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Subscribe to RSSA tale of two different strategies: Obama is running against the GOP, while Romney is running against Obama… How Obama and Romney can counter these strategies… Why Romney might want Santorum to exit the race -- now… Gillespie joins Team Romney… Politicizing the courts: Everyone is to blame… And how Justice Kennedy could play Solomon.
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Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney addresses a luncheon hosted by Newspaper Association of America and American Society of News Editors during the MediaXchange conference April 4, 2012 in Washington, DC.
*** A tale of two different strategies: So what we did make of the back-to-back speeches by President Obama and Mitt Romney before newspaper editors in DC? The two men appear to have two very different strategies as we transition to the general election. Obama, as we wrote yesterday, is running against the Republican Party and its brand (see the Ryan budget), and wants to tie Romney to them. “This congressional Republican budget is something different altogether. It is a Trojan Horse,” he said. “Disguised as deficit reduction plans, it is really an attempt to impose a radical vision on our country.” Romney, meanwhile, is campaigning directly against the president -- against his record and against him personally. “[Obama] does not want to share his real plans before the election, either with the public or with the press… He is intent on hiding. You and I will have to do the seeking.” So Obama wants to make the general election a referendum on the Republican Party, while Romney wants to make it about Obama. That’s maybe why Romney mentioned Obama’s name or “Obamacare” 22 times in his speech, according to NBC’s Morgan Parmet. By comparison, Obama mentioned Romney’s name just once.
Related: Romney, GOP must remember lessons from 2008 veepstakes
*** How Obama and Romney can counter these strategies: To combat these attacks, both candidates have work to do. For Obama, he has to make the case that things are getting better (all eyes will be on Friday’s job numbers) and that he deserves another four years in office. For Romney, as we mentioned yesterday, he either has to distance himself -- at least somewhat -- from the GOP, or he has to work to repair the party’s brand. Political strategist Matthew Dowd offers some additional advice to Romney. “Right now you … seem to have adopted three key attacks: that Obama is out of touch, out of the mainstream and can't be trusted. Funny thing is, Obama is saying the same thing about you. You need to settle on one message, as does the president, and be disciplined about it. But because you're vulnerable on each of these attacks, you might also consider some other strategy.”
*** Why Romney might want Santorum to exit -- now: In his Q&A with the newspaper editors yesterday, Romney expressed his desire for the GOP primary season to come to an end -- ASAP. "I hope that we're able to resolve our nomination process as soon as possible,” he said. And this is now Romney’s immediate challenge: How does he convince Rick Santorum to get out, preferably before the April 24 Pennsylvania primary? Consider: If Santorum remains in the race, and if Romney wants to win Pennsylvania, Team Romney is going to have to go negative (as we saw in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin), and that will only drive up Romney’s own negatives, as well as make it harder to unify the party for the general. But if the Romney campaign doesn’t go negative, it’s very possible to see how Santorum ends up winning in Pennsylvania -- and possibly some of the later contests in May (North Carolina, Arkansas, Kentucky, and Texas). And for Romney, having the inevitable nominee lose primary races is never a good thing. Given these two scenarios, convincing Santorum to get out now is probably their preferred. But how do they achieve that? By the way, Santorum is off the trail for the next FIVE days for the holidays…
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd talks about the growing pressure on Rick Santorum to leave the Republican race.
*** Gillespie joins Team Romney: Meanwhile, the Romney campaign is beginning to staff up for the general election. NBC’s Garrett Haake confirms that the campaign is bringing in former RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie as a senior adviser to help with strategy. As Politico’s Martin writes, “Gillespie will be a sort of strategist without portfolio to the likely GOP presidential nominee, offering counsel on planning for the Tampa convention, the candidate’s message and a general election strategy for a campaign that is already moving beyond the primary.” By the way, Gillespie had served with the Karl Rove-backed American Crossroads, and Crossroads tells First Read that he has suspended his role with that organization. Even by following the letter of the law, it’s just more evidence of the thin line separating the campaigns from the Super PACs that aren’t supposed to be coordinating with each other.
*** On the trail, per NBC’s Adam Perez: Romney remains in Pennsylvania, hosting a meet-and-greet in Harrisburg and attending an energy event in Tunkhannock… Gingrich stumps in Delaware, making stops in Greenwood, Magnolia, and Millsboro… And Paul hosts a town hall event at UC Berkeley in California.
*** Politicizing the courts -- everyone’s to blame: So what do we make of the furious back-and-forth over the Supreme Court? Everyone is to blame here. President Obama contributed to it by referring to the fact that the court was “unelected.” (And he probably realized it when he seemed to walk back his criticism the next day.) Supreme Court Justice Scalia contributed it when he talked more about politics and process than the law during the oral arguments, even adopting Tea Party talking points. And this 5th Circuit Judge, Jerry Smith (appointed by Reagan), contributed to it when he demanded the Justice Department to explain if it believes the courts have the right to strike down laws. (Many Supreme Court experts “expressed surprise at Smith's overtly political rebuke of the president,” Yahoo writes.) But it’s also nothing new that the courts have been politicized. After all, we’re not sure we saw too many Republicans criticize Newt Gingrich last December, when he said that the 9th Circuit should be abolished and that U.S. marshals could bring judges before Congress to explain unpopular decisions. But does “tit-for-tat” make it right? That’s the question for everyone this week who has contributed to this cynical political analysis about the court.
*** If Justice Kennedy wanted to play Solomon: Speaking of the Supreme Court, the New Republic’s Jonathan Cohn raises an intriguing theory: There’s a way to strike down the health-care mandate but keep the penalty for not getting insurance in place. “Joey Fishkin, an assistant professor of law at the University of Texas, proposed this option over the weekend. Writing at Balkinization,* Fishkin notes that the mandate to obtain insurance and the penalty for violating it are actually two separate sections in the Affordable Care Act. The mandate, known as the “minimum coverage requirement,” is Section 5000A(a). The penalty, known as the "shared responsibility payment," is Section 5000A(b).”
*** On “Meet the Press” this Sunday: NBC’s David Gregory hosts a general-election preview with a debate between Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) and Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin (D). The program also has a special Easter Sunday discussion on faith and politics.
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Mitt Romney’s fooling himself about women
He thinks his "real views" will woo them, but nobody trusts a guy who'll say whatever it takes to get what he wants
By Joan Walsh
Everyone practices a little bit of self-delusion, every once in a while, when it comes to the opposite sex. But Mitt Romney and the folks around him are living in a dream world when it comes to women. Clearly female voters are just not that into Romney – and his troubles get worse by the day.
It’s not that Romney’s backers don’t see the problem. Former Maryland Gov. Bob Ehrlich counsels patience: Women will warm to Romney once they know his “real views” on the issues. This comes just after Ann Romney quipped, “I guess we better unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out.” Note to Romney team: Having “supporters” continue to suggest that we don’t yet know Romney’s “real views,” with or without Etch A Sketch metaphors (or icky zipper imagery), isn’t helping your guy, with anyone.
Female Romney surrogates like South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley and New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte are specifically trying to minimize the role the damaging birth control battle will play among women in November. “Women don’t care about contraception,” Haley insisted, a little bit delusionally, on Tuesday, while Ayotte insisted Romney will be fine in November because “women voters very much care about the state of the economy.”
Let me concede something to Romney’s defenders: His troubles with women aren’t mainly about contraception. They’re mainly about Romney.
The latest Gallup poll shows how bad things have gotten for the former Massachusetts moderate. He now trails President Obama in 12 swing states, largely because of the defection of independent women. Female independents now back Obama 51 to 37 percent – and that’s a 19-point swing just since the end of 2011, when they preferred Romney. But here’s a little data point for Haley: Only two in 10 independent women polled by Gallup even knew Romney’s stance on contraception. Those who did disagreed with Romney 2-1. More independent women – four in 10 – knew Obama’s contraception position, and they were divided about evenly. Still, 60 percent didn’t know either candidate’s stance. That suggests contraception matters, but it’s not the only thing driving independent women away from Romney and the GOP. But that’s not good news for Republicans, either.
Ayotte is right: Women care about the economy. And that’s hurting Romney in two ways. First, the economy is getting better, which always helps the incumbent, with both genders. But also, women have been more reliable Democratic voters since the age of Ronald Reagan largely because they support safety net programs and they dislike candidates who pledge to eviscerate them. Paul Ryan’s budget, which Romney thinks is “marvelous,” shreds the safety net into lint, and it will turn off at least as many women as the GOP’s contraception policies.
Bob Ehrlich may be correct; women might like Romney better if they knew his “real views.” If he has any. The man who once supported abortion rights because a relative died of a botched illegal abortion, whose wife gave money to Planned Parenthood, and who signed Massachusetts’ innovative universal healthcare plan might well have fought Obama among women voters. But that guy is long gone. In his place is a man who will say virtually anything to get elected. Women know that guy, and they don’t like him. I’m not sure what Ann Romney sees when she “unzips” her husband, but the man who’s running for president is a turn-off.
Of course Ann Romney’s defense of her husband, opens up all kinds of questions about him, as one wit put it, when unzipped, does he have a floppy drive or a hard drive!
Either way this guy is so inauthentic he makes most women squirm. And his poll numbers reflect this, at the present time, with women voters in swing states there is an 18 point difference between him and the President. He is also way behind with Latino voters, even if these numbers drop for him, he is still going to need at least one of them to win.
Today’s WSJ has a Hillaryous article about the effects of the Solyndra debacle. The Treasury Dept released an audit yesterday that includes the following revealing gem about how badly Barry’s Energy Dept bungled this thing:
But, the funniest part is that the Barry admin’s Solyndra bungling may end up shipping some of those wonderful “green jobs” overseas!!!!!!
Another Barry green darling company, Fisker Automotive, may be about to give up on its plans to build a hybrid-electric car factory in “Gaffe” Biden’s home state and move it overseas because of delays in getting its loan approved.
You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried!!!!!!!!
Solyndra Fallout Stalls Energy Loans
The Energy Department was in such a rush three years ago to issue a loan to solar-panel maker Solyndra LLC that it gave the Treasury Department only a day to review the deal, according to a government report released Wednesday.
Today, the situation is the opposite, industry officials say: The department is putting loans through such exacting reviews that some renewable-energy funds look as if they never will be disbursed.
The issue came into focus Tuesday when the new chief executive of Fisker Automotive Inc. said the company would consider giving up on a hybrid-electric car factory in Delaware and building it overseas if it can't secure its financing.
Until recently, the cornerstone of that financing was to come from a $529 million loan by the Energy Department. Vice President Joe Biden visited the site—a closed General Motors Co. plant—in October 2009 when the deal was approved and touted it as a part of a strengthening of American manufacturing.
The department froze loan disbursements last May after Fisker missed a performance milestone, and the two sides have been negotiating since. Fisker now is seeking new partners. It announced $392 million in new financing earlier this week and Chief Executive Tom LaSorda said that if an overseas investor emerges, the factory could move abroad.
Excellent post Gingerbread Mamma!
For those who might of missed this little 'gem';
Bold added for emphasis
If women aren't being exposed to Willard's real views now...
Then what is it he's been feeding us? lol
"The president came here yesterday and railed against arguments no one is making, and criticized policies no one is proposing. It's one of his favorite strategies — setting up a straw man to distract us from his record."
Good grief Mitt, has that guy been hanging out on this board? The leftist goons do that around here all the time.
"We know what Barack Obama's vision of America is. We've all lived it these last three years."
That's right Mitt, and the most radical vision of the country any sane person could think of would be another four years of this crap.
"President Obama's exchange with the Russian president raises all sorts of serious questions. What exactly does President Obama intend to do differently once he's no longer accountable to the voters? Why does flexibility with foreign leaders require less accountability to the American people? And on what other issues will he state his true position only after the election is over?"
Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks for asking, Mitt.
Thanks for sharing this interesting article, GingerBread Mamma. Women are concerned about the economy and especially about job security. Electing someone to manage the economy whose claim to fame is outsourcing jobs can't appeal to women.
Gingerbread Mamma:
Outstanding post. Good way to start a Thursday morning.
Dennis: This is great information. well done.
Way to go Gingerbread Mamma. GREAT!
Poor Mitzi ! He keeps telling us how smart he is. But yet he cant stop offending the biggest voting blocks .
Thanks Ron and Feisty, I strongly, believe that women will hold the key to this coming election. The record of the conservatives on women's issues has seriously damaged their party, they have never had a good record on women's rights, however, their recent actions around the country has blown the doors off any significant support they may have expected.
I thought this was a story about Obama's NAFTA comments. You remember when he blamed the Clinton Administration (Democratic circular firing squad?) and promised to pull out of NAFTA if the terms were not renegotiated.
But.....
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/11/obama_reverses_campaign_pledge_to_renegotiate
Next he'll be saying he'll close Gitmo (without admitting that the same thing happens in an expanded base at Bagrham).
And what about the one where insurance will be soooooooo reasonable that "forcing people to buy insurance" will not be necessary?
Gingerbread Mamma,
I couldn't agree more!
Another problem for Willard & the right is, women don't ever forget..
Ginger Bread,
Thanks for the post and the article.
Romney is not running as a moderate past GOP governor of MA. He is running as the guy with a business plan that was honed in Bain Capital. He made money for himself and the investors. He never really ran any company though good times and bad that made things or produced a service .
I have not seen any distancing by him from the GOP's agenda on the state level who are systemacly strip mining womens right to heathcare decisions between her and her doctor.
He has embraced the Ryan budget, and has flip flopped on heath care and various foreign policy issues.
He tries to relate to the common middle class voter but comes across as an elite who is unfamiliar with the everyday concerns of families.
Amen Sister Feisty! The sisterhood of women is a powerful force, a force to be reckoned. For someone such as Ann Romney, who has led a very sheltered and privileged life, she will never change most women's minds about her husband.
Busy day, no time to play.
Obama in 2012.
However much the media might like to help him along, Obama will not be allowed to lie, set up straw man argument, or intimidate those who oppose him.
That in clues the SCOTUS, by the way.
Romney, rightly, seized on Obama's admission that he plans to be "flexible" with wildly unpopular policies after the election. Some months ago, questions were raised about his plans should he, heaven forfend, gain a second term. Obama is strangely silent on the subject.
The media asks no questions. That's what "faith based" campaign coverage gets you.
If we take a look at the things he has done in his first term- obamacare, the recent killing of the coal based fuel industry, (read a paper- he actually followed through on his proposal to make coal based energy plants so prohibitively expensive they cannot be built), Dollars to Donors, and a foreign policy based on appeasement- you shiver to think what he will attempt to ram through when he no longer has to face the voters.
Well, Romney will bring up the unpleasant, (for Obama), topic, and the voters will, certainly, ask themselves the question.
As to the lies and straw men arguments? I don't for a minute question Romney's ability or willingness to debunk and topple them.
Obama's attempt to intimidate the Court? I'm fairly certain will blow up in his face. He just does not understand that no one with a brain- which would be the majority- wants this disaster. Nor does he understand that judges have an issue with some politician calling into question their Constitutionally guaranteed role.
Someone, (I confess I don't remember who), called this the "week Obama jumped the shark".
I agree.
Obama shelved in 2012.
mamma -- great job on the cut and paste. you do it so well.
It's not that Romney thinks his "real views" will woo them. It's that he thinks he's gods gift to women.
Your right about Ann Romney Gingerbread Mamma. She's been in Mitt's harem most of her life.
Morning Fiesty!
You raise an excellent point. What has Mittens been feeding us? Is it possible we won't see his "real views" until AFTER the primaries because he knows they would be so unpopular as to ruin his chances at getting in the General Election?
The man is the devil.
GBM & Feisty -- Excellent posts. GO GIRLS! We most definitely will rock the vote.
Oh Yeah, pay no attention to Bill lately. He's just having a "radical" moment.
Gotta go. BBL
I think Romney is doomed, I don't think you can win a general election if you can't win a majority of women's votes, blacks votes, and Latino votes, I don't think there are enough votes left for Romney. Then when and not if, he changes his tune to woo these groups he depresses the hardcore republican base. If democrats simply make sure they get out the vote Romney can't get enough electoral votes to win, republican Governors and republican legislators have mucked up most of the swing states he needs, and there is no serious excitement at the prospect of Romney as president, not even from republicans. As the Ryan plan is dissected and explained in detail old white people will bail out in droves. The hardcore republican chants of ABO will be sad and desperate with the electorate in the general, Romney will fade like a figure on a shaken etch o sketch.
Northstar thank you. Because of the way he made his money, firing people, ruining people's lives by closing up their livelihoods, and leaving them with few if any options, he is uncomfortable not only with himself but in associating with the common man. Most people can sense that, they know he is just pandering to them.
Anyone who has a shred of decency and empathy within them will put a distance between him and their vote, and I believe most people are decent and empathize with their fellow man.
DCIA......Girl Power!!!!! thanks
A dear friend of mine shared this with me (l@@king at you Gingerbread Mamma)!
PS: GM - didn't the NJ nut job claim to have you on ignore? weird... lol
Santorum and Gingrich are emblematic of the Tea Party:
A far left blogger doesn't like Romney. Go figure.
The loony left continues to get more loony. Hey guys, don't hyperventilate. Wait, on second thought, go right ahead, it's fun to watch.
Hiya Bryan!
I think you are being to kind! ;o)
By the way, I am still waiting for Willard to give an interview outside of Fox... maybe an appearance on MTP?
I wonder what he's waiting for? lol
It is good to see you back on board!
Trust things are well with the family...? Don't you have a couple of birthday's coming up?
I could be wrong, but wasn't Romney AHEAD with women just a few weks ago? If so, isn't it a little premature to gloat and celebrate and claim that Obama has the "Gyno-American vote" sewn up? All it proves is what we men have known all our lives; that women can't make up their minds about hardly anything.
RWers are already slamming the jobs and unemployment numbers as being doctored. Such a sad expose on the state of their politics. Can't wait to see their take of the increase in auto sales. And what's with Romney's use of the Kid Rock song as his theme? I thought the Kid was a Detroit man?
Anyway, let's do hope the women in this country Remember in November and send Mitt packin'.
There was an 18 point swing which indicates the girls have picked out the shoes they will buy, and it won't be a pair of white republican loafers.
Thanks for the post Gingerbread Mamma. It brings to mind the lyrics from Fleetwood Mac's Tell me lies. Lie enough, and a woman will eventually stop trusting a man. Romney is there.
How many girls/women have heard the BS line from guys, "If you REALLY loved me, you'd.........."? Romney is there.
Top that with the words of wisdom from his wife, who basically said - Don't worry, he may be lying today, but you can trust him tomorrow.
There are only two kinds of people who will vote for Romney: 1. The stupid, 2. The insane.
Fiesty,
The girls turned 1 this past sunday. After a year watching them grow it is amazing how different their personalities are. But they are both as beautiful if not more as the day they were born.
You're right. I am being very kind to Mittens. The man is incredibly delusional if he thinks he'll win over the hearts of women voters. He does not come off as someone who cares for anyone other than himself. I can't wait for the President to clean his clock in the debates. Especially as we watch jobs and the economy imporve despite the climate of obstruction that has enveloped Washington the past 4 years.
Now that is catchy.
Remember in November. Vote Obama/Biden 2012.
Bill, Fairfax VA
I doubt Mitt is hanging out here, but YOU clearly are aping Romney's own technique of projection -- accusing your opponent of what you are guilty of. Mitt is the man who lied about President Obama wanting "equal outcomes" rather than "equal opportunity." Mitt is the one who got a Pants-On-Fire award from lying about Obama "apologizing" for America, a total fiction cooked up in the wingnut-o-sphere. So Mitt is the man who keeps setting up strawman arguments and then knocks them down. Then he projects his own dishonesty onto the president.
I'll bet you didn't even notice that Mitt failed to mention one single Republican position Obama actually criticized and explained why it was a straw man and not truly a Republican policy. Did you Bill? Little details like actual facts don't matter when you can just endlessly repeat some boilerplate nonsense that sounds good to the mouth breathers that make up the Republican base.
David,
In other words Fox Viewers?
Only a fool thinks there is ANY difference between Mittens Romney and Barack Obummers. They both have the same corporate sponsors because they both have the same policies.
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss."
David Walker:
Actually there's a third critical voting block that will likely back Romney: the misinformed. And with all the super-PAC money backed by Mitt's wealthy sugar daddies, the votes of the misinformed could swing the election Mitt's way. Candidates are usually reluctant to put their names on ads that are stinking lies, but the super PAC ads don't have to say who's behind them, so they can sling mud without restraint and without any of the mud getting splattered on the people slinging it.
Lots of people don't follow politics very closely, and they just soak up bits and pieces of what they hear on TV and radio commercials by osmosis. And what they're likely to hear as we get close to November is a deafening crescendo of lies, lies, lies, drowning out all attempts to set the record straight.
Gingerbread Mamma. Great job, thanks for sharing the article; your added thoughts were priceless! Joan Walsh is right. The GOP began turning women away with Ronald Reagan. I know because it was Reagan's shift to anti-choice, the implied anti-women's rights, his massive tax cuts (mostly for the wealthy) and spend anyway, his pitting one segment of the population against another--just to name a few things--that drove me out of the republican party. The media and pundits talk about Reagan democrats but when they do, they never discuss the repubicans who became democrats because of Reagan--mostly women.
Damn, I thought you were talking about Obama again.
And that doesn't even count the number of people who lost jobs because of closed dealerships.
And in other news....
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/gm-offshore-outsourcing-us-jobs
I can see Bain offering this young Vulture Capitalist, Obama, a job in 2013.
Damage123
... All it proves is what we men have known all our lives; that women can't make up their minds about hardly anything.
This Damage guy represents a large portion of the modern GOP. Racist (look at the avatar) anti-woman (look at his post). Sorry Mr Damage, the world has left you behind.
Must be a lonely feeling, not much left to cling to except your hatred.
AWWW!!! Seems like only yesterday!
All the best to you & your beautiful family! Enjoy, they grow up way too fast!
Great post Gingerbreadmama
I agree the key is women. Romney has lost the key. He can send his wife to unzip him to no avail. The problem is they have lost the access to his memory.
Yes , Rob-mey is a comparable to a hard drive and floppy disk. Everyone has spoken about his robotic nature.
His wife does not need to unzip his file since Rob-mey is a nervous "Chatter Box" she'll only get an "error" message.
Obama/Biden 2012
Bet on women we are 51% of the population
Gingerbread - You neglected to tell people that Joan Walsh is an editor for Salon, a far left wing outfit. And she is a bigot. Her little Mormon joke got her in hot water but at least she apologized for it. Her opinion pieces are trash as far as I'm concerned. But the left wing just loves her type so go ahead and keep spewing the crap, your freinds here admire you for it.
On the presidents speech on Tuesday
And what is the President's alternative if he allows Medicare and Medicaid to eat up the budget and crush discretionary spending?
And not once does he mention the 40 cents in the dollar being borrowed to keep National Parks open? Not once does propose a policy to move 2 million mothers off of government assistance, just wants to perpetuate dependency. Not once does he propose educational opportunities for all so that Head-Start is no longer needed.
Yes, lets keep 2 million mothers and children receiving government hand outs, with no plan to move them to self-sufficiency. Yes, lets keep borrowing our children's future so that we can go to a National Park.
Mr President, we're running out of money and spending 40% more than we take in. It's time to cut something.
As-salam alaykum, my main Muslim Brother, Damage123!
And a Ni hao to my lady in grey, Sarah-3043284 when she comes along.
I am down with my posters who have a sense of humor and can roll with the First Read insults flung at them from the foam heads of the opposing sides.
Now, let me just say this to my Muslim Republican Brothers...it does NOT help to stereotype the ladies in an arguement when you are trying to get them to your side. May I now say to my Commie Democratic Comrades, it too does not help the cause when you keep ranting about men.
I know its not really the First Read way. But I thought I'd just mention that in the middle of the Muslim/Commie war. I mean, can't we just pick on ideology, anyway, instead of gender?
Oh yeah Gingerbreadmama great cut and paste from one of the most liberal leftwing bloggers going. You can trust everything Joan Walsh has to say, wink wink. Obama has no record to run on or he would. This will be a very close election, and although Obama will do his best to run from his record, he cannot hide from it.
If Obama gets re-elected, women will end up the most disgruntled as the result of his policies. Wait until the recent mammogram studies give Obama's unelected health rationing board the power to cut current screening levels to save on the cost of healthcare.
Why do you suppose they picked 2014 to implement the bulk of ObamaCare? Well quite simply, because in 2014 Obama will no longer have to pretend to care. Can't wait to hear that collective whoops from all you lefties who today praise the most radical ideologue ever to occupy the White House.
"We Can Do It".....(Whatever the hell that means). My avatar is "racist?" LOL!!!!!! So an unflattering picture of Obama making a ridiculous face is now "racist?" It's a friggin' picture of the guy!!!! Was the photographer racist who took the pic? Maybe Obama was racist for making that stupid-ass face when someone was snapping a pic. Ever think of that?
Actually, you're one of those people who thinks that ANY and ALL criticism or ridicule of Obama is "racist" because, as a liberal you've been trained to think that way. I'm sorry. Your race card has been declined. Would you like to try another? If I had an avatar of Obama depicted as a monkey (like the pix liberals often had of Bush as an avatar), then maybe you would have a point. But you don't. You're just another mindless lib.
As for "anti-women"....The ancient joke of saying that women can't make up their minds about anything goes back at least as far as WC Fields. Heard of him? He was a comedian. You know, like Bill Maher is when he says Sarah Palin is a c*nt.
Damage...you are aptly named. Re-read what you just posted. Your attitude exemplifies the far right. Were you being "cute" or do you actually believe American women appreciate being referred to as "Gyno-Americans"?
2012 - Your fate is sealed by your own hand
GB Mama,...
Excellent as always - and just in case anyone missed this gem from the New York Times - David Javerbaum:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/opinion/sunday/a-quantum-theory-of-mitt-romney.html
"...But the Romney candidacy represents literally a quantum leap forward. It is governed by rules that are bizarre and appear to go against everyday experience and common sense. To be honest, even people like Mr. Fehrnstrom who are experts in Mitt Romney’s reality, or “Romneality,” seem bewildered by its implications; and any person who tells you he or she truly “understands” Mitt Romney is either lying or a corporation....
What does all this bode for the general election? By this point it won’t surprise you to learn the answer is, “We don’t know.” Because according to the latest theories, the “Mitt Romney” who seems poised to be the Republican nominee is but one of countless Mitt Romneys, each occupying his own cosmos, each supporting a different platform, each being compared to a different beloved children’s toy but all of them equally real, all of them equally valid and all of them running for president at the same time, in their own alternative Romnealities, somewhere in the vast Romniverse.
And all of them losing to Barack Obama."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The entire article is funny in an awkward painful way. Those who support what they THINK Romney supports are an even GREATER example of Intellectual Dishonesty. The deal is - None of them can say with ANY certitude exactly how Romney feels about anything. They are literally pinching their nose and 'hoping' for the best.
I'm afraid that dog just won't HUNT! (nor will it ride on the top of the car)!
Wow, the conservatives are flustered because there was a quote from outside their sphere. You're going to dismiss an opinion simply because it isn't yours?
fielden
Just like the left dismisses FOX?
Romney's "real views". Don't think there's such thing at all! Even Romney himself isn't real! How could anything real come out of something that isn't real? Right wingers, if you hold your breaths waiting for the real Mitt Romney to surface, you may never see november 2012, because there isn't such thing!
It's simply amazing that the right wing nuts are putting some virtual phony candidate up against the real solid president Obama. It's simply an insult in all aspects, especially to the right wing nuts themselves!
Hey Derek! I'm busy eating testicles on the vine about VP prospects, lol.
Damage,
I can't seem to make up my mind about which article I should post about. Can you help me??? (Hair twirl, head tilt, eye cross, pouting lips).
The reason that Romney is flip flop man is because of one major problem,he has to get elected by the Republican and their Tea Party drivers . They are run by their far right wing of their conservatives. When he finally gets elected by them (likely), he then has to convince the majority of the electorate that he is truly a liberal /far right winger.It is a ridiculous and unbelievable position. I do think that his position is untenable which, as a Liberal Democrat I believe , I think and hope ,that the voting majority will reject this person.
Romney was already rejected by republicans once, and there is not anything new and improved about him, he lost to the team that lost to Obama in an electoral landslide.
Heheheh.... Right on, Feisty! Especially the ones that look like ELEPHANTS!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
CBS News Poll analysis by the CBS News Polling
Unit: Sarah Dutton, Jennifer De Pinto, Fred Backus and Anthony Salvanto.
(CBS News) President Obama's approval rating has
hit the lowest level ever in CBS News polling, according to the latest CBS
News/New York Times survey. The drop may be partially attributable to rising
gas prices.
Just 41 percent of Americans approve of the job
Mr. Obama is doing as president, according to the poll, conducted from March 7
to 11. Another 47 percent disapprove of his performance, up from 41 percent
last month.
Mr. Obama's approval rating was 50 percent last month.
The average U.S. price of a gallon of gasoline has jumped 12
cents over the past two weeks. The poll found that most Americans,
54 percent, believe gas prices are something a president can do a lot about.
Americans have historically felt that a president can control gas prices,
though experts attribute changes to a variety of factors, many outside of a
president's control. They also felt this way when gas prices spiked during the
administration of former President George W. Bush.
Attacks from the Republicans running
to replace Mr. Obama may be having an impact on his approval rating as well.
His disapproval rating has risen to 89 percent among Republicans (from 82
percent last month), and more independents now disapprove of his job
performance than approve. Though Mr. Obama's approval rating among Democrats remains
high, it has dropped seven points - from 85 percent last month to 78 percent
today.
Of the four remaining GOP candidates, former
House Speaker Newt Gingrich has hit Mr. Obama particularly hard on high gas
prices, promising on the campaign trail to bring down
the price to $2.50.
Jim Ritterbusch, president of oil trading
advisory firm, told CBS News there are no quick fixes.
"It's become somewhat of a political
football," Ritterbusch said. "But none of the candidates or the
current president can flip a switch and drive gas prices down to $3 a
gallon."
Mr. Obama's job rating on the economy remains
about the same as it was last month - 39 percent approve, while 54 percent disapprove.
The economy and jobs remains the most important problem facing the country
today, according to 51 percent of Americans. Three in four Americans think the
economy is at least somewhat bad, including 30 percent who say it is very bad.
More Americans, 30 percent, say the economy is getting better; 24 percent say
it is getting worse. The public's economic outlook was slightly better last
month, when 34 percent said the economy was getting better. Just 20 percent of
Americans feel their family's financial situation is better today than it was
four years ago. Another 37 percent say it is worse, and 43 percent say it is
about the same.While his rating on the economy is about the same as last month,
Mr. Obama's rating on foreign policy has dropped 10 points. Now, just 40
percent approve of his handling of foreign policy, while 41 percent disapprove.
This is the first time since the killing of Osama bin Laden in May 2011 that
more Americans disapprove than approve of the job Mr. Obama is doing handling
foreign policy.
Amid speculation that Israel may consider
attacking Iran to stop its nuclear ambitions, Americans are split on the
president's handling of the situation in Iran: 42 percent approve, while nearly
as many - 39 percent - disapprove. Nineteen percent don't know.
CBS Radio News' Rob Mank contributed to this
report. Read the
complete poll (PDF)
Search the
CBS News poll database
This poll was conducted by telephone from March 7-11,
2012 among 1009 adults nationwide
CBS News Poll analysis by the CBS News Polling Unit: Sarah Dutton, Jennifer De Pinto, Fred Backus and Anthony Salvanto.
(CBS News) President Obama's approval rating has hit the lowest level ever in CBS News polling, according to the latest CBS News/New York Times survey. The drop may be partially attributable to rising gas prices.
Just 41 percent of Americans approve of the job Mr. Obama is doing as president, according to the poll, conducted from March 7 to 11. Another 47 percent disapprove of his performance, up from 41 percent last month.
Mr. Obama's approval rating was 50 percent last month. The average U.S. price of a gallon of gasoline has jumped 12 cents over the past two weeks. The poll found that most Americans, 54 percent, believe gas prices are something a president can do a lot about. Americans have historically felt that a president can control gas prices, though experts attribute changes to a variety of factors, many outside of a president's control. They also felt this way when gas prices spiked during the administration of former President George W. Bush.
Attacks from the Republicans running to replace Mr. Obama may be having an impact on his approval rating as well. His disapproval rating has risen to 89 percent among Republicans (from 82 percent last month), and more independents now disapprove of his job performance than approve. Though Mr. Obama's approval rating among Democrats remains high, it has dropped seven points - from 85 percent last month to 78 percent today.
Of the four remaining GOP candidates, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has hit Mr. Obama particularly hard on high gas prices, promising on the campaign trail to bring down the price to $2.50.
Jim Ritterbusch, president of oil trading advisory firm, told CBS News there are no quick fixes.
"It's become somewhat of a political football," Ritterbusch said. "But none of the candidates or the current president can flip a switch and drive gas prices down to $3 a gallon."
Mr. Obama's job rating on the economy remains about the same as it was last month - 39 percent approve, while 54 percent disapprove. The economy and jobs remains the most important problem facing the country today, according to 51 percent of Americans. Three in four Americans think the economy is at least somewhat bad, including 30 percent who say it is very bad. More Americans, 30 percent, say the economy is getting better; 24 percent say it is getting worse. The public's economic outlook was slightly better last month, when 34 percent said the economy was getting better. Just 20 percent of Americans feel their family's financial situation is better today than it was four years ago. Another 37 percent say it is worse, and 43 percent say it is about the same.While his rating on the economy is about the same as last month, Mr. Obama's rating on foreign policy has dropped 10 points. Now, just 40 percent approve of his handling of foreign policy, while 41 percent disapprove. This is the first time since the killing of Osama bin Laden in May 2011 that more Americans disapprove than approve of the job Mr. Obama is doing handling foreign policy.
Amid speculation that Israel may consider attacking Iran to stop its nuclear ambitions, Americans are split on the president's handling of the situation in Iran: 42 percent approve, while nearly as many - 39 percent - disapprove. Nineteen percent don't know.
CBS Radio News' Rob Mank contributed to this report. Read the complete poll (PDF)
Search the CBS News poll database
This poll was conducted by telephone from March 7-11, 2012 among 1009 adults nationwide
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid a Nevada Democrat, called a new CBS News and New York Times survey finding that 80 percent of Americans are not better off financially than they were four years ago “so meaningless.” Reid said he does not “believe in” the polls results................LOL
JH,
There's a difference. Fox presents its opinions as facts. I have no problem with someone's differing opinion. It's when you interchange the definition of opinon with truth that I get a bit flustered.
Seeing as I'm a woman, that means I swoon, right Damage?
MSNBC duped: Network runs satirical fake news from Daily Kos as a real story
If you’ve ever tuned into to MSNBC weekdays between 11 a.m. and noon ET, you are likely to have seen at least one segment focused on a LGBT issue moderated by host Thomas Roberts. But sometimes, Roberts and company might be trying a little too hard to push these issues to the forefront.
On his Wednesday broadcast, Roberts reported that technology juggernauts Apple and Microsoft were “marrying up” and taking on same-sex marriage opponent the National Organization for Marriage.
“In the meantime, get this,” Roberts said. “Tech rivals Apple and Microsoft are marrying up and asking the National Organization for Marriage its supporters to boycott their companies. This follows the release of secret documents last week showing part of the organization’s strategy to quote ‘drive a wedge’ between blacks and gays on the issue of marriage equality.”
Only one problem: They’re not “marrying up,” at least for now. The report was apparently based on a “satirical post” published on the dayly kos on Monday by Scott Wooledge. The post was later republished by The Huffington Post’s comedy section and was presented as satire.
“NOTE: This piece is satirical. All quotations are fabrications for the purpose of satire,” the piece read.
This isn’t the first time Roberts and the show’s staff have fallen victim to less-than-factual information put out in the liberal blogosphere. Last December, Roberts relied on a blog post from the “progressive site” Americablog to tie a campaign ad for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney to the Ku Klux Klan. Roberts later apologized for the error...........LOL
Obama is down in the polls and Romney is even lower, you need a better guy to win not worse.
I couldn't care less what Romney thinks about birth control. I do care that Obama wants to tell me what coverages I have to buy on my health insurance policy. Up yours Obama! You are sticking your nose where it does not belong. This women would never consider voting for you.
Romney 2012!!!!!!!!!!
I believe that only black women will vote for Obama unlike the last election when he won this segment by a wide margin. Obama has been found out: he is incompetent, arrogant and a bully.
Hmm, wasn't aware I was black.
No you are not black. You fall in another category: humans without a brain.
Oh Anony, you're so funny, you really got me with that one. Of course it isn't what I would call "original".
I mean, isn't that the GOP/TP's stance on ALL women???
Can we come up with something that at least makes me laugh, brainless is so tired. Come one, give it another shot.
How about pinko, moron, slut, that way we can shorten it to PMS??? Get it, PMS??? That will go great with the rights obsession with female anatomy.
PMS, Punish My Spouse!
Come on FR and other reporters, you can do better than this. Rachel Maddow has been spot on for a long time now, about the Karl Rove "I'm rubber, you're glue strategery."
If folks don't remember what Dubya/Rove did to Ann Richards, I'm sure they remember what they did to John Kerry -- Paint your opponent as having your flaw first before they can attack you. Dubya evaded the draft so falsely attacked a decorated vet, now known as Swift-Boating. There was no honor in it, and was a most vile thing to do. Unfortunately it worked (well and having a brother as governor in Florida and having a right-leaning SCOTUS rule against the popular vote).
So fast forward to the present and full knowledge of the Rove/GOP playbook of dirty tricks, and good ole Romney thinks he can use this tactic for 2012. Two problems with it: 1) Romney has so many flaws that he has to accuse the president non-stop; and 2) Romney is pitiful at using the tactic, not just overuse, but it only works if there appears to be at least some grain of truth to it.
Romney is such an idiot he can't even use the playbook properly. He's pissing into the wind. Who want's a POTUS with GOPee-soaked pants?
The difference between the campaigns is the president will NOT be Swift-Boated, so comes out immediately and strongly with the truth. Romney has some 'splainin' to do as to why he is a better candidate, without the "I'm rubber, you're glue" attacks. Romney doesn't have a reason why he should be POTUS and never will.
Obama/Biden - 2012!
Sarah: I was not kidding.
I believe that Rush Limbaugh is a fat white pig with a mouth that is not synchronized to his brain.
By inference, I think you are not thinking straight. I do support your gay union. I just don't want to call it marriage.
If you were looking for comedy, switch to FOX News or MSNBC.
Sarah,
The left's stance on women is so tired. Foodstamps and abortions are "women's rights". Birth control pills are "women's health care". So, if you are a woman who has no control of your body and cannot take care of yourself, Democrat is for you. And by the way, if you "have a vagina" and vote Republican, you are called a moron.
The left exploits women and people who they put into minority groups. That is how they get idiots to vote for them. Say the phrase "Republican war on women" over and over without anything to back it up and the mindless females will buy it.
Hmmm, I also wasn't aware that I'm gay. Or married. As I've said before, maybe that explains my piss poor record with men. Be honest, is it the short hair?
Second, what the hell are you talking about??? Were you being sarcastic about the brainless thing??? If so, this is the internet, sarcasm if not totally obvious, needs to sometimes be highlighted so folks pick up on it.
But than, what about your original post?
Ugh, you're making what I do have of a brain hurt.
Say the term government mandated, transvaginal ultrasound, over and over, and you'll know where WE are coming from.
123ang: Don't forget: If a woman does not vote for Obama, then they are racist. In fact, anyone who does not vote for Obama is racist.
Sarah! Sarah!
What happened to you at the institution? Why are you so paranoid?
Sarah,
I see your fans are out in force today!!! HA!! PMS-- LMAO!!
I would say a Vaginal probe and making a women watch ultrasounds is the definition of exploitation. How come nobody complains about Viagra being covered how about a probe up the pecker so the father can watch his little sperm, how come he does not have to be present and view the ultrasound, what about his responsibility, or would that be too embarrassing or invasive. Why does he get to walk away, where is his responsibility in this crusade against abortion, and birth control?
TX,
Aren't they always. Aren't they always.
I still don't get Anony. Le sigh, my feeble, female brain is too slow.
Sarah: I was hoping that you would come to your senses and realize that Party politics is destroying the country. Look at the nut jobs on the Left and Right. Obama has polarized this nation. Obama is incompetent. Obama is worse than George Bush -- and he was pretty bad. Obama had no experience that prepared him for the Presidency.
Romney is the first candidate I've seen, since Bill Clinton, that has to intelligence, character and vision to lead our great nation.
"Say the term government mandated, transvaginal ultrasound, over and over, and you'll know where WE are coming from"
Thanks for leaving out the reason for the ultrasound. Its not as if women are being dragged off the street for random ultrasounds. I don't understand how you can get a surgical abortion without involving your vagina for starters. Second, I've had about a dozen ultrasounds and none involved my vagina....just gel and a wand on the tummy. Heaven forbid a woman should see the fact that her fetus may actually look like a human child before she has it sucked out and disposed of rather than a clump of cells. Why is the left so afraid of women seeing what is developing inside of them before killing it? Have you seen a 12 week sonogram? I have and it looks just like a baby.
Well Fiesty according to his wife I think we will have to wait until we"unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out."
I'm a Republican and I stand confused.........(standing here holding my Etch-O-Sketch)
JH lots of #s and others, yes Joan Walsh is the editor for Salon. com...yes, it is a left leaning or straight up left if you prefer and yes it is her opinion and I happen to agree with her as do many others not just here but on the website too. So-o-o?, as your hero Cheyney would ask. You seriously didn't think I would post a piece spouting some right wing lies and drivel, did you? However, the facts contained in the poll numbers sustain that opinion. And that's what we on the left deal in facts. The fact is you have an abysmal potential nominee for President representing a party that is so out of touch with what ordinary Americans are living like, nothing will make it better. As your last vainglorious VP nominee so succinctly put it, you cant put lipstick on a pig.
Romney has character all right, there are about a thousand characters in him so far.
Isn't Romney's strategy just to confuse everyone with his ever-changing stance on everything? "If it's NY I must think this way - oh wait, it's New Mexico - my bad!" Does Romney have any real kind of strategy except to just make sure he attains something his father didn't. Does he even have a clue what the President does or that he actually HAS to live in the White House? Does he know he can't add an elevator for the car to the White House? That could be a deal-breaker!
By already standing for everything Romney now stands for nothing.
Yes Sarah I have noticed that and have been meaning to talk to you about that very subject!!! (rolls eyes) Well you are a black, married, gay woman. Right?
When next we debate, I won't use your words against you though....!! You do believe me right??? ; )
Sarah; I was on the other thread about the veep selection.good for laughs carry on you little nut muncher I for 1 am enjoying it.
Here's a big difference in their strategies that will occur:
Obama simply can't run on his first term record, so he'll have to lie about it. All Romney has to do, however, is to point out all the abject failures of Obama's term that the lamestream media tries to hide from the public.
A tale of two different strategies: Obama is running against the GOP, while Romney is running against Obama.
As a Republican on most things, I actually think that this speaks volumes. And it brings me to two thoughts.
1. IS this the best we have????
2. Romney is trying too hard to be like Obama while attacking Obama. He just does not have the charisma that the President has. He needs to be Mitt Romney and show us what and who he really is..............OR has he?? Which scares me.
spider-737231:
Unfortunately, there is a lot of buyers for what the media is selling - on both sides.
Romney has to stay on message.
Ever changing stance, now that is something to laugh about. You mean like Obama who voted for oil subsidies as a senator and now rails against them? Or when Obama voted against the debt ceiling increase as a senator and now claims not doing so is holding the nation hostage? Obama and hypocrisy is like the Energizer Bunny, it just keeps going and going and...
The problem with Obama is that he has one vision for this country, and he will do or say anything to make it happen. Obama simply has too many faces to keep count. When Obama tells any group like women, blacks, Hispanics, alternate lifestyle, or countries like Israel or in Europe that he has their backs, it is time to seek cover.
Romney will do what he always does; he will, lie, lie and lie again. Ever since I first saw then Senator Obama I have watched to see if he would be a liar like most Republican politicians are. I have been amazed, he was honest before he was President and ever since he's been President. There must be a rule in the GOP playbook that says "when in doubt lie" and Romney follows that rule like it's gospel.
President Obama deals in facts and does not vanish the truth with SPIN. Romney on the other hand is the most dishonest politician I've ever seen. I will never understand why ANY voter would support a person like Romney who's incapable of telling the truth. Americans need a President that will be honest with them and fortunatly we already have one his name is President Barack Obama..... Honesty matters!
Anony Mous1 - intelligent women voted for Obama in 2008 and will do so again in 2012 for many reasons but mainly because he is the best person running. He is intelligent and has proved he wants what is best for this country. He is genuine and cares about people. So, clearly he is heads above the candidates that ran in 2008 McCain/Palin (seriously?) and Romney/whoever in 2012 (again seriously)? Perhaps you need to figure out why you continue to vote for people who have no integrity, ethics or intelligence!
You cannot seriously say - with a straight face - that President Obama has divided and polarized the US! The hatred and ignorance of the far right is what has divided this country. The "we will do whatever it takes to make sure President Obama is a one term President" - to hell with the country - is what has polarize the US. People like you who just don't get it are who are polarizing the country. Your lack of integrity and intelligence is staggering!
Probably the only 2 things that ever came out of Obama's mouth that I liked were
1) If you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it
2) ineffective teachers will find a new line of work
I am not using direct quotes, but I heard those 2 ideas from him over and over. Both were lies.
SeekingSanity: I now realized what a mistake voting for Obama was/is. Unfortunately, you are not honest with yourself because you are unable to make the same assessment.
123,
You may have a point, just as soon as you can provide credible, scientific evidence, widely accepted by the majority of the scientific and medical community and meeting our legal standards of when HUMANITY begins. And why is it that the right thinks we don't already understand the implications of an abortion???
Pssst, I can type in bold too. Does it give my post any additional credence?
Anonny,
Actually, Obama has let us liberal, feminist, fetus eating, nut munchers (I love it cooch, thanks!) down quite a bit because he HASN'T been an idealogue. I'm not so sure it's him that's fueling this uber-partisan set up we've got going.
I blame it more on the 24 hour news cycle and people fulfilling their need to be "included", if you will. Oh, and money in politics.
TX,
Lol, feel free to refer to me as PMS, the black, lesbian, married chick, from now on.
Anony Mous1 - you are no one to be telling me to be honest about anything since all you spout are lies. I am very honest about the person I want leading this country and it certainly is not the buffoons running the GOP. Romney couldn't tell the truth if it was emblazoned on his forehead. He will say whatever he thinks people like you (who clearly believe anything) want to hear. After all, he has no plans to do anything for anyone and he certainly doesn't plan to lead this country. His one goal in winning is to top what his father accomplished. I pity people with limited intelligence like you who cannot see that. You are the one who is not honest - in any way!
Sarah - nice one!
Sarah: This is where you come to rebel eh! When you grow up, then you might make more sense.
SeekingInsanity: You are an Intelligent White Independent Woman who deserves to vote for Obama. Good-luck!
Anony,
There you go, being all original and unique again. Grow up, brainless, come on, this is America, we're supposed to be creative.
And what, no intelligent response to my reasons for our partisan government/society?
Anyone that claims to not want to vote for anyone who will say whatever needs to be said to get elected can no way vote for Obama. All he does is badmouth the opponent and no way will suggest anything to help.
Seeking Sanity, ,when did you ever hear Obama being truthful ?
Sanity is not to vote for a person who in desperation is attacking the Supreme court lowering their status because they are not elected officials, ignoring his lessons about Constitution in a prestigious Ivy League college. Sanity is not to vote for a person that believe increasing the production of more oil in America won't make any difference in the market. Sanity is not to vote for a person that in our back, offer to the Russians unilaterally dismantle our nuclear arsenal in his second term, because he don't have to worry about reelection. Sanity is not to vote for a person that give money to companies in bankruptcy only because that fit his green agenda. Sanity is not to vote for a person that do not care about divide our country for political ambitions.
ANYBODY BUT OBAMA
Good luck with that spider. Your party self-destructed during the primary and you are all too blind to see it. This is what happens when you allow a fanatical group to take control of your party.
2012 - your fate is sealed...by your own hand!
As always - seeking sanity from anyone in the GOP but none to be found as is evidenced by Anony Mous, Fred and Oskar. Not a brain among the group!
Wow seeking sanity, what a factual and incisive rebuttal! Lols.
Say, anybody see anything in the news about Ron Paul?
2 days ago he spoke in front of TEN THOUSAND PEOPLE at UC Chico.
Last night he spoke in front of ELEVEN THOUSAND PEOPLE at UCLA. Filled up the entire Tennis center.
Tonight he will be speaking in front of TEN THOUSAND PLUS at UC Berkely.
Other republicans would be spit on in these places.
While Ron Paul spoke to 10k plus, Romney was speaking to 30 people. Santorum was speaking to 50 people. Gingrich was filing bankruptcy.
The mainstream media STILL talks about them, and ignores Ron Paul.
True liberals support Ron Paul, and end to the patriot act and the ndaa, and most importantly, an end to the wars.
Check out the footage from UCLA last night. Awesome!
Ron Paul Revolution!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qxvqZYh97g
Slick Mitt is just another idiot from the right pandering to his base. This guy is one of the most flip-flopping candidates in the world, and his numerous gaffes will hurt him come November. Who can forget "I like to fire people" and "I don't care about the poor??" And his support of the elitist Ryan Budget will deny the GOP the senior vote for years to come.
Alil, you do know that Facebook and Twitter have seen Ron Paul slide down, right?? And no offense, but not too many liberals (including this one) will EVER vote for another small-government politician, even if he is sincere.
As for you, no joe, you do know that thanks to the polarized political climate in Washington, Obama has practically no flexibility in international matters. After the election, he can do what he needs. And how can Romney hit hard on Obama's "hidden agenda" without admitting that America has yet to know the real Mitt Romney???? This guy is a perfect flip-flopper; the Mitt we see in the morning change in the afternoon. We don't even know his real position on things; we know what Obama supports and disapproves of. Mitt is an enigma.
I have yet to see any evidence of Obama being a crony capitalist, so we can forget that. And how has Obama been an appeaser??? By talking with our foes instead of taunting them??? By using more peaceful methods of coercion than sending in the F-18s??? By avoiding the use of arms unless necessary??? How the hell is that appeasement??? You do realize that there was a time when America talked with its enemies, like with the Soviets and the North Koreans. We got the ball rolling and saved countless lives. And besides, after having a trigger-happy cowboy in office for the past 8 years, I'd take a more mild commander-in-chief any day. America is now more respected in the world today than we were with Bush. Why? Because we aren't as willing to invade another nation. Because we aren't walking about the world with swagger, giving one-digit salutes to friend and foe alike. We now talk with our allies and try to make peace with our enemies. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't; that's diplomacy. And as for Israel, I am tired of picking up after their @!$%#. I am not anti-Israel, but it's time we stop kissing their ass and start treating them like adults; they have to know that they will be responsible for their actions, and that they owe the United States big time for what we've given them. You and your buddies on the right may call that appeasement, but I call that common sense. Go ahead and live in your right-wing fantasy world; come November, that fantasy will be your only refuge against four more years of Hope and Change. Seek the truth, for the truth shall set you free.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
DEMOCRATS 2012
GOP EXTINCT 2012
That's ok Freshiee, I don't expect you FAKE liberals to understand.
You guys are like a woman who stays with her man even though he is always slapping her around.
Alil-
Obama isn't perfect. I think I know that. He left out a public option for Obamacare, didn't raise taxes, didn't appoint a lot of justices to lower courts, etc. The list goes on. But the things I admire him for go much farther than the list of things I wish he did.
Oh, and you are telling us about sticking with someone. What about you and all your Ron Paul blustering??? You stick with him no matter what even though you know in your heart that he is being impractical. There is NO way that he would ever be elected, and even if he was he'd never get any of his plans passed. He'd need 60 diehard libertarian senators and a similar majority in the House, and last time I checked not too many are running. It has occurred to me that Ron Paul supporters back him no matter what, so stop being a hypocrite.
And do you really think that our nation can survive without things like entitlements, safety nets, regulations, otherwise known as a big government?? Ron Paul would destroy this nation's economy if he got to implement his ideas. America needs a bold vision for the 21st century, not the 19th century.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Ron Paul is my candidate for VERY practical reasons.
He WILL repeal the NDAA and the patriot act.
He WILL enforce our immigration laws.
He WILL bring the troops home NOW.
SS? He's not going to be able to get that passed, we all know it.
Abortion? He wants to leave it up to the states. Unless Roe v Wade gets overturned, not happening. Besides, he's as much as he is against abortion, he is also against the government intruding into a womans personal choices. That's a big distinction from say, Santorum.
And yes, I think it's time America gets back to being a nation of freedoms and personal responsibility.
I love my Union, but I love my country more.
Obama has us all on the path to collapse. Can't you see it?
We will be like Greece soon. We have already exceeded 100% of our GDP in spending. That's a critical mark on the road to collapse.
We can cut now, while we have some control over it....
Or we can be held hostage by our creditors, like Greece is now.
The mainstream media is blacking out Ron Paul. 10k weds night in Chico, not a newsworthy event. Romney spoke to 30 people, reporters were there from every network. 11K last night in UCLA. Not covered in the news. Santorum spoke to 50 people, all the networks had reporters there.
13k tonight.... AT UC BERKLEY!!! That's Obamas base, by the way.
No news reports about it. None.
Don't believe the lies you are being told. Ron Paul is in this thing. Only Romney has more delegates. And many of us have had to hide the fact that we are Ron Paul supporters to avoid being "purged" by the state party officials. If Romney doesn't lock it up before the convention, we have as good a shot as he does of winning in Tampa.
Say Freshiee.... you have a 401k? Investments? Retirement savings? Heck, even checking.
Our unsound currency will see to it that any growth you see is eaten away by the devaluing of our currency. If you save 33% of your income in savings over the next ten years, you will have just as much saved as you do today, in value.
Check it out..... It's on purpose!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/06/the-federal-reserves-explicit-goal-devalue-the-dollar-33/
In his speech to 8500 at UC Berkeley tonight, Ron Paul said he would save medicare by bringing the troops home. WIN - WIN!!!!
If you can't get behind that, your "liberalism" is totally FAKE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDAo-V9GBrc&feature=share
Listen to The Man!!!!
Damage123
that women can't make up their minds about anything goes back at least as far as WC Fields. Heard of him?
Poor Damage. He does not even see, that he is making the point, that he has been left behind.
"Ancient joke?" Don't you realize, we don't tell Polish jokes anymore. We don't tell black, or Irish, or women's jokes anymore. It is bigotry.
Maybe you minimize it as "political correctness" and brush it aside.
But, because you brush it aside, you are left behind. Because the world has moved forward, all you have left, is the archaic dogma of a generation lost.
The latest USA Today/Gallup poll of 12 swing states shows Mitt Romney losing support among independent voters. Romney has dropped 10 points among independents since the fall, while President Obama is up by nearly the same amount. Independent women in particular prefer Obama to Romney by a wide margin.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/independents-are-abandoning-romney-or-not/2012/04/04/gIQAT3UHwS_blog.html
Weekly first time claims for unemployment are down another 6,000 and for the 6th week in a row the 4 week average is at a 4 year low going back to April 2008.
This following yesterday’s news from ADP that employers added another 209,000 jobs in March.
Looking forward to the BLS report tomorrow and hoping many more Americans have found work.
I'm looking forward to how the tea people Koch republicans will spin these good jobs numbers today and tomorrow.
And in other news awaiting RWer spin, a recent report shows CEO pay this year up 16% on average while the average worker's pay is up 3%.
Must be because of the good jobs and unemployment numbers eh? Trickle down maybe? Trickle down to be spun as tinkle down?
Hate to see the spread if the economy was doing great.
x
44 years ago yesterday in Memphis, Tennessee Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated. He was in Memphis to support striking Sanitation Workers in their bid for Economic Justice when he was taken from this world way to soon.
Because he knew one central truth. There can be no Justice without Economic Justice
Sadly since the day of Dr. King we have slipped back a little. Poverty has risen from 13%to 15%. Pay of the top 1% has increased 400% while pay of the 99% has actually lost ground.
To say that this has had a deleterious effect on our Society would be a gross understatement.
Mr. Ryan who has the "marvelous" support of Mr. Romney has for two years put forth a budget and a vision for an America as it existed at the turn of the previous century.
Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney apparently do not understand why We the People don't want to go back there. So let me make this just as succinct as possible.
Why would we want to go back to something we died to get out of?
Dr. King was one of the casualty's.
Speaking for myself I say not only no but a resounding Hell No.
I'll let Dr. King speak for himself.
"Philanthropy is commendable, but it must not cause the philanthropist to overlook the circumstances of economic injustice which make philanthropy necessary."
~Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness."
~Martin Luther King, Jr.
"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom."
~Martin Luther King, Jr.
The labor movement was the principal force that transformed misery and despair into hope and progress. Out of its bold struggles, economic and social reform gave birth to unemployment insurance, old-age pensions, government relief for the destitute and, above all, new wage levels that meant not mere survival but a tolerable life. The captains of industry did not lead this transformation; they resisted it until they were overcome. When in the thirties the wave of union organization crested over the nation, it carried to secure shores not only itself but the whole society
~Martin Luther King, Jr.
History is a great teacher. Not everyone knows that the labor movement did not diminish the strength of the nation but enlarged it. By raising the living standards of millions, labor miraculously created a market for industry and lifted the whole nation to undreamed of levels of production. Those who attack labor forget these simple truths, but history remembers them
~Martin Luther King, Jr.
In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as 'right to work'…Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining by which unions have improved wages and working conditions of everyone.…Wherever these laws have been passed, wages are lower, job opportunities are fewer and there are no civil rights
~Martin Luther King, Jr.
Dr. King, in Memphis:
You are demanding that this city will respect the dignity of labor. So often we overlook the work and the significance of those who are not in professional jobs, of those who are not in the so-called big jobs. But let me say to you tonight that whenever you are engaged in work that serves humanity and is for the building of humanity, it has dignity and it has worth. You are reminding not only Memphis but you are reminding the nation that it is a crime for people who live in this rich nation and receive starvation wages.
What a sad anniversary, IR. Thanks for the reminder. I think had Dr. King lived he would have become an even more powerful voice for working people of all races.
IR- You forgot to mention a few other things.
1) Almost 75% of Black babies are born to single mothers, dooming them to almost certain lives of poverty, drugs/alcohol, prison and lives of crime.
2) The leading cause of death for young Black males is MURDER by other Black males (not Latino er, um White neighborhood watch captains).
3) Nearly EVERY place in every city where there is a street named after MLK, that's where all the violence is.
No doubt, MLK is spinning in his grave. And he can't be too happy with his imbecilic protoge' , Jesse "Baby Daddy" Jackson either.
Yesterday, in his "Clear the Air' segment, the wonderful Martin Bashir wrote in a tribute to MLK's memory:
It’s now time to clear the air and it was on this day back in 1968 that one of the greatest men that ever lived, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was shot and killed in Memphis.
Dr. King was in Memphis that day not to be entertained by the elite, nor to be garlanded by politicians or the church hierarchy, but to stand alongside garbage workers who were on strike.
It’s perhaps fitting that the anniversary of his death should occur, this year, during Holy Week, as many of us reflect upon the Passion of Christ and the meaning of faith in a modern world.
There has been, and there will be, plenty of talk about faith as we head toward the presidential election. But the trouble is that much of this talk will be self-serving as opposed to our service to God and our fellow person.
In his now famous letter from Birmingham jail, Dr. King expressed serious concerns with the church of the 1960s. “The contemporary church,” he wrote, “is often a weak, ineffectual voice with an uncertain sound. If the church of today does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early church, it will lose its authentic ring, forfeit the loyalty of millions and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club.”
The letter was written almost 50 years ago, but in the latest edition of Newsweek Magazine, here’s what the journalist Andrew Sullivan writes, “Christianity itself is in crisis. It seems no accident to me that many Christians now embrace materialist self-help rather than self-denial.”
Fifty years and now much has changed.
Thanks GBM. Having trouble with my net connection this morning but you'll carry on without me.
IR, thank you for reminding us about this day. Excellent.
Gingerbread Mamma, excellent addition to IR's post. MLK's warnings about the church seem to have come true.
It also made me think about Bobby Kennedy's courage amid the chaos and his wonderful, calming speech which prevented violence from erupting in one city.
Having trouble with FR posting myself this morning. The gremlins are creating havoc.
IR -- Good afternoon. Nice post friend.
Who is this Damage guy with his nonsense about black people? did you know whites are more likely to be pedophiles, serial killers, commit hate crimes, alcoholics and beat their wives?
I dont have anything to back any of that up but i think you can see my point of
how stupid you sound
LostMan123 - "damage" is aptly named as he/she was clearly damaged at birth. And, these rantings today are relatively sane - sad to say. Actually "demented" might be a better name than damage.
Yes Jody GM Rocks actually so do you, IR, Feisty, DW, Job One and too many more to mention. Just wish that Damaged and others like him would go else where to spew their hate.
Dennis, Good Morning, I see we are on the same page with voter numbers. Assuming he becomes the nominee, he has a big problem with any of these groups.
That's great news on the economy, it more or less reinforces what I see every day, busy stores, restaurants, and many new vehicles on the road.
The car sales numbers reported earlier this week were also good---people are willing to take on a car payment if they feel secure in a job to pay for it.
Was driving through a section of town this week that was hit hard in the recession and noticed several new businesses opening. We were looking at real estate and noticed that prices are up significantly in the last two years. All good signs of recovery. Why would we switch back to the people who got our economy in a mess in the first place?
So right SF, and it may not be something a lot of people know, but most of the Bush Administration's advisers are now advising Romney, sort of a shadowy kitchen cabinet. So we know where their advice and thinking took us for eight years, and hell no, I don't want to go back to that.
It’s really something in how the radical right bozos go after President Obama and accuse him of being the most divisive President in history. They go as far as saying, “he has created wars on blacks, wars on women, wars on religion, wars on the rich.” Come on clowns, you know that you are the folks that have created the so called wars.
It all boils down to the fact that your base is loaded with so many low information voters that will believe any crap you feed them and the never bother to fact check a thing.
Let’s face the truth, in the fact that our President has been unjustly attacked since before he took office with so many mistruths that it makes you head spend. And you people know it.
So the next time you say that the President is “a nasty partisan attack full of untruths and unworthy of a national leader,” then you better look in the mirror at yourselves, and stop your FAKE OUTRAGE.
In looking back, our President has been taking this right wing crap, and we the base are so darn glad that he is hitting back and hitting back hard.
So remember, the Republicans-radical right crowd has been throwing this crap at the President for years, and Flip Romney and his base had better put their big boy and big girl pants on and stop the crying, because things are going to get rough.
Job1,
In honor of opening day here for the Cubbie's - you have hit a home run with your comment!
On the class warfare thingy - I prefer how the President handles it (paraphrasing);
Job 1....great post!! You nailed it.
Feisty you know the tea people Koch republicans don't need no stinken math, they've got their lies.
Mo,
They don't want no stinken 'edijucation' either... ;o)
Wow Job 1 - you really had me scared there about Obama "hitting back and hitting hard." I guess if I was CEO of the country and my record sucked as bad as BO's I'd "hit back" too. When are you going to just accept the fact that his record blows? He's a typical EEO professor with no practical experience- everything looks good in theory or a textbook but he can't execute a dang thing. Job1 I think YOU would make a better president...
JuiceIsNasty,
Please explain WHAT about the President's record...ehem..."blows".
I'll give you a couple of days to consult with your handlers and get back to me.
Job1, terrific post. The right-wingers are having hissy fits over President Obama's response to a question about ACA and SCOTUS yet they were silent when Newt Gingrich said he would eliminate one court entirely because he didn't like their decisions and send marshalls to arrest any judges who disagreed with him. No Texas Judge made a stink over that comment. They were silent when President Bush 43 gave a speech railing against the Supreme Court. Talk about hypocrisy.
Job1:
What you describe is straight from Rove's Rules for Reactionaries". It's straight from Chapter one - "Pandering and Projection".
The "War on Blacks? The vast majority of voters - that includes Republicans - know damned good and well, that a great deal of the hatred directed at President Obama is because of the color of his skin.
The "War on Women? Well of course. Carrying a rapist's child to term, denying a woman access to health care by killing Planned Parenthood, forcible rape with a foreign object - that's the sort of stuff that's bound to warm a woman's heart. All this comes courtesy of the right-wing crazies.
The "War on Religion"? A substantial majority of Americans are self-identified as Christian, and an even larger percentage self-identify as Christians in the Republican Party. Yet somehow, a minority of the citizenry in the U.S. is conducting a full-scale War on Religion, and unbelievably, according to the religious folks, the minority is decimating the majority. Holy Repression! Is God on the side of the godless?
The "War on the Rich"? Of course there's a war on the rich. That must be why they continue to get richer year after year after year. I'll bet most folks would be very happy to be fighting that war. You get attacked and you get richer.
And the right wing eats this crap up. They love their dogma food.
He hits like a girl. He can't hit back. He has nothing to swing besides rehtoric.
Keep following your false prophet.
Job1 -- Nice post!
David -- Well said!
rukidding47 --
Are you kidding???? Just so you know: A President is a human being. No more, no less. Some are more extraordinary than others is all.
Yes Job1, they have called him EVERYTHING, but a child of God. Literally and figuratively!!!...from anti-christ to crackhead.
These Republican religious right "christians" will vote for a Mormon (Mormonism is in the cult section of every Christian bookstore) over this African American Democrat Potus who is a professed Christian as well....and they don't see the HYPOCRISY? As they beat people over the head with the Bible and Jesus, saying this being the most important influencer of their vote, YET we see its their Politics OVER Christianity. Their priorities are very clear. Their allegiance is very clear. The pretense is over and the masks are off. GOP has "unzipped" the fake Christianity cloak and the real GOP has stepped out.
Mind-boggling what HATE will do!
Juice, our country is not a business and our President is not a CEO. You might want to take some classes on government.
Dumb FUX -- Had a chance to see the very beginning of the Cubs game. I am surprised that you have not started a thread on the outrageous behavior of the home plate umpire.
he had the audacity to show his religion on his sleeve when he crossed himself before the first pitch.
is this a religious zealot? did santorum hire him? is the fix in?
Bryan E - Google his Sh7t record for yourself you lazy azz. Typical liberal, have someone else spoon feed to you. Nice profile pic by the way...where was that taken Gaysrus?
Handjobover Phist - That's the problem - our country should be run like a business so we stop going into so much debt and balance the damn budget. But then again, bankruptcy or downgraded credit isn't so bad right? Dang you libs are pathetic...free money! It grows on trees! Yay!
juiceisgood - and your stupidity is showing. The agency that downgraded the US said they did so because they didn't think the obstructionists in congress would work with Obama. He is not to blame for idiots you elected! But, clearly you are as stupid as the majority of the GOP. You are pathetic and moronic! Stupidity abounds in your world. Still seeking sanity in the GOP but none can be found and people like you are the reason.
Actually, Job1, I wish we had a war on the rich. That implies that the rest of us are fighting instead of allowing ourselves to be slaughtered. For the past 30 years of trickle-down economics, all its been is a massacre. The top fifth (including the 1 %) controlled approximately 44.1% of the income in America in 1980; now they control 93%. The top 1% alone controls 43%. Ever since we adopted trickle-down economics, we've become the laughingstock of the world. Personally, this situation, known as the Great Divergence, reminds me of the plot in the Hunger Games, where the rich control most of the wealth and the poor just scrape by. I say let's put a 20-year moratorium on all tax cuts, reform the tax code, repeal the Bush tax cuts, reform entitlements, and create a single-payer system. That would eliminate the deficit and deal with a major problem in our society. Then we take some of the savings and invest it in clean energy, research and development, education, and infrastructure.
"Game’s over, dude, it’s over. This isn’t the scene in the sports drama where the coach gives the inspiring speech and then the team comes back to win the playoff. This is the scene in the sports drama where Hillary Swank hits her head on a stool and never boxes again."
- Jon Stewart's advice to Rick Santorum on The Daily Show last night
How sad that Mitt Romney wants Santorum out of the race in Pennsylvania because to win it he would have to go negative in ads against Santorum. In other words, Mitt can't go out and present a positive image of himself that will earn votes from Pennsylvanians; he can only win by saying dropping money in negative ads.
I have just one comment lets see how obama does on civility the campain.
lets see who spends the most money on the mudd slinging.
unfortunalty being nice doesnt work when everybody only wants to hear all the bad stuff.
anybody but obama 2012
Romney was right. It will be up to the press to do some real seeking into what Obama is really about. Unfortunately alot of reporters are so watered down when it comes to Obama, that American accidentally elected a poor leader in 2008. Did anyone catch the intro Obama was given at the AP speech? That didn't sound like a reporter seeking the truth. That guy sounded like Obama's campaign manager. Fortunately America has woken up. I think we'll get a better leader in 2012 regardless of CNN....
Typical tea people Koch republican, when you don't have anything to say blame the media. We all know what President Obama is about UAW. What we don't know is who Romney will be on any given day. Even the press has trouble keeping up with Romney's changing positions.
Looks like we'll keep the great leader we already have regardless of Fox (aka tea people Koch republican propaganda machine).
Take a nap UAW it's over for you tea people Koch republicans.
Mo,
There is certainly a divide in how Obama is viewed in this country. No doubt Obama's message of "tax some one else" plays well to the poverty lobby and liberals who have out spent thier own resources. But alot of American's know simply taxing some one else and giving that money to political allies isnt going to make our country better. Obama's message of Hope has really become a message of Mope for those people who were expecting something for nothing.
Taxes are lower than ever, UAW, so that dog won't hunt. The whole trickle down policies of republicans have FAILED, so you all need to come up with some new bull@!$%#.
lib50 - don't even try. Facts and intelligence are lost on UAW.
Maybe the press will not be able to avoid Obama's problems much longer. This morning 4/6 the news on one of our local music stations mentioned that another credit rating agency has downgraded the U.S. credit rating. Eventually our interest rates on treasuries will go up and the interest on national debt will take up more of our budget, I am very afraid we are headed toward being another Greece.
Obama's vision for the country resonates better with voters than Romney's. It's that simple and forms the realpolitik by which the President will win re-election.
Fancy This----4 years ago, then-Senator Obama was relatively unknown to many Americans and so the Republicans used negatives to paint a picture of him like "pals around with terrorists", "Muslim", etc. But in 2012, Americans have had 4 years to see President Obama as our President. Even the people who disagree with his views are usually willing to grant that he is a good family man and has worked hard for all Americans. So when Romney tries to paint him as out of touch---coming from someone who earns $57,000 per day and is building elevators for his cars at his beach home, it isn't going to work.
Steeler Fan---I think you're right. Rich bastards like Romney aren't real popular right now and President Obama represents hope and optimism for the middle class not the constant negativism of the right.
Well Tom, if you think demonizing people who are more wealthy and successful than most and exploiting that resentment for political purposes is " hope and optimism", then you're just another mindless Obama groupie who will vote for him no matter what. Even if he has been friends with countless anti-American dirtbags and terrorists like Bill Ayres, Van Jones and Jeremiah Wright.
All you have to remember folks is, if it comes out of the mouth of a tea people Koch republican, it's either who they are or what they stand for. All this negative crap is who they see when they look in the mirror. All they ever have is to try to paint the Democrats as who THEY really are.
Tom - You don't think Obama is wealthy? Cmon dude, you cannot possibly be that ignorant and still own and operate a computer. That demonizing "the nasty rich" works on college campuses and Occupy circles, but in the real world that pig don't fly.
OK Mo - Mr. Tea People Koch - is that all you have? You don't think your boy BO has ANY backing from any influencers? I mean, I knew Missouri was a poor state but you can't possibly be that stupid. Tell you what, when Romney gets in, I'm sure your welfare checks will still be coming...you can still get your Ding Dongs, Marlboro Reds and 2-liter Pepsi my friend
Juice,
You're talking about the President who actually said he wanted to pay more in taxes? That guy? How is that demonizing?
And you shouldn't be calling anyone your friend.
Juiceyjuice, President Obama has a few million most of which was earned from the sale of his books, earned as an author and law professor. Mitt Romney is the richest candidate ever to run with an estimated $350 million; he earned it legally but hardly ethically. Mitt earned his by buying profitable companies and borrowing against their good credit to buy other companies and bankrupting the profitable ones in the process. Mitt earned his many millions by selling out working people, by bankrupting their retirement funds and union busting. I know who is the better man regardless of wealth--and it is not Mitt Romney.
Obama/Biden 2012.
Bravo, Jody!
Yes indeed, Bravo, Jody!
Thanks Jody--- You really know how to make idiots look like idiots.
Yeah! Great post Jody!! Hawkeyes suck balls like your boy BO and Bryan E
Sorry First Read, but I just can't go for your "everyone's to blame" meme . . . the courts have been politicized every since Justice Roberts decided to "freestyle" the Oath of Office at President Obama's Inaugaration . . . and it has been downhill every since.
When a sitting member of the court has a spouse who is ACTIVELY working against a sitting President, it is difficult for me to imagine that the justice is "impartial" when considering cases before him.
When the Supreme Court decides that the Constitution gives corporations the same rights as people, attends secret right wing confabs, and has members who refuse to even attend the President's State of the Union Address, then CLEARLY the party politicizing the process is also the same body that has been compromised and is not even trying to hide it.
It is laughable to try and pretend that the President making a statement simply taking note of the fact that this rogue Supreme Court is and has been out of control for a very long time is equivalent to the very activist stand the Supreme Court has been taking . . . even stepping in to a state election matter to ensure the election of George W. Bush.
Sorry, but "both sides do it" is not gonna work this time, the Supreme Court has been compromised and it is a damn shame.
Judging from your comment Nash, I would say you had a fantabulous Birthday yesterday!
The Supreme Court has gone from being 'supreme' to Kangaroo!
Let's keep the celebration going & have us some 'red' kool-aid, shall we?
PS: Shout out to Clara, KC & her hubby for celebrating their 14th wedding anniversary yesterday! {{{hugs}}} to both of you!
lol . . . my birthday was great . . . just need a day off to recover . . . keep the koolaid pouring . . . I need it! :o)
P.S. Folks kill me trying to scold the President for telling the unvarnished truth . . . President Obama is a grown @#$ man . . . he doesn't need permission to share his opinions folk . . . cry me a river.
Couldn't agree more, Nash. The conservative justices of the Supreme Court have given up any claim to appearing impartial. Not only is Justice Thomas' wife actively working against the ACA, she is being paid handsomely to do so.
I agree that it is not both sides. Additionally, if the court rules that the mandate is unconstitutional, they would also need to explain why it IS constitutional to mandate car insurance, and in certain flood-prone areas, flood insurance (that is bought from the federal government).They should expain why it is legal at the state level but not at the federal. The states fall under the same constitutional umbrella as all Americans.
I am also aghast that Justice Thomas can rule on this with his wife's involvement in the Tea Party.
Not only was Ginny Thomas paid handsomely - Clarence forgot to disclose her income for 6 years...
*shakes head*
Agree totally Nashvill_fan. I'm sick of the media bailing the tea people Koch republicans out by saying well both parties do it, it's a tea people Koch republican talking point to blame the Democrats for something their doing and the media falls for it every time.
Ahh, thanks, Feisty! It was a good day and an even better night! I truly have an awesome husband, for sure!
Nash, I do hope your birthday was awesome, as well!
Yeah, while we all hope for judicial restraint from the Supremes,...I can't help but feel that they plan to go "All In" on their bat @!$%# crazy positions of party over jurisprudence.
I hope I am wrong!
Right on Nashville!
I think the President was absolutely right in pointing out the separation of powers. The court, particularly the Supreme Court and particularly in this case, does not make law, it interprets law. In the country's ignorance of law and procedure, we have given over too much responsibility to the court.
Dumb FUX (10.25) -- I wonder if Justice Thomas learned from Representative Rangel or maybe even Secretary Geithner and how about Reverend Al Sharpton?
I know, this is a deflection in the minds of some here but it does add something to the fairness of the posted comments.
Nashville fan:
I grew up with the Warren Court, and at the time I thought it had moved to the left, although I never saw anything that I would call "activism". The decisions seemed to remain within the realm of what a reasonable person would call "interpretation".
Your excellent post, on the other hand, has clearly shown this court to have moved far beyond interpretation. The court's right-wing is clearly into judicial activism, if not outright advocacy of a clear agenda to further empower the already richest and most powerful citizens in this country.
I just don't see how you can arrive at any other conclusion.
Judyaz
I strongly encourage you to visit the government site where you can both listen to the oral arguments and read the transcripts. If you really want to know, pay attention to the parts of the oral arguments that discuss the federal government being one of enumerated powers whereas plenary power is reserved for the states.
Nashville -
Many also find it difficult to accept the impartiality of a justice who helped construct the defense of the healthcare bill. If Justice Thomas should have recused himself because of his spouse's activities, then Justice Kagan should have recused herself as well.
Mr Romney
Keep telling the truth and let your opponent keep telling his lies. Stay on the high ground and he will beat himself to death trying to reach you. Your opponent in this Presidential race has nothing to stand on and he has no morals or pride. He will play dirty and mean and try to sink you to his level. Do not go there and stay the course and the true people who believe in America and freedom will support you. Do not try and sway his base because they are baseless and have nothing to offer to America.
Keep movinig foreward and do not get distracted. America needs you to be a leader. We have been leaderless for three long years and desperately need one.
May God bless you and your family and may God bless America again.
Keep drinking your kool aid. You are so Funny.
This made me chuckle. You actually think mittens is honest.
You may have been leaderless, but i think the rest of us are just fine with the leader we have. Open the shades and shutters. It's a bright and beautiful world out there.
job1 I do not drink kool-aid. That is for you followers of a false prophet.
Bryan. I think Mr Romney is honest. He is not hiding his dismal record and pointing fingers at who's fault it is. My shades and shutters are open and I do not wear blinders like the followers of Obama. I see clearly and we have been leaderless. Anyone who has been a leader or who has been lead by a leader knows it. He has no direction no idea and no clue. IE no leadership.
Sorry dude, but you lost any credibility in your first sentence.
I think this is what you meant rukidding, "keep changing position and lying Mr Romney". No matter how many times you change your position or lie I will always support you. Isn't that more like what you meant rukidding?
rukidding47. I value your right to an opinion, and to express that opinion, but not the actual opinion itself. Where is the american auto industry today beacuse of Obama's leadership? Housing starting to come back? How about jobs?
The economy in general is rebounding despite the climate of obstruction that has enveloped Washington, perpetrated by your ilk - Republicans. Paint the picture however you want to, it won't hide the truth, your attempts to sink the president have failed miserably. THAT is YOUR reality, THAT is YOUR truth.
Yes rukidding47 have lost any credibility what so ever and your membership in the low information voters club continues.
Remember, drink your kool aid.
Sorry Mo. I don't like others talking for me and I wrote what was true. You do not need to twist it to fit your idea.
Bryan. I do not have a paint brush and if you think in general it is getting better you are mistaken. Job creators are hedging on the election that a new President will be elected. They are gearing up for it or will be left behind. Its a bet if you will. If your guy gets elected it will tank instantly and worse than the last time he got in. As for the Auto industry the so called bailout was a payoff to his union bosses. It matters not when fuel goes over five dollars a gallon and noone will be able to drive those overpriced cars so what will happen to your precious auto industry then? This President has failed you me and our grand children. He has dug us a Grand Canyon of debt that we can't pay off and he keeps digging. Thats reality and you can try and paint over it anyway you want. No matter how much koolaid you drink you can't swallow that poison pill. This President Failed and will continue to fail.
Job1. I suppose you think you are credible? If thats the club then I do not want in. Like I said you are the kool aid drinker following a doomed prophet. Suck it up buttercup.
I'm very credible and educated, unlike the low information voters club on your side that doesn't know anything.
So, drink up your kool aid.
That match book diploma set you back a couple bucks? I have read your posts and credible your not. Blind follower you are.
Thanks for playing though.
Your side showed how credible you are when you voted for Sarah Palin for Vice-President. I also have read your post, and I have to say the same old radical right wing, low information talking points that don't make a bit of sense are coming through.
Oh well, your leader Rush is on, and I will let you go.
rukidding47,
I see you are well versed in the GOP meme. I have to hand it to you, you got every talking point in on this thread. When you wake up from your deep slumber, Obama will still be president, the economy will still be improving.
If you think industry is "hedging" on a new president you're flat out retarded. Let's make a bet on an outcoome we don't control. Yeah, that's what's going on.
My leader is always on and it is not Rush. You might want to want to watch and maybe you could actualy learn something.
Maybe you can watch golf and see what your President is doing.
Yeah right.
job, bryan --
Candidate Obama -- “We’ve got a philosophical difference, which we’ve debated repeatedly, and that is that Senator Clinton believes the only way to achieve universal health care is to force everybody to purchase it. And my belief is, the reason that people don’t have it is not because they don’t want it but because they can’t afford it.” Barack Obama, speaking at a democrat presidential debate, February 21, 2008.
EXPIRATION DATE: On March 23, 2010, Obama signed the individual mandate into law.
Please help me understand whether the above from the 2008 campaign constitutes a lie, misinformation, change of heart on the part of President Obama.
Or if you prefer, try this one:
STATEMENT: Executive order stating, “The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than one year from the date of this order.” January 22, 2009.
Thanks
Mandate was a REPUBLICAN idea, put into the reform for republicans (dems wanted single payer or public option). It was put in to garner republican votes because they were compromising. Of course, republicans won't even accept their own ideas if Obama is near them, so now suddenly republicans are trying to undo the mandate. That leaves them NOTHING to bring down healthcare costs. Which would most likely lead to an expansion of Medicare for all (which I like).
As for Guantanamo, he tried, republicans wouldn't allow for transfers of prisoners and did all they could to stop the closing. Frankly the whole thing is a big yawn.
lib -- your opinion and mine on the flip-flop by President Obama is different. There was a filibuster-proof democrat Senate and a democrat majority house for his first two years. Only when Brown won the Senate seat did the democrats realize they had to pass it immediately and in the infamous words of then Speaker Pelosi -- We have to pass it to know what's in it. Why do you give him a pass on this one?
medicare for all paid by by all? or will it be free to all?
again, President Obama set a one-year timetable for the closing. The house and senate were both democrat majorities.
i agree, a big yawn, except when folks demonize other politicians for doing the same things that President Obama does who tends to get a pass from folks just like you most of the time.
james - you better do a little research because you just look totally stupid. President Obama had a filibuster proof Senate for 7 months - not two years. And, unfortunately during that time he was trying to work with the GOP - his mistake. His filibuster proof congress was from 7/7 to 2/4 2010. You probably should know what you are talking about before you post but, that's the way the GOP works - just lie, lie!
dear seeking -- in your hurry to call me a liar like all other GOP (not GOP by the way) you have written something I cannot figure out.
"His filibuster proof congress was from 7/7 to 2/4 2010."
Phrased with words and conventional notation it reads like this"
His filibuster proof congress (it was just the Senate, not the entire Congress (LIE #1)) from 7/7 to 2/4 2010 (not possible; your sentence says it ended in 2010 before it started in 2010 (LIE #2). (The July start date was 2009)
Careful girl -- by your measure mistakes are not allowed so I guess you must be a liar -- two times??
Have a nice evening.
Pray tell, exactly who are the job creators that you are referencing??? If you are speaking about the REAL job creators, then I doubt that they have enough money to hedge their bets on an election. If you're talking about the wealthy, well that's another story.
Tell me exactly how Obama has failed. Healthcare reform (which has other good ideas if you oppose the mandate), killing bin Laden (admit it, if McCain had won you would be saying that he killed him instead of relying on Bush's help), offering a meaningful deficit reduction package that was balanced, compromising his ass of even when he had control of Congress, showing political maturity in Washington, getting us out of that hellhole that is Iraq, which we simply should have left alone to keep a check on Iran. As for the debt, you do know that most of it has been accrued because of the recession and the Bush tax cuts, and that Bush has spent more money than Obama has. Check how he turned a $4 trillion surplus into $5 trillion plus in deficits. That totals to a $9 trillion switch. Doesn't seem so good for Bush....
Face it; Obama has been a pretty damn good leader, better than Romney could ever hope to be. He tried playing the nice guy when he had all the cards, and kept doing it when he lost them. But the GOP busted his chops one too many times, and so now he is on the offensive. They brought this upon themselves.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Santorum and Gingrich are emblematic of the Tea Party:
Anyone seen a story on MSNBC about recent developments in the Trayvon Martin case since NBC got caught editing the 911 tape ??
I noticed that too "nothing new". In fact, the same liberal news orgs that were lying, distorting, omitting, inflaming and acting like all-round jackasses just a week and a half ago, are now pretty much silent on the matter. And who was the worst??? MSNBC. I hope the people that run this network realize that we are not going to forget about the crap they've pulled. They had little credibility before as they have been nothing more than a propaganda arm of the Dem party and an Obama cheerleader outlet. Now? Their credibilty is DEAD.
Nope or the two black guys beating a man with a hammer and left him to die and that happened in Stanford too.
Actually, it is Treyvon Martin who is dead, and no one has even been charged with the crime even now.
Nice attempt at distraction though.
A justice system that allows the casual taking of a human life without so much as a trial is no justice system at all. Common sense dictates that we cannot simply take the word of the person who fired the shot that they felt "threatened" as justification . . . this situation is calling out for a trial, which cannot happen without an arrest. A pretty basic request.
Everything else is just window dressing at this point.
Common sense also dictates that we cannot take the word of MSNBC, CNN, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or anybody else who told us that Martin was a "child" who was stalked, hunted and executed" just for being Black and/or wearing a hooded sweatshirt. All of those listed above have a LONG history of inflaming the less intelligent and the liberal-minded with racial hoaxes. They should ALL be marginalized and shunned.
It's called a Grand Jury and the truth will come out, not MSNBC/NBC already convicting a person without any evidence. Now when you have NBC "EDITING" the 911 call to make it racial and then the two top race baiters stir up this crap is in fact criminal.
You cry Fox lies.........................what do you say about NBC inciting racial division?
Damage:
Fact is, Treyvon Martin was an unarmed child who was gunned down by a person who had absolutely no reason to even be intereacting with him at all.
Period.
When we have a TRIAL, then the evidence can be examined and a jury of Mr. Zimmerman's peers can reach a verdict.
But as I already said, the gentlemen who shot Treyvon Martin was not even given so much as a speeding ticket for ending someone's life.
That has absolutely nothing to do with Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or anyone else other than the person who decided to take the law into their own hands based on nothing more than a "feeling".
This situation is too serious to try and play political patty cake with . . . the facts speak for themself and there is more than enough to make an arrest . . . here's hoping one is made soon so justice can be served.
Don't expect a common sense answer there, Paul. At least three of these idiots, The Dumbfux Sisters, Feisty, Bev and Pat, go on and on about what crusaders for justice Sharpton and Jackson are. Nevermind the hoaxes they've pulled, the people who were murdered because of Fat Al's words and actions, the tensions they've inflamed for personal gain.
As for MSNBC, what do you expect from Hussein's own propaganda network.
To have an arrest, there must be evidence. Because after the arrest, there has to be a charge. If there is no credible evidence to back up the charge, a judge will throw the case out.
Innocent until proven guilty you know.
A CNN info-babe with "Breaking News" last next showed the video of the white Hispanic Zimmerman being brought into the police station. In her infinite journalistic wisdom she dismissively noted from the fuzzy video that Zimmerman had none of the claimed injuries on the back of his head. ABC late enhanced the video to show indeed there were injuries.
Journalism is really nothing but gossip these days.
Indeed CNN and NBC/MSNBC have been the worst in their activism of trying to stir up racial hatred. That doctored audio from NBC was over the top, something that should get the executives of that company fired, but only got a two sentence "apology" from NBC about an "error" taking place. An error? Someone deliberately doctored that audio tape.
Paul:
I agree it is wrong to edit anything to try and create perceptions, but that does not change the fact that SOMEONE has to bring attention to INJUSTICE, so even if the messengers are not perfect (and none of us are), it does NOT change the fact that it is WRONG for folks to SHOOT FOLKS based on nothing more than they don't like the looks of them.
There is simply no two ways about that . . . and your comment about two black guys beating a white guy above . . . what exactly was the point of that comment? Does that crime negate what happened to Trayvon Martin? How is that relevent? The point is we need a FAIR way to deal with crime, not a different standard depending on who committed the crime . . . so trying to layer a whole lot of other irrelevent stuff on . . . like Trayvon's school records . . . is just making a mockery of our "justice system".
Changing the subject to "media coverage" instead of "dead child" is just a little too convenient . . . both are problematic . . . but one has considerably more weight (and it is the dead child in case you are confused).
JoAnne:
The dead, unarmed child is pretty powerful evidence in my humble opinion.
In terms of the tapes of Zimmerman entering the police station, I don't think that there is any injury that you can sustain that gives you an automatic pass to take someone else's life. Especially if you approach that person in the middle of the night after following them through the neighborhood.
Like I said, it is time for a real trial, not a political, BS one.
@ nothing new here-1200374 & Paul-Florida:
How about either one of you posting a link to the story which cites that NBC edited the 911 tape?
I have not seen that story on any ABC, CBS, or NBC station nor on any media website, so post the link for us so that we can read the story for ourselves.
I'll be sure to check back during the day to see if you've got the gonads to back up your spurious claim.
Sorry Nash, given the high rate of criminality among Black teenagers (apparently really high in Sanford FL), Zimmerman had every right and reason to be suspicious of an unfamilar Black male. It's not "profiling" or any of that nonsense. It's common friggin' sense. He stopped trailing the 6' 3" "child" when the 911 operator recommended it, and claims that Martin then attacked HIM. Whole new ballgame. people can talk all they want about justice and the truth and letting things take their course, but we all know that if the grand jury makes a decision that's not to the liking of the Black community, there will be trouble. we're all aware of the threat.
Damage:
Thank you for reminding me of who you actually are . . . a person who has an obsession with the lives of black people. As a black person myself, I am praying that you never have to have someone you care about gunned down needlessly, and then be told that they deserved it because other folks who looked like them are criminals. Somehow, that doesn't seem like the "American way".
It is that type of "logic" that is at the root of the problem . . . here is a news flash for you . . . nobody has the right to kill someone else. Even if they are in the process of committing a crime. That is why we have law enforcement . . . if each and every person who had a "hunch" was empowered to just shoot someone . . . we could not have a society.
And that has nothing to do with race, even though that is the prism through which you process everything. I am sorry your world view is so limited, and that you literally see everyting in "black and white".
Trying to justify the unjustifiable is a new low for you, but I can't say that I am surprised.
Nash, I appreciate your point of view, and certainly cannot say it is incorrect. Something certainly went wrong that night and a someone was killed. If the evidence shows a crime was committed, then Zimmerman should face those charges.
On the other subject, the Main Stream Media (MSM) has failed in every possible way. Their blatant actions to be activists in trying to convict Zimmerman without evidence was simply over the top. Initially in describing Zimmerman as a "white" Hispanic (what in the world is that?), and showing childhood pictures of Martin. How can anyone trust a "news" organization like NBC after they doctored the 911 tapes? All of this was done in a flagrant attempt to incite racial tensions.
Again though, I sympathize with your points. Something went terribly wrong in this case.
say -- it might be a good idea to look at other media outlets. this was reported by Reuters on Tuesday. There are many more links, go look.
We will wait to see if you have the gonads to apologize.
The "Today" show's segment, which included an ellipsis on screen to indicate omitted text, ran as:
"Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good ..."
"Zimmerman: He looks black."
The full conversation ran as:
"Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy - is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/nbc-issues-apology-on-zimmerman-tape-screw-up/2012/04/03/gIQA8m5jtS_blog.html
Google keywords: nbc 911 zimmerman
Nash- It's not MY fault that 2% of the population committs over 60% of the crime in this country. As long as the "Black community" continues to refuse to clean up it's own back yard while simultaneously blaming the mess in the back yard on EVERYBODY else, people like me will continue to think like we do. And there are MILLIONS of us. When the "Black community" stops glorifying and glamorizing criminals, stops cheering and celebrating nationwide when Blacks are acquitted of butchering Whites, stops blaming every problem on things that ended decades and/or centuries ago, all with the encouragement of White liberals (including the media), I'll stop worrying. I won't hold my breath.
Damage:
Yep, we black people brought ourselves to this country, denied ourselves a wage for hundreds of years, kept ourselves from voting, kept ourselves secluded in poor neighborhoods, kept ourselves employed in low paying jobs, kept ourselves from getting a good education.
Yes indeed. It has nothing to do with a systematic system of oppression, it is about black folks just collectively deciding to "be bad". It has nothing to do with sentences for illegal drugs used in the black community being longer than sentences for other drugs. It has nothing to do with an entire cottage industry of "private prisons" run by folks who also help write the laws to fill them.
Makes perfect sense . . . thanks for leading me to the light.
Cling to your irrational hate and fear Damage . . . clearly its all you've got. Sounds like we will be wondering when your trial starts in the near future.
P.S. You must have a very narrow definition of the world "crime" . . . I wonder which groups "crimes" brought down the world economy? And do you ever provide links to back up your assertions? I mean, black folks don't even make up 20% of the population in this country (even though we clearly almost 100% of your brain.)
P.S.S. Have you noticed how you have a pattern of ascribing all black people with the attributes of individual black people? Are you responsible for the actions of every person that you share an ethnic background with? If not, why not?
Cling to your irrational hate and fear Damage
There's something called truth in numbers and the numbers that Damage cited are not irrational or hate filled they are facts.
Facts that Bill Cosby has addressed and then has been labled as an oreo or trader to his race.
Nothing will change in those numbers until more Bill Cosby's rise up to outnumber the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's, the one that truly enslave the race.
Rob:
You certify the truth in the numbers while providing no source for them. Strange.
Also, you conveniently ignore the inconvenient bits for the parts that make you feel better. Typical.
Lastly, there are millions of black people in this country, and most of them are not named Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, so I am confused why these two gentlemen are such catnip for folks looking to excuse bad behavior.
Black people are people, with all of the pros and cons inherent in all people. Treating us as if we are uniquely bad just because of our skin tone is pretty ridiculous, no matter how many times someone decides to repeat that type of boileplate BS.
That must be the best line I have heard all day, this from the idiot who uses the number of hits on Google as truth in numbers. Today's count for "Rob in Ma Idiot", 28.8M hits.
Hang in there, Nashville.
Please know that there are many out here who support you and share your convictions.
the problem with your post on the plight of blacks is this nobody alive today has been enslaved. evreyone is given the same opportunity to grow beyound their upbringing. I have several friend that are black and from poor families and have very good jobs and live very well, but they had to bust their ass to get there the same way i did. I came from a poor family and now I own 2 businesses. None of us took anything we couldnt earn. My friends certainly dont go around blaming white people for enslaving the blacks 200 years ago, its old and really lame for the black community as a whole continuing to use slavery as an excuse for not getting what they want.
Yes indeed dear Nash, hang in there. Please know I join Felden in giving you and others support in fighting the good fight each day.
I can only imagine what it must be like to wonder and fear every day one's child is out of the house will they return. The pain that Trayvon's parents must be feeling no one should have to endure.
We have an awfully long way to go to change things, so yes, hang in there, I'm with you.
dearest rmc357:
History is what it is. It is not about blame, it is about cause and effect. And so far, you cannot escape the causes of many of the problems in the black community have their roots in the way that they were bought and sold as property, and even written into the Constitution as 3/5 of a person.
I am sorry if this fact is uncomfortable for you. Clearly, things are much better today than they were in slave times. But you can keep somone in shackles for decades, then set them "free" with the clothes on their backs and wonder why they aren't as successful as you are a few years later? Especially if you are still actively working to keep them "separate" from the rest of society?
This not about race so much as common sense.
And save the "bootstrap" stories . . . there are people of every race who have been successful, but it is also true that even today, some folks' climb to the top is based on a model of low (dare I say slave?) wages and taking advantage of folks who are vulnerable.
It is convenient to pretend that now that black folks have fought and bled for the most BASIC of rights, like riding the bus and going to the store, everything is "equal", but you are not really in a position to address that seeing as you are not black, and apparently are unwilling to consider the opinion of someone who is.
So I guess we will agree to disagree.
as far as education blacks are given the same chance as white or hispanics its what you do with it that counts. This makes no differance if your white or black I know some really stupid whites because they didnt use what they were given to get ahead.
rmc357:
I am about to leave for the day, but what you are failing to grasp is this: Many blacks cannot AFFORD to go to college or are not PREPARED for college because they are receiving a SUBSTANDARD EDUCATION in the SUBPAR neighborhoods they can afford to live in on the SUBSTANDARD wages that they earn working for RICH PEOPLE of all races.
It is not about RACE so much as CLASS. Black people with similar OPPORTUNITIES have similar SUCCESS, but the issue is that there are MANY BLACKS who DO NOT get the opportunity, even though you really, really, believe that they do.
Trust me.
This is not an excuse. It is a fact. Think about it . . . if my grandma saved up her maid money and your grandma ineherited her daddy's farm, who is gonna come out ahead?
Do the math. On the whole, how many black folks do you think inherited . . . anything? Can you see how that could create some inequities? Maybe?
See you tomorrow.
Unfortunately, rmc really doesn't get it - and he is not alone. I wonder if some people are just not capable of looking at life through somebody elses eyes. They show a lack of empathy and understanding.
I am not uncomfortable with it at all. you still cannot get beyond the fact that you are given the chance and make a choice to contunue with blaming the rest of the world for your problems. If the black community is to grow then they must start with themselves.
"Not being black" another phrase used to show you how it is somehow impossible for anyone to understand how blacks feel. thats old. you have not brought anything to this conversation that show you are willing to do anything but blame your problems on whites. its a little arrogant of you to assume that whites dont have the same problem with wages that blacks do.
as far has someone else haveing an opinion, your opinion matters but if you cannot do something positive with it then it shouldnt mean anything.
you act as though all whites are rich another bit of arrogance,
lib I completely understand that the black community doesnt seem to have the ability to see beyound their faillings, theirs no lack of empathy unless your defenition of empathy is i should give you more than your willing to work for.
no, rmc, you don't understand. You don't have to be black to understand either. I am a middle aged white woman and I get it, but I am able to put myself in another person's shoes, and over the years I've learned that not everyone can. Some people can only see life through their own prism of experience.
lib50 and nashville - - rmc357, Rob and JoAnna have shown over and over that the truth is beyond them. They fail to understand what most of us realize. I am fully aware that being born white, fairly attractive and intelligent gave me an edge while in school and when looking for a job. It shouldn't be that way but unfortunately, it still is. Trayvon's shooting just shows how far we still have to come. Had a white teen been shot by a black man claiming to defend himself, the black man would be in jail - no questions asked. Equality under the law is still lacking as it is in so many areas. But, you actually have to have some empathy for people to appreciate that. It is clearly lacking in parts of the population.
one thing is for sure you cannot see the error in your way of thinking you simply spout that I cannot understand.
If it had been a white kid shot by a black man we would not be having this conversation, simply because it would have never recieved the attention this case has gotten. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
lets do talk about inequality: inequality in the fact that when the majority of violance agianst blacks comes from black no reports on nbc cbs msnbc yet EVERY time there is a white (or any other race) agianst blacks its front page news. Wheres rev al and jes at when this happens, wheres the raciest group the new black panthers when hundreds of blacks are killing blacks every year, NOTHING from them yet they are willing to hang any white for anything against blacks before it even goes to court. ( for the record I do not believe the SYG law applies to the zimmerman case). explain that to me please dont give me the usual bs Im sick of it.
the black community should clean its own house before condeming another
I will agree that there is a lack of equality in the law but not just towards blacks. if you cannot see this then we as a people will never get beyond where we are at now.
under the law in florida the same would have happened to the black man without evidence you cannot hold someone even if hes black your spouting more liberal non sense.
seeking sanity you dont even know me so how can you say I have shown over and over that the truth is beyond me typical liberal thinking i dont post on here enough for you or anyone else to make that kind of assumption. what would you consider the defenition of the truth? the truth is very subjective, does it mean that i dont know the truth simply because i do not agree with you?
another question seeking sanity that exactly how did being born white, attractive give you the advantage wait a minute you are more intellegent, thats it blacks are not as intellegent as you because you were born white, attractive with more intellegence. talk about a feeling of superiority. that is typical liberal thinking at its best. I gotta laugh at that.
one day you liberals will figure out that your skewed way of thinking IS the problem
when everyone finally figures out that they control their destiny, then and only then will thing get better. dont ask for what you can work for!
rmc357:
Nobody is asking you for anything. Too bad you don't LISTEN as well as you LECTURE . . . maybe you should run for president since clearly you know every damn thing.
Believe what you want . . . I am not trying to convince you of anything . . . seeing as I am sharing my life experiences, and you are spouting some talking points that make you feel superior.
Enjoy.
All I have to go on is what you write. And it speaks for itself.
thats it!!! did i say you ask me for anything? I had a comment on what you said and you still cannot answer me. I listen very well and you STILL have absolutly no responce for me. talking points? really I gave you a life experience and you call it talking points but you can say with a staight face that your experiences are more credible than mine. wow the sad thing is people agree with you.
lib50 you are correct all you have to go by is what i say and just like nash you have no answer execpt to say it speaks for itself. I have watched you for a while and you are the poster child for the liberal talking points.
GIVE ME A REASON TO THINK DIFFERENTLY!!!!!!!!! show me i challenge you. stop with your liberal tallking points. show me where i'm wrong?
as far as running for president I couldnt get elected I would expect that everyone work for what they get. now before you two go off on a liberal bs aww the hell with it.
rmc357:
Your constant comments about "working for what they get" proves that you don't even know what you are saying, let alone be able to process what I am saying. And I am happy to report that I am not waiting for you to get it . . . besides YOU are here to ENLIGHTEN me about black people, an area you clearly know more about than me . . . so thanks for the tips on bettering myself . . . before reading your comment I was just another shiftless, lazy black person making excuses . . . but now, with your help, I am "equal"!
Yay team . . . now if I can just remember which outfits to wear so I won't get shot we should all be A-OK, right?
nash I NEVER considered you anything but an equal, but you see thats where you and I differ. my problem with you is you feel that the black community is so oppresssed that there is now way they can get ahead. and your last comment confirms that I am correct in my assumption, THAT statement made you less than what I think you really are. you are your own worst enemy yay team until now i had some respect for you now i just dont know
you still have not shown any reason for me to believe anything else
rmc357:
You are really good at deliberately missing the point and putting words in my mouth.
I don't need or seek the "respect" of people that I don't know on the internet.
You are a condescending #@#$@#@. Period.
You are dismissed.
typical liberal you cannot argue the point with me so now you resort to name calling.
dismiss me if you want but you still cannot prove your point, so therefore i win by default
i love this liberals are so easy
i need to apoligize I did not win anything I actually lost because I was unable to convince you that you alone can change your life or the life of the black comunity.
liberals are still easy
Is the purpose of this blog to campaign on behalf of Obama? Are you guys part of his campaign and internet strategy? What part of tax reform do you guys not like? I dont see Obama proposing any tax reform? What about spending and entitlement reform? Has Obama put something out there besides his budget which expands the deficit over 10 trillion over the next 10 years? I wouldnt get so giddy on the polls as this always happens after the incumbent gets to sit back and let the other party beat themselves up in the primary. Once it becomes one on one campaigning, Romney will clearly narrow the gap. What will be interesting is whether Obama will try and run on any part of his 4 year record or will he continue to campaign using the same method of the progressives on here which is personal attacks and deflection. The current method of campaigning by all of you is negative attacks versus positive record boasting.
Kirk....what? Are you new?
You must have missed the Obama proposal to reform social programs to the tune of $3b in exchange for $1b in increased taxes for the top 2%, which was rejected by Boehner (who was under duress by the Tea Party repubs) because it violated the Norquist petition.
You have tunnel vision and ignore everything the president has tried to do that has been shot down by the Norquist petition.
Kirk,
Why are you on here telling Progressives that they should run a positive campaign when the apparent Republican Party Presidential nominee, Williard "Mitt" Romneys' campaign and Super PAC have done nothing but lie about this President's record, his remarks, and his successes, and the other Republican Presidential candidates since this process began.
Oh, so the Democrats (i.e. Progressives) should play clean and the Republicans can just go ahead and continue the negative campaigning that has existed since the beginning of the Republican Primary?
Dude or dudette, whichever you are, you need to cut back on the FOX propaganda intake and get a dose of modern reality. You have no one to blame for how the tone of this campaign is but the Republican Party itself. Mr. Romney wants to be the Republican Presidential nominee so bad that he has been willing to say and do anything necessary to win the vote of the Republican base. But now that we are entering the general election he wants to reset the screen so that he can tailor his positions toward the no doubt more moderate general electorate audience.
Want to blame someone for the state of politics today? Go back and look at the rhetoric of the Right and their new pals the "Tea Party" during the past 3.5 years and you will see who threw the first stone. Don't expect the Democrats to sit back and take the high moral ground anymore. The Republicans want this to be a street fight so that's what this election will be. Don't like it, too bad. Want to change it? Start with your rabid anti-Obama haters in the Republican\Tea Party and after you've cleaned up your own house you'll have the moral right to demand the same of the Democrats. Till then, thank the US Supreme Court and "Citizens United" for the state of political campaigns today.
As to the rest of your anti-Obama bashing post; get off your sanctimonious "I don't see Obama ...." ranting. You only see what you wish to see and clearly what you choose to see is only through the prism of the Republican Party lenses.
SayitaintSo - high five!!!!
When the facts come out about the past three years of budget setting by the White House, the American people will move back toward Romney. An interesting fact is that the House sent a budget to the Senate for the past three years and each time that budget has been dead on arrival due to Senate Majority Leader Reid's failure to act on it. The Democrats have a lot of issues and a lot of questions.
Look at the number of jobs added under the administration. In 2007 we had 137.6 million people working. In 2/2012 we had 132.7 working. Three years into promises to turn the economy around and we still have a net job loss of 4.9 million from the end of the boom. This is definitely a jobless recovery. Of course, we have had European policies for the past 3 plus years and I guess we will become like Europe where they averaged 10% unemployment for 2 decades (the 90's and 00's).
If the voters don’t get rid of the current Republicans and Tea Partiers, then this country could continue to be run by “the money”, with the politicians being their “puppets” and the voters simply being their “pawns”. “The few” (1%) would continue to greatly gain as they compete in having it all while the majority (99%), including the total middle-class, is again left struggling, which is the two-class society we are constantly being pushed into. Fault the imperfect Democrats but recognize that they aren’t the real problem, in spite of all the propaganda generated by the mega-millions, and instead clearly recognize that our problems are the real result of exploitation by “the few”, encouraged and allowed by co-responsible “puppet” politicians who serve “the money’s” interests by pushing favorable policies, excessive deregulation, lax oversight, non-enforcement and the blocking of all reforms, with it all claimed as “conservative”, with that resulting in run-away greed, gross dishonesty and self-indulgence by the advantaged few.
Should their self-serving stubborn blocking and arrogant faulting of all efforts, their total refusal to offer any bipartisan cooperation and compromise, their constant protecting of “the money’s” interests, their intimidation of their own to squelch individual consciences and to assure complete unity behind “the few’s” interests and their insultingly offering of their “puppet” candidates who will dutifully serve only their interests not be convincing, then consider the history of repetitive crisis in savings-and-loans, banks, dot.coms, the financial, mortgage and investment industries as well as corporate corruption (like Enron) and industrywide failures - with “the few” always walking away “fat and sassy” while the majority is left with the costs and only more propaganda. With emotions checked, fears, biases, prejudices and loyalties set aside, so they can’t be used to manipulate, then there really is no doubt and the using and abusing of the people is totally obvious to any rational and objective discernment.
The current Republican / Tea Party is literally owned and controlled by “the money”. It has been said that as such they are incapable of ever responsibly and honestly governing; the last twelve years have totally substantiated that. If the people want the Grande Ole Party back, once again with a sincere interest and conscience for the people, then their politicians and what they have become have to be firmly and completely rejected. Can the people do that? Well there will be a whole lot of money, influence and power spent to con and manipulate them not to, expended in order to protect the status-quo for “the few”, so we will just have to wait and see. Will the voters be insulted in being taken for granted or will they once again just be used and ultimately more abused?
Ladies, Romney may change his tune but remember this, he will say anything to get elected so if he does change his colors again how do you know he's telling you the truth. Up to this point he has been playing to the extreme right to get the nomination. If he is elected he will have no choice but to tow the hard line mark that will be set by an extreme right congress. It doesn't matter what he says, you can't trust him. Ladies, need to kick Republithug ass.
No worries XMarine - Us ladies are going to kick Willard's ass so hard, he will be wearing whatever balls he has as earrings! ;o)
Obama/Biden 2012 - Hillary 2016
XMarine...we're working on it, and with a little help from our friends, the great men in our lives, we will succeed.
beachsand: With romney not wanting ladies to really know how or what he thinks is a pure insult to females intellect and shows that he is hiding his real views because if his real views ever became known he may as well start sleeping in siberia, having two older sisters i can promise you that women don't forget and will remind you 5 years later in detail. Mitt Romey has no idea what he has done to himself with females.
The conservative majority on the court reminds me of the Taney court that issued Dred Scott.
I can't wait to see who mittens runs for veep,,,,any bets on a woman,,,,that would be the only way to try and getback the women vote,,,,Just a thought mittens,,,did it help mcain?!?
Time for an analogy:
You are and owner of a parcel of land and would like to build a parking structure for to create a better life for your family.
Currently, the project is in trouble. You have had 2 contractors attempt to build the structure but have failed. The first one you hired was the son of another contractor, he was real nice and spoke with a Texas accent but did a horrible job and now has a horrible reputation. Your current contractor says he is well educated, but won't show you proof that he did a good job while being educated. He also often blames the past contractor for the problems he is having despite him being in charge of the project for some time. He has made some progress, but at the current rate the job wont get done for several decades.
Further, your current contractor wants to fundamentally change the structure design to accommodate for a more "progressive" style. These changes are so expensive that you would have to go deeper into debt to accomplish them. After analysis, you discover that your parking garage will NEVER be profitable. Your contractor says he does not care what it will take to do it his way and wants you to borrow the money anyway.
You are currently looking for another company to take over and competently finish the project. You have the following choices:
1. You can keep your current contractor and go bankrupt.
2. You can hire a contractor that has a solid record of achievement, is well educated, and how has the skill set to do a good job for you and he promises to keep it within your budget.
VOTE ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT
Atticus -- Nicely done.
The problem with your analogy, Atticus, is that we have since learned that the associates of the first contractor actively sabotaged the efforts of the second contractor. Then we learn that the latest contractor has as his advisors many people from the Texas guy's team.
Interesting that your analogy is a parking garage, since Mitt Romney is familiar with that, wanting to put elevators for cars in the garage of his beach house.
Atticus,
Building a parking garage?? How about a house that will also have room for your eldery mother or father?
I think you need to go read "To Kill a Mocking Bird" and see how a great writer uses metaphor and analogy. You will love the "real" Atticus.
Steeler:
See...blame blame blame.
North:
Sadly, both parents have passed.
And...
"I think you need to read" is code for I'm more intelligent than you in liberal speak. Arrogant prick!
Your #2 should read: You can hire a contractor that has a reputation for selling all your assests and moving your parking structure overseas while pocketing a handsome profit for himself.
And the end of your 2nd paragraph that reads: He has made some progress, but at the current rate the job wont get done for several decades.
Should be changed to: He has made some progress, but the subcontractors and suppliers are refusing to renegotiate the original terms from the previous contractor (citing some kind of 'petition'). They are willing to let the project go down in flames rather than salvage it and make a smaller profit for themselves (some profit is better than no profit).
Come back with a spam emailing that makes some sense instead of one that is blatantly skewed to the rwnj point of view.
Oh ... and VOTE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT.
You arrogant prick!
That's the great thing about making up stories; you can always determine how they will end, what they will say, and who they may potentially sway.
Now, I doubt you personally know anything about the contracting business let alone what problems beset any contractor who has taken over a job where the previous contractor has F'd things up. One thing is true of such a scenario in the real world, whatever the second or third contractor finds has to be fixed. Sometimes you have to gut the whole thing in order to be able to do the job right and other times what you estimated it would take to fix the problem gets changed once you actually expose the totality of the previous contractor's poor workmanship.
That is what happens in the real world, and personally I'm so sick and tired of these simple minded analogies put forth by the Republicans that I could scream. Just because you all think that America is the equivalent of a small business, a personal household, or even a larger corporation does not make the comparison true. Being President of the United States of America is not the equivalent of being Chief Executive Officer at a business or corporation. The US Federal Budget is not the equivalent of any household, business, or State budget for that matter and no endless amount of analogy, comparison or simplification will ever make any one of those comparisons true.
Granted, it was a nice story you told but it is just that; your own story. Maybe you choose to look at the complexity that is our US Government today and simplify it so that you can understand but in reality all that shows is how far down we as Americans have come when it comes to the basic level of comprehension and understanding that is required in order to be a rational, informed and productive member of the electorate. Not some simplistic, simple-mined individual who fails to commit the time and inclination necessary to look at our nation's problems objectively and truly understand the factor which got us here and what is required to get America back to the place where opportunity is something that is available to everyone, not just the select few who happen to have money and political connections.
I suggest that you talk with your current contractor and understand the complexity of the problems he has had to fix, which by your own admission were caused by your first contractor.
In the real construction world whenever the project scope exceeds what was contracted, a document called a 'Change Order' gets filled out. Now that Change Order can result in a price increase or price decrease but one thing is for sure, you don't just fire your second contractor because they have to charge you more to do more work because of mistakes by the first contractor.
Or are you one of those people who don't believe in fair pay for fair work?
Horrible analogy. Just plain horrible. Suits your narrative though.
SAY:
THanks for your response. Yes it's simple. Wish I had more tome to develop the thought.
To answer your question about fair pay. I don't expect you to buy in to what I believe about letting the market determine what fair pay is but that what I believe. Sorry I don't believe government and unions decide what is fair. Goes against my grain. Just the way I'm build but I do respect your POV.
say -- two things. go back and read replies to your earlier post (13.11) where you suggest that there is a spurious claim. Read the replies and check some of the links and then do what you think is correct.
for your comments above i wonder if you would have asked for references for contractor #2 prior to entering into a contract or if you would simply accept his proposal because of his nice smile?
AtticusFlinched
Thank you for the acknowledgement and the response. You are correct, I don't believe that the "market" should be the determining factor in what you get paid. Here is why.
Market driven compensation typically only benefits the owner's and managers of a company. Before Labor Unions, company owners and their managers routinely felt free to treat employees any which way they pleased, pay them any wage they felt the employee deserved (which in most cases was not equivalent to the duties that the job required) and terminate any employee for any reason they wanted. Now, are there some things in Labor Unions today that are counterproductive to cost effective business principles? No doubt yes, but should unions be done away with and we return to the days of old? No.
Case in point. I have a friend who works in a customer call center. This particular company pays a good wage for the area in which we live and they have a performance incentive pay program which allows their employees the ability to earn bonuses for meeting certain levels of performance. My friend has worked there over two years having first been hired in through a Temp agency. In the last year this particular company has tripled in size, exceeded projected profitability and compensated it's management accordingly but the hourly employee has seen their incentive pay program reduced dramatically and had their opportunities to achieve their bonuses reduced by 50%. My question to you is do you think such practices are fair? After all, had the employees not done their job for the company in such an outstanding manner the company would not have increased in size and profitability right? Is if fair to my friend that this company changed the rules in order to increase their bottom line?
Atticus-
So a union worker's pay is UNFAIR because his reps at the union negotiated it with management - I assume this stement includes policemen, firemen, etc.?
So how is a CEOs pay, negotiated by an executive recruiter and increased by a "compensation panel" on the board of directors (which most often consist of other CEOs) any different?
And as to your simplistic analogy, remember that contractor #3 is planning on using the same blueprints, construction materials, workers, and kick-backs to sub-contractors that got your parking garage in such bad shape in the first place!
@james-1937467
I found the link of the article you spoke of.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/nbc-apologizes-for-editing-george-zimmermans-911-call-about-trayvon-martin/
It appears you are correct in your claim and I apologize to you for the "spurious claim" comment.
Now, let me ask you this question. Do you think that the editing makes Zimmerman appear that he profiled Trayvon or not? I ask that question because the unedited version seems to me to back the assertion of racial profiling even more.
Next question, what other reason would Mr. Zimmerman have for calling 911 on Trayvon Martin if it was not an incident of racial profiling?
Last question, why did Mr. Zimmerman continue to follow Trayvon Martin after the 911 dispatcher informed him that "we don't need you to do that" and he acknowledged that sentence with "okay"?
say -- i disagree with your basic premise. please point me to some references so that i can read about compensation typically only benefiting owners and managers.
i belonged to a teachers union for 3 years where my pay was based on the negotiated salary schedule. there were two measures -- length of service and continuing education -- nothing to do with whether the kids learned anything. That is my union experience, so not positive at all.
since leaving teaching my compensation has been skill and performance based.
i worked for a company at one time where it became necessary for the owner to make the payroll from a personal savings account for which he used his home as collateral. i believe that in small business this is a fairly common occurrence. probably not in a large company unless it is privately held.
of course life is not fair. do you think that management and labor should be paid the same regardless of responsibility or accountability?
in my industry sales folks are paid a commission. sometimes they earn more than the executives and sometimes less. they are paid to produce and if they do not they are fired. if executives do not show the profit investors seek they are fired.
your friend may want to consider seeking other opportunities. working somewhere without feeling valued can be very difficult.
say -- apology accepted.
i do believe the editing was a prejudicial act by NBC as it appears that Zimmerman spontaneously said the individual "looks black" when in fact he was responding to a question. So, no, I do not think he was profiling. Not sure how you conclude any racial profiling.
i think the 911 tape is pretty clear as to why the call was made so i cannot really say anything more on that.
i was not there so whether Zimmerman continued following or not is up to the folks that are doing the investigation to determine.
let me close by saying that we each have access to the same information much of which is an interpretation by the media of the events of that evening. we can speculate all we want, it is our privilege to do so but i would caution about judging anyone's guilt or innocence based on media reports.
@ Atticus Flinched,
Welcome to FR. I see you are new here...
"I think you need to read" is code for I'm more intelligent than you in liberal speak. Arrogant prick!"
No, my remark was not code, but a statement about one of my favorite books.
Your moniker, a play on the father character Atticus Finch" in To kill a Mockingbird, is at least literary.
Your name calling, alas,is not intelligent but merely boorish.
SAY;
The simple answer to your response is this. Your friend has gained some skills working were he does and can now seek out a company with better pay. If conditions are as bad as you say, the current employees can simply leave and go somewhere else for work. As they leave, the company might say wait! we don't want to lose you, will you stay for more pay?
Currently, we are in a down labor market so employees leaving is less likley. This actually drives the point that the market will dictate the fair wage. As we reach full employment in the econmy, wages will naturally need to be more competitive and wages will rise.
You don't have to agree with me. It's OK. I've heard all your arguments before and I still don't think your way is the right way but like I said I respect your POV anyway.
North; I'm sorry for the name calling. It was wrong for me to do that.
Atticus,
Your apology accepted.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Look forward to your postings in the future.
Atticus, I disagree that markets will lead to fair wages on their own.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2011/1028/Top-1-percent-has-nearly-quadrupled-income-since-1979
Wages for everyone except the top have been stagnant for decades. They keep getting more and more and the rest of us get to compete for less and less. Real average earnings have not increased in over 50 years (except of course for the top).
http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4?op=1
Lib 50:
You're right, my theory only works without government interference and we currently have a national minimum wage. Also, full employment is necessary for wages to raise due to competition and scarcity of workers.
Remember, a good wage is relative to what is acceptable to the workers. My father was happy to make $3.00/hour in the 50s. He was able to buy a home and raise a family on that wage until the hyper-inflation on the 70s.
Question: Would you liberals be willing to do away with the minimum wage if the market raised the acceptable wage above the national minimum wage? Why, or why not?
BTW, My theory can be proven with a micro-market example that exists today. Look no farther than North Dakota for a labor market that is at near full employment where the average oil field annual wage is over $90,000. The middle class is growing faster there than anywhere else in the country and minimum wage plays no factor because of the scarcity of workers.
Unfortunately, markets are NOT self regulating, and that would include wages. A world without government influence would look like Somalia, and it is one of those pie in the sky utopias. The numbers clearly show the stagnation of wages for almost everyone, with the top getting ALL of the increase in wealth.
I do believe in a minimum wage. Also, my husband used to belong to a union, and the wages for quite some time were far beyond what the standard union wages were. Things in the industry changed over time (outsourcing) and union jobs keep dwindling. We get most of the same benefits now with this non-union job, but make a third of what we did around 2000-01. There is a reason unions were formed, and they raise the standard for ALL workers.
Obama and America strategies to return to itself and its security after the war on terrorism
Obama as president of the United States gives a political outcome familiar with the ability to continue as president
1 - world peace between Islam and Christianity
2 - the U.S. military and return to homeland
3- America returned to itself and its security after the war on terrorism
4 - re-look at the middle class in America in terms of taxes and health care insurance
5 - Education, Youth and Unemployment
in the total of these five tracks mean that president obama have ability to continue as president
The failed leadership of Willard Mitt Romney while governor of Massachusetts is stunning. His state ranked 47th out of 50 in job creation, 4 straight years of manufacturing sector job losses, what few jobs that were created, public sector outpaced private sector 6 to 1 and the state's debt increased 16.5%. With a failed leadership record like that, it is no wonder that Willard won't talk about his record as governor.
The only thing that kept the unemployment rate down was that people left the state in droves to seek employment in one of the 46 states that were doing better, thus decreasing the size of the workforce.
therman -- i have read some articles that don't agree with these stats. would you kindly provide me a link to the source.
thanks
There is a fundamental difference of opinion of what exactly the role of the different branches of government is when Obama says it is not the responsibility of the Supreme Court of strike down unconstitutional legislation...
They take their job seriously when it comes to healthcare but not when it comes to war powers -that Poet claims are everywhere and forever -that justifies the most shameful activity in order to get around the protections of this court -that without the perception of justice this court offers - would actually be far less intrusive and shameful-because poet needs to pack in as much potential for consequence as possible by making swaths of society he knows are innocent potential threats -by exploring their innocence- to force them to suppress the most shameful slaughter of other innocent citizens... all because far less intrusive and shameful means subject to the court would even be stuck down as unconstitutional...
So, as a member of a so called democracy you really need to scratch your head and wonder about the perceived benefit of your rights to enjoy the fruits of liberty -what ever the @!$%# that means-when to get around these courts-the state simply employs far more brutal and powerful and controlled act of concealed war within environments of absolutely no investigative reality holding them all together...
The pointless and horrific premeditated consequence of covert acts of war on US soil to get around the unconstitutionality of much less criminal and repulsive activity because we live under the perceived protection of this useless court...
I don't mean to get hung up on this as people get used to being military spotters weaseling as deep into society as possible to compromise entire corporations as the best way for the DOD to filter all information from a society but Holder's theory of 2 out of 3 isn't bad when it comes to legitimizing covert criminal activity actually creates the need for the most pointless and brutal slaughter to ensure the FBI is justified is spreading their no cause tin foil over the intent DOD is orchestrating -so long as it is less than conclusive to hold the tin foil together preventing any two people from speaking about it...
To further legitimize a claim of absolute power over every American -under false pretext of ensuring the very smallest measure of security which collapsed every democratic principle and value along the way-he simply spreads his no cause tin foil under the law passing branch of government while his shameful activity and slaughter intensifies and intentionally creates even more potential for consequence under the surface -bending them into a compromised position so long as their feet are stuck in the cement of no cause- while inferring the threat this activity is to their worthless and shameful careers if it ever does public. So instead of checking an out of control President they simply pass language no one completely understands that was developed behind executive privilege but that each one of these sorry ass @!$%#s realizes is to further legitimize the organic and controlled destruction of innocent United States citizens further legitimizing this power that also let the FBI and DOD use that power to keep the overall activity out of the courts since the master strategy was to re trigger the world and pack in as much pointless potential for consequence as possible to justify activity solely with the intention of bypassing the courts but of such a horrific nature that even its more appropriate-direct-reality filled-less criminal activity counter part would be laughed out of any court...
So the answer to this pointless court protecting your rights...
Make everyone necessary in the suppression of the destruction of other innocent Americans -that possessed any potential of threat to any interest-a potential threat after you determined their innocence so you can do things to them you could not do to a prisoner to keep the overall DOD intent and destruction at the core held together as you accumulate as much potential for consequence and increase your shameful slaughter around every no cause pretext and re-trigger as much of the world as you can to justify going around the court that is meant to protect our rights by striking down any much more sanitized and law abiding version of this repulsive concept...
No here here is this cowardly self serving aligned with the destruction of other fellow citizens suspended in artificial profiles in homeless shelters and institutions around the world when we have rock music in between segments but conclusive proof that we are all better without the perceived protections of any court when we have such a repulsive and comical President-writing legislation and coming up with brand new powers behind executive privilege - using the FBI as a military weapon to keep activity out of any Court as his shameful and pointless activity tries to bend everyone in the Senate even farther into a compromised position -while re-triggering as much of the world as he can-to pass even more poorly under stood legislation to strengthen his criminal power and rule where he can literally -literally -destroy any American he wants for any reason he wants while saying it was by the will of the people to a Supreme Court that still even refuses to hear the lawfully known arguments around the TSP...
Basically a game where you need to be as shameful as possible -creating as much potential of consequence as possible- to claim you can avoid this court-that would strike down anything that came close to this full blown warfare against innocent citizens being wages through their lives to avoid it...
A real grown up democracy that is worse than every dictatorship of the face of the Earth...
What ???
Let me paraphrase to try and understand what you're rambling about ...
You think Obama's criticism of the SCOTUS is a power grab to steal your freedoms and create an Obama Dictatorship.
Or is this an indictment of Presidential powers in general and that no president should have those powers?
In any case, you could have stated your point much more simply. That was like reading a manifesto by someone on lsd.
blearyeyed - I think that is what he was trying to say. And, of course, it makes no sense to anyone but Rich because he has to slant everything his way.
FREEDOM IS ALIVE!!!!!!
Ron Paul packs 10,000 - that's TEN THOUSAND at UCLA yesterday!
MSN and Fox refuse to share this so I thought that I would spread the great news!!!
Yes!
Ron! Paul! 2012!
Oh Proud - you DO KNOW there is NO WAY Ron Paul is going to be elected, right????
I'm late to the party as usual.... you just have to understand that in the LDS Church it isn't unusual for women to devote themselves to supporting their family and their husband. The gender roles are very traditional in that sense. The man is the star of the show - always.
so your point is?
Is that a bad thing. Isn't the man willing to give his life for his family, too! Sounds like a good philosophy to me!
The left prefers their traditional system of the women getting knocked up and choosing Uncle Sam as the man of the house. This produces inferior results and an entitlement mentality which means more voters for Democrats.
Capt America - I'm sure it does - to you. Some of us who are women like working as well as being a mother. Sorry you just want a woman who counts on your for every dime.
123ang - I don't know any women like that but my guess is - you do and they're probably all Republicans like Bristol Palin! You clearly are the product of the far right - inferior mentality and absolutely no social graces whatsoever! But, smart women will continue to vote Democratic since we like to make our own choices about working and our bodies. So sad for you!
It is very obvious that Mitt Romney will try to swing back and fro between the hard right and the middle in order to flip-flop his way to the presidency. That's a given, after all he is known as the flip-flopper of this race. That being said, what he will have to do is attempt to put a shine on the GOP brand. Now that will be a whole new bag of tricks. With their allieanating of women, minorites, unions, gays, the middle and lower classes, the elderly and the 99%ers. Wow, ole "Mulligan Mitt" better get out the brasso and get to shinning. Because after all he is now the flag bearer of his party. And it will be very hard for him to flip-flop on that title... Or will it???
Go figure, then go vote...
MITT ROMNEY FLIP-FLOPS
'I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.'
'There's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.'
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'It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.'
'I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.'
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'I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.'
'Ronald Reagan is... my hero.'
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'I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.'
'I did not see it with my own eyes.'
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'Roe v. Wade has gone too far.'
'I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.'
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'I will work and fight for stem cell research.'
'In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.'
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'I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose.'
'I never really called myself pro-choice.'
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'I've been a hunter pretty much all my life.'
'I'm not a big game hunter... I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will.'
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'I like mandates. The mandates work.'
'I think it's unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.'
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'This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.'
'They're not happy that my dog loves fresh air.'
Can you do one of those caption pages for Obama misspeaks?
Fox Screws better work overtime to distort the following:
Job losses per month in January, 2008: -700,000
Job gains last month, 2012: +227,000
24 straight months of private sector gob growth
GDP growth in 2008: negative 6%
GDP growth last year 2.9%
Dow Jones Average in January 2008: Under 8,000
Dow Jones Average today: 13,000+
Record domestic oil production
GM – saved by government intervention; all time record profits
Near record corporate profits across the board
Osama Bin Laden --- dead
Iraq war --- over
Rush Limbaugh--spoke
Can you do one of those caption pages for Obama misspeaks?
The President doesn't Flip Flop like Flip Romney. This is the area where Romney is king.
Suuuuure he doesn't!!! LOL!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FknJLMc84bo