Had the pleasure of seeing Bill Hicks live back in the day. He would definitely make Santorum's ears bleed. Nice to see he has found another social issue to stumble around on.

What exactly is the President not doing that makes Santorum upset and this a issue?

At the same time , Santorum again blames his "grassroots" campaign for not knowing the ILL laws about delegates. And this guy is giving Romeny nightmares?

I wonder if there is a law against hypocritical religious extremism? It certainly is obscene and Santorum is definitely guilty of it.

bob,

For me this story is relevant based upon Mr. Santorum's past stated positions on religion and morality. His statement "The Obama administration has turned a blind eye to those who wish to preserve our culture from the scourge of pornography" is one more indication as to where he stands and how, if nominated, will conduct his campaign against Mr. Obama.

Words and issues like pornography are instantly polarizing - candidates and their campaigns are looking for the king zinger to bring voters over to their side. Much easier to appeal to the emotional than the intellectual. What it really amounts to is taking cheap shots at the electorate. Distractions. Do enough people really give a flying fig about the enforcement of porn laws to make an issue over it?

Chucky, very cool you saw Bill Hicks.

Go to admit, that man is a pornicopia of ideas.

That's a thought, Mark. Odd, though, Rick didn't have much to say about Rush Limbaugh. Obscenity is limited to four-letter words. Apparently in Rick's world, the President of the U.S. is supposed to be the obscenity censor; the hall monitor of speech.

Jody,

We Americans do have strange values in regards to obscenity. We tolerate scenes of unspeakable violence on prime-time broadcast TV, but drop an F-bomb or flash a boob, outrage!

Aw feckitall. Time to que up the Dropkick Murphys and down an Irish Car Bomb or two.

Here's to a long life and a merry one.
A quick death and an easy one.
A pretty girl and an honest one.
A cold pint-- and another one!

Happy St. Paddy's Day, all!

Lenny Bruce put it this way ... the portrayal of sex between poor people is pornography, the portrayal of sex between wealthy people is eroticism.

I thought these guys were pro business, the porn industry is big business in the US. BTW If I was in the porn industry my business card would say "It's a business doing pleasure with you"

Funny, I think most Americans would find a theocracy obscene.

Forrest Grump 2.0

Mine would be "Been there, done that"

"The customer always comes first" that's our motto!

Hi Forrest,

Big brew-ha-ha amongst the business doing pleasure folk here in SoCal over a measure proposing a requirement for porn actors in LA County to wear condoms. They are threatening to pack up and move out should said measure become law. The figures (pun fully intended) are rather staggering. Towns, especially in the porn belt of the San Fernando Valley stand to loose a pretty penny should the producers and purveyors of skin flicks leave. Big business indeed.

Does anyone ever wonder why the divorce rate in this country is almost 60%? Not just because of porn, but the melt down of the family structure..

The divorce rate has went because it is now socially acceptable to divorce your spouse. It has nothing to do with the "meltdown of family structure." Couples go there separate ways. It is not a bad thing. I would rather have couples divorce when their marriage starts to fall apart then have them stick together and be miserable.

Santorum.

I never believed in reincarnation, but as much as I listened to Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker, I'm wondering which one of them still walks among us in the form of Rick Santorm. I'm guessing Baker, because Swaggart is still alive, and if he weren't, he'd be occupying the bloated corpse of Newt Gingrich.

Sheesh...Oh, and:

"I sit here shaking my head in wonderment as to how the liberals think."

How about shaking your head, and wodering WHY liberals think, Einstein??

Why because we are free that's why. We are free to buy guns so people get killed, we are free to drink so people become alcoholic, we are free to gamble so people lose their money. I thought republicans like the personal freedom we enjoy in America. If you don't want your kids exposed to guns, or alcohol, or porn, or whatever, then don't allow it in your home, raise your kids as you see fit. You don't want a nanny state do you, telling you how many weapons you can have or what kind of a healthy lunch you should eat. You can't legislate morality, or responsibility and when you try it never makes the problem go away. People drank and gambled even at times when it was illegal to do so, and right after they figured out they could draw on the cave walls, cave men drew porn, it is not new. It's about personal responsibility right, isn't that what republicans always say they are all about.

I was checking in at a hotel and I said to the republican lady at the front desk, "I hope the porn channel in my room is disabled" and she said "it's regular people porn you sick liberal bastard!".

Yer a great American, Grump v 2.0.

But you knew that.

brian,

I do not see anyone here advocating children watch porn.

Not sure what porn has to do with divorce rate, unless you are actually a porn actor in which case any semblance of a normal life is largely impossible. But that is your choice.

Porn ought to remain in the shadows where it belongs, not made part of a public political campaign. If you don't like it or don't approve of it, ignore it.

The word "hate" is overused into meaninglesness. Any family values? What does that mean? And much much more..............

Is society really breaking down? No need to ask myself any soul-searching questions. All in all life is pretty damn good.

A couple of my liberal friends will get a good chuckle that someone actually mistook me for a liberal.

How's your job search going?

Ol' Frothy will vet each case of pornography himself. And after each case he can cleanse his soul with the holy cat o' nine tails and extended time in prayer. Which will leave him with little time to be the POTUS, which would be a good thing indeed.

Brianb; Y' got me fair and square, Einstein. Typos are a horrible thing to have to own up to. I'm SO ashamed. It is indeed embarrasing to say the least.

Now, about the issue of thinking. Why do those (them-there?) liberals insist on, God forbid, thinking??

About relevant issues, no less.

Your thoughts?

Here are the Legislating Morality Dictates of the religious Right:

Only approved literature, poetry and music are allowed. However, other forms of entertainment such as movies, plays and games of chance are completely prohibited. Even chess and kite flying are idol activities.

Modesty is encouraged, especially for women (men not so much).

And of course alcohol is strictly prohibited and various night spots will need to be closed. (Been there done that before, which created organized crime in the US.)

I'm taking the above from Sharia-based laws.

Birth control we already know would be illegal--not just abortions. And other laws such as fornication/cohabitation outside the bonds of marriage, well these would need to be enforced as well. Folks, seriously?!

You are too kind DBO. I am having fun on this thread, I hope my jokes are not too obscene for Mr. Santorum.

Does anyone ever wonder why the divorce rate in this country is almost 60%? Not just because of porn, but the melt down of the family structure..

Women also were not protected by law against domestic violence, were frowned upon for pursuing careers, and birth control pills were not available until the 1960s thus keeping women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen. I suppose those were better times, huh?

Men are pigs, whatcha going to do about it? Oh I know, blame it on women!

MM,

Oh I forgot that many folks still mourn the paradise that was lost with the election of Obama. ;)

I am not one of them. In fact I took Inaugural day off from work. I hosted a luncheon with champagne, had party favors with flags, lots of red white and blue. We toasted our new president . It was a wonderful day for all of us.

I plan next Jan to travel to DC when Obama is sworn in again. I want to see some of the festivities first hand.

So that is your excuse? What ever happened to commitment nick? Personal responsibility? Your view is that divorce is acceptable means that it's simply OK to do it because the rest of society is doing it... correct?

What about drugs nick? A good deal of people smoke dope, shoot stuff in their veins... snort coke.. (Obama himself admits doing it in his book)... why isn't drug use accepted? Your logic defy's description.

It is not real commitment if you are strong armed into staying together. If spouses don't have a choice and have to stay together that is NOT commitment.

Drugs should be legalized in my opinion. They are illegal because of the religious blowhards. But that's a different topic entirely.

Hey Brian-- Come down from your high horse and have a beer or two. If you do not partake in drink, have a McShake on me buddy!

Mark -- Cheers you funny McPoet! ; )

True -- Victoria's Secret will take on new meaning in that world.

Ah the stable days of yore and good union paying jobs when only hubby needed to work and mother stayed home to raise the wee ones ... the stress free environment of everyone in his/her place. Brianb, I thought you did not like unions. They were a part of the 'golden age'.

Considering your spelling skills, I do wonder why they even try... they do embarrass themselves pretty much every time they speak. You must be the product of a liberal education considering your exuberance in being an idiot while displaying a lack of English skills."

BTW, dickster, I grew up in Iowa when a high school education carried you a long way. Iowa was, then, something like 3rd in the nation as far as education went. North Dakota and New Jersey were the first and second.

I left Iowa in '85. Returned in 2009. Iowa was then something like 23rd. What changed?? The Bushes pushed education and a LOT of other budget item down to the states. The state budgets suffered. But hey, the 1% got even more.

Neat, huh?

Brianb .... misandry as in?

www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

or perhaps in the urban dictionary? A term created by a group of straight white men who habitually confuse their "brain" with their anus.

BrianB

I read your posts every day I can. I really appreciate your steadfast perspective. I sometimes find myself feeling guilty that I don't have the available time to step in an offer my support. Thank you.

and in the end times good shall be called bad and bad shall be called good.

Well Brian the First Lady has involved herself in the cause of children's health issues and has promoted more exercise and healthy food true enough, she has not legislated anything, she just promotes the idea. The gun laws have gotten more relaxed under this president, as now you can carry in a National Park.

As far as my own stand on family values, I have stood up for families all my adult life, I have damn near had my teeth knocked out defending, representing and negotiating for members of my union, so they could make a decent living, be safe at work so they could return home to their families, and have a decent health care plan and retirement plan so they could raise a nice family, family values cost money. Maybe the family is in decline because Mom, Dad and the kids have to work seven part time jobs in right to work for less and less and less states just to make ends meet, they don't have time to practice family values. Maybe kids come home to an empty house or spend time with too many babysitters because Mom and Dad are trying to make ends meet with crappy jobs. It is to my wife's credit, but my children are all happy healthy successful adults now, and none of them have ever been in any more trouble than a traffic ticket. I always had a good union job that allowed me to make enough money and benefits that she never had to work so she was there to help, guide, or just ride herd, whatever it was they needed. I have been married to the same woman for over thirty years, and often receive compliments on how my children are nice and decent people. With all due respect my being a liberal democrat has had no ill effect whatsoever on my family, and being a union man has had a decidely positive effect.

Oh definately Tequila Brian. Only the good stuff though....Gaila (sp) patron gold, Herruda ha.

Mukwa_ and in the end times good shall be called bad and bad shall be called good.

Stick around, you don't have to wait. It happens here all the time.

BrianB ... you misunderstand me, it was a new word to me, I thought I would bracket it with other definitions. Just trying to lighten up the scene over a can of Kilkenny.

Huh, we found out you are at least against prohibition, Brian. This is good. Tequila it is! Line em up!

Is DBOwan kicking your butt? lol You wanted discussion and now you complain?

Maybe after a little tequila you will feel better. ; )

Forrest -- Ditto what DBO said:

Yer a great American, Grump v 2.0.

Have a wonderful weekend everyone, and a great St. Paddy's Day tomorrow. And if you are into BB, hope your brackets survive the upsets, YIKES!

It's about personal responsibility right, isn't that what republicans always say they are all about.

Actually, it's about control and power to have it. Even the Conservatives gods and religious templates are designed that way. Fear of chaos, fear of the flesh, fear of death. One giant pot of existential angst, that's conservatives for you.

" drive by - you are simply an @$$. I pissed you off because you made a stupid spelling error and I mentioned it."

DUDE- I started the reply with "you got me fair and square".

Criminy. Get a L I F E already, will you? (or, if you'd rather remain an ultra-right 'bagge'r, then well....)

The Repubs brought out their 1952 playbook.

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I love these liberal gambling laws, now I can take Mrs. Grump to a local Casino, I used to have to take her to the Longshoremans hall once a week so she could play in a poker game they ran in a back room on Friday nights.

Well your welcome Brian. Its important for you to know your not out here alone. For what its worth I'm cheering for ya every day. You do a nice job...Ben too. More tequila?

Brianb ... until women are at least 50% of the power structure you will have to suffer their slings and arrows and considering their history under male domination they are far more in the right to do so than you. Passing stuff like suffrage does not mean okay that's dealt with. Society needs time to catch up, and on women's issues men have been rather slow.

Me and the wife are doing okay Brian, thanks for asking. I would say school lunch menus are the responsibility and are under the direction of the local school board, I can't hold the First Lady solely and directly responsible for changes that many health professionals have advocated for years. Nancy Reagan had her cause, "Just say no", and so did other First Ladies, they are simply a cheerleader for a good cause, they don't change the rules, and if their cause was not already the general consensus of the community, the community would not respond.

Forrest, you can always have a game in your dining room.... just invite people with money. This way Ms. Grump can get them all schnockered and win all the dough. Remember the first rule of gambling... the more you drink, the more you lose. Why do you think the casino's in Vegas give away free booze? Just follow the house rules... LOL

The only purpose I see for obscenity laws in the first place is to prohibit child porn. Men watch porn. I would bet you money Santorum watches porn. The definition of what is obscene and what is not seriously needs to be redefined in the Supreme Court, because too much is acceptable these days to start enforcing some of the laws on the books.

Santorum is so obsessed with morals that I am starting to think he hasn't ever bothered to read the first amendment. Why then is he qualified to pass new laws??? He actually said he doesn't see a problem with Christian morals influencing legislation..... cue Thomas Jefferson to come kick his a$$!!!!!

On a separate note: Wouldn't it just be awesome if a story broke on Santorum being involved in a prostitution ring? Or an airport bathroom foot tapping scandal? Cause this is just the perfect setup to blow his whole morality platform out of the water!

What really concerns me about all this is............between VCU, Lehigh, and Norfolk State, my brackets are in a shambles! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

Chucky Stuart ... that's why we shipped that sport south.

$5, down the drain. I had Missouri going to the Final 4, fer cryin' out loud. I need a drink.

Exactly Brian. As a guy who believes in men and women as equals, my boy and girl twins, treated and raised the same proved to me that boys are boys and girls are girls. I didn't build them that way either. In addition, most my supervisors are and were women.....I've had the privilege to work for some of the best. But make no mistake about it....they are different.

Brianb, she might be one of the few women who would not mind if I covered her dining room table with green felt.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

First Amendment to the United States Constitution

Wow, Toasty, are you trying to tell us that Rush Limbaugh has a right to say what he wants to....even if it pisses off angry liberals?

Good night.

What is wrong with the press. This guy gives them gifts and they refuse.

Senator Santorum. What are the federal laws governing illegal pornography that you are referring to?

Santorum: Uh, I'll have to get back to you on that

Senator Santorum. If you're cracking down on illegal pornography, can you please give us examples of legal pornography that you won't be harming?

Santorum: Uh, I'll have to get back to you on that.

Senator Santorum. Please tell us the most egregious example case of pornography which the current administration knew about but chose not to prosecute?

Santorum: Uh, I'll have to get back to you on that.

Senator Santorum. Please tell us the most egregious example case of pornography which the prior president did prosecute?

Santorum: Uh, I'll have to get back to you on that.

I never said he didn't, Spider. Unless you'd like to share with us a cited quote...

I can't wait for some TPer to stand up and scream , " Keep your government hands off my medicare and porn"

I know, i know, Republicans never watch porn or have sex for any purpose other than procreation. What was i thinkin. SQUIRREL!!!!!

The candidate best known for espousing family values argues on his website that pornography causes changes in the brain to both children and adults, and contributes to violence against women, prostitution and sex trafficking.

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Santorum, where's your verifiable, measurable, testable and repeatable proof for these claims? Anecdotal hyperbole and speculative conclusions doesn't make for any form of solid, socio-psychological evidence. It's opinion.

Or as Fox News's right-wing commentators would like you to believe, "It's an undeniable fact!"

"...Yeah, riiiight."

...and why do I get the feeling that Santorum just lost the votes of a lot of SINGLE MEN in America?

Which pornography laws, exactly, is Obama supposedly ignoring? Like it or not, unhealthy or not, pornography is not in-and-of itself illegal. We have freedom of speech in this country and the courts have interpreted that to allow the sale of pornography. Cigarettes are unhealthy too. That's the prce of freedom.

@ Brianb-999431

You can't really be this ignorant, can you? Seriously?

Soooooooo..... By the comments above, mostly liberal by the way, the liberals feel porn is a good thing for society?

Here's the thing that most of the right wing nutjobs seem to keep missing: Helping the wealthy get richer at the expense of the middle class and poor is what's destroying this country. Forcing the imposition of someone else's morality on anyone is what's destroying this country.

The Republicons absolutely don't have any workable solutions for creating American jobs to replace the ones they sent overseas in the name of profiteering, they don't have any solutions for fixing the economy THEY broke, and they don't have a clue how to do anything positive for the world, except start wars to make themselves look good, and help their corporate buddies line their pockets. Where are those WMD's anyway? The all-out war on the Middle Class and working poor shows that the Greedy Obstructionist Party clearly doesn't like the average American. How then can they claim to love America?

And these are the people who have the nerve to want me to elect them to govern me? They are elected to serve me, not to do what they want.

Santorum found himself answering pornography questions during a stop at an Italian restaurant

You may attack the rights of women and get away with it because theyre are plenty of bigots out there who still feel woman's only right is to be pregnant, barefoot, and in the kitchen (a apckaged deal). But once you go after the porn, the men will crucify you.

Brianb-999431

Satanick said: The divorce rate has went because it is now socially acceptable to divorce your spouse. It has nothing to do with the "meltdown of family structure."

So that is your excuse? What ever happened to commitment nick? Personal responsibility?

why don't you ask one of your Republican candidates why. He is on wife number three. I guess he must watch a lot of porn, brianb, because according to you porn leads to divorce.

I sit here shaking my head in wonderment as to how the liberals think. They have hatred for anything that used to be considered good (morals, family values, etc.) and embrace what used to be considered bad... (rampant sexuality between same gender, viewing porn, abortions, and much much more)

Lighten up, Brianb! Can't you recognize humor when you see it?

Conservatives think they're morally superior somehow. Their family values? That's the real joke here.

You need to pull your head out of that place where you keep it and realize that 'liberals' are every bit as moral, every bit as concerned about protecting their children from society's ills as you are.

I'd be willing to bet everything I own that Rick Santorum watches porn on his computer.

"Those who appear the most sanctified are the worst."~ Elizabeth I, Queen of England

@ Brianb-999431 I'm a liberal and have never been divorced. Yet I've got cousins who belong to the Church of Christ, one of the most conservative churches there is, and each of them has been married and divorced. One has a child out of wed-lock. Don't go unilaterally blaming Liberals just because your a Conservative. After all you've got Newt Gingrich to look up to. Married three times, divorced twice, and wanting sex on the side while married to the third wife. Looks to me that Conservatives have just as bad experience with marriage as Liberals do!

I just want to make sure that it is understood that even though my wife has always been a stay at home mom, who was occasionally pregnant, and spent a great deal of time in the kitchen, I always made sure she had shoes.

You're a prince, Forrest!

Were they stilettos? :)

HAPPY ST. PATRIC'KS DAY!

No not stilettos Kaybeetoys, no way to keep after kids and do the work she did in those, besides they are to sexy and would likely just lead to more work for her. Happy St. Patricks Day!

Forrest Grump 2.0

I just want to make sure that it is understood that even though my wife has always been a stay at home mom, who was occasionally pregnant, and spent a great deal of time in the kitchen, I always made sure she had shoes.

hehehe, and I'll bet they were nice shoes because we women love our shoes.

besides they are to sexy and would likely just lead to more work for her.

...and apparently guys love women's shoes, too.

How come women never seem to have to shine their shoes?

Forrest Grump 2.0

How come women never seem to have to shine their shoes?

don't worry, our shoes get treated very well.

Let's see: no birth control, no sex, no porn, aspirin between all female knees, no abortion even if Grandpa raped you and the pregnancy's going to kill you, public condemnation as a slut if you happen to be a woman who does not see the upside of this plan...

Frothy's got it all figured out for us gals, and witch-burning's probably on the way. Why, if he did not fear the homo man so much, one might think that Frothy would prefer a planet with an all-male cast.

Now, how long until this freak starts accusing the menfolk of heresy and sorcery?

Forest - usually we have men shine our shoes. Just sayin...

Melissa - I think most of us know Santorum is just really a total idiot. He's not going to be President of anything.

Happy St. Pat's Day everyone!!!!!

"What ever happened to So that is your excuse? What ever happened to commitment nick? Personal responsibility? Your view is that divorce is acceptable means that it's simply OK to do it because the rest of society is doing it.. nick? Personal responsibility?"

You mean like Limbaugh the junkie on wife #4 and Newt on wife # 3??? The one characteristic that seems to be common to all so called conservatives is hypocrisy.

The divorce rate is getting so bad, they are coming out with a new divorcee Barbie Doll, she comes with all of Ken's stuff.

Badda bing!

Brianb-999431 -- Ask any man, and they are the first to admit that men are pigs--why do you think I'm saying it? The worst are the religious-Right males, who are so suppressed that many can't admit they are gay. Then there are the Priests who molest young boys, and the rest who are the biggest porn addicts in society.

Of course we need social mores ("the essential or characteristic customs and conventions of a community") and laws of the land, but you can never legislate morality--it doesn't work and even backfires giving rise to the mob. And without balance, or worse repression to the point of obession (OMG a woman's boobies!), this is one area where Ron Paul has appeal and why younger voters are his base.

Mukwa_

and in the end times good shall be called bad and bad shall be called good.

The other evening pundits were saying that Dems need to talk more about their "values." Values of caring for the poor, elderly, and sick, taking care of the planet, of course. But also values like civil rights including women's rights--again, or labor rights and preserving our middle class, consumer protections, heck even protecting an animal from being transported on the top of a car.

Teapublican "values" are a joke. Romney has no ethics, Gingrich has no morals, and I wouldn't be surprised if Santorum was exposed--like so many "family values" Republicans have--for a sex scandal or what have you. That's the worst, Gingrich attacking Clinton while having an affair of his own. GOP/TP, hypocrisy is thy name.

boys are boys and girls are girls

Of course. But how does this excuse that women are making 68 cents to a man's dollar, or must pay more for health insurance because they are the gender that gives birth, or must pay more for everything from alterations, dry cleaning, hair cuts, etc. Joe the Plumber with zero education makes more than a female nurse or school teacher because those fields are predominately female fields. This is a direct result of the male majority in congress and in C-level positions in Corporate America, though women are 51% of the population.

Women still have long way to go as well as blacks and other minorities, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. But to actually chip away at what little progress that has been made toward equality is WTF insannity, and the Teapublicans doing this crap need to be voted out (actually the men need to have their penis measured and told how small it is or some demeaning thing, and the women need to be treated for brainwashing).

Oh, that's right, I forgot. rradiko had to remind us that conservatives believe in the end times -- not facts, and certainly not science and empirical methodology.

Romney = Plutocracy. Santorum = Theocracy. Gingrich = Monarchy or Oligarchy, but some form of dictatorship. If you love our Republic and democracy, get out the vote to reelect President Obama.

How come every time I see Santorum ... I imagine him with his Mickey Mouse Ears on!!!!!

Forrest Grump 2.0 -- With all due respect my being a liberal democrat has had no ill effect whatsoever on my family, and being a union man has had a decidedly positive effect.

Awesome post Forrest! Strengthening the family starts with giving the 99% a fair shot at a decent job, to send their kids to college, and to have some dignity when they grow old. I'm paraphrasing President Obama's recent speech...

But we never even hear a Teapublican talk about good jobs, or education being a good thing let alone making it accessible, and definitely not about the elderly being able to live in dignity. Cavemen even strive for this in primitive tribal society! It's mind-bending that conservatives actually support a platform against the middle class, accessible education, affordable health care, or retirement benefits.

Seriously, what defect of the brain would cause someone to vote against what actually IS moral, right, and in their own best interests? Studies show conservatives think all those "gubment entitlements" are welfare (food stamps, Medicare and what have you) for lazy moochers. They don't think unemployment, disability, Social Security and Medicare they are receiving are what Teapublicans want to end. Low-information voters and their children, what to do?

I won't even get into voodoo economics of "trickle-down" tax cuts for the rich, the "invisible hand," and how taxes miraculously pay for themselves... The Rapture, Birther conspiracy theories, voodoo economics -- It all appeals to the Flat Earth Society and anti-intellectualism movement.

OMG a "drill baby drill" proponent was on Chris Matthews last night, and even after he admitted that additional production would not lower prices at the pump and that the Keystone pipeline would only make it easier to ship the oil to China, he still went back to the right-wing lie. It made me lose hope that education could end stupidity in this nation. The right-wing are the Borg, except they don't collectively learn. They are hard-wired to an old main frame program that can't be updated.

Obama/Biden - 2012!

Once again Santorum shows the risk of home schooling; everyone has an opinion, but in this case no facts. There is no study of any sort to substantiate his claims for the effects of porn ... just his opinion. But he is willing to spend billions of our tax dollars chasing his opinions. Then he turns around and wants to use the first amendment to attack health care. What about the basic tenets of the first amendment: freedom of speech?

Maybe its home schooling again; the first amendment allows the establishment of any religion ... it does not say that religious law trumps secular law. The logical conclusion of the conservative push for religious law over secular is that sharia law then would trump secular law in this country. Why have conservatives decided that religious law trumps secular law?

If it is just my sense of morals, rather than religion, then we now need a morals test for any medical expense. No more Viagra, no vasectomies ... no narcotics, no whatever I don't want to pay for. So any employer can deny any medical expense, and let people die if that is in their moral beliefs.

At least it seems that all the right wing nuts here stick with one common religious belief:

Life itself began in January, 2009.

It must have. It could be no other way. Because otherwise how on earth could you blame every damn thing that's wrong with this country and this earth on Obama?

And how can you pretend that anything pre-Obama doesn't exist?

Okay... so Obama couldn't get around to enforcing obscenity laws because he was a little f*cking busy with 2 unfunded wars, a collapsed economy, runaway health care, a totally dysfunctional federal "starve the beast" government, an unstoppable Bush Debt Machine, and a bunch of Koch and Murdoch puppets in Congress that were forever trying to hog-tie him.

Excuuuuuuuuse Me!

So, yea... let's just put one of those idiot pupets in charge... THAT'll fix everthing!

Spot on LMarcT!

@NorthstarDFL

What exactly is the President not doing that makes Santorum upset and this a issue?

Apparently, Obama is not making sure that vice squads go into every store to remove skin mags/videos/toys and has not use the Patriot Act to identify and stop everyone who tries to access/buy "dirty" stuff and in failing to do so he is, apparently, the reason that conservative Christians have such a high incidence of porn addiction.

#1.2 - Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

@bob-1805084

I realize that with Obama, it may appear to be news that an actual president would enforce actual laws on the books, but really?

What is he doing differently in the enforcement of anti-porn laws than Bush did and what, exactly, will Santorum do (aside from creating more laws and broadening the definition of "porn")? With everything else going on in the country, should Obama just tell law enforcement to barge through every door and hack into every computer to round up & destroy every picture/video that's dirty? I'm sorry the conservative Christians have such a big problem with the porn but can someone explain why we need to tighten secular laws and make sure none of these great moral people could ever be able to find something dirty solely because they have no will-power to avoid sinning unless everyone else actively prevents them from doing so?

Have to laugh! Every time he talks he alienates another segment of society. Women...We're done. Gays...Never had...Latinos...See Speech to Puerta Rico. Blacks, after saying "I'll help black people by giving them jogs instead of handouts". LMFAO! The last bastion of his support, heterosexual males. You really want to go there? It's OK with men to restrict women's health care, but don't f*&ck with their porn!

Cause it's all about Eve. Evil Eve, who wanted to taste the apple. That's why we can't educate either. Knowledge is dangerous. Rick Santorum is my Anti-Christ. My Christ would have acknowledged people's failings..and forgiven. My Christ would have been "he who is without sin, throw the first stone."

religion causes changes in the brain to both children and adults, and contributes to violence against women,

There, that's a bit more accurate.

This may be one of the most sexually repressed individuals ever. If he were to win election, which he won't, the headline will something like this, "Inquisition Arrives in America - Santorum Named Grand Inquistor."

Seriously, contraception? pornography? What's next, daily bathing? I mean getting naked and letting water flow all over your body, that's bound to be one of the most vile perversions. And let's not for get electricty. I mean just think of how much sin exists because of it. If we were able to ban electricity people wouldn't be able to watch tv, surf the internet, stay out after dark or have sexual relations with the lights on. All of these are the reason that our society is in the moral condition that it is. Will someone PLEASE get this guy some meds?!????!!!!

Just thinking about Santorum with the Patriot Act in his hand makes me want to appeal it.

Rather than being a "True Conservative" Rick Santorum and his peculiar brandof anti-intellectualism and anti-competence is the spiritual heir of Mao's CUltural Revolution of 1960s China - a bleak era when due to the ideological whim of one ideologue an entire civilization was turned upside down with devastating results for millions and millions of people. I've been told Chinese people who lived through that time can not talk about it to this day without tears.

BrianB @ 1.63: You do realize that the 2nd Amendment makes all that male brawn stuff useless? A Browning is a great equalizer.

And, back on track: I'd be in the pillory/stocks every day, because "eff" is my favorite word.

Finally! the issue that will put Mr. Santorum over the top with the electorate. This combinded with his campaign to outlaw sarcasm on the internet should juyst about do it!!!!!

Wow, Toasty, are you trying to tell us that Rush Limbaugh has a right to say what he wants to....even if it pisses off angry liberals?'

This is one of the great misunderstandings of the right with respect to the First Amendment. It does not grant any citizen the "right to say what he wants", without restrictions. That's simply not what it says, nor what it means.

If Rush himself believed that, then he should have stood his ground, and could have afforded to weather the legal and political fallout, but he didn't and for good reasons. He was stupid, wrong, and defamatory for saying the things he said, and he knows it.

Simply by looking at the course of events, even the most Rabid Right (tm) should have the brains to see it.

Google santorum for the wiki definition - ironic isn't it.

Another thing that can effect the young developing brain that can lead to an improved economy, less unemployment, less need for abortions, less government assistance programs, etc., etc. is a little something called "education".

Why not not run on that platform vs. focusing on the symptoms?

It will be an incredibly foolish thing to do to elect this guy as President. It seems he would focus his presidency on addressing social issues, which are pretty much low down on the priority list; yet he knows zip about foreign policy, which is crucial right now. We need an intelligent leader, someone strongly versed in foreign policy as a matter of survival for the planet. He ain't it.

AZIAQ: Another thing that can affect the young developing brain ... is a little something called "education".

He thinks getting an education is an elite, snobbish thing to do. Heaven help us if he is elected. We'll all be speaking Chinese.

To compare Santorums agenda to that of the Chinese Cultural Revolution shows a great lack of understanding. There, you would be arrested just because you wore glasses ! And people disappeared, were tortured, killed, their organs sold on the international market. PLEASE think before you post nonsense like this.

Another word : Santorum is not THE REPUBLICANS, nor is Gingrich.

Mentioning Victoria's Secret reminded me that there is a great difference in opinion in judging what is "porn." A fashion show of Victoria's secret is asmuch porn as a beauty pageant : NONE. Those simply delight us in the perfection of the human body. Porn is another story. It, too, can be - and obviously is- uplifting to those who have a taste for it.

But please, please, do NOT include child porn in this. There are reasons why kids have to be of a certain age to be able to drink. And kids should be a certain age until they can agree to this kind of livelihood. That has nothing t do with the government telling you what to do, that has something to do with the government protecting the vulnerable. I shudder everytime I think of the physical pain they must feel. That is actionable pornography to me. As for the rest --- "whatever turns you on." Go ahead, have your smoke, drink your beer, watch your porn.

oh yeah, the reason drugs are not legal has noting to do with religion. Where in the Bible are drugs mentioned ??? Ron Paul is for legalisation. Would you call him an atheist ? Legalizing drugs would only help for a few months. There are already far more addictive drugs in the labs of the drug lords, which are so strong that they would be illegal. Since they were so well designed, here would soon be a black market and all the problems would be back. There is too much money to be made from illegal drugs. The killing and kidnapping and gun running would continue no matter what and those who "indulge" value their escape more than the lives of all those who lose theirs in the pursuit of the addicts' happiness.

That's my word for today.

There are a lot of obscenity laws out thtere that ARE largely ignored, and it hasn't just been by the current administration!

In the municipality I live in, there is a 100 year-old statute on the books that says you cannot curse or use profanity while in city limits in a public space. You get a ticket.

That statute is still on the books. So far as I am aware, it's never been enforced. Seriously, if they did start enforcing it all of a sudden, our city budget would be WAY in the black--we'd have a surplus, we'd probably even be able to run the city schools on the revenue from enforcement of the anti-swearing law. Everyone over the age of three(including cops, maybe ESPECIALLY cops) would have tickets/citations/fines! (including me, I must unfortunately admit; I have occasionally let slip a swearword. I am now putting in an effort to avoid recidivism since I found out about this law. I strive very hard to be a law-abiding citizen and ignorance of the law is not an excuse to get out of paying the penalty for breaking it.)

MM-584706

Hummm...no pron before 2009 ..isn;t that what your claim is Have to wonder where you have been for the past 20 or so years?

Out in the woods

To compare Santorums agenda to that of the Chinese Cultural Revolution shows a great lack of understanding. There, you would be arrested just because you wore glasses ! And people disappeared, were tortured, killed, their organs sold on the international market. PLEASE think before you post nonsense like this.

Another word : Santorum is not THE REPUBLICANS, nor is Gingrich.

When the GOP disavows them and what they stand for I'll believe you but for now, everything the GOP contenders stand for is codified in the party platform and the GOP governors seem to be pushing that agenda at the state level with masturbatory glee. As for the comparison to China or being taken over by China - you seem to forget that it is quite the world power and the anti-intellectualism and religious fascism we hear from the right (and during this campaign season from the GOP candidates) has some marked similarities. If the current stars of GOP were to gain power we have the potential for 2 outcomes: civil war or a decline into feudalism and poverty that would make it fairly easy for the Chinese to own us quite literally (or, at the very least, for us to have the same living and working conditions of the Chinese).

Mr. Santorum is the GOP poster-child of hypocrisy. He describes women's reproductive organs and the results of conception, but when a person uses the Saxon term for a man and a woman causing conception, he wants to say it is obscene. He spreads this obscenity all the time!

Mr. Sanitarium's answer to unemployment ..... 10s of 1000s of PROFANITY POLICE to enforce his profanity laws which he will bring in when he is President.....thank the Lord we won't have to worry about that.

Rick Santorum - Anti-U.S. Constitution candidate for GOP nomination.

Rick... stay the [self censored for newsvine] out of my house, my privacy, my bedroom.... I will be the judge of what is toxic to me and my marriage.

"Santorum is a Disease that will Destroy this Nation"

he would crack down on illegal pornography.

Better platform would be to crack down on corrupt politicians and wall street banking types. Illegal porn, really.

Have to laugh! Every time he talks he alienates another segment of society

No kidding! It's like this is some sort of sick experiment to see just how ridiculous a candidate can get and still maintain support. It's totally unbelievable.

Whenever I get into a conversation about the current crop and atmosphere of politics, all I do is have to point at St. Orum and say "Really?" --- it usually shuts them up or they try to disown him. They will say something like "It's not like he's the whole party!", in which I respond: "Well, about 50% of your primary voters support him.... so I guess you're right, he only represents half of your party."

That statute is still on the books. So far as I am aware, it's never been enforced

I've received a profanity ticket in Virginia Beach, they actually have signs up - and I let a few slip close to a plain clothes officer there. What makes me mad is that they usually don't enforce it unless some drunk is shouting stuff, but I was just chatting with friends.

Often when someone is strongly opposed to something like pornography it's an indication that they may be a closet case porn addict themselves

family values argues on his website that pornography causes changes in the brain to both children and adults,

Medical authority, please.

So Santorum wants to see a lot more theocratic enforcement of his family values imposed upon this country?

Reminds me of a musical piece by Mel Brooks, in, "History of the World, Part 1":

-------------------------------------------------------

The Inquisition (What a show)
The Inquisition (Here we go)
We know you're wishing that we'd go away
But the inquisition's here and it's here to…

Hey Torquemada!
What do you say?

I just got back from the auto-da-fé ,

Auto-da-fé What's the auto-da-fé?
It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway.

Skit scat doodlebac doodle be bay

Will you convert….NO NO NO NO
Will you confess….NO NO NO NO
Will you revert….NO NO NO NO
Will you say YES….NO NO NO NO

Now I asked in a nice way
I said pretty please
I bent their ears
Now I'll work on the knees

Hey Torquemada
Walk this way
We got a new game you might want to play
Pull this handle, try your luck
Who knows Torque, You might win a buck...

Put it in the car
In the car In the car

How we doing. Any converts today?
Not a one Nay Nay Nay
We've flattened their fingers
We've branded their buns
Nothing is working

SEND IN THE NUNS

The Inquisition (What a show)
The Inquisition (Here we go)

We know you're wishing that we'd go away
So come on all you heathens and you Jews
We got some good news for all of yous
You'd better change your point of views today

Cause the inquisitions here and it's here to stay!

Hory Clap! Is Santorum really going here??? He wants women pregnant, in the home, no birth control...I can't believe it is 2012 and I am even reading something like this. This guy is really a nut. More frightening than Mitt. He reminds me of Dubya actually. He wants to legislate morality and that NEVER WORKS. Pornography can be helpful...I am sure that Mr. Santorum has seen porn...What is wrong with porn? I don't get it...

People please vote. This is getting really frightening. Another thing, Mr. Santorum, President Obama has more to worry about that porn. Good grief.

I'm sorry the conservative Christians have such a big problem with the porn but can someone explain why we need to tighten secular laws and make sure none of these great moral people could ever be able to find something dirty solely because they have no will-power to avoid sinning unless everyone else actively prevents them from doing so?

This is yet one more way in which the Christo-Taliban branch of the GOP is like the fundamentalist Muslims, a group that they pretend to despise. Just as Muslims want to hide women under veils because men can't control their urges, the far-right GOP would censor what we can view for the same reason.

Bob you're an Idiot.

(how many do you want?)

How about one that is actually true, you silly dolt.

Perhaps you're too old or too undesirable to actually know anything about the costs of female contraception, but "$9 a month", let alone "free", is a fact pulled from your Santorum zone. (http://fertilewindow.blogspot.com/2010/09/what-does-birth-control-cost.html )

But hey -- what else should one expect from someone stupid enough to vote for ANY of the GOP "candidates"? And, I'd wager, it's a decision influenced by the fact they constantly mention "Jesus" as their copilot.

Jefferson is spinning in his grave.

Which party had the huge tab at a strip club for a political event for young republicans. Which party has a Senator Vitter (Huggie Bear) who has admitted frequently using the services of prostitutes (he loves to be Pampered). Ha clean your own house Bob.

"...holds fake Congressional hearings to provide a stage for 30 year old little girls on $50,000 a year law school scholarships to testify why they need free contraceptives because free-$9 a month is such a burden."

When you find out, let me (and us) know. I think that would be dispicable. BUT- if there is a 30-something 'woman' that is trying to help a fellow student gain needed meds for an ovarian malady, then that might be different. Agree, Bob??

Well, do ya, punk? (apologies to Clint, of course)

Bob, judging by your post I'm sure you get laid a lot. Seeing as that 60 something percent of the country does not have health insurance birth control is not $9 a month. My wife pays 56 a month and that is after her insurance coverage. While she is finishing her phd and I just finished my masters it's a stretch added to our budgets.

Uh, isn't "The Nanny State" a new porno film coming out next year?

So you consider someone that doesn't want to see Obama move into the second term stupid?

Um, yep.

Given the GOP nominee wannabees, only someone who: a.) has been brainwashed by Rupert Murdoch's propaganda machine, or b.) is illiterate, or c.) is a selfish, uncaring one percenter, or d.) is a religious wacko a la Rick Santorum, or e.) is the type you mentioned, would vote for one of those pathetic losers who would turn us around to go backwards.

Which category do you fit into?

its all true Bob ... lol ... what we need is more federal intrusion on individual choice .. thats also true ..lol

Santorum says he would enforce US obscenity laws that Obama ignores

Santorum is an obscenity.

Bob! Stick to topic! Santorum wants to go after porn. Your porn. No more internet "Hello, me love you long time", which, I assume, is the only way a misogynistic person like you could possibly get sex. Why are you so obsessed with women's sex lives that it's OK to need proof! Why?

My Daughter is 20 years old. She has polycystic ovaries. She's got to prove to you or anyone else? That's between her and her doctor. And your quotes from Target and Walmart comes from Fox News or, As I choose to call it Faux Spews, does not cover all prescriptions. My Daughters is $23.99. With my insurance discount.

Brianb- you sound really frazzled. Here's a bit of advice-you can't watch Fuxk News and tote on crack pipe at the same time, major overload on the brain Brian, one at a time dude.

Here we go with the name calling. Republicans are the ones who are most maligned , which goes to show that Democrats are more intolerant and more uncivil than Republicans. Doesn't it ?

I understand now why Liberals vote Democratic : they want to hold on to their joints, their beer, their porn, their simplistic world view : Fox News is bad; religion is bad; disagreeing with stated principles is bad; correct spelling is bad; grammar is bad; eating what you lie is bad; saying what you think is good only if it fits in with the general lowest common denominator. That is the impression I get from reading this board.

Thanks for making this clear to me.

Out in the Woods: You forgot to mention that Democrats/aka Liberals/aka Anyone Who Isn't Out in the Woods are also grey reptilian space aliens, plotting to blow up the planet. If you're going to demonize large quantities of people, commit to it!

Big Boy Rush characterizes women as "sluts," and though he retracted this after his sponsors fled in droves, we stoned, illiterate, skanky masses know that he meant every word of it. So man up, Woods! People who don't share your views are the Antichrist, so go ahead and say so!

Well said, Melissa.

so, out, those of us in the democratic party who are people of faith think religion is bad and are waging a war on it? we think religious zealotry that requires submission of non-adherents to a religious ideology to which we do not agree is bad.

How is it that we who have the ability to not only recognize differences in culture, ideals and lifestyles but to appreciate those and allow people who are not acting in any injurious way to another to lead their lives, work their jobs and be productive members of society without us getting into their personal business to tell them exactly how they are permitted to do that when the conservative platform is supporting a very narrow, worldview limited to that of the Christian bible to which we must all adhere because those who seem to subscribe to a conservative "Christian" doctrine are incapable of actually doing without forcibly being prevented from committing sin. We liberals will support the right of Conservative Christians to live as Christianly as they desire but you are to do it without imposing it on us; we are not responsible for your souls or your inability to live "morally" and, as to your very odd comment that we are against "disagreeing with principals", any of us who have the audacity to say we disagree with your principals and do not wish to live in accordance with your doctrine are maligned as unAmerican, unpatriotic, commies, atheists (even if we are people of faith ourselves because you do not recognize or respect anyone who disagrees with you), and accused of ruining this country.

"Rick Santorum is a very sick man and l think he needs help, I feed sorry for him"

Fox News is bad; religion is bad; disagreeing with stated principles is bad; correct spelling is bad; grammar is bad; eating what you lie is bad; saying what you think is good only if it fits in with the general lowest common denominator. That is the impression I get from reading this board.

Another day, another bagger poster who cant cite any solutions for our country. Just another benchwarmer do-nothing Republican throwing rocks while the President is getting things done.

The economy is in recovery and the GOP is scared. All they have now is gas prices and vagina monologues. They are dust in November. The posts here bear their desperation and impotence.

Got Solutions? Got Candidate?

So you consider someone that doesn't want to see Obama move into the second term stupid? Who the hell are you to call someone stupid? Do you feel that your choice is superior? Have you even considered the hell Obama is putting this country through? The blame anyone but him president is an excuse in ignorance.

Lol...so you ended your rant against calling people stupid by....calling him ignorant. What a bozo.

Again, what are the GOP solutions for jobs and gas prices? Got solutions? Sooner or later, you conservatives are going to need an actual plan and policies. Where are they?

I'm really starting to suspect Ricky's mother opened the bathroom door at an inopportune time when he was nine. He has an extraordinary fixation with body orifices.

"Santorum needs more than shock therapy, he needs a good kick in his A$$ by all the Lady's of America"

sfcret, right, its the Democrats who insist you can't vote without a photo ID., insist you prove you are a citizen if you're stopped by the police in Az, have a medically unnecessary intravaginal sonogram before you terminate your pregnancy, prove you need birth control pills for reasons other than family planning before your H.I. has to pay for it and allow your tax dollars to fund schools run by a religion to which you do not subscribe.

Wait, which Party threatens our freedoms?

sfcret, this is an issue because Santorum keeps raising social issues. The media is reporting what a candidate for president is proposing, should he be elected. I'd like to know what a candidate wants before voting for him/her, unlike some people who just vote based on the R or D on the ballot.

And I have to argue with you about the "nanny state" position you've taken. With all of the social issues that the GOP has brought up so far, it's pretty clear that they are the party who wishes to control your life, even in your own bedroom. The GOP wants to legislate morality, and control what we as individuals can do in our own homes, away from the public. That is a nanny state attitude most of us can see.

Democrats want government to control you from cradle to grave? Republicans want to have control from the womb to the tomb.

Santorum's goofball ideas about enforcing his version of morality (he's probably a pornographer himself) prove he's out to lunch.

How would he enforce his moral laws, institute Religious Police like they have in Saudi Arabia?

He would be a hopelessly inept president who would send this country back to the Stone Age.

Sometimes I almost wish he would win, just so right wing idiots would get exactly what they're asking for.

Freedom from religious oppression is a big issue! What part of history didn't you understand here?

Be careful what you askfor, the elections thus far in the primary have all been twisted and un-clean. We all know their single issue is get Obama out. That would leave allot of room for questionable behavior down the road.

Forrest

Firing squad or hanging? The nannycrats want to lock you up for riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Hell in Oregon (liberal) you can go to jail for pumping your own gas.

GOP control freaks will leave you alone as long as you subscribe to their moral beliefs and code.

Personally I think helmets are a good idea, when I see a guy with a 20,000 dollar bike and a 15 dollar helmet I think well if you got a 15 dollar head I guess you put it in a 15 dollar helmet. Besides how do you know that the GOP moral control freaks won't pass a law demanding that your girlfriend rides side-saddle.

Forrest

You make my point.

The nannycrats don't trust us to think for ourselves.

The GOP Wing Nuts don't want us to think for ourselves.

No I did not say I want to force you to wear a helmet, I just said I think it is a good idea to wear a really good helmet, the choice would be yours and mine to make for ourselves.

"Santorum wants to put a Cross on top of the White House and set up a service every Sunday Bible thumping to his Tea Retard buddies and pass all the dead fetus in the U.S.A. around to say their goodbyes." A Weird man of family values ?

"Santorum, when you say Enforce, that is Law" - Weird idiot !

He is beyond weird. He is scary. He really wants to put women back. I get furious listening to him and other people that think they have the right to tell me anything about morality. There is a reason for the separation of church and state. The founding father's knew this. It is interesting those saying that the founding fathers were christian. They were not. Go back and read some more. Sharia Law??? That is the NON SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE...

True, he's the tattle tail. Santorum is a guy who talks about freedom but wants everybody to do what he tells them is right, follow his faith, whatever. In other words, he's just like the other right-wing extremists who also love freedom as long as it's their version of freedom.

So true, Jody.

Chucky, that's my impression as well.

Rick Santorum, Hall Monitor. He gets his facts from the same place he removed wedgies as a youth i believe.

With all the other real problems in the world, why is obscenity a focal point. Obscenity is offensive, yes, but in the long run, what does it matter if food isn't on the table, the rent isn't paid, illegal immigrants roam the streets, foreign wars suck our economy dry, foreign aid even exists, our children have poor medical care, bankers and wall street rob us blind, and on and on. Perhaps the "obscenity" contained and extrapolated from these observations should be illegal. Unfortunately, Santorum is so engrossed in his tunnel vision and his definition of obscenity (sex, porn, cursing, any other religion than Christian right), he won't really see what is obscene.

The really great thing about Santorum and his position(s) is that he's voicing them now. He's telling everyone what he plans to do. Let's hope that "everyone" can see what I see. I see a control freak throwing around his weight, trying to enforce his religious agenda on others, decrying those that disagree with him, and creating subterfuge to camouflage the real problems that need addressing in this country. Not that he has any corner on this behavior, but at least he's showing his true colors now.

Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like any of the candidates--Republican or Democrat. I just wish the candidates would address the real issues this country faces. Ron Paul is the only one who comes close, but he's been smeared so bad, he hasn't a chance. I don't agree with everything Paul says, but at least he tries to stick to the issues that really affect this country. It would be a miracle if other candidates would embrace that point of view.

Now, wait a minute. That was a very ugly thing to say. I'm sure he wanted a remembrance of the child with his whole family. They must have all been deeply heartbroken.

Mickey evidently you have never lost a baby or know anyone who has. Current Dr's recommend this as part of dealing with grief. I am no Santorum fan but that is a jerky thing to say. Stick with your criticism of his politics.

Bull@!$%#. A photo op with a dead baby is sick.

charemro- maybe he's an Alice Cooper fan (sorry if you are too young to remember, circa 1972)

God (ours, not his) only knows what a defect like Santorum thinks about on a daily basis.

Nobody said the Santorum family wasn't sad about the loss but most people do not bring home a dead baby to show the rest of the children. That's not grief, that's just sick and creepy.

Dr's recomend? You must get your facts from the National Enquirer of Fox. Same owner, Similar reporting. It is sad that they lost a child but taking a photo is sick and twisted.

It was a fetus of 20 weeks gestation. I wouldn't go so far as to classify it as a baby. Santorum keeps a picture of it in his office.

Personally, I think showing a dead fetus to such young children (ages 5, 3 and one) is not a good idea. Children that young are not capable of comprehending death and might be traumatized by such an experience.

[Current Dr's recommend this as part of dealing with grief.]

ksw, I have never heard ANY doctor "recommend" this as part of grief counseling. If my doctor ever "recommended" it I would find a new doctor, and in my opinion, it is a disgusting request.

[They must have all been deeply heartbroken.]

Deangelo, no doubt the Santorum family was deeply heartbroken, but to bring home your dead son to pose for pictures...that is just sick. I cannot comprehend the grief of losing a child, but come on...

Current doctors recommend bringing a dead baby/fetus home to show it to three children under the age of six? Come now. It would be very difficult to find a single physician to endorse that sort of traumatic behavior let alone the medical profession as a whole. I'm still surprised what Santorum did wasn't regarded as child abuse.

Why wouldn't the family go see the dead baby at the hospital or at the funeral home? If my grandmother passed away, I wouldn't want to see my family take the body on a tour of the country to everyone's home.

I can't believe it is even legal to let a private individual take any deceased person home with them! Is it like checking out a library book or can I tell my wife to just take me home stuff my ass in the freezer and keep on collecting those SS checks. Oh yeah and on the ride home I will be sitting in the passenger seat with a blank stare while the wife stops and actually asks people for directions just to aggravate me.

I heard about one or two people doing that, but I can't see how it would be therapeutic at all. I know this isn't quite the same, but I fostered two kids and now that I can't see them again, I grieve for them, and can't look at their pictures. Mind, I can't have children and only have one adopted son.

Santorum made the kids sleep with the dead baby, check it out-go to WWW.Santorumdeadfetus.com, anyone that supports this sick act is is also sick.

"He does need a good dose of "George Carlin"...."

OR- a good look at those 'two fried-eggs-on-a-nail' breasts of Palin's.

(ohhh,,,Ohhh, somebody call Hanity, and see if he will add this to his now 5 day old and running diatribe about kinder, gentler conversation regarding political discourse,)

[He does need a good dose of "George Carlin"....]

George Carlin, as well as Bill Hicks, would set Santorums' hair on fire.

JoAnne,

The right blames the media for even bringing this statement up. The left blames the media for not asking the hard questions to support his statement. Both are right.

JoAnne,

it is all about math from this day forward..

Ready to stop by the DDI and enjoy the feast, drink some beer and enjoy the Irish music. Hope to see you there Jo Anne.

Northstar -

Since Rick Santorum is so bad for my blood pressure, I'm heading over to the jukebox even as we speak to put a couple of quarters on the Irish tenors' live version of "Fields of Athenry", and since my Mom's favorite movie of all time was "The Quiet Man", I'll have to play "Isle of Innisfree" at least a time or two as well. I have to warn you, one more glass of Guinness and I'll be singing along. Hope Gingerbread Mamma gets here soon with that shepherd's pie - I'm starving!

Have a good weekend!

JoAnne, the media should report what Santorum says, verbatim.

That is the only way voters can see what he really is: a liar.

I doubt he'll get far enough to debate President Obama, but if he does the POTUS will wipe the floor with him. Count on it.

The real obsenity is the republican party...keep the hypocrites out of the white house...

Damned good thing Gitmo is still open !

And more importantly, like the era of Prohibition, there will be thousands who profit off of the "War on porn".

I am convinced now that this guy and his supporters are disconnected from reality.

And yet, YOU supplied no evidence to support your claim that her claim is an "outrageous lie" lol....

Nice try, though. ;P

Besides, she used words like "real validity," "talking points," and "BS." These are all very subjective, arbitrary terms. In other words, it doesn't look like she was making any factual statements; rather, she was merely expressing an opinion. If people required evidence in order to support their opinions about things, the Republican Party wouldn't exist.

I am merely making an observation. If you want the facts, look them up....

My fear is that the article will be Ron Paul 1935 - 2012

Shouldn't dealing with the wars at present & keeping our country safe from invaders & terrorist be our government's first concern over porn or economics.

Wouldnn't mind seeing all Porn out-lawed, I would rather see prositution made legal and put an end to street walkers & pronography. At least the gov could collect taxes. But none of this is important while we have troops in danger in a foreign land.

Did you say "All porn outlawed" and then in the next sentence, say "I would rather see prositution made legal and put an end to street walkers and pronography"??? I can't believe that. The only good thing I found about your post, that made any sense, was the last sentence. Agreed troops are more important.

How, though, can you say end porn and then say legalize prostitution? Makes no sense.

the pope called all american bishops to the Vatican two months ago the want to control the u s

really ? ED. really crystal ball much ?

Ricky can have his attorney general convene grand jurys around the country. "Do you now or have you ever looked at pornographic materials"?

Santorum: "Rights? Women have rights? Since when?"

Will and Mike430...you are right on. This man is a total dictator. He wants to spread the word of the mormon's, Joseph Smith. He wants women to only have babies when married. He wants to attack porn (AAAHHHAHAHAHA!!!! sorry, still blown away by that one). I just heard about the death of his baby and I hate that, but stay away from my body, Mr. Santorum, and stop trying to legislate morality. Sick...the man is sick.

Barney Frank

Before

He came out of the closet.

Valid point - but you forgot the selective interpretation filter that the far right applies to all events in history and all observable events in the universe.

It's a good thing that there aren't laws banning idiots and fools because then Santorum could be convicted on both counts.

rogerbeard

"There is a book

That tells of a man

Having Sexual Intercourse with

His two Daughters.

The book is called the Bible.

The man's name was Lot.

And the children produced by his daughters ( two sons)

Each formed a tribe of Israelites.

Will Santorum ( Saniflush ) ban the bible?"

Not to mention King David sending his neighbor off to war so he could seduce his wife! It is in the good book!

"I'm still standing... and have lotsamore to dish out"

Git outta here! Really? "lotsamore" to dish out? Hope none of it involves the... what's it again- typos or the English languange?

Sheesh...and I thought it was the economy, or something!

I'm sure that Santorum being a good christian views all the bible before christ as not relevant to his religion. After all, that part of the bible covers that other religion that isn't the real word of God, right?

Romney to Santorum, I'll see your Bible and raise you one Bible. Bet you 10,000 bucks and a roof dog we Mormons have more bibles than you.

You have issues about Bibles, don't you Sam? Make you worried because you don't comprehend and/or follow what it says to do? Just sayin' . . .

More evil and injury has been done in the name of the "Bible" than any other writing in history !

The Main Problem with making christianity believable

The christians try to solve by saying that the three are one

The problem with that is Evolution

Yaweh (the Creator) sent his Chosen people into the promised land with instructions to kill every man,woman, and child there. The Promised Land was theirs after they did as instructed by Yaweh.

The people that were there were industrious. They had fine houses and bountiful harvests. They were to be slaughtered on the instructions of Yaweh.

Now we come to the all loving hey-Zeus.

Yaweh kicked man out of the Garden so he would Not Have ever-lasting Life.

Hey-Zeus says people live forever. In one of his fathers mansions or in hell.

It just does Not Make Sense. And my ancestors ate from the tree of Knowledge.

Yaweh gave the day to be called the Sabbath. Told his chosen how He wanted his houses of worship to be.

christians picked Sunday as the Sabbath not because hey-Zeus told them to and worship in houses covered with man made images and not because hey-Zeus told them to.

hey-Zeus is made up out of Yeshu'a who told his followers not to take anything Holy befor dogs (those not His Chosen).

christians are after your money.

"...you don't comprehend and/or follow what it says to do?"

Such as sell your daughters, slaughter your enemies and keep their virgin daughters for yourself, and promote the institution of slavery? I think we have outgrown the primitive myths of an ancient band of lice-ridden nomads, and it's high time we stop paying the least attention to people who claim to have a special understanding of the bible because they're just plain wrong. It is just a book of iron-age fiction.

Sailcat...

Don't you know that Islam is a "Religion of Peace", as well? You must be under-educated.

(I personally think that there would be peace in the world if we brought the Science Channel to Pakistan.)

The subject being discussed was the christian bible, not islam nor the koran. Please try to stay focused.

You have issues about Bibles, don't you Sam? Make you worried because you don't comprehend and/or follow what it says to do? Just sayin' . . .

Not all us believe in it, so why would we? Although growing up Lutheran as a youth, I read it twice. Its a good book of positive (mostly liberal) ideas and lessons. To some of us who are Agnostic, its all that it is. Certainly not a manifesto to run the government by.

Remember, the freedom of religion means I have the freedom to not have one if I don't believe. I cant pretend to be okay with leaders who want to use their religion as governance and as a test of being American or worthy. And I cant accept the notion that Science is somehow a threat or affront to God.

Sailcat, the first 5 books of the bible are the Torah as well as the Koran. You stay focused. IF you are going to talk about the bible, then know the facts, especially telling someone else to stay focused. Do you even know where Ishmael came from? He is the line from Abraham that went the way of Islam, where as Isaac went the way of Judaism....Christianity, Islam and Judaism all come from the same thing. As far as how this relates to the article, Mr. Santorum is reading the bible, the mormon Bible, which is different, and trying to push his views on me. Thank you but, I do fine with my own beliefs. None of which say I have to deliver a baby, save sex for marriage or NOT watch porn. Santorum is a nut.

@Diver - while you're at it, don't forget to point out that the Christians changed the order of Torah to create their old testament