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Subscribe to RSSTOLEDO, Ohio -- In the White House's most aggressive singling out of its Republican rivals to date, Vice President Joe Biden slammed Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum by name during his first public campaign event of the 2012 cycle.
Addressing more than 500 union members and supporters at United Auto Workers Local 12 here, Biden touted the administration's backing of the auto industry bailout, saying that the GOP presidential candidates were "dead wrong" in their opposition to the measure.
"Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich," he said. "These guys have a fundamentally different economic philosophy than we do."
He specifically noted Romney's 2008 op-ed entitled "Let Detroit go bankrupt" -- greeted with raucous boos -- as well as Gingrich's labeling of the bailout as a "mistake," and Santorum's statement that the measure catered to Obama's political interests.
"Look, I want to tell you what's real bankruptcy," the vice president said. "The economic theories of Gingrich, Santorum, and Romney. They are bankrupt."
Biden dismissed as inaccurate the Republican sentiment that, without government intervention, the private sector would have stepped in to the void to aid the ailing automotive sector. With a particular tweak at Romney, Biden noted that Bain Capital -- the company that Romney once led -- declined an offer from the President's Auto Task Force to invest in GM's European operations.
In contrast, he said the president showed his "spine of steel" by backing the financial rescue of an "iconic industry America invented."
In his characteristic booming voice, Biden stated at the beginning of his remarks, "We bet on American ingenuity; we bet on you; and we won!"
The top surrogate's utterance of the candidates' names is a departure from the president's own rhetoric. The White House has largely avoided specific mention of any of the candidates, even as the DNC maintains a sharp focus on delegate-frontrunner Romney.
The vice president also argued that Democrats represent economic fairness in comparison to what he described as crony-embracing Republicans.
"Stated simply, we're about promoting the private sector," he said. "They're about protecting the privileged sector."
Biden was introduced by Rep. Marcy Kaptur, who just defeated fellow Democrat Dennis Kucinich in a redistricting-fueled primary contest. The event had a notably political feel, with chants of, "Four more years!" and, "Go, Joe, go!" reverberating from the sign-wielding crowd.
This was not Biden's first visit to UAW Local 12; he visited the same venue in October 2010 to stump for then-Gov. Ted Strickland.
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YOU go Joe!
Kick ass & name names...
The top surrogate's utterance of the candidates' names is a departure from the president's own rhetoric. The White House has largely avoided specific mention of any of the candidates, even as the DNC maintains a sharp focus on delegate-frontrunner Romney.
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Too bad for the Dems, that consider Joe "Gaffe" Biden their 2012 pit bull, but. he is actually a French toy poodle that will only put Barry's foot in his own mouth. I'm sure the Republican's will welcome Barry letting "Gaffe" off his leash, so he can sh!t and piss wherever he wants.
Bo would be a better surrogate, and a better VP.
Romney just about has his own gaffe-o-meter pegged. Romney even write his gaffes out and has them published as an op-ed. Every time Mitt starts with the I am a job creator BS he will be reminded of Let Detroit go Bankrupt, he can not say they took my words out of context or I misspoke because he proudly had one of his biggest gaffes published as his own self stated opinion.
Hooray for VP Biden **stands and applauds**
Glad to see him come out swinging to speak for the administration and its accomplishments. From what I have read, Biden has been extremely effective in helping the President and I'm glad to see him come out on the offensive.
Fired Up and Ready to Go!!
Actually most people were for Auto idustry getting help. I have a big problem with the way GM was handled though. It would have been nice if it was a loan that GM could pay off and save face with taxpayers instead of the government taking control of the company and giving it the UAW in a transparent political move. By doing so bankruptcy laws were turned upside down, the bondholders got screwed and General Motors became Government Motors.
I'm with you Mr.V.P.,The TEAtarded repuklicans have no IDEAS when it comes to helping the working CLASS,just ask Mr.MITTENS or Newt or Ayatollah Sanatorium,its more of the same LAMB ass programs that failed with the R.R.& G.W.B. administrations.No regulation, big tax cuts, unfunded drug plan, unfunded wars, no bid contracts etc,etc............VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRAT FOR OUR FUTURE !! OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!!!!! HILLARY2016
Ford Motor Company already had their turnaround plan in action, long-term finacing in place and model changes in progress before Obama was elected. Alan Mulally gets credit for this achievement. They were not bailed out by federal money.
Gm was bailed-out, GM bondholders were screwed by the Obama administration, avoiding asset liquidation rules and his union buddies' pension plans were given preference in violation of normal bankruptcy law. Yes, GM went bankrupt. Contrary to popular notions, GM has NOT paid back all the money yet and their stock is now worth substantially less than what our government has invested in it.
Chrysler has had its problems, went bankrupt in spite of bailout, and is now controlled by Fiat who has the major stake.
BIDEN IS MERELY PANDERING TO THE UNIONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oooh goody! Tell it like it is Joe Biden!
Obama / Biden 2012
Ford is a very bad comparison. It was easy for them as the majority of the voting stock is owned by the Fords... so they could react much differently than GM. They were also a much smaller company...
I'm surprised O'Biden can remember his name, let alone their names. What a dope.
"You CANNOT go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent ... I'm not joking."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU
John-2032 that's a mighty fine come back.Ms.Palin I can see RUSSIA from back yard,yeah she would set a new standard for the office of V.P..This job is to hard. I want to go home,darn it I quit. You BETCHA,the lame stream media made me do it.Todd ,Todd, DAMIT Todd, get in here,I need a break,where is that LOSER Mc-CAIN.IF only???????????????
@Kevin Bitz #1.8,
Nice attempted distortion by you, but the facts remain .... Ford Motor Company's turnaround was in progress BEFORE Obama was elected. they are considered one of the "Big Three" so please don't try to rationalize their "size". Libtards everywhere are trying to desperately give Obama credit for "saving" the auto industry, and Ford Motor Company is a significant member of the U.S. auto industry.
I noticed you didn't have the guts to try and respond to comments about the GM union bailout or Chrysler's bankruptcy. Your reply is an epic failure.
"His mom lived in Long Island for ten years or so. God rest her soul. And- although, she's- wait- your mom's still- your mom's still alive. Your dad passed. God bless her soul." --Joe Biden, on the mother of Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who is very much alive, Washington, D.C., March 17, 2010
"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened." –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets were in use at that time, interview with Katie Couric, Sept. 22, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnKcRo8DNYY
Please, Joe - GO! (and take 'feidty' with you).
Joe is a joke , he is even worst than Quayle
"If we do everything right( referring to porkimulus), if we do it with absolute certainty, there's
still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."
— Joe Biden, speaking to members of the House Democratic caucus who were
gathered in Williamsburg, Va., for their annual retreat
Go Joe GO!!!!!!!!!
GM still owes the country billions that will never be repaid. The unions made out like bandits during the auto bailout, so I guess we know why it was done. But Ford didn't take a dime, and they are still the best US auto maker by far. I guess when you make a good product, control your bottom line, you can make money without government involvement. Ford is the example of what could have been, instead we get the 40 mile per charge Chevy Volt for 47,000.00 with 10,000.00 tax break. Yeah, this is exactly what this country needed to do with a trillion dollars borrowed from China.
False. A single look at the President's own campaign site (http://www.attackwatch.com/) will tell you otherwise.
Chrysler already repaid all its money. GM has repaid two thirds of its money, and continues to make profits every year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Asset_Relief_Program#Participants). What evidence do you have that it will never pay back its dept?
What evidence do you have of this?
Nope, GM remains the biggest, not only i the US, but in the world.
I do not think you understand how a hybrid is supposed to work.
the auto industry GM and or Chrystler aren't any better off now than they were when they received the bailout.
they are doing the same things the same way and will eventually end up with the same results.
all obama did was to postpone the inevitable.
YOU GET WHAT??????????
Cost to operate a Chevy Volt
Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's "Follow the Money")
test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.
For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25
miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran
on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16
kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to
drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you
have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average
speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of
electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.
The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked
up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons)
$1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to
operate the Volt using the battery.
Compare this to a similar size car equipped with only a 4 cylinder
gasoline engine that gets 32 mpg. $3.49 per gallon divided by 32 mpg =
$0.11 per mile.
The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs
$46,000.
So Obama wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that costs more
that 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.
REALLY?
No wonder GM is having trouble selling the Volt !
Chevy Volt-do you smell something?
The Volt commercial that obama doesn’t like.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that-gm-probably-doesnt-like/
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Bloggers proliferate on campaign payrolls
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How To Become Democrat Blogger!
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Thanks honest jo
I don't think people realize that not only political campaigners hire bloggers so do corporations and lobbyists
Not all people here are sharing there thoughts with you.
Some are here earning a paycheck.
Maybe you?
@ Mr. Anon -
GM may be the biggest but that doesn't necessarily mean they are the best. I'm not much of a Ford guy but their vehicles are pretty darn sturdy.
(dis) Honest Joe:
Your argument is too late. America perceives GM's success as an Obama success. Why? Mostly because the GOP opposed it with Romney saying reckless things like let Detroit go bankrupt. The GOP made it about government ownership, while Obama made it about JOBS and faith in American industry.
Your trying to re-litigate it while the rest of us are celebrating the 100,000 + jobs it saved. The GOP has lost this issue. And with it the electoral votes in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin.
I find it amusing how Dishonest Joe rails against the Chevy Volt. It could be enlightening to him to know that it took DECADES to get a nuclear power plant to make more energy than it took to create it. Billions were sunk into its development. Now it is an alternative form of energy.
The President is right, you guys ARE the Flat Earth Society. I leave you with this simple fact:
If we drilled EVERY potential US oil field, we could at best possess 2% of the World's energy. We consume 20%. Drilling will NOT close that gap...ever. We will have to develop other alternative energies. Oil drilling, yes, but also Natural Gas, Solar, Wind, bio-fuels, electric.
The energy future is not oil. Get used to that.
Hey.. it's "the president", unless you are calling him President Obama. Better use those two words together while you can....
4 more years...How does that sound a**hole ??
So to reply as high in this screwed up commentary as possible, I land here. This government bailout cost the majority of the autoworkers by using their pension funds and savings to finance this government plan. It's for sure you'll not be seeing any of these voters voting Democrat in the general election this time around.
What planet do you live on? They have their jobs, homes, healthcare and a new shot at a dignified retirement and you believe they'll forget where that came from? LOL
What was the Price of Gas before & after Darth Cheneys Secret Energy Policy took place?
Oh BTW, has any of that Iraqi Oil been shipped to America"Free of Charge"?
Any Takers?
Occupy SoggyBottom
Gas in 2009 - $1.79 / gallon. Gas now - $3.98 (today). U3 unemployment 15%, New debt since 2009 - $5 TRILLION, and growing. Bash Bush all you want - the economy is going to be the issue. Free Iraqi oil - what a dope!
Yes, Cheney and Wolfowitz are both dopes. Remember when they promised the Iraq War would not cost us anything because of all the oil we'd get?
I DO!
STILL WAITING!
Taker: Those are average gasoline prices. and gas did get up to $4 once. but gas is now anywhere from $3.70 to $4.51 so to me its about the same as the gas jump a few years ago. However, when obama took office he stopped exploration and canned about 30,000 jobs. gas is supposed to go to $5 this summer cant wait!. and iraq has control of all their oil and if we get it we have to pay current prices. that kinda shoots down those war for gas mongers.
and dont forget electric cars. the lithium batteries are considered hazardous waste, AND, AS WITH ALL GREEN ENERGY IT COSTS MORE. Pluggin an electric car into your house will double your current electric bill or close to it.
so the chevy volt goes 25 miles? well in 1907 they went further.
The Detroit Electric was produced from 1907 to 1939 and could travel a distance of between 100km to 160km on a full battery, and could manage a maximum speed of between 10km/h and 40km/h. Famous owners include John D. Rockefeller Jr. and Henry Ford and the car has since become a much-sought-after collectable
electric cars came and went in the early 20th century, although they used lead acid batteries. at $30,000 a pop, hazardous waste issues, nearly doubling a household electric bill. its more costly. and not environmentally friendly as all the greenies would have everyone believe. they did that before with glass bottles and got EVERYBODY to use plastic, which is made from oil, AND which now floats around out in the pacific ocean and other places. There are two points. the issues incurred from green technology do not go away as fast as the issues from oil technology.
Where the exxon valdez spilled some species have recovered, some have not, but nothing got killed off. Also thrown in were cycles that could account for the differances. I dont hold to that but oil does go away.
OTOH, green energy, well, just ask the people around fukushima how things are going. Nutz forgot they ran everybody away. What 17 square miles of uninhabitable land.
The national average prices for a gallon of regular gasoline from 2000 through 2009 are:
the paid Obama political bloggers are going strong here - they get paid to use cute names and avatars and spend lots of time agreeing with each other - go to Obama's web site and see - the election web site will sign you up and tell you things to say - you get training on what to say even if it has nothing to so with the truth - Americans are speaking up now and fighting the Obama machine/dictatorship - Feisty Red Head is a real winner in this respect - they blog back and forth with lots of agreement like it's a party and you aren't invited if you don't join in.
What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself.
~Abraham Lincoln
I've been commenting on First Read since it's inception. Nobody tells me what to say, or pays me to post (unfortunately.) I do work at a job, but am able to keep First Read up on my computer all day so I can follow along in between tasks. (I'm not a brain surgeon, so no one is endangered by my distraction.) I enjoy the intellectual challenge of the political discussions, and I support President Obama's re-election.
You don't have to be a paid Obama blogger coming from Maine. Maine has been under the Democratic Party control for the better part of the past 50 years. Industries are gone, taxes are high, unemployment is high, the state is flat broke, and the state is welfare heavy. The adage as goes Maine so goes the nation should give everyone a preview of where we are headed with Obama and company, and it ain't pretty.
Feisty is absolutely a paid blogger. The love fest they blog daily is like listening to a member of congress thanking their learned colleague for the first five minutes of a three minute time allotment. It is amazing how much they professed to care about the condition of this country when Bush was in office, but now that we have Obama there is no accountability.
Accountability Really! Bush started a war Obama had to finish, Bush forgot about Bin Laden "because I hadn't heard much from him lately" Obama finished that as well. The economy was on the verge of disaster and personal stock portfolios were decimated, Obama turned that around in a hurry, and the market has been going up ever since. Millions of jobs saved in the auto industry, instead of losing 750,000 jobs a month. I could go on but you really don't want accountability because there is no favorable comparison between the two and it even gets worse when you compare Clinton's surplus handed to Bush and republicans total destruction of the economy after they took control. Accountability is the very thing that republicans desperately avoid.
Rick-3416939
That's not true.
Until recently, the legislature was nearly 50/50 bipartisan, although Democrats had an edge, and the previous governor was a Democrat, Gov. John Baldacci. Our state has always been known for our civiity and bipartisan approach to state government. All that went out the wndow in 2010 when a majority Republican legislature was elected and our notorious Tea Party Governor got busy cutting the sick and elderly from Medicaid while cutting taxes for the wealthiest.
John Baldacci (Democrat) 2003–2011
Angus King (Independent) 1995–2003
John Mckernan (Republican) 1987–1995
Joe Brennan (Democrat) 1979–1987
Jim Longley (Independent) 1975 - 1979
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WAAA WAAAA WAAAA nperk grow up little troll... you too rick
Really?
Where do I pick up my prizes? lol
Really, paid bloggers? I went to the website like you suggested and found NOTHING about being a paid blogger or troll. You are hallucinating again.
Wow, Amy B. PORTLAND ME no surprise you pulled out the names of the governors to try and cover the disaster from Democrats in Maine. But even then only one Republican and both King and Longley were Democrats regardless of how they tried to hide from it. Curious why you didn't show the make up of the legislature over the past 50 years. After all they are the ones that write the bills.
Right now Republicans in Maine control all three legislative branches, and it was the first time since 1964 that it has happened. It was also the first time since 1972 that Republicans controlled both the House and Senate in Maine. So other then those brief moments in history the Democratic Party of big government tax and spend liberal policies have run unabated in Maine. Maine is anything but a shinning example of where the Democratic Party will take this nation.
What endless spin from the liberals. Obama blames the Republicans in the House, not a word about the do nothing Senate. When Bush was in office everything was his fault, and not a word about his two biggest spending years coming when Democrats controlled both Houses. Bush was no conservative, and he lacked fiscal restraint. But Obama makes Bush look like a fiscal hawk with his big government tax and spend liberal policies that this country is likely never to recover.
Not paid,Just real sick of all the tea-drunk a--wipes on this post.Did you know the economy was doing just fine,and was adding 750,000-800,000 jobs a month when G.W.B.left office.The stock market was near an all time high, the wars were coming to an end everything was just fine, until that damned OBAMA raised his hand and took the OATH to DEFEND and up hold the constitution.Oh those were the days.TEA DOPES get real,your President G.W.B.F--ked up this country and y'all just can't fess up to it!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep, I do believe there is smoke in your eyes. Sir, Maam, It .... whatever, please put down the bong because it is messing with your ability to see reality.
Obama's action have prolonged the recession and driven our country much deeper into debt.
Rick - I love how, when presented with actual facts, you turn to lying. King and Longley were NOT Democrats. But then, the truth doesn't support your whining, does it?
Jimmy prolonged the recession?really!You mean the recession that started back in late 06, the one G.W.B. denied existed,even his former Treasury sec ,you know the guy that was booted out admitted,the economy was in recession.Amnesia suffers.Yeah if only Mc-dumb and DUMBER were elected,things sure would be on the UP swing, let say 2020 after 8 yrs of G.W.B. it might take 16 yrs of DEMOCRATIC policies to clean up this mess!!!!
Amy - The democrats in Connecticut make the same argument that you do for Maine. They talk of the Republican governors, and the wonderful bi-partisnship that 'used' to be, now that they have sucked the state dry, with their 30 year stranglehold on the legislature. No one is throwing old and sick people off of welfare in ANY state, from EITHER party. 'Bi-partisan' to the democrats means - give me your money, or I will tell everyone how MEAN you are. The spending (democrat) party must end eventually, and when it does, you will have no recourse but to (once again) blame Bush. Now, Amy - get back to work, before you are fired for web browsing and have to join the Obama economy.
SeekingSanity apparently you can read but not comprehend. Both King and Longley share the same ideology as the Democrats and they rubber stamped the bills passed to them by Democratic Party controlled legislatures. They ran as Independents so as to avoid the primaries. When King announced he would seek the Senate seat of Snowe, Democrat Pingree decided not to run. If King gets elected, wait and see which party he decides to caucus with, most don't have to wonder.
Feisty!!! I just read you are a paid blogger...aaahahahahaha!!!!!
no, she's a loser troll who has nothing better to do than be the very first troll on every post. (Can we say chronic unemployment?) She's such an idiot that even a scumbag like Obama wouldn't hire her.
AP:
Yesterday, Brodkorb revealed that at least seven liberal bloggers are being paid $1500 a month for at least the next three months by a group known as the Center for Independent Media through its New Journalist Program. Although Brodkorb tried mightily to link the Center to a known Democratic group known as Media Matters, the most direct connection he could make was that the Center for Independent Media rents space from Media Matters.
Nevertheless, Brodkorb's greater point, that more than a few in the liberal media are themselves paid to blog, bears greater disclosure. (For the record, I and other City Pages staffers are generally expected to contribute to the City Pages blogs as part of earning our salaries.)
Most of the bloggers have responded to MDE's revelation. After acknowledging that he receives a $1500 monthly stipend, Matt Martin wrote, "The most important aspect of this is that I've never been told what I can and can't blog on." - sic.
What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself.
~Abraham Lincoln
Kind of like what is happening to Romney, Scott Walker, Bob McDonnel, Blunt and Rubio I think you got something there nperk.
Then consider yourself dead, nperk10195.
Such an intelligent comeback Kaybeetoys. Keep playing with your toys.
Thank you, winemaker. Keep drinking your wine...or is it Tea?
I support sobriety. Have a nice day.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Quite a funny retort there kaybeetoys.......you are so funny.
Please do support sobriety - I also do. But I do like it when folks leave the tasting room under control and with several cases of my product for their cellar.
You're welcome again, winemaker. Glad to keep you amused. You might as well laugh now.
You'll be crying in November.
Who did the crying in November, 2010 ? Obama was politically "neutered" in that election and could no longer mandate his every desire. You guys didn't learn much from that, did you ??
kaybee,
As Jim put it, the 2010 midterms voted out a number of Progressive do-nothings. Could it be the greater group of voters then were more informed than the media and the left believe?
Will they also be more informed during this election, again voting the bums that have breaded for so long off the earnings of the taxpayer? If so, will they also see through the misdirection of the media to once again elect The Barry to office?
During the first run, The Berry was not really vetted, and did not have much of a record in the Senate. Now he has a record, and it isn't great - not even good. With the economy in the tank, gasoline prices rising daily, grocery prices moving upwards, debt amazing with additional taxes requested from an unemployed, under-employed nation, he will have a difficult time getting a win.
Spin the fault anyway you choose to, the fact is if it isn't his fault, why again vote in someone who admits he can't get the job done.
So you're saying that President Obama hasn't accomplished as much as he might have because the Republican/Tea Party Congress blocks everything and nothing gets done.
Thank You for admitting that!
butterflywings-508607
Read my post. Where did I happen to state that the Republicans are blocking everything Obama initiates? Perhaps you should see you eye doctor friend, for those words are not there.
He first spent his first year on Health Care when he promised jobs. And we will see if his law is overturned.
Then the Barry spent time and our money on stimulus bills that didn't produce jobs; gave the auto union a piece of GM without any financial buy in; caved to the financial services industry and now you libs are complaining about the bonuses they are receiving with our money; spent billions for a green energy program that has gone bankrupt; created massive debt; and the list goes on.
So booby, what positive programs and policies has The Barry created?
You should probably put the wine down and pick up a newspaper. The stock market has nearly doubled in value on Obama's watch, healthcare, the fastest growing job sector has both new cost constraints and millions more new customers in it's very near future. Job creation in the past 3yrs has already outpaced those created in W's 8. The Iraq War's gone...and with it...a Billion dollar a week price tag, Afghanistan is next with an even higher revenue return...Bin Laden and Khaddafi both are gone, Al Queida nearly now as well, college loan costs have new constraints as well... the American auto industry not only still exists but leads the world again...in short, a lot has changed including the political winds. You're whistlin' past the GOP graveyard.
Obama is a first term lame duck.
Once we get to the Debates and the people can see the true Republican forum and the people get to see how they answer in comparisonto their campaign rhetoric and lies the party will over.
Can't wait for the debates when the Republicans get to ask Obama questions the worthless media won't ask. Like...
Mr. President, you were ok with excoriating Rush for calling a law student hell bent on assaulting the 1st Amendment a slut but you took a million dollar donation from Bill Mahr who routinely calls Sarah Palin a slut, c_nt, and bitch and many others, do you see a conflict there Mr. President?
Or how much money did you receive from Solyndra investors in your campaign war chest?
How can you support Holder after Fast and Furious gun walking.
How is it we "can't drill our way out of it" but "we can with algae" works with you United Automobile Workers? I see you haven't gotten any more savvy since I left.
And many more.
Whats your point ? I didn't know Rush Viagra was a candidate. Besides he's so over
Rational AmeriCAN
Did you forget that in the 3 debates that the media moderates the debates and asks the questions – not Republicans or Dems?
So I guess the media will "stone Obama mercilessly" .... throwing more popcorn questions at him like they did the last time around. Is that what the lamestream media will do ..... again ?
Dennis, I know education at tOSU is secondary to football, but come on, a candidate can answer any question as they choose, including implicating Mr. Obama in such a way as he will have no choice but to respond. It is that simple.
Well UAW, let me type slower, then. Bill Mahr, a visceral entertainer just like Rush Limbaugh gave Obama a million dollar donation on his HBO show. Obama lambasted Limbaugh for less vulgar language than Mahr uses to describe Republican women. If you cannot connect the dots, then there is no need to continue talking with you.
Have fun torquing bolts.
Why don't you buy japanese (or chinese) savings bonds and just be done with it, mr. patriot? why do we work, for our health? I work for money, am retired (UNION PIPEFITTER), currently working as a Field Engineer on a power generating project and am rapidly approaching final retirement at age 59. Keep supporting right wingnut fanatics and listening to liars on the radio and descend into poverty like most others of your ilk who form political ideas from what they read on bumper stickers. Not defending Maher but, he tells the truth about the born again dumb asses who destroyed our economy in the first place.
I would have to sell my 4 Fords to buy Japanese, Mick. Is that what you want?
BTW - since the Chinese own the USA Treasury, when I buy US Savings bonds am I indeed buying Chinese bonds? Interesting.
Sounds like you are defending Mahr, so I can assume you are ok with him calling women c_nts, tw_ts, sluts, whores, etc. I remember a significant number of womanizers in the UAW. Can't tell you how many harassment cases I had to sort through from one UAW member to another in my 2 decades in the auto world. You aren't one of those union boys who thinks women are best left at home are you?
Listen if Obama/Biden are going to get a second term they are going to have to get the tax payers who paid for thier union bribes to vote for them. Flying a jet and wasting time at a UAW rally whose votes you already bought is a waste of tax payer money. Vote for better leadership in 2012...
You mean like Republican candidates campaigning in the South or speaking at CPAC?
If the Republicans bought people in the South or the members of CPAC a car company with tax payer money I would be just as out raged......
You think saving millions of jobs, of which the smallest percentage were union jobs, so that millions of people can work, pay their bills, pay their income taxes, and not be dependent on government services is buying votes! Call it what you want your entitled to your opinion, but most people will call it being a damn good steward of the American economy.
Most of the auto manufacturers are opening their new plants in the South where union bosses cannot control the right-to-work. This terrifies the hell out of the union leaders. Unemployment in Detroit is high.
Forest, the car companies could have been saved w/o pandering to the UAW. The diffrence between Romney's bankruptcy plan for GM and Obama's bunkruptcy plan was the bribe to the union....
Desperation hasn't escaped you has it. I see your still an authority at nothing and hoping for something to salvage your meaningless life.
Did i tell you i just got back from Brazil that was paid for with my profit sharing beautiful this time of year
Time will tell huh I hope you can find a Candidate
It has nothing to do with "union bosses controlling someones right to work" it has everything to do with paying people less than I was making in 1982. It has everything to do with American workers being used as cheap labor for Japan and Germany, where auto workers make much more money than those in US right to work for less and less and less states. Median income in Texas is $10.80 an hour, I made more than that as a grocery clerk in 1982, that is a fact, and a shame.
The bribe to the unions? You mean like the pay cut they took to save their jobs and their company. Get serious.
UAW: you're a joke. Like autoworkers don't know which party thinks they're irrelevant and would have to be swayed with "bribes"?? This is why your party is beyond hope...no logic, just hate: war on unions, war on women, war on hispanics, war on seniors, war on science, on education, on reason itself. There just aren't enough uneducated, angry old white guys to carry your party to victory...better spend some time before 2017 trying to figure out how to rid yourselves of the extremists in time to become a rational major political party again, or you will STAY irrelevant...and is that 'midnight in America' thing working for ya yet?
AP, Don't forget there arent enough "Angry Old White Guys" to support the hand outs to unions, women, hispanics, seniors, science, education etc either. Sooner or later you liberals are going to run out of someone elses money. It's not holding an office. It's about doing what is right for America as a whole. I'm sure the people of Greece thought liberal living was great until now to....
UAW Pleeeeeeeease - handouts to women???? Are you frickin serious? You right wing idiots are so out of touch with reality it's pathetic. Women, hispanics, seniors, EDUCATION - we don't ask for handouts! What a totally stupid post! But, you fit right in with Santorum and Romney! Lies, lies and more lies!
But, I DO see why you believe Education is unnecessary since you are so lacking in that department.
@Forrest Grump #7.8,
It has EVERYTHING to do with costs of production and being able to COMPETE in a global economy.
In the late 60's and in the 70's, every year you could pick up a paper and could read about the unions going on strike for more benefits and more wages. Every new round of labor negotiations gave way to union greed, demanding more and more and raising prices until the international competition of Toyota, Honda and Datsun began to get a toe-hold in the U.S. market. That toe-hold grew into an ever increasing market share with more benefits, pensions and profit sharing in the 80's and 90's.
Detroit today is a mere shell of its former exhuberance because the actions of their past have caught up with them. New plants are being built mostly in right-to-work states. Deny reality all you want, smoke a doobie on your lunch break or whatever .... the results today speak for themselves.
Seek, I think the majority of women would rather see thier insurance premiums used to offer better coverage for serious illnesses. This Obama mandate that routine expenses like birth control should be paid for with insurance dollars is just another ridiculous way to waste money. Obama needs to quit driving up everyones costs to garner votes from the few....
UAW Pleeeeeeeeease - Up until the far right got their panties in a knot, birth control was part of every insurance program. It is a necessary expense. Your lack of understanding of women's issues is appalling but, not unusual for a Republican. I don't begrudge having the little blue pill as part of insurance coverage for a man. But, clearly to women that is a waste of money. And, maybe we shouldn't cover prostrate exams. Nothing for us there. Do you see how totally stupid your post and your position is???? Yet, you'd scream and kick about women getting pregnant. Hopeless - the far right is totally hopeless!
Seek, I agree birth control is a necessary expense. It's also not that expensive so why pay an insurance company to manage that cost??? Let's increase insurance coverage for stuff that will bankrupt you not cause you to miss nickle beer night.....
UAW Pleeeeeeease - maybe to you and me it is not that expensive but I'm not struggling to pay every bill. To a woman who is, every penny is precious. And, believe me, they're not out enjoying nickle beer night.
Jim if you want to believe you are paid less because your company can not afford to pay you more, if that makes you or anybody else feel better about being underpaid then go with it, but it is simply not true, did anybody question the viability of executive pay and benefits, bad management and poor product development, ect, ect. There is a full size size GMC van coming off the assembly line every 54 seconds when the line is running so how much do you think the UAW workers on that assembly line contribute to the price of that vehicle. How about you compare the total number of workers at say GM, to the UAW assembly line workers and then tell me how much they contribute to the price of a vehicle. Your argument does not hold water, and the people that complain the most about union wages are people who make far less, and want to justify to themselves that they are underpaid, and are satisfied being underpaid. The only people that complain about what I am paid are people that make less than me, not the people that make more. Furthermore when I do private consulting I charge 3 times my union scale, plus expenses, I don't do a lick of work with any tools and nobody bats an eye. I come in with work clothes on, perform the work, and you would say I am overpaid, when I come in with a tie and jacket and simply tell people what needs to be done and charge them 3 times as much, then I deserve it right.
Good old Joe out here telling us how wonderful life is in Obama-Biden land. If things are so great at GM Joe, why haven't paid us back rather than investing in a French car company with our money? GM isn't too big to fail, they are too big to succeed.
Joe it's time for you to step down and take Burt O-Bummer with you!
you have to do as i do you keep giving them rope untill they look like complete fools( like their candidates) them you tie up the rope and their left out in space
"Most of the auto manufacturers are opening their new plants in the South where union bosses cannot control the right-to-work. This terrifies the hell out of the union leaders"
This should actually scare the hell out of all of us! We argue the auto bailout, but not the banking bailout.(how many Wall St. jobs are union?) I have watched the Republican debates, and all are for right to work states. Right now companies outsource for the right to pay less to their workers, but lucky for us they won't have to anymore because, the same greed that caused the banking collapse, will turn right to work states into right to pay people less states. And the corporations will reap the benefits because the unemployed will take these low paying jobs and become under-employed. What have we just witnessed over the past few years everyone? Free trade has created overseas slave labor, now they want to bring it home. Are we foolish enough to think that corporations are going to pay decent wage if they don't have to? It infuriates me when I here the union rhetoric, ie Union Bullies, Unions are needed anymore, we have laws that protect workers, Union Thugs etc.... Right now corporations lobby Congress for whatever laws they want enacted or repealed (see: Glass-Stegall) and who counters the lobbying that is detrimental to the working class? You, UAW Pleeease or you Jim, no because you and I can't, we do not have the power or money to, only through solidarity of unionism can it be attempted.
Jim, I saw that you wrote
Global economy = Slave Labor, How do we compete with slave labor? Can you work for 2 dollars an hour like someone in China? Our whole nation Democrats and Republicans, are creating a race to the bottom. If there is no work, you will work for less, and you will compete for that job and work for less than the next applicant. Is this what the United States has become? This country is run by Corporatism, plain and simple, and Corporations are owned by Bankers (Wall St.). A quick question, is there less oil being produced and imported today then last week, is there a shortage of oil? Then why are we paying more for it, Wall St. Speculation! meanwhile Amercian Companies export oil to other countries for higher profit margins. And these same people run our government!
We need a leader with integrity, and the courage to tell the American people the truth about the inner workings of Washington and the corruption, no matter what the cost to his re-electability and approval ratings!! And truthfully, I don't care if he or she is Democrat or Independent or Republican or a talking Pelican.
Progressives love to blather on about how the auto industry/Detroit/America would have failed had Obama not given the automakers billions of dollars, with a healthy chuck going to the UAW, but the fact is we'll never really know. From a business standpoint Detroit was already at a loss, pumping out crappy, over-priced cars and straddled with legacy cost they couldn't help but factor into the invoice. Shutting down dealerships and 'Cash for Clunkers' aside, this administration has only succeeded in building an 'automobile' bubble while Detroit continues business as usual; even crappier cars at unrealistic prices built by union thugs flush with a new-found relationship with Washington and taxpayers on the hook for $250K subsidy for the Volt, another green energy boondoggle.
But the fires from those Chevy volts will keep the Progressives warm !
david --- it's obvious a pseudo intellectual like you drives a toyota. maybe you should come off your preconceived high horse and see what detroit is producing. when most people are driving electric cars in the future i can see you driving a coal fired steam car. get with the flow, son!
David: well you "regressives" have it all figured out, right? No hope, no future, no action, every last American for themselves. Yeah...wonder why in the heck that isn't working for you?
jim --- nice show jim bob! like a true hypocrite you tenderly wrap yourself in an american flag and cast dispersion on american workers and products. spoken like a true tea/publican pseudo american. just shows that you actually hate america and want to see the worst happen to our country to satisfy your perverse outlook on life. did i find a nerve? can't stand the truth?
15% real unemployment - the U3 number from the labor department actually counts everyone who is out of a job. 4 MILLION more net unemployed than when 'the one' took office. $5 TRILLION in new debt since that fateful day in 2009. $1.3 TRILLION in new deficit spending just this year. The VOLT - enough said - that production line is now idle.
thank you david! I was down at the local chevy dealer and they tried to sell me a full sized truck. they dont seem to have much else. and nothing that can compair to the gas mileage of foreign imports.
I always listen to how american workers would be screwed without unions. History Lesson 101:
in the 1960's the owners of the steel mills had a meeting with the labor unions and supervisors of the steel industry there. they stated that if the unions did not quit asking for exorbitant raises, they were going to push the steel outa pittsburgh and japan would make steel for us. the unions laughed. at the time an entry level job in the steel mill was walking into the cauldron after the steel was poured. it hot work. 15 minute shift 45 minutes out. $12 an hour. And THERE ARE NO STEEL MILLS THERE. also pop was 3 million then. 800,000 now. So i agree back in 1930 unions had a purpose. now not so sure. they nearly bankrupted gm. not to mention when everybody saw gas going up gm was still trying to sell full size trucks that got 18 mpg. they are doing the same now and the mileage aint much better.
right now we need jobs and a lot of people need to cut back on their desire for massive amounts of money. people need work at a decent wage, not an excessive wage. we still gotta go thru the cutbacks when and if obama ever pulls the troops out afghaniland. seems i remember he said he would during his campaign. i thought it would be sooner than his next election. course the country is going to take a massive downturn when he does, as soldiers will get out as the army will be cut back, and companies that make all those wonderful items for our soldiers, wont be needed so job loss their.
course i dont know what i am talking about. a local company that makes tracks for tanks layed off 240 people, half their workforce. LAST YEAR. My son was one of em. obama aint no better than the rest republican or independent.
We always do the same thing. we elect a pres and when he finally pulls out his brain and plays with it (they all do eventually) we put a congress under him of the opposing party to keep him from messing up any more, then we elect somebody else. and he plays with his brain in public, etc etc etc its called a free democracy. we cant elect leaders that dont screw us but we still have the right to vote em out.
right on feisty! it's about time a politician backed obama and said it like it is. these three mouseketeer dorks need to be put in their place. the democratic politicians never referred to bush in such demeaning terms. i sure have though because i can't think of a worse president than bush in the last hundred years. the worst bunch of pantie waists in a long time are this current bunch of pretenders. pathetic. would anyone want a son of theirs to emulate any of the current three?
With all due respect VP Biden "close thy face". Your administration is intellectually bankrupt! Stop wasting time with your "sanctimonious" BS. Let's facee it the O admin hasn't a clue where to lead this country. You have no business criticizing anyone who is trying to "dig us out" which I believe was in Obama's job description for the past 3 years.
NH: you must be among those who just awoke from a long, long nap when the black guy took office...'he who must not be named' had no idea where to lead this country while you were napping...we're finally back on track...you missed it all...two wars Obama had to wind down and end...terrorists to stop...a financial debacle to come back from...try and catch up and come back and perhaps you'll have a different take on just what "intellectually bankrupt" means because you're still clueless ...with all due respect, of course
OBAMA/BIDEN '12
ap --- i like your posts along with the red head and others. i have no due respect for the tea/publicans. they have done all they can to destroy both clinton's and obama's presidency. if a republican becomes president i think it is our right to do the same. they have damaged the american middle class in the hateful process and set us back. paybacks should be hell.
"Potatohead" is an apt name for a progressive..
bob in virginia ---- did you get a little tingling in the nerve too? i'd rather be called a progressive than a teabagger. bob = to shorten. bob = a device to indicate a fish on the line. bob = to duck down in preparation for a weave as in boxing. need more? what's in a name bob? a bobby burns you are not!
You are wrong NH...the PRESIDENT hasn't been able to do much of anything due to the Republicans blocking everything he tries to do...even things that they came up with. They are showing their a**. And, in November, mark my words, those that voted for President Obama will do it again as well as some of the middle class and minorities. The man has compassion and is trying to help. The republicans only see money, care about money and want to shove their religion down our throats. Funny, several of the founding fathers were not christian. Look it up.
Back on topic.....Have you noticed how the righties try to deflect when they are embarrased by the performance of their guys compared to the other guys?
Vice President Biden knows the opposition is going to play dirty. They are good at it and experienced. So he is getting in an early blow or two.
Joe is showing the obvious to those who have not been paying attention to date. He's going to have to do more of that as more and more people become aware of the campaign.
Juat curious - what union do you belong to?
From: Z A N
Organization(s):
JPMorgan Chase
Comment No: 57019
Date: 3/14/2012
Comment Text:
Dear CFTC Staff,
Hello, I am a current JPMorgan Chase employee. This is an open letter to all commissioners and regulators. I am emailing you today b/c I know of insider information that will be damning at best for JPMorgan Chase. I have decided to play the role of whistleblower b/c I no longer have faith and belief that what we are doing for society is bringing value to people. I am now under the opinion that we are actually putting hard working Americans unaware of what lays ahead at extreme market risk. This risk is unnecessary and will lead to wide-scale market collapse if not handled properly. With the release of Mr. Smith’s open letter to Goldman, I too would like to set the record straight for JPM as well. I have seen the disruptive behavior of superiors and no longer can say that I look up to employees at the ED/MD level here at JPM. Their smug exuberance and arrogance permeates the air just as pungently as rotting vegetables. They all know too well of the backdoor crony connections they share intimately with elected officials and with other institutions. It is apparent in everything they do, from the meager attempts to manipulate LIBOR, therefore controlling how almost all derivatives are priced to the inherit and fraudulent commodities manipulation. They too may have one day stood for something in the past in the client-employee relationship. Does anyone in today’s market really care about the protection of their client? From the ruthless and scandalous treatment of MF Global client asset funds to the excessive bonuses paid by companies with burgeoning liabilities. Yes, we at JPMorgan that are in the know are fearful of a cascading credit event being triggered in Greece as they have hidden derivatives in excess of $1 Trillion USD. We at JPMorgan own enough of these through counterparty risk and outright prop trading that our entire IB EDG space could be annihilated within a few short days. The last ten years has been market by inflexion point after inflexion point with the most notable coming in 2008 after the acquisition of Bear.
I wish to remain anonymous as of now as fear of termination mounts from what I am about to reveal. Robert Gottlieb is not my real name; however he is a trader that is involved in a lawsuit for manipulative trading while working with JPMorgan Chase. He was acquired during our Bear Stearns acquisition and is known to be the notorious person shorting in the silver future market from his trading space, along with Blythe Masters, his IB Global boss. However, with that said, we are manipulating the silver futures market and playing a smaller (but still massively manipulative) role in manipulating the gold futures market. We have a little over a 25% (give or take a percentage) position in the short market for silver futures and by your definition this denotes a larger position than for speculative purposes or for hedging and is beyond the line of manipulation.
On a side note, I do not work directly with accounts that would have been directly impacted by the MF Global fiasco but I have heard through other colleagues that we have involvement in the hiding of client assets from MF Global. This is another fraudulent effort on our part and constitutes theft. I urge you to forward that part of the investigation on to the respective authorities.
There is something else that you may find strange. During month-end December, we were all told by our managers that this was going to be a dismal year in terms of earnings and that we should not expect any bonuses or pay raises. Then come mid-late January it is made known that everyone received a pay raise and/or bonus, which is interesting b/c just a few weeks ago we were told that this was not likely and expected to be paid nothing in addition to base salary. January is right around the time we started increasing our short positions quite significantly again and this most recent crash in gold and silver during Bernanke’s speech on February 29th is of notable importance, as we along with 4 other major institutions, orchestrated the violent $100 drop in Gold and subsequent drops in silver.
As regulators of the free people of this country, I ask you to uphold the most important job in the world right now. That job is judge and overseer of all that is justice in the most sensitive of commodity markets. There are many middle-income people that invest in the physical assets of silver, gold, as well as mining stocks that are being financially impacted in a negative way b/c of our unscrupulous shorts in the precious metals commodity sector. If you read the COT with intent you will find that commercials (even though we have no business being in the commercial sector, which should be reserved for companies that truly produce the metal) are net short by a long shot in not only silver, but gold.
It is rather surprising that what should be well known liabilities on our balance sheet have not erupted into wider scale scrutinization. I call all honest and courageous JPMorgan employees to step up and fight the cronyism and wide-scale manipulation by reporting the truth. We are only helping reality come to light therefore allowing a real valuation of our banking industry which will give investors a chance to properly adjust without being totally wiped out. I will be contacting a lawyer shortly about this matter, as I believe no other whistleblower at JPMorgan has come forward yet. Our deepest secrets lie within the hands of honest employees and can be revealed through honest regulators that are willing to take a look inside one of America’s best kept secrets. Please do not allow this to turn into another Enron.
Kind Regards,
-The 1st Whistleblower of Many
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Bogging. I never answer or criticize other bloggers. I just post my opinion in hopes the the show will notice, since I never seem to be counted in polls. My OPINION here: You go Biden! I can't stand those religious, out of touch, right-wingers.
shannon greer -- a tip of the hat to you!
Shannon - proof positive that even the Irish have their crazy lefties - we love ya' all!! Nice picture, by the way.
"In his characteristic booming voice, Biden stated at the beginning of his remarks, "We bet on American ingenuity; we bet on you; and we won!"
MSNBC slurping for Obama-Biden...no snark for Obama or Biden, but heavy on the snark for Gingrich today...
Did Biden ask anyone in a wheelchair to stand up? Whatever gaffes he made, you wont hear about it in Obamaland of MSNBC...
Bob - Nothing actually bad to say about Biden so you resort to being snarky! We expect nothing less from you.
You let them know Joe! The facts always upset the GOP/RNC!
Promting Small Business and the Private Sector has Joe's name written all over. These are not campaign speeches for him - these are his CORE BELIEFS.
GO JOE GO!!!
But, but but, these gop candidates are throwing their lord, GWB, under the bus. HE recently said it was the RIGHT thing and that he'd do it again!! I cant understand why these candidates, and the GOP in general, would want to have 4M MORE unemployed!! I think once they fa down and break they heads. maybe they have a death wish for their party because that is EXACLTY what's going to happen if they keep doing what they're doing!! WHO the HELL do they think they are-- defying the will of the people!
Givem HELL, Barry, thru Joe! LOL
Joe Biden - was the crowd chanting 'go Joe go' or 'Please, Joe - go'! Did he drive to the union rally in a Volt? - Just wondering. I really am curious about 'Feisty Redhead' - always has the first post on every story ?!? - MSNBC mascot, or Bill Maher's speechwriter?
More like oblabma PUPPET!
Joe is the perfect mouth for the Amnasty Mexican Cartel party. I think it is nice for The Cartel to share power with the White House. It's neighborly, but after all Obama has done for them it is only fitting.
"We bet on American ingenuity; we bet on you; and we won!" But the American people lost $500B. He forgot to mention that little fact.
AIG, Wall Street and the Banks where bailed out for 10X that amount.
The first thing those crooks did with the money was pay themselves huge bonuses for failure. The American people will never see that money again, its all in the pockets of the scum who bought the Republican party.
These criminal Bankers gamble with money they can not afford to lose and when they do lose they just get bailed out by the Republicans who hold the 'too big to fail' hammer over every ones heads, yet they are against any regulations to limit the size of these criminal banking organizations. Why well because they are bought and paid for, thats why they will hold Real Americans hostage by threatening to withhold un-employment benefits unless their masters get a huge tax cut.
The Republican party is the most anti-American organization on the planet. Republicans= Government for Corporations, by Corporations. Real Americans are just toss away lay off material.
ah - so you like it better when obama bails out union pensions , screws over GM bond holders, gives a 55% controlling interest to the goddam union - which bankrupted GM in the first place - all to pay back his union cronies for their votes - thats ok with you?
PC..... NONE of what you say is true!! I expect a lie from a GOPer, but not a whole string of them. For example, the bondholders took a back seat to the union pensioners becase THAT IS THE LAW!!! Union pensioners are SUPPOSED to be paid before bond holders! The slightest research reveals that. I found it in about 3 minutes! GM went b ankrupt becuase they amde junk for 40 years and lost HUGE market share!And Remember, just about 2 weeks ago, BUSH SAID that he's glad he bailed out GM... and that he'd do it AGAIN!!! It was BUSH'S DECISION!
Now, go wipe your face!! You got egg all over it!
Joe Biden, the Democratic Howdy Doody with Alzheimer's. He'll be as effective as...and funnier than John Stewart.
I know Biden might be a little gaff prone, but look at it this way. He has never shot anyone in the face.
would you consider that a plus or a minus??????
Cost to operate a Chevy Volt
Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's "Follow the Money")
test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors.
For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25
miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran
on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the 16
kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to
drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you
have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average
speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of
electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.
The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked
up what I pay for electricity.
I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons)
$1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the
battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to
operate the Volt using the battery.
Compare this to a similar size car equipped with only a 4 cylinder
gasoline engine that gets 32 mpg. $3.49 per gallon divided by 32 mpg =
$0.11 per mile.
The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt costs
$46,000.
So Obama wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that costs more
that 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive across country.
REALLY?
No wonder GM is having trouble selling the Volt !
And electricity isn't "green" either. Most of it comes from high sulfur coal burning plants. It's dirty, and it's more expensive.
Chevy Volt-do you smell something?
The Volt commercial that obama doesn’t like.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-chevy-volt-parody-ad-that-gm-probably-doesnt-like/
Obama Now Agrees: General Motors Will Never Pay Back all the Bailouts
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/06/obama-now-agrees-general-motors-will.html
AP Reports:
The Obama administration said Wednesday that the government will lose about $14 billion in taxpayer funds from the bailout of the U.S. auto industry.
In a report from the president's National Economic Council, officials said that figure is down from the 60 percent the Treasury Department originally estimated the government would lose following its $80 billion bailout of Chrysler and General Motors in 2009.
The report's release coincides with the administration's efforts to tout the bailout's role in the revitalization of the U.S. auto industry after last week's announcement that Chrysler is repaying $5.9 billion in U.S. loans and a $1.7 billion loan from the Canadian government. Those payments cover most of the federal bailout money that saved the company after it nearly ran out of cash in and went through a government-led bankruptcy.
GM previously announced that it had repaid a little more than half of the $50 billion it received in federal aid.
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said U.S. auto companies are now at the forefront of a comeback in American manufacturing.
"We cannot guarantee their success, and at some point they may stumble. But we've given them a better shot," Geithner wrote in an opinion piece in Wednesday's edition of The Washington Post.
Do you honestly believe the federal government is going to let them stumble?