Thanks to FR , our hosts and all who posted this week. The one thing we have in common is a interst in politics and time to voice our opinions, the facts we found and always by Friday, happy for a weekend pause.
This eve of the feast of St. Patrick I have begun my celebration. The parade and big Irish dinner will be tomorrow.
I have been blessed to be able to visit Ireland and see where my ancestors called home back to the ancient times.
One of my favorite Saints is Brendan of Clonfert.
He and a small band of monks set sailed form Aran on a seven year voyage. Some say he touched the North American outer islands long before Columbus.
Nice post, Northstar. Sadly, it fits with what I was going to post. I know it's the weekend, and St. Patrick's Day- but this is important.
Some time ago, a young man who disliked his roommate in college pulled a very dirty trick- set up a webcam to catch him "in the act" with another man.
Twice.
Yesterday, that 20 year old was convicted on fifteen charges ranging from invasion of privacy, to witness tampering, to bias intimidation. If you read the charges on which the jury convicted, and those on which they acquitted, you will be proud of these jurors, proud of our system of justice, and sad for our nation- that, in this day and age, such a trial should be necessary.
The young man thus convicted wil certainly go to prison- and then, may be deported to his native India. ,whatever happens, his victim will still be dead.
So, why am I telling you all of this? Because you can do something to prevent future tragedies- particularly if you are a parent.
Teach your children.
Teach them that name calling is NEVER, under any circumstances, acceptable behavior.
Teach them that people are, as my father always said, "whos"- not "whats".
They like the little girl with the big smile who shares her toys for that reason- NOT because she has curly hair.
They dislike the little boy who pinches and yells for those reasons- NOT because he has red hair.
But that the little boy who pinches and yells deserves the same respect as the little girl- because he is human. If they call him names, or pinch back- they are just like him.
Teach them to have respect for themselves, their friends- and those they dislike. That they will NOT like everyone they meet- but they must respect them.
Put simply, teach them the Golden Rule.
Live it yourselves. Ignore the people you dislike- don't engage in petty name calling or "pranks".
I don't believe Dharun Ravi ever believed Tyler Clementi would commit suicide. Neither did the prosecutor- who did not charge him with provoking that final, desperate act. Ravi did, however, set Clementi up to be a laughing stock- and he got "friends" to cheer him on- the same friends who, when called to the witness stand, testified to what he had said, done- and documented with tweets and text messages.
His life , at twenty, is ruined.
Clementi's is over- ended by his own hand.
I can think of no better catalyst to force people to examine their own lives, and to attempt to promote change- beginning within their own families.
But that the little boy who pinches and yells deserves the same respect as the little girl- because he is human. If they call him names, or pinch back- they are just like him.
Sorry NoJo, but I am not buying into this. Yes bullies are human, and they need help. My daughter was bullied by a boy but the parents were in complete denial so I taught her how to punch with a nice snap of the wrist ... she was bullied no more and he stopped being a bully. At times it is but the short swift reaction that teaches a life lesson.
Here's a cute stat for you ... go into any bar and take a seat ... one out of ten men at a minimum at that bar beat women.
Tell me NoJo, had Ravi actually pulled the trigger would you be screaming for his head? No excuses at that point?
I agree with you Ideo. Bullies deserve NO respect. No jo is just making excuses for her behavior last summer. One of my daughters was bullied too. When the boy was bothering her in the classroom, I taught her to stand up, turn around, hit her fist on the desk and say "KNOCK IT OFF". Got the teacher's attention, and then the parents as well.
kaybeetoys ... if Mitt, Newt, and Rick keep stepping on their own lips I don't know that any of them will be able to speak come convention time. Maybe that's why Sarah wants the primary to continue ... then she can swoop in and be the star that only she thinks she is.
I am heartbroken for the family of the victim- and the perpetrator. One young man is dead- the other's life is ruined. All because no one ever taught the perpetrator that others deserved respect.
I'm sorry, but that kind of waste just devastates me.
I'm sorry your little girl was bullied- and sorry she had to fight back in order to stop the bullying. Still, if more parents and teachers were actively involved in civilizing our children, bullying of any kind would cease.
Happy St Patty's day all. This is one day that Green is good. Irish whiskey will be poured later in the day... Bushmills is sitting on the shelf. My personal favorite.
It's a shame that there are those that find the need to be snarky and hateful today. Any chance to call someone a hypocrite is always in the air by those spreading their own brand of "my ideology is superior." Blind shut down of any sort of open minded discussion permeates through certain posters, seems to be prevalent, and there's no end in sight. The left-right battle continues.
I'm sorry your little girl was bullied- and sorry she had to fight back in order to stop the bullying. Still, if more parents and teachers were actively involved in civilizing our children, bullying of any kind would cease.
NoJo, I do agree with you on this point. Where we probably would disagree is the method of accomplishing this. We would agree that that both family and church have an active role to play, but to my mind so does the State. Teachers need not only greater powers within the classroom but they also need better training and smaller student teacher ratios which will require higher taxes. Then there is the problem of how to teach the parents of bulliers, many do not go to church. Is your country ready to fund the social services needed? What I hear from the Right on this board is little but ranting about the "Guberment Teat"
It would be a much better world if Conservatives and Liberals could find common ground ... it is possible.
BTW ... ineptness is in all of my dictionaries.:-)
Well, we agree on one thing- class sizes. Smaller is, definitely, better. What's also necessary is an attitude adjustment.
When I was teaching, I had just two rules in my classroom- the only name anyone could be called was their own, and nobody laughed at anybody unless that person told a joke. Amazingly, (to some), I did not need any other rules. Respect flowed from those two rules.
You may find it interesting that, in teacher meetings, I was told that I could NOT possibly enforce those rules. My response? There is only one adult in that room- me- and I fully intend to enforce them.
I really never had any problems with the kids. The adults, on the other hand. . .
Some parents no longer get involved in their children's lives beyond the extent of trying to be their friend rather than a parent. I'm not saying that parents shouldn't be their child's friend...but you have to be a parent FIRST and FOREMOST.
The reaction (or lack thereof) from Dharun Ravi at the verdict was bizarre as well. No real reaction to speak of. Even during the trial he seemed to be detached...yawning...falling asleep. He could have avoided all this by taking the plea deal offered. Now he goes to jail for probably 10 years, then he'll be deported back to India.
Ideology - Between 82 and 87 I was a high school teacher. The students I taught immediately received instruction in following the rules because I taught a construction building course. Considering the dangers involved with the use of power tools, climbing and not following safety rules, they were inundated with a form of discipline and they had no choice but to comply. It was necessary for their protection. While my students were well behaved and incidents were minimal, other classrooms didn't enjoy the type of compliance with the students.
Flash forward 20 years... The state of schools today aren't the same. Students are in many cases, belligerent towards teachers, family's aren't as involved and insensitive to their children's development. I have a couple of friends that teach. I hear about the changes in attitude. States have stripped discipline from the classroom, offering minimal ramifications for bad behavior because of political correctness. The fear of lawsuits is extremely high and this has helped generate a student that is embolden in defiance. I'd say the state has become mediocrity. Families are and should be the front battleground in a child's development and structure... but we are in a crisis because of the breakdown of the family element.
Feisty, I have seen waaaaay too many parents try and be their childs best friend, with disastrous consequences...one mother letting her 13 year old daughter out at all hours of the night with her 18 year old "boyfriend" and his friends. The result: she's pregnant, and get this...not really sure WHO the father is.
Another family destroyed when the father let his son have beer parties at the house. The result: the son is dead, and the father in jail.
While you think you are being hard on your kids for being a bit strict at times, you thank yourself when they are older, and the best part: they thank you too.
Hey Mark - It was late, but I did respond to your inquiry about the job search. Maybe you didn't catch it... anyway, I started working on Monday, out of state again, but I don't know how long this will last. There are a few positives about the job, but the negatives are building up. I accepted the position as a project manager for a private developer.
The work is good, but the developers are problematic. They don't understand construction principles, timing, procedures and constraints. I've worked under these conditions before, and have won most battles, but I am continuing to search in the event that I lose my patience with these people. I can accept most things, but I hate micromanagement and told them this up front before I was hired. The message was delivered, but I feel they haven't received it yet so I will employ my tactics to eliminate it or end up walking off. The jury is still out.
Thanks for asking. I appreciate the concern... let's hope it works out. Hope you are doing good even though the weather is dreary. Want some of our sunshine and heat? Montgomery is going to be 83 and sunny.
What I found from fellow teachers was that they miss the single, most essential facts- one, there is only one adult in the classroom, and, two- there is something to like and admire in every single child in your class.
The first two weeks of the school year were MY learning time- getting to know each child. After that, focussing on the strength of each child.
You'd be amazed at how they respond.
It's sad how many children are emotionally neglected by their families. The number of parents I had to inform of their own child's musical talent, or writing talent, or mathematical ability.
You have to wonder why these people even had children.
Brianb, our schools have been in the same state for many years. There has been a trial of sorts over the past several years of re-introducing uniforms. It has had many positive outcomes. The best for the parents is no bitching in the morning over what to wear. For the schools it has become a unifying structure for the students and has instilled a sense of pride. The added bonus is that the kids are not beating each other up over the latest Nikes. Graduation results are up and the majority of students now enter institutions of higher learning.
Ideology, growing up on the Canadian border, I was always somewhat jealous of the schools in Canada. Having friends living there we used to compare notes. In high school, my school was private. The public schools were embroiled in race riots in the early 70's so my parents took me out for safety purposes.
While I do agree with some aspects of uniforms, I don't like the homogenizing effect. Catholic schools in Buffalo had uniform dresses/skirts for girls and boys had to wear blue slacks, white shirts and ties. My all boy high school required a jacket or a sweater also and we had to keep our hair short. Since I grew up with a dress code, the one thing I discovered is that it never hurt me.
Right on, Brian. Hope it works out for you. Love the rain in SoCal, don't see that much of it in these parts! We get plenty of 80 degree plus days in the winter.
About the school thing - we had a tragic incident a couple of weeks ago in LA where a couple of 10 year old girls got in a fight over a boy, and one of the girls hit the other so hard it killed her. This happened at school. The question I had right away was what kind of home influence would a 10 year old have to have to enable her to do something like this? I realize such an incident is super-rare, but is troubling in light of other discipline problems. My simplistic take? Too many kids. We all know that it just takes one rotten apple (not the school's fault - starts at home) to ruin the bunch and in a classroom of 30+ kids a teacher doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Kids also seem bolder and less respectful of adults - maybe it has always been that way and I am noticing it more as I become and old fart - but man, my dad would have clobbered me if I would have come out with some of the stuff I hear kids say to adults these days. It all most definitely starts at home.
Braving the storm to drive to San Diego to spend the weekend with my brother's family. I'm outta here, have a good one.
"While I do agree with some aspects of uniforms, I don't like the homogenizing effect."
Brianb, there is also the homogenizing effect of the fashion of the day. Strong individuals emerge from both. My argument for uniforms would be that it is one less area of competitiveness. Academics and sports are enough.
I am very Conservative when it comes to education.
Kids in some schools here in New York have killed their classmates over $200 sneakers and 8 ball jackets...makes you long for the days of Pro Keds or Converse high tops and cardigans
Some of the magnet schools in our area are requiring uniforms. I know when my girl was in school it was talked about, but folks didn't want to go to the expense of buying uniforms. I found that odd considering how much the latest fashions would cost a parent!
[Some of the magnet schools in our area are requiring uniforms.]
More and more schools are requiring at least some sort of dress code...no more pajama bottoms or pants hanging below the waist with boxer shorts showing.
But it seems parents would rather buy their kids $200 sneakers than pay for school uniforms. When I was young(er), Parochial schools supplied the uniforms.
I neglected to attribute the poem several posts above. It is one of many versions titled 'The Wearing of the Green' by Dion Boucicault ... a strange Irish name. He was well know in the theater world on both sides of the Atlantic and was much praised in New York.
In his play The Vampire (1852), Boucicault made his début as a leading actor as the vampire 'Sir Alan Raby'. Although the play itself had mixed reviews, Boucicault's characterization was praised as "a dreadful and weird thing played with immortal genius" ... Wiki
"a dreadful and weird thing played with immortal genius" ... Damn I wish I wrote that line.
You have a lot to say about how people should behave but why is it you cannot or will not follow your own advice?
You said [ranging from invasion of privacy]. Yet just 9 months ago you were one of only a few people that posted comments from a chat room for the sole purpose to embarrass, intimidate and ridicule them. You, by posting comments supplied to you from an anonymous source {safecracker}, violated exactly what you just preached to the World via the web today.
Then you said [Live it yourselves. Ignore the people you dislike- don't engage in petty name calling or "pranks".] But you use bully tactics every day by the words you use to belittle those you disagree with or imply they are uneducated or that they are inferior to you rather than just making your counterpoint or ignoring them.
Is this the example you expect everyone to follow?
Dennis, grow up. I was sent comments that pertained to ME. One of the things my mother taught me was that you should never say anything ABOUT anyone you would not say TO them.
YOU allowed your little chat room to be posted on Google. To even attempt to compare that to an 18 year old having an encounter in a private room webcast for all to see is lame, at best- but bespeaks the highly inflated importance in which you hold your little "chats".
In other words, of you, and the rest of your cabal, cannot see the difference, I cannot help you.
You are a sad group of people. I was addressing a great ill that faces our nation - children who are left to their own devices by parents and teachers. You internalize that to reflect on yourselves- a group of supposed adults who engage in middle school level conversations ABOUT others- who are outraged to discover that your comments are posted for all to see. If you were embarrassed, it says more about you than those who sent the Google link./p>
The fact of the matter is, your entire group is part of the problem- delayed adolescence into middle age. We're it not for people like you, those old enough to go to college might not find such behavior acceptable.
Well said Dennis. I am just getting to read this thread, and cannot believe what I read by nojo.
She doesn't like to be called a hypocrite, are you kidding me nojo? You are the epimote of hypocrisy. You have the nerve to call others to task on privacy and respect, you, who never respects others who disagree and show how you are mistaken. Really these are hollow words coming from you.
As one of the victims of your invasion of mine and others privacy I will never forget or forgive you, it is not a left or right thing, it is your lack of common decency in making the decision to publish private writings that leaves me appalled and now outraged that you apparently cannot see that what you did is akin to what Dharun Ravi did. Hypocrite!!!
High Priest- they published themselves. On Google.
Then got mad- sort of like, if the marketing manager of a company sent a magazine internal documents rather than ad copy might be mad- at the people who read it.
So, they publicly printed their juvenalia- and somebody sent me a link to the copy that pertained to me. A Google link, I might add- not a private, hacked link.
Then, other people sent me more links- by which time, I was bored beyond words with their baloney. One thing that struck, however- three months prior, one of their administrators was notified- and told them they were wrong./p>
They still do not understand that public publicaction is, well, public. They don't blame the administrators who assured them that, no, it did not matter that if they Googled themselves, they got into their own chat room. No. It's the fault of others that it was published.
Which brings us back to this: I can well imagine that the young man who did the filming said "it was MY room, he can't have privacy if it is MY room." And remind me, did the court agree with him?
But, of course, no jo: you will accuse everyone else of that which you do. Why? Because you don't know the difference between right and wrong.
Which makes your original post so ridiculous, it defies credulity.
But, I am fortunate in my friends. That you are jealous amuses me beyond words.
As for you "Priest", I simply do not care what you think of this.
Oh, dear Lord, deliver us from her evil. She STILL doesn't know how the stealing of the bike off the neighbor's yard and then parading it up and down the street all the while TAUNTING, "you left it out, you left it out!" is somehow INDECENT? What a complete and utter MORON.
Really, that anyone would take her 'advice' on ethics or any other moral high ground just speaks volumes about HER OWN Self Righteous 'Importance', no?
And High Priest,...IF you really CARE to be informed,...Feel Free - I bet you don't, and would rather just stoke the fire of hate, eh?
Again,...I would encourage you to read all of the posts.
SITUATIONAL ETHICS are Donna's speciality. After Four Years of her BS,...many of us tend to laugh at her feeble attempts at 'honest' discourse. But, hey, we've already Been There Done That!
Happy St. Paddy's Day, to all! Feisty, girl, you cook a MEAN Corned Beef and Cabbage and I am considering my arrangements for NEXT year,...although we should really give GBMama a shot at it! I suspect she's not half bad at it, either? Hugs!
Gee, Clara, thanks for the trip down memory lane. It was especially nice of you to link to the page where you admitted that you WERE NOT hacked- you published yourselves on Google.
And somebody found it.
Actually, I'd forgotten that the worst of the controversy was your groups' coordinated efforts to collapse posts and get certain posters banned. Clean forgot about it. Thanks for reminding me.
And acquainting others who were not here at the time with your practices.
Actually, this post, by dangerfield, (on the page Clara so thoughtfully provided), about sums up the entirety of what went on
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Amazing: We have a group of people that seem to think stealing private conversations is a virtue. These are the same types of people who defend a mugger who beat up a grandma on her way back from a ATM. The defense: it was grandma's fault she should not have been on the street.
No, actually what we have are a band of idiots who outed themselves as clique of nattering ninnies gossiping in private about who they didn't like and how to gang up on them on the public site, including having a designated monitor badgering the moderators to get their way.
You were NOT hacked so stop lying. You, the one nervous nellie, whose big worry was about what you may have been caught saying! (And now I know why you were so worried, and frankly, I don't blame you lol...:)
we weren't actually hacked, bev. it appears to be a function of naivete on my part. I think compromised is the better word. but those in possession of our conversations don't seem to have any qualms about using it, even though they've been informed we believed it was private.
And you CONSPIRED to delete posts by flagging them as advertising. And I do mean YOU...
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio (Jun 19, 10:44 AM): >Feisty,I reported a couple days ago that for some reason banned user's home pages are not always being deleted. C U Farley's home page is still there but unused since last Dec which implies that he/they can no longer log in under that name.As far as Newsvine doing nothing what I have noticed is that most all reports I make over the weekend nothing gets done. It appears to be most effective M-F when Sally & Tyler are on the job.I suggested using the advertising flag because it will get a comment deleted rather than collapsed. The improper use of the advertising flag can get you suspended of banned.
US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 19, 10:59 AM): Dennis: Consider it done. Will take a few minutes.
"Dennis consider it done" ...how compliant...
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Jun 19, 9:26 AM): Nice work gang - it's been deleted - now we can only hope it wasn't saved somewhere...
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Jun 19, 3:15 PM): He's back - already flagged for advertising...
Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 19, 2:24 PM): I just flagged that one as advertising as well. This guy was obviously banned at some point and now he's going after Feisty as revenge. His posting conversations from this group is totally off topic, to say the least, not to mention a seriouse breach of code.
So while you may dispute and BS Murray may deny being a co-conspirator, (and one would like to believe that an adult with a real job wouldn't be in league with a rag-tag gang of sycophants and cheerleaders.) every other petty, nasty, junior -high, mean girl act of this band of "friends" can be documented via your own words.
You are a liar and a cheat; you tried to game the system with your private group, were outed because of your own stupidity and now you are continuing to lie about being hacked.
John Edwards and John Ensign, both being liars and cheats, would both fit right in to your new group, as despite your BS, lying and cheating know no party affiliation.
For those of you reading this: this is why no jo is not taken seriously as a poster, and why she is held in such contempt. Some of you are in chat rooms, all of you have the expectation of privacy, imagine how you would feel about this.
But it puts the lie to the original post. No jo does not care about privacy, honesty or people's feelings.
Jesus H. Christ on a pop sickle stick...talk about mood swings...no wonder everyone thinks she's bat@!$%# crazy.
And she's a teacher? From New Jersey? Hmmm...I wonder how much of a pension she's pulling down. Unless she's refusing to collect...you know...on principle?
This NoJo chick has some serious issues. I hope her State funded healthcare covers mental illness.
No pension, Mickey. The term is "former" teacher. I left to continue my education- on my own dime, I might add.
The only pension I'll ever collect is the money I've put aside for my own retirement.
Which, by the way, Pelosi has her greedy little eyes on. Fortunately, if she makes any more remarks about the billions sitting out there in 401k accounts, the democratic party will be a distant, unpleasant memory.
I'd advise you, by the way, to go back and read the entire post again. You know, to see who posted when the entire conversation began to devolve.
[I'd advise you, by the way, to go back and read the entire post again.]
You'll "advise" me? Sorry NoJo..not gonna happen in your lifetime or mine. You come across as a freaking headcase nutbag...why would I want to take "advice" from you?
Besides, I read the posts...you simply couldn't cut your losses and leave well enough alone.
You are your own worst enemy, Donna. Could it be you're chasing one too many demons?
[The only pension I'll ever collect is the money I've put aside for my own retirement.]
You mean you want me to believe that as a "former" teacher, you won't be collecting a single dime from your teachers pension? Wow...what did you do to get that taken away from you...must have been something terrible...I mean, even if you did a short stint, you would be eligble for something, right?
Ok, lets say you didn't do something terrible to get your pension taken away, I must say it is mighty noble of you to just let that pension, as small as it may be, just slip through your fingers like that...you must carry that torch high.
You have to wonder why these people even had children.
They had children because sex is a powerful and natural urge, the same as hunger and thirst.
This is what happens, no jo, when people have no access to contraception and abortion or have been bullied by their church into thinking that family planning is against god's will.
one thing I have noticed about the right wing is how paranoid they tend to be. They have a tremendous amount of fear, Maybe that's why there aren't any right wing comedians! Too scared to laugh.
its ironic no jo started off decrying the actions of a college student spying on his gay roommate and sharing the information with others, and ended up up republishing chat room messages of people who did not know they were being recorded. Thank goodness noone here has any intention of killing themselves over it.
nojo, to allay your fears, you have control over the situation. If you want people to like you, then try to take the high road. You'd win alot more respect if you discussed politics here without making everything so personal.
In my experience, I've discovered there is a tendency for a person like Donna, who behaves bitterly and vindictively in one area of her life, to express her anger and negativity in the rest of her personal and professional relationships. We can be sure the opinions of the people on this site are shared by the majority of people she knows. She can't keep that dark, self-destructive side of her hidden under a basket; it is her self-imposed curse. She is indeed her own worst enemy.
tick tock, head priest - I notice you 'ramped' up quickly on the players,...for someone who JUST registered in February,...very curious, eh? We didn't post anything on Google or anywhere else,...it was our group here on newsvine that someone else accessed and cached. Not that you are any better at reading comprehension than Donna.
ps. Don't attribute a quote to me that I didn't make.
Happy St Patrick's Day: An Irish Blessing for all my friends
May you always have work for your hands to do. May your pockets hold always a coin or two. May the sun shine bright on your windowpane. May the rainbow be certain to follow each rain. May the hand of a friend always be near you. And may God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you.
May you have the hindsight to know where you've been the foresight to know where you're going and the insight to know when you're going too far.
Happy St. Patrick's Day to our very own Irish lassie! Sending lots of special thoughts to you as you think of home but are surrounded (actually and virtually) by those who love you!
Gingerbread Mamma - Considering the day, wouldn't an Irish blessing be extended to all those respecting the reason for the day? Being Irish means much more today than ideological differences.
So, I will offer an Irish blessing on all people that are and consider themselves Irish today!
Awwww, that was nice phancy!! Of course the same is extended to you and your family. When I lived in Buffalo as a youth, our backyard was full of shamrocks and three leafed clover. Since being in the south, I have yet to come across a shamrock. Shamrocks are smart... they don't like heat... LOL!
phancy - I'm sure they will do very good if you keep them in a lighted window, inside where it's cooler. As small children, we used to eat them... they have an interesting flavor that I still remember... sort of sweet and not unpleasant.
My only worry is that the cats would try and eat them! But, I may follow up on my idea and get that pot of shamrocks. The idea gives on a good feeling.
We will have the luck of the Irish tomorrow in St. Paul for the parade. It will be 78 degrees!!! Unbelievable.
The parade is a real family affair. Each family clan is dressed with banners, lots of green, kids in strollers, lots of dogs with shamrock ears. A real motley crew...
Well, GBM and Northstar, since Feisty, and IR are otherwise occupied, I got to the Dew Drop Inn to set up and open the doors and get the party rolling. What did I see? We had visitors at the DDI, the leiperchan had been there ahead of me, and while they did leave it a green and gold wonder, the dear old Dew Drop looking mighty proud in Irish colors, there had been a bit of mischief too. The wee people had scattered the bar stools around, and to make it a true American Irish celebration, had turned the beer green. Seems like they had a few themselves, I found the tiny little tankards under the bar, but to show what good sports they are, they had cleaned up and mended the boots that we keep in the entry closet for mudding around the property. Can't beat that.
At this hour, the Dew Drop Inn St Patrick's celebration is in full swing. I'll be asking for a reel with each of the gentleman there, my favorite Irish band just now playing Teir Abhaile Riu, perfect for a dance!
What oh what have we learned? Heck, I don't know, too late in the party to worry about it. Ask me next week. The Corned Beef and Cabbage is too delicious, the Guinness too inviting to worry about it tonight
Feisty, Clara, you have fun, and don't do anything that we wouldn't do! IR, that first reel is for you!
My thanks to my hosts, Cead Mile Failte to all who came to the Dew Drop tonight!
I so enjoy all of your posts throughout the week! Helps me get geared up for Sunday Talk.
I wish you all a great St. Paddy's weekend. And oh, if the jukebox is still going there ( you guys are way ahead of me time zone wise), I did think of a request. Another oldie. By Leslie Gore. Dedicated to the GOP. : "It's My Party (and I'll Cry If I Want To)". Have a safe and happy weekend.
There you guys go, getting off topic! The video show cased some excellent acting by Andy. I totally believed he was reporting from Gilligan's Island where Romney got the Thurston Howel III vote! Andy is really developing as an actor, or maybe he'd started St Patrick's day a little early.
Oh, and Dom as usual, so cute, especially when he so seriously announced a debut of an anti-bullying cartoon on the cartoon network, as if he were announcing the location of another candidates' debate; hey, wait a minute, wouldn't the Republican primary itself do well on the cartoon network?
Parade in Portland starts at the statue of filmmaker John Ford, originally Feeney, who grew up in Portland, Me. Only in America is his story even possible, Irish immigrant's son, working class Mainer, grows up to make Westerns and shape the myths we live by.
See you Monday!
The great thing about St. Patrick's Day being on Saturday this year is that we can have a 3 day celebration at the Dew Drop Inn. Irish soda bread and Irish coffee at the breakfast buffet this morning and the parade is about to start.
A family of Irish birth will argue and fight, but let a shout come from without and see them all unite.
At a certain age some people's minds close up they live on their intellectual fat.
I believe in the sun when it's not shining, I believe in love even when I feel it not, I believe in God even when he is silent.
May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand.
GOP.....my mother was a Deegan tell your wife Happy ST Patrick's Day.
NDD and Northstar, you shame me by being more Irish and delight me no end for that too.
The auld DDI is jumpin' tonight and the great music fills my heart. The haunting music of James Galway as it drifts across the night air, reminds me of the Cliffs of Moher on a cool misty morning several years ago. This is the only day in the year I am truly homesick, so I fill the house with friends to share in some laughter and good yarns, ably oiled by some good brew and whiskey and lots of good Irish food (which our local supermarket was kind enough to put on sale this week).
Slainte Friends and may peace always be with you and yours.
My favorite Irish blessing. It hangs on a wall in my house and was given by the priest at my wedding. My father was from County Cork. Today has always been a special day in the WCA family.
My wife's ancestors are from County Cork also. Dunno rightly where that's at, but I hear it is a green, beautiful place. I think it is toward the south of Ireland, but I am not sure.
Corned Beef sounds real good Northstar. :o) More o' that green beer'd suit me just fine too. Mug is so frosty I gotta chip a hole in the top to drink it.
That's the ticket.
Eeeew,....watch out for these peppercorns in the corned beef.
I feel I've been laying down on the job as far as the troll thing goes Northstar, but I appreciate the accolades. Wife is in final stretch for her degree @ Eastern Michigan Univ., and I gotta' do more Daddy duty.
No matter how many trolls you doze down two more spring up in their place.
Seems like Romney took the Mormon vote in the Western states, but against Obama, or any other carbon-based life form he's going to go down in November.
I'm sure he'll succor himself with his millions, or maybe he could do the honorable thing and commit suicide by jumping off a pile of his pirated loot.
Will do Northstar. Hope all is well wit you. Best wishes to Feisty and Clara. Have fun, but not too much fun. Don't wanna' have to bail you out. I'll bet Chicago is raucous at St. Patty's Day.
I think Mitt Romney will do much better in Illinois than in places like Mississippi.
I expect Mitt to lose Texas, but overall he will be the eventual nominee. That's pretty much a given. All this dickering between the esteemed candidates just serves to strengthen the GOP. Plenty of press on all their debates, new conferences, etc. That much is free at least.
After the convention, when all Republicans and plenty of Independents are coalesced behind Romney, it will be up to the Romney machine to bring all their forces to bear against Obama, and his failed policies. They can't let the pressure up for even a minute before election day. Great entertainment.
The general, original idea of an "open and transparent process," was good. But, it has gone on too long and lacked genuine substance. Most of the time was spent arguing over personalities or poorly thought out plans (e.g. Cain's 9-9-9).
IMO, the only viable candidate, who actually ran, was Romney (and given the banking disaster, I doubt HE could win this year). But, Romney has had to move too far to the right to get the nomination. By the time the Convention, in Tampa, gives it to him, there will be insufficient time left in the campaign for him to "gracefully" move back toward the middle to capture the more-middle-of-the-road Independent vote.
He's caught between "the rock and the hard place." If he moves abruptly to the center, he'll lose the base; if he remains with the base, he'll lose the middle. Both parties often make this mistake. It comes from a misinterpretation of the mainstream vote when the "base" moves too far left or right. It colors their "analysis" of elections and they compound their mistakes.
If you want your voice to be heard on First Read, post comments tomorrow morning. Should be devoid of the usual progressive, um, voices... they will be worshipping the porcelin gods, no doubt.
They wont be able to show up at their useless public sector jobs till next Wednesday, not that they will be missed.
Bob must lead a terribly boring life...maybe the leprechauns will pay him a visit today and fill his black heart with joy...even NoJo had a visit, it seems...
Happy St Pats Day, ya liberal hooligans. Saints preserve ya!
A shout out to all the Irish in Southie, they will drink to the health of their heroes, the now-captured gangster "Whitey" Bulger and his brother, now retired and enjoying his six figure public pension courtesy of the taxpayers, the esteemed former Democratic Speaker of the Mass. House, Billy "the Corrupt Midget" Bulger.
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Thanks to FR , our hosts and all who posted this week. The one thing we have in common is a interst in politics and time to voice our opinions, the facts we found and always by Friday, happy for a weekend pause.
This eve of the feast of St. Patrick I have begun my celebration. The parade and big Irish dinner will be tomorrow.
I have been blessed to be able to visit Ireland and see where my ancestors called home back to the ancient times.
One of my favorite Saints is Brendan of Clonfert.
He and a small band of monks set sailed form Aran on a seven year voyage. Some say he touched the North American outer islands long before Columbus.
At his homecoming at Aran Island, a poet wrote:
Seven years in all were they
On the voyage- fair was the band-
Seeking the land of promise
With its flocks, a strong subtle turn,
And they found it at last
In the high meadow of the ocean.
An island rich, everlasting, undivided,
Abounding in salmon, fair and beauteous.
___________________________________________________________________
Maybe,they did find America, maybe not ...
but all my immigrating ancestors did and I am thankful!
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
Nice post, Northstar. Sadly, it fits with what I was going to post. I know it's the weekend, and St. Patrick's Day- but this is important.
Some time ago, a young man who disliked his roommate in college pulled a very dirty trick- set up a webcam to catch him "in the act" with another man.
Twice.
Yesterday, that 20 year old was convicted on fifteen charges ranging from invasion of privacy, to witness tampering, to bias intimidation. If you read the charges on which the jury convicted, and those on which they acquitted, you will be proud of these jurors, proud of our system of justice, and sad for our nation- that, in this day and age, such a trial should be necessary.
The young man thus convicted wil certainly go to prison- and then, may be deported to his native India. ,whatever happens, his victim will still be dead.
So, why am I telling you all of this? Because you can do something to prevent future tragedies- particularly if you are a parent.
Teach your children.
Teach them that name calling is NEVER, under any circumstances, acceptable behavior.
Teach them that people are, as my father always said, "whos"- not "whats".
They like the little girl with the big smile who shares her toys for that reason- NOT because she has curly hair.
They dislike the little boy who pinches and yells for those reasons- NOT because he has red hair.
But that the little boy who pinches and yells deserves the same respect as the little girl- because he is human. If they call him names, or pinch back- they are just like him.
Teach them to have respect for themselves, their friends- and those they dislike. That they will NOT like everyone they meet- but they must respect them.
Put simply, teach them the Golden Rule.
Live it yourselves. Ignore the people you dislike- don't engage in petty name calling or "pranks".
I don't believe Dharun Ravi ever believed Tyler Clementi would commit suicide. Neither did the prosecutor- who did not charge him with provoking that final, desperate act. Ravi did, however, set Clementi up to be a laughing stock- and he got "friends" to cheer him on- the same friends who, when called to the witness stand, testified to what he had said, done- and documented with tweets and text messages.
His life , at twenty, is ruined.
Clementi's is over- ended by his own hand.
I can think of no better catalyst to force people to examine their own lives, and to attempt to promote change- beginning within their own families.
very nice, no jo.
Yes. It is a life lesson of what happens when you invade someone's privacy, and hold them up for public ridicule.
Right, no jo? Those things can have serious outcomes, which is also a lesson for YOU!
NDD,
Coming from the nut job in NJ - this is PRICESS!
Since she of ALL people knows a thing or two about invading other peoples privacy...
It would be nice if she actually practiced what she preaches...
PS: Irish coffee & sticky buns on the veranda this mornig...
I know, Feisty, the hypocrisy is so rank it stinks. Honestly, I can't think of when I have been more amazed by something like this.
They are damn lucky that they did not have a similar outcome. And that their lies did not cause physical harm.
You and Clara are having a lot of fun, I bet!
You know it! ;o)
Met up with Beverly yesterday, what a smart lady she is & even funnier in person (my sides are still aching this morning).
St. Paddy's day dinner with all the fixings at Feisty's house tonight! lol
But that the little boy who pinches and yells deserves the same respect as the little girl- because he is human. If they call him names, or pinch back- they are just like him.
Sorry NoJo, but I am not buying into this. Yes bullies are human, and they need help. My daughter was bullied by a boy but the parents were in complete denial so I taught her how to punch with a nice snap of the wrist ... she was bullied no more and he stopped being a bully. At times it is but the short swift reaction that teaches a life lesson.
Here's a cute stat for you ... go into any bar and take a seat ... one out of ten men at a minimum at that bar beat women.
Tell me NoJo, had Ravi actually pulled the trigger would you be screaming for his head? No excuses at that point?
I would LOVE to meet Beverly! And I'll be there.
I agree with you Ideo. Bullies deserve NO respect. No jo is just making excuses for her behavior last summer. One of my daughters was bullied too. When the boy was bothering her in the classroom, I taught her to stand up, turn around, hit her fist on the desk and say "KNOCK IT OFF". Got the teacher's attention, and then the parents as well.
Now that I am no longer in rant mode ... for you Irish Americans
O Paddy dear, and did you hear the news that's going round?
The shamrock is by law forbid to grow on Irish ground;
St. Patrick's Day no more we’ll keep, his colours can't be seen,
For there’s a bloody law again' the wearing of the green.
I met with Napper Tandy, and he took me by the hand.
And he said : "How's poor old Ireland, and how does she stand?"
She's the most distressful country that ever yet was seen,
For they're hanging men and women for the wearing of the green.
Then if the colour we must wear is England's cruel red,
Sure Ireland’s sons will ne'er forget the blood that they have shed.
You may take the shamrock from your hat and cast it on the sod,
But 'twill take root and flourish there, though under foot 'tis trod.
When law can stop the blades of grass from growing as they grow,
And when the leaves in summer-time their verdure dare not show,
Then I will change the colour that I wear in my caubeen,
But till that day, dear God, I’ll stick to the wearing of the green.
But if at last our colour should be torn from Ireland's heart,
Her sons with shame and sorrow from the dear old isle will part;
I’ve heard a whisper of a country that lies beyond the sea,
Where rich and poor stand equal in the light of freedom's day.
Oh, Erin, must we leave you, driven by a tyrant's hand,
Must we ask a mother's blessing from a strange and distant land,
Where the cruel cross of England shall nevermore be seen,
And where. Please God, we’ll live and die still wearing Ireland's green.
Not to change the subject, but ya gotta love that sheepish look on Santorum's face and his lame attempt at backpedaling over his gaffe in Puerto Rico.
How does he walk with his foot lodged in his mouth?
What a crap president he'd make. Fortunately, he's demonstrating that brilliantly at every campaign stop.
Mittens is pretty pathetic himself to have to struggle against such a weak opponent as Santorum.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
No Jo---First Read's own version of Newt Gingrich---somehow manages to be condescending and hypocritcal at the same time.
Ideology,
As the wife of one of those Irish lads, all I can say is well done.
kaybeetoys ... if Mitt, Newt, and Rick keep stepping on their own lips I don't know that any of them will be able to speak come convention time. Maybe that's why Sarah wants the primary to continue ... then she can swoop in and be the star that only she thinks she is.
No, ideology, I would not.
I am heartbroken for the family of the victim- and the perpetrator. One young man is dead- the other's life is ruined. All because no one ever taught the perpetrator that others deserved respect.
I'm sorry, but that kind of waste just devastates me.
I'm sorry your little girl was bullied- and sorry she had to fight back in order to stop the bullying. Still, if more parents and teachers were actively involved in civilizing our children, bullying of any kind would cease.
It would be a much better world.
Happy St Patty's day all. This is one day that Green is good. Irish whiskey will be poured later in the day... Bushmills is sitting on the shelf. My personal favorite.
It's a shame that there are those that find the need to be snarky and hateful today. Any chance to call someone a hypocrite is always in the air by those spreading their own brand of "my ideology is superior." Blind shut down of any sort of open minded discussion permeates through certain posters, seems to be prevalent, and there's no end in sight. The left-right battle continues.
I'm sorry but don't you have to have a ♥ in order to be heartbroken?
Save it NJNB - no one is buying what you're selling...
I'm sorry your little girl was bullied- and sorry she had to fight back in order to stop the bullying. Still, if more parents and teachers were actively involved in civilizing our children, bullying of any kind would cease.
NoJo, I do agree with you on this point. Where we probably would disagree is the method of accomplishing this. We would agree that that both family and church have an active role to play, but to my mind so does the State. Teachers need not only greater powers within the classroom but they also need better training and smaller student teacher ratios which will require higher taxes. Then there is the problem of how to teach the parents of bulliers, many do not go to church. Is your country ready to fund the social services needed? What I hear from the Right on this board is little but ranting about the "Guberment Teat"
It would be a much better world if Conservatives and Liberals could find common ground ... it is possible.
BTW ... ineptness is in all of my dictionaries.:-)
Well, we agree on one thing- class sizes. Smaller is, definitely, better. What's also necessary is an attitude adjustment.
When I was teaching, I had just two rules in my classroom- the only name anyone could be called was their own, and nobody laughed at anybody unless that person told a joke. Amazingly, (to some), I did not need any other rules. Respect flowed from those two rules.
You may find it interesting that, in teacher meetings, I was told that I could NOT possibly enforce those rules. My response? There is only one adult in that room- me- and I fully intend to enforce them.
I really never had any problems with the kids. The adults, on the other hand. . .
NoJo, it is a start, but I do not feel that we are ready yet for the closing lines from Casablanca.
p.s. I am sure you were a fine and exacting teacher. Enjoy your weekend ... and Monday? ... well once more into the fray.
brianb,
Lost in last night's discussion I asked how your job search was going.
Anything working out for you?
Very fond of the Bushmills myself. They make some fantastic single malts.
It is a stormy SoCal morning, cold (by our standards), windy, and pouring rain. Very Irish.
The luck o' the green to all.
[The adults, on the other hand. . .]
Some parents no longer get involved in their children's lives beyond the extent of trying to be their friend rather than a parent. I'm not saying that parents shouldn't be their child's friend...but you have to be a parent FIRST and FOREMOST.
The reaction (or lack thereof) from Dharun Ravi at the verdict was bizarre as well. No real reaction to speak of. Even during the trial he seemed to be detached...yawning...falling asleep. He could have avoided all this by taking the plea deal offered. Now he goes to jail for probably 10 years, then he'll be deported back to India.
Ideology - Between 82 and 87 I was a high school teacher. The students I taught immediately received instruction in following the rules because I taught a construction building course. Considering the dangers involved with the use of power tools, climbing and not following safety rules, they were inundated with a form of discipline and they had no choice but to comply. It was necessary for their protection. While my students were well behaved and incidents were minimal, other classrooms didn't enjoy the type of compliance with the students.
Flash forward 20 years... The state of schools today aren't the same. Students are in many cases, belligerent towards teachers, family's aren't as involved and insensitive to their children's development. I have a couple of friends that teach. I hear about the changes in attitude. States have stripped discipline from the classroom, offering minimal ramifications for bad behavior because of political correctness. The fear of lawsuits is extremely high and this has helped generate a student that is embolden in defiance. I'd say the state has become mediocrity. Families are and should be the front battleground in a child's development and structure... but we are in a crisis because of the breakdown of the family element.
Man OH Man Mickey!
You sure hit the nail on the head!
I am best friends with my daughter today, but when she was growing up I was her MOTHER first & foremost!
Today she is an amazing, dedicated, talented & witty teacher!
Feisty, I have seen waaaaay too many parents try and be their childs best friend, with disastrous consequences...one mother letting her 13 year old daughter out at all hours of the night with her 18 year old "boyfriend" and his friends. The result: she's pregnant, and get this...not really sure WHO the father is.
Another family destroyed when the father let his son have beer parties at the house. The result: the son is dead, and the father in jail.
While you think you are being hard on your kids for being a bit strict at times, you thank yourself when they are older, and the best part: they thank you too.
Hey Mark - It was late, but I did respond to your inquiry about the job search. Maybe you didn't catch it... anyway, I started working on Monday, out of state again, but I don't know how long this will last. There are a few positives about the job, but the negatives are building up. I accepted the position as a project manager for a private developer.
The work is good, but the developers are problematic. They don't understand construction principles, timing, procedures and constraints. I've worked under these conditions before, and have won most battles, but I am continuing to search in the event that I lose my patience with these people. I can accept most things, but I hate micromanagement and told them this up front before I was hired. The message was delivered, but I feel they haven't received it yet so I will employ my tactics to eliminate it or end up walking off. The jury is still out.
Thanks for asking. I appreciate the concern... let's hope it works out. Hope you are doing good even though the weather is dreary. Want some of our sunshine and heat? Montgomery is going to be 83 and sunny.
Im sure you did a great job, Brian.
What I found from fellow teachers was that they miss the single, most essential facts- one, there is only one adult in the classroom, and, two- there is something to like and admire in every single child in your class.
The first two weeks of the school year were MY learning time- getting to know each child. After that, focussing on the strength of each child.
You'd be amazed at how they respond.
It's sad how many children are emotionally neglected by their families. The number of parents I had to inform of their own child's musical talent, or writing talent, or mathematical ability.
You have to wonder why these people even had children.
[You have to wonder why these people even had children.]
Tax deductions?
Brianb, our schools have been in the same state for many years. There has been a trial of sorts over the past several years of re-introducing uniforms. It has had many positive outcomes. The best for the parents is no bitching in the morning over what to wear. For the schools it has become a unifying structure for the students and has instilled a sense of pride. The added bonus is that the kids are not beating each other up over the latest Nikes. Graduation results are up and the majority of students now enter institutions of higher learning.
NoJo ... bring the teacher on Monday ... the one you used to be.
Ideology, growing up on the Canadian border, I was always somewhat jealous of the schools in Canada. Having friends living there we used to compare notes. In high school, my school was private. The public schools were embroiled in race riots in the early 70's so my parents took me out for safety purposes.
While I do agree with some aspects of uniforms, I don't like the homogenizing effect. Catholic schools in Buffalo had uniform dresses/skirts for girls and boys had to wear blue slacks, white shirts and ties. My all boy high school required a jacket or a sweater also and we had to keep our hair short. Since I grew up with a dress code, the one thing I discovered is that it never hurt me.
Right on, Brian. Hope it works out for you. Love the rain in SoCal, don't see that much of it in these parts! We get plenty of 80 degree plus days in the winter.
About the school thing - we had a tragic incident a couple of weeks ago in LA where a couple of 10 year old girls got in a fight over a boy, and one of the girls hit the other so hard it killed her. This happened at school. The question I had right away was what kind of home influence would a 10 year old have to have to enable her to do something like this? I realize such an incident is super-rare, but is troubling in light of other discipline problems. My simplistic take? Too many kids. We all know that it just takes one rotten apple (not the school's fault - starts at home) to ruin the bunch and in a classroom of 30+ kids a teacher doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Kids also seem bolder and less respectful of adults - maybe it has always been that way and I am noticing it more as I become and old fart - but man, my dad would have clobbered me if I would have come out with some of the stuff I hear kids say to adults these days. It all most definitely starts at home.
Braving the storm to drive to San Diego to spend the weekend with my brother's family. I'm outta here, have a good one.
"While I do agree with some aspects of uniforms, I don't like the homogenizing effect."
Brianb, there is also the homogenizing effect of the fashion of the day. Strong individuals emerge from both. My argument for uniforms would be that it is one less area of competitiveness. Academics and sports are enough.
I am very Conservative when it comes to education.
Kids in some schools here in New York have killed their classmates over $200 sneakers and 8 ball jackets...makes you long for the days of Pro Keds or Converse high tops and cardigans
Some of the magnet schools in our area are requiring uniforms. I know when my girl was in school it was talked about, but folks didn't want to go to the expense of buying uniforms. I found that odd considering how much the latest fashions would cost a parent!
[Some of the magnet schools in our area are requiring uniforms.]
More and more schools are requiring at least some sort of dress code...no more pajama bottoms or pants hanging below the waist with boxer shorts showing.
But it seems parents would rather buy their kids $200 sneakers than pay for school uniforms. When I was young(er), Parochial schools supplied the uniforms.
I neglected to attribute the poem several posts above. It is one of many versions titled 'The Wearing of the Green' by Dion Boucicault ... a strange Irish name. He was well know in the theater world on both sides of the Atlantic and was much praised in New York.
In his play The Vampire (1852), Boucicault made his début as a leading actor as the vampire 'Sir Alan Raby'. Although the play itself had mixed reviews, Boucicault's characterization was praised as "a dreadful and weird thing played with immortal genius" ... Wiki
"a dreadful and weird thing played with immortal genius" ... Damn I wish I wrote that line.
Ideology,
Truly a wonderful line. One I think could be applied to some who post here (and I'll shall leave others to figure out who these people are!).
No Joe,
You have a lot to say about how people should behave but why is it you cannot or will not follow your own advice?
You said [ranging from invasion of privacy]. Yet just 9 months ago you were one of only a few people that posted comments from a chat room for the sole purpose to embarrass, intimidate and ridicule them. You, by posting comments supplied to you from an anonymous source {safecracker}, violated exactly what you just preached to the World via the web today.
Then you said [Live it yourselves. Ignore the people you dislike- don't engage in petty name calling or "pranks".] But you use bully tactics every day by the words you use to belittle those you disagree with or imply they are uneducated or that they are inferior to you rather than just making your counterpoint or ignoring them.
Is this the example you expect everyone to follow?
Bravo Dennis!
You said it much more succinctly than I...
About time someone called her out on her bull@!$%#!
Dennis, grow up. I was sent comments that pertained to ME. One of the things my mother taught me was that you should never say anything ABOUT anyone you would not say TO them.
YOU allowed your little chat room to be posted on Google. To even attempt to compare that to an 18 year old having an encounter in a private room webcast for all to see is lame, at best- but bespeaks the highly inflated importance in which you hold your little "chats".
In other words, of you, and the rest of your cabal, cannot see the difference, I cannot help you.
You are a sad group of people. I was addressing a great ill that faces our nation - children who are left to their own devices by parents and teachers. You internalize that to reflect on yourselves- a group of supposed adults who engage in middle school level conversations ABOUT others- who are outraged to discover that your comments are posted for all to see. If you were embarrassed, it says more about you than those who sent the Google link./p>
The fact of the matter is, your entire group is part of the problem- delayed adolescence into middle age. We're it not for people like you, those old enough to go to college might not find such behavior acceptable.
Well said Dennis. I am just getting to read this thread, and cannot believe what I read by nojo.
She doesn't like to be called a hypocrite, are you kidding me nojo? You are the epimote of hypocrisy. You have the nerve to call others to task on privacy and respect, you, who never respects others who disagree and show how you are mistaken. Really these are hollow words coming from you.
As one of the victims of your invasion of mine and others privacy I will never forget or forgive you, it is not a left or right thing, it is your lack of common decency in making the decision to publish private writings that leaves me appalled and now outraged that you apparently cannot see that what you did is akin to what Dharun Ravi did. Hypocrite!!!
Ah, GBM, so hard to speak of honor to those who simply cannot understand the concept.
High Priest- they published themselves. On Google.
Then got mad- sort of like, if the marketing manager of a company sent a magazine internal documents rather than ad copy might be mad- at the people who read it.
So, they publicly printed their juvenalia- and somebody sent me a link to the copy that pertained to me. A Google link, I might add- not a private, hacked link.
Then, other people sent me more links- by which time, I was bored beyond words with their baloney. One thing that struck, however- three months prior, one of their administrators was notified- and told them they were wrong./p>
They still do not understand that public publicaction is, well, public. They don't blame the administrators who assured them that, no, it did not matter that if they Googled themselves, they got into their own chat room. No. It's the fault of others that it was published.
Overgrown adolescents.
So much fun to watch no jo spin this.
Which brings us back to this: I can well imagine that the young man who did the filming said "it was MY room, he can't have privacy if it is MY room." And remind me, did the court agree with him?
But, of course, no jo: you will accuse everyone else of that which you do. Why? Because you don't know the difference between right and wrong.
Which makes your original post so ridiculous, it defies credulity.
But, I am fortunate in my friends. That you are jealous amuses me beyond words.
As for you "Priest", I simply do not care what you think of this.
Oh, dear Lord, deliver us from her evil. She STILL doesn't know how the stealing of the bike off the neighbor's yard and then parading it up and down the street all the while TAUNTING, "you left it out, you left it out!" is somehow INDECENT? What a complete and utter MORON.
Really, that anyone would take her 'advice' on ethics or any other moral high ground just speaks volumes about HER OWN Self Righteous 'Importance', no?
And High Priest,...IF you really CARE to be informed,...Feel Free - I bet you don't, and would rather just stoke the fire of hate, eh?
My explanation:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/24/6933237-first-thoughts-eyeing-the-general-election#c55300032
my post is #2.2; but I would encourage you to read all of them,...
Others interpretation:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/24/6935760-week-ahead-the-money-chase#c55314860
Again,...I would encourage you to read all of the posts.
SITUATIONAL ETHICS are Donna's speciality. After Four Years of her BS,...many of us tend to laugh at her feeble attempts at 'honest' discourse. But, hey, we've already Been There Done That!
Happy St. Paddy's Day, to all! Feisty, girl, you cook a MEAN Corned Beef and Cabbage and I am considering my arrangements for NEXT year,...although we should really give GBMama a shot at it! I suspect she's not half bad at it, either? Hugs!
Ah dear NoJo, you are lost in the Maelstrom of your conceit.
Gee, Clara, thanks for the trip down memory lane. It was especially nice of you to link to the page where you admitted that you WERE NOT hacked- you published yourselves on Google.
And somebody found it.
Actually, I'd forgotten that the worst of the controversy was your groups' coordinated efforts to collapse posts and get certain posters banned. Clean forgot about it. Thanks for reminding me.
And acquainting others who were not here at the time with your practices.
Ah, well- good times, good times.
Actually, this post, by dangerfield, (on the page Clara so thoughtfully provided), about sums up the entirety of what went on
As I said earlier- good times, good times.
For those of you reading this: this is why no jo is not taken seriously as a poster, and why she is held in such contempt. Some of you are in chat rooms, all of you have the expectation of privacy, imagine how you would feel about this.
But it puts the lie to the original post. No jo does not care about privacy, honesty or people's feelings.
So, not worth reading her posts.
Jesus H. Christ on a pop sickle stick...talk about mood swings...no wonder everyone thinks she's bat@!$%# crazy.
And she's a teacher? From New Jersey? Hmmm...I wonder how much of a pension she's pulling down. Unless she's refusing to collect...you know...on principle?
This NoJo chick has some serious issues. I hope her State funded healthcare covers mental illness.
No pension, Mickey. The term is "former" teacher. I left to continue my education- on my own dime, I might add.
The only pension I'll ever collect is the money I've put aside for my own retirement.
Which, by the way, Pelosi has her greedy little eyes on. Fortunately, if she makes any more remarks about the billions sitting out there in 401k accounts, the democratic party will be a distant, unpleasant memory.
I'd advise you, by the way, to go back and read the entire post again. You know, to see who posted when the entire conversation began to devolve.
I'll drink to that! lol
And an economist, PHD,
lawyer,liar & anything else she can come up with on any given day...Which is why people wouldn't believe anything Donna says if her tongue was notarized! ;o)
[I'd advise you, by the way, to go back and read the entire post again.]
You'll "advise" me? Sorry NoJo..not gonna happen in your lifetime or mine. You come across as a freaking headcase nutbag...why would I want to take "advice" from you?
Besides, I read the posts...you simply couldn't cut your losses and leave well enough alone.
You are your own worst enemy, Donna. Could it be you're chasing one too many demons?
[The only pension I'll ever collect is the money I've put aside for my own retirement.]
You mean you want me to believe that as a "former" teacher, you won't be collecting a single dime from your teachers pension? Wow...what did you do to get that taken away from you...must have been something terrible...I mean, even if you did a short stint, you would be eligble for something, right?
Ok, lets say you didn't do something terrible to get your pension taken away, I must say it is mighty noble of you to just let that pension, as small as it may be, just slip through your fingers like that...you must carry that torch high.
Unless you're bull@!$%#ting everyone...
They had children because sex is a powerful and natural urge, the same as hunger and thirst.
This is what happens, no jo, when people have no access to contraception and abortion or have been bullied by their church into thinking that family planning is against god's will.
one thing I have noticed about the right wing is how paranoid they tend to be. They have a tremendous amount of fear, Maybe that's why there aren't any right wing comedians! Too scared to laugh.
its ironic no jo started off decrying the actions of a college student spying on his gay roommate and sharing the information with others, and ended up up republishing chat room messages of people who did not know they were being recorded. Thank goodness noone here has any intention of killing themselves over it.
nojo, to allay your fears, you have control over the situation. If you want people to like you, then try to take the high road. You'd win alot more respect if you discussed politics here without making everything so personal.
In my experience, I've discovered there is a tendency for a person like Donna, who behaves bitterly and vindictively in one area of her life, to express her anger and negativity in the rest of her personal and professional relationships. We can be sure the opinions of the people on this site are shared by the majority of people she knows. She can't keep that dark, self-destructive side of her hidden under a basket; it is her self-imposed curse. She is indeed her own worst enemy.
tick tock, head priest - I notice you 'ramped' up quickly on the players,...for someone who JUST registered in February,...very curious, eh? We didn't post anything on Google or anywhere else,...it was our group here on newsvine that someone else accessed and cached. Not that you are any better at reading comprehension than Donna.
ps. Don't attribute a quote to me that I didn't make.
Happy St Patrick's Day: An Irish Blessing for all my friends
May you always have work for your hands to do.
May your pockets hold always a coin or two.
May the sun shine bright on your windowpane.
May the rainbow be certain to follow each rain.
May the hand of a friend always be near you.
And may God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you.
May you have the hindsight to know where you've been
the foresight to know where you're going
and the insight to know when you're going too far.
Have a safe and blessed celebration this weekend.
Happy St. Patrick's Day to our very own Irish lassie! Sending lots of special thoughts to you as you think of home but are surrounded (actually and virtually) by those who love you!
Gingerbread Mamma - Considering the day, wouldn't an Irish blessing be extended to all those respecting the reason for the day? Being Irish means much more today than ideological differences.
So, I will offer an Irish blessing on all people that are and consider themselves Irish today!
BB,
Here is an Irish Blessing to you (and to all here)
May your blessings out number
The Shamrocks you grow,
And may trouble avoid you
Wherever you go!
Awwww, that was nice phancy!! Of course the same is extended to you and your family. When I lived in Buffalo as a youth, our backyard was full of shamrocks and three leafed clover. Since being in the south, I have yet to come across a shamrock. Shamrocks are smart... they don't like heat... LOL!
BB
A blessed and Happy St. Patrick's Day to you and your family also! :)
(I am thinking of growing me own shamrocks in a pot)
phancy - I'm sure they will do very good if you keep them in a lighted window, inside where it's cooler. As small children, we used to eat them... they have an interesting flavor that I still remember... sort of sweet and not unpleasant.
BB
My only worry is that the cats would try and eat them! But, I may follow up on my idea and get that pot of shamrocks. The idea gives on a good feeling.
Hi Northstar Waves, Have a great day tomorrow.....I hear you guys put on quite the parade up there, hope the weather is warm and sun kissed.
Gingerbread,
We will have the luck of the Irish tomorrow in St. Paul for the parade. It will be 78 degrees!!! Unbelievable.
The parade is a real family affair. Each family clan is dressed with banners, lots of green, kids in strollers, lots of dogs with shamrock ears. A real motley crew...
Enjoy your feast and hugs to you and your family.
Well, GBM and Northstar, since Feisty, and IR are otherwise occupied, I got to the Dew Drop Inn to set up and open the doors and get the party rolling. What did I see? We had visitors at the DDI, the leiperchan had been there ahead of me, and while they did leave it a green and gold wonder, the dear old Dew Drop looking mighty proud in Irish colors, there had been a bit of mischief too. The wee people had scattered the bar stools around, and to make it a true American Irish celebration, had turned the beer green. Seems like they had a few themselves, I found the tiny little tankards under the bar, but to show what good sports they are, they had cleaned up and mended the boots that we keep in the entry closet for mudding around the property. Can't beat that.
At this hour, the Dew Drop Inn St Patrick's celebration is in full swing. I'll be asking for a reel with each of the gentleman there, my favorite Irish band just now playing Teir Abhaile Riu, perfect for a dance!
What oh what have we learned? Heck, I don't know, too late in the party to worry about it. Ask me next week. The Corned Beef and Cabbage is too delicious, the Guinness too inviting to worry about it tonight
Feisty, Clara, you have fun, and don't do anything that we wouldn't do! IR, that first reel is for you!
My thanks to my hosts, Cead Mile Failte to all who came to the Dew Drop tonight!
We look forward to more nonsense next week.
NDD,
I see people streaming in, all decked out with a touch of green. The Ceili is in full swing. We will all dance the night away.
Is that Ideology dancing with NOJO? Or is it my imagination or the Irish Mist?
Oh my gosh, no jo at the Dew Drop Inn! I must take a look!
No Jo @ the DDI?!! Musta' parked her broom outside.
lies I tell ya ... all lies
I so enjoy all of your posts throughout the week! Helps me get geared up for Sunday Talk.
I wish you all a great St. Paddy's weekend. And oh, if the jukebox is still going there ( you guys are way ahead of me time zone wise), I did think of a request. Another oldie. By Leslie Gore. Dedicated to the GOP. : "It's My Party (and I'll Cry If I Want To)". Have a safe and happy weekend.
There you guys go, getting off topic! The video show cased some excellent acting by Andy. I totally believed he was reporting from Gilligan's Island where Romney got the Thurston Howel III vote! Andy is really developing as an actor, or maybe he'd started St Patrick's day a little early.
Oh, and Dom as usual, so cute, especially when he so seriously announced a debut of an anti-bullying cartoon on the cartoon network, as if he were announcing the location of another candidates' debate; hey, wait a minute, wouldn't the Republican primary itself do well on the cartoon network?
Parade in Portland starts at the statue of filmmaker John Ford, originally Feeney, who grew up in Portland, Me. Only in America is his story even possible, Irish immigrant's son, working class Mainer, grows up to make Westerns and shape the myths we live by.
See you Monday!
Candy: you are welcome always to post DDI requests! Half the fun! And, welcome to the party!
The great thing about St. Patrick's Day being on Saturday this year is that we can have a 3 day celebration at the Dew Drop Inn. Irish soda bread and Irish coffee at the breakfast buffet this morning and the parade is about to start.
Erin go bragh!!
A St. Patrick's Day toast to all on FR:
Here's to long life and a merry one
A quick death and an easy one
A pretty girl, a handsome lad (and an honest one)
A cold beer and another one!
phine,
I used that one yesterday!!!
Here's another of my favorites:
May you be in heaven a full half hour
before the devil knows you're dead.
I'll raise a pint to that!!!!
Mark,
Ah! You just quoted one of hubby's favorites!
Phine, that is one of my favs as well...just shows how maybe the Irish and Sicilians aren't that far off?
Mark, does it help that my Irish hubby was stationed in Sardina for a couple of years?
Sorry, Mickey. Hubby was in Sardina. He learned to love to eat squid there.
[He learned to love to eat squid there.]
Must have been a terribly hard lesson...lol...me personally, I can't stand the sight of it.
Happy St. Patrick's eve, everyone! Enjoy the holiday safely!
St. Patricks Day, bah humbug! How about St. Andrews Day? Now there's a holiday for ya!
Which course to do you prefer?
How bout St. Ladislaw's Day? Oooops,.....wrong nationality.
How goes the pitched battle?
Looks like Santorum won the booby prize in Alabama/Mississippi, for the most,.......well,.....boobs.
Chucky,
And when would that feast day be for the good Saint Andrew?
Here , have a pint to loosen you up. Want to dance , it is very simple...
I opened up the Come Back Inn too Northstar, IR having left me the keys. Figure we will be needing a place for the night after a party such as this.
Thanks NDD,
Egilman might start telling his favorite politcal yarns and it could take until the wee hours...
too late to drive back home.
Nov. 30, but no one cares. St. Patrick gets all the props. Bah Humbug!
And the brunch at the Come Back Inn is particularly good...if anyone gets up for it!
Chucky,
That expains it. NOV 30 in Britian or Ireland it is dreary weather.
But March, is the hint of Spring in Ireland, and the sign of new life.
but that is the luck of the draw with the Saints Calendar.
Ah, the feast days I like are those of St. Monica and St. Augustine (August 27, 28). Tis a fine time to celebrate the nation's oldest city!
To all my Irish Friends...
A family of Irish birth will argue and fight, but let a shout come from without and see them all unite.
At a certain age some people's minds close up they live on their intellectual fat.
I believe in the sun when it's not shining, I believe in love even when I feel it not, I believe in God even when he is silent.
May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, May God hold you in the hollow of his hand.
Peace for all
EG
Egilmann,
Glad you are here ,bearing a blessing for us all.
Have a drink and tell us a story of your favorite politcal campaign in the early years:0)
there is always the story of "There he goes again"
But most liberals don't like that one...
Nice poem Egilman.
My wife's family is Irish. She is part Irish, German and French Canadian (Deegan, Koos and Fortier) blood in her.
Me? I'm 100% Polish (Stachowiak, Wojno). Gotta' eat pierogis, galumbki, kielbasa and capusta,....yummmm.
Egilman,
Lots of time has past.
I know I could hear a story about R.R. and not get riled.
But of course he was Irish and knew how to tell a story.
Ahhh, pierogis!
Manna from heaven.... along with Irish Potatoes!!! (and a wee bit of Irish coffee)
GOP.....my mother was a Deegan tell your wife Happy ST Patrick's Day.
NDD and Northstar, you shame me by being more Irish and delight me no end for that too.
The auld DDI is jumpin' tonight and the great music fills my heart. The haunting music of James Galway as it drifts across the night air, reminds me of the Cliffs of Moher on a cool misty morning several years ago. This is the only day in the year I am truly homesick, so I fill the house with friends to share in some laughter and good yarns, ably oiled by some good brew and whiskey and lots of good Irish food (which our local supermarket was kind enough to put on sale this week).
Slainte Friends and may peace always be with you and yours.
Slainte to you, GBM, you bring the Irish out in all of us.
Night all!
Sweet Dreams....
Egilman,
My favorite Irish blessing. It hangs on a wall in my house and was given by the priest at my wedding. My father was from County Cork. Today has always been a special day in the WCA family.
Happy St. Paddy's day to you.
WCA:
My wife's ancestors are from County Cork also. Dunno rightly where that's at, but I hear it is a green, beautiful place. I think it is toward the south of Ireland, but I am not sure.
WCA and GOPis...ever think that you two might be related? Now that would be something!
Happy St. Patty's Day...here's to swimmin' with bow legged women! (compliments of Capt. Quint)
Hubby's family is from County Cook. At little close to Belfast, and a problem spot to live if you are Catholic! (Which they are)
GOP,
Want some more corned beef.?
I know you have done yeoman service this week keeping the path free of trolls.
Corned Beef sounds real good Northstar. :o) More o' that green beer'd suit me just fine too. Mug is so frosty I gotta chip a hole in the top to drink it.
That's the ticket.
Eeeew,....watch out for these peppercorns in the corned beef.
I feel I've been laying down on the job as far as the troll thing goes Northstar, but I appreciate the accolades. Wife is in final stretch for her degree @ Eastern Michigan Univ., and I gotta' do more Daddy duty.
No matter how many trolls you doze down two more spring up in their place.
That's the thing with trolls, they grow faster than mushrooms, on half the crap..
Seems like Romney took the Mormon vote in the Western states, but against Obama, or any other carbon-based life form he's going to go down in November.
I'm sure he'll succor himself with his millions, or maybe he could do the honorable thing and commit suicide by jumping off a pile of his pirated loot.
GOP,
I am sure your little one loves your Daddy duty!
Let us know when your wife graduates. That is indeed an occasion to celebrate.
Will do Northstar. Hope all is well wit you. Best wishes to Feisty and Clara. Have fun, but not too much fun. Don't wanna' have to bail you out. I'll bet Chicago is raucous at St. Patty's Day.
Night.
So,
How is the GOP race playing in Peoria??
I think Mitt Romney will do much better in Illinois than in places like Mississippi.
I expect Mitt to lose Texas, but overall he will be the eventual nominee. That's pretty much a given. All this dickering between the esteemed candidates just serves to strengthen the GOP. Plenty of press on all their debates, new conferences, etc. That much is free at least.
After the convention, when all Republicans and plenty of Independents are coalesced behind Romney, it will be up to the Romney machine to bring all their forces to bear against Obama, and his failed policies. They can't let the pressure up for even a minute before election day. Great entertainment.
The general, original idea of an "open and transparent process," was good. But, it has gone on too long and lacked genuine substance. Most of the time was spent arguing over personalities or poorly thought out plans (e.g. Cain's 9-9-9).
IMO, the only viable candidate, who actually ran, was Romney (and given the banking disaster, I doubt HE could win this year). But, Romney has had to move too far to the right to get the nomination. By the time the Convention, in Tampa, gives it to him, there will be insufficient time left in the campaign for him to "gracefully" move back toward the middle to capture the more-middle-of-the-road Independent vote.
He's caught between "the rock and the hard place." If he moves abruptly to the center, he'll lose the base; if he remains with the base, he'll lose the middle. Both parties often make this mistake. It comes from a misinterpretation of the mainstream vote when the "base" moves too far left or right. It colors their "analysis" of elections and they compound their mistakes.
If you want your voice to be heard on First Read, post comments tomorrow morning. Should be devoid of the usual progressive, um, voices... they will be worshipping the porcelin gods, no doubt.
They wont be able to show up at their useless public sector jobs till next Wednesday, not that they will be missed.
And a happy St. Paddy's day to you too, bobby.
Come on, try it, it won't hurt. Bet you can issue a pleasant greeting to all.
Saints preserve us, Bob! Don't you have a wee bit of joy in your soul? Everybody is a little bit Irish today! Give in to the beauty of it.
Bob must lead a terribly boring life...maybe the leprechauns will pay him a visit today and fill his black heart with joy...even NoJo had a visit, it seems...
I will try to be nice.
Happy St Pats Day, ya liberal hooligans. Saints preserve ya!
A shout out to all the Irish in Southie, they will drink to the health of their heroes, the now-captured gangster "Whitey" Bulger and his brother, now retired and enjoying his six figure public pension courtesy of the taxpayers, the esteemed former Democratic Speaker of the Mass. House, Billy "the Corrupt Midget" Bulger.
Ah, Bob, quite charmed by it all.
There are times I that I think we could be friends....