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TOPEKA, Kansas -- As he aims to frame the GOP nominating contest as a "two-man race," an aggressive Rick Santorum on Friday attacked rival Mitt Romney as untrustworthy and politically moderate at his core.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we already have one president who doesn’t tell the truth to the American people," he told a crowd of about 250 supporters at a railroad station-turned-museum in Topeka. "We don’t need another nominated by our party to do the same."
Santorum, seeking a strong showing in upcoming Southern primary contests, accused Romney of planning a swift move away from conservative principles if he wins the nomination.
"The Romney campaign can’t wait to get out of this primary," he said. "Guess why? They can start tacking to the middle now, start getting back in the comfort zone."
In his critique, Santorum zeroed in on Romney's backing of mandated health care coverage during his tenure as Massachusetts governor. Romney says he never advocated for such a requirement on a national level, while Santorum pointed to several recently uncovered video clips as evidence to the contrary.
"Washington insider Rick Santorum is lashing out at Mitt Romney because he can’t accept the fact that it’s nearly impossible for him to win the number of delegates needed to secure the Republican nomination," Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul responded, pointing out Santorum's statement in a recent debate that he "took one for the team" in helping pass bipartisan legislation. "This is yet another case of Sen. Santorum abandoning principle for his own political advantage."
Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback made an appearance at the Topeka rally, standing in the back of the audience clad in a sweater vest - a garment frequently worn by the presidential hopeful. Brownback told reporters that his presence was no endorsement but was merely intended to show support for the GOP candidates appearing in the state; he also made a stop at an event held by Ron Paul earlier in the day.
Despite a strong performance expected in this weekend's caucuses in Kansas, Santorum's path to victory over Romney remains hazy.
But Santorum was cheery about that possibility on Friday.
"You know the other day Governor Romney was going through the math of all the delegates and said it would take an act of God for Rick Santorum to get all of the delegates he would need," he said. "Well, I don’t know about him, but I believe in acts of God."
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Tell us something we don't know. He sais what he needs to in order get elected and then he does what benefits his investors the most. Why do you think he didn't run for reelection in Massachusetts and left office with all hard drives in tow? Because he did not steal tax payer money for the benefits of his investors? This man has no patriotic bones in his body. Everything is about making the most for his investors. Up to and including stealing pensions, taking government subsidies, tax cuts (corporate welfare) etc. etc. etc. He even keeps his money (some of it our tax dollars) overseas. He is everything people hate about Capitalism left unregulated.
Both of them need mandatory colonoscopies to see if a brain can be found. And let's throw in a required simultaneous endoscopy while we're at it.
Santorum's greatest fear is that Romney would actually seek independent voters by "tacking to the middle". As if Santorum would not tack to the middle if he were nominated.
Do they let people like you guys vote .... ??
Banks refinanced their debt at zero percent. What did home owners get? We need to give mortgage buyers the same deal that banks got. Namely, zero percent refinancing.
Anchor people in their homes with zero percent refinancing. Otherwise, we will head straight down into abyss.
We have 50 million American Citizens on food stamps. We can do as the Germans did and engineer out way out of this mess with reason and policy based on empirical evidence. Or, we can be governed by religion, emotion, moods, politics, and the other non rational behaviors that dominate American politics. I'm beginning to think that we are collectively too stupid to understand that we are NOT consumers and we aer powerful Citizens.
Remember, YOU are a CITIZEN. NOT a "consumer".
Do they let people like you guys vote .... ??
Yes, they do! Kinda gripes your big butt, doesn't it? How dare they let people who don't agree with me vote, eh? Get used to it! This is America!
I'm letting Obama know what you said .... EEngineer ....
He'll bring back armed Black Panthers to guard our voting stations again ....
I just wish that either "Party" would nominate a candidate for any office, (at any level of Government), Whos first loyalty was the people he/she represents...that would be an "Act Of God"...but I think it may be asking a little to much to expect a politician to tell the truth to anyone about anything...the only reason Santorum or Gingrich is still in the race, is because they are "roadblocks" to the one candidate that could shine the light on the "two-party" substitue for democracy
@sutter99, I think you expect too much from the American people. We ARE consumers, and we largely believe what we are told, and find very little reason to do any research, unbiased or not. Come on, even my 2 year old knows full well that the more colorful box is better than the less colorful ones.
I suggest you lighten up and use our very useful ignorance to just plain not care. There are solutions for energy, health care, and many other things that would make our lives easier that we could find with research and empirical evidence, not to mention becoming more aware of the biases that cloud our minds when doing important research, to make things better.
So in short, just live and don't whine. If we really wanted to solve problems, we would.
bigbenalaska - tell me what was your check from big oil this year? A real socialist and you complain about others? How do you spell hypocrite or did you tghink you earned it - phoney!
There is a fundamental difference between getting paid by business for use of your resources (oil, labor, intellectual persuits...etc)...and getting paid by taxpayers for setting on your "AZZ" and voting for more handouts every year
Great, we have a choice between a crazy bible beating evangelical or a liar....
Oh wait, we do have a reasonable choice. Obama 2012.
Mr Phin, I hate to burst your completely uneducated bubble but on average liberals are more educated than republicans. On average the unemployment rates for college graduates is 4%, the unemployment rates for the uneducated 9%.
Who is looking for the handouts? Unless you are the 1%, they are fooling you into believing that they are interested in your welfare.
I wish Webster would put out a new directive when they choose to change the definition of such a basic English word...As a conservative who will likely vote for Obama (or a third party), there is nothing reasonable about intentionally adding another straw to the camels back, just to see what happens
FYI it would take 3 buses to get me to within half a mile of anyone who knows anyone who is part of the 1%...i think the term you were looking for is indoctrinated, not educated
Ok, sorry Mr Phin, I think I took what you meant wrong on that. I shouldn't have accused you of being uneducated. I just get tired of tea partiers claiming that liberals are just looking for free handouts, when in fact the numbers do not support that.
apps accepted...until colleges begins teaching basic math, I refuse to refer to it as education
1973 was the last year that our nation made a profit (imports over exports)
in what mathematical theoritical universe could taking in 1 dollar and paying out 2+interest, every year, forever be a viable economic system
Nafta kind of screwed us.
Whether or not you accept that as education the numbers don't lie. People with college education have a far lower unemployment rate, and that doesn't necessarily mean a four year academic college but trade schools that teach specific skills.
So the argument that liberals that tend to have higher education are just looking for handouts doesn't hold water.
Also, there is a major problem with take Santorums plan to bring manufacturing jobs back to be our savior. The fact is that it won't solve the problem, most manufacturing is done through machines and trained people take care of them. There simply is not nearly as many jobs out there for that work even if they were all in the US.
The high school I went to in the eighties had two tracks, college and trade school that they allowed to start in their junior year. They came out of it with real hands on skills. Further education is mandatory for many to meet the the advances in technology. The school of life, doesn't teach you how to be a nurse or an IT professional, or a plumber and many other fields. Nursing has a shortage at this point.
There is one point I will agree with on Santorum on thought, four year college isn't meant for everyone and many of those degrees are basically "would you like fries with that order?" Kids need to be encouraged in more realistic directions to what best suits their interests and abilities.
I speak of that from experience, my nephew had a four year scholarship to a university and ended up with an English degree. he now works at a pizza place and is applying to ITT tech for IT training.
My brother went to ITT tech for a year and makes 90 thousand dollars a year.
I started as an anthropology major and as I saw the limited jobs in it, I changed to nursing and have NEVER regretted that. I have always had a stable job.
You may be the exception to the rule, and I'm not saying you are not...but if you cannot at least admit that "proggressive" most powerful tool is promising those who donot have, all the things that the haves have, then I am saying it...
73.5% of a "college education" is learning how to properly load a Bong, hook-up a Keg, and apparently going through 3,000 dollars worth of condoms
The highscool I went to in the eighties, I barely consider a school...If I hadn't enilsted in the USMC and learned a trade, I might be a fry cook today and have a different view on lost of things...but I've not been unemployed since highschool, my total outlay for birthcontrol is in the high teens, I have no desire to buy any for you or do i expect you to buy my cigarrettes...and the most valuable "aspect" of any employee in any industry is work ethic and reliability...and not a single technology in the history of our species has been invented by someone who was taught that technology in college (or anywhere else)
I do agree with the NAFTA thing, there is no vacancy of idiocy when Washington DC believes they should or do have control of all things
Mr Phea, the problem is low skilled jobs are becoming less common and children need to be educated to meet the demands of today. College is obviously not the only answer but to dimish is completely college is wrong, unless of course you don't want anymore doctors, dentists, lawyers, engineers, nurses, and many other fields, it has to be offered. There is plenty of room for trade schools.
I am and independent, I think BOTH parties are making promises that are unrealistic. I just find Obama less invasive in My life.
Bong or not, the college kids are getting jobs to compete in the complicated new challenges.
As a Fiscal and Constitutional Conservative, I often find myself allied with "R", but will never call myself one...again "words from the lips of politicians"
As a Social Libertarian, am disgusted by both parties belief that their moral code (or lack there of) should be a legal standard for all
@ the beginning, middle, and end of the day...I understand that our species is just one more on the planet...Darwin and me agree that those who will not or can not provide for themselves...
If our education system was run as many Asian Countries' are...where higher education was reserved for those who earned it...I would be more supportive...i hope I haven't implied that an education doesn't benifit the recepients (even if unused)...but an honest cost benefit analysis of most courses and or the "students" would indicate radical change in our entire education system is called for...I would suggest a internet based education system where the richest and poorest omoung us would have access to the same material and "teachers"
There should be no laws regarding social bonds, no benefits to only certain groups (married vs single), a christian right to oppose homosexuals is exactly equal to that of the guy who likes it up the poop shute...Put government (all levels) back in the box, and let eveyone make there own choices and pay the price for them...there should be no welfare for CEOs or Addicts,
Jan-21270
Damn snobs! But seriously, the blue states rank much higher in education than their red counterparts.That's a fact.
the education system in the US is not homogeneous. You go from a state like Mass that has a much better system to a state like FL that does not even have enough books for its students. Yes, I speak from experience. You cannot compare our education system to the one of Japan's. So your theory does not hold water. Why uou ask? Because we do not provide the same educational opportunities to all of our students. Selected few will always have advantage. And as long as you can write a nice check, you will be accepted anywhere - regardless of what you have accomplished in the past.
ROMNEY IS STILL HIDING HIS 12 YEARS OF TAX INFORMATION !!!!!!!!!!! ; he should do like his dad told him , and reveal what activities he's been involved in through those years . then the american people can chose their candidate without pinching their nose and clinching their fist , when voting at the polls !!!!
All this talk of education in posts filled with spelling and grammatical errors......They say you can't fix stupid. It's true because the uneducated are the most resistant to education, especially as we age (Rick Santorum is a perfect example of this). Everyone thinks they are GREAT and RIGHT no matter how full of holes thier assertions are. Obama 2012 - Now more than EVER!
Hey liberals... Read em and weep.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll: Romney 48% Obama 43%
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll: Santorum 46% Obama 45%
This is today's poll for the general election on Rasumssen. While the liberals hate Rasmussen because they are the most accurate polling company in America... Rasmussen has the irrefutable best accuracy rating of all polling companies.
This is starting to become a trend. Last week the polling showed Romney pulling better numbers than Obama. Now it's not only Romney, it's Santorum too. For all the liberal bluster about Obama being unbeatable... It's starting to swing according to the latest polls, the polls that count.
Republicans or just plain greedy said: ROMNEY IS STILL HIDING HIS 12 YEARS OF TAX INFORMATION !!!!!!!!!!! ; he should do like his dad told him , and reveal what activities he's been involved in through those years . then the american people can chose their candidate without pinching their nose and clinching their fist , when voting at the polls !!!!
Interesting you should mention this... because Obama is still hiding his college transcript, his place of origin, his past radical associations and ALL pertinent information. I don't care to see Romney's tax records... they are totally irrelevent to him holding the position of President.
BB,
Don't you have anything better to do than bash liberals? How about some kind of contstructive ideas? People (middle American independents) are sick of both sides bashing the other. Know I am.
phancy - how is this bashing? I mention the poll numbers of Obama, Romney and Santorum, and somehow it's bashing?!? I reply to someone stating that Romney's taxes for some odd years are not revealed... I then ask about Obama's records and associations... Again phancy, how is this bashing?
Maybe if I threw in a few insults like the liberals do, or some great names... like idiot, moron, LWNJ's or a few choice anti-liberal statements, I could understand your statement that I am bashing liberals...
Making a point that the polling numbers aren't so reflective of the bravado and boasting the liberals on this board do every day of the week, many times a day is, somehow considered bashing? I really don't see how.
I tried being nice to some of the posters on this board, only to get my hand bitten... well, I'm not quite so tolerant as you are. My form of retribution is to pull chains and push buttons. Some of the left wing posters don't want to learn, nor will they accept any education that places reality into perspective... so let them go rabid... I can still have my fun.
@Brian: Amazing how birthers and flat earthers have united on stupid.
You think alien probes are more relevant than Romney's tax records? You don't think it is relevant to see how much money Romney has stolen from American taxpayers? You don't think it is relevant that he takes form America but does not give back? You are on the wrong website of you are looking for alien conspiracy theories showing Obama is from another universe.
Did you hear that Santorum is the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler? God told a squirrel in my backyard, so it must be true.
BB,
Insults, no matter from which side, serve no purpose with me. Besides, it is Saturday and I am trapped with a man who thinks he is an IT expert. He is not. He keeps knocking my computers off line. I may soon end up knocking him off line! Oh, and polls mean diddly squat in March. Talk to me about them in mid to late October.
Is is okay to hit a man upside the head who thinks he is a computer geek when he is not? And when you are married to said man, does that make it ok?
phancy - do you see what I am talking about? Steve starts his post out with this line: @Brian: Amazing how birthers and flat earthers have united on stupid.
His immediate assertion is that I am a birther and a flat earther... and then proceeds to call me stupid.
Now phancy, this is bashing... a perfect example.
Making outlandish statements like: You think alien probes are more relevant than Romney's tax records?
His bash starts with ridicule... Right from Alynski Chapter 1.
He then moves onto a false premise: You don't think it is relevant to see how much money Romney has stolen from American taxpayers?
He then reveals his intention of left wing blaming by this statement: You don't think it is relevant that he takes form America but does not give back?
Then he tries to ridicule me one more time by this statement: You are on the wrong website of you are looking for alien conspiracy theories showing Obama is from another universe.
Little does Steve know that I am a regular here... hated by many liberals and have no use for Steve's type of posting.
Now phancy... do you see the difference between what I posted and what ole Steve here uses as bashing methods? I really hope you reconsider your blaming me for bashing liberals when they do the old attack dog type of posting without even saying anything constructive.
Phancy - If your spouse is annoying you, you have the license to knock him upside the head without reserve... that's why you have that license. As long as you don't send him to the hospital, or the morgue, swing away. I promise you, he won't hurt you... you may annoy him, but he won't strike back. Sounds to me like you need a little mall time on your own... LOL!
Sweetie, since I am hated by both sides, you need to learn to do what I have done. Pick the folks you really want to discuss issues with (like me), and go from there.
And you didn't answer if it is okay for me to go upside the head with the pretend computer geek I am married to. He is driving me nuts!
If you want to have a serious discussion about the issues, let me know. I will answer AND give you a fair hearing - if you give me one!
PS Sent you a note through the contact this person. Check it out.
BB,
I just poured Mr. phinephancy a Heini. Hopefully, that will distract him! I have some Amazon shoppinig to do - tis birthday season around here (3 in the next week).
Hey! Forget to wish everyone a Happy Passport Day!
This is too cool, Santorum claiming the president and now Romney are liers...please...someone inform this guy of how many times he himself has missed the mark on truth.
While I wouldn't say lie, ALL politicians do bend the truth from time to time. If Diogenes were still around, he would not find the honest person in today's American politicians - on both sides!
Brian: you state you are more interested in questioning Obama's birth than dealing with real issues, such as the economy. So don't be surprised that your issues are dismissed as delusional. This is not bashing, which you enjoy, but trying to focus on real issues.
I am not a liberal, which you like to label everyone who disagrees with you. I am a financial conservative and tire of conservatives using the label to bash social issues, start wars and engage in conspiracy theories instead of focusing on jobs and the economy. Any real conservative would not be legislating rape (non-consensual penetration) and wasting my tax dollars on unnecessary medical procedures, while complaining about Obama's health care plan.
I am not happy with where Obama is taking this country, but I am not stupid enough to buy into the Republican plan to return to the policies that destroyed our economy.
Phancy, I gave you the blessing in post 1.32. I guess pouring a Heiny works well too... get him tipsy enough and he might give up on the IT work. LOL.
Steve - Your first response to me was nothing but ridicule because I stated Obama's place of origin as I opined. That was all you saw and you decided to go off on it. So be it. Because it's settled in your mind doesn't necessarily have to mean it's settled in mine.
It boils down to the fact that I don't trust Obama in any manner. I see a big government, big spending, dictator wanna be in Obama. He has done nothing to win my trust and I don't mind saying so. I don't like the ACA because I view it as government intrusion into my and my families lives in the most damaging way.
I don't like the fact that there is no accountability in the stimulus money. Nothing believable anyway, especially when you consider the omnibus bill that was appropriated along with stimulus money... approved 100% by democrats without any republican input. The administration had a short window to push through as much spending as they could and they took advantage of the American people by doing so... now, where is all that money and what improvements were made? I've heard all the arguments that it saved thousands of government employee jobs but placing trillion dollar bandaids on this economy doesn't work. The money will have to be paid off... unless the economy collapses and our way of life will end forever. No more social security or medicaid when you grow old. No more safety nets for retiring people. I actually prefer my freedom over slavery.
While you may totally disagree with my opinion, that's fine. Leave the snark in your home... I don't need it here.
Brianb-999431 - and your clinging to the "birther" nonsense (it's not settled in mine) is what makes anything you post unimportant. As it has been proved President Obama was born in the US (sorry, they will not bring his birth certificate to your home and that of every other lunatic who is clinging to this garbage); as the Hawaiian governor, who is Republican has agreed it is legitimate; as the newspapers reported his birth two days after he was born; as intelligent people accept that President Obama was indeed born here; you make any post absolutely irrelevant by clinging to your nonsense.
And, your polls are NOT what is being reported. In almost every poll Obama is ahead of any Republican challenger by at least 3-5% points.
"...as I opined."
Making deliberately false allegations is commonly referred to as lying. I'm sure you've heard the term many times before.
Sailcat-2064101 Many, many times before!
Indeed.
And you, Santorum, claim to have a divine insight as to what you think anyone is saying is true or not? Of course, you speak for GOD, right? Do you think that such an anointed association to the ALMIGHTY makes you any more "truthful" than your less-religious opponent? I'm not defending Romney and I don't plan on voting for him (or you), but let's face it, are you being realistic, in projecting that accusation over to him? Have you self-reflected lately, as to where you are, what you;re doing and saying in this terrestrial plane of existence to win the acceptance of possible voters? Can you rationalize your political opinions to others without conjuring up a mental phrase of some piece of Biblical scripture? Considering your professed religious piety so as to win votes from your purity-minded followers ...I doubt it.
Ha, I haven't heard a politician yet who spoke the COMPLETE truth, and we see those clips spinning everything almost everyday from the White House to the Union halls.
Wait a minute....Mr. Obama has his "Truth Team" on the streets and in the media rooms to make sure everything is convoluted in his favor.
Time for the opposition to formulate their own "Authentic Truth Links" counter team.
I sure can't wait until Mr. Obama OFFICIALLY enters the race. Sorta getting tired hearing him talk to himself on some campaign stop going on over THREE YEARS now. It is going to be interesting to see how he spins his FAILED On-The-Job-Training agenda.
Yep, this Democrat will not vote for Mr. Obama for re-election.
Hey liberals... Read em and weep.
Hey Brianb -- read this ans weep ---
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
"Romney" is all about "R money"
Ido... a Democrat? Why? To screw up their primaries? LOL
I can see it now... a bunch of Republicans get in a room to form a "truth team"... the scene is silent... they look at each other with a questioning look (you know, head sideways like a dog),,, they keep looking... then someone say "what's truth?".... silence... they look at each other... then someone says "that's when someone's lying about a lie!".... "We all get it now!!!!", they scream in glee.
BrianB, If you have absolutely no trust for Obama and disdain his spending because of the stimulus, you must have hated Bush for providing the biggest gap between income and spending in the history of this nation. If you have a serious problem with spending, you can't be thinking Romney or any other war monger because they'll just cut taxes and start wars without funding them. You MUST be for Ron Paul then?
You want no wars and no spending?... Obama with the current congress will get that done... ideas abound and no where to go.
Hey Carrie Dan, the author of this article, look in the mirror when you try to talk about truth.
Your organization (MSNBC) is so slanted and biased, that it's hard to take anything you say seriously.
Media outlets like yours are doing a great job at dividing this Nation of ours with your one perspective reporting and presenting your opinion as fact.
But yes, I'll continue to read the slanted articles of MSNBC and others, just so I can continue to reaffirm to myself of what I just said above.
"Santorum wants to bomb Iran with Tea Retards"
Brian: read it and weep:
Obama 338 vs Romney 177 - Polls
Electoral College: Obama 338, Romney 177 (safe states given to candidate even if no poll exists).
NBC is so slanted you almost have to lie on your sided to get things upright!
NBC is the only service counting republican delegates to show Santorum with less tham 150 Delegates. If I didn't follow other sources too, I'd be certain Santorum was already out of the race.
AP
who's your source, because I'm not seeing those numbers.
Whoa now... Let's back up and do a little review. The Teapublicans as a Party won't tell the truth about the Affordable Health Care Act let alone Romneycare such as the mandate being their idea (Heritage Foundation).
The first glaring problem is that the GOP/TP offer no solution of their own to fix the broken health care system. The most egregious is to call Romneycare or "Obamacare" socialized medicine when in fact it isn't remotely socialism, but merely a little more regulation of our existing for-profit private sector insurance and delivery system. Then to fear-monger beyond that with chicken crap like "death panels" and "government takeover" are the real being lies told to the American people.
And as if this isn't bad enough, the hypocrisy Teapublicans have shown with government takeover of health care by mandating unnecessary ultrasounds and coming between the patient and doctor, forcing doctors to read government-issued statements, seriously? As if trying to make abortion illegal in all cases isn't bad enough, and now trying to make birth control illegal too, really?
The US is the only country with a screwed-up system of employers providing health care--that's the number one problem with our system. Add to that the greedy insurance middle man, the doctors and fraud against insurance and Medicare, and Big Pharma that is subsidized by the American consumer, and WTF is wrong with conservatives that they try to protect these atrocities? Holy cow right-wingers, get educated and start looking out for your own interest. At least get the @#$%&! away from my best interests.
Santorum is sincere in his positions (haunting). Romney should have been sincere from the start. He should have said dang straight I tried to fix our broken health care system. Dang straight I tried to enforce labor laws in regard to health insurance and religious employers being no exception. Dang straight he should have said that Limbaugh's three-day rampage of lies has not place in our society. But he is too much of a coward.
Obama/Biden - 2012!
SeekingSanity -- About the Birther conspiracy theory, and now the FOX Noise conspiracy theory about Sandra Fluke (started by one of the least credible sources in the world, Rush Limbaugh)...
It's amazing the far-right fringe has so little faith in our government, President Obama's opponents when in the Senate, to Hillary and McCain in the presidential contest, as to think his citizenship was not thoroughly verified, or that our incredible military with satellite capability to see a license plate, yet somehow Saddam was able to sneak WMD across the border, etc. These ignorant Yahoos (Trump, Arpaio, etc.) can't have faith in our free press, our government, our scientists, etc. yet completely believe everything they read in chain Emails from an unknown source. Wow, just wow!
And to think that I went to college in the eighties without learning how to load a bong or hook up a keg (tapping a keg, we called it)-and I was never given a single condom! My education must have been severely deficient! Please excuse the sarcasm. I actually went to a highly ranked secular university, and my freshman roommate was a drug dealer-yet I still managed to avoid these things, though not because my roommate didn't try. We were both pre med. I was honestly too afraid to try drugs, though I had no problem with alcohol-that's another story, however. (My alcohol consumption was pretty controlled in college due to some big scares when I was in high school, then I got real recovery as an adult.) I was social chairman of the med school dorm my junior year in PT school, and the dean of medical students regaled me with stories of his drunken youth; but I never had to personally hook up the keg-I only had to arrange for the kegs and pick them up. The medical students were hilarious, in fact-girls on one side of the room, boys on another. Then the guys would all complain that they hadn't had a date in years. (They were too busy cramming and studying-it was one of the top medical schools in the country. My classmates found PT school extremely difficult, but my undergraduate program had been much harder-it had been designed to weed out potential pre med students, and the profs deliberately tried to flunk as many students as they could. It was really hard to get into PT school, but once you got in, you were in the program for two-and-a-half years; and they didn't want you to flunk out.) The point of all this is that SOME people did go to college to get an education even though they may have drunk lots of beer or whatever (pure grain alcohol mixed with punch was a big thing back when I was an undergrad in the eighties) and smoked some joints and gone through a lot of condoms.
Obviously college isn't for everyone. Trade school is best for some. Others do better in the military. Each person has gifts they were given for their time on this earth, and it is a joy to be able to find what you are best at doing and to develop those abilities. In the same way there are certain harmful things that one would do well to avoid-ie, alcoholism, drug addiction, STD's. In short, a person can develop their gifts and skills in many different ways with or without college and he or she can also run into many problems with or without college. Either way, I believe we all were put here for a reason; and the world would not be the same without our contributions. This is true whether we are liberal, conservative, or independent.
It's ridiculous to use statistics to tie education to politics, in my opinion. Statistics can say anything you want them to say. You can say that liberals are more educated-well, Statistics say more educated people earn more money. Well, you could then say that means liberals are richer and therefore don't care about the poor. Well I don't believe that whole train of logic that I just wrote, but someone might say it based on statistics. Do you see how statistics can be used to say what you want them to? People are just people and can't always be stereotyped like that. Some liberals care and some don't. Some conservatives care and some don't. Most people care about some things but not about others. There are plenty of people who actually fit neither category and are being forced to choose because it's human nature for us not to be comfortable with ambiguity. I personally agree with some liberal positions and some conservative ones. What that makes me I don't know. Sorry if I don't fit your stereotypes.
seen too much - very good post!
Both of them suck in their own special kind of way.
Better to suck for being moderate than to suck for being extreme.
How sad that saying someone is a moderate is the kiss of death.
Why split hairs? If Romney knew he could get maximum votes by acting "extreme" then he'd act that way; or is flip-flopper a new synonym for moderate?
Well, Obama is extreme and the liberals love HIM. He is anything but moderate. Everything with Obama is calculated, timed and delivered right on queue.
Brianb - 999431 - your regurgitated responses are just BORING!
@Brain B
A calculated, timed, and delivered right on queue president is what we need in this time of recession, voting for a man who cannot stand on an issue (Romney) or a religious zealot (Rick) could very well doom our nation.
Everything with Obama is calculated, timed and delivered right on queue.
Gee-- it's not with Romney, Gingrich, Santorum -- every Senator, just about every politician in Washington?? Ya know Brianab, they say love is blind -- well so is hate and you're proof of it.
"Santorum might be a conservative, but hes a weird guy and a religious extremists Clown"
"Santorum: Romney wouldn't 'tell the truth to the American people'"
Really? and Santorum would? Has he told you his REAL attitude toward the Tea Party whom he is NOW been courting for votes? "Rick Santorum - Tea Party Phony "
Has he told you he is "pro-life"? "I was basically pro-choice til I ran for Congress"
Did he tell you he is honest? He was voted the "Most Corrupt Politician" two years running.
Did he tell you he ENDORSED Romney just four short years ago?
Do we really have to cover the problems with Romney and Gingrich?
Santorum only tells you what he believes for that hour, afterwards he flips and goes for something else. Both candidates aren't worth voting for, it's a shame but it looks like Obama will win again simply because no one good has been elected. And quite honestly, as a woman, I don't want this man having ANY say in what's best for me.
"Santorum lied about not being prolific of earmarks" Ricky boy represents the Tea Retards, Kocheads & 1%, Not middle class America.
'Pot Calls Kettle Black! Details at 11...'
Santorum, why don't you tell us the truth then?
Women please listen to this man and know he wants to put you back in dark ages. He will try to take all your rights away. If you want to go backwards and have no say about your own body or make any decisions for yourself you better vote this evil away. I have a daughter and granddaughters I want to keep this man away from. Please use your right to vote and send him packing...... PLEASE!!!! Santorum is wrong for women and this country..
Santorum may be the face right now that symbolizes making women into second class citizens, but all the republicans have the same plan. All the presidential nominees have signed a pledge agreeing to support the person-hood amendment passing and becoming the law of the land.
Don't forget the person-hood amendment makes Roe v Wade illegal. Then most forms of birth control will be illegal. Invetro will become illegal for the women trying to get pregnant. Miscarriages now become a murder investigation.
All of this could be yours just vote for a republican for anything.
Ladies and Gentlemen do not let these Republicans tell you what is natural is good for you, remember, Dick Chaney has an un-natural heart and he seems to be living just fine.
"True Conservative, but a Phony". Who could l be talking about, "Hint" ("Contraception")
Santorum's an idiot. As is anyone who would vote for that peckerhead.
Kevin - You are my new hero! I haven't laughed this hard since.... I can't remember when! Thanks for the giggles!
"What would you call Santorum with a Bag over his body" ????????????????
It is really telling us something about Romney when the worst that Santorum and Gingrich can truthfully say about him is that he is a moderate.
So I guess they favor being inmoderate, also known as extreme.
Green Timer - Not only a moderate but he only appeals to people making $100,000 plus a year - yeah - give them more tax breaks
Funny how Obama rarely brings up our disastrous record high crushing debt ....
...he wont.
like he said, "it's not my fault....it's bushs fault"
do you think obama wants americans to know how much debt he has put on americans since 2009 ?
Hey Keck ....
You know what ....
Romney will remind everyone soon enough ....
Romney's team is preparing well as we speak ....
Unfortunately for Romney, even if his team prepares the message, he will have to deliver it. This will not go well.
It's going well with seniors ....
They love Romney ....
They were asked why ....
They said because he understands finances ....
Many lost their homes from Obama type money managing ....
Something Obama needs a lesson in ....
Evening BigBen!
Hate to disagree with you here, but seniors here in NE Florida don't care for Romney. Think he is fake - can't figure out where he stands. The Catholic ones thinks Santorum is a nice boy, but needs more depth. Newt, well, is Newt. Not fans of the president, either. They are very unhappy with the whole kit and kaboodle!
Many lost their homes from Obama type money managing ....
Now that's funny! People lost their homes from Bush and a Republican Congress money managing! Deny it if you can, idiot! There is a reason no Republican candidates invoke the name of Bush!
EEngineer , did the terrorists get their gifts from you in time for the holidays ....
Another blame everything on Bush guy , I see .... "LOL"
Hey Phine , just having fun , you know me .... : )
Ben,
Most did lose their homes because of the housing bubble collapse under the Bush administration. I understand you don't like the president - but let's get the facts straight, okay? No fudging, please.
Also, Ben, weather is getting great here. About time to go tubing!
11 million still under water Phine ....
Ways to go before it's cleared up ....
Hope all is well with you ....
Ben, had to turn the a/c on tonight. Going to be a long summer! LOL!
Yes, many are still underwater, but let's look hard at Wall Street and the banks for that. And their powerful rich lobbies - who own both houses of Congress (both Dems and Repubs), that stall any efffort to address the problem. Common sense, please.
That's what it took I guess for many to learn ....
Sad hard lesson ....
Still, would love to see some bank presidents and Wall Street CEO's do the "perp walk". Mean, I know. I would also LOVE a law that would get rid of the money of the big lobbies!
phine - your seniors might be onto something...
"It's going well with seniors ....They love Romney ...."
The also love the way the GOP is threatening to take away Medicare and Social Security. They just love the way the Republicans are promising to strike down social programs for the elderly, too.
Yup. Seniors are going to love not voting for Romney.
Hi Katheryn! I am working on that book review for you!
Sailcat, just say "Ryan Plan" to seniors and watch them get fired up!
Yeppers, Phinephancy. That would do it.
Extended payroll tax deduction comes from , or is supplemented away from social security ....
So who's hurting social security ....
But you would probably blame that on Bush anyway ....
Ben, seniors are more afraid of the Ryan Plan.
It's not very popular, is it?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/01/cnn-poll-majority-gives-thumbs-down-to-ryan-plan/
Sailcat, a ticked off senior is NOT a pretty sight. And talking about the Ryan Plan in front of them................. well, a stronger person than I can try it! LOL
As tough as you are, Phinephancy, I still wouldn't recommend it. Seniors can be pretty ornery when their health and retirement benefits are being snatched away from them.
Seniors are just one more bloc of voters the GOP has alienated, along with women, union workers, minorities, and moderates. Who will be left to vote for the GOP's #1 loser?
Sailcat,
I have seen seniors run over the toes of people in the grocery with their scooters when mad! For the sake of my feet, I try and keep them happy!
Excellent plan!
I wonder how the seniors feel about obama taking $500 billion from medicare to fund obamacare saying that it could be made up by eliminating waste and discarding medicare advantage?
Think seniors were impressed by obama willing to put up an additional $600 billion in medicare cuts to get the republicans to raise the debt ceiling?
Then we have the the hundreds of billions in entitlement cuts because obama couldn't be bothered when the supercommitee was set up.
At least ryan would keep medicare the same for those over 55. Obama has already shown us he is willing to cut now, even for existing seniors. Such a friend to seniors is obama.
Funny. The polls show seniors hate the Ryan Plan and distrust the GOP. Does that answer your question?
According to this report from the Cato Institute, the deepest cuts come from the Ryan Plan. This quote nicely summarizes the vague, and to seniors, sinister intentions of the Ryan Plan in all its aspects:
"Ryan doesn't provide specific Social Security cuts, instead proposing a budget mechanism to force Congress to take action on the program."
What cuts? How deep? What budget mechanism is Ryan proposing? No one knows, but seniors don't like the idea of Ryan trying to force a plan through congress that has no solid provisions built into it, but instead makes it clear the federal budget will be balanced at the expense of elderly taxpayers who have paid into federal Medicare and Social Security programs their entire lives. No, I don't think the GOP is going to be able to count on the senior vote this November. Nor should it.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/federal-spending-ryan-vs-obama/
"American" Ryan wouldn't push grandma off the cliff he's going to wait 15 years & push mom off the cliff. Put 20 million americans back to work & we won't have to push anyone off a cliff/ Obama 2012
Santorum said Romney is, "Untrustworthy and a political moderate?"
Trying my best to understand what he meant. Santorum, as usual, offered absolutely no details on the untrustworthy charge. Santorum is very good at running his mouth.
On Santorum's "political moderate" charge. What in the name of holy snail shells does that mean?
So I assume that being a "moderate" is fine for the Middle East, but not fine for the US. Jeez. I wish Santorum would just get one of those $12 an hour jobs and shut up. I'm tired of him already.
I would love to know the GOP response to Barbara Bush's line about compromise is not a dirty word. Notice not a one of them have commented on that.
If our current First Lady had said the same thing, she would be raked over the coals by every GOP talking head & then burned in effigy.
Ben have you not watched any of his speeches,interviews, or press conferences? Please before you post read up on things it might help you to make an informed opinion
Like what .... ??
Shoot ....
American Politics, why would anybody spend ONE BILLION DOLLARS to get elected, unless the whole system was corrupt!
This political stuff gets old fast, back to Gold Rush!
American politics is right wing Democrats like Obama. And very right wing politics like "no bid contracts" and limited competition "romney" money holics.
Prosperity ....
Something you can't have with Obama's growing massive debt ....
Bigben - There was a surplus the day before Obama took office, right?
Must be nice to be G.W. Bush. I mean, you single-handedly almost drive the country off a cliff and the next guy not only has to clean it up, but he also gets blamed for your monumental screw-ups.
Must be nice.
Anyone ever hear the old adage you have to spend money to make money? Just asking.
Comes with the job ....
On my watch type of deal .... SuperPAC12
Phine , that's what I keep telling my bank ....
If the US Treasure issued currency debt free there would be no debt.
Think about it.
There is no reason that we need to borrow money from shister banks at interest. Money can ge spent into existence.
Rethink banking. We need banking utilities. Not "Private Banks"
We wish ....
Interesting thought, sutter99. I will think about it.
Sutter99, the FED is already giving money away (QE1) at extremely low interest. What is it now? 1/4%? And they are telling us it will likely be 2014 before they raise rates.
In the 20's, germany gave out a lot of currency. So much that a wheelbarrow full could buy a loaf of bread.
As for no bid contracts, in 2010 there were $30 odd billions of them and they increased by 2-3 billion in 2011. makes the cheneys no-bid iraq contracts look like chump change.
BigBenAlaska....Still waiting for you to tell us you throw that free money you get from the state of Alaska every year in the trash, because to cash that check would make you a socialist right? Also wondering if you are ready to pledge to destroy every one of those checks you get in the future...
Frothy would know something about not telling the truth. Teabaggers wouldn't know the truth from the guns and by-bulls they have jammed up their fat Waffle House asses.
your misplaced anger towards "teabaggers" belies your ignorance as to what President Hobamo has done in the past four years.
Guantonomo? Open
Afghanistan? Still killing
Iraq? Followed Bush's schedule
Racist War on Drugs? Enforcing the commerce clause and fedreralism.
How many foreign bases still open?
Obamacare = forced payment to a monopoly industry.
How can anyone think that US politics has a "left" It is 100% right wing. Two right wings.
Who is Hobamo?
"LOL"
Sorry, but I remember all the ranting when people on the left were disrepectful to the former president. I agreed with the right, then. He was, like it or not, the duly elected president of the United States. Same goes for the right, you might not like President Obama, but he is the duly elected President of the United States, thus deserving the respect of that office.
Isn't that what Rodney Dangerfield would say ....
I could hear him now ....
But, you know I am right about this.
I really don't think Obama reads any of my posts ....
And I think I'm far from harsh ....
Surely from what many post about him ....
But, I do. How about not offending the moderate independent here?
Sorry Phine ....
It won't happen too many more times ever again too often ....
LOL
bigbenalaska - you never answered my question - how much did you get from big oil this year and doesn;t that make you a socialist? Come on boy fess up
Barbara Adams Jackson
Have you ever been to Alaska? I live in Talkeetna, at the end of the grid. Each proven Alaska resident gets about $1,200.00 from our "oil kickback" annually.
Do you know what gas or heating oil (which most all of is in rural Alaska use to heat) cost per gallon in Alaska. Right now regular gas is $4.14 per gallon, heating oil around $4.00 per gallon. We spend about $1,200 per month to heat our place.
The oil company payment is a "bribe" to Alaskan's, that is all. We really don't want or need the oil companies here! Most people who work on the North Slope are from the lower 48 and fly up to Alaska to work, then fly home (really!)
It seems, the oil companies have no (one or two) refineries in Alaska, and Alaska being half the size of ALL THE UNITED STATES it is costly getting gas and other supplies to the villages, very costly.
Alaska's oil is shipped to Seattle, then refined, then shipped BACK to Alaska. We who live where the oil comes from, pay MORE than anywhere for the product that comes from Alaska. People who live off the road system in Alaska, and there are many of those, pay $ 9.00 per gallon for gasoline.
Hence the oil "kickback" for Alaska residents (and one has to prove and establish residency).
More crooked politics at work.
Alaska would truly be wild, if not for the Federal Government involvement here with oil and the military bases.
Heard a very interesting description about the way Mr. Romney likes to govern today. Now, please don't attack me on this, just reporting what I heard on Now, between noon and one on MSNBC. Mr. Romney liked to govern in Massachusetts like a ceo, telling the legislature he was the boss and they were like the executive vp's that reported to him. He would get all the facts, then make the decision. He liked everything orderly and didn't like surprises - or things coming at him out of left field. If this is the case, he would have a problem as president. Every day is a new crisis and I sure don't see the egos of the hill (both sides of the aisle) seeing themselves as Mr. Romney's executive assistants!
I wouldn't condemn him for that ....
Ben,
We both know nothing goes as planned in the office of the president. I consider that a flaw.
Like the flaw in the low water level last time I went tubing ....
There were rocks just under the surface ....
When we came up on them we would yell out .... "Big Butt Warning" ....
They would hurt you too ....
I cannot argue that fact! Knew a guy who ripped his swim trunks that way. When he got out - well, let's just say he was feeling the breeze!
Phine ....
Did you look .... ??
You can tell me ....
Ben,
Shhh! Don't tell. Just a quick peek! The shiny whiteness almost blinded me! :)
At least you're honest .... "LOL"
I think my hands covering my eyes while screaming "My eyes! My eyes! The brightness burns!" gave me away! LOL
Yea ....
While you are peeking through your fingers .... "LOL"
Aha! You caught me! (blushing now) LOL
phinephancy, you are much more thick skinned than I am! I would not take kindly to BigBenAlaska's comment about tubing in rocky shallows.
But I don't see anything thing wrong with Mr. Romney liking it when things are orderly, be it in business or in governing. It is nice when it happens, but probably not frequent, not for Mr. Romney, nor anyone else with experience in business or governing.
True, nothing goes as planned in the Office of the President. That is par for the course, same as it has been since the mid-1770's. Having the versatility and strength to respond to it, choose good advisers, helps a lot.
I haven't been impressed by any U.S. president prior to election for a long time. From any political party. After the fact, I realize that most of them did a good job. I've been told I don't deserve to vote on more than one occasion though. Maybe I don't.
Liselotte,
You must not have been tubing down some of Florida's spring rivers. I live here and have done it. This was all done with good humor. FYI, the story about the guy's swim trunks was true! His girlfriend was beet red with embarrassment while everyone laughed. Just a common happening. If you can't laugh at the little things life throws your way, you will be miserable. I try very hard to find humor in all situations. Makes life a little easier to bear!
That's a piece in the NY Times (about lawmakers in his OWN party talking about how hard it was to work with Romney who saw them only as his "employees" and who were not brought in to build coalitions to get work down together. Even those in his OWN party admitted his lackluster performance as Massachusetts governor was due to his inability to understand how to get things done.) This nonsense about the country needing a "CEO" crops up regularly, especially from people who are completely clueless about how government works (a hint: you don't just "order" people around to do things, or fire them when they don't).
phinephancy: You do have a nice sense of humor! And resiliency! It is a fine thing to see (or read, in this case). I was going to say something about "like water off a duck's back" but you are a lovely flamingo. I recall them fondly from the brief time I spent in Florida. This is a tough crowd for a Democrat though!
AP: To you, I say "thank you" for mentioning that, about Mr. Romney. If you read it in the NY Times, I consider it credible. Point taken: It is NOT a good sign when one's own fellow (GOP or otherwise) party members find you aloof and uncooperative. The Office of the Presidency is The Executive branch, but that means something very different than "CEO"... although a good CEO shouldn't be autocratic either (well, not too often). Politics is much more about compromise and getting things done, one way or another. I don't like the report that Mary Meeker (Morgan Stanley?) did last year, a financial analysis of the U.S. government as though it were a corporation. (I do like her work in general, and that she distributes it free on SlideShare and other places, unlike any of her peers).
So glad I know who I am voting for and do not have to listen to the Repubs go on and on about nothing. Go Obama! Oh and by the way...no one lost their homes under Obama, Bush left us with a huge mess to clean up. Just ask a very old, real estate agent that has seen the good times and bad, nothing could have been as bad as what Bush did to the real estate market of America. Bush left us with the impossible situation to sort out, Santorum and Romney can say what they want, they have not been in the thick of things for the last few years after Bush left office. Obama has done the best he can, as the rest of us have, no thanks to the Repub party, the party of no, the party of no good ideas to get us out of this mess, they just made things worse. Any one that argues this point has not been in the trenches every day trying to help people. Please spare me any of your attacks on Obama, the guy had nothing to do with the housing mess, blame it on Bush and his buddies or spare us the lies and spin. What does moderate mean coming from the party that just about took this country down to its knees. Wake up America!
mgm,
Don't know about you, but during these primaries, I have yet to hear any positive plans from the GOP to move the country forward. Just endless attacks on the president. I get they don't like his ideas - but who wants to vote against something? I want to vote FOR something. They have yet to offer independents like me something to vote FOR.
BTW, your screen name makes me thinkg of one of my favorite places to go to when in Vegas - the MGM! :)
Phine , I'm beginning to think that you are a party animal .... ( :
Ben,
Used to be. Age caught up with me, I do believe. Went out for margaritas today, came home (had two), and had to sleep a couple of hours. Alas, guess I shall stick to my two glasses of wine per day (one with dinner and one after).
As long as you enjoy yourself and those around you ....
No one should care , what you do ....
Have to admit, did a lot of gigglng there for a while. And boy, were they good!
Bush, Cheney and their cronies are still filling their personal bank accounts with their lies about Iraq and WMD's and illegally assinging their companies to support the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. This legally should have been a bid job for that troop support but they claimed it was a national emergency and they had no choice. Bull crap no WMD's found and their companies making billions of dollars off both wars thus they get paid millions of dollars via their companies. Bush is the one who started the borrowing of billions of dollars to fund the false war from the Chinese. So in other words thousands of American men and women and innocent Iraqi citizens died for Chinese money. That all stemmed from lies for greed in other words Blood Money. All politicians tell lies, some more than others. It does not matter which party they belong to they all lie. It is time to get rid of the large corporation support and buying the political positions. It is supposed to be the people electing that man or woman not being bought by huge corporations. Lobbying should be a federal offense with prison time and huge fines.
As much as I can't stand Santorum, he's right about Romney being a perennial liar.
And the thing is about Romney, is that he really doesn't think he's lying when he is.
He must mentally live in some alternate universe.
The scary part is that there are people out there who will vote for him.
Well , many voted for Obama .... What's the difference ....
Ben if you will take your hate blinders off for a minute, you will see President Obama is a good man fighting a huge machine that wants to take down women's rights, union rights, educational rights, social security, medicare, Obamacare so they can sell our country out to the 1%.
To keep the America you love, Obama/Biden 2012
Santorum can't manage to hand in his homework to get on ballots or qualify for delegates. So much for home schooling! Blaming a volunteer for his campaigning and finding out that of 600, only 600 signatures were required and they only had 50, and lying... yeah, vote for this guy!
Tweeqq,
Second try here, the Newsvine demons stole my first response to you! :)
I don't think Santorum actually thought he would get this far in the primaries. Bet he thought he wouldn't get any farther than Iowa. (And he really hasn't had the money) Interesting, though, this disorganized candidate is such a thorn in Romney's side.
I think Romney is really feeling pretty good at this point though ....
While in the general, he would win Alabama and Mississippi, he really insulted southerners with his comments the past few days. He better not count too hard on Virginia and North Carolina. He has a problem in the south - and that's the base for the GOP. Not to mention he has a big problem with women and Latinos.
Romney does have a hard time appearing like a southerner ....
I really wanted to say red neck .... but I won't ....
Hey! I can (southerner here). The red necks do NOT like Romney! Trust me. I hear them every day!
Who do they like .... ??
The guy NOT running - Jeb.
You are the first , I've heard that from ....
I've heard some who thought he should jump in the race though ....
Romney is feeling pretty good, is he? Didn't know that he does drugs.
phine- when it comes to the general election, Romney's got the South. I mean who are Republicans going to vote for? Obama? Only if the economy is doing great, gas prices are down and we're not in a war with Iran. The Hopefully two out of three - and not the third! ;~))
The economy may be heading in the right direction, but it's not there yet and it'd have to be booming to bring over some of these guys.
phine - I think Jeb must be a Florida thing.
Hey what do you think about Condolezza Rice as Romney's VP? Do you think that could fly instead of a southerner or a conservative? I kinda like it. (of course,they are both so stiff...)
Katheryn,
I don't think Romney has all the south - even though they don't like the president, either. I think some may look at a third party or stay home. A lot see Romney as, excuse me, a "damn Yankee" And I don't think Condi would fly either. Romney REALLY needs a southerner. (One who is attractive to women and Latinos) But not Rubio - he has some problems right now he needs to get straight. Besides, Jeb is advising him to sit this one out.
phine -Yeah,my husband is in a pickle who to vote for too.It'd just kill him to go Democratic! LOL I think he's hoping for an independent he can go for -he's also looking into America Elect.
Romney has got a problem. Yeah, I guess maybe not Rice -although I think her foreign policy with his economics would play to their strengths. Speaking of VP choices, I wish I got HBO, I'd like to see Game Change.
I would love to see Game Change, too. May buy the book. They say it is good.
yeah, me too - well, from the library for me.
No matter who the South votes for now, they will vote the Republican Nominee in November!
MtMike - Definitely
The GOP better not take Virginia and North Carolina for granted. Just saying...................
Mt.Mike: well not necessarily the women of the south...the gender gap went from 15 to over 20 points nationwide (not in the Republicans favor) and is growing. There's a reason even Santorum's own wife told him to shut up about abortion...Not EVERYONE, even in the South, thinks "vaginal probes" is a great campaign slogan for a US President.
I was very impressed with Jeb during my few years in Florida! I only wish we could have swapped him for his brother... But then Florida would have been stuck with that brother of his! Maybe Barbara and her husband could have been governor of Florida while Jeb was taking care of things nationally, between 2004 and 2008. I'm just dreaming, wishing for what could have been...
Liselotte - while I did not care for Jeb while I lived in Florida, I think he is more "Presidential" than his brother. Don't think Cheney could have "handled" Jeb quite as easily either
ah,you should have lived in Florida when we had governors who were born there- yeah,some were good 'ol boys,but they were our good 'ol boys!
Rick Santorum - Republican Radical Religious Socialist.
He won't get that much further.
PTNY,
Depends on how much the GOP base doesn't like Romney. Will be interesting to see how Santorum does in the south..............
Santorum -"Well, I don’t know about him, but I believe in acts of God."
Santorum's quip was cute.Romney set himself up for that one.
Katheryn,
While not a Santorum fan, I did get a kick out of his response about everyone dropping out of the race. And, I enjoyed his story about his wife yelling at him for running off at the mouth! Sounded much more human than Romney.
Please both of you - stop - these four clowns are the worst candidates i have seen in my entire life - can you picture any of them as a representative of this country
First Santorum offends Denmark - now he goes after France
Big question - Al Sharpton has just walked 40 miles on the voter id's BS where is the news on this?
Barbara,
I watched Rev. Al today. I truly admire him. And I agree with what he is doing. AND, please note, I did say I was NOT a Santorum fan (truth be told, not a fan of any of the GOP field this year). But, I try to be honest and live my life without hate and being blinded by ideology.
Oh, and doesn't everyone at one time or another insult France?
Barbara - I'm voting for Obama. But that doesn't mean I can't say something nice about the other guys. Also doesn't preclude me calling out Obama when I don't like something he does.
Kinda like Jazz - I love Louis and the Count, but I can still say something nice about some of the compositions of Miles and the Train,even though I'm not a fan of their music.
Katheryn,
I LOVE the analogy! :)
Ha! I thought you'd get that one phine. ;~))
This gets me, Santorum and the far right wing is accusing Romney of being a moderate and not a conservative. I believe a moderate would be willing to work with all to maybe get things done for the American people. We have the far right that does not want to give an inch and the far left that does not want to give an inch, so nothing is going to get done. When it came to the debt ceiling debate last year, it looked as if Obama and Boehner had come to an agreement, but the far right shot it down and did not back their leader. If we are not careful, our country is going to go down the tubes with these extreme groups.
David,
You are correct. I think, now, Speaker Boehner has realized the problem he has within his own caucus. May be too late for him, though. I would advise him to never let Mr. Cantor stand behind him with a sharp object!
i would advise no one let Mr. Cantor stand behind them if you know what i mean!
I grant the far left is as bad as the far right, but it seems to me that the far right saying that they do not want a moderate to represent them just goes to show they do not want to work with the other side and its our way or no way. Again, with an attitude such as that, nothing is going to get done.
Gingrich has said that the GOP cannot win with a moderate candidate.
Here's the funny thing (and sad) - after Cantor manipulated Boehner into a take no prisoners stance which Boehner appeared clearly unhappy about taking - Cantor's relationship is now thawing with the Administration and Boehner is left out in the cold.
Katheryn, kind of the reaping and sowing thing, don't you think?
I guess that is true phine, but why is it the really mean ones seem to be the ones that land on their feet? (I was kinda rooting for Boehner. I just wish he had grown a pair and stood up to the little weasel - I am not fond of Cantor)
He hasn't told the truth so far so why should anyone expect him to start now.
Romney has said that corporate was his friend and that is the reason.
Trust me, the majority of the American people really don't want the truth. I found that out after spending over a decade trying to give them "The Truth". If they really wanted the truth, they would never give their all of their extra money to these "End Time" terminal religious belief systems which advocate a future global totalitarian theocratic kingdom perpetually ruled by a supreme demigod dictator. Total insanity! - Rick Carter
Mankind potentially has countless millions (even billions) of years of growth, development and expansion ahead of them, so long as they don't fall for these ET designed and installed terminal religious belief system. Believe it or not, this is the real "Gospel" or "Good News" which all of mankind desperately needs to hear. - Rick Carter
Romney wont tell the country the truth???? LMAO. The whole republican party wont tell the country the truth!!! They have forgotten what the truth means. Republicans wont tell the country that they caused this debt crisis deliberately, so they could privatize SS and Medicare. They wont tell the country the truth about how they not only crashed the economy with their policies, but actively opposed measures that would have helped the economy recover quicker than it has. They have a vested interest in seeing the economy fail--they've said openly that a poor economy would hinder Obama's re-election chances, which has been their PRIME objective ( NOT the health of the country) since Obama was elected!
Please remember, the GOP's constituents are the wealthy and corporate elite. America knows that. And they are going to try MIGHTILY to change the subject! My earnest hope is that the DEMS would let them do that. We can not afford to have the GOP in power in this country.
When Obama wins in a landslide in 2012, what is the Republican Leadership going to focus on next. They have said their only goal was to defeat him, not to help the American People, or work on tax reform, or actually govern. They will have spent 4 years being political obstructionists, alienating their own base and dividing the party between religious nut jobs that want to move women's rights back to about 1920, and obstructionists who's only answer is "that's bad policy", but with no real ideas of their own. I just wish there were more important congressional seats up for grabs this year. Bohner and Peloisi are two I would like to see gone.
Agreed, except that the Republicans do have one idea of their own: further tax cuts for the rich that Republicans fantastically claim is the cure for unemployment, the recession, and the budget deficit! Got a problem? The Republican solution is to further reduce the relatively low combined effective federal tax rates (income and capital gains) of the uber-wealthy relative to the relatively higher combined effective federal tax rates (income and payroll) on the middle class and working poor.
I believe George H.W. Bush once called that "voodoo economics". Then he got selected to be Reagan's vice president, and all his common sense went out the window.
MMC. Hopefully there wont BE a GOP leadership, it will be a DEM leadership in Congress.