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Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney speaks to supporters at his "Super Tuesday" primary election night rally in Boston, March 6, 2012.
Romney wins the most delegates, the most states, and the big prize of Ohio… But he’s still unable to pull away from his GOP competition… Why? Look no further than ideology… The good news for Romney: He increases his delegate lead… Question for Gingrich: Does he stay or does he go?... What’s next: the non-Romney-friendly states of Kansas (March 10), Alabama (March 13), and Mississippi (March 13)… Team Romney continues to enjoy an ad-spending advantage in these upcoming states, but do note that the Romney camp hasn’t spent a DIME in them… Obama lectures GOP rivals on their Iran rhetoric… And Kucinich and Schmidt lose.
Chuck takes a Deep Dive into the delegate counts out of last night, and discusses the total amount of delegates each candidate has up to this point in the race, and how the race can play out from here.
*** Unable to pull away: It’s hard to imagine that someone could win the most delegates (and a MAJORITY of all available) on Super Tuesday, the most states, and -- after midnight -- the big prize of Ohio, but still come out of it bloodier and more bruised than when the day began. But that’s exactly what seemed to happen to Mitt Romney last night. Yesterday, we wrote that Super Tuesday could come down to math vs. perception. And the perception from Super Tuesday was that Romney continues to win when it matters, but that he also continues to be unable to put the GOP race away, despite enjoying almost every advantage (the money, the organization, the pro-Romney Super PAC, the fact that this is his second presidential bid, the divided Santorum-Newt vote). It was one thing for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to duke it out in ’08, trading victories and splitting up the delegates; it was a clash of political titans. But it’s another thing for Romney -- the always-assumed GOP front-runner -- to be unable to pull away from Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich. The story on Romney remains the same as it was six months ago: It’s difficult to see how he’s denied the nomination, but it’s also difficult how he gets there, at least as soon as he wants to. How does he land this nomination plane? How does the Romney campaign gently start bringing conservatives aboard without using the "you have no choice”/”Santorum/Gingrich can't make the math work" sledgehammer?
*** Why is Romney unable to pull away? The answer to that question continues to come down to ideology. According to the exit polls in Ohio, Santorum easily won among very conservatives (48%-30%) and overall conservatives (41%-35%), while Romney won the other ideological subgroups (somewhat conservatives, moderates/liberals). Santorum won Tea Party supporters (39%-36%), while Romney won Tea Party detractors (45%-30%). And Santorum ran up the score with evangelicals (47%-30%). Given that kind of very conservative resistance we’ve seen in other contests -- Iowa, South Carolina, Michigan, and Ohio -- it’s a tribute to Romney that he remains on track to winning the GOP presidential nomination. But it also explains why he’s unable to pull away from his under-funded and less-organized opposition.
*** The good news for Romney: He increases his delegate lead: So that’s the bad news for Romney. The good news for him is the delegate score from last night. Here are our projections how the delegates will split: Romney 219, Santorum 97, Gingrich 82, Paul 22. And overall (with those projections), it’s Romney 338, Santorum 114, Gingrich 112, and Paul 30. But if it’s only about delegates, then consider this: It’s likely that Romney won’t be able to get the necessary 1,144 needed to capture the nomination until late May or even afterwards, if Santorum and Gingrich stay in the race. And that race would continue 1) as the battleground moves next week to the non-Romney-friendly states of Alabama and Mississippi, and 2) as Santorum has begun to ramp up his criticism of Romney’s health-care law. But to demonstrate the math advantage Romney has, consider this: To get to 1,144, Santorum would need to win 62% of all REMAINING delegates; if you assume that Romney wins in his regional strongholds (New York, Connecticut etc), then Santorum needs to win in all other places at a 67% clip; and if you assume that party insider delegates (the RNC version of super delegates) break for Romney 65%-35%, then Santorum would need 71% of the remaining delegates in primaries, caucuses and conventions to get the nomination. Bottom line: The math for Santorum isn’t TECHNICALLY impossible, but it’s HIGHLY improbable.
*** Does Gingrich stay or does he go? Then there’s the question about Gingrich: Does he stay or does he go? Last night, NBC’s Andrew Rafferty notes, Santorum chief strategist John Brabender said the campaign wants the race to become a one-on-one contest, though Brabender maintained it won’t call for Gingrich to drop out. "We're never going to call on anybody to get out, but what we are calling is on Tea Party supporters and conservatives is to rally behind the only candidate that has demonstrated over and over again that he's the one who can compete against Mitt Romney," Brabender said. But a senior Gingrich aide replied, per NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell: "In turn we can make the same argument. The worst part of Santorum's analysis is he doesn't realize he is splitting the moderate vote with Romney." Yet consider this: Outside of Georgia (the one state he won), Gingrich finished third or fourth in every primary where he was on the ballot. Not a single SECOND place anywhere else -- not in Tennessee, not in Oklahoma.
*** What’s next: The GOP race now moves to Kansas (March 10); Alabama, Hawaii, and Mississippi (March 13); Illinois (March 20); and Louisiana (March 24). Based on past races, the only safe ground for Romney might be Illinois (and maybe Hawaii, too). Then again, Romney continues to have the ad-spending advantage in all of these states, except for Hawaii and Kansas. .
Alabama: Restore Our Future (pro-Romney $840,000), Winning Our Future (pro-Gingrich) $290,000
Hawaii: Paul $39,000
Illinois: Restore Our Future $660,000, Gingrich $16,000
Kansas: Winning Our Future $144,000
Louisiana: Restore Our Future $460,000, Winning Our Future $3,000, Gingrich $1,000
Mississippi: Restore Our Future $750,000, Winning Our Future $240,000, Santorum $4,000
*** Three notes on this ad spending: One, notice that the pro-Romney Super PAC -- but NOT the Romney campaign -- is advertising in these states. It’s yet another sign that the Romney campaign doesn’t have much money left (the FEC report on March 20 will be interesting to see. Two, where would Gingrich be without Sheldon Adelson and the Adelson-funded Super PAC. And three, no one has gotten more bang for his campaign-spending buck than Santorum.
*** On the trail, per NBC’s Adam Perez: Gingrich holds four events in Alabama… And Santorum spends his day in Mississippi.
*** Obama lectures GOP rivals, especially Romney, about their bellicose rhetoric: In addition to Super Tuesday, the other big political event yesterday was President Obama’s White House news conference. And what struck us the most was when he lectured his GOP rivals on their rhetoric toward Iran. “Those folks don’t have a lot of responsibilities,” he said. “They’re not commander-in-chief. And when I see the casualness with which some of these folks talk about war, I’m reminded of the costs involved in war. I’m reminded that the decision that I have to make in terms of sending our young men and women into battle, and the impacts that has on their lives, the impact it has on our national security, the impact it has on our economy. This is not a game. There’s nothing casual about it.” When can tell you that Obama was, in particular, referring to Romney and his speech at AIPAC. Here’s what Romney said, via satellite:”I will station multiple carriers and warships at Iran’s door.” The Obama White House gets particularly animated over these criticisms about Iran, and believes Romney should be held more accountable for his rhetoric. It was quite striking that Romney decided to sound not just hawkish but almost as if he'd overrule his military commanders about where to move American battleships.
*** Kucinich, Schmidt lose: Finally, it’s worth pointing out that we saw two congressional incumbents go down to defeat in Ohio last night. First, in a race due to redistricting, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D) lost a primary race to Rep. (D) Marcy Kaptur (D). And get this: “Kaptur moves on to the November general election where she likely will face Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, better known as ‘Joe the Plumber.’” And also in Ohio, Rep. Jean Schmidt (R) lost her GOP primary against Brad Wenstrup, “a doctor who has never held political office,” the Cincy Enquirer says. We know that there will be other member-vs.-member contests as a results of redistricting, but you have to ask yourself: Is this the start of another anti-Washington year?
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The term ‘Super’ means something that is beyond ordinary and usually something that stands for truth and justice. Super also could be a term associated with someone like Batman or Superman or better yet the Hall of Justice with those like a youth named Svante Myrick, who is the youngest mayor of Ithaca New York, who is another upcoming BLACK representative of the United States of America.
President Obama is a ‘Super’…
But these Whackadoodles on the FAR RIGHT? There was nothing ‘Super’ about yesterday. No, not a bit. Matter of fact, the stock market dropped dramatically because it caught wind of all the craziness that was about to pour out of the Republithug party.
I would say that it was ‘Villainous’ Tuesday with the Bizarros and the Jokers still out running amuck causing mayhem and chaos. But leave it up to the ‘SUPERS’ such as the Myricks and the Obamas to ‘BAM’ ‘POW’ ‘ZING’ and ‘KABLOOEY’ all the ‘Villains’ and their henchmen back to the rock from which they crawled out from under.
Now that’s justice.
Romney comes from behind to beat Santorum in Ohio, but outspends him 6 to 1 to do so. What does it say about the average American voter that s/he makes up her/his mind based on a barrage of television advertising?
Let's all give Willard a round of applause for his resounding victories last night!
*snark off*
Willard & his merry band of millionaires carpet bombed OH & could only squeak out a 1% win? lmao
What a JOKE!
LouisJ
The term ‘Super’ means something that is beyond ordinary and usually something that stands for truth and justice. Super also could be a term associated with someone like Batman or Superman or better yet the Hall of Justice with those like a youth named Svante Myrick, who is the youngest mayor of Ithaca New York, who is another upcoming BLACK representative of the United States of America.
Good morning Louis
The term for the GOP / tea baggers is diminutive.
ROFL all that Superpac MONEY and Mitt just can't pull it together. See I told ya'll money can't buy everything. Let the fools keep wasting time and money''
Obama/Biden 2012
Good morning Bev... I hope you are having a blessed day!!!
But Jack, on a humorous and yet serious note, when any Republican comes up behind anyone, you better be prepared to get screwed...
Amazing how close it was in Ohio.
"You have not failed. You have a president who has failed you."
That's a line from Mitt Romney's speech last night, and a pretty good one too. It speaks to the despair many are experiencing in our slow motion economic recovery, and highlights the incompetence of the man who has presided over their pain. And it frames an issue that resonates deeply and broadly throughout the country as exit polls show the economy is far and away the biggest concern of voters. By comparison, culture war issues like contraception barely register despite the left's full court press in trying to create a "war on women" narrative. Nope it's still the economy stupid, and as long as that is the case Obama will remain highly vulnerable.
Another line Romney has been using lately is: "more jobs, less debt, smaller government." That's another good one, the kind of line that can fit on a bumper sticker yet still convey a deep meaning that voters can grasp and respond to. Even more, it's a line that resonates particularly well with the more conservative elements of the Republican party by articulating an economic growth message, a fiscal conservative message, and a pro-freedom anti-big government message – all in six little words. Not bad.
Yet the MSM is delighting in telling us that Romney did not succeed in conclusively settling the fight for the nomination last night. In fact, if you read the NYT or the WaPo (and of course FR) this morning you would almost come away wondering if Romney won much of anything yesterday besides being first among equals in a self-destructive party. Whatever. Unless the unemployment rate is miraculously cut in half by November, ANY Republican candidate will have a credible shot at pushing our accidental president into early retirement. And neither the MSM nor the president's $1 billion war chest would be able to save Obama from the political fate he so richly deserves.
bill,
"Another line Romney has been using lately is: "more jobs, less debt, smaller government."
I agree it is a clear line for conservatives. But beyond the bumper sticker quality, how does Romney fill in the details?
Ol' Willard ain't seen nuthin' yet! Wait until the battering he's gonna take on November 6, assuming he makes it that far. :)
Yep! that's right, Bill, and his name was GEORGE W. BUSH.
Jack----I always try to remember that average Americans aren't as tuned in to politics as we junkies are. That said, there seems to be a naivete in that voters from both parties learn about the candidates from the TV ads and they assume that the ads are true. And all the "truth squads" and "pants on fire" scrutiny of the ads after the fact can't unring that bell.
Louis,
That's not only funny but it's true, and you have to wonder about the people who consistently vote against their self-interest.
Bill Fairfax,
You have had several opportunities over the past couple of days to admit you were wrong in finding Rush's "slut" comment humorous. Your steadfast refusal to do so strips you of all credibility on this site. You should tuck your tail between your legs and go home because no one's paying any attention to you or your posts any more.
Steeler Fan,
Agreed. But you don't need to be a political junkie to educate yourself about the candidates' policies. It's supposed to be what democracy is all about. I guess I'm saying I don't really know whether democracy works.
I love these primaries. They (the Clowns) just keep entertaining us. All the name calling and mud slinging is just so much fun to watch. I hope NOBODY drops out of the game. Meanwhile, President Obama must be sitting back smiling and taking notes on how these clowns are destroying each other. What a Playbook he'll have against the eventual Repug Candidate when it comes to Debate time. I can't wait.
Give Ohio 48 hours. That's how long it has taken in past close contests for something screwy to start surfacing, in terms of unusual circumstances benefitting Romney's vote count.
Not saying anything is going on... Just an odd coincidence so far, both in the fact of so many irregularities occuring in one primary cycle, and that all of 'em seem to work to the advantage of one guy.
Waffle Flip Romney needs to keep his mouth shut about issues with Iran, in which he knows nothing about. I prefer to let the adult, President Obama handle such matters.
What Romney has failed to do among many things, is explain how his proposals for tax cutting and program cutting actually results in anything that will decrease the national debt. Without revenue you can cut everything to the bone and it won't touch the debt. Before we consider big tax breaks for the rich we should be addressing the debt. Obama's budget at least begins to do that. Romney adds to the debt, unless we see what amounts to uncharacteristic growth. I think it is naive to expect that tax cuts are going to produce that kind of growth given our recent history, and the nature of the global economy. Right now from my perspective all Romney wants to do is increase the disparity of wealth in the country to an even greater extent than it has grown in the last 30 years. Unless someone on the republican side can explain how making the rich more wealthy and everyone else poorer will improve the nations economic health I think we have to re-elect the president.
Louisj -- You are correct by identifying Obama as a "Super." A Super is the landlord over the slums he created. Yep. You are right.
You must be pretty well politically ignorant or living under a rock to be surprised that the Ohio primary was close. It was expected for over a week.
Democracy in a country as diverse as ours and with a population of over 300 million people is a tough nut for sure.
But right now it's the best we've got...and I get down on my knees every day to thank the universe that we all get JUST. ONE. VOTE.
We are so lucky to be Americans.
As citizens in a democracy, it is our duty to make educated, thoughtful, informed choices at the polls. At least there are people (and some of them are represented here) who do care and who do believe ours is a system worth saving.
One statistic from yesterday that is interesting that is somewhat being reported (then dismissed as well this is a Republican state anyway which anyone who says so is a blind coward), Obama lost 18% of the vote in the primary in Oklahoma to Randall Terry who beat this lameduck, lamebrained, idiotic, egotistical, snobbish president in 12 counties. ROFLMAO.
"no one's paying any attention to you or your posts any more"
By golly it seems at least one person is paying attention. Thanks for reading.
JOB1 You are so right, I listened to the Commander-in-Chief (adult) yesterday.
Romney's policies add trillions to the debt according the the WSJ. The man has no depth behind his rhetoric. And his ratings amongst independents is dropping fast. When the general election kicks in, if Romney wins the primaries, he will have to answer to a broad electorate. It will be a difficult feat to walk back the far right positions he has taken. Couple that with his support for vouchers for Medicare and privatizing of SS and the senior vote will bail. Voter turnout is down in most states and overall there is a lack of enthusiasm associated with the candidates. That said, good luck in the general election Republicans. From my perspective you're gonna need it!
Ohio was a tough battle for not just presidential candidates but for Congressional representatives as well. It does not surprise me completely that Dennis Kucinich lost because re-districting often combines very different political leaning areas. With the heated discussion on contraception, it does not surprise me that a woman defeated Kucinich because many women are a bit tired of men, even democrats who traditionally share their views, are fighting battles they prefer to fight themselves. As for republican Jean Schmidt, FR doesn't mention whether she was a Tea Party republican or a moderate or what. First Read may be right, though, this could reflect that voters really mean what they say about being unhappy with the folks who are currently holding office. Should be interesting to watch this aspect but we need to keep in mind that redistricting also mean that the House candidates are often relatively unknown in the newly combined areas making them not an true incumbent.
Newt Gingrich's "I won Georgia" speech last night had to be the most boring one in modern times. He droned on and on saying a lot of things but saying nothing of substance. The crowd cheered him but seriously if this is the guy with the "big ideas", he didn't tell us much. He did push his books, though. He vowed to go on to Alabama, and, and, and....sounding like Howard Dean in Iowa without the yee-haw scream at the end.
Are we going to talk about the 'elephant' in Willard's room last night? Was that speech read from a
****GASP****
TELEPROMPTER?
LMAO. Lord help us if Willard goes off script, eh? hee hee
This is getting good!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jack,...can you believe the arrogance of someone who would quote themselves in the third person? lololol
Hey, Ben - it WAS Oklahoma, right? 'nuff said.
The real Romney message, to his true constituency (at least in my view).
I think there is a growing sense among the top levels of the so-called 'investor class' that this is it. We've passed a point of no return with the debt, as has much of Europe (even countries beyond the PIIGS headlines), and that some sort of traumatic future lies ahead. Usually that debate is between those who see deflation and those who see hyperinflation on a mass scale throughout the developed world.
If I'm right about that growing sense (and by the way, I think they are probably right about our economic future), it makes sense the next few years will see an even more desperate race to grab the last bit of profits each can, as well as a race to then safeguard those profits in gold, other non-dollar and non-euro assets and currency, etc.
Enter Romney, and his message of one last hurrah for tax cuts, especially cuts on taxes for capital gains. Granted, his biggest capital gains cut proposals have been for those with smaller AGIs, but it's telling he's taking this approach. It's like Romney telling fund managers and other key players: "hey, we all know this is ending - get me in the White House and I'll do what I can to help you prepare for what's next."
Oh Jesus!
Just heard the first Willard PAC ad here in IL... guess it's our turn to be bombarded with the bull@!$%#!
Blech!
What a great speech in Detroit the other day -- especially when the liar in chief was monumentally embarrassed when he said he would buy and drive Volt in 5 years (a lie in itself) and in a matter of hours the Volt production was halted with the announcement sales were no where near projections. The other embarrassment is that the Volt was named car of the year in Europe. Get it through your "thick" head you failure -- THE USA IS NOT EUROPE!!!!!!
Jack, you seem to want to be the judge or moderator to the discussions around here. A worthy position for sure. But being you're not really fit for the position, why don't you grace us all with your wisdom of all things liberal rather than being some kind of strange cheerleader for the Left or using your politics of personal destruction for those you disagree with.
Either that or put everyone on Ignore so you can only hear your own words echo through your head.
And Bill - Great post. Spot on.
The spin from the Obama cheerleaders goes something like- Romney won, but so what? WE are still dazzled by Obama!
You may find yourselves uncomfortably alone in that cult very soon.
Yesterday, Obama could not resist interjecting himself into the news cycle- held himself a press conference, he did. First one in a dog's age- and the media pretends they simply did not notice the peculiar coincidence that it happened to be Super Tuesday!(others did notice- I got a peculiar email yesterday afternoon, telling me to go to, of all things, a soap opera board. Seems there were a ton of folks very peeved that he had pre-empted their favorite soap opera. It was a hoot! Every single one of those soap addicts understood that he just HAD to get in front of the cameras on Super Tuesday. Seems weird that the media missed it.)
The other odd thing the media missed?
Time travel.
I listened to Obama talk about Iran, the the "loose talk" from his "opponents". 'I am the Commander in Chief', therefore, the only one qualified to know what to do about Iran. Did he actually hire Carter's speech writer for that portion of his program?
I was a very young woman when our Embassy personnel were taken hostage in Iran. I remember, very well, Carter telling us that talk of freeing them was unwise- we were letting the Swiss handle the negotiations, and all this talk of "doing something" was imperiling those talks- and putting the hostages in greater danger. There were no other options, we were told, because to do anything other than let the Swiss negotiate would lead to an adverse outcome. He, too, reminded the nation that he was CIC- and thus, the only one with the knowledge and forethought as to how to proceed.
Turned out he was as competent to deal with that crisis as he was to deal with gas shortages and a stumbling economy.
Weird how Obama turned out to be his clone, is it not?
"That's not only funny but it's true, and you have to wonder about the people who consistently vote against their self-interest." Opinions are great, the thing that makes them great are......they are ours alone. So forgive me if I do not share the same opinion as you do! I didn't realize it until I got home and talked with my wife, apparently her and a group of her friends didn't appreciate their soap disrupted yesterday. I made a note dont piss off older republican women.
Jack,
As you can see, Mr. Me First Fairfux is only a legend in his OWN mind!
The Army of Swine on the Left
Yesterday I did a post listing numerous examples of well known left wing personalities who repeatedly used language that was insulting to women. Most responses to that post were deliciously incoherent. The way folks contorted themselves trying to draw a distinction between Rush Limbaugh's remarks and comments made by liberal slugs like Ed Schultz, Matt Tiabbi, Bill Maher and others was an exercise in logic defying ju jitsu that was remarkable to behold.
But the absolute best part – the part none of the leftists chose to mention -- is that my post was based on an article written by a LIBERAL WOMAN!!! Yes indeed, Kirsten Powers decided to hold the mirror up to liberal land and expose the "army of swine on the left" as she so colorfully put it. Oh…..my…..gosh. Well Kirsten, you may as well kiss good-bye to any talking head gig on a liberal show. The long knives of the left may coming out for YOU – and all you did was tell the truth. But that's the way it is with the left, the messengers of inconvenient truths are always trashed as we can see on this board any day of the week.
I only used some of the material in her piece and would encourage any objective reader to take a stroll through the whole thing. Happy reading.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/04/rush-limbaugh-s-apology-liberal-men-need-to-follow-suit.html?bcsi-ac-48DA2FEFEF936D61=1E52B54C00000102pawWndaRSgMfOM0o2C2lb3IzD1mIBwAAAgEAANlJHACEAwAAAAAAAPOdAQA
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P.S. From my post #1.58 on Monday:
"Liberal poster: But please tell me you don't think Rush's calling Ms. Fluke a slut was funny.
Me: OK, I didn't think it was funny. In fact, I was surprised Rush went that far to make his point"
So to all of the leftist slugs around here who continue to lie about my position on this matter: stick it where the sun don't shine.
okay i can careless about those candidates, where ron paul?! dont ya think he should on top i think yes!!! corruption smh
Yesterday was the annual wallet extraction visit to the CPA to finish up the 2011 income taxes. It’s never a fun time, but, I did enjoy two parts of the meeting: 1) By trimming a couple of bad picks in my holdings I avoided paying any taxes on other capital gains and ended up with a $3,000 deduction against other income like wages and interest, and 2) I got another Foreign Tax Credit based on my international mutual fund holdings (nowhere near the $21,000 Foreign Tax Credit Barry took on his foreign book sales on his 2010 return, but, I still enjoyed it).
The most interest part was the CPA’s opinion that, if Barry gets re-elected, there’s a 33% chance that he will let ALL the Bush-Obama tax cuts expire in 2013 including for those making under $250,000. The logic behind this is that, since he wouldn’t have to worry about another re-election, he might just make an all-in bet and threaten to use the veto if the Republican’s defy him and insist on extending ALL the Bush-Obama tax cuts as a bargaining chip for his desire to extend them only for those making under $250,000. After all, just like yesterday’s press conference showed, in his mind, it’s ALL about him.
Now, that would be Hillaryous!!!!!
Santorum is a NUT, plain and simple. SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE, dingbat - it's one of the BASIC principles..... sheesh!!!
Fiesty, why would Romney's message bother you in Illinois? The Obama policies and the democratic machine have created a financial utopia in Illinois right? Its worked out so well for the state so far, why would you want to listen to someone else? You know how that tax increase that was supposed to swell the state's coffers by 60%, how has that worked out so far? How about those unfunded union pension liabilities? Come on, explain how we are the guineau pig for Obama's national economic policies so please post here and explain to us fiscal conservatives how well they are doing so far?
There is one voice I trust in the great State of Oklahoma, and that is skip in Oklahoma City.
I'd prefer to hear his analysis, thanks.
I agree with that, Paul. The difference for me (I'm not among the one percenters) is that I believe we can survive a total economic collapse. When the wolf is at the door and you have nothing left, you still have your brain, your hands and your land.
Only cowards give up. The strong will survive.
"Seems there were a ton of folks very peeved that he had pre-empted their favorite soap opera. It was a hoot! Every single one of those soap addicts understood that he just HAD to get in front of the cameras on Super Tuesday. Seems weird that the media missed it.)"
Talk about "spin"! Soap opera fans? Is that all you've got? Soap opera fans would complain if their soap was interrupted for coverage of an invasion from Mars. But NoJoe would have us believe they never complained about being interrupted by any other president in history having a news conference.
And this is what the media should be covering? You're right NJ - that's a total hoot!
When these 4 clowns take the horse drawn carriage ride around the Capitol in November, they'll still be fighting each other over who gets to sit directly behind the horse right after feeding.
Did anyone else notice how Ben tried to turn an 82-18 shellacking into a positive for the republican party in Oklahoma? ROFLMAO.
What a jerk Santorum is, this loser won Oklahoma & Tennessee and all the delegates go to Romney, is this how he would run this Country, we would go bankrupt in no time with this nut. Stop voting for this loser, he is Phony as a three dollar bill.
Bill in Fairfax..................good posts. I enjoy reading some common sense on this liberal rag site. The libs are really shrieking lately about Rush but we didn't hear much from them when creepy bill maher called Palin a c^nt. Yup, a bunch of hipocrits!! And, as for Ms fluck, if the shoe fits..................................
I am liking this man Ron Paul. His message does not change as he moves from state to state. He is constant and believes in The Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States of America. In fact, this man has read both documents. He also wants the Federal Reserve, a private Corporation, to open their books for review. I know many people think they are part of the federal government but they really have never been and never will be. On top of all of that and much more he has a sense of humor.
Talk about people who vote against their self interests!! That's the South for you. The Republicans keep the people in the South poor, ignorant and the pastor's in the churches here preach that only voting for the pro-life extremists will get you to heaven or send you to hell. Whichever way you want to look at it. It's pathetic.
You Dems seem scared and a little desperate. And you should be. Your guy is going down soon. no matter how witty and sarcastic you want to be.
For those still denying that some on the right have no agenda against women I suggest you read the article linked. This is outrageous and sadly just another example of how the right is waging a war on women.
Headline: Wisconsin Bill Claims Single Moms Cause Child Abuse by Not Being Married
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/wisconsin-bill-claims-single-moms-cause-child-abuse-011200419.html
Wonder how the recount in Ohio will go. Chuck Todd indicated last night that if the vote is close 2% or less, there's an automatic recount; I assume that includes primaries.
It's just Bill being Bill, but Romney's words that the President has failed people is arrogant and a flat-out lie which is what Romney speaks most of the time. Romney lies about his own record, his own policies and views, including his own health care plan. Shoot, he can't even admit that he's rich. I don't care if he's rich or not but pretending he's not is a "failure" to be truthful. Romney wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and introduced itself.
SUPER = SUPERMAN.
Well, Rick Santorum let me down again, just like in MIchigan. I sat in front of the TV last night wearing my best sweater vest watching his 15,000 vote lead evaporate. Went to bed when Romney got 5,000 votes ahead of him.
But Santorum should be given some credit for pointing out something about Mitt Romney in the midst of the usual crazy anti-Obama rant he did last night that the media will probably overlook: Mitt got caught in another bald-faced lie. Santorum mentioned that in 2009, Romney wrote an opinion article for USA Today advising the federal government to adopt Massachusetts' individual mandate for health insurance. Now Mittens is denying he ever made such a suggestion even though the USA Today article still available online. Even conservative Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough picked up on it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/joe-scarborough-mitt-romney-health-care_n_1323650.html?ref=politics&ir=Politics
All politicians bend the truth for their own benefit, and sometimes outright lie, but I've never seen any politician tell such enormous lies so casually. Does America really need a cowardly liar like Romney as president?
Pro Life is pathetic? wow, PRO LIFE is Pathetic! PRO LIFE!!!!!! are you kidding what kind of person are you?????
LouisJ, the stock market dropped yesterday because of the Republicans? You're delusional, but I hope you keep believing everything you write. It will make beating Obama in November that much easier.
The REAL reason the market dropped is the world economy is still in shambles and will likely keep dragging us down with it.
But keep dreamin' LoiusJ! I think David Axelrod is on the same meds as you.
Hey all, realize most of you might not be aware of the "Voter Fraud" that has been happening in every state these guys have been voted on so far. Every state so far including Ohio and Virginia: Fox News Suggests Fraud On Super Tuesday In Ohio and Virginia Election, NBC says voter registration fraud is not "voter fraud".
North Dakota caucus fraud: Start - Ron Paul 60, Mitt Romney 09, Rick Santorum 19, Newt Gingrich 01
Later - Rick Santorum 40% Ron Paul 28% Santorum won with more than 1,300 votes above Ron Paul
How did RP go down from 60 to 28?
WE need to know that whoever gets elected is REALLY OUR choice, and not made for us.
If Santorum is the candidate I hate to say I will be FORCED to vote for Obama.
Anyone who doesn't want to live in a theocracy will be forced to vote Obama.
Dems aren't afraid or desperate - they are enjoying the free votes being pushed our way by the freak show that is the Republican Primary.
Analysis misses a lot.
Romney is going to lock up the nomination in April (unless Santorum and Gingrich want to be really stubborn with no hope of winning).
While Romney isn't going to get the ultra conservative vote, even across the south he got, business votes, people who have larger incomes, people focused on the economy, and people who want to beat Obama.
They make it seem like he wasn't competitive in TN, OK and he was. If he is gonna eek out midwest states, win the west coast states, perform well in Mormon territory (Nevada, Idaho he both won big), get the Conservative far North East, and win the liberal east coast, *he's going to get the nomination*
Does anyone doubt he is gonna win CA and NY? Looking at the coming contests, Gingrich is actually gonna hurt Santorum in MI, AL, LA. While Romney will probably win contests in IL, HA, etc.
Then on April 26, you have CT, RI, DE, PA, NY up for grabs. That looks like a clean sweep for Romney. He'll probably lock it up then, unless Santorum/Gingrich really want to just keep going with no possibility of winning.
LouisJ, Your analogy makes me believe that you are living in a comic book world. Anyone that believes either of the two major parties are looking out for their best interests isn't paying attention. This Country has been slipping into despair for many years regardless of the party in charge. Blind ideology is what is hurting us more than anything.
Fiesty said:
Oh Jesus!
Just heard the first Willard PAC ad here in IL... guess it's our turn to be bombarded with the bull@!$%#!
Blech!
Well, I guess you reap what you sow!!
Bill in Fairfax -- You said:
Do you think Rush's comment on wanting Ms. Fluke to send in a video of her having sex is funny? How about the comment concerning his view Ms. Fluke is a "prostitute", is that funny to you? In your post on Friday you appeared to be saying you found that part of Rush's rant funny. Are those statements made by Rush funny or not Bill?
Seeing as you did not answer this question Monday I thought I would ask one last time.
Rob numbers, liberals scared of these candidates? You get the gold star for best joke of the day.
We have not had a strong and effective president since Reagan, and the next five years look pretty empty regardless. Why don't you all just admit it.
Jody - what would be interesting is to see politifact or factcheck measure all the statements he has made. I think we would find something along the line of 80% lies, 20% truths. Of course if he were liable for his SuperPac lies, the truth count would plummet.
Reagan was pretty terrible actually.
Clinton was pretty good. At least he could effectively compromise with the GOP.
Joe Albany:
That's what David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's OMB director, also suggested would be necessary if anything serious was going to be done about the budget deficit. The same has been said by other conservative economists. But you really don't give a hoot about the deficit, do you Joe?
My guess is that there will be SOME tax increases below the $250 K level, but not until after there's a full recovery from the Bush Recession, and probably done gradually, not by an abrupt repeal of all the tax cuts. If Obama doesn't do it, the next president will, even it's a Republican -- unless the Republican is a crazy ideologue like Santorum or a spineless jellyfish like Romney.
Houston.............we already have a cowardly liar as president.
Maybe that's because Bill Maher was right.
Have a nice day.
Thank you Ruken!!!!!! You make a very evident point that a pretty good president could effectively compromise with the GOP -- ergo this president isn't worth a sh*& cause he can't compromise with anyone -- not even his own party.
Also -- No one is forced to vote for any one. It is free will and our right as legal citizens of this country (with proof) to vote.
I want my thinking conservatives back.
You can see the ludicrous part of the 'right' just killing their own party. Rick Santorum asks Newt to resign? As of last count I saw, they have the same number of delegates. But Santorum sure is giving Democrats plenty of ammo against Romney if he wins, and probably making sure extremists do not show up to vote Republican, either. 'Don't vote for a Mormon.' A quote from a psychotic guy who calls himself an evangelical priest? Really?
It is easy to identify the problem people. Its all the people who STILL think Rush Limbaugh did no wrong. I don't need to have examples of leftist extremists who've done the same thing to justify what was heinous behavior. I don't need to know there are a-holes everywhere to watch Rush only apologize because he didn't want to lose more sponsors. And I don't need some dummy who thinks they get to tell me what a conservative is to follow his pontificating radicals around like a gosling and feel all entitled.
Someone needs to rotor rooter the extremists on the right. The extremists on the left, currently, are annoying as all hell, but are a lot more harmless.
If I was going to put money on it, I'd say Obama wins.
Barring a huge war, or a massive implosion of the global economy.
If the course holds like now, unemployment will be lower, the US economy will be growing at a steady clip, and the deficit for the year will be much smaller than last year. That just all points out win. Plus stacking side by side, the Republican candidates just have a lot of negativity.
Romney probably does have the best shot because he has the resources, the organization, and he's going to attract a lot of business focused people. Given that he'll be the default GOP vote, the other ultra conservative voters will fall in line behind him.
But Obama still wins that contest because he will draw the minority votes by a substaintial margin, + democrats, + moderates who will swing with the direction of the economy.
The only thing that's pathetic about the pro-life movement is that they care nothing for the people that have already been born.
Well to be fair, the GOP of the 90s is nothing like the GOP of today. The GOP is doing itself a major disservice by allowing themselves to be hijacked by the radical TP members.
Bill in VA:
I listened to Romney's speech last night and not surprisingly had an entirely different reaction. I saw a candidate who promised "less debt, more jobs, and smaller government" but failed to say how he would deliver it. Lets look at each "leg" of his stool:
Less Debt: The only details he offered were a 20% across-the-board reduction in taxes, elimination of the Inheritance tax, and elimination of the AMT. How would he offset this massive decrease in revenue? What would he cut? Why cut taxes at all? I am not saying we should raise taxes, but they are at historically low rates already.
More Jobs: He claimied to know how government can create jobs, but if you look at his record in MA it was in the lower tier compared to other states. More jobs by eliminating regulations? If Obama's regulations are killing jobs then are new jobs being added at a faster rate the longer we get into Obama's presidency? Demand creates jobs, not "job creators".
Smaller Government: I assume he means repeal so-called Obamacare and cut regulations. That means a step backwards to the unregulated environment that helped create this mess we are in now. And if we repeal the AHCA what do we do about out-of-control healthcare costs?
A bumper sticker slogan is nice (and obviously something he can remember) but I am disappointed at the lack of details and ideas from someone who professes to be such a good businessman.
Vasectomies, damned vasectomies. Why are taxpayers having to pay for men's birth control? Oh, they're not? That's paid for by insurance, you say?
Well, then why are women having to pay for promiscuous men in their health insurance premiums? Oh, because the insurance covers the reproductive organs of both sexes, you say? This is about reproductive health, not sex?
Oh, you mean that when a woman has some sort of medical issue that can be remedied by birth control pills that's just fine? No, that's different, you say, because women who take birth control pills are sluts?
Yes, I see now. That's a very powerful argument. I wonder if you could find a spokesman who can broadcast this truth nationwide?
Gotta run now and tell my daughter she's a slut. Gotta get her off those pills. Damn, all this time I thought she was a pretty good kid.
Isn't that the weirdest damned thing? Last night, Republicans swept every single race, and still these posts are being collapsed. What does it take to make a right-winger happy?
Kaybeetoys.
I see the hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds.
In taking Ohio, Romney won big last night. He had to outspend Sanctimodium 6 to 1 to do so, and that's a harbinger of things to come if Romney has his way.
Romney policies would add trillions in debt while siphoning off taxpayer money to wealthy folks like himself.
Thet's good enough to fool Joe, er Sam, the Plumber, er tax dodging welfare cheat, but let's hope the American electorate aren't stupid enough to fall for it.
Mitt Romney: a dog's worst friend.
He is pulling away despite the MSNBC slant to every story about him. MSNBC was the first to target Romneys religion again in this campaign, MSNBC was the first to start on the "Flip Flopping" stories, MSNBC was the first to call Romney a moderate despite his extreme conservatism. MSNBC was the first to bring up Romneys tax return and make it an issue. MSNBC is also the most watched national news and the most viewed online media site. Do we get the picture here? MSNBC does not like Romney!
We all know Romney won't win in the "Bible Belt", it is a given that Santorum will win there as did Mike Hukabee in the 2008 elections. It is not a matter of who is most conservative, it is a matter of Romney being a Mormon.
MSNBC will no doubt start playing that card again as they already have done in this article. Romney will be bloodied more, but not by the voters, by the media.
usa1967
You mean WILL have if Mittens is elected. I actually posted a real live instance of Romney's cowardly lying about the health care mandate. But you can't back up your attack on Obama. The only Obama that conforms to the description of a coward and liar is the fevered imaginations of idiots like you in the terminal stages of Obama Derangement Syndrome,.
@Kaybee -- Well when one goes on the Springer show (which is what that Democrat staged circus was), then one deserves to be called a slut.
You have a nice day too.
That's funny, considering her testimony had nothing to do with sex.
Well said SF! So many people are buying that crap along with the inflammatory rhetoric and out right lies of the Right Wing Noise Machine.
This reminds of 1992 when the clowns were the seven Democrat dwarves (Clinton, Gore, et al). What happened to the sitting first-term president that time...?
Off the Headline....
LOL ...as if there's a single "GOP" voter anwhere within spitting distance of the "First Read" staff to back that up with... good try (not)
Tag you're it. Oh boy, I just can't wait until October when we have to hear them all over again. They are so bad you can smell them (thank God for the DVR)!
One man's hypocrisy is another man's hard-nosed honesty.
Here in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
Don't compare Limbaugh's pathetic attempt at slander to a comedian's apt description.
Have a nice day.
Hah! If Limbaugh feels free to insult a young woman student at a fine law school for testifying before congress, imagine what names he calls his wife and his mother. Deservedly too!
You see, a misogynist doesn't discriminate with his freedom of speech.
Women voters --who comprise more than half the U.S. electorate--will decide whose side they're supporting on November 6. Stay tuned.
If women (because only women watch soaps right you right wingers?) don't vote for Obama because he interrupted their soap operas once, on a Tuesday (which is one of the most uneventful days for soap story line development) for a press conference then this country's in worse shape than I thought and we might as well elect someone like Mitt and watch our own ship sink due to our own idiocy.
USA1967,
I believe Mr. Limbaugh is the slut.
David, can you provide me the state or federal mandate requiring employers to pay for elective vasectomies? Your point is beyond absurd. You are comparing apples with oranges. Many employers dont pay for vasectomies as they consider it elective cosmetic surgery, its up to the employer to decide what benefit it provides and pays for in the health plans it offers its employees. Totally different than the federal government mandating non medically necessary contraception dont you think? I know the playbook would like to make this about woman's issues and how the big bad GOP doesnt like women but if that were true, dont you think the GOP would be trying to stop mammograms from health insurance mandates but they dont do they. Stop absurd arguments that fly in the face of common sense. If you really were such a progressive that wanted employers to be mandated to cover certain medical costs, I would think you would be lobbying for obstetrics to be mandated or why not help the AIDS community by mandating coverage of all AIDs medication or mandating the coverage of all vaccines for children. If you made employers provide all of these for free, you would be doing far more good than worrying about contraceptives but I havent heard you or your kind on the street occupying this issue?
Sad to see so much money and energy being wasted on such an utterly useless endeavor.
Obama/Biden 2012
Sarah Palin is a c*#t - Bill Mahr
Laura Ingraham is a right-wing “slut.” - Ed Schultz
Sarah Palin has that “slutty flight attendant look” - David Letterman
I'm sure you have attack these men and have stood for a boycot against them, doing otherwise would mean your a worthless hypocrite.
I hope Ron Paul drops out of the race as a Repub and enters as a Libertarian and talk is that Sarah Palin may run in Aug if no rep is elected. I hope so!! She would do so much better than all the rest of the Republicans and Democrapes combined. She would have the Liberal Media so crapped out and everyone is so afraid of her. LMAO
ok, its my turn......can't wait for Obama to pack up and move out of the White House. Can't wait for Romney to move in. can't wait for this country to start healing and recovering what Obama caused us to lose. yes, i say Obama, because our turmoil happened on his watch. he cannot blame GW Bush, he cannot blame Clinton, he cannot blame anyone but himself. when Obama started his presidency, i was hopeful that he had the US' best interests at heart. i was hopeful that his track record would stay high. over the years during his presidency, he slid and kept sliding. he was bound to run his presidency the way he wanted to regardless of his staff, advisors and people he represented.
to change the subject somewhat, i feel this judge who made questionable, distasteful comments about Obama's mum, should be held accountable. i wonder if Obama will invite him to the white house to discuss what prompted this jugdge to comment the way he did.
Obama really needs to vacate the white house, his ruse is up, we need a strong man to get us back on course and out of this rut he got us into, not his cabinet, but he and he alone has done this to US.
can't wait to say goodbye to Obama, the white house needs a fresh scent.
You F*#$ing idiot. Have you ever been to a church where a lot of pro lifers go? Any? Every church I have ever been to works in the community to help with food, clothing, medical attention. Mission trips around the world delivering water, building shelters, charitable donations everywhere. The fact anyone clicked the like key is just sad.
Logic - you might want to ask the Native Americans how much they appreciate all those mission trips your lot provided to them.
(Remember smallpox?)
"Gifts" from the anti-choicers are generally not free.
As a christian I cannot support a man who has joined a cult , who wants to be President of our great nation, and I call on all Christians of faith that if Romney gets the Republican nomination to not vote for him, I think it is better to keep someone in office who says is a christian than to put someone in who is a non believer. So all Christians nationwide do not listen to the Establishment of Republicans they are bought and paid for. Do Not Vote for Romney for President
Read the news, Logic. Sincere apologies were issued by Schultz and Letterman. I'm not certain if Maher apologized.
Don't expect a comedian's audience to apologize for him.
Why are you not outraged over Limbaugh's lies and his lame non-apology? Think about that before you judge someone else a hypocrite.
Newtisapig - Just to let you know that Rush Limbaugh is going to pick up 3 brand new sponsers and 2 that abandonded him are crawling back to him begging him to let them be sponsers again. Something about stock loss.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What are you talking about, Indians!!!???
I remember smallpox, I also remember it wasn't spread by Missionaries, but by early settlers who may have been Christian, but had no idea they carried a virus that Indians had not been exposed to and had no immune system to fight.
Government and military used it, but no mention of Missionaries.
And to Don't Carry It All and others with posts about Romney's claim of balancing the budget with MORE tax cuts plus increased defense spending (after he starts a war with Iran)... Romney backed the Paul Ryan plan, so privatizing Medicare is the first step he would take -- Lest voters forget!
But with the additional tax cuts for the rich, and defense spending untouched, even if Romney ended ALL programs by forgiving the IOU in the Social Security trust fund box and shutting SS down, or eliminating Medicare completely (vouchers--forgetaboutit), and of course any assistance for the poor (food stamps) or Medicaid, Romney STILL couldn't balance the budget. Being the liar and coward that he is, Romney refuses to answer questions on the topic, and this is why!
Back to Super Tuesday and the narrow wins (aside from Teapublican inability to conduct elections even when only within their own Party, and the fraud OMG), while it is reassuring to see that votes can't be bought (there is a saturation threshhold for negative ads, after which money is wasted, thank goodness) another disconcerting fact is that Santorum would be the front-runner now if Gingrich had dropped out.
I'll give it time for that to sink in. That's how weak Romney is that he can't win against this Field of Clowns. Gingrich will stay in until the upcoming southern states have voted, splitting the wacko votes thus keeping Santorum from his true title of front-runner.
Now some may think what a joy it would be to put religious radicalism on trial, and to see the Senate and House go down with Santorum. But knowing that conservatives actually vote for someone like this, especially if it's their only choice with (R) next to the name compared to the president and their irrational hatred for him, does anyone really want to take that chance?
And don't think that a crushing loss would be a teachable moment for these zealots. They have been crushed before (e.g., Goldwater) and look at them now -- Not just rehashing old debates like Roe v Wade, but Griswold v Connecticut and contraception! Heck, do you see any of them admitting how bad Citizen's United has been for their own nasty primary? The very definition of "conservative" is inability to change, to progress!
I hear and see all the confidence about President Obama being reelected. No doubt the president is the only adult in the room and deserves another term. But NEVER underestimatethe far-right fanatics in this country. On election day, these wing-nuts will get out the vote no matter how disappointing their candidate may be. So to all the Dems, Independents, and anyone with sanity -- help overcome voter ID issues for your neighbors and get out the vote!
Perhaps you should form a coalition with the 'Mutts Against Mitt' faction.
You'll have my support!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
So far, the Republican campaign has been based on 'anybody but Obama'. To replace Obama with 'anybody' - first you need to find somebody to run against Obama.
The worry is the low voter participation in the Republican primaries. If replacing Obama was actually the highest priority of the country - you would think more voters would be participating in selecting Mr. Anybody. The Republicans certainly are not building a mandate to replace Obama with less than 1 in 20 voters selecting Mr. Anybody. None of the Mr. Anybody candidates receive support from more than 1 in 50 voters. The Mr. Anybody candidates represent the political 2%.
This primary is not about the Constitution, the government, or even Obama. The battle is for the TEA Party to continue to be relevant in the Republican Party. The TEA Party have failed to become the Republican base - they are just another demographic group to be pandered to. Instead of becoming the core driving force in the Republican Party - the TEA Party is no more important than any other voter block -- women - evangelicals - Hispanics - Blacks - TEA Party.
The election is Obama's to win or lose. Obama is running on his record and the outcome will depend on how he defends that record. Obama is running unopposed.
Sincere apologies were issued by Schultz and Letterman. Sincere because you say so? Seems to me Schultz was suspended and MADE to apologize, and Letterman apologized for a joke involving one of Palins children not the jokes about her.
I'm not certain if Maher apologized. No he did not.
Why are you not outraged over Limbaugh's lies and his lame non-apology? Again, it's only a "non apology" because you say so, articles clearly state he apologized. (Don't listen to Rush so I don't want to comment to much on his statement or his apology.) I'm not "outraged" because both sides do it and it is just simple minded name calling which everyone does. I think people should say what they want and the thought and speech police should go suck an egg. Yes offensive and mean spirited things will be said, but if everyone turned those people off then we wouldn't have such a problem. Being outraged when Rush says something but totally quite when a liberal does the same thing is hypocritical, and no one takes you seriously. You may not agree with my stance but it is not hypocritical, and I'm for everyone being able to say what they want, and I will let people decide.
As another Christian let me tell you that saying someone is a member of a "cult" because they follow a different faith then your own is garbage. While I don't follow the Mormon faith I will not vote against someone for simply not being a Christian. Romney and almost every other Mormon I know have more in common with my views and faith then Obama or 90% of all Democrats. I think you are either a democrat trying to get Christians against Romney based on what you think Christians are like, or your a troll just trying to cause a stir by saying something stupid. You should know what you wrote was crap as soon as Kaybeetoys endorsed it.
True Patriot -- Clear and concise arguments that show strong contrasts between the parties. Carry on Patriot!
Kirk:
Last time ever. This is the reason you cannot be included in any debate. You just don't get it.
Surely, there cannot be another human being on this planet who believes a vasectomy qualifies as cosmetic surgery. (Oh yeah, we look down there when the procedure is completed, and say, "Man, that sucker shore is purty.")
For anyone who still foolishly believes that Kirk has even the slightest grip on reality, I urge you to go to this site. http://health.costhelper.com/vasectomy.html
Logic, dear, the distinction I make over what is or is not worthy of outrage is the truth of the statement.
Limbaugh had zero empirical proof that Sandra Fluke is, in fact, a "slut."
Thanks for the shout-out! :)
David -- LOL! Glad you addressed that issue!
And the fact Limbaugh seems to think that women need to take more birth control pills the more sex they have absolutely destroys any credibility he has in this matter.
LogicReguired
Even the devil goes to church. Let me explain this to you. The argument that conservatives care nothing about the fetus after it is born is a fact. They proudly proclaim, "pull yourself up by the boot straps" and "Everyone should fend for themselves" along with "Why should I use my money to take care of them?".
Sure, they go to church. They learn the teachings of the Bible. But, after the last hymn is sung and on the way out the door, they discuss among themselves how to tear down a housing project and get condos in.
Yes, they say they are christian, they go to bible study, they pray to God. But, they go to a website and post statements directly opposite of the Bible's teaching. Instead of honoring thy parents so they're days will be long upon the earth, they uphold a radio entertainer's derogatory statements dishonoring them. Instead of judge not lest you be judge, they judge everyone without their point of view as evil.
Next, they force their beliefs on others, taking away God's gift of free will. They denounce government getting involved in their lives but promote the government to make abortion, contraception, and gay marraige illegal. They demand the ten commandments to be displayed outside government buildings but only the christian ones.
To what does it benefit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?
Hmm, really? Seems to me that the daily commute alone involves "risk", as does various job related hazards, those are not "risks" that wealthy investors calling their brokers from the comfort of their mansions have to face. The only "risk" involved for the investor class is the possible risk of loosing money - and even that can be minimized if you can persuade Uncle Sam that you're too big to fail. Come to think of it, many "ordinary incomes" also risk loosing money, in particular small business owners that could suffer serious setbacks or even bankruptcy.
Just as I thought, Romney is "full of it", he just wants a special tax break for himself and his wealthy buddies, and that's his shallow excuse.
David, again you didnt even respond did you. Nice deflection to avoid being wrong. I had a vasectomy so I know exactly what it is but thanks for being the typical debater you are. When wrong deflect. Again I ask you, show me the federal or state mandate that requires vasectomy coverage by employers? I hate to tell you but there isnt one. Employers cover or dont cover vasectomies based on the design of the plan chosen by the EMPLOYER. You can deflect all you want and say this is why I cant debate you but it doesnt change the answer that you are wrong. This issue is all about economics and pandering for the female vote and has nothing to do with woman's rights or health or the GOP being against them. I noticed you totally ignored my other points as to if the GOP were against woman's rights and health wouldnt they be trying to eliminate the mandate for mammagrams? Or if you are so concerned about government intrusions why arent you championing the mandates for AIDs medication or vaccines but instead contraceptive coverage for free? Admit it you just were wrong again.
David, sometimes I wonder about your intelligence. Did you read the cite you posted ha. It confirms everything I said. Vasectomies are only covered by 70% of insurance plans because its considered elective in the others. 30% of employers by choice and design dont cover this procedure none cover a reversal. Do you even bother to read or critically think about the things you say? So this cite actually supports what I said, no mandates, elective and the employer chooses to cover and when covered, the employee must pay copays, deductives and out of pockets. My point is that employers should have this same choice to cover contraceptives, it shouldnt be mandated by the government. They dont even mandate vaccines for kids or life threatening AIDs medication but you want them to mandate a lifestyle drug. Misplaced priorities I think you have and so thats why this is purely about economics and pandering to female voters.
So want to try again David?
Even with an actual victory in Ohio, the case has been made that Santorum is just as strong and just as capable of winning big states and of capturing as much of the Republican electorate as Romney. Super Tuesday was supposed to be Mitt's coronation. Instead, it became justification for a conservative backlash against the frontrunner and more reason that the GOP primary is not anywhere close to ending. A brokered convention is the least of the worries for the party at this point. Mitt and Santorum are going to destroy each other, and the GOP's chances in November.
TheActivist
A brokered convention is the least of the worries for the party at this point. Mitt and Santorum are going to destroy each other, and the GOP's chances in November.
But, but, that can't be. Mitt is the knight on the white horse. The horse will be controlled by a remote when Mitt rides in. Hee Hee!!! ☺
I say the Welfare Queen goes. Winning one state demonstrates he is an epic failure and does not deserve tax payer provided Secret Service protection. The only thing to protect is Callista's bling and her cheap dime-store wig.
...the perception from Super Tuesday was that Romney continues to win when it matters, but that he also continues to be unable to put the GOP race away,...
This is just the narrative that the left wing media wants to sell. Santorum needed to win Ohio yesterday and he did not. Romney did well enough to put the nomination away. The difference between this race and previous ones is that this time there are Super PACs propping up candidates that would have otherwise run out of money a long time ago.
SI
Santorum has spent the least of all the candidates and Romney has outspent them all - and yet Santorum is still breathing down Romney's neck.
As much as I want Romney to win over Santorum, you have to give Santorum credit - he appeals to a huge segment of the Republican Party.
The "conservative backlash" is going to destroy the conservative movement if it keeps up. Voting for unelectable candidates is suicidal. Romney is their best chance against Obama, but some voters would rather base their decision on a few narrow issues.
Activist, no question about it, Santorum defeated himself. One has to wonder if he had kept some of his extreme right wing thoughts to himself would the outcome been different. Clearly Romney is not a 'hot' favorite.
Thought Gingrich won So Carolina, too?
Nice totally biased fluff piece by MSNBC. But, honesty, unbiased reporting would be foreign to them. They have an agenda, and that's four more years of misery for this country.
And not just few issues, social issues. We have bigger problems at the moment than abortions, birth control, or any other right Frothy wants to strip from women.
But he'd rather blabber about those issues than discuss major hurdles our country is facing: like the economy, Iran, the budget, etc. All I have been hearing is that "Obama is doing it wrong." Okay. That's fine, now tell me how we should be doing it, and your plans on bringing those means into fruition. I have yet to hear the latter in any logical platform from the GOP candidates.
As much as I disagree with some of Obama's actions, I can't vote for anyone else at the moment because they either don't have solid opinions of their own, or in the case of Mr. Ayatoll- I mean Frothy, he just wants us to be a Christian theocracy.
You want me to not vote for Obama? Give me a better alternative. Because right now the GOP candidates are scaring the sh*t out of me.
Dr. Ron Paul has been fighting to at least audit the Federal Reserve...many people of the USA think that the Fed is owned by us, not so and has never been. The Fed is owned by European banks, some in which are the ones we fled. People this country did fine from 1776 till 1913 when they came in the back door when it was unlocked. Our founding fathers had it setup for the congress to be the only ones to contol our monetary system, they are bringing us down. Thomas Jefferson said he feared someone else controlling our monetary system more than he feared any standing army. That speaks volume folks, if you have an enemy control your money how well would you be doing? Anyhow Dr. Paul wants them gone and this makes sense to me, he will have my support as he is the only one running that cares to truly change things, and this IS nothing new for him.
Ruken: No kidding.
The problem with Santorum, Gingerbread Mamma, is that he has a god complex and is incapable of shutting his yap. That's just ONE reason why he'd make a terrible president.
He's defeating himself with his lack of self control...very dangerous for a would-be Commander-in-Chief who has already threatened he'd attack Iran.
Maybe it's that deep seated longing he has for Armegeddon. In your dreams, Ricky.
There's such a sameness coming from some conservatives this morning--it's the media writing "fluff", it could not possibly be that the GOP candidates are all severely flawed and thus, it is the candidates who are unable to put the fight to rest--it's the media's fault; and most humerous--the liberals are scared and worried. Seriously, the media reports what the candidates do and say, they do not give the candidates the words to say nor tell them what to do. It's up to the candidates to sell themselves, the media merely reports their efforts and on First Read, offer their opinion of how it went and speculate on what it means. It is up to us to decide whether we agree or disagree. That is the point of First Read--our hosts post the articles and we express our views and debate each other.
I see the collapse cowards are out again. Free speech and the First Amendment to them means silencing those who say something they don't want to hear. No, I do not collapse posters; I let their words stand on their own regardless of how I feel about those words.
I guess it's true that you can't buy an election... turns out that it still comes down to people casting votes based on whatever caricature of a candidate they choose to believe.
The headlines should read today "Romney barely beats the guy who forgot to file his paperwork to receive delegates". LOL What a group of cracker jacks these candidates are. Newt didn't vote in the VA primary, because he didn't get himself on the ballot. Can't remember when I've ever seen such a together, on the ball group! LMAO
TO: Bill, Fairfax VA who wrote:
So much for hypocritical Republicans who one moment demand LESS government, and the next moment demand MORE GOVERNMENT. Republicans CLAIMED to love gridlock in government, so they sent the Teabaggers to stop government from functioning; now they imply that President Obama isn't doing enough!
What happened to Republicans' claims that "business" is what matters most, NOT government?
If Republicans truly want LESS GOVERNMENT, then quit making more and more demands of President Obama, and quit demanding that President Obama do more and more. Be independent and take of yourselves, the same way you insult other needy people about.
Obama / Biden 2012
@Ruken... we have a better choice...Ron Paul.I think Ron Paul would actually make a difference.He may not be able to get alot done but it would send the message that the American people want real change.Nothing will change if Obama or Mitt get there chance.These guys are complete puppets and hacks. I can't tell the difference between these idiots except for Obama being smarter and a way better liar.This illusion of difference between parties is destroying our country. As long as we continue to vote for democratic or republican hacks our country remains a dictatorship.They all say one thing and then do the bidding of banks and corporations.This vicious cycle needs to end.The massive corporate media never even mentions Ron Paul, even if he comes in second in a primary. They'll talk about every single other candidate.Please people step outside the box vote Ron Paul or any other party other than democrat or republican. Don't let them trick you into thinking they are different.You Tube" how to get fired from fox in 5 minutes". Great piece by judge Napoliotano. his last on that network. VOTE RON PAUL
Teabaggers scream at Dems calling them socialists, then scream "leave my Social Security and medicare alone." Obama wants to save , protect Soc. Security and Medicare and improve them , and the Teabaggers vote for republicans who openly say and vote to privatize both which will kill both. How's that workjing for ya Teabaggers? Repubs vote against stopping subsidies for big oil, vote against giving tax breaks for American companies keeping jobs in U.S., voted against taking away tax breaks for companies who sent jobs overseas, voted against giving 911 responders health coverage now that they are dying because of their rescue efforts, voted to hold America hostage with more tax breaks for the billionaires and millionaires, started 2 wears without paying for them except for saying taking oil from the Iraq oil fields to pay for them. How's that working for ya repubs? Did the oil filelds in Iraq pay for the thousands of deaths and wounded American soldiers? Voted against ending speculating on oil which would lower gas prices Did it pay for the no bid contracts Bush/Cheney gave to Haliburton and other war profiteers? Banksters, wallstreeters crash economy And you want to vote for republicans to do more of the same?.......Hello hello hello...anybody in there there there.......
Instead of desert maybe Newt should of gave up his bid for the GOP Nomination for Lent...
This primary season has been like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Oh, but I do love it so! I for all their lock step gibberish and talk of being a devout disciple of St. Ronnie they sure aren't showning it.
Mitt Romney wants to 'threaten' Iran by moving a carrier group out of the northern Arabian Sea and sending it to the eastern Mediaterranean Sea.
Romney got the idea because Presdent Reagan sent a carrier group to the eastern Mediterranean when he sent the marines into Lebanon three decades ago.
Apparently nobody told Mitt that Lebanon has a 100-mile coast on the eastern Mediterranean Sea, while Iran has a 300-mile coastline on the northern Arabian Sea, and is 500 miles from the Mediterranean at its closest point.
Duhhh, which way did they go?
Would somebody please buy Mitt a map, before we all end up tied to the roof of a car and throwing up?
Romney's less-than-stellar performance in the primaries is a harbinger of November, when GOP voters choose to stay home and watch Hoarders rather than vote for someone who cannot inspire them to get off their fannies and drive or walk to their local polling station.
If Gingrich drops out, Santorum has a clear path to the nomination. He has leads over Romney in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and just 2 points shy of California. Gingrich won't get any of those three. Those three staes, the southern states, which Romney cannot win, and momentum will give Santorum the nomination. The only thing that can stop this is a subborn Gingrich.
If Santorum Drops, the bare majority will go to Gingrich, leaving a Gingrich clinch before Tampa in doubt. If Gingrich drops, 90% - 100% of his support goes directly to Santorum. Newt only path to nomination at this point is a brokered convention.
Ron Paul has been working dilligently to insure the majority of delegates are favorable to him, so when the first ballot election fails, the delegates are free to vote for whomever they choose.
Conservatives - you have to sew up the nomination first - then tackle the election - Newt can no longer sew up the Nomination.
Ruken - I feel the same way. And you know, a lot of independents do too.
Repubs want to end the Post Office by creating bill that forces Post office to pay workers benefits out to 75 years. There are no companies that do this or think of doing it. They did this to privatize mail to raise prices for more greedy billionaires. Small towns and their businesses will not get mailservice. How you going to get your social security checks, etc? How will you keep your business afloat? You really want to end the Post Office? You voted for repubs that openly say they want this. Voting bills all over the nation to stop the elderly, the poor, and minorities from voting by saying it will stop a non existing voter fraud. You really want to vote republican to lose your right to vote, to lose the Post Office?
I think if yesterday demonstrated anything, it's that Santorum really has a narrow band of support. He is the candidate of the religious, non-mormon, conservatives. Religious Mormons go overwhelmingly for Romney. But voters more concerned with actual governmental responsibilities, things like the economy and foreign policy, are not picking up what Santorum is dishing out. They see him as just a religious candidate, and they are breaking for Romney.
Santorum's economic pitch was written specifically to play in states like Michigan and Ohio, and it isn't working. He's only winning in states where there's a strong enough evangelical anti-Romney (read, anti-Mormon) vote to put him over the top. He's one dimensional, and his support base is not big enough to get him to the nomination. He probably keeps winning midwestern and southern states, but even if he takes PA too, that's not enough. His only real chance of getting on the party's ticket this year is to become Romney's VP pick.
@theactivist
I think you made a very astute observation of this primary. The republican party appears to be totally ignorant as to the type of candidate it is going to take to beat Obama. Even if I felt the country needed a republican in the oval office(which I may or may not feel). I don't think any of the Republican candidates have a clue about the issues facing everyday working class Americans. Nor do I think they really care.
devie,
Got a good chuckle out of your statement regarding Mr. Gingrich giving up the GOP nomination for Lent.
Any one of these "bozos" would be a better choice than the dirt bag that's trying to act like a leader. No one seems to have a very good memory on these posts. This is politics! Anyone remember Hillary and the Socialist pig that was running a slam bang battle a few years ago? I love how so many people say Romney and Santorum are going to kill each other and the GOP. No they're not, again, it's politics. I also love how the headlines of this massively liberal network instantly shift to: "Romney bruised" when he added a bunch of delegates. Everyone's trying to make a story out of nothing...it's a presidential race and this crap has been going on for hundreds of years. I'm glad he's not completely running away with it, that means whoever the nominee is has an excellent chance of pulling in the opposition votes in the major election. Where the hell did the logic go in this country?
NO AMERICAN THEOCRACY! - now this is worth fighting for!!
(Women are you really ready to go back to Victorian times????)
All I hear from Ron Paul supporters is "we want change". None of them seem to have the foggiest clue about how their candidate's policies would actually affect this country.
Hey, kids - "change" for the sake of change is not necessarily a good thing. Hitler was a "change", too.
Ah, yes, Ron Paul. The one who wants to dismantle the EPA, FDA, Department of Education, FCC, etc. etc.
Coming soon to an America near you - SOMALIA 2!
@ American Girl
You need to get off the surface and dig into some education a little bit. Less government means getting rid of giant tax funded organizations that overlap each others jurisdictions and authorities creating massive redundancy and massive wasteful spending. It also means getting rid of some of the huge government agencies that do nothing but take lobbyist money and hinder the progress of American businesses.
Right now more than half of the imported oil could be eliminated if we switched trucking fleets to natural gas (which runs about $2.25 per gallon). Do you think that would bring down the cost of oil? The reason we're unable to do it is not because the trucking industry doesn't want to because they do, but because our huge regulatory government agencies are standing in the way. The same agencies that are put in place and constantly propped up by your messiah. He says he wants energy independence but if he did he would have pursued that path. Instead he spends (our) billions on technology that isn't ready yet. This is here and now and would take a matter of a couple of years to implement it plus it wouldn't have to be funded federally. He's a complete con-man and that's just one very small example...I could give you a thousand of them. If you think I'm full of it (which I'm quite sure you do) just do a little research, what I'm stating here is fact, nothing less!
As far as wanting him to do something? If someone has a bad idea, it's a bad idea. Just because barack wants to do something doesn't make it a good idea and I'm sure as hell not going to support a philosophy that will assist in the deterioration of this country. The Tea party got involved to stop the bad ideas from getting through. They have helped but haven't stopped the moron from side stepping the constitution when he couldn't get his way. (he's a frickin' crybaby) He knows what's best for you, you don't know squat as far as he's concerned. We (the people) want him to get off his self-righteous arse and attempt to make a couple of decisions that will actually put the country in a better position. We want him to stand up and attempt to lead something instead of simply passing the buck or worse, ignoring lots of situations that need attention and simply trying to transfer this country into the "marxist" society that he was brought up and taught to believe in. Again, look it up if you don't believe me, read his writings, read michelles writings. These are spelled out truths.
You and those like you are sheepishly buying into the same crap that he and those like him spew at you. He says the border is in great shape so that justifies him not doing anything about it...you buy it. He says that millions of jobs have been added to the economy when the fact is that most of what he spews is accounting tricks to sway the stats...you buy it. He apologizes to a bunch of animals and continues a downward slide of the image and strength of our Country and then claims that he's saving lives...you buy it. He's a panty waste, spineless, useless president. There's a giant difference between government and BIG government...if you took some time to educate yourself you might know that. The federal government has a job to do and the federal government has no business doing most of the things they're trying to do. He doesn't care about the things the federal government is supposed to do and he continues to grow the federal government to enormous size in all the areas that it has no business being in.
Are you getting this or are you just rolling your eyes because in them your messiah can do no wrong? I've said it before; the biggest divide in this country is coming from the lack of capability of baracks followers to actually criticize anything he does. You refuse to look at him and say "man it would be nice if he actually did this or didn't do that". But you and those like you don't and it's just another perfect example of why barack is the great divider.
TO: Ruken who wrote:
Ruken, if Republicans knew ANYTHING, if they had ANY clue, we wouldn't be where we are today. The fact is, Republicans ripped this country apart so badly it's taking us years to re-group.
The fact is President Obama has been doing EVERYTHING right, but why would Republicans admit it when all Republicans really want is to rule the world and do whatever it takes to make the rich even richer, and to hell with the middle class, our American Senior Citizens, and the Poor?
Republicans decided 3-1/2 years ago that they would create and repeat catch words and phrases and words alone were enough to defeat this excellent President. Again, Republicans are wrong, as usual.
Obama / Biden 2012
Whatever...... I'll be votin Obama come November!!!!!!!
As a christian I cannot support a man who has joined a cult , who wants to be President of our great nation, and I call on all Christians of faith that if Romney gets the Republican nomination to not vote for him, I think it is better to keep someone in office who says is a christian than to put someone in who is a non believer. So all Christians nationwide do not listen to the Establishment of Republicans they are bought and paid for. Do Not Vote for Romney for President
Great line, commonsense!
Mutts Against Mitt!
Mittens needs to rescue America from what/whom?
Looks like Iran is not such an imminent threat ...
Tehran's representative to the UN nuclear-oversight agency, The Times reports, will allow inspectors to visit the Parchin military complex.
and the economy is still trending positive!
Thirty days before the Republican primary, Michigan was considered a toss-up. After the Republican debates and primaries, polls showed Obama with an 18 point lead. The Republicans' problem is that the long dragged out primary process is forcing their candidates to open their mouths. They have apparently run out of notMitt du jours, and are left the choice between the most uninspiring candidate since Bob Dole, a religious extremist who does not agree with the separation of church and state that this country was founded on, a scumbag, and a kook. Any credible Republican candidate has either decided to wait another 4 years when there is not a competent Democratic incumbent, or has been turned off by the take no hostages, never compromise attitude of the current Republican mainstream. While Mitt will undoubtedly be the eventual Republican candidate, by the time he is so everyone will be so familiar with him that even the Republicans will barely able to bring themselves to vote for him, never mind the independents. Obama is assured of a second term, and he will have coat tails. The obstructionist Republicans in the House and Senate will have major problems trying to hang on to their seats. Already ads targeting Mitch (my top priority is making sure Obama is a one term president) McConnell are appearing on television in his home state.
Real Americans First, go ahead and criticize Paul and his supporters for not being able to predict the future or in your words for not knowing how the changes they want would necessarily affect this country. But wait, can you predict with discerning accuracy what the future will bring? No, so your point doesn't mean squat, just sounds good to other idiots. What is important is wether these changes would be good or bad, and in most cases they would be beneficial. Your claim is like telling someone looking down the barrel of a murderer's gun not to remove himself from the situation because he may trip over a crack in the sidewalk while escaping.
You see, Paul himself has been surprisingly good at predicting the future. Case in point would be the housing bubble that he predicted would develop and burst over a decade ago, or the Federal Reserve that he said was going to screw us all over.
So yes you are correct. No one knows exactly how ending the Fed would affect our country, which is a point only an incompetant like yourself would make. The question is wouldn't this effect be positive? A reasonable person would ask how it would affect our country if the Fed reserve remains. It is almost always better to make a slightly un predictable change as opposed to maintaining the status quo that is known to have a negative future impact.
Only a paid poster would suggest that well-intentioned change is bad because we can't predict the future.
Almost nothing brings as much joy to my heart as watching the GOP destroy itself, leading to them going the way of the Whigs... Buh-bye Fascists!
blahblah (appropriate handle) -
You can't get there if you don't know where you're going.
Sorry - you can run your own country by the seat of your pants. Like I said, Somalia is a good warning.
Rightwingwad:
-Wow, you said a mouthful. I haven't seen so much crap come out of one person since Ronald Reagan said Supply-Side economics would benefit all!
-Oh come on wacjob, not being bias here are we? Less government means getting rid of programs that benefit the poor and the middle-class. Is that what you meant to say genius. And lets talk about "Massive wasteful spending". How many people in the 50k to 100k are responsible for the national debt? Did you get that? Here let me say it again: HOW MANY PEOPLE MAKING 100k OR BELOW ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DECIDING THIS NATION SHOULD GO INTO DEBT?
-If the rich have gotten us into this mess, then they can be the ones to pay to get us out.
-Rich people benefit from the debt but when it isn't paid, well then it's EVERYBODY'S debt, right? Freakin' stupid. No risk involved there huh?
-Oh look, I get to play teacher today. Just what I wanted to do...
-So, Wacjob, ever stop and wonder why our government is getting so big? I'm thinking you don't. Just one more thing to complain about right? Well you are in luck because I'm going to tell you:
It keeps hiring people why?
Well why would they do that?
Well that doesn't make any sense to me, why doesn't the civilian jobs pay more?
It's simple really. If government jobs did not pay as well or offer as good of benefits as civilian jobs, then people would be going for civilian jobs and the government could not possibly get bigger. Republicans are crying because they want their cake and eat it too. They want to pay their employees in peanuts so they can maximize their profits to rich CEOs and high-end financial institutions. The only way they can continue to make people work for peanuts is if that pesky government quits hiring. So, here we are, every other word that comes from a republican's lips is, "No more big government!"
Personally, I think if they don't like the USA government, go find another country to live in. Send us a postcard and tell us all how that works for you. No other country would put up with the crap rich republicans get away with here in this country. If you are smart you know that. If you are not, then there really isn't reason to complain about the size of our government now is there.
-Oh come on, really? Are you thinking we are that stupid or are you just that stupid and you don't realize it?
I have an even better idea, how about we switch everything to natural gas and then oil will be free for all!!!! The oil industry is all part of the free markets. They will charge what they can get. Hell they could charge 10 bucks a gallon right now and people would have to pay it. Not like we are going to stop driving. The price of oil is no different then the worth of the dollar bill. Hell, we stop using petroleum OPEC may raise the price just to insure a better future. And if they do it, rich American oil barons might as well too, right? Have to price it to maximize profits correct?
Even if we "DRILL, DRILL, DRILL" the Earth is not made of oil. All we would be doing is taking money from rich Arabic leaders and handing it over to rich American crooks. Neither spend much money in America.
-This is just an outright lie. Yeah, what truckers really want is for them to put in a pipeline so they don't need truckers anymore, right? So stupid. How many truckers does it take to run a pipeline through the states? I bet the truckers know the answer to that :)
-I know, government regulation are just horrible in this country. I mean, you see house sliding down hills or earthquakes ravishing entire cities in countries that do not uphold the standards and regulations this government does and what? You wish your house was as unsafe as theres. Are you like claiming the side of mother nature?
"Wow, Look at that house sliding down that mud bank. Looks like fun. Wish that was my house!"
-Perhaps you are wanting to eat hacked-off fingers in your hamburger? Gives it flavor? I mean the reason you don't is because of government regulations right?
-The regulations are there because they need to be. It's not like the President and Congress woke-up one morning and said, "we need to make commerce in America tougher, lets just regulate stuff for the hell of it!" Of course that would have to be followed shorly with the Supreme Court saying, "Hell yeah! Sweet!"
-Funny you should bring that up :) I bet you are the authority on "bad ideas".
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-Wow, you really get dumber as you go along, don't you. No really? When I started reading your little post/article I though, "Man that has got to be the dumbest thing I've read." Then, I continued reading....so little did I know.
-The Tea Party has done nothing but polarize an already polarized society. Fortunately, not many share their stupidity, I mean ideology, . A bunch of Reagan worshippers that think the rich should not pay taxes and that will make the deficit go away. The people who make the most should pay the least. That will cause magical fairies to drop from the sky and pay the national debt for us.
-HAHA, again, funny you should mention that :) Tea anybody?
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-Disrespect much? Sad that you are so polarized you can't, at least, show any form of respect for that office. Doesn't matter who sits in the chair. A Tea Party member calling President Obama polarizing is almost funny. No really, it is. At least President attempted, and even succeeded in giving republicans some of the things they wanted. What has the Tea party done for liberals? Offer them a ride on the new yacht they just bought. "Want to go for a ride? The mop is right there and there should be some paint down by the water tanks."
-Mindreading, not your thing?
-I wished President Obama would have gone a LOT further with health care. He had it right the first time. The government should have started a health care system.
-Funny thing is, that completely stumped Republicans. Funny stuff. They would complain, "But we can't do that because we want the rich to become richer, oops, I mean because we..um..uh..we won't be able to pick the doctors we want." Then President Obama came out with his plan and said,"No, you can keep your insurance plan. You'll pay the same amount and keep any doctor that policy allows you to keep. No change whatsoever!" So then the republicans, in their wisdom, shoots back, "Well, that's true but it's not fair. We can't have just anybody getting what rich people have. Um..WE CAN'T AFFORD IT! Yeah, that's it. Can't afford it, too bad!"
I guess republicans want America's motto to be: "When Americans set their mind on it, they can do anything. Except make healthcare affordable to all. We can't have that"
You have to forgive RIGHTWINGWACKO .......he slipped on a bar of soap awhile back.......since then everything he says and does is always just the opposite of what is really good for him.
Asimplecity1......nice job of explaining facts to the poor lost soul.......hopefully others will learn to pick up the soap right away if they drop it on the floor.
Rightwing - You say this tearing each other apart is politics as usual, but even long standing Republican pundits have been vocal in how derisive the tone has been in this primary. It goes beyond the current primary - the Republican Party has been guided by elements that now threaten it's future relevance in the American mainstream. It may not worry you, but it worries them.
I think your analysis is spot-on, someotherguy.
The more familiar voters become with Romney, the more reasons they will find to be contemptuous of him.
...and he has that 'Mormon problem' with Evangelical Christians ...
Here is the basic problem with GOP candidates right now: none have suggested any concrete goals to help the economy! I know, I know, I will hear a lot from righties here about their specific plans but the truth is they all boil down to a few things: Reduce taxes, reduce regulations and step the hell out of the way! Frankly, that is not enough. Frankly, that is nothing more than Bush did! And it left the economy in the crapper!
Now, they all say, let the free market take its course. The "free" market is exactly why we are here right now. It is not free! It has so many government controls and government-sanctioned exemptions that it isn't free right now. Either get rid of them all or start tuning them to allow real entrepreneurs to take over. I don't hear anything about that from the Republican party. In fact, all I hear is more of the same: the same thing that led us to a crashed economy in the first place! NO!!!
Let's look at Mitt Romney's economic plan. It has already been evaluated by independent agencies and found that it would increase the debt! Romney's response:
I haven’t laid out all the details of how we’re going to deal with each one of the deductions and exemptions, so I think it’s kind of interesting for the groups who try and score it because, frankly, it can’t be scored because those kinds of details are going to have be worked out with Congress.
So WTF good is it? Translation: Sorry, it is going to be the same old sh!t the same old way! No thanks, I think I'll keep what we have! Give me something new! Then maybe I will vote Republican!
FRH changed her tag, lol
Bev, Mitt is not the only person being remote controlled, lol
So much time before Nov, it will be interesting how the economy and Iran will play out.....
I pray for peace and an improving economy, even if it means Obama gets elected. It will not be with my vote, I have never seen a president that has encouraged division such as Obama. Both right and left are blind by their own agenda that the only way they see compromise is if you agree with them totally= "I see stupid people and they do not even know that they are stupid"
Have a good week..........;o)
Hey Asimplicity1:
Here's your response: you're smoking crack and you're almost too stupid to respond to but I can't resist (like you with your crack pipe). So for the sake of the intelligent readers I will. I must have hit a sensitive nerve for you to spend so much precious time on such an ignorant fool like me. What are you trying to prove? I'll answer that; You're trying to prove that you know whats going on but you obviously don't know squat. You can call all the names you want and if you'd like to play the name game my play book runs really deep and I'll play all day long...but not yet. You're massive amount of typing is a waste of time, you nullified yourself with ignorance in the first couple of lines. Funny but you didn't actually state any facts throughout any of this, you just stated some really thin opinions.
----HOW MANY PEOPLE MAKING 100k OR BELOW ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DECIDING THIS NATION SHOULD GO INTO DEBT?
How many people do you think making 100k or below are in debt up to their eyeballs because of their own doing who are now looking to the government to get them out of it?
---------------Oh look, I get to play teacher today. Just what I wanted to do...
The only thing you taught anybody here was that you are so unbelievably stupid that you think the government somehow makes money to pay all of the employees. That logic is beyond comprehension. Where does the money come from to pay them you dip@!$%#? Oh yeah, the rich people....unbelievable.
--------The house sliding down the hill.
Again, it's all about comprehension my special needs friend. That's something they started teaching early in elementary school, perhaps you should go back and brush up. I'll repeat the concept for the genius that you seem to be. The federal government has a job to do but extending it's reach the way your messiah wants is unconstitutional and that can be proven with the actual constitution. Those are facts of which you obviously know noting about. What you just mentioned (the building codes) is the job of the state government by way of protecting us against negligence and not the federal governments job. But you are too frickin' stupid to know that so you attempt to look smart by stating something that is irrelevant to this conversation. The federal governments job is not to employ the country as you would have ignorant or gullible readers such as "Starsailing" think. If you would like that to be the case please move to Greece, you will be much happier there. Speaking of which, since you obviously know so much, i would love to hear you do a speech on what's caused the Greek financial crisis. That could run on NBC as a comedy hour (more like minute), hell I'd almost pay to see that.
"Disrespect much?"
Uhhh, yep. I've got respect for that office, I've got zero respect for the jack ass that holds it and I'll admit it all day long. Unlike the hypocrite you are. Based on your rantings I do believe I could go back into your vocabulary and pull out a hundred or so Hitler comparisons (or worse) to George Bush. So sit on your high horse and once again pretend you're something that you're not to make yourself and the gullible readers think you're all righteous. (I'm shaking my head in disbelief)
-----Because they are too busy paying CEO's 30 million dollars for a year of work. Our government doesn't give the president that much. Not even close. They don't pay as much as government jobs because they can't afford to after they hand out profits to everybody but their dang workers. Simple stuff huh? :)
What are you 12? Oh my God! That's one of the most pathetic arguments I've ever read. Seriously this is how you think it works? Go back to your occupy sit-in. I don't even have the will power to correct you because there are so many moronic levels to this one. "Simple' is a perfect word for you. I'll just use simple words; public unions, liberal party donations, union kickbacks, government control. Again you nit-wit, where is the money coming from? You're point about the president is pretty funny because if you ever paid attention to what the political system in this country is supposed to be or looked at the Constitution (which I know you haven't even come close to) you might see something about public service. Then compare that with pelosi flying around in her taxpayer funded jet every week...anyway screw this, your too stupid for me to even try on this one.
Did you even know that there's a U.S. Constitution available for your reading? Do you even know what the word "constitution" means? "Simply" put; you're dumb as a stump as us "rednecks" like to say.
As far as healthcare goes...I'm in the business and man you have no chance in hell of debating me on that one. I've made it my business to study that bill up and down and if you want to open that can of worms please, please, please do because I would so love to show the readers of this post once again that you don't have a clue of what's going on. That bill is a financial doomsday bill for both private companies, American jobs, and the financial well being of the country. Go ahead...bring the debate, I'd love to go there with such a simple minded fool like you. The problem is that it wont be fair because AGAIN I will be using factual information and you will be ranting far left opinions based on whatever pinheaded brainwashing and ignorant economic mentors you've had.
I'll wrap it up with this;
You wrote a lot, you didn't convey much and what you did write was really not very good. It comes off like a pissed off 22 year old liberal spouting off the illogical and unsubstantiated garbage that so often comes from people of your limited knowledge. It's okay though, we all need to witness a little stupid in our lives so thanks for bringing me my viewing for the day. You know, there are some good arguments in some of these posts that represent the opposite of what I do and although I think those people are misguided I have respect for their opinions because they have a bit of knowledge behind them. But your rantings are ridiculous at best...they're actually just empty little tirades and juvenile name calling (yep I stooped to your level, but it was fun) and it all makes you irrelevant.
Like I stated, the reason I'm taking time is to let the readers enjoy a bit more of the circus. You try to act all knowledgeable when if anyone actually reads the words you wrote you're about as fictitious as they come. Is your blood pressure up a bit. I hope I did my part...next time post a picture so I can see the veins popping out of your pathetic little ignorant forehead as you try to type something logical. Come after me with that BS again...I welcome it...you're easy.
In response to any of you crybabies who constantly bitch and moan about the "rich republicans". If you truly believe that republicans are all the rich folk...maybe you should all become republicans so you too can be rich folk.
Starsailing
Where were the "Facts" you spoke of. Bring them please and make sure they're facts. Because when I bumped my head I must have missed all those facts that were brought to light.
You and Assman make a lovely couple.
Katherine
Right after barack won in 08 Time ran the cover that read "death of the GOP". Then two years later they overwhelmingly took the house and almost the Senate. "They" that you're talking about are so afraid of barack having a second term because it will be no holds barred for his socialist movement, that "they" bite into everything the media says hook line and sinker.
If you look back at this time in the 08 campaign Hillary was actually smoking barack in many of the races and neck and neck with him in the rest. The rhetoric was huge, she was insulting to him and he even more so to her. Yet nobody in the media was talking about them tearing themselves apart.
It's all how it's painted in the media and when the smoke clears from the primary's the left will still be calling Republicans all sorts of names and getting away with it. The right will start to rally around the candidate because the choice will be clear and it will be politics as usual. Stop believing people who say the GOP is doomed. Think of it this way; barack is the greatest president in history right? I mean that's what so many on the left say. So if that's the case shouldn't he beat any republican hands down? So why does it matter so much to the left? But that's not the way they spin it...they say that if barack wins it will be because the GOP had a loser for a candidate. Well which one is it? The people who hate barack will come out and vote for whoever the candidate is. Then the people who like the candidate will come out and vote and the people who love barack will vote for him. Politics as usual.
Rightwing - I think what we will find (and what I am hoping for) is that we will find the two parties are much more willing to work together on issues this go round. And I think we are already seeing that. Eric Cantor released a statement touting President Obama's support for his job bill. He never would have taken such a concillatory stance even six months ago. Once the issue of trying to get rid of this President becomes a nonissue,it becomes much more attractive to show you can work with the other side of the aisle and get things done. Across the nation, Congress rates worse than Obama. And politicians are figuring this out -if they want to be reelected they gotta get something done.(of course you can see how I'm assuming my guy will win - sorry 'bout that,can't help it) ;~)
And it's not just the liberal media that are saying this slug fest has gotten too ugly - even conservative pundits -George Will, Jeb Bush and Karl Rove, are worried about what this will do to their party. In '08 I went from supporting McCain to Clinton to Obama, and honestly - I do not remember anything like this. I am upset by all of this. I worry about the Republican Party. Say what you will about two party politics, but we need two strong opposition parties and strong candidates - that's how our country works best.
Okay - off my soapbox. Sorry it was rather long.
Katherine; long? I'm the king of long. Here's the way I've seen it play out so far. I've used this before so forgive me it it gets a little silly but it makes my point.
I've got an idea...you and I are going to form a business. We will agree that we have to agree on all business decisions. Okay, I'm going to recommend that we open up as many credit cards as are sent to us and then max them out as fast as we can. Do you agree? Next I recommend that we leave all the lights on in our business all night, every night so people can see into our windows at any time. Do you agree with that? Next, we need to have our delivery truck chrome plated so it's the shiniest truck on the road. How about that? Oh yeah, we'll hire a manager right off the bat even though there's not enough work to justify it, and we'll pay him a salary of $200k per year, full bennies, and we'll max match a 401k for him/her. Are you in? No? Why not? Are you kidding me? Man you are a do nothing Obstructionist, I can't believe how uncooperative you are.
Well I’m not going to help out around the shop at all, instead I'm going to go out right now and tell all of our would-be customers that our company would be growing and doing so much better if it weren't for my do nothing obstructionist partner, so there!
Sound familiar? I find it amusing that simply because congress won't go along with bad ideas that they are obstructionists. The House has had dozens of bills that were written and sent over to Reid and he stopped them in their tracks on baracks orders. So why isn't there criticism both ways? Why is barack great and the congress is bad. His philosophy is detrimental to the Constitution and therefore the U.S. The US population overwhelmingly was against his healthcare bill but he played unconstitutional tricks and stuffed it through.
That was when the tea party got it's feet and said enough's enough. They put a stop to his radical agenda and that's the way the government is set up to work. He had full control of congress and he could have passed anything he wanted so why didn't he? Many things he attempted after the midterm election and then cried because it wouldn't get passed. But anyway, we have a system of checks and balances...the problem right now is that he is actually starting to side step those checks and balances and people are blind to what's going on.
I want things to get done as well, but I don't want his ways because they are built on a Marxist platform and that is not a theory, that is documented time and time again if people would just wake up and read some of his own philosophy's. As far as the guys you mentioned...they are the ones who are jumping on board the critical train for God knows what reasons. I agree the GOP is full of boneheads, just like I believe the DNC is full of elitist control freaks. I'm actually a Liberatarian leaning conservative but the GOP is the closest to what I believe so that's where I'm casting votes until something comes along that's better and actually has a chance.
The media plays us (including members of the GOP) like fiddles and a person is smart but people are stupid and the news knows how to bait the traps so that people like you and I get in these posts and get all flustered about it.
Anyway, unlike my previous adversary in this thread I wish you the best. One things for sure; whoever is in there next year better do some drastic things or God help us all. Good luck to you.
You know I don't agree with a bit of your premise Rightwing :~), but you were gracious about it. In these times that's gotta count for something,eh?
Peace - Kat
Wacjob-Wow, that's kinda funny on so many levels..this should be fun :)
-LOL, yeah, I think people will read my post, then your post and think, "Gosh, that Wacjob sure hit a nerve!"
-I mean I can literally see you huffin and puffin as you type that drivel, no really, I can.
"I'm going to show that Asimplicity. I'll make an even longer post and accuse him of doing drugs, being a young age, call him stupid, dumb, a hypocrite, special needs, etc. Oh how the list goes on and on. Good stuff!
-Um, you do realize that when people read my post and come to the conclusion that I am not the things you just ramble on about, it makes you just look silly don't you? I'm thinking you don't. Oh well, lets move on with your silliness:
-I see that. Look at all those fascinating names you came up with. It's as if you have your own little language going on there. Can't prove a point just start fussing and cussing huh? Kinda like a baby maybe? I didn't mean for you to cry. The truth hurts sometimes I know. Poor guy...
-Lol, massive amount of typing? I can't believe you actually called me a hypocrite. You are like the KING of Hypocrites. Need "facts"? Look at the length of your post..Wow, you are so blind it is actually amazing, and I do mean that.
-Yeah, I noticed, through all your name calling, that your little article there is just loaded with facts. Just oozing from ya.
-What exactly is a "thin" opinion? Or better yet, what is a "thick" opinion? Would you say your opinions are heavy? Over-easy? Well-done? Babish maybe? Wow, NAILED IT! You have a babish opinion, so take that! :)
-Really? Are you serious? Your tactic is to just answer another question I didn't ask in hopes that, oh I don't know, I'm be so upset from all your name-calling that I would just resort to calling you names back? Oops, that would be you, sorry.
-I'm afraid I can see through your smokescreen. Sorry buddy. I never once asked about people and their person debt. I asked how many people making under 100k are responsible for the decisions made that would cause this country to go into debt. I then went a step further to explain that if it is the decisions of the rich people that have gotten us into this mess then they should be responsible for getting us out. Guess we'll have to wait for an answer on that one huh? I won't be holding my breath :)
-So you didn't realize our government has employees or you didn't realize those employees of the government get paid? I'm really confused here. Or is it you that is confused...very, very...um...confused.
-Well, lol, according to you, it doesn't come from anywhere because government employees don't get paid. Or was it there are no government employees?
-Yeah I forgot. Only rich people pay taxes. Bet that will go over real big with the middle-class reading this. Even better if they find out Romney only paid 14 percent of the 23 million dollars he hauled in last year huh? Poor guy had to pay all that dang money in taxes. Even better now that he's trying to pass a bill that will allow him to pay even less. No doubt he's republican!
-The next part has you fuming about something. Who knows! About half your post is like piecing together a puzzle except most of the pieces are not even there. Much like your thinking I'm sure :) I mean, why else would a poor or middle-class guy vote for republicans who only real agenda is to make more money for the rich. That money is not magically coming from outerspace. They give those tax-breaks to the rich straight from the pockets of the middle-class. That's why the wealthy 10 percent already ownd 93 percent of the wealth in this country.
-And again. When you say stupid things like, I don't understand that and then follow it with a bunch of name-calling the reader is not magically going to not understand it too. He is going to read your comment and think, "well, I understood it just fine" and then wonder why you didn't answer it nor even act like you could understand it. Just trying to help you out buddy.
-The tactic of, "I'll tell him he's not making sense, then call him names, then accuse him of calling me names, then act like his typing is so stupid that he must be only 12 years old" doesn't really work when people can clearly see that I am not 12 years old and can simply scroll up to see who is doing all the name calling. Kinda makes you look, foolish. Very foolish now that I scroll back up there and read your drivel again.
-Ok, well let me..um.."go back into my vocabulary" and see how many Hitler comparisons I have made. Hmm. I don't see any.
Is this another one of your fits or just a tactic? "I'll say he said that, and everybody will believe me!"
-Again, do you not understand there is a scroll button on the side of the screen that anybody can simply go back and read what I wrote? Lol, I honestly don't know if you know that. If it's just you throwing a baby fit, well, again, I don't know how helpful you think that is for your cause but I for one am glad you call yourself Republican :)
-Um...thanks, I think! Let the stupidity begin!
-Any proof of that genius? No? Prove to me that he has broken the constitution, like you say. Now can you prove it, and he will face charges or are you full of crap? I know the answer but would love to see you man up and admit it.
-You do realize Constitutional Law was what President Obama practiced before taking office don't you?
-Maybe it's President Bush you were talking about? Sorry, but he was republican. Here is a good read for ya:
-Well said. It's kinda funny really. Well, silly is probably a better word. Somebody as stupid and dumb as you claim me to be, and yet look at all that typing you had to do just to answer my post. You didn't reply to other posts that way. You know, the ones like, "Duh, hey me think Obama is good. Me voting for him!" No, you decided to bless me with your ball-baby fit. Not that I mind really. I enjoy it when republicans blow-up :) Even better when they say they are in the tea-party. It's like two birds with one stone, lol.
-Anyways, when I see "stupid, dumb, hypocritical, special needs, 12 year olds on drugs" saying stuff I don't agree with I typically just ignore them. Why didn't you? Perhaps you know I'm right and hate that fact. I mean a baby doesn't throw a fit if he knows he's going to get the cookie, right? A student doesn't throw a baby fit when he/she got an answer right at school.
-I have seen many people mad at me for showing them the truth but I have never, honestly, seen anybody mad at themselves and take it out on me simply because they want to ignore the truth. Simply amazing, and I actually do mean that.
To wrap things up. Yes, Republicans are the voice of the rich. They want tax-breaks and they want the middle-class to play for them. Any party that would suggest that we need to pay-off our debt, and in the same breath of air, suggest we need to do it by cutting taxes on the people who have the most money is serving a different agenda. They serve the rich and that is not what America is about. No matter how many baby fits you throw, I'm afraid this time you won't be getting your way.
Wow, Rightwingwad again:
-Actually the richest folks are democrats but I don't have a problem with them. They don't complain about paying too much taxes. They are happy to help out Americans. In fact, I believe you'll even find them asking the government to raise their taxes if it will help Americans out. Bet you'll never hear a greedy republican say that!
-Lol, here is another thing you'll never hear a "rich republican" say: "Well trickle-down economics didn't work. Lets try trickle-up economics now and see how that works!" lol
-No, by far the majority of republican's are not rich. They are people who do not understand that they are voting for a party that doesn't have their interest in mind. Usually because that is what mommy and daddy did when the republicans use to stand for something more then just "More money for the rich".
-You are an excellent example why people do not turn republican and I want to thank you for that :)
"I'll hit them with my MSNBC forum ego. That'll show them!"
-Helping us Democrats one post at a time. Keep up the good work!
Whoa, Rightwingwad again: Still helping the Democratic cause. Hey don't let me stop you. You go guy!
I'm with you Rightwad: GO OBAMA!! 2012!! WOOT!!
-You need to settle down or I'm thinking you may have a heart-attack. Hey, there is a fact for you! :)
-Oh come on Rightwad. You don't want any facts. Those just get in your way. You just want to win some type of imaginary game where the last person to post wins some type of imaginary prize. So tell me, do you actually pat yourself on the back when you win your little imaginary game, or are you still able to keep that figuratively?
-Well at least your rules are easy enough. I'm in :)
Asimplicity1 --- I take it all back. I think you're 13...14 tops. You and your lack of logic are definitely not worth arguing with. Honest to God your ignorance on every one of these topics is astounding. Your blind faith, your lies, your lack of any common sense and your uncanny ability to spew surface level crap is actually sad. Obama studied constitutional law...God that's hillarious! With your tiny mentality I'm sure that proves everything to you. Boy oh boy I know when I'm outsmarted. You sure got me on that natural gas argument too (still haven't figured out what natural gas is have you?). Holy cow did you put me in my place by not putting up facts but then telling me I don't really want them...sheesh it's a f#$%&$* circus trying to debate with ignorance as deep as yours.
-Anyways, when I see "stupid, dumb, hypocritical, special needs, 12 year olds on drugs" saying stuff I don't agree with I typically just ignore them. Why didn't you?
I actually mentioned not typically responding to someone like you but again, and again, and again, you've demonstrated a kindergartners ability for reading comprehension, and that's giving you credit. So you've actually said something that I can agree with and I'll take your advice. Ignore you? Nah, you're not even worth that much effort...you don't even exist. Enjoy your stupidity.
Rightwingwad: You know why I love replying to you? It's because you are so easily proved a liar and yet not man enough to admit it. You just start calling names and acting like a baby. Ever thought of comedy? lol
-See there. Funny stuff. Perhaps you could have said that before you typed-out those two books above. So freakin' stupid. Rightwad: "Duh, oh yeah. Forgot everybody can see that."
-It's like you sit down to a table and eat a heaping plateful of food. Then another and then another. After the third plate you actually look down at what you've been eating and yell, "Wait a minute! This is horse crap. It's just not worth eating!" then you take two more bites and walk out of the horse stable while cussing at the horse that crapped on your plate.
-Here we go again. You are a liar and how many times do I have to prove it before it sinks through that rock you call a head?
-He didn't only study it, he taught it brainiac.
Here you go smarty:
Wikiapedia:
From the school itself:
-So yeah, you make this so easy it's funny. Like I said, ever thought of comedy? You'd make an excellent clown. Sitting around getting beat on all day. I wouldn't pay to watch it though. Free to see it right here.
-I know, I know. Always talking about facts and have nothing to offer. I keep putting facts up and you don't see them. I bet you wish everybody reading these replies were the same way.
"Wow, Asimplicity put another fact up there. Ok, this time I'll say he didn't and everybody won't see them again!"
-I wish the world worked like your little brain. Every time a bill comes in the mail you just close your eyes and it magically disappears, right? lol
-After receiving the pounding you got here, I'd probably wish Asimplicity didn't exist either. Say, did the government ever find those employees they didn't pay? Perhaps you can tell them in your "thin opinion" they never existed! Now close your eyes and this will all go away. That evil Asimplicity never existed......Must....get...tax cuts...for...the...rich.....
ADP reported this morning that employers added another 216,000 jobs in February. The ADP report is usually higher than the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) monthly report that will be released Friday.
One reason is that ADP number is higher is that it does not track Government employment which for about 18 months has been cutting jobs.
That is another great number Dennis! Good for us....the country :)
ROMNEY STRUGGLES WITH THE BASICS IN IRAN ~ "...At the most recent debate for the Republican presidential candidates, Mitt Romney wanted to show off his understanding of international affairs, and told the audience that Syria is Iran's "key ally" and Iranians' "route to the sea."
Iran, of course, has 1,520 miles of its own coastline -- and doesn't share a border with Syria. In trying to demonstrate his foreign policy acumen, most notably regarding Iran, Romney helped prove he hasn't even looked at a map of the region in a while.
And yet, the former governor continues to feign expertise on the subject matter. Today he has an op-ed in the Washington Post, calling for Iranian sanctions (which Obama has already imposed); backing Israel (which Obama has also already done); and shaping a U.S. policy towards Iran that's "the same as Ronald Reagan's."
Um, Mitt? The Reagan administration sold Iran weapons, in violation of an arms embargo, in order to help illegally finance the Contras in Nicaragua. Reagan also sought a check on Iranian power by cozying up to Saddam Hussein after he used chemical weapons against his own people.
A Romney administration's approach to Iran would be "the same as Ronald Reagan's"? Seriously?
Ed Kilgore was unimpressed.
If this all sounds a bit like foreign policy as it would be conducted by a seventeen-year-old boy with an addiction to energy drinks, that is almost certainly intentional. If the chronic liberal vice in foreign policy is excessive faith in international organizations, the chronic conservative vice is the belief that America must perpetually prove its willingness to kill instantly and remorselessly. Romney's handlers want to make sure conservatives are reassured he fully shares that vice.
For his part, President Obama responded to an NBC News question at a White House conference this morning that referenced Romney's criticism on Iran. Obama rejected "the casualness with which some of these folks talk about war," adding, "This is not a game -- and there's nothing casual about it."
The president went on to say, "If some of these folks think that it's time to launch a war, they should say so, and they should explain to the American people exactly why they would do that and what the consequences would be. Everything else is just talk." .
Mr. Romney, I think he was talking to you..."
via: http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/06/10593691-romney-struggles-with-the-basics-in-iran
Mr. Romney cavalierly advocates, warships to threaten Iran, yet has no apparent clue what is being done in terms of sanctions and who we back in this very dangerous situation. He has no exposure to any decisions ever made on foreign policy, he being so busy firing people. It might be time for him to take a cram course in the geography and history of the Middle East before he makes any further knee jerk off the cuff statements and makes a further fool of himself. As of now he is out of his league...way out.
Gingerbread Mama -
Thanks - I missed the last debate, so I wasn't aware of Romney's geographically-challenged comments about Iran and Syria. Then again, I'm not surprised. Yesterday Romney said “I will station multiple aircraft carriers and warships at Iran's door.” Okay.....and then what? It's like his overly simplistic comments about how Iran will have a nuclear weapon if President Obama is re-elected, but good old Mitt will show 'em we mean business. Never mind the details.
The President was EXACTLY right in his press conference yesterday. This is not a game, and there is nothing casual about it. I personally can't wait for the REAL election debate to start.
Gingerbread Mamma
This might be the best post I have ever read on FR. Not just your best - THE BEST.
Must be the nice weather we are having down in Florida!
'Morning JoAnne, Romney is a Johnny one note candidate, the economy, however, as the economic news continues to improve, that note is becoming off key. His background shows no interest in foreign policy, and when it comes to the presidential debates, he will be at a severe disadvantage because he is very uncomfortable when not in control or he feels challenged, and he will be.
They should be worth a bucket or two of Feisty's gourmet popcorn. Have a beautiful day.
GB Mama, most excellent analysis! I love how you cited your source, included a link and then gave us YOUR opinion on it. Very professional.
I point this out because I note in the thread above where the MeFirster reposted an entire "thought" he had yesterday and then only today revealed it was based on someone else's thoughts, yesterday. See some would call that an inappropriate citation or potentially plagiarism. So it makes me wonder? Was he FOR lifting someone else's original idea before he was against it? Or, the most likely scenario, it isn't lifting when someone else comes up with the ideas that EXACTLY mirror his own? I guess the REAL take away on it is that we have all known all along he hasn't had an original thought or idea - now we know where some of his 'pearls' come from. Can someone say Dittohead?
LMAO!
But where are they?
Thanks, Belfast. you are very kind. Peace
I join the others in thanking you for that beautiful comment about Nit's foreign policy 'acumen'.
I'm planning to organize a 'Mutt's Against Mitt' rally in my town if Mittens becomes the GOP's Chosen One.
Just imagine how fun it's going to be to watch Willard debate President Obama! I can see Mittens getting all pissy and making himself look like a rich a$$ who can't defend his position on anything!
Dennis, terrific jobs news.
Gingerbread Mamma, excellent post. I couldn't bring myself to watch that last GOP debate so missed the comment but it does not surprise me that Romney is so uninformed when "winging it". It should make people think twice about choosing someone who is debating foreign policy without awareness of the basics of the countries being discussed.
Gingerbread Mamma, I agree completely. Excellent post.
I know some were upset when the press conference pre-empted their soaps, I was delighted because my wife records that soap so I got to watch it last night!
GBM -- Outstanding!
Hey Dennis---I count on you to keep me up-to-date on Rush Limbaugh---what is the latest count of advertisers who have dropped him?
The count as of this morning stands at 43
Good news for the US economy and bad news for the GOP who we know is rooting for the economy to tank again.
Obama/Biden 2012
Gingerbread Mama, What you've said is a clear indicator of what we'd have if Romney was somehow able to win in November The guy is completely out of touch with the real world.. Not only does he absolutely no grasp on foreign geography but, I have no doubt that our relations with the rest of the world governments will go back to $hit just as they were under Bush II.Secretary Clinton has done a phenomenal job repairing the damage done by the Bush administration. All Romney is doing is showing that he will set our nation up as the world's thug once again and lead our sons and daughters into harms way once again. As for me, I think we put it all back on Russia, India, China and other nations purchasing Iranian oil, by telling them that we will no longer conduct trade with them as they are using Iranian oil in the production of their goods. Then we get all the other nations supporting the embargo to do the same. I'm quite confident that these nations will see very quickly that it's in their best interests to stop buying Iran's oil than loosing a bunch of trade as it would be a loss of BIG BUCKS. Hit them all in the pocket and I'm sure Iran will follow suit. Perhaps Mittens should be preaching this instead of sending our kids off to another wasteland fighting a war over oil. God knows, it won't be his kids going.
Sounds like the advertisers aren't as stupid as the republicans who just can't seem to stop defending their hero Rush.
Rush's intent was that all women who take birth control are sluts. It appears that both Romney and Santorum agree with Rush as they certainly have said nothing differently.
Republicans, do you still think women are going to roll over and just play dead as you try to make women into second class citizens?
Yeah but the leftist God Bill Maher calls a vice presidential candidate a F%$#@%$&, F%$#&$, C%$#T, and it's cool with all you guys. It's also cool with barack to take money from him. Rush pointed out that anyone needing 3k in birth control for two years must be a slut. Don't see the problem with that until the playing field is leveled. Don't give me this crap about "he's a comedian" either. First of all that's subjective and secondly Rush is a talk show host, nothing more.
Did barack call Palin to make sure she was okay when people in the media called her every name in the book? I Didn't think so. This is a baited situation from Pelosi and Rush took the bait and now the left is in delight because they've got a story about nothing more than name calling. We have become a nation of thin skinned jack asses. Led by the thinnest skinned jack-ass of them all.
As a christian I cannot support a man who has joined a cult , who wants to be President of our great nation, and I call on all Christians of faith that if Romney gets the Republican nomination to not vote for him, I think it is better to keep someone in office who says is a christian than to put someone in who is a non believer. So all Christians nationwide do not listen to the Establishment of Republicans they are bought and paid for. Do Not Vote for Romney for President
Your name says it all.
Right wing Whack job:
I thought the gist of Ms. Fluke's testimony was to point out that a friend of hers, who happened to be a lesbian, needed to take birth control to help with a medical problem involving her ovaries.
Rather than acknowledge that certain methods of contraception are helpful to a woman's health, your doppelganger, Rush, went straight for the "pay for sex" angle and wanted video tapes.
Honestly, do you see nothing wrong with that? Or, is your only defense that other people use inappropriate language too?
Good name, by the way - suits you.
Thank you all for your very kind words. I believe foreign policy will be Romney's biggest Achilles Heel, he has a few others including Healthcare.
If I was paranoid, I'd say Mitt's sabre rattling was a clever election strategy: create uncertainity regarding possible war in the middle east, leading to speculators bidding up oil futures contracts, driving up the cost of gasoline, then try to blame the high cost of gasoline on Obama. However I'm not that paranoid, nor do I think Mitt's that clever.
You know what? This is all a smoke screen anyway! It is the economy, stupid! Either deal with the economy or get the hell out of the race!
Plenty of time to deal with that crap (and it is crap!) after the economy is stabilized! Right now, Obama is doing just fine: jobs are being created, we are steadily (if slowly) making progress, why uin the hell would I want to vote for a a change in social mores? GOP, you have lost your focus!
Mitt's stuck between a rock and a hard place. He isn't the guy he's pretending to be on the stump. The guy he really is no longer qualifies as a Republican. He's the GOP's bitter pill. Kind of feel sorry for the guy...
I kind of feel sorry for Romney, too...and then I remember, he is an empty suit, playing a part, he has been groomed for, for the last 20 years! And, he's NOT playing it well, at all!
He comes across, as smug, and fake, like he practices in front of the mirror, yuck...
Much like Obama, don't you think?
Jo-An-4354969
Amen!!!!
Optomyst-
Anyone who watched both Pres. Obama's press conference and Mitt Romney's speech yesterday saw a clear difference.
The POTUS answered random questions (including at least one from FOX news) in a clear, concise, intelligent manner and refused to get pulled into "name calling".
Mitt Romney had difficulty repeating his standard stumplines even with the help of a teleprompter and looked annoyed when choreographed applause made him lose his train of thought.
A striking difference IMHO.
For a guy who has been in the public eye for as long as he has and is supposed to be intelligent he sure doesn't show it. What a stiff suit he is.
No, not even close! I don't know what your jaded eyes have been looking at...
Exactly! Please stop cheering me on. You're making me lose my place!
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, Optomyst. Remember the debates between Obama and McCain? McCain's inability to sell his agenda and connect with people cost him the election. And McCain could beat Romney in a debate with ease. The thing is, Mitt doesn't believe a word he says - he's sort of politically agnostic; just says what he has to to get what he wants. That isn't exactly the formula for a winning campaign.
LOL! Not even in the same class!
OBAMA 2012
Obama is incompetent! You are too stupid to see it. Let me guess? You like him because he is "black?"
Anomy Mous 1 - if Obama is incompetent, then Mitt, Ricky, Newt and Ron are at an intelligence level of -90! President Obama is an excellent President, helping us dig out of the morass that Bush left! And, I'm guessing you DON'T like Obama because he's black? Truly makes no difference to me what color he is - purple would kinda be a favorite! I just want someone who likes this country (doesn't have their funds offshore); likes women (leaves Santorum out); doesn't like women too much (leaves Newt out); and is still in touch with reality - sorry Ron.
SeekingSanity:
I am not white. However, the problem that I see is that people are either unable to speak up because the fear being politically incorrect i.e. speaking out against the black man. I agree that Bush was not fit to be POTUS. I also see that Obama is actually worse.
Take the case of the green energy companies that combined received over a billion dollars from the Government and then went bankrupt. Don't you think Mitt Romney would have vetted their proposed business model with more scrutiny instead of doling out the money?
I can tell you who is worse than Obama: Rick Santorum and New Gingrich.
Romney is the best guy we have at this juncture. If you don't like his record after four years, then kick him out. What you shouldn't do is reward Obama for his failure. I would have been overjoyed if Clinton can run again but that is only a dream.
The longer this primary season goes on, the more the Democrats have to gain. If this continues beyond Kansas as a 4 person race I might drop out and take up the violin.
The sign for Ron Paul to bow out was writ large in North Dakota. He must in all seriousness realize that there is no room for him in the NeoCon-Theosophy.
Newt Gingrich is at this point running on the fumes of his bloated ego, and the victory in Georgia was not impressive. He may well get one more roll of the dice in Alabama and Mississippi but he will need a victory in one if not both to keep money flowing from Vegas. Vegas likes other people to gamble their money on a long shot.
Little Ricky picked up a peck of peppers and another head of steam … the anti-Romney crowd now have their champion and one who could fight for blue-collar voters better than Mitt and possibly give the Obama camp more headaches in a number of States.
What can one say about Romney but so much money and so little love. He is ahead only in large part by default, the bumbling of his opponents. Santorum in Ohio and both he and Gingrich in Virginia gave Romney two States he may well have lost.
R.I.P. Denis Kucinich
'Morning Ideo.. Very well said. One has to wonder why Ron Paul stays in, he is pretty well funded, but as the primaries continue his attraction to the voters drops. I have to wonder if Gingrich and Paul were to drop out, what percentage of their voters would transfer to either Romney or Santorum. These are interesting times, and I cant wait to watch the machinations and bruised egos work in Tampa.
Ideo -
Speaking of Virginia.....am I the only one who finds it interesting that even in a southern state with the two competitors who would have the presumed most appeal not even on the ballot, Romney could still barely manage to get 60% of the vote? Or that the only other states where he got over half were Idaho and his home state of Massachusetts?
I realize it's all about the delegates - but I think it would still be interesting to know what the total combined popular vote has been in the primaries so far. Would Romney still look as "inevitable" if it WASN'T all about the delegates?
Ideology,
Hate to say it, but start tuning up that violin. I think this group (or at least 3 of them - and Ron Paul will be one who sticks, I believe) will hang all the way to June. Why? Unless Romney gets the magic number in delegates, this give the others a say at the convention, and negotiation power. Also, it keeps Santorum front and center for 2016. (Maybe as the heir presumptive?)
Will Romney, even if he loses the first ballot at the convention be the nominee? Yes. But, Dems, he will be tough to beat. So don't just sit back and snicker about the GOP primary season. I guarentee you that those in Chicago are planning for a long, hard general election fight - so should you.
JoAnne in PA
I also found Virginia most interesting. That was an anti-Romney vote, not a pro-Romney vote.
Phine, I don't see Paul as having anything to negotiate for. The GOP will not give him anything on his major stances. As to some cabinet position, he would be a constant thorn. His youth vote drawing ability will disappear in the General Election as he will not even be VP.
Ideology,
Paul just likes being there. Maybe to start some kind of base for his son? Don't know. But, he does appear to be the type that will hang in there just to be stubborn. And to promote his message that he is adamant about. Sensible, no, but that is just how he appears to me. Remember, also, this is his last chance to promote this message himself, he will have to pass it on for future campaigns, he is 76 now. AND he owes nothing to the GOP establishment.
I am not sure why you say that Ron Paul "... to bow out was writ large in North Dakota".
I entirely disagree. His following, despite not being on mainstream media like the others, is immense and loyal. Most American citizens do NOT want the US Constitution done away with, and us put under a dictatorship, nor the US used as a tool of the UN.
Your comments sound not only unrealistic, but far from reality. The "mainstream media" backs those they are told to. Voter fruad has been in every election held for the 2012: voting machines are "malfunctioning, and not on the side of Ron Paul. Those who are running the polls, who are supposedly "keeping them honest" have not "kept them honest" - again not in favor of Ron Paul. The software for polling was also "malfunctioning" - again not in favor of Ron Paul. Then the companies that this information goes thru before being tallied has also been found not being honest or correct - again NOT in favor of Ron Paul.
So you want one of those guys being put into office by someone other then American voters? Because that is what is happening. If you want that, why bother to vote, let them assign the person.
But please go to another nation for that - here, we are Still America, Land of the Free under the US Constitution despite the attacks on it by those domestic enemies within the three branches of OUR government. But we will arrest them, hold them for prosecution while we replace the domestic enemies within the judicial branch, and prosecute them when that is done.
America is a Constitutional Republic. A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc. The critical difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches. It puts into writing the protections of our natural rights FROM those who might serve within our government.
Plus, didn't you find it "funny" that TSA very visibly went against Rand Paul, Ron Paul's son, when TSA does not do anything visibly (ask the many cell phone users who had theirs confiscatedfor taking pictures of TSA abuses) unless ordered to do so; a highly visible threat to RP against his son?
phine,...I read your line
the HAIR presumptive,...lol
cracked me up.
Phine ... I agree that the general will be a long, hard (and thanks to Super Pacs money) UGLY fight. The debates will be pivotal, and I hope the moderators handle them in a more professional manner than we've witnessed up to now.
Knine
Tell me what you mean by "immense" as in Ron Paul's following and perhaps a realistic conversation can be had; devoid of conspiracy theories of course.
TOG,
I know there are three debates scheduled. Any info on when, and who will moderate them? Mitt will NOT be able to get away from answering questions, then. And when will Romney finally start taking questions from the press (maybe even an appearance on MTP or Face the Nation)? Or, will he keep up with avoiding the press ala Sarah Palin?
Clara, hmm, he does seem to have "presidential" looking hair, no? LOL!!!!!!
Wow, Knine. What a theory. Love to hear what you say about the grassy knoll! Seriously, the CIA is not spying on you from your GFI plugs in your kitchen and bathroom!
What are people's thoughts on Ron Paul running as an independent? Of course, that would upset the Republicans but he seems like he's the kind of guy who could care less. I'm not sure that he appeals to me personally but at least I respect him for sticking to his principles. Much like the late Paul Wellstone here in MN. He was way too liberal for my liking but he never wavered from his principles.
Ron Paul is NOTHING like Paul Wellstone.
As a third party candidate, Ron Paul will bleed votes away from the GOP and he will completely ruin any chance of a Republican victory in November. For that reason, I wish he would announce his intention to become an independent candidate. To do so requires a lot of money, however, and I don't think Paul has the resources to attempt such an endeavor. Stranger things have happened, though, and given the hilarity of the GOP primary race, it is still possible that Republican donors as well as voters would prefer to distance themselves from the crashing-and-burning GOP during the last phase of the election race and go with Paul as an alternative.
Phine: "Also, it keeps Santorum front and center for 2016."
Come on, phine, the rest of America deserves what they get if they vote for this guy, but Steeler Fan and I and our fellow Pennsylvanians have suffered enough already - have mercy! Besides.....by 2016 he'll have been out of the Senate for ten years and instead of being known as the guy who lost conservative Pennsylvania by 18 points, he'll be the guy who couldn't even beat Mitt Romney. As Dana Carvey used to say in his best Bush 41 voice, "Not gonna happen"......
Wellstone was extremely liberal from what I can remember.
Shellie-657180
Ron Paul is NOTHING like Paul Wellstone.
Really? They are very much alike. Neither of them wavered from their principles. I never said their principles were alike. Just because you are blinded by your affiliation to the Democratic party doesn't mean that other people cannot look at things objectively. That's the problem w/ people today is that you refuse to respect anyone who has a different opinion than yourself. I have no problem respecting someone for being passionate for what they believe in (as long as they do not hurt someone) w/out agreeing in their position. That allows me to respect both Ron Paul and Paul Wellstone despite the fact they could not be further apart on the political spectrum. I don't agree w/ either one of them.
Sorry, JoAnne, but the GOP does have a tendancy to pick the runner up from the previous cycle to be the next nominee. How else to you explain Romney?
L and L:
Good points. My wife is a dyed in the wool Democrat but is impressed by Paul sticking to his convictions. But, if he goes 3rd party, he may split the Republican vote and hand Obama his second term. That's what happened to George HW Bush by way of Ross Perot in '92 - and what Nader did to Al Gore in '96. All Ron Paul needs to do is take about 2% of the Republican vote. And he may be just stubborn enough to do it.
longdin - I think you're exactly right. Ron Paul as an independent would be disastrous for the Republican party. I think it seals the deal for Obama, which is why I have to believe that the party will find a place for him on a cabinet or throw him some kind of bone so he doesn't go that route. Of course, his own son is a died in the wool tea party so have to believe he'll also try to talk him out of it. I also agree that Paul may still tell them all to stick it and run anyway...he does have a rabid following that would probably take even more than 2%.
My two cents:
Rachel Maddow explained how Gingrich's sugar daddy Sheldon Adelson keeps funding him because Newt bleeds away enough votes to keep Santorum from besting Mittens. Adelson could handle a Richie Rich POTUS but he couldn't stomach Santorum.
I also wonder if little Ricky isn't biding his time and staying true to his religion in hopes he'll be the VP pick. Mittens is going to need a far right sidekick since he's way too moderate to appeal to the lunatic fringe (aka the GOP base).
Ricky might figure if he's picked for VP in 2012, he'll have a shot at the presidency down the road.
*shudder*
If Frothy is VP or the nominee, I will have no choice but to vote Obama.
phine -
I can explain the infield fly rule. I can explain what's in scrapple. I can explain the meaning of "2001: A Space Odyssey". (okay, no I can't, but I loved it all 14 times I saw it anyway).
But you're right - there's no other explanation I can offer for Mitt Romney.
It's his turn. So fine (or phine, as the case may be) - I've already got the bumper sticker ready:
"Santorum 2016 - Four Years Crazier Than 2012!"
Right on all counts, Kaybeetoys. Whether he likes it or not, Newt is a stalking horse for Mitt. Romney has more delegates than the other Republican hopefuls combined. That gives him the nomination on the first ballot unless Newt pulls out and throws his support to Santorum. I cannot imagine Newt's bloated ego allowing him to do that.
Ruken, my advice is to vote for Obama no matter how the GOP circus plays out. Given four more years with no worries about re-election, Obama will be able to push through a lot of meaningful legislation and bring the economy back to life. He's a sound, reliable leader.
Agreed. The Newtster stays in the game for the $$$ and the press. One thing you can always count on with Newt is his ego.
Does anyone support Newt these days?
As far as I am concerned, Ron Paul is in it for nothing more than what he can gain for his son. Newt Gingrich hopes this is actually a way back into political power; after being ousted 14 years ago as a total sleazeball, he hopes that this is a way back. Deny him that!
I guess Sarah's vote (and support) didn't help Newt much in Alaska. But never fear, she's still holding out hope for a brokered convention where she'll swoop in to save the day.
Palin suggested that she would be fine being considered a possible nominee if the Republican Party faces a brokered convention.
"As I say, anything is possible and I don’t close any doors that perhaps would be open out there," she said. "So no, I wouldn’t close that door and my plan is to be at that convention."
Tired Old Guy
I guess Sarah's vote (and support) didn't help Newt much in Alaska. But never fear, she's still holding out hope for a brokered convention where she'll swoop in to save the day
Yea, she will to fly him and Claissta to the moon. They all belong out of this world. Of course, they are already out of this world; they just don't know it.
Beverly ... I've often wondered what the weather was like in their galaxy.
I am looking forward to the movie this weekend,...Julianne Moore is a good actress and I can't wait to see what she does with the 'material'!
A constant state of heavy, dense, fog.
Me either! I saw Steve Schmidt say the movie was extremely accuarate!
How's that for a kick in the pants to the McCain
campaigntrain wreck? lol*popcorn*?
Romney Squeaks Out Win in Ohio. It was a nail-bitter but it looks as if Romney won Ohio. Of course, we thought he won Iowa and Maine, too. Wonder if Ohio's DeWine? who supported Romney before he supported Santorum will switch back this morning.
It was an interesting night especially the discussions about what a win or loss in Ohio would mean for Romney and Santorum. Not sure anyone really knows because this GOP primary season has not remotely resembled "conventional wisdom" but it was good conversation. Meanwhile, we will watch and enjoy the show as long as it lasts.
Republicans do Fuzzy Memory as well as they do Fuzzy Math. Listening to republican contributors try to compare the 2008 Obama vs Clinton campaign fight to the 2012 GOP primary campaign fight is humorous. They speak about the media and democratic party chatter in 2008 that democrats would not re-unite in comparison to the chatter coming from the media and republicans today but that is where the similarity ends. Democrats had two strong, capable and well liked candidates. Passions for both were powerful but both were recognized as solid presidential material. Beyond the chatter there was no doubt that democrats would rally behind whoever was chosen. Saying 2008 and 2012 are comparable does not make it so. Republicans polls clearly show that they do not like their candidates; they are not happy with their choices.
The Santorum voters do not like or trust Mitt Romney period; Romney supporters do not like Santorum's extreme views and vice versa. There is little to no "passion" for the GOP candidates beyond a passion to defeat Obama which really is a poor reason to choose a presidential candidate. The GOP voters do not really know what their candidates policies and plans mean for them because voters prefer not to ask let alone compare. Clinton voters did not dislike Obama they were simply more passionate about Clinton and vice versa but we voters knew the subtle differences between the two's policies and visions and they were subtle. We liked both but simply liked one better than the other. The GOP has the reverse problem, they are trying to select the least objectionable one on the list.
While the comparisons of the two campaigns are off the mark, that does not mean that come November, republicans will not go to the polls and vote many holding their noses to do so. In 2008, democrats did not hold their noses to vote because we liked both candidates and felt both would be fine presidents.
More Fuzzy Memory occurred on Morning Joe today when discussing President Obama's press conference comments about the talk of war coming from the GOP presidential candidates. It was suggested that President Obama now knows how President Bush felt in 2008 during the democratic primary. Hold on there chattering class. None of the democratic candidates least of all Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama spoke about bombing Iran or any other country; the GOP candidates do daily, a lot of bombastic bluster leaves their lips at every campaign stop. Clinton and Obama campaigned on, discussed and debated diplomacy, not bombs. Both did say that all options for any foreign crisis would be on the table but that is a given--it was not a specific threat. They debated beginning diplomatic talks with Iran and the hottest discussion revolved around "with or without pre-existing conditions" for talks.
When Candidate Obama criticized Bush, it was about "taking his eye off" Afghanistan and going to Iraq; about not finishing the job at hand first. He criticized Bush for "staying the course" in Iraq too long before finally making military changes to stop the civil war that was raging. Candidates Obama and Clinton criticized tactics and strategy differences in two existing wars, differences in diplomatic ideas--neither ever spoke about starting another war, threatening to bomb Iran as the GOP candidates are doing today and doing so with regularity and without ever discussing or debating the consequences.
All the pundits, strategists and the contributors need to refresh their memories on both these topics because in listening to them, it is obvious they do fuzzy memory as well as republicans do fuzzy math--tax cuts do not decrease revenues and do not require spending cuts, that sort of fuzzy math.
Jody ... I think it's because of that warm and "fuzzy" feeling that they get when they talk about dropping bombs on another country.
Correction ... when "our" sons and daughters are dropping those bombs.
Jody, Iowa
More Fuzzy Memory occurred on Morning Joe today when discussing President Obama's press conference comments about the talk of war coming from the GOP presidential candidates
Much more Fuzzy Memory yesterday on Moaning Joe I got a chance to see why Net-n-Yahoo is talking out of both sides of mouth. He does not like my president and wants a republican in the WH.
Crazzzy former Netyahau war monger makes the case why Israel can strike Iran and save the world just like they did with Syria. This nut thinks the world will praise Israel for striking Iran and apply the crippling sanctions after the strike.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#46638741
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I trust our President even more so now. What if, providing of course there aren't any nukes, happens then?
Doesn't Benji have a popularity problem of his own in Israel right now? And also, isn't the general population not all that enthused about a war with anyone - especially going after Iran? Thought I had heard something about those two questions.
Jody, I watched these events as you did and came away with exactly the same thoughts, thank you for posting them. I recommend you repost this particular post on additional threads today.
I get so tired of the pundits and talking heads, keep going back in time to make comparisons whether it is on the last general election or on a previous one or candidates. Everything and everyone changes over time, unless they live under a rock.
Technology today, has drastically changed the political landscape in every area, and look at the the voters, we now have besides our vote, a voice here and other blogs. Technology and in the social media is where the Obama campaign shows great strength and how to use it to their advantage.
Bet Limbaugh wishes there wasn't anything such as Facebook and Twitter and through Google, the ability to make our voices heard loud and clear. Mitt could learn how to use them too.
Jody says:
"Democrats had two strong, capable and well liked candidates. Passions for both were powerful but both were recognized as solid presidential material.'
Then why did Hillary attack Obama's readiness for the presidency with the famous ad, showing the phone ringiing at 3 AM?
These lame talking points posted in this liberal fantasy land are laughably weak.
Phine, true, Bebe N, is not that popular in his own country and he does not have the support needed to bomb Iran.
Oh, Bob McDonnell for VP, you have my deepest sympathy on so many levels but mostly because you fail even the most basic test of comprehension, the 3AM phone call ad made no mention of bombing Iran to pieces--well, that and supporting the vaginal probe Governor for VP.
Bob in VA-
So you are saying that an ad which questioned Barack Obama's experience to be the same as ones where Romney and Santorum each question each other's honesty, integrity and character? You REALLY don't see the difference?
Jody--not only is it fuzzy memories but also blurred vision when they talk about the President as "not that good a debater" (like Mitt would win the debates) or "aloof". I heard these both on Morning Joe for the brief time I could stick with it. One thing candidates do is go to factories & then talk about the economy. I've watched video and pictures of both the President & Mitt doing this and the President always looks engaged, interested, enthusiastic. Mitt looks bored and out of place. I think their problem is that the President connects with the people and not the politicians and pundits (and after all he's dealt with over the years who could blame him). I've seen no evidence that Mitt connects with anyone other than his family.
Really Jody, perhaps your fuzzy memory has wiped out some of the inflammatory, authority-undermining rhetoric spouted during the democratic primary and campaign trail regarding the violations of civil liberties and that mindset of the bush administration. Yet, here we are and Guantanamo is till open, military tribunals are still the venue of choice, it is now law that infinite detention is ok, and now the AG has said its consitutional to target american citizen without due process of law. When they are a candidate its okay to weaken an opposition commander in chief, but when they become the Commander, boy how their tune changes.
Bob in VA -
Watch the "3:00 am" ad again from the perspective of four years later - Hillary Clinton never once mentions Barack Obama in it. If anything, it plays up her own strengths as knowing world leaders and knowing the military and being ready to answer that phone. Sure, the implication is there - but compared to the kind of stuff Romney and Santorum have been slinging this year, this ad looks - well, in your own words, laughably weak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg
antonio, for the umpteenth time, President Obama cannot close Gitmo because Congress would not authorize funding to do it; they blocked every effort to close it. Do not blame President Obama for the failure of our lawmakers. Have you forgotten the GOP cries of terrorists will be released on the streets of our cities and towns? Liz and Dick Cheney out there beating the drums of fear--the world would end if we tried terrorists in civil courts. Democratic lawmakers, too, all behaving as if our maximum security prisons could not possibly keep terrorists locked up.
When the democrats talked about military tribunals and indefinite detention, as well as violations of civil liberties and due process of law, they were discussing specific Bush policies affecting these shores and Americans--they were viable disagreements of policy and deserve to be debated. What I wrote about was that fuzzy memories try to compare the democratic debates about foreign policy to what the GOP candidates are doing today. None of the democratic candidates talked about starting a war in Iran, bombing just because we can. There is no comparison of the "bomb, bomb, bomb" rhetoric coming from the GOP candidates to what democrats said about the same subject in 2008. The fact that you cannot see the difference says a great deal.
JoAnne, excellent point; the ad never mentions Barack Obama.
Really antonio, maybe you have been in a coma and just woke up or maybe you just aren't that good at not making a fool of yourself. The patriot act allowed for infinite detention, pretty much wiped out due process, but you were just peachy with all that during the Bush administration. The current crop of crazies in the house won't allow the closing of GITMO (remember that empty prison Illinois) and you rabid righties were screaming bloody murder at the suggestion of putting "terrorists" on trial in our courts. But I guess all that just vanished from your tiny little brain. However, I will admit, it is entertaining to watch your desperate attempts to find something to whine about while at the same time you are screaming to the world, "look at me, I'm a desperate dimwit"!
I don't think they're desperate at all.
So, what did we learn last night?
Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Bupkis.
The GOP nomination is no clearer this morning than it was 24 hours ago. Romney still looks like the presumptive nominee but maintains his weakness among hardcore conservatives. Santorum looks like the anti-Romney who moderate Republicans think can't win in November. Gingrich is still the regional candidate with delusions that he can actually win the nomination. Paul is...well, I don't know what he wants.
What happens next? Well, the calendar is certainly not on Romney's side for the moment...yes, he will win the little contests in Guam, the Virgin Islands, Hawaii and Puerto Rico but the only major victory he'll claim over the next few weeks is Illinois. Kansas, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Missouri will go to Santorum (though maybe Gingrich takes Alabama).
So, the GOP is left with the conundrum...Romney is the best chance to win but the diehard base won't go for him. What's the party to do?
PS - After Romney's "victory" speech last night, if he is, in fact, the GOP nominee, I don't believe that anyone in that party is in any position to evaluate a Democrat in the future as being a snob or being effete or being a wimp.
Maybe they should follow the ol Brooklyn saying - " Throw de bums out!" and wait 'til next year!
Note the *crickets* from the right at the news that Mitt used a (gasp) teleprompter to deliver his speech last night.
DaNoid, you summed last night up nicely. Listening to their speeches required caffeine just to stay focused because they sounded line inane drones.
Steeler Fan, yep, crickets from the right. Gingrich was feeding his crowd last night by saying he'd let President Obama use a teleprompter in Newt's fictional 7, 3-hr debates when he could have poked at Mitt Romney for using one. It's so childish. In my opinion, both Newt and Rick should have used one because they rattled on about nothing for what seemed an eternity. We should call him "Teleprompter Mitt" just to stir the right.
Romney's read from the teleprompter speech is the same speech he has given no less than 4-5 times now. When he uses his dreaded teleprompter (which New pointed out last night) he drones on and repeats the same canned speech he's was provided a few months back. When he goes off the teleprompter and makes up his own speech is when he repeatedly shoves both his feet in his mouth.
Shellie, so true. As long as Romney stays on script, he does fine; it's when he adlibs that he fails. What I find so funny about the right-wingers comments about President Obama using a teleprompter for speeches is that they fail to recognize that he did not use one for the debates, does not use one for his press conferences and the classic was President Obama's appearance at the annual GOP legislative caucus meeting when Obama, without notes and without teleprompter, systematically sliced and diced every question the GOPers had about every issue they mentioned reducing their arguments to rubble. He demolished them--all from memory. This is the fatal mistake the Gingrichs and Santorums make--they believe they can debate President Obama because they believe their own nonsense about teleprompters.
The teleprompter remark started with Rush Limbaugh and the dildoheads are just repeating the master. Name one President since Eisenhower who didn't use one.
Living in Ohio was certainly a pleasant evening here not having to jump up to answer the phone every few minutes. My focus is on the turn out yesterday & am I seeing extremely low numbers. In our county I believe it was in the 32% range & considering it is very rural & very conservative.... There were a number of hotly contested local races & money issues & yet not even 1/3 of those eligible came out??
Deb C-1357798: I thought I heard this morning that the turnout in OH was up from 2008. Anyone know?
Chris -
Well, since we all know Fox News is the most accurate source: :)
http://www.fox19.com/story/17096974/voter-turnout-low-during-ohio-primary
Thank you JoAnne! :)
Just got home so sorry I didn't get to check the numbers earlier. AP reported earlier today turnout was just over 25% for this primary. 1.9million voted of the 7.7million eligible. In 2008 there were 3.5M who voted in the primary. So turnout significantly less. These figures were provided I believe by the Sec. of State.
Deb C, I hear you about the peace of the phone not ringing. Felt the same way when all 10 or so of them packed up and left the state after the caucus.
I don't understand how anyone could support Santorum. He's essentially a "Christian" version of Ayatollah, and I fear would set the USA down the path of becoming a theocracy.
Scares the hell out of me.
It blows my mind how many do not do their own research and follow like sheep getting all their input from the elite, the media. I truly fear for the future of this great land, I found out about the Fed when I was around 45, now 54 and I am amazed that know one really seems to talk or care, never in the media, not many that seem to care.....
Dr. Ron Paul has been fighting to at least audit the Federal Reserve...many people of the USA think that the Fed is owned by us, not so and has never been. The Fed is owned by European banks, some in which are the ones we fled. People this country did fine from 1776 till 1913 when they came in the back door when it was unlocked. Our founding fathers had it setup for the congress to be the only ones to control our monetary system, they are bringing us down. Thomas Jefferson said he feared someone else controlling our monetary system more than he feared any standing army. That speaks volume folks, if you have an enemy control your money how well would you be doing? Anyhow Dr. Paul wants them gone and this makes sense to me, he will have my support as he is the only one running that cares to truly change things, and this IS nothing new for him.
Chaz - Good cut and paste from your previous comment on the other blog. Kinda like using a teleprompter,huh?
lololol
It blows my mind how someone accuses others of not doing the research and getting all their information from the "elite media" which is nothing but a repeat of a talking point you got from hearing it from the "elite media". LOL
P.S. Ron Paul is dead in the water, has been from the beginning and still is. Going no where, and getting there faster every day.
auditing the fed is about the worst thing you could possibly do. in the universe. you wanna see panic and people jumping from rooftops?
Romney might be a bit more popular then the rest. But as much as I do not want to see Obama in for another four. I have serious doubts that Romney has enough support to beat him. Its way too early to just write off November to Obama. But the Republicans are basically self destructing. Internal strife is just making it hard to get behind one candidate.
Though Romney gives the R's the best chance at winning. I just don't see how Santorum or Newt could possibly beat a sitting President. Romney's advantage is that he appeals more to the independents and center. No matter what the Tea Party people say, they will still vote for a Republican regardless. Santorum scares the heck out of me, personally. I'm very much a Christian but that guy is nuts. There's no way I could vote for him.
Why don't all you liberal pickle scorchers move to France or better yet Syria. Assad would love to have you
If Newt gets his way, you ultra conservatives can colonize his looney moon base and play the vaginal probe game to your hearts content.
Well, Robert, because we aren't the ones advocating a theocracy, or religious fealty as a test for office holders. That would be you guys.
robert popple-1912943
Willard Mittens Romney said he wants people who disagree with him to move to North Korea. I don't know what you've got against France. It's run by a conservative president. I've been to Paris, and I'd rather live there than some places in the U.S. overrun by boorish right wingers and Confederate sympathizers.
robbert popple, well, it's like this, I am an American citizen and have as much right to live in this country as conservatives do. I have as much right to my "liberal pickle scorcher" view as you have to your 19th century ones or whatever they may be. That's why this country is called a democracy--everyone is entitled to their view, the right to speak their minds, to vote and above all to be free to live where we choose. If you don't care for that concept, perhaps you should be the one seeking another country to call home; but, if like me, you like it here--well, it's a free country and no one is forcing you to go because your beliefs differ from mine.
I thought Assad was a conservative.
robert popple-1912943
Why don't all you liberal pickle scorchers move to France or better yet Syria. Assad would love to have you
Translation, I can't get my way because I am part of the tiny sect of dimwited lunatics and all my candidates suck so bad they are practically handing Obama the election so, I'm going to huff and puff like a dimwitted child and scream at everyone to get off my lawn! lol
haha. childish indeed. ahh the love it or leave it crowd. go ahead and try and make me and you'll learn just how much libuhruhls are afraid to use guns.
ps, this tripe didnt work during vietnam, what on earth makes you think it will now? libuhrhls are still here and going no where. then again, you were prolly already a conservative hater old guy during vietnam.
Here's the worst thing: being a free country and all, you have to live with us! Doesn't that just gripe your ass?
A cult member, a swinger, a bible thumping zealot, and a dead man walking......WOW
These nuts shouldn't run the third shift of a Dunkin Donuts much less this country
Poor Willard! What if the GOP threw an election and no one cared?
Dey is...dey is.....
The bum in the white house can't run on pathetic record. 8 % plus unemployment. Actual unemployment is close to 15 %. Vote him in and you are out of your minds.
So to fix unemployment, we should vote in a vulture capitalist?
I fail to see where this is a logical alternative.
alans4
The 8% unemployment rate is NOT a record. It was up past 10% in 2010. It was also higher than 10% when Ronald Reagan was the bum in the White House.
Ruken I see you like Rick Perry since you used his label for Romney. Some jobs need to be cut, some factories need to be closed for a company to remain profitable. If we tried to preserve every job the ice delivery man, telephone operators, blacksmiths, and many others would still have their old jobs. We need to create an environment for manufacturers to thrive in the U.S. so all of the factory jobs aren't sent overseas. I think a very successful venture capitalist will be better than a community organizer.
alans4, unemployment is going down all over the country and will be below 8% by November. Obviously you don't keep up with current events. What would qualify as being "out of your mind" would be to vote for any of the clowns fielding the GOP field. Romney would take us straight into war with Iran and that's something he could do as Commander in Chief without any checks and balances.
Diamond60
Romney was very successful at making money by taking over companies, running them into the ground, and firing their employees. I'd rather have the community organizer. After all, the United States is supposed to be a community, not a corporation. And the American community is a lot better organized than it was four years ago at the depths of the Bush Recession. Not that the Romney wouldn't return a good profit to the corporations that invested in his campaign if he were president. But it probably wouldn't do America much good if Romney let his corporate paymasters suck the US economy dry.
And you know it's 15% because ...?
People always seem to forget that the "community organizer" killed Osama Bin Laden, Closed Iraq war , put date to end of Afghanistan. Passed HCR which is saving billions of dollars for americans, got rid of Dont ask Dont tell . Thats just some of the things a community organizer Did in just 3 yrs!
25 months of consecutive job growth, Dow over 12000 (7500 where GOP left it) GM is # 1 in the world all from a community organizer!
Wow the things we find in a community!!!
Pissed Off Person:
Don't confuse us with facts. I hope you know that none of what you say agrees with Rush Limbaugh. You can't have both sides being right.
lololol sorry
yup, the unemployment is obamas fault... uh huh. all i gotta do is just erase my mind from august to january 2008 and it works out perfectly.
Hahahahaha!
The only reason it is this high is because we voted in a a Republican last time! That's lotsa reason we should do it again!
The big story from last night is that Ron Paul didn't win any states--even by his standards of picking off delegates in caucus-friendly states, he was far back in North Dakota and Alaska, where he was thought to do well.
He won't drop out, of course, but he had the kind of Super Tuesday that usually flushes out other candidates with the same result.
Fancy, Ever research Voter Fraud? Check out the changes below. RP went down?????
2012 North Dakota caucus fraud: Start - Ron Paul 60, Mitt Romney 09, Rick Santorum 19, Newt Gingrich 01
Later it changed to - Rick Santorum 40% Ron Paul 28%
Actually, you might not be aware of the "Voter Fraud" that has been happening in every state these guys have been voted on in so far (2012).
Fox News Suggests Fraud On Super Tuesday In Ohio and Virginia Election, NBC says voter registration fraud is not "voter fraud".
North Dakota caucus fraud: Start - Ron Paul 60, Mitt Romney 09, Rick Santorum 19, Newt Gingrich 01
Later - Rick Santorum 40% Ron Paul 28% Santorum won with more than 1,300 votes above Ron Paul
How did RP go down from 60 to 28?
WE need to know that whoever gets elected is REALLY OUR choice, and not made for us.
Percentages change as more votes are counted.
So knine, you are saying, or admiting rather, that it is indeed the republicans committing voter fraud? Boy , this just keeps getting better and better. The desperation is such that now they are acusing their own of voter fraud. LOL
So knine, you are saying, or admiting rather, that it is indeed the republicans committing voter fraud?
No, maybe you should vote for the incumbent; who has provided more jobs, economy is improving, things are getting better. Geee, ya know, why would I vote for that?
What this means is that the Republican party is still very divided.
Sanbo is Toast. :)
Sanbo Santorum?
Not "toasted" yet, but he's getting warmer...
The republicans want war?? that way they can make sure that lots and lots of fossil fuel will be used and their Greedy fat arssed Special Interest groups will make lots and lots of MONEY...
Remember last time, "DRILL BABY DRILL"
The Right truly SICKENS me!
Worried about your green energy subsidy? Do you get billions, for producing nothing? Then you must be a government bureacrat or an Obama crony feeding at the public trough.
You're an awesome Newsviner! It's true Republicans do want war not only with Iran, but the Democrats and people who don't agree with them as well. What happen to the good old days when we were all united as Americans? I hope it doesn't take another 9/11 to bring us together. Of course now the South/GOP is ticked off at the "whiny" New Yorkers over a terrorist attack. I hope and pray civility is NOT dead.
MSN will never give Romney any credit, and will push for Santorum cuz he'll get destroyed by Obama. They took Newt out who was Obama's biggest threat and now it's Romney's turn, how much is MSN getting paid off by Obama to publish crap like this?
Agreed.
MSNBC gets more ad revenue the more 'hits' the page gets.
Therefore if you want to hurt MSNBC, don't visit their site.
It is fun to visit MSNBC, to see how pathetically biased the Obama-poodle network has become.
Bob in Virginia - No party affiliation here but seriously, do you not see how "pathetically biased" both sides of the political spectrum are? We no longer have the United States, we have red and blue states. Unfortunately, we aren't Americans any longer - we are republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, and on and on. Again, no party affiliation. Just an American. I realize you were speaking of MSNBC but really?
Point!
Biased opinions are definitely the bane. A better interpretation is the ballot-crossers. If you've never voted outside your own party lines...your opinions are pretty much worthless as far as estimating an election goes :) Just the 'skinny'
Raizer:
I don't think it's quite that way.
Hey Bob in Virginia -----it is fun to visit Fox to see how pathetically biased the Republican-poodle network has ALWAYS BEEN.
When these 4 clowns take the horse drawn carriage ride around the Capitol in November, they'll still be fighting each other over who gets to sit directly behind the horse right after feeding.
Regardless of how bad Romney is doing in wrapping up the nomination, it is inevitable that he will be the nominee. The real question is what will the supporters of Santorum, Gingrich and Paul do in a general election. I cannot imagine any of them voting for Obama, so either they stay home or they fall in line with Mitt.
I am surprised that Paul is not running as an independent.
The next big question is who will be the VP candidate for Mitt. Could it be Trump to appease the Tea Party or will he go for the evangelical vote with Santorum.
I think it all depends on who the VP selection is. There are some choice that will drag supporters in. I happen to think Ron Paul is setting up his son as a possible Romney VP candidate. Its almost certain to be someone acceptable to the teapartyish people.
Trump would not appease the tea party. Are you high?
Picking Rand Paul for VP would be political suicide for any candidate. Marco Rubio would be the best choice in my mind but he's too smart to accept the nomination.
I think Mr Rubio and Mr Christie will be on the 2016 ticket. But Your more than likely right on Mr Rand.
Every time I see the name Rubio my first thought is of Ricky Rubio from the Timberwolves.
It looks like you beat me to the question about Paul. I could definitely see him running as an independent. Though, his son would probably do his very best to prevent that from happening since the "establishment" would be PO'd. I hadn't yet thought about the VP ticket but I do agree that he has to bring on a TP-type as VP. Obviously, the TP still votes for Romney but the bigger concern is making sure they get out and vote. Otherwise, they could just stay home. In my mind, Mitt is the only candidate that could possibly beat Obama simply because he actually resonates more w/ the center/independents. I still think Obama ends up winning the race but it's a lot closer than it would be w/ Santorum who ONLY appeals to the ultra-right wing evangelicals.
Did you see that Romney had twice the Catholic vote in Ohio vs. Rick? There's just not enough of those people to win a general election yet the Republicans continue to go down that road. It makes no sense to me. Even as a Christian, I would never, ever vote for Santorum. The guy is a fruitcake.
If Paul runs as an indie it just hands the election to Obama.
Let's hope Paul does run as an indie ! I shutter to think what would happen if one of these right wing, dim-witted, ultra religious wingnuts was our president. OBAMA 2012 !!
415 to 176 delegates is close?... it's almost mathematically over. Nice logic MSN !!
As I have been saying for a few months now, its amusing to watch this particular group and the effect they have on the liberals on these blogs. While Im not going to vote for Mr. Obama, it does not bother me if he gets re-elected. As long as Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid are minority leaders.
I don't like Pelosi one bit, But the idiot TP as been messing with this country getting back on its feet. Either do your job for the people or get out. That means you need to think of the MAJORITY and learn to compromise for the people's well being in the immediate future.
In the real world of politics, this is just idle chatter! Obama did not conclusively win in 2008, that is until he was able to through trickery, to disqualify the Ohio and Florida primaries and get them flushed!