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Subscribe to RSSDamaged goods? New NBC/WSJ poll shows the primary season has taken a toll on GOP and its candidates… Romney’s image -- right now -- is worse than McCain’s, Kerry’s, and Dole’s at this point in the race… But he’s also in a stronger position of capturing the GOP nomination… Also in the poll: Obama’s political standing has improved… Wrapping Obama’s day yesterday at AIPAC… And it’s one day until Super Tuesday.
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Campaign signs for Republican presidential candidates former Senator Rick Santorum and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney line a road in Bedford, New Hampshire.
*** Damaged goods? If you're a Republican reading our latest NBC/WSJ poll, there’s one immediate conclusion: This Republican nominating season, which holds 11 Super Tuesday contests tomorrow, needs to come to an end -- ASAP. And that’s probably why more members of the GOP establishment, including Eric Cantor and Tom Coburn, are endorsing front-runner Mitt Romney. According to the survey, the combative and highly scrutinized primary season has taken a toll on the party and its presidential candidates, especially Romney. Four in 10 of all adults say the Republican nominating process has given them a less favorable impression of the GOP, versus just 12% with a more favorable opinion. Additionally, asked to describe the nominating battle in a word or phrase, 69% of respondents (including 63% of independents and even 56% of Republicans) answered with a negative comment. Some of the examples from Republicans: “Unenthusiastic,” “discouraged,” “lesser of two evils,” “painful,” and disappointed.” And 55% of respondents (including 35% of Republicans) believe the Democratic Party does a better job than the GOP of appealing to those who aren’t hard-core supporters.
Read the full poll here (.pdf)
A new NBC News-WSJ poll shows that Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney appears to have made progress in garnering support ahead of the crucial GOP Super Tuesday primaries. NBC's Chuck Todd has all of the details.
*** A flashing red light for the GOP: It’s worth noting, of course, that this poll was conducted (Feb. 29-March 3) during the divisive GOP primary battle, the debate over contraception, and Rush Limbaugh’s comments about the Georgetown law student. If nothing else, these numbers show how bad these conversations have been for the GOP’s brand. And they serve as a flashing red light for a Republican Party that wants to win the White House, take over the Senate, and hold on to the House. About the only positive Republicans can take out of this survey is the timing: Perhaps as a nominee, Romney can change the conversation back to the economy – or at least away from the social issues which are having a damaging effect among key women swing voting groups.
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*** Romney’s image -- right now -- is worse than McCain’s, Kerry’s, and Dole’s: The primary season has taken a toll on Romney, too. In January’s NBC/WSJ poll, Romney’s fav/unfav score stood at 31%/36% (and 22%/42% among indies), which as we noted then wasn’t good. But in this latest survey, it’s even worse, 28%/39% (and 22%/38% among indies). In fact, Romney’s image right now is worse than almost all other recent candidates who went on to win their party’s presidential nomination: Obama was 51%/28% and McCain was 47%/27%, per the March 2008 NBC/WSJ poll; Kerry was 42%/30% at this point in ’04; George W. Bush was 43%/32% in 2000; and Bob Dole was 35%/39%. The one exception: Bill Clinton, in April 1992, was 32%/43%. That means that if Romney becomes the GOP nominee, he has a LONG WAY to go to rehabilitate his image. Just see SNL’s opening skit over the weekend.
*** But he’s also in a stronger position of winning the GOP nomination: That’s the bad news for Romney. The good news, per the poll: He’s in a strong position to capturing his party’s presidential nomination. After his primary victories last week in Arizona and Michigan, he leads the national GOP horserace with support from 38% of Republican voters, his highest-ever mark in the poll. Romney’s followed by Santorum at 32% and Gingrich and Paul, who are tied at 13% each. In a race reduced to just two candidates, Romney leads Santorum by five points, 50%-45%. In particular, the former Massachusetts governor has boosted his standing with Tea Party supporters. What’s more, 72% of Republicans say they would be satisfied if Romney becomes the GOP nominee. Bottom line: Romney has never been in a stronger position among Republicans in our poll, but he’s also never been in a worse position among everyone else.
*** Obama’s improved political standing: While the nomination battle has damaged the GOP and Romney, it has only helped President Obama’s political standing. In the poll, his approval rating stands at 50%-45%, his highest mark in the NBC/WSJ survey since Osama bin Laden’s death. What’s more, he leads Romney by six points, 50%-44%, winning independents (46%-39%), women (55%-37%), suburban women (46%-44%), and those in the Midwest (52%-42%). Obama enjoys bigger leads over Paul (50%-42%), Santorum (53%-39%), and Gingrich (54%-37%). Bolstering Obama’s standing is increased optimism about the state of the U.S. economy: 40% believe the economy will improve during the next year, and 57% say the worst is behind us (versus 36% who say the worst is still ahead). Peter Hart, the Democratic half of our NBC/WSJ survey, sums up the current poll’s outlook on the 2012 race: If it were a cocktail, it would be “one part Obama, one part the economy, and three parts the Republican Party’s destruction.”
*** Obama at AIPAC: But that’s the situation now with EIGHT months to go until the general election. And there will challenges ahead for the president, including the situation with Iran. Here’s the New York Times’ take on Obama’s speech at AIPAC yesterday: “In a forceful address to the group, the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Mr. Obama declared that he would not tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran and would act — with military force, if necessary — to prevent that from happening. But he made it clear that he did not believe that a strike on Iran would serve the interests of either the United States or Israel. And he chided his Republican critics for, as he described it, putting politics ahead of American national security interests.” Obama meets with Israeli PM Netanyahu at 10:45 am ET. This won’t be the tense meeting the two had the last time Netanyahu. But it also won’t be a pure love-fest; the two men just don’t like each other THAT much. Call it a “like” fest. The both need each other for their own domestic political reasons, and Netanyahu also finds himself in the position of potentially realizing he has to deal with a President Obama for FIVE more years, rather than one (which may have helped embolden him last year). Still, don’t underestimate the concern the White House has on this issue; the fact the president whole-heartedly rejected the idea of an Iranian “containment” policy is a sign of his own concerns on this issue with domestic audiences.
*** Super Tuesday developments: Turning to tomorrow’s Super Tuesday contests, here’s a wrap of some of the latest developments: An NBC/Marist poll released over the weekend showed Santorum and Romney running neck and neck in Ohio among likely GOP primary voters, with Santorum at 34% and Romney at 32%. (The poll also had Romney leading big in Virginia over Paul, 69%-26%)… A new Quinnipiac poll of Ohio shows Romney with the momentum, as he leads Santorum 34%-31% (those numbers were essentially flipped, per the Q poll released late last week)… And a Mason-Dixon poll shows Gingrich leading in Georgia among likely voters with 38%, followed by Romney at 24%, and Santorum at 22%. A quick “just asking”: What took so long for Santorum to go after Romney on health care and the mandate? Did it really take a Democratic oppo-dump or reminder for him to do it? It seems Democrats are jumping on this USA TODAY op-ed as much as Santorum. Still, a reminder that Romney never has gone through a tough time on health care for a sustained period during this nomination fight.
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd shares details from the latest NBC/WSJ poll and explains what may happen during Super Tuesday.
*** On the trail: Most of the action is in the Super Tuesday prize of Ohio: Romney stumps in Canton, Youngstown, and Zanesville… Santorum hits Miamisburg, Westerville, and Cuyahoga Falls… Meanwhile, Gingrich campaigns in Tennessee… And Paul is in Idaho.
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Even with his halfhearted apology over the weekend, it is clear Lord Limpball's has irrevocably bitten off more than even HE can chew!
As of last night, 7 of Rush's sponsors have said ENOUGH! Let us see how many more have the courage to just say NO to this hateful, ignorant, arrogant, misogynist & shell of what passes as a human being!
A heartfelt thank you goes out to;
Sleep Number – Sleep Train – Quicken Loans – Carbonite – Pro-Flowers – Legal Zoom & Citrix
Discerning women of this country and the men who support them have sent a message loud & clear, when you cross the line of basic human decency you will be held accountable!
The only way to damage this kind of hate speech is to hit them where it hurts MOST, in their wallets!
The First Amendment may give hate merchants freedom of speech, but, it also gives ME the right to respond in a manner I chose!
Which is why I spent the last 3 days contacting Rush's sponsors and letting them know I will not tolerate hate speech!
Money talks while bullsh!t walks…
Sandra Fluke is the 2012 equivalent to Rosa Parks!
The Republican Party reminds of the central villain of the Star Trek series that was known as the Borg. The Borg was an interplanetary race that attempted to assimilate other species into their “COLLECTIVE,” a hive mind that was connected to one entity. That entity is BIG MONEY. As long as the workers in the HIVE continue to blindly follow orders, they will forever be in bondage and many of the Republican voters are forever indebted to BIG MONEY…
Thanks to a President Obama that has that Captain Kirk ability with a tinge of Picard to dispatch the COLLECTIVE into the Interstallar wormhole from whence they came...
LMBO... priceless.
GOP leaders and GOP congressionals are using women
to drive a wedge between catholics, other church-goers and President Obama.
Women's healthcare concerns in this political environment could not be
expressed any better than Sandra Fluke's opening statement to the House Democratic
Steering and Policy Committee:
My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third-year student at Georgetown Law School. I’m also a past-president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. And I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them so much for being here today.
We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the non-partisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine.
I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens. We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women. Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic and Jesuit institutions.
When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.
And especially in the last week, I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear from yet another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage.
And so, I’m here today to share their voices, and I want to thank you for allowing them, them – not me – to be heard.
Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.
One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt, when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.
Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice. And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true. Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need.
How can Congress consider the [Rep. Jeff] Fortenberry (R-Neb.), [Sen. Marco] Rubio (R-Fla.) and [Sen. Roy] Blunt (R-Mo.) legislation to allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraception coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to de-fund those very same clinics?
These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people.
In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.
A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.
Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.
When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.
In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.
For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.
After months of paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication any more, and she had to stop taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’
Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary.
She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result."
(Second Part of Ms. Fluke's testimony continues on a thread lower down on First Read >>>...)
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/HealthandC
OUCH!!!!
That's gotta hurt lefty liberals. A Republican leading the polls by a significant margin to win a full term in Ted Kennedy's old Senate seat. Especially when the Dem candidate is about as lefty as liberals get. Even 22% of Dems would vote for the Republican Scott Brown over Lizzie Warren. (Maybe they are confusing her with Massachusetts double ax murderer Lizzie Borden??) And worst of all, she is getting KILLED by 2 to 1 among independent voters.
LMAO!!!!
From Politico:
Poll: Brown leads Warren in Mass.
By: MJ Lee
March 5, 2012 06:15 AM EST
Sen. Scott Brown has pulled ahead of his likely Democratic challenger, Elizabeth Warren, by 8 percentage points, a new poll finds.
If the Senate election between the Brown and Warren were held today, almost half of Massachusetts voters, 49 percent, said they would vote for the senator, while 41 percent would choose the Democrat, according to a Western New England University Polling Institute survey. Ten percent were undecided.
The majority of Democrats in the Bay State, 70 percent, said they would vote for Warren over Brown, but more than 2 in 10 Democrats, 22 percent, said they would choose the GOP incumbent.
Meanwhile, among Republicans in the state, the overwhelming majority, 94 percent, said they would vote for Brown over Warren, while only 4 percent said they would reach across the political aisle to pick Warren.
Brown was significantly more popular among independent voters, with 58 percent choosing him over Warren, while just 29 percent said they'd like to see the Democrat replace the first-term senator.
Limbaugh v Fluke
There is no question that for three consecutive days Limbaugh has attacked Sandra Fluke by calling her a slut and prostitute. Fox News minimized the story while Bill O'Reilly and now Sean Hannity outright supported Limbaugh. But what were the candidates and conservative politicians saying?
Santorum called the comments "absurd" and said Limbaugh was an "entertainer" but did not elaborate. He did not want to offend Limbaugh by being outraged by Rush's comments. Initially Romney walked away from the microphone, and then later said, "That was not the language I would have used". Well Mittens, what words would you have used? At best Romney's words say nothing, or at worst he is agreeing with Limbaugh. His cowardly comments show no leadership, but only fear—fear of Rush Limbaugh. Like Santorum, Romney missed a golden opportunity to be a man in that empty suit by condemning Limbaugh; but instead they both mouthed cowardly "weasel words".
John Boehner fared no better. John did not have the courage to speak out against the GOP war on women, but instead HAD HIS SPOKESPERSON say, "The use of those words was inappropriate." The fact is that John Boehner is also afraid of Rush Limbaugh.
It seems that about every 20 years women have to stand up for their rights. The Supreme Court decided Roe v Wade in 1973, and then in 1991 women were again energized after Anita Hill gave testimony at the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearing. Now, in 2012, women are again standing up and telling conservatives like Rush Limbaugh, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, John Boehner and Bob McDonnell to leave my body alone.
On Saturday, after losing at least 6 sponsors, (now 7 sponsors) Rush Limbaugh issued a written apology on his website, saying "in an attempt to be humorous I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize." Limbaugh called Ms. Fluke a "slut", a "prostitute" and wanted her to make sex tapes and post them online, presumably for Limbaugh to watch. That is not funny or humorous, THAT IS BULLYING AND SICK. Carefully reading Limbaugh's complete apology, it is clear that it wasn't an apology at all; it was a feeble justification for bullying. This issue is not closed by any means.
I'm reminded of Nancy Sinatra singing, "These boots are made for walkin and that just what they'll do. One of these days these boots are going to walk all over you." Women will likely continue working to shut down Rush's sponsors and contacting Clear Channel with their 850 radio outlets. And by the way ladies, don't forget your power in the voting booth by opposing the conservative Republican agenda opposing women's rights and vote out the likes of Santorum, Romney, Boehner, and Bob McDonnell.
So as Nancy Sinatra once sang, "Are you ready boots? Start walkin"!
Democrats have shown a remarkable facility for dodging their responsibility in dealing with the budget shortfalls and national debt. They have managed to avoid the taint of Big Money and Corporate America on their party. They can thank Republicans who are so crazy, so far over the top, that Democratic fiscal and social sins pale in comparison.
Republicans have given Democrats, not just a free pass, but a tailor-made issue that will bring a bloc of new voters to their party - very angry women. The "contraception issue" is so empty, so vacuous, and based on such a ridiculous understanding of the law, it would be laughable were it not for the fact that the soldiers of the right-wing are so rabidly sucking up this foolishness.
The Screamperson for the rabid, irrational right-wing, Rush Limbaugh perfectly encapsulates the insanity of his dittoheads. He goes after a female college student who has presented the problems facing, not herself, but another co-ed who has a medical issue treatable with "birth-control" pills. He calls her a name that no one should tolerate. (Cue the hand-wringing. "Where is that liberal tolerance?" I think I speak for a number of us "liberals". You tread on dangerous ground when you call our wives, mothers, and sisters, sluts - THAT is intolerable.)
Limbaugh and a huge number of right-wingers attack Ms. Fluke for promiscuity and call her a slut and a prostitute. They find this vicious slander perfectly acceptable. These are the same people telling us their religious beliefs have been attacked. Here's a religious rule: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." That's the word straight from God.
About that religion thing. Let's take a closer look. A businessman runs a successful business. He is obliged to follow all governing labor law. He doesn't get to pick and choose only those rules he likes. Along comes an organization, which has been created to nurture one's spiritual relationship with a supreme being, and buys the business. How a profit-making enterprise fosters a relationship with a god eludes me, but who am I to question eternal mysteries?
With the stroke of a pen, and the exchange of glorious cash, the new owners, secure in their relationship with their God, the existence of whom cannot be proven, are exempt from labor law. The same God, who forbids lying, the same God who sent his Son to remind us to love thy neighbor and to render unto Caesar, apparently allows denying medical treatment based on sex.
The First Amendment grounds for discrimination based on one's choice of God, is absolutely untenable. This "contraception" issue is about a medical treatment. Period. It has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with labor law, not the Ten Commandments, not books that go back thousands of years. It cannot be based on someone's belief that they have a divine right to discriminate based on their belief in a Creator, the existence of which is based on their faith, and their faith alone. It is their faith, not the faith of their neighbor, not your faith, and most assuredly not my faith. The First Amendment does not protect some sort of right to disobey the law based on faith in a god, gods, or indeed in no god at all.
By the way, in case no one has noticed, the chicken hawks are screaming for another war. The national debt continues to grow. And women are the equals of men.
The "war on women" -- that's how the left is trying to frame the contraceptive debate. In their view, it's reasonable beyond question that women should have access to free stuff because…well, because they're sentient beings and every creature in liberal land is entitled to whatever free stuff our government says they're entitled to. And when those of us with a brain resist that notion, we're accused of waging a war on women.
Actually, the war that's being waged is a war against an intrusive government that would force all of us to pay for the "free" stuff it wants to dispense. If Sandra Fluke, for example, wants to fluke like a rabbit that's her business and I could care less. But when the costs of her recreational activities are shifted to others, well I care a lot about that. So when Fluke and the women she represents say they are entitled to contraceptive coverage, those who oppose that entitlement want the world to know we're mad as hell.
In her testimony before Pelosi's rump committee, Fluke asserted that it costs about $3,000 to pay for contraceptives during a woman's tenure at law school. In Fluke's telling, that cost is a financial and emotional burden for college women, a burden that is appropriately addressed by requiring insurance companies to provide contraceptive coverage at no additional cost to the insured. But that idea is ludicrous on its face: who do you think is picking up that $3,000 tab in order to provide this "free" contraceptive coverage? Everyone who pays premiums to that insurance company, that's who. So where is the equity in forcing the broader society to subsidize this aspect of a woman's private behavior? And why is the need for contraception anyone else's responsibility except the ones who are participants in the conceiving?
In liberal land, concepts such as personal responsibility and cost have no meaning. Instead, government eliminates the burden of individual responsibility by mandating what some of its citizens are entitled to, then removes the burden of cost from those individuals by forcing someone else to pay for those entitlements. That's the real war that's going on here, a war our government is waging to impose its leftist vision on all of us. And this idea of a "war on women" is just a crap sandwich served by the left to demonize those who dare to resist that vision.
To BrianB, Albany Joe, Bill Fairfax, WCA and all the others who thought Limbaugh’s calling Susan Fluke a slut was knee-slapping hilarious: As Fiesty said long ago about one of you, you’re the kind of guys who on a dinner date extend a hand across the table and say: “Pull my finger.” History has long since left you in its dust. Pity the women who must interact with you.
To Romney, who said he would not have used the words Limbaugh used: We already know you’re a coward. But what does it say about a woman who hopes to become First Lady that she didn’t insist you condemn Rush’s characterization of Susan Fluke?
To my friends on this site: Whenever someone on the Right accuses you of being a racist or sexist or homophobic or a Nazi, you have Limbaugh to thank. He is the one who perfected the strategy of turning the Left’s words back on them—i.e., the best defense is an offense. It is a measure of Limbaugh’s cynicism that he knew most of his listeners were not bright enough to understand it was a tactic, and that as a consequence they would come to believe it was the Left who was racist or homophobic, etc., and not themselves.
C’mon FR lefty liberals, step up and do the left thing: Buy a Chevy Volt!!!!!
Barry’s going to buy one once he is no longer President.
The weekend WSJ reported that Government Motors will be shutting down the Volt factory for five weeks in March and April due to slow sales of the electric powered vehicle. And that’s after GM restarted production on February 6 after a prolonged holiday shutdown. 1,300 workers will be put in the unemployment line during the shutdown.
Even with a $7,500 federal bribe, er… um… rebate, GM can’t sell this POS at a list price of $41,000. Of course, the natural market for such a high priced, politically correct, vehicle, wealthy lefty liberals with more money than brains might be the problem. Maybe some of them won’t buy it because they, unlike Barry, know that 90% of electricity production in the US comes from burning coal, burning natural gas or from nuclear reactors. And the Volt really isn’t all that politically correct as it first seemed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feisty, Ron, Louis, David, we know what the ould game is that the GOP old Boys are playing.
Rush Limbo attacked Sandra Fluke for three days in a row, calling her a 'slut' and making a series of unfounded accusations against her - to an audience of millions across the U.S.A.
Do women still have to stand up to disrespectful guys like Limbaugh, Issa and the other four GOP congressionals, Romney, Santorum, Ron Paul, Gingrich & Co. to be able to testify?
These Republican males are accusing women of stepping above their station when they ask for coverage for family planning, spacing children, multiple women's health issues like cysts & endometriosis. GOP responds as if these are special needs.
Ron Paul said women should go it on their own and pay for it themselves. What about all the guys that are getting Viagara and men 'stuff' on their health insurance plans?
The Republicans are all in favor of a free market economy---well, thanks to Rush Limbaugh's 3 day bullying of a private citizen, they are seeing the free market economy in action. Rush has the right to say whatever he wants to but I have the right to spend my hard-earned money with companies whose advertising reflects values I share.
In the non-apology hall of fame, Rush is going to get his own wing for what was posted on his website over the weekend.
Backhouse,
It's not called the good old boys club for nothing ya know!
Hey jack, do me a favor and go back through every one of my comments Friday and re-post the one where I said it was funny.
If you can't then shut the hell up.
You know the GNOP is in a world of hurt when memebers who haven't joined the insane clown posse say things like this;
WCA,
If I'm wrong about you having been among them, I apologize. I should have checked to be sure rather than relying on my memory.
To say I agree, would be an understatement. Can you tell me the names of additional advertisers? The pressure has to continue.
Helen,
Here you go:
Clear Channel Communications (parent company of Premiere Radio Networks, Inc.) 200 Basse Road San Antonio TX 78209 Phone 1-210-822-2828
Lowry Mays, Chairman and Chief Executive OfficerLLowryMays@clearchannel.com
Mark Mays President and Chief Operating OfficerMarkPMays@clearchannel.com
Randall Mays, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer RandallTMays@clearchannel.com
Lisa Dollinger, Senior Vice President, Corporate Communication Public Relations lisacdollinger@clearchannel.compr@clearchannel.com
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LegalZoom.com - confirmed and long-time advertiser 800-773-0888; Fax: 323-962-8300 Site has a Web Form
Citrix Online (GoToMyPC) 6500 Hollister Avenue, Goleta, CA 93117 Phone: 805-690-6400; Fax: 805-690-6471info@citrixonline.com
American Forces Network Contact Us: @MyAFN.net
Mission Pharmacal Company 10999 IH-10 West Suite 1000 P.O. Box 786099 San Antonio, TX 78278-6099 Telephone: (800) 531-3333 Bennett Kennedy - Citracal Product Manager
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Good ol boys Club for Manboys, Rush is not only a client, but the Grand Dragon Wizard as well. Lord Voldemort would be proud.
With all the snakes running around DC, you'd have to wonder why it never truly felt like winter. K Street is the home to all the Wall St Pitt Vipers money can buy.
The United States needs a good Rattle Snake catcher and President Obama has successfully learned the trade.
Whew! I'm a little worn out from my weekend with Sandra Fluke (me and the Baltimore Orioles bullpen), but I'm bright-eyed and bushy tailed this morning!
Hey, Port In Jacksmouth, tell us another knee-slapper like you did Friday. You know, the one where you told us that Feisty Redhead makes "intelligent and thoughtful" posts. LOL. That was a good one. Wait! She has a REALLY good one now: "Sandra Fluke as Rosa Parks!" Bwahahahahahahaha. You can't make this stuff up!
I see the tea people GOP Koch republicans are looking for and cheering for bad news on the economy again this morning. It's sad all you nuts have is to hope America fails. Yes that's you Bill and Joe and all your other hate filled buddies.
Feisty, Steeler, and Healthcare-provided birth control is SO yesterday in other Industrialized nations.
Chairman Issa committed a GIANT injustice last week when he assumed that five men would know better about women's reproductive needs, banning a woman from testifying to their committee. At issue was religious liberty and reproductive freedom. However, by excluding the only female witness requested by the Democrats, the GOP Committee declared they were interested only in exploiting the religious side of the controversy.
The White House came up with a beautiful compromise that allows women to receive contraceptive insurance, while recognizing the concerns of religious affiliated institutions. Via the compromise struck, religious institutions do not pay for, or have any involvement in that process whatsoever, because insurance companies deal directly with women seeking birth control.
.."cockroaches will not come out to the light of day....and neither will Rush Limbaugh"
Limbaugh published the classic non apology on his web site. And, as I predicted on Friday, it was the arrogant "you just don't understand my humor" "I illustrate absurdity by being absurd."
No, Rush, we get you quite well. You are a bully. You spent most of the week castigating a 30 year old student, for what sin? Using her Constitutional First Amendment rights to peacefully bring grievance to the leadership of this country for a hearing and redress.
For that, she was called "slut" "prostitute" and told that her parents would be ashamed of her, by Rush Limbaugh, a known prescription drug abuser, and who cannot keep a marriage together.
He did that on the radio, with stations across this nation. Held a young woman up to public ridicule, misrepresenting what she actually said.
And he thinks he is going to hide behind his website, and tell us how right he was about the issue, and we are just incapable of getting his sophisticated wit.
No, Rush, you are witless.
It is LONG past time for anyone who listens to this buffoon to ask themselves what is so lacking in their own life, that they must worship someone who is this sophomoric, and who is daily coarsening the political dialog.
We saw the excuses from the dittoheads last week. We saw one, WCA, tell us that we had no way to bring Rush to heel, that he was beyond censure.
Still believe that, WCA? Like I said last week, EVERYONE has a boss.
LImbaugh, you owe Ms. Fluke and all women more than that nonsense you posted on your website.
You owe a face to face apology to Ms Fluke, on a program where the host is strong enough to contain your bullying, harassing behavior. Chris Matthews comes to mind.
If you don't do this: you stand not just as bully. You will forever be known for what you are:
COWARD!
Right on Feisty -
I've been contacting The Troll (Limbaugh) Sponsors. I've told each one that I will refuse to do business with them as long as they Sponsor The Troll. Mine and others voices seem to to be working as more and more are dropping him.
On another note,(speaking of Trol's) I see that Cantor endorses Romneykins. Another kiss of death for him. Even Boehner won't vote for him now because he hates the little backstabbing weasel. It just gets funner and funner. LOL.
To Albany Joe and all the others who thought Limbaugh’s calling Susan Fluke a slut was knee-slapping hilarious:
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Jack-off in Ports mouth: Got proof of me ever saying anything like that?
If so, post it. If not, shut your pie-hole.
Moron.
Romney is a chameleon. He isn't trusted by voters - not even those in his own party. At best, he'll fill a name on a line with which people can vote against the other guy. That's it. So unless the economy falls off a cliff, he has little chance. And even if it does, he's not a sure thing. Sad state of affairs for the GOP (especially considering they don't seem to have any alternatives, short of a brokered convention that just picks someone else).
Feisty, Ron, David Walker, Backhouse, Jack Portsmouth--you said it all perfectly so I will simply add, well done.
Rush Limbaugh is the right-wing voice of the GOP. We know that is fact for the simple reason that none of the GOP presidential candidates, none of the GOP legislators dared criticize him. Why they fear such a tiny, little man whose only claim to fame is his golden mic which he uses to spread hate and vitriol is a question the republicans should be asking themselves. Maybe it is time they look more closely at the Voice of their party and wonder how it came to be that such a bigoted bully rules them.
On Friday I posted a parody that highlighted the humor in Rush's videotape remark, but did not comment on his "slut" remark – you can look it up. But libs like you always take liberty with the facts when it supports your narrative, so what else is new.
This Bud's for you, Jack: pull my finger.
Jody, thank you. Yes, we are talking total disrespect from Issa, Limbaugh, Paul and GOP candidates & Associates.
Other industrialized nations, eg. across Europe, have made women's birth control free for DECADES.
Across the border in Canada, this is also true. It is a given. And folks are HAPPY about it.
Insurance companies in the United States make $Billions off our premiums - and most of it stays in their pockets.
And WOMEN HAVE BABIES. Is it not so? Don't women get any help with that?
Mothers need to space their children and plan their families so that their own health remains strong. Strong enough to take care of their families. Isn't that taking responsibility?
The Bully boys keep talking about responsibility, but when will THEY act responsibly?
Birth control can help with cysts and all kinds of illnesses as well. It is a win-win.
Guys' viagara and men requirements of all sorts are covered, but we are not hearing about those things in the media. Wonder why not.
And you are ready to condemn Limbaugh for slandering this young woman as well as all other women, right Billy?
Yeah Fairfux - that was a real knee slapper!
Do you have any funny 'rape' jokes/parodies you can share while you're at it?
Here, I'll give you guys something to spew at. Limbaugh obviously shouldn't have said what he said... but, when you strip out all the emotions, he did make a point. Thousands a year for contraception? Sorry, but I'm not willing to see my insurance payments go up so all these college women can use prescription contraceptives. Go buy some condoms. What is it with women? The more expensive solution always has to be the one chosen? No wonder clothes makers bilk you guys so much.
It is government subsidization of the new entitlement - sex. And since it's an entitlement now, it opens all sorts of questions about fairness. What about the women who can't get their fill of sex? Are they supposed to pay into this entitlement system, too? Not fair. I see lawsuits coming. Ugly women of the world arise! This tyranny of the beautiful has to end!
Albany Joe: The first part is you quoting Fiesty; the second is your remark. You then went on to your usual HA!HA!HA!. I interpret your response as agreeing with Limbaugh's remarks.
Bill Fairfax: Sorry, I don't buy your denial. You may not have literally referred to Limbaugh's comment, but it is definitely implied:
Here is one of BrianB's many remarks on the subject:
None of you get it. If you did, you would have condemned Limbaugh for denigrating Susan Fluke for three days and attributing motives to her she never had to begin with. It was never, in any sense of the word, hilarious. His behavior was disgusting, and you should have disavowed it. Instead, you explicitly, or implicitly, defended it.
Something remarkable is taking place in our society. There is a force in the free markets, long absent, exerting its power. It’s a mighty force otherwise known as “We the People”. For too long we were known as mere consumers. We were content to do our duty under that label which entails purchasing, consuming and accepting. No longer is that the box in which we want to live. We want more. Much more. We want to be heard and counted. We will no longer stand idle when harm is done. And we are no longer content with the damaged goods some are peddling. Thankfully we have found our voice once again.
OH NO! Rush Limbaugh "held a young woman up to public ridicule!!!"" It sure is a good thing that nobody has EVER DONE THAT TO BRISTOL PALIN!
Do you whiny, touchy-feely, politically correct morons ever get tired of being such HYPOCRITES?
GOP has completely sold out to the 1%... such a shame...
LoL First Read. A train wreck leaves "damaged goods." Who knew?
And your point, Joe? If this is true, the only way he's been able to accomplish it is to shift himself enough to the left to satisfy his customers.
So, you're left with two choices -- either the guy's a liberal, or -- more likely -- he's just a liar.
Either way, you own him.
Can you please explain for poor little ignorant me ... S L O W L Y, please ... EXACTLY what's funny about calling someone a "slut." Same question for Brianb.
The Republican brand of humor -- liberally laced with hateful misogyny -- always seems to escape me. Maybe one of you could illuminate. I see that Jack and others have asked you politely, and all you respond with is condescension and derision.
So, how about it? What's funny here?
Sigh. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Maybe I'll just put two aspirin between my knees and lie down for a while.
And that was wrong, too, as I said at the time, much to the chagrin of some of my liberal counterparts.
And it was also wrong when Bill Maher called her mother a c*** or something similar.
So what's your point, smart apple? Two wrongs make a right?
Oh, no, they don't.
Only in your twisted mind Jack, only in your twisted mind. The videotape comment was absurd -- and it was funny BECAUSE it was absurd. Get a life Jack, and stop misrepresenting my posts.
Since Feisty Dumbfux is the one most riled up with fake outrage over the Limbaugh story, maybe we should go back over the last few months and paste some of the attacks she made on "no joe", who is a woman. In fact, let's gather some quotes she made regarding Sarah Palin, Bristol Palin, Cindy McCain etc... Should be prety educational and very telling. I would do it but I have a job and a real life and don't spend every moment I'm awake on this site or calling up Limbaugh's advertisers.
Bill, Fairfax.........it appears that conservative men and maybe some liberal men, but for discussion purposes here, conservatives have the wrong impression of what's the purpose of birth control. It is not like your little blue pills, also a prescription, whereby it is taken to help you perform. Birth control is taken once a day for the number of days in a menstrual cycle, it is NOT taken every time a woman has sex. It is taken by women for many other medical reasons that should remain between her and her doctor. Taxpayers do not pay for birth control.
As you and others go off on your rants, creating straw men, women have every right to make decisions, just as you fellows do too. Now Bill if you want to put your medical services up for discussion or debate what you can have and what the women will protest your having, have at it. But neither you and the rest of the neaderthals up on your moral high horses beating your chests as to what the women can or cant have..just because you say so you'd best forget that tac it is not going to happen.
So go vote for coward Romney, listen to vile mouthed Limbaugh and cheer on the rest of the misogynistic politicians including your probing Governor McDonnell because most of the women in this country will show y'all the door literally and figuratively. And that's no joke...take it to the bank.
Bill, Fairfax. If I, too, have misinterpreted your post, I apologize.
But please tell me you don't think Rush's calling Ms. Fluke a slut was funny.
I'd like to hear you say that straightforwardly.
Rush lost his big sponsors, so it is time to move up the chain. The company keeping Rush Limbaugh on the air is Bain Capital via Clear Channel Communications. Time to get a list of the businesses owned by Bain Capital and to start boycotting them.
One that I know of right off the top of my head is Outback Steakhouse. I know that because of the Up with Chris Hayes episode this past weekend. Outback is pushing a bill in Florida that will lower the minimum wage for waiters from $4.65 to $2.13 per hour. This will lower the weekly take home pay for a waiter by $80 per week or approximately $320 per month. The average waiter in Florida makes approximately $18,000 per year, but Bain Capital thinks that is too much. Just another reason to boycott them.
Albany Joe: The first part is you quoting Fiesty; the second is your remark. You then went on to your usual HA!HA!HA!. I interpret your response as agreeing with Limbaugh's remarks.
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Not even close Jack.
I was only pointing out the hypocrisy of the lefty liberal outrage at Limbaugh's comment in comparison to the Nasty Redhead calling people "whores" and YOU calling her posts "thoughtful, intelligent and compassionate".
Nothing in my post indicates that I agree in any way with what Limbaugh said.
Wanna try again??
Paul/Woodbridge- You easily made the most sensible and BEST post of the day. Unfortunately, the lefties here will now consider you a "Nazi" for being against a beloved entitlement. Even if it IS a SEX ENTITLEMENT".
Once again, facts and info from the GOP's detractors, name-calling bullying from the GOP supporters. The GOP is apparently too tone-deaf to realize their optics are, "We are the party of white, of might, of right, get out of our way or get taken out with slanderous lies and disgusting manipulations!"
The Twilight Zone was on last night. It was very interesting. A young Dennis Hopper as a Neo-Nazi in the 60's dogged to death by Hitler's ghost...Hopper's speeches sounded exactly like Santorums. He managed to get some folks to listen but eventually died from his own stupidity and ego.....
It will always be the case that you cannot get a whole country to long endure a plan that is designed by a self-centered egomaniac for his own benefit. It will either be destroyed from within or without as Germany was.
And that is the case with the dying Republican Party, as long as it holds fast to its ridiculous policies and manipulations it is doomed. Luckily for the thinking Americans, they appear to be too stupid to get it, so it won't be long. Look for a new party to emerge on-line by November. Hope they pick a better name and offer real solutions and candidates for the House. They don't have time to produce a better offering than the President, but we could get some decent representatives. They'll have to work harder to convince America regarding their merits.
Paul M. You speak the same kind of misinformation that Limbaugh spewed. Insurance companies are already required to provide contraceptive coverage and have been since the 1990's. The only change was eliminating the co-pay which is usually a nominal fee. Your premiums will not increase because of contraceptive coverage without co-pay--if it does, the insurance companies are ripping off employers and consumers. It's a whole lot cheaper for insurance companies to cover prevention of pregnancy as well as prevention of various ailments such as the cysts which birth control treats that Fluke testified about than it is to pay for a pregnancy or the surgery required to remove cysts. Whether it is contraception or prevention of strokes and diabetes with annual wellness checks without co-pay, in the end it saves insurance providers money, lots of money. It is cheaper to cover wellness prevention than to cover the treatment of illnesses that could have been prevented.
Anna Molly: Good to see you back. Walker's days are numbered, then we should have a toast to his departure.
Wow. Funny how many are back peddling away from their views and support of Rush they espoused on Friday. In my book anyone defending Rush needs their head examined. No excuse for his actions. He doubled down as well, at first. The tide has turned and the joke is on him and anyone who thought his comments were hilarious.
Good job Feisty, and thanks for the list of other sponsors. I am saddened by the news and even more saddened by growing disconnect between the right and the left in this country. National tragedies such as ours do not happen overnight. They happen in slow motion, almost undetectable to the human mind. They happen so slowly that most of us don't notice what's happening until it's too late. I fear that's what we are witnessing now, in America.
I had dinner with my brother and his wife on Saturday evening. He has just gotten out of the hospital, his third hospitalization in five months and I stopped by while I was in Tulsa so see how they are doing. The news came on while we were eating and the election coverage was front and center. I was shocked by the vehemence of my sister-in-law's hatred and distrust of the President. My brother was also very strongly negative towards President Obama. They had all the Fox/Limbaugh/Beck/Coulter talking points down pat. "He's a socialist", "He's ruining this country", "Anybody but Obama." You could'nt discuss it with them, they were convinced, they had been programmed, brain-washed by the broadcast media.
These are two good, hard-working people. They don't live and breathe politics. From a political standpoint they are low-information voters and rely on the broadcast media to shape their opinions. They watch Fox News, I don't know if they listen to Limbaugh or any of the others. They buy everything that Fox is selling in their so-called "fair and balanced" news programming.
It is tragic. They are not alone. We see the results of that "fair and balanced" reporting on this blog and others every day of the year. But do you really understand what we are seeing?
What we are seeing is the culmination of a 25 year experiment in mind control. The broadcast media is the most frighteningly powerful tool in the propagandist's tool kit. Ever since Reagan set aside the Fairness Doctrine and cleared the way for Fox and Limbaugh we have seen the GOP and their legions of low-information voters marching steadily to the right every year.
For more than a quarter of a century they have been spoon-feeding GOP propaganda to the gullible by wrapping it in the red, white and blue.
We've got to do something to silence these propaganda machines. A simple re-institution of the Fairness Doctrine would go a long way to curing this nation's ills. But I have been told repeatedly that won't happen.
And let's be clear what the Fairness Doctrine did. I merely provided for "equal time" for responsible individuals to rebutt commentaries and editorials broadcast on the public's airwaves. Imagine how long Rush Limbaugh would last if the stations that broadcast his swill had to give an equal amount of airtime EACH DAY to responsible parties to refute the misinformation and lies he broadcasts. But we don't have the Fairness Doctrine anymore and his lies go unchallenged and the low-information ditto-heads lap it up as fast as he can feed it to them. They don't even realize what is happening.
Things are only going to get worse.
Boycott Limbaugh's sponsors, let them know by phone, by email how disgusting his comments are and how dangerous the misinformation he spews every day is to our nation.
Do the same to Fox news. It's a big job, but it's an equally big problem.
Please take my comments to heart and realize the magnitude of the tragedy that is happening right before our very eyes. America is dying of cancer and that cancer is the unfettered use of the public airwaves for propaganda purposes. You're beginning to see the results now, but kids, you ain't seen nothing yet, if we do start doing something to reverse this trend.
Trying to claim this is ridiculously about "religious liberty" instead of a full-out assault on women's contraceptives they pay for with their OWN INSURANCE, and personal, viscious attacks on a young woman supporting women's contraceptives in a bumbling attempt to shut her up and shut her down? Not working guys...get a clue. Keep it up...and lets see if the gender gap...already 14 points in Obama's favor, can get any wider. Funny? Let's see who's laughing now at these personal and gender attacks masquerading as "jokes".
@ Greg in New York -- I do so love how this gives Romney the "clear channel" choice to side with women or side with Rush's homophobic and misogynistic base -- i.e., side with the money.
But, let's face it. The guy's a weasel. It's not that hard to see how this comes out. It will be more interesting to see how he tries to sell it.
Pity, I never went to Outback in my life, so boycotting Outback now would be a little hollow. But what they're doing in Florida is nothing new than they have done before when they have raided employees' pension funds and slashed jobs in order to increase their own bottom line.
Does Bain still own Staples? At least I can buy my staples somewhere else from now on. By the way, Staples would never have gotten off the ground without government handouts, obtained by lobbyists.
Ironically, Clear Channel hosts the progressive radio station in this community, thus milking both sides of the cow, but only after community outrage forced them to put it back on the air and drop high school volleyball games -- sacrificing a sure-fire radio ratings bonanza to do the right thing. LoL
I suppose I should be grateful to Clear Channel for that, but curiously ... I'm not.
Hello, Ron, and thanks for the welcome. Rest assured that, on the day after Walker is recalled, I'll buy the first round. Corks will pop and champagne will flow.
Anna -- Once again you nailed it. Where is the repudiation of Rush's trash talk from these conservatives here? C'mon Bill, WCA, Brianb what say you?
I agree, Anna Molly. It's great to see you back here. And since you've been away so long, I just want to clarify that Ron was talking about Scott, not David. ;-)
Bill Fairfax: Let me be honest. You're one of the few Right Wing posters here who seems to have a brain. But you're splitting hairs, and I'm losing the little bit of respect I have for you. You ought to at least have the courage of your convictions.
Greg, NY. I saw UP. Hard to imagine that cutting the minimum wage in half will have anything but a devastating impact on Florida's economy. It might make Bain Capital and Outback Steakhouse more profit but it means less available money for those workers to put into the economy. These republicans and big businesses have such short-sighted goals for profit today without the ability to look at the long-range impact. For 30 years this is exactly what has happened to wages in this country and why the economy is taking much longer to rebound than we would like.
A little note here, to really hurt Mr. Limbaugh's radio program, find out who your local Clear Channel stations are and who the local sponsors are. Since this is a syndicated program - by letting your local station and local sponsors know you do not approve of Mr. Limbaugh's words and actions, you will really be getting to the heart of the matter! (BTW, Bain is a big player with Clear Channel)
Oh, and to those who use the Ed Schultz/Laura Ingram justification - he was suspended for a while. Just thought you might like to know that.
Fiesty said:
How pathetically sad that you would actually equate Rosa Parks to a woman who chose to go to a college she knew wouldn't cover birth control, and now, like most progressive liberals, she expects someone else to pay for all her screwing (literally) around!
Shame on you for demeaning Rosa Parks to the level of Fluke, who is nothing more than a user!
To all of you who are lambasting the PUBS for their stance in regards to womens' reproductive rights (and let me just say, I'm a middle of the roader who voted for OBAMA because he promised to PROTECT Roe v Wade)
I just want to point out that Obama SIGNED an Executive Order (which BTW--he refused to do to eliminate 'don't ask, don't tell') that makes it to where ANY insurance company that sells policies covered under Obama care CANNOT provide women with even a referral to an abortion clinic, nor can they cover such services EVEN if the woman PAYS extra for it herself.
And the PARTY he had to sign that for? Was the DEMS. He had enough NON republican votes to pass the health care bill WITHOUT ONE SINGLE REPUB vote, but his own party members forced that addition.
The fact that the CATHOLIC CHURCH is JUST as dogged on this, and that a huge majority of NEW Catholic voters is Hispanic, Votes DEM and conservative on reproductive rights, makes it to where a woman can't depend on EITHER party.
Yea, because birth control pills aren't used to treat anything else whatsoever. Nope, nothing.
OK, I didn't think it was funny. In fact, I was surprised Rush went that far to make his point -- a legitimate point that has gotten lost in the hoopla over a questionable choice of words.
By contrast, I think the videotape comment was hilarious because of the reason I mentioned above. Thanks for asking, AM.
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I don't watch Hannity much so can't comment on his position on this issue. But I do watch O'Reilly frequently and have never heard him explicitly express support for Rush's remarks. What O'Reilly has done is address the cost shifting aspect of the issue, similar to what I did in my post today.
We all know Ron has a habit of taking liberties with the facts and making sweeping, unsupported assertions. So on this point, if you can prove O'Reilly "outright supported Limbaugh" I will stand corrected. Otherwise, STFU.
Got it. Thank you for the clarification. ;-)
Champagne will still be in order.
Sorry about your family members, Skip. I'm sure they are good people in some ways. Hopefully a loving relative might help them uncover the true source of thier hatred and anger, be it an event, a false belief, a sense of personal loss or whatever. Anger and hatred are not our natural or best state. They are certainly not spiritual states. But the heart has it's reasons, such vitriol is often an indicator of severe damage to it.
Once again you nailed it. Where is the repudiation of Rush's trash talk from these conservatives here? C'mon Bill, WCA, Brianb what say you?
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Um...... The same place as the FR lefty liberals repudiation of Bill Mahar calling Sarah Palin a "c***" last year??
All of you Libtards really are funny! Seriously, do you really care what Rush says?
At this point, I'm surprised Fluke hasn't crawled into a hole. She should be embarrassed. I'm sure her parents are proud of her.
Not really.
Being insulted by Rush "Brainiac" Limbaugh would only encourage me more.
I mean look at yourself. You have nothing else but name calling. If you're so educated in the matter I'm sure you could find an argument based in logic.
God forbid she should expect health insurance to pay for a prescription drug. Whatever are we coming to as a nation, anyway?
And by the way, who exactly do you suppose pays for Rush's wife's birth control? So what does that make her?
Or how about all those "ladies" he used to visit in the islands when he kept getting caught at the airport with boatloads of viagra? Who do you suppose paid for theirs? We already know what that makes them.
If there's a point in your little rant somewhere, I'll be darned if I can find it. Are you "hopeful" that this will turn into a nation of little Rush Limbaughs?
Now THERE's something to be hopeful about.
Thank you. Somehow, I knew you would come through.
Pity that I didn't see the video. If it was about Rush, by definition, it must have been a hoot.
As I said to Damage123, that was wrong, too, and I condemned it at the time. So then, are you with ME in condemning Limbaugh for his comments?
Or not?
The choice is pretty simple, Joe. I see Bill has already done the right thing. Your turn now.
I see the FR lefty liberals collapsers are in a foul mood today.
A BIG THANKS to you for letting me know I made my points in my first two posts today!!!!!
Feisty and others: I read this morning that the radio station Limbaugh works for is Clear Channel Communications... GUESS WHO OWNES IT... Bain Capital... Looks like Romney agrees with Limbaugh because they are keeping him on the air regardless. Again... who do the Republicans in Washington really work for?
Well Joe in Albany -- Being as I don't follow Mahar nor support trash talk that would not apply to me. For the record if he did use that language then I repudiate him for doing so. His followers have a responsibility to speak up when he crosses the line just as Rush's followers do. That's my take on things.
Have a wonderful day Joe.
Skip, we saw the same thing here when my sister and brother-in-law came to visit at Christmas time. They too drink the Fox Kool-aid in heartbreaking quantities. Taxes are stealing, Obama is a Muslim, he's a socialist, he's going to implement Sharia law, etc. The entire pitcher full of hate and nonsense. None of it real, none of it true, but they sure have bit hook line and sinker. It more or less ruined our holidays to even have to talk with them. What we found though, is that as much of their misinformation came from their church leaders as it did from Faux. Many many southern pastors preach this hate every Sunday from their pulpits and people are drinking it up. I'm more afraid of so called American Christians as I am of any muslim. They are a direct product of our failed educational system. Easy to lie to, no idea how to check on facts or research what they are being told, and a deeply held belief that the only ones who would lie to them are "libruls". Scary times coming folks! There are lots of people out there indoctrinated this way. Imperative that we get everyone out to vote this time and we worry as much about state level offices as we do the presidency.
I just want to know if we are responsible for Birth control pills and Condoms. Because if women are planning on Sleeping around, the pill will not keep STD's away. So for the other medical reasons to take the "pill" Im in agreement with. But what about the condoms?
And your point, Joe? If this is true, the only way he's been able to accomplish it is to shift himself enough to the left to satisfy his customers.
So, you're left with two choices -- either the guy's a liberal, or -- more likely -- he's just a liar.
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AM: Good to see you.
Actually, Scott Brown is a moderate Republican serving a left leaning constituency. I would have thought you would support having more moderates (right and left) in Congress.
BTW, your comment below that Champagne would "still" be in order is Hillaryous!!!!!!
Got it. Thank you for the clarification. ;-)
Champagne will still be in order.
Yes, the GOP is toast thanks to the likes of george bush and the tea party. The only support they have left is from misinformed, brainwashed, right wing media sponges.
As I said to Damage123, that was wrong, too, and I condemned it at the time.
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AM: YOU are the rare exception to the usual BS from the FR lefty liberals.
So then, are you with ME in condemning Limbaugh for his comments?
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Yes, I am.
LoL -- Me? Moderates? No, thanks, not into it, even if there was such a thing anymore as a moderate to the right, and even if they do look good in their birthday suits. Give me true liberals, or give me ... (oh, never mind).
Anyway, Brown is a chameleon.
And good for you. Thank you.
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And a big thank you and shout out to ALL of the men who are standing shoulder-to-shoulder with us women on this Rush Limbaugh tragedy. I can't speak for everyone else here, but I know I am truly grateful.
It may have taken this to finally wake us all up, but if it did, then in the end I hope that Ms. Fluke sees that it will have been worth it.
Backhouse, can you provide me the state or federal mandate requiring medical insurance coverage for Viagra? My employer does not cover Viagra but does cover nonmedically required contraception by state mandate so not sure where you like to embellish your facts from? Insurance companies are making Billions at a 7% profit margin for administering the health insurance, they are not picking up the actual health care expenses. We and our employers are picking that up so sorry, free mandated contraception coverage for lifestyle drugs, is paid for my employers and employees. Nice spin though
Amused - yes it is scary, and yes they are indoctrinated. The Nazi propaganda machine is a thoroughly researched and documented subject, and you would think the American pubic would be above it, however, we have seen those same tactics used by GOP/TP via the Koch Bros and A.L.E.C. wordsmiths, and used successfully. Limbaugh, Fox News, and the Pulpit are the assembly lines. We have the Albanian, Fairfauxian, NJBJ, WCA, UAW, and Smiffs and a host of others repeating the propaganda verbatim. Fortunately, we have this forum to throw wrenches into the gears of the machine.
The average cost for the birth control pill at the local supermarket pharmacy is $10/month without insurance. That's about $130 per year. Why is Fluke spending $3000/year for birth control? Even condoms are less than $10 for a 12 pack - $10 x 52 weeks = $520. Add them together and you have $650. To reach $3000 per year you would need to buy more than 3444 condoms in addition to the $130 for birth control pills. That would also mean that you would be having sex at least 3444 times per year or 9-10 times per day every day. I would think that wouldn't leave much time for any college school work to get done at all.
Anna -- The "video" Bill is referencing is Rush's request that Ms. Fluke post a video of her having sex. The remark is part of Rush's trash talk that included the lie that she was asking for free birth control and therefore expected people to "pay for her having sex" and in doing so would therefore be a prostitute in Rush's mind. It was in no way funny IMO.
Unless I'm mistaken about Bill's reference to video then Bill does not get a pass in my book. It's not funny at all. Rush's rant was based on lies and covered in filth.
Is that the video joke you are referring to Bill?
Joe in Albany -- Nice to hear.
Where is your common sense now? Miss Fluke has no reason to be embarrassed, but you sure do.
Women do not deserve or want to be second class citizens and to be degraded just for speaking up for her rights.
All men should be concerned about what Limpy said as he just started a sh!t storm. Limpy wasn't making a joke he was degrading all women so they could be denied basic health care by uninformed hateful people like you.
That's just the GOTP thinking. The good old bootstraps theory. They just can't help themselves. They don't realize that when you're duck hunting you point your shotgun up not down. These clowns just keep shooting holes in their own boat.
Obama/Biden 2012 "For Our Nation's Sanity ".
commonsense (you REALLY need to change your moniker dude)
Yes, I care VERY much what Limbaugh says because he lies, misinforms and low information voters like yourself believe him. He shapes your opinions in subtle and not-so-subtle ways and you are completely unaware of it.
This is propaganda and mind control.
Why do you think Romney will be the GOP nominee? Is it because the GOP loves him best? NO. It's because he has the money to BUY negative ads to demonize his opponents. What does that do? Well, it doesn't increase his popularity, that's for sure. Just look at his weak, squeeker "wins". No, it causes the victims supporters to stay home. He wins, not by his popularity or qualifications but by making the other guy LOSE and he' doing that with broadcast media.
If you see it on TV it has a TREMENDOUS effect on even the well-informed. It's a pipeline to your brain. It's like a mainline transfusion of information directly into your sub-conscience. Radio has a lesser, but just as direct effect.
You combine that with a low-information listener who is not capable of critical thinking and the result is a person who believes everything they hear and see.
That is frightening and very dangerous.
Yes, I care very much, what Rush Limbaugh says and you should as well.
Dan H -- maybe Ms. Fluke has some special medical needs that you're not considering in your calculations. By the way, could you please provide a citation for that number on "supermarket pharmacy" contraception costs?
I'd be interested to see that, but actually, even if you're right, it's all the more reason why insurance should be more than happy to cover it, and except for interference by phony-baloney right-wing politicians trying to drive a wedge, by and large, they are.
Here's why. As you can see, the estimated cost of contraceptives in this article is considerably higher -- approximately double yours. And it's still considered a bargain to insurance companies, when one considers the alternative costs, for just one unwanted pregnancy.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/1/gr060112.html
So, if costs are really your deal, then you're flat-out wrong. If not, then don't cite costs to mask your true agenda.
How Ms. Fluke gets her law school homework done is really none of your business, is it? Or were you hoping for videos, too?
And does that make you one of those big-government conservatives we've started to see out here so often these days?
By golly, I think it does.
I got the impression from Bill's post that it wasn't the same video, but rather some parody video, that he was talking about. But he'd have to speak for himself on that. He did tell me that he doesn't think what Limbaugh said was funny, so that far I'm satisfied.
If I'm wrong, then so is he. And right back to where we started.
Santorum= U.S. Theocracy
Blingrich = NO credibility
Romney = hated by TeaBags
FUTURE = BIG WINS FOR DEMS!!!!!!
Santorum is a NUT, plain and simple. SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE, dingbat - it's one of the BASIC principles..... sheesh!!!
16.7 million fewer 18-66 year old Americans are working in 2012 than in 2008. The percentage of non-working Americans in the 18-66 year old group was 33.5% in 2008, has increased to 36.8% in 2012. The total number of 18-66 year olds not working in 2012 is 84.23 million.
16.6 million (8.3%) of unemployed 18-66 year old Americans are seeking work.
There will be 4.3 million 18 year olds graduating from High School in 2012. There will be 2.65 million new 67 year olds in 2012. The net increase in working age individuals is 1.65 million in 2012.
What is the plan of the President, and of the Congress, as to where to put all of these people?
Anna Molly:
Boy, talk about ranting - you've got it down!
Rush is self insured - so they pay for their birth control, which is how it should be!
Also, I see you are reaching - but it is pretty unusual for a 20-something to have a medical condition that necessitates taking birth control pills.
And a nation of little Limbaugh's would be better than a nation of useless progressive liberals expecting others to pay for their screwing around. We need to stop the takers and users because us givers are sick and tired of giving!
Seems to me that the American People have wised up.
We see the "Ryan Plan" which robs American Senior Citizens of both Social Security and Medicare, we see Republicans constant call for the repeal of quality health care for all Americans, we see Grover Nordquist waiting on the side lines for someone to come in and sign everything HE wants which is all contrary to what the American People need, and we see (and hear) Republicans tell us that, whether we like it or not, Republicans are going to stick the American Workers with the full cost of that Lie Called the War in Iraq while Republicans give the Rich a full, clear, and complete pass, while American Workers' wages remain to be stagnant.
There is NO logical reason for any ordinary American Citizen to vote for any Republican, and the ones who would are suckers for punishment.
Obama / Biden 2012
Anna Molly said:
When you expect taxpayers (i.e., the government) to pay your way, then they have every right to know about what you do. You owe them and they own you! When you want government wiping your butt, you need to remember that they are providing the toilet paper.
The old saying is true in this case "A snowball in hell has a better chance then these clowns'.
All know damm well no republican running to be president will win against Obama this year (try 2016)...they can't even get their own party votes.
OBAMA 2012
Hopeful -- You are very misinformed on the facts concerning women's health issues. Come back when you educate yourself and are ready to intelligently converse on the subject.
Skip -- Your post to "commonsense" is spot on. Thanks for posting.
The headline read: "Is the GOP damaged goods?"
The answer will always be "Yes" as long as the Media has it's strings pulled by the Left. So, no news here.
American Girl said:
It's your pathetic excuse of a President that has cut $500 BILLION from Medicare. Yeah, that's good for Grannie isn't it?!?
And if you are hoping for quality health care under the Socialist in Chief, you better find out just how long you have to wait for a doctor's appointment in England - or anywhere else people sit around waiting for the government to give them something!
You, and those like you on the progressive left are not "Americans". You are takers and users! And we will begin to fix that come November when the experiment is over - finally!!
Dont carry it all said:
No I'm not. She wants someone else to pay for her screwing around. Period. And she knew in advance it wasn't covered. She's just a who** for the progressive left!
More than 100 hours have passed since Limbaugh sparked this avalanche of lies, and they seem to be multiplying. What follows are facts.
Ms. Fluke NEVER referred to her own, or anyone else's sex life. She was speaking of the cost of MEDICATION to control a serious medical condition.
She NEVER used a $3,000 annual medical cost figure. She spoke of a cost of $100.00 per month. Based on posts here, most men and many women have no clue that figure is quite accurate. Not all "birth control" pills are generic. Indeed, some are still covered by patent and have uses that range far beyond contraception. Yes, there are less expensive birth control pills, but the issue to which Ms. Fluke referred was of a wholly separate medical issue.
Health insurance is about health, not religion. In the workplace, employers are forbidden to discriminate based on race, creed, color, oh yeah, AND sex, among others. The issue of health belongs in the world of medical professionals, not in the office of an employer.
Here is the most incredible fact of all. There are actually people who continue to defend Limbaugh.
RUSH LIMBAUGH’s “TOO LATE TO APOLOGIZE”
I'm still not off the dope
Got me ten feet off the ground
And you’re hearing what I say
About a college whore I found
You tell me that you’re with me
Then I go and cut her down
But wait...
I tell you that I’m sorry
Didn't think I'd turn around and realize..
That it's too late to apologize, it's too late
Rush said it's too late to apologize, it's too late
Rush'd take another chance, tell a lie, take a shot at you
But Rush needs sponsors, can’t take the heat
(But that's nothing new)
Yeah yeah
The swing states were all red, now they’re turning blue
And you say
Sorry like mean it, but no one believes in you,
Rush is afraid
It's too late to apologize, it's too late
I said it's too late to apologize, it's too late
Woahooo woah
It's too late to apologize, it's too late
I said it's too late to apologize, it's too late
I said it's too late to apologize, yeah yeah
I said it's too late to apologize, a yeah
I'll go take more dope
Got me ten feet off the ground...
Nasty Redhead
Now that we have established that the most important aspect to women is the health of their vagina I just want to wish your vagina good health. And I feel that I must give a great big thank you to President Obama for bringing to everyones attention that we all need to share in the cost of keeping those vagina's from doing their natural intended job. Heaven forbid, we tax payers must make sure that we don't allow those things to have babies.
I have been wondering one thing, if a woman needs heart medication should we make that free too? Afterall my mother always said I should look at woman as an entire package and not just sex organs.
Stand back - this will collapse - I don't want anyone to get hurt
I find it telling, and frightening, that so many of the conservative views on the is thread are using the Limbaugh version of events as the truth. That Fluke is having non-stop sex, that Fluke demands that the government pay for her sex, that her parents should be ashamed.
Go back and read the facts all of you. Fluke was talking not about herself, but about a friend. Fluke was talking not about rampant sex, but about using a contraceptive prescription for other health problems. She is not talking about insurance paying for that prescription as much as she is talking about simply having it made available.
It is, unfortunately, so typical of conservatives that they race off with innuendo and interpretation. They use untruths to justify an already questionable position. That they confuse humor and insult.
And these same conservatives want others to agree with them and take them seriously.
Hopeful American - you should turn in your medical degree. It is NOT unusual for 20-somethings to have a medical condition that requires a prescription for birth control pills. At 18 I was put on the pill - after two trips to the emergency room. I was on the pill for years until we took other actions to correct my problem. It is more common than most people - unless they had a similar condition - would know about. The stupidity of assuming you know how "rare" this condition is, is only overshadowed by your eagerness to show that stupidity!
I would like to take a moment and thank Rush and the Republicans.
You see, over the last year I have been in a constant debate with two very close friends (a couple) who are die-hard Republicans. I listened to them parrot the typical Fox News talking points, and I would counter with the numerous examples of right-wing extremism, their blatant focus on theocracy, and their attempt to erode our freedoms.
Then last week hit... including the birth control debate, and the comment from Rush. Well, my female friend just happens to be struggling in a very painful fight against ovarian cysts... and you can imaging their reaction. Needless to say, the Republicans just lost two additional voters because of their anti-birth control and anti-woman stance. Watching how angry and upset my friends became towards the GOP was magical.
So thank you, Rush and Republicans. In one short week, you did what I could not do in a year of discussions and arguments. Keep up the good work.
I agree with Skip and Amused in the Midwest. The alarming number of people who just blindly believe what they are told by their best friends, neighbors, religious leaders and FOX scares the heck out of me. But it is not surprising. Humans tend to be easily blinded by fear and their own narrow, self-serving interests. I actually read a book written by a PhD Psychology student on "Stupidity". The student felt that his profession spent too much time on mental-health issues that affected small portions of the human population and not enough on those issues that affected all of us. Quite the eye-opener.
I agree with Skip and Amused in the Midwest. The alarming number of people who just blindly believe what they are told by their best friends, neighbors, religious leaders and FOX scares the heck out of me. But it is not surprising. Humans tend to be easily blinded by fear and their own narrow, self-serving interests. I actually read a book written by a PhD Psychology student on "Stupidity". The student felt that his profession spent too much time on mental-health issues that affected small portions of the human population and not enough on those issues that affected all of us. Quite the eye-opener.
Jack, I'm waiting to hear Romney try to flip-flop his way out of this one with American women voters. There are approximately 115,000,000 women of voting age in this country, and they could wipe the floor with Nit if they got fed up enough.
Limbaugh has played right into the hands of the Democrats. And he thinks he's so smart.
Feisty -- You said:
Concerning that halfhearted apology.....I think a tweet over the weekend said it best, and I'm paraphrasing it "...An apology would be... I was wrong, I'm sorry and I won't do it again..." Plenty missing in Rush's apology.
An apology is only as good as the person who is apologizing, IMO.
The NYT remains unconvinced on that point. In an editorial that otherwise drips with praise for Obama's contaception policy the Gray Lady intones thusly: "The White House promise that free birth control pays for itself will still have to be tested." To which I would add, if this is such a no-brainer from a cost perspective, than why aren't ALL of the evil, profit maximizing health insurance companies already doing it? I mean, wouldn't any economically rational insurance company be thrilled to offer "free" contraceptives to their female customers if it saved them money in the long run?Just asking.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/opinion/the-freedom-to-choose-birth-control.html
BREAKING NEWS! AOL just became the 8th advertiser to drop Rush's program!
Keep 'em coming!
Kaybeetoys--I still think Romney's wife did the women of this country a great disservice by not setting her husband straight.
Who said she did? Sandra Fluke testified that "contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school" which is how I characterized her remark in my post. You're the one who's twisting that number into an "annual" cost.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf
@Hopeless American
It is called insurance and is not payed by taxpayers. That being said, us taxpayers should have paid closer attention to your education and insisted on 'F's to keep you in school until you got it right.
You do realize the 500b cut from Medicare is to the caregivers, not to the beneficiaries? Of course we could always go with the republican plan to cut 500b from Medicare, that would be a cut in services to beneficiaries. How would that be good for grannie?
Now, get your face out of the Fox TV station and go work on that edgeukashun. As they say, a mind is a beautiful thing to waste.
Why the hell would any Republican pay one bit of attention to a poll conducted by NBC, which is actively, and shamelessly, campaigning for Obama? If you want to see some totally different poll results, try Gallup, Rasmussen, or Brookings.
Hopeful American
So you are complaining that her insurance plan, which includes HER payments and the payments from others, should not cover birth control... because even though SHE PAYS, other people also pay, and you don't agree with that.
Ok, how much do you weigh? You see, I don't believe in the lifestyle choice of obesity, so I don't want to pay for any of YOUR medical conditions because of weight gain.
Do you have kids? Well I don't want you to have kids, so I don't want to pay for the medical expenses of YOU "screwing around" and procreating.
So if YOU are against "paying", indirectly through an insurance policy for someone else, please reimburse all of us for the payments we made to indirectly pay for your lifestyle... which we do not agree with.
Bill, Fairfax:
You asked:
Go check post 1.76 for the answer. The poster's name is Dan H. He perpetuated the lie, and to borrow from one of your kindred spirits - Kirk - he embellished his ignorance. There's plenty more across the blogosphere. Don't embarrass yourself by saying otherwise. Mountains of evidence to support my contention are everywhere.
Nowhere did I say or even imply that you were in that category. I twisted nothing. You're hunting Saber Tooth Tigers. They aren't there.
For future reference: If the shoe fits.......
Now 9 sponsors have bowed out.
And Susan Fluke has dismissed Limbaugh's apology, as well she should.
I hope he goes down so hard he bounces like a beach ball.
Bill tries to support his position with the cost shifting argument of providing BC. All insurance is cost shifting. The well support the sick. Insurance is a socialized product.
Just as the unfunded mandate that hospitals pick up the tab and treat anyone using the emergency room. It is cost shifting.
Bill in Fairfax -- Care to clarify what video comment you found hilarious? Was it a parody video of Rush or was it Rush's comment on how Fluke should post a video?
Albany Joe: The first part is you quoting Fiesty; the second is your remark. You then went on to your usual HA!HA!HA!. I interpret your response as agreeing with Limbaugh's remarks.
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Not even close Jack.
I was only pointing out the hypocrisy of the lefty liberal outrage at Limbaugh's comment in comparison to the Nasty Redhead calling people "whores" and YOU calling her posts "thoughtful, intelligent and compassionate".
Nothing in my post indicates that I agree in any way with what Limbaugh said.
Wanna try again??
#1.42 - Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:27 AM EST
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I guess not, Jack.
Wanna try joining me and Anna Molly and DCIA in condemning Bill Maher for calling Sarah Palin a "cu**" last year, big man??
Kirk
Does your insurance cover pregnancy costs? That is a LIFESTYLE choice. You CHOOSE to crap out a snot-nosed brat.
Why is it that you have no problem covering the CHOICE to crap out a kid, but you do not want to cover the CHOICE to not have kids?
Does your insurance cover the medical costs associated with obesity? That is a LIFESTYLE choice.
Why do you have no problem covering the medical costs of THAT lifestyle choice, but you do not want to cover the costs of a contraception-using lifestyle?
@RedDevilPS
Yes, it is called insurance and they are not obligated to cover what is not covered in the plan purchased. You don't like the plan, you have the choice to buy something else. And what makes her argument even more pathetically weak is that she knew that they wouldn't cover it in the beginning.
@IndieParty
Pay attention now - I could care less if the insurance company wanted to cover birth control, but they don't, and she knew it! This would be the same as someone's house flooding and they try to go after the insurance company after the fact, complaining about not having them pay off, knowing what their coverage was and what they had or had not purchased.
As far as all the other lifestyle choices you mention, if it's not in the policy and paid for, it's not covered. What don't you get about contracts and specifications of what is contained therein?
Albany Joe,
I absolutely will join you in condemning Maher for doing that. I hate that term above all others. There are violent overtones to it, as well as the usual contempt associated with remarks made by men who disparage women. I hadn't known he said that until today.
But here's the point I've been trying to make: I would have condemned the remarks at the time they were made had I known about them; I would not have protected Maher. Wrong is wrong. What I and others don't understand is why you didn't come out and condemn Rush last week. Why did it take all this morning into the afternoon before you finally agreed with Anna Molly that Limbaugh should be condemned?
Having said that, I applaud you for doing it (though I'm sure you could give a rat's a** what I think).
I searched for local clear channel affiliates and called (they all listed the same local phone number). They referred me to the Premier Networks public relations department at 818-461-5750. I'm not sure if this has been published here already (probably). This goes straight to a voice mail box where you can leave a message to ask them to drop the Rush Limbaugh show. Remember to be respectful when leaving the message, and show them that we are above the behavior being shown by Rush and his followers.
FLUSH RUSH!!
Indie Party--you and David obviously dont understand how insurance works. For one, you are making assumptions about my beliefs that are wrong. There is a huge difference between coverage that your employer CHOOSES to cover based on the medical plan it offers. David or Reddev and you seem to think the insurance premiums you pay cover the covered medical expenses when in the aggregate they are drops in the bucket. Your employer picks up the close to 80% of the actual costs and with union medical plans, its probably closer to 95%. Which is fine as these are negotiated or business decisions that the employers make to provide benefits for their employees. If they wanted to have a surcharge for obesity they could do that but they would have to deal with the negative outlash and obvious downsides of picking winners and losers. The difference with this issue is that the government is mandating coverage rather than giving the employer the choice. If the employer wants to provide the coverage as you so eloquently point because it attracts more female employees or entices the best employees to stay, great for them. Totally different than mandating it. Insurance companies have nothing to do with this issue. Dont get mad at me for this issue, I just dont like the mandate as I am not against contraceptives. Its just another free give away that politicians like to do in order to pander for votes. And before you get started on me, this is exactly the same issue as the prescription drug give away to seniors that Bush provided all for votes. I didnt like that either.
David thanks for the gratuitious slander as always you are a gentleman with a total inability to debate your way out of a paper bag but quick with the condescending wit.
Kirk, you never cease to amaze. There's dumb, dumber, dumbest, and far beyond that, there's you.
You wrote:
The emphasis is mine. Knowing your extreme love for the word "embellish", I used it in response to Bill, Fairfax. Herewith:
Again, the emphasis is mine. From this quote you are able to find slander - gratuitous slander, yet. You're the lawyer. What's the difference between regular old, garden-variety slander and gratuitous slander? After you've done that, I'm sure you'll explain how poking fun at your incessant use of the word "embellish" rises to the level of slander.
I stand in awe of you, Kirk. Really! I am awestruck. That you are an attorney leaves me awestruck.
Really?! Well, why don't you tell that to my own doctors who recommended it to me to treat irregular periods and spotting.
You're obviously -- and obliviously -- a man.
I don't think Ms. Fluke was asking the "government" to do anything. She goes to a private law school, and I presume, has private health insurance, which is in most states a highly regulated industry, and with good reason. Even if she went to a public university, she would be paying at least some tuition that would go towards university-provided health care. There are no handouts here, except in your highly inflated mind.
Don't know much about insurance, do ya? Study up about mandated coverages that already exist, both under state and federal laws, and maybe we'll be able to discuss this more intelligently.
Although I confess that I STILL have my doubts.
In most cases, by the way, it's the "religious" employer who is the one taking the government money, in the form of grants and Medicare or Medicaid, so your tasteful analogy about butt-wiping really applies to what THEY do.
As a raging sycophant, however, you're probably much more familiar with kissing butts, than you are with wiping them. You should practice more, on your own. Lord knows you could use the practice. You're leaving a mess everywhere you walk.
You ain't see nothing yet, Buddy. But stick around and you will.
Obviously, you didn't understand my point, which is that Rush no doubt pays for his wife's birth control, making her, according to him, a .... (oh, never mind; you're obviously not smart enough to get it anyway).
Yes, exactly. Just like Rush's wife. I guess you DID get it, after all. LoL
And what does that make you? I mean BESIDES disgusting and vile.
Come on in Jack, the water's fine.
Ah. There you go. Thank you.
Isn't it amazing what the influence of a good woman can accomplish?
He doesn't, maybe, but I do. Thank you again.
Sometimes it takes a village ....
Missed ya, Anna Molly:
It's nice to know that there are attorneys who actually DO know what they're talking about.
David, you just dont get yourself and maybe its an unintentional writing style but get over yourself man. You can make fun of me all you want as I can take it. I hear worse from my 4 kids all the time. Given that I am a reformed tax and M&A lawyer and havent practiced in 15 years, your skewering of me really hurts. If you would stop the condescending writing style and open your mind to the possibility of learning, you might actually be a decent person. But just like last week when you wondered how kids get this sense of entitlement and want things for free, you just dont seem to get how that is so incredibily funny coming from a progressive who believes in the entitlement state. Why do you think someone would stand up and ask for contraceptives for free? Where did they learn that from? Yes I love the word embellish because it is the perfect description for virtually everything written by Backhouse, you, and several others. Then there is the nasty group whose job it is to personally attack and attempt to make less credible. Its just really too bad, you have so many willing to actually critically think and have substantive discussions without the personal attacks or the embellishment.
David, the difference between you and I is that I will admit when I dont have a clue or have no experience and have the humility to understand that an opinion is just than an opinion. My experience may be different than yours or my opinion may be different than yours but if you noticed, I respected that until it became clear that since I didnt toe the company line, I was obviously considered subhuman by the likes of you. I am sure there are plenty of areas that Anna Molly does know what she is talking about and plenty of others in which she is either sharing her experience or her opinion, its just too bad you arent willing to understand that the value of her experience or yours and your opinions are of equal value and worth the same amount of respect as mine.
Ha! What about the United States Constitution and the American People's "Right to Privacy"?
Just because you may pay 1/10th of a 10th of one penny, DOES NOT mean you get to see x-rated videos of young American people having sex, pervert.
Obama / Biden 2012
"Rush & Fox represents the GOPigs and their Tea ReTards"
"Santorum is a big time Rush Fan"
Aside from the Birthers, after the 2008 election, we were appalled at McConnell's statement that their primary goal was to make the president a one-term president. Along with obstructionism, we were then shocked by Paul Ryan's plan to privatize Medicare. Then after the 2010 midterm, we were astounded by class warfare attacks on unions and the middle class. And who can forget the beginning of the GOP/TP primary in which every candidate raised his/her hand against a 10 to 1 spending cut to revenue plan?
But who'd have ever thought the Teapublicans would triple-down on the Terri Schiavo pro-life overreach? No one is surprised by the Planned Parenthood myth, but holy cow, the extremism of the "personhood" legislation, the forced ultrasounds, and more recently the Blunt-Rubio amendment that would allow employers to decide what health insurance covers, it's such mind-bending crazy talk that if Republicans aren't thrown out in a landslide in 2012, what would rid us of this radicalism?
AOL has now abandoned Clear Channel, and let's hope the entire Bain operation is taken down with Limbaugh (the way FOX and Murdoch should be). Rush is and always has beena bigoted jerk, but he went on a three-day rampage, doubling down with sex videos etc. that surpassed even his own usual vitriol. And it wasn't just the atrociousness, but the complete and utter ignorance about how birth control works that topped it all off. Women don't take "the pill" every time they have sex -- OMG!
Not unless you can back them up, baby cakes. Not all opinions are equal.
To wit (that's lawyer talk, doncha know):
And that about sums you up, Kirk, except in this little scenario you really play the part of the Church.
And you have a persecution complex in just about the same measure.
Well, Kirk, not sure why you decided to bring me into the foray, but since you did, I'm not sure if I am suppose to relish your embellishments, find them hellish, or relish in your hellish embellishment use. Your claims are so far over the top, attempts to critically analyze them are in-substantive, un-progressive, over-entitled, mind-skewering and most of all plain and simply condescending (inconsequential also works).
Anna - NICE reply to Hopeless American!!!!!
Thanks, RedDevPS.
I'd go with relish the embellishments. Life's too short not to revel in it.
Anna Molly,
I can't tell you how good it is to have your "voice" back here again. We've really missed you.
Interestingly, last week Kirk said that he no longer practices law. Methinks he is as much an attorney as security guard Spanky is.
Anna Molly, I agree that they arent all equal and I know its helpful to rationalize it when I have the persecution complex. But lets take it one step at a time. If its my experience that I share--say for example with my fortune 500 former employer and lets say yours with your law firm, there isnt any difference except different experiences. If your talking about opinons, if i felt you guys actually debated the substantive issue rather than the emotional outcome, then I would say your example is accurate. But just like this contraceptive issue, I make it about politics and economics and Fiesty and David make it about partisan female rights issues. I dont know where you stand but is my opinion the church in that matter Anna Molly? Reddev personally attacks for explaining how medical insurance works economically and that is embellishment just because he doesnt understand how it works? How is explaining that mandating contraceptives for non medically necessary reasons is just pandering to the female vote by giving away free stuff and costing employers additional expenses. Its my opinion that it is no different than subsidizing prescription drugs to the elderly. Since the poor can already get free contraceptives from planned parenthood, this was clearly pandering to employed woman covered by employer provided medical insurance which is the middle to upper class female voter. I dont give a rats ass if employers want to provide it under some cost/benefit analysis or a employee benefit but a government mandate? Come on thats pandering but its my opinion and obviously not a worthy of respect one.
It should be that the democrats are damaged goods and you can't change it or get your money back. You are stuck with it.
Democratic voters have no choice in this primary season they are stuck with Obama, his flip flops, his change of mind and tactics and can't blame it on anyone else but himself.
Obama has no experience as a leader.
Obama has no experiece in economic matters.
Obama has no experience in accounting matters.
Obama has no experience in political matters.
Obama has no experience in foreign affars.
Obama has no experience in bipartisan affairs.
Obama has no experience in controlling his wife. She said Obama's mother was single when Obama was born.
Exactly what experience does Obama have and why should he get the job as president?
He doesn't understand how the free market economic system of the U.S. should run.
He gave a Finnish Car Company $500,000,000 to build competing electric cars in Finland when he bailed out (incorrectly I might add) Chrysler and G.M. when they should have gone through Chapter 11 refinancing, costing the U.S. taxpayer billions.
He lowered out world wide credit rating by not understanding how to fiscally handle the economy.
He killed bin Laden instead of ordering that he be taken alive and retrieving information he had.
He dumped bin Laden's body in the ocean before he had definite D.N.A. proof it was his body and we only have Obama's word that it was the body of bin Laden that was disposed of.
None of Obama's 130 initiatives in the Illinois senate became law.
Obama is hiding his college and university transcripts.
Obama never was lead attorney at the two bit civil rights law firm he worked. He was a lowly researcher.
Obama did not set up a friendly pro western government in Iraq.
Obama did not send advisers to Lybia to help set up a pro western government.
Obama is in a dither about Syria.
Obama doesn't know what to do about Iran.
Obama lowered tariffs with Australia, New Zealand and Australia, costing the U.S. thousands of jobs.
Obama is dragging his heels on the wall between Mexico and the U.S.
Obama is NOT taking out of the U.S. illegal aliens. He is only returning illegal aliens caught at the border.
Obama intervened to get his aunt immigrated to the U.S. and has not ordered the expulsion of his other relative in the country illegally.
Obama spent over 20 years weekly listening to his Marxist Pastor Wright blame the U.S. for 9/11, Jew bait calling for the elimination of Israel, Damning America and telling him to buy only from black businessess.
OBAMA IS NOT A MAN TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY.
Of the registered 43 million democrats this is the best person, they can find to run for president?
Jack, why is that everyone questions the pedigree or background if you dont agree with someone else's opinion. Your right I dont practice law and havent for 15 years and I am not sure what I did is really practicing law. I was a tax M&A lawyer which means I never saw the courtroom and did tons of research, writing and negotiating contracts. Horrible way to go through a professional career in terms of hours and enjoying anything. Luckily I took a job with a family office and worked for one of the portfolio companies and enjoyed the last 15 years much better. I wouldnt be a very good person to represent your daughter and her speeding ticket but my wife is a litigator and she would be well qualified to handle your legal needs.
Rush is now more famous than ever...he has no more enemies that he had before this fiasco. The present "free" advertising for his viewpoints will no doubt only get him more listeners than ever. Just in time for the elections.
As if all those detractors above ever supported him to begin with??
PULEEEZ spare us all the false "indignancy" and collapse away. Who's actually writing this printed political statement? Brooke Brower a Social Worker and Domenico Montanaro, a high school teacher. WOW
Won't buy their products?? LOL...in my opinion, many of ya are more than likely on the public dole anyway. With no $$ to buy anything to begin with. Pathetic...
Ah. You've laid out your argument nicely. The middle to upper classes already have employer-sponsored health insurance, and we crazy, uppity women are just being ungrateful by asking to have it cover contraception coverage as it already does Viagra. Rush Limbaugh was just trying to make us see reason. We should really be grateful to him, shouldn't we, Kirk?
And everyone else has Planned Parenthood, which I believe you would like to de-fund, and which Susan G. Komen already tried to defund. Which means that, for the moment, poor women have better benefits than middle-class women, even though the middle class women pay for those benefits at least in part, and poor women do not.
Gotcha.
A perfect example of making sure that the poor do not get more than they deserve, while the deserving middle class gets the benefits they've paid for.
Not.
But I think you also left out at least one relevant group here, and that's college students, who are often provided with university-sponsored health care as part of the services they get for THE TUITION AND FEES THAT THEY PAY.
Capiche?
Look up the insurance laws of any state, and see what government mandates for coverage are already in place. I'll bet Illinois has a few. WHAT AN OUTRAGE. And then again, consider COBRA, another government health insurance mandate. YET ANOTHER OUTRAGE. And HIPAA, too. WHAT AN OUTRAGE.
What you obviously don't know about health insurance law would fill up a couple of code books -- in fact, it already does.
So stick your phony outrage ... where the sun don't shine, and come back when you're ready to stop pandering to YOUR political gods and deal in FACTS -- not the baloney you make up and pretend to be facts.
Then maybe, and just maybe, your opinion WILL be as good as mine.
festus23 - what a sad person you must be. Considering you are listening to and believing all the far right lies and then decide to post them is a real embarrassment for you. President Obama is a very good President and is doing fairly well with the mess he walked into. Had he had a cooperative House he could have done much better.
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Cute little tirade there. Now the rest of the story, none of the redpublicans wannabes stand a chance against him. What can that possibly mean...
Ummm Idj, this whole dumb story is about what??!! Repubs took over seats the last election! Where are you people living? Obama has blown it with the American people. PROOF?
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/05/10563467-americas-most-miserable-states
Americans are not any happier than theywere last year. In fact, they are slightly more miserable. At least, that’s what the recent Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index shows. The annual index measures six areas of well-being, including life evaluation, physical health and work environment.
In 2011, the national well-being score declined slightly from 2010 and was the lowest since the survey began in 2008.
ABO 2012
You go, Anna Molly! Nice to read your thoughts again.
Interestingly, 2010 is the year the GOP/TP took over the house claiming JOBS-JOBS-JOBS. And what did we get from them - nada, zilch, zero JOBS. The failures of the GOP/TP are the direct cause of the decline in the score in 2011.
Anna Molly, where in the world did you get that crap from? Where did I mention uppity women. Yes Illinois has a state mandate and no Viagra is not state or federal mandated and my former employer didnt provide Viagra so stop the persecution complex. Just because its mandated by a state for the same political reasons doesnt mean its not politically motivated either. Talk about embellishment and stretching my point to an extreme conclusion. What about those other federal mandates what do they have to do with adding non medically necessary contraceptives for free as a mandate? As for planned parenthood, I wouldnt defund it but it should be treated like any other charity. I have no problem with planned parenthood as an organization, I just dont see the difference between it and the AIDS Commission, or American Cancer Society or the Humane Society or PAWS or any other great cause that needs money. I know the government picks winners and losers in its funding or entitlements but doesnt mean I think it should. All these charities do wonderful things I just dont get why one is better than the other as why they shouldnt be funded by private contributions. Your outrage on this is ridiculous as I dont see this as a gender issue but a picking favorites and pandering for female votes. If you want to eliminate Viagra do so because I was totally against it and personally made sure my former employer didnt cover it.
As for facts, give me the facts that I provided that were in correct or where my knowledge of health insurance is incorrect? Given that we arent debating any facts, not sure why you even brought that up except to confuse the issue but I know thats your debating style. Can we stay with the issue and not bring false arguments or fake outrage into this.
justoneguy - and the Democrats will take the House back this year because everyone sees that the GOP is just a group of obstructionists who don't care about the US - just about defeating Obama at all costs. If you truly look at polls you'll see Americans have a far higher approval rating for Obama than they do for the GOP.
Obama/Biden 2012
Reddev--I thought BAckhouse put together something above or another post talking about all the jobs that have been created since 2010. So how can it be Nada?
Kirk - false arguments is what you are all about. Where did I ever make a claim that my portion of an employer provided insurance premium covered the full cost of any medical claim I might make? I didn't - you are the one that made that false claim. Then you have the audacity to offer a diatribe on how you think insurance coverage works. Now, excuse me if I disregard most of what you say, but when the source is someone who leaps to grand conclusions and tries to tell me a vasectomy is cosmetic surgery, well, in short, I don't need your version of home schooling.
Ahh, the GOP is finally being referred to what it really is: damaged goods. Unfortunately, they are worse. They are scum. Dead scum. Want to know why??? Take a look over the past few months of campaign rhetoric. Let's start with "I like to fire people" (taken out of context, but still damaging) and "I don't care about the poor." Let us also go with "2.50 a gallon gas," "Obama is the greatest threat to national security," and "equality is a Judeo-Christian idea." See a trend??? The GOP has lost it. They went from a progressive liberal party in the late 19th century to a regressive ultraconservative one about 110 years later. And vice versa to the Democrats. The end is near for the GOP. I just hope that it goes down with out a bang...
The GOP has been the number one problem in America. No, not the debt; not the economy; not the geopolitical state of the world. Want to know why??? Because they CAUSED most of the problems. Instead of investing in keeping our debt at stable levels, they embarked on a brazen borrow and spend frenzy. Instead of investing in American schools, roads, and jobs, they poured trillions into an already well-prepared military and wasted our money AND lives in stupid wars in godforsaken countries. You heard me right: we WASTED American lives and the lives of innocent civilians. We practically threw their lives away in the name of "democracy." The GOP is a cancerous tumor; a shriveled cancer, yet still a danger. Yet there is a solution; kill the cancer. Isolate it; cut it out; and let it die. And observe its death in order to prevent such another tumor.
Not only have the GOP practically destroyed America; they have failed to offer a credible plan to fix our solutions. For the debt, every single one of them believes in budget cuts only, and most (if not all) call for tax cuts that apply the failed Laffer curve to modern economics. For the economy, its deregulation and tax cuts, with the old "let the free market take care of it" mantra dominating the party. None offer compromises; not even Ron Paul, whose single solution to all of our problems is "small government" and "End the Fed" and "Constitution this and that." I'd rather die than vote for these scum-sucking, fire-breathing, bigoted idiots. Let me give you a condemnation of each (except Ron Paul, because I have some respect for him):
Rick Santorum is one of the most inciting, bigoted, anti-government radicals that I have ever seen. The guy blasts Obamacare as socialized medicine (like socialist medicine is worse than what we have now), calls Obama un-American, rages against basic fundamental rights for women, compares homosexuality (a natural occurrence in almost all species) as bestiality and goes as far as to deny these people (who are ordinary people like us) the fundamental right of the pursuit of happiness (a.k.a. marriage), and goes as far as to give one of the most important principles in the history of mankind: universal freedom, as the sole product of the so-called "Judeo-Christian/American culture." This scumbag almost makes me ashamed to be Catholic; he makes people think that Catholics are all insular conservatives with no self-respect for others. We are not. There are a lot of us, like me, who are liberal, respect people's rights, are secular, and are tired of the right-wing painting smearing the image of religion.
Mitt Romney is another 1%er who should be left at Wall Street and NOT Pennsylvania Avenue. This guy claims that he is just like the middle class even though his tax plan disproportionately favors the wealthy. This guy supports cutting from social safety nets and claims to be supportive of the plight of the poor. He also rages against the president on economics despite the economy's rebound and criticizes the bailout even though it succeeded. This man is a disgrace and should be left hanging on November.
Newt Gingrich: not much to say. A bit of an old-time idiot (no offence to any seniors out there), drugged on the nostalgia of Ronald Reagan and desperate to make headway. This guy is an embarrassment to history professors and an idiot when it comes to global economics. He thinks that the bureaucracy is at fault for everything; that America is weakened by liberals; that the media is against conservatives (thank Reagan for the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine); and that the solution to energy problems is drill, drill, and drill. What a waste of knowledge...
I see very little goodness that will come from a GOP government. I will bet you in three years the debt will be higher than ever, our rating being downgraded YET AGAIN, our economy in the ruts, and our people regretting the past mistakes. The right-wing has dropped the ball on everyone: women, minorities, moderates, Independents, EVERYONE. It is over. They have soiled the reputation of this nation. Fortunately, this fate is not predestined. We do not have to deal with this mess. We can avoid it. The simple answer is to vote out every uncompromising Teapublican in office. Re-elect Obama, and the Democrats (or moderate Republicans and Independents, if there are any left). But please don't wait out this election. This is a momentous election. Do we fall like the British Empire, or do we restore America's greatness? The answer is up to you, folks. Please go out and vote. If not for your future, but for your children's. Please, don't screw up my generation's future.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
DEMOCRATS 2012
DEATH TO THE FASCIST RIGHT WING GOP 2012
(sorry for this being so long).
I agree, Jack, but do we know whether or not she tried? I think Romney's cowardly response to Limbaugh shows how little respect he has for women. He will pay for that at the polls.
As far as I'm concerned it has been a harrowing experience for a brave young woman, Sandra Fluke, but it has been a huge gain for American women to have nine of Limbaugh's sponsors drop him like a hot potato.
Hi again, justoneVOTE.
Do you honestly expect anyone to be persuaded by that argument? Is it Obama's responsibility now to make everyone happy?
Sheesh... next you'll be blaming him for the weather.
Presidents get blamed for most everything when a lot isn't their fault. BO will get the blame for high gas prices and could affect the election. While he could do more it mostly isn't his doing. Like Bush gets a lot of blame for the mortgage meltdown and credit freeze he didn't control. They are like quartbacks, too much blame for bad things and too much credit for good things.
Of course the GOPhers are damaged goods! Clearly their brain damaged! Their lack of ethics, all manor of perversions and lies the GOPhers are damaged and morally bankrupt. Put up the going out of business sign and turn out the lights.
It seems to me that the 'spirited' campaign between Obama and Hillary hurt the Democrats that much in the general election in 2008.
Much ado about nothing.
Head to head polls with Obama at this point are meaningless, since about 25% of voters don't even know who the Republican nominee is and what they stand for. The biggest problem for Obama is that his favorability rating among VOTERS (that's what counts) is stuck at about 45%.
Ouch, and it did hurt. I mean the ultimate owee was that either way, a democrat won the election. Should we talk about the republican hurt or just give you a 'I am stuck on bandaids, so bandaids stuck on you" moment. Nothing better than watching a Dennis-Wilson moment of trying to apply a sticky bandaid to ... (that would be dot, dot, dot to the old fart crowd).
Damaged implies that the Republicans were born pure and good and turned bad..........
I don't think they are damaged...
I think they have always been like this and are getting worse......
this shift in the attitude and personality and format of the republican party was getting bad over time, but when Bush and Cheney and Rove and Rush took over they went to the dark side at warp speed...
it is sad to think that an entire party can be turned into what we are seeing by only a handful of people....
when obstructing the business of government and lying and endangering the welfare of Americans becomes the tools with which a political party seeks to meet its goal it is time for that party to fade into the night and a new one to be born..........
surely there are those republicans who do not actually think like these Bush republicans do....surely there are a few republicans brave enough to revert to their human side and stand up for what they know is right and turn their backs on what they know is wrong....
it might only take a handful to undo what has been done by a handful....
things are so out of hand in the republican party....a reckoning is bound to take place.
Reddev, I got news for you, in many health insurance plans a vasectomy is elective cosmetic surgery and not covered. It depends on whether the employer includes it in the design of the plan. And yes you were the one trying to explain that providing contraceptives wasnt free because you pay for it in premiums and I explained that premiums cover less than 20% of the cost. So far I have been 100% accurate in this debate and its people like you and Anna Molly and David that keep trying to shift the debate to an emotional woman's rights issue when it has nothing to do with woman's rights. I realize that Obama was losing the national debate on government intervention and mandates so he astutely switched the discussion to make it about something that sounds better like woman's rights and access to contraceptives. In reality its about economics and government intrusion into the private sector and the debate should be around that and not woman's rights. Sorry I know you hate to hear it and I know it doesnt fit your script but if you can lay out one of my false arguments or give me a fact that I provided that was incorrect, lets discuss.
Kirk, you are 100% correct. This issue was made up and then hijacked by the left and the media. No one was advocating more or less birth control. The media made this an issue(and none of the candidates) in the primaries by insisting on it being THE topic of conversation at issue...The candidates even protested, but by that time the libs and the media were going full force on their propaganda. They want complete government control and free contraceptives instead of leaving it alone.....No republican candidate introduced this subject. This is just another smoke and mirrors lie from the left.
Capital One, Netflix and United Healthcare are still sponsoring Limbaugh per Credo - please contact them so that we can get more sponsors removed!
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Joe Scarborough this morning after reviewing new poll numbers and replaying recent comments from the candidates and the President – Republicans should just turn the lights off, this thing is over. I’m sure he doesn’t truly believe what he said but it is clear the Republican Party has not improved its image during the last 2 to 4 weeks.
IMO last week will be remembered as the week where the Republicans gave the November elections to the Democrats.
Early voting in Ohio is already dramatically down from 2008. According to a spokesman for the Ohio Secretary of State, about a half million people had already cast ballots in the primary by this time in 2008, compared with 160,000 as of Friday (down 68%). Some county election officers report early voting to be 10% of what it was in 2008.
POLITICO — A fractured party. Tales of sharp-elbowed politics spilling into the news. A prolonged public spectacle pitting prominent Republicans against each other. And that was before the GOP presidential circus arrived.
OHIO, it seems, isn’t just SuperTuesday’s biggest prize. It’s also the scene of an unseemly intra-party brawl that has drawn in high-ranking elected officials, lobbyists and operatives throughout the state.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73575.html
Joe Scarborough is a liar. He said he was always against the health care mandate. Back in the 1990's he backed a conservative plan for a health care mandate. Joe you're beginning to sound a lot like flip flop Romney.
Norquist is a total idiot. And he proved it on morning Joe this morning. He just makes things up and spouts his nonsense and Joe and the others just sit there with a stunned look on their face saying nothing. It was funny though watching Mika trying not to laugh at him.
The party was damaged goods when they paired banks with their churches. Throw out the money changers.
Dennis, it's pretty telling when Joe S makes a statement like that. Tomorrow night voting results will be interesting. I have heard various republicans, including Reince Priebus, make the claim that the GOP battle is like the Obama and Clinton one in 2008. They are so wrong that it is laughable they even try to make the comparison. Neither Obama or Clinton attacked each other's character, both had similar ideas and policy positions; and both candidates were well-liked by voters. The GOPers have viciously attacked each other's character not just policies; the polls show republican voters are not happy with their choices. There is absolutely no comparison between the GOP fight in 2012 and the democratic process in 2008.
MBGOP you keep on believing that nonsense.......
Anybody but O'dumbo in 2012.
The term "damaged goods" accurately describes the outcome of the GOP's hilarious primary season. It also applies to some of the right wing lunatic fringe who post on this site, as well.
What seems apparent from this article:
Democrats like their candidate and dislike the GOP runners
Independents either like the Obama, or dislike the GOP candidate
Republicans hate Obama and hate their candidate
GOP-TP / the pity-party of hate.
It occurs to me that all through the 90s and early 2000s, the Republican party was on a crusade to have a one party Nation. Looks like they've almost succeeded at last. One little hitch, they thought it would be the DEMs that were destroyed. Proof that what you hold in your mind, manifests in your life. Also proof that God answers prayers of the heart, destruction to the would-be destroyers, sustenance to the would-be sustainers.....
LouisJ, That's so funny because I was watching Star Trek Voyager last night and thought the exact same thing that Republicans are part of a collective .......made me LMAO
Wow, another pro-Obama/Democratic/Liberal article, probably straight from Media Matters or the East Wing of the White House. Getting closer to Mr. Obama having to DEFEND his failed policies.
Who would have guessed ?
Yep, I wonder why the negative articles about Mr. Obama's 2008 campaign have been SCRUBBED from the Internet ? Must be part of Mr. Obama's Net Neutrality program for the masses.
Jody, Iowa
Things got a overheated at times between Obama and Clinton, but nothing like what's going on with the Republicans this year. The biggest problem they have is that the horrible accusations they're all throwing at each other are all true: Romney really is an unprincipled out-of-touch flip flopper and job-killing corporate raider, Santorum really is a corrupt politician as well as an extremist culture warrior, and Newt Gingrich really is an unstable bomb thrower.
The Democrats problem in 2008 was that they had two very good candidates that made it difficult for some of us to choose. I voted for Obama in the primaries, but I would have been just as happy to have seen Hillary Clinton as President of the United States. Maybe she'll get her chance in 2016. She said she's not interested, but I kind of hope her friends and supporters will persuade her to run.
The more the people get to know politicians of either Party the more they dislike them...
...because politicians are overwhelmingly sociopaths and habitual liars.
No crap the longer the primaries/caucuses go on, the more the people dislike who they are getting to know!
If it went on for another 2 years the drooling and moronic masses might actually vote for the only dude telling them the truth (Ron Paul). But then again, I have no faith in the lynch mob's intelligence, so probably not.
I just can't help but wonder:
When will we quit polling the lynch mob (voting), but expecting the outcome not to be a lynching (lying sociopathic leaders)?
Man, most humans are are illogical and irrational.
If you think 2012 was heated, you have forgotten 2008. People will buy almost anything negative.
First Thought says that the only positive is that there are still eight months for Romney to try and wrest the conversation back to economics.
The one thing that Romney will not be able to change is the negative branding women - particularly our social networking younger women - now have of the conservative,Republican and Romney agenda.
That net effect will hurt the Republicans in November and beyond with this constituency.
The Republicans will have to do a lot of damage control and I don't think they have enough time.
this article, hits the nail on the Head..dumb ashes exist !!! Pompous Living & Decisions are NOT a stairway to heaven..as for, Who is in Charge of hitting the Panic Button, there's much Uncertainty..i pray the Guy does NOT have a Trigger Finger at this Point..Humanity still has a Long Way to Achieve their Goals.......
Flip Flopney, Rick Sanctimodium, crazy old Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich...
Newt is damaged goods by virtue of his past. The rest are even worse.
The biggest hypocrite and biggest liar of them all is Flopney. He'll get the nomination. (Sanctimodium may be a jerk, but he is very SINCERE about it. That will help Flopney win he nomination. Sanctimodium just can't shut up about his own whackiness.)
Mitt Romney: He hosed his dog and you're next.
It's still going to be a long year.
DB AkronIf
I have NOT forgotten it, and Clinton and Obama were like tossing rose petals at each other compared to what the Republicans are doing to each other this time. The most terrible thing that Obama said about Clinton was that she was "likable enough" (gasp!). Clinton said "shame on you" to Obama for reasons that I have, admittedly forgotten, probably because they were forgettable. Then there was Clinton's scary "3 AM" commercial about Obama's inexperience, which was memorable. But what was more memorable than that ad was the Saturday Night Live skit about it, with Barack calling up Hillary from the White House to desperately handle various international crises. Obama hasn't had make those phone calls since he appointed her Secretary of State because he appreciated her hard work, skill, and intelligence.
Now, which of Mitt Romney's opponents do you think he would appoint to his administration? My guess is that the only job Santorum and Gingrich would be considered for in a Romney administration would be mowing the White House lawn.
Fire Limbaugh!! Fire O'Reilly!!! Stop the War on Women, jerks!!!
I recall Clinton being the first "birther."
"Rush represents the GOPigs and their Tea Retards for a better Nation"
Houston, good points. The Clinton v Obama campaign stuck with the disagreements on issues with occasional little pokes at "leadership" but beyond that, they both ran pretty positive campaigns focusing on what each would offer voters and as I said before, voters liked both candidates.
elliot, doubt you can provide proof to back that up. Clinton never questioned President Obama's birth certificate. I believe what you refer to is her wishy/washy response to a question concerning his religion.
The GOP has been damaged goods since about 2003. The party of small government and personal liberty showed their hypocrisy when they grew government and infringed on personal rights when they had both houses and the POTUS. Add to that a couple of wars and a balooning deficit and their true colors were out there for all to see. The GOP had a chance to showcase the benefits they said their philosophy would bring to our country. They didn't.
The GOP win in 2010 wasn't a vote for the Republicans but a vote against the Democrats. Instead of seeing it that way, the GOP thought they had a 'mandate' and the hubris from that party raised its head again as they started in with the re-vamped 'Contract with America.'
These clowns are unelectable.
elliot
You're partly right. The first birther was Philip J. Berg. He was a Democrta Assistant Attorney General for Pennsylvania. He was a strong Hillary supporter who actually filed a suit in a U.S. District Court in August 2008. So I can agree that it was probably supported by the Clintons but they have a way of hiding from their dirty deeds and spinning them to other people.
Jody - I think you have forgotten all the racial crap involved within the democrat party when Obama was running. You remember the "light colored" man who didn't speak with the "negro dialect". I remember Bill Clinton having a real hissy fit because he thought Obama's team was using the race card against him.
"Lets all Celebrate the down fall of the GOPigs" ........... "The Collapse of a Party of TeaNuts"
GOP has completely sold out to the 1%... such a shame...
Be a REAL job creator: BUY AMERICAN!
Wow ! What spin from MSNBC !! Their twist does not even allow for a simple article discussion .... right from the start their TOTAL LACK OF OBJECTIVITY is readily apparent !!!
Damaged goods ? Yes, that would be the guy in the White House who produces "budget proposals" that will not even garner serious consideration from his own party. Unemployment is still very high, no budgets proposals worthy of consideration and continually spending money our country does not have.
Then, there is Obamacare thrown into the mess so our inefficient federal government can now mismanage YET ANOTHER federal entitlement program.
MSDNC will then bow down and do his bidding by continuing to create "news" where none exists and then put it in the most liberal spin possible. It looks like the writers have "dirty knees".
The GOP has a serious case of electile dysfuction.
And it's getting worse by the day.
"Santorum had a lot to do with making the GOPigs look Dirty"
"Santorum supported by the Tea ReTards = Insanity"
The Republican Party is reaping what it has sewn -- Lies -- from voodoo economics to neocon foreign policy to divisiveness, whether religious wedge issues, class warfare by attacking unions and the middle class, and every kind of bigotry with Birthers (racism), religion (anything not Evangelical Christian), and attacks on women's rights. Top that off with conspiracy theories that make the John Birch Society look sane, and look at the mess!
Side Note -- It was rumoured that some of Hillary's staff sent Emails questioning President Obama's citizenship. This rumour was never proved, however, Hillary did not do herself any favors with the Dem base by failing to unequivocally debunk the conspiracy. With that said, it was the right-wing who immediaely ran with the Birther BS(of course), even now with Arpaio in Arizona. The Dem leadership in the meantime squashed factions who wanted to go after McCain's birth place of Panama. Please, move on people.
The difference between earlier ugliness like John Kerry being Swift-boated and the current GOP circus is that the current GOP clowns are REALLY clowns with a lot of REAL baggage. The most recent lack of qualification I've noticed is temperament. Romney is not accustomed to being questioned or even advised, so gets snippy. Santorum goes into attack mode when ever he is questioned, and Gingrich is just a great big arsehole with the "elite" media.
Even Jeb Bush would have had the Terri Schiavo fiasco to explain, yet has said the Teapublican Party has gone so far to the Right that he no longer relates to it. All other so-called "serious" candidates beyond Pawlenty, such as Mitch Daniels, Haley Barbour, or Chris Christie have their own baggage whether attacks on the middle class and unions, pardons, or health issues related to obesity.
Even VP picks are hard to come by with Rubio's fake story about his family, and now Rubio with the Blunt-Rubio amendment (co-sponsored by another supposed rising star Scott Brown), and Bob McDonnell exposed for his extreme views and trans-vaginal ultrasound. Heck even Nikki Haley has scandal, and who cares about Bobby Jindal anymore?
Yes, we're talking Damaged Goods -- Throw the Teapublicans out!
Ido - your comments are almost humorous. Your lack of intelligence is obvious and sad. But, you'll always be here posting your hatred and ignorance. It just proves how correct the majority of people on this sight are - the GOP has NOTHING going for it. And, are they damaged? OMG! What part of the GOP ISNT' damaged goods????
Katheryn Brandy -- Agreed. Even if Romney could pivot to the economy, it seems Bain Capital leaves it's mark on everything from involvement in the recent American Airlines bankruptcy and trying to evade pension plan responsibility to Clear Channel and Hate Radio shows like Limbaugh. OMG Bain seems more insidious than Haliburton!
Max^108 -- Job creation begins by supporting the middle class (the 98%). When the middle class does well, everyone does well including businesses and the rich.
jim-1455434 -- LOL, it's your post that lacks objectivity. The president's budget is far better than anything offered by any Republican in office or seeking the White House. The Affordable Care Act is merely regulation of the existing for-profit private sector, and does not go into full effect until 2014 yet we are already seeing savings from the reform. If only it was a government-take over, then it would make sense. The US is the only country where employers are responsible for health care plans, with for-profit insurance middlemen, providers (doctors, clinics, hospitals), and Big Pharma and their outrageous fees.
Just like the Bush-era policies of wars and tax cuts for the rich, this system is still in place (thanks in large part to GOP/TP obstructionism) and why the economic recovery is slower and deficits are larger than otherwise would be. If you want real progress, throw the Teapublican out!
This mass hysteria about what the candidates are going to do to unravel women's rights are unfounded; it would be political suicide! My problem with all of the discussions about the Fluke controversy is what is this going to do about the economy? How is any of this going to improve jobs? How is any of this going to keep jobs in America? How is this going to reduce unemployment and underemployment? How is any of this going to decrease the costs of gas and goods? I understand that the Sandra Fluke issue is important, but it seems to me that it needs to be a back burner issue. I'm tired of being told that jobs that I qualify for are being cancelled due to economic uncertainty. I can't continue to live on my current salary with the increases in costs. Last year, I used $100/month in gas. This year, so far, I use almost $175/month, and they are predicting that gas may hit $5-$6 per gallon! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! I want to hear what the candidates are going to do to get job creation spurred and to lower the costs of gas and oil. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CANDIDATE'S RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT RUSH LIMBAUGH'S COMMENTS TO SANDRA FLUKE! Please, let's talk about the issues that are affecting all of us now- the economy, jobs, oil, etc.
Jon-2387019 -- The attacks on women's rights, as well as racism and other bigotry remains a problem in our country, and it's good to have the covers thrown back from the right-wing to expose them for what they are. Social mores are needed to keep this ugliness in check -- people must be tagged for their hate and shamed and corrected.
The Terri Schiavo fiasco was a turning point against the religious-Right overreach before, but the "personhood" legislation, Blunt-Rubio amendment, and of course Rush Limbaugh's three days of doubling down makes the Schiavo incident look like a Sunday picnic. Minorities (Hispanics, Muslims, you name it) and now women are simply being reminded of how extreme and ugly the far-right fringe is that now controls the GOP/TP.
Gas prices are being driven by speculators on Wall Street and Big Oil's control of "just-in-time" refineries that limit supplies to keep prices high. It is not a simple or short-term problem that any politician can control, and nay candidate who says he/she can (Bachmann, Gingrich), they are not telling the entire truth. Job creation, well, please see my post above. In-sourcing is a good start, but we not only need jobs, we need good jobs that generates disposable income to create demand.
With that said, the religious radicalism IS very relevant. For Santorum in particular, these are the issues that he cares about the most. Most of all, what we are seeing is a complete lack of leadership from all the candidates because they've failed to shut down the Haters like Limbaugh and Birtherism, etc.
Labor laws in relation to health insurance coverage would be irrelevant if we had a government-administered single-payer system. The only legitimate debate would be whether birth control should be available without a co-pay. But there is NO question that birth control should be covered by insurance, and should be covered by all employers -- even religious businesses because religions are NOT exempt from the laws of the land. The Teapublicans trying to make this a religious liberty/freedom issue are way out of bounds and lying through their teeth out of desperation as usual.
But libtards do not want to talk about REAL issues .... that leads back to a track record of incompetence by Obama.
Oh, and "True Patriot", Obama's budget proposal last year was voted down in the Senate something like 97 to 0 ! Spin that one genius !! Harry Reid won't even bring up this year's proposal for consideration !!!
Weird. I live in Georgia and have yet to meet anyone supporting a candidate other than Ron Paul...
God forbid that we don't have a candidate yet. That would be like giving the rest of the country a voice. How can we tolerate that?
Party politics is a mess and I'm going to be all for pulling the lever against both parties this fall.
the GOP was at one time a respectable party ..there is nothing to respect in this GOP
I want my country back in the hands of those that cast the votes. The GOP isn't remotely conservative and the Democratic Party is moderate. Run the GOP out of the Senate and House, along with reelecting President Obama. He's taken huge hits for watching the backs of the blue collar worker and what's left of the Middle Class.
Here you all are, calling the Republican Party evil and defending the Democrats, all while the country sits at 15 trillion in debt, $5 a gallon for oil, and 8% unemployment. Talk about blind sheep being lead to slaughter...
It's both parties people.
So by your lack of logic, because the Do Nothing obstructionist Teapublicans filibuster everything and vote against everything from the president's Big Deal (which included entitlement savings) to the Jobs Bill, the proposal is "bad."
The CBO, Tax Policy Center, etc. are non-partisan credible geeks who have shown that all the Teapublican proposals, from Cain's 9-9-9 plan to Romney's 20% tax cut plus increased defense spending plan would destroy our economy and create complete anarchy. So it's a total waste of BTUs to even discuss GOP/TP ideas if/when they have any.
The president was the one who requested the Simpson-Bowles proposal, and has tried to present a realistic plan accordingly. True that Dems are wary of touching entitlements, especially Social Security, and since there is an IOU in the trust fund box, Social Security should not be touched. But we MUST put everything else on the table, starting with revenue from the rich and corporations, and cuts in defense spending (especially Homeland Security) and getting out of Afghanistan. If we rebuild the economy, revenue will return to levels needed for government to operate without deficits. That means job creation and not fake lip service about "jobs" from Teapublicans while passing a zillion abortion bills instead.
@TruePatriot,
If you can't handle the points I made, switch to something else, eh ? Try to sound like you know what you are talking about.
Point One, Obama's budget proposals are now, and have always been unrealistic ... even to Democrats.
Point Two, Obama ignored the reccommendations of the Simpson Bowles commission.
Point three, for everything else, go to comment #371 because posting here sometimes takes your comments to the far corners of the earth for no apparent reason .... kind of like your wordy, but ineffective reply.
P.S. Obstructing "stupid" budget proposals is a GOOD thing ... no one voted for them, NO ONE !!!
I would like to see the presidents current proposal brought up for a vote again. It will have us at a 25 Trillion dollar debt and still a spending deficit of well over 700 billion TEN YEARS from now. He PROMISED us he would cut deficit in half by the end of his first term (230 billion is that number). By his own projections year 14 under his plan he still shows more than triple that. Maybe he needs 30 years????
To be exact, BigATC, Obama did fail on that promise. I admit that. However, Obama DID offer a plan that would at least get us on that track (which was small, but could have been built on with tax and entitlement reform). He offered $4 trillion in cuts over 12 years, including approximately $3 trillion in cuts and modest entitlement savings along with about $800 billion to a trillion in revenue increases. What did he get??? Boehner liked it, but then flip flopped thanks to his uncompromising right-wingers in the House. And now HE blames Obama for the credit downgrade.
And Obama's budget didn't take in tax code reform or entitlement reform. Sure, he should have done it, but it at least offered a picture of what could be and could have been negotiated on. Unfortunately, nobody gave it much of a chance. I probably wouldn't have, but it was much better than the anything the GOP offered.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Freshie, have you seen what the 4 trillion entailed? I read it. Do you remember the trillion and a half passed last summer from the debt ceiling talks? He counts that in his budget proposal and it is ALREADY PASSED INTO LAW. A few more like that which has half of his proposed cuts ... things that have already been passed. Never seen that before.
He also counts "war cuts" on money that hasn't even been proposed yet.
His budget counts 4% annual growth, we are currently half that.
His revenue he counts is 20% revenue/GDP. The last 30 year average is 18.3% and the 50 year average is 18%.
The numbers i put above are from his estimates, which won't happen as they are, how should we say, "a bit rosie". I imagine all presidents do that.
Boles/Simpson is about as close and bipartisan as we will ever get to anything decent from Washington and in 2 budgets proposed since he hasn't included one item from it.
The only thing i much care about from my politicians anymore is too be prudent with my tax dollars i send to them and i just don't see anything remotely resembling that with Obama. I don't know if the Reps could do any better. The amount of debt is staggering and i hear a lot of talk and posturing from both sides, with little to nothing getting done. I don't run my household that irresponsibly and i expect the same from our representatives (holding my breath) :-)
I thought the credit downgrade was interesting as the number was actually given to them to hit to avoid it. And leave it to our boys on the hill to screw that up. LOL
I remember hearing Boehner and BO had a tax agreement, then BO upped it after a meeting with the Dem leadership. Not sure how true that was.
I remember the house passed a bill that had 6 trillion in cuts and the senate never took it up. Not sure wwhat was in it as i wasn't paying that much attention at the time. I can't remember if the senate passed anything on their on.
I think the 2010 Rep sweep was mostly due to spending issues from the Dems. It put in more fiscally conservative people while at the same time most of the fiscally conservative/moderate Dems were the ones that got sent home. So the Rep's are more right and the Dems are further left making it even harder to get things done.
Lest conservatives forget about McCain's total misjudgement of how bad the economic crisis was just before the 2008 election (and Palin, who has no judgement even misjudgement), the right-wing tries to hold President Obama to having a crystal ball. Even after the crisis was underway, no economist or financial wizard could accurately predict unemployment rates or other economic statistics.
That goes for closing Gitmo too, which was blocked by NY politicians. Overall the president has kept far more promises, such as ending the Iraq war. PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign, and most have been kept or are in the works.
So how about you conservatives get off the crystal ball crack already, and tell us all the wonderful things Republicans did the during the previous decade under Bush/Cheney -- Or, tell us all the wonderful things Teapublicans have done since the 2010 midterm (they made so few promises, most of which were to oppose everything, we'll give 'em that) -- Heck, tell us all the wonderful things GOP/TP presidential candidates will do.
To get gas prices to $2.50 a gallon? Repeal the Affordable Care Act though it is now law? Have an American base on the moon by 2020? To balance the budget with 20% more tax cuts while keeping defense spending at current rates?
Take some personal responsibility for a change, and get outraged at your own idiotic Teapublican Party.
The GOP has been damaged goods for a long time. As usual they are just slow in acknowledging what we've all known.
Keep throwing out this garbage and drinking the Obama and Democratic Senate koolaide! Romney has the skills ot go into this government and cut out what is not productive!... we do need a corporate raider to trim down this blotted government that grew over 25% during the Obama years. Santorum is far from corrupt and has a unique view of working people's views as well as having deeply rooted beliefs and unlike Obama and other Republican competitors, he actually will answer questions about those beliefs but he has stated over and over again that as President he is not pushing any legislative agenda to institute those beliefs (only Democrats truly do that!)since there are more pressing problems in this Nation like a runaway debt and economic debacle that Obama has made much worse!. Gingrich has been orchestrating solutions-based agendas for years and probably has more real ideas on how to improve this country than anyone running. Vote for change nad prosperity for all ... Vote for Republicans.
The Republican Party is damaged by blind allegiance. They have no original thought processes and have do not have a shred of empathy for humanity.
"""The Republican Party is damaged by blind allegiance""""
Louie- Is it really a good idea to post something like that on a message board for Obama groupies? I mean, come on. The Chosen One hasn't been criticized by a lefty on this site since....well....never.
Damage: you've got zero credibility...because you back the villification of a young woman for the mere support of women's contraceptives and help spread vicious lies about supposed "loose" women, or about the morals of ANY woman who would take contraceptives that SHE PAYS FOR in her insurance...You are in no position to criticize anyone. (when you leave your echo chamber of hate and get out into the fresh air... of COURSE it feels like no one else agrees with you...poor baby....get some thicker skin.)
Louis J--REALLY? when a HUGE chunk of the ones who voted in Obama did so just because of the color of his skin?
BOTH parties are riddled with people that have little CLUE as to what their candidate du jour OR their party stand for.
"The Chosen One" was elected by the majority of voters, so you're right in your sarcasm. And in these three years, there have been plenty of posts by we "lefties" who haven't agreed with President Obama. Your chosen name, Damage123, proves that you've fallen for all the fear and hatred the GOP preaches.
You have to be kidding...do you not see Ron Paul up there with contrary views to everything the rest of the Party is saying? Do you see the civil war going on right now in the Repub Party between libertarians and "conservatives"?
You speak as if you have no clue of which you speak.
BTW, were is your Obama's empathy for humanity as he engages in 8 armed conflicts around the world? Oh, I guess aggressive mass murder is "empathy"...
...hypocrite.
And that ratched up drug war?
Torture?
Warrantless wiretaps?
TSA searches without probable cause?
I can go on for literally hours listing the violations of rights and war crimes...
...just like I can about Bush.
AP- You really need to get a sense of humor. You almost sound like David "High Horse" Walker.
K2- It's not the GOP going around saying there is a "War On Women", is it? What party, and who is saying that the GOP is "trying to destroy the middle class?" Isn't it you liberals that keep screaming that the Repubs want to invade Iran? Now, WHO is "preaching fear"?
What party is it that is exploiting jealousy and resentment of those that are successful? What president is it that idiotically tells people that, as a nation we can either have "corporate jets" or "educate our kids?" As if that's a REAL choice we have.
Oh oh...you mentioned Bush...don't you know that it's against GOP beliefs to mention Bush? Don't you know the GOP jumps down our throats if we mention FACTS - especially about Bush?
That's because I'm not on the brainwashed right or left...I think for myself.
I see a war crime, I look for a war criminal.
They're usually in the White House.
Santorum= U.S. Theocracy
Blingrich = NO credibility
Romney = hated by TeaBags
FUTURE = BIG WINS FOR DEMS!!!!!!
Santorum is a NUT, plain and simple. SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE, dingbat - it's one of the BASIC principles..... sheesh!!!
The biggest problems with the right wingers are:
1. A complete disdain for truth and accuracy, in deference to jingoism and a pretense that substitutes for the real world. 'Birtherism', saying that Barack Obama "hates 'white' people" are merely the most extreme examples, but painting everything the President does as 'Socialism', and claims about unauthorized immigrants are equally untrue.
2. Incessant pandering to fear and hatred of people with different ethnicities, religions, sexual orientation, immigration and citizenship status, again, without any regard for the truth or any recognition of individualism.
and 3. Substitution of imaginary solutions to imaginary problems or non-solutions to real problems as a means of avoiding tackling serious issues in a serious way.
Overhauling immigration rules could eliminate the problem of unauthorized immigration and a hereditary class-based society overnight, but instead, Republican politicians would rather put the screws to immigrants, thus exacerbating (and perpetuating the problems) while provided huge opportunities for pork barrel politics (like building prisons to house people whose only 'crimes' are working hard, paying taxes, and educating their children), or raiding factories so that American jobs can be shipped to China. Or requiring that abortions be preceded by a medically uneccesary vaginal probe. Or requiring voters to obtain an additional picture ID card as a means of preventing some people to vote, even though nobody in the US is ever convicted of using a fake ID to vote.
And the Left doesn't have a blind alliance to Obama. Please lets be objective here. the media and liberals seem to fear the thought of saying anything negative about the anointed one!
Reaganomics destroyed our Country, Lets not make another mistake like "W"
Duane - on the contrary - Obama has been getting heat because many on the left feel he has not done enough to steer the country away from Bush's policies. Plenty of Democrats have said he has caved in to Republican demands.
All candidates,once they are elected tend toward the middle and the fringe on both sides get upset.
More horse$hit from MSDNC !
"The 17 Tea ReTards in Congress destroyed the GOP"
"they call that Tea insanity"
"Lets Celebrate the nice job the Tea ReTards did in destroying the GOPigs"
Duane, please try and climb out of the pit of ignorance. Most liberals have no problem saying something negative about Obama. However, they aren't going to just stay silent when baseless, and false things are said by those who are ignorant and full of hate.
wow, patriotic, what an angry, spiteful, hateful sack of crap you seem to be. do you ever say anything constructive or intelligent? just curious.
MOmaid - I've seen your ignorant post before and it is beyond stupid. The majority of voters voted for Obama because he was the best person running. He actually knew we had an economic problem, unlike McCain. And, he will be the best person running again this year. Your totally ridiculous post says everything about you - and none of it is good!
Damage - women do feel there has been an undeclared war against their rights. Comments like yours just add to the impression that the Republican Party is a Political Party against women. I suspect the hierarchy are desperately trying to get people like Rush Limbaugh to stifle it, but it doesn't seem to be working:
Rep.Wayne Christian said,"Well,of course, it's war on birth control and abortions and everything. That's what family planning is suppose to be about."
Joe Pitts of Pennsylvania - proposed new GOP bill to allow hospitals to refuse to provide an abortion even when the procedure is necessary to save women's lives.
GA bill - to redefine victims of rape,stalking, and domestic violence as "accusers" instead of victims of abuse
Wendy Rogers - Women should not have an abortion even to prevent the unfortunate death of the mother.
Thomas White - Baptist Theological Seminary - declared use of birth control pills is murder of a life
Mitt Romney - "I hope to reclassify the most commonly used forms of contraceptives as abortions."
House Rep. Chris Smith proposes legislation that would redefine rape to "forcible rape" must be proven
Maryland schoolboard -cut funding for HeadStart because, as two republican commissioners said -women should be married and home with their kids so the program would be unnecessary.
Santorum has said states have the right to outlaw contraceptives.
2010 -Republicans voted unanimously against the Paycheck Fairness Act (which would ensure women equal pay)
For the first time since it was enacted, the vote was down party lines - Republicans voted against reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act.
WI Republican Senator Glenn Grothman proposes bill that labels single parenthood as child abuse.
And that is just a few things that Republicans are taking a stance on against women.
The most disconcerting aspect of the contraception controversy (to date) has been the complete and utter ignorance shown by Teapublicans, whether Romney or Limbaugh, of how birth control works. I guess this is what one gets with the anti-intellectualism movement against "snobs" for higher education in favor of the Flat Earth Society and teaching creationism.
Seriously, Romney is running for POTUS but has no clue that the "personhood" legislation would make most birth control illegal, and has no clue that the Blunt-Rubio amendment would put employers in charge of people's health care coverage -- Or worse, maybe he does understand and favors corporate take-over with Big Business coming between you and your doctor, because that is so much better than government doing it?
And the disconnect between insurance coverage of birth control being bad, but forced, medically unecessary ultrasounds with doctors required to read government-scripted dictates is somehow good. Or drug tests or any other Big Brother crap from the right-wing. WTF?
No, both parties are not "riddled with people that have little CLUE." Only one Party, the anti-intellectualism Teapublican Party has no clue. Case in point...
jim-1455434 - What a deep and well-presented case you make (NOT).
The third party voters are supporting Ron Paul because they're the only ones not brainwashed, waving flags around and voting by "party." Independent intellectual minds research candidates and make an educated decision, most often times being Ron Paul when you read about all he's tried to warn America about (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, 2008 Financial Collapse etc.).
But the ignorant continue to call him crazy and vote for candidates who supported those things like Obama and Romney.
LimeInfinity - as an Independent I can tell you you are SO wrong. Intelligent Independents are not going to waste a vote for someone who cannot win the election. So, they will be again voting Obama. Only the ignorant want to hand a vote to the far right by voting for an unelectable person. Sorry - Ron Paul is past being a real candidate.
LimeInfinity-I am a Democrat, and I disagree with Obama and the Democrats on several issues: I am not a fan of abortion on demand; or overarching regulations (although I have yet to see a major problem). But I am not brainwashed. I do not support Ron Paul for two reasons: he's too right-wing in his policies, and he's too focused on being ideological and not necessarily practical. For example, Paul thinks that the main problem with America is a big government (not true. It is a huge debt and a weakened economy that doesn't need more privatization). He also thinks that the solution to America's fiscal problems is to cut spending by a trillion, which would cause chaos. I also oppose his view on the Civil Rights Act (although I won't call him a racist) and his position of foreign affairs (don't like neocon policy, but not for taking all of our troops out of the world). Quite simply, I don't like Ron Paul's policies. Many Americans do. He is not the perfect candidate. However, I do respect the man's devotion to his principles, I like his relatively clean campaign, and think he'd make both a great grandfather and a good president when it comes to personality. I hope you will take this info and realize that not all non-Paul supporters have been "brainwashed" by their party; rather they are again most of his policies. Plus I don't recall him warning us about Libya...
Oh and try to respect people who don't agree with you. Or else the moderators will come and delete your sorry ass just like they did to moonbaseGOP... Think about that.
I will agree with the democrat, most people aren't brainwashed. Some people are so hard core they vote R, D or I with almost a rabid zeal though. Sometimes i want to hug Paul for being the most fiscal conservative of any candidate and then i go "huh"? when he talks foreign affairs.
I also have a lot of respect for him, more than most, as he sticks to his principals and doesn't just "get in line" when the party leaders say so, as most every Rep and Dem on the hill will do.
I see a less than stellar prez running against one of four less than stellar candidates, which will probably give us a less than stellar result. I always vote as instilled by my parents but it gets harder and harder.
SeekingSanity- You will be wasting a vote by voting for Obama because you'll be giving your vote to the "lesser of two evils" but evil none the less. With your mentality, nothing will ever be changed in this country. We listen to who the media says has a chance, and we vote for them. Guess what. The only candidates who will ever "have a chance of winning" will be candidates who support the media and banks, and will never support OUR interests.
So you better go start go voting for the "unelectable" because if you don't, you can expect more wars, more debt, and more jobless. Have fun folks, knowing you helped ruin America.
@ LimeInfinity: Keep praying for the worst. It's sad but the best ya got, there. Ignore the consistant rise in the stock market, lower unemployment, record profits for many corporations, and fewer American deaths in the Middle East. I'm sure faux snooze loves ya.
I pray for the best, and recognize the worst. Look at the $1.3 trillion deficit of 2011. Tell me how high our stock market was before it crashed, it means nothing. Record profits for corporations but yet our unemployment is still double what it was before the economy collapsed?
I hate Fox btw.
hhmmm...there are three things that could likely make that happen: #1 companies are again selling their products and people are buying. Which means people have money to spend, which means more people are working. #2 Companies aren't really selling more, but instead charging two, three or ten times more for their product (which they aren't). #3 All of a sudden resource costs have dropped two, three or ten times, from what they were (which hasn't happened).
Consumer confidence is way up. Unemployment is moving down. Now if the companies and 'job creators' start getting on board....and hire people, we'd move much faster out of this recession.
Mitt is truly the gilded candidate, a man with literally tens of billions of dollars at his disposal to use in furthering his otherwise shaky campaign. What are gaffes for but to cover them up with a massive super-PAC attack ad blitz? Romney has the nomination locked up. How the Republican Party will sell Mitt to the greater public is a real mystery, considering his record and his penchant for the most unfortunate of gaffes. The conservative wing of the GOP has failed to stop Mitt, showing the limits of their power.
The main thing Romney has going for him at this point is he's less insane than Santorum.
UDunnoBro........and he's not very bright either. For me the worst trait I see is he is a coward. He cannot stand for anything he professes to believe in...at a given moment. Depending on who he is talking to, he will say what they want to hear. But wait, on Sat. March 3, when asked if he approved of what Limbaugh had said, he cowardly replied "I wouldn't have used those words", now that would have been the perfect time for him to tell us exactly what we wanted to hear. But he couldn't.....................huge missed opportunity. And I wonder what his family thought, if they were the decent sort, he would have stood up to Rush just to defend them.
Which isn't saying much for Romney! That is like saying he is less stupid than the village idiot.
Don't forget all the election fraud. Missing counties in Iowa...missing counties and districts in counted counties in Maine, Nevada, etc.
Strangely enough those places missing...Ron Paul won those places. How coincidental, right?
But we're conspiracy theorists...nothing to see, just go back to sleep.
They'll be the ones to protect you from, your enemies, your choices, and all those demons. One in the same, they must isolate you and save you from yourself.
Gingerbread Mamma,
Romney can't say anything negative about Rush. Clear Channel Communications, the hosting network for Rush's show is owned by Thomas H. Lee Partners and Bain Capital. Since Romney is still indirectly involved with Bain and still holds some shares in the company, he can't openly bash one of their affiliates as it would be a conflict of interest and a break of contract. I find it interesting when an individual has money tied to something controversal, their opinion (all of a sudden) is less loud and defined, and usually becomes very neutral and unengaged.
The Republicans are really hurting themselves among Independents and Moderates; so much, that they will need a flawless performance from now until November to capture more than 50% of the vote. Tomorrow's exit poll stats (especially the turnout of GOP voters among the swing states) will give us a good peak into how November is going to take shape.
~Ind
Santorum has a better fake tan than Romney (at least brighter!)
GOP conservatives are powerless against Mitt...
...and Mitt hasn't even dipped into the Swiss bank accounts or the money he has stashed away in the Bahamas tax avoidance accounts yet. Just wait Santorum......
Newt is a Pig: But neither can hold a candle to the Original Orange Man, John Boner. In the meantime, I'm requesting a Republican ballot tomorrow here in Ohio and voting for Ron Paul. I'll need a bag over my head for the next two years until I change back to Independent at the next primary. It's my small effort to stop Mittens, Ayatollah Santorumeni, and Puke Gingerbreadman.
Eileen, so true. What is it with these GOPers like Santorum and Boner. Don't they know they're seen as fake already and the self-tanning crap just makes them look like complete fools!!??
Ron Paul seems like an OK choice since he does not seem like he's in on the GOP War on Women and he certainly stands up for individual liberties!!
Thank you AOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEND A MESSAGE TO O'REILLY AND FOX TOO!!!!!
SEND A MESSAGE TO SANTORUM: Stop the War on Women, jerks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm... The last I heard, there are a total of 11 sponsors who have "dropped" Rush Limbaugh. Yesterday is was a total of 7.
The question is: Is The Republican Party Damaged Goods?" I would have to say yes. The Republican Party became damaged goods when they thought it was a great idea to court conservative Christians.
Conservative Christians are behind all of the finger pointing and Thou Shall Nots, emanating from the Republican Party. All of this malarkey about abortion and contraception is due to the religious wackos in the Party. Those folks thrive on telling everyone else what to do, how to do it, and when to do it, etc.
Every time I hear the name "Willard Romney," I am reminded of, Willard and His Bowling Trophies: A Perverse Mystery, a novel written in 1975 by the late Richard Brautigan. It is an interesting read, with connectivity to the present situation.
Willard Mitt Romney grew up in a privileged, somewhat elite and wealthy family. Today, due to inheritance and his own efforts, he is a multi-millionaire. He has been running for POTUS for at least the last 10 years.
Willard does not have anything in common with the average person; and, he has the charisma of a rutabaga = not a viable POTUS candidate. Yet, he will spend millions more in another failed attempt at POTUS.
Willard must have a terrible temper, because his family and colleagues, those closest to him, must be afraid to tell him the truth. That being, Willard’s chances of getting elected POTUS are the exact same as him becoming the next King of England.
What Willard and many other Republicans do not realize is this: Grey-haired older men should not be legislating what women can or cannot do with their bodies.
If the shoe were on the other foot, so to speak, and Willard had to give birth to an unwanted baby, more likely than not, there would be abortion on demand 24/7 every day in every major city. Willard needs to that it is fairly easy for someone to "talk the talk," and another matter entirely to "walk the walk."
Abortion and contraception is a matter between the woman and her God - no one else, especially the Republicans and conservative Christian Bible thumpers.
None of the present gaggle of Republican Party presidential candidate wannabes are acceptable. Newton does not pass the ethics or morals test. Willard, religious views aside, has not had any meaningful contact with average every day people. Ronald is not age appropriate. Rick is far too draconian, vindictive, and sanctimonious.
As a Republican, I am embarrassed to see that the GOP cannot find a more meaningful candidate – as in someone who really knows something about making a budget and keeping to it, creating jobs, and, caring about people who are less fortunate.
Until the Republican Party gets rid of the conservative Christians and other mean spirited people within the Party, the GOP will remain in the toilet for a long time.
So on Friday, I said "Rush Wins".
In a way he did, and in a way, it appears he did not.
He won in the sense that he had millions of people talking about his radio show. In fact, I am sure that on Friday at noon there were a whole lot of people tuned into Rush that had never listened to his show before. His
business is political entertainment. Ratings are his goal.
He lost, because he committed the one mistake that Conservatives always seem to make. He underestimated Liberals ability to organize. Seems that Liberals have a lot of free time on their hands and "Organizing"
is in their DNA.
Even here at First Read you see the ability of the Liberals to Organize. Despite the fact that Left voices out number right voices by at least 20 to 1, as soon as someone from the right voices an opinion or states a
fact, they are jumped on by a gang trying to shout them down, with insults and vitriol. For instance:
john-537378
Hey
White Collar Auto, your daughter is a slut and a whore.
#2.66 - Fri Mar 2, 2012 4:24 PM EST
So 6 or 7 sponsors have either terminated or suspended their sponsorship of his show. What those sponsors sadly don't realize is that to Liberals it won't matter. The simple fact that they found out that they were EVER a sponsor on the Rush Limbaugh show will be enough for them to boycott the company forever. Always after that
last pound of flesh, it seems.
In the end the Rush Limbaugh show will live on, albeit with some different sponsors. The show makes Clear Channel a ton of money and they aren't going to let it slip away.
Picked up your VICTIM cape from the cleaners this weekend eh? lol
Take a good long look in the mirror pal!
White Collar Auto===I'm sure Rush Limbaugh's show will survive, because of people like you that can't think for them selves and need Limbaugh to think for them.
Yep, WCA: I'm sure that Rush Limbaugh is chortling in whatever cave he is hiding in about how he "won".
No. No more. Decent people reject him.
Were you people this indignant when FAt Ed Shultz called Laura Ingraham a "slut?" Of course not. You people are hypocrites. Why don't you quit your whining and get over it. And start saving up your money so you can pay for this chicks sex life.
Damage needs to be put on permanent holiday after his comments above. What do you say Tyler and the other blog police.
So Feisty, NDD and Sue, you guys are OK with John's comment about my daughter.
3 in row inside of 6 minutes.
Thanks for proving my point gang.
Why don't you post the ENTIRE exchange & get back to us...
Your selective pasting of one comment doesn't 'cut' it!
PS: I read the entire conversation...
Sorry if your little fee-fee's are hurt!
Oh, my goodness, WCA, you are really stretching here. Rush Limbaugh's comments were not just insulting to Ms Fluke, they were chilling to any woman who dares to speak about female reproductive health needs. It's not too long ago, if a woman was raped she was loathe to report it for fear of being called a slut. That is what women (and the President of her Catholic university) are rejecting: Limbaugh's hate speech directed at a group, in this case women, instead of at the issue.
PS I would bet anything you were one who took umbarage at Letterman's joke directed at A-Rod's reputation with the ladies, which Sarah Palin turned into an insult to her daughters' reputation. And that was an actual joke.
Well Feisty, why don't you post it.
Cause see, that was the entire exchange between old John and me. I never addressed anything towards him and he fired up that post.
So quit lying, again.
You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
I'll be happy to respond WCA!
You gave permission for this to happen when you defended Rush's remarks. Rush already called your daughters those vile names. You said it was just fine with you.
Spare me the faux outrage now.
Got it?
Still the coward...
I'm the liar? I asked YOU to be HONEST & as usual you pussied out!
Bravo NDD!
WCA was in overdrive on Friday defending his 'idol'! Which is why he runs away from my challenge!
Awww!
Will you look at that? I don't think WCA likes me much! lmfao!
Has Hussein apologized yet for calling Sarah Palin a "pig" back in the 2008 campaign? Of course not. Were you people all riled up and angry when he did it? Of course not. You people loved it. Thought it was great. You're all worthless, mindless HYPOCRITES.
Mohammed- Stop your whining.
Don't be mad you can't understand your own hypocrisy.
It seems White Collar is ready to burst into tears because it is he who is the victim here. At least that is how it looks to him in his dimly lit fantasy world.
Damn.
You know, my son's law firm, as part of their benefit package, offers a "comp" for using public transportation. Using liberal logic, all businesses that do NOT offer such a benefit want to ban public transportation.
In the same vein, my husband's company has an on-site gym. I guess all companies without such facilities want to ban gyms- or, perhaps, they want their employees to drop dead of heart attacks.
And, WCA Nd others are right about your hypocrisy. You do not decry liberal talk show hosts who call women "sluts"- your outrage is reserved for right wing blowhards. That reduces your credibility to zero.
Damage, apparently you missed the many liberal comments criticizing Ed Schultz for his inappropriate remarks; same with Letterman. Every day you come on FR and make outrageous comments, you slander President Obama and anyone else with whom you disagree. Free speech gives you that right; it gives you and Rush Limbaugh the right to behave and say as much stupid as you wish; it gives you the right to be as nasty and ugly as you choose to be. The trouble is that sooner or later, people find such hateful language to be what it is and they turn off Rush's radio show and put people like you on ignore.
You do not decry liberal talk show hosts who call women "sluts"...what?
No Joe's post was pointless and irrelevant. As usual.
Speaking of credibility problems, where is that super secret tape made by Briebart you were raving about last week?
You people are all idiots.
Go to one post and show me where I defended Rush Limbaughs statement.
JUST ONE !
You are a freakin liar NDD. Prove where I said it was just fine with me or STFU!
You people se what you want to see and hear what you want to hear.
And Amy if you will bet anything, then you owe me everything, because I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't watch Lettermen.
So pay up Amy. What I want is for you to forever stop posting here.
You said anything.
Sailcat, I'm no victim. Never have been, never will be.
You idiots think that because you write something here it is true.
What is true is that I said that the left here thinks that ganging up on the few right posters here is a winning strategy.
In fact you all are the pussies, because none of you can take one of us on by yourselves.
Those of you that act this way are incredidibly weak losers. You fail here every day.
Your constant need for validation from your warped friends is pathetic.
Here's an appetizer - what would you like for your entree idiot?
I suggest you follow your own advice
I am a conservative, not rich and in my thirties. The GOP doesn't represent me one iota.
WCA -- You certainly denigrated Ms. Fluke and misstated her position.
Here's what you said to me Friday:
Do you repudiated Rush's trash talk?
Boo-Hoo! Poor WCA. Everybody's picking on him.
Do you really expect to post here and misstate other people's positions (as DCIA points out above) and have only one person respond to you?
I might have been wrong in the first post I put up this morning about you finding Rush's remarks about Susan Fluke hilarious, but there is no excuse for your mis-characterizing the purpose of her remarks before Congress. If you would educate yourself first, rather than simply taking Rush's remarks verbatim, you might have some credibility. But you have none. And I'll say it again: history is leaving you and your ilk in the dust.
DCIA - I never said that was what Fluke did. You conveniently ciut out the beginning of that sentence.
I said My dughter would not do that.
You fail again.
But sure, you and Feisty keep trying.
As I said, you see what you want to see because you're a pussy.
Thanks, Feisty!
I think WCA should probably @!$%#can the crystal ball, too. I mean with 8 sponsors DOWN and no new ones stepping up,...I'd say he's a bit OUT OF TOUCH with REAL Americans!
White Collar Auto-Anyone that does not know your daughter ( and even the people that do) are vile if they referred to her as a slut, just as it was vile for Rush to say the things he did about this young lady.
The thing that people like Rush fail to understand is that when you throw words out there like slut and prostitute to describe a women that is using birth control you are in essence saying that all women that use birth control are sluts and prostitutes. So naturally women are going to be offended, and yes they are going to stand up to defend each other.
Feisty Redhead- Regardless of what White Collar Auto said or what he did or did not do to provoke someone, they had no right to drag his daughter into it and we should not be ok with someone calling her a slut any more than we should be ok with what Rush did, they were both vile.
Dont-carry-it-all: You know that white collar auto is in denial and has issues about being in reality 80% of the time, he is just a limp lizard and a real pussy when hit in his mouth with facts with anything concerning the republican party, you know if limbaugh called his mother( wca's ) a slut he would still suck up to him or make an excuse for him like all of the republicans have done.
Doubling down WCA is not wise. You get no pass. By stating your daughter would not do that you implied that is what Ms. Fluke had done.
Still no repudiation on Rush's trash talk, eh? Guess not seeing as you trash talk yourself. Feel good now?
Too funny White Collar - you're not a victim?? "What is true is that I said that the left here thinks that ganging up on the few right posters here is a winning strategy." Sure sounds like a victim to me. Poor WCA.
Has Hussein apologized yet for calling Sarah Palin a "pig" back in the 2008 campaign?
There we go again... more lies and BS from the right. Oabam's exact words:
Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.
"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."
"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."
"We've had enough of the same old thing."
He did not, repeat NOT call Sarah Palin a pig!
How about the first one in this thread?
If you can't see how that makes you a Limbaugh defender...
no joe - you do know your post makes absolutely no sense, right? What a ridiculous try at comparing things that are not even remotely like what the subject is about.
White Collar - Why do you let what these people say get under your skin so badly? I mean, unless your daughter is what they say why would you give an ounce of credence to what complete anonymous posters would say?
And almost anyone could say anything about you or yours and take offense - If I called your daughter a college graduate, Santorum would call her a snob!
All that being said, don't take the role of the victim so quickly - you're on a left leaning site, and you act offended when the left leaners shout you down. They would be treated in kind if they Posted on Fox, Drudge, or Huffington.
Conservative Code Word (Whites Only)
Blame Rush L.
Conservative = White Rights (Only)
Mission - Reverse civil rights - social programs - equality
- Control Laws - Separate from others - Preach Doom & Gloom
WILL NOT HELP THE NATION (NO WAY NO HOW)
For the sole purpose of re-establishing White Power as Jim Crowe Laws did in the past - Protect White Rights at all cost
How - Telling people the Liberal Media is against
Conservative by reporting facts - Everybody else is foreigners to America -
Using the language of Lincoln, The US Constitution as designed only for
Conservative Right interpretation
Undermine the Government authority through corporate
influence and legislation by placing only “Conservative” lawmakers in key
positions - Transparency is exposing the practice - Internet access has that affect
- Truth will be Exposed. (God)
People of color has immoral values according to White American
ancestry (Not All)
Laws of equality is eroding society - US Society should not
have Government intervention - State Governance is preferred by regional
authority (Jim Crowe)
Women serve as one purpose only (over the top)
Conservative extreme right activist have hijacked civil discourse
to an underlining war on all Americans not holding the views of closet bigots,
racial disdainers, power hungry influencers under the disguise of Religious
freedoms according to the Conservative Christian Right. Makes one wonder what
God they are worshipping.
Opinions are one thing but one answer/solution to all
problems is self delusional at best.
Rush Limbaugh has unleashed an unintentional backlash of
those views. The conservative coded messaging system is now threatened from
within.
And NO I do not want to justify any of your beliefs.
You can educate yourself by reading facts from other
sources. You would think we should have moved past this relic thinking in 2012 from
the nation’s own history of divisive practices.
Read: Dear White America by Tim Wise
America is a team of people and the President the coach. Sideline
haters are not welcomed.
Conservative is now a bad word for the rest of us (Just
saying)
WTFHAPPENED
Dude, reading your post...you're the racist.
Republicans are white only you say..except for all the black, asian, and hispanic Repubs I know I guess, right?
Racist.
Only a boob would try to oversimplify things like that. A total drone to one Party or the other. A blind rat.
Wake up out of that black and white fallacy in which you live...
...it's a symptom of psychosis.
Rick-549809
Your post makes absolutely no sense.
Rick - your post is spot on. Unfortunately the far right has taken over the GOP and it no longer is a Grand Old Party. It's an embarrassment to the history of the GOP that it has fallen to the level it has now.
GOP Forked-Tongue Speak. Why is the GOP speaking with forked-tongue again? They yell religious freedom outrage at government for mandating--excludes churches--that insurance companies provide contraceptive coverage without a co-pay as "big, intrusive government violating the First Amendment rights of faith. The GOP ignores that insurance companies already provide contraceptive coverage because the GOP and democrats passed it as a law in the 1990's along with a mandate that Viagra be included. Never mind that NO ONE is MANDATED to use contraception, no one is forced to violate their religious beliefs.
Yet, the GOP has no qualms passing legislation "mandating and ordering" doctors to perform unnecessary, expensive and invasive medical procedures on women seeking a "legal" abortion. This mandate is without the consent of the woman and requires doctors to conduct the procedure regardless. Talk about intruding in private lives and private business. The GOP bases their "mandate" on their religious beliefs. The GOP "mandates" that everyone else adhere to their faith. Clearly that is a violation of the First Amendment because it exempts no one and no institution. The women and the doctors have NO CHOICE. It is big, intrusive government republican style--GOP Forked-Tongue Speak.
Jody, Replied to you above.
Thanks for showing the hypocrisy in 3D.
What has millions of boobs, acts like a pig and is dumber than dirt? Rush Limbaugh supporters.
Hi Jody,
A great point with facts, that show the truth.
See jody, because it protects the rights of the child that women so callously throw away. The lib argument for abortion has been lost, fortunately. Young people arent buying the "its not a person till it comes out". Thats why libs changed gears to concentrate on birth CONTROL now. How convenient. Always changing to pander. Go ahead and help your suppressors, Jody.
Russ: The fact that you think us men are qualified to tell women what to do with their body is priceless.
Ever notice that ALL the people who are in FAVOR of abortion have already been born?
wouldnt consider it ruken. just saying women are being lied to and suppressed by liberals. Has nothing to do with me or you. Nice deflection attempt though. The argument for abortion is lost. Its a genocidal policy, and women, should they be so irresponsible, should choose wisely. Its their mental and physical health at stake. It is their choice. Its not the agenda that should be embraced by women. A unity and love of life, and respect. Having women drink donkey semen on tv is NOT empowering to women, but hey, isnt hollywood liberal, and progessive? Real empowering. I love women, and have the utmost respect for them. They should fight their suppressors, not embrace them.
Russ: you do realize you make no sense? How does prohibiting contraceptives help your argument about wanting to DECREASE abortion? You do understand what contraceptives are, right? If not, go find a female person and have a discussion before you post something so ridiculously uninformed. Damaged: you've already proven yourself incapable of understanding contraceptives. When you win a seat on the Supreme court, perhaps you can enlighten us on why women are to be excluded from the US Constitution.
Really? Since when did the law say a fetus is a person?
So I bet you think a fertilized egg is a child as well, because it will develop into one right?
I mean according to the Catholic Church that must be why masturbation is forbidden. Killing off all those sperm must be genocide. I bet there's an ocean of them in heaven.
Even notice those ALL the people who OPPOSE abortion have already been born?
Its not for either of us to decide. Women should make the choice best for them. Birth control is the same thing. most of them except condoms are dangerous and women should be aware. Again, its not for me to say. Thats what republicans are about. Personal freedom. No other agenda. P>S 90 percent of women i know think the birth control products are dangerous. People should know this before its given away.
Given the number of users and the number of complications, they aren't any more dangerous than any other medication if used correctly.
You've been doing nothing but say.
Then they're free not to use it.
But I'm sure casually querying your friends constitutes a very valid survey.
Know what? You've posted no facts, only mere regurgitated conjecture.
Russ, how do you defend the GOP legislation being passed in states that outlaws abortion for any reason--rape, incest and saving the life of the mother is irrelevate. So, while conservative pro-lifers speak about the unborn child, the conservatives willingly will allow the death of the mother because of an unborn child. Seems to be the ultimate hyprocrisy of pro-lifers--they place no value on the mother's life and all value on an unborn child.
The fact is ruken, you are a man, and its none of your business. I dont see any comments from women, because its a topic for neither of us to decide. The cut and paste is good though, and lets me know you are the suppressor I speak of. Thats the fact. i also notice whenever someone posts facts and statistics you ignore it. i also notice you post ALOT, leading me to believe you have nothing to do but tie your own noose for the communist in chief. Probably paid by mslsd. How many czars did he appoint? Isnt that a new post?
I dont defend any legislation that intrudes on a persons life, including womens rights jody. i dont know of any legislation passed, or suggested. send the link. would love to read it.
I rarely respond to any posts. However, I'm curious. Are you now saying that birth control (prevention) is the same as abortion?
"...>90 percent of women i know think the birth control products are dangerous."
Which demonstrates the need for more and better staffed family planning clinics.
Russ, so >90 of the 5 people you asked means exactly what? You really don't make much sense. Just because someone is pro-choice doesn't mean they run out and have abortions. Most pro-choicers simply believe it is none of "our" business and we will not impose our religious thinking on those who think otherwise. But we pro-choicers also believe in preventing unwanted pregnancies by making contraception readily available and less expensive. 98% of Catholic women use or have used some form of contraception; 99% of all women have used contraceptions so obviously they do not think them dangerous. It would seem to me that the loudest of pro-life advocants would be praising making contraception more available because it means fewer unwanted pregnancies and thus fewer abortions. Teaching teenagers something other than "abstinence" only also eliminates unwanted pregnancies. The hypocrisy of the pro-lifers is on full display and it is really hard to comprehend mostly because I seriously doubt they even understand what they think let alone what they say. The number of abortions has been declining since the 1990's bi-partisan legislation made insurance providers cover contraception. That number will continue to decline now that insurance providers can no longer charge a co-pay.
Russ, I am a woman and my comment is based on the fact; my opinion that no man or woman, no government and no religion should dictate anything regarding such personal, private decisions. It is simply no one's business.
Russ, the State of VA just passed that legislation or did you miss the "transvaginal probe" discussion and VA Gov Bob McDonnell. The laws exist in TX and a number of other states. Person hood amendments and bills are being passed or put before a vote which outlaws abortion and birth control. PA is trying to pass similar legislation. IA is trying to pass some hybrid version of it. All you need to do is use the internet to find any number of attacks on women's rights not to mention that the Federal GOP House has spent more time legislating women's health issues than working on jobs.
Here's the link to state law regarding insurance coverage for contraceptives. These laws started appearing as early as 1996, and they have a religious opt-out. 28 states call for this coverage. So why is this an issue now? Obama care and a Republican primary.
Russ - you clearly should not talk about women's choices. You don't have any "skin in the game." Being pro-choice does not mean a woman is pro-abortion but means we know we can only speak for what is good for ourselves - not others. Abortion is NOT genocide. How nice that you - a man - define it as such. And, I love how you put the responsibility totally on a woman instead of realizing that pregnancy also includes a male - or do Republicans do it differently??? You're right - you shouldn't be posting about anything that involves women and their choices. We already have enough GOP idiots trying to dictate to us!
Don't confuse the Russ's of the world...their heads explodew when confronted with facts or differing opinoins of what is their business...
When confronted with differing opinions, liberals COLLAPSE ideas other than their own, total intolerance.
Study the collapsed posts here today (many are not offensive) that are mostly from non-liberals.
Rick, take the challenge and see who it is that their comments are collapsed here today. Hypocrisy by you ?
jim - actually Feisty's posts are probably collapsed most often by the fact fearing right!
Take the challenge then ! Do an honest examination of today's collapsing in THIS article, and then compare it to Rick's statement at #7.21.
Let's see if you are up to the challenge and will give an HONEST report !
Feisty posts opinions, and sometimes her remarks get very personal.
jim - you only post opinions and most of them are not in line with reality. Plus, you clearly have no tolerance for anyone who differs with you so what makes you different than Feisty? Nothing!
Yeah jody, i looked it up, no such legislation. Libs are making a war on contraception that doesnt exist because they lost the war on babykilling. get whatever birth control you want. dont make others pay fr it. jim, you are right, they do collapse non lib posts more often than not. no lib took you up on the challenge cause yure right
Yes, that's what Conservatives have been saying amongst themselves for a long time. They say it on their talk shows their Conservative blogs, and in fundamentalist churches that deliberately flout the longstanding prohibition against churches preaching politics.
Roy Blunt and Rush Limbaugh have inadvertently shed light on this mostly hidden, mostly whispered belief of the Right. The current flood of outrage is testimony to sunlight as being the best disinfectant.
So, StillSeekingSanity could not or would not accept the challenge. Instead, verbage that shows she was trapped in a corner and could not or would not COUNT collapsed posts .... which simply proves my point that liberals are "TOLERANT" only so long as your opinion agrees with theirs.
For everything else there is hateful, sniping comments and personal attacks that rarely go admonished.
Truly hear trending.
Also truly stupid.
See, according to Planned Parenthood's site, birth control pills cost between $15 and $50 per month, depending on brand. My advice to these poor, poor young women is that they drop the unlimited texting option from their cell phone plans, and buy the damned pills.
It's called having your priorities straight.
Leave it to NJBJ to suggest college kids go without telephone access. No doubt you also support no access to the internet or books in exchange for birth control pills. I'm surprised you want to give coeds access to birth control, for how else do you keep them dumb, barefoot, and pregnant, which is what you think every woman deserves.
No Joe, President Obama's plan is a mandate directed at insurance company providers who are already required by a law passed in the 90's by a bi-partisan Congress to include contraception coverage; the change in the law is that no "co-pay" will be charged. Those young women Sandra Fluke discussed were women who's student health insurance at public-Catholic institutions had not previously covered contraception and she spoke of how important it was that now they did have access.
Never mind that GOPers in Congress have tried to defund Planned Parenthood which provides assistance to women who do not have health insurance through their employer and cannot afford it on their own and make too much money to qualify for medicaid. Never mind that GOPers in Congress have tried to defund Title 10 for women's health. As the saying goes, there but for the Grace of God, go I. Not one of us on FR is guaranteed that at some point we could find ourselves uninsured and we, too, could be one of those "poor, poor young women" you speak of so dismissively.
NJNB -- Are you really a man? To suggest that a medical condition not be covered under insurance because it is something only a woman can develop is beyond outrageous.
As others have undoubtedly pointed out, BC pills can also be used to treat ovarian cysts, and other things.
But because they also prevent pregnancy, that means we should have women pay for them out of pocket?
Makes total sense. *sarcasm*
Red,
Telephone access is not a right. You want the government to pay for birth control, great got it and now it's going to be free, well not free because nothing is free, just the people paying taxes will pay for it. What else would you like the tax payers to pay for while you're on your soap box? Because you know the tax payer doesn't pay enough according to you Liberals.
"Leave it to NJBJ to suggest college kids go without telephone access."
no joe, no bo, nj
Truly hear trending.
Also truly stupid.
See, according to Planned Parenthood's site, birth control pills cost between $15 and $50 per month, depending on brand. My advice to these poor, poor young women is that they drop the unlimited texting option from their cell phone plans, and buy the damned pills.
It's called having your priorities straight.
yes, yes, also stop buying the new jordans when they come out, if they don't spend 200 on new jumpers, they will have money to buy 10 months worth of pills. also does not seem like they know how to take them (PILLS)because we are still seeing young poor women giving birth and expecting the government to cover the cost to fee them.
Who is asking the government to pay for birth control? Get your story straight.
x
no joe - again a totally ignorant post. No joe is actually a Joe - isn't he?
And so the world revolves around one woman who is joined by many others who are not intelligent enough to know what their insurance covers and I for one think that if insurance companies should be forced to pay for contraceptives, then they need to be forced to pay for my aspirin, because as a woman, I really have to have that aspirin once in a while for my reproductive health needs, you know, - "not tonight dear - I have a headache." If they pay for contraceptives, they have to pay for everything, which is well, what socialism is all about. The government takes all of your money and keeps it for itself and then doles it back out in the form of free handouts on those things they deem necessary and then you have nothing, they have everything, and gone is your freedom to choose for yourself. If you want to mess around, you should have to pay the cost for it yourself. Plain and simple.
floridamom1 - you clearly have no idea about the subject. Ms. Fluke was talking about her Jesuit university that chose not to cover birth control in their insurance. And, clearly you didn't read her testimony or you would realize that many of us have taken birth control pills not as contraceptives but for medical conditions. The stupidity of your "socialism" comment shows you don't have a clue. The idiots who throw socialism around don't even know the meaning but have heard ignorant GOPers use it so they do too. I really pity you. Your lack of intelligence is appalling! The fact that you chose to post without even knowing what Ms. Fluke said makes you look incredibly ignorant.
Speaking of the the big fat one, rush limpballs....anyone who supports this tub of racist rightwing lard need to reassess what kind of person they are...other than a racist rightwing lard follower of course...
Rick- You make TWO FAT PEOPLE jokes and one juvenile re-working of a person's name, in one sentence. Maybe you need to do a little reassessing too. And stop throwing around the term "racist". Because of you lefties, that term is meaningless anymore. Have a nice day and tell Mrs. Hamilton, your homeroom teacher I said "hi".
Damage you are an embarrassment to the human race.
Why do you bother posting? All your posts get flagged because of your toilet mouth.
Guess it takes all kinds even the bottom of the food chain.
Come November, "Unclaimed Freight" might be a better term.
The Republican Party is completely bankrupt, morally and philosphically
Just like the DemoCrips, the RepubliBloods are bankrupt in those ways.
If you think political parties today have a philosophy, a code of ethics, or anything close...you're insane.
If they do, what is it? Is it ontological, deontological, consequentialist, pragmatic, utilitarian, etc.,etc.?
I'd be suprised if 1% of you knew what that even meant...left or right.
Almost no one today has a philosophy...they have ideologies like "liberal", "progressive", or "conservative". They hear a philosophy and they call it "cooky".
Who cares what MSNBC News polls show. We know how they make them... OBummer Super PAC money!.
Muhahahhaha!
jelloo heads!
Sloppy Joe: who cares? Well certainly not unthinking right wing extremists who would tear the Republican Party to shreds in their interest of remaking it into the new American Taliban party. You don't hear that sound? Its the sound of democrats everywhere cheering you on toward your determined march to irrelevancy in national politics for a long time to come. Yeah, you go vaginal probe party!!
You've got Santorum's voting record which is identical to the President's on education. You've got Romney's healthcare reform as the backbone for Obamacare. Damaged goods indeed. What's the ABO (Anyone but Obama) party to do?
It's easy to see what the GOP was trying to do. They wanted to keep media attention on the GOP by dragging out the fight for a long time and having TWENTY debates. It's starting to backfire. The candidates are dredging up all the skeletons early and making the whole bunch look just awful. There's not enough Obama bashing going on, instead the focus is on the GOP candidates. This is probably the last time we will see this strategy employed.
euterpe
Hey look on the bright side. After the election you'll get to whine and complain for four more years and it's what you do best. You'll finally be a winner.
Off topic.....or maybe not. Last week I spent a couple of days out in Gettysburg, mingling with the spirits and soaking up some history. To some, I'm sure a solo trip in the middle of the week - in the off-season, to a town whose nightlife is mainly ghostly echoes of its haunted past - would seem an odd choice of places to spend a milestone birthday, but it just seemed to suit the melancholy I was feeling about turning 60 and having lost so many friends and family members lately who would have made it a special occasion in years past. I fully admit I was feeling sorry for myself and wanted to escape to another time and place. As it turned out, I had an awesome time - in the off-season you can really experience Gettysburg without all the traffic, without all the bored teenagers wanting to go back to the motel pool, and without all their history-impaired parents telling them they have to go see Lincoln's "address" or Eisenhower's "headquarters" first. Instead, I was lucky enough to have a half hour shivering in the eerie wind all alone atop Little Round Top, a quietly gorgeous sunset seen from the Pennsylvania monument and shared with just a fellow amateur photographer from Chicago, a peaceful night at a lovely if certifiably haunted inn, and the next day a private tour of the beautiful Eisenhower Farm for just me and two young men from the U.K. who knew more about our history than I do. It was one of those once-in-a-lifetime experiences and I was really reluctant to leave the magic behind.
But eventually I had to. I stopped into work on Saturday to get a leg up on the work that had accumulated while I was gone, and made the mistake of checking First Read to see what I had missed. Whatever spectres of the past I was still feeling vanished as soon as I started reading about the news I had completely missed about Rush Limbaugh and Andrew Breitbart and the ugliness that took the place of civil discussion here on Thursday and Friday.
Instead of the gallantry and courage of men willing to charge across open fields to their deaths for their beliefs, I saw cowards hurling lies and insults from the safety of their anonymity.
Instead of the inspiring words of Lincoln that will live forever, I was treated to the common vulgarity of posts from people such as Damage 123 and Michael 1969.
Instead of the pride in their community and the desire to defend and preserve its sacred ground that I felt from everyone I talked to in Gettysburg, I read posts from people who take pride in their bigotry and racism and cruelty and ignorance.
Instead of great men changing the course of history, I got very small men and small, petty arguments that will never change a thing.
If I can take comfort from anything, it's that Lincoln's words are just as meaningful today as they were almost 150 years ago:
"But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
I wish all of you could have experienced the two days that I did last week - perhaps it would change your perspective on our current lives and how we treat each other as much as it changed mine. The world will indeed little note nor long remember what we say here. That doesn't mean we can't at least try......
Glad you spent some time learning about the days when the country really WAS "divided." Back in the day when men were men and didn't "marry" each other. Back in the day when Christianity was not ridiculed, mocked and attacked daily. When women had class and didn't go to congress to ask for the taxpayer to help pay for them to have casual sex.
Happy Belated Birthday JoAnne!
Party at the Dew Drop Inn Friday night in your honor! ☺
damage....you are positively classless and useless!
Damage is just mad that with all this "casual sex" going on he is being left out.
Damage pines for the day when women and blacks didn't vote...Ahhhh....those were the days the right wing nuts could really have some peace... Pine away oh irrelevant one....you've lost this one and will continue to lose. Women getting the contraceptives they PAY for?? Telling women they don't HAVE to live by Catholic rules (when even the Catholic women don't?) Gee what's the world coming too....
Actually, Ruken, back in my single days I had more casual sex than I can even remember. And I was FULLY responsible. Never ONCE did I feel entitled to other people's money to pay for my fun. And I wasn't going to a $50,000/yr college either. You people's sense of entitlement never ends. When somebody disagrees, it's a "war on women." What a joke.
Belated birthday wishes, JoAnne! Looking forward to the celebration with a toast to you and your great post. A haunting experience to visit a Civil War battlefield---we did it last summer in Shiloh.
How sad to see the folks here doubling down on Rush Limbaugh. Never thought I'd agree with George Will but he is right about the candidates---they want to bomb Iran but are afraid of Rush Limbaugh.
AP- Ahhh, guess my remark about "men marrying men" kinda hit home, huh? Sorry. I got nothing against you people, really. Whatever kind of sickening stuff you want to do in your bedroom is your business. Just don't tell me that you want to change society to fit your various perversions. And don't tell me I have to pay for your contraception. Although , because what you people do is so un-natural, you don't need contraception, I mean the Fluke girl in that case.
So let's add homophobic to Damage123's list of personality flaws.
damagedgoods:
Are you stupid enough to think there were no gays in the civil war?
Christianity has not been ridiculed, it has been put in its place. This country has never been, nor will it ever be, a theocracy. Any mockery is self-inflicted.
And you didn't read Ms Flukes testimony - did you. Skipped over it. Ignored it. Completely relied on Limbaughs flippant, inaccurate, unfunny interpretation. Even after Hannity and O'Reilly jumped on the bandwagon - you still didn't read it so you could see for yourself what the brouhaha was about.
The best comment i have read on a news site. I had just started reading comments and came across yours. I'm so tired of all the name calling, and making fun of the political party people don't like instead of providing something insightful.
I'm truly surprised on how the word tea bagger is used and excepted, since it is slang for putting a males genitals on someones face. How immature is that. I'm surprised it's allowed in the comments to be honest with you.
Now you have me crying at work, JoAnne! Very moving post. When pollsters tell us Americans are unenthusiastic and disappointed by the Republican choices before them, this is why, because the only "cause" Republican leaders get excited about is cutting taxes. We already have the lowest tax rate in 70 years of American history, but, still, cutting taxes is the only issue the Republican candidates for President are passionate about. (That and their own material gain.) To read Abraham Lincoln's words is to realize how far the Republican Party has fallen.
JoAnne Belated Happy Birthday, we will celebrate you and the fine ability you have to tell a great story of your mini vacation. Your words took me back to Gettysburg and reminded me of other Civil War cemeteries North and South.
Looking at the political landscape today, nothing too much has changed in some people's thinking from then, they still want to control how those that are different from the white male should live and behave.
Bleary- Are you stupid enough to think that, if there were, they would be demanding to be allowed to MARRY each other? LOL They would be kicked out on their ass, and rightly so. Do you people really think that soldiers in the Civil War wanted the taxpayer to pay for women's sex lives? Are you all aware that Lincoln, like 100% of everyone else in the country at the time, viewed Blacks as inferior and incapable of adapting to life in a civilized country as free men?
And btw AP. How am I "homophobic?" I said that I have nothing against you people and you should be able to practice your teabagging (and other stuff) in the privacy of your own bedrooms. Jeez.
Dear JoAnn...welcome to the "60's Club" I really enjoyed your post and your appreciation for the meaning, civility and humility of our past leaders. To those who say we do not live in a divided society - I call BS! What has made our nation great is the ability of our leaders to govern for the common good of all of our citizens - not just those who agree with a given ideology. Our nation was built on the willingness of those in power to compromise in ways that benefited the nation before party. I yearn for the days of statesmen like Evrette Dirksen and Adlai Stevenson; men who, while being members of their respective political parties earned the gratitude and respect of members across the aisle for their willingness to do the right thing(s). Again, JoAnn, thank you for a great post!
Ignorant and homophobic.
My thanks to my dear friends for the good wishes and I'll share some more details at the DDI when I get a chance.
My thanks to Mike 4243480 and Concerned Citizen for the kind words and for understanding what I was getting at. Hope you'll both come around more often.
And as always, a special thanks to Damage123 for voluntarily illustrating my point better than I could possibly have ever asked.
If damaged goods,thinks the 1860's were such a wonderful time, it is a good thing that he would not have been, black, female, a child, a animal, or poor. Women could not vote, or own their own property, they did not have the right to their decide anything for themselves. Blacks were slaves. Children, could be beaten, sexually abused, and worked to death in factories. Animals, could be killed, and abused. Poor people could not vote, or be included in the government. I thank goodness that as a woman, I live in the 21st century, since as a woman over 50 I would probably now be dead in childbirth or from having mutilple births, and if I was lucky I would have had at least one of my children survive. Children who lived past infancy were the lucky ones. JoAnne I agree completly with you about the level of discourse, today. I also have been to Gettysburg on a June day, and find it a very strange and humbling place.
As an Independent I only speak for myself... have seen almost all republican debates and have listened to their comments on different subjects.... all I can say is that on most of them they are all so far to the right that it will take them till November of 2013 to get close to the middle to get me to vote for any of them...
As for Obama,,, he would not be my first choice but he is much better right now than any of the republicans that are running now...
So he's better than Ron Paul, "independent"?
Yeah, I'd say you're as into researching these candidates and the War Criminal in Chief as I am into researching how a brain surgery works - not very into it at all.
If you think Obama is better than Paul, I question you're understanding of all the rights he's diminished since he's been in office and the mass murder he's spread throughout the world.
Obama is not a solution at all! If you like Obama, you will like Romney and vice versa! They both will suck for another 4 years (my opinion).
As As Proindividual said, you must not really have done any research....if you had...you would clearly observe that the only candidate who offers real substance and change to the current admin....the only qualified candidate is Ron Paul.
Please research for real this time....This is an important election!
I could not believe the brown nosing Obama did yesterday in the AIPAC meeting....WHY are we (The United States of America) kissing Israels ass??? Obama was such a pathetic kiss ass....what a wimp!
Pro and mqira - Ron Paul is not a viable candidate. He is not mentioned because he has absolutely no chance of winning. His past extreme stances and his age keep him from being electable.
Obama/Biden 2012
Ron Paul has no impact on the race, he never really did…how could anyone take this man seriously? I suppose PT Barnum was right after all.
Wish all you folks would take a read on Ron Paul. Other than a few things in his foreign policy that I am sure he would revise IF elected , the guy has pretty much the right constituional approach to governing in the USA. I would vote for him in heartbeat if I thought he could win!
But No way will I vote for Sanitarium (nutcase) or (there isn't a cause I can't change to like ) Romney!!!
I can't vote for Obama because of his - in my opinion - unConstitutional stance on most subjects.
Yes, that's your opinion.
Fortunately for the United States it's the opinion of the Supreme Court that counts...we don't decide that as individuals but through the appropriate branch of government.
Rush Limbaugh, is NOT RUNNING FOR POLITICAL OFFICE, is a overpaid "entertainer", that is personally amazed so many people listen to him, let alone CARE what he says or thinks.
America has become a nation of "followers", who need to be told what to think and believe.
Obama is someoone who is "DAMAGED GOODS", who can not run on his political accomplishments. Obama's campaign tries to use people like Rush as a "campagin issue"! Rush has nothing to do with Obama and Obama's accomplishments, nor Romney.
Obama's accomplishments as President!
#1 Today there are 88 million working age Americans that are not employed and that are not looking for employment. That is an all-time record high.
#2 When Barack Obama was elected, the percentage of unemployed Americans that had been out of work for more than 52 weeks was less than 15%. Today, it is above 30%.
#3 There are 1.2 million fewer jobs in America today than there were when Barack Obama was inaugurated.
#4 When Barack Obama first took office, the number of “long-term unemployed workers” in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at 5.6 million.
#5 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is hovering close to an all-time record high.
#6 During the Obama administration, worker health insurance costs have risen by 23 percent.
#7 Since Barack Obama has been president, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States has increased by 90 percent.
#8 Since Barack Obama has been president, home values in the United States have declined by another 13 percent.
#9 Under Barack Obama, new home sales in the U.S. set a brand new all-time record low in 2009, they set a brand new all-time record low again in 2010, and they set a brand new all-time record low once again during 2011.
#10 Since Barack Obama took office, the number of Americans living in poverty has risen by more than 6 million.
#11 Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of Americans on food stamps has increased from 32 million to 46 million.
#12 The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House.
#13 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of Americans living in “extreme poverty” is now sitting at an all-time high.
#14 When Barack Obama first took office, an ounce of gold was going for about $850. Today an ounce of gold costs more than $1700 an ounce.
#15 Since Barack Obama became president, the size of the U.S. national debt has increased by 44 percent.
#16 During Barack Obama’s first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.
#17 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.
#18 The U.S. national debt has been increasing by an average of more than 4 billion dollars per day since the beginning of the Obama administration.
This is a recovery, and things are getting better according to Obama's press releases OR It is all Bush's fault!
I can manipulate statistics to prove my bias as well.
Ruken
Obama does manipulate statistics to make the economy look better than it is!
If you start at point A (year 1, 2009), then get to point D (year 4, 2013) you leave a record of accomplishments!
Above is Obama's! Obama is offering blame, but not solutions!
Can YOU explain how Obama and Company is going to address and pay on the Federal Debt and Deficit, Social Security running out of "payees" in 2015 and is going broke and needs to be "fixed", how a Government making false promises on health care. promises that can not be kept or paid for, will continue to exsist, a government that grows under Obama, that can not be paid for?
The Dems and Libs DEMAND for a exsistence which they can not pay for, their GREED, robbing the future for immediate gratification, has hit the end of the road.
Mike: You have no idea that government acts usually take years to go into effect.
Hint: Obamacare isn't fully in effect yet.
By the way your last few sentences basically invalidate anything you have to say. Get a clue and learn to shed party bias.
Is that liberal silence? Thats the sound of the audience AND baracalypse when Mitt tells the world on live tv
Is that the sound of another Borg drone threatening me with assimilation?
Ruken
Is getting Obama Care passed as THE PRIORITY of Obama, an example of "taking years" for government to act? There was a reason the Republicans won in a LANDSLIDE in 2010 elections, and will do so again in 2012!
Since you like to type, try to explain (not one has so far):
Can YOU explain how Obama and Company is going to address and pay on the Federal Debt and Deficit, Social Security running out of "payees" in 2015 and is going broke and needs to be "fixed", how a Government making false promises on health care. promises that can not be kept or paid for, will continue to exsist, a government that grows under Obama, that can not be paid for?
Poor Mt. Mike: That's all you got? Pay no attention to the right wing nuts who have the Republican Party at their beck and call? It's not REAL damage if women are legally defined as two people the moment an egg is fertilized? It's not REAL damage if access to the contraceptives they pay for in their own insurance is denied? It's not REAL damage if attacks on women as "sluts" should they use birth control are revived? Its not real damage if abortion is legal but completely unavailable because of right wing legislation? The recovery isn't the recovery unless a Republican is in office? Sell it someone who shares your planet...On this one, your great decider actually did exist and did start two wars while bringing this nation to the brink of financial ruin...Most grownups don't have your kind of short term memory loss. And you'll be no doubt shocked, shocked! when Obama's second term begins...
Let's ask Santorum about what he thinks about JFK's speech.
That was priceless.
After Obama's 100 day in office time line had passed, HE said that as of then HE owned the economy of the US.
You don't hear him say that much any more.
AP-1414066 & Ruken
Try to answer the question: Can YOU explain how Obama and Company is going to address and pay on the Federal Debt and Deficit, Social Security running out of "payees" in 2015 and is going broke and needs to be "fixed", how a Government making false promises on health care. promises that can not be kept or paid for, will continue to exsist, a government that grows under Obama, that can not be paid for?
THIS QUESTION, will be THE campaign issue, when Obama has to answer to his record! (not yur running away from or "deflecting" about women or JFK's speech, nor what RUSH said)
That the best you can do Puken? Romney will absolutely destroy Oblamma in any debate, specifically one on economics and finance. You see, why you lefty di#kheads are blathering on about Romney's wealth (and therefore according to lib thinking must make him evil right?), he actually knows how to effectively run something...be it a business or state government. So yuk it up now because BO is going to stink in November. His "record" sucks too much to prove otherwise.
You're right...it IS Bush's fault! Facts are facts.
In many areas, yes...but economcally, no.
Our economy has had flawed ideology since Hamilton...and especially the last 100 years. You can't depreciate the dollar over 96% and think total real compensation raises will keep up. Eventually the middle class and lower class suffer.
Notice, no one who predicted the collapse is working in Washington (in economics), nor was anyone when Bush was in....
...because both Dems and Repubs are Keynesians. They believe the answer to crises are depreciating the dollar. That can only wipe out the middle class as it cannot keep up with inflation on their paychecks. Compensation continues to rise, just not as fast as inflation.
No (or low) inflation, no problem. Hence why central banking has to be ended...or the middle class will be.
K2mn
And Obama, with his grow government mentality, is simply a extension of Bush's policies. Facts are Facts!
Two WRONGS, first Bush, then Obama, do not make a right!
NEXT!
Hey Juice, just which Romney is going to show up? The ones whose common sense told him not to support the Blunt amendment as he stated contraception is none of his business.
Oh wait, the party just got back with him and told him what he really believes.
Do we get Romney or the people who tell him what to think?
You can trust what Romney says for as long as it takes to get out of his mouth. After that all bets are off.
The only right choice for America, Obama/Biden 2012
In the case of the GOP, two wrongs (Santorum and Romney) do make the Right.
It's all Bush's fault. Obama will go down as one of the greatest Presidents ever and Obama haters will go down as boobs in the history books!
NewtISaPIG
Just so many on the left who are out for themselves and who can not read or add!
MtMike - no one needs someone as biased as you spouting your ignorance. I don't know what idiots you know who cannot read and form their own opinions but, if they listen to you they are clearly unintelligent. President Obama is heads above the idiots the far right is running which is why he will win in November.
Clearly you represent the idiots on the right who cannot read or do math.
@Seeking Sanity #16.19,
How do you get by with so many personal attacks ? You call other people "idiots" having different opinions from yourself and then you reference such things as "spouting your ignorance".
Do you mistakenly assume that only liberals have intelligence ?
Mt. Mike made a rather detailed post at #16. Instead of attempting to answer any of his points, you launch into a personal attack. Meanwhile, if a conservative posts a comment even remotely "suggesting" a lack of respect for an opinion, they will be SUSPENDED for a day.
But then again, this is a liberal chat room run by a liberal MSNBC that is totally in bed with Obama.
jim - MtMike's post was not valid as his facts - in reality - are not true. If you bother to check you would know that. And, if you read my post I did not call him an idiot.
jim-1455434 - just read back over some of your posts and you really have a lot of nerve commenting on me. You call people names; post nonsense; pout that other people's posts aren't collapsed. Please!
SeekingSanity
I am more than willing to listen to a rebuttal. Please explain where the facts are wrong. Obama took office in 2009, proclaimed it his economy, his economic decisions, unemployment would stay under 8%, and stated if he could not turn things around, he would be a one term president. Have at it, show me which statements are incorrect, remember the "shovel ready jobs",
Obama's accomplishments as President!
#1 Today there are 88 million working age Americans that are not employed and that are not looking for employment. That is an all-time record high.
#2 When Barack Obama was elected, the percentage of unemployed Americans that had been out of work for more than 52 weeks was less than 15%. Today, it is above 30%.
#3 There are 1.2 million fewer jobs in America today than there were when Barack Obama was inaugurated.
#4 When Barack Obama first took office, the number of “long-term unemployed workers” in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at 5.6 million.
#5 The average duration of unemployment in the United States is hovering close to an all-time record high.
#6 During the Obama administration, worker health insurance costs have risen by 23 percent.
#7 Since Barack Obama has been president, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States has increased by 90 percent.
#8 Since Barack Obama has been president, home values in the United States have declined by another 13 percent.
#9 Under Barack Obama, new home sales in the U.S. set a brand new all-time record low in 2009, they set a brand new all-time record low again in 2010, and they set a brand new all-time record low once again during 2011.
#10 Since Barack Obama took office, the number of Americans living in poverty has risen by more than 6 million.
#11 Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of Americans on food stamps has increased from 32 million to 46 million.
#12 The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House.
#13 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of Americans living in “extreme poverty” is now sitting at an all-time high.
#14 When Barack Obama first took office, an ounce of gold was going for about $850. Today an ounce of gold costs more than $1700 an ounce.
#15 Since Barack Obama became president, the size of the U.S. national debt has increased by 44 percent.
#16 During Barack Obama’s first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.
#17 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.
#18 The U.S. national debt has been increasing by an average of more than 4 billion dollars per day since the beginning of the Obama administration.
This is a recovery, and things are getting better according to Obama's press releases OR It is all Bush's fault! (never Obama's economy and decisions, even after 3 + years of Obama and his administration making decisions)
It's definitely all W. Bush's fault. Without a doubt!!
'Damaged goods' implies that this is something people would want if they were not damaged. 'Toxic waste' is probably a better analogy. Even if it's not toxic people still don't want it around.
In my humble opinion, Republicans lost the presidential election with their breathtaking display of hubris during the debt ceiling debacle. They put the eyes of the country (and the world) on exactly what type of stubborn, ill informed, and basically disingenuous people we have entrusted the future of our country to, and no amount of spin or double talk is going to change that.
The GOP has no plan for the country, and we need a plan. Period.
The seeds for the GOP actions were sown, Nash, the day that Mitch McConnell publicly stated that his ONLY goal was to limit President Obama to one term, regardless of the effect of their actions on the economy and fellow citizens. And NO ONE from his party called him out on it. They showed their true colors then and have only continued to do so.
Nashville_fan--REALLY? So you are just fine with our government continuing to EXPONENTIALLY increasing the national debt every few months?
Guess you don't have kids or grandkids. Or else you just don't CARE that the PAYMENT DUE notice will be dumped IN THEIR LAPS.
I didn't like it when SHRUB was doing that, so why would I like it that Obama is doing it even MORE?
As to that being the Dem PLAN--you remember the old saying about 'being stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the outcome to be any different."
We need to de-couple the words "fiscal" and "conservative" since modern day "conservatives" like Santorum, GIngrich and Cantor voted for millions in earmarks for the Olympics, for their states, for redundent weapon systems, you name it. If it benefits them, even the Tea Party members spend taxpayer money like it grew on trees.
Steeler Fan:
Good morning and great point . . . the GOP declared from the start that they were willing to sell us all down the river to get what they want . . . what's really sad is that our political dialogue has eroded so much that many folks think its "business as usual" . . . says a lot about how little folks have come to expect from a very well paid Congress.
MOmaid:
Please, please, please save the tired old debt/deficit talking points. The GOP is always willing to pay for a new war, questionable energy projects that destroy the envronment, and tax breaks for "corporate people". The days when ya'll can pretend that you care about something other than making money for yourselves is pretty much in the past, as my friend Amy so eloquently stated in her comment.
"Its hot down in Nashville" ?
I think the debates have hurt republicans. It has given enough exposure that their true colors and beliefs have come out. Santorum represents social conservatives (along with Rush), Romney represents fiscal conservatives, Ron Paul represents libertarians and Newt Gingrich represents no one. What you see is what you get. There is no concealed or greater message here. I have not heard them address one problem we have specifically in that I understand their dislike of Obama care but what is their alternatives to the medical delivery mess we have now? I think there is too much welfare but what is the alternative? I think we have too many people in prison but how do we cut crime? I think our schools are not working but what do we do? I don't agree with Obama on many things but at least he has some ideas. I read these guys plans for the budget and the independent appraisers say it would put us in worse shape than we are now. Where is the beef? I don't want to hear about the "personal responsibility" message. If we were all personally responsible we wouldn't be having this discussion. End of story. As a side note, if the contraception argument is about religious freedom does that mean that it is ok to call someone you disagree with a slut and a prostitute? Maybe under those circumstances we need a little less freedom since we obviously can't be trusted with the responsibility.
Where was your outcry when Letterman called Palin's daughter a "Whore" on national TV?
oh it's suppost to be a double standard?
Great post Ron, thank you.
Still not as damaged as barack, cannot wait for Nov, our lady president will go down as the most divisive president ever.
Pony: you win the mysogenist prize for the day. On a topic where the villification of women is the story of the day leading to the Republican Party's coming defeat, your big insult is to call the President a "LADY"?? And you claim HE'S divisive?? Ok now you can go look up mysogenist...and pass a mirror on the way.
pony05 - your lack of intelligence and integrity shine through in your ignorant post. Our President is heads above anyone you would vote for and clearly he is heads above you. What an utter moronic post.
Is this yet ANOTHER inflammatory post, attacking another, from Seeking Sanity ?
jim-1455434 - clearly you are drawn to me. I'm flattered! Oooooh - maybe not!
MSNBC as a mouthpiece of David Axelrod, gives away the crooked Chicago gang's mindset.
This is Good News..amazingly, they are overconfident.
After the worst economic record since Hoover. After overspending so as to bankrupt us. After passing the most unpopular legislation in decades..the massive government takeover known as ObamaCare.
They are overconfident.
They are overconfident.
Actually, you mean W. Bush. Also, have you seen the new T-shirts taking the place of "Virginia is for lovers?"
That's "Virginia: Home of the vaginal probe!"
Hoover's failing was intervening, despite what state schools and our fake media tell you.
Bob in Virginia - an absolutely NOTHING post!
Damaged goods, I'd say so. Record number of Filibusters, the Grover Norquist Pledge, the Paul Ryan Plan, Fighting for the 1% while taking the boots to the middle class, less fortunate, Attacking Women's rights, Gay Rights, damaging and unneeded tax breaks for the rich..................................................................
Seems simple to me.....
The GOP "candidates" we are supposed to vote for all have skeletons in the closet..... some of those skeletons are truly fierce, but the "candidates" want you to forget them.... but trust me, they will eventually come out and bite all of us in the rear.
I strongly propose all Republicans vote for Ron Paul (a Republican running as independent) as he is the only person who has the public at heart - AND, has not participated in any of the $@!# slinging the rest of them have been up to. He does have some weird ideas.... but that's what was said about Reagan when he ran - and our Nation prospered under him. His weird ideas worked!
Reagan raised taxes several times to get our country in order. Ron Paul has sworn no new taxes.
Ron Paul so much has the public at heart that he voted against increasing the minimum wage.
Ron Paul with his great heart had stated he does not want FEMA or any other organization to help states that are destroyed by natural causes.
Ron Paul with his great heart thinks that if you can't afford health care he think you should just die. As he stated we can't be responsible for everyone.
Ron Paul always votes for the 1%. He never met a tax cut he didn't like even after the wars were started and his vote meant increasing the deficit.
Don't be fooled by Ron Paul, he is just another republican who thinks it is his right to make women into second class citizens. Ron Paul is all for freedom and individual rights and smaller government unless you are a woman. Old Ron Paul tows the party line on that one.
The man refuses bodyguards that are paid for by tax dollars. He is for individual rights not group rights. There are no second class citizens their. He has never voted for increasing the deficit. He is against FEMA because FEMA is a disaster and he knows it can be run better if it was Private and not government ran.
Stop listening to the Media and make you own decision instead of regurgitating rhetoric.
I love how people try to bash Ron but have no idea what they are talking about. If you understood the cause of the issue's then you would know that cure. Ron is the only one who speaks the truth when it comes to this.
Will you get off the Ron Paul Posts.
YOU WANT TO SEE A PATHETIC FIELD? Check out the deadwood 1977 democratic nominees. A field so boring yet sinister that mega-lame Carter was the best that rose out of that steaming pile of zombies!
But it didnt matter because it was anyone other than Nixon/Ford. The same with BO, who is most dispised, divisive POTUS ever.
Mess NBC studio pool indicats that 100% of the people are for BO. Liberals are spraying these "feel good" articals that are not based on anything in the realm of reality.
Just pure Utopian wishfull thinking...if you print it enough it is true (just like liberal lies)
The elections are EIGHT MONTHS AWAY. Just two months ago BO was in the can. The economy is going to keep scraping along the bottom.
All the "soft issues" that lib bank on will be old tired news by the Spring
And I love when the heathen libs say that well Bush did it.
I agree...BO is just a Bush chinese fire drill in another direction.
At least Bush had one good term. His second term wass bad because he spent like a drunken liberal.
The GOP has learned its lesson from 2008, but the liberals have not learned theirs from 2010.
I still remember Mess NBC wearing their horse blinders and hanging on to their favorable polls right up to the 2010 disaster.
The only people for BO are the ones who cant take of themselves: SPANDEX STRETCHING, SNEERING ENTITLED AND THUG POTBELLIED UNIONS (AND THEIR FAMILIES)..most of whom CHEW TAX DOLLARS AND WOULDNT last but a few monts in the private sector.
AN ECONOMY THAT TANKED ONE MONTH BEFORE THE ELECTIONS is the only reason why BO got in ... a total fluke.
An incumbant POTUS running unapposed has never lost a presidential election...A silent tida wave is coming that will instigate the GREATEST POLITICAL UPSET IN HISTORY.
There is a price for not learning your lesson. WHAT GOT BO IN WILL GET BO OUT.
Bo sticks out his sunken chest and leads from behind...THATS WHAT PEOPLE WITH POOR/NON-EXISTENT LEADERSHIP SKILLS DO.
Butterfly:
You are going to be disappointed. Barack Obama is going to win re-election, and do so handily.
The Republican Party, already mulling along with a weak slate of primary candidates, have self-destructed since mid-February, unable to put aside these social issues in a year when the economy is THE #1 issue.
Oh, and another thing: Obama winning in 2008 was NOT a fluke. He won because he was the best candidate. And it is why he will win in November 2012 as well.
You must have a lifetime subscription to "Lies,Lies,Lies" (aka Repugnant Talking points) and have ingrained in your brain(?) Faux news to list the junk you call facts. The field of mindless clowns that are supposed to be a field of candidates for national office is totally pathetic and totally worthless. The positions they take are the opposite of what this country wants and needs, and have the blinders on to anything that is close to the truth. I'd suggest you crawl back into your cocoon and dream of ""W" on his ranch in Tx watching the paint dry.
The best way to "tank" the economy, which is what you all Repu-gnant-blicans are wishing, is to get a bunch of your kind in one single place, pour tar on the group, and sprinkle profusely with feathers.
But you are so dumbs that wou would bring matches and gas too. Therefore disregard this advice.
Wait !!! Wait !!! What if I told you that Obama will be sitting in the middle of your group???
Will your hate be stronger than your instinct of survival???
To hate or not to hate, that is the question !
Quite the statement..Why does the right seem to think that Democrats or anyone else that supports and respects our President are nothing short of losers. I could make a case that the majority of liberal Democrats are quite well off and in some cases some of the richest American's in the United States.
Another thing I have met more fellow Ex-Republicans like me that do not agree with ANYTHING the Republican Party stands for.
Butterfly - in your small mind President Obama is the most hated President ever. He is only hated by those too ignorant to think for themselves - those who listen to the little minds of the far right. The ignorance of your post says it all.
Everyone I know who supports President Obama works and provides for themselves, then gives to help those whose lives are less fortunate. We are all real people, working hard, paying taxes, supporting ourselves and actually thinking for ourselves. We refuse to be frightened by the small minds - like yours - who lie and try to frighten people who might actually take a moment to read their nonsense. Yes, fools may be impressed by you but, luckily, there are millions who see right through your ignorance and hatred.
Too much Faux News. Obviously, you did not bother reading up on why the economy tanked, and how it was well on its way to a major depression when Obama came in. But for the massive spending made necessary by GOP failed policies, ie: Deregulation, and hands off of the job creators as they gutted the middle class and accumulated massive amounts of wealth, and Bush's failure to take steps to slow down the overheated mortgatge market, and enforce the regulatory laws in effect, we would still be in the middle of a GOP Great Depression. So, complain and gripe about Obama's spending, but remember, but for the last 8 years of GOP tax cuts, two wars, and deregulation of our financial sectors and the Stock markets, over half of that spending would not have been necessary. As it is, the GOP has fielded a lackluster group of candidates, who have no clue how to rebuild our economy, so lackluster that we have gone through the flavor of the week how many times now? For the GOP, their plan for our recovery has been block and stall every attempt of Obama to cut spending to work out a long term balanced budget, (Remember the Debt Ceiling Debacle? That only cost investers over 2 Trillion dollars in lost market values, but Boehner crowed "We got 99% of what we wanted!) This, even though Obama offered the Tea Party Congress almost 4 trillion in spending cuts, but asked for tax increases for the top 2%, which was rejected, as they were claiming that higher taxes slow job creation, another GOP lie, look what Clinton did with a little cooperation from what was once the real GOP instead of a group of radicals who put their own agenda first, over Nation and its people.
By the way, did you read about the CEO who claimed that journalists earning 32K a year average are overpaid, yet how many millions a year did he rake in? Wasn't it around 35 Million a year. These are the guys the GOP is protecting, the "job creators" who have only accumulated more and more wealth, which accumulaitons the Nation has subsidized with three GOP Adminsitrations failed tax cut theories and corresponding accumulating deficits.
The GOP has no solutions, only a raging desire to gain more power any way it can. Luckily, it has the Faithful, who will believe anything Fox news, Murdock, Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin tell them. Party first, Nation and its people Last!!!
Limpdick might have gotten away with the two words, but throw in the sex tape BS. Makes you wonder why people still support him. Maybe those supporters will post their sex tapes. Guess they don't want to mention that, do they? Wonder why, is it because there is no defence for that?
If his supporters look anything like Limbaugh, I would rather gouge out my eyes than watch said tapes.
Send me your address, I will get a fork in the mail right away. Idiots like you can only see through rose colored glasses anyway.
SallyAnn---how creepy is it that Rush told Ms. Fluke to send sex tapes to him to watch?! Even in jest that is creepy.
And where did they get the idea that anyone expects the government to pay for birth control? This is a discussion over coverage by insurance plans v. co-pays.
Like I sad, Rush and his boob supporters act like pigs.
Rush is WAAAYYY out of line. No excuse for that line no matter what point he is trying to make.
How about Bill Maher calling Palin a c nt? Maher said he could because he has no sponsors.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/03/03/maher-responds-limbaugh-i-can-call-palin-c-word-because-i-dont-have-s
OldSchoolLatinTeacher - I did not hear Maher but if he said what you are posting - he was totally out of line, just like Rush.
Sarah Palin is a public figure, and fair game by comedians (look it up) Sandra Fluke is a college student, voicing her opinion at a Congressional hearing.
Rush is on public airwaves, and Bill Maher is on HBO, people have to pay to watch him!
Jo-An -- you are absolutely right although I still would have had a problem with Maher saying that. I just hate that word when it is used to describe a woman. It really turns my stomach. But, you're right - Palin put herself and her family out there as often as she could.
Ya know...maybe I should start donating to that Down Syndrome charity after all..........
I agree, but I have googled Bill Maher, calling Palin a "slut", and have yet to find a link...some one told me he didn't use the word "slut" per say, but referred to her in some term that could be "seen as" calling her such....click on the link, oldlatinschoolteacher posted, and IT doesn't even have a youtube of Maher calling Palin a "slut"...hmmmmm....
Letterman is also being "called out" for calling Palin a "slut", in reality, he referred to "slutty airline hostess makeup" in one of his "top ten"things...
Completely different than Rush calling a college student a "slut" and "prostitute" AND suggesting they make "video tapes"....eewwwww... get's creepier by the minute!
Hate to burst your bubble but Rush did not flat out say she was a "slut" people should listen to the entire lines and the context they were put in. Yes he should not have done it, however she needs to be forthright as to the reasons that she was speaking in favor of this and why it was that she had chosen to attend Georgetown University! People are calling out Rush yet she is pushing her own agenda also...
Yeah, Rush is all about subtle context dialogue, right?
Direct quote from Limbaugh:
"What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic] who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex -- what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."
There is a big differece Jo-An. Bill is a comedian and Rush is not.
Rush is much more humorous than a scumbag like Bill Maher.
If you think Limbaugh is humorous then you're just as sick as he is. Bill Maher is a comedian and a liberal.
the fact that you think a person who thinks and has a different opinion than you is a scumbag explains why you think Limbaugh is funny. It's called low intellect.
Actually, Maher is consistently much more blatantly insulting and obscene that Rush has ever been.
Not to excuse Rush, but the hypocrisy of the Left is astounding!
But maher is funny, while limbaugh is merely a fat bag of pus who appeals to fat bags of pus in texas, and the missouri legislature
Maher is only "funny" if you enjoy obscene insults against women who are Conservatives or anyone who believes in God.
Hence, the hypocrisy of the Left.