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Rick Santorum shakes hands with supporters after speaking at the Faith and Freedom Coalition Presidential Kick-Off in Pewaukee, Wis., on Saturday.
WAUKESHA, Wis. -- The current state of the Republican nominating contest was on display in Wisconsin on Saturday, with underdog Rick Santorum vigorously slamming front-runner Mitt Romney, while the former Massachusetts governor ignored his GOP rivals and focused solely on President Barack Obama.
Three of the four remaining candidates vying for the Republican nomination took the same stage within minutes of each other here at the Faith and Freedom Coalition rally. As Santorum repeated his often used line that Romney is "uniquely disqualified" to go head-to-head with Obama on the issue of health care, Romney focused on the president for creating what he called "a government-centered society."
Santorum's rhetoric against a fellow Republican is a departure from the typical remarks candidates have given at previous Faith and Freedom events held this campaign season. The group draws a variety of GOP voters, and one candidate bad-mouthing another is usually avoided. But the former Pennsylvania senator did not tone down the attacks he frequently uses on the stump.
NBC's Ron Mott reports.
"He created the blueprint for Obamacare and advocated for exactly what Obamacare is, which is a mandated health insurance program...it is exactly the Massachusetts health care plan," Santorum said of Romney. "He is uniquely disqualified."
But the former Massachusetts governor delivered a campaign speech that seemed to be geared toward a general election. It is a refined speech the candidate unveiled over the past few days, just as new polling shows him with a lead in Wisconsin and the requisite 1,144 delegates to secure the nomination looking increasingly possible.
"President Obama believes in a government-centered society. He doesn't call it that precisely, but you listen to his speeches, there's no question, he believes government guiding our lives will do a better job in doing so than individuals, pursuing their own freedoms in their own ways," Romney said.

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Mitt Romney speaks to an audience during a meeting of the Wisconsin Faith and Freedom Coalition during a campaign stop in Pewaukee, Wis., Saturday.
The GOP front-runner even took a jab at the number two man in the Obama administration, Vice President Joe Biden.
“If you’re looking for something to go after in a political sense, just listen to the Vice President. He’s got plenty of material for us,” Romney joked.
Newt Gingrich, who is running a distant fourth in Wisconsin according to the new NBC News/Marist poll, also attended the forum and also failed to hit his Republican competitors.
Gingrich spent the bulk of his 20-minute speech addressing issues of energy and religious freedoms and even touched on the upcoming recall election in the state.
“I commend you for standing there and being willing to fight to make sure we win,” the former House speaker said in response to questions regarding the recall election of Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. “I think it is clearly one of the most important elections in American history and will literally change behavior all across the country.”
Perhaps receiving the warmest reception at the event held just outside of Milwaukee, Congressman Paul Ryan spoke briefly and introduced Romney, the candidate he will vote for Tuesday in the primary.
Both Santorum and Gingrich addressed Ryan during their speeches but took different approaches.
While Gingrich called the congressman “a great guy,” Santorum referred to Ryan as “some other Wisconsinite.”
Ryan said, "I've known these gentlemen for years. Newt is a brilliant man, he's been a friend for a long time. He's got a big place in history. I served with Rick for years in congress I have nothing but good things to say about these men."
"I think we need to coalesce around the person who we think is going to be the best president...And in my humble opinion that person is Mitt Romney," said Ryan.


Note to Ryan: If Newt is such a "brilliant man", why doesn't he give it up?
Newt is making it possible for Santorum to do as well as he is. Without him as a spoiler, Romney would have walked away with it already. The whole line up of republican candidates is so weak that the weak candidates can easily be a diversion.
Newt is in the race now for the exact same reason he got into the race...He is a Republican Party Roadblock to any true Conservative gaining a coalition of Republicans support for the nomination....Both Parties by definition Big Government Liberals because that is the system that powers them...Nothing will ever change while the two party system controls the 100% of the Mainstream Media and 98.565% of the Independent Media...True Conservatives (Constitutional, Fiscal, and Social) need to abandon both parties...and that is exactly what the country needs too
"Santorum is slam drunk on Porn"
Faith and Freedom Coalition rally = Christian Taliban and Personal Restrictions Coalition rally
Santorm is a sick creep like all of the Bathroom sex lovers of the GOP (Gay Old People)
The media now are calling Romney, Santorum and Gingrich "the Big 3".
And the Big 3 appeared together in Wisconsin earlier today.
Well, the Big 3 just FAILED---NOT even close to a Paul Rally audience!
The room in which the event was held holds 720 up to approx. 1,500.
Here's CSPAN Video Proof---Kinda SEDATE looking
You can see the Big 3 any time...plenty of space.
If you want to see Paul, get there early. It'll be noisy!
Versus a rich man's "society"? From Romney's view on high, my bet that his idea of "society" is far different than ours. What an ass Obama is for trying to use government to support the poor and to help the ailing middle class while recovering the economy Romney's party gave us a few years ago. Let's see if that line gets any traction... will only work if all of us have very short memories.
My bet is that it won't work. But keep trying Mitt, you'll find something to stand for eventually... even a blind squirrel... as they say.
Beth and Jimsepa:
It's no wonder that all you democrats like to use the symbol of an ass!!!!!
I challenge the authors,Rafferty, Moe and Haake, statement validity. I reside in Wisconsin and I receive at least two recorded phone calls a day from the Romney camp slashing and slam dunking Santorum. Get it right if your going to write it!
Haha, thanks Unhappy for that second grade play ground commentary. No wonder TeaPublicans are offering up the likes of Santorum to run the country. And please, keep the inane (irritatingly silly or time-wasting) comments coming. Just proves our point more.
Thanks, I'm learning a lot from the democrats about bashing!!!!! It's a lot easier than I thought it would be.
If he finds Gingrich brilliant it might explain his moronic budget proposal. Gingrich may not be uneducated but there is nothing in his history that indicates brilliance at anything other than using political influence to become wealthy. His doctoral dissertation was on the Belgian Education System in the Congo 1945 to 1960. He did what many do and wrote a thesis pandering to the views of his dissertation director Pierre Henri Laurent whose father was a WWII Belgian Resistance hero. ff you are ever so inclined to read it try to resist the temptation.Shockingly the good works and intentions of Colonialism are eulogized for over 200 pages with little to no attention given to the position of the Congolese. His field of study was modern European and he found a job teaching at West Georgia State where his courses were so well received that he was dropped from teaching the history curriculum and moved to the Geography Dept. neither of which would grant him tenure. That is sort of like being told be happy we are keeping you on but look for another position or re-evaluate your life's work. He chose the latter much to the detriment of all but he and his accountant.
He pontificates ad nauseum on the US Constitution and US history subjects he is less well versed in than the average professor of US history to 1865 at a Community College while doing his Foghorn Leghorn Act for the Dittoheads and Creationists. He would be more believable on the history of the Fifth Republic and the Constitutional excesses of DeGaulle. If he is brilliant then actual teaching Phds in History at mainstream universities must be demigods.
jkh
Mr. Pheaniques:
Wow! Exactly 98.565 % accurate to three places past the decimal point. Could you please list for me which independent media outlets are in the pocket of the Democratic and Republican Parties and which are not? I have a calculator right here in my shirt pocket, and I would like to check the accuracy of your figures.
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Well the real Santorum came out in Janesville, WI, check out the video, he needs to be held accountable for call the President the "N" word, want proof righties check it out.
The left always knew the right are nothing but a bunch of racists.
Come on Media, why are you not covering this????
Because like I said before, if they were to cover it then there would be a lot of people on Obama's back about his racist statements in the book " Dreams from my Father" . Trust me, you don't want to go there.
oooooh, Sicktprum gettin physical, and Romney can't get Obama outta his head. It will eventually end up a threesome in someone's bed.
Sicktorum and Romney's fave song. U go Boyz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGLZqDXau98
bwahahahahahahaha
More name bashing. Makes you wonder why I think every democrat just got his GED.
I would be unhappy...If I was a dumb-ass
So, the sequence of events is this: Santorum cried Waaaaahhh! at Romney and Mitt responded by wailing Waaaaahh!! at Obama. Therefore it appears President Obama is at the top of the food chain. Yet another GOP fail...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
I fail to see how Obamacare will be more than a side issue in the upcoming campaign. Either it will be resolved against Obama by the Supreme Court, or it will be upheld and what's Obama going to say - "I used Romneycare as my guide".
Either way, it becomes a non-issue.
Santorum made a good run, but it's time to face reality.
By the way - I think Obama made a foolish blunder by injecting himself into the Trayvon Martin case. As evidence of Trayvon actually assaulting the Hispanic Zimmerman first comes out, and more menacing photos of Trayvon in his 'hoodie' emerge, Obama's comments may play well with Blacks, but not so well with Hispanics, and there are a lot more Hispanic voters in the key state of Florida than Black voters.
By the way - Trayvon was 3 inches taller than Zimmerman - something that's not obvious from the media using a photo of Trayvon that is several years old.
Obama Budget, $3.7T...express train to oblivion.
Ryan Budget, $3.5T...fast train to oblivion.
Pick your poison.
JK Hayes,
I don't disagree with your viewpoint on Gingrich and his dissertation. But, at least Gingrich's dissertation is viewable unlike the president's.
Also, no matter what you think of Newt, he was the last Speaker of the House to balance the national budget for 4 straight years. It may not be brilliant in your eyes...but I will take 4 years of whatever you want to call it right now. But, not as president of the United States.
Santorum is just an idiot. The polls show that the number one concern of all voters is the economy and unemployment. Obamacare will be a resolved issue before summer.
Sorry Roy (I like many of your comments) but i don't care if trayvon was...50 inches taller...you have no right too do what that dumb-ass zimmerman did
This is America right...you can't just go around killing people
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. blah. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, etc, etc.
Why do they talk of state to state when the whole as a country is in the same fix" you know, stifled..
Some day I will hope that our electoral will campaign for just one place" that place is..
I finally get it! Romney's not running for president, he's on a COMEDY tour! This is just a big performance art piece designed to satirize modern politics! Oh, thank GOD! For a while, I thought he was SERIOUS!
Chuckle....gotta laugh at the Liberals spewing nothing but Love for Mr. Obama.
Yep, if Mr. Obama gets re-elected, he can TRY to complete his final "transformation" of America with continuous opposition rallies at the White House and on the Congressional steps.
However, the percentage for him being re-elected is going down the tubes rather quickly. Once he exits the White House and is on his final journey to the Windy City to become Emanuel's Press Secretary, he can reflect on the following:
Yep, either Mr. Obama might win or Mr. Obama is going to LOSE big time.
"Newt" "Santorum", "Gingrich"....watever...Mr. Romney, please show Mr. Big $pender Obama OUT THE DOOR!!!
Bill for Barack I believe he is correct. Those numbers check out. 98.565% of Independent media is run by one company or another and they all have an editor-in-chief. Scary, huh? I thought he was wrong as wellm but I just forgot to carry the 1. Simple mistake. We all do it.
Wow, the queen didn't like his present, that settles it. I am now voting for a republican to take control of my bodies reproductive system.
I now know because the queen didn't like his gift that as a woman I am too stupid to know if and what a pregnancy is without a state mandated ultra sound and a 24 hour waiting period.
Here I thought this election was about the Ryan budget and the death to medicare that the republicans plan.
The republicans plan that now that our country is down and out and only the rich have popped back and raking in the money, now is the time to cut food to the poor, the children and the unemployed because we need to give tax cuts to the rich before we feed the hungry in our own country.
But now I know it is all about the queen's gift, if only she had liked it I could still vote for Obama.
Newt won't give it up because he is an incurable egomaniac with delusions.
-drop a dynamic beat-
I can't stand it, I know you planned it,
I'm gonna' set it straight, this flip-flop gate.
The dog is strapped down when I'm in here,
'Cause your crystal ball ain't so crystal clear.
So, while you sit back and wonder why,
I got a Santorum thorn stuck in my side.
Oh my God, it's a mirage!
I'm tellin' y'all it's sabotage!
So shut the hell up 'cause you can't say nothin'
I'll shut Gingrich down with a push of a button.
Everybody out and Ron Paul gone,
I'll tell you now I keep it on and on.
'Cause what you see you might not get
I support every position I ever met.
You're scheming on a thing that's a mirage.
I'm trying to tell you now it's sabotage.
Why! Our backs are now against the wall.
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage,
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage,
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage,
Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage!
I can't stand it, I know you planned it,
I'm gonna' set it straight, this flip-flop gate.
My magic underwear itches when I'm in this place,
Because I feel disgrace because you're all in my face!
But make no mistakes and switch up my channel,
Corporations are the people I like to handle.
What could it be? It's a mirage,
You're scheming on a thing that's sabotage.
mad props to MC Preibus, DJ SuperPac and the busters of Citizen's United!
out!
Ido, we don't need to wait for Mr. Obama to leave office to "find out" the stock market is over 13000. We don't need to wait to "find out" that not only was the next great depression averted, the recession is over but we are recovering despite republican attempts to the contrary. Anyway, I don't have time to rebut your list of mostly subjective commentary item-by-item - except for one. Please, no lecture on foreign policy. Engaging in two wars, based on lies, with no exit strategy, thousands dead, is not exactly a stellar record on foreign policy. It would be a laughingstock if it wasn't so deadly.
Dave,
To the best of my knowledge none of the GOP candidates have released their transcripts. A doctorate in Juris Prudence does not require a doctoral dissertation The Gingrich dissertation is neither released or unreleased it is simply available in the Tulane University Library catalogue along with all other history doctoral dissertations. It's not to difficult to access or download you just need a little patience. There is no upside to releasing a transcript it does little to validate and everything to validate previously held beliefs. Perry released his and it showed he was inept at economics and a poor student, Bush released his and it showed he received mostly Cs in A/B courses and pass fails it validated belief in his lack of intellect as opposed to showing him as a successful Ivy League graduate. To a lesser degree the same can be said for John Kerry. If Obama took courses touching on controversial subjects like The Black Power Movement, Black Revolutionary Authors, Social Activism, Reform Movements, Comparative Religions, African History or Socialism or Communism they would be distorted by the American Rightwing. I am five years older than the president and took all these classes either under or post graduate and my politics are left of the presidents who by the way is a centrist whose politics are somewhat of a disappointment to liberals and progressives. I would be seen as a fairly typical 70s History major while the president would be viewed as Huey Newton or Bobby Seales love child.
jkh
Jim Hayes-375865
...interesting discussion...I share your space on leaning left. I was a mere child in the 60's (wish I'd been born a decade earlier) but spent so much time my good liberal grandparents in VT. I also share your view of the former Speaker. When I hear folks say he is "no dummy" I have to laugh a bit. As I did when he threw out the $2.50/gal statement. When I hear him make a comment like this I am particularly insulted...if the same came from Romney or Santorum...not so much. The latter 2, I would consider "not very bright" so I can cut them some slack when they make foolish statements/promises. Gingrich, on the other hand, KNOWS his statement is false (OK..a lie) yet he makes it anyway.
Unfortunately a good share of our electorate has become so intellectually lazy they are satisfied to re-elect a Bush-type lightweight. If this were not the case, the Romney/Santorum-type campaigns would never get off the ground.
PS. I KNOW you're a reader so I'll share this...just finished the E Morris trilogy on Teddy Roosevelt. Morris did a good job of covering the President from childhood on. Political histories tell us that all of the craziness we see in our current elections is NOTHING NEW. It's always been pretty cutthroat - the only difference is the method in which the news is sanitized/delivered. A read like this one becomes somehow "comforting". If more folks would read and understand our history I think we could become more civil.
Ido - see you're back spouting your hatred and lies. Your stupidity is only overshadowed by your eagerness to show it.
Roy Wilson - yes Trayvon was 6 ft. tall, Zimmerman 5'9". However, Trayvon was 140 lbs while Zimmerman weighs in at 250 lbs. And, now it seems that experts say it is NOT Zimmerman's voice calling for help - like we didn't know that already.
Interesting Zimmerman hasn't been seen since he murdered Trayvon. He's either had to get his nose broken - to match his story - or daddy has gotten him out of the country, knowing it's only a matter of time before he is charged. What a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Oh - on another topic. Just how stupid do you have to be to have an elevator installed in your home so your wife can have her car brought up to whatever level she wants, while families are trying to figure out how to feed themselves and keep a roof over their heads? I'm guessing Romney's handlers are pulling their hair out trying to figure out why this moron doesn't have a clue!!!!
Oh and Ido - clearly you can't read or just don't have the capacity to understand. President Obama's numbers are continuing to go up every week!
President Obama consistently outpaces the GOP's crop of losers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
The only reason that Osama, I mean Obama is in office is because of his color.....it sure isn't because of his performance. I have been a democrat my whole life....I did not vote for him last election and I will be the first one to cast my vote against him come November!! God help this country!
It is amazing that 45% of the country states they will vote for Romney in a general election against Obama when Romney has proposed nothing new - not a thing that wasn't hashed over and over by other failed Republican Presidents (the last two Bushes). He says over and over he will get the economy moving. Yet, his tax policies would create a much larger deficit (unless all federal programs are cut to the bone). Moreover, Romney keeps lying that Obama has expanded government. There are less federal government employees today than when Obama took office. Moreover, Obama has proposed LESS regulation than Bush did in his first three years in office. Additionally, domestic oil production is way up - contrary to Romney's lies on Obama's allegedly failed energy policy. Romney just gives pep talks with no substance. Most of his most strident statements are outright lies. And, of course, most of his positions have changed. He will boil down in the general election. He is much less than meets the eye.
Wow, bunk. Do you wear your white sheet and hood while you type?
God help you and your blatant ignorance, Klan man.
It is a sickening thought of the republicans gaining control of our government and continuing the destruction that bush started with wars and tax cuts for the rich being the most important things for our government to do. Ryan's budget backs up the plan that the republicans have for our future.
They want to kill medicare, not only do they want to kill health care, they also want to make sure the old don't get health care either. Now that the banks have caused a crash and we have high unemployment the best thing that the Ryan budget thinks is that we need to cut programs for the poor such as food and unemployment for those who lost their jobs due to no fault of their own.
Who benefits from the Ryan budget, why the rich of course, they have to cut all programs for the needy in order to pay for more tax cuts for the richest.
The best part for the republicans is that they have a group of people ready to give up their rights in the name of freedom. Then they come on here and call liberals dumb.
VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM.....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Republican or Democrat = War. Otherwise we'd gtfo of Afghanistan, we wouldn't have attacked Libya, etc. This country has almost been constantly at war with, or, attacked other countries. What has Obama done in his 4 years? Nothing that would deserve another 4. They are all about as useful as a 12th man on an NBA team.
"Lets not make another mistake like "W" again"
You are not dumb...just clueless and a helpless pathetic worshipper of your God of Government..sad really...you need your Nanny State to wipe your behind...
"Stop Wasting you're ink, TurtieBrain"
I agree with Americans First-3238795....Completely---RIGHT-ON!!! Hopefully, "truth" and complete "honesty"---will prevail;which,it should!
Bob,,,, Your "Nanny Government" is protecting 5 states from Humana and Arcadian Management who would eliminate free market competition & send health care costs sky rocketing.
Republicans tried to spin it as Obama taking away Medicare Advantage, It had nothing to do with Medicare Advantage & was another dishonorable deception from republicans attacking America's families
All baseless lies. Every bit of it.
These cult members are ruing this country ..I don't want some weirdo who follows a fictional book that no one else cares about in my White house .I truly feel this needs to be stopped! When 88% of the people of the USA see this as the wrong path to follow . There is no place for these cult members in OUR GOVERNMENT !
Actually it is the atheists who are ruining this country. You guys are turning into cult members even going so far as to change history if you don't like it. Even the founding fathers would have had you removed if they were alive today.
Has anyone notice how their is no Republican party anymore, it's the Teaparty who has taken over. The Real Republicans are to afraid to stand up to them, but guess what the Democrat aren't and we will defeat them not only here in WI but all across this country. We will restore this country, and start to unite us as one America. I use to respect the Republicans, I may not of agreed with them, but I respected their beliefs, but I do not know who they are anymore, and they have lost all of my respect, especially after seeing how they are trying to destroy this country.
Recall Walker!!!
Let's not forget that repubtards....Hate everything...WAR on everything...restrict our rights and our freedom and give the rich more than they deserve...How is this the American way ?...IT'S NOT
Santorum is a dumb-ass...If you voted for him...what does that make you
Go to McDonalds and get another Big Mac you fat ass moron. That would make 4590840.
King of what?
I'm an independent...I care not about your politics...I'm smarter than you
I second that!
Had us removed? I don't think so. The bedrock principle of the founding of the United States was freedom of religious thought. Contrary to what you suppose, the founding fathers fully embraced the right of every individual to practice his or her chosen religion, or none at all.
Have you demonstrated the Christian values of tolerance and acceptance through your comments?
Please don't set yourself on higher moral ground than anyone else. You don't have the knowledge or the right to judge anyone here.
NO where in the Constitution of the United States of America does it say Christianity shall be the dominate religion nor shall religious law supersede secular law.
I respect the Christian religion, but I am fed up with them shoving their religious beliefs down my throat.
As for you republicans, you scream keep government out of our lives, but yet you want to limit womens rights (Santorum), you do not want gays/lesbians to have equal rights (all of them), and you could care less about having health care for the american people.
Obama/Biden 2012.
Romney said "(Obama) believes government guiding our lives will do a better job in doing so than individuals, pursuing their own freedoms in their own ways." That's ironic given how the Republican candidates and politicians have been pushing government control over our personal lives so much lately. Between contraception, education, religion, marriage, and health care, the Republican have made it very clear that they want the government to control what we can and cannot do. I don't believe I've seen that from the present administration, no matter what Romney tells people.
Unhappy-1583758, when you talk about atheists changing history, are you forgetting the large number of Republicans who quickly tried to literally rewrite history after Bachmann and Palin's gaffes last fall? Have you so quickly forgotten the proposed changes to Wikipedia right after that little Paul Revere incident, where people were rushing to alter what had been published to match the words out of a Republican's mouth, changing history to match stupidity?
The banner behind Romney says "Faith and Freedom"
We have gained a heck of a lot of faith, and freedom, under Obama.
Unless of course, to you, Faith means "Reject all except Christians" and Freedom means "Except for women, gays, people with dark skin, poor people, foreigners..."
scottyhomer your issue's can be taken care of easily if we only went back to following the constitution, You want contraceptives, no provision for them go buy your own, education, no provision for public education either, do like they did and hire your own teacher for you kids( tired of my tax dollars going to pay for education that does not even teach kids the basics anymore so we fall lower and lower in education levels worldwide).Religion you have freedom of religion NOT FREEDOM FROM RELIGION. Marriage it started and was a RELIGIOUS institution, so go get a priest to marry you and let the judge sentence people for crimes. Health care- pay the doctor out of your pocket there no provision for government run health care.
Americans First-3238795
blah blah blah KISSINGER..blah blah TWO WARS! (forget Libya) blah blah blah blah THE RICH blah blah blah TEA BAGGERS blah blah blah blah G-DUB blah blah blah RUSH blah blah BECK blah blah blah REAGAN blah blah blah TRICKLEDOWN blah blah blah WALL STREET blah blah blah blah REPUBLICANS blah blah MILLLIONAIRES blah blah blah PALIN....on and on ad nauseum.....
It's the Obama supporters that are changing the subject to ANYTHING but OBAMA!! Doing it for 4 inexcusable years now and the majority of Americans are sick and tired of it!
His spending spree has done NOTHING but put us in the hole almost double our national debt in only 3.5 years - with NOTHING to show for it except a LESS THAN AAA CREDIT RATING for the 1st time in history!
You seem to forget the majority of us voted for President Obama. Why should we believe the republican lies anymore today than we did 4 years ago?
You are living proof of how good the republican propaganda is with your repeat-a-lie mentality. You just keep pretending to yourself that we all don't know the tea party was responsible for the downgrade.
VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
"Has anyone notice how their is no Republican party anymore, it's the Teaparty who has taken over. The Real Republicans are to afraid to stand up to them, but guess what the Democrat aren't and we will defeat them not only here in WI but all across this country."
This is what Laura states. Wrong - not all Republicans are TEA party memebers, just like not all Democrats are idiots - though it seems so.
The democrats are all for generational welfare. They want everyone to have food stamps, welfare checks and Section 8 housing assistance, because if they don't WANT to work they shouldn't be forced to by the economy. They are just poor unfortunate, LAZY , dis-enfranchised people - right?
I was raised that if you want something - you work for it. You don't sit around and drink, snort, shoot up or smoke all your money and expect to have everything handed to you.
Also, don't call them poor when they have the latest smartphone, surround sound, stereo, car, rims (spinners) and whatever else they can scrounge or buy at the local market.
@NVArt
I believe your analogy for democrats is poor and off base and this is, IN MY OPINION is the problem with your response.
Not ALL Democrats want everyone to be on food stamps, welfare and Section 8 housing. Your last sentence is just plan baseless and creates a sterotype that is so out of touch.
First off - NOBODY wants to be poor, PERIOD. If you think for one minute that Poor people simply want a hand out, then you haven't been around poor people long enough. Most just want a JOB that will PAY THEM enough to ensure their bills are paid and they can afford to live on their own. MOST people that are on welfare or food stamps, don't want to be as they feel it's embarrassing. THE PROBLEM IS they are NOT afforded the opportunity to better themselves which will inturn better their lifestyle so they don't need the assistance. This is what a lot of them strive for. Then you have those that ARE lazy and WANT the system to take care of them. These are the ones that need a reality check. if you REALLY want to get people off the system, Force them to enroll in school in order to keep their benefits. If we better educate them, we won't see as many "poor" and "dis-enfranchised" with all the latest toys and gimmicks as they will understand the value of a dollar and want to do better for themselves. AGAIN, this is just my opinion.
Nobody is for generational welfare. That only exist in your vivid imagination or is that Rush's? What we are for in this time of economic downturn is feeding the people in our own country. You know, like a good christian nation would do.
Education is the only road out of poverty be it trade schools or colleges. Then the republicans slash education and then blame the poor for being poor.
Most of the poor people I know don't even have cars, much the other things you think they have. As a matter of fact I am on the board of a non-profit coffee shop that feeds the homeless and gives them a place to hang out on the couches during the day to keep warm and dry as the shelters are only open at night.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but it doesn't sound too correct to me. Reagan spun a yarn about the welfare queens with Cadillacs too that were nothing more than a pack of lies to anger his base.
Don't buy into the republican lies.
VOTE......OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
I don't know where in heck you live, bluthunder, but in the U.S.A. we sure as hell do have freedom from religion. Nobody can be forced to practice a particular religion. No one can be forced to practice any religion at all. People can be legally married by a Justice of the Peace in a non-religious ceremony.
Our freedom from religion is our most fundamental freedom because it is our freedom of thought. No one can tell us what to think in the U.S.A.
You might believe in mind control, but I do not. Yours is the ultimate form of tyranny.
kaybee That was a comment talking about following the constitution, No where does it say freedom FROM religion the ac tual wording in the first amendment is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
You do not have freedom from religion you do not have to attend a religious event, you do not have to stay and listen to what you do not agree with BUT you do not have the right to prohibit someone from professing what they believe in pertaining to religion.
Who or what is it that is prohibiting you from professing what you believe in pertaining to religion, bluthunder?
Have you been barred from entering your church or other place of worship? Have you been prohibited from freely practicing your chosen religion? Has the government declared that your religion is unconstitutional?
You have free speech and you have freedom of religion, both guaranteed by the Constitution. You also have the freedom to choose your religion, to change to another religion, or to quit religion entirely. Believe whatever you please, but don't tell me what to believe. You do not have that right.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means exactly that. Congress cannot make a law that says we must be religious in any way, or that we cannot be atheists, agnostics, paganists, cultists, or whatever else we may choose to be. We can worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster if we so choose. The Constitution gives us that right.
Americans are free to say whatever we wish regarding religion, either pro or con. The Constitution gives us that right too. You should be very grateful of our constitutional rights.
Americans First-3238795
Nobody is for generational welfare. That only exist in your vivid imagination or is that Rush's? What we are for in this time of economic downturn is feeding the people in our own country. You know, like a good christian nation would do.
Education is the only road out of poverty be it trade schools or colleges. Then the republicans slash education and then blame the poor for being poor.
AF....your words...so so true. I grew up in public school, then put myself through college. I want (and expect) nothing less for everyone.
Chosing a candidate and voting becomes so darned easy when you decide that you want more for those who have less than you.
You're right, Vermont Girl. The problem is that a lot of Americans don't want more for those who have less than them. They begrudge children, the poor, the sick, the elderly, the handicapped, and anyone who has suffered financial misfortune.
Little do they understand that our country is only as wealthy, as healthy, and as sustainable as our common people.
When they begrudge the less fortunate, little do they see that there-- but for the grace of the god they claim to believe in and obey-- go they.
@commonsense - EVERYONE in this country has the opportunity to better themselves - it is called school. But the ones living in poor neighborhoods see that stealing, dealing drugs and living on welfare is far easier than actually finishing school and working for a living.
NVArt - maybe you should climb off your high horse and realize that, right now, there are NOT enough jobs out there for everyone. So, as a country we should just let people starve? How Christian of you. And, I'm certain that you realize that more than 50% of the people on the street are veterans who have come back to no jobs or have not been able to assimilate back into a normal life. But, of course to you they are "throw aways" that we shouldn't care about. Sorry idiot, I realize these men and women made sacrifices so all of us could live free and I KNOW it is my responsibility to help them. I pity you that you don't!
NVArt... you need a reality check. Sterotyping is not the answer..... what you wrote is simply not true and shows that you live in Repubnutland... if you don't live there, you are definitely on your way.
Reality check: not everyone who lives in a poor neighborhood is a lazy criminal. Nor is the existence of a drug dealer or welfare queen the life than many aspire to.
Demonizing the poor is one of the oldest tricks in the GOP playbook.
NVArt
EVERYONE in this country has the opportunity to better themselves - it is called school.'
This is probably the best statement you have made in all your post that I've read so far. The problem with the rest of your statement which Kaybee, Loren and Seeking have told you is that not ALL poor are afforded the "OPPORTUNITY" to better themselves. I would challenge you to turn off the TV or radio from which you get your information regarding the poor and dis-enfranchised and actually go to a poor neighborhood and visit the school systems. You will see a stark contrast in the funding of poor schools vice other schools in nicer neighborhoods. You will also see the level of teaching is vastly different. I could go into vivid detail but that's for a different forum. I will agree with you that there are those that want that "quick dollar" but they are EVERYWHERE and NOT just rooted in the poor communities as you imply. When you decide to come out of your "BOX" and step outside of it you will see just how hypocritical you statements are.
Reading these posts I am reminded of this...."Whatever you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me".
Greed is good was the mantra of the 80s and the Reagan revolution. It has been building and has finally hit full force and we should be ashamed that it has.
America used to be the leader in new innovations, now our education system is way down the list. We aren't the first to market with alternative energy sources, the wave of the future. Brazil, yes Brazil of all countries is ahead of us as is Germany and France.
Forces in our country who would have us be Fascist or near Fascist have been allowed to gain power. We have allowed this because we have become lazy. Democracy takes work. Totalitarianism is easy, just do as you are told. People, by being caught up in their own mundane lives and so self centered and greedy have destroyed the very spirit of what America was in the begining and has been for 200 years.
People who have never been poor or even actually know a poor person has some cockamaimy idea of how poor people are supposedly freeloading. Some are, but most are not. They don't want to be in a state of affairs where they can't, possibly for the first time in their lives, pay their bills, buy affordable insurance or even pay for food. The poor people I know, if they have a car, it is an old beat up thing barely able to make it short distances. They may or may not have a TV and get only what they can through the air because they can't afford cable or satellite dish. Some have cell phones but those have very limited usage and are for emergencies only. Oh a few may have fancy phones, stolen or otherwise but they are few and far between.
To generalize the poor as lazy and always expecting freebies is like saying all rich people are greedy. They aren't. Bill Gates, a billionaire, is very generous but Mitt Romney isn't so much. Some rich people help the poor or elderly by throwing money in their direction while middle class people, who don't have so much to throw will roll up their sleeves and serve food at the shelter or volunteer to help people find work, shelter, a meal or security.
Religion is a very personal thing. The Constitution clearly states that the government should stay out of people's belief systems regarding religion. Yes, we have the right to be free of religion if we want. No one needs to know if another is religious or not. It is really no one else's business. Lately we have been like gossips into everybody's business. The editors of supermarket rags should be proud. Has Laura Bush had her baby by the space alien yet? Ridiculous, no? Of course it is but those rags publish such stuff. If she did it wouldn't be anybody's business anyway. What makes someone think they have a right to someone else's reproductive system, who they can and can not marry, or what their religious beliefs should or should not be. How dare them intrude in the lvies of others and then complain that the government is into our lives. The government being into businesses because those businesses can't behave responsibly is not okay but the government into a woman's reproductive system is okay? They are sick just plain sick.
The thing is we need to get involved or we won't have anything to be involved with. I am sick of the holier than thou attitude of some on the extremes and if you are also sick of it stand up, open up a window and yell,, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more". Then get off your butt and start participating in our democracy before we totally lose the democracy altogether. Get others envolved too. Democracy must include everyone or it doesn't work. It won't be easy but we must do it. Democracy- use it or lose it.
"Material"??? From the party that brought us Palin, Bachmann, Cain, Santorum and the Newtster??
The only ones Voting for Santorum are the Nutty Evangelicals and the Sick Tea ReTards, they bring shame to our Nation.
Wow, talk about bashing. Why is it that when republicans make a point they have to use logic, but when democrats want to make a point they refer back to name calling?
And you wonder why most democrats are poor.
"I'm a Unhappy Independent"
Logic and the Republican Party just don't go together.
"Patriotic American U.S.A.", you do not come across as just an unhappy independent. You come across as a complete "in the tank" democrat. You call people who vote for Santorum vile names therefore you show your true "flaming liberal", bash the American way of life, non-patriot colors. President Obama has done nothing, zero, zilch for the country except raise the national debt by unprecedented levels to what may be a nation busting $15,000,000,000,000. That's not the kind of change we needed.
I will go back Voting with the GOP if they Remove the Tea ReTards from the Party, the ReTards are destroying the GOP. #3.5, 3thirty3 !!!!!!!!
3thirty3....................Most of that $15,000,000,000,000 was added to our debt pile by George Dubya Bush. Look it up. Did you forget that Mr. I'm a Stupid Azz Republican?
So sick since when does 5 Trillion = over half of 15 Trillion? Is that that new math that was thrown out of schools years ago?
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Why are you showing your ignorance here. Do some research before you spout out crap.
SoSickoftheGop & mearly. I did do my research, when Bush took office in 2001 the debit was $5.7T and on January 20, 2009 when he left office the debt was $10.6T. That's $4.9T in 8 years. Our current president started at $10.6T and as of today is estimated at $15.6T. That's $5.0T in just 3 years. At this rate, if he is reelected went he leaves office in 2017 the debt will be $23.9T. So both of you need to do your research instead of just reacting with your knee-jerk name calling. So who's the Stupid Azz and ignorant ones now?
DBAkron, please learn to read. I didn't say he contributed over half of the $15T. He's just contributed $5T or 33% of the total in just 3 years.
...when Bush took office in 2001 the debit was $5.7T and on January 20, 2009 when he left office the debt was $10.6T. That's $4.9T in 8 years. Our current president started at $10.6T and as of today is estimated at $15.6T.
That's just creative math. Bush's last budget was passed and became effective 10-01-2008. It ran until 9-30-2009. For the first 10 months of Obam's presidency, the budget was Bush's.
You can find the numbers here.
2001 - (first Bush budget year) national debt = $5.8T
2009 - (last Bush budget year) national debt = $11.9T
Bush ran the national debt up to $12T. It took 200 years to reach $5.8T. It only took 8 years for George W. Bush, Dick ("deficit don't matter") Cheney and a Republican majority in both house (for 6 out of those 8 years) to double it! Nobody, but nobody, can spend like Republicans! And they trashed the strongest economy in the world while doing it!
@3thirty3
A couple of things to consider before you state that the president hasn't done anything but drive up the debt since he took office and this is coming from an independent point of view.
If the President hasn't done anything then the country would still be in a depression since he took office.
The only US automaker that would be left standing is Ford
There would NOT have been any jobs created in the past 26 months
My daughter who is a full time college student would not have health care.
Osama Bin Laden and his other generals would still be alive.
We would still be in Iraq.
Unemployment would be at roughly 13-15%
Our youth drop out rate for school would be at an all time high.
We would not be producing oil and gas in record numbers.
We would have defaulted on the national debt.
This is just a few things. I can go on if you like but I'm sure you get the point. Anything you care to debate with me I'll be more than happy too.........
Facts Republicans Hate:
Job losses per month in January 2008: 700,000
Job gains last month: 227,000
24 straight months of private sector gob growth
GDP growth in 2008: negative 6%
GDP growth last year 2.9%
Dow Jones Average in January 2008: Under 8000
Dow Jones Average today: 13,000+
Record domestic oil production
GMC – all time record profits
Near record corporate profits across the board
Osama Bin Laden --- dead
Iraq war --- over
You all made good points, EEngineer, Common Sense and Charlie.
What disturbs me most about Republicans is that they hate good news. They hate the idea that their brainwashed followers will have their eyes opened to reality and turn away from them. They know they can only fool ALL of the people SOME of the time...and this is not the time!
Watch for their lies and their spin to grow increasingly egregious as the economy continues to improve.
Shame on the GOP that wants power and money more than they want a strong, united, progressive country. If they won't stand together with citizens of good will to save our country, then work with all your might to call them out and defeat them in November.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Oh Unhappy - you are both unhappy and unintelligent. MOST of Democrats and Independents are not poor and about 80% of us are ten times smarter than Republicans! There are more 1% ers who are Democrats than Republicans. However, our 1% actually have no problem paying higher taxes.
The failed leadership of Willard Mitt Romney is beyond the pale. Massachusetts experimented with his "businessman experience" and elected him their governor. It was a miserable failure. 47th out of 50 in job creation, what few jobs were created, public sector out paced private sector 6 to 1. The state's debt increased by 16.5%. Romney increased government fees massively and across the board. The only reason the unemployment rate looked low, was because the size of the work force dropped as workers left in droves to go to one of the 46 states that were doing better.
A horrible, failed legacy that he refuses to talk about to this day.
"Romney said dogs are mans best friend"
www.dogsagainstromney.com
Patriotic American - unfortunately Mitt Romney isn't a dog's best friend.
Hey Great, I knew that, it was a joke. Did l go over your head ?
All we need to remember is that if Romney is elected we will all be treated worse than his dog.
Doesn't "romney" mean "to defecate in terror"?
I live in Mass during the time Of Mitt. What kind of gov cuts the budget in the middle of it by millions of dollars. Mitt did it, what would stop him from doint the same when he becomes President of the Us.
Santorum is so phony. He claims to be a conservative but apparently does not like the separation of church and state, which is one of the foundations of our constitution. Secondly, he professes, or pretends to be a good Christian but doesn't mind distorting JFK's position, which is tantamount to lying. Nor does he ever speak out against the violent Christians who kill doctors and threaten others based on their beliefs. Maybe that part about, "He who is without sin..." or the part about loving everyone, including one's enemy, escaped him. Or, maybe he just thinks that Jesus was incorrect in his teachings.
"Santorum said he would Vomit on Kennedy's Words, this Ricky is a Sick Nut"
Santorum said that the Constitution does not give us rights.
Which part of the Constitution says that Church and state must remain separate? Maybe you should actually read it first.
The Establishment Clause and the 240 years of subsequent interpretive case law.
The 1st amendment states; "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
The Supreme Court has ruled consistently for decades that the Founding Fathers (most of whom were NOT Christians) believed that there should be a separation of church and state.
You need to go back to high school and take Amerivan National Government.
It's called the First Amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
Do you need the words "shall make no law" explained to you?
Again where does it say that it should be separate? Are you sure it doesn't mean it should just go hand in hand?
Really, then I guess they forgot to read this little quote from George Washington;
Unhappy, most of the time I am sure.
But to get down to history lessons. There is some historical background on why the founders wanted a separation. That is why churches were given tax free status. The reason they gave for the separation was the Salem witch trials. They felt that the religious were too over zealous and tended to rule by the bible when our country needed to be ruled by laws. The bible says suffer no witch to live and they didn't.
With that in our history our government was set up with churches having one power structure and the government being the other. Hence the no religious qualifications to hold government office. Hence the first amendment, the very first amendment mind you.
The religious principles that should be in place in our country are dead in the republican party. Taking care of the poor, sick and homeless are the teachings that I would think a christian would believe in.
Instead the republicans just passed the Ryan budget that takes from the poor, hungry, children and are more than willing to let them starve to afford more tax cuts for the rich. So as long as you are backing the party of hate for the people don't try and make the republicans sound like the good guys with pushing their religious beliefs on us all.
VOTE FOR WOMEN'S FREEDOM.....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
American first - you are studying the "new history of the US", not the original. Look a little closer - in separation they did not want a "Church of England" i.e. Governmment dictating to the religions what they can and cannot do, NOR did they want Religions Dictating to the Government what to do.
They did not offically have a member of the clergy to lead them in prayer because there was no money to pay one. many members who wanted to have prayer met separately before each day before each session began. Despite not being able to have the clergy for the convention, they did set it that one would be present to open each session of congress. They did this because they understood that the total absense of god would lead to a fast deterioration of the nation, which would not survive.
Slap and rap time this says, Santorum is just playing Rope-A-Dope and will tire out Romney they hopefuls say. They are all losers and if this is the best America has to offer we should learn to speak Chinese........
DB - but you yourself explain it - they did not want Religions Dictating to the Government what to do.
It amazes me that a Christian Fundamentalist will totally reject the reality of man's effect of this planet / climate change; but, will readily accept that the earth was created in a mere 7-days and only about 2,000 years ago. All Evangelical right wing NUTS are stupid!
Why give Santorum coverage, the Nutty guy is a Joke !!!!!!!!
Because we have to give the same coverage to Obama and everyone knows he's a joke too.
If you don't believe in the supernatural, then you must believe that man evolved by natural means. If so, man's effect on this planet is just as natural as that of the Polar Bear. So why should the Polar Bear have priority over man? The problem is that evangelical eco-nuts don't want to share this planet with billions of other human beings. They want to exterminate the human pest or at least confine the contagion to certain areas of the planet. To accomplish that, they have defined natural plant food as harmful pollution just so they can shutdown all sources of cheap energy. It is cheap energy that allows humans to prosper and expand. But they can only stop the spread of humanity with the help of useful idiots like you, who they secretly despise.
How many drugs are you on? Come back when you are sober/ not high!
What I find most odd is they tell me that God has given me free will .. then they try to take away from me what they say God has given me .... I don't think God is amused.
Hey Unhappy, He is Sober. What's in your H20 ? #6.4
Has anyone ever noticed that most sports and political headlines have a violent connotation to them? Maybe we have grown so used to violence and war, that's the only we can converse.
Brainwashing and indoctrination are not just found in the "Enemies Of America" countries, which ever those may conveniently be at the time...
Currently it is "Radical Muslims"; this is because we are running out of countries to blame for our own meddling an the resultant Nation Building of our Imperialism.
Keeping US Citizens in a state of division and violent sensationalism is paramount to proceed to do just what advances the cause of the Top Five Percent.
Fighting amongst ourselves so the only "People" with a say in how and what laws pass are the Corporations with the largest benefits to gain by no real change at all is and has been the status quo for decades now...and the Middle Class Jobs and Manufacturing Sector have all been profitably shipped overseas.
Peace
So many low-information voters out there who don't even realize that Romney and Santorum are nothing more than wind-bags. What's their plan for America? More tax cuts for the wealthy, privatize Medicare and SS, no health care for all, outsource jobs, and, of course, start more wars. But repub voters don't really believe that because they're more focused on "freedom" and "choice" which, in my mind, simply means vote for us and we'll make sure that you're on your own.
Also, it amazes me how the repubs are so pro-life, but couldn't give a damn about the struggles and suffering of Americans who are dealing with a serious illness or accident without insurance. Or, for that matter, paying such extremely high premiums that permit them from saving for the future.
It's all about profit, greed and corruption.
Romney and Santorum are pro life only for the unborn. Once the infant is out of the womb, then he or she is on their own. Don't look to the government for any aid or assistance even with the basics like food, shelter or clothing. Get a job, don't expect access to healthcare unless you are wealthy and be ready to retire on your own despite having paid both SS and Medicare taxes. You could luck out and become wealthy or, more likely, you'll just get by.
So the democrats are all for killing children before they are born, but after they're here then they decide to take care of them? But only if they can force others to do it for them, through welfare? What kind of logic is that?
So in other words what you are telling us is that, most democrats are like dead beat dads!!!!!!
So the republicans are all for killing children after they are born with starvation or lack of health care if necessary just like in the Ryan budget. No welfare for those dead-beat children, I mean it was their fault for being born just like the christians wanted.
No wonder the republicans are neurotic you want every child to be born to every poor parent and then want to blame the parents for being too poor to support them.
The republicans passed a budget that take from the poor to give more tax cuts for the rich, oh how christian.
The republicans think it is cruel to kill an egg, but it is just fine to watch your child starve to death after it is born because that is the true christian way?
What kind of logic is that?
poet -
I agree there are whole legions of "low information voters" out there, champing at the bit to get rid of Obama and elect an unfeeling, uncaring plutocrat that is sure to continue the process of feeding the people to the corporate monster. They came out in droves in the 2010 election, and look what that got us.
Propaganda is an insidious thing. Propaganda is employed by both the Right and the Left, but in my view the propaganda coming from the Right is potentially more destructive. And propaganda is most effective on impressionable people - people who believe everything that comes at them. It is least effective with those who pay attention to what is actually happening in the world, get their news and information from multiple sources and deliberate on the merits or lack thereof on any given issue.
The most effective propaganda apparatus during my lifetime is FOX News. Most of the "news" is tainted with Right wing ideology, and their talk show hosts and opinion people, without exception, are all Right wing ideologues. I know this because I watch it sometimes (along with CNN and MSNBC). I disagree with most (but not all) of their material (presented by FOX) but I do consider it a source.
FOX is by far the most watched cable news channel, hence the plethora of "low information voters" infesting this country. I believe they are successful because they have an assortment of "Barbie Dolls" on staff - Gretchen Carlson is a former Miss America, for example. These female personalities are eye candy for a large section of their male audience.
In addition to FOX, there are Right wing radio personalities such as Rush Limbaugh and others spewing hate every day. These people are effective because they are endowed with charisma and use a style that attracts listeners, many who come to believe everything they hear on these right wing radio channels. Rush Limbaugh has tens of millions of loyal listeners - people who are unduly influenced by what they hear.
And last, with the enormous sums of corporate money, and generous gifts from plutocrats, to these so-called super-pacs, voters are inundated with hours of attack ads every day during election season. An organization called Politi-fact regularly finds blatant falsehoods in these ads, but when people who are already predisposed to vote a certain way, that's all they need to convince them. That also holds true for Democrat campaign literature to an extent.
And there is why we have so many low information voters who have the potential to screw up any election. They will believe anything they want to believe, and that's that.
Russell, you're about half way to getting it. Once you see that the two heads fighting are connected to the same body you will truly have a fuller view of the political situation in our country.
Oh unhappy - should not have gone there. The biggest dead beat Dad in the House is John Walsh (R) from Illinois. And, there is NO Democrat or Independent who is for killing children. A fetus is not a child and terminating a pregnancy in the first 3 months terminates a fetus. You should really try to catch up! The right wing lies are making you look soooooo foolish!
“If you’re looking for something to go after in a political sense, just listen to the Vice President. He’s got plenty of material for us,” Romney joked.
Sorry, not on MSNBC's First Read....no headlines with negativity toward Obama or Biden is allowed, per MSNBC's unofficial editorial director David Axelrod...
For example, there were no headlines on recent gaffes by Jolting Joe, mispronouncing a college dean's name as "Dr Pepper"..or saying President Obama's plan to get Osama was "the most audacious plan in 500 years"...
Not enough room or interest to put all that nonsense. This is not a gossip column you know!
Wiilard Roomney believes that if you give tax breaks to corporations and the wealthy that it will somehow magically trickle down and benefit the middle class. That is a fantasy and it has been proven to be the bullsh!t that it is. Willard does not actually believe the trickle down theory, he is too smart for that. He just wants the American people to believe it. As always, Willard is a liar. He has been in so many lies it is stunning. He has claimed repeatedly that he never took many political views and stances, then out comes the video tape of him doing that very thing on live television. The man is a charlatan.
Bob in Va, if you dislike MSNBC so much, why do you bother to come here? Your criticism is getting old.
Are those really news or headline material? Everyone knows Mr. Biden is a gaffe machine. So what..?
Bob - Go away!
Bob in VA - I read it so maybe it's just that comprehension is your problem. I read about Joe's gaffe and had a chuckle. Then I read about Romney's BIG gaffe - you know - putting an elevator in his house so his wife could have her car brought up to whatever level she wants it. Just and FYI - that's considered a gaffe when there are people out of jobs trying to figure out how they're going to feed their families or pay the rent! HUGE gaffe! You read that, right?????
Oh, and just for the record, even with his gaffe's, Biden can walk circles around anyone the GOP has when it comes to foreign affairs! And, he is admired by both Democrats and Republicans in Washington!
Romney was even rattled and made to look foolish in a debate by that idiotstick Rick Perry. I can't even imagine what an intelligent and articulate debater like Barack Obama will do to him. It's going to be like the heavyweight champ fighting some barfly, nobody chump It's going to be a a slaughter so lopsided and unfair it will be difficult to watch.
"The Devil Controls their Minds"
"President Obama believes in a government-centered society. He doesn't call it that precisely, but you listen to his speeches, there's no question, he believes government guiding our lives will do a better job in doing so than individuals, pursuing their own freedoms in their own ways," Romney said.
Bingo! When the GOP nominee can get the failed President one on one, and get the message thru, the polls will turn quickly.
"What's in that Pipe" ?????
BOB: Spare me the "Independent Marlboro Man" routine, OK? Conservatives have need of government just like Liberals, they just don't want to admit it. You know, it's like the Granny who says "Get your dirty "Big Government" hands off of my Medicare. LOL
This is the 21st Century in case you missed it. There are certain things that government does better. I know you worship the "for profit" world but just like police and fire fighters, or national defense for that matter, health care should be non profit. But then we'd be just like almost every other advanced, industrialized nation.
If you have a soul, it should bother you that 50 Million Americans go without decent health care and that many thousands die every year for want of decent care. You want to live in a pure, unadulterated, Capitalistic society? Then take a good look at the Robber Barons of the late 19th Century like John D. Rockefeller who practically owned the entire country. That's what you get when there are no safeguards on capitalism. And it was a Republican, Teddy Roosevelt who broke up the oil and railroad monopolies and improved the lives of average Americans dramatically.
Doubtful, Bob, doubtful.
Bob, corporations and the wealthy thrive on government grants of tax breaks, unearned subsidies of government treasure and access of tax codes unavailable to the average worker.
"President Obama believes in a government-centered society.
But Rick Santorum doesn't?? The party wanting government to control individuals it Republican Party. They want to control wnat you read, what you watch on TV, what kind of birth control (if any) you can use, you name it -republicans want to control it.
Bob in VA - you're right. Once the GOP nominee is chosen the polls will turn quickly - they will be overwhelmingly for Obama! The jokes the GOP is running have no ideas; no integrity; no plans; no nothing!
INTREPID - you hit it on the head - Bob would have to have a soul - so doesn't!
Bob inVA--Thanks for supporting a womans right to choose, Gay marriage and an end to Oil co subsidies and agricultural subsidies.
Hopefully my home state will pull through for Mitt. Plenty of us are bloody tired of the nonstop politics....
RECALL SANTA: I didn't get what I want! (have a sense of humor dems)
"have a sense of humor dems" That is very good advice for democrats OSLT, thank you. If a democrat does not have a sense of humor while watching this new, radical extremist gang of corporate thugs, that used to be the republican party, fight tooth and nail to destroy the country, that democrat will go completely NUTS, and understandably so.
Teacher, and you're home state is the state of confusion,right.
Hey teach--no sled dogs will be pulling for Mitt. Amo Amas Amat
Rich, Leroy, Charles, you libs take yourselves way too seriously...
Charles: keep working those conjugations. You might make my students level someday...you can ask them when you work for them. Smile!
Who is the government? um, let's see.....ah.....OH YEA, I know, it's WE THE PEOPLE! We Are The GOVERNMENT. I certainly don't want to live in a society where it's everybody for themselves and screw the other guy. The "Greed is Good" mentality seems to be the vision Romeny has for our country. Haven't we had enough of that already?
What has made this nation great for 200 years is OUR GOVERNMENT. We are a nation of laws that seeks to provide equality for all- not just for the wealthiest and most powerful.
So, when the repubs start talking about "drowning the government like a baby in bath water", and try to instill citizens fear of their own government, wise people must speak up. Of course, what they ACTUALLY WANT is no laws for themselves and their rich cronies. The rest of us are to be the workers- working for very little for them.
And what do WE the workers get- crumbs. It's more what they want us NOT to have- health care, a pension in our old age, Social Security, Medicare, safe and non-abusive working conditions, clean air to breathe and clean water to drink. Because in their minds, if we were deserving like they are- we would also be billionaires.
@Sara
That is where Liberals get it wrong...America is and has been (or has been) great because we are a nation of laws that seek to provide an equal chance for all to become wealthy and powerful
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Stretch
Scratch my butt
Ho hum
Yea Rob, that's kinda the way I always visualized you. Bet you watch lot's of "professional wrestling" too. LOL
LOL. Many sports but not that - if it is a sport. :)
When all voter's realize that what these joker's are saying is only to get people angry enough set Obama on the curb. There isn't one of them that could answer the phone at 3:00 a m with out some one else handling it.
Santorum slams Romney and says he isn't qualified to be president. But just the other day he said he would be Romney's VP if asked. Seems a bit hypocritical. And if Newt is such a brilliant man how did he get caught in an ethics violation. Smart crooks don't get caught.
So how are they crooks?
dvstryn - there is a big difference between being qualified, disqualified, and unqualified. Santorum says that Romney is uniquely disqualified because of Romney Care. He never said that Romney was "unqualified".
Romney is like one of those wealthy kids that had all kinds of toys (except Presidency), give it to him, and give it to him now.
You are very confused. Liberal Democrats are the ones who want everything handed to them without having to do anything to get it. Romney actually believes in and is living proof that success comes to those who work hard, a true American ideal.
Yea, Romney worked his way up all right. A privileged kid born with a silver spoon in his •ss I mean mouth. He certainly didn't work his way up from the factory floor to his present condition. Having your father be the head of a major auto company and the Governor of the state you grew up in sets you up for success in a way that 99% of us would never be able to experience. Romney is completely out of touch with the majority of the population of this country.
dake - last time I looked his parents paid for his education - as it should be. Romney who applied for the position, his qualifications got him the interview, he won in the interview process, and was successful by his own right. He did not get any family fortune until After his Father died in 1995.
Alina 777 :I think Newt and Santorum are the ones who played with toys in the campaign trail last week and want to be POTUS now as their toys. Remember?
Santorum slams Romney, Romney slams Obama & Wisconsin fires their republican governor --- Go figure
Santorum is the biggest jerk on earth....he knows he can't win...he is being destructive to the GOP. What a jerk.
The smartest thing Santorum ever did was throwing a monkey wrench into the nomination. Hope he keeps it up.
I feel that is a good thing. Someone like Santorum can destroy the party. Then it can be rebuilt into more of what it was before they because religious extremists.
Romney cannot win unless both Santorum and Gingrich drop out.
There is word that the Gringrich and Santorum Camps are looking to merge. Seems the question at hand was if it would be a Gingrich-Santorum ticket or a Santorum-Gingrich ticket. i think someone needs to eat a little more humble pie before something is worked out.
To elect any of these republican teaparty evangelical lunatic's is pure sucide for this country no matter how moch the right wing is capable of iying. And Bush Jr is no more than a death sentence for any candidate that is why he is so quiet.
To elect any republican today is pure suicide ---- They failed miserably trying to repaint the GOP as somehow worthy of leading our nation
I must commend you for fighting the good fight on this day Jim, what with the twisting death of those three bunnies weighing heavily on your mind!
"In Wisconsin, Santorum slams Romney while Romney raps Obama"
White guys should never "rap".
Buster
The best rapper is Eiminem - a white man.
DB -
Stick to your political prognostications...
DB - As usual and in spite of your firm belief to the contrary - your opinions are not fact. After all - you appear to support Santorum which demonstrates your basic lack of intelligence. You are great at yakking up useless information which no one is impressed with but you. You sir are a pedant.
Only if you could believe what Romney says in the campaign! He seems the same as Obama to me, tell you anything to get your vote! I went back and watched old campaign video's of Obama in 2007-2008, and it really ticked me off to realize all the promises he promised to what we got! The most consistent is Ron Paul, but he has to hard of a time explaining his idea's! So which crook to vote for is what its coming down too!
Obama's done a pretty damn good job at keeping his promises,,,, His using the republican's own mandate & health care plan against republicans will likely result in "Single Payer", it's what he wanted to start with
Ron Paul does a great job explaining his idea's, doesn't help when most of the US is undereducated when it comes to economics.
Agreed Derek! I did not understand why the FED was so crooked until I watched a documentary called The Creature from Jeckle Island, a documentary about the history of the FED and how it works, it really opened my eyes to why the fed must go!
Exactly Don! We must seek knowledge of how the system REALLY works...only to find there really only is a man behind the curtain.
And this wonderful clown show continues! They are all sick men! We dont want, or need, any of them!
Thermen: Excuse me but where did you get your completely phony set of statistic's? A comic book or a wet dream?
Road Agent - Thermen's statistics on Romney are spot on? I'd say the dreams are all yours!
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Polls say that the elderly will vote Republican. That means they want to do away with their Social Security and Medicare so the rich can have their taxes reduced. Guess the ones that vote Republican has alzheimers !!
BS, I'm eldery and belong to a few elderly groups ,and we would'nt vote for any Republican EVER. We may be old but we are not dumb enough to vote against ourselves,or against our principles. Republicans believe in Politics without Principle.
I have an 85 year old grandmother that is more liberal than the rest of our left leaning family members. Healthy, sharp as a whip and won't let doctors put her on unneeded medication.
Yes, she'll most likely be voting for Obama/Biden since Ron Paul doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell and the rest of the GOP contenders are complete buffoons.
Ron Paul's chance is only slim if you only watch the major news networks. If you're following real information around you would know Ron Paul could seriously receive the GOP nomination with his delegate strategy similar to Obama's 4 years ago. Remember a lot of people thought Hillary had it in the bag? Well Ron Paul is the ONLY one with a snowballs chance in hell to beat Obama and end all wars abroad with countries that have NEVER attacked us.
Derek--you are delirious if you think Ron Paul has any chance at the Repub convention. Actually, Ron Paul is closer to Obama in foreign policy and war policies than the other two religious cult members. Ole Ron would also have trouble with Women voters as he would take away their legal right to choose.