I see a flip flopper .... "LOL"

A ton of pipeline has been approved across America over the last 3 years by the Obama Administration.

Yeah!....Just ask them

What sheep

More wind turbines....ahhhh, that's the ticket

Yes they are - now who is the DumbFux?

This wind farm on the San Gorgonio Mountain Pass in the San Bernadino Mountains contains more than 4000 separate windmills and provides enough electricity to power Palm Springs and the entire Coachella Valley.

http://www.solaripedia.com/13/160/1490/san_gorgonio_pass_wind_farm_near_palm_springs_ca.html

I hope he doesn't jump into a volcano to demonstrate the power of thermal energy .

Politicking at its finest ....

Red Devs,

We are the second largest wind producer in the world and we are looked to for innovation.

Dismal Head, you are incorrect,

The alternate route is not yet decided upon. There is nothing to say. Nothing to decide. Nothing to approve. Nothing to block.

You are not telling the truth. Why do you do that?

So just who is our President trying to get support from?

The unions that want it built to create union jobs or the environmentalists that do not want it build. Both are key supporters of Democrats.

RedDevPS

More wind turbines....ahhhh, that's the ticket

Yes they are - now who is the DumbFux?

LOL...you just proved you are completely incompetent regarding our energy needs.

How many mega watts are produced by the average wind turbine?

What is the Serice Factor for the average wind turbine?

How many mega watts are produced by the average steam turbine? How about power house? Powered from steam generated by coal? Nuclear fission?

How many wind turbines are needed to moth ball our current coal and nuke plants? Where are you gonna put em all?

How much electricty does the United States consume?

I know the answers to these questions. Do you? If you did, you'd agree that your previous post was idiotic.

So as Head of the Syrinx Temple,

You decree that the pipeline will go through the Ogallala Aquifer?

Not concerned about the health and safety of millions of Americans, or the decision of the Nebraska Governor who said NO?

Wow, you belong to the party of R-Bully leadership all right.

I'll bite, what is the serice factor for the average wind turbine?

There is Opinion. There is FACT.

There is PC above, and grade 3 insults.

All very different.

Obama is "cutting through the red tape" after holding up Keystone.

So the pipeline project that actually needed the president's approval did not get his approval...but the project in the article, that does not need his approval because it doesn't touch Canada's border gets his blessing with a big dog & pony show.

He's probably be there for the groundbreaking with a big yellow hardhat and saftey glasses pushing a silver shovel into the dirt.

"Look at me...the wildcatter-in-chief" !!!

I know the answers to these questions. Do you? If you did, you'd agree that your previous post was idiotic.

Ooh .. aren't you the big man on campus with all your facts and figures stored in your Pee Chee sized brain. Where did I claim that wind turbines were the single solution to the energy needs of the country? Hint to the idiot .. I didn't.

Electricity production solutions in the southwest can't be used to power the northwest. That being said, if every house and business in So. Cal, Nevada, Arizona, and N.M. were fitted with solar panels, that would go a very long way to reduce the reliance upon coal, natural gas, and nuclear fission to generate electricity.

Electricity production solutions in the southwest can't be used to power the northwest. That being said, if every house and business in So. Cal, Nevada, Arizona, and N.M. were fitted with solar panels, that would go a very long way to reduce the reliance upon coal, natural gas, and nuclear fission to generate electricity.

Very true. What we need is a government program to subsidize the effort as solar costs a lot up front. As the government is already borrowing 40 cents on the dollar a couple of cents more won't make a big difference. We can borrow the money from China and buy the panels...from China. and we'll making interest payments way past the 20 year life-span of the panels so we can borrow more in the future to pay for the replacements.

Meanwhile China expands its use of coal....

You did hear the Chinese Solar industry is in trouble because the expected subsidies from the west (Germany) did not materialize? So this would be a real boon to them.

Very true. What we need is a government program to subsidize the effort as solar costs a lot up front.

Yup, just like we already do for geothermal furnaces / AC.

The problem is this will undoubtedly add a lot to the deficit.

RedDevPS

Ooh .. aren't you the big man on campus with all your facts

LOL...Why yes I do, in fact, have the facts!

As a matter of fact, I wish you would educate yourself more so you can have the facts too!! That would be awesome!

BTW, Did you even read that sentence you typed that I quoted??? You seem irritated that I used FACTS to retort your dribble! Now, if THAT doesn't tell us all we need to know!

Yea you have the facts alright, that's why they're posted here with sources for all to see.

Oh wait.

yea, right after gitmo is closed. ;)

Now how can I be irritated that you used facts when you didn't post a single fact. All I get out of your post is that your have numbers rolling around in your head, and based upon those numbers, you regard yourself as a leading expert on energy production, something I highly doubt.

It's called 25 years in the power industry. Call if you wanna get educated. Otherwise do your own homework.

Not all of us are eligible for food stamps.

P.s. - Why is it that the looney left want EVERYTHING done for them?....including research now.

It's called posting sources to back up your claims. It isn't exactly a new concept.

Probably because certain members of the "looney left" would like to actually see credible facts from credible sources, and not want to settle on basing opinions on regurgitated rhetoric like you seem to do.

Well it looks like all you Republican/Tea Party wing nuts got your wish.

We are now being designated Canada's dumping ground.

That make y'all feel real good? You're going to get a few measly temporary jobs and that's it! The oil isn't staying here....all that is staying here is the pollution. Heck keep this up and we CAN become Mexico. Way to go.....:(

I very well may exercise my right to NOT vote this coming election.

The President's announcement has very little to do with TransCanada or the Keystone XL pipeline. Again the President is only using Republican intransigence against them to get what the President wants.

Watch the birdie! Gotta love it ...

Michael19etc.

If you have that much expertise you would not badmouth solar power. I have a more direct experience, having installed a 6KW system on my house in Southern CA over 4 years ago. I am tickled to death with the results, a drop of 80%+ in my monthly bills and a payback in less than 10 years. Granted, the subsidies from the state and the federal tax credit made it more affordable, but they have succeeded in generating more demand, which increases production and learning curve based cost improvement. Over time, this source should become a significant part of our electricity supply in the West and Southwest, especially if we can encourage more business customers (who drive most of the peak time demand) to adopt it.

this is great, now we get to watch the dum republicans have to eat their @!$%# to figure out how to make him look bad... pres is too smart, they already lost... dummies..

Backhouse, You as usual are wrong and Boehner is right. The delay is the presidents fault. Also he does not get a say on the southern part of the pipeline because it does not cross an international border. I know this first had as I am a mechanical engineer for a construction company that as done feed studies for this project for many years now. This is a good project that will get many back to work and even though Obama is trying to take credit for it, it has nothing to do with him on this portion as they don't need a Presidential Permit to go forward. It is an election and Obama will try anything to win EVEN IF IT IS LYING. Throw him out on his A*S in 2012.

John Boehner just lied on-camera on the Hill and said the same old lie about the Keystone Pipeline delay being the President's fault. There is no alternate route decided upon as yet. Boehner also said the Cushing pipeline, where the President just gave remarks on his All-Of-The-Above strategy, has nothing to do with the Administration.

The President said today that the Administration will work to expedite the project TransCanada will do on the Cushing connection. If you listened to Boehner, you would not know that a ton of pipeline has been approved across America over the last 3 years by the Obama Administration.

When will Boehner & Associates quit their lying? Are we going to keep on paying them all to keep lying?

Here is the link that tells us that it is not up to Obama to approve or deny this portion of the pipeline, as a matter of fact MSNBC ran a story yesterday that said exactly that, I must have missed it in today's story. I am sure MSNBC didn't leave that information out of today's article on purpose. You and Feisty Redhead need to pull you heads out of Obama's A*S and realize he is the biggest crook of them all. http://www.transcanada.com/5966.html

You Libs will say anything. It makes you look bad when you call a guy a lier and it turns out you are the one lying, I know it is the Lib way of life.

These are the facts there are not two sets of facts just one, and that fact is Obama can not do anything about, nor did TransCanada need his aproval for the portion of the pipeline that extends from Cushing, OK to the Gulf Cost.

The company also informed the DOS that what had been the Cushing to U.S. Gulf Coast portion of the Keystone XL Project has its own independent value to the marketplace and will be constructed as a stand-alone Gulf Coast Project, not part of the Presidential Permit process. The approximate cost is US$2.3 billion and subject to regulatory approvals, we anticipate the Gulf Coast Project to be in service in mid to late 2013.

LOL...Why yes I do, in fact, have the facts!

Michael1969,

you have "facts" all right. Like the time you claimed that Senate and House equal to 2/3rds of the US government.

Did you know that foreigners trying to become US citizens HAVE to know this, yet you don't?

The average wind turbine has a nameplate rating of 1.5 mega watts (MW). That’s 1,500,000 watts. Nameplate rating is something the manufacturer displays as a maximum output under certain conditions. Just like when you buy a brand new Mustang from Ford. They tell you it has 250 horsepower and 30 miles per gallon. That doesn’t mean you’re going to get even close to that amount, but hey, that’s what’s on the sticker.

The average steam turbine generates 500 MW. Some as low as 150, some as high as 1,200.

500 is a good average. Just using you calculator, you can see that you will need 333 wind turbines.

But don’t forget, you also have this little thing engineer’s call “service factor” or “power factor” which for the wind industry is around 37% on a good day. Translated, if I had a wind farm with 100 turbines, I can only count on 37 of them making the Evil Corporation money.

Soooo, now how many wind turbines do I need to install? 333 is 37% of what? 900-ish?

I need 900 wind turbines to replace ONE 500-MW steam turbine…..get out!

Oh crap! What if the wind isn’t blowing that day? Sit in the dark?

Now, where do I put these eyesores? The average blade diameter is a little over 200’. An acre is 208’ x 208’. You know them little pinwheel thingy’s they sell around Easter time? Line ten of ‘em up in a row and see how much the tenth one spins when you blow. Not much. Neither does the tenth wind turbine if they don’t have their own “breathing room”. Minimum of 5 acres each. 5 acres x 900 turbines = crap!

Coal fired power plant with proper scrubber system = 1 acre per ½ MW (average)

Can I place all wind turbines in Kansas and give the electricity to New York or L.A.? Nope. Your power lines would need to be the size of my truck for that to happen or they’d overheat to beat all hell. Plug in your circular saw with 200 feet of extension cord and see how much lumber you can cut. Not much.

And we all remember the Liberal Lion, Ted “Chappaquiddick” Kennedy didn’t wanna see these atrocious things in HIS backyard, but farmers across America have to.

I’ve only touched the tip of this insanity. Governments mandate it. Governments subsidize it. Then the Utilities say, “What choice do we have? They’re making us do it AND they’re paying us to do it?”

Ugly-ass wind farms everywhere. Don’t forget about dead birds, solar glare, that gawd-awful hum and much more!

Yes! Wind Turbines! That’s the answer!

CAL,

Over time, this source should become a significant part of our electricity supply in the West and Southwest, especially if we can encourage more business customers (who drive most of the peak time demand) to adopt it.

Hopefully, it becomes more affordable due to economies of scale.

Bayllie,

Because you're an idiot doesn't mean I need to apologize. Whether you like the FACTS or not is not my problem sweetheart!.....But we still love ya...lol

The FACTS are, that the WH and the feds really have nothing to do with the pipeline process within the US. The only thing they can do is get in the way of permitting. The only reason the Federal Government is involved in ANY way with the pipeline is because the northern portion has to cross our border. The activities within the US are just like any other company doing business within our borders...we are talking state and local authorities - NOT federal. On one hand, POTUS is trying to distance himself from responsibility for the Solyndra mess - saying "not my fault" - and on the other, trying to take credit for activities that are not in his purview. Obviously they are making this up as they go along as Carney couldn't even come up with a good lie as how the admin could expedite this portion of the pipeline.

Michael1969

Because you're an idiot doesn't mean I need to apologize.

ooohhhh, did I hurt your feeling for pointing out your ignorance? I don't want you apology - couldn't care less about you. I just think it's ridiculous that someone who puts other people down does not even know the make up of his own government.

Whether you like the FACTS or not is not my problem sweetheart!.....But we still love ya...lol

so you still claim that Congress is 2/3 of the government as a FACT????

Still haven't seen links to sources for said 'facts'.

I drive through the San Gorgonio Pass a few times a year and as long as those horrid wind turbines have been there I have wondered how efficient they are. One of the first things you notice about them is that no matter how hard the wind is blowing (and it howls through the Pass) many of the turbine blades are not moving. By simple observation I am inclined to believe Michael1969's figures, wind turbines are grossly ineffecient and a poor alternative energy solution. RedDev, the picture in the link you provided doesn't show the whole thing. Those turbines go on for miles. I love the desert - it is not throw-away land to be covered with unsightly wind turbine farms and solar arrays.

Of course, coal smoke and oil spills are terrible as well. The need for alternative energy is real and pressing, but it must be done intelligently - let's not just replace one blight with another.

Back on topic - I am not convinced this pipeline is beneficial.

many of the turbine blades are not moving.

Could be too much wind (they lock down during gales), a mechanical malfunction, prevention of overloading the local grid, etc.

Could be too much wind (they lock down during gales), a mechanical malfunction, prevention of overloading the local grid, etc.

Hence, service or power factor.

@Mark in So Cal - I'll admit the windmills aren't the sexiest thing around, but I'd take them over any ugly power plant spewing pollution that would haze up the sky and block the view of the mountains, or the fear factor of having a massive nuclear power plant in the backyard. The Seal Beach power plant is one of the ugliest sights I have ever seen.

@CAL USA - congrats on your solar. I've heard nothing but positive outcomes and am exploring the option myself.

[It's called 25 years in the power industry.]

So says the 43 year old FUBAR virgin...25 years of stealing your mom's vibrator when she's at Sunday church doesn't make you an "expoit" on power, little buddy.

RedDev,

Can't argue with ya on those points! The most elegant solution (for electrical power generation) I see, at least for the south west, is individual building solar - last evening I posted my vision of solar-cell roof tiles. This obviously would require a major re-arrangement of the "grid" and we just are not there yet. Phinephancy summed it up considerably more elegant fashion than I - we really need to want change for change to happen.

Those wind turbines really rub me the wrong way aesthetically. Want to get all Ed Abbey on 'em........

Funny Mickey - good thing '69 isn't in charge of power generation in my neck of the woods .. we would still be using whale blubber to light the lamps. That is the difference between these backward conservatives (not all conservatives are backwards) and progressives .. wind farms and solar power ARE generating power to contribute to the grid, while the only wind being generated from '69 is being a blow-hard naysayer.

last evening I posted my vision of solar-cell roof tiles.

Music to my ears, Mark!! By the way, take a drive between Nipton and Searchlight sometime, and Searchlight to Boulder .. there are two small but cool solar farms. They blend into the landscape very well.

I'm still confused how crude oil produced in Canada, piped through the center of the US, converted to gas on the gulf coast and then shipped to Asia because it has an inherrent sulfur content that prevents sale in North America actually lowers the price of gas in the US?

And before someone spouts the usual nonsense of greater production of gasoline in the gulf coast increases the world supply and thus lowers the price - I'll ask a follow up question of how exactly is supply increased when OPEC says they would adjust (throttle down) production for any additional supply created?

Cornel University wrote a very interesting report on their research into the Keystone pipeline. Based on said report, I don't see why anyone would be rabidly for the pipeline other than for political gain.

I don't see why anyone would be rabidly for the pipeline other than for political gain.

I would add to political gain, financial gain. Interesting little tidbits concerning Boehner and his political/financial gains by allowing this cute little pipeline to run through.

http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201201180004

Rico, You are what is wrong with America today. You don't understand something, instead of finding out, you just commit on what you think is happening. TransCanadahas was founded in 1951 and has been shipping oil via USA pipeline since 1985. You obviously think this was the hole project as you said Rep got there way but in fact this is not the whole Keystone Pipeline it is the only phase 3 Cushing Market Link. You also say it will only create temporary jobs, yes you are right, but in this economy isn't a 1,000 temporary jobs better than no jobs; it gives these men/women a job job for a year and after that hopefully our economy has turned around and they will go right to another job. To say they are only temporary jobs is just the Libs way of trying to cloud the issue.

Well it looks like all you Republican/Tea Party wing nuts got your wish.

We are now being designated Canada's dumping ground.

That make y'all feel real good? You're going to get a few measly temporary jobs and that's it! The oil isn't staying here....all that is staying here is the pollution. Heck keep this up and we CAN become Mexico. Way to go.....:(

I very well may exercise my right to NOT vote this coming election.

PS do us a favor and please do exercise your right to not vote. Please look up the information it is right at your finger tips.

Don't Be- Now there is a neutral source Cornell University.Bhahahahaha

CAL USA

Granted, the subsidies from the state and the federal tax credit made it more affordable

So, the true payback is much longer as it is tax payer subsidized. How much of our money did you get to put your pretty solar panels on your home?

RedDevil -

I would add to political gain, financial gain. Interesting little tidbits concerning Boehner and his political/financial gains by allowing this cute little pipeline to run through.

Do you not understand that this is not the part of the Keystone Pipeline that the president has any control over. It is up to each state and TransCanada and the EPA, that's it. You guys one here have been saying the same thing the Rep got there wish. This is not the part of the project that all the controversy is over. Learn. The Rep in this case want what is currently the best for the USA, it will put unemployed people back to work. These people are losing there house and everything, all you Libs say is it is temp jobs. That maybe but right now we need a temp solution over no solution. Thank Obama for this.

How much of our money did you get to put your pretty solar panels on your home?

If you are going to complain about tax credits for solar installations, take it to your local politician, not the folks that utilize the program. You argument is as shallow as me asking you for money back if you deduct your mortgage interest or you claim dependents. What a pathetic dolt.

Before you start shooting, it is worthwhile to look at exactly what TransCanada has proposed.

Understand that there are two Canadian companies in the petroleum products transmission business, Enbridge (www.enbridge.com) and TransCanada (www.transcanada.com).

It appears that as it is, there is sufficient capacity as it is from Canada to the US (particularly the tank farms in Cushing OK) *IF* you send it through existing networks in the MidWest, where there are also a number of refineries.

The capacity from Cushing, OK and several other locales to the Gulf Coast may *not* be adequate, therefore that portion of Keystone makes sense for the US and our interests.

What is *not* in our best interest is the XL portion that bypasses the entire MidWest. By bypassing this, it decreases supply and competition in the US and is meant to send all of this for export.

The best way to understand this is to go to each company's website and look at the transmission pipeline maps.

See for yourself.

You ignorant liberal hypocrites realize of course this portion of the pipeline did not need Obama approval and was already moving.

Once again, President Failure Foodstamp taking credit for something someone else did.

Let's recap: Blame the other guy when things go wrong. Take credit for accomplishments he had nothing to do with and actually opposed 48 hours ago!

The lies, the hypocrisy!

Romney 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOD... how did we end up with such a FOOL as president...

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... all you stupid Obama supports, don't forget to vote on November 30th

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qudrep - Some of what you say is try, but it does not decrease supply or competition. It puts more oil on the world market, the USA gets money on every barrel that come thou the USA; it was nice you left this out. Yes, go to there website and see for yourself. The president could not stop the portion from Cushing, OK to the Gulf even if he wanted to. So him trying to take credit for it is just used. They are Canadian Companies and they currently have a lot of pipelines crossing the US Canadian border. Now Obama is trying to make it look like he is neutral to oil so he will get re-election; he is not neutral though and that is all nothing more. Here is the link http://transcanada.com/

Obama if you actually think it is good approve the potion you have control over if not it is just a stunt; as i expect it is..

"Since news of this announcement broke on Tuesday, Republicans have slammed the move as an attempt to take ownership of a process over which the White House has no actual authority"

Beat them to their game Mr President. Dangle them the carrots and whip their flat earth head with a hot frying pan. They want to be stupid, make them more stupid.

Chilled....

as opposed to Democrats who praise failure, disloyalty to our Nation and outright failure as if it's the best a fellow world citizen commie can ever hope for.

@ the three B's (with lots of numbers)

Praising failure of the President is a TeaPeople thingy.

Remember the Drugsters' comment about wanting the 'President to fail' and then of course McConnells' only focus has been to make 'Obama a one term President' and of course DeMint and his 'Waterloo' comment.

Sounds of disloyalty from the TeaPeople!

Think about it!

One guy made the statement. And he didn't have to do so since this president has pretty much been a failure in everything he has done - except where he followed Bush policy re. foreign affairs.

They are going for the southern portion now, since by early 2013 they will be able to proceed on the northern section.

Nothing like taking credit for the pipeline to nowhere. Obama only talks a good game, but it would seem that other then his ardent supporters the rest of the nation has caught on to the ruse. Spend baby spend, borrow baby borrow, print baby print, and tax baby tax is what everyone knows Obama is all about.

Not one solution to fix Medicare or Social Security. Not one solution to fix our massive debt that will easily topple 20 trillion if Obama is given a second term. If you feel the country is on the right track, then Obama is you man. But rest assured history will treat Obama very harshly for his has failed miserably.

Before you start shooting, it is worthwhile to look at exactly what TransCanada has proposed.

Understand that there are two Canadian companies in the petroleum products transmission business, Enbridge (www.enbridge.com) and TransCanada (www.transcanada.com).

It appears that as it is, there is sufficient capacity as it is from Canada to the US (particularly the tank farms in Cushing OK) *IF* you send it through existing networks in the MidWest, where there are also a number of refineries.

The capacity from Cushing, OK and several other locales to the Gulf Coast may *not* be adequate, therefore that portion of Keystone makes sense for the US and our interests.

What is *not* in our best interest is the XL portion that bypasses the entire MidWest. By bypassing this, it decreases supply and competition in the US and is meant to send all of this for export.

The best way to understand this is to go to each company's website and look at the transmission pipeline maps.

See for yourself.

Here's the thing the drill, baby, drill people don't seem to get. We are pulling more oil out of the ground today than at any time since 2006. Our demand is lower than any time since 1992. Remember what Dick "deficits aren't a bad thing" Cheney said, "the commander in chief has less to do with gas prices than the Queen." The pipeline will create less than 3000 permanent jobs unless you count the public service workers who have to respond when it ruptures, spills, or leaks into a river. Trust me, I live in Western Wyoming and after these greedy energy companies suck off every last ounce of oil or gas or coal, they close up shop and leave the mess for the tax payers to clean up! But hey, they did provide jobs! That and a nickle will buy you a whole hell of a lot when your land is contaminated and your water catches fire and in non-potable. All that being said, Obama isn't against it, he just wants more studies done to find out the impact along the proposed routes. Wow, how novel. Don't try and force this mans hand on anything, he is way to intelligent for that and is always thinking 3 moves ahead. If you're that worried about jobs, let him do the infrastructure initiative he wants and watch the unemployment rate come down 3 points then we have something tangible for years to come (new bridges, roads, schools etc.) instead of a leaking cesspool of oil that the companies who made billions wont fix because they are long gone!

What is helping to keep our gas prices high is the sale of US produced gasoline overseas...it seems to me that helping to expedite the movement of oil from Okla to the Gulf Coast for refinement (instead of refining it in middle America) only helps to expedite overseas sales...the administration needs to explain to us how this move brings down U.S. gasoline prices...it appears to only expedite overseas sales!

You moronic liberals realize of course this portion of the pipeline did not need Obama approval and was already moving!

Obama still is stalling on key elements of the Keystone pipeline to appease his fringe lunatic base.

He is out there for the photo op supporting something he opposed 48 hours ago.

The Lies, The Hypocrisy, pure liberal, pure democrat. The truth has no relevance here.

ROMNEY 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is funny Obama praises the part of the pipeline that will cause gas prices in that region to go up.

I think republicans wouldn't be so critical of Obama if he wasn't such a lousy president..

I am glad to hear that the President is enjoying his little trip away from Washington for a few days. He needs some time away from the hard work that he has been doing to create jobs, his number one priority. We all need to appreciate how hard he has been working for the benefit of all Americans.

I do not really understand the situation from the President's point of view. With all the money that the federal government has been spending on green energy we should no longer have a need for fossil fuels. How is it going to cost to get my car to run on algae and where can I go to fill my tank with it? Maybe there should be two pipelines that follow the same route, one to send oil south and the other to send algae north.

I do not understand what the President is saying here because the southern section of the pipeline is a done deal anyway that does not require any action on the part of the President. What is needed is approval of the northern section. What are you doing Mr. President to expedite the approval process of the Northern Section? This can be done in short order if that is what the President really wants. The President should approve the northern section by executive order. Now is a good time to get started so as to get as much if it completed as possible before winter sets in.

Yes we are pulling more oil out of the ground then any time in the past eight years, but no thanks to Obama. Those are policies from Clinton and Bush. But just because domestic production is up, doesn't mean it cannot or should not be steadily increased. So what if the oil is being sold overseas, it is a global commodity. The more oil in the commodity the less it will cost.

Of course oil companies here in the US want to sell their product overseas, especially with how weak the dollar has become with the massive deficits, borrowing, and printing out of thin air. Selling overseas lets them avoid taxes here in the US, which is just another example of how long overdue real tax reform is in this country.

Obama has an agenda, and it is certainly not to see gas prices come down. At least not for any longer then might be needed to get him re-elected. He rammed ObamaCare down our throats, and he plans to do the same thing with "green" energy. Unfortunately all taxpayers are getting for these investments is our green dollars going into the pockets of Obamas' cronies and the energy they expend shuttering the doors and windows of another failed business.

[Now, why would Obama not allow any public participation? And why would you not report on it?]

More "conspiracies"? Brianb can help you with that...

Redhead, OMG. People, after almost 4 years of studies and it passed, obama still shut it down to appease the environmentalists. Forget the thousands of jobs that it would employ and that we need. The only reason he is doing this is to try and get some votes. Please answer this. How does building the southern half even help? Please how can it help. What are you going to do. Newly hired/union employees to carry one gallon buckets from Canada and over hundreds of miles and dump it in the new southern pipeline? If this was not so pathetic, it would be laughable. He is still trying to appease the energy nuts and build a pipeline that will have NO OIL IN IT. This President and the rest of the democrats have to be voted out.

He "shut it down" because part of it would have passed over the LARGEST FRESH WATER AQUIFER IN THE UNITED STATES! If you think gas prices can drive up the cost of food, just imagine what it would cost if an oil spill cut off the water supply to America's Bread Basket! Sheesh, that's such a basic concept I can't believe it even needs explanation. The prez has been saying from the beginning that the problem is the route ... change the route and the proposal can be revisited; but of course, it's soooo much easier to keep beating this dead horse to try and discredit Obama ...

Those refineries are in a holding pattern in the Houston/Galveston area just waiting on the flow to begin......WOW!.....

Gas .99 cents a gallon, great, then all the investors will be screaming about lost money/stock.......

Drill baby drill......flow baby flow.........

Tick, tock!

Yeah RedDev - you tell em! Not factual, but you tell em anyway! I guess being anti-oil, anti-growth, you feel so superior to make up your own figures as you go, correct?

Gee, when the sarcasm is thick as molasses, you still don't get it. No surprise there.

RedDev, your sarcasm about the republicans is a reflection of the way you really feel. When I'm sarcastic about Obama.... it's my true feelings showing through. So when you say this is the way republicans view it... I can count on you expressing a true feeling. You really think republicans expect the unemployment rate to fall to 2% and gas to drop to 99 cents...

Or why would you express it?

The fact that people think idle refineries are raising gas prices makes me giggle.

It's the fact that oil prices are going up due to speculation due to fears of war in the Middle East.

Not exactly difficult logic.

Feisty Red Head, what's it like to live life as a lemming?

I'll let Feisty answer the lemming question - but a more interesting question is what is it like to live life as a 'St. Lowelly' cockroach?

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RedDevPS

Let's see, if we believe the Dems on this pipeline, unemployment should drop to 2% next week, and gas will drop to .99 cents a gallon tomorrow. Tick, tock!!

WOW!!

How did you figure out Obama's campaign strategy so early? It's amazing!!

GREAT JOB!!!

Thats a good one Tommy-...., For a moment I thought you were serious.

OH Tommy - that's the best joke of the day. I'll have to remember that one.

Obama's the best president in the last 12 years anyway...He's had to spend most of of his time fixing @!$%#-for-brains f**k-ups....

Michael,

I wonder where we would be in terms of energy independence if Carter had been reelected and we had continued to pursue that goal. Instead we got Reagan and his decision that "the free market will dictate our energy strategy". It sure did, and that's why we have gas prices approaching $5, why we need to keep sending troops into the Middle East every year or two and why Big Oil owns Congress.

CAL USA,

I fully agree, this country flew off the track when Reagan took office. We finally get a President who does not pander to his base, but instead does what is best for the country. That is why the far right is upset with him as well as the far left. I have never been a fan of the Republican party, but now they have no one, no one at all, with two brain cells to rub together.

Yeah...Jimmy Carter was the answer...........

Look in tell all of you that bit*h about oil, stop using said oil please don't try and criticize me for doing the same thing you are. Look at Al Gore global warming but he uses more electricity than anyone, 20 times the national average, oh he is a Lib so it is ok I forgot. Just like one Lib said the other day "I expect to get Social Security because they have taken my money without my consent" Now wait a min I thought you all wanted everyone to have the same but this lady was clearly saying whats mine is mine. I know you only want the rich to have to share right.

Obama's not anti-oil, he is just propagandized that way by the right wing.. its their attempt to make him look bad, this, fortunately, is very obvious to the American people..

its the republicans that have a problem with anything else that might supplement this oil, and take profits from the cartels.. the republican sheep just go along with it, cause they are sheep and they don't know any better.. dummies.. if you listen to the empty negative rhetoric for long enough it skews your perspective.. don't you think they know this?

here is someone trying to move the country from the dependancies of oil, while there is a sect that fights tooth and nail to stop that.. he sees a problem and as a president is working to fix it.. we all see it.. the oil companies have this country by the balls, we all know it.. they wont let us do anything about it.. why? because it means less profits for them.. cartells are a powerfull thing..

is oil bad? no.. is it the only option? absolutely not.. they have been fighting for decades to have you believe it is.. why just republicans? its not republicans, they just hitch to the wagon, because it is an ideology in opposition to democrats.. sorry sheep.. your fighting a war you haven't a thing to do with.. dummies.. wake up sheep..

J the J,

you will quickly learn that Joanna is not here to have a conversation. She copies and pastes her little propaganda wherever she can. It's the same crap over and over....

And we thought the Russians were the best at BS and Propaganda! Bayllie and J of J, you give me hope that there is still a chance.

Finally...a democrat who speaks the truth...

It's like anythig else, depends on who is saying it.

To be fair, the US has been in debt since it's founding. We're not exactly big on paying off debt.

Really? that's a high hurdle after our previous administration's debacles. There are other presidents who were more damaging as well. Perhaps you should take some history of the U.S. classes before you make such silly predictions.

If you look simply at economic prosperity in our country, when the GOP has the presidency, the economy tanks, when the Dems have it, it recovers.

So, by your logic, the Dems are bad for the U.S.A because they make everyone more prosperous, and the GOP is good because they only enrich the few at the expense of the many.

It's brilliant!

Big Ben or is it Frosty in Alaska,

The National Debt as a percent of GDP was higher in 1945 at 125% than it is today (100%). When Reagan took over we had paid it down to 37% of GDP and on pace to pay it off by about the year 2000. But thanks to Reagan’s cut taxes and keep spending by 1993 it had nearly doubled to 69% of GDP.

Dennis - I take issue with your figures. When the tax rates were cut under Reagan, the government actually had more revenue.

1981
3126.8
32.48
a

1982
3253.2
33.10
a

1983
3534.6
31.23
a

1984
3930.9
31.07
a

1985
4217.5
31.95
a

1986
4460.1
32.27
a

1987
4736.4
33.40
a

1988
5100.4
32.86
a

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I don't know if the chart will show up, but the numbers don't correlate to what you are saying in your post. I copied the chart from:

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1950_2015USp_F0t

After the Bush tax cuts the revenue to the government topped out at 37.01% in 2007. The thing most people forget is who's in control of congress. They are the spending arm of the government... A lot of uninformed people think it's the president, but who congress is comprised of controls the money.

Revenue may have increased but the National Debt nearly doubled ... explain that fact!

Where did all the money go??

Where did all the money go??

I'll give you a hint: Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama will go down as the worst president in the history of history ....

Now they are saying that it may take 60 plus years to pay down Obama's debt ....

Nice ....

Really ben? are you that stupid to believe anything "THEY" say anymore? seriously, if your smart enough to brush your teeth, you should be smart enough to know that "THEY" always say in an order to support "THEIR" agenda..

just because your from alaska, don't mean you gotta be a dummy..

sheep

[I take issue with your figures.]

You have issues, alright...sniff out any more conspiracy theories today Brianb? NoJo has one you may have missed...

Brianb-999431

[When the tax rates were cut under Reagan, the government actually had more revenue.]

Brian:

The Reagan Administration borrowed money in ways never before seen. When you create massive debt you can offset the lowering of tax rates because you are borrowing the tax cut. Here are four other Republican fantasies that are never true:

1. Lowering taxes creates more jobs. Never true. Lowering taxes shifts funds to a different place. If I get a big tax break for my company next year, I wont have needed to add any workers to have achieved it.

2. Lie #2- Removing regulations will create solid economic growth while banks and Wall Street will self regulate. BZZZZT

3. Increasing spending in the Military Industrial complex should be a priority of all other domestic issues. BZZZZT.

4. Big business behaves in the interest of the American Tax Payer. (Bank of America, UBS, Goldman Sachs etc...) and Fox News is not a Fascist Lie Machine. BZZZT.

Reagan didn't build the debt that was incurred during his presidency. The democrats controlled both houses and Tip O'Neill put most of the deficit spending on the defense appropriations bills. Reagan vetoed over and over but eventually had to sign to fund the military which was gutted by Carter. And Fox news is way more balanced than MSNBC which is a campaign outlet for Obama....I mean, try watching Martin Bashir. It's pretty sickening..

No where near as sick as the crap that falls out of the mouths of O'reilley, Hannity, Coulter, et al....

Statistics say that Dems have higher a I.Q.

If they are dumb, then the GOP~ers must be really really dumb.

Show the stats then stupid! If we are to believe that the vast majority of the 1% or wealthy are Republicans, then your statement is meritously FALSE, since dummies don't become wealthy.

No, "dummies" just inherit their wealth.

mediaite.com/online/study-suggests-low-iq-social-conservatism-and-prejudice-go-hand-in-hand/

Oh, and if you can't refrain from name calling, and stick to the topic, you just make yourself out as the playground bully who cries "he hit me first"

I don't know about that, I have met some of the dumbest rich people. It must take some brains to inherit money.

Don't forget bush and that everything he touched failed. Must have been that high republican intellect.

The republicans when given the choice of paying down the debt or increasing the debt to unbearable amounts. You know which one they chose. Then you would have us believe they are the smart ones?

In our past when our country went to war the responsible ones raised taxes to pay for it that is until the republicans got control. They decided to put America in debt and put the war on their chinese credit card. My or my shouldn't we all be impressed about how smart the republicans are?

VOTE FOR TRUE LEADERS.....VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Can't help it, stupidity irritates me. AND I said become wealthy, meaning they have created wealth not inherited. Can't CREATE wealth if one is not smart. THERFORE, if Republicans are the 1% and make up most of the evil wealthy, they MUST be more intelligent than democrats. As logic would dictate.

stupidity irritates me.

You must be really irritated with yourself!! Your dictating logic defies reasoning.

Being stupid isn't fault-able, being ignorant is.

If you are too unintelligent to understand facts, you are forgiven, if you are willfully ignorant, that is another case.

Can't help it, stupidity irritates me. AND I said become wealthy, meaning they have created wealth not inherited. Can't CREATE wealth if one is not smart. THERFORE, if Republicans are the 1% and make up most of the evil wealthy, they MUST be more intelligent than democrats. As logic would dictate.

this statement is amazing.. absolutely amazing..

first you can create wealth and not be smart.. ??? really? dummy

second 1% ers are wealthy because of their greed and self-interest, at least on some level (that you need)... these are MOSTLY republicans, because they want to keep there money and not be taxed and be allowed to do anything they can at any expense to make more money.. duh.. dummy...

your logic proves the point, republican sheep are dummies..

[Show the stats then stupid!]

Thinking Citizen, you're stupid...stupid head poopy pants!

PHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! Nyah nyah nyah nyahhh nyahhh!

(just thought I'd lower myself to your level so you can understand me)

How do you starve an obama supporter? You hide his welfare money in his work shoes.

The food stamp program, part of the Department of Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever. Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture, asks us to “please do not feed the animals” because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves!

This is what the democrats and liberals want. Just an FYI, over 85% of millionaires are self made and not inherited.

That's rich ! But you didn't need to put any answer...just "How do you strave an Obama supporter ?" It cannot be answered !

Says it all.

By Michael Snyder
BlacklistedNews.com

We have all been lied to. For decades, the leaders of both major political parties have promised us that they can fix our current system and that they can get our national debt under control. As the 2012 election approaches, they are making all kinds of wild promises once again. Well you know what? It is all a giant sham. The United States has gotten into so much debt that there will be no coming back from this. The current system is irretrievably broken. 30 years ago the U.S. debt was a horrific crisis that was completely and totally out of control. If we would have dealt with it back then maybe we could have done something about it. But now it is 15 times larger, and we are adding more than a trillion dollars to the debt every single year. The facts that you are about to read below should set America on fire with anger. Please share them with as many people as you can. What we are doing to our children and our grandchildren is absolutely nightmarish. Words like “abuse”, “financial rape”, “theft” and “crime” do not even begin to describe what we are doing to future generations. We were the wealthiest nation on earth, but it wasn’t good enough just to squander all of our own money. We had to squander the money of our children and our grandchildren as well. America has been so selfish and so self-centered that it is hard to argue that we don’t deserve what is about to happen to this country. We have stolen the future of America, and yet we strut around as if we are the smartest generation that ever walked the face of the earth.

All of this prosperity that we see all around us is just an illusion. It is a false prosperity that has been purchased by the biggest mountain of debt in the history of the world.

Did you know that if you added up all forms of debt in the United States and divided it up equally that every single family in the country would owe more than $683,000?

We are a nation that is absolutely addicted to debt, and the U.S. debt crisis threatens to destroy everything that our forefathers built.

Yes, everything may seem fine for the moment, but what do you think would happen if the federal government suddenly adopted a balanced budget?

1.3 trillion dollars a year would be sucked right out of the economy and we would be looking at an “economic readjustment” that would be mind blowing.

Enjoy this false prosperity while you can, because it is not going to last.

Debt is a very cruel master, and our day of reckoning is almost here.

The following are 34 shocking facts about U.S. debt that should set America on fire with anger….

#1 During fiscal year 2011, the U.S. government spent 3.7 trillion dollars but it only brought in 2.4 trillion dollars.

#2 When Ronald Reagan took office, the U.S. national debt was less than 1 trillion dollars. Today, the U.S. national debt is over 15.2 trillion dollars.

#3 During 2011, U.S. debt surpassed 100 percent of GDP for the first time ever.

#4 According to Wikipedia, the monetary base “consists of coins, paper money (both as bank vault cash and as currency circulating in the public), and commercial banks’ reserves with the central bank.” Currently the U.S. monetary base is sitting somewhere around 2.7 trillion dollars. So if you went out and gathered all of that money up it would only make a small dent in our national debt. But afterwards there would be no currency for anyone to use.

#5 The U.S. government spent over 454 billion dollars just on interest on the national debt during fiscal 2011.

#6 The U.S. government has total assets of 2.7 trillion dollars and has total liabilities of 17.5 trillion dollars. The liabilities do not even count 4.7 trillion dollars of intragovernmental debt that is currently outstanding.

#7 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.

#8 It is being projected that the U.S. national debt will surpass 23 trillion dollars in 2015.

#9 According to the GAO, the U.S. government is facing 34 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities for social insurance programs such as Social Security and Medicare. These are obligations that we have already committed ourselves to but that we do not have any money for.

#10 Others estimate that the unfunded liabilities of the U.S. government now total over 117 trillion dollars.

#11 According to the GAO, the ratio of debt held by the public to GDP is projected to reach 287 percent of GDP by 2086.

#12 Others are much less optimistic. A recently revised IMF policy paper entitled “An Analysis of U.S. Fiscal and Generational Imbalances: Who Will Pay and How?” projects that U.S. government debt will rise to about 400 percent of GDP by the year 2050.

#13 The United States government is responsible for more than a third of all the government debt in the entire world.

#14 If you divide up the national debt equally among all U.S. taxpayers, each taxpayer would owe approximately $134,685.

#15 Mandatory federal spending surpassed total federal revenue for the first time ever in fiscal 2011. That was not supposed to happen until 50 years from now.

#16 Between 2007 and 2010, U.S. GDP grew by only 4.26%, but the U.S. national debt soared by 61% during that same time period.

#17 During Barack Obama’s first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.

#18 When you add up all spending by the federal government, state governments and local governments, it comes to 46.6% of GDP.

#19 Our nation is more addicted to government checks than ever before. In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for 18.4% of all income.

#20 U.S. households are now actually receiving more money directly from the U.S. government than they are paying to the government in taxes.

#21 A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

#22 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid.

#23 In 1950, each retiree’s Social Security benefit was paid for by 16U.S. workers. According to new data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are now only 1.75 full-time private sector workers for each person that is receiving Social Security benefits in the United States.

#24 The U.S. government now says that the Medicare trust fund will run outfive years faster than they were projecting just last year.

#25 Right now, spending by the federal government accounts for about 24 percent of GDP. Back in 2001, it accounted for just 18 percent.

#26 If the U.S. government was forced to use GAAP accounting principles (like all publicly-traded corporations must), the U.S. government budget deficit would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 trillion to $5 trillion each and every year.

#27 If you were alive when Christ was born and you spent one million dollars every single day since that point, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars by now. But this year alone the U.S. government is going to add more than a trillion dollars to the national debt.

#28 If right this moment you went out and started spending one dollar every single second, it would take you more than 31,000 years to spend one trillion dollars.

#29 A trillion $10 bills, if they were taped end to end, would wrap around the globe more than 380 times. That amount of money would still not be enough to pay off the U.S. national debt.

#30 If the federal government began right at this moment to repay the U.S. national debt at a rate of one dollar per second, it would take over 470,000 years to pay off the national debt.

#31 If Bill Gates gave every penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for 15 days.

#32 According to Professor Laurence J. Kotlikoff, the U.S. is facing a “fiscal gap” of over 200 trillion dollars in the future. The following is a brief excerpt from a recent article that he did for CNN….

The government’s total indebtedness — its fiscal gap — now stands at $211 trillion, by my arithmetic. The fiscal gap is the difference, measured in present value, between all projected future spending obligations — including our huge defense expenditures and massive entitlement programs, as well as making interest and principal payments on the official debt — and all projected future taxes.

#33 If you add up all forms of debt in the United States (government, business and consumer), it comes to more than 56 trillion dollars. That is more than$683,000 per family. Unfortunately, the average amount of savings per family in the U.S. is only about $4,735.

#34 The U.S. national debt is now more than 5000 times larger than it was when the Federal Reserve was created back in 1913.But do our leaders care about statistics such as these?

No.

In fact, Barack Obama says that we need to raise the debt limit by another 1.2 trillion dollars.

The absurdity of raising the debt limit when we are already in so much debt is beautifully illustrated by the video posted below….

I just thought that video was so well done.

The “huge cuts” that Congress has agreed to are absolutely meaningless when compared to how rapidly our debt is exploding.

Calling those cuts “pocket change” would be an insult to pocket change.

But it is not just U.S. debt that is the problem. The European debt crisisthreatens to completely unravel in 2012 and Japan actually has the highest debt to GDP ratio in the entire industrialized world.

In 2012, a total of 7,600,000,000,000 dollars of debt must be rolled over by the G-7 nations, Brazil, Russia, India and China.

That doesn’t even count new borrowing. That number just represents old debts that are coming due that must be refinanced.

Anyone out there that insists that this debt bubble can be fixed under our current system is lying.

A massive amount of financial pain is coming.

It is time for Americans to wake up from their television-induced comas.

It is time for Americans to get very angry.

Your future has been destroyed and the future of your children and grandchildren has been destroyed.

You better take action while you still can.

So according to Obama, we need to spend more. Thats the only way to get us out of this fiscal mess..

Mark-384387 and yet the "red" states are the ones using the most in food stamps.

1. Mississippi

2. Oregon

3. Tennessee

4. New Mexico

5. Michigan

6. Louisiana

7. Kentucky

8. West Virginia

9. Maine

10. South Carolina

So how do you reconcile this statement:

How do you starve an obama supporter? You hide his welfare money in his work shoes.

The food stamp program, part of the Department of Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever. Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture, asks us to “please do not feed the animals” because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves!

Change the channel buddy 'cause you aren't getting the truth!

obama had nothing to do with it, it was already to happen

not to mention that the idiotic American public is on the hook for buying sand from CANADA

if there was an ounce of profitable oil to be had don't you think they would keep it?

patsechi, do a search on the internet. The oil sands are the fastest growing area in the world right now.

Mark...

I'm shocked that it's already been a half hour and nobody has demanded that you "provide links".

And you are correct.

Patsechi- What do you mean the American people are one the hook for buying the oilsands from Canada; the fact is we are not on the hook TransCanada owns this oil and it will only be stored and refined in America it has nothing to do with tax payers and nothing to do with the president. Now that he says he thinks it is a good idea, maybe he can actually approve the part of the project that needs his approval until than he has and remains a do nothing president.

Find my links in above post to support my facts.

Their response: Why do you hate black people?

NoObama,

What a stupid thing to say. That comment embodies the ignorance of many Americans.

Vipp, you not an American? Then who cares what you have to think or say.

the 2008 election showed ignorance of a little more than half of the voters

Is is rumored that when asking another great loser, Jimmy Carter, for campaign strategy, Carter was said to have stated...."Learn to drive a nail straight"

No Obama,

What are you talking about? With every word you type your ignorance becomes more evident.

What would make you think that I'm not an American? What would make you think that Obama is not an America? His father was born in Kenya...he was born in Hawaii. So does that mean that Mitt Romney should put his library (if he were to become President) in Mexico because his father was born there?

Jesus Christ you're an idiot.

FYI - The more dumb and pointless your comment...the more people don't care what you have to say. Keep up the good work!

I wonder if so called "Americans" like yourself realise how stupid you are for representing us in such a way.

I'm a proud U.S. citizen who has served in the armed forces, how about you?

fair and open,

Really? It would make sense had you pointed to the 2004 and 2000 elections.

Obama is not perfect...and he has made mistakes. But he is by far the lesser of all evils that have been propped up by both parties.

well his energy sec did give himself a A+ on the gas price management

do u agree with this grade vipp????????????

I wouldn't give him an A+....I would much rather see a stronger push to renewable/clean energy. And not the finite resource of oil that is leading to all of these ups and downs and hardships.

And the left marches onward..., through the fog...

Vipp, the worst president ever and even when compared to jimmy carter. This man and the democrats have bankrupted our country. I would love to debate any one of you liberals on this. He has done almost nothing to help our country. The only good thing he has done is bin laden.

This man and the democrats have bankrupted our country. I would love to debate any one of you liberals on this.

You've already made up your mind with a false premise, debating you would be like trying to talk to a wall, why would anyone waste their time with you.

vipp You don't have a clue.

I guess if Oblumbles were constructing a buiding, he would build the roof first, then hire people to hold it up while the top floor was constructed underneath it and then hire twice as many people to hold up the top floor and roof and then construct the next floor down..... The communistic democratic party way of doing things.... Build the end of the pipe line first and then lay siege to the source....Sheesh are these moron liberals for REAL????

Bob...You've let the cat out of the bag! That's his plan to reduce unemployment!!

Bobnumbers - why bother posting when you have nothing relevant to say. If you don't like the way the pipeline is being built, take up your grievances with the builders, TransCanada.

Yeah I know.... and the democrats will complain..."At least he has a plan for Jobs"

And guess what? They will all be unionized federal employees. I really think he is going to hire the new employees to fill up buckets in Canada and have them transport the buckets of oil hundreds of miles to the pipeline and dump the oil in the pipeline. This is pathetic. Is obama going to telepathically transport the oil to the pipeline? Or maybe we can get the USS Enterprise and beam the oil to the pipeline.

How about floating the oil on a river of that environmentally safe algae, like the president was talking about the other day.

Funny thing, he wasn't "against" anything except being rushed in to a position that there was not enough data on. A GOP "ram down our throats" ammendment, made without due dilligence.

Claiming a flip or a flop on something the the President said "Not yet" to is a bit of an overstatement.

The only flip-flopper here is you DownTown. When did Obama say he was against the pipeline? He didn't. He said he wanted further time to study it.

Downtown is a wanna-be teacher that clearly cannot understand facts.

Hey ReddevPS, what does the "Red" in your screen name symbolize?

I can't wait for November when all of you pathetic tea-baggers will have to eat another big sh*t taco after Obama wins his 2nd term.

The "big sh*t taco" might accurately describe Obama.

What's sad is you guys don't even have a suitable replacement. You want to replace 1 incompetent president with a Republican who's 10x more incompetent, just because you have major hatred Obama. Just like the people who voted him in had faith in him solving all of our problems, people like you blame him for all of our problems. I can't imagine how disastrous 4 yrs of Rick Santorum would be, but you lunies are so blinded by your hatred that you'll put a rock in office if it means Obama is defeated.

Sorry to disagree...but based on their backgrounds and experience, Mr. Romney seems to have a bit thicker resume than Mr. Obama slid thru a very thin door crack four years ago.

And I certainly don't expect Mr. Obama to solve any problems at all. I'm still in a semi state of shock that Democrat primary voters picked this bonehead over Hillary Clinton.

Actually he wanted to delay his decision until after the election so he would not piss of the environmentalists or the unions.

That is not what a leader does, a leader makes the choice and lives with it.

That is what we need a president that can make tough calls and Obama does not do that he is to worried about being re-elected so much so that he doesn't even do his current job. This part of the pipeline did not need Obama's approval, it was happening he didn't approve anything. Want to approve something Obama approve the part of the project that needs your approval or shut the F**K up.

"Tough calls"???

Mr. Obama wanted his health care program's implementation delayed 'til after the 2012 election because he was terrified of actually having the public learn what was in the plan...he wanted out of Afghanistan before the election to appease the anti-war voting bloc...he wanted the Keystone decision delayed until after the election to avoid ticking off the green jeans folks...and he completely ignored the "comprehensive" immigration reform he spoke so much about in 2008 because he didn't want the possibility to exist that the hispanic voting bloc misinterpreted anything about his non-existent plan.

Mr. Obama does make the "tough calls"...he carefully plans important decisions as to how they might have any effect on his re-election....which is all that really matters to him anyway.

Mous1 he's taken care of your and your grand children's and your grand children's grand childrent's wallets already!!

Actually, it was the GOP that did that, he's attempting to pull the ecomomy out of the nose dive that the don't tax and spend GOP~ers put us in to.

Do some economy 200 level classes please.

If all you can do is spout nonesense, you add no value to the discourse.

Anony and Bob,

What are you two talking about?

Anony - Where does this comment come from? Are you saying this because Obama tries to implement policy like every other President does? Because he tried to fix a healthcare system that has left 30 million people without healthcare? Because he is trying to fix the worst economic situation since the great depression?

Bob - Yes...Obama has added to the debt. But somehow you and every other Republican/Conservative/Tea bagging individual so easily glosses over the fact that Obama stepped into a situation where the US was losing 700,000 jobs a month! He stepped into one of the worst housing crisis we have ever had. He stepped into office with two UNFUNDED wars going on. Nothing was paid for in the last administration...nothing!! Not to mention, Republicans won't allow taxes on the wealthiest individuals in our society to go up that could actually help pay for the crap the Bush administration gave us...the very people who Bush gave billions to while he destroyed the economy. Jesus christ!!!!

And the record spending under Obama hasn't help the recession???? or lack of recovery. Do some common sense 101 classes please!

Let me sit back and enjoy life because Obama will take care of me.

Perhaps you could heed some Obama advice, get off your lazy a$$, and further your education. It might prevent you from making uneducated, false statements. Obama has never said he supports taking care of anyone while they 'sit back'.

Thinking Citizen

Have you been doing so much thinking that you fried your brain?

You can't build an economy with debt. Its all that Obama has done for this country. Amassed a huge national debt and he's still accumulating that debt with no real recovery in sight.

NoObama,

Shocker! Wrong again.

The CBO has stated that the stimulus program helped to both heal the economic downturn and quicken the pace of recovery.

The automobile industry was saved and is thriving because of the money spent.

Putting the wars on budget, paying for what the previous administration did (essentially hiding the credit card bills) is hardly irresponsible. Yes, the Debt is up, but it's paying for what we already spent under the previous administrations folly.

My brain is far from fried, I have a propensity to do actual research and not just swallow the GOP's meme of the day.

If you have to take over flying an airplane thats in a nose dive, it takes some time to pull out, it doesn't just immediately right itself. You first have to slow the fall, then regain control, then level off, then begin a climb. If you just pull back on the yolk, you don't get any lift in a freefall, and if you pull back before gaining enough airspeed, you go in to a stall.

Our last administration started the nosedive, it takes time to fix the problems.

Vipp

The CBO claimed that the Affordable Health Care Act would pay for itself. WRONG! Now the CBO is claiming that the Affordable Health Care ACT is going to bankrupt this country.

With 46% of Americans living in or at the edge of Poverty, do you really believe that our government can afford to buy health insurance policies from "for profit" health insurance companies for all those people?

By the way, it was reported around December that Chrysler was in deep financial trouble and might have to file for bankruptcy protection.

At the end of Feburary it was reported that GM has such an overstock of inventory, that it was suspending some plant operations and laying off employees. So much for Obama's campaign claims.

Vipp you need to get informed.

Red...Yet everything he does seems to direct his efforts to that end....You Intellectuals’ have done such a good job the past 3 years in making this country so much better. Even when you had the congress and senate in your hands. I don't know that the US can afford any more of you smart educated people running this country. Being educated doesn't necessarily make you smart. Just look who you educated liberals elected.

What happened,

The CBO numbers have changed for the AHCA because they must adjust the numbers as new economic data arrives. They give an initial estimate based on current data and policy. As these things change they produce new estimates.

The recovery is already underway and the CBO is able to look backward and do it in a more accurate way. Nice try.

Healthcare - the government will raise taxes if necessary to help pay for the low income Americans who still can't afford the insurance. They will be subsidized.

GM is currently the world's leading automotive company....what happened, you need to get informed.

Obama - "My plan will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year. It’s a plan that lets the uninsured buy insurance that’s similar to the kind members of Congress give themselves. And if you can’t afford that, you’ll get a subsidy to pay for it."

What happened to this promise of my premiums going down? Damn conservatives must have messed something up again.

Morgs...

Thank you. Why is it that what this president actually said or says never ends up being involved in the conversation. Yes... $2500 "less" per insured person. He also said the plan would save the nation money...and "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"...and "if you like your insurance plan you can keep it". You think those promises will stick ?

Based on what we are already seeing at the very beginning of health care reform...like the president lying to the new Cardinal in New York and the new CBO forecast that says the reform plan with cost us thru our noses...it is very clear that this president and his minions had absolutely no idea what the future cost of this mess would turn out to be.

Oh well...the CBO now says the 10 year bill will be DOUBLE what the president said it would be when he was failing to sell the program to the public.

Oh well...who cares about a few bucks when there'e Faux News, Rush Limberger, George Bush, and those dreaded 'teabaggers' to whine about.

Obama knows everything. Obama can do everything. He's already done so much. This pipeline was authorized months ago. Obama knew what he was doing when he slammed the brakes on Keystone. What a wonderful intelligent person - this Obama. He is so smart, he only needs one term to fix all that ails America. He is asking all those that voted for him in 2008 to not do so this time.

Obama knows everything. Obama can do everything. He's already done so much. This pipeline was authorized months ago. Obama knew what he was doing when he slammed the brakes on Keystone. What a wonderful intelligent person - this Obama. He is so smart, he only needs one term to fix all that ails America. He is asking all those that voted for him in 2008 to not do so this time.

Sweet!

Hey Bob try not to communicate with Nasty redwig. Ovomit tells her everything to type in here and she is always the first one. Also the most complete idiot the left has ever seen but that doesn't stop her from carrying out the great dividers commands. It's all lies but she is lemming #1 so Ovomit can do no wrong no matter what. I think that pretty much sums it up.

As soon as you say something intelligent.

314159,

Yes...Obama has waged war on America. Yet another stupid comment.

Yes...ladies and gentlemen...War is being redefined today! Obama with his hate filled eyes and with revenge pumping in his blood made the first move....he attacked America by helping millions of people obtain healthcare insurance who wouldn't otherwise qualify or be able to afford it. BANG! Obama with the first blow!

Then once his enemy was wounded he launched his second attack on American.....he leaped out of nowhere and did what he could to save the automobile industry with force! BAM!!! What a blow to America...poor innocent jobs were saved because of that attack...how dare him.

Oh...., I've struck a nerve with the liberal base...

No...just making fun of an ignorant comment and pointing out that you make zero sense.

The only president that has successfully flat lined America. He is much worse than Carter. Aren't we proud...

314159,

Your comment shows that you have no idea why our economy is where it is today. It shows you've done zero research because if you had you would realize that our problems were not a result of Obama being elected.

When did the recession start 314159? Let's start with that.

314159, I'm not that Liberal, on some topics I lean liberal on some topics I lean Conservative, but uniformed comments are uncalled for, and adds nothing to the conversation. Does you mom know your on the computer?

Brilliant Vipp! Blame Bush! Now who da' thunk that strategy would still work?

314159,

I don't just blame Bush....this is also Clinton's fault, Reagan's....

These policies of deregulation is what has lead our country to this point. Politicians being bought and sold (including Obama) is the biggest issue we face.

But I can't live in a fantasy world where I believe that Obama caused this mess we are in. That would be lying to myself. That would be making things up or wishful thinking.

So, you can pretend all you want....but this administration didn't cause the economic downturn nor did it start the recession.

314..., I'm not sure what America your living in, but to claim America is flat-lined makes me angry that anyone would say that about our country! You are no American! Go back to China!

Obama knows everything. Obama can do everything. He's already done so much. This pipeline was authorized months ago. Obama knew what he was doing when he slammed the brakes on Keystone. What a wonderful intelligent person - this Obama. He is so smart, he only needs one term to fix all that ails America. He is asking all those that voted for him in 2008 to not do so this time.

His public statements that he would like to see gas at over $10.00/gallon

Are you a pathological liar or do you just enjoy lying about Obama statements? Obama never said he wanted gas at 10.00 per gallon. Gingrich is the one claiming 10.00 gas under Obama.

http://electad.com/videos/newt-gingrich-campaign-rally-in-everett-washington-february-24-2012/

When did MSNBC's comments section get become a dumping ground for the rage tears of lunatic right-wingers? You guys already have a site to spread your lies and misinformation, it's called Fox News.

Oil is a globally-traded commodity. This dictates the price. The president has nothing to do with gas prices.

Actually what Obama said is that "under my plan energy prices will necessarily skyrocket."

Obama said is that "under my plan energy prices will necessarily skyrocket."

Is this WHAT Obama said, what you think he said, or is that what Fox News told you he said? Surely you must have a link to his exact words and the context to which he was speaking.

true.....he just sees his numbers flat lined on energy

Obama knows everything. Obama can do everything. He's already done so much. This pipeline was authorized months ago. Obama knew what he was doing when he slammed the brakes on Keystone. What a wonderful intelligent person - this Obama. He is so smart, he only needs one term to fix all that ails America. He is asking all those that voted for him in 2008 to not do so this time.

Why would anybody want to take credit for a pipeline for oil that's not going to be sold in the U.S., is not going to create permanent jobs, and is going to accelerate the destruction of the planet for future generations? The tar sands of Alberta is an environmental disaster. If the world burns that oil, it's over for the planet. There's enough CO2 stored in the tar sands to ensure a ruined climate for countless generations to come, for the short-term benefit of a couple of generations. It's morally disgusting.

I want all of you right-wingers who are foaming at the mouth to get Obama out of office to put politics aside and think long-term. If we continue to use fossil fuels like we are, it won't matter if Obama had 2 terms or 50 terms, the planet will be screwed. All of the scientists are warning us. It's our choice.