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If there's been one familiar refrain among Republicans during this presidential primary, it's been that the hard-fought battle between Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and other contenders hasn't hurt the party – arguably, it's even strengthened it.
"Don't always assume that a primary fight is a bad thing," Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said Mar. 7 on CNN. "In fact, I think it's the opposite. I think it's going to be great for our party."
And frequently, as a point of reference, Republicans point to the long – and, at times, bitter – intra-party battle between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2008 as evidence that an extended race to the nomination isn’t necessarily a hindrance to winning the White House.
But there are important differences between the two cycles. Some of them might serve as a warning sign for the GOP, such as less money and a more damaged brand. And some might give the party encouragement, like more enthusiasm among Republicans.
Of course, an important caveat: In some ways, it’s difficult to compare 2008 (a race without an incumbent and with two history-making primary candidates) with 2012 (when there’s a sitting president in the Oval Office).
Bank accounts
At this point in the Democratic primary in 2008, Obama and Clinton had each heavily outraised Republicans’ fundraising haul through the first couple of months of 2012.
In February of 2008, just as the Democratic campaign had appeared to shift into a two-person race, the Obama campaign raised $55 million for the month, and had $39 million in the bank going into March. Clinton raised $35 million over the same time period, and had $29 million in cash on hand. (It’s worth noting, though, that much of Clinton’s money was reserved for the general election, and she couldn’t use in the primary season.)
Compare that to the money raised by Santorum and Romney over February, according to their own campaigns’ estimates (official numbers have not yet been filed with the Federal Election Commission). Romney raised $11.5 million in February and Santorum raised about $9 million. Romney had just $7.3 million in the bank at the end of the month, though, suggesting that his campaign is spending at a rate that could threaten to bleed him dry by November, especially if the primary continues for a while.
A discrepancy would suggest some diminished enthusiasm for the Republican candidates this cycle, at least at first glance.
But there are some important things to keep in mind: First, overall fundraising is down in 2012 versus 2008, in part due to the impact of a deep recession that onset after the 2008 primary.
More Republican money has also flowed to super PACs that support the various GOP candidates. These groups didn’t exist in the last Democratic primary, and one Romney super PAC alone, Restore Our Future, has already spent over $30 million this primary season.
The brand
Perhaps the most illuminating figures on the impact of the Republican primary campaign comes from a series of national NBC News/Wall Street Journal polls and the exit polling conducted of voters in key battleground state primaries.
By March of 2008, both Obama and Clinton enjoyed net-positive favorability ratings among the public at large (Obama: 51 positive, 28 negative; Clinton: 45 positive, 43 negative according to the March 2008 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll).
Romney and Santorum haven’t fared as well with the general public, according to this month’s numbers, also taken from the most recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Romney has a 28 percent positive rating among U.S. adults, and a 39 percent negative rating. Santorum has a 26 percent positive rating, and a 39 percent negative rating. They each perform much better with Republican primary voters.
And in terms of the impact on each party’s brand, the Democratic Party had a 45 percent positive rating among registered voters in March of 2008, and a 35 percent negative rating. Four years later, the Republican Party has a 32 percent positive rating, and a 43 percent negative rating.
But the GOP’s ratings represent a recovery of sorts from the party’s depths in mid-2010, when the August NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll from that year had the Republican Party with just a 24 percent positive rating, and a 46 percent negative rating.
Republicans are also still dealing with the fallout from an unpopular two-term president in George W. Bush, who preceded Obama. The wars Bush had started are still winding down, and Obama still warns of a return to the policies of the years that preceded him, attacking Bush by implication.
The Bush years also left Republicans with a more fractious coalition with emerging fault lines of social issues and foreign and economic policy. Given those divisions, it might be tougher for any of these candidates to capture a broader swath of the electorate.
Enthusiasm, curbed
The figures from both primaries suggest that Democrats were happier with their choice of candidates than Republicans have been this cycle.
Fifty-seven percent of Republicans who voted in the Mar. 6 Ohio primary said in exit polls that they would be satisfied with Romney as the eventual nominee.
By comparison, 73 percent of Democrats who voted in the Ohio primary four years ago said they would be satisfied if Clinton won the nomination, and 66 percent of Democrats said the same of Obama that same cycle.
Nationally, 45 percent of Republican primary voters said in the March NBC/WSJ poll that they would support Romney with enthusiasm, and 42 percent said they would support Santorum with enthusiasm.
Four years ago, in the same national poll, 60 percent of Democrats said they would vote for Clinton with enthusiasm, and 52 percent expressed enthusiastic support for Obama.
But in 2008, Democrats weren’t being measured against an incumbent president like Republicans are this cycle. The differences between the candidates were also more stylistic in 2008 than ideological, especially compared to the 2012 race in which Republicans do battle over the extent of their conservatism.
But the Democratic primary four years ago also featured two political heavyweights in Obama and Clinton, each of whom were poised to make history simply by virtue of their nomination. Obama would become the first African-American presidential nominee, and later, the nation’s first black president. Clinton would have been the first woman to top a ticket, and the first woman president if she were elected.
And Republicans can take solace in the fact that Obama is now their greatest unifier. While there might not be tremendous enthusiasm for either of the two major remaining Republican candidates, there’s a great deal of interest within the GOP about beating Obama.
A mid-February Gallup poll found that Republicans, by an 8-point margin, were more likely to say that they were enthusiastic about voting this fall compared to Democrats. And among certain key portions of Obama’s 2008 coalition, especially younger and nonwhite voters, enthusiasm was down.
But a mid-March poll, also by Gallup, found that enthusiasm for Romney and Santorum within the GOP is down from 2008; Republicans are motivated this time by voting against Obama.
And the numbers in the January NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll suggest that while Santorum and Romney might not generate tremendous enthusiasm, they’re at least acceptable. Seventy-five percent of Republican primary voters said they would be “comfortable” with Romney as the nominee, and 65 percent said the same for Santorum.
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Dems see it as a war on women. Reps see it as a war on babies. We have the right to kill our next generation but who will take care of us if we keep killing our babies?
If you're a Republican, you don't need anyone else to take care of you. Just keep pulling those bootstraps higher and higher.
In the final analysis it will be a close election and the Koch Bros. will spend a billion dollars in Super Pac money to try to defeat the president. Birthers will be back in full force. By election day people will have watched thousands of negative ads and faux news/republican radio will flog the crazies to get out and vote. It will be the dirtiest election campaign in history.
You mean like that libtard Mahr and every fake news outlet like NBC(national bama corp) or msDNC?
Both democrats and the republicans have been destroying our nation.
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka stated that: "As president, Barack Obama has placed his faith in America’s working men and women to lead our country to economic recovery and our full potential. So we’re putting our faith in him." (March 13, 2012).
But the truth is if the AFL-CIO President really wanted to assess Obama's first four years in relation to working people, he should have included the following points:
1) He bailed out the bankers, and his administration has refused to prosecute any of them for the crimes they committed.
2) The shameful lack of action to create the 25 million full-time jobs the AFL-CIO demanded, until recently, to address the jobs depression.
3) Obama's health care plan; it slashes hundreds of millions of dollars from Medicare; forces working people to buy shoddy corporate health care, and taxes the health care of union workers (so called "Cadillac" health care plans).
4) The Wall Street "reform" bill was weak enough to allow Wall Street to continue acting as it had been before the crisis, thus re-creating the conditions that will inevitably lead to another crisis.
5) Obama was complicit as Democratic governors attacked the wages and benefits of public sector union workers across the United States, rather than raising taxes on the wealthy to handle state deficits. The continuing attack on public sector unions aims at the heart of the labor movement.
6) Obama's national deficit reduction plan threatens to cut additional hundreds of millions of dollars from Medicare and reduce Social Security benefits.
7) Obama's badly named Race-to-the-Top education program is a direct attack on public education and unionized teachers, since it rewards states for creating privately administered and non-union charter schools, while attacking the seniority of union teachers in publicly administered schools through new "teacher evaluation" schemes.
8) Obama pushed to pass the pro-corporate South Korea, Colombia, and Panama free-trade deals.
9) Obama promised to pass the pro-union Employee Free Choice Act, but never aggressively promoted it. A broken promise.
10) He promised to renegotiate NAFTA, another broken promise, because he did not even go through the motions of pretending to try.
11) He promised to make immigration reform a top priority and did nothing, again without trying.
12) He campaigned against the Patriot Act and then turned around to support it when he was elected.
What is Obama promising unions this election? Nothing. Why make promises to organizations like labor that don't seem to care if you break them? The "lesser of two evils" argument was Trumka's most convincing when he announced support for Obama, yet the logic remains fundamentally flawed. The problem with the "lesser of two evils" is that it is still an evil. It will continue the policies that are destroying us as told to do by the UN, banking, big pharmaceuticals. (Don't believe me, look who makes up his "staff") It is NOT anyone from the general public, it is big banking, big pharma, etc.
The power of labor unions is not dependent on politicians, but inherent in itself. Labor unions do not depend on the good graces of Democrats for their survival; workers are quite capable of defending themselves. Last year’s events in Wisconsin and Ohio revealed on a small scale the enormous potential of organized labor to mobilize for power, proving that when union members are "motivated,” they can do truly incredible things.
The AFL-CIO and SEIU are dreaming if they think their membership will spring into action to re-elect President Obama. Union members are no different than the millions of non- organized workers across the country who've experienced zero benefit from having Obama as their President. Union members, like non-union members, saw their living standards fall under Obama. Many union members remain unemployed, like non-union members, due to Obama's lack of action to create jobs. To think that these union members will use their free time to phone bank and door knock for Obama borders on delusion.
Rank-and-file union members have observed that giving money to and campaigning for President Obama does not "build power,” but destroys it.
It is demoralizing for union workers to campaign for Democrats and then have to organize protests against these very same Democrats only months later when they move to implement cuts in services, jobs and reduce health care and or pensions. It is also a completely wasted investment in terms of the dues money of union workers, who would rather see this money spent towards fighting their employers for higher wages and benefits.
Campaigning for Democrats weakens unions further because union members will not be educated about the anti-union policies of the Democrats. An educated union movement is a powerful one.
Labor is crucially weakened by the Democrats because unions must water down their demands and weaken their actions to make them non-threatening to the Democrats. The AFL-CIO was demanding that 25 million jobs be created before Obama made it clear he would do no such thing. Now the AFL-CIO is silent on the jobs issue as it touts the job creating "successes" of Obama.
Unions are not as politically important as the big banks and will be treated accordingly. Wall Street successfully funded Obama's first presidential bid as labor leaders tried to stay "in the game" by throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into the election, money that Obama didn't need but union members did.
An idea for union members: labor should abandon the Democratic Party and start running its own candidates as independents at all levels; the local and national levels, including for President. They could run on a platform calling for massive federal, state and local jobs-creation programs in order to put the 25 million unemployed workers back to work. This could be the a first step in creating a labor party that would really represent working people. (Shamus Cooke is a social worker, trade unionist, and writer for Workers Action).
Knine,
I can debunk or unravel or correctly explain every item on your list. Where did you get that Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh or Hannity? All this is an outright lie or distortion, the reason I assume these are the places you got this information.
Another thing, President Obama cannot write and pass his own legislation, too bad, we would have been a lot close to a complete recovery!!! He has had to deal with the party of NO and OBSTRUCTION since the day he was elected, and in some cases like Dodd/Frank having to accept watered down bills to get anything passed.Nice long post, but with no factual information.
He has never had free rein to get the legislation he wanted, NEVER.
Trying to baffle us with a mountain of bull sh't, Republican facts are always "we blame liberals and Obama for this, this, this and this"..., but where are the true verifiable facts, not something you are placing blame for....come on guys, surely you can do better than that. Better yet show us an example of anything the Republican party has done for the nation over the past 3 years that does not include being the best economic terrorist they could possibly be. Give us the Republican plans and solutions and don't forget those accomplishments, and I am not referring to defending the top 1% while they attack the middle class, teachers, firefighters, police, blue collar workers and unions, women, Hispanics and minorities , where does it end....oh you get the picture ;)
Great job guys keep up the good work, I give you 3 thumbs up on the best republican performance for most likely to get knocked into extinction in November. ;)
Amazing how much damage the Bush family has caused to the Republican Party. They must have push back the Party at least 20 years, maybe more.
The subpar performance of this group of Republican candidates in this presidential cycle clearly shows how disappointed even then Republican voters are in their Party. Low turnout, split vote, candidates dropping off because a show of incompetence, candidates dropping off because they mistaken this process to a beauty contest and fielding the "office fool" as a candidate.
Not only have this bunch of clowns shown that they are not qualified to be President of the United States, they clearly demonstrated they are not even in the same class as President Obama.
It is clear by now to all Americans that President Obama will get his second term and hopefully his second chance to get is agenda through. As it should be the responsibility falls squarely on the citizens of this great country to give President Obama a responsible Congress to help him govern instead of impeding him to give Americans what they mandated him back in 2008. My follow Americans, please do not vote for your Party, vote for the best candidate in your district.
We don't need another war, another economic collapse and more begging for Arab oil. We need a clean economy, affordable healthcare for all, a strong coalition to the take care of our global military responsibilities and we a decent leader of sound mind and moral values in the White House.
Give President Obama his destined legacy.
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And yes, it is still very much about the Bush's and Republican Party record. How they literately self destructed and took a lot of American casualties with them.
Two unpaid wars, including one war of convenience to comply with the Saudi King's request to take out Saddam.
Deregulated the banking system to collapse.
Gave billions of dollars back to their handlers, the corporate executives, on the backs of the middle class.
Turning their back on the poor and people who do not look like them with no healthcare and future.
Make a good hard read on the Republican platform and translate that to real deeds and priorities that are not included.
Yes, it is still an accounting on the Bush's failed presidency, which we will be paying for a long, long time.
It is time to change direction back into the real world and President Obama is the only one on the ballot with a sound mind that gets it.
"If there's been one familiar refrain among Republicans during this presidential primary, it's been that the hard-fought battle between Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and other contenders hasn't hurt the party – arguably, it's even strengthened it"
Actually more democrats, republicans and liberals like and will vote for Ron Paul despite the lack of news coverage. They feel that the other GOP candidates are "business as usual" along with Obama. Many have "sworn" to write in RP's name if necessary. Plus they believe that voter fraud is currently going on because they go in groups of over 1000 to listen to Ron Paul, and the others can barely get 100 to show up, and are unclear how to deal with this, yet the "polls" show someone else "wins". They want America to stay under the US Constitution.
INDEPENDENT polls show that Ron Paul is ahead of all other GOP candidates plus ahead of Obama. Those same polls show that 76% of American citizens feel that our nation is heading in the wrong direction. That 19% were undecided. That 72% are upset with the limited news coverage and want something done about it. That 61% feel that conglomerates such as Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Google, etc need to be broken up. 81% feel that "spying, tracking, etc on American citizens is not only illegal but needs to be stopped. 63% felt that doing away with the party system is a good idea. 58% fell that we are experiencing voter fraud.
What I thought was amazing was that 87% of those polled felt that going away from the US Constitution was "Strongly disagreed with".
Those polled were homeowners, renters, working full and parttime, and not working at this time, union members and non union members, more females then males, and some were parents, grandparents, and no children in the household.
Ron Paul is probably crazier than all of them put together.
He will never be elected.
What I have noticed is that even media knows that Ron Paul is a big draw. How, Because they will mention his name in the "title" then have 8 - 11 paragraphs about the other GOP candidates with links and one sentence about Ron Paul with NO LINK. Pretty telling, isn't it? Read it for yourself, I used "bold" where Dr. Ron Paul is mentioned in the article. Like this one in the Washington Times:
KEENE: Ron Paul in the driver's seat
Newt Gingrich might not be happy with the convention he seeks
One thing you have to give Newt Gingrich: The man can turn. On a dime. Before the votes were counted in Mississippi and Alabama on Tuesday, the former House speaker had come up with a whole new rationale for his candidacy. The candidate who after South Carolina suggested that Rick Santorum needed to get out because he was splitting the "anti-Romney" vote in a way that could cost Mr. Gingrich the nomination now suggests that he and the Pennsylvanian are a political tag team working together to keep Mitt Romney from collecting the 1,144 delegates he'll need to wrap up the nomination at the GOP National Convention in Tampa.
Mr. Santorum, who has supplanted Mr. Gingrich as Mr. Romney's main challenger, now looks at the world in much the way Mr. Gingrich did after South Carolina. He hasn't been quite as upfront about suggesting that Mr. Gingrich ought to clear the field for him, but he is neither talking nor acting like a man who sees himself as part of a Gingrich-Santorum tag team. He is talking like a candidate who believes he'll win if he can get a clear shot at the front-runner.
He may or may not be right. A number of pollsters are suggesting that if Mr. Gingrich or Mr. Santorum gets out, the survivor will get 60 percent to 70 percent of the other's vote. If that's true - and it might be in the heavily evangelical South - a one-on-one race with either could embarrass or even cripple Mr. Romney.
However, the same may not hold in other states where voters who prefer either Mr. Gingrich or Mr. Santorum find Mr. Romney an acceptable candidate himself. Some of Mr. Gingrich's supporters will find Mr. Romney more acceptable than Mr. Santorum for practical political reasons and because they, like Mr. Gingrich, seem to think it is Mr. Santorum rather than Mr. Romney who stands between their man and the Republican nomination.
The next major contest will be held Tuesday in Illinois. Mr. Romney is favored there, but not by as much as he might like. Last weekend's WGN/Chicago Tribune poll had Mr. Romney winning over Mr. Santorum 35 percent to 31 percent, with Mr. Gingrich trailing at 12 percent. Mr. Romney has tended to finish strong in Midwestern state primaries, and his ads are just beginning to hit out there, so his total should increase by Tuesday.
Assume for a moment that Mr. Gingrich bails out between now and Tuesday. This isn't likely to happen, but in politics, anything is possible. If two-thirds of the voters now in his camp move over to Mr. Santorum, with the other third going to Mr. Romney, the candidates would be tied at 39-39. At first blush, this seems great news for the Pennsylvanian, but it suggests that nothing else will change between now and Tuesday, that there will be no campaign-generated movement.
But because Mr. Romney's negative ads accentuate the very same things that Mr. Gingrich has been telling voters are wrong with Mr. Santorum, more of those voters than are being predicted could go not to Mr. Santorum, but to Mr. Romney. If Mr. Romney were to beat Mr. Santorum in a head-to-head contest, the outcome very well could provide the Romney campaign with the momentum it has not yet seemed able to generate.
Remember, Mr. Romney will have won in Puerto Rico a few days before and will not be arguing his case to the sizable evangelical blocs that have stood in his way in the South. Illinois is a different place, and the campaign there is about jobs and the economy, Mr. Romney's strongest issues.
So, while Mr. Santorum may not like it, Mr. Gingrich may be right. If he stays in the race, the two of them could deprive Mr. Romney of a clear majority victory even in a state like Illinois. Yet Mr. Romney continues to pile up delegates (neither Mr. Gingrich nor Mr. Santorum is fielding a full slate in Illinois) and while this may be the most boring route to the nomination, it is difficult to see how the Gingrich-Santorum tag team can derail it.
Assume that somehow they do deny Mr. Romney the majority he needs going into Tampa. If the convention deadlocks hopelessly and goes several ballots, all three could get shut out by a compromise candidate. Mr. Romney could break up the tag team by dealing with one of them, or he could open talks with the man who is rarely mentioned.
Ron Paul keeps chugging along like the little engine that could. He won't win and won't be on anyone's ticket, but he could control a block of delegates that could break the deadlock, and one suspects - conspiracy theories aside - that he might find the man from Massachusetts less objectionable than the other two.
This isn't likely to happen, but Mr. Gingrich might want to think about how he'd deal with the libertarian from Texas if he gets the brokered convention he seeks.
David A. Keene is the former chairman of the American Conservative Union and a member of the board of the ACU, the National Rifle Association, the Constitution Project and the Center for the National Interest.
Comments: "The media still seems to think that Ron Paul and his supporters can be manipulated in to supporting a pro-war candidate. It isn't going to happen."
"... is right. Paul is not a pacifist. Paul has said that, if our security is threatened, and Congress declares war, then we go and fight it, and fight to win.
Although it's technically true that the President doesn't have to "sign" a declaration of war, the President, as the Commander in Chief, and certainly control the prosecution of a war. So, if Congress declared a war that the President did not agree with (a preemptive war that had little to do with American security, for instance), the President could presumably frustrate Congress' purpose by not prosecuting the war.
I'm a Paul supporter by the way, and totally agree with Paul's *Constitutional* view of the war powers."
"I'm really embarrassed for the writer of this article and angry that you wasted my time in reading it. Seems to be based on stupid rhetoric by the establishment in denial of the true conservative constitutionalist candidate Ron Paul.Several months of reading and appraising the situation I cant understand why every contributing American would consider any of the other non sustainable platforms. They want to send other people's children to police countries that have nothing to do with US defence, keep spending money that no one can pay back and have a bigger government enslaving the people. Why would anyone want that."
"It's time to start calling out all journalists who misinform about Paul (like saying Romney won the V.I. caucus and Ron Paul won't win) as traitors to the United States."
"sector7 said V.I. caucuses, (Virgin Island) not Virginia. Virginia didn't have caucuses they had a primary. And yes Ron Paul won the Virgin Island caucus but Romney picked up the delegates. The media reported that Romney won the caucuses when he didn't win the actual vote. Yet when Ron Paul employed the same strategy in Iowa, Maine, Colorado and other caucuses of picking up the delegates even without winning the actual vote they did not report him as winning the caucus."
Knine,
Another nice copy and paste, lol. You live in a bubble, you/re delusional. Good luck with all that. You have a rude awaking in Nov, get ready for it.
Reading anything Knine has to say is like listening to a Moonie or some other cultist. They have this strange blind adherence to their master and it's unwavering, no matter how obsurd is sounds to everybody else. Blah, blah, blah, Ron Paul is our savior. Well, thanks, but no thanks. I like to pick and choose my crazy people in government. He's just another Dr. Strangelove.
Ron Paul has some good ideas but he's mostly just f****** crazy.
The GOP party of 2012 is being run by the crazed like Pain, Sanatorium, Newt, Romney etc.
They will lose the House this election. And the Senate and have No chance at the White House.
This is off topic but since the Pa. Governor just signed another voter bill into law I thought it needed said:
"The principle is one person, one vote."
This is the GOP battle cry, they have not got the slightest idea what this means look at how they have conducted their own primaries, in Iowa they lost 8 districts votes and this kind of stuffs goes on and on. In the 2010 voting they closed down voting stations before everyone had a change to vote that wanted to. Look at how the fiasco in Florida with the Bush/Gore campaign went.
They claim it is to protect the Republic, but what about the democracy, the Nation’s constitutional right to vote without obstacles. Look out they are after the college kids, elderly and the minorities next it will be the women we had to fight for our voting rights too. Remember at one time it was only people that owned properties that could vote.
The only voter fraud I see is the GOP suppressing votes even when they run against each other.
I for one say that if there really is voter fraud in this country and it can be proven without a reasonable doubt then Ok let’s do something about it. But do it in a way that leaves all the people the necessary time to get their papers etc. in order, have cameras set up at all the voting stations and then the voters receive a voter ID card but do this in a way that it is done over numerous election periods 2-4 years to keep the psychological effect of it to a minimum.
Not pass a law today and say in 2-6 months if you do not have proper ID you can not vote, this is a form of fraud on a larger scale they are literally controlling who and when people can vote. Tell me how up to 1 million people can get proper ID in a 2-6 month period, it isn’t going to happen, and they know it. This is just for one State and at least 37 States has passed simpler voting laws. The GOP is literally stealing another election.
If you are a republican voter your right are at stake too, if you fell into any of the categories listed above.
Here is a question for the constitutional scholars out there?
If someone votes to pass a bill in their state, and that law is later deemed to be un-constitutional and it is actually considered to be breaking a federal law should the ones that cast their vote to pass it be considered a criminal? How about for the person that signed the bill into law?
It's always interesting that if the President is Republican voter fraud is not an issue but if the President is a Democrat, especially a black one, there's voter fraud at every polling place. The funny part is, they think nobody notices their BS. SURPRISE!!!!! Not only did we notice but we will be sharing that knowledge with everybody. You see, we're on to you people and we have been for quite awhile.
The only voter fraud we've seen lately is during the Republican primaries. Hmmmm, kind of makes you wonder who they're trying to protect us from.
Something I don't understand about the voter ID thing - don't you have to have some sort of ID to register in the first place? Driver's license, SS card, birth cert, proof of address... something? What is so hard about presenting that document again at the polling place?
When I moved to CO, to get a CO driver's license I had to present my out-of-state license, SS card or birth cert, and proof of address. They actually made me leave and come back with proof of address. Two of the above are issued at birth and everyone should have them; if not, you can get a replacement in the mail.
I do want everyone who is eligible to vote to do so, I just fail to see how asking for ID is a problem when the government readily gives ID to everyone.
Seriously, how can any Democrat actually like Obama when he was basically (as far as actual policy) Bush III? Look at his policies and his promises of change and the only real difference is health care. Everything else is a continuation of Bush's policies. He's a phony, people. His rhetoric doesn't match his actions (again with the exception of healthcare) and it all doesn't really matter anyway because the Teaparty, equally phony, didn't stick to their guns and stop the increase of the debt limit when they had the power, finally halting the out of control budget.
Democrat and Republican don't matter because as soon as no investors out there believe that the US will pay back its debt, the gravy train of "free money" will come to an end. Why isn't anyone talking about this before we end up like Greece, whose debt to GDP ration we will be at in 2014?!?!
And you would have us vote for.... Satan ?????? Do not forget those GOP members spent plenty adding to our debt. Bridge to nowhere, two engines for one plane. Shall I go on ?
Complain complain but offer no solutions... friend of Lou Dobbs maybe ?
The reasons you have just given are the reasons we cannnot afford 4 more years of Obama! You mentioned Obama's healthcare as the only exception of what he has done that was good? Actually this Healthcare is a major part of the problem that is contributing to our unsustainable debt. Obama promised this Healthcare would not cost over a trillion, guess what? he was wrong, either he lied or just didn't think this through!. The new updated cost of this healthcare from the CBO is estimated now at 1.7 trillion as people see rises in their premiums before the healthcare is even in effect.
We need someone with true experience in both the private and public sector that knows how to balance a budget. Romney has balanced a budget as Governor with an 85% Democrat legislature and he will know from experience what needs to be done to create jobs (we need someone who is pro-business, not anti-business like Obama! Romney is our best chance to turn this economy around, balance the budget and reduce our deficit!
Dee Patriot,,,And I have not seen ANY ONE of the socialist lib moochers explain how these extra cost over-runs will be paid for! Possibly "oBAMAS stash? What is the chance he will put any of that 1 billion campaign fund into it?
Thunder,
Go to the CBO, even with estimated cost over-runs, the CBO says the Healthcare Affordable Act will still cut the deficit. Another distortion by Fox News of the truth.
Topher, you made one correct statement, we still are living under Bush's Tax Cuts, and ONLY BECAUSE OF THE GOP, after the elections in Nov, everyone over 250,000 will get the Tax increase that every economist says needs to be done. President Obama cannot write and pass his own legislation. A little refresher, the Bush Tax cuts were suppose to be temporary, lol. If the GOP had its way they would even take the cuts deeper, Mitt Romney will actually raise taxes for Americans who make less than 30.000 a year and give millionaires a bigger tax cut. Wise up people.
I've been saying this for months. Obama and Hillary - most Democrats were extremely comfortable with either candidate, but preferred one over the other. During the primary season, they both had very high favorability ratings among voters (I DISTINCTLY remember this). The HUGE difference is that the GOP candidates are, at best, liked by 40% of their voters with many Republican voters 50% and above "preferring somebody else" or "unhappy with choices" or "wishing somebody else would get in". Personally, I think the GOP always compares their candidates to the highly idealized ghost of Reagan. Even so, there is a massive schism in that party. The establishment, moderate Rockefeller Republicans like Romney for his experience and business credentials, and the South and Mid West want a social conservative who will ban porn, gay marriage, and legislate morality. HUGE difference with '08 Democratic primary.
None of these differences in favorability numbers will matter when Romney will be nominated. Once Romney is the Republican nominee, his numbers will eventually rise and all Republicans, including the far right social conservatives, and most Independents will unify and support him against Barack Obama. Once this primary season is over, you will see high enthusiasm for the Republican party whose number one purpose is unseating Obama.
Really, Dee? Do you have any evidence to support your predictions or is that what the voices are telling you?
I guess you will have to see for yourself won't you? I know enough about history and read enough to see what motivates people to vote. I will tell you one thing, 8.3% unemploymnet and 1.3 trillion deficit per year will not motivate a second term for Obama for sure. All you have to know is the sour mood of this country to know that people don't want 4 more years of what they are getting, which is nothing from Obama. If Obama continues to go on his path up until the election, he will be thrown out and if you think any Republican, even the far right evangelicals and far right social conservatives, the few groups Romney has had problems with will vote for Obama this November, you are dreaming. They will all be running to the polls along with most Independents to vote for Romney if it means getting rid of Obama. If you believe otherwise, so be it for you.
For all your whining, Dee, it is a fact that the turnout among Republicans during the hotly contested primaries has been dismal at best and it seems much more likely that Romney will not inspire very many GOP voters to make an effort to go to the polls in November. With the Republican electorate staying home, President Obama will win virtually by default in November.
Read 'em and weep.
sailcat,,,I,m not a romney fan, but if he is the GOP candidate, I will support him anyway I can to get this failed president and ideas back to chicago where he belongs!
Sailcat, Ok for you if that is what you think! You claim turnout among republicans are low. Well, this is a Primary. Don't expect turnout to be great, they never are. Why don't you look at the past primaries from Democrats, I am sure turnout is very similar. It is in the general election in which you see enthusiam and there will be among all Republicans. I assure you, especially if Obama continues to go down the same path up until the election, there will be not one Republican that will stay home and allow Obama to run away with the election. If you think Romney doesn't inspire voters, this will not be a personality contest, voters will be inspired by Romney because they know he has the private and public sector experience that is needed to get this country moving in the right direction. Inspiration and popularity with the people surely did not work with Obama. It got them nothing!! People want better, they deserve better!
sailcat,,,did you forget the last election when you libs lost the house? Now with a record, your prophet oBAMA and no matter how much these fake news outlets try to hide it, more of his status ideas and chicago thug ways will surface as the everyday more truth is coming out on this "king that has no clothes"! You already have multible vetreans like barney deepthroat franks bailing because he even knows HE CAN NOT WIN! Obama will be fired as the democrats will lose the senate also.
The GOP is losing the November election in the primaries. The religious bickering, the shameless gaffes, the lack of ideas and a lack of legitimate policies being expressed, and the embarrassing antics of the challengers has caused the GOP electorate to turn away from these incompetent wannabes. This is the source of the apathy of the electorate for the primaries. Additionally, the GOP is alienating important voter blocs, including women, union workers, minorities, seniors, and moderates. The GOP is a party of exclusion, not inclusion, and that is not a strategy that wins elections.
The bottom line is the voters who traditionally support Republican candidates are staying away, and important voter blocs upon whom political parties depend are being pushed away by the GOP through its hateful rhetoric.
You can make all the shrill claims you want to, thunder, but the polls, the American people, and the GOP's own disconnected wannabe candidates disagree with you. President Obama will be reelected whether you like it or not.
Just keep that head in the sand sailcat!
How is that, thunder? It is indisputable that the GOP primary race has been a public disaster. It is indisputable that the turnout of registered voters in the primaries has been extremely low. It is indisputable that there have been blocs of voters who have been alienated by the GOP and its minions; women, minorities, union workers...the polls clearly show that, after three or four months of hard campaigning by the GOP hopefuls, that President Obama still leads them, although he has been doing very little formal campaigning himself. What other conclusion can a reasonable person draw than the GOP is failing?
I am comfortable in saying Obama will win in November. If anyone has his head in the sand, thunder, it is you. See you the morning after the election and don't forget to bring plenty of tissues because you will be needing them.
Thunder,
The reason 2010 lost the House was the backlash of the bigotted, racists pushing the racist Tea-tards into office as the last vestige of power the right had. Well, how has that worked out for the country? The House has YET to offer ANY jobs bill, or true economic plan outside of the Treasonous Ryan stupidity that the ME-First party all embraced, but the rest of the country said WTF?
Your political extremes is what has cost you your party. It will crumble, mark my words. Read my other post where I put it together for you. You will be crying in your hankie for weeks to come after November. I will be laughing. You fools are too much. We can't make this sh|t up. Man you guys (cause there are no women, and DON'T even point to the empty pants suit from Wasila) are deranged if you truly think the people will come around to a 1950 mentality. Even pulling off 9/11 could not do the trick like the composers of The Project For A New American Century planned. Oh you tools are gonna have sore butts. And then we will h@ng the tards for treason, so you have a nice time circle-jerking with your brethern Whitewing friends.
Frothy cracks me up. He gives sweater vests a bad name, and I own a few sweater vests. Now I have to burn them Damn.
yes the only reason the democrats lost the mid-term was because of racism....because independents and republicans were racist for not backing obama.
thats it.
With a careful change of party names, and the exchange of issue; slavery for no minimum wage. The Civil War its causes and effects, are really too close to the narrative for the party of the no nothing, not ever. The Civil War limited American Success, for the next 150 years, and today threatens America’s future. How so? Because it repeats, the same old, same old selfish evil, and darkens every hope in everyone, child, woman and man; replacing it with anger, and violence again reason, murdering the light of the Sun with the abomination of every dark thought. If we remain silent the tide of darkness will drown us the darkness of evil. Change, fight for hope, return hate with earnest solutions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
They will not listen they do not know how, they will not listen now.
The difference is that in '08 you had two liberals running against each other - this time you have a right-wing kook (Santorum) running against a moderate (which this country needs more of - moderation) Romney.
I thought Romney claimed to be,"severely conservative". Please don't tell me he lied, again! lol
dre,,,sorry to tell you but it is your prophet hussain oBAMA that has the record for telling lies! Hell, it would be a news headline if he told the truth just once! Well, maybe not on msDNC!
Do not paint me with your broad brush yet, I was merely commenting on the previous posters remarks about Romney being a moderate contrary to his own words.
dre,,,sorry!
I for one would like to see a "real" convention, meaning that I hope no one has the 14xx votes to be the nominee. A real education in the process of choosing a Presidential candidate rather than a "mandate". This is the political process at its best.
I also believe that the primary election should be held the same day in all 50 states. I used to live in PA where by the time May rolled around, the deal was already sealed. Now I live in SC where we are "the first in the South" when it comes to voting.
The bushes and cheney are so tied to the mid east oil cartel through the carlyle group, doesn't anyone remember bush walking to the white house holding hands with the arab oil sheiks,what did you think that was a gay rights parade.That was bush selling us out to opec and cheney with his secret energy policy meetings the nations energy policy was so secret we weren't even allowed to know who attended those meeting.Haliburton and friends.I'm an independant voter in Obama's camp cheering him on for new sources of renewable energy,and I'll see you at the pols. God bless and help America.
vespabob,,,do you mean when gas was between $1-$1.50 a gallon? How is that hope and change doing for ya buddy?
BOb, Go ahead and praise Obama for his alternative energy plans as the price of gas goes higher and higher. I wonder how the people like it that Obama and the Secretary Chu admit they want to keep oil prices high in order to ween people off fossil fuels. People are already feeling resentment and blaming Obama for handling of gas prices (have you seen the polls in how Obama is handling gas prices?) He can convince people all he wants that he has no control of gas prices, people won't care when the have to go to the pump, especially during these hard times, they will blame him. And people aren't that stupid to sit around and wait for something like "algae" and whatever else to save them from the pumps. C'mon, am I the only one that finds this laughable??
Thunder,
Gas was 1.50 a gallon when Bush took office, and reached over 4.00 a gallon at the end of his second term. After the economy collapsed, DEMAND was so low gas prices dropped to 1.79 a gallon when President Obama took office. Demand has steadily increased since the economy has gotten stronger and prices have returned to Bush era prices.
The creator of the Tea Party the Koch Bros, are also the creator and one of the biggest player in Oil speculation, The biggest player is Goldman Sachs, who have contributed to Mitt Romney 8 to 1 so far in this Presidential election, LOL.
Who is not surprised gas prices are rising to quickly in with President Obama going for his second term. Shocker LOL. This was predictable the day after President Obama took office, LOL
Open your eyes Thunder, you might see the forest for the trees.
http://zfacts.com/p/196.html Check out some facts and look at the graphs on price and oil production and see how your buddy Bush stacks up, NOT TO GOOD!!
pdug,,,, better quit getting your info from sargent "slut" shultz and rick madcow! $4 a gallon? Another complete lie that we can expect from any oBAMAzombie! Look at the price now with no relief in sight as the count is 14 plus the amount of "green job companies" have failed with billions and billions of taxpayers money for your prophet oBAMA's campaign slush funds! After a cost of 6 million average per tempory job, on the behalf of our children/grandchildren, thank you for the burden!
Thunder,
Did you look at the Graphs I sent you!!! Not!!! You are not worth my time. You have to much HATE, don't care about facts, and you are the real brain dead zombie. Do some research instead of being a human Parrot for Rush, Glenn and Fox news, spilling their talking memo's.
You don't want to know the truth. you just want the HATE and bury your head in the sand. Ignorance and arrogance is the worst possible combination to have any discussion with, and you Sir fit that bill.
In July 2008 when GW was president, gas hit $4.34/gal. Fox News talking heads immediately rushed to his defense with variations on this one there; i.e. THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE PRICE OF GAS.
DO SOME RESEARCH THUNDER!!!!!! You are not looking to credible.
Another lib LIE! You sent nothing and maybe you should check post #158 for a verifacation libtard!
THUNDER,During an hurricane evacuation 4.65 cents for gas under Bush,from La. resident. Go figure we produce oil and gas in our state,but gas is still high. Why, because speculators control prices. PD'S right, do some research. OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 J-MAL
I guess the difference being with Clinton and Obama you knew history would be made no matter who won.The country also knew it was time to get rid of Bush.The problem with the republicans running in this primary is you know no matter who wins all you get is another old white guy with the same ideas that got us into this mess.
What a stupid comment. Too bad Mitt Romney isn't black or female. What a shame! He won't make history therefore will be a lousy president I guess? This is so beyond ridiculous!!!
I'm really glad I am not one of you pseudo liberals because not only do independents, conservatives and republicans in general think you are clueless but your own democrat part thinks so as well.
I keep reading that people do not want to end up like Greece:
The Top 1% wants what is happening in Greece to happen here, because it is the banks and the top 1% running the show over there, it is what they are doing to Greece that is causing it, giving all to the top 1 % and cutting everything from the middle class and poor, cutting wages, raising taxes on the poor making students pay more for school, why do you think they are protesting. It is called austerity
Austerity means:
Enforced thrift:
Economics thrift imposed as government policy, with restricted access to or availability of consumer goods
Severity or Plainness:
Severity of discipline, regime, expression, or design
Economy Measures:
A saving, economy, or act of self-denial, especially in respect of something regarded as a luxury
Now you do not really think it is the top 1% in this country or Greece that is self-denying themselves of anything do you. No it is the country and the people that are suffering.
President Obama no matter what you have heard some say is trying his best to keep what is happening in Greece from happening here, and the top 1% and most of the GOP on the hill and the Republican Governor are trying their best to keep President Obama from achieving this.
If the GOP gets this election everything the State GOP Governors has passed will become Federal Law
Well it looks like the GOP has run the gamut! Collective bargaining, removing pensions, workers rights, cutting money from schools, firemen, policemen health care, elderly etc. and giving more to top 1%, trying to put bills through to segregate schools, getting rid of the post offices, eliminate Women rights, eliminate minimum wages, going after food stamps, Medicaid, wants to eliminate the EPA, passing laws to make it harder for some people to vote, eliminate SSI and Medicare and many other things.
ranmarie, ya forget the part about "making the elderly eat dog food "or "black churches will burn" or "they will make us breathe dirty air and drink dirty water", or "they will build a moat around our country and put crocks in them", or they will shove grandma off a cliff in her wheelchair " or the other many fearmongering LIES you continue to spew while it is your party that wants to control every single aspect of our lives! Tell us what to drive , where not to go on vacation, what to light our house's with, what insurance to but, what kind of clown car to drive, inspect the lunch we pack for our children for school, etc,etc! your prophet hussain oBAMA has set the record on applieing rescrictions and regulations on us, appointing "czars" in the place of cabinet members that would make the red Russains proud, and bypassing or completely ignoreing the wonderfull document we call the Constitution for his socialistic status moocher ways! No oBAMA or socialist mooching lib democrats in 2012!
Thunder,
I should have looked at more of your post's before I wasted my time responding to you. Wow you are filled with some hate and not to smart. You are the epitome of Ignorance and Arrogance!!
Racism is a powerful emotion, it makes you DEVOID of commonsense, decency, and reality.
Racist? I'am black you dillrod! So that means if you disagree with me,,,You are the racist!!! That is the way you libtards see it I guess!
LOL, That's Funny!!!! Oh, I see you are the Dave Chappelle character, Clayton Bigsby, THE BLACK BLIND WHITE SUPREMACIST !!! LOL
I guess Herman Cain is white too! You are a moron and by the picture, ya need a shave too!,,,,, Nice dog!
Uncle Cain
Got $9 Million Dollars
Of Replican/T-bag money (in the Bank)
Money not spent on campaign when he put the campaign on hold.
On Hold for the $9 Million Dollars of Matching Funds
Do not care about his Color.
Just know he is a hell of a lot smarter than the replican/t-bag folks.
All the other replican candidates are just waiting for that government give-away called Campaign Matching Funds
They Are So Conservative!!
ranmarie
I will have to say one good thing about you. You just crammed 50 pounds of BS into a 10 pound bag. The part of your post that is not an exaggeration is an outright lie.
On January 20, 2009, when Mr. Obama was inaugurated, the average price of gasoline was $1.84 per gallon and the price of oil was about $39 for a 42-gallon barrel.
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!
Please inform the people
When the price first hit $4 under Bushie2/Chinny
Anyone can Google Gasoline Prices
And check where this Cracker is coming from
Republican Party
Now the replican/t-bagger party
Plays to the lowest common denominator
To make un-educated red necks and christians believe they represent them ( they need their votes and their the easiest to get)
They represent Banks, Big Oil, Corporations and nearly drove this country off a cliff in 1929.
In 2008 they nearly did it again. Stock Market Collapse and Banking Crisis where bushie2/chinny had to pump 700 Billion Dollars into the Stock Market and Banks called Tarp Funds.
The replicans/t-baggers think they will control this country thru the military when collapse does happen.
They are Fascists. Everyone will have a job which will pay for food and things. The luxury items will go to replicans who will then be rid of t-baggers (their usefulness expired)
We can fight big wars with all the man-power not used in manufactoring.
Ought to write a book.
rogerbeard,,,would rather be a teabagger then a teabaggie like yourself! Why is it your prophet foodstamp oBAMA's crew flock to the projects for voter registrations? How many projects Bush funded went bankrupt within 2 years like oBAMA's "green job companies(14 plus) at a cost of billions? 6 trillion since hussain oBAMA was elected added to our debt while he can joke about "shovel ready jobs"! This puke of a president and fake news outlets are setting their sight on the "stupid people" like yourself that pee on your head and tell you it is raining! He cannot even figure the stats the same way it has been done for the last 50 years or it would show even more of this socialist's failures! He has to come up with more jargen like " saved or created" which oBAMAzombies suck right into! Change,,cHHAAANNNNGGGGGEEEEE! What a bafoon!
Sh-t for brains
dunderhead
the problems began when bushie2/chinny did not Fund Anything they started!!!
two wars
Medicare Part D
Tax breaks for everyone including the top 1% till 2010
Two stimulus checks to every tax-payer in U.S (except for me and my sons since my wife/their mother is Honduranean)
With money directly borrowed from China and directly passed out to tax-payers
2007 and 2008 Cash give-aways with borrowed money. A real replican
How is the trailer-park
still working the blogs for briteFahrt?
HAHAHA,
This GOP hate fest the same as Obama-Clinton HAHAHAHA.
The GOP, in their total me-first mentality will NEVER be able to repair the schism that continues everyday between Romney (Social liberals/fiscal conservatives-really make believe Republicans), Santorum, (Radical-American Taliban pious, religious right, on their last gasp of political effectiveness), and Gingrich (the standard bearer of the inside the beltway, Good-Boys-Club of failed politics.) They will tear the "party" into three and it will be glorious to watch the black, vile hate spill out when whoever wins the nomination, only to lose the support of the other factions, and consequently the general election, and House and Senate. The GOP are doomed and they have been since the final desperate act they showed in picking the Winner from Wasila as the ultimate empty suit for VP back in 2008. They have nothing, offer nothing, and have no ability to conjure up a vision for the future, because all they see if their hayday of the past, which was post WWII Eisenhower...but yet they never listened to his warnings, and the party has gone to cr@p.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
GOPARGREAT,,, The "GOP is doomed"? Ya kinda sound like that IDIOT Karvel libtard that wrote the book about the republican party will be dead for at least 40 years! That was just before the GOP trounced the socialist lib moocher democrats and took over the house by a clear and ass kicking margin last election! Wait till 2012! No puke oBAMA and socialist lib moochers in 2012!
Thunder,
I love how you LIKE your own posts, LOL.
Here is some information about research that has been done about people like you. It will help you understand how ridiculous your posts appear to everyone else besides yourself. The reason you are the only one to LIKE your posts. lol
http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/2187-incompetent-people-ignorant.html
Here is a quote from the article, you need to read this, describes you perfectly!
"To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it. Similarly, unfunny people don't have a good enough sense of humor to tell."
PDug19
Dunderhead is still trying to figure out
What is the lowest common denominator ??
He has no future as the replicans will throw him and his kind away
after their thru with them
it is not a math question as I knew that would be way out for you to come up with the answer for one of those
Rogerbeard,
Well they have already thrown away , Women, Blacks, Hispanics, Cops, firefifarghters, Teachers, Unions, Gays.
The only groups the GOP has left is the RICH, extreme Far Right Tea Baggers, Evangelicals, Morons, and the Uneducated. The GOP will do their best to keep these groups in the same status they currently enjoy.!
Except for the RICH who truly are being helped by the GOP the rest of this group don't know they are just being USED and ABUSED,!
PDug19
I agree
Unfortunately they multiply and intelligent argument has no affect
christianity and conservatism
promise them anything
and take their money and run
It is the Republican way, baffle us with a mountain of bull sh't, Republican facts are always "we blame liberals and Obama for this, this, this and this"..., but where are the true verifiable facts, not something you are placing blame for....come on guys, surely you can do better than that. Better yet show us an example of anything the Republican party has done for the nation over the past 3 years that does not include being the best economic terrorist they could possibly be. Give us the Republican plans and solutions and don't forget those accomplishments, and I am not referring to defending the top 1% while they attack the middle class, teachers, firefighters, police, blue collar workers and unions, women, Hispanics and minorities , where does it end....oh you get the picture ;)
Great job guys... keep up the good work, I give you 3 thumbs up on the best republican performance and the most likely to get knocked into extinction in November. ;)
It's just laughable when you look at the "Republican facts", I would equate it to - "the world is round and we blame Obama and Liberals for that"...ah ha, now go verify that you delusional Liberals.
;)
Bin Laden Quote:
9/10/07 Bin
Laden's Speech 9/7 "Message to the American People" Commentary --his anti corporation rhetoric shows continued Marxist
influence in Muslim world, blaming corporations for wars. (Actually American
oil companies have lost out in Central Asia, because of the war, while others
fear its world wide anti-American legacy--the military industrial complex
companies & oil producers do benefit, but not most businesses, Ed)
Conservative Code Word (Whites Male Power Only)
Blame Rush L. first. Now R. Santorum
Secret is OUT
Bush and Republican thirst for power gave us Big Oil policies
by going to made-up war, outsourced jobs for profit, damn near broke the nation
and we are still feeling the effects
Truth will not be DENIED - According our The Lord and Savior
- Jesus Christ
Conservative = White Rights (Only)
They are Exposing themselves
Mission - Reverse civil rights - social programs - equality
- Control Laws - Separate from others - Women No count -Preach Doom & Gloom
- start wars
WILL NOT HELP THE NATION (NO WAY NO HOW)
For the sole purpose of re-establishing White Power as Jim
Crowe Laws did in the past - Protect White Rights at all cost
How - Telling people the Liberal Media is against
Conservative by reporting facts - Everybody else is foreigners to America -
Using the language of Lincoln, The US Constitution as designed only for
Conservative Right interpretation
Undermine the Government authority through corporate
influence and legislation by placing only “Conservative” lawmakers in key
positions - Transparency is exposing the practice - Internet access has that
affect - Truth will be Exposed. (God)
People of color has immoral values according to White American
ancestry (Not All)
Laws of equality is eroding society - US Society should not
have Government intervention - State Governance is preferred by regional
authority (Jim Crowe) as led by Corporate Sponsers
Women serve as one purpose only (over the top)
Conservative extreme right activist have hijacked civil
discourse to an underlining war on all Americans not holding the views of
closet bigots, racial disdainers, power hungry influencers under the disguise
of Religious freedoms according to the Conservative Christian Right. Makes one
wonder what God they are worshipping.
Opinions are one thing but one answer/solution to all
problems is self delusional at best.
Rush Limbaugh has unleashed an unintentional backlash of
those views. The conservative coded messaging system is now threatened from
within.
And NO I do not want to justify any of your beliefs.
You can educate yourself by reading facts from other
sources. You would think we should have moved past this relic thinking in 2012 from
the nation’s own history of divisive practices.
Read: Dear White America by Tim Wise
America is a team of people and the President the coach.
Sideline haters are not welcomed.
Conservative is now a bad word for the rest of us (Just
saying)
WTFHAPPENED
liberalism will mark the bankruptcy of America.
all you got to do is read your bible to see there is something wrong with what they call christian values
im a follower of the word . jesus said not to hoard weath , for it belongs to god , not you !!
dont what until tomorrow with what you can do today, for you are not promest tomorrow .
there is a hole lot more that can be directed at them . they have a love of money and that is all they care about .
This from probably one of the most infamous democrats in America:
I was out@!$%#ed by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will never be out@!$%#ed again.
Many of our misinformed liberals are trying to convince any of you that are too young to remember that it was the republicans that were the racists and with good reason. The democrats have manipulated the poor for years by feeding them just enough to survive yet not enough to make them fat and lazy. And it has been going on for a very long time.
Chedk out the New York Draft riots
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/317749.html
Here's a Republican that would most likely post here:
This isn't the first time Tea Party leaders have made the news for creating an embarrassing scandal.
Dale Robertson, one of the founders of the Tea Party who operates Teaparty.org was also involved in a little public scandal not long ago as can be seen here:
http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader
This nicely illustrates the hatred, intolerance, and bigotry of the Tea Party and its leaders. Why would anyone admire and support a movement composed of such people?
This isn't the liberals put their spin on something in such a way as to completely change the meaning of the message.
The message is the Tea Party is led by rapists and racists. Are your reading comprehension skill really that bad?
I know what your message is, I have no problem there. What I'm saying is that you are a purposeful and bigoted liar.
C'mon, Rick, your kind doesn't have to avoid the facts. You can't go any lower. The evidence is against you.
Once again you have proven your ignorance. I could go lower by calling myself a liberal.
Disregarding for the moment your childish rejoinder, the facts and the evidence do not support your untenable position.
Fail yet again, Rick.
Buch of $5 words to say basically nothing. Typical liberal, spending other's money but I'm glad you thought my reply was witty.
But I have to say that calling it a "childish" rejoinder may be a bit of an oxymoron. I would suggest that in the future when you use your thesaurus that you check the meaning of the words before you use them. Although you may have the definition correct you are pretty much screwing up on the usage.
Poor Ricky.
The use of the word rejoinder is correct because it means, "a reply or response to a question or remark", while childish obviously refers to you. It is not an oxymoron but, rather, it is a bon mot.
Embarrassing yourself must be your hobby, right?
I stick by my advice to be more careful with the thesaurus on your computer:
re·join·der/riˈjoindər/
Noun:
I would say sailcat is probably a 13 year old boy that wants t impress his teacher.
So now you want to compare dictionaries? Rick, there are good reasons to explain why no one on this site respects you and your childish whining is just one of them.
Give it up.
Obama, is in Atlanta on a fund raiser. Some $30,000 a plate deal with some gangster rappers or whatever they call themselves? A friend, I know does security for Ceasar Odummass when he comes to Atlanta. They hate it every time he comes there. His arrogance is overwhelming. He flies down there on Air Force One on taxpayers dollars, at the tune of $200,000 per hour just for Airforce One operation. Then there are also six cars delivered, plus hundreds of his entourge to guard him, plus staff.$$$$$$$$$$$$$. The media told you he quit smoking? "NOT". they say he smokes one right after another. Probably, when you a phony Marxist trying to cover all your lies, you tend to be a little on edge.
There really is a recovery going on. My company is hiring, when it hasn't been for a couple of years. There are more helped wanted ads in my local paper during a weekday than there used to be for Sunday for a couple of years. That's not perception, that's reality.
Sorry that something nice is happening out here in our economy, guys. I know it sucks to see our country suceed. Why do you hate it so much?
They've been taking notes from bin laden, if we had not killed him they would be begging him to sign up.
They are the party of economic terrorism.