Voter ID or Voter IQ

As KO said today we need Voter IQ rather than Voter ID is needed; particularly in the South. I must agree as Billie Holiday sang "Southern trees bare Strange fruit.

How amazed are you to find out the majority of southerns think President Obama was not born in the US or that he is a Muslim. Let me tell you I half way believe it. On the one hand you had the illerate voterrs who will belive anything their Parrty leaders will say which is the problem. The republican leaders are not doing their jobs to inform the public of the troops. Of course we know this meme will continue because the GOPTEA BAGGERS have nothing to run on but Lies.

Also you have the GOP TROUNCING AROUND THE LIE oil prices are President Obama's fault.

But the right wing Koch bros say differently:

Are they drinking their polluted water? KOCH funded "CATO", REALLY???

It's Not Obama's Fault That Crude Oil Prices Have Increased

by Peter Van Doren and Jerry Taylor

So despite the popular perception of President Obama as anti-oil, domestic oil production is increasing for the first time since the Johnson administration. Alas, little of this has to do with the president. Prices increased from $22 in 2002 to just under $100 a barrel average in 2008 and supply has responded. President Obama is no more responsible for production increases than other presidents were responsible for production declines. Unfortunately, presidents get blamed for world market changes that occur during their time in office... but generally, they do not cause them.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/its-not-obamas-fault-crude-oil-prices-have-increased

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There you havee it

*** On national polls and the Chewbacca Defense: Last night’s New York Times/CBS poll was the latest survey to show a job-approval drop for President Obama; in one month, his score declined nine points, from 50% to 41%. This raises the question: What major event occurred in the past month to account for this drop -- or even in the past week, when our NBC/WSJ poll had Obama’s approval rating at 50%? There are two potential culprits here: gas prices and Iran. But did those two issues really account for a nine-point drop, bringing Obama to his lowest rating in that survey (lower than after the debt-ceiling debacle)? What’s more, is it possible for Obama to be at 41% approval but leading Romney by three points (47%-44%) in a head-to head? Invoking the Chewbacca Defense, it just doesn’t make sense. Then again, actions speak louder than words, and the Obama White House has been VERY defensive on gas prices. Bottom line: It’s probably worth waiting for a few more national polls before reaching the conclusion that something has happened to Obama’s standing in the past month.

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Right in line with my post above about how the lefty liberal MSM Obamabots are giving Barry a free ride, here's FR immediately counselling their loyal sheep to "wait and see" about a drop in Barry's poll numbers. Totally dismissing even the possibility that it was his rising poll numbers that were wrong.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe, if we wanted to read a political magazine started by the aide to the disgraced former speaker Tom Delay (is he out of jail yet?), we would go there. You don't need to drag it here for everyone to mock.

The reason why Obama's rise was real, while the drop may be statistical noise, is because the rise is statistically confirmed by the RCP and Pollster trends. A drop is not. It pains me to think of how foolish your objection to Chuck Todd looks.

Also Joe, in politics, if you're whining, you're losing.

Ah hah, I knew it. The Pollsters LIED.

It is in their corporate interest to LIE!!!

Explaining the "dip" in Obama approval rating: They polled more Republicans! Oh Hell Yes, they did. They lied about the President's plummeting poll numbers!!!!

/snip/

Post poll released today, showing President Obama's approval rating at 46% and disapproval at 50%, a reversal of fortunes from early February. Hell, it even shows Romney beating Obama by a point. The explanation offered by pundits and headlines? Gas prices, which 66% of Americans are very concerned about, the poll finds.

But what's behind the headlines? What's beyond the pundits and the pontifications? Why did President Obama's approval numbers really go down? Or did it even actually go down? What really accounts for the reversal from last month? The real answer: they polled more Republicans this time than last. Ta-da! I decided to compare the party ID numbers attached to this poll vs. the ones attached to the last poll. Look what I found:

Here is another piece of information from the poll the media narrative drivers don't want you to pay attention to: by a 54-40 margin, even this GOP-skewed group expect President Obama to win re-election. That is a net 17-point gain in Obama's favor since January. This means that a large portion of even Republican and GOP-leaning voters believe that none of their candidates can win in November. I doubt this would be the case if any factor other than the over-representation of GOP voters were moving the approval and head-to-head matchup numbers in this poll

As a final thought, the media buzz seems to be more a proof of the proverb that there are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics than it is about an actual dip in the president's numbers. Statistical analysis is invaluable when it is done properly, analyzing and comparing all the factors. But when the same "numbers" are used to push a political talking point instead, a wealth of information buried in a survey gets ignored in favor of pushing a given narrative. That is the dangerous part. We need our media talking heads to leave behind narratives and look at real numbers and present real analysis.

Note: You may notice that the February numbers are 2/12 and not 2/4, which is when the last poll was released. But given that these were the exact numbers attached when the 2/4 polls came out (and with a 2/12 label even then), I'm thinking that's a typo from the pollsters.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/03/explaining-dip-obama-approval-rating.html

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I told ya'll they are desperate and will Lie about anything . Especially when they clients tell they what to do.

Re-elect Bo as First Dog. Seamus would be tied down. Seamus deserves better.

David "The Hypocrite" Axelrod need to be hit and hit HARD for going on Bill Maher's show. After the things he said re Romney not condemning Rush enough over the issue of the 30 year-old schoolgirl, he better be clean as a whistle when it comes to this. He's not. He's dirtier than a Chicago mayoral election. Not to mention he looks like somebody that works behind the counter in a porn shop. (I wouldn't know-Da Noid told me).

Damage, over 100 sponsors have quit not just Rush Limbaugh, but the rest of talk radio. No one has quit Bill Maher, and you have no traction on the issue.

Matt L#####: Tom Delay (is he out of jail yet?)

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Tom Delay has never been in jail.

Moron.

Bill, twist it whatever way you want, you still support Rush. We get it, you are so tiresome. In your misogynistic mind everything is cool. Well good luck to the women in your life.

I do not support Bill Maher or any other comedian when making fun of women, it says more about them than they realize. That money was donated before Rush went on a 3 day tirade against a young women who is a private citizen.

This is bullying Bill, plain and simple, by the titular head of the Republican Party, the mouth piece of your party and no one from your party has offered a heartfelt apology, no one.

Bill Maher insulted a public figure, do you know the difference between public figure and private citizen? Try to recognize the difference, that may be help you understand why your posts are getting stale.

Why would they quit the "rest of talk radio"? Interesting....

Anyway, it's a good thing if Axelrod does go on Maher's show. The Repubs should use it to SLAM the Obama admin for it's blatant arrogance and hypocrisy. Of course , that won't matter to people like you; you're lefty mind is so twisted you see nothing wrong with calling Sarah Palin a CU*T because, to you, she is a CU*T. What classy folks.

When there's a none story ... they make a story ... just get this damn thing over with ..........

Sure Gingerbread. Difference between a public figure and a private citizen? You mean like Joe The Plumber? That kind of private citizen? Tell us what you think about Joe The Plumber, Gingerbread. Let's see if YOU know the difference.

We get it, you are so tiresome. In your misogynistic mind everything is cool

No kidding Gingerbread Mamma!

Did Bill Maher go on for 3 days in FULL attack mode?

Did he demand to see sex tapes from Palin?

Anyone with an IQ higher than broccoli knows the answer...

This certainly has been a teachable moment - at least now we know how the Mr. Me Firsters, the Idiot from Albany and the rest of the men around hear truly feel about women!

For that, I say thank you to the lonesome losers!

Joe in Albany

Salon columnist Glenn Greenwald, an icon of what the Obama White House famously dubbed “the professional left,” also sees a strange lack of interest toward some of Obama’s policies. Among them: his administration’s claim that the Constitution allows executive use of armed drones to kill U.S. citizens abroad deemed to be terrorist operatives.

Joee, no wonder you have dubbed the "Idiot in Albany" You listen to some of the most whacked people.

Eric Holder destroyed Greenwald & Ron Paul

Eric Holder destroys Ideologues on Ron Paul Left; Glenn Greenwald's house of cards collapses.

I found this article to be more informative and justifiable as to why I think a terrorist living in another country plotting to kill Americans is a traitor. This kind of traitor in my perspective really does not deserve the justice some think in a time of crisis.

~snippets~

Of course, in Glenn Greenwald's world, judicial process is the same as due process - even for avowed enemies of the United States who are operational leaders of a terrorist group targeting the United States. Hell, in Glenn Greenwald's world, if a hijacked plane was coming at the White House, the Air Force would probably be required to obtain a subpoena for the passenger list, check to see if there are American citizens who were hijacking it, and then get a court order before shooting it down.

With one cleansing moment of clarity, AG Holder took apart the fiction created by Glenn Greenwald and the like:

This is not a novel concept. In fact, during World War II, the United States tracked the plane flying Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto – the commander of Japanese forces in the attack on Pearl Harbor and the Battle of Midway – and shot it down specifically because he was on board

Based on generations-old legal principles and Supreme Court decisions handed down during World War II, as well as during this current conflict, it’s clear that United States citizenship alone does not make such individuals immune from being targeted.

But but but... due process! How dare the administration claim that the president has the authority to just kill anyone without due process just on his say so! He is violating their Constitutional rights!!!!

Actually, no. There is due process - of the laws of combat.

Holder goes on to lay out the specific process of the law clearly under which lethal force may be used to eliminate a target that poses imminent danger to the United States on foreign soil.

Let me be clear: an operation using lethal force in a foreign country, targeted against a U.S. citizen who is a senior operational leader of al Qaeda or associated forces, and who is actively engaged in planning to kill Americans, would be lawful at least in the following circumstances: First, the U.S. government has determined, after a thorough and careful review, that the individual poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States; second, capture is not feasible; and third, the operation would be conducted in a manner consistent with applicable law of war principles.

But but but... no courts! The president is deciding to target American citizens - nevermind that these citizens are operational leaders of terrorist groups plotting attacks on the United States and won't show up for court dates in the countries where they lived - without court review! That's taking away due process!!!

But then, Holder kind of takes the wind out of their sail here, too.

“Due process” and “judicial process” are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.

The Constitution’s guarantee of due process is ironclad, and it is essential – but, as a recent court decision makes clear, it does not require judicial approval before the President may use force abroad against a senior operational leader of a foreign terrorist organization with which the United States is at war – even if that individual happens to be a U.S. citizen

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/03/eric-holder-destroys-fauxgressives-on.html#disqus_thread

Get it Joee?

OK, what's with First Thoughts this morning; gremlins? There were several comments posted and the entire article was deleted and replaced along with the comments.

Here's part of my first post. The rest disappeared.

GOP's Big Day in Alabama, Mississippi and Hawaii. Who will win AL and MS is anyone's guess. It's a 3-way tie. What happens if Mitt Romney wins AL or MS? Will Santorum or Gingrich drop out of the race? Not likely. How will Rick and Newt spin a Romney win? That will be fun to watch. How will Mitt spin a loss? That will be fun to watch.

Whatever the outcome, tonight we get to hear them speak again touting their wondrous virtues without ever telling voters their plan, their vision beyond it's the opposite of President Obama's. Let's hope Newt and Rick decide to use a teleprompter like Mitt does so they stay focused instead of rambling all around the barn to get to the door. Newt will talk about drill for oil versus algae and $2.50 gas versus $10 gas--ignoring Bill O'Reilly's words that politicians who promise $2 gas is B.S. Mitt will give the y'all and grits remarks before launching into what he thinks today but maybe not tomorrow. Rick will preach values and the promised land if only voters pick him.

Good luck, fellas.

And didn't a Republican Super Pac continue to run ads on Rush's show after the rant? Why yes, they did.

Joe in Albany

Glenn Greenwald is commissioned by the by the Koch roaches Cato Institute

http://www.cato-unbound.org/contributors/glenn-greenwald/

Need I say more?

I'm still waiting for one of the right wingdings to back up their repeated claim that Obama blamed Bush for the 2008 gas price increases. It wouldn't even have made much sense to blame Bush for short-term increases. Who Obama DID blame was "Washington" for the LONG term trends that led to the increased prices in 2008. Obama's critique then of what is behind high gas prices is still true now.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-4045969.html

As for the Washington Post poll about gas prices, the most frightening thing about it is that more than 50% said that the president can do a lot to lower gas prices. If true, it means that more than half of American voters are totally clueless.

Joe in Albany

Matt L#####: Tom Delay (is he out of jail yet?)

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Tom Delay has never been in jail.

Moron.

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From the Internet:

"On November 24, 2010, DeLay was found guilty by a jury in Austin (Travis County), Texas, of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He was subsequently sentenced to three years in prison and 10 years probation on January 10, 2011. DeLay's lead attorney has said that he will appeal the convictions. As a convicted felon Delay would never again be eligible to run for public office in Texas nor would he be able to vote in Texas until he completes any sentence, including probation and parole"

So Joe's buddy Tom Delay hasn't started serving time yet, which doesn't change the fact that Joe drags in articles from the aid to a convicted felon.

I think Joe's words should get him suspended for a day, but the real question is why is Joe so angry?

Is it because his taxes will go up on January 1, 2013? I am so hopeful that they will.

Joe has all the anger of a man given a tiny figment of false hope, that he can stop our progress towards European democratic socialism, but knows deep down in his heart that Obama will be reelected narrowly.

Sorry Damage but Joe the plumber is a public figure, he's running for congress in Ohio. One of these days you tea people GOP Koch republicans are going to think before you speak. No you're not, because you can't think for yourselves you have to be told what to think by Limbaugh (racist).

Anybody else notice the closer it gets to the election the more desperate the tea people GOP Koch republicans are getting. Their hate rants aren't even making sense anymore and their lies are getting worse.

Bill -

I have no love for Bill Maher, and I certainly don't condone any of the vile things he has said. I also don't support or agree with any of the other comments Ms. Powers reported on, even though I also do not agree that she is a "liberal".

You say it is so simple, and I agree - but you simply don't get it. There are MAJOR differences between the Rush incident and the Maher (and other) comments.

1. Sandra Fluke was not a public figure, and did not attack or demean anyone in her testimony. The conservative women "attacked" by Maher and others are public figures who have "stirred the pot" with their rhetoric and statements. I am not defending the comments, but politics is a dirty business and they joined in willingly. Ms. Fluke was testifying on women's health issues, and agree or disagree she should have a right to peacefully speak her mind without being attacked.
2. Rush didn't just call Sandra Fluke vile names, he repeated them in great detail over the course of three days. Rush not only called her a "slut" and a "prostitute", he asked for sex tapes to be posted so he could view them. This was not an "off the cuff" comment or a simple name calling, it was character assasination.
3. Maher (and others) are NOT the pereceived leaders of the Democratic Party. None of the individuals Ms. Powers mentioned set the agenda of the Democratic Party. No one apologizes to Bill Maher if they say he is not relevant or important. Maher makes no claims to be a leader, he is just a comedian and a self-professed athiest who sometimes discsusses political issues.

Despite what you say to the contrary, your "rant" above is just smoke-screen to cover the completely out-of-bounds words and actions of one of the acknowledged leaders of the modern Conservative Republican Party.

over 100 sponsors have quit not just Rush Limbaugh, but the rest of talk radio. No one has quit Bill Maher, and you have no traction on the issue.

Debunked last Friday and Saturday.

Few (if any) serious analysts are arguing it was OK for Rush to say what he said

And yet you will go to any length to minimize what Rush said, attempting to draw parallels where none exist.

You're not fooling anyone--except, perhaps, yourself.

... and the rest of the men around hear truly feel about women

Got something on your mind?

And the lady (I forget her name) who did the background check on "Joe the Plumber" was fired. Rush still has his job, correct?

It does not matter whether a person with a microphone is republican or democrat or neither, it is not acceptable to denigrate women or anyone else for that matter. What I find amazing is that the Bill's of FR are doing as much spinning as FOX and friends to "excuse" Rush Limbaugh. I have never excused any person regardless of political leanings whether a comedian or a talk-show host for making derogatory comments whatever they might be.

Stop trying to compare the GOP's Voice Rush Limbaugh's three-day hate fest against a private citizen with Bill Maher, a comedian. With every post defending Rush Limbaugh, you give him a pass that says a great deal about the poster. Limbaugh attacked your daughters, your sisters, the girl next door. I do not excuse any person including Maher, left or right, when they make comments such as Limbaugh did. Too bad, the GOP doesn't have the courage to stand up to Limbaugh. Not one GOP lawmaker or candidate did which means they talk tough about war, Iran but cower in fear of Rush Limbaugh. That's a sad commentary on a once proud party--they're too scared of Limbaugh to denounce what they know was despicable speech.

What Limbaugh said was vile and disgusting.

What Maher said was vile and disgusting.

What Shultz said was vile and disgusting.

See how easy it is?

Well, easy if you have ONE set of standards, rather than two. When you have two,people call you the H word- as in, hypocrite.

Which is what you are.

Matt L ########: Tom Delay hasn't started serving time yet,

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I'm pretty sure that click I just heard is your IQ ticking up from 49 to 50.

over 100 sponsors have quit not just Rush Limbaugh, but the rest of talk radio. No one has quit Bill Maher, and you have no traction on the issue.

Debunked last Friday and Saturday.

Bill Maher is on HBO. Maher, and any other show on HBO, do not have sponsors.

Perhaps Bill in Fairfax is afraid his hero, Rush Limbaugh, is becoming a pariah. Perhaps he needs to justify his continued support of this man. Or perhaps Bill just doesn't get it and never will. My guess is it's all of the above.

It will be interesting to see if Bill's collapsed post #1 is restored like the lefty liberal first posts are always restored.

My bet : NFW

Honestly, I think the place for guys like Rush, Stern, Maher, and all that 'blue' 'comedy' or 'commentary' is for straight pay. In a free speech country, sponsors should and do care about their audience, people themselves just shouldn't have to put up with certain things, and we can debate about some of them, but women hating, race hating, bigotry in general, if you want to tell me it was meant to be funny and you have the right to say it....I say good, get off public airwaves, and then have the people who want to listen to you pay directly. Too bad if they don't happen to have as much money....it means maybe you should finally check your mouth. But there are no illusions here, there is always going to be an audience for a loud mouthed bigoted clown. Just pay for it yourself if your that kind of person

MOhammed. Maybe YOU need to think before you speak. Joe The Plumber was NOT, I repeat NOT a "public figure" and was not running for congress in 2008 when Saint Barack came through his neighborhood on a campaign swing. Joe asked him a question (as did many others that day) as a ...repeat after me Mohammed: PRIVATE CITIZEN. The left then went on a vicious smear/attack campaign to destroy him and his credibility. All while he was a private citizen. Why? Because he had the gall to make Hussein look bad in front of the cameras by asking a question that caused Hussein to inadvertantly reveal his socialistic ideas of wealth redistribution. Look it up and know what you're talking about before you talk s**t.

Bev..."Unfortunately, presidents get blamed for world market changes that occur during their time in office... but generally, they do not cause them."

Refreshing to hear such a grounded, rational and logical view.

Too bad it's only present when it supports your position.

The only real difference I see is that Rush is all over the radio for 2 or 3 hours a day and Mayer is on HBO for an hour. I would imagine the audience size is pretty different as well as the ease of access. I personally don't like Mayer much either but his influence over the rational minds of the masses is far far less than Rush's. Still, both have freedom of speech just like the people have freedom of chioce when it comes to purchasing anything from his sponsors. Don't you just hate that..?

Houston: I'm still waiting for one of the right wingdings to back up their repeated claim that Obama blamed Bush for the 2008 gas price increases.

Obama takes a swipe at Bush at the 1:25-1:45 mark.

Source: http://www.allamericanblogger.com/15310/flashback-obama-2008-blames-bush-and-cheney-for-high-oil-prices-promises-change/

Listen to the rest of the speech though, listen to his promises, and when you're done walk outside and look at the price of gas.

Another good one is at:

Source: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/video-flashback-obama-and-dems-blast-bush-for-gas-prices-in-2008/

This one Obama blames Bush for the gas prices right at the start. Other leading Democrats also blame Bush.

$4.27 in my area.

JAS1 -- You continue to believe that presidents control gas prices. And you continue to show your ignorance.

Tom Delay is still out on appeal.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=tom%20delay%20appeal&oq=tom%20delay&aq=1&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=11&gs_upl=1233l3569l0l8270l11l10l1l0l0l0l162l1165l1.9l11l0&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=2f95c0d86315f210&biw=1116&bih=638&pf=p&pdl=300

No only that but, when his appeal goes court, he is expected to win, because every conviction like this in Texas has been overturned in apeal. Add to that the supreme court has overturned the portion of the law used to convict Delay. The whole thing was a political political "hit".

Dcia: JAS1 -- You continue to believe that presidents control gas prices. And you continue to show your ignorance.

Did you watch the videos? Am I in them? Lots of Democrats were, and who where they blaming Dcia?

Just pointing out the Democratic leadership, including Obama, believes that this is true.

Tell you what; why not have all the horribly besmirched ads and Lies your right wing nut job leaders return they campaign funds; huh?

FYI: the RWNJs would have "no" campaign funds left.

Well said Bev! Well said indeed.

Why Romney could lose.... Well he's Romney. Why Romney could win... Well the other two are Santorum and Gingrich.

Nuff said.

When the choice is between snooty, scary, or supercilious, snooty starts looking pretty good.

So JAS1 -- Your point: Conservatives should quit trying to blame this president for the rise in gas prices.

devie: Well said Bev! Well said indeed.

Here's some fund raising news for you to chew on:

Vice President Joe Biden addressed 87 wealthy Democrats last night attending a fundraiser at the home of Sen. John Kerry in Georgetown. As they dined on grass-fed New York strip steaks and white truffle mashed potatos underneath a outdoor tent, Biden criticized Republicans for being out of touch.

“These guys don’t have a sense of the average folks out there,” Biden said according to the pool report, “They don’t know what it means to be middle class.”

87 guests paid a minimum of $10,000-per-couple to attend the dinner.

Source: http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/biden-hails-middle-class-wealthy-fundraiser/424931

Too funny. Yeah, sure, nothing speaks understanding the middle class like John "To avoid taxes, I dock my yacht in Rhode Island" Kerry and Super Joe Biden.

$10,000 for a steak. Wow. Maybe just go Mortons next time.

So JAS1 -- Your point: Conservatives should quit trying to blame this president for the rise in gas prices.

You're really that dense aren't you? The Liberals, the Democrats, and the Main Stream Media were in full bloom blaming Bush for the gas prices in 2008. CNN had panels of people blaming Bush, poll upon poll was taken showing that public blamed Bush for the gas prices, stories of Bush failures led every days newscasts. Democrats ranted on the House and Senate floors blaming Bush. Obama campaigned that Bush was at fault and he had new and better ideas that would fix the energy problems. Notice how those ideas have worked out? $4.00 gas.

Just like Bush, Obama owns this one. I can see why you want to deflect on this issue, especially on the heels of Keystone. This is just bad news for the country and a President that says he's powerless to do anything. The voters are looking for a more accountable President. It's not "Conservatives" leading on this issue Dcia, it's the people that are making Obama accountable.

TNSVEOL – thanks for your response to my post. You distinguish yourself from the other leftist flotsam around here by virtue of your thoughtful remarks. But I must challenge every one of them:

"Sandra Fluke was not a public figure, and did not attack or demean anyone in her testimony. The conservative women "attacked" by Maher and others are public figures who have "stirred the pot" with their rhetoric and statements. I am not defending the comments, but politics is a dirty business and they joined in willingly. Ms. Fluke was testifying on women's health issues, and agree or disagree she should have a right to peacefully speak her mind without being attacked."

Sandra Fluke most certainly is a public figure and became one the instant she agreed to be used by the left to advocate for a controversial issue in a high profile forum. Furthermore, Ms Fluke is not a newcomer to the advocacy game and indeed has a history of speaking out in support of liberal issues. The resume of this 30 year old adult woman includes a stint as head of a group called the Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice as well as a seat on the advisory board of the Manhattan Borough President's Taskforce on Domestic Violence.

Nothing wrong with any of that, it actually speaks well of her character. But please spare us the portrayal of Fluke as an innocent student waif caught up in a national political maelstrom. Fluke has been "stirring the pot" as an activist for years, and indeed it was her history of involvement in liberal issues that brought her to the attention of Democratic congressional staff. And no one forced Ms Fluke to venture onto the national stage, she did so of her own volition. Even Hillary Clinton has recently pointed out that folks who "stick their neck out" like Fluke did need to be prepared to take some heat. Because as you correctly pointed out, politics is a dirty business.

"Rush didn't just call Sandra Fluke vile names, he repeated them in great detail over the course of three days. Rush not only called her a "slut" and a "prostitute", he asked for sex tapes to be posted so he could view them. This was not an "off the cuff" comment or a simple name calling, it was character assasination."

Three days, eh? And how many YEARS have Maher, Schutz, Tiabbi and other leftist slugs been engaging in their systematic attacks on conservative women? And these folks haven't just used offensive language once or twice, they've done it repeatedly – in Maher's case it's a key part the schtick he uses to make big money. I daresay few if any of their comments have been "off the cuff" but rather deliberately calculated to inflict as much pain as possible on specific targets. As I said in my post, few if any serious analysts are arguing it was OK for Rush to say the things he said just because other leftist slugs had said the same or worse on previous occasions. The issue is the blatant hypocrisy (and complicity of the MSM) in giving the left a free pass on this issue.

"Maher (and others) are NOT the pereceived leaders of the Democratic Party. None of the individuals Ms. Powers mentioned set the agenda of the Democratic Party. No one apologizes to Bill Maher if they say he is not relevant or important. Maher makes no claims to be a leader, he is just a comedian and a self-professed athiest who sometimes discsusses political issues."

Careful, you're falling into the typical leftist trap that somehow Rush Limbaugh is a leader of the Republican party who somehow sets their agenda. I know this is an article of unquestioned faith in liberal lefty land, but I'm hard pressed to find any proof offered to defend that sweeping idea.

Mitt Romney is currently leading in the delegate count and most folks think he will eventually be the nominee. So how does a man who is widely perceived as being the most "moderate" Republican in the race stand to win the nomination in a party where the uber conservative Rush supposedly sets the agenda? How did George Bush manage to significantly depart from conservative fiscal principles if Rush was the man behind the Republican curtain calling the shots? How does Rick Santorum take a page from the liberal playbook by calling for government to pick winners in the economy by subsidizing manufacturing if he's being manipulated by the free market Rush? And even you might agree that Newt Gingrich in particular would be highly offended at any suggestion that his "big ideas" come from anyone but himself. The fact of the matter is each of these men has their own ideas on various public policies and their connection with anything Rush has to say is tenuous at best. So this notion of Rush calling the shots is just a crap sandwich repeatedly fed to us by the left.

Then you say Maher is "just a comedian." Fine, and Rush is just a guy on talk radio. But this comedian is just as closely associated with the left as Rush is with the right. And when this comedian uses his media platform to make highly offensive remarks about conservatives he is swimming in exactly the same political waters as Rush – and should be subjected to the same opprobrium as Rush whenever he crosses the line.

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P.S. to Joe Albany – you're right, NFW. But I join with you in taking some pride whenever the leftist loons collapse our posts. It proves we've touched a sensitive nerve.

NO, JAS1 -- You are dense. If someone blamed Bush for high gas prices then they were wrong. Just as those blaming this President for high gas prices are wrong. Get it!!! Two wrongs do not make a right. Wrong is wrong.

You propagate bull$hit, JAS1. Jump in and enjoy your bounty.

The southern states have been Dixiecrat Republican since Lyndon Johnson pushed civil rights. Romney is not the issue. The issue is whether the Dixiecrat element still controls Republican politics and if the candidates have successfully pandered to that fringe element. Romney has an edge simply because he has a greater ability to spread lies and hate - the 'raw meat' of the Dixiecrat fringe. Hate trumps critical thinking in the Republican South.

Side note - it is no surprise that Obama's approval numbers have fallen. He apologized for burning Korans, after all. The military created the situation in Afghanistan - Obama did not. Yet the President is always required to clean up the messes created by the military. It has been that way since Eisenhower and Gary Powers. Just another instance where the military has acted stupidly, endangered the mission it is charged with executing, and failed the sitting President. Apparently Republicans believe supporting the military is like Democrats supporting education - fix the problems by just throwing more money at it.

Hey Bev.... don't you remember Barry giving a speech a few years back and he clearly stated that HE wanted to see gas prices hit $5.00 a gallon? Right from the horses mouth on national TV. How soon we forget?

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/11/obama-id-like-higher-gas-prices-just-not-so-quickly/

Here's an idea if you don't like something that somebody says then change the channel. I'm so tired of people trying to silence free speech because they're bored and have nothing better to do. You may not like what Rush, Maher, or Howard Stern have to say but they all have an audience and sponsors who pay to reach that audience. You have the ability to change the channel SO CHANGE THE FREAKIN CHANNEL!!! I consider myself a liberal but comedy and free speech trumps politics for me. I thought Rush's insistence that she broadcast her sexcapades for taxpayers was pretty funny. I also think its funny when Maher @!$%#s all over the Palin family. In each situation both parties know they are going to be on TV so its fair game. Why can't we just admit that it's funny only when our side does it but offensive when your side does it?

Hey Feisty!

That Idiot from Albany needs to be reamed with the furry end of the broomstick he thinks you ride to work.

Bill (1.1) The president has NO say over who gives to a Super PAC, so you can't blame that one on him. Super PAC's can take money from anyone they wish....even Maher, and use it any way they want...even to help re-elect President Obama. So, that shoots down THAT argument. If the Super PAC wants to return the money, that would be THEIR decision to make, not President Obama's. Additionally, President Obama doesn't "pocket" the cash coming in to the Super PAC....that isn't his money. If they want to use that money to back a Republican....they have the right to do so. Quit blaming President Obama for a Super PAC's actions....he has nothing to say. He can "suggest," but he can't force them to refund the money to Maher.

Bill,

Why no outrage for Maher? Three reasons:

1) No one listens to Maher... except for you, apparently.

2) Maher is on a premium, paid cable channel... not free airwaves. You only listen to him if YOU PAID to listen to him. Hence the reason for point 1.

3) Democrat party leaders DO NOT go to Maher for advice, thus he does NOT influence their policies. Republicans leaders DO go to Rush, and he has a very strong influence over their policies, as well as the listeners who do whatever Rush tells them. Liberals do not do what Maher tells them, because of point 1.

Finally, the outrage itself was not only the product of Rush attacking Fluke, but his overall attack on all women. He made the point that ANY woman on birth control is a slut... which includes married women on birth control, those in monogamous relationships, those not having sex but using it to regulate their hormones, and those using it for ovarian cysts. Rush speaks for the Republican party, and he sent a clear message that Republicans view ALL women on birth control as sluts. I personally know many Republican women who have vowed to not vote GOP this year because of that statement... "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." (Don't worry, come November I will not let them forget that statement... just doing my part)

On a side note, Rush has shown his incredible lack of intelligence in his comments. He related a high birth control bill to having "so much sex." In reality, it doesn't matter how much sex you have, you only take one pill. The fact that Rush, and so many Republicans, believe that you use more birth control pills the more sex you have, shows how incredibly stupid they really are. For your reference Bill, you take one pill ever day, that's it... so if you have sex 10 times a day, once a day, or no sex at all... you still only take one pill. So high costs does not mean lots of sex. See, now you know a little bit more than you did this morning. And, your welcome.

Ed..."Why can't we just admit that it's funny only when our side does it but offensive when your side does it?" That's human nature. What I don't understand is why this, "SO CHANGE THE FREAKIN CHANNEL!", isn't human nature. I guess because one is logical and the other is not? Silly, fickle humans!

He can "suggest," but he can't force them to refund the money to Maher.

Good grief dear, that's the whole point -- the Great One has been remiss in not making that suggestion. And whether you're capable of understanding it not, that error of omission is tantamount to pocketing the cash.

Nice try.

TFF, Bill is back to defend his hero. LOL.

Pride and Joy, # 1.24, you say "I see the libretard collapsing crew is at work again! How dare anyone points out flaws in the leftist agenda!"

Please let me know of a single comment in thread # 1 that is collapsed. Thru # 1.60 at 2:48 pm, they are all still available

JoAnnaSmith1

Obama takes a swipe at Bush at the 1:25-1:45 mark.

Source: http://www.allamericanblogger.com/15310/flashback-obama-2008-blames-bush-and-cheney-for-high-oil-prices-promises-change/

JoAnnaSmith only gives a link to a video clip, but she doesn't want to repeat what Obama actually said because she knows what he said was true: Laws enacted during the Bush era favored oil companies. He said that Dick Cheney met with environmental groups once, with renewable energy groups once, and with oil and gas companies FORTY times, so it's "not surprising that the laws that have come out from Washington have been good for oil companies but not so good for consumers." Obama goes on to say that the problem runs much deeper than just with Bush, and that both Republican AND Democratic administrations going back to the '70s are to blame.

Obama spread the blame around pretty evenly. So it's true he "blamed Bush" -- along with shortcomings in policies that go way back beyond Bush. He made a temperate and valid criticism based on FACTS, not wild and irresponsible accusations like the ones hurled by the GOP at Obama claiming that Obama alone is responsible for rising gas prices DESPITE the facts that oil production has increased under Obama and the US is now a net exporter of gasoline. And that's why the right wingdings only post links to videos here rather than simply summarizing what then-candidate Obama said.

Liberals will not acknowledge the FACT that Sandra Fluke is a democrat operative. She isn't some poor, innocent catholic school girl as the left would have us believe.

Liberals also won't actually listen to what Rush said. Media Matters won't let them (facetious). They'd rather get their information about Republicans and Conservatives from liberal "sources", including media matters, MSNBC, and "Real Time with Bill Maher".

Rush isn't going anywhere. He didn't violate the decency laws that the FCC regulates. He just said stuff that liberals didn't like. F*&k 'em (liberals)!

And to all you incredibly smart liberals that keep saying Rush is dumb: Why is he worth tens, if not hundreds of millions, and carry the largest audience if he's so dumb? Answer: Liberals call things they disagree with or don't understand "stupid" in a childish attempt to diminish the issue under false pretenses.

Check Obama's approval ratings. The ride is over. You poked the sleeping dog until he woke up. HOUSTON!, part of the reason Obama's approval is tanking is the fact that all he does is party and point fingers.

In reality, it doesn't matter how much sex you have, you only take one pill.

Really? And here I was popping them like candy from my Rush Limbaugh Pez Dispenser.

"hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

Or like that of a woman who's been mandated by her government to be transvaginally ultrasounded. (Really, this will never cease to be funny to me).

Regarding Maher vs. Limbaugh...

Maher...

comedian[kəˈmiːdɪən]

n
1. (Performing Arts / Theatre) an entertainer who specializes in jokes, comic skits, etc.
2. (Performing Arts / Theatre) an actor in comedy
3. an amusing or entertaining person: sometimes used ironically

Limbaugh...

pun·dits

Plural

NOUN

1.
somebody who expresses opinion: a critic or authority on a subject, especially in the media
"The election results surprised the political pundits."

2.
somebody wise: somebody with knowledge and wisdom

I think some people need to bone up on their definitions. Whether we laugh or are insulted by these individuals has nothing to do with the JOB DIFFERENCES between Rush and Bill Maher.

They do not do the same thing or fill the same roles in society, regardless of which of them you agree with, one is satirical with no real political influence and one is a commentator with political influence. I find a lot of comedians not funny, that doesn't make them not comedians, just like I find a lot of pundits insulting, that doesn't mean they're not pundits. And yes, they are equally protected. What isn't protected is defamation, which Rush, without the "joke" to fall back upon, is dangerously close to committing sometimes. That's the key, he presents his sh** as truth. Either way, if you don't like what they have to say, don't listen. End of story.

Your opinions don't redefine our language people.

And to all you incredibly smart liberals that keep saying Rush is dumb: Why is he worth tens, if not hundreds of millions,

Because other people are dumb.

Yes, SARAH, OTHER people are dumb. Have another Pez. Some women are smart and more are getting smarter by the day!

LOL

November of 2012 is gonna rock!

Yup! President Obama will be elected by another landslide and the wailing and weeping of the right wing lunatic fringe will fill the air like whiny Christmas carols.

I can hardly wait!

Rational,

If you really wanna get into a "sarcasm" off with me, can you at least make it funny? I don't mind nasty, myogynistic BS, as long as it's funny enough to make me laugh.

So, you're seriously accusing me of misogyny? "Victim" much? One thing I've learned about libbies is that they will say anything to appear as the victim.

You want funny, huh? Can I use some of Maher's lines? (of course I wouldn't because I have class)

How about "You couldn't me more transparent if you were the front window at Think Progress' HQ..."?

btw, did you watch Maher Friday night?

Hey! Sailcat! Look at the scoreboard every now and then.....

How about a scorecard that is more relevant to the issue, okay?

Romney vs. President Obama:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Santorum vs. President Obama:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_santorum_vs_obama-2912.html

Just think about this: Obama leads your GOP losers after months of hard campaigning and tens of millions of dollars squandered by the Republican Party's hilarious pretenders. Imagine what will happen when Obama starts campaigning in earnest! Read 'em and weep, little man.

Really? And here I was popping them like candy from my Rush Limbaugh Pez Dispenser.

Sarah,

It's like Colbert said... Republicans view birth control as sperm-blocking shields, you need one pill for each sperm, to make sure you block all babies.

"Liberals will not acknowledge the FACT that Sandra Fluke is a democrat operative."

By the way, since you cannot backup that assertion with anything remotely resembling a fact, that makes it a lie and, by extension, it makes you a liar.

"Liberal operative"? Don't you just love arguing with the right wing lunatic fringe? Ha!

And to all you incredibly smart liberals that keep saying Rush is dumb: Why is he worth tens, if not hundreds of millions

The same reason Snooki and The Situation are worth millions

Obama's approval rating is sliding so fast, he's now EVEN with either Romney OR Santorum!!!!

Obama leads your GOP losers after months of hard campaigning

I know! It's hard to believe Obama's approval would be slipping this fast when ALL HE EVER DOES IS CAMPAIGN (except golf, partying and pointing fingers)!!! It's awesome, ain't it???!!!

Not lying about Fluke Sailcat. I guess that makes you LAZY. Liberals usually are. You read something from the Hufpo, assume it's fact and run with it. That mentality cost you dearly in 2010 and it will again here in 7 months!

Gee!!!! This is fun!!!

You'll have to do better than that, little man. Remember to bring tissues with you when you show up here the morning after the election. You'll be needing them!

Indie, if Snooli lasts for 20 years, I may reconsider....

LOL

Sailcat, calling people names doens't make you look less of an idiot.

Just saying.

And "you'll have to do better than that" may have worked in third grade. Chew on the stats...... and think of me!

:-)

It was a statement of fact. You are a little man and you will have to do much better than merely whining about the numbers to make them conform to your fantasies.

Try to stay focused, okay?

... and yet again neither side stops to try and think kinda sad this is what America is reduced too, bickering over petty trinkets and not focusing on helping out our fellow Americans, all anyone ever does anymore is bicker and point fingers at the other side and no one claims responsibility for their actions, you pitiful people should be ashamed

Rush Limbaugh is like Jerry Springer. They both make/made a lot of money off the same type of audience.

TO: Bill, Fairfax VA who wrote:

"...OK, let me get this straight. Rush Limbaugh calls Sandra Fluke a slut and a prostitute and all hell breaks loose. The president even steps in to show his solidarity ... and now Gloria Allred wants to prosecute Rush ..."

Yet when Bill Maher (and many others on the left) previously used similarly coarse language to demean and denigrate numerous conservative women..."

Whaaaaaaat? You're going to have to put some names to your empty allegations that leftists have called "numerous conservative women" name.s That's just a great BIG lie.

What disgusts me most is that no matter WHO it is, and no matter what party they belong to, now matter if they eat red meat or just chicken and fish, NOBODY should call anybody else nasty names because that person stood up for their rights.

That said, you assume that Fluke is a Democrat, but you don't know. She could also be a Republican, but, hopefully, now that Fluke got a peek at how she would be treated IF she were Republican, I hope Fluke is now a life-long Democrat. Serves the hate speech Republicans right!

Obama / Biden 2012

Indie, if Snooli lasts for 20 years, I may reconsider....

LOL

Shall we discuss the number of drug-addicted rock stars who have been around more than 20 years, and are worth millions? Or perhaps the TV/Movie stars of the same caliber? Maybe we can talk about all those "dumb democrat" politicians who you hate, but are life-long members of congress and worth millions.

Convincing idiots to give you money, just to tell them what they want to hear, is not an indication of intelligence... scam artist, con-man, maybe... intelligent, not so much.

Polls are pretty much useless in states where residents don't have telephones, education or teeth! If Billy-Bob burns a cross on the black-neighbor's lawn and the white neighbors all come running to join in the fun only then will they learn of the "lection" down at the townie-hall (i.e. KKK club house). Go make your X to defeat the Muslim, foreign, socialist, liberal, negro, president and put a white-folk back in charge like god intended! Oh, gotta love southern charm...

(Ir)rational Brent:

Check Obama's approval ratings. The ride is over. You poked the sleeping dog until he woke up. HOUSTON!, part of the reason Obama's approval is tanking is the fact that all he does is party and point fingers.

I assume this incoherent rant is directed at me. How much the policies of both Obama and Bush contributed to higher gas prices in their respective presidencies are legitimate questions for rational debate. Maybe gas prices rose because Dick Cheney served the interests of the oil industry rather than the interest of the public. And maybe the spike in gas prices near the end of Bush's second term had nothing to do with Cheney. But its obvious that nitwits like you don't have anything rational to back up your attempt to blame Obama for the current price spike when you try to dodge the question entirely by making the moronic assertion that just because Obama suggested Bush's policies contributed to higher prices, you can blame Obama for everything, period. That is NOT rational. It makes no sense at all.

no joe, no bo, nj

What Limbaugh said was vile and disgusting.

What Maher said was vile and disgusting.

What Shultz said was vile and disgusting.

See how easy it is?

Well, easy if you have ONE set of standards, rather than two.

Schultz used ONE of the "vile and disgusting" words Limbaugh used. ONCE. And Schultz gave a REAL apology to Laura Ingraham, the woman he insulted, not Limbaugh's bogus apology followed by the whiny excuse that he had "descended" to the level of the terrible lefties. Limbaugh's apology was totally bogus; he continued smearing Sandra Fluke's character even after he supposedly "apologized." Schultz was making no insinuations about Ingraham's private life.

As for Bill Maher, he's defending Rush Limbaugh when he should be apologizing to Sarah Palin.

@1.83 Overlord, here's your RACE CARD back. It doesn't work anymore. People are fed up with people lke you making false claims of Racism. To me, YOU are the RACIST for trying to use it to support your nasty, vile statements. There's REAL racism; believe me, I know that on a very personal basis. The REAL racism needs to be addressed but people like you set the cause back 150 years.

Also Overload, people who are unsure, uncertain of their position like you, resort to name calling and snarky, vile remarks, just like the bully in the schoolyard. People aren't afraid of the bully anymore.

Oh, Give me a break. I don't personally know Sandra Fluke. She may well be a perfectly legitimate slut. And I don't care what Rush Limbaugh thinks about her, or anything else.

Limbaugh is an opinionated loudmouth who has been crossing the line throughout his entire career. And this "big left, elitist, lamestream media" card is a little played out. Who is the most profitable news network? Fox News. Conservative media outlets are some of the most profitable around, and there are no shortage of them.

If you could look past your own pettiness of wanting politics to be a team sport with only one good side, then maybe you could see the reasons for the real issues. This shouldn't be "US vs THEM."

MIke-680333

Hey Bev.... don't you remember Barry giving a speech a few years back and he clearly stated that HE wanted to see gas prices hit $5.00 a gallon? Right from the horses mouth on national TV. How soon we forget?

I'm afraid I don't. I do remember the idiots @ FOX NOISE getting extremely excited as they distorted the President's words.

You’ll notice Obama doesn’t expressly state that he opposes high gas prices but says he doesn’t think cost hikes should happen suddenly or dramatically. This is what the president’s critics cite as damning evidence of his true intentions.

Here’s what the president said:

“Look, here’s the bottom line with respect to gas prices. I want gas prices lower because they hurt families, because I meet folks every day who have to drive a long way to get to work. And then filling up this gas tank gets more and more painful, and it’s a tax out of their pocketbooks, out of their paychecks. And a lot of folks are already operating on the margins right now.

And it’s not good for the overall economy because when gas prices go up, consumer spending oftentimes pulls back.

And we’re in the midst right now of a recovery that is starting to build up steam, and we don’t want to reverse it.”

In both instances we’ve cited, Obama suggested he’s averse to letting gas prices shock families’ finances. In his White House remarks, he said point blank: “I want gas prices lower.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-wont-die-did-obama-want-higher-gas-prices/2012/03/13/gIQAf0EW9R_blog.html?hpid=z1

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The President s words can be fact checked for accuracy. Fox noise as usual can be noted for besmirching and lying. Neither can Hot Air be considered a blog for accuracy because that's all it is; "Hot Air".

Rational,

Yes, you are truly, truly, classy. Now excuse me, I have to go play the victim.

I am gleeful at the thought of how you won't be able to tolerate four more years.

Obama registered a plus four point swing up to 49/43 in Gallup on the same day the CBS News Poll came out. Believe whichever poll you want, but I guarantee you were the one three years ago believing that Obama could never win in 2008.

The RCP and Pollster average have Obama in the range where he would win a close election if the election were held today. That's bad news for you.

Rob:

You didn't cite the source of your copy/paste and you obviously didn't compose it yourself. Why?

Damage123:

Liar! You have never liked the man or his politics. Stop trying to appear reasonable, because you are not and never have been.

Rob in MA,

"Voters understand that while Keystone would have little short term impact on gas prices, not passing the measure is simply anti-american and anti-free market."

How is the gas price in your state? Here in MN I got gas for $3.63 a gallon. I am sure you are paying more. Why is that?

US refineries receive oil from different sources and different prices.

On the East coast refineries get their Brent crude oil from Europe and Africa. The price is around $106. a barrel.

Add to that the closing of refineries in PA and production down 4% and your lack of access to WTI (sweet crude oil) or refineries that can use the heavier oil from Gulf coast, Canada or Mexico add to your price.

Here in the Midwest our refineries can process the heavier oil from Canada, Mexico and the deep Gulf Coast. This oils is cheaper than the Brent oil.

Add to the price of gas the transportation cost, taxes and the speculators preminun. Saudi Arabia oil minister said that speculation add $25.00 to the price of Brent crude.

I would love to share our gas from the Pine Bend refinery in MN with the folks in MA. But it would have to be transported by ship and then we run into the Jones Act and the more costs involved.

The keystone pipeline is the least of your worries about how the free market works and the price of gas on the East coast.

If Paul were the nominee I would be hard pressed to decide between him and Pres. Obama. Seeing how we have to absolute shills for the republican status quo in the final running, this independent will be voting Obama. We'll see how things turn out. BTW, the "nightmare" started for me when Bush got his second term and has continued as the republicans have lied, cheated and stolen to try and defeat the president at all costs. How can I vote for them now and reward them for all of their really f'd up behavior these last three years??

@Rob in ma-3189632 -- Typical Republican response. It is not difficult to see how Keystone XL would be of benefit to oil companies, of benefit to congressmen on the 'take', of benefit oil speculators and stock traders that never worked a day in their life.

The Republicans have NOT made the case with any clear logic how Keystone XL will benefit the country. How does transporting the lowest possible grade of oil to the Gulf coast benefit America? How does that increase the supply of cheap oil to either the Pacific or Atlantic states where gas prices are highest? Wouldn't forcing Canada to build a pipeline to it's west coast increase the availability of cheap oil to the Pacific states? Wouldn't that new cheap oil available to the west coast increase supply in Washington, Oregon, and California and lower gas prices there?

Your comment only shows that a 'true' Republican does not support the country. A 'true' Republican only supports their party - especially if that support provides personal benefit.

Well, over the past month America’s patience has run out. Obama’s recent lobbying of Democrat senator to vote against the Keystone pipeline was the final straw for struggling Americans

OH PLEASE! I am a struggling American and I support him in blocking that dumb Keystone pipeline.

Your post has the appearance of being "Intellectual"when in reality is the most ignorant on the vine

You guys need to get your facts correct. Unless you want to definitely destroy the environment.

http://www.platteinstitute.org/blog/blog_detail.asp?id=132

Rob's posts contain outright lies and gaps of logic you could drive an oil truck through. When you examine his ravings and follow up with a quick Google search, you can nearly always find volumes of evidence to refute his dishonest allegations. Rob is just a troll.

http://reason.org/blog/show/poll-finds-americans-want-keystone

here's quick google search....

66% of voters think we should move ahead with Keystone pipeline. Like with so many issue Obama (and sailcat) are WRONG!!!

Rob in ma#s -

66% of voters polled, you mean. The reason they came up with double-blind studies is because if you expect a specific result, chances are that's what you'll find.

Now, why would we make fun of the fine people of Alabama and Mississippi?

Oh, yeah, here's why...

www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_SouthernSwing_312.pdf

What is the President's religion?

Alabama: 45% say Muslim, 14% say Christian, 41% not sure

Mississippi: 52% say Muslim, 12% say Christian, 36% not sure

Do you believe in evolution?

Alabama: 26% say yes, 60% say no, 13% not sure

Mississippi: 22% say yes, 66% say no, 11% not sure

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Rush Limbaugh?

Alabama: 53% favorable, 33% unfavorable, 14% not sure

Mississippi: 51% favorable, 30% unfavorable, 20% not sure

Thanks for those stats, Pizza Boy. Damn, I LOVE the South!!!!

There is one good thing about the South... the entire population makes you feel better about yourself. No matter how hard your life may get, at least you are not them. They are like a nation-wide self esteem boost.

Although I am not looking forward to my upcoming lay-over in the South, on my way to the Caribbean. But that's the price I pay for exotic vacations... wish me luck.

Well the righties are out with a vengence today! I'm actually a true Southerner and I know we're not as well educated as more northeeastern (especially) or northwestern states in the Union. I'm sorry that's the way it is but it's hard to get a good education in the South. Knowledge is not upheld as any sort of virtue and if anything the quest for knowledge is more like vanity (a sin). Fortunately, some of us can't help the thirst for knowledge.

uhh, I think the libtards suffered yet another 'virtual wedgie', posts pointing out the truth are being collapsed much like obama's policies! lol carrot top must be lurking.... eh?

Here's a tiny factoid that will also come into play for Romney: When a person votes against a candidate in a primary (not when they simply like someone else better) they find it extremely difficult to vote for that person in the general election. This was much-studied in the 2008 Democratic campaign. There were a significant number of Democrats who voted for Hillary as a vote against Obama, but really did not want her to be the Democratic candidate because of her perceived baggage. A very significant number of those people did not vote at all in the general election after having voted in the primary, or voted for some candidate other than Obama. While people who voted for Hillary but also considered Obama a viable candidate --- usually those who were simply more familiar with Clinton --- voted for Obama.

An awful lot of people are voting against Romney by voting for "not-Mitts." This could translate to a lot of Republicans not voting at all in the fall, or voting for a Libertarian or other third-party candidate.

I think the libtards suffered yet another 'virtual wedgie'

nah! We never use underwear under our clothes we are "Liberals" You must be talking by experience! Too much bbq gives wedgies without notice!

Dear Beverly, I am from Alabama and I do resent the implication that southerners are not smart simply because they are southern. They are also very conservative. Much of what Romney stands for, those in the south stand for as well. Southern values do consider it wrong to cheat on one's spouse (Gingrich) and Santorum is a bit too edgy with his beliefs. However, we here in the south do possess the ability to think for ourselves and what the media say about us doesn't really affect how we vote.

"Romney is luring in educated voters and Santorum is luring in uneducated bible thumping fools"

Thank you Beverly, I'm about to go vote here in Stupidville, Alabama, where I am about to receive my 4th maters degree, and cast my vote for Santorum. Though I personally feel that any vote for Gingrich or Paul is wasted, that is the right of the people to show that they don't care for Romney or Santorum but, neither has a chance to be around in November. However, getting Romney down to 3rd is a great incentive as he will see nothing for all the money that has been spent trying to buy him the election. Just another fine example of the 3% trying to usurp their influence by buying an election. God it would be totally awesome if we had a candidate in either party that was really for "We the People". How can anyone think anything good about Romney when for his whole life he has been about himself and making as much money as possible. Oh, that's right his wife says they're not rich (upwards of $300 million), I wonder what would be. He is just another shining example of another politician who has absolutely NO GRASP on what the 97% have to go through/live on a day-to-day basis. Finally, I really don't know where flip-flop Romney is standing today, on the issues that are affecting our nation. He changes them so much, how can anyone?

@Beverly in Chicago -- Romney winning the South would not be surprising at all. Romney has more 'free speech' than the other candidates - by a factor of 4 to 1. Romney can easily win if he uses his 'free speech' to pander to the hate and monolithic thinking in the South. The more lies and hate filled rhetoric that Romney can throw at the South - the better his chances of winning.

Do Southerners disagree with Obama? Do Southerners dislike Obama's policies and politics? NO! Southerners live in a 'love' and 'hate' world. Southerners either 'love' something or 'hate' something - there is no in-between. Southerners 'love' their God and 'hate' Obama. It is that simple.

The candidate that can either present a monolithic message of 'love' or 'hate' will fare well in the South. So far the political messages have been reasons to 'hate'. Romney's 'free speech' can win if he presents a clear reason to 'hate' the other candidates - and - 'hate' Obama, of course.

"Greg, That's a vote for Weird" God help this Country if that Nut gets in, Santorum is Phony as a three dollar bill. Use that Maters degree on someone sane."

I am from the DEEP south. Ignorance here is not only tolerated, it's almost worn as an honor badge in the south. (UGHuh! I don't know nuthin' and it ain't never hurt me none!)

Many southerners are adverse to anything new, or any type of change. If we listen to southern voters, we'll all be back in the 50's and 60's quickly. Oh, excuse me, I forgot, those days are held in high regard down south because MOST southerners are prone to forget anything unpleasant like segregation, the KKK, equal rights and so on. They forget about their ugly side quickly, which would leave everyone with things like polio, black & white restrooms and restaurants, blatant racism, early death rates for everyone and a return to the cold war.

In case anyone's wondering about me, I'm white and I know racism very, very well - my own family is so chock-full of racists and dumb-fucXers that it makes me sick. Believe me, I know racism better than most folks because I've seen from a hidden white perspective - up close. The south is full of ignorant fools who want to take us all back to the worst era in the south.

Real Americans need to know this and remember it's 2012 for Gods sake and we're NOT goin' backwards anymore.

Obama can mop the floor with ANY and ALL of these 'so-called' candidates. What a clown show! The only thing we're missing is the oversized shoes, the ball-noses and the little clown cars.

Chris - MI --did you mean to say "steal" the deal iso Seal the deal??

Chris, Dorr, MI

Can mittens seal the deal tonight? should be interesting.

Go Obaaahhhhhma 2012

In deed 4 more years for 44!!!

Nobody but Obama/ biden 2012

The RWNJs are so intent on having their LIES repeated so they collapse posts that refute their nonsense and lies.

Hey, right wing nuts repeating lies from FOX NOISE does not make it true. And grits ain't gravy.

It's hard to imagine Rommney eating pork rinds and drinking moonshine, at the same time that he holds a Confederate flag...But he will do anythig to win the South...So, who knows? He may show up in his "pick up truck" with gourmet pork rinds

Bill Thomas-2852155

Bev, the corrupt Chicago organizer is also the very close to being the 'cut and paste' queen of First Read... just behind carrot top. Neither of the old gals have original thoughts, just retread left wing wacko drivel!

Bill

Just what fresh ideas have you contribute to this Blog besides the same Old , FOX NOISE, LYING, TALKING, POINTS???

If you think by extension that President Obama being from Chicago makes me a community and corrupt; look no further than to your GOP PARTY. Particularly, Gingrich and his campaign problems and his delinquent Tiffany account plus Willard's tax havens offshore!!!

Then there's Santorum moving his family to Virginia to home school, and the local school district in Penn Hills was forced to pick up the tab for the cyber school, which cost the district $38,000 a year for the Santorum children!!!

FYI: your likening me to a community organizer means I'm all good. Especially Since President Obama organized the hell out of America so much so it got him to the White House.

Just what fresh ideas have you contribute to this Blog besides the same Old , FOX NOISE, LYING, TALKING, POINTS???

Methinks the lady protests too much, did Bill hit a nerve Bev? I rarely see you discuss, just cut and paste as Bill suggests. When you do 'discuss', it's in the form of an insult laden attack!

What is an attack is when the republican candidates try to play people's intellect against them with total B.S that they don't even believe themselfves and the people who have their eye's open can see its total B.S why'll most of the right are walking around with blinders on like some kind of horse.

Me thinks that fuzzy is just another republican that thinks women should be second class citizens. Just like the taliban, republicans thinks it is their right to control women's bodies.

Romney and the rest of the nominees have signed another pledge, this time they pledge to overturn Roe v Wade with their new pledge to the person-hood amendment.

Republicans really do seem to think this is 1912 before women had the vote. With all the blocking of the vote they also seem to want to go back to before blah people could vote too.

Ron Paul thinks the civil rights law went to far and took away white men's rights. But taking a woman's right to have a say so about her own body away from her, well Paul the freedom guy is all for that. Republicans only seemed concerned if men's freedoms are taken away, such as being able to deny women birth control is a mans freedom to be guarded.

What's next? Deem that only property owners can vote, and women can't own property?

Obama/Biden 2012

Just a few facts for the idiots who try to slander Obama in every way they can except to say that they hate him because of his race:

1) Obama was NEVER a community organizer as his primary job. Period. During his time in Chicago, he did work as a community organizer as a part-time job while finishing his law degree. It was the sort of job that thousands of young people fill while in school. Once he graduated from Harvard Law School he became a Civil Rights attorney and senior lecturer (equivalent to a full professor) at the University of Chicago Law School for 12 years. Other than that he was an elected official or candidate for office. But for people who hate, it just doesn't sound as bad to say he was a Civil Rights attorney or Law School scholar in Constitutional Law, so the right never quite gets around to mentioning it.

2) Obama has never considered himself a Chicagoan. He is Hawaiian. Period. That's where he was born and raised and where his natal family resides. He married a Chicagoan and therefore has roots there by marriage. There is a vast difference between where one resides and where one considers home. He usually goes to Chicago for Thanksgiving to be with Michelle's family, but otherwise goes to Hawaii for Christmas and on vacation. But for the people who hate, you never hear them talk about Obama being a corrupt Hawaiian.

3) Obama's racial attitudes are very much what one would expect of a Hawaiian. Hawaii is a unique state in that there are a lot of different Oriental cultures and all sorts of races represented there. Interracial marriage is the most common in Hawaii because race matters so little. There are so few Blacks in Hawaii that the local rednecks have to hate native Hawaiians and other Polynesians. The righties there want to "ship them all back to Samoa." It's kind of like North Dakota where there are so few Blacks that the rednecks are forced to hate American Indians. Hawaiians tend to be very racially tolerant at worst and value cultural diversity at best. Trying to cast him as a Chicagoan is simply an attempt by the right to cast him as culturally Black.

4) The whole notions of Obama being a Muslim, of him being weak on defense, of him not being an American citizen, etc are nothing more that the way that cowardly people attack him when they do not have the cajones to use the "n-word" that they use around the trailer park. To a certain set of people, they have cast their social status so insecurely that any Black man with power is an affront to their only claim to status, that they were born white.

I really get tired of the name-calling. But when you spread the "commuity organizer" BS along with the other misinformation it is tantamount to lying. And people who tell lies are still called liars. Maybe it should become the GOL instead of the GOP.

Hey Chris here are some facts about Obama that you can't rebut with stupid senseless points!

1) NDAA...Look this up!...Do you know what it means? NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT. It basiclly means that the Government can detain (with no trial or due process) US citizens on just suspicion of Terrorism! Good-by 8th amendment...He continues to chip away at our rights in the name of WAR on terrorism. REALLY? YOU SUPPORT THAT????!!!

2)Goldmen Sachs...Second largest contributor to Obama and Romeny campaigns! Who do you think they are working for?? FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!

3)MF Global and Jon Corizine...MF Glogal contributed $800K to Obama's first Presidential campaign.... Ok got it? Then MF Global couldn't account for over 1.7 billion customer deposits!

Jon corrizine was on tap to head the US treasury for the Obama second term till he came under investigation for the lost customer deposits ($1.7 billion!!!) at MF Global. At that point he states to the senate sub-community that he had no clue where it all went! Jon Corrizine<----Obama buddy!!!

4)Solyndra...$535 million mess up! What a joke in judgment!!

5) Gas prices have more than doubled since he has taken office!

6) Home prices have continued its downward trend since he has taken office! HAMP was a joke! The settlement is even more of a joke!

I guess this is the part where you Obama people say "he inherited a bad situation"

Well he has not made anything better since taking office it has only got worse!

7) Has not balanced the budget since being elected!

8)Cash for cluckers!<---Remember that? It's ok I'll remind you...$3 billion, just to shift car sales forward a few months

Look at the results of the Obama programs. A few have performed better than expected... the auto bailouts, although a rapid private bankruptcy was preferable and GM and Chrysler are not yet denationalized successes.

But the failed stimulus bill cost $280,000 per jobs...over five times median pay...according the Obama administration's inflated estimates of jobs "created or saved," and much more using more realistic estimates.

Dodd-Frank financial reform law institutionalized too big to fail !!!!

Obama himself said in his acceptance speech when he took office that he would be a one term president if he didn't get our national budget in order.... Well he didn't, so he should be fired!!

Please step away from the Obama tea! Please look beyond the headlines!

I am an independent voter!!!!

I challenge anyone to rebut these facts!

US Citizen detention

The White House released rules Tuesday evening waiving the most controversial piece of the new military detention law, and exempting U.S. citizens, as well as other broad categories of suspected terrorists. Indefinite military detention of Americans and others was granted in the defense authorization bill President Barack Obama signed just before Christmas, sparking a storm of anger from civil libertarians on the left and right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/indefinite-military-deten_n_1308129.html

In 2002 Halliburton was awarded a 7 billion dollar contract for which only Halliburton was allowed to bid. The very same company headed from 1995 to 2000 by Dick Cheney.

BTW - Vice President Dick Cheney’s stock options in Halliburton rose from $241,498 in 2004 to over $8 million in 2005, an increase of more than 3,000 percent, as Halliburton continues to rake in billions of dollars from no-bid/no-audit government contracts.

POLITICO: George W. Bush made it cool to be a bundler, giving big-time donors nicknames like “Pioneers” and “Rangers” that carried a certain gravitas in political circles.

Texas oilmen, CEOs, lobbyists and others who could get their friends to kick in checks that added up to $100,000 or more were part of an elite club that came with special access, perks and bragging rights in Washington.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72852.html

The all-time Nation average for gas prices was in the summer of 2008 @ $4.11. They only dropped by year end because of the economic collapse.

Production is up (9 year high) and demand is down (15 year low) so both should result in a price drop. The real problems come from the Middle East, refinery production (shut downs) and speculators.

If you want to bring the price of oil down then stop all the talk about going to war with Iran.

The only President to balance a budget in modern history was Clinton.

Budgets do not control spending bills do. The Republican controlled Congress just last December passed spending bill for $1.3 trillion more than projected receipts – Why?

Let's not forget to mention how little of substance any of the GOP threesome in the hunt for the heart of dixie are saying. It's basically, Obama is awful, he's trying to destroy religion and America, and grits and fried food are great. It's mean first and then corn pone. These guys are pathetic clowns. And note that nobody is criticizing Rush Limbaugh in dixie. Why they would love to drink a glass of milk sprinkled with cornbread with Rush in Mississippi. Rush is so good at racism and sexism and intolerance in general that he is the bomb in Alabama and Mississippi. It's get stupid time in the South. Talk about "federal guvment interference" and good people "down heuh" that believe in God and country and Big Oil even when Big Oil craps in your backyard. But as a person with Appalachian roots myself (and all the barriers to progressive policies that I witnessed), I know that Mississippi and Alabama's history are proof that "stupid is as stupid does." And they would love to combine with Texas, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina, and West Virginia to give us all a good dose of stupid. They are the base of the GOP (living in the states that take more from the federal government than they give but still lecturing everybody else on the dangers of that dependence). My tough love lecture to them is to eat less hush puppies and educate themselves (and embrace evolution and global wariming). Otherwise their society will continue to look like their backsides (and that ain't pretty).

yeah thought so!!

not one of you have mention anything I brought up! Keep getting off subject! I never mention wanting to go to war with Iran. So easy for you Obama people you pigeon hole me into a Republican! I'm not I'm a Republican I'm an independent who voted for Obama! I feel really betrayed!!

Step away from the Obama tea!

Citizen,

Go ahead and claim victory

Blinded by the Right

Dennis (dunce) I have a shovel ready when you want to dig your head out of the sand!! Or hit yourself with it to smack some sense into your head....I don't care. Just know your life will be much harder at the end of a Obama second term or a Romney Gingrich Santorum presidential term.

Know who and what your voting for!!

Citizen,

That’s your opinion

And you know what they say about opinions

77% of GOP primary voters in Alabama and 69% in Mississippi are born again or evangelicals of evolve. Santorum should win but he will lose because they see he is just to much of a Phony even for them and that's sad. Santorum is weird as a rock floating in the Ocean. How can anyone in their right mind vote for a loser like Santorum is beyond crazy. This guys insanity is dangerous.

Dear Dennis , Of Columbus, Your Left wing spin, and one that the liberals continue to covet. Yes, in fact Clinton, Under a Republican Congress, House and Senate, did balance one budget, It totally left out the debt, payments on the interest of the debt and projected debt. It was like, Only spending what was taken in, Ignoring the payments on the debt and any interest. I was so angry when the republicans did that to make both sides look good. But in you saying that " The only President to balance a budget in modern history was Clinton." Clinton was in office for eight years. AND OUR NATIONS TOTAL National debt went UP 1.580 TRILLION dollars. GOT IT, Our debt increased UPWARDLY by 1.580 TRILLION DOLLARS Look it up, Its a FACT. As for the surplus? How do you claim a surplus when your total increased debt when you leave office is up 1.580 TRILLION dollars? YOU COOK THE BOOKS, lie to the VERY Stupid Public, And you liberals keep quoting this garbage. LOOK IT UP. GET A BRAIN Stop posting LIES. Please leave the LIes ot the Left wing Media like MSNBC and the rest of the lefties.

The first president to break the Trillion dollar debt threshold was Ronald Regan, 1.5 Trillion , breaking Russia, Then came Bush 1, 1.5 Trillion added in four years, For that War in Iraq, Then came clinton, 1.5 Trillion added to the debt in eight years, Then came bush 2, 4.5 TRILLION dollars wasted on two wars, over eight years. Now we have Obama in office a little over (3 Years) His added debt burden is a WOPPING 7 TRILLION DOLLARS, In 3 YEARS, and its not over yet. Do you now see why, the Tea party and the occupy party people are UP IN ARMS? This kind of DEBT CANNOT BE SERVICED, And the real debt is now over 65 TRILLION Dollars in unfunded OBLIGATIONS, thats over a half a million dollars per PERSON in the entire nation, Of which half of these PEOPLE are either two young or to old to work and pay the half a million. so you can say the working class are on the hooks for a MILLION dollars each. This does not include the present taxes due to keep the system running? Can you how GREECE got in trouble, Thier debt was 300 BILLION, Total. WOW. Sleep tight tonight.

Patriotic Amercan, Have you ever purchased any American Cars? EVERY. Have you ever voted for anything other then a Democrat? Heck I even voted for Carter, one time. How many Govt or union pensions are you now receiving? Etc. Etc. The list goes on and on.

greg,

[National debt went UP 1.580 TRILLION dollars. GOT IT, Our debt increased]

In real dollars due to inflation but it decreased as a percent of GDP – the figure that is a more accurate because it eliminates inflation.

When Reagan took office we were on track to pay off all of our National debt by about the year 2000. Thanks to his spending while cutting taxes (much like Bush Jr.) by 1992 our national debt had increased from 37% of GDP to 69% of GDP.

Dennis

Obama has increased our national debt $1.7 trillion per year since in office! Please look this up!! We'll be $18 trillion in the hole by the end of 2013. Have you even looked at his budget proposal???? That is the most ever in history that has been added by 1 president!!

Put down the Obama tea!! Please!

Citizen: I'll respond to several of your specific points:

1) NDAA...Look this up!...Do you know what it means? NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT. It basiclly means that the Government can detain (with no trial or due process) US citizens on just suspicion of Terrorism! Good-by 8th amendment...He continues to chip away at our rights in the name of WAR on terrorism. REALLY? YOU SUPPORT THAT????!!!

For everyone’s panic over this being passed, have we seen an Orwellian nightmare of epic proportions emerge from it? Has the government started to come and take people away? NO. Even you crazy, Obama-slandering nutjobs haven’t been detained, have you? Just because they can, doesn’t mean they will.

The only threat I see regarding the NDAA is that a Republican will come back into power – because if we had someone like Cheney, for instance, you can bet that your worst fears would come to pass.

4)Solyndra...$535 million mess up! What a joke in judgment!!

Obama took a “risk” – like a good businessman does at times, by the way – and tried to make an effort to explore alternative energy and jump-start that industry to move us in broader energy directions. And it definitely did not work out as hoped. But was it really the first business venture that ended up not being the greatest idea? Hindsight is 20/20. At least he made an effort. How much money did Bush blow on the WMD myth? There is always going to be waste. But other Presidents for some reason don’t get nitpicked with a fine-toothed comb.

5) Gas prices have more than doubled since he has taken office!

And the oil/gas industry LOVES the Republicans because they are the party that perpetuates policies that work in that industry’s favor. But not only were gas prices at over $4/gallon BEFORE Obama took office, I honestly feel very little surprise that gas prices continue to rise in an effort to make Obama look bad. Look at your Republican candidates, talking so tough on Iran, which furthers the cause of the speculators over potential upset in the region. Blame the industry, not Obama; oh wait, I forgot – anything to make Obama look bad, right? Wasn’t that the Republican goal the second Obama got elected?

6) Home prices have continued its downward trend since he has taken office! HAMP was a joke! The settlement is even more of a joke!

*Sigh* You know, for everything Obama has tried to pass, the Republicans have blocked and argued incessantly over things like “less regulation of the free market” until concession were made. So there is less regulation, and GEE WHIZ the banks continue to take advantage, because there’s nothing to stop them. But by all means, let’s not interfere with the free market, it will fix itself, right? That's worked really well thus far. Obviously, it's Obama's fault, right? LOL

I started out being unaffiliated, with no love for either party. And while I still don't have great love for either party (being comprised of politicians, after all), everything I have read from the left and right has only pushed me more towards the left mind-set, which I honestly find to be more central than left most of the time. I find that the left never speaks in absolutes, is always willing to concede points and willing to reach compromises, while the right only sees the world in absolutes, and operates with obstinate ignorance to anything but what they have chosen to believe. There's really no point in arguing with ignorance, it's like trying to walk through a brick wall. So you might think you're independent, but you've been drinking too much Faux tea since you voted Obama. The fact that you could ever think that a country run by Romney, Santorum or Gingrich would be a good thing, shows that handily.

greg berry, I'm an Independent, I did vote for the GOP at one time, I stop voting for the GOP when the Tea Retards started destroying the Party. I'm retired and a vet from 1962. Everything l own is American or the next best would be American Controlled. need any more info, let me know. See you !

phine, I don't think Mark and Domenico liked the fact that opposing views topped the comment section today so they decided to start a new First Thoughts Thread for consenting views.

Of course, you knew someone was going to call shenanigans...thanks for not disappointing.

Oh, and don't even think of shutting one of the threads down lest we hear cries of CENSORSHIP!

WCA,

LOL! I have missed seeing you around the boards (I don't hang out much here any more myself) Love, your direct, to the point comments!

Heard some interesting thoughts on Romney this morning about his relationship with his father and his relationship with dealing with the general public. He really doesn't like the rope line. Odd for a politician, don't you think?

Jesus Noid, lighten up.

Hey phine. Hope all is well with you, we've been having some Florida weather up here. I am loving it.

Don't know about Romney and the public I hear his father was a beloved Governor in Michigan (well before my time). I guess sometimes growing up in the shadow of such an enormously loved personality can effect you?

WCA,

Hubby watched the interview with me this morning. Both of us thought the same thing, notice most of our president's seem to have father issues. Names of presidents with father issues just off the top of our head, John Quincy Adams, Lincoln, JFK, Bush II, and even Obama. Interesting historical thoughts, eh?

Well lookeee there noid. No need to worry. Looks like the Libs have dealt with this mornings little problem all by themselves.

Collapsing dissenting views.

How very damn liberal of all of you.

Let's see how long it takes for them to get restored.......

As usual Damage got his post wrong. What he meant to say and is the truth is, "Wait and see what happens if you people succeed (with Husseins backing) in silencing the only righties on the air telling their lies and making stuff up.

BTW Damage: Limbaugh is working at getting Limbaugh off the air. All we have to do is stand back and watch him self destruct.

Same copy/paste from #2 (above) and still no citing the source! Why? Are you afraid its unreliable, slanted, biased, full of sh*t?

WCA, the first FT had liberals first so your argument is debunked. This second one had conservative posters leading the conversation.

Boy was that a confusing mess this morning. I wasn't sure what was going on. But I did read your first posts Jody and they were spot on as usual.

Rob,

"Voters understand that while Keystone would have little short term impact on gas prices, not passing the measure is simply anti-american and anti-free market."

What is the price of gas in MA? Here in MN , it is $3.59 if you pay cash at my local station. Why the difference from midwest to east coast?
It has to do with oil infrastructure. Beyond the high global oil price , taxes ,transportation and refinery industry add to the cost.

On the east coast you have access to Europe/Africa crude oil. This Brent oil has a $25.00 "fear preminum " due to speculation by oil traders. Add to the price your state and the fed tax of 18.4cents. Add the shutdown of refineries in PA and others running at 4% less than capacity.
Here in the midwest, refineries use both WTC and heavy oil form Canada, Gulf of Mexico and South America. In MN , the Pine Bend refinery uses Canada oil . It is running at capacity. I would love to ship some of our gas to you, but currently the US has only 35 Jones Act tankers in US waters.

The building of the Keystone new pipleline is the least of your free market worries.

WCA, the first FT had liberals first so your argument is debunked

If WCA didn't have something to bitch about, he wouldn't have anything to say...

I find it ironic that liberals are collapsed at least twice the rate of conservatives, but they are the ones who are always screaming the loudest!

Especially the idiot from Albany, first he begs to be collapsed then whines like a school girl when his wish is granted! lol

Morons!

Ha, Feisty -- Do you ever hear WCA complain when the left's posts are collapsed? Heck no. The first thread is collapsed several times a day. Today he's yelling "conspiracy". Too funny!

Same copy/paste from #2 (above) and still no citing the source!

Glad your so impressed with my skills

Interesting post, Phine. You got nerve, seeing how all your friends here think Southerners are all Klan members. Except YOU, of course. You must be THE "smart southerner." They'll ridicule and rag on Southerners all day long and, in the next thread, praise the "Troops" to high heaven. Nevermind that a LARGE % of the "troops" are Southern White Males.

It is also interesting to see how many of those troops that are gay are always "Democrat", right Damage? Only Macho Bravado Troops are Republican. The hypocrisy!

You people are idiots. Collapsing posts is ridiculous, right or left.

I have said that here many times, but doubt any of you read it since many have me on ignore.

If liberals outnumber Conservatives at a roughly 20:1 ratio, yet posts are collapsed at a liberal to conservative ratio of 2:1, Feisty can you tell me what side is shut down more?

Failed again Feisty. But that's just a normal day for you.

Maybe one of your buds with some math background can do the cypherin' for you....

Rob in MA,

I apologize for my double posts. I thought I lost the first one, could not find it on FR. So sent a second one.

As to my source. I spent about one hour last night doing a little research on the web. My numbers and my facts are from a number of sources.My goal was to understand the big picture of oil to the gas pump.

Feel free to check them out.

www.ibtimes.com; www.examiner.com;www.hpj (High Plain/Midwest Ag Journal; Forbes magazine 3/8/12;www.utrg.com;Business Week 2/23/12; WSJ 3/12/12

The Business Week article discusses the various US refineries and the source of their oil.

Enjoy your reading and have a nice day. I am off to work. Check back with you later.

I find it ironic that liberals are collapsed at least twice the rate of conservatives, but they are the ones who are always screaming the loudest!

carrot top is again posting more fictitious facts. Her lies are on par with the presidents lies.... unfortunately his lies harm the country, and carrot tops lies are mostly ignored!

Failed again Feisty. But that's just a normal day for you.

I rest my case... lol

If WCA didn't have something to bitch about, he wouldn't have anything to say...

carrot top is again posting more fictitious facts

Get back to me when you somehow become relevant... ;o)

Until then, go back to being 'seldom seen' is suits you much better!

Irespond,

I only speak for myself, no one else. I don't know why the attack on me. I am more than aware of our sons and daughters fighting and dying for this country. I really don't get your point.

Someone call the WHAMBULANCE! The whiners want to post first; but then don't like it when the first poster gets collapsed,...

I am laughing a little because the whiners act like this isn't a REGULAR occurence on this site for whomever gets the First post up. Seems to me if they can't handle the heat, perhaps they should stay out of the kitchen, eh?

I think he was quoting, and responding to, a post by the troll, Damage (7.2).

Anyone else under the impression that Mr. Bill Fairfux is paid by the word?

He cartainly doesn't write anything of substance...

I am more than aware of our sons and daughters fighting and dying for this country. I really don't get your point.

It is very clear: Republicans only like the military when it suits their agenda. Let's remember how they "booed"that gay soldier that was asking questions in the debate. Also, The Veterans only get remember by Republicans on Veteran's day, and they throw a BS speech. How about giving some $$$ instead of medals?

Most veterans would agree: Less rhetoric and more help. Bush and Cheney are totally ignoring the vets that fought 10 miserable years in Iraq. Not even a Thank you Note from them.

That is my point....

People that b*tch about MSNBC being biased but continue to visit it confuse me.

You know that they get more ad revenue the more 'hits' their site gets, right? You want to make a statement? Don't visit the site.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, conservatives still swallow what their "news" sources tell them, which is that liberals lie.

Meanwhile, every study done has shown that the conservative "news" sources, in particular Fox News, do in fact lie, repeatedly and consistently, and their viewers are more ignorant of the facts than any other news source. They even had that recent gaffe where the idiot on their morning show showed their hand by reading the republican memo on talking points to mess with Obama out loud. They try to hammer in their points by repetition rather than because they are backed by facts.

So we have conservatives that listen to proven liars, sit here and point to liberals as a bunch of liars. It's kind of hilarious, in a sad, pathetic way.

Feisty -- Bill's posts are fill with a lot buts and hot air. ; )

Transplants like myself have practically taken over the South . The second Northern invasion.

Thanks to failed liberal policies in Norther states, a mass migration has occurred. The Old South is long gone, except in the delusions of snotty Northern liberals.

Bob,

There are still more true southerners around than you realize (especically in the rural areas). Heck, some of them work for the hubby!

Yes, no offense to native Southerners.

But the Southern stereotype of white trash racist Cletus with overalls and a still, living in the trailer home and married to his cousin, is only a reality on the Simpsons...

Give it a rest. Southerners are no more falsely stereotyped than Iowans, Texans, Kansans, or people from Illinois, not to mention all Chicago residents are crooks and New Jersey folks are Tony Soprano. I read many negative stereoptyping remarks here about Iowans during the lead up to the caucus as well as after. It goes with the territory.

I wonder how the campaigns feel when they see their supporters putting down whole voting blocks in a close election year? Southerners, blacks, Latinos, women, Catholics, etc. Just wondering......................

people from Illinois, not to mention all Chicago residents are crooks and New Jersey folks are Tony Soprano

Good point Jody!

You don't see Bev or I bellyaching about it!

It's called P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S and it is a contact sport - can't take the heat, best to get out of the kitchen!

Jody, good to hear you say that Texans and Kansans are unfairly stereotyped. I'm gonna remember that the next time (Hell, could even be as early as today) you lefties rag on Texas as a state full of stupid people, the next time I hear you or anyone else say Kansans "vote against their own self interests, or we see David "Sniff Sniff" Walker complain about having to live in a state full of people that re inferior to him.

Give it a rest. Southerners are no more falsely stereotyped than

Well said Jody, and not to mention the mockery of loony Californians. Posters on this site that pray we collapse into the ocean. Talk about mean stereotyping, at least we don't 'pray' for the death of fellow Americans, even though the mockers are rather low in the IQ department (snark). As Feisty says, can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Red- Because of L.A. and especially San Francisco, myself and many others don't even consider California to be part of the USA anymore. Is there a way that geologists could just saw off those two cities so the next earthquake can just carry them away? That would be pretty cool.

You have no idea how long I have been waiting for the poll down below.

I can't tell you how many libbies on this site have said...

"I'm doing much better today than four years ago thanks to obama" blah, blah, blah

Well, guess what? You are in a very slim miniority....

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/293296/mere-80-say-theyre-not-better-four-years-ago

In Western Pennsylvania we used to be stereotyped as "shot and a beer" steelworkers. Sadly we lost that stereotype with the collapse of the steel industry. That is what has seemed funny to me with Mitt going to different parts of the country and reciting a stereotype about them----grits in the South, cars in Michigan. We know he won't come to Western Pa. and be a Steeler's fan since he knows the owners of the Dolphins and the Jets.

80 PERCENT!!!

80 percent think aren't any better off now than when Bush left office!!!!!!

That is the poll to end all polls.

Obama is going to get slammed YIKES!

Whatever happened to the idea we are all Americans - not part of an interest group or voting block?

Whatever happened to the idea we are all Americans

Voters mistakenly elected a President that does believe nor promote American values.

That's what happened.

Rob,

Both sides play to special interest groups. Stop all the partisan crap and be honest. The GOP plays to white, evangelical, the left to minorities. And both try and move to the center for the independents. So, no holier than thou stuff - at least with me.

Why are Canadians different from Americans? Because we know we are.:-)

I love Canadians! (Except for the little old lady with Ontario plates who almost ran over me yesterday).

So, no holier than thou stuff - at least with me.

George Bush for all his foibles met with Ted Kennedy his first week in office to get no child left behind going. George Bush allocated more money to fight AIDS in Africa than anyone on the planet. He spent money like a democrat left and right. Medicare part d?

He truly made an effort to unite Americans then the wars came along and the libbies went off the rails. Bush did a lot wrong in my view. He was not a fiscal conservative. And the left had their hands out every step of the way. But what I look to most is Leadership skills in a President. Bush had them Obama does not.

Here's what George Bush said after Saddam Hussein was captured....

"The success of yesterday's mission is a tribute to our men and women now serving in Iraq. The operation was based on the superb intelligence analysts who found the dictator's footprints in a vast country. The operation was carried out with skill and precision by a brave fighting force."

Here's what Barack Obama said after Bin Laden was killed....

"I directed (the cia) to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority." "I met repeatedly with my national security team." "I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and I authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden"

How can you not see a difference in leadership acumen? We need leadership in this country.

Phine, she may have thought hunting season was open ... nothing like a southern yank strapped to the hood as token of one's stay.

Rob in ma-3189632 ... stop with the bs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNkyjDvdKmk&feature=related

LOL! Oh dear lord, Ideology, that was funny!!!! I needed a good laugh! (I will also be a little more careful around those with Ontario plates until snowbird season is over!)

The difference, Rob, is that Bush had illegally invaded Iraq and the capture of Saddam was tainted by his lies while Obama was being thoughtful and telling the truth about accomplishing a mission that was more important than, and had preceded, the dishonest attack on Iraq. That is a clear test of leadership and Bush failed miserably because of his dishonesty while Obama succeeded because he was focused and clear on the original mission. How can you not see the difference? Blinded by a failed ideology, perhaps?

How about these recent statement from Obama on Iran....

"I reserve all options.....My policy is not containment....My policy is to prevent Iran from obtaining weapons of mass destruction".

For Bush or any other war President that I can remember military victories were a collective effort and the source of shared national pride. For Obama, they are occasions for personal bravado. The man had a narcissistic personality disorder. All you have to do is listen to the man.

Rob in ma-3189632 ... if you spend your life looking for imperfections you will find them everywhere. Eventually you will stare into the abyss of a wasted life and the abyss will stare back at you.

You know, all this love between the left and the right has left me with such a warm, fuzzy feeling I think I shall go to the beach and commune with nature.

Rob in ma-3189632 ... stop with the bs

Here's how obama talks when he's not surrounded by troops....

http://real-agenda.com/2011/05/02/obama-takes-credit-for-killing-of-bin-laden/

OK Phine ... just don't disturb the snowbirds. They have a few more hours to go before the early bird specials and tummies are rumbling.

illegally invaded Iraq

Spare me. Bush had the consent of congress for both military actions unlike Obama and Libya.

Bush gained that consent by fabricating evidence and lying to Congress about WMDs that, following the invasion, were determined not to have existed as Bush had claimed. You seem to have a very selective memory.

Not to mention the famous yellow cake incidents that Rob has chosen to forget.

so you want general powell in the clink too?

give it up libtards

You can bury your head in the sand, Rob, but the facts remain that the US invaded Iraq on false evidence and outright lies perpetrated by Bush. His lies were exposed following the fall of Hussein's government and an extensive search of the country by the CIA and UN. Both of whom, following their investigations, announced there was no evidence of WMDs in Iraq to justify Bush's illegal invasion. This was no merely "oops moment": a bloody war was waged against a sovereign nation (whether you liked them or not) on false pretenses. You are supporting the actions of liars and murderers, and that says a lot about your character, Rob.

How about this liar....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs

And how about this liar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH93UlGHBfk

And then of course ALL these liars...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Kerry was using false information fed to him by your dishonest president, Rob. And Clinton did not find it necessary to invent evidence to invade the country, did he? In fact, high ranking military officers felt Clinton's policy of containment was working well with Iraq, and Bush's obsession with invading was not justified. You are dragging irrelevant YouTube videos into this discussion to provide weak support for your completely untenable position. Again, please refer to the CIA and UN reports that clearly showed the nonsense that Bush (not Clinton or Kerry) was waving around was absolutely untrue and resulted in the tragically unnecessary deaths of thousands of American soldiers...of course, you don't care about them, though, do you?

Failure, Rob be thy name.

How about this exposure of Bush's lies?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3718150.stm

Or this one, in which the following quote can be found:

"A comparison of the CIA draft white paper with its publicly released edition shows that all the changes made were in the nature of strengthening its charges against Iraq by inserting additional alarming claims, in the manner of an advocacy, or public relations document."

In other words, the information had been doctored.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB254/index.htm

Or this?

http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/

It was an illegal war, Ron, and Bush is a war criminal.

even though Clinton and just about every intelligence agency in the world thought Iraq had WMD before Bush took office it doesn't matter.

okay, sailcat good luck with your war criminal trials

Our own generals didn't believe Bush's wild claims and their information was coming from our military intelligence, Rob. You can't lie your way out of this one.

You're right about one thing, though. Bush will probably never be brought to justice despite the evidence. Shame.

The two polls also showed that more than 50% think the president can do "a lot" to control gas prices. That number indicates that either a majority of the public wants a Socialist dictator who can command prices to drop, or they're just abjectly ignorant. Whatever the case, the only way such people could elect a "better" president is by accident.

UAWpleeese:

In 2004, I had to bite my lip, hold my nose and vote for the idiot Bush because Kerry was far worse. That was an unfortunate situation. In this case I might agree with you but then we would both be wrong. The GOP lineup is a bad clown circus. Can you honestly take any of these people seriously? Can you honestly say that you want these parasites holding the wheel of your ship? America had enough of eight years of the Bush conspiracy. Our president is cleaning up a mess so large that no president in American History has been challenged to this degree. He is doing a commendable job despite the den of vipers on the far right and in the lobby pool. Any prediction about one of these goof balls winning is laughable.

Since a lot of education funding has been cut, somehow I doubt the intelligence of what you posted UAW... I doubt it for other reasons too but that's one of the main ones. Republicans think we need to cut all education spending. What kind of country would we live in if people who can't afford private schools (the grand majority of Americans) had to be home schooled by their undereducated parents? Just the kind of Conservative utopia where everyone votes Republican because your parents did and they taught you all they know... very little. Listen, I was brought up by two undereducated parents and if I'd have had to depend on them for my education I would be totally without any skills beyond needlepoint and how to repair cars (poorly).

MGates, can you provide where education funding has been cut? Nationwide, education funding has grown far faster than the rate of inflation with both Clinton and Bush expanding funding tremendously. Obama certainly has bailed out various states with additional funding to state and local budgets so not sure where education funding has been cut. Can you provide where you think thats the case? Since most education funding is done at the local level, not sure where you get the idea that the GOP wants to eliminate funding. In fact, the GOP is a huge proponent of education reform while being stopped by the democrats and their union brethren at every turn. So far its really been the democrats that have prevented education from allowing the huge increase in education spending over the last 20 years to be used for the betterment of students.

Amen, MGates! Amen!

Here are the latest polls that reflect attitudes about a Romney vs. Obama matchup. Obama still is in the lead overall, but UAW would do well to remember President Obama has yet to campaign in earnest while Romney has been squandering tens of millions of dollars over the last several months merely to squeak an extremely close victory in the GOP primaries (if, indeed, he actually wins the primary race). It would seem UAW is grasping at straws here.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

The Gallup “Daily Tracking Poll” has our President right-side-up the last 5 days in-a-row and 7 of the last 10 days.

Congress remains deeply unpopular with the American public, but Democrats continue to fare better than Republicans, according to the Post/ABC poll. The poll found a particularly wide gap among women, 39% approve of Democrats, compared to only 26% for Republicans.

Women favor the Democrats by a 3 to 2 margin – that could be a big problem come November.

Women are likely to favor democrats even more when they find out the republican plan to return women to the dark ages as second class citizens.

Yes, the republican taliban doesn't think women are smart enough to decide about her own body. So they are planning on passing laws such as the person-hood amendment that is so radical that the republicans could not even get it passed in ultra conservative Mississippi. And yet every one of the republican presidential nominees have signed on to supporting the passing of the person-hood amendment.

If you thought the vaginal probe laws were bad, wait till you see what the republicans have planned for women next.

Rush said it best with all the republicans support that women who stand up to men are sluts.

For true freedom, VOTE---Obama/Biden 2012

I see the Me Firster's can FINALLY get on board; but only when there are 'double' standards?

All it takes is a *hiccup*...

Get ready for four more years backfire. There's nothing you tea people GOP Koch republicans can do about it, except complain.

Dick Morris said as much last night. He said he now supported Romney, because the only winner from a long primary fight until the Convention is Obama.

Romney/McDonnell 2102.

Now the republicans have a choice vaginal probe McDonnell or Rick Perry the vaginal probe governor of Texas.

What ever their choice they plan on stickin' it to women one way or another.

Yes the republicans are against mandated health coverage but are all for mandated unnecessary medical procedures. This is the genius you hold up to high esteem?

VOTE---Obama/Biden 2012

Bob in Virginia - anything you have to say is immediately undermined by the fact that your avatar icon is McD VP. Really?

Americans First - well said! They only like mandates that they come up with. They also justify persecuting people with their religion by claiming their religion is being persecuted if people try to stop them from persecuting. It's dizzying.

If they don't do something about the illegals here, we will all have to learn Spanish. And we won't have to move to be in Mexico or South America.

If you want someone who talks one story and votes another then Ron Paul is your man.

He claims to be all for individual freedom, but that is only if you are a man. Ron Paul has signed another pledge and this time it is about denying women the freedom of choice with signing on to the person-hood amendment.

Ron wants everyone to run free with no regulations except for women. Republicans don't think women are smart enough to decide for herself, we need a man like Paul to tell us what to do.

Vote for freedom for women, vote---Obama/Biden 2012

We are not and never were on a path to victory in Iraq OR Afghanistan.

Neither war was any more winnable than Vietnam was. That is why our active servicemen contributed more money to Ron Paul than any other candidate.

Path to victory??? Mission Accomplished???

You are delusional.

I could live with Ron Paul as well. I doubt he could get elected though.

I say this with as much respect as I can muster -- Ron Paul has delusions of relevance. He is the Ralph Nader of the right. In Ron's defense, I don't get the impression that he runs just to line his pockets like ol' Ralph did, but I could be wrong about that. I realize this is probably a futile request, but please try not to be all butthurt when the vote tallies in November show Dr. Paul as a minute, barely detectable blip on the national radar. If as many people supported him as his supporters think or claim, he'd be voted into the presidency in a landslide. Reality, about which said supporters are in firm denial, shows otherwise. The REVOLution is a sham. I apologize for anyone offended by this post, but it's the truth.

UAW...... What kind of stuff do you smoke??????? You have no brain cells left!!!!

It will also be hard for Americans not to notice that the Republican choices are too frightening to contemplate. Can you give me an example of any redeeming quality in any of the candidates, other than the tired "they're not Obama"?

Do you think that Ron Paul with his stupid caucus campaign has anthing to do with his abysmal showing?

USHonor, The Bridge to nowhere was on a Alaska Island, Santorum support for that was a Abortion. This is one of the reasons why the people of Pennsylvania kicked him out.

To USHonor---tunnel vision is a bad way torun your life or politics--Lets agree---Romney and Santorum are going to get their Tribal vote, no matter what.

Either person can be turned off. Those that listen to Limbaugh do so because they want to and in most cases, agree with what he stands for. Those who watch and listen to Maher, much the same. The only difference between the two is the fact that Limbaugh is the "voice of conservatism" if you subscribe to that. That is the major reason for the outrage on one side and not the other. It depends on what jersey you wear as to the degree of outrage and need for public apology.

I'm going to go ahead and agree with you on most of your points here.

I, however, do watch that crazy Bill Maher on Real Time. Recently, we cut back on our expenses so we cut HBO out of the budget and I miss his crass rants like crazy!!! He is definitely not an ascriber to the notion that one must be politically correct but, like you said, he's a comedian and none of them are. He is lewd and sometimes crosses the line but I've never really liked who didn't.

He might attack certain people's beliefs about religion and politics but this does not make him a political commentator. What's interesting about him is that he doesn't like bullies and will defend those bullied with vicious attacks on the bully doing the damage. He is usually defending women and minority members in his attacks, which doesn't justify what he said (like I said he crosses the line even for me sometimes) about that particular woman or any woman. I don't know that Limbaugh has ever honestly defended anyone (even when I used to listen to him and he wasn't totally crazy) for any reason and especially not women.

Also, this was a three day tirade during which time he said some more distasteful things than "slut" like proposing that if she wants others to pay for her to have sex she should put the videos on youtube. [paraphrasing] "She has so much sex she can barely walk". Etc etc. You get the idea. It was malicious and meant to tear this woman down. It was much worse than one statement.

MGates: "He is definitely not an ascriber to the notion that one must be politically correct"

I know - don't people remember his first show - it was called POLITICALLY INCORRECT, yet people are for some reason shocked by his comments? It cracks me up.

I also loved "Religulous" - and for those that sit here and say the founding fathers wanted America to be a Christian nation......they should check out the quotes Maher has from the founding fathers about their views on religion. It doesn't seem like they were for a religious nation to me.

Thanks for parroting the daily democrat liberal talking points you get from thinkprogress and HuffPost..

Eh.

The far right suffered a psychotic break with reality around 2008.

In 2012, they're showing that they haven't been to the shrink yet.

I feel really bad for the moderate republicans, though. Those guys are looking at 3 soup-sandwiches. Their only legitimate contender is getting beat up by the crazies every single day.

They must really hate Obama to go to the polls on November 6. I don't think too many have that much hate in them.

Thank you Bob for supporting the party that is against mandating health care but is all for mandating unnecessary medical procedures.

Sounds a little crazy to us with brains.

Hey Fancy.

Last time I checked, our sons and daughters were fighting and dying for this country. I was just saying how some feel, didn't say it was me. But, considering the way you yankess talk about us, maybe it is you who are part of the problem.........................

Fancy This Too ... Fancy this first ... you missed the tongue in cheek humor of Phine's post. Yank you need to doodle, not diddle.

Fancy This Too

I have now seen it all. Phine is a wonderful, woman. Just a tad bit liberal/progressive for me politically wise but we have great communication between the two of us and I believe she has the same with many other right leaning people on this board. To insult her like you did calling her a secessionist stereotype is pure BS. I suggest you apologize to her real quick.

Also can you tell us what your statement "Far lower rates for college educated workers means something" actually means? Does it mean if you don't have a college degree you can't possibly be smart and a good butt sniffing liberal? A complete insult to all non college educated US individuals.

And by the way, the South did not lose the war. When we found out why you were fighting and that you weren't after our women, we went home.

You know, at this point I am seriously considering voting for Bill the Cat (Bloom County by Berkley Breathed). All this political nonsense is getting on my nerves! LOL!

phinephancy-4252115

Glad to see you dear. I too am frequenting this site much less for much the same reasons as you I suspect. That guy Fancy This Too is a real jerk and personifies my reasons in a nutshell. Poor civil discourse on both sides. A real waste of my time.

Don't let the jokers bother you. You are a good woman and a Phine poster!!

Phew, finally something for posters to agree on ... Phine is Fine.

I personally like Opus myself--I really miss that comic strip

Thanks! Just read a post above talking about the nerve I had to post about southerners. Irespond posted it. Does anyone know what he/she is talking about? I haven't a clue. In that thread, I was talking about father issues that previous presidents had.

Boy oh boy, trying to be pleasant and reasonable must be a lost art to some. I just don't get it.

Kirk,

Opus was my hero! Hubby even has the collection of Bloom County books that once a year we both end up reading. Funny thing, they are as apropos today as when they were written in the 1980's. Goes to show, politics never changes!

Talk to the Hand,

The prettiest and most graceful women in the country reside in the south!! My husband always tells people that he recommends cajun women! I love it!

I was in college when I first started laughing to Opus and the gang. I also have several of his collected works. Of course, I was one of those idealistic college kids who thought John Anderson was the new best third party candidates so had to vote for him as both Carter and Reagan were not cool. Its true politics never change and but just like real life, you grow up and mature and realize that idealogues on both sides of the political spectrum are bad but just like this blog, they make up the most passionate of supporters.

Kirk,

You are truly wise and perceptive!

Thats not generally how this blog perceives me ha. I am socially liberal but fiscally conservative so I am critical of many of Obama's fiscal policies so I get personally attacked all the time. Its funny to be on a blog and get attacked and be called a ringwing nut or tea something or other when I thought Bush was the worst president of all time and I loved Clinton. People I work with would laugh thinking someone thinks I am right wing. I give Obama credit where its due but I have found on this blog you really cant have an honest sharing of views and opinions. Its much easier to get on an alumni blog where people are much more respectful and intellectually curious and critically thought out. You would get hammered if you posted something from think progress or a conservative site as thats considered bad form. Here that is standard operating procedure. But to each his own.

Kirk,

Maybe we should tell everyone here we are members of the Meadow Party! That would confuse the heck out of them (like you I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative - there are a few of us that post on this blog that feel that way).

If you folks are fiscally conservative, you really ought to vote for President Obama, as he saved our sorry asses from another Great Depression following the financial crisis of 2008. Can't get much more "fiscally conservative" than that!

I think my computer malfunctioned and somehow I ended up on a web site for Meet your Mate what with all the kissing, hugging and fluffy stuff here.

Real problem is neither party is fiscally conservative :)

Republicans and Democrats both love them some handouts and subsidies. And no one can point to the Republicans and say 'See, THAT was fiscally conservative!' Their politicians talk the game, but they sure don't walk it (Medicare D, unfunded wars, 'deficits don't matter', etc)

I'm too fiscally conservative to make a good Democrat...

but way too socially liberal to ever be a Republican ^.^

So a poor democrat it is!

See what I mean Phine, cant have a nice chat without someone throwing a few bombs. Amy, thats a nice opinion you have as I really dont consider the current state of the economy as being saved. All of those people under or unemployed, the current number of recipients of some sort of government assistance at an all time high and the recipients of $900 billion of government welfare under 70 different programs might disagree with you that they he has saved their "sorry ass". This recession is certainly lasting longer but certainly isnt any worse than the one in the late 70s early 80s. Do you remember 15% unemployment, 20% interest rates, double digit inflation, etc? I do. There is nothing in Obama's policies that were or are fiscally conservative but that doesnt mean that over time his policies dont work out but they certainly arent fiscally conservative. You can be an idealogue and support Obama blindly but those of us who dont share your opinion arent necesarrily worthy of personal attack or even wrong. In addition, not agreeing with Obama's fiscal policies doesnt mean that I am some right wing nut job or support Santorum, Palin or much of the GOP platform. Jody, we certainly could use more of that kissing, hugging and fluffy stuff in here as opposed to the Fiesty method of personal attacks. You might actually find out that we all are nice people.

I think my computer malfunctioned and somehow I ended up on a web site for Meet your Mate

Jody,

What I can't figure out is why those who despise FR & are tired of politics practically live on a left leaning political blog-site...?

Oh, the things that make you go HMMMMM?

Fiesty, since I never practically live on here nor am I tired of politics I assume you are talking about others. But what do you think that HMMMMMM means? Is there another personal attack or snarky comment brewing? You see Fiesty, those of us who like to have actual intellectual stimulation and critical thought debate, dont post on blogs where everyone shares the same view which I realize doesnt apply to many of the left leaning posters who practically live on this site. If you cant honestly and respectfully share different perspectives and experiences, how do you evolve, compromise and learn. I realize you are unable to be respectful of others but that doesnt mean others cant. If you took a deep breath and stopped your hate, you might actually find a few nice people here that dont always share the same opinion as you.

Another Santorum Abortion, the guy is a loser !