PalmSpringsCalif

This what the GOP doesn't get

>>>>BOYAH<<<<<< That is for all right wing nut jobs oxymorons who claim to love America. Take that.

DEAR MSNBC, is that Hispanics, THE RACE (and then please tell me exactly how many races you are including when using this phrase) or THE DESCENDENTS OF A NATION?

I just want to know which pigeon hole you would like to throw people in today 'based on your reporting?' You know, because someone else types your stuff.

I knew republicans had lost this race from the moment I saw the MSNBC headline, "Republicans Go After Entitlements." Game, set, match!

Mitt Romney has alienated Latinos, blacks, women, seniors with his embrace of Paul Ryan, auto industry workers, independents, unemployed, the poor and the middle class leaving him rich, white people to share his vision of the country which is for rich, white people.

Yes, I agree, the bigger the Government the better we will all be. This talking point of smaller Government was a talking point that President Reagan started and we all know how much expansion happened in the 1980s. So, don’t into the Republican argument of smaller Government. It’s a myth that will never happen.

So, let the Government grow and expand.

Was this a poll of U.S. citizens or "undocumented democrats"?

Mitt Romney has alienated Latinos, blacks, women, seniors with his embrace of Paul Ryan, auto industry workers, independents, unemployed, the poor and the middle class leaving him rich, white people to share his vision of the country which is for rich, white people.

A Great point Jody. I'm hoping that after President Obama's next term, that we will see a women or another minority elected President.

While I understand your arguments that Romney may have difficulty winning the Hispanic vote and maybe the presidency, I wonder about what will happen in the House of Rep. contests (435 of them) and the Senate races (33 or 34 of them).

In 2010 the majority of voters chose Republican congressmen to make the House republican. Most voters voting for senators chose Republican senators, though not enough to take over the Senate. To date, and I know not the effort to find out daily, no news outfit, think tanks, bloggers,etc., is speaking about the congressional races. My guess is based on previous national elections is a Republican House and Senate and a Democrat president. Makes me wonder if its a case of prefering conflict in the government.

Thats like asking "Do I want my neighbor to pay my mortgage payment?" What a stupid question without explanation. Of course people want social security and medicare thats an incredible grasp of the obvious. The issue is who pays the bills. Do we continue the wealth transfer from the working poor, middle class and working wealthy to the wealthiest segment and growing everyday segment our seniors? Can we afford it? The budget gap over the next ten years for medicare alone is $8 trillion from Obama's own budget. Of course everyone would love to have the government give them something for free but what happened to personal responsibility or accountability and self reliance? Oh thats right those are dirty words to the current administration.

Exactly, anybody with a brain knows there is a role for government - especially for immigrants and minorities.

The GOP still doesn't get it: women and minorities far out number white male conservative republicans in this country. THE ONLY REPUB THAT HAS A CHANCE WILL BE A MODERATE!!! Get used to it!!!!!

There seems to be a bit of confusion with the polls. According to the poll numbers it seems most hispanics are conservative and yet they want big government. Now, that's a bit confusing.

Mitt Romney has alienated Latinos, blacks, women, seniors with his embrace of Paul Ryan, auto industry workers, independents, unemployed, the poor and the middle class leaving him rich, white people to share his vision of the country which is for rich, white people.

So it looks like Mitt will get only 1% of the vote and Barack will get the other 98% leaving another 1% for the other parties candidates. That's good.

let's not forget that a number of Democrats ALSO make up the 1% and they will vote for Obama. And, with the dissatisfaction toward the congress, I think the Democrats will pick up a number of seats in both the house and the senate. People are tired of nothing getting done because of the GOP.

Obama/Biden 2012 in a landslide

right - thats why the GOP are trying to save them

Feisty,

The white male vote is not going to win the election for him...

You're right, the white man vote wont, but the Independent voters will.

Time will tell.

The white male vote is not going to win the election for him...

Especially when white males such as myself refuse to waste my vote on Romney.

You're right, the white man vote wont, but the Independent voters will.

Well seeing how President Obama is already leading Willard by 10 points or more in every swing state, I would say the 'independents' have made up their minds...

Just wait until we go into full blown campaign mode & the debates! lol

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Uh Oh!

Not to worry though - Willard will appearing next at Taco Bell passing out free burritos for a vote!

Girl friend, I can hardly wait to hear Willard in robotic mode talking about how much he loves tacos and burritos. Ha Ha

How've you been? Tony went to Minnesota for spring break. I miss him already.

like yoou feisty, but dont care for tacco comment. obama 2012!

but dont care for tacco comment.

Sorry - only trying to point out there isn't a group Willard won't pander too...

Obama 2012 & Hillary 2016 FOR SURE!

How've you been?

Life is good Ms. Bev - we still have to take your little one to Brookfield Zoo to see the elephants! ;o)

As an independent, but speaking solely for myself, the only way I'd vote for Romney would be if Obama cedes the Democratic party's nomination to Rick Santorum.

If Rubio is chosen as Romney's VP mate, it will be astounding; the anti-Latino comments that will be filling this board.

By the way, Beverly. Hows Trayvon-mania working out for you? I noticed the liberal media is talking about it less and less now. Could that be because they realized they made a HUGE mistake in portraying some hoodrat as a little, innocent teenager? Hopefully, this will mean the END of Sharpton and Jackson after YET ANOTHER sick hoax on their part. Hopefully it will also mean the end of Black people bitching and moaning about this country, White folks, "profiling" etc...Even liberals on message boards I'm reading are wishing you people would , once and for all, just STFU and get on with trying to be productive citizens.

Feisty,

I am looking forward to it.

The taco comment is offensive, I am sure the Latino's would not appreciated it.

Have a nice day.

Well if the Latinos like a bigger government, they're just going to love Obama. A pathetic 2% GDP, 8%+ unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, nearly half the people of the country getting a government check every month, and debt added on top of debt. Looks like that free healthcare thing isn't going to work out for them though. The Latinos sure like strange things.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Just wait until we go into full blown campaign mode & the debates! lol

Oh Lord, girl fiend, Ann had better keep that nervous laughter zip file format stored. Please, please, don't activate that robot's nervous laughter file. Keep him zipped I can't stand that nervous laughter.

JoAnnaSmith1,

I live in California, and what I hear is the opposite of what the poll would like you to believe.

I prefer to wait for November, see how it plays out.

Damage123..........you again prove to everyone how racist and ignorant you are.

Talking about the Trayvon case less? Maybe. But it is still being talked about and it is far from being over. The fact that Zimmerman has now hired another attorney should be an easy enough indication to you about this fact. But maybe you weren't aware of this. Maybe FOX isn't reporting that to you. The fact that he hired another attorney indicates to me that he knows that he will be arrested and that he will need all the help he can get.

And why should Sharpton and Jackson or anyone else have to stay out of this or any other issue? I can only believe that the people having anything against Mr. Sharpton or any other civil liberty activist would be a racist white person.

If you are an example of conservatism, there should be no wonder why so many want no part of it.

I know you won't take my advice, but it would be better for you stop showing up here and took your ilk to some place more fitting of your idea about what America should look like. Perhaps the KKK has a site where you could shine.

thetotas

Feisty,

The white male vote is not going to win the election for him...

You're right, the white man vote wont, but the Independent voters will.

Time will tell.

Totas, honey its working as we speak. Check the polls. All except FOX-mussen have the President ahead of Rob-mey. As my girlfriend and I have stated just wait until campaign mode and the 3 debates. President Obama will have Willard flipping like a kitten in a blender

Feisy's taco comment is fine. This is just the thing that Sketchy would do to appear to be one of the people. Just like wearing jeans and handing out balogna subs, it won't work. If you have an elevator for your car, and several cadillacs, and put people out of work as you steal their pensions, you are completely out of touch. There is no saving Sketchy.

Obama cares! Obama/Biden 2012!

Wayne,

I get what you are saying, I really do, but the taco comment still stands. How about this, I am offended by her comment.

Bev,

I never know how to respond to your comments, except to say I disagree.

I hope all is well with you, and your family.

The republicans defending Zimmerman are more concerned about protecting their gun laws than seeing justice.

They even have their attack dog, rush, out demeaning everyone he can.

Make up lies, attack and demean women, children and anyone else who speaks up for human rights, it is the republican way.

Republicans want you to believe that gun laws are more important than human rights. Unfortunately Treyvon was already born and the republicans could not care less about the already born and their rights.

Killing an egg is murder and killing a child is defending yourself.

VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM.....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Feisty,

Sorry you feel that way, I was just trying to be honest.

Mittens panders to the voters? Come on, there is no greater pandering president than THE BARRY.

Let's see from past history of his administration, he told the gays that marriage was around the corner. What has he done to see this happens? All talk, no action?

He told the Latinos that immigration reform was just around the corner. So what does he do, deport more criminal aliens than any other president, while still talking about reform

He told the black community things will get better. So what is the unemployment rate for blacks today?

And he told the 1% that he going to take their money and redistribute it to others. That he will do if possible.

Barry panders to each group he addresses, but never produces.

Being offended by Feisty's 'taco' comment is fake outrage. You don't owe anyone an apology for it, Feisty.

Is there a red-blooded American who doesn't love tacos, for crying out loud!?

When you campaign in Wisconsin, you promote cheese and beer. In Louisiana, it's Cajun food, in the South it's barbecue, in Chicago, it's pizza and sausage... in the Southwest border states, it's tacos.

There is nothing offensive about reality. It's Willard's transparent attempt to buy votes that's offensive. And illegal.

thetotas................. Feisty made this comment...........

Uh Oh!

Factor in Willard's bold immigration reform plan of having people 'self-deport' themselves and Willard's got a major problem! lol

Then there is his 18% drop in approval amongst women voters!

Not to worry though - Willard will appearing next at Taco Bell passing out free burritos for a vote!

The white male vote is not going to win the election for him...

What specifically offends you about that comment? I have re-read the comment many times and tried to see why you feel it is offensive, but have failed to come to a logical conclusion.

Bev: Not to worry though - Willard will appearing next at Taco Bell passing out free burritos for a vote!

And watermelons in the black communities Bev?

Seems to me some folks need to adjust their political correctness setting--no one was referred to as a food item, that would be offensive. I like tacos and burritos and do not associate them with anything other than America's cultural and culinary food heritage and just plain good food which came from Mexico and Southwest Indians.

Thanks Totas,

I always look for your comments. You are always polite, though I am sometimes a little too rambunctious. I hope your and your family have a nice holiday.

The debates between the President and Nervous Nelly Romney should be fun to watch. I bet you $10,000.00 that corporations are people too.

Damage123

By the way, Beverly. Hows Trayvon-mania working out for you? I noticed the liberal media is talking about it less and less now.

Look Brain Damage

That is because you watch FUX NEWS for dumb people which has a license to LIE to dumb people like you; and does not report the news.

Could that be because they realized they made a HUGE mistake in portraying some hoodrat as a little, innocent teenager? Hopefully, this will mean the END of Sharpton and Jackson after YET ANOTHER sick hoax on their part. Hopefully it will also mean the end of Black people bitching and moaning about this country, White folks, "profiling" etc...Even liberals on message boards I'm reading are wishing you people would , once and for all, just STFU and get on with trying to be productive citizens.

You are the one who needs to STFU since you don't know W-T-F you are talking about.

There have been 2 forensic tapes proving Zimmerman is a lie, a medical doctor stating there is no way Zimmerman could have sustained a broken nose; and a witness who saw the incident.

Dr Martin Luther King would be 83 today.

He became a civil rights activist early in his career just Like Revs AL & Jackson. Rev Jesse Jackson was a lieutenant in Dr King's non-violent army out of which Rev AL was born.

FYI: Rev Jessie Jackson has brought hostages back home with a grenade on his side or an army behind or in front of him.

In 1964, King became the youngest person to receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his work to end racial segregation and racial discrimination through civil disobedience and other nonviolent means. By the time of his death in 1968, he had refocused his efforts on ending poverty and stopping the Vietnam War.

King was assassinated on April 4, 1968, in Memphis, Tennessee. He was posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1977 and Congressional Gold Medal in 2004; Martin Luther King, Jr. Day was established as a U.S. federal holiday in 1986.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr

You can believe if Dr King were alive today he'd be right out front leading a civil disobedience march for social justice!

Rev Al kicked Cnn's ass in ratings.

Again Jody, you are right on the mark.

kr-2875346

like yoou feisty, but dont care for tacco comment. obama 2012!

She can't help it... you see... She is one of the biggest racists on this blog!

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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

but dont care for tacco comment.

Sorry - only trying to point out there isn't a group Willard won't pander too...

So Feisty, only Hispanics like tacos? What a racist you are...

How would you feel about a similar comment on Blacks and chitterlings or collard greens? Not to hip on that comment I'll bet!

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

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FYI: Brain damage

Rev Jessie Jackson has brought hostages back home WITHOUT a grenade on his side or an army behind or in front of him.

Beverly................ excellent post.

I too posted a comment to damage123. I believe that person should revamp their name to braindamaged123.

Unfortunately our words are probably being wasted on people who would post such ignorant, racist remarks.

nomoresameo

I can only believe that the people having anything against Mr. Sharpton or any other civil liberty activist would be a racist white person.

REALLY?

When was the last time Sharpton or Jackson showed up to defend anyone other than a black? Those two racist b@st@rds show up only to promote themselves and to insight a riot!

And the black community is just stupid enough to buy into their cr@p!

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

I like Tacos.

JoAnnaSmith1

Bev: Not to worry though - Willard will appearing next at Taco Bell passing out free burritos for a vote!

And watermelons in the black communities Bev?

I'm black and i hate watermelons, i prefer corn-beef and cabbage!!!!!

JoAnnaSmith1

Bev: Not to worry though - Willard will appearing next at Taco Bell passing out free burritos for a vote!

And watermelons in the black communities Bev?

Sniff!

Don't kid your self; slim purveyor

There won't be many Black folks voting for or wanting his watermelons. Neither will there be many Native Americans, Asian, Hispanics, women, or gays.

You probably want a watermelon more than blacks or you can stuff your watermelon in somewhere on the frontal part of your desperate anatomy!!!

In fact, you'll have a lot a your disposal to satisfy your depraved desires since no black people, I know and polls say want anything from Willard.

SickOfTheBickering: When was the last time Sharpton or Jackson showed up to defend anyone other than a black? Those two racist b@st@rds show up only to promote themselves and to insight a riot!

You are a pathetic racist calling others racists.

Here's a question for you. How many times have Mr. Sharton or any other civil liberty activist every personally incited a riot? How many times has a white person asked for and not received help from Mr. Sharpton about a civil rights issue they had a problem with?

And then you sink further into depravity and racism by saying that the black community is stupid. You are in true need of mental help to rise above your stupidity and racism.

Jeff: I'm black and i hate watermelons, i prefer corn-beef and cabbage!!!!!

I guess you'll have to show up in Irish community.

White Collar Auto

I like Tacos.

Finally! Something we can agree on. :)

I guess you'll have to show up in Irish community.

Obama is part Irish! :)

I'm not sure "Tacos" need to be capitalized. Certainly not those from taco bell. I refuse to capitalize that.

Bevvie: There won't be many Black folks voting for or wanting his watermelons.

You missed the point Bev, and it's not like that's the first time. Was just pointing out your bigotry.

Bevvie: You probably want a watermelon more than blacks or you can stuff your watermelon in somewhere on the frontal part of your desperate anatomy!!!

I'd say something similar to you, but that's obviously where your head resides most of the time.

nomoresameo

Beverly................ excellent post.

I too posted a comment to damage123. I believe that person should revamp their name to braindamaged123.

Unfortunately our words are probably being wasted on people who would post such ignorant, racist remarks.

Thanks, nomoresameo

S/he has a serious brain condition or disease which appears to be irreversible.

I don't know what "damage" said and will never know. His posts are like nails on a chalk board. If anything, he "damages" his own cause.

S/he has a serious brain condition or disease which appears to be irreversible.

I agree more Beverly. But she/he is not alone. Another sick minded individual is also posting filth here (sickofthebickering). I just don't understand how people like them fail to understand that they are the ones promoting racism and that is the reason that Mr. Sharpton and others are called upon to help them with their needs.

Looks like a struck a nerve there eh nomo...

Hehehehe!

You can call me what you will... but everyone knows that two self-righteous @$$holes are a racists!

They NEVER show up to defend the 'civil rights' of ANYONE other than blacks! Deny it all you want. They (and you ) sicken me!

Oh and BTW... what would you think of a National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP)? Sound racist? Think about it!

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

S/he has a serious brain condition or disease which appears to be irreversible.

Damage is one person who really should embrace the Affordable Care Act for his/her own benefit.

Pre-existing conditions (like whatever it is he/she has) are not excluded from coverage, and there is no limit on treatment.

We'd all be better off if Damage got the help he/she needs.

I have you on "ignore" sotb, so I don't have any idea what you said, but whatever it was, it's garbage. I'm getting on now, and don't need to waste time on folks like you.

Wayne-1656909

I have you on "ignore" sotb, so I don't have any idea what you said, but whatever it was, it's garbage. I'm getting on now, and don't need to waste time on folks like you.

He said as he 'wasted time' on me...

HAHAHAH!

Sorry sotb, I have no idea what you just spewed.

I have you on "ignore" sotb,

So do I, Wayne...

If you've read one of her comments you've read them all - I'm not a big fan of re-runs...

As he CONTINUES to waste time on me... :-)

kay -- So President Obama is our first Irish White Black President.

Personally I prefer to think of him as the 44th President without any other labels being necessary.

JoAnnaSmith1

Jeff: I'm black and i hate watermelons, i prefer corn-beef and cabbage!!!!!

I guess you'll have to show up in Irish community.

No, because back in 1862 my great great grand father who was Irish was born, and for some reason i guess because I'm part Irish i just love corn beef and cabbage as well as potato's and Onions

His name was John cladderbuck but changed it to John Britt.

a bit of history for you joanna alot of black are part irish!!!!

Sick.....................Yes you struck a nerve. I find it quite unnerving that people like you exist in this country. Your ignorance, racial bias and lack of concern for anyone other than a white person is disgusting. But after this post I will not allow you to distract my attention any further. Your self serving attempts for attention by posting such vile comments against other people will no longer be accepted by me. I refuse to allow you to take up any more of my day after this post.

The fact that you find me sickening is taken as a compliment. You see, I wouldn't want my thoughts to coincide with yours. You are a racist. Furthermore, the way you write and what you write proves you are either ignorant, delusional or both.

The simple fact that the NAACP ever had to come into existence is because of people exactly like you. The fact that it still exists is because of people like you. The fact that Mr. Sharpton and other civil rights activists are called upon to help the cause of another is because they get positive results more times than not and normally in a peaceful manner. But ignorant racist such as yourself don't like this so you try everything possible to fight against it.

You are a pathetic excuse for a person living in this country. you and others like you give this country a bad name.

REALLY?

When was the last time Sharpton or Jackson showed up to defend anyone other than a black? Those two racist b@st@rds show up only to promote themselves and to insight a riot!

And the black community is just stupid enough to buy into their cr@p!

Who the "F**k you calling ignorant? Since you don't have the facts; you are the dumb ass.

Jailed Sharpton Plans Hunger Strike Over Bombing
By JONATHAN P. HICKS
Published: May 29, 2001

After nearly a week in federal jails in Puerto Rico and in Brooklyn, the Rev. Al Sharpton said yesterday that he would begin a hunger strike this morning to publicize the Navy bombing exercises on the Puerto Rican island of Vieques.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/29/nyregion/29SHAR.html

Ousmane Zongo’s uncle in New York joined Reverend Al Sharpton in calling for a special prosecutor to investigate the death.

Sharpton said he was looking into bringing members of Zongo’s family to the United States–tapping on experience in the Amadou Diallo case to navigate through the bureaucratic mazes.

Outrage is mounting in New York following the death of Zongo, who was killed in a scenario strikingly similar to that of Amadou Diallo. Diallo was shot to death on February 4, 1999 in a hail of 41 bullets. Both men came to New York from West Africa in search of a better life. Both were shot dead by police. Both were unarmed. Both had no criminal record.

http://www.democracynow.org/2003/5/27/as_outrage_mounts_in_new_york

The Rev. Al Sharpton and several hundred protesters gathered outside police headquarters in Lower Manhattan, then blocked traffic entering Manhattan from the Brooklyn Bridge. The protest was one of several across the city.

The protesters expressed outrage over a Queens judge’s decision on April 25 to acquit the three detectives — Michael Oliver, Gescard F. Isnora and Marc Cooper — over the November 2006 death of Mr. Bell, who died in a hail of police bullets outside a nightclub in Jamaica, Queens, hours before he was to have been married.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/protesters-assail-acquittal-of-officers-in-sean-bell-case/?hp

Speaking outside the State Attorney's Office on Tuesday morning, the Rev. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/religion-belief/al-sharpton-PERLL000236.topic" title="Al Sharpton">Al Sharpton decried what he said was unequal treatment of the young defendants charged in the Dunbar Village attack and the teens recently arrested on charges of a rape west of http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/us/florida/palm-beach-county/boca-raton-PLGEO100100412020000.topic" title="Boca Raton">Boca Raton.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-311sharpton,0,1042033.story">http://web.archive.org/web/20080314141109/http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-311sharpton,0,1042033.story

Dunbar Village is a 246-unit public housing community located within the North Tamarind neighborhood of West Palm Beach, Florida. What does Dubar Village and the other have in common? They are Black people treated un-justifiably. Those are just a few among many other examples. Since, I'm not your personal assitasnce do your own research. Ditto Jessie Jackson

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

Look in the mirror; hater. You ugly nose is probably growing like Pinocchio's.

james-1937467

kay -- So President Obama is our first Irish White Black President.

Personally I prefer to think of him as the 44th President without any other labels being necessary.

Racial labels mean nothing to me personally, james. I pointed out that President Obama has Irish ancestry because some people don't understand how inter-related we all are in this country.

In fact, Barack Obama, Dick Cheney, Warren Buffet, Robert Duval and me (!) among thousands of others all share a common ancestor, a Frenchman named Mareen DuVal. Imagine that! Obama and Cheney are related! I hope our great great whatever grandfather isn't rolling over in his grave, wondering why his descendants can't work together for the good of a country that gave him a bright new start.

We are all Americans, and we need to remember that.

kay -- racial labels mean nothing to me either as I said in my post.

thanks

SickOfTheBickering

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Bev, you ignorant slut! (hehehe an SNL reference but appropriate nonetheless.)

Slut?????? You just made a huge mistake I reported you. I seriously doubt if you'll ever call me a Slut again!

Those defendants were not WHITE! They were (how do you say it...) BLACK HISPANICS!

And his protest on the bridge on behalf of Sean Bell... AGAIN Sean Bell was BLACK! (but thanks for making my point)

You are such an idiot, Bev!

You can't call me ignorant or an idiot. You can have no reading comprehension skills which are markedly, characteristic of an IDIOT. I DID NOT SAY THEY WERE WHITE.

OOOOOO.... she reported me!

So you admit that Sharpton only comes to the defense of BLACKS! Which was my point to begin with and proof that he is a racist himself.

BTW.... you did not need to write a novel (with a bunch of links that show just the opposite of what you are saying) to prove my point.

What a dimwit!

(clown nose, clown nose... someone like fisty show me the clown nose!)

Beverly in Chicago

SickOfTheBickering

Bev, you ignorant slut! (hehehe an SNL reference but appropriate nonetheless.)

Slut?????? You just made a huge mistake I reported you. I seriously doubt if you'll ever call me a Slut again!

Heheheh... what's the matter there Bev?

You can dish it out but you can't take it huh?

I can't count the number of times that you and Feisty have made far worse comment to JAS and NoJo... Why I even remember one time last year when Feisty wished death on one of they spouses.

Classy!

You people are like fifth grade bullies on the playground. As soon as you get punched back you run crying to the teacher!

HA!

(clown nose, clown nose.... show me the clown nose!)

Are Feisty and Bev the same person? It would seem they are. I waded in, after reading the comments from the Bev/Feisty and their fan club, I realized that if they are representative of liberal intellectual discourse then it is no surprise that they espouse the views and opinions they share, they make intelligence and liberal an oxymoron.

Insults, name calling and hyperbole are all they have to offer. Woebetide anyone not sharing their tiny world, like the bad-girls cliques in High School, they surround anyone not of their clique and attack them. Feral dogs display more intelligence and courtesy than the clique that dominates this discussion.

Foul and filthy mouths and tempers, and somehow, they think that they hold the sin qua non of opinion and reason. If they weren't so prevalent and so obnoxious, they could be pitied. They are mildly amusing and very predictable. Nothing original, just endless parroting of talking points, said points coming from a script which they injest and regurgitate ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

...and you, mygirl? What do you have to offer?

Feisty and Bev are so self ingratiating that I think their joined at the lips. Those two are clowns of NV and they know it. They also have their supporters too. Mindless, biased and can't walk alone without their support. BTW, I've never and I mean never, have I seen so many collapsed posts as these two have.

Maybe they should take the hint. Nah, I don't think so. They'll just suffer on NV for the rest of their lives and wonder why....

Bev, what's the difference between someone calling you a name and you saying this:

Who the "F**k you calling ignorant? Since you don't have the facts; you are the dumb ass.

Did you report yourself as well?

Well, Kaybe, I do endeavor to avoid name calling, personal attacks and slurs, what does the clique offer besides this? Intelligence discourse is a give and take of ideas and beliefs, it is not an attack forum which degenerates into mudslinging and disparagement of anyone not in lock-step with the clique.

Mitzi Romney appears to be in deep do do with his own party esp the woman !

mygirl, I think you will find that you can make a comment here on any side of an issue and be treated with respect, as long as your argument is respectfully and factually presented.

Name-calling, personal attacks and slurs are not the sole province of any 'clique' on NewsVine.

Apparently you have not read this thread.

Seems this article is one of many that shows Barry is the one running scared. The great divider… Can’t wait to watch him run on his merits, oh wait, he doesn’t have any!

Killing an egg is murder and killing a child is defending yourself.

VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM.....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Is that supposed to be an oxymoron? A vote for “women’s freedom” is a vote for murdering children? Funny how the liberals defend Trayvon, yet vote for abortion every day.

Fred, if you don't want children, get a vasectomy:)

I sure hope you're not promoting abortion as a form of birth control!

The Obama administration has addressed illegal immigration with the following multistep plan.

1 - Made the politically correct term for "illegal aliens" to be "undocumented immigrants"

2 - Granted Aunt Zeituni Onyango citizenship, after she ignored a judge's order to leave the country

3 - Granted Uncle Onyango Obama a get-out-of-jail free card, which was used to be released from being held by ICE, even though he is in violation of a deportation order from 1992.

4 - Issued a presidential order which granted backdoor amnesty to as many as 300,000 illegal aliens.

5 - Filed lawsuits against every state attempting to legally address the illegal alien issue

6 - Created and proliferated a lie that they are deporting more illegal aliens that any other administration

Yeah, Ana Banana! Lets base our country, our Constitution, our sovereignty and our future on somebody's "Happy Society" list! Great idea. The day we let citizens of OTHER COUNTRIES dictate to US how our country should be run, is the day America will crumble.

Also, Ana Banana. How do you know what other people's "self interests" are? Have you personally talked to every single voter in the country and asked them? Because it's either that, or you're one of those elitist condescending liberals who believe they are smarter than everyone else in the country. I report. You decide.

Sooo Brain Damaged believes his view of the Constitution is the only view.

I think I understand his position:

Corporate welfare in the form of tax incentives for corporations GOOD.

Tax incentives to traders GOOD.

Extending unemployment benefits for a class of people who worked and paid into the system all their lives BAD.

Less regulation GOOD.

Clean water, pure food and drugs BAD

and so on...I completely understand now.

The people who suggest that we consider taking some of our political ,social reforms off the successful reforms off other countries ,are not saying anything like let other countries rule us and those who claim so are using national pride to convince us not to consider better or fairer ways to solve problems. Good ideas come from anywhere. They are not exclusive to any particular place. Many of the older nations have learned by their mistakes and we would be foolish not to do so,but they have also solved problems and we would be amiss not to try following their attempts .It is foolish to repeat experiments if they are shown to have problems unless we can solve them .

China believes they are the next great nation of the world. They feel America is in decline, has weak leadership, and their time is now.

So... Torpedo...

Show me (in his comments above) where Damage123 said ANY of those things you posted. You can't because he DIDN'T!

You are SO typical of the lunatics on this site.

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

China might just be right about that, winemaker. Do you read history? Do you read current events?

Good ideas come from anywhere. They are not exclusive to any particular place. Many of the older nations have learned by their mistakes and we would be foolish not to do so,but they have also solved problems and we would be amiss not to try following their attempts .It is foolish to repeat experiments if they are shown to have problems unless we can solve them.

I totally agree, listoire. In my experience living in the Middle East and Asia for many years, it is apparent to me that those countries which close themselves to outside ideas are far less adaptable and competitive than those which use best practices from around the world.

We Americans are not doing everything best. China is developing an infrastructure that is far more modern and efficient than ours. In order to compete with an ancient and powerful culture that has vast resources and a much larger population than ours, we are going to have to do a LOT better.

Put your heads in the sand at your peril, my friends.

Yes, nothing like 'execution vans" going from prison to prison to execute people condemned for 'political dissidence and using drugs. Nothing like emulating a country that quashes EVERY form of political opposition to the ruling party. We should indeed emulate China.

China probably will not become the leader of the world, like America was. Why??? Two reasons, one economical in nature, the other, more moral. Economically, China cannot sustain its current growth. For one thing, it can not continue to grow at more than 6% a year proportionately and relative to growing inflation. In addition, China is massively overpopulated and needs a massive reduction in population to be sustainable. Because of its huge population, China cannot hope to spread prosperity among the majority of people; even with rampant poverty here in America, most families have a television and a telephone. Tens of millions of Chinese cannot. China may outgrow us overall, but it cannot hope to achieve the diversity and personal prosperity that the US has for at least another decade or two, and that is ample time for a comeback. Not to mention their growing investment bubble and balance sheet stuffed with bad loans...

Secondly, China is not an open nation. It is more open that during the 70s, but nowhere close to America or Europe. Economic success stems not only from massive investments but individual freedom and government accountability. China is a place of crony capitalism, and the government controls its population with an iron fist, not as tough as the steel fist of the 60s, but still. Only until the Chinese Communist Party opens the nation to a more democratic nation, China cannot hope to achieve true prosperity. I do not mean to be jingoistic or overly optimistic, but China has a long way to go. And I believe that America is starting to work hard again. We also have a long way to go, but I still have faith. And that is all we can have right now.

Damage, have to admit, that's pretty funny.

hahaha! damage you are too funny! have you signed up for self deportation?

Seriously! Whenever a conservative calls Obama WEAK on ILLEGAL immigration, the liberals on here start claiming that MORE ILLEGALS HAVE BEEN DEPORTED UNDER OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. Is this in fact true libs? Somebody check out the stats, please.

So tell us, when/if Hispanics supposedly say they want a larger role for government (and I believe NOTHING from the liberal media anymore after the Trayvon Fiasco), are they saying they want the Obama Admin to continue the massive deportations?

Couldn't just leave it at the unusually good joke, though, so you've lost points - like so many in either major party often do - by trying to press your advantage.

Hey Damage123...

I can see it now... campaign ads picturing Obama shoving a Hispanic grandma in a wheelchair over the... (wait for it.... wait for it....) BORDER!

HAHAHAAH!

(cliffs... cliffs... we don't need no stinking cliffs!)

(show me the clown nose, fisty!)

And I thought you conservatives were all for deportation of anyone with a skin color that differs from that of your own.

I feel sorry for conservatives like yourself who watch FAUX News. You are lied to and misguided by those you assume are giving you "fair and balanced" news stories. I really think that you should do some of your own research and maybe then (if you go look up facts) you will see that Obama is not the devil that you portray him to be. He is trying to work for the American people, but your party wants to play obstructionist politics by voting against anything that Obama proposes. Then they want to piss and moan about how Obama hasn't kept his campaign promises.

I suppose you also vote based on your beliefs about gay marriage and abortion. If so, it's people like you who should have your voting rights revoked.

If so, it's people like you who should have your voting rights revoked.

Excellent comment Wendy!

Speaking of voting rights, I think the NewsforDumbFux crowd should have to take a basic civics's test prior to being handed a ballot!

Seeing how, they're so eager to suppress everyones else's vote...

I speak several languages, therefore I listen, watch and read news reports quite frequently from different sources, and guess what? they all basically say the same thing, depending of course, if the commentator/announcer is from the left or right by which they then inject some of their own political biases. Does anyone watches the " Ed Show"? , Current Tv, Maddow, Bashir...Anyone thinks these people are telling the " truth and NOthing but the truth"? If you believe they do, then no wonder a majority of the populace in this country are so abyssmally ignorant of politics in general, ascribing good intentions only to their own party's politicians who never, never lie or strech the "truth".

@ Wendy. That's not true. I'm conservative and I do not believe that all the Germans, Dutch, Swedes, and Norwegians should be deported.

J. Sh.

I watch them. I know that they are not 100% truthful, but sadly they are the best (besides the moderate CNN) and are close to the truth. I wish we had laws advocating less partisan and more neutral media coverage, but alas, this is a democracy. Well, all we can do is make the best of it. Nowadays, it seems that liberalism is the truth, as rational-minded conservatives who are willing to compromise is dead and has been superseded by radical conservatism. It ain't perfect, but it's all we got.

Romney has always been a conservative, except when he hasn't been.

Mitt will save some big bucks if he passes out tacos instead of subs. Taco bell has a 12 pack now! Good luck Mitt! You're going to need it!

Oh, the hypocrisy of the Republican party!

They're against illegal aliens unless they are cutting their lawn or raising their kids (at a cheaper rate than an American landscaper or nanny).

They're against abortions until their mistress needs one.

They're against tax cuts for people who need them, but wealthy corporations can have all the free money they want.

They're against stimulus spending but happily hand out enormous stimulus checks in their districts.

They vote against their own ideas because the angry black man is now proposing it too. God forbid a democrat should be the one to make one of their ideas successful.

They rail against the bank bailouts, but supported them as they were happening.

They whine about putting people back to work, yet vote against policies that would do just that. They would rather keep their own constituents jobless than see Obama be successful.

This list goes on and on...

wendy -- how can you possibly make such comments?

you seem to suggest that all republicans are bad with no exceptions. by that logic then all democrats are good with no exceptions.

Have i understood your position correctly. if not please help me understand.

i am disappointed in your racist comment about President Obama.

Bravo, Wendy---great post.

Might I add--they supported bank bailouts when they happened but were willing to let the entire auto industry fail.

Who's tripping down the streets of the city
Smilin' at everybody she sees
Who's reachin' out to capture a moment
Everyone knows it's Wendy

I couldn't help myself. What can I say I've always loved that song!

Ok, ok, ok, I know I changed the name from Windy to Wendy.

Nevertheless, one can never dispel the healing power of poetry.

I'm not making sport of you Wendy, but seek only to give a notice of agreement.

Hypocrisy is a transparent challenge.

James - I was not making a racist comment about Obama. I love Obama and what he is trying to do. I should have put the term angry black man in quotations. I personally do not feel that he is angry enough. I love it when he gets fired and feel disappointed on the occasions when fails to show how passionate he is about key issues. I live in Houston, Tx. I work in a bar that caters to the upper middle to upper class. I hear this term all of the time from the rich white people that I serve beer to.

I detest the fact that republicans say that the democrats are out to destroy the middle class when it is the republicans who are voting against bills that will put people back to work. Don't mention Keystone either as the pipeline is unnecessary. Obama has tried to put our citizens back to work in other areas, yet like I said, republicans would rather keep their own constituents jobless than let recovery happen on the democrats watch.

With that being said, I never said that all democrats were saints either. I know they have their hypocrites too. They just aren't as bad as the republicans. There are good republicans out there. I do believe that many do care, however, they don't work at the national level. At the national level, they are trying to out zealot each other.

Disabled Voter - I've always hated that song...

There is no poison of class hatred. That is the made up reason that republicans use to make sure that they don't pay the same rate of taxes that everyone else pays and their excuse for killing medicare.

We are just asking for fairness. But all the republicans have got is lies and vaginal probes and they plan on sticking it to us one way or another.

The republicans have voted for the Ryan budget and that means taking from everyone and especially the poor and even veterans to pay for more tax cuts for the rich.

Republicans would have you believe it is more important to give tax cuts to the richest than feed the poor in our own country. After all the people did commit the crime of being born just like the pretend christians claim that they want.

VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM.....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Bob, you haven't listened to a word the President has said, have you? Instead, you've swallowed the twisted lies of GOP/ Fox propaganda.

You can spend every waking moment posting your comments here, but you won't ever be able to close the eyes or the minds of those who can think for themselves.

Your reality is a sad place where fearful and bigoted people hide.

The world is not the place you knew when you were growing up, the place where the white male was king. Time does not move backward. Americans will either adapt to current realities and learn to live together in peace and harmony for the good of everyone, or like Rome we will fall.

Progressives are the cutting edge of humanity. Conservatives resist change at their own peril.

It needs to be a fair deal for all, and the radical right doesn't want that.

VP Bob's VP choice doesn't appear to be on the top of the list any more.

Because democrats and President Obama want to increase the tax rate on the wealthy by 4 percentage points, the right calls it "class warfare". Those who have engaged in class warfare are republicans who have waged a war on the middle class and the poor since Reagan with the reverse Robin Hood scheme. What's beyond me is how so many middle class and poor conservatives accept having their own checks diminished to give to the rich. I fully support the notion that people can make as much money as they can but I also expect that those who have much share in the burden of keeping this country strong economically. Without a strong middle class, everybody loses eventually even the rich.

Yesterday a conservative posted about NASA and how President Obama doomed NASA, eliminated good paying jobs. Really? It never occurs to them that lack of revenue doomed NASA, eliminated good paying jobs. The GOP has "starved the beast" for 30 years and now everyone wonders why we don't have an ongoing space shuttle program. According to the GOP lawmakers "we're broke"; we are not broke but we cannot continue as we are either. What needs for our country do we eliminate to pay for rocket ships? I am a big fan of the space program and want to see us continue but I am a realist. It's like this folks, if WE are unwilling to pay higher taxes, we cannot afford multi-billion dollar space programs. It's that simple.

Jody,

You state that you are not understanding about the conservative middle class. I think what is beyond belief that you think that JUST because a person makes more money they should give more to the government. The government has proven time and time again that it can't handle its finances. What most people who pay taxes can't understand is how nearly 1/2 of the rest of population doesn't pay any federal income tax.

JK

Ever heard of the old saying "great power comes with great responsibility?" Well, the same applies to the rich. The rich have more power because they have more money by which to influence the government through lobbyists and such, so they ought to have more responsibility for sustaining this nation via taxes. And I don't care if the government can't manage its finances; people still have to pay taxes. Just because the government may use the money in ways you don't like doesn't allow you to stop paying taxes. So stop being a complainer and accept it. The rich have gotten fat off of the tax cuts that have been fed to them, and it is time they pay their fair share. Most pay 15%, less than what many Americans pay. So they should pay more. How conservatives can vote for trickle-down policies that widen the gap between them and the rich is a matter of psychology. And most of the so-called 47% who don't pay are either too poor, or unemployed, or on Medicare and/or Social Security. Some are cheapskates, but not all of them, and definitely not half. And I'll bet corporations are among those who don't pay, like Exxon which received a tax refund.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

DEATH TO THE RYAN BUDGET 2012

Freshiee,

How easy to lump ALL rich people together and assume that they all pay 15% and then in the same comment say that "some" of the bottom half don't pay because they are cheapsakes. When will the left realize that everyone has to pay into this system to make it work, both those that are rich and those that aren't rich. The liberal left always wants to use that same mantra of one example of a big company that doesn't pay taxes or a rich person that only pays 15%. What about the remaining wealthy people that pay far more than 15% or what about all the corporations that do pay taxes? You constantly dismiss and defect the fact that nearly 47% of the population don't pay ANY federal tax. I hate to break this to you, but if you are only relying on the rich to subsidize the remainder of this country you are in for big trouble.

ANYONE BUT OBAMA BIDEN 2012

MRWSR,

So true.

Excellent post MRWSR!!

You have any facts to support that statement MRWSR or did you just toss it out to toss it out? Interesting, you get several folks to agree with something they don't know is true. The majority of people receiving government aid are, wait for it--white.

Did not say they were the majority of all who recieve. Just that the majority of the minority is on some sort of government aide or program. That is not a secret or a made up fact. You will agrue it anyway, probly. Based on a study by Barna, African Americans by numbers (population)are on more government assitance that any other race. Whites (as you say) represent the largest race (by population). So thier numbers will be higher because there are more of them. But based on population and percentages, you are missing the big picture. Funny math seems to be the lefts only hope.

No, MRWSR, funny math is not the left's hope but it seems to be what the right uses constantly. I know what you wrote, I read it and yes, you said the majority of the minority. However, in your efforts to slant the conversation to disparage the minority as being lazy, no goods (that is what you were doing).   The article itself is discussing the size of government not just the size of social safety nets. Government is not just social safety nets. I merely pointed out that it is wrong to suggest that only the minorities receive aid. I believe government can and should be the size necessary for the population and the global connection; it doesn't matter if that is large, small as long as it is smart and meets the needs of this great country. BTW, you should use spell-check, it would make your arguments more credible.

Jody,

You are very much in the progressive mindset. Thank you for your insight to what I apparently meant to say. Did not come close to disparage anyone. Never once. This is what y'all do. Have to be on the offensive, because you can never defend your record.

I also did not make it a point that only minorities receive aid. Read the article. MSNBC is wrong and you should read the questions on the poll. Maybe you shouldn't, lately the truth has not been good to liberals.

KR,

if expanded government does not exist neither does the america we hold dear to our heart

You have bought into the social agenda of dependency. Mabey you would be serve the people and the Government of Mexico.

kr, well said. Most people, when asked about specifics, do not want the size of government decreased. The trouble is the specifics are rarely asked. Go to any GOP townhall meeting and see if a constituents asks what programs will be cut--they don't ask, they just buy the government is evil argument until they discover that Medicare and Social Security and Government-run programs and GOPers like Paul Ryan want to eliminate them and privatize them--you're on your own, seniors.

Since Ronald Reagan began it 30 years ago, the GOP has succeeded in blaming Government for our troubles while starving government in the process. The far right of the GOP has always hated social security, medicare, medicaid--hated all social safety nets. Thanks to Reagan, and Bush and Bush, now many republicans beat that same drum. What did the GOP do? They cut government revenues through constant tax cuts mostly benefiting the wealthy and added massive debt to the mix and by doing so they make those programs a larger percentage of the budget then cry about how much of the budget goes for those programs. The GOP passed an unfunded Rx program for Medicare and then yelled about how Medicare is going broke. The GOP has no problem spending multi-billions on the military industrial complex, not to mention starting two unfunded wars, yet they yell about the massive debt and demand cuts to education, infrastructure and, of course, those social safety nets.

When is the last time you were in Washington??? Go there and tell me the size of government isn't large enough now. You are buying into the socialist crap that your president is spewing. Ask Greece, Italy, and all those other bankrupt EU countries how well socialism works. Then come back and tell us it needs to be bigger.

Excellent post Kaybeetoys!

Kaybeetoys,

That helps the wealthy as well.

How? By taking the 80 to 90% of what they make.

Can't forget that beautiful speech that Rubio made about how wonderful he thought that social security and medicare were when his aged parents were using them. Rubio said it gave his parents the right to live out their lives in dignity. At the time he thought the programs should be expanded as he saw the value in his own family. Beautiful speech.

Well not any more. Rubio now thinks that social security and medicare make us weak as a nation and we should take it away from all so no one else can live out their lives in dignity like his parents.

Two, yes two flip-flopper's are better than one.

If all else fails lie, nobody is trying to take 80 to 90% of anybodies money. Yes we have the repeat-a-lie factory machine going at full force once again.

We are asking the rich to pay the same rate as the rest of us. But why argue the reality when you have a lie to spread right, MR?

How does a strong and vibrant economy help the wealthy, MRWSR?

Just for starters, imagine this scenario: The American worker becomes trained and educated to make our population the most technologically advanced and productive working force on the planet.

Why not? We have a young, vibrant and diverse work force that can and should be on the cutting edge in science and technology. We attract the best and the brightest from all over the world because we have the best universities and we are the land of opportunity.

We won't have to send jobs overseas because we can produce more innovative products and services here. We will have high employment, which leads to a wider tax base. As more people are employed in better-paying jobs, consumer spending--which is nearly 70% of our economy-- increases, making our companies more profitable.

The need for food stamps and welfare drops off.

Everyone benefits WHEN THE MAJORITY IS ECONOMICALLY VIBRANT.

Not so when only the top tier can afford to educate their children, have decent healthcare retire in security.

The other way, where only the wealthy have opportunity, is the way of a third world country.

Amazing that you want them to pay the same as you.

Me too!

So them paying more than half thier income right now means they are paying way to much.

This "fair share" is the repeat-a-lie factory machine. But I am sure you are getting a check back, spend it well while we keep working so you don't have to.

kaybeetoys, well said.

MRWSR, false argument. No one is talking about 80-90% tax rates on the wealthy. Good grief, that was Eisenhower's day but even then that was not the actual tax rate the wealthy paid. The highest rate today is 35% and because of the loopholes and where the wealth is placed, Mitt Romney paid 14%. All democrats are talking about is raising the highest rate to 39.6% as it was during the Clinton years; or a 5% surtax on incomes above a million dollars that cannot be loopholed out of paying. Mitt Romney earns $57,000 per day and pays 14% tax rate while people who earn $57,000 per year pay about 20% depending on deductions for children, etc. I'd suggest that anyone who argues that Romney is paying his fair share of taxes needs to sit down and figure out their own income and what rate they pay because I'm guessing that most FR posters are paying a much higher rate than Romney and taking home a lot less income.

Jody,

Spout off your libral talking points!

You pick and pull your nubers based on parts not wholes. You are so full of crap. But you know your preaching to the choir on this site. 14% based on part. Add up the rest. Full of crap and you really buy it.

Here is a thought... how about folks get a job and strive to the ends you describe in your scenario.... instead of playing the everyone wins and no one is the looser, and the government somehow owes me the right to free stuff and all the entitlements I can imagine. Screw that.... someone has to loose sweetheart or there can't be any winners! Those that choose not to be self sufficient and wait around for government handouts should get a boot in the arse and nothing more! If you are indeed incapeable of supporting yourself because of a legitimate ailment then by all means I will be happy to help you out, cause that's the right thing to do. However if you are able bodied and just damn lackadaisical and lazy to provide the bright future you described because you think everyone is a winner and you are owed a happy ending......NO... NOT GONNA HAPPEN! That is when you are classified as a LOOSER in my book, deserving nothing for your efforts of nothing! The constitution guarantees this.....life liberty and the pursuit of happiness! key word being pursuit....get off your dead arse and help yourself to some happiness, but don't expect that you are owed anything...cause your NOT!

My apologies for the rant, let the bleeding hearts start the flame! Don't give a damn...I don't need, nor want your approval, that's why its called an opinion, everyone gets one, and you don't have to like it, that's why it's called MY opinion!

Thanks, Jody, for your excellent response to MRWSR.

Too bad facts and reason are lost on some people.

It benefits the country as a whole, even the wealthy, when the wealthy pay taxes at a higher rate than the middle class. Tax revenues are the source of government funds to build roads, bridges, airports, schools, pay down the debt, and maintain our military might. The lower the tax revenues, the less the government has to spend on services that benefit all of us.

When the vast majority of Americans--the 99%-- can afford to participate in our consumer-driven economy, everyone benefits. When middle class tax rates are low, we have more disposable income that we can use to spend on consumer goods and services.

The wealthy are too small in numbers--1%-- to be able to buy enough consumer goods, like appliances, clothing, cars, furniture, etc. to keep our economy humming. They might stuff themselves like pigs and buy top-of-the-line everything, but they can't buy hundreds of thousands of cars and refrigerators every year.

Business owners make more when they sell more. They sell more when there are more middle class customers with disposable income to buy their products and services. It's simple economics.

Is economics no longer taught in public school?

The saving grace of the democratic system is that the 99% also have 99% of the votes.

Let's use that power to re-elect the man who works for us. :)

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Kaybeetoys,

Too bad facts and reason are lost on some people

How can you really type this, when you use the number 99%. Was not true when it started and sorry to say is still not true. Not true.

JustanotherVeteran

Here is a thought... how about folks get a job and strive to the ends you describe in your scenario.... instead of playing the everyone wins and no one is the looser, and the government somehow owes me the right to free stuff and all the entitlements I can imagine. Screw that.... someone has to loose sweetheart or there can't be any winners! Those that choose not to be self sufficient and wait around for government handouts should get a boot in the arse and nothing more! If you are indeed incapeable of supporting yourself because of a legitimate ailment then by all means I will be happy to help you out, cause that's the right thing to do. However if you are able bodied and just damn lackadaisical and lazy to provide the bright future you described because you think everyone is a winner and you are owed a happy ending......NO... NOT GONNA HAPPEN! That is when you are classified as a LOOSER in my book, deserving nothing for your efforts of nothing! The constitution guarantees this.....life liberty and the pursuit of happiness! key word being pursuit....get off your dead arse and help yourself to some happiness, but don't expect that you are owed anything...cause your NOT!

Read my words. I'm not advocating government handouts! I'm advocating an economic system where Americans get first dibs at the jobs, not the Chinese. I'm advocating a system--which is the way this country is supposed to operate-- where your pay is based on your performance, not a system whereby the heads of Fortune 500 companies take home an average of TEN MILLION dollars a year in salary and benefits, even when their businesses are bleeding red ink. Even when they've made crappy decisions that have resulted in the layoffs of thousands of American workers.

Here is a thought. How about if Americans start hiring other Americans instead of shipping our jobs to Asia? How about if Americans stop buying cheaply-made Chinese crap at WalMart and buy American-made products, even if it costs a little more?

The government owes all of us our Social Security because we paid for it! We pay our taxes and we want our government to spend that money wisely, not throw it away on useless wars like Iraq that did NOTHING for anyone except Blackwater and Halliburton.

"Someone has to lose or there can't be any winners"?? That's an illogical and damaging economic and political philosophy that is downright un-American. You need to try living in a place where that IS truly the case and maybe then you will appreciate this country and the opportunities we have that make us different from the rest of the world. Your negative viewpoint is defeatist and unpatriotic. I have lived in several third world countries and I kissed the ground every time I came back home. I will fight to stop defeatists like you and GOP purveyors of greed and lies from destroying my home as long as I have breath in my body.

You and people like you are the lazy ones. And you're selfish and short-sighted to boot. It's easier to tear down this country and the people who disagree with you than it is to inform yourself of economic reality and actually do something constructive with your life. It's easier to let Fox and Limbaugh do your thinking for you.

Ignorance won't be bliss for long, my friend.

I think you missed the part where he said, "I don't give a damn".

I'm lazy....I'm selfish....I'm short sided.....REALLY!

I am a COMBAT VETERAN for the United States Army! And you have the balls to say this!

Your right... I was lazy, when I did multiple combat tours in the desert..... I was selfish...when I raised my right hand and swore to protect this country from all enemies both foreign and domestic.... And I was short sided to uphold that oath up to and including laying down my life if need be for the cause of Liberty and this great nation.... yep you pegged it, I have no idea what I was thinking!

Laughable... simply laughable!

Seems I have heard that story so many times before since I came to this country some time ago, yet we still have the same problems now that we had many years ago. Politicians run their campaigns on the back of the " downtroden, marginalized, poor, minorities, middle class, old, young, you name it. We have spent millions, billions, trillions on all of those people, and ....what has happened, where did the money go? Were any of these groups helped at all? What do we have to show for all the money spent on them? We should have seen some improvement in their status but no they are still here and will never go away because our politicians right/left want it that way, how else are they going to win polical office if not on the back of all those " poor, downtroden, marginalized minorities...?

you forgot "modest"... /sarcasm off

JustanotherVeteran

I'm lazy....I'm selfish....I'm short sided.....REALLY!

I am a COMBAT VETERAN for the United States Army! And you have the balls to say this!

Your right... I was lazy, when I did multiple combat tours in the desert..... I was selfish...when I raised my right hand and swore to protect this country from all enemies both foreign and domestic.... And I was short sided to uphold that oath up to and including laying down my life if need be for the cause of Liberty and this great nation.... yep you pegged it, I have no idea what I was thinking!

Yes, I have the balls to say what I said because you are intellectually lazy. You lie back and let GOP propaganda do your thinking instead of doing the hard work it takes to lay out the issues and think them through logically and without prejudice.

It looks like you aren't upholding your oath to protect our country from all domestic enemies because the GOP and the anti-Americanism they have unleashed is the biggest threat facing our country...and you have let them lead you down that path.

I thank you for your service, but you aren't done serving your country yet. None of us are.

kay -- another opportunity for some dialog.

CEO pay and performance pay. Can you describe how you would measure a CEO to determine the proper payment?

Would you place celebrities and athletes in the same category as a CEO? From Forbes last year: The men and women on our annual Celebrity 100 list--the most powerful people in the entertainment business this year--earned $4.5 billion over the last 12 months by starring in films, playing basketball, walking the catwalk and more. Lady Gaga made $90M.

Regarding Social Security. Without some sort of reform our children and their's will not get what they put in. The latest tax gimic from washington caused the SS fund to not receive 2% of what was expected. We need to stop doing things like this.

Spending on wars was bad, not sure why you mentioned two companies as i imagine there are hundreds that profited handsomely. But wasteful spending is certainly not limited to war. How about the money spent on duplicate government entities as reported last year: For instance, the GAO says the government could save up to $5.7 billion annually by addressing potentially duplicative policies designed to boost domestic ethanol production.

Regarding winners and losers. Would you advocate that everyone can be a winner? Is this possible? One way may be to put more emphasis in helping those on the lower economic scale rather than trying to tear down the successful.

Fox and Limbaugh clearly have their views, probably biased but is that any different than MSNBC and Maddow? I prefer to think that no news organization lies intentionally. The latest NBC failure in the Martin case notwithstanding.

Kaybee says:

It benefits the country as a whole, even the wealthy, when the wealthy pay taxes at a higher rate than the middle class.

You have got to be kidding me! That's like saying it's ok for me to take some of your money cause you got more than I do! That is so ridiculous... Do not punish someone with higher unfair tax rates simply because they have more than you do! There you go again.... expecting to get more for less, that is a flawed system. You are not owed anything... if you want more... go get it, don't take it from someone simply because they have it and you don't! Where I come from..... that's stealing or re-distribution of wealth as the left likes to call it!

You have got to be kidding me! That's like saying it's ok for me to take some of your money cause you got more than I do! That is so ridiculous... Do not punish someone with higher unfair tax rates simply because they have more than you do! There you go again.... expecting to get more for less, that is a flawed system. You are not owed anything... if you want more... go get it, don't take it from someone simply because they have it and you don't! Where I come from..... that's stealing or re-distribution of wealth as the left likes to call it!

No, it's like saying that those who have profited handsomely by ripping off others should pay their fair share too, like Romney and his corporate raider buddies who got rich off the pensions of workers they displaced, and who pay less in taxes as a percentage of their income than you and I do.

It's OK for me to take you to court to try to get my money back if you cheated me out of it. I'm tired of paying for corporate welfare and subsidizing Big Oil.

You've been duped into supporting white collar thieves to your own detriment. I believe in liberty, equality and justice for all. I'm not going to support corporate fatcats stealing from me or my country.

You probably defend Bernie Madoff and anyone else who's stolen a bunch of money because you've been brainwashed by the GOP into believing all wealth has been earned fairly through hard work. What a lie that is.

james, many companies pay their CEO's fairly in relation to their other workers. It's up to each company to determine just compensation. I do not support the insane salaries of celebrities and athletes either. Our culture worships materialism above everything else.

I don't believe 'everyone can be a winner' but I do believe everyone deserves a system that gives us a fair shot at it. That's a founding principle of this country.

How do you figure NBC is a loser in the Martin case?

Kaybee says...

"No, it's like saying that those who have profited handsomely by ripping off others should pay their fair share too."

However KayBee that is not what your original post said....You plainly said the wealthy should pay more than the middle class! You said nothing about criminals who are ripping people off and the likes....and while there are some people who have ill gotten gains that should be dealt with.... the average wealthy person got that way one of two ways..... inheritance... or hard work. Should those people be subjected to your unfair tax laws? Because anyway you slice it... if you have one group who is mandated to pay a higher rate than another group....that my friend is not liberty, equality and justice for all... as you stated you strongly agree with! I believe that it is you that has been brainwashed.... into believing that all rich people are bad and they got rich cause they stepped on the little guy....sounds like something you should probably work on. There is no conspiracy against the poor folks....most of them are less fortunate because they choose not to pursue wealth, (with the exceptions being as I stated in a prior post, those who are physically not capable of providing because of legitimate illness or injury)....and why should they.... its much easier for them to depend on the socialist system handouts of the current administration and bitch about rich people and how they stole their money and happiness!

BTW... I am in no way shape or form RICH....Just saying before you flame me for that...lol far from it... but I am happy with my current state at this point, and I will strive to better myself in all of my endevors. I will not set by idle and depend on anyone to take care of me or mine, I will provide and protect for me and mine with every breath I have. I don't need the government to tell me what's good for me... and I don't need then to take care of me!

JustAnotherVeteran: You are attempting a discourse with someone who has completely bought into the rhetoric. Facts are immaterial. The US has the highest corporate tax rate on the planet, the liberal mind is incapable of understanding what that means. They condemn all corporations, they condemn capitalism without understanding the difference between capitalism, crony-capitalism ( the program currently in place in this country) and socialism. They demand a bigger government because they have been taught to rely on the government for all their needs.

This is indeed brainwashing and it is pervasive throughout the educational system. Folks espousing the progressive doctrine do not understand that there is a middle road and that the true role of government is not to be all pervasive and all powerful. They can't help it, they are either too young to understand self reliance and autonomy or else they believe that welfare from cradle to grave is the only way to go.

I personally want to thank you for your service to our country. The liberals do not understand sacrifice or honor or willingness to uphold the Constitution. They do not understand the value of the Constitution nor do they fully appreciate what a remarkable document it truly is.

Well stated MyGirl1....

Most folks refuse to see that government in its current state is what has driven our legitimate corporations to outsource productions. They were given two choices... move your business to a place you can afford to continue to do business.... or go out of business! While I hate to see them outsource I can't really fault them for doing what was right by themselves to continue to operate and making the hard choice to move.

Now here is a novel idea....

If the incredible corporate tax rate were removed, and say maybe an incentive put in its place to benefit that corporation for doing its business here in America, where I am sure they would rather be and operate since it is their country to.... maybe... just maybe we could stop the corporate outsourcing of American jobs. And get our industrial and technological corporations to come home! Where did I hear this... OH yeah... it was from those loony guys in the middle right. "The Party of NO" I think is what they are wrongly labeled now days... as we all know the real party of NO refers to the left, that which has come up with NO budget plans in almost 4 years... JUST SAYING!

Justanothervet...Let me get this right. You claim you did all these tours and for what? It was to protect this governments interests and our way of life right? Then you go and say "I don't need the government to tell me what's good for me". Hmmm, seems like the government has been telling you what's good for you for quite some time. I mean you still get benefits from the government right? Health, education, housing. Am I right? So let me get this right. Are you willing to give up all those benefits that the govenment has been telling you what is good for you? I'm trying to figure you out. On one hand you rail against the same government that you put your life on the line for so many times but yet you still take the benefits from the government that you hate so much. Smells like a little dishonesty going on here...

Really:

Guess you don't understand the concept of paying for something. The government isn't doing ANYTHING for free. Those 'benefits' you crow about are paid for with tax money.

What do you think taxes are for? Also, do you want the government in your bedroom, your body, telling you what to think? Liberals claim they don't want republicans controlling their uterus, telling them what religion to follow, etc. so why can't you understand not wanting government in your life?

@Really?- .......

you said..." Are you willing to give up all those benefits that the government has been telling you what is good for you?"

I say.....are you willing to raise your hand and lay down your life in the service of your country?

I did my time in the service of this nation....Did YOU?

That time has come and gone! Unless you have been in uniform dodging rounds.... I suggest you keep quiet about things you have no idea of! As a Combat Veteran of multiple tours....I do have VA benefits, I earned them.

No one said I hate the Government....except you ofcourse. There is a huge difference in not agreeing with the current path thatthe current administration has chosen for our country, and hating the Government. Those two things are far and away different from each other.

You said....."Smells like a little dishonesty going on here..."

I say.... Go away... I don't make a habit of feeding the trolls here!

I say.... Go away...

Gomer, NO one is going anywhere... this is still America & differing viewpoints are still acceptable...

I say, someone *cough - cough - YOU* should seek some professional help for their PTSD...

You are attempting a discourse with someone who has completely bought into the rhetoric. Facts are immaterial. The US has the highest corporate tax rate on the planet, the liberal mind is incapable of understanding what that means. They condemn all corporations, they condemn capitalism without understanding the difference between capitalism, crony-capitalism ( the program currently in place in this country) and socialism. They demand a bigger government because they have been taught to rely on the government for all their needs.

On the books, the U.S. has a high corporate tax rate, yes. But the effective tax rate paid by most major corporations is much lower:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/03/news/economy/corporate_taxes/index.htm

I am fully aware of the differences among various forms of economic systems, and I do not receive any type of government assistance.

I will gladly pit my knowledge of economics and my education against yours any time.

Not 'high' the highest rate on the planet. No other country taxes corporations at the rates which the US uses. Japan just lowered their rate, as did Great Britain, wonder why. And, yes, please enlighten me vis a vis your economic acumen. BTW, the article you posted was written in Nov of 2011. Not reflective of the current state of affairs.

PS: Fesity: 'Gomer' is how you address someone? Really?

Kaybee: A little bit more current information. You are aware that Anheuser Busch is now a Belgium company. Guess how many jobs were lost and guess why the company sold and...hint...it wasn't because people weren't drinking beer.

I would like an explanation as to why you would deem it a GOOD thing for the US having the highest corporate tax on the planet.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/04/02/morning-bell-the-highest-taxes-in-the-world/

http://blog.nrf.com/2012/03/01/countdown-to-a-dubious-corporate-tax-day/

PS: Fesity: 'Gomer' is how you address someone? Really?

Yeah - really!

If you managed to get off your high horse - you might actually learn something... honey...

Contrary to what you might think - you are nothing more or less then any other commenter on this blog!

OH MY! I have drawn the attention of the infamous "Feisty" I AM DOOMED NOW....And for the record.... the "go away" remark was my response to the defamation of character and the accusations of dishonesty. I believe it was warranted!

And P.S Feisty..... No one here really ever goes away sweetheart....this is the Internet bless your lil heart!

OH MY! I have drawn the attention of the infamous "Feisty" I AM DOOMED NOW....

OH MY!

And I have drawn the attention of someone who desperately needs some serious help!

In the meantime, little buddy - please continue to lick the mold off of Mommy's basement walls.....

One MORE time, @!$%#, take your plastic little GI Joe's on down the road - YOU are dismissed...

My goodness, what an angry person. Self-righteousness is often an indication of either profound insecurity or a rigidly dogmatic and inflexible mindset that broaches no contradiction or counter opinion.

Narcissitic personality disorder manifests itself via anger, insults and self-righteous indignation. People unfortunate enough to be so afflicted generally don't respond well to counseling or other interventions since they never admit that they are wrong and when confronted they lash out and attack rather than engage in anything resembling introspection or coherent thought.

You know Feisty... I have seen some well thought out posts from you... that I have to admit, have made me think a time or two. However I find that the majority of your posts are nothing more than a couple lines of flame.....basically because the persons comment does not line up with your left leaning opinion, and I respect your right to having your opinion Feisty,that's why they call it your opinion.....However when you stop by to flame someone and "dismiss" them without having anything relevant to contribute to the conversation it reminds me why I don't lean to the left.....you guys don't have any problem calling bullsh*t on someone Else's contributions, but you rarely have a contribution to put on the table. Maybe that's why the majority of your posts get collapsed by the community.... just not a lot of substance there most of the time.... which is terrible, I believe you could contribute so much to the conversation, as you seem to be educated and quite knowledgeable. Just my opinion.....have a wonderful evening!

kay (10.20) -- referring to the edit job the network did on the 911 call.

NBC's "Today" show ran edited audio last week that appeared to reveal Zimmerman saying, "This guy looks like he's up to no good ... he looks black."

But a transcript of the 911 call showed that Zimmerman actually said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around, looking about."

The 911 handler responded, "OK, and this guy -- is he black, white or Hispanic?"

"He looks black," Zimmerman replied.

Agreed James.... It would appear that the MSM's liberal usage of "sound bites" and creative "editing" may have played a big role here! However there are still a lot of things that don't add up just yet. I still can not come up with a scenario that justifies the use of deadly force. I just can't see pulling a gun in a fist fight....seems like things got out of hand quick and in a hurry!

Feisty always gets bent out of shape when confronted with facts and replies with childish insults. She just doesn't get the fact that once you have resorted to insults you have lost the intellectual argument. Maybe she just plain doesn't have enough "ammunition" to engage in an intellectual argument at all.

Rubio is not going to help Romney with hispanics in the southwest either.

You are wrong, Rubio wins Florida for Romney...

Wrong, Walker will win the recall and Wisconsin will go for Romney as well.

Steeler Fan:

No problem is they can pay for their education the same as the rest of us. We sent children to college WITHOUT government help the old fashioned way: we worked and saved. People lack the discipline to achieve their goals without Daddy Warbucks (Obama) giving our hard earned monies away?

With all due respect MSgt....the reason that the race issue is still an issue.....is basically cause folks such as yourself keep insisting that it's a race issue! Let it go man, that card is way overplayed. Maybe some of the "good 'Ol Boys" still have a problem with his skin color....I don't know! My problem is with the small bites that the current administration keeps taking at my civil liberties. I didn't fight for government handouts for all... I didn't fight for social entitlements.... not everyone is a winner, everyone doesn't deserve a trophy and a snack after the game.....some folks just need to spend more time at practice and less time expecting that they are owed free stuff in the end for advocating little to no effort! You should understand this MSgt... its kinda like PT, it's an induvidule effort, you get out of it just exactly what you put in to it, nothing more....nothing less! But then there is always some CSM that wants to chew your arse as the NCO cause Pvt Joe Snuffy can't pass the test!

It is NOT about his race it is about his ideaology

Brilliant, Ret_MSgt! I hope there are a lot more like you out there! I salute you.

msgt -- when you talk about President Obama do you think of him first as the 44th President of the United States or as the first Black President of the United States?

I noted above in a conversation with kay that he is the 44th, no other label needed. Would you agree with us?

Show me where the Republicans have truly tried to reach across the aisle?? I don't agree with everything President Obama has done. However, since he is getting NO help from the republicans (our way or no way) he is doing the best he can. Like I said before I am an independent and I look at all sides.

There is no letting go because it is a constant issue. The veiled attempts to says it is not are just so funny. Tell me what other reason that the Republicans have when they will vote against their own ideas. The republicans have accepted no responsibility for where this country is at. Both the Democrat and the Republicans are equally to blame. But trying to put this whole debt issue on President Obama is a joke. Why hasn't anyone questioned why President Bush did not put the cost of these two wars on the books?? Once that is answered then lets talk about the debt.

To james

I think of him as just another President. However I have paid attention to how he has been treated since he got into office. The republican saying we will do everything to make him a one term president. Calling him a liar before a joint session of congress. The lack of referring to him as Mr President, Mr Obama etc. The lack of the republican party response to the birther issue.

Need I go on.

Where is the respect that goes with the office of the President of the United States?

@Ret_MSgt

You're wasting your time trying to win over a certain element of the population. We older people know quite well the differences that exist in the present day GOP, and the party of yesteryear. There is indeed a very grave difference in what was the GOP, and what now is the NEW GOP/Teaparty. I honestly believe that the party elders are now trying to allow the Teaparty to take itself down in order to reestablish the party of the past. I too am an independent who votes according to qualification, and not party affiliation. Time will eventually reveal how the GOP plans to move their party forward. I also believe that the only thing that keeps them alive at the present, is that voters are using them to send a message of disenchantment to government. However, because of the GOP's unwillingness to work across the isle, they will undoubtedly be receiving that message come November.

msgt -- all things being being equal i believe he is being treated in a manner consistent with his immediate predecessor.

a lot has been made of the one-term comment and that is fine. i wonder, though, do you believe the Congressional leadership got together after President Bush (43) was elected to determine how they could best support him? I would doubt it. Did they say as much in public, not that i recall. Did they say as much with their opposition to him, I would say so.

the birther thing is interesting. something comparable could be the forged documents about President Bush's military service. Was that all Dan Rather or might there have been some democrat operatives involved?

i do believe that President Obama has brought some of this on himself. Why did he feel it necessary to hide his birth certificate, why won't he release his college transcripts? What is he hiding? I don't know if he is hiding anything but he sure raises suspicion with his lack of transparency.

I respect the office of the President and always will. The occupant at any given time has to earn the respect, it is not awarded by virtue of sitting at the big desk in the Oval Office. Over the years I have lost respect for President Obama on many levels.

James

I did not see his predecessor being call a liar in front of congress, did you? Since he had to provide proof to the election boards, which validate his compliance with the constitution, why does he have to prove anything to you? The current republican and democrat leadership accepts that he is a citizen, why can't you? I never seen or heard of any other president being asked to release their college transcripts, why is he being asked?

The office of the President of the United States commands respect from its citizens. When he is not even address as Mr. President, Mr. Obama, President Obama that shows disrespect. Even when the media was criticizing President Bush, they address him as such.

I have my issue with some of the thing he has done. However, if he cannot get the republicans to support even their own ideas, he has to what he has to do in order to try and take care of the American People.

I have lost all respect for the republicans, because in their desire to see him as a one term president, they have screwed over the American people.

If you look at his record, Romney is a moderate. It's just that things are so far left these days, even Grace Slick would look conservative.

Al Sharpton sticks up for the little guy. Stop attacking the little guy, Conservatives and Republicans!!

1. Al Sharpton 4-ever
2. Obama 4-ever
3. Be gone 4-ever Tea Baggers and extreme Conservative bigots!!!!!!

YOU"D DO FAR BETTER TO SIGN THE PETITION TO FIRE RUSH LIMPBALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Al Sharpton is a racists, that only seeks out to be a constant victim.

But that isn't Sharpton's fault. He was so busy doing "good" that he didn't have time to pay his taxes. It should all be forgiven. You wouldn't want an aging activist to spend the rest of his years in prison or poverty, would you?