And he uses the "preexisting conditions" tactic to sell it to the people. How can he not know the mandate to buy isn't going to fly? And to use the voted on and approved by "Democratically elected" officials card, what a move. They indeed were the Democrat controlled Congress with help from some Republicans to get it jammed through. Why are student loans and an extra tax on home sales included in a "healthcare' bill?

This Supreme court leans to far to the extreme right... They made corporations into people... The only way to correct the problem is for President Obama to be able to appoint a few more justices... Women, I hope...

That leaning you speak of is toward the Constitution. Not right. Not left. The correct.

Everyone is watching Roberts..I have read so many times that a few of them seem to have an agenda. If the American people can readily see this.. why can't he ? I feel the people should be able to fire a judge by voting him out ! The lifetime appointments seems to create several problems esp where spouses are concerned.

Wow...learn something every day !

Poll after poll after poll taken since heathcare reform was put on the table have shown that the American public did not and still do not want the president's reform package of mush. However, the president has "corrected" all those poll results by stating that the majority of people do support the mess of a law.

Who knew that so many polls could be taken, yet by a wave of the president's magic wand...the results of those polls now stand corrected.

I've also learned that slipping a bill thru in the middle of the night by legislative sleight of hand...well, that now has been retitled as a "strong majority" of Congress. Again....just a simple wave of the president's magic wand and like magic, we have been corrected again.

That's the big problem with owning a magic wand...the owner tends to grow to believe that everything he says is true just by the act of speaking the words.

your right, it would be better as a single payer!

your response is the same as the responses when medicare was signed into law to protect the elderly against the insurance companies.

what is so hard to understand? we all pay now, we all pay under the new law, whats the difference?

the difference, all americans are covered, not just the selected few.

In Palm...

How about Justice Kagan...who was on the president's legal team when this rancid sausage of a reform plan was put together...do you think maybe she has an agenda ???

I am we the people and i dont have a extra 3k a month to help pay for people who use the ER who have no insurance..if they had insurance it would cost them 200.00 a month..to be seen ...if NO insurance we the people pay the 3K + bill for every family member seen .. if a child has a broken arm the bill can exceed 4800.00 if no insurance..if he had insurance he would be covered by his parents ..Do the math The GOP dont want anyone to have insurance for higher profits

It is not the place of the Supreme Court, as defined in our Constitution, to worry about the "Will of the People" It is their place to determine if the law withstands the scrutiny of the Constitutional procedures and protections outlined to protect the people from their government. The Representatives and Senators were to represent the "Will of the People", and they did not. They were cowardly, refusing to answer emails or letters, taking down their phone lines, rushing to vote on something that they had not read and did not fully understand. The "will of Obama" was served by the passage of that bill and anyone who believes differently was obviously out of the country when it was voted on. I continually hear about all this protection under the law provided in the bill, but yet have any of you actually read it????? Or are you just accepting the interpretations of the media in presenting to you what the administration wants you to hear-key words, sound bytes that allow you to believe that you will get something of quality for nothing and that your personal freedoms will remain intact. For all of you who are shouting about the war on women, and the conservatives trying to take away birth control.....read the Obama Care bill and really pay attention to what your present government wants to take away from all of us. How would you like the network in place for the government to require everyone to use birth control, and the government to tell everyone who may have children and how many they may have. Beware of the power that you are defending and the people who presently control it.....and then realize that once that power is in the hands of government, it is not easily returned. Not to mention that you have no way to know who may be controlling those powers in future.

Sue...

You are correct....the Constitution wasn't written to protect the government from the will of the people, it was written to protect the people from the will of the government.

And you are also right about some folks supporting the mangled healthcare reform without knowing much more about it than the fact that the guy they voted for told them to support it.

Rumor, circulating around Washington, if the Supreme court strikes the law, Obama, is having his legal staff, trying to find a way, not to abide by the Supreme court decision, but invoke presidential powers to go forward with it's implementation. I state this is just a rumor, but from some high placed sources .

saxon...

I don't think anyone would be suprised if the White House reacted the way you describe. Personally, I'd be shocked if they didn't react that way.

THE BARRY image, you know that Constitutional scholar, would be hurt by SCOTUS ruling his law is unconstitutional.

But this radical president is scraping the bottom of the barrel with his comments. Fear mongering at the highest levels by the wonderful one.

And the liberal left of the Vine will ride the ship to the end, spinning the winning ways of THE BARRY.

Bovine fecal matter!!

More like Obamanure

Talk about ignorant, selfish, partisan fecal matter...

Tell me all you American President bashers: What is YOUR proposal to address all the citizens known as "boomers" who started reaching Medicare age beginning 2010? The number is only going to increase during the next 25 years - along with the medical expenses; WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE AS A SOLUTION if not the President's healthcare program? Anything at all?

BTW: What was passed is not the President's program; his program got amended and added to by the greedy 1%ers wanting MORE profits for themselves and their wealthy supporters. Ergo, no "single payer" in this plan. Still, it is a necessary begining and gives us a place to start.

Why don't you open your eyes, learn to think and look ahead instead of parroting RNC/TEA talking points and Koch bros. sales pitches? Instead of bashing the American President, admit something MUST be done to address the situation, and lets solve the problem.

Not as...

You criticize folks for 'bashing the American President' by bashing those same folks with witless insults...and say you want to work together. Dale Carnegie was not wrong about how to get things done !

And do you really think that everyone who doesn't agree with the current president on a particular issue, does so only on orders from the Tea Party ??? Do you really think the Tea Party has that much influence on that many people ???

Not,

If I recall, the most of the back room dealings to get this legislation passed was from the left. They were desperately trying to reign in their members and doing so made concessions to each of the holdout Democratic legislators. So if you want to complain about the "greedy 1%", then look no further than your own party. The attitude that the left adopted made it nearly impossible to have a meaningful bi-partisian collective to solve this problem. If it weren't for the arrogant left, this overhaul would have been successful. Your usual fall back of blaming people like Koch is ridiculous time and time again. It just calls to the desperation of the left in trying to cling to something to rally people around the me vs. them mentality. That is why we are in the state that we are in now.

Nice attempts at deflection guys, but you STILL have not addressed my post - only continued to repeat GOP/TEA talking points and arguements.

DO EITHER OF YOU DENY MY CONTENTION REGARDING BOOMERS AND THE HEALTHCARE COSTS THIS NATION FACES OVER THE NEXT 25 yrs.?

What solution do YOU propose? Join Ryan in giving citizens vouchers instead of healthcare?

'Nough said!

As stupid said,

What is YOUR proposal to address all the citizens known as "boomers" who started reaching Medicare age beginning 2010

"Boomers" are not the problem the uninsured is. The boomers will have medicare. Obamacare actually rapes medicare of $500 billion to help pay for provisions that have nothing to do with the "boomers".

First you say: "if not the President's healthcare program?"

In the next parargraph you state : "What was passed is not the President's program. "

So which is it... is it the President's plan or not?

I believe it is referred to as. "His signature achievement".

If Obamacare is his "signature achievement" we are in deep dodo!!

Obamacare was designed in the dark hallways & smoke filled back offices of the democrat party. It was shoved down our throat with every low down dirty trick in the book. Now it comes up to the light of the constitution and you cuss every person who opposes it. Talk about opening your eyes... You have the nerve to say anything about "talking points" when these posts are filled with daily talking points from the dnc, msnbc or the president's own website!!

Open your eyes indeed... the fact of the matter is you have been had by the very person your trying to defend. That's brilliant there , Ace, just brillant!!!! He doesn't care about the poor or the middle class, you or me, he only cares about his agenda and you fell for it hook, line and sinker... Hope and Change... yea right... Good luck with that!!

Not as stupid as yo uthink....

And MORE CAPITAL LETTERS THAT MAKE IT SEEM LIKE YOU'RE GIVING COMMANDS TO YOUR TROOPS.

And please excuse me, but I don't even know anyone who belongs to the Tea Party...so enough with the supposition that everybody who doesn't agree with your thoughts simply must be a 'TeaPeople' or whatever insulting name you choose to use.

Does this nation have healthcare cost problems...yes. Does the 'president's plan' or 'not the president's plan'...depending on your paragraph choice...address those problems...no.

And why would anyone spend the time punching in any ideas that disagree with either of your selected source's plans...only to await being told that any possible idea must certainly come from 'GOP/TEA talking points'.

yo uthink ???

RNC - TEA party must pass out a ton of dramamine to people like you.... with all that twisting, spinning, and flip-flopping you would most certainly get sick otherwise.

STILL no answer or solution to the issue eh?

Okay... didn't really expect one (primarily because you don't have any.)

Carry on with spouting the RWNJ dribble fellows; oh! AND YOU TOO Tony - that seems to be all your ilk can do.

Yeah, I know. Me and my 'ilk' are really something with all our 'twisting and spinning'...it shouldn't be shocking that nobody's stable enough to answer your questions.

Enjoy your teabagging time !

as stupid,

You have no idea what you are talking about and it's a wonder you can make a understandable statement much less an argument that's defensible!! I don't have enough time or the patience to talk to you about an issue as complex as health care, because it's waaaay over your head. I will leave with this thought... Obama said the ACA would cost 900 billion over the next ten years, the accounting technique was done with "fuzzy math" as in revenue for 10 years but expenses for 6 years. Then the CBO comes out this year with a real accounting estimate of 1.76 Trillion over 10 years. This estimate almost doubles the cost of the program and you still want to defend it!! Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about!!

Dude, just stop you are making a fool of yourself... opps too late!!

Maxx Power,

Excellent post!

Not so,

The fact that Obama's healthcare has skyrocketed in just the past two years leads me to believe that no one will be able to afford the required purchase of health care. And if the government is supposed to subsidize the difference then exactly what's the difference than now?

And who had the majority in that vote?

Mo,

A majority yes but a "STRONG" majority no...

If the Supreme Court interprets the constitution correctly then this will be overturned. Just for the record I'm not "tea people Koch republican" ... I'm an American citizen who is fiscally conservative. Thankfully I'm not a left wing nut job as many are on this site!!

Now, back to the President's "shot across the bow" comment to the supreme court...

Like I said...

this is pure Bovine fecal matter!!

The debate is not with the "majority" of the vote, the debate is with the fact that it is not a "sweeping majority", nor does it reflect an "overwhelming" majority....it squeaked by, and certainly is not even reflective of the "Will of Congress" let alone the "will of the people" Just as Obama did not actually win by majority popular vote to achieve the office of President, but by the outmoded electoral college. And you better believe if he had not won, he would have been the first to criticize the electoral college for his failure, but yet instead of acknowleging the role that it played in his election, he is telling us all how we all feel about him and his policies. Obama represents himself, his own agenda and the "will of the people", "states rights", and other central constitutional principles are just things that inconveniently get in his way.

Sue, Just looked it up on CNN,

Popular vote Obama 66,882,230 vs McCain 58,343,671. Obama actually won the popular vote in 2008 also as well as the electoral college vote. just saying

Obama has no repect for the constitution, what on earth makes you think he should have any for the Supreme Court?

Because this supreme court is not deserving of respect. And for all of you who are so opposed to the presidents health care plan and the mandate, I would like one, just ONE rational explanation as to why I should be forced to pay into Social Security and Medicare when I may not live long enough to use it?

You defend a plan doomed to fail with 2 others doomed to fail for the same reason: not enough young to cover the old that have already been suckered into the ponzi scheme? Really? why don't you just give the government your whole paycheck? Or are you just waiting for the government to pass more entitlements so they take it automatically like the rest of the income taxes?

charemor...

Because you most likely will live long enough.

"I would like one, just ONE rational explanation as to why I should be forced to pay into Social Security and Medicare when I may not live long enough to use it?"

Because most of the people can't budget for themselves. I agree with you, why pay into it when I will most likey not see it. I can budget my own money. You can thank Big Government and the Liberals to see how they can use YOUR money. So this goes back to your question, why should I pay for someones health care? You don't want to pay into SS, but you want to pay into HC? See, HC can be stopped now, SS can't be stopped, Congress is having too much fun to spend the money.

Then that is a good reason for the health care mandate. because I probably will also live long enough to need some sort of healthcare.

Read the whole 2000 pages, charemor.....you aren't going to get it. There are already all sorts of clever loopholes which will make illness and aging your fault for not living a healthy lifestyle and as such, will exclude you from treatments that you need. The government is not more noble than the private insurance companies and it is about the bottom line, how to save money. At least with private insurance, you get to choose who screws you over, with the government, you get no choice and have to pay them to decide when you live and die. Lay people, government functionaries, will be making decisions on necessary and unnecessary treatment. Under Obama care, there is a very strong likelihood that none of us will live long enough for SS and Medicare....In fact, it is designed that way, because after age 72, (which incidentally is the age at which everyone becomes eligible for SS and Medicare regardless of work history) there is a whole host of things that you will not receive in medical care, insuring that you aren't around to collect.

char...

And that is the reason you are paying into Medicare.

Sue, lots of words and a nice rant against govt mandated healthcare, but you have not answered my question as to why I should be forced to pay into Social Security and Medicare. Simple question here; why is it okay to be forced to pay into one but not the other?

I would have to guess that both Social Security and Medicare had passed Constitutional muster. It's possible that both were helped when proposed because the government was honest about the money to be paid being a "tax"...instead of a "penalty"...later changed to "penalty tax", as desribed by the White House's inept attorney pressing his case to the Supreme Court.

And to be honest, I wish I'd never paid a dime into either of those programs either, but if I live long enough I may be able to get back some of what I put in. I have much bigger problems with some of the other things my 'tax' dollars pay for in this nation of limited personal responsibility.

Keep spitting hatred, RJ, that's what you're good at!

Let's see...It's Ok for the government to use as the TeaPeople say 'my money' to give to big oil, engage in wars, tax breaks for the super rich....but, but.....never give the uninsured an opportunity to purchase health care.

TeaPeople, if you don't want to continue paying (and the insured do pay) for the uninsured, then support the ACA. Give the uninsured an opportunity to assume 'personal responsibility'!

For many of those uninsured, it was a conscious choice to use their financial resources elsewhere rather than paying for insurance....and perhaps, they gambled and lost, because now they are faced with illnesses and conditions that make them high risk, but it was still their choice. I don't think that it is fair to categorize the uninsured in such a way as to foster guilt, that they are all poor, downtrodden, underemployed and unemployed, innocent children.....Yes, these groups do have representation among those who are uninsured, but I truly believe that the folks who have lovely vacation trips, fancy cars, but refuse to have insurance taken out of their pay at work also have a goodly representation. And then there are those who are not legally here, but expect medical treatment from our system, while other citizens have to pay double to make up the short fall from the freebies. If anyone has actually been listening to the debate before the Supreme Court, it appears that one of the central promises of "no more free rides at the expense of the rest of us" is an empty promise and that there will still be a huge portion of the existing uninsured who will not be expected to pay anything towards their care....How does that help? I don't care is somebody is poor and all they can contribute is $5, then they should at least pay according to their ability and not expect everything for free. This is not going to make the problems of our society go away.

chilled...

In the past few weeks we have seen the mess with the Catholic Church with rules re-written on the fly by the HHS Secretary...the CBO doubling the cost of the ACA from what the president had told us...and now the Supreme Court looking into the possibility that ACA violates the nation's Constitution.

And you think only 'TeaPeople' aren't supporting this mess of a law ???

Sue...

Back in the beginning of the healthcare debate, I read an article by an analyst who stated that if every single person who went into a emergency room or medical clinic put $25 down on the table, the cost problem would nearly heal itself. He stated that more than enough benefits are provided to the 'poor' that they should be able to pay that fee too...and help solve the problem.

@tony-268769

The Catholic Church thingy has been resolved. TeaPeople are the loudest voices of negativity and vitriol concerning President Obama. Perhaps the pollsters are talking to and polling the uninsured concerning the mandate. Being uninsured, they don't want a law mandating that they must assume 'personal responsibiilty' for their healthcare....continue free-loading (so to speak).

I offer that if folks are against the ACA, then the root problem of treating the uninsured must be resolved. That would be to repeal the 1966 HIPAA law that mandates, hospital ER's must treat/stabilize anyone, regardless of their ability to pay!

No insurance= No care!.....Period!

The 'thingy' has not been resolved. I saw the president say that things were taken care of because "the insurance companies are going to step up". His words...'step up'.

What does "step up" mean ??? Does the president simply think insurors will pay for this free contraception benefit out of the goodness of their hearts ??? They're just going to toss a huge freebie to the women of America because the little president got his druthers stuck in a wringer ???

Yeah..."step up" with no other cost discussions and the "thingy has been resolved" ??? Doubt that very much !

You want to focus on the 'free loaders' in this nation ? You have all the time in the world to do so, since there is not a single politician out there with the stones to actually ask those that contribute nothing but bills to the rest of this nation, to start showing just a sniff of that 'personal responsibility' you mentioned to try to help the rest of us who pay their bills, try to keep costs just a bit under control.

@ tony-268769

What to say...your post is all over the place.

Catholic (religious institutions) do not have to offer contraceptive coverage (without co-pay) in their insurance policies (that the employees pay for) if it goes against their religious beliefs.

Contraception coverage otherwise is offered in the policies, free of co-pay, that employees pay for.

If you really don't like paying other folks hospital bills (the uninsured), then support the ACA that mandates that they get coverage...'that they take personal responsibility'. The ACA does just that!

So what exactly is your objection?

Catholic "churches" don't have to offer that coverage, but affiliated 'institutions' do (hospitals, school, etc). And I am sorry, but why is having to make a 'co-pay' such a problem....noooo....it simply must be completely free of charge. And not for nothing, but the president treated now Cardinal Dolen like a gnat.

The ACA is an underbudgeted mess...isn't that clear yet ? The issue with the church is a perfect example...rules being made on the fly by one of those "unelected" people the president was complaining about yesterday. Cost forecasts already doubled from what the president said they'd be...despite having no idea what the costs truly would be.

I want limited government, period. How's the United States Postal Service doing these days ??? How's your town's budget or my state's budget doing while choking to death on overblown pension contributions that are soaring out of site.

And I'm supposed to want a tidal wave of new government employees to stumble over running the nation's health care insurance system with a plan that turns into a larger Pandora's Box every time someone takes a peek inside ???

Sorry...ain't happening.

G girl...

What's that up in the sky ???? Is it a bird ??? Is it a plane ??? No...it's Superobama !!!

We all simply can't wait for four more years of this mess !