in 2006, they would have been smart enough to regroup and get to the business of running this country during difficult times for all. What little respect they have for their electorate if they think that this is working...but, then again, when you run around with tea bags stapled to your forehead, I guess you deserve very little respect.

West is part of the 96 percent of republickans in congress who are neo-fascists.

And remember, to a fascist, all who are not them are communists.

[White House no likey the women! Equal pay for equal work. I guess Obama didn't get the memo,]

Hey Moocher...chasing down those conspiracy theories and non-troversies again, I see...good for you...you need to keep busy Raab, at least it keeps you from the Cheetos and porn, then having to go to UrgentCare because you have no idea why your penis is orange.

And you're providing a link to "freebeacon"? Really?

You and Ido should get a room...he's providing links to WorldNetDaily and Vision To America. You two are peas in a pod.

I can see it now...two idiots with a bag of Cheetos and pornography...maybe if you break out the "man-on-dog" you can ask Santorum to join you.

jeez, maybe the token black tea bagger really has been tokin'! Commies! What next the House on Un-American Activities Committee? Duck and cover? Bomb shelters in the back yard? Can't wait!

[no one ever paid a 91% tax rate , a simple internet search will clear up the rhetoric that has confused liberals]

if you have to ask,

Since you asked, yes, a simple internet search will clear up your obvoius ignorance. As even you can see, the highest rate was 94% in 1944 & 1945:

History of top rates

• In 1913, the top tax rate was 7% on incomes above $500,000 ($10 million 2007 dollars).

• During World War I, the top rate rose to 77% and the income threshold to be in this top bracket increased to $1,000,000 ($16 million 2007 dollars).

• Under Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon, top tax rates were reduced in 1921, 1924, 1926, and 1928. Mellon argued that lower rates would spur economic growth. By 1928, the top rate was scaled down to 24% and the income threshold for paying this rate fell to $100,000 ($1 million 2007 dollars).

• During the Great Depression and World War II, the top income tax rate rose from pre-war levels. In 1939, the top rate was 75% applied to incomes above $5,000,000 ($75 million 2007 dollars). During 1944 and 1945, the top rate was its all-time high at 94% applied to income above $200,000.

Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States

Well it is probably safe to assume West will not be asked to be VP on the
Romney ticket. Only Obama can get away with having someone as a VP that says stupid things on a regular basis, that the left can simply ignore.

And their communist leader is in the White House.

Alan West is a true patriot I want to move to Florida just to vote for him!

if your going to vote for West you missed the boat .. this is his last term .. the village needs their idiot back

Feisty,

Why is it that you never have anything relevant to say? Your attitude that you are so much smarter than the rest of the world is very telling. I understand that you don't have social connections in the real world and seek validation from others on here with the same radical values.

west talking crap like that is like the pot calling the kettle black. on one hand the republican party tries to emulate communist china- no environmental protection, no worker rights, deplorable working conditions, no unions- i could go on and on, and on the other hand, they try to be like fachists- the basterdized wedding between govt and business- just look at citizens united.

I have a bigger (and more accurate) newsflash for Alan West: "There are idiots in the GOP for allowing you to be associated with their party."

Using Representative West's type of reasoning...let's see...West hates communists...Hitler hated communists...ergo, West is a clandestine, time-displaced, altered Hitler clone sent into the future from the 40's to attempt to jumpstart another 1000 year reich. They even changed his race to African-American to belay suspicions. I certainly haven't seen his U.S. birth certificate, have you? Sieg heil Herr West, we're on to you!

Honor no longer resides in the republican party. NONE!

Allen West is a card carrying member of the Party of Absolutely Stupid. Representative West needs to see a very good psychiatrist, and spend a few years in a padded cell.

I love to come here and watch all the fake liberals circle jerk each other.

MSNDC spoon feeds you an anti-republican story, and you guys jump all over it like flies on a turd.

FAKE LIBERALS. Shame on you!

Supporting a man who had Holder issue a legal opinion that The President deciding to asassinate you is now due process. No need for those pesky civil rights! No need to waste time with lawyers and courts!

Supporting a man who has his feds in swat gear, bullet proof vests, with machine guns....

kicking down the doors of Amish Farmers. Because they dare to sell raw milk. To ACTUAL liberals, mostly.

Supporting a man who didn't like superpacs, then he did, now he wants to cut taxes for corporations who donate to superpacs.

Supporting a man who said his feds would not enforce the federal anti marijuana laws against medicinal clinics...

And then has them raided by SWAT teams with machine guns.

Supporting a man who says that if you have 7 days worth of food in your house, you can be considered a terrorist.

Supporting a man who refuses to call the troops home, when he could do it anytime he wants to.

Supporting a man who sent troops into Uganda 5 weeks after huge OIL reserves were discovered there.

I swear, you guys are like a woman who stays with her man even though he slaps her around.

Useful Idiots Indeed.

I'm a REAL Liberal.

Because we are now officially living in Wacky World,

I had to actually register republican....REPUBLICAN!!!

To be able to support a man who is ACTUALLY AGAINST THE WARS.

To be able to support a man who will repeal the patriot act, and the ndaa.

To be able to support a man who actually opposes wall street bailouts

To be able to support a man who will actually bring our troops home now, and who says - and means - if we're going to build schools and hospitals and roads....

DO IT IN THE USA!!!!

Ron Paul Revolution!

Mikey

the operative word is "PAID" , nothing you posted shows anything about the actual taxes collected , and from Wikipedia no less , anything else?

Alil Common Sense

you can call yourself anything you want. However in my book your not even close to a liberal. Ron Paul is not a conservative either. Ron Paul is anarchist

I just want to point out that there is another communist occupying the White House, before I jump in my foxhole to avoid all of the mean s**t the libs are about to lob at me.

I'm just curious if any of you froot loops can actually quote the tenants of communism or you are screeching out of your pie-holes?

The root word for communism is commune. Anyone live in a community with a communal farm? Anyone live in a COMMUNITY? Get the connection?

Communism is not an inherently evil form of government until some politico gets a hold of it and twists it to his own gain. Much like a Republic.

Every day, there are new and wonderful revelations about Republican party positions. Women need men we don't even know to "help" us make the "right" decisions about our reproductive health. Women should make less money than men do for the same work. We all need smaller government, except in our bedrooms. We don't need clean air or clean water; we don't need safe work environments. We must remain dependent upon foreign oil because as a nation we are not capable of creating new technologies that would lead to our energy independence. One only needs to be "afraid" of another person to legally use "deadly force". (I'm am more afraid of Republicans every day. Can I shoot them in "self defense"?) We have a Republican seated Supreme Court judge (Scalia) making a decision that could result in the repeal of the Affordable Healthcare Act who makes a joke about not reading the actual document because it has a lot of pages. IT IS HIS BLOODY JOB to be fully informed before making a decision!!! And people think this is all OK!!

Today's big reveal takes the cake - OMG, the Congress has 78 to 81 COMMUNISTS!

The one thing that continually amazes me is that there are people who actually believe this @!$%# is the right direction for the country. No wonder the Republicans continue their attack on public education and higher education. No one with critical thinking skills or knowledge of our history can seriously buy into this stuff. (for real, documented history, not Wikipedia or any other re-interpretation. Try reading the actual documents, easily found on line, NOT on Wikipedia)

The state of Congress today as a result of the Great Fools Vote debacle of 2010. It's going well, don't you think?

No, Ron Paul is not an anarchist. The oldest, truest and most genuine of libertarians are anarchists, or...actually closer to socialists. They advocated that since workers were most responsible for the creation of manufactured goods, the workers should have most of the profits from selling those goods, as opposed to the purely capital investments which supported the enterprise. Keep in mind that libertarianism arose in mid 19th century France and you will have a better undrstanding of the principles they stood for. those libertarians had a lot in common with anarchists.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, is a true believer in the 1930's American brand of libertarianism that grew up as a reaction to Roosevelt's New Deal. This brand of libertarianism hated the worker, and deified the monopolist. This brand was spread through a series of mediocre novels by Any Rand, which have had a following in American Universities for decades , primarily with young males who have little success in finding girl friends.

Repost for the collapse cowards:

[Washington Post is reporting that Zimmerman will be charged.]

It seems Raab the Moocher is on the wrong thread...go figure...

Now, on to that nutsack West...this idiot is a prime example of someone who has failed to get treatment for their PTSD. That's obvious.

What isn't so obvious, is just what this nutsack has done that so many other nutsacks post their support defending him, and how he got elected in the first place. That's the REAL quandary.

It seems the 2003 study was correct: Conservatism is a mental disorder.

Ah yes,Never let facts get in the way of a good rant, but if any of You fine folks are the least bit interested in facts, why not, between your ad nauseum, standard radical progressive diatribes, check out and find answers to the following, then, we can actually have a sane rational discussion of the issue, unless of course, You are in fact rabid followers, or, just the useful idiots,(not my term but the term used by the communist for gullible individuals that can be manipulated into doing their bidding) of the Marxist Alinsky, whose concepts Our President actually taught in college and used as a community organizer,(one of which is the use of ridicule against your opponents,"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. It also infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to Your advantage" from the Marxist Alinsky's book "Rules For Radicals", but I'm sure, You already knew that of course, but in case You didn't,don't take my word for it, read up on it for yourselves,then while You are at it, check out;the origins and history of the communist, socialist, and modern progressive movements,the history of labor unions and their use by those movements,communist influence within the radical elements of the civil rights movement, the origins of the progressive caucus within Our Congress,from communism, through the socialist international period, to the Progressive Democrats of today, check out their website,(You really should, while their numbers are not large, around 80, they are the largest caucus within the Democrats in Congress and have gained effective control of the Democratic Party, as demonstrated when normal Democrats tried to remove Pelosi and Reid after the debacle of 2010 but could not because of the progressives) on their website You will find a list of the names of most of the Progressives in Congress,( Pelosi left the caucus when she became Speaker and had too high a profile but have no doubt she is still a member), You might also wish to check out the names of the Communist, Socialist, Maoist and Radicals within the present administration along with the unelected ,unaccountable radicals that have been put into place as appointed"Czars" by this administration to actually run and control the levers of power within the government.When You have gathered this information, compare the stated goals of all of them, Communist, Socialist, and Progressives,see if there are any differences, then We can discuss rationally whether Congressman West and the millions of other Americans who share his belief are correct or not about there being Communist influence within our Government.

J.D.Still,

I'm sure your intent was to sound informed and convincing... let's just leave it that you would be severely disappointed with my reaction to your post.

There are millions of us that "lean" left or right but have more commonality in the middle than you could conceive. Your tying the progressives to "suppressives" (i.e. communists) or someone else tying conservatives to "oppressives" (i.e. fascists) is twisted logic at it's best. Thanks for the laugh.

All this lawmaker exposed was his pointy head.

Still more proof that the Tea Party (created by and largely funded by the Koch brothers) is nothing but a repackaging of the John Birch Society (cofounded by Fred Koch, father of said brothers)

History will not look well upon this time when the Republican Party mainstreamed crazy.

I agree John B; for all their homage to nostalgia, the GOP has become a patched tent for the absurd ideas of our time. I hope that the adults stand up and straighten this mess out and they begin the journey back to responsibility.

[the operative word is "PAID" , nothing you posted shows anything about the actual taxes collected , and from Wikipedia no less , anything else?]

if you have to ask,

So you're saying that just becaused you are taxed at a 28% rate (or 94%), that's not the amount you actually pay? You must have a great accountant. Is he in jail yet? Have you ever been audited?

And if you don't like the Wiki link, feel free to find a source you do like. Simply put, you are cherry picking the issue. What I did notice is you failed to post any source for your initial comment that "no one ever paid a 91% tax rate". And the fact that the rate of 94% is for anything over $200,000 has nothing to do with it.

LMarcT and John B

No, sadly it is about what I have come to expect from the typical respondent here, but if You gentlemen ever actually do have anything of significance to add to a rational discussion please feel free to jump right in, and John, I will see Your Koch Brothers and their legal contributions and raise the point of the millions of dollars of unaccounted for, and as yet univestigated funds that were funneled into the Obama election campaign from unidentified foreign sources, but not to worry, history, historians and criminal investigators do have a way of sorting those things out.(and as an added note ,just to drive You a little further over the edge, historians have found and presented ACTUAL EVIDENCE that McCarthy was right, but I am sureYou know that right?

J.D.Still...have you ever heard of punctuation, instead of just one long sentence.

DeJay

LOL, actually I have,and if I were writing an academic paper, I would, but when I am presenting information to certain audiences I try to keep it in easily digestable bites, but nice try at deflection. Now, do You have anything of substance to add to the discussion?

The founders of this nation were progressives.

J.D.Still:

and as an added note ,just to drive You a little further over the edge, historians have found and presented ACTUAL EVIDENCE that McCarthy was right, but I am sureYou know that right?

Yes, I'm sure completely impartial "historians" have found totally objective "evidence" to that effect. Let me just get right on the wild goose chase of verifying that incredibly vague claim.

This guy sounds like Hitler...Which reminds me..what about the Grover Norquist Nazis on the other side ???

The 17 Tea ReTards in Congress are Communists, they should be put in jail for like for sabotaging this Nation. "Where is the Dept., of Justice"

Sorry, "Life"

Scratch another name off the possible Vice President candidate list!

Oh, I hope not! West could easily out-Palin Palin! Romney might be foolish enough to nominate West in order to court the black vote, just like McCain tried to get the "women for Hillary" vote with Palin. But the flake factor with West is much greater than even Palin could manage.

Comedians need the material...

Alan West is a true patriot I want to move to Florida just to vote for him!

Since when was vicious rumor mongering and spreading libelous lies considered to be patriotism? Not in my book.

Oh, well, one of the defects of a democratic republic is the lunatic fringe have the right to vote - but fortunately, they are usually outnumbered by the sensible middle.

alil C Sense blathered: Supporting a man who had Holder issue a legal opinion that The President deciding to asassinate you is now due process. No need for those pesky civil rights! No need to waste time with lawyers and courts!

So... should we simply ignore traitorous ex-citizen terrorists in foreign nations, or maybe ask the local government to please arrest them for us, even if there is no extradition, the local government is unstable or hostile? Apparently Alil Sense doesn't realize that we are in a war against a terrorist organization, and that certain civilized niceties like orderly arrests and trials don't apply in a war zone.

Supporting a man who has his feds in swat gear, bullet proof vests, with machine guns.... kicking down the doors of Amish Farmers. Because they dare to sell raw milk. To ACTUAL liberals, mostly.

Not the Feds, that's local state regulations on milk sales that lead to the the "Amish incident". Some states allow raw milk sales - provided certain standards are met - and other states ban raw milk sales completely on health grounds. States do have a right to enforce their laws, and some Amish are known to own guns.

Supporting a man who didn't like superpacs, then he did, now he wants to cut taxes for corporations who donate to superpacs.

Hmm, Romney - wants to cut corporate taxes. Santorum - wants to cut corporate taxes. Gingrich - wants to cut corporate taxes. Ron Paul - wants to eliminate corporate taxes. All of them in favor of "Superpacs", so which of those are you referring to?

Supporting a man who said his feds would not enforce the federal anti marijuana laws against medicinal clinics... And then has them raided by SWAT teams with machine guns.

And if he hadn't enforced drug laws, you'd be complaining that he didn't enforce drug laws... You'd complain either way.

Supporting a man who says that if you have 7 days worth of food in your house, you can be considered a terrorist.

Where did that lunatic notion come from? Oh, yes, from the right-wing rumor mills, taking a statement completely out of context then stretching and altering it into something that makes no sense whatsoever. Congratulations for spreading more lies and rumors.

Supporting a man who refuses to call the troops home, when he could do it anytime he wants to.

It's a lot more complicated than simply saying "come on home". It would be a total waste if an abrupt pullout lead to a return of the terrorist supporters to power, turning a win into a loss. The President isn't that foolish, he is doing an orderly draw-down and maintaining security and stability during the process.

Supporting a man who sent troops into Uganda 5 weeks after huge OIL reserves were discovered there.

1). No "huge oil reserves" found in Uganda.
2). We haven't sent troops to Uganda.

Yep, another nonsense right-wing rumor monger...

Ash Plissken

No need to trouble Yourself trying to find it , here, I'll spoon feed it to You: the article is based upon a seminar given on C-Span by Accuracy in Academia, and is titled, "Most Hated Senator Was Right, Scholars report Joseph McCarthy's charges now accepted as Fact", You can find it at http://www.wnd.com/2000/02/4020/ ,You are on Your own now, I can't read it for You, sorry.Enjoy and learn.

Alil-Obama followed the old maxim when it came to SuperPacs: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. He had to unless he was going to get slaughtered.

And Alil, what liberal would vote for a guy who thinks that the income tax is bad; who wants to take down SS and Medicare, and who wants to dismantle the Department of Education??? No disrespect to Dr. Paul, but the guy is a nut. His policies are more suited for the 19th century; we live in the 21st century.

And who are you to say that we stick to Obama even though he blasts us??? Your candidate said that a person without health insurance who ended up in an accident should be left to die. How sickening is that??? What if that was you??? You stay by Ron Paul even though he rants about how "government is too big" and how the Constitution should be followed by the book, and even when he opposes programs that have helped the poor and middle class significantly, like SS and Medicare??? Seems to me that you are like the woman who sticks by her man while he abuses her.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

So Keith Ellison, a Muslim, is a communist. Strange, I cannot think of any religion which has fought with more vigor for the past century against communists than Muslims, Unlike democracy or republicanism (NO, NOT the GOP) which are religiously tolerant, communism represses ALL religion (the opiate of the masses). Christianity, Hinduism and Bhuddism allow Islam an opportunity to compete. Communism outlaws them all.

Rep. West reveals much about his understanding of the world by declaring "Progressive" equivalent to communist. He almost makes McCarthy sound sane.

If this West person is counting "Communists," he also needs to set aside time to count Whigs, Luddites, Bull Moose, space aliens, and all the other obscure and obsolete subversives who might be lurking under not only his bed, but those of his voters and other supporters.

Communists? North Koreans are self-proclaimed Communists, and yes indeedy, we sure want to be just like them!

Jesus H. Christ and his brothers Dave and Randy, what is making Americans so bat@!$%# crazy? Is it the lousy educational system, a side effect of food preservatives and/or morbid obesity, or an as-yet undiscovered brain parasite?

Toasty, I have to agree with you on this guy (West) not being the brightest cookie in the box. However, I don't think he holds a candle yet to Randy "Duke" Cunningham, former politician, and the only Navy Vietnam War air ace from California. Now there was a guy who said did some dumb things in office! He was also a virulent homophobe. I believe he is still serving a 13 year sentence in a prison in Tucson, AZ for accepting bribes from defense contractors. Let's hope West does not go that far.

vote them all out of office Republicans and Democrats a like .

H.R 347 was passed with only 3 representatives voting no and 47. all the Senators voted for it and the president signed it .

Chris Hedges Occupy the Courts NY Jan … starts at 1:35 lame band before then with details about a lawsuit filed against Obama

Outlaw Occupy: US set to strangle protest… h.r 347

Fault Lines - History of an occupation

The Occupy Revolution Has Begun! just a note like the video , do not endorse Ron Paul luckily it is the last 15 -20 sec of the video

The Corporation

This is America not Amerika , It is our constitutional right to protect from enemies both foreign and domestic. Both Parties are corrupt and must be removed along with the laws that were bought by corporations.

Freshieeee! Speaking to a crowd of 8500 people at UC Berkeley, Ron Paul said he would save Medicare by bringing the Troops Home! Win Win!!!!! You know this because I told you, and posted the video. Want it again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dtikarhVhg

Now, as to CM6969's complete NONSENSE, allow me to respond:

"alil C Sense blathered: Supporting a man who had Holder issue a legal opinion that The President deciding to asassinate you is now due process. No need for those pesky civil rights! No need to waste time with lawyers and courts!

So... should we simply ignore traitorous ex-citizen terrorists in foreign nations, or maybe ask the local government to please arrest them for us, even if there is no extradition, the local government is unstable or hostile? Apparently Alil Sense doesn't realize that we are in a war against a terrorist organization, and that certain civilized niceties like orderly arrests and trials don't apply in a war zone."

Wrong. The Legal Opinion that Obama had Eric Holder issue specifically states that if The President decides to asassinate you, no matter WHO you are, no matter WHERE you are, you are considered to have recieved "due process under the law". That, coupled with his new powers under the NDAA, means The President can order The Military to snatch you from your bed in the middle of the night. No right to even a phone call. No right to a lawyer or to the courts. RIGHT HERE IN THE US!!!! And now he can even order you killed!!!!!!! Fake Liberals, supporting a man who would do such a thing! Supporting a man who would even WANT that kind of power. Did you want Bush to have that? Romney? Grinch or Santorum? But when Obama does it you all just go along.
That's why I call you FAKE liberals. Posers! Fakes! Blind Party SHEEPLE!

""Supporting a man who has his feds in swat gear, bullet proof vests, with machine guns.... kicking down the doors of Amish Farmers. Because they dare to sell raw milk. To ACTUAL liberals, mostly."

"Not the Feds, that's local state regulations on milk sales that lead to the the "Amish incident". Some states allow raw milk sales - provided certain standards are met - and other states ban raw milk sales completely on health grounds. States do have a right to enforce their laws, and some Amish are known to own guns.""
WRONG AGAIN! The FEDS are raiding the Amish, for breaking FEDERAL regulations issued by a FEDERAL agency, The FDA. They are using FEDERAL AGENTS.
THIS is what you are supporting. Open your Cortex, people! For ALL our sakes!

""Supporting a man who didn't like superpacs, then he did, now he wants to cut taxes for corporations who donate to superpacs."

"Hmm, Romney - wants to cut corporate taxes. Santorum - wants to cut corporate taxes. Gingrich - wants to cut corporate taxes. Ron Paul - wants to eliminate corporate taxes. All of them in favor of "Superpacs", so which of those are you referring to?"
So you argument here is what exactly? Other people said it or did it, so that makes it ok for Obama? Because, you know, that's a pretty weak argument you got there. Let me tell you about the man you are supporting. He was THE FIRST CANDIDATE EVER to not take public money. THAT is what unleasehed this torrent of money in our political system. Obama set it off. He publicly challenged McCain to take public money, which limits your campaign spending. When McCain agreed, and did, Obama "changed his mind". This is who you are supporting, a man who started lying to you before he was even elected. A promise breaker. A deciever and a liar.

""Supporting a man who said his feds would not enforce the federal anti marijuana laws against medicinal clinics... And then has them raided by SWAT teams with machine guns."

(CONTINUED)

"And if he hadn't enforced drug laws, you'd be complaining that he didn't enforce drug laws... You'd complain either way."
Again, complete and utter Bullsheet. The ultimate Freedom and Liberty starts with being able to control your own body. If you want to drink raw milk, you have that god given right. If you cannot control what you do with your own body, then you are a slave. This is what people don't understand about Ron Pauls stance on abortion. He is against abortion. HOWEVER, He is ALSO against the govt running around regulating womens uterusses.

""Supporting a man who says that if you have 7 days worth of food in your house, you can be considered a terrorist."

"Where did that lunatic notion come from? Oh, yes, from the right-wing rumor mills, taking a statement completely out of context then stretching and altering it into something that makes no sense whatsoever. Congratulations for spreading more lies and rumors."
You are wrong at every front. You haven't been right ONCE in this whole thing you typed up. When Obama signed into law the patriot act twice and the ndaa, it included definitions of who might be considered a terrorist. I'll let Jon Stewart explain it to you, if you really do want to know the truth. There's a great clip of Rand Paul in his speech against the bill remarking on the 7 days of food. Jon Stewart then jokingly refers to a few cans of beans he got on sale!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-december-7-2011/arrested-development---one-way-train-to-gitmo

""Supporting a man who refuses to call the troops home, when he could do it anytime he wants to."

"It's a lot more complicated than simply saying "come on home". It would be a total waste if an abrupt pullout lead to a return of the terrorist supporters to power, turning a win into a loss. The President isn't that foolish, he is doing an orderly draw-down and maintaining security and stability during the process."
Bullsheets. Bring them Home NOW! What are we going to "win"? Why are we building Hospitals, Roads, Bridges and Schools in Afghanistan and Iraq instead of in The United States? Why are we pouring our money and the lives of our youth into ratholes around the globe? Only a FAKE liberal could support that.

""Supporting a man who sent troops into Uganda 5 weeks after huge OIL reserves were discovered there.

1). No "huge oil reserves" found in Uganda.
2). We haven't sent troops to Uganda.
Useful Idiot indeed. How can you so strongly support a man when you have NO IDEA what he is doing?
Let me explain it to you. FIRST, we discover OIL in Uganda. SECOND, a slick video called "KONY 2012" goes viral on the internet. THIRD we send in the troops.
Here, contrary to what you think, we discover the OIL:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/world/africa/uganda-welcomes-oil-but-fears-graft-it-attracts.html
And HERE COMES THE TROOPS!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/obama-sends-100-us-troops-to-uganda-to-combat-lords-resistance-army/

By the way..... Kony hasn't even been in Uganda in YEARS.

"Yep, another nonsense right-wing rumor monger..."
You make me laugh. You insist you know all the facts, even going so far as to call me a liar.
Guess what? I don't LIE like you. I don't MAKE THINGS UP like you do.
And neither does Ron Paul.
Ron Paul Revolution 2012

Rep Keith Ellison represents the "antithesis of the [founding] principles" because he's a progressive, not because he's a Muslim.

You think that the Founding Fathers weren't "progressive"? LOL. They were the radicals of their day. They denied the authority of the king, created a republic and instituted a written constitution with a strong bill of rights, all under the concept of "all men are created equal." Now, that's progressive thinking!

I think this is an impeachable offense. Do I have a problem with calling people communists? Other than thinking it is a little archaic and silly, no!

I call the other side names all the time. The important difference is that I was not elected by the American people to attack the problems confronting our country. I am not accepting the money of the American people to do this job. Where does Mr. West get the idea that the country is in such good shape that he has the time to not only piss away his own time but to distract everyone else from the concrete problems we face. I think Mr. West should be recalled, not for his absurd allegations but for his total disregard for his job and the REAL problems facing this country. Once Mr West has fixed the economy and dealt with terrorism then he can tell us all about how he equates progressives with communists. But he needs to do it on his own time. He has slapped the entire country in the face by ignoring the real issues facing this country.

Just how rational is "therationalone"? First you he want to look up in the dictionary what Rational really means and second perhaps he should drop his card carrying skin head membership.

Instead of making false claims that he has ZERO proof of maybe he should attend school and better his education.

That's the trouble with the internat; anyone can make false claims and try to get away with them. He may be entitled to his absurd comments but making stupid comments that are NOT fact based is repulsive.

Wow.

What is in that tea those partiers are smoking?

The GOP took a ride down that slippery slope when they instituted their so called southern strategy. Every nutcase in the south now has a national not regional voice to spew their particular anger, hatred, and frustration in public forums. It is sad to see this once great party slide down that hill all because their original ideas were proved to be worthless. Ask yourself this. When was the last time a republican came out with a plan to get this country going again that did not include pulling our pants down to aid the rich. The Tparty is funded by two old rich codgers who made their money the old fashioned way. They inherited it. This clown is how they all think. Their brains must be in their behinds because thats where their heads are.

Very true, breadex. Richard Nixon enabled 40 years of escalating attempts to relitigate the outcome of the Civil War. As the party became increasingly radical even the crazy thinking of the John Birch Society, cofounded by Fred Koch, has become mainstream GOP doctrine.

The only rational response to such @!$%#ery is "And, your point"? It's not 1950, and it's not illegal to be communist (and the actual Communist Party of America would LOVE to have 80 members in Congress, someone should let them know).

Mccarthy is dead and rotted. Stop trying to dig him up.

Allen West is a true divider, exaggerator, and liar.

If all democrats are communist then all republicans are fascists.

In related news, he also thinks that those 80 democrats were not born in the United States, and they should provide their birth certificates, pronto

West sounds eerily similar to Anthony Wiener and Alan Grayson to mention but a few liberal whack jobs.

McCarthyism has returned -- 80 communists? There's definitely 1 congressman who's tinfoil hat is a little too tight -- no oxygen is getting to the brain. Please, Romney, take Sarah Palin's advise and pick Allen West for your VP.

Rick-3416939 -- Not even close.

This guy's mental "furniture" is so NOT in the right rooms!

Pul-lease - LOL! Yep that's about his level of mental acuity! Oh wait, there are still idiots who believe that cwap!!!!

You know he is absolutely right. There are communists in congress. The problem is he got the party wrong. The Republican Party is full of Communists who promote wealth distribution from the poor to the wealthy and socialism in tax and subsidy giveaways to corporations and the wealthy.

He's a criminal, too. The United States Armed Forces take VERY seriously instances of prisoner abuse, and that's why this sick @!$%# got fired in the first place.

LMAO @ AKRandy.. Put down the GOP kool-aid.. The GOP = Racists, Women haters and war mongers and are also Anti-American.. But hey, its their policies that define them.. The GOP have a war on women. They want to strip a womans right to choose ANYTHING for herself away. The GOP want to continue their holy war with Islam, something the Christians have been doing since the crusades and longer. The GOP in the case of Santorum want to rule America with Judea-Christian Sharia law.. His words, not mine.. I prefer the Dems stance on America versus the GOP stance on America. one party wants to rebuild THIS nation, the other party wants to rebuild the world in their twisted form of Democracy.. We know who is who and who the real Patriots and Americans are. Hint.. When you move forward in your vehicle what letter is lit up to make it move? Hint, its not a safe practice if you choose Reverse to drive in all the time!! Illegal actually..

EVERY ONE of the congressfolk are Socialists, have been since the early 1930s when America implemented Social Security..

Elect the GOP to lead America starting in 2013 and beyond and a few things will happen. Iran will be invaded by Willard without ANY thought about the ramifications of doing so. Invading Iran will cause gas to double maybe triple within one month. Care to complain when gas is $8-$12/gallon and it'll still be Obamas fault eh? Unemployment will spike again, as more war means less people entering the workforce. More war means higher deficits and less domestic production. Invading Iran will invite China and Russia to protect Iran, then what?? Can America defend its Western shores & Hawaii against a Billion person force that China would throw at us? Russia has 5000+ Nukes. America has about the same. We are worried about Iran gaining a nuke? LMAO

Get a grip Americans. We are $14 TRILLION in debt and should focus on America for once in 235+ years. We shouldn't worry about what Iran, China or any other nation does within its sovereign borders, until we are stable, secure and sane again. America and Americans have been neglected for decades due to the GOPs warmongering course of action. We must allow common sense and reality take hold. The GOP will lead us to be invaded and occupied for the first time in our short existence as a nation. Choose wisely, remember Americas future and freedoms are at stake.

West will make a good running mate (VP) for the 2012 election for Romney...

He's as Wacky as you can get and represents the FAR RIGHT WING WACKOS exactly...

If the POTUS and VPOTUS candidates for the Republican Party keep making asses out of themselves, as they have been doing all year, OBAMA will win in a landslide. The American middle-class and poor will be saved and America will become a great place to live again...

Support the 99% and show the FAR RIGHT WING WACKOS the exit doors over the next 4-8 years of elections...

Toasty, you know nothing of his military back ground, same was said about Patton and MacArthur. Without knowing you but for a few comments on these vines should I judge you?

It's in the official record, Lee. The man was fired for abusing a prisoner. The U.S. Army can and DID better than that scumbag. He's a disgrace to the uniform and a damned disgrace to the United States Congress.

Toasty, do you know the circumstances of the charge? I remember when it happened.

Yes Lee. He shot a gun next to the head of a prisoner and allowed four of his soldiers to another one senseless, and was fired from his post with a $5,000 fine. The man is a @!$%#ing disgrace to the uniform, and is a stain upon the honor of the United States Army.

Er, to beat another one senseless.

The posts here that exhibit the mental processes of republickans are a perfect demonstration of the reasons our country has been declining since Rotten Reagan.

That's someone who'll be losing his seat in November.

That would make a matched set since he's already lost his mind. As Bugs Bunny would say - "What a maroon!"

the village wants their idiot back.. so .. Comrade West will not be in the senate next term

Using Representative West's type of reasoning...let's see...West hates communists...Hitler hated communists...ergo, West is a clandestine, time-displaced, altered Hitler clone sent into the future from the 40's to attempt to jumpstart another 1000 year reich. They even changed his race to African-American to belay suspicions. I certainly haven't seen his U.S. birth certificate, have you? Sieg heil Herr West, we're on to you!

Please, please, please make this idiot the Republican VP nominee!

Does he even understand communism? Last I looked, the last thing Communists do is elect representatives! Moron!

Bravo Mr West , well said and the progressives have always wanted to take from the middle class and give it to others !!!

I don't care who becomes president, why would anyone in their right mind want that job, the program will remain the same if its democrat or republican. have you ever noticed that all the promises go out the window as soon as the person gets sworn in, the new president simply goes with the previous program, what we need is new puppet masters. you people are only fooling yourselves.

Actually, it's the Republicans who insist on lower tax rates for the super wealthy than for the middle class. The Democrats want to raise rates on the wealthy to fund middle class tax breaks. You haven't been doing your homework again, no video games tonight!

I would gladly take communism we the people over two parties bickering.

Too bad Ron Paul has this serious problem with the Civil Rights Act...

Sandy, Missouri -- Absolutely right. These Right-wing comrades believe in privatizing profit, but socializing debt, as well as redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich.

Steve Rogers-3917073 -- Excellent Glenn Beck chalk board guilt-by-association analysis.

There is a new PoliSci hypothesis that the more the GOP/TP feel they are losing a debate, the more likely they will start calling Democrats "Commies." Allen West proved this to be true yet again.

And if the Teapublicans want a stark contrast, a clear choice for voters in 2012, Romney should pick either Paul Ryan or Allen West for VP -- Romney is a plutocrat (and who knows what else). Paul Ryan is a "starve the beast" anarchist and religious radical, and Allen West is a wacko conspiracy theorist. These guys definitely sum up what the GOP has become.

Alil, you have none when you support a fake libertarian like Ron Paul.

The oldest, truest and most genuine of libertarians are anarchists, or...actually closer to socialists. They advocated that since workers were most responsible for the creation of manufactured goods, the workers should have most of the profits from selling those goods, as opposed to the purely capital investments which supported the enterprise. Keep in mind that libertarianism arose in mid 19th century France and you will have a better undrstanding of the principles they stood for. those libertarians had a lot in common with anarchists. Real libertarians valued labor, not wealth.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, is a true believer in the 1930's American brand of libertarianism that grew up as a reaction to Roosevelt's New Deal. This brand of libertarianism hated the worker, and deified the monopolist. This brand was spread through a series of mediocre novels by Ayn Rand, which have had a following in American Universities for decades, primarily with young males who have little success in finding girl friends. this brand is basically an apology for the rich taking everything they can from the worker who is creating their wealth.

This is the brand of libertarianism that excuses Mitt Romney for taking over companies that pay a living wage, gutting them and firing the workers. But, then, taking over another company that pays minimum wage and then claiming; "on the whole, I create jobs." A true libertarian would say that is wrong, that the workers in both companies deserve the profits of their labor, not the userers who bought the company from other userers.

You, lil, and Ron Paul, are not liberals, you are just more Romney supporters.

Well, in that case, one of Dems should respond back with the charge that most of the freshmen members of the House are anarchists, bible-thumpers, gun-nuts, and neo-fascists.

I think he was referring to this - the not so current roster of the Congressional progressive Caucus:

http://warisacrime.org/pc

who work with the Democratic Socialist party:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35733956/DSA-Members-American-Socialist-Voter-Democratic-Socialists-of-America-10-1-09

socialism, communism...not much of a difference really...

"socialism, communism...not much of a difference really..."

No, there is a huge difference. Not doing your home work again, I see, well, you know the consequences: No XBox for you tonight, go study!

"Communists" I think he was referring to the Tea ReTards, unfortunate for the GOP, the TeaNuts are a cult that play on religion but deep inside they are like the pagans !

We seriously need to get back to the conversation on "opportunity"... and keep it there. The Allen West character has made an idiotic statement that should have no reaction except to vote him out of office.

It's just as stupid as Romney stating that it's right to support the 1% rich to "keep the American dream alive"... and wrong to support the unfortunate because it encourages them to "sit on the couch".

I'll tell you what encourages "couch sitting".

When "making it" becomes less likely than winning a lottery ticket, people lose their motivation. The gap between the rich and the 99% super majority is wide. It is viewed as an impossible leap for most. It is a disincentive at best and absolute oppression at worst.

Taxing me at 30% while letting the likes of Romney escape with something less than 15% makes me want to go sit on my f*cking couch.

Romney supporting even more tax breaks for the rich makes me want to SLEEP on my couch (after I throw up).

And the Republican "Ryan budget" that takes Romney's views one step further by supporting those tax cuts with cuts from virtually ALL of our support systems? Might as well chug some Jack and slit my wrists... maybe THAT's just the lind of "motivation" they were seeking?

The progressives may look like communists when you're that far right, but from here (near center) the Republicans look like space aliens.

Why not mention the large number of Neo-Facists, Neo-Nazis, and Klansmen that are in the GOP? Seems that his take is a bit skewed.

Toasty (toasty? lol), you make some outrageous claims, but in reality you are just pandering to the liberal wack jobs here at FR! What does your husband think of your little hobby?

West's comments are blown all out of proportion, but the bottom line is, like someone else mentioned here, Obama's political beliefs are much closer to those of communism than capitalism! And that's a fact toasty(?)!

So, where the petition to back him as a running mate for Mitt?

Getting him on the GOP ticket would be a slam dunk for Obama in November, just like Palin turned out to be a boat anchor for them in 2008. People who liked her, really liked here, but the majority of people thought she was totally unqualified, unprofessional, not very bright, and totally scared of the thought of her as President. Alan West looks like he could fill Palin's shoes this time around.

EEngineer

Democracy and communism can co-exist. Marx said that Democracy was the necessary path to it in the communist manifesto. I do believe the Progressive Caucus are the same as the Labour Party. The Labour party in England are democratic socialists. The Progressive Caucus is also very socialistic. True story.

It's unfortunate that getting elected in this country does not require any intelligence. West is a perfect example, and there are many others like him warming seats in Congress. In a democracy electors get the government they deserve. If the voters are ignorant, misinformed and gullible that's what they vote for.

Well, I have read through 236 posts so far, and I will respond to the one I consider the most intelligent, that of Alil Common Sense (#1.90 and #2.28 above). I totally agree with his gripes about Obama. These gripes have been expressed in a remarkable series on the MSNBCTV news commentary program Hardball, hosted by Chris Mathews, called "The Rise of the New Right". I agree with the gripes of the New Right as expressed on this series and recommend all to watch it on the MSNBCTV archives.

However I disagree with Alil in his endorsement of Ron Paul, even though Ron is several cuts above the average party hack congressman. I disagree first of all with Ron's advocacy of the gold standard. The price of gold, like any other commodity, can be manipulated by the big money speculators as was evidenced by the recent pump up to $2,000 an ounce and the dump down to $1,800, a 10% drop in one day. How basing our currency on such a volatile commodity can stabilize our currency is beyond me. Besides, thanks to Ron, we are already (sort of) on a gold standard. The Treasury mints gold coins containing an ounce of gold with a face value of $50. You can buy them from the Treasury for the current price of gold (which assures that they will not be used as currency) plus a small minting fee; Then you can sell them back for the current price of gold. To me, a gold standard would seem to be turning the Treasury into a gold merchant, buying gold with dollars and redeeming dollars with gold, all at the current price on the world gold market. What good this would do is beyond me.

The other problem I have with Ron is his "end the fed" advocacy. I believe the Fed should be nationalized along the lines of Dennis Kucinich's NEED act, which was submitted to congress and promptly thrown in the waste basket of the finance committee. I also encourage all to read this act online (google it). In fact, I think a debate between Ron and Dennis would be much more enlightening than one between a Tweedledee Romney and a Tweedledum Obama.

To get back to the topic of the article under discussion, I do not consider it an insult to be called a Communist, as I have been one for over 60 years. This does not mean that I defend the policies advocated by Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot (or even the American Communist Party, if as one poster claimed, they support Obama), but only that I advocate the Communist principle of "from each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs". How to accomplish this in a peaceful manner will be the topic of a separate post to follow shortly.

I'm going to take a liberal approach to this conversation... To all of you bashing West, you are all racist!

The "gripes of the New Right" I mentioned in my previous post were legitimate complaints that were motivated most likely by the outrage over the bank bailouts after the big crash of 2008 and Obama's even bigger bailout after his inauguration the next year. Also Obama put a few right wing groups on the Homeland Security watch list, which caught the attention of the right wing. These legitimate complaints however were submerged by the co-option of the Tea Party by the Koch brothers, who turned the Tea Party into a bought and paid for subsidiary of the Establishment Power Elite controlled Republican Party. Recently, the Occupy Wall Street movement arose voicing similar complaints; but they are in danger of being similarly co-opted by the Establishment Power Elite controlled Democratic Party. To avoid this possibility, I offer the following suggestion.

“The Occupy Movement should occupy the unemployment office. They should encourage everyone without a job to form a line outside their local office. If even a fraction of the unemployed did so, that would create quite an attention getting spectacle. Then they should go down the line and ask everyone to sign a petition to form a Right to Work party, whose one principle would be for the government to guarantee everyone the right to work at a living wage. 50% of Americans earn less than a living wage, which has been determined as $30,000 a year (slightly more for those married with children). Only 40% of Americans vote, and these are almost all from the upper 50%, and of these 10% vote for a third party. Since the Republicans and Democrats have approximately equal voting power, each has about 15% of the electorate. Only 20% of the under paid and jobless would be required to elect a Right to Work candidate to every elected position in the country, giving them the ability to call for a constitutional convention to override any opposition of the corrupt Supreme Court. There is plenty of work that needs doing, but it is not being done because the rich are hoarding the money. The Right to Work party should advocate a progressive surtax on the rich to pay for their wages. There is a lot more they could demand, but that's enough for now.”

Sorry Bill, but these are undisputed facts in his military record. Try again, kiddo.

vote them all out of office Republicans and Democrats a like .

H.R 347 was passed with only 3 representatives voting no and 47. all the Senators voted for it and the president signed it .

Chris Hedges Occupy the Courts NY Jan … starts at 1:35 lame band before then with details about a lawsuit filed against Obama

Outlaw Occupy: US set to strangle protest… h.r 347

Fault Lines - History of an occupation

The Occupy Revolution Has Begun! just a note like the video , do not endorse Ron Paul luckily it is the last 15 -20 sec of the video

The Corporation

This is America not Amerika , It is our constitutional right to protect from enemies both foreign and domestic. Both Parties are corrupt and must be removed along with the laws that were bought by corporations.

socialism, communism...not much of a difference really

WOW! I could say go back to school but it would not make a difference.

Rambovet...

"Lunatics"....explain Congresswoman Frederica Wilson to me ??? If it's at all possible.

It's been years since I've visited Florida but I have to really wonder what is going on down there. Allen West is over the top and Frederica Wilson in her pink cowboy outfit sounded like she had an IQ of 30. I am coming to believe that if this is the best we can do we are doomed.

Ramboet, Palin huh, I'll raise you a Biden!

OR just look at "The Quiter" herself.....

the 3 am call comes in

and Sarah decides it's time to go home...

It is very simple, she ran against an independent, no republican (not that a Republican would ever win that district anyway).

I'll raise both of you a Quail and Bush dad and Cheney!

One can't spell. One can't find Saddam and the Other shoots his friend who he thought was a bird.

At least Biden hasn't shot anyone and can spell.

420 - and Biden has great foreign relations experience. Even though he makes gaffes he has the respect of politicians on both sides of the aisle.

Got to love the excuse makers, for every lame Republican you can name a Liberal, why can't you people accept that?

wlee - no excuse - just the facts!

Got to love the excuse makers, for every lame Republican you can name a Liberal, why can't you people accept that?

OK, I'll bite! What liberal has made these kind of looney accusations? Congressman says 80 fellow lawmakers are communists... Which one?

This takes us back to the days of McCarthyism, and we know how well that all ended!

This fellow tries to outdo himself whenever he opens his mouth. Tell me, what has he accomplished legislatively since getting into Congress? One thing though; he has led the band of legislators that say the wackiest things ever. His statements indicate a troubled past and therefore one yet to be redeemed from the idiocy that all to often plague the minds of such people. He is certainly not statesman material- his statements becoming even more bizarre since the suggestion by the other idiot Sarah Palin that he be drawn to be the running mate for Romney. What A Joke!!!!!!!!!!

You all or most all think "vote them out" but if you do they will still live on there sallery for life, plus then a new one has to be elected in so there goes more government money and probably will be the same as this nut head West.

I believe he knows exactly what he's talking about.

E

kucenich, waters, ellison, the black caucus, most of california's delegates, the loud mouth women that wear those goofy hats, new yorks reps, mass., the florida black reps.

Heck, haven't got to the senate yet.

Ramboet, Palin is the best the Tea ReTards have, she can still see Russia from her back yard in Alaska ! Also Palin has a nick name "bimbo" shes not stupid, shes just dumb like Sen. Grassley !

On the subject of lunatics, one need look no further than Palin's choice for VP.

Ramboet... just another bored liberal housewife that feels the need to pander, lol!

Perhaps you and toasty should get together and bake cookies for whatever's left of the OWS crowd. At least that would be more productive than your inane comments!

Attack the person when you have no other ideas. Good tea party strategy.

As opposed to the very rational approach taken when those on the 'left' launch verbal attacks at Republicans or Conservatives.

New to this site ?

Attack the person when you have no other ideas. Good tea party strategy...Actually this is straight form the liberal play book...you ever watch MSNBC?

One Person says it all BARNEY (PICKLE SNIFFER) FRANK !

What about that fat a$$ black congressman John Lewis from georgia or wherever that said sharks swim the gulfstream currents in search of slaves thrown overboard 200 yrs ago.

Stupid, yes...commie probably. How's that Engin

democrats are AT LEAST as stupid as republicans......I can go name for name with each party...it's a stupidity tie

"she can still see Russia from her back yard in Alaska !"

I the figurative sense (the way it was meant)... you CAN see Russia from Alaska.

If you are going to insult someone, try to use a quote that is worthy.

I doubt it...as far as anyone can tell rhetorical questions and symbolic meaning are beyond the understanding of Princess Dumb@$$ of the Northwoods.

"she can still see Russia from her back yard in Alaska !"

I the figurative sense (the way it was meant)... you CAN see Russia from Alaska.

If you are going to insult someone, try to use a quote that is worthy.

But the point is that she gave a very simple-minded answer to a complex question and then went on to claim that "Putin" would attack Alaska first or at least come over Alaska first to attack the U.S.

Caribou Barbie is a probably a pretty nice woman who should stay out of national affairs given that she doesn't possess the intellect to run a hot dog cart.

Hit a NERVE.... no it's just surprising

I mean IT WAS the REPUBLICANS who SCREAMED REAGAN KILLED COMMUNISM

and to now ADMIT you all LIED & that it's ALIVE and growing in Washington DC

just like REPUBLICANS said in 1956, "IKE IS A COMMIE DUPE"...

well I guess if you whackjobs say it's TRUE again

then we Libruls should get down on our godless knees and worship your holy wisdom ...eh bugsy ?

OK! consider me a Conservative !

or do I have to be nutz too ?

wlee-950886

Wow that word Communist really hit a nerve, wonder why?

Calling Republicans "fascist" always hits a nerve, too. Wonder why?

wlee, I'm going to speculate because it's an outrageous and obvious lie to curry favor with rabid right-wingers paranoid about Marxism somehow taking away their government pensions or something.

wlee -

I would hazard a guess that many of the 'progressive democrats' are on that list. I actually saw a copy of it that was floating around a couple of years ago. Nearly every state was represented on the list - and every one of them was in Congress as a democrat. It was claimed that the list came from the communist party in the United states itself and that they published their membership list because they were proud of it.

Oh, dear God, Tammy. Are you THAT divorced from reality that you believe that nonsense?

God, you would have LOVED the 50's.

THe Narwhal room is running full steam trying to keep this truth from spreading. IF they studied the data they have spent three years gathering on all of us (talk about big brother watching) then they know Socialism and Communism is something only the losers in our society want.

You can call Republicans fascist all you want, since I'm an Independent, but judging from the three attacks on my observation, someone seems a bit sensitive. BTW watch the obvious HONOR CODE violations, I would hate to see you banned from expressing your God given rights to free speech

newday - Tammy is not "divorced" from reality - she was NEVER married to it!

Seeking Sanity, Again with the HONOR CODE violation is name calling your only response in a debate?

wlee - no name calling in that post. You're just making things up now!

Seeking Sanity, what would you call telling someone they aren't dealing in reality?

wlee- I would call it right on target. I didn't call her names. Is it your job to monitor the posts here???

Is it your job to monitor the posts here???

Like I said below, he/she has this grandiose sense of importance & has decided to appoint themselves, judge & jury!

Ignore em... they are nothing more then a lowly little blogger just like the rest of us! ☺

So--does every Neocon who was embarrassed by Dubya now call himself an "Independent" while dishing out the same rhetoric?

Feisty - lowly little blogger -oooooh name caller!!! LOL! Hi Feisty!

This is just Alan West's blatant attempt to pander to the moderates in the GOP.

Allen West: intelligent. strong. capable. well-spoken. knowledgeable. experienced.

In addition to the above, the word that first comes to my mind when I think of him is "integrity".

From what I've seen and heard of him so far, I think he'd make a great VP, and maybe president one day.

He's not intelligent, otherwise he wouldn't claim he has a higher security clearance than the president.

He isn't strong, since he only attacks people who can't defend themselves.

He isn't capable, because he's accomplished NOTHING in his term in congress.

He's not well-spoken, because every time he speaks publicly he gets caught either lying or being an idiot.

He's not experienced, because all he's done is get fired from the military.

And above all, the man has NO INTEGRITY, because he made himself a stain on the honor the uniform the second he abused a prisoner of war.

He'd make an atrocious vice president, because he's a disgusting human being and his lack of any conscience would only spread out into the country around him. Everything this idiot touches gets tainted by his lack of morality and integrity. He's a moron and a disgrace, and he has no business in government whatsoever, much less the vice presidency.

Livia, please buy a dictionary.

Allen West: an imbecile, weak, incompetent, incoherent, ignorant, experience all in military intelligence (an oxymoron). Integrity would be defined as the direct opposite of the idiot who claimed he had a higher security clearance than the President of the United States while he served as a mid level manager. Or to paraphrase someone important: "have you no honor."

For his comments on his fellow House members, he deserves immediate censure. Good luck with that VP thing.

toasty

Are you talking about Obama?

Sounds like Obama. You sure your not some right wing clever projection artist?

Wow, does that sound just like Obama.

Jon...why do liberals freak when someone of courage and honor calls out their heroes?

toasty is just a bored housewife trying her best to be cool! carrot top is just a shill for FR.... hope she gets paid well as why else would anyone spend their whole day posting radical leftist comments to a minor political blog?

I wouldn't call them card carrying communists but way too many congressmen and women are so far left that they can see Argentina from their backyards! lol!

I noticed that neither of you wanted to defend West. Interesting.

Silly little right wing trolls.

Yeah just keep running with that communist thing. That will be sure to win the fringe right more support.

Commie! Commie! Commie! Duuuuuuuurrrr!

Is that all you guys got? Hilarious.

Hmmmm, seems the Progresives don't like being called Communists. If you research the history of Progressive, liberal then back to Progressive you will find they are indeed for a Socialist society. Communist, Socialist, all the same failure of ideas. Kind of like the old Soviet Union, no wonder Putin likes Obama. Just like thier slogan "from each according to his ability. To each according to his need." Didn't work so well for them nor has it worked in North Korea etc etc. I think we should salute this courageous man for telling it like it is. After all it was the Democrats who shoved Obamacare down the throats of the American people when it was more than clear that the majority did not want it and thier claims of it cutting the deficit turned out to be the lie we knew it would.

Lie and take all they can from you to give to those that support them. Sure sounds communist to me.

"Shaking my head" All I can say is wow- you righties have really popped your corks. Please shake your head a little harder, I think I hear something rattling around in there. LOL

G-Man - but not much, right?

LOL. Well I know for sure they're not his marbles. They've been missing for quite a long time now. All those monsters in his closet are holding on to them and he's to scared to ask for them back.

I would say at least socialist, maybe communist

Lie and take all they can from you to give to those that support them. Sure sounds communist to me.

Lie and take all you can from taxpayers to give to those who support them. Sure sounds Republican to me!

I hear all the time how Democrats lie on this board. How about Republican lies? Well, err, umm, there aren't any!

"from each according to his ability. To each according to his need."

Ahhh, but the Republican credo: from each according to their ignorance, to each according to their ability to contribute to my campaign! That's a winner!

I think we should salute this courageous man for telling it like it is. You know what, this is still America! The people you and he are railing against are still duly elected representatives of American voters. If you truly believe what this man is saying, then you should move to one of the autocratic states in this world. What you are saying is that you don''t believe in the democratic process, that the voters are stupid, and that you should be allowed to choose who the hell is allowed to express the will of the people. You are definitely NOT an American!

Wonder what he was up to in the 1960's and 70's? Lot's of free love & drugs mayhap?

My money is on PTSD

Neither DRUGS or PTSD..

the guy is a CONSERVATIVE who has lived his entire LIFE on the PUBLIC DIME

he has no sense of value, morals or decency because there is NO ONE there to order him to have any .

What would you expect from a career non Com Warrior turned politician ?

Hell we're lucky he hasn't fragged the Congress !

Shaking - never has President Obama expected anyone to vote for him because of the way he looks!

Shaking...those who make a sincere attempt to be racially sensitive are still not afraid to call an idiot an idiot. Stupidity spans all of humanity, shaking, and is not limited to inbred white trash.

Mister Fids

And just when do you plan on putting your life on the line for your Country?

You're right...Obama is an idiot..and black.

@slodon

FWIW..... HONORABLY separated from the U.S.Army in DEC-72, 84C combat MoPic Photog.

I drove home with the one eye I had left .

thanks for asking.

MRWSR: When I read posts like yours I despair of any hope for the future of mankind. This is what the Right does best, impune the patriotism of anyone that dares disagree with them. This is a tried and true tactic of the Right and they never cease to wear it out.

Evidently you are either unaware of the McCarthyism era of the late Forties and Fifties or more likely, you are familiar with it and think it's wonderful. That man destroyed countless lives of truly great Americans, actors, authors and anyone who was capable of thinking for himself. It took the efforts of the greatest broadcase journalist of the 20th Century, Edward R. Murrow to do a devasting piece of coverage on him which finally buried him. That and a great deal of courage exhibited by Kirk Douglas, who hired screenwriters and actors who had been Blacklisted by McCarthy.

I live in a small town in Connecticut. One of our most celebrated citizens was the late, great author and playright, Arthur Miller. He wrote a play called "The Crucible" about this dark period in American history. If you had any brains, which you so clearly don't, you'd read it and educate yourself. Sadly, I'm sure you much prefer remaining an ignorant fool.

God help this country from the imbeciles that claim to love her.

MRWSR, the tried-and-true graduated income tax system that we've had for decades is the only "wealth distribution" that progressives are trying to preserve. The Republicans are trying to reverse that and will be screwing those who stand to suffer the most, and seem to least understand it.

Progressives don't believe that government is the solution to fix all, but it CAN be the solution for some things, while Republicans treat our government like it's an enemy. Since we are a government-of-the-people, that makes them enemies of the people. In any other time, they would be called anti-American, or anarchists.

If Republicans want a country where power and money trump the rule of government, they should try living in Somalia.

MRWSR - So if you are so confident that these democrats are Marxists(Communists), then does this mean that you agree that there is class warfare going between the rich and the poor? Because Marxism and socialism came from the Victorian era class warfare that not only created a communisitic approach to the problem but also created the unions in the west. They are two different views or solutions to the same problem.

Of the course the fascists from the right will say that anything that is liberal is communistic, but that is false, it is a lie they are perpetuating at the behest of Rove to convince their base that there is some kind of socialistic attack occurring in the US.

BOO! The evil liberal socialists are going to get you and steal all of your money. OOOOOOOOOH. Talk about being brainwashed.

MRWSR - my guess is you're from Florida too? Where do you loonies come from. If we're not lock-step (I believe they were Nazis) with the hatred of the far right we're communists? Seriously? You're not ashamed to make a stupid post like that? No, of course you aren't.

MRWSR.

TReed,

Thank you for the history lesson. Prove republicans are fascists. Because your buddies are proving our case everyday.

If TReed won't, I will. Did you read my post earlier regarding Prescott Bush (a Republican). By your own "guild by association" logic, since he was a fascist sympathizer during WWII and a Republican...therefore all Republicans are fascist sympathizers...see how that works?

No Doc,

Patton wanted to get rid of the ones in charge too. No one would tackle the communist problem. Both parties. Totally different time, you can not compare them.

MRWSR.

No Doc,

Patton wanted to get rid of the ones in charge too. No one would tackle the communist problem. Both parties. Totally different time, you can not compare them.

Patton was a great tactician and a driven general. He was also just slightly right of Genghis Khan. In fact he was so far right that had he not been indispensable at that point in the war, Eisenhower would have fired him. So I take it you are a faithful follower of "brother John Birch"?

By the way, you keep bringing up things being a different time. I find this curious. I know this is going to be difficult but try to follow this...there is no "communist problem". It was a straw man then and a straw man now...in fact, perpetuated by the same people...imagine that. Its even funded by the Koch brothers. You know, the family that funded the John Birch Society?

wlee-950886 - You know, I just don't remember President Obama calling former President Bush unpatriotic. Do you suppose you could post a link to that reference? Or is that statement just another right-wing drive-by shooting?

Because of Mark Foley (R)-FL...

many have assumed that ALL Republicans have a preference for young boys removed from their parents guidance OR that they ALL think that the stalls in mens rooms are for casual conversation & wide stances.... or that BHO WILL confiscate ALL our GUNS !

I'm waiting for Santorum & Palin to say that GOD TOLD THEM that BHO is not a Christian, seeing as how GOD tells them EVERYTHING ELSE !

(like when to quit office or running & go hide again)

INTREPID 1

Mc Carthy may have been looking too hard for what he feared. With the total disregard shown by this administration for our Constitution and even the President saying the Constitution is an impediment to what he wanted and promised to do. I think this is a whole different ball game. Then again a lot of those Mc Carethy went after were card carring Communists. Perhaps they just slid back into the woodwork to await a messiah to lead them!

Ol_Doc - don't hold your breath for that link since it soooo doesn't exist!

Shaking my head - and yet another right wing nutcase makes her "case."

Mister Fids

AMazing how nasty and vulgar liberals get when someone calls out thier henchmen.

The Republicans are not the party of drive by shootings. You should know that Ol Doc.

Ol Doc...

Sorry, I don't even know how to supply "links" but I can swear on my granddaughter's honor that I have seen the footage of Mr. Obama calling George Bush "unpatriotic" for allowing federal debt to rise half as much in Bush's eight years as it has in Mr. Obama's three years. I believe Mr. Obama was on one of his white-shirt-sleeves-rolled-up, finger-wagging spiels.

I'm sure it can be Googled or found on a list of something like 'The Hundred Things The President Has Said That He Doesn't Want Remembered'.

I'm sure you can easily find a "link".

Seeking...

"Soooo" sorry to inform you, but footage of Mr. Obama speaking "stupidly" ( as he phrases it ) and calling George Bush "unpatriotic" over the level of national debt "soooo" does exist.

Take the blinders off once in a while.

tony - now why doesn't it surprise any of us that you can't supply a link???

Seeking Sanity you tube it, can't miss it of course you'll have to take those blinders off first

wlee - if it's true, post it!

tony-268769

Seeking...

"Soooo" sorry to inform you, but footage of Mr. Obama speaking "stupidly" ( as he phrases it ) and calling George Bush "unpatriotic" over the level of national debt "soooo" does exist.

Take the blinders off once in a while.

Sorry Tony...perhaps YOU should take off the blinders! I saw the Youtube video. He states that what Bush did was "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic". There's a big difference between someone doing something that you consider unpatriotic and calling someone unpatriotic! But then you're Republicans...you're still fighting the Cold War.

Shaking my head-2479300

The Republicans are not the party of drive by shootings. You should know that Ol Doc.

True...Republicans get out of the car and chase them down first.

Ol_Doc - sadly true!

Ol Doc REALLY!!!! Time to go home

Ol-Doc - but apparently one in particular will be called on to explain that! Just announced charges!

Sorry to break your heart, tony...what Bush did WAS irresponsible and unpatriotic.

As a sitting member of Congress, what Mr. West did was also irresponsible and unpatriotic.

MRWSR - You needed some proof, okay. Here is a link of 14 characteristics of fascism, http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm. Enjoy, but I am sure you will attempt to discredit any associations.

INTREPID 1

You live in the town where Arthur Miller did??? He wrote a damn good book.

Let the Republicans come forth and become McCarthyites; they're just trying to hide their own fasicist ideologies.

Plus I'd love Allen to become the next McCarthy; in about a few years (or months), he'll be booted out of Congress.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Freese did you know that Macarthyy was proven right when the communists fell after Reagen. The KGB records proved that Macarthy was RIGHT. Ofcourse a idoit lib cant read or think for themselves

He is not the only one that see's this and understands the fundemental takeover and Government control that progressives are trying to reach.

Ah, but you know better, don't you? You are convinced that the voters shouldn't have the right that our Constitution gave them. I mean, the people you are railing against are duly elected by the voters, who are you to say they do not have the right? And by saying they do not have the right, are you not denying the Constitution and denying the American people their right as decreed by the Constitution to elect their own leaders?

Ahhh, but no, you know better! You should be allowed to choose who represents the people in spite of whomever they might have elected because you know better! Is that not complete and total denial of the principles our country was founded on?

EEngineer--I've followed some of your comments here and apparently studying engineering doesn't do much for understanding thoughts, even your own. I mean what are you saying? That somehow an idiot that manages to get elected is somehow protected from having his idiotic comments pointed out? What does that have to do with the Constitution? Are you saying he deserves more respect despite being an idiot? What principles are being violated? What are people supposed to take comments like yours for except knee jerk responses to try and justify something right wing and anti-progressive. Probably a waste of time to point this out to you. If you could see it, you already would have. Go calculate your brain wattage deficit.

Republicans and Democrats are known for their horse and white robe hangings. Who wins?

Ol_Doc...

That's quite a semantic stretch you've got there !

Seeking...

I'm just drifting in my own ignorance here...suffering because I can't spend the minute to provide you with a "link" to something that can be found on the internet for anyone who wants to see something that is absolutely true.

If anything, McCarthy was even more discredited after the fall of the Iron Curtain. Rep Wilson was known in the Army for making it up as he went along. His connection to verifiable factual information is tenuous at best.

Jody...

Floridians have a penchant for whackos...Allen Grayson ??? Frederica Wilson ??? That's a combo that should be running a three-legged race to political infamy.

Has to be the Disney influence !

Please...Please let West become the Mittsters running mate...PLEASE!

Ol_Doc - that WOULD be fun, wouldn't it???

SeekingSanity - Do you really understand just how fun that would be? First of all, the Mittster has to swing to the center to capture independents...that will be a mammoth undertaking and great fun to watch the gyrations. Then to have this strange...just to the right of Attila the Hun...member of the Tea Party Congress as his running mate. I can't even imagine the antics of that combination.

Ol_Doc - no "swing" is going to capture those of us registered Independents. We are smarter than to believe his "pulling the rabbit out of the hat" tricks. And, we will ALL remember the car elevator in his home. Just how out of touch with reality is this moron????

SeekingSanity - "How out of touch with reality is this moron?" I give you the author of RomneyCare attacking ObamaCare. By the way, do you know who proposed the "insurance mandate" back in 1989? ...wait for it ... The Heritage Foundation (a Communist think tank).

The GOP has gone so far to the right that I am personally surprised that there are Independents willing to vote for them. It seems as every day goes by the GOP heads further to the right and moderates become more entwined with the Democrats.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Once again, does anyone understand the principles of Communism? Do Communists participate ion elections? Do Communists allow the election of representatives of the people? Or is the state the final arbiter of all decisions?

I will only remind the idiot from Florida, who holds his office only because he was elected to it by a majority of voters (irony - can you spell that) that the people he is railing against were voted into office by a majority of free voters and THAT makes them the exact opposite of Communists!

Apparently not you, or you wouldn't confuse the Democratic Party with the CPUSA.

Please, please, please make this a55hole Romney's running mate! What better way to insure Obama's victory?

Yup---and Sarah Palin likes him, too!

panderers.

So, a person cannot have a more moderate view of politics? It is either one extreme or the other? Sad.

Voters?

Jody,

Just who are they pandering to?

Moderates, by definition, have no convictions and believe in nothing.

Blamo,

That's a pretty arrogant attitude, so I guess you believe they are the sheep? or just mind numbed robots?

Pretty darn revealing of radical opinion...

So, all this talk of trying to "court" the moderate or independent voter is unnecessary? Guess neither party wants or needs their vote. Hmmmm. Interesting.

Phine, if only all were in the middle, the extremist are holding the country hostage

The folks in the middle are known as their paycheck

panderers.

Jody,

OMG - you nailed it!

They have an ass full of splinters from all the fence riding they do!

You can count the number of true independents on First Read on one hand! ☺

They also tend to have an inflated sense of importance - genuine indy's don't have to advertise, their comments reflect their beliefs...

ROVE owns it... "compromise is capitulation" & "TRUTH is just another debate tool"

and THAT my fellow readers is EXTREMISM at it's most eloquent & elitist .

Old ploy, when you crap your pants, blame everyone else in the room for the stench

and it's the first refuge for "conservatives" who are really nothing more than EXTREMISTS calling everyone else one.

Feisty, an Independent is someone who can wade through the garbage of both parties and draw their own conclusions,aka rational, understanding, givers, mediators,open minded to all points of view.

Feisty,

To a radical liberal democrat, A moderate is a cow that only needs to come in from chewing their cud when you need the votes to get elected. Otherwise, they can go mindlessly wandering around in the corralled pasture you set up for them...

All collectivised in one little spot, stop producing, off to the renderers you go, because your no longer useful...

Feisty, an Independent is someone who can wade through the garbage of both parties and draw their own conclusions,aka rational, understanding, givers, mediators,open minded to all points of view.

Which certainly leaves you out in the cold! lol

It is kind of cute how you have appointed yourself judge & jury around here though... lmao

Like I said, inflated sense of importance - thanks for proving my observation!

Feisty, perhaps you can show me where exactly I'm the judge and jury. As far as self importance ,I believe you hold that crown. Your attempts at putting people down are quite boring, as far as proving observations go, I rest my case. When life has got you down, remember God loves you. Have a blessed day!

Feisty,

This statement,

Which certainly leaves you out in the cold! lol

is a judgment.

How does this fit with,

It is kind of cute how you have appointed yourself judge & jury around here...

He wasn't trying to prove anything, however,

this statement of yours,

Like I said, inflated sense of importance - thanks for proving my observation!

proves your own claim....

;-0)

The term I usually see dropped for moderates is, "Traitors!!!"

Wow, if you guys hate moderates so much I guess Neither Obama nor Romney will get any votes in the general. Anyone who thinks Pres. Obama is anywhere close to a lefty truly is a sheep.

Hey Chucky,

I don't know about sheep, I'm just a big old dumb cow.....

Nah, you're definitely a smart one Egilman. From what I've read, you don't see a lot of difference between Obama and Romney either.

As I said in the ISJC earlier today,

I would rather have Obama, a Republican House and a do nothing Senate for another four years than Willard in the oval office...

The Evil I know rather than the evil I don't....

A really sucky choice...

A really sucky choice...

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You got that right. It gives me hope for a Third Party breakout this year.

Well, if Dr Paul doesn't get the nomination, I for one will be writing him in as will my wife, mother-in-law, brothers and a few others I know....

I hope there are enough of us...

I am leaning more towards Bill the Cat, myself! LOL!

No, there won't be. Paul doesn't have an ice cube's chance of accomplishing anything in this primary race except providing much-needed comedy relief.

Soooo - is this Congressman saying that Reagan did not bring down the Soviet Union after all? ;-)

Really, what concerns me are the percentage of the Republicans who apparently belong to the ostensibly defunct Know-Nothing Party. I thought that went out in 1855. "I know nothing!" - it sure has a different meaning today!

Did you know obama has run up the most debt?

The real problem is the right wing has NO clue what communist means. Here's a clue it's nothing like what the congressman or you think it is.

By the definition of the right every country in the Europe is communist and half of the countries in South America since most of them have goverment health coverage and goverment support of business.

See how stupid that sounds?

I agree. You sound very stupid.

cgtrav,

But Congress does... (or at least did in '63)

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record -- Appendix, pp. A34-A35 (January 10, 1963)

Current Communist Goals, EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES (Thursday, January 10, 19763)

[Excerpt From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Egilman

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record -- Appendix, pp. A34-A35 (January 10, 1963)

In case you didn't notice, it's 2012, not 1963. Red baiting is kind of out of date. And Red baiters like the "Hon." A. S. Herlong, Jr. from that era also claimed desegregation and civil rights for blacks were part of the vast International Communist Conspiracy. Since the Hon. congressman was from Florida, he was certainly a segregationist. He wouldn't have approved of someone of Alan West's race being allowed to stay in a Florida motel, let alone being allowed to sit in Congress.

Egilman -

It looks like they've met about 75% of those goals.

Too bad the progressives are so brainwashed as to not see the truth of what you have there.

Egilman - you DO KNOW that just because you post a long, rambling post it doesn't make your argument any more intelligent don't you? It's still just stupid rhetoric!

Tammy - another right wing nutcase heard from! There is NO truth there but you are too blind to see how totally stupid your comment is.

Really rick...know many military officers?