Romney wins ugly in Michigan… But that win silences the talk about a white knight riding to the GOP’s rescue… February took a toll on Romney… Did Santorum lose Michigan more than Romney winning it?... On to Super Tuesday… And Snowe’s retirement gives Democrats a better than 50%-50% chance of holding the Senate in November.

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Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney addresses supporters at his Michigan primary night rally in Novi, Michigan, February 28, 2012.
*** Winning ugly: With so much riding on last night's outcome in Michigan, Mitt Romney got exactly what he needed to avoid political disaster -- a win. After all, a win is a win, and Romney pocketed two of them with a blow-out victory in Arizona (47%-27% over Rick Santorum) and a nail-biter in Michigan (41%-38%). But it wasn’t pretty for the former Massachusetts governor in the state where he grew up, where his father had served as governor, and where he won by nine percentage points in 2008. If this were college football, last night’s Michigan contest was akin to the No.2-ranked team in the country winning on a last-second field goal (the score 41-38) against an unranked opponent at home, on Homecoming. That No. 2 team survives, gets to regroup, and keeps its championship hopes alive. But the way it won -- UGLY -- despite all of its advantages raises doubts among the sports writers and even fans about its chances against the No. 1 team. Then again, the goal is to make it to the BCS game and see what happens. And Romney essentially did that by winning in Michigan last night.
*** But that win silences the talk about a white knight riding to the rescue: The biggest impact of Romney’s narrow victory in Michigan: It silences the talk of a white knight riding to the GOP’s rescue. While such an outcome might not have occurred even if Romney lost -- was a Christie/Daniels/Jeb Bush really going to jump in this late in the game? -- last night pretty much closed the door on that kind of speculation, even if Romney struggles next week on Super Tuesday (which is entirely possible). The other result: It drives home the point to all that Romney has PLENTY of work to do to close the deal with rank-and-file conservatives and convince his party that he can be a strong nominee. At his media avail yesterday in Michigan, Romney admitted that. "The candidate sometimes makes some mistakes, and so I'm trying to do better and work harder and make sure that we get our message across." Yet Romney also appears to have a message problem and a campaign problem. (Does the campaign appear competent because it is, or does it look that way in comparison to the other GOP campaigns?) And the campaign has to ask itself: How did they come this close to disaster… in MICHIGAN????
*** February took a toll on Romney: As we end the month of February, it’s worth noting the toll it took on Romney. When February began, the Conventional Wisdom was that it was tailor-made for the former Massachusetts governor. It started right after Romney’s big win in Florida; the only two big primaries in the month were on Romney turf (Michigan and Arizona); it featured just one debate (preventing a Gingrich or even Santorum from using it to build momentum); and in between were minor contests (in Colorado, Minnesota, and Missouri) that no one would pay attention to. But here’s what happened: Victories in those supposed minor contests gave Santorum all the momentum he needed to give Romney a run for his money in Michigan; Romney committed numerous verbal gaffes (“I’m not concerned about the very poor,” two Cadillacs, NASCAR team owners); his staff made mistakes (the Ford Field speech); and national polls showed an erosion of support from independent voters. Bottom line: He started the month looking strong and ends it looking weak.
*** Team Romney turns its attention to Obama: The Romney campaign has a new web video -- also serving as a fundraising solicitation -- that turns its attention to President Obama and notes how Team Obama and its Democratic allies tried to help defeat Romney in Michigan. Speaking of fundraising solicitations… Romney made what appears to be his first primary-night pitch for supporters to actually go to his website and give money. As we've been reporting for the last week, there is reason to believe Romney has a money problem, and we know he does not want to write a check like he did four years ago. It is amazing, by the way, that the frontrunner for the GOP nomination is likely to have fewer individual donors than two of his opponents (Santorum and Paul) when the next reports come out (March 20).
Top Talkers: Mitt Romney takes home two wins in Michigan and Arizona after the state's primaries, and the Morning Joe panel – including Time's Mark Halperin, MSNBC's Michael Steele, and Random House's Jon Meacham – discusses Romney's win and why Santorum didn't walk away with Michigan the way some expected.
*** Did Santorum lose Michigan? As for Santorum, you could make the argument that he lost Michigan more than Romney winning it. In past contests, we’ve seen the Romney campaign destroy all of its opponents. But in this case, Santorum hurt himself with self-inflicted wounds. His debate performance in Arizona. His college/snob line. His attack on JFK’s 1960 speech. Just look at the exit polls in Michigan: Romney crushed Santorum among “somewhat conservatives,” 50%-32%. That suggests he turned off rank-and-file Republicans who might not be excited about Romney, but who aren’t as conservative as Santorum and were turned off by the rhetoric. Next week’s Super Tuesday contest in Ohio becomes a must-win proposition if Santorum wants to be the GOP nominee or even simply REMAIN the chief alternative. The good news for him: It’s more than doable. Polls taken before last night’s contests show him ahead in the Buckeye State; the demographics there are very similar what we saw in Michigan; and Romney doesn’t have a built-in advantage in the state. But here’s the bad news: Romney’s victories last night could give him the momentum that he needs to erase Santorum’s lead. What’s more, Romney and his allies currently enjoy a 6-to-1 ad spending advantage in Ohio (see below) when that edge was just 2-to-1 in Michigan -- and even smaller than that in the final week of the contest.
*** The delegate battle: Here’s one final point about Michigan: NBC News can declare that Romney and Santorum have each won six of Michigan’s congressional districts, giving them 12 delegates. (And when you add the one at-large delegate each won, they stand at 13 each.) But there are two undecided districts (the 5th and 13th) -- one where Romney is leading by some 60 votes (with more to be counted), and one where Santorum is up some 40 votes. So, yes, it's still possible for Santorum to win more delegates in Michigan than Romney.
*** On to Super Tuesday: So now we move to next week’s Super Tuesday contests -- and even before that the Washington caucuses this Saturday. The big Super Tuesday prize is Ohio, given that it seems all the candidates (sans Paul) will be campaigning there. And here is the early campaigning strategy: Romney stumps in Ohio (today and Friday), North Dakota (Thursday), Idaho (Thursday), and Washington state (Thursday); Santorum heads to Tennessee (today) and Ohio (Friday); Gingrich hits Georgia (today, Thursday, and on Super Tuesday); and Paul campaigns in Washington state (Thursday, Friday, and Saturday), Alaska (Saturday and Sunday), and Idaho (Monday and Tuesday). By the way, keep an eye on Tennessee. It's the ONE Southern State on Super Tuesday -- excluding Virginia -- where Romney could overperform. And if he wins it, he could actually begin to put this nomination away for good.
*** Super Tuesday ad spending: As in the other contests, Romney and his allies have a sizable spending edge in the Super Tuesday states.
Ohio: Restore Our Future $2.25 million; Romney $1.2 million; Winning Our Future $498,000; Santorum $275,000; Red, White and Blue Fund $255,000
Georgia: Restore Our Future $1.5 million; Winning Our Future $1.1 million; Romney $327,000; Santorum $152,000; Gingrich $15,000
Tennessee: Restore Our Future $915,000; Winning Our Future $464,000; Santorum $130,000; Gingrich $3,000
Oklahoma: Restore Our Future $378,000; Winning Our Future $323,000; Santorum $90,000, Romney $8,000; Gingrich $2,000
Idaho: Romney $37,000
TOTAL: Restore $5 million; Romney $1.5 million; Winning $2.4 million; Santorum $647,000; Red, White and Blue $225,000; Gingrich $20,000
*** On the trail, per NBC’s Adam Perez: Romney hosts two events in Ohio, rallying in Toledo and Bexley… Gingrich remains in Georgia, making stops in Atlanta, Covington and Gainseville… Santorum rallies in Nashville, TN… And Paul hits Washington, DC.
*** Two points on Snowe’s retirement: We want to make two points about Olympia Snowe’s retirement announcement yesterday. One, it gives Democrats a better than 50%-50% chance of holding the Senate in November. If Democrats win in Maine and Massachusetts, then they’ve moved the bar to Republicans needing to win five seats (if Obama loses) and six (if he wins). We can see how Republicans get to four (North Dakota, Nebraska, Montana, and Missouri). And we can see how they maybe get to five (adding Virginia or Wisconsin or Ohio). But six? That would mean that Republicans would need to win in a New Mexico or a Florida or a Michigan. It's a tall order; they didn't sweep all the toss-ups in 2010, which was a much BETTER landscape for the GOP. Two, Snowe’s stated reason for not seeking re-election in 2012 -- increased polarization in the Senate -- couldn’t have been scripted better by David Plouffe or David Axelrod. “I do find it frustrating … that an atmosphere of polarization and 'my way or the highway' ideologies has become pervasive in campaigns and in our governing institutions," she said yesterday. There’s a reason why President Obama released a statement on Snowe’s announcement yesterday when he didn’t do the same for other announced GOP senators (Kyl and Hutchison).
*** The latest GOP aisle-crosser to leave the Senate: And by the way, Snowe is just the latest of the regular Republican aisle-crosser to leave the Senate (by retirement or loss) since 2008. Here are some of the others: Bob Bennett, George Voinovich, Judd Gregg, Arlen Specter (though he switched parties), Mel Martinez, Chuck Hagel, Gordon Smith, and John Warner. And get this: Susan Collins now becomes the last remaining Senate Republican who voted for the stimulus back in 2009.
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Since President Obama took office - the stock market has gone up over 56%.
Yesterday the Dow closed at 13,000 for the first time since May 19, 2008.
We've had 10 straight quarters of GDP growth.
Auto sales (up by 11% in January) are growing so rapidly that Detroit is hustling to keep pace:
Three years after the auto industry nearly conked out for good, 12.8 million cars & trucks were sold last year. The projection is that 14 million will be sold in 2012.
Automakers hiring thousands of workers across the country, adding shifts, and 13,000 jobs more in 2012. Total of 717,000 jobs have been added in the car and parts industries.
Three years after filing bankruptcy in 2009, General Motors now exceeds its peak mid-1990s earnings.
General Motors: Now the world's biggest automaker. With $7.6 Billion in profits - the highest in GM's 103 year history. And 47,500 employees will receive $7,000 in profit-sharing.
Chrysler : Sales increased by 44 percent, faster than any other car company; goals include increasing revenue to $65 billion in 2012, a gain of 18 percent to an overall profit of $1.5 billion.
Ford: Investing $Billions and planning to bring thousands of jobs home to the U.S.A.
In 2008, four hundred thousand auto industry jobs were lost. Chrysler and GM were basically toast.
President Obama rescued more than a million jobs by intervening, and helping the auto industry re-tool & re-structure.
Manufacturing: 50,000 manufacturing jobs added in January - the highest monthly gain since 1998.
334,000 jobs created in the last 2 years = 21 consecutive months of job gains = largest 2-year job growth in 26 years: After 12 consecutive years of jobs losses in manufacturing, orders rose 81.6 percent in the Midwest region in 2011 - the strongest year since the 1990s. U.S. factories must add even more workers to keep up with current pace of output. Last month manufacturing sector employees worked an average of 41.9 hours per week, a post war high.
Only time that figure was higher was between 1942-5, when factories were working overtime on war products (42 hours per week average).
Lowest employment rate in 3 years: January was 7th straight month of adding a minimum of 100,000 jobs per month.
Best job creation rate for 2011 in 6 years, and second best in 12 years.
Housing sales are UP: West 8.4%, Mid-west 14.1%, North-East 3.7%, South 9.1%
When a "win" isn't a win:
The results in Michigan are in: Romney gets 41% of the votes and Santorum obtained 38%. Last night Romney's talking point was "We didn't win by a lot, but we won by enough". Looking at how delegates will be distributed, both candidates will likely get the same amount. In light of not breaking the 50% barrier and getting the same number of delegates as Santorum, Mitt Romney really didn't do all that well.
The Romney camp wants to set the expectations low so that any kind of a victory looks good. But in fact it's not about expectations; it's about separation. Using Romney's own words, "We didn't win by a lot" reveals that he acknowledges the margin of victory just wasn't that great. Two other factors are in play here: 1) Romney outspent Santorum over 2-1, and 2) Santorum isn't the strongest candidate in the world. In fact, his off-the-wall comments make him one of the weakest candidates in the GOP. So, beating Santorum by three percentage points in his home state is not something Romney can boast about.
The primaries will go on, both Romney and Santorum will rip and tear at each other and the schism between moderates and conservatives will be more apparent. It's looking like whoever wins the GOP nomination will have a hollow victory. Republican Party insiders do have plenty to worry about. As John McCain recently said, "The Republican primary race is like watching a Greek tragedy". On this point John, you are absolutely correct.
In a never ending quest to use their platforms to advance their own political agenda, a key storyline the MSM is trying to foist on us is the notion of a rebounding economy. Yes indeed, our new normal of unemployment over 8% and GDP growth staggering along at around 2% constitutes an economic recovery for which the masses should be eternally grateful. And the deserving recipient of our gratitude should be none other than the great one himself, one of the four best presidents of all time by his own estimation.
What a bunch of absolute hogwash. It is astonishing beyond belief that anyone but the lowest of low information voters would be persuaded by that nonsense. The fact is we are experiencing the worst economic recovery in our lifetimes. Obama fanboys like to compare current economic performance to where we were when Bush left office, the only economic comparison in the known universe that can be manipulated to portray Obama in a favorable light. But when it comes to such a fundamental pocketbook issue, grading on a curve doesn't cut it. The standard for success is not a relative comparison of where we are now to where we were before, but an absolute comparison of where we are today to where we should be at this stage of a recovery. And our historical experience shows we should be in the second year of a BOOMING recovery by now.
Needless to say, we're not there yet. And to drive that point home folks might need to be reminded that in the second year of the Reagan recovery from the steep 1981-82 recession the economy blasted out 6.8% growth. That was the highest growth rate in 50 years, a performance that put the country firmly on the path towards a generation of economic prosperity. By contrast, today we're looking at a lost generation where persistently high unemployment levels are eroding worker's skills as well as their individual dignity – with no end in sight. Yet somehow we're all supposed to be grateful for this state of affairs and show our gratitude by reelecting the man who has presided over this economic and social disaster.
A wise man once said there's a sucker born every minute. Obama and his MSM partners will be working overtime to ensure that truism is reaffirmed in November – because snake oil is their only hope.
New slogan, Winning Ugly VS Winning The Future...
Cool suave and smart president VS a clumsy riot inciter that has fired thousands. Their records will speak for themselves and it's a no brainer. President Obama wins hands down.
WTF!!
It's a No Contest
Winning Ugly Indeed!
Willard carpet bombed the State of MI which also happens to be the state of his birth, with millions of dollars and only managed to squeak out a 3% margin of victory! lol
Oh well, at least Team Willard can shelve the it's the Democrats fault I lost excuse!
Watching Willard beg for cash while hyperventilating through his 'victory' speech was hysterical!
As for Santorum, anyone know how many women signed the Declaration of Independence?
I'm suffering from a *popcorn* hangover this morning! lol
“President-elect Willard “Mitt” Romney” 11/07/12
OUCH!!!!
That's gotta hurt the FR lefty liberals. I am looking forward to a full day of entertaining laughs as the FR lefty liberals try to spin yesterday’s primary results. Even better will be watching the spin from the MSDNC prime time Stooges like Shemp Mathews on Wiffleball (especially after he endorsed Santorum on his show a week or two ago), De Rev. Al’s Comedy Hour and that talking horses-a$$, Mr. Ed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Backhouse and Ron both your posts speak truth.
Loose Lips (Santorum) and the Cadillac man( Romney) prove once again just how dissatified the country is with these two jokers
Unfortunately, republican politicians do not believe President Obama is doing a good job.
That's why their win is a Laughfest.
Hey, it's not only Republicans who have a direct line to God. I know it seems that way, what with Rick getting the low-down on the right kind of sex. Here's Newt telling us about his special relationship with God - so special that he can break God's rules and still be forgiven. Here's Mitt with his special insights into undergarments, abortion, and all kinds of good stuff - straight from God.
Well, there's good news. I happened to be fishing the other day, and from my hidden vantage point I saw a couple of old-timers having quite the discussion. Herewith, in beautiful poetic terms, I present the events as they unfolded:
Two wise old men basked in the noonday sun,
solving life's problems to the very last one.
Was it genetics or was it culture, or maybe a touch of each?
Was life a picnic at the shore, or was life a beach?
Could ten-thousand angels dance on the head of a pin?
Would one characterize life as no-lose or no-win?
Were black and white, colors opposed, or did they meet somewhere?
Was life simply a circle, or a move from here to there?
Did man evolve from ape, or was there a master plan?
Was there a God of omniscience who gave the earth to man?
Was man meant to be bigamous, or mate for life with one?
Was man just another animal, or was he second to none?
As the old men spoke the heavens spread, and God met their wide-eyed stares.
His eyes were lightning, thunder his voice, as he roared, "Who freakin' cares?!?!?"
In a never ending quest to use their platforms to advance their own political agenda, a key storyline the MSM is trying to foist on us is the notion of a rebounding economy. Yes indeed, our new normal of unemployment over 8% and GDP growth staggering along at around 2% constitutes an economic recovery for which the masses should be eternally grateful. And the deserving recipient of our gratitude should be none other than the great one himself, one of the four best presidents of all time by his own estimation.
What a bunch of absolute hogwash. It is astonishing beyond belief that anyone but the lowest of low information voters would be persuaded by that nonsense.
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See post #1.0 above.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ford's CEO Alan Mulally said:
"if GM and Chrysler would have gone into freefall bankruptcy, they would have taken the supply base down and taken the industry down plus maybe turned the U.S. recession into a depression."
President Obama, 250% "Pro-Business" President.
If anyone needed proof that the Barry admin doesn’t care about rising gas prices, and, in fact, may be welcoming them, then they can look at the Congressional testimony of the moron that fast-tracked the Solyndra dollars for donors loan guarantee to one of Barry’s 2008 campaign cash bundlers, Energy Dept Secretary Chu. I love it when they are promoting electric vehicles because they are really advocating vehicles that are powered by burning coal in the plants that produce the electricity.
Try this one on lefty liberals: “I, Barry Obama, strongly support more cars that run on burned coal as an alternative to gasoline powered combustion engines.”
Moron.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From Politico:
Chu: DOE aims to wean U.S. off oil
By: Alex Guillen
February 28, 2012 06:37 PM EST
The Energy Department isn’t working to lower gasoline prices directly, Secretary Steven Chu said Tuesday after a Republican lawmaker scolded him for his now-infamous 2008 comment that gas prices in the U.S. should be as high as in Europe.
Instead, DOE is working to promote alternatives such as biofuels and electric vehicles, Chu told House appropriators during a hearing on DOE’s budget.
But Americans need relief now, Rep. Alan Nunnelee (R-Miss.) said — not high gasoline prices that could eventually push them to alternatives.
“I can’t look at motivations. I have to look at results. And under this administration the price of gasoline has doubled,” Nunnelee told Chu.
Joe in Albany
OUCH!!!!
I am looking forward to a full day of entertaining laughs as the FR lefty liberals try to spin yesterday’s primary results. Even better will be watching the spin from the MSDNC prime time Stooges like Shemp Mathews on Wiffleball (especially after he endorsed Santorum on his show a week or two ago), De Rev. Al’s Comedy Hour and that talking horses-a$$, Mr. Ed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joee , you little elf, more people are laughing @ U
By the way, David. LOVED your condescending, elitist, snobbish rant agaisnt Kansans yesterday. You even graced us with that lame-ass "they vote against their own self interests" crap. ONE MORE TIME ...Who the **** are YOU to know what other people's self interests are????? Ahhh, I forgot. You're smarter than they are. Thank you for again, simultaneously questioning why and then EXPLAINING why, middle Americans can't stand liberals. All in the same rant! Beautiful.
Ron, thanks for those points this a.m.
Mr. Romney out-spent Mr. Santorum 2-1 and beat him by four points and Mr. Romney was in his home state. Seems the combat will not end any time soon.
LouisJ
New slogan, Winning Ugly VS Winning The Future...
Cool suave and smart president VS a clumsy riot inciter that has fired thousands. Their records will speak for themselves and it's a no brainer. President Obama wins hands down.
WTF!!
It's a No Contest
Indeed,
The sad part is they know they are losing on every issue , religion, women's right's civil rights, education, infrastructure, taxes, and most of all J-O-B-S
The GNOPee are truly ugly.
Well even though Mitt squeaked out a W in Michigan he still lost... Who only gets 41% of the vote in their home state and calls that a win? Looks like the Weather Vane had better start mending some fences back home.
Whoops, I opened the 'Ignoring author' of Damage123. An I have to say, just as crazy as ever. Oh well.
Romney wins MI, but by only 3% points. His "home" State. I call that a squeaker. It will be enough to keep the "Big Boys" from jumping into the race. Besides, their too smart, their waiting for 2016, they know they (or anyone else) isn't going to beat President Obama in the upcoming election.
Obama in 2012.
Enjoyed the terrific. informative and thought provoking posts today from Backhouse, Ron and other leftie liberal leaning folks. Then there was Bill, Fairfax, who continues his Reagan love by comparing the normal economic recession Reagan inherited to the total collapse of every aspect of the American economy in 2008 which was a near 2nd Great Depression--they cannot be compared in any way, shape or form. Albany Joe insists that leftie liberals are "hurt" because Romney barely won Michigan--now that is worthy of a HAHAHAHAHAHA; leftie liberals afraid of Willard, HAHAHAHA.
And then I read David Walker's wonderfully humorous poem and the sun which had been glimmering behind clouds came out of hiding completely.
Obama/Biden 2012!!!! Yes, we Can!
David, fun post!
The answer - is Right Now.
Now that Willard won by an impressive margin in his birth state, does someone know if he will give an interview to anyone other then Dumb Fux News?
Gotcha Gregory mentioned last Sunday that MTP has repeatedly asked him to come on the show...
What is the Golden Boy so terrified of?
California Tom - Not to worry CA. He'll be carrying it in November as well.
Joe:
Ever wonder why the Main Stream Media is so named?
It is for people - and we must assume by your monicker, MSM, the majority of people - to form opinions by referring to a variety of Main Stream sources.
To argue that you get more truthful reporting from extreme polarizing sources is counter intuitive.
The indications are that Obama has carefully steered us on a road to recovery following a disastrous recession. You are entitled to disagree with Backhouse's assertions but I cannot understand why you are not happy about this successful direction.
And the proof is: the tornado missed you.
Belfast Lad - Tomato Tomato - It's all about perspective. You say he has steered us on a road to recovery. I say he has held us on the edge of the precipice. In November we'll see who's perspective gets the most votes.
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"..........Lowest employment rate in 3 years: January was 7th straight month ofadding a minimum of 100,000 jobs per month.
Best job creation rate for 2011 in 6 years, and second best in 12 years. .........."
While you're at it,why don't you also talk about how 2010's unemployment figure of 9.6% was the HIGHEST since Ronald Reagan was President in 1982, and it was 3.8% HIGHER that George Bush's last year in office (2008)
Also, your post about the number of consecutive months with job gains is a BOLD FACED LIE. The numbers of jobs LOST during this administration is STAGGERING!
Its one thing to cheerlead for your candidate. It's altogether entirely different to LIE about his "accomplishments.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, almost 276,000 jobs were LOST duringt he first two years of Obama's administration.
Please don't even try to prop Obama up as a great "economic" President.
Because he hasn't done SQUAT for the economy.
It's so ridiculous as to be OBSCENE that anyone would try to make this guy out to be an economic guru.
Take a good look around you. You're either completely blind, or you have you head buried up your ass.
I always wonder what color 'ribbon' Mr. Me First Fairfaux will chose to wrap up his steaming pile of crap!
Today, I see, he chose; John Boehner Orange! lol
Backhouse: Excellent post this morning. You are #1 in my book. Well said, well done.
So true Feisty. He just want do an interview with a real network. I can't wait for the President to get him on the debate stage.
Apparently a lot of Santorum fans voted for Romney, because they believe Romney has a better chance at beating Obama.
This Anyone But Obama thing is malarky. Obama is further to the right than Reagan.
These people clearly, do not like the man.
I have news for you -- Obama has succeeded in spite of your bigotry.
The only problem is, refusing to do interviews outside of his comfort zone, is going to blow up in the faces of the GNOP Grand Poobah's...
Just like it did with Bible Spice!
Willard; "I can see the right heights trees from my $20 million Malibu beachfront porch"! lmao
We can do it................and to your post I would add,the President is the better candidate by far.
Its funny Bill, what I don't understand is how could you say comparing our current economic situation to Regan's gives a more accurate comparison to comparing it to Bush? I am sure the global impact was just as strong then too. There were just as many if not more multi national conglomarates too, right? World-wide demand for natural resources was probably the same as well I suppose. Dont forget those high frquency trades and their effect on the stock market back then too. Oh and capital gains taxes were probably 15% so demand for Financial jobs and icome were just as high right?
They were two different times and though yes they can be compared I don't see how you can say it a better comparison then to the bush era. It's not that we are fanboys it just makes more sense.
As to Romney winning, hey I'm rooting for him. It would prove to me the GOP has not completely lost it. Though I think Santorum would make the easier win, don't forget once he is the candidate there is a possibility he wins the election. I would rather have Romney than Santorum so at the end of the day I would at least prefer his name on the ballot. However, I will be rooting for the President.
FR: Romney winning ugly on a last second field goal – during HOMECOMING! Romney needs to close the deal with conservatives. Romney needs to convince his party he can be a strong nominee.
Good grief FR, your cup of anti-Romney spin runneth over. Here's a reality check: come November, who do you think conservatives will vote for, Romney or Obama? Even you guys should get the answer to that one right, but there's even more to this deal. The breadth and depth of dissatisfaction with Obama throughout the country makes ANY Republican candidate stronger than they might otherwise be. And in Romney's case, it makes him plenty strong enough to carry the day.
So don't confuse the battle for the nomination with the war for the ultimate prize. In the Fall, all corners of the Republican Party will be focused on Job One which is defeating Obama. And any suggestion that some disaffected conservatives would risk another four years of Obama by sitting out that fight is just a bridge to nowhere in a bogus narrative.
Happy Homecoming.
Feisty -- You make a great point. When will Romney do interviews with the mainstream media? It's strange that he has only granted a few. One would think a presidential candidate worth their salt would want to reach a wider audience with their message. What are his handler's worried about? His message? His inability to relate? His habit of saying the wrong things? It's all of the above, likely.
I call BULLS**T on the Democrats!
Basically you all like ugly wins when it is your candidate and you whine when it isn't yours. Not like Republicans don't do the same thing, but please, it is so obvious it hurts.
A Santorum loss is a win for Republicans who want a sane party. And its a win for non-nutjob Democrats, who realize that a better Presidential race is what this country is about. Do you have to like or vote for Romney? No, but....
IF YOU WANTED SANTORUM TO WIN SO YOU COULD HAVE AN EASY ELECTION, YOU ARE JUST A DEMOCRATIC VERSION OF SANTORUM.
Yes, in other words, get over it, you lost your mind just as much as a person who thinks people who go to college are snobs. Yes, that was you talking. I know you thought it was Santorum. You didn't say the same words, but you acted just as crazy and inane.
I'm not going to come down on people who want to criticize Romney philisophically. But First Read is full of fume breathers from the extremes and the sooner everybody fesses up to that, the better. Its step 1 to recovery, you know, admitting you have a problem...
Albany Joe insists that leftie liberals are "hurt" because Romney barely won Michigan--now that is worthy of a HAHAHAHAHAHA; leftie liberals afraid of Willard, HAHAHAHA.
And then I read David Walker's wonderfully humorous poem and the sun which had been glimmering behind clouds came out of hiding completely.
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Earth calling Jody. Come in Jody......
Earth calling Jody. Come in Jody.
You're kinda cute when you are posting from the dreamworld of Planet Liberal, or, as you call it "Iowa". :~)
Bill Fairfax VA:
And another fact that the reason it's the slowest recovery in our lifetimes is because it follows the WORST recession in our lifetimes. Recovering from pneumonia generally takes a lot longer than recovering from a head cold. And the Republicans' voodoo economics ideology gave the economy a very serious case of pneumonia. But that's a fact that Bill won't acknowledge. Probably he'll just whine about blaming Bush and the Repubs for the things for which they are to blame.
Dont_carry_it_all
The reason is obvious: Mittens goes into meltdown when he has to answer even moderately tough questions. Remember the hissy fit he threw in his disastrous interview on Fox News, of all places?
That's my idea of a great news day!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Bill -- I guess when one only hangs out with people that have the exact political leanings as oneself, only reads one newspaper that leans to their political views and watches only one "news" station that leans far right, then that person would come to the same conclusion you do in your #1.34 post.
It sure is amazing that Obama supporters seem to miss all the negative news about Obama. While so busy touting the faux achievements of the president they never see things like the following story happening right in front of their eyes. Well maybe they do see them, but they sure do ignore the ramifications and meanings of them.
Why would the government issue defense contracts to companies outside the US unless there was some political hanky panky going on? Does this make sense to you? Story was posted in WND
So basically Backhouse what you're touting is...Obama had to practically put the economy in shambles so he could like a hero IF it ever completely recovers. that's laugable.
Obama is going to pay big time for high gas prices.....don't forget his promise to have energy prices..."necessarily skyrocket" - that's been his dream since day one in office.
Ron, thank you.
NPR reported that Santorum and Romney may have the same number of delegates in Michigan.
Houston --
I caught the "highlights" on another station. Pretty funny! He also did an interview on CNBC with Kudlow, I believe, again, I only caught the" highlights". He stepped in a few piles during that interview and had the conservatives questioning his bona fide conservative credentials once again. Perhaps that's why they keep him sheltered. They are afraid he is a MODERATE, lol.
"There was Gilligan (Rick Santorum) the skipper too (Donald Trump), the millionaire (Mitt Romney) and his wife (Anne Romney), the movie star (Sarah Palin), the professor (Newt Gingrich), and Maryanne (Michelle Bachman)... Here on Gilligan's Island!"
Bill reading your posts, the wise man was right, a fool is born every minute and the minute you were born it was you.
Bill the economy is rebounding and it's killing you isn't it. You tea people GOP Koch republicans cheering for the United States of America to fail are disgusting. The underhanded, lying dirty tricks you tea people GOP Koch republicans will do just for a win. The first step to winning an election Bill is to have competent candidates, which you have none at this point. So we all know where your anger is coming from.
We should have a little sympathy for Willard, Feisty. Romney has a hard time speaking.
Have you ever tried to talk with your foot in your mouth?
GOP keeps doubling and tripling down on policies that have already failed. Trickle down doesn't work, austerity doesn't work, taxing the poor while giving tax breaks to the wealthy doesn't work. Hell, they even shut down Congress, which resulted in the drop in our credit rating. Despite all the roadblocks, Obama maintains a steady hand; and the economy shows a steady growth. Why would the American public vote against what is already working? If anything, voting out the obstinate Tea Party will help this President improve the economy that much more after 2012.
Downtown: so you were on here railing against Bush for gas prices just a few years ago?? (remember when he had to open the reserves to look like he was doing something?) The President of the United States doesn't set gas prices. You're going to try and make that an issue under the President who has overseen a record amount of oil and gas production opened up? And fyi: The great recession began under " He who must not be named"...what you're seeing now that is about to lead to Obama's re-election is called a "recovery"
Kaybeetoys quoted someone with this line and then went gaga over it: And Snowe’s retirement gives Democrats a better than 50%-50% chance of holding the Senate in November.
Excuse me? How does one retiring RINO give democrats a better than 50/50 chance of retaining the Senate? Might I remind the dodo's out there that think this, there are 24 democrat seats up for re-election and only 12 republican seats up. The democrats are going to have to spend twice as much money as the republicans to keep those seats.... and all predictions thus far have the republicans winning the Senate... of course those are only predictions but it's NO WHERE near 50/50. Nice try at spinning this. Maybe a little dose of reality will fit in nicely with the la la land liberals. Or... maybe not.
Wow, talk about politicaly biased reporting.
Why no mention of the 50,000 Democrat voters that were robo-called and told to go vote for Santorum just to screw-up the process?
Even with a bunch of bored, half-wit Democrats voting against Romney just because they have nothing better to do while waiting for their next welfare check, they still couldn't change the outcome.
Well the right wing court jesters are out in force today. If you step back & watch, its easy to see & hear the comedy of errors the jesters speak.
Obama Biden 2012
I believe that should be: Earth to Albany Joe, Earth to Albany Joe--are the trees the right height on Planet Albany? Are the streets the right size on Planet Albany? Corporations are people, my friend; I've got friends who own NASCAR teams; I've been worried about getting a pink slip; I'm unemployed, too; I've known poor people; I've lived on regular streets; nice cheap raincoats you folks wear in Daytona. Earth to Albany Joe, Earth to Albany Joe......
Obama/Biden 2012. Yes, we will!!!
If it is possible, you wrote "Obama had to practically put the economy in shambles so he could..."
WHERE'VE YOU BEEN THIS CENTURY?
When President Obama was inaugurated we were losing 750,000 jobs a month and GDP fell to minus 8.9% (-8.9%) at the end of the Bush term.
In spite of of the OPEN FACT that GOP leadership vowed and BRAGGED they would not to help the President with our economic recovery, ever since he was inaugurated three years ago:
In the last 23 months, under President Obama - 3.7 million private sector jobs were created (even as GOP governors cut 700,000 jobs). Manufacturing jobs are up for the first time since the 1990's. The Auto Industry is back, the economy is back.
One million auto jobs saved, related and local businesses are recovering well. The Big Three making money and rehiring workers, GM #1 in the world. We did not fall down into a Great Bush Depression, thanks to President Obama.
Stop listening to the Faux spinners and bullies on the right. Stop pretending. Face up to it.
DownTownJulieBrown
I've seen this repeated so many times that I finally used Google to find out what Obama was talking about. Politifact found that he really did say this during the 2008 campaign, but he was talking about the effect of "cap and trade" on carbon pollution. Since cap and trade didn't pass, the current rise in gas prices has absolutely NOTHING to do with cap and trade. The gas prices are rising because of the situation with Iran and the associated speculation.
Obama's choice of the words "necessarily skyrocket" was certainly poor, almost on par with Romney's comment that he liked firing people. But what did Obama mean by "skyrocket"? Apparently, not a very big rocket, according to Politifact, which gave the GOP a "Pants On Fire" for knowingly using a bogus estimate of the cost to consumers of cap and trade:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/11/mike-pence/pence-claims-obama-said-energy-costs-will-skyrocke/
Mo said: Bill the economy is rebounding and it's killing you isn't it. You tea people GOP Koch republicans cheering for the United States of America to fail are disgusting. The underhanded, lying dirty tricks you tea people GOP Koch republicans will do just for a win. The first step to winning an election Bill is to have competent candidates, which you have none at this point. So we all know where your anger is coming from.
I'd like to step all over this spin... First Mo - your assertions the economy is rebounding is a false premise. Have you taken a look at prices in retail? Gasoline prices are rising daily. Don't you buy food? How about that nasty unemployment rate? Do you really believe the propaganda coming from the White House? What about the national debt? That bane of liberals, every time it's mentioned? Do you think our debt is a good thing for this country? Who has added multiple trillions to the national debt? Your champion, of course.
Liberals like you always think to douse conservatives with a good dose of Koch while totally forgetting that Soros is your champion. Tit for tat, so there. The only reason you don't think the republican candidates are competent is because you so totally ignore the incompetence from one Barak Obama. Actually Mo, you champion incompetence... Supporting the community organizer with so little experience on the government scene is a sign you have been lulled to sleep.
In Post #1.56, I accidentally omitted the last sentence in the Politifact article:
The Republicans claimed the cost would be over $3,000, knowing what they said was false and thereby winning themselves a well-deserved "Pants on Fire" Award.
pjam, that was posted by FR yesterday. Seems to me the question isn't about the democrats who were urged to vote for Santorum but rather the fact that it was Rick Santorum who paid for the robo-call in the first place. It wasn't democrats playing the dirty trick--it was Rick Santorum using the dirty trick. So typical, blame the democrats for a GOP dirty trick.
Sarah: I could hear the tune too! Great post.
The slowest recovery in our lifetimes is mainly due to all the signers of the so-called "Norquist Pledge". 41 Senators & 238 Congressmen (plus Mitt & Newt) are holding hostage this Countrys' lawmaking in treasonous Gridlock. If "Tea Party People" want "TRUE TAX REFORM"; they should follow their "namesakes", grab their "axes" and "AX THE TAX CODE". There is the source of the Nations "DEFICIT"???
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Unemployment rose to 10.8% in November 1982 at the height of the "normal" Reagan recession, higher even than the Bush/Obama recession. And I daresay, from the perspective of those who were unemployed the economy was in total collapse.
BTW from that peak, unemployment steadily decreased to 5.4% in January 1989 when Reagan left office. Not a bad record, eh?
You libbers are mighty overconfident, given that your guy has a track record that is probably somewhere behind Jimmy Carter's. The only thing missing is inflation and with $5 gasoline right around the corner, that is on the way.
What you cannot grasp is that it is still February. Obama has roughly 40% of the vote in the bag. He has the victim vote, the guilt vote, the union thug vote etc. locked up. Romney or whomever the GOP nominee is has another 40% locked up. Thinking people, job creators, business owners, people that value growth over government, etc.
That leaves about 20% that will decide the election. This is typical. The MSNBC crowd has decided. The Fox News crowd has decided. The middle 20% probably are not as involved as we are. They are going to wait to see what each candidate has to say. They will likely decide in September or October based on how they are feeling. All the hysteria about Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Newt, Santorum, etc. will be forgotten by then.
Romney needs a specific plan as to where he wants to take the country. He needs concrete ideas on job growth, spending, deficit control, defense, and many others.
Obama will at long last have to defend his record, which is frankly abysmal.
Incumbency is powerful. A weakened Clinton won. George W Bush won. The challenger must present a better alternative than the incumbent.
Me thinks the mocking and the celebration when you have 1.9% GDP growth ( 2011) and 8.6% unemployment and 4 years of trillion dollar deficits is a tad premature. It may end up hurting you. You will need crazy high turnout from the same groups that you had in 2008. Self satisfied, gloating people don't turn out in high numbers.
The reluctant choice Republican voters made last night was for the lightweight cynic, Romney, over the religious extremist, Santorum. What a terrible choice to have to make! Those poor voters will have a much happier alternative in the general election, though!
Obama in November! There is no other choice!
By: Alex Guillen, Politico
February 28, 2012 06:37 PM EST
The Energy Department isn’t working to lower gasoline prices directly, Secretary Steven Chu said Tuesday after a Republican lawmaker scolded him for his now-infamous 2008 comment that gas prices in the U.S. should be as high as in Europe.
“No, the overall goal is to decrease our dependency on oil, to build and strengthen our economy,” Chu replied. “We think that if you consider all these energy policies, including energy efficiency, we think that we can go a long way to becoming less dependent on oil and [diversifying] our supply and we’ll help the American economy and the American consumers.”
www.politico.com
In all reality America will always be dependent on oil......so maybe Obama and his buddies need to get out of the way...and let us produce what we can....
Ahhhh, Backhouse, and other Obama believers, must have gotten his "talking points" straight from Media Matters via the White House campaign control headquarters.
If I re-posted information about Mr. Obama's FAILED Domestic and International policies, the Left would immediately "collapse" the post which presented links to Mr. Obama, Mr. Biden, and other administration officials disclosing their FAILURES and call it SPAMMING.
Just wait until the REAL campaign starts.....that is when Mr. Obama's "Truth Squad" is going to completely saturate the Internet with complete and total falsifications of Mr. Obama's dismal record and TRY to spin everything in his favor. It is going to be a laugh a minute.
Moderators: you are going to need to increase your staff of Newsvine observers exponentially when the "real" campaign gets underway between Mr. Obama and the Republican nominee.
Mr. Obama's new campaign slogan: "Think not what I appear to be.....but what I AM !!!"
Houston! Thank you.
Fabulous post and explanation, re: the spinning of the cap and trade comment.
Yes voters will have a choice in November of the lightweight cynic as you put it, or someone who can read what others write from a teleprompter. To bad we couldn't vote for the teleprompter. Then we would have something that only tells us what we want to hear, but would be powerless to make the changes that have doomed the nation. Spend baby spend, what a great legacy.
Fiesty is a TRUE ediot...
Ahhh,
Au contraire, have not seen your 'Media Matters.'
The FACTS are out there - but you have to ignore Faux Entertainment.
Romney has a plan and policies. The WSJ said it would add trillions to the debt.
When Romney is allowed to speak to the media, what will happen when they question him on that? Or how about his plans to privatize SS and give vouchers for Medicare? The elderly will run from him.
Methinks you need to think more.
Ido,
If you can't make a point without POINTING IT OUT in CAPS, then your post doesn't deserve to be read.
Righties these days...
I know IDO is pounding furiously on his keyboard, but all that comes up on my screen is "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!"
...and Rick, if the lame teleprompter thing is the best you have, you might as well be making plans for your President Obama Reelection Party now!
I agree with you on that, Ido.
Bring it!! May the best man win.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Very clever Sara. Nice job.
Wow, another close one for the Mittzter. It must suck to be Mitt Romney. I wonder if, when the final count is in, Santorum will snatch this "victory" away from him like Iowa. It's possible.
The sky is certainly looking blue and good sailing ahead for our team.
Mitt is going to be the nominee and he is going to be DOA at the polls in November. If his own party doesn't want him why does his think the rest of us will jump on the bus? Huh? Somebody tell me.
Well, the wheels on the bus go round and round, but the bus won't be hauling Mitt Romney to the White House and that's a fact.
So, rejoice children, we've got four years to find a viable candidate to face Big Chris Christie. Get to work, talk amongst yourselves. I wonder if Michelle would consider a run? Now there's an idea whose time has come.
Let me be the first to start, DRAFT MICHELLE OBAMA FOR 2016!
Obama/Biden 2012 Michelle Obama/ 2016! You go girl!
If the democratic votes that overwhelmingly went for Santorum were discounted, perhaps Romney's victory wouldn't be so "ugly", as MSNBC characterizes it. This is further proof that the democrats desperately want Santorum to be the candidate instead of Romney.
Anybody see the Jon Stewart clip on Morning Joe this morning?
He showed tape of Mitt Romney encouraging Mass. republican voters to vote in the Democratic primary for the worse candidate they could find. In light of his reaction to Santorum trying a similar tactic - it is hilarious.
mo -- for the record, is anyone with whom you disagree a "tea people GOP Koch republicans"?
So Romney wins in Michigan 41% to 38%. In Michigan where Democrats can vote in the Republican primary. Where Left Wing Liberal Wack Job Union Democrat thugs voted for Santorum in hopes that he wins the nomination thereby giving the Big Eared, Jug Headed, incompetent boob a better chance of holding on to the Presidency. If you subtract all the Wack Job votes for Santorum Romney won in a landslide. This should be very eye-opening to you true-believers who still think the Messiah has a chance. The Arizona results are much more indicative of the true outcome in Michigan.
Hi Backhouse,
A great fact based opener for the day. Good job.
Two words for you brainwashed, zombified, Obama Supporters: Sixteen Trillion
Here are the FACTS: The National Bureau of Economic Research scored the recession as ending in June 2009, so today we are in the 50th month since the recession started – and to say that the recovery has been tepid at best would be an understatement. Indeed, after the recession officially ended unemployment actually continued to rise and did not start coming down until December 2010. And today nearly 4 years after the recession started there are still nearly 25 million Americans who unemployed or underemployed -- quite the recovery, eh?
But you prefer to deflect the blame for that dismal record by asserting that there are differences between the Reagan era and our current situation which completely explain the lackluster recovery. Heck, I can play that game too so chew on this. Reagan responded to extremely difficult economic times by unleashing the private sector via cutting taxes and reducing regulations. Obama by contrast has done just the opposite by stifling the private sector with burdensome regulations and the CONSTANT threat of raising taxes. So it's no surprise to anyone with a brain why the current recovery is falling fall short of our historical experience. It's only the Obama fanboys who don't have the good sense to recognize that.
Well Sailcat-#'s reading from a teleprompter was all the qualifications the Democrats needed to support Obama, and he has proven not up to the task. 6 trillion in new debt, gas prices soaring on the weak dollar, healthcare so well written exemptions had to be granted, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, more regulation, a larger government with more bureaucracy, no end to any war, reauthorized the patriot act, the apology tour, Gitmo isn't closed it gets a new soccer field, and the beat goes on and on. One disaster after another.
Obama will probably get a second term, as none of his supporters care about the condition of this country. They all have their hands out and Obama has the credit card. He has the media in his back pocket, he has bought the unions, and big oil is making more money with him then they did with Bush. Obama is the 1 percenters dream president. He might actually hold the record for talking out of the most sides of his face.
One thing is for sure. History is going to treat Obama very harshly, and it will be well deserved. He has set this country on a course of financial disaster it is unlikely to ever recover from. Future generations will get stuck with a tab and have nothing to show for it. Congress, and I mean all of congress will be treated just as harshly. There isn't an incumbent in Washington that deserves to be re-elected, and that very definitely includes Obama.
I believe that should be: Earth to Albany Joe, Earth to Albany Joe--are the trees the right height on Planet Albany?
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Jody: The trees where I live are actually taller and better looking than elswhere, a byproduct of good breeding. :~)
Umm, but I come here frequently and thereby am beneficiary to the penetrating insights provided by FR and the left wing brain surgeons who post here. So umm, I kinda sorta think I'm exposed to quite the range of ideas. The difference between you and me is that I take those ideas and actually form my own opinions. Thanks for reading.
Throwing in the towel already, Rick? It's probably for the best, I suppose. After the frankly hilarious GOP primary race and the reluctant choice by the voters of the rich, out-of-touch political hack, any attempt to deny the inevitability of Obama's reelection would appear pathetically delusional.
But the teleprompter thing? Really? Sorry, Rick, but fail, big time.
Two words for you willfully ignorant, deliberately self-deluded members of the right wing lunatic fringe: Obama Wins!
Feel better? I knew you would!
It must kill you wingnuts to admit that the economy is recovering, doesn't it? You must have also forgotten that in 2007-2009, we experienced the worst economic recession in our lifetimes. The Raygun recession of 1982 was about half as bad and it took until 1984 for the economy to start recovering. And, that year one of the reason for unemployment numbers dropping so quickly was that the Raygun administration started using the method for determining unemployment numbers that is currently used, AND started counting people who enlisted in the Military in the Delayed Entry Program and people in the Reserves as "fully employed."
Santorum lost Arizona & Michigan, now they have Ricko on a Suicide Watch, its leap year for Ricko ? "Lets Celebrate this dirtbags lost." NOW this loose Nut Ricky is running to Ohio like a Chicken with its head cut off, this wacko is a total "Joke"
Rick, all of those candidates could do to use a teleprompter. Honestly the gaffes just keep on coming, every president uses teleprompters or note cards for speeches. History will not treat Obama harshly, racists do. All of those policies you complain about are extensions of Bush and just aren't so simple to resolve. Gitmo is great example, thank you. Yes he promised to close it and he soon realized that it is easy to being a running candidate and make promises but harder to make them happen. Years in detention and none of their home countries wanted them back, if they weren't terrorists before they sure are now.
Norquist-oil lobbyist literally owns the GOP, they have signed their pledge to protect THEIR interests. Something all of the conservative base dismisses, either you lack the intellect to understand the implications or you are just as crooked as them. Or your simply a racist who will put anyone WHITE in the white house rather than Obama.
Who really doesn't care about the condition of the country? You have nothing to base your accusations on and the republicans have a long history of cut taxes (for the wealthy) and spend huge amounts of money. Democrats end up cleaning up their messes. What should be the more financially wise party is just a bunch of greedy 1% pigs, a bunch of bible thumping morons and a bunch of racists who can't see past Obamas skin color all making up endless lies.
Unemployment is the last thing to bounce back after a recession, so it is normal to see unemployment rise, after the recession ends. It did during the Raygun recession. And do you have a source for your 25 million figure? And I find it hilarious that you wing nuts start acting concerned for people who are "underemployed" when a Democrat is President.
Media Matters doesn't post talking points, they post "conservative" misinformation.
Looks good doesn't it until you factor in the 1.2 million that have fallen off the unemployment lists and forgotten about conveniently.
Sailcat-#'s, I just can't wait to see Romney up against Obama in the debates. Obama is nothing without his teleprompter, and it is just like the nations American Express card, he never leaves home without it.
Jan-#'s there is just nothing like the race card is there? Maybe its you who can't see past the color of his skin to the quality of his character or his ability to do the job. For the record, the Democrats have been in control of congress for the better part of the past 60 years, so there is more then enough blame to go around Washington if you can look past the color of ones skin.
As no conservative can actually back any of these candidates with real policy that they have to improve things back on point.
I would disagree that this was an ugly win for Romney, the fact that more catholics voted for him, the fact that democrats deliberately voted for Santorum in hopes of giving him a better position. A far easier candidate for Obama. Showed that things are on the down turn for Santorum, his arizona performance was dismal. I guess saying that separation of church and state making want to throw up, children shouldn't be college educated and his sexual obsession is catching up.
Bill -- Actually, you come here to post an opinion. Who are you trying to kid? But if you do in fact form opinions based on opinions then that explains your opinions. Try stepping out of the tunnel once in a while. You might be surprised that the world is indeed round!
That's it, Rick! Keep slugging even when it makes you look sadly deranged! That's the boy!
Sheesh...
Yes and Obama doesn't make continuous gaffes that annoy the voters either. I think all of those candidates could use a teleprompter. You know their campaign teams have to be smacking their foreheads with the stupid blunders.
Except that it is false that 1.2 million fell off the unemployment list in January. In January, the numbers were changed to use the census data from the 2010 census. The two largest increases in population segments were under the age of 18 and over the age of 55. Most of those people were not working anyway. Nice try to use a wing nut talking point though.
Obama didn't use teleprompters in the debates in 2008 and mopped the floor with his competition. He also didn't use one when meeting with republiCON senate members during the "health care debate" and left them wishing they never invited tv cameras to the meeting.
Thats funny Rick, during the Bush administration, the republicans dominated congress up until the end when they had completely annhilated the economy.
By the way, this constant blaming of the democrats and letting the republicans off the hook no matter where they are in D.C. is stupid. Its Obamas fault that Bush screwed the economy, but it was the democrats fault that the republican dominated senate and house with Bush screwed it somehow? You don't even make any rational sense.
Bill you ignored my point...
In your post you criticized "Obama fanboys" for comparing the President's handling of the economy to Bush Favoring Regan's as a better comparison. I simply gave you a few reasons why comparing to Bush gives a more accurate measure. I even say in my post, in the section you quoted, that you can compare the two I just do not agree that the Regan one serves as a better comparison.
Of course you ignore that, accuse me of deflecting. I did not deflect I responded to one of your crticisms.
In your post you are saying tax cuts are the solution. That they "unleash the private sector" So the Bush tax cuts are saving us right now huh? Oh and why were the Republicans so against the payroll tax cut extension??? I am not offering and opinion on either, its just both these scenarios run counter to what you stated.
Sailcat - while I admire your tenacity your prognostication is just a willful guess at this time. Unless you have an accurate crystal ball, no amount of wishing will erase the negatives from your hero Obama. As time goes on, we shall see how many of these negatives become exponential. Remember, mind control only goes to those that let it permeate their brains.
A common lie pushed by the left is that the reason we're experiencing the slowest recovery from a recession in our lifetimes is because the recent recession was one the worst in our lifetimes – you know the drill, it was a really deep hole so it will take longer to work our way out of it. Unfortunately, the historical record does not support that fiction. In fact, our historical experience is that the deeper the downturn, the more robust the recovery.
Consider the Great Depression. From 1930-1933 GDP contracted on an annual basis as follows: -8.6%, -6.5%, -13.1% and -1.5%. Now THAT was a deep and prolonged downturn. But in the next four years from 1934-1937 the economy expanded at a boffo pace: 10.9%, 8.9%, 13.1% and 5.1%.
I keep telling my friends on the left they're entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts. One of these days they'll listen.
http://bea.gov/national/xls/gdpchg.xls
Jan, to be totally clear, the downturn in our economy only came after 2006, when democrats took control of the house... While I admonish Bush for his lack of leadership concerning the economy, the democrats controlled the purse strings of the government. Never forget that... democrats had direct control of monetary issues after 2006... when the economy started tanking.
Detroit Free Press is reporting that voter turnout yesterday isn't likely to get to 20%. Of those voting, about 10% were democrats, mostly voting for Santorum, thinking He would be a weaker candidate against the President in the general. If these numbers hold, and it looks like they will, then the "ugly" detected by MSNBC last night, will indeed reveal, at least, several more family members of like or worse countenance. Poor republicans!
Yes Brianb, please remember that when you listen to Fox lies, Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck. No amount of making up things can erase the truth of the nightmare that Bush left us in. To which he admitted to and that is why he started initiated the bailouts, to try the stem the flow of the disaster before Obama took office. They had estimated that unemployment would go to 20%, they had not expected it to start recovering even within Obamas term. Unfortunately for the republicans, they just can't keep lying and convince people with 2 brain cells to ping together.
It seems to me that Romney has been very successful in getting his message out. The problem is that people are not responding favorably to his message. So, what the Romney camp is really saying is that they're going to re-script his message to conform to whatever it takes to win the primaries. That's not working harder on getting your message out. That's working harder on selling out.
The real trick in this race for the GOP is to turn from running extreme far right to win the primaries to then having to move left to center to expect to pick up independents and moderates. Move too far and you risk losing the base. Don't move enough and you're too far right for mainstream voters. And, in either case those early soundbites aren't going away.
Since your "facts" support our claim, do you admit it will take a long while for the economy to recover?
Brianb, you really don't know what caused the downturn? It wasn't war, it wasn't medicare part D, and it wasn't anything that was even done during the Bush administration. Those things just made the problem that much worse. Wow you republicans completely fail at equating policy to problems.
You and Rick share the same failure at understanding policy and how it effects the economy. To say that the crash was Bush's fault isn't really his fault. That was done during the Clinton administration. However the tax cuts with the massive spending just sent us down the tubes so much faster.
Hmmmmm...I don't recall the lib news media pointing out an "ugly win" in Iowa? I think that was an ugly win because 8 of the voting districts were unaccounted for, yet they called it a win for Santorum. The lib media surely does not want Romney to win, do they? What are they afraid of?
An Ugly Win in Michigan for Romney?
What is ugly about competition and an Election. No one forced people to vote.
Please explain to us Einstein, how controlling monetary issues caused the housing bubble that led to the crash. BTW, even though the dems had a slight majority from 2007-2009. It was Bush who submitted the budget requests for those years. And, the only thing was increased from Bush's requests were for Veteran benefits. You can try to spin it all you want, but experts were predicting the bubble to burst in early to mid 2006, before the elections.
I don't know Cawf what are republicans so afraid of with Obama that they are obsessed with attacking him constantly to the point where they have totally failed to come up with any answers of their own?
Did you read the article, Brianb?
This is my favorite part:
Olympia Snowe is sick of her own party...and who can blame her for that?
Cawf, the "librul media" called Iowa for Romney, and it turned out later that Santorum had actually won it.
Brianb-999431
Yo Brian, I have not sparred with you for several days. All is on the upswing with you I hope.
I am so glad to see all the conservatives on here are following the RNC's memo exactly as they were told.
We have Joe, Bill, and Ido following their instructions WORD FOR WORD. You guys all deserve a round of applause. I mean, the ability to follow the instructions given to you, like good little lemmings, is quite impressive.
Unfortunately your very own Fox News spilled the beans. On the show Fox & Friends, Steve Doocy actually lifted up the memo and read it, verbatim, on live television... explaining, word for word, the exact arguments they have been instructed to use. And did you see the look on Gretchen Carlson's face when he read that memo? LOL... it looked like she just dropped a load in her pants. You could literally see in her eyes the words: "Oh s***, we were not supposed to reference the memo." LOL
So good job, Joe, Bill and Ido. Like good little sheep... good little lemmings, you are following the memo word for word. What was it again? Discuss the debt, jobs, and really push the gas price issue (even though we all know that the President has nothing to do with gas prices). Yup, you are right on track.
You better check your inbox for your next set of instructions... don't want to make your masters angry.
@Backhouse - You "unbiasedly" left out the high gas price since he took office, from $1.84 to over $4.00+ today. Also, he vetoed the Keystone pipeline project, thus killing 1000's of jobs. How come you didn't mention these? More liberal lies and biased B.S. feeding from the left?
I'm sure you're "prospering" right now in this economy, is there anyone else?
LOL Fox is such a group of morons, the only one worth listening to at all is Sheperd Smith. The rest of them are pure RNC propaganda spin day and night.
Cawf, you "unbiasedly" left off the high gas prices in 2008 that was also over $4.00. He did not "veto" the Keystone pipeline and left it open to be approved after the State Department studies are complete. It did not kill 1000s of jobs either, maybe a few hundred. And, it would have done nothing to lower the price of gas. Since the only reason to send the oil from Canada to Texas was to refine it and put it on ships to go overseas.
Bottom line. Romney is the least crappy Rep, and Obama is the least crappy Dem. Still means we get crap either way, but a tad less smelly.
The keystone is stalled by a republican governor.
Michigan has an open primary. That means that anyone can vote in any primary. I suspect there were more than a few Democrats cast votes for the candidate they would prefer to run against Obama. I wonder what the outcome would have been if it was a closed Primary Like the one in AZ Romney 47% vs Santorum's 27%
Jan, all presidents will be raked over the coals. Bush did, Clinton did and on and on. BHO is just getting his presidential election year due like all the rest. They're not afraid of him, they don't like his policies. Romney is not even president (YET) and the lib media is already trying their best to rake him over the coals. They certainly aren't raking Santorum like they are Romney. Now, I ask again, what are they afraid of?
raddave - Yes $4+ in 2008 and six months later, what was it ($1.84)? Think today, six months later...what will it be? I bet not even $2.
I love how you wing nuts accuse Democrats of doing what you were calling for in 2008 with zero proof of it actually being done.
Taxpayers have spent more than $150 billion to prop up Fannie and Freddie, the most expensive bailout .... The government estimates that figure could top $259 billion to support the companies through 2014 ....
Bill --
Huh! If true at least we know you occasionally have fun.
Cawf, gas prices dropped suddenly in 2008 because the Saudis started pumping more oil, which actually caused a temporary glut on the market. Presidential polices have nothing to do with the price of oil. It didn't in 2008 and it doesn't now. Experts are saying the sudden rise in prices are because speculators are anticipating a shortage of oil in July, when sanctions are due to be imposed on Iran.
Santorum is getting raked over the coals too, because of the nutty comments he has been saying lately.
Backhouse - Romney 14 and Santorum 12. but one district was too close to with Santorum said to be ahead, but short some results. If Romney ends up ahead it would be because the 3 party leader votes.
Gas prices go up EVERY... SINGLE... YEAR... like clockwork.
They have gone up, and down, and up, and down... with every single President.
The fact that the right is trying to use this as a debate point shows just how desperate they are. The GOP is grasping at straws. Gas prices have never, and will never, be controlled by the President. The whole discussion is a pathetic attempt to shine a negative light on positive news. The smell of desperation is over-powering.
So... once again we see the hypocrisy of the left.
They say (and I paraphrase) 'shame on you Willard for refusing to do interviews on a MSM network other than' (and i like this one) 'other than Dumb Fux News' (classy!)
They ridicule Romney for this yet they send praises on high to Pres. Yomama for refusing to do interviews on (quoting the left again) 'Dumb Fux News'.
Way to go libbies! Thanks for reassuring me that there is at least one constant in the universe... your hypocrisy!
(show me the clown nose, fisty!)
On the passing of Olympia Snowe...
Olympia last was elected with a 70+% vote in Blue Maine. For the naysayers (and you know who you are - that Olympia was a RINO), her vast wins were the result of being a moderate. Many, many voters crossed over to vote for here (ME) because you may not have liked all her positions, but she was straightforward and a problem-solver (not a bomb-thrower.). We Mainers respect that, regardless of party.
Regardless of your political preference, she "performed".
Given the state of dysfunctional Senatorial politics, the well-financed Tea Party proposed primary candidates who are incredibly weak, I do not fault her at all for "throwing it the towel".
Given the dissatisfaction with our Tea Party Governor, there is a very strong possibility that her seat will go to a Democrat (candidates for many years who were "sacrificial lambs" an Snowe was almost unbeatable.
She will be missed.
raddave - and the present administration backs exporting Canadian oil, which helps create that shortage. And this is info from one of your left wing nut links (see below). So, what was that about presidential policies have nothing to do with gas prices?
Wow, step away from the computer for a few minutes to make an omlette and all hell breaks loose.
Jan - The downturn was exemplified by the housing bubble. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were the two largest contributors to the loss in our economy. But of course I have to be a republican in your mind to say that it was democrats that were running the show on Fannie and Freddy... right? Wrong. I am not a republican... in fact I'd be ashamed to call myself one.
Kaybeetoys - I was commenting on the way you were jumping for joy over what the article said. Of course the article was totally wrong because they are enamored over the democrats... extremely obvious... They completely miss the mechanics of the upcoming elections and what is involved... therefore they claimed because of one person retiring, the democrats were an automatic shoe in at 50/50. Nothing else was mentioned about why she was retiring... your commentary is auxiliary. Snowe can always run as an independent and probably win.
Raddave - I don't have the time nor inclination to explain it all to you Yogi. Do your own research to figure out how Fannie and Freddie were mismanaged and completely failed in their attempts to obtain toxic mortgages. Who cares who was doing the predicting... the government oversight democrats failed to act properly... no spin, only facts... look it up on your own. I refuse to do your homework to discover the facts. Got that Yogi?
Idology - I miss sparring with you too... thanks for the concern... I am working out a deal right now that will put me back in Alabama... for more money and some pretty hefty bonuses. I will probably be making a trip there this weekend to scope out the building sites. It's pretty positive... and I get to use all my skills again... I'd hate to see them rust away sitting at home posting on FR... LOL!
What 5 idiots collapsed Backhouse's first post? Hey Feisty, please do your magic to restore him... Please!
Joe in albany, jody is an abomination to the mainstream here in iowa, She is a california transplant who wants nothing more than to see iowa become a another spendthrift state like california.
"Even with a bunch of bored, half-wit Democrats voting against Romney just because they have nothing better to do while waiting for their next welfare check, they still couldn't change the outcome." Posted by pjam09.
Well, I hate to rain on your parade pjam, but Rick stole my idea. I'm a collge educated, fully employed voter in Ohio. For weeks, I've been asking all of my friends to go to the polls Super Tuesday, request a Republican ballot, and vote Ron Paul. Hope it works. Obama's been doing just fine, considering the hand he was dealt and the obstructionist Congress. There will be a Republican candidate. Crazy Uncle Ron Paul makes more sense than Mittens"I was a Ken Doll in a former Life" Romney, Rick Sanitarium, or Puke Gingrich.
Well, since the President "Yomama" (nice race baiting, BTW), has done interviews with FUX "News', your point is moot.
Congrats and best wishes, Brianb. How will you spin it though? It looks suspiciously like an improvement in the economy. :)
raddave - Sorry, here's the left wing link I mentioned previously.
We don't "export" Canadian oil, Canada does.
Fannie and Freddie did not cause the housing bubble to burst, it was sub-prime mortgage companies that caused most of it. And that period you are talking about, republiCONS were in control of both the house and Senate, so to blame it on Dems, is also false. BTW, my name is not Yogie, it is Dave.
Romney's win in Michigan means squat. For one reason mentioned in the article:
Santorum's extremism is showing. These are not gaffes. This is what Santorum is about, and he can whine all he wants about the media focusing on his religious positions, but these are the issues Santorum is really obsessed with -- A theocracy (no Separation of Church and State) including the education system.
With that said... Romney's narrow win in Michigan and other states does not bode well. Romney can win states with large Mormon populations like Arizona, of course Utah, and Idaho. The lower turn-out for the caucuses and primaries thus far, along with narrow wins, and inability to win in the south is proof that voters realize Romney is NOT presidential material.
Romney's speech last night seemed to have been stolen in part from Santorum in regard to the same old idiotic red meat from the Keystone pipeline to the Affordable Care Act. But Romney really pissed me off with his continued disrespect in referring to the president as "Mr. Obama." This is VERY telling, and smacks of Birther-type questioning of the president's legitimacy.
Romney has lived a life of privilege, of being the boss who is not challenged or even advised, who has avoided the press and gets snippy when questioned. Republicans should demand references. Where are the business associates or folks who worked with Romney when he was governor? Where?! My guess is Romney has stepped on people to make his fortune, and was difficult to work with when he was Governor. A president MUST accept advise, and MUST be able to interact with the media, and MUST have compassion for the "little people." Romney is NOT cut out to be POTUS.
As for the "white knight," there is no such thing. Jeb Bush said the Teapublican Party no longer aligns with his views. We're talking about a Bush, and we're talking about a Bush involved in the Terri Schiavo fiasco along with the likes of Santorum saying the GOP/TP is now so far to the Right that he's not interested.
Which dovetails into Olympia Snowes comments about polarization. As long as everything is filibustered (in particular without having to actually filibuster), the number of seats needed by either Party to control the Senate will be a super majority of 60 seats. So the math needs to be in accordance with this sad fact, and why people need to get out and VOTE for the president as well as Dems for congress and at the state level. We need to get rid of the Teapublicans in the House, 60 Dems in the Senate, and President Obama for four more years!
kaybee - No spin. I'd consider this an effort on my part to diligently work through my contacts and not giving up. A little luck was necessary as well. I've been working on this for over 30 days and just Monday, phone calls started coming in... a few of them weren't worth pursuing... this one happens to be. I've taken the necessary steps that involve my experience to help this along. It still doesn't help the several other people that were let go at my last project.
On a personal level, there are a whole lot less opportunities out there and only through diligence and hard work can a person replace a lost position these days. There's a lot of minimum wage jobs available if you know where to look, but also, the basic wages in my type of work have gone down. Supply and demand always dictates the wages... there's a lot of supply and little demand.
The 2 ugly things are, #1, The group of seventh graders who wrote this article, and #2, The ugly fact that Santorum pleaded for Democrats to vote against Romney in the Republican primary.
Also, as the seventh graders are apparrently ignorant of, Contributions given to Romney far out supply any contributions given to other Republican candidates.
Dear wonderful America:
I am not a democrat (and definitely not a socialist) but a concerned proud American, who loves this country to death, but the re"pig"licans ("con"servatives) have to go. I don't understand (unless it is just pure brainwashing and/or stupidity) how people vote for the republicans and conservatives. Obama is an amazing politician, person, and true American. However, the awful and hateful republicans continue to hurt and destroy this country by not allowing the government to pass these wonderful policies and laws that are being brought to the table by Obama and his administration and some other democrats. It's like he is giving us the solutions and corrections on what will make this country progress, develop, and get so much better, and then the crabby/difficult and manipulative/evil republicans do not support and vote for the potential policies and laws. And, they don't support them because they are not going to work or be good for America, but they don't support them because they are from a brilliant Democrat who is trying to help the country. We are having a difficult time because the republicans don't care about this country.
The dirty re"pig"licans want to continue to play games, slander others, lie, cheat, steal, and be (what needs to be said) racist. If Obama was white, the republicans would probably at least respect him a little. In addition, all the republicans care about is themselves and no one else, even not other republicans (unless you are a billionaire) and are going to donate a lot of money to their campaigns. If the policy or law focused on tax cuts for the rich and their businesses, the republicans would vote for those in a heartbeat, but when it comes to helping the poor and middle class, the republicans have to say that the potential law is going to be socialist and bad for the country. Are you kidding me?
Wake up America!!! Stop voting for re"pig"licans and their selfish and evil ways. Support the current President and his brilliant ideas. This country would be in such an amazing and better place if Obama and the other democrats have been able to pass more of their policies and laws due to the stubborn and mean republicans. In addition, which is also another long discussion, Obama is trying to clean up the infinite mess and devastating decisions that were made by Bush and previous Republicans. All Bush and the republicans did was drive this country into the
ground and steal millions of dollars for themselves. They also hurt millions of innocent Americans just so they could get rich. Shame on you Bush and all the republicans. You all are criminals and should be locked up or please just leave this country and get out. All you care about is yourself and your money. It is going to take decades for us to recover from the horrible and awful decisions that were made by Bush, previous republican presidents, and other stupid
republican policies and laws. America is about the people and helping people, not about keeping the rich rich and making the republicans more money. republicans are horrible and sick people.
Please support and continue to support these wonderful and amazing decisions, bills, policies, and laws that Obama and the democrats are bringing to the table. You will not be sorry. They are for the people and the greater good, not just for a specific group of people to help make them stay or get rich.
P.S. I am not a democrat but just really care about this country and its people and after decades of studying republicans, democrats, and other political ideas, it is obvious that the republicans are lying to everyone and have a selfish agenda. If everyone would stop taking sides, they would be able to see the truth of what the re"pig"licans and "con"servatives are really trying to do, which is try to make themselves rich and everyone else poor. Shame on all of you republicans and conservatives, especially the tea party members.
For you republicans who read my post, please please please wake up and quit being brainwashed and/or quit being selfish and think about the greater good. In addition, collapsing my post is proof enough that you do not want the truth to be told. And, you are the hypocrite because I do as I say and republicans/conservatives want people to leave them alone but want
to make others like them through laws. Keep your values and religion out of our laws and government. Shame on you.
As Jan-#s aptly stated, policies cause the problems. With Obama's spend baby spend policy this country is headed for major problems. Gas prices are soaring not because of supply, or middle east tensions, or speculators, but because a barrel of crude is the benchmark for gas prices. Since this country is printing money at a record pace, the dollar is devalued throughout the world and as such crude prices are climbing. The president that promised to cut the deficit in half in his first term has more then doubled it.
As gas prices climb as the result of Obama's spend baby spend policy so shall everything else. Consumer products are going to skyrocket as is food since it takes gas to get them to market. This country is on the verge of not just inflation, but hyper inflation. Then what are we going to do? Borrow even more money? Devalue the dollar still more worldwide and exacerbate the problem even further?
Jan-#'s is right, policies do create problems. Just like when Bill Clinton signed NAFTA into law and all the manufacturing jobs in this country headed to Asia (sorry Jan-#'s I am going back before your history book begins, try and keep up). NAFTA didn't happen over night, and even Clinton knew that the fallout of his pandering to special interest groups wasn't going to happen on his watch. But over the next decade the jobs steadily left this country. Clinton is more to blame for the lack of jobs in this country then either Bush or Obama, but as is in politics you take the good with the bad.
Obama takes credit for the increased domestic oil production which all began under Bush, but accepts no part of the economy which he has clearly made worse. But people like to harp on the Bush tax cuts as playing a major role in the countries financial health. Yeah right, as if tax cuts that over 10 years reduced the federal take by one trillion dollars is to blame, 100 billion per year. Congress wastes that much over lunch, and yet they can't seem to find a dime to actually cut. Reducing planned future increases is hardly a cut.
If Obama gets re-elected the day will come when the world will hear a collective 'whoops' from all his supporters when they realize the damage he has done. Of course by then it will be too late. McCain won or tied every age group voting block in the last election but one, the 18-29 year old. The uninformed. Those for whom history goes back 8 years. Those for whom mommy and daddy gave them everything, and they quickly latched onto a president making endless promises for handouts.
Yeah, there is no actual shortage of blame to go around Washington, unless you are simply too partisan to see it. United we stand divided we fall. There is a reason our presidents legacy could be summed up as the Great Divider.
Anyone who compares the '80s recession to what happen in '07-'08 was either not alive back then or is brain dead today. Did Raygun have to bail out the banks and Wall Street? No, but Dubya did. By the way I do remember Raygun cutting any unemployment extensions thus reducing the source for compiling such figures or as you righties like to try to point out "what about those that have stop looking". Please get a dose of reality. You scream out of one side of your neck about how bad things have gotten but you have no clue as to how fix the problem. By all consensus this was the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression the only thing that save this country from similar circumstances was the bail-out by "he who can't be named". Bite on that dose of reality.
David Walker, you mock those who claim to speak for God, yet you write this creative poem that ends with a climax claiming to speak for him as well:
Is saying God doesn't care speaking for him any less than saying he does care? What gives?
raddave - yes, which the keystone pipeline would bring the Canadian oil to U.S. But since we're not going to have it, Canada says fine, I know who wants the oil. Since the EPA idiots don't want drilling and can't get the Canadian oil, guess who's left with the shortage? Who's policies?
BTW - I guess URL's cannot be placed on this blog, but check the huffington post . com.
Rick, Obama has indeed cut the deficit from a high of $1.4 trillion for Bush's last budget. He certainly has not doubled it.
Zen Love - You are soooooo brainwashed and delusional. Been inhaling too many incense sticks.
Raddave said: Fannie and Freddie did not cause the housing bubble to burst, it was sub-prime mortgage companies that caused most of it. And that period you are talking about, republiCONS were in control of both the house and Senate, so to blame it on Dems, is also false. BTW, my name is not Yogie, it is Dave.
Dave, you can believe what you want. I can tell you haven't really researched this out to dig deep to find the truth of the matter. Fannie and Freddie were huge culprits in all this. The leads were democrats. They were telling congress that all was well with both groups. Nothing could have been further from the truth. Look it up... it's there! It's history. Subprimes were being gobbled up by fannie and freddie through bulk purchases from subprimes. Again take the time to learn about this. If your name isn't Yogie, then my name isn't Einstien... got it?
raddave - at least you're correct on this one. Yomama hasn't doubled the budget deficit. He's tripled it and well on the way to quadrupling it.
True Patriot - Why should I vote for dems? I don't believe in their agenda, nor their methods. Everything I believe is opposite of what dems stand for. In your little call for action, you are only speaking to those that already will vote straight democrat across the election field... Don't even think your little speech has convinced me of voting the only way I will vote.
Brian, sorry I don't do my "research" on wing nut "news" sites. Fannie and Freddie weren't the culprits, it was the sub-primes and the big banks speculation. Fannie and Freddie had to "gobble" up those morgages, to try to save the mortgage companies. Dems were NOT the leads in the years prior to 2006, so it doesn't matter what they were saying. You can try to spin it all you want, but the truth is, the republiCONS were in the majority prior to 2006 and therefore, could have done anything they wanted on any committee.
That's why you think McCain lost? LOL
I hate to break your perfect little GOP bubble, where Republicans can do no wrong, but McCain lost because of one word... PALIN.
Every single moderate Republican and right-leaning independent was driven away by that Tea Party extremist and her blatant hypocrisy.
You want to know how your precious little GOP can win again? Huh, do you, champ? Ditch the Tea Party scum and every other religious extremist who wants to turn America into a theocracy. Support separation of church and state, and send the Tea Party back into the cold, dark hole they crawled out of. Embrace compromise... like an adult.
Then, after you do that... give Grover Norquist the middle finger and tell him to go f*** himself. Show the American people that you care about the people more than a lobbyist. Show the American people you will not allow some special interest, lobbyist douche bag to control your party.
Right now your entire party is ruled by a lobbyist, while they chant for religious fascism. And you think independent voters want anything to do with that?
cawf, Obama has reduced the deficit from it's record high of $1.4 trillion. Unless you think $1.2 trillion is triple $1.4 trillion.
cawf, Obama has reduced the deficit from it's record high of $1.4 trillion. Unless you think $1.2 trillion is triple $1.4 trillion.
raddave
Your so smart and up to date of the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac please tell me who Barney Frank was sleeping with at the time.
Typical liberal democrat; had rather lie even when it's easier to tell the truth.
floyd, who cares who Frank was "sleeping with" at the time. Barney Frank was a member of the minority party, and powerless.
raddave - you're comparing eights years of Bush, and only 1 year of Yomama. Look at the total of the Yomama years. They've tripled all of Bush's 8 years and Yomama is on his way in quadrupling that.
So you believe in the failed policies that melted down our economy?
No Cawf. I am comparing one year of Bush to one year of Obama. FY 2009 had a deficit of $1.4 trillion.
Bill Farifax VA:
Uh, yeah. Only Bill and his far-right associates are entitled to their own facts. But it's still a FACT that the consensus among economists is that the 10% unemployment rate peak during Obama's first year in office would have been much higher had Obama done nothing and let the nation fall into a second Great Depression. Saint Ronald of Reagan inherited an economy crippled by an Arab oil embargo, but the economy was not in nearly as bad shape in 1980 as it was in 2008. And one of the reasons the unemployment rate went down during Reagan's term is because he blew a big hole in the federal budget with his deficit spending (his predecessor Jimmy Carter was a piker, who racked up far less debt). Oh, and by the way: Saint Ronald also raised taxes numerous times -- the unforgivable sin of the contemporary Republican party run by totally nutty ideologues.
I don't have the graphs handy, but charts show that the contraction of the GDP in 2008 was much deeper than the contraction during the 1980 recession. Bill is unloading total bunk when he pretends the two recessons are comparable.
Now that he just barely won Michigan, Mitt 'Plastic Man' Romney is becoming over confident about being elected President. He just ordered his buddies at Bane Capitol to start drawing up plans to liquidate the federal government and sell off the parts to China. That’s what corporate raiders like 'Plastic Man' do.
And who was in office in 2009? None other than Yomama!
Houston, Bill also made the assertion that Raygun unleashed the private sector by cutting taxes and regulation. When it was those tax cuts that caused the deficit to explode and for the recession that hit a year after he became President, and tried to blame on Carter. The economy did not start to improve until he started raising taxes.
Bush single year deficits never went over 1 trillion as compared to single year trillion $$ deficits for Yomama.
B.S. Cawf, FY 2009 was Bush's last budget, it had a deficit of $1.4 trillion. try again.
And when do Fiscal years begin? the October prior. meaning FY 2009, started in October 2008. Who was President then?
Cawf
After reading most of your posts, it's obvious you don't deal in facts. It seems you just make stuff up as you go along.... That's the true sign of a right wing troll. But the icing on the cake is your post #1.166, that post proves that what you really are is a right wing a racist troll......... I pity you, your world must be very closed and lonely.
raddave - And who had control over both House and Senate in FY 2009? The tax and spend Democrats! So who's responsible for that deficit? Democrats!
Cawf, who requested those budgets and signed them? The President of the U.S. So, who's responsible for the deficit? Bush.
Latest news is Santorum is not conceding the Michigan primary race.
Rick: I wish you right wingnuts would get OFF the teleprompter spiel -- EVERY PRESIDENT SINCE IKE have used a teleprompter for their speeches -- it's nothing inherent to President Obama. In fact, even ex-President Bush used it (OMG WTF)!! You show your total lack of intelligence every time you bring up this fact....it's ridiculous, incorrect, and has NOTHING to do with anything!! Find something meaningful to say rather than keep repeating the same inane comments!
Cawf
Wow... you don't even understand what "Fiscal Year budget" means. Fail.
Wait... you were just putting ALL the blame on President Obama, indicating that the President should take responsibility. Now you are switch to the House and Senate? Make up your mind.
You flip flop as much as Romney. Fail #2
You should quit while you're behind.
Raddave - so according to your logic, Obama can't be blamed for the current deficits, or the additional $5 trillion added to the national debt since he's become president. I know, it's all the republican's fault. In your little pond, everything that's wrong with the world can be blamed on the republicans.. and everything that's good in your world is accredited to the democrats.
Logically, I'd say you are truth impaired. Your beliefs defy reality.
Didi - The teleprompter is totally relevant to Obama. Every time he goes off it, he sparks some crazy new revelation into his inner core... Where do you think we RWNJ's get the best stuff from Obama? He can't speak without it. The presidential debates are going to be a real hoot this year... hopefully he'll have to answer, ad-lib about some of his failures... the teleprompter stenographer won't be able to keep up with the standard droning answers he'll have pre-programmed into his replies.
The White House could not approve the Keystone pipeline until the actual route it takes is agreed upon by the States and a review is finalized on that route for impacts to any affected parties. That's standard operating procedure for projects anywhere. Would your town approve putting up a new building without knowing yet where it was going to be built?
Meanwhile, it's interesting that experts are projecting that the pipeline would actually increase gas prices in most of the continental U.S.. It has to do with gas being cheaper regionally where it is refined, but that by moving most of that capacity to Texas, those States that were getting a break will see price increases, while the gulf coast States will likely see no difference. It also makes it much easier to load tankers and ship that fuel off to the far east where the oil companies will get the best price. So, this pipeline that's supposed to make us energy independent could end up with us having more fuel shortages by exporting more and higher prices for what does get delivered domestically. It's a definite win for the oil companies, but other than the construction phase doesn't seem like it'll do us that much good, and has the potential to do some real harm if the right quality controls aren't in place to make sure it's built to standards and not just out to the lowest bids.
And this wanna be President (a billionaire himself) pays less than 14% in taxes to the IRS. He has no concept of what it is like to be middle class or poor. Yet, he wants to do away with entitlements or at least cut them way back. He wants to gamble with them in the stock markets so that Hedge Fund racketeers and he can make even more money. He simply cannot be trusted with anything. And, he is all for businesses only regardless of what comes out of his forked tongue.
Obama can't be blamed for $5 trillion, because almost $2 trillion is due to Bush's last year. And another reason for the bump in the deficits was because Obama decided to include the costs for the wars in the yearly budget and not fund them through "emergency appropriations." The debt would not be as high if Bush hadn't have cut taxes in 2001 and 2003, which added $2 trillion to the debt, or if he hadn't pushed for medicare part D, which was unfunded and added about another trillion. So you are correct, it is the republiCONS fault.
Also, the teleprompter thing is overrated. As I mentioned earlier Obama did not use them during debates in 2008 and wiped the floor with his opponent, and did the same thing during the meeting he had with republiCON leader during the health care debate.
As opposed to the gems we get from Republican candidates when they do not use a teleprompter?
"Women should accept their rape baby as a gift from God."
"We will have a moon base, and if enough citizens move there, it can be a new state."
"PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air."
"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in."
"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed
"...females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength... males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes"
"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country"
"I don't care about poor people"
Yup... they do great without a teleprompter.
Fairfax Bill, no two periods of time are the same. You should be smart enough to not try that trick. You may WANT things to always be the same, but we live in the real world.
Please try not to pound that one until you get blue in the face...it makes you look desperate.
I keep seeing comments about how if so many Democrats hadn't voted for Santorum, Romney's win margin would have been greater.....
I must have missed it - where did it say that a lot of Democrats DID vote for Santorum? I saw the remarks about Santorum "robo-calling" Democrats and urging them to vote against Romney, but I saw nothing to say that actually happened. Can anyone point that out?
Didi-376564Rick:
Mitt Romney uses teleprompters. Rick Santorum doesn't, which explains why such incredibly stupid things come out of his mouth. Santorum's handlers should not allow him to make any impromptu comments if he wants to win. Same goes for Romney. Every time he goes off-script, he starts babbling about trees or how he likes to fire people. He is wise to never answer questions in debates and never go on talk shows where he'll make a fool of himself like he did in his few forays into talking-head land earlier in the campaign. All of GOP candidates should always be prerecorded and heavily edited before presenting them to the public if they want to beat Obama.
JLS-3799002
Last night on CNN, they said an exit poll showed that 10% of the primary voters were Democrats and 50% voted for Santorum while 15% voted for Romney. If true, that means that the Democrats added 3.5% to Santorum's total. to get to his 38% of the vote.
Those who post here from the Right are really cranky today; more than usual. Must be that they've come to realize that Mitt couldn't win in his "home" state. Yeah, the numbers are 41-38, but Mitt and Rick will probably split the delegates which means this circus will continue.
Did anyone notice the vote totals last night watching the results? They seem awfully low, even with Democrats voting in Michigan. No one takes this group of candidates seriously. They're slowly resigned to the fact that Mitt "I like firing people" Romney will be the nominee. They hate it, but they're resigned to it which is why he's winning, but can't capture even 50% of the vote against his half-wit opponents.
Someone, I can't recall who, said that when the nominee is chosen, conservatives of all stripes from all corners of the country will come together in their desire to unseat President Obama. Uhhh, I don't think so. If the party loyalists, who are those that typically vote in primaries aren't voting, why would rank and file voters race to the polls in November. The GOP is so disheartened right now, they not only are resigned to another term for Obama, they are risking losing the House and keeping the Senate in Dem hands at better than the present 53-47 margin.
If the Conservatives are in this mood after last night, I dunno what NEXT Wednesday will look like after Super Tuesday...
Indie - I don't care about the republicans... they are off the reservation anyway... but Obama I do care about because he happens to be the president. When he says something, it's extremely pertinent. So, for all your deflection back to the republicans, it didn't win any points... they are irrelevant until they actually win something and take control.
Raddave - Of course you have an excuse for everything Obama... typical liberal response... talking points obfuscated about the budget in an attempt to eliminate $2 trillion from Obama's spending habits... in your discourse, you aren't mentioning the $1.2 trillion in stimulus and Omnibus spending Obama approved in 2009.
Of course the teleprompter thing is overrated... but... it's undeniable that when Obama goes off it, that's when the best of the best comes out. I'll remind you the next time he speaks off the teleprompter of his latest and greatest remarks... they are usually a hoot.
Houston
I am sure that if Santorum had a teleprompter he would say even more stupid things. He would simply have faster access to his deranged, homophobic. racist, sacreligeous, sanctimonious, incoherent, thoughts. Jesus would be afraid to give the Ricker a rock. The Ricker would be the first one to throw it. He is no Christian. He is a religeous bigot with a very low IQ.
It's likely due to lack of something the right doesn't seem to partake in. They are called conservatives for a reason.
That $2 trillion does not belong to Obama Brian, it belongs to Bush. And, the CBO estimated the debt for 2009 would be $1.2 trillion, three weeks before Obama became President.
So you don't care about the people running for President... even though, if elected, they will continue to do the thing you are against?
You also state they are "off the reservation" (agreed)... which I can only assume means that you do not support them, and you don't support Obama. Does that mean you will be voting for "None of the above" on election day?
How fast do you think an economy as big as ours could turn around? It doesn't "turn on a dime", so to speak. The rate of job losses in the last months of the Bush Jr. administration hit a peak, and the rate of job losses declined after Obama took office - a chart of the rate of job losses formed the famous "Bikini graph" that Teapublicans like to pretend didn't exist. But it wasn't until 2010, a year after the Stimulus, that the rate of job loss declined to zero, then turned to job gains. That's why unemployment peaked in 2009, it took time to stop the job losses and turn the economy around. But it has turned around, something the Republicans don't like as it hurts their prospects of regaining power.
And you've just proven your own hypocrisy, does that mean you're a "libbie"?. Hmm, which is more offensive and hypocritical: the insulting "Dumb Fux News" or the blatantly racist "Pres. Yomama"? You know, your argument might have carried some weight had you not stooped to wallow in the mud...
Brianb: good luck on your move! I genuinely hope everything works out for you!
On another topic you said, "The teleprompter is totally relevant to Obama. Every time he goes off it, he sparks some crazy new revelation into his inner core..."
You mean the time he said he'd bet Rick "Goodhair" Perry $10,000.00 over some idiotic fib Perry told? Wait, no, that was Romney. How about the time he griped about the two Cadillacs his wife keeps in the garage? ...no, Romney again. I got it! There was the time he was bragging about his buddies who own NASCAR teams...dang, that was Romney, too.
I have a feeling the President will do far better than his mentally crippled Republican opponent in a debate. Mitt's best bet is to just keep his mouth shut and smile...
Indie - I just might vote for none of the above come election day. I might vote for Mickey Mouse... he seems to have a better handle on things the current crop of politicians don't have, nor will ever have.
raddave - The budget from 2009 was still under Obama's watch... so even if Bush signed it, they didn't need to spend it... but spend it they did and Obama was the president at the time. He could have stepped in and slowed it down, but as we all know, Obama isn't about slowing down spending as been proved over the 2 years he was responsible for the budget... and I noticed you completely bypassed the $1.2 trillion in stimulus and omnibus spending that he initiated. Oh well... liberals always want to look at the bright flowers and never dig in the dirt.
thank you, Houston! I don't have cable television, so my facts are a little behind and I don't always catch everything, LOL
which is why i don't post as often as you and others - newday, David Walker, DaNoid, phinephancy, Backhouse, DCIA and others always end up saying exactly what I'd like to say, only about 100 times better than I would have :) i just read for the entertainment value, and occasionally throw in a comment or two for fun
oh and Sarah#s - loved your gilligan's island mockup above, and your posts from yesterday going back and forth with JAS1 - I think I fell in love with you!! They were priceless!!
Indie - if BrianB doesn't care about the Republicans you quoted because they aren't President but Obama is.....well what about a Republican President then? GWBush gave us more examples of foot-in-mouth than Obama could ever hope to.
"Fool me once, shame on me.....fool me...you can't get fooled again," anyone??
How bout when he tried to walk off stage through the fake door? Huh?
If anyone needed a teleprompter, it was him, although Romney and Santorum are definitely vying for the title on that one!
Actually the minute Pres Bush announced that he would open up more leases for offshore drilling the price dropped before he left the news conference and before Saudi started pumping more oil. In fact in April of 2006, the Bush Administration suspended purchases of oil to supplement the National Strategic Petroleum Oil Reserve, thereby leaving more oil for the consumer market and helping to bring prices down.
Yes, President's and/or World Leaders can affect the prices at the pump. To say they don't is saying Iran's leader doesn't have any affects on the prices, which would be an inaccurate statement. As for shortage due to sanctions on Iran in July that's hard to believe since both Canada & South America can more than make up for those loses. Might affect it a little bit, but its not going to increase like it is now, which is far more than 2006 & 2008.
Why is it increasing so much? Well there is far more then a temporary glut in the market today. Several factors are affecting the price of oil here in the US. Not necessarily in order but:
1. Instability of the Middle East
2. Falling Dollar
3. Stricter Regulations brought on by US & State Governments as well as the EPA.
4. Failure to implement the pipeline from Canada to TX
4. Refineries closing operations due to not being profitable to operate or closed for maintenance that will last 30 days or more. (The major reason we are seeing a hike in price) One of the world's largest oil refineries in the US Virgin Islands closed. Atlantic Coast refineries reduce output of the auto fuel therefore we are having to increase our imports from Europe which increases our costs.
It's not a simplistic as a single problems, but if this Administration announced immediately it was going to do the pipeline, even if we wouldn't get oil that day or a month from now, yes you would see a price drop at the pump immediately. See spectators spectate on the "future". But, all the other items need to be dealt with also in order for us to see below $3.50 a gallon and possibly below $2.50/gal. That's not going to happen anytime soon considering our debt, our refinery situation and the many regulations the States & Feds keep implementing.
Bush did NOT sign a budget for 2009. The dems passed a continuing resolution funding the govt thru march 2009. They wanted to wait for Obama to be sworn in, and then they were going to pass a budget. We're still waiting. The one time he put one to a vote, it lost 97-0. He couldn't even get a single democrat to vote for it. So pretty much everything spent in 2009 was the democrats and then the democrats with Obama.
http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Consolidated_Security,_Disaster_Assistance,_and_Continuing_Appropriations_Act_of_2008
Gas prices? Obama's Energy Secretary Stephen Chu - "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost gas prices to the levels in europe"
Mission Accomplished, Mr Chu.!
http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html
Inflation? Under Obama the Fed is planning to devalue our currency on purpose by 30%. This means your savings, your retirement, everything will not be able to keep up in earnings. Plainly speaking, he will impoverish us all.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/06/the-federal-reserves-explicit-goal-devalue-the-dollar-33/
The President's administration is releasing funny unemployment numbers to try to get re-elected. Shameful.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/02/09/dont-be-fooled-the-obama-unemployment-rate-is-11/
The President is trying to enact legislation by executive order to prevent ICE from enforcing our immigration laws. Oh yes, he can't get the dream act passed, so he legislates by executive order. Meanwhile, he sues any state that tries to protect themselves from the flood of Illegals.
http://www.ice.gov/doclib/secure-communities/pdf/prosecutorial-discretion-memo.pdf
President Obama is furiously working to destroy your constitutional rights! In direct violation of his oath of office, when he swore to uphold The Constitution.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-december-7-2011/arrested-development---one-way-train-to-gitmo
Obama is a fraud. He is not a man that any true liberal could in good conscience support, not because of his race, or any of the other silly excuses his supporters make for him.
No true liberal could support Obama based on his own actions.
He is destroying our Great Nation.
Liberals for Ron Paul 2012
Cawf, I mean calf, I mean cough, you forgot to take your medicine for the crap coming out of you. it sounds like you have a case of the morons. it also sounds like you are brainwashed and very angry. as a mental health professional, I diagnose you as delusional. I, at least, know what I am talking about. from my experience working with the mentally ill, they are so sick inside of themselves that they treat others the way that they feel inside. I'm sorry, you have been corrupted by the manipulative re"pig"licans. It is so enraging that they want everyone else to think like them and do not accept diversity and change. America is and always will be about diversity and change. The re"pig"licans want everyone to be christian and live in this fundamental traditional way which is a virus to this country. The US will always be held back centuries and an eternity as long as re"pig"licans and "con"servatives have any or some power in our political system because all they want you to believe is what they believe, which is a little bit of people need to be rich and everyone else needs to be poor and only a little bit of the people have all the power. That sounds to me like an aristocracy or monarchy. It makes me sick to think that the re"pig"licans want America to be like a fascist or royal state. All they do is lie, lie, lie, and lie. They do not want what is best for Americans and the country, they want what is best for them. They are so selfish and evil and do not belong in this wonderful country. America is the greatest country in the world and has continued to be violated and destroyed by the greediness and deleterious ways of the re"pig"licans. Again, the US will never positively develop and be at its best and optimal performance until all re"pig"licans and "con"servatives no longer hold positions in any policitcal realm (locally, state, federal, house, senate, and presidency). The country will continue to suffer as long as re"pig"licans exist.
It's very upseting that the re"pig"licans blame everyone else for the country's problems but cannot take any responsibility for themselves and the problems that they cause. Forever, the democratic presidents and congress have been fixing the "con"servatives' misktakes and problems. When things are going right near the end of a democratic presidency and congress and then into the re"pig"lican's tyranny (thanks to the democrats), the re"pig"licans want responsibility for the success even though they did not pass any policies to add to the success. Then, when things go wrong near the end of the re"pig"licans tyranny and at the start of the democratic leadership and administration, they will not take any responsibility for the horrible mistakes that were made and the damage that was done and end up blaming the democrats for their stupid and ignorant policies and decisions. It is scientific fact that the country ends up with depressions and recessions again and again when the re"pig"licans have control as the president and in the house and senate. All they can do is continue to brainwash all of the innocent yet ignorant citizens by promising them with things they cannot deliver on and lie to them. I do not know what is worse, the aweful and evil re"pig"lican and con"servative politicians or the stupid citizens who vote for them. Ultimately, I balme the politicians. You cannot blame the victim for what the offender has done. Yes, re"pig"licans are offenders and should be arrested and be in prison for all of their crimes against the American citizens. They have stolen, lied, and murdered.
Ahh, Bill, still comparing Obama to your party's idol Ronnie Reagan??? Let me tell you one thing about the 1980s recession: IT WAS PALE COMPARED TO THIS RECESSION!!!!!!! Do you really think that you can compare this recession to the one Reagan had??? That is a new low. And you are right; the recovery is slow. Then again, so was the Great Depression, and as this is the biggest recession SINCE the Great Depression I would expect it to be slow. And you fail to acknowledge that unemployment was high under Reagan's first term, and it was declining steadily in 1984. Besides, that recession was engineered by the Fed to cut inflation down from 13.5%. And you think Ronald Reagan is so great, huh??? Well he tripled the debt with his defense spending; he even cut social services. Plus he brainwashed millions of Americans by scapegoating the government and his deregulatory policies set the stage for the Great Recession. Looks like you righties need to catch up on your American history.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
DOWN WITH THE FASCIST ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE GOP 2012
DEMOCRATS 2012
Romney will never win Michigan in November - people here LOATHE him. I have republican officeholders in the family and they won't be voting for him (or Republican at all). The whole slate of Presidental noms are just so extreme, they are unelectable. Santorum barely won and he was running 'destroy the gays', 'keep women barefooot and pregnant in the kitchen' and 'eliminate the separation of church and state' ads here. And Governor Snyder is an idiot that's doing nothing but harm. it will be an ugly fall for Repubs in Michigan.
Mitt's Wolverine triumph ought to be -- and has been - met with a collective "big deal" from the people. Michigan had been a safe haven from Romney throughout his second presidential bid, holding a massive lead in the polls only weeks ago. It';s his home state. He had to win it. Now the increasingly bitter and disorganized Republican caravan moves on to Super Tuesday and other states far less kind to Romney and his, um, "special" brand on conservatism. Until the establishment manages to quiet the raucous right, this thing is nowhere near being over. http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Romney's win was a classic ugly win. He won because Rick Santorum lost, who gave it away. Here you have a fellow, whose father was a popular Governor of the state of his birth, and he barely broke 40%. And with the 'win', he still hasn't offered any plans as to what he wants to to do differently from President Obama.
As the economy improves, it takes away Romney's one so called selling point. It is not enough to be just against the President, so what we may come down is a choice simply between two men. One who grew up and knows what its like to work hard to achieve and make something of your life, and another who has had everything handed to him from the moment he took first breath.
As we have few voters who grew up having a life such as Mr. Romney who so far is having a very hard time connecting with the voters, it behooves his campaign to present a plan, a workable plan, that will appeal to more than 40% if he wants to be successful in his quest. He has little connection with social issues, he has been all over the place trying to appeal to many who honestly don't believe him. It is obvious, he will say whatever to whomever to try to get a vote. In my judgement, there is no substance to him, or as David Pflouf the President's adviser, said he has no core, no core in a bloc of voters, no core in a vision, he is just a shell in a fancy suit.
Romney's win was a classic ugly win. He won because Rick Santorum lost, who gave it away. Here you have a fellow, whose father was a popular Governor of the state of his birth, and he barely broke 40%. And with the 'win', he still hasn't offered any plans as to what he wants to do differently from President Obama.
As the economy improves, it takes away Romney's one so called selling point. It is not enough to be just against the President, so what we may come down is a choice simply between two men. One who grew up and knows what its like to work hard to achieve and make something of your life, and another who has had everything handed to him from the moment he took first breath.
As we have few voters who grew up having a life such as Mr. Romney who so far is having a very hard time connecting with the voters, it behooves his campaign to present a plan, a workable plan, that will appeal to more than 40% if he wants to be successful in his quest. He has little connection with social issues, he has been all over the place trying to appeal to many who honestly don't believe him. It is obvious, he will say whatever to whomever to try to get a vote. In my judgement, there is no substance to him, or as David Pflouf the President's adviser, said he has no core, no core in a bloc of voters, no core in a vision, he is just a shell in a fancy suit.
The FR Gremlins are out this morning. Sorry for the double post.
Romney at 41% in Michigan with all the Time and money he spent here is a loss, no matter how you dress it up. Newt barely did anything here and he got 7%. "Home" state victory my ass. More like the "home" state punched him in the face.
mattpfl, you said it. This won't be over until the "fat lady sings" and I don't even hear the orchestra playing yet.
Gingerbread Mamma, Devie--well said also. The gremlins have been frequent visitors here this week. Last night, had trouble trying to write a comment let alone post it.
GbM ... "He won because Rick Santorum lost, who gave it away." Have you ever seen a front-runner manage to talk his way into a loss as effectively as Santorum did? I think he's actually surpassed Perry and Bachmann in the "ball lost in the weeds" category.
Agree Tired, I'm no fan of either one of them, but Santorum was astonishingly stupid, in the statements he made over the past week. He was so angry in some of those statements, you can only conclude it clouded his judgement, which opens up so many questions as to how good that is. Very poor I would conclude.
The headline on today's paper shouted: “True statesman is bowing out.” This is how the news that Olympia Snowe is declining to run for re-election is hitting Maine.
Will Maine's senate seat go to A Democrat? Oh, most assuredly. I predict it will be Mike Michaud's, the Democratic Rep from the most conservative district, who handily won re-election in 2010, even as the Tea Party swept into power. Michaud is a champion of Veterans issues, and a pragmatic booster of clean industries in Maine. He is that rare creature in today's political climate: a man of substance who is likeable.
The Republicans were not prepared for Snowe's retirement, and will likly run Pete Cianchette, the wealthy scion of a construction family, who made a fortune in investment, served as ambassador to Costa Rica, and dabbles in politics (aka Romney without the charisma.)
"(aka Romney without the charisma.)" Wouldn't that make him dead?
Michaud sounds like a good replacement for the reasonable Ms Snowe.
Snowe retiring is great news, Maine and the nation lose a RINO, and Maine finally gets the chance to run a real republican for the seat. Hopefully Collins will retire at the end of this term as well and the RINO's will be one step closer to extinction.
Spew all the fantasy you want about Michaud, but in truth he is nothing more then a big government tax and spend liberal that has been in lock step with Obama's fiscally irresponsible agenda. Michaud helped the Democrats turn Maine into a welfare state, and he offers nothing more for the nation. But he hails from a district in Maine addicted to welfare thanks to decades of Democrat control in the state, so promises of free handouts should easily buy him the seat.
I didn't know Romeney had any...
Rick numbers, exactly what is a "real republican"? While you're at it, what is a "real American"? Inquiring minds want to know.
Ms. was a true champion for the state of Maine and the United States Senate. Job well done Senator. I may not have agreed with all of her stances but I sure do admire her grit.
RINO? DINO? Those acronyms are stupid. You are either a member of the party or your not. Diversity is what makes a political party and also our country strong.
"Ohio, take a deep breath and hold it, That dirtbag Santorum is coming to your State"
Price your precious stock market in what matters -- gold, silver, gas/oil -- when obalmer took office and now and you'll find what you may have made in the market you lost in a depreciating dollar. Worse, goods and services being more expensive hurts those NOT invested or with no means to invest the worst.
Factor in those "long term unemployed" who quit looking and you'll find unemployment over 10%. Chicago itelsf has an unemployment rate of 10.2%. You can choose to believe a corrupt government or you can choose to believe actual facts.
Do what you want, the only path to prosperity is private investment, not government investment.
Isn't the phrase "white knight" racist?
Isn't the phrase "white knight" racist?
Romney's win in Michigan means squat. For one reason mentioned in the article:
Santorum's extremism is showing. These are not gaffes. This is what Santorum is about, and he can whine all he wants about the media focusing on his religious positions, but these are the issues Santorum is really obsessed with -- A theocracy (no Separation of Church and State) including the education system.
With that said... Romney's narrow win in Michigan and other states does not bode well. Romney can win states with large Mormon populations like Arizona, of course Utah, and Idaho. The lower turn-out for the caucuses and primaries thus far, along with narrow wins, and inability to win in the south is proof that voters realize Romney is NOT presidential material.
Romney's speech last night seemed to have been stolen in part from Santorum in regard to the same old idiotic red meat from the Keystone pipeline to the Affordable Care Act. But Romney really pissed me off with his continued disrespect in referring to the president as "Mr. Obama." This is VERY telling, and smacks of Birther-type questioning of the president's legitimacy.
Romney has lived a life of privilege, of being the boss who is not challenged or even advised, who has avoided the press and gets snippy when questioned. Republicans should demand references. Where are the business associates or folks who worked with Romney when he was governor? Where?! My guess is Romney has stepped on people to make his fortune, and was difficult to work with when he was Governor. A president MUST accept advise, and MUST be able to interact with the media, and MUST have compassion for the "little people." Romney is NOT cut out to be POTUS.
As for the "white knight," there is no such thing. Jeb Bush said the Teapublican Party no longer aligns with his views. We're talking about a Bush, and we're talking about a Bush involved in the Terri Schiavo fiasco along with the likes of Santorum saying the GOP/TP is now so far to the Right that he's not interested.
Which dove tails into Olympia Snowes comments about polarization. As long as everything is filibustered (in particular without having to actually filibuster), the number of seats needed by either Party to control the Senate will be a super majority of 60 seats. So the math needs to be in accordance with this sad fact, and why people need to get out and VOTE for the president as well as Dems for congress and at the state level. We need to get rid of the Teapublicans in the House, 60 Dems in the Senate, and President Obama for four more years!
@Damage
I love it when you kids learn new words. The Republican spin doctors feed them to you and you just use them over and over and over again. Hey, you can put all the lipstick you want on those little piggies, they're still butt ugly piggies who happen to be wearing lipstick. My advise to you is, grow a tooth and we'll see you in 2016 after the GOP/tp goes back to being the GOP and gets rid of the tp. I'm pretty sure they will if they take the expected drubbing in November.
Should Wyoming Build an Aircraft Carrier?
By Tim Murphy
| Mon Feb. 27, 2012
On Friday, the Wyoming House of Representatives advanced a bill to set up a task force to prepare for the total economic and political collapse of the United States. Per the bill, the panel would investigate things like food storage options and metals-based currencies, to be implemented in the event of a major catastrophe.
An amendment by GOP state Rep. Kermit Brown*, calls on the task force to examine "Conditions under which the state of Wyoming should implement a draft, raise a standing army, marine corps, navy and air force and acquire strike aircraft and an aircraft carrier." As the bill's GOP sponsor, state Rep. David Miller, explained to the Casper Star-Tribune, "Things happen quickly sometimes."
Buying an aircraft carrier is, as a rule, a great idea, but there are a few hiccups, not the least of which is that Wyoming is currently landlocked. Its largest body of water, Yellowstone Lake, is frozen from December through June and sits in the middle of a giant volcano that stands about as good a chance as anything else at triggering the aforementioned societal collapse. In that sense, Wyoming has a lot in common with another mineral-rich, landlocked, mountainous territory—Bolivia. Bolivians, who have a national holiday honoring the day in 1904 they lost their coastline to Chile, have made the best of their situation by maintaining a small flotilla on Lake Titicaca. No aircraft carrier, though.
Wyoming's real problem, though, is that buying an aircraft carrier entails paying for an aircraft carrier. The newest Nimitz-class vessel, the USS George H.W. Bush, cost an estimated $6.2 billion to construct (aircraft sold separately), 50 percent more than the state's annual budget of $4 billion. The Bush took eight years to make, so if Wyoming broke up the payments accordingly, it would amount to a $775 million annual expenditure. With each additional year you add to the construction, the costs increase and the technological advantages are diminished. Take too long and those Bolivians might catch up.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/should-wyoming-build-aircraft-carrier
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I sure do hope that you’ll Yahoo’s get your issues with the rational, sane and thinking members of the American Public worked out real soon. That would be most of us by the by.
I mean all this Gloom and Doom, Apocalyptic Visions, End of the World as we know it is starting to wear on folks.
Hell you got the good folks of Wyoming ready to take up arms and invade Canada or maybe the Caymen Islands.
Just wait. It won’t be long before those Yahoo’s down in Texas exercise their option to secede and maybe invade France.
Independent ... now there's an idea that Santorum can use to show that he cares about JOBS. He can push for building a giant modern-day Ark.
Wonder how the folks in Wyoming feel about the Mayans, Hopis and Nostradamus?
TOG -- That's funny! LOL
Thank you'll fellers for adding to the humor this morning. This Republican/ T.P thing is just getting so pitiful that I feel the need to giggle at them a little ocasionally. Anybody in wyoming I might have offended my apologies and it should be known that you'll up there rejected this deal yesterday.
IR, after so many "you've got to be kidding" moments from repubicans, this one has to leave people asking if the GOP has anything left in their collective heads. An aircraft carrier in Wyoming proposed by Kermit Brown? Good thing I sat the cup of coffee down after the first sentence.
P.S. Loved your added humorous thoughts. LOL
Tired Old Guy - Oh heavens don't give Santorum any ideas! I can't take his walking backwards anymore.
Tired Old Guy, good one, too. I'll bet Santorum and the others are kicking themselves for not thinking of it first.
IR.......thanks for this giggle. I saw that as a headline yesterday, and then couldn't believe it was for real, thought it was from the Onion. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
Jody, I'm sure you'll have this in your Weekly Review although this week so far has produced a bumper crop of idiotic statements and actions.
TOG...I'm with Katheryn.....dont give him any ideas, however, on second thought, if he were to build an Ark, I have a few names he could take with him, in fact, I have pages of names!!! lol
a giant modern-day Ark.
That's Great!
I cannot see how anyone can look at that and think "well that's a good idea".
The $1.6 billion price tax comes to about $7,500 per household, not so bad if Glen Beck has them convinced that Armageddon is around the corner. Plus by now they all should have their stash of gold (sold by the same Glen Beck).
If they could form an alliance with Idaho and Oregon, the may get a parking place on the Columbia. Bunch of skinheads in ID, they will sign up.
As for Texas, the better course would be for TX to exercise it's right to subdivide into five states. Austin has more residents than WY, we would make a fine state.
Independent R,
This is right up GOP's alley from all the angles.
Panic & Fear - are both longterm and shorterm strategies for GOP/Koch/A.L.E.C./Norquist.
The United States announced a major diplomatic breakthrough with North Korea Wednesday.
Under an agreement reached in direct talks in Beijing last week, North Korea has agreed to allow the return of International Atomic Energy Agency nuclear inspectors, as well as to implement a moratorium on long-range missile tests, nuclear tests, and nuclear activities at Yongbyon, including uranium enrichment activities, the State Department said. In return, the United States will provide North Korea with a major food aid package...................See there you'll Yahoo's. Food and Butter trump Bombs and guns every time. Good On you'll. One less problem to worry about.
Last debate Ron Paul looked at Santorum and called him a Fake with a smile, this is hilarious because l was thinking of the same thing. Ron - words of Wisdom !
IR -- I read that too. Let's hope they continue to talk and engage in the real world. At the very least the good news is that those starving may have a chance at survival. May good prevail.
IR - regarding n korea, you think this will work this go around? I mean it has always worked for us in the past right? So independent, what comes first the food or UN inspection teams?
on the other topic, doom and gloom. What is better a series of small course adjustments to restore rational economics or a hard course adjustment to avoid the ice berg? Many would prefer to look down the road to the horizon rather than the mantra of the left to practise business as usual.
Since you like carriers what takes longest to stop or turn 90 degrees? The carrier or destroyer?
David Skywalker- First of all David, you take this site waaaay too damn seriously. This is NOT the HuffPost, Daily Kos, MoveOn.org etc...You need to realize that this site is nothing more than a chat room for Obama groupies. Many of your friends already know this, which is why they post nothing but inane little comments ragging on people who disagree with them (aka non-Obama supporters). This could just as well be the American Idol message board with school girls bickering over who sang the best song last night.
Second, stop your sobbing, you sniffly little female dog! I don't know what's worse; the fact that you wring your hands in angst over the rantings of the right-wingers or the fact that you completely ignore the similar (and often more inflammatory) rants of the left-wingers. I'm going to be following the things said by the usual idiots that you praise on here and call you out each time you don't whine like a baby Pomeranian when they post a personal attack the way you do with me. This makes you a HYPOCRITE. Big surprise there.
And Jack in Portsmouth, now that you've admitted you sided with the enemy all those years ago, I feel even more ashamed to even know who you are. At least you can admit you were a communist sympathizer. Many of the lefties from that era STILL deny it. Thank you for providing more proof that Joe McCarthy was right. I wish many of the communists on this board would have that nerve... PLEASE do what you've been promising to do for weeks now and put me on ignore. I know it'll be hard for you, but doesn't your Little Red Book say anything about keeping promises? Hahahaha. I kill me!
NO-BAMA IN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously Damage, are you for real?
Damage==David Skywalker- First of all David, you take this site waaaay too damn seriously. This is NOT the HuffPost, Daily Kos, MoveOn.org etc...You need to realize that this site is nothing more than a chat room for Obama groupies=====Damage, are you saying that you are an Obama groupie? If not why are you here?
Yes king. And there are MILLIONS of me.
Hey! Yall are doing pretty good. This threads been open for like, 25 minutes now and none of you ignoramouses have taken Chuckie Todd out of context and accused him of being a right-wing shill! Congrats!
By the way, will any of you dimwits that were doing that yesterday apologize to Chuck for such a serious accusation? Did any of you even acknowledge how full of it you were yesterday when you did it and then were shown your error? NO. Of course not. You just go on your merry little way. Pathetic hacks.
Seattle- Loved you at the Preakness back in 78'. I was rooting for you! No, I'm not an Obama groupie obviously. First, I have a brain. Second, I have a job. Third, I DO NOT have white guilt. I am here to daily have my feelings and contempt for the left validated and confirmed. These people are like a battery charger. If I can expose these people for the mindless hypocrites they are, confirm that there are indeed people who think like the people I read about in the news, it gives me hope for America to see that they are a fringe element. Obama himself wouldn't want anything to do with 95% of these jackasses, and thats saying something. Plus, abusing lefties on the internet is better than what I would have done years ago. It's legal, for one thing.
"Many of your friends already know this, which is why they post nothing but inane little comments ragging on people who disagree with them..."
Haha! HAHAhaha, hah.
Really Damage, are you serious?
Garbage man, complete garbage. Really? There wasn't a single fact in that little rant of yours, just butt-hurt. At least you've cut back on the CAPS.
"Plus, abusing lefties on the internet is better than what I would have done years ago. It's legal, for one thing."
Funny, because last time I checked, you inane conservatives are usually hilarious both in their statements and reactions.
I do not give a crap who you are out there but if you write in childish caps seeking to give attention to an insult or inane argument on your part, your post goes unread by me.
Georwell ... looks like we are of a mind here.
Damage: With friends like you, the Republican party doesn't need enemies. Keep at it. You are your own democratic recruiting tool. (Do you secretly work for the DNC?)
Dear friends:
damage is a troll. Do not feed.
Thanks, love, newdayDAWNING.
Lots of folks working on having this hateful moron banned. Collapsed as it should have been.
Damage- Anger is bad for one's health, calm down breath. Now, we know it's frustrating that you don't have a viable candidate. But please don't put the blame on us, We have one, the President. Maybe your rants would be better suited, on a faux noise site, with people that speak gibberish, like you. Obama 2012
Enough said. damage the 50's called it seems they are short one idiot.
Sorry, "I shall resist."
I like that NCAA football analogy. Nicely done.
Paul, I was thinking somewhere in the great beyond, Vince Lombardi was smiling. (Or Al Davis - "Just win, baby")
Sheesh, women. He was a pro coach, phine. :)
The NCAA thing works on a lot of levels, and probably best captures what's happening by comparing it to a BCS-ranked team that just needed a win to keep glory hopes alive, but by winning so unconvincingly in a game it should have handled better, that team manages to further ramp up anxiety levels among its fans. And if a ranked team loses a game it probably shouldn't, there won't be a BCS championship game for them. It was assumed the same might be true for Romney in Michigan (wouldn't have a chance to take on Obama for the title if he lost this one).
Plus, for the conspiracy theorists out there, another level is that so much of the BCS thing isn't decided on the field (analogous to elections) but instead decided in the ranking computers (analogous to rigged elections).
Yes, I know they were representative of the pro's, but they had such great lines!
However, in reading your theory and applying it to the BCS (which I hate - give me a playoff, please), I see your point. Romney didn't run up the score necessary (and how about the 'weight' of his win?) to garner more points to rise in the rankings.
Oh yeah, Romney is dropping computer ranking points. But, he's still alive. He's also helped by the fact that one of these guys is going to get into the title game. Here, the analogy falls short. If a Big 10 school was number two, then it would have to worry about an ugly win dropping it to third, behind an SEC school. In this case, there are only two BCS conferences.
Theoretically, a third party candidate could challenge in the general election, just as theoretically a Mountain West school could be ranked number two. But there's only so much fairy dust to go around.
Paul,
If Romney were to represent a Big 10 school going up against a SEC school - well, I would take the SEC school anyday. Big 10 never does well in the big bowl games. SEC loves 'em and does well (an aside here - I belong to Gator Nation, so I am biased for the SEC).
Let's see, Obama would definitely be Big 10, Gingrich would be SEC, Ron Paul would be Big East (soon to be ACC), Santorum would be Big East or Big 10 (that whole Pitt, Penn St divide), and Romney could claim Big East, Big 10, Pac 10, Big 12 and Mountain West so true to form would probably wait to see which gets the better bowl games. He also could claim Ivy League, but we all know how they do in sports.
And if American football doesn't work out, he does speak French, too. So there's hockey and soccer possibilities.
Paul,
The NCAA has penalized the Gingrich team for violating NCAA rules - no bowl game for him! And, depending on which Texas team, I don't see Dr. Paul in the Big East (ACC)
If Ideology is around, maybe he could direct us to some curling teams?
Phine - Ron Paul is a congressman from Texas, but he's originally from Pittsburgh. The kicker is that after all this time in Texas, he still has some of his 'burgh accent. And I don't care where you go, when you're from the 'burgh, you're from the 'burgh.
Santorum Hands Romney a Win in Michigan. Mitt Romney wins "home state" of Michgan by 3 points is the headline most used this morning. The reality is that Rick Santorum handed Romney the win with repeated steps into a do-do pile of his own making. Santorum wins primaries or caucuses and then starts preaching sermons instead of campaigning. He preaches on the evils of contraception, that President Obama is a "snob" for wanting higher education for America's children, and the biggest pile of dung was "throwing up" because President John Kennedy adhered to the Constitution's clearly stated separation of Church and State.
The evangelical religious right probably loves the sermons but to large numbers of voters including independents, women and, blue-collar workers who have dreams for their children to go to college, we prefer to elect Presidents to organize and run the country not to stand and preach morality from the White House bully pulpit.
We cannot legislate morality. If prohibition taught us anything, it should be that lesson. The idea of prohibiting alcohol because of the impact it had on families was noble. The result was that the Mafia was empowered; the black market and the gangster era manufacturing and selling liquor illegally and making a fine profit in the process rose to replace the local tavern.
We cannot legislate morality. The decades long War on Drugs continues with little impact while millions of taxpayer dollars are spent yearly to fight an un-winnable issue of morality and personal choices however harmful they may be. For decades the Pro-Life Movement has fought to again make abortion illegal. Making it illegal will not stop abortions, it will merely send women back to the allies and quacks just as Prohibition handed over liquor to gangsters. Now we see a new fight to legislate morality emerge in the form of Rick Santorum preaching about the evils of contraception; personhood amendments; forced unnecessary medical procedures in the form of invasive ultrasounds. So much for liberty and freedom for all because women are exempted.
The idea of a Rick Santorum being elected to the Presidency is a disconsorting idea, however unlikely it is. But from my perspective as a person who wants at least two viable political parties, the best thing that could happen to the Grand Old Party would be for Santorum to win the nomination. Let us have the debate about legislating morality. Let us have the debate about birth control and family planning. Let us have the debate about the separation of Church and State and why it is the pillar of our democracy; let us debate what religioius freedom means. Let us have the debate about immigration and education; about fair taxes and living wages. Let American voters really see exactly how extreme the republican party has become. Perhaps, when Santorum loses Barry Goldwater style--the GOP will once again find its way back from the fringe and maybe back to at least the 20th century.
Great thoughts Jody.....IMHO I've noticed how the GNOP have not advanced 1 creative idea as to how to bring America forward...but rather are spinning proposals to bring us back to the dark ages...Our greatest days are when we keep moving forward..not backwards....C'mon America - wake up and see that the GNOP idea of forward thinking is to bring us back to the dark ages....
All the GNOP can say is how terrible Pres. Obama is...of course..you can't turn the Titanic around on a dime like the Rethugs wanted..but heck...stocks are up...unemployment going down...home sales increasing....I;m sure evryone wants it to go faster....but for one party that keeps say NO maybe it would have gone faster.
I watched Santorum last night and he just talks and talks, and says nothing. Gosh, I feel sorry for the poor Secret Service agents that are stuck with him.
Hello Jody,
Great insight on your part. I see Rick Santorum as a very dangerous person that is trying to force the country into following his cult.
Jody,
"You cannot legislate morality"
But Senator R. Blunt of Missouri (R) is sure trying. He has amendment to the highway bill of all things, to allow any employer to opt out of preventive care mandates in the HCA law because of "moral" reasons, not just religious reasons. Twenty organizations signed a letter stating that this is a slippery slope. It could include not providing insurance for" prenatal care for single mothers, no immunizations for children," what ever some employer thinks is morally wrong.
source: NYTimes.
@ Jody.....
Santorums' 'snob' list grew by leaps and bounds last evening as he admitted that even his mother was a 'nurse' and of course his wife is also a nurse and a lawyer....I guess they would be the good snobs!
His speech was rambling on and on about nothing as he and Romney continue their 'class warfare' against each other.
Santorum for the so called 'coal minning worker/industries' versus Romney for the rich folks.
Jody -- Yes, we need more debate. Tomorrow, the Senate is set to vote on Blunt's bill that allows employers to opt out of covering any health treatment they find objectionable. It's not likely to pass. But it shows the public (or at least those paying attention) where the Republicans stand when it comes to health care; you are on your own. They abandoned mandates when Obama picked up the idea and ran with it. Sadly, that is only one example of where the Republican's hypocrisy has surfaced. By pandering to a minority they are abandoning the majority. The time has come for more debates indeed.
Great Post Jody. You can't just hate the other candidate - you have to love your own candidate's ideas.
And the only ideas that are getting a lot of play for the Republican candidates are hatred toward women and anyone who's faith doesn't fall within a narrow range, the elderly on Social Security, anyone on medicare, and all the middle class blue collar workers who are union.
Thanks everyone. Had some time on my hands this morning while waiting for FT and what started out as a critique of the primary and why Santorum lost morphed into the GOPers wish to legislate morality. Some mornings are like that. The GOPers at both federal and state levels are hell-bent on it, too; it's as if they think it's their last chance so they have put aside the baby step approach and gone all out. Glad the GOP decided to do that, too, because one step at a time gets little attention but achieves one more step toward the goal and we're less likely to notice.
Blunt's amendment to a transportation bill is the typical sneaky, back door approach. Both the House and Senate with their many rules need to write one more--no amendments unrelated to the legislation are permitted.
Jody, a great post and so insightful.
On Blount's amendment, watch to see what Scott Brown does, he I believe, co-sponsored it, and if it passes, we can welcome Elizabeth Warren to the Senate, either way, he's toast. The GOP now have so many seats to defend between the House and Senate, they'll need more than Crossroads Superpac as they try to put out all the fires.
Jody, you say true, so true.
At the same time, we know GOP/Koch has cloth ears and will not even debate the American Jobs Act, or creating TWO MILLLION JOBS for us - even now when they should be doing everything possible to help America recover from a great recession.
As for Santorum, try not to snort your tea down yer nose. He said "The greatness of america is we have such diversity".
Man it was ugly! How is he going to beat Obama if can hardly win his home state? I'll tell you, he wont. Obama is going to beat whoever gets the nod.
I don't think it's that big of a deal that he can only win his home state by 3%. That kind of stuff is overrated. For one thing, what the hell kind of mindless, shallow people vote for someone just because he's "from their state"? I live in a state where there are 22 counties. Our current governor won only THREE of them and won the election by a decent margin. We righties in the state hate that SOB so much he refuses to go to any of the 19 other counties where we live. When he runs for Prez in 2016 like they say he will, myself and millions of others will be right there to vote AGAINST him.
if he can't win easily in a place where voters know him best, Republicans are right to chew their nails about his chances of even coming up to par with the loses of "the maverick" and the moose lady. I see the R 'elites' have already all but conceded and are quietly shifting their efforts to hold on to the Senate. (but then again, ...perhaps 'two cadillacs in every garage' is going to surprise them and start catching fire!)
Anybody can beat Obummer, just look at HIS record. Americans can not afford another 4 years with this idiot being in charge of anything.
Put a fork in this idiot president, he is finished. Plan and simple....
How, you couldnt be more wrong. Get an education. Obama WILL win.
Romney = conservative progressive
Obozo = liberal progressive
See any difference?
just your name
Great thoughts Jody.....IMHO I've noticed how the GNOP have not advanced 1 creative idea as to how to bring America forward...but rather are spinning proposals to bring us back to the dark ages...Our greatest days are when we keep moving forward..not backwards....C'mon America - wake up and see that the GNOP idea of forward thinking is to bring us back to the dark ages....
All the GNOP can say is how terrible Pres. Obama is...of course..you can't turn the Titanic around on a dime like the Rethugs wanted..but heck...stocks are up...unemployment going down...home sales increasing....I;m sure evryone wants it to go faster....but for one party that keeps say NO maybe it would have gone faster.
yes your right ..but like god says let the blind lead the blind..or in real term what the bible says let the dead bury the dead
when your done ehugging jody, listen for yourself on what the gop plans for prosperity. it was in mitts acceptance speech. annd good luck to baracalypse trying to defend his censored fabricated record on live tv during the debates. listen to mitts speech. baracalypse has lots a splainin to do! YAAAAAAAAAAAAY MITTT!
Romney wins!! The Teabaggers are on the run - Republican Party for Republicans!! Romney 2012!!
russ, here's an e-hug for you: hogwash. I did listen to Romney's speech and heard no specifics about his economics plan, no explanation of how he plans to create those jobs, no explanation of how he can cut taxes and make government smaller just a lot of Reagan repeat the trickle-down economic disaster chatter. What will Romney eliminate to make government smaller? His plan to save social security is to privatize it, hand the money over to Wall Street and let the games begin. A 20% tax cut for all--figure how much you get and then figure out how much a break Romney who earns $57,000 per day gets. If a person earning $1500 a month gets a 20% across the board raise, how much raise did they get? Compare that to the person earning $10,000 a month--how much raise did they get? Then come here and explain how a 20% across the board tax cut will benefit anyone but those who need no breaks. If Romney's current tax rate is 15%, it means that after a 20% cut, he will pay zero. Know anyone who actually pays a "death tax"? That's because it's empty words; rich people have their wealth sheltered from it and the rest of us don't come close to having to pay it. It isn't what Romney says, it is what he doesn't say. Try asking the tough questions, try digging below the surface--you might be surprised what you find or won't find.
How amazing it was to hear Romney speak about those awful off-shore accounts while his own money vacations in the Caymen Islands.
very well put
the backbone of America is not electing anyone of these people as President
All very good points Jody. But as you look back at the Republican party, particularly when they gained control of the Senate during Clinton's term, you can easily see how they have gotten more divisive and even more hateful in their rhetoric.
Remember how they vilified Clinton while many of them were guilty of the same things? Remember how Frist, Delay and their supporters began the my way or no way style of negotiating. It seems that now Republican candidates are running their campaign on that style.
And any Republican that compares themself to Reagan needs to be shown the door.
please no truth..
Is that because the republicans can't handle the truth?
hahaha yes
In the 2000 GOP primary in Michigan, 1.3 million voters turned out to help John McCain "upset" GWB. Yesterday, only 970,000 voters participated despite vastly increased money being spent and attention/national importance on the race, plus Romney's direct tie to Michigan political nostalgia. The much-ballyhooed Democratic cross-over votes were about the same. In all, a 25% drop in participation this time round.
The GOP needs to be much more concerned about why the voters here responded with a resounding yawn to all their candidates despite all the money spent to get out the vote. That would seem to be considerably more problematic for them heading towards November than who the actual winner of this race turned out to be.
They ARE concerned. That's why Republicans with influence are turning their attention to trying to hold on to the Senate. They know they're going to lose with Romney...but can you imagine how a Scott Brown moderate in the Senate holds onto his seat when he has to defend why Republicans think education is "elite" and why vaginal probes for women aren't "intrusive government interference" but health care options are?
ahhhhhahhhahhhhhahhhh.me Tarzan Romney trees just the right height..cars go rum rum....vote for me.
Wow elvis! That's quite a vocabulary you have there.
thanks I'm edumucated..the Texas way..we can call it dumb down way of talking like your man Romney
Willard will take last night's "ugly" win in Michigan. Had he lost it would have been considered a disaster.
Didn't watch much last night but in what little I caught, Al Sharpton (can't believe I'm giving him credit for this) asked a valid question:
Where are Mitt Romney's business associates? Why haven't we heard from someone who has done business with Romney coming forward to tell us that Romney is a smart, honest business man and a stand-up person?
For a candidate who is fighting an image of a disconnect with people this isn't helping his cause.
Actually, Reverend Al is quite good at pointing out the obvious. I enjoy his show; he doesn't suffer fools. I liked his line last night poking fun at those saying Romney had to hit his "win" speech out of the park and Rev Al, said he did, "a foul ball out the back".
Hey Noid, You make a very valid point. Where are Romneys "friends"? I haven't heard a word have you?
I am an independent with a Dem. lean/.
I thought Romney would have come out gangbusters to defeat Obama this time around. Instead not hardly a sound. I really don't think there is much difference between the two.
Oh there's a difference your boy is a puppet an i don't mean the pres,Vote dem
"If Democrats win in Maine and Massachusetts, then they’ve moved the bar to Republicans needing to win five seats (if Obama loses) and six (if he wins)."
Yet the latest polls have Scott Brown ahead in Massachusetts. Your analysis is straight out of DNC spin central, no surprise.
While Snowe's withdrawal hurts GOP chances, as usual you ignore that many more seats are up for Dems, and the opportunities are there to pick off quite a few.
Really?
First Read writes "If the Democrats win Maine and Massachusetts..."
Bob reads "Scott Brown is going to lose."
Dude, put down your hatred and take a deep breath...it's clouding your reading comprehension skills.
The most amazing image from watching the returns last night was when Romney gave his victory speech live on the 11:00 local news. The local GOP provided the crowd standing behind him with dozens of printed signs reading "Michigan Believes". However, between heads in the foreground & flags being waved, the right & left sides of the signs kept getting cut off, leaving a visual of many, many signs saying "LIE" floating around Romney's head as he spoke.
#1 reason the GOP needs to support gun control -- they can't stop shooting themselves in the foot...
Ha! Good observation.
A win for Romney or Obama is an ugly win. The country loses. Our short-term reality is we will continue to tread water. Our long-term reality is war and 'rumors of wars' brokered with allys now against another sovereign nation who is the newest boogie man. And a continued reality in the form of ever-growing and untenable debt. The stock market swings to artificial ebbs and flows - Greece, stock players, insiders. No anti-war stance exists. No legitimate diplomacy with Iran exists. Backroom coniving and agenda for 'change' in America - away from America - is a transparent agenda. Obama has done more to undermine citizen rights than any prior president and that will continue to escalate. Romney doesn't know any more about how to run the country than Obama, but he doesn't appear to have an agenda of undermining America at its core. Nor does he work to divide the People over increased NDAA restrictions that open up real threat against Americans, or punish religion in mischievious acts to undermine and diminish it, or have a stated mission to work to usurp the Contitution by acting outside of the political system, bypassing Congress to make the executive branch equal to a dictatorship. Obama belittles the Supreme Court in open Congress only to join a field who he says takes advantage, but not without him. Playing party against the country is hollow. Group pandering, insider manipulation and power grabs, all work to continue to undercut citizen rights. Promoting anyone - party affiliation irrelevant - who does not follow the Constitutional law of the country fuels the greatest losses we as a nation will ever suffer. It culminates in the loss of the nation. In that no pride exists, only brief and unlawful privilege. Narcissism is not the answer. The law that protects the individual rights of every citizen under law is.
Curious what the last GOP nominee thinks about this year? You might want to read John McCain's interview with the Boston Herald...
One of the main premises of Greek Tragedy is simple...
"Do good things and good things will happen to you. Do bad things and bad things will happen to you."
The GOP candidates are doing lots of bad things to each other.
Yes you are right, Greek Tragedys are very much like Buddisms. Where what you reap is what you sow. Or the do unto other theme. Or the more you give and the more you get. You know the ying and yang. Life is like that. I think it is a lesson learned for the Republicans this year, a year they they have had a big window of opportunity and have completely squandered it.
"But six? That would mean that Republicans would need to win in a New Mexico or a Florida or a Michigan. It's a tall order.."
Really? A" Tall order" to win just one of three races?
Feb 14: "Republican Congressman Connie Mack now runs dead even with incumbent Democratic Senator Bill Nelson in Florida’s 2012 U.S. Senate race."
First Read spins for the Dems like a top.
how are they going to win with the tea party again..hahahahaha
yayyy!
hahahaha
The Tea Party is on the ropes!! Good riddance, they can't even win here in Arizona anymore!! anyway I thought this was the Republican Party primaries not Tea Party??
The only reason the margin was close is because all the fat-necked union thugs directed their gutless rank and file to get off the sofa and waddle into the polls to vote for Santorum.
did he win???with the fat vote...aww you just don't want to admit there are a lot of anti-Christ voters out there do ya...anti..means God fearing people who say they believe in God..but do the opposite like the scribes and Pharisees did..they killed the truth
aww the man on the bike lies..who works hard with his fingers at Wall street sell.. buy.
...and 4 years ago Rush Limbaugh called for "Operation Chaos".
What's your point?
I was actually pretty disappointed to see that Democratic turnout in Michigan constituted only 10% of the vote. I would have loved to see a bigger number. If I had been in Michigan yesterday, I definitely would have helped Santorum out.
The point is as I wrote it. If the primary voters were republicans, the margin of victory would have been higher, and not "ugly" as the article claims. Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, it it?
Glad to see Elvis is back and posting. His incoherent rants give me a chuckle. The kind of voter Obama needs to stay in power.
OL--It was that "fat-necked"Rick Santorum who paid for the robo-calls urging democrats to vote for him, said so himself right at the end "paid for by Rick Santorum". Who knew Rick Santorum was a union member?
That makes Santorum complicit and he's lost my vote. Unless, of course, he's the nominee. In which case, I'll support him. In fact, I'd campaign for a tricycle if it was running against Obama. It would be more qualified.
No Democrat would waste their time voting for Santorum to further advance his Draconian ideas. It does not matter who the Pukes hoist up to the top of their pile to face Obama. The Pukes will lose in November and lose big.
I'm in Chardon, Ohio, this week.
I thought it would be fun this trip to see if I could get a feel for what would happen on Super Tuesday, but that’s not what the folks in Chardon are talking about this week.
My wife is from Chardon, and I've been here a lot – a hundred times maybe. A lot about Chardon is the same as ever. But a lot is different, and always will be. Right off the bat, you notice that all the flags are at half staff.
Chardon is a pretty little Everytown. As always, the trees are lined with hundreds of maples. This time of year a lot of the maples are sporting sap buckets. But this week the maples are also sporting red ribbons. (Chardon High School's colors are red and black.) This was a center of the maple sugar industry, and they still have a maple festival scheduled in a few weeks. I haven’t heard whether it will go on as usual, but I imagine it will; people seem pretty determined not to let this define them. As near as I can tell the red ribbons are an organic thing that started with kids.
There's a pretty little square in the center of town. It looks a lot like usual, except for all the TV trucks lining the streets, and those red ribbons again. There's a gazebo in the square, and this week there are dozens and dozens of candles around it.
Last night there was a prayer service at the Catholic Church. It’s not a small church, but they still needed to set up a Jumbotron for the hundreds of people who couldn’t fit inside.
There was another memorial service in the square, by the gazebo. There were lots of young people there. You see them in groups of four or six or eight around town; apparently it’s important to be together.
If there’s a silver lining here, it’s the grace, the love, the concern for each other. But it’s not a silver lining you would wish on your worst enemy.
I can’t tell you how many people over the years have found out I went to Kent State, done the mental gymnastics to figure out that I must be somewhere in the vicinity of the right age, and asked me if I was there “then.” I hope that doesn’t happen to Chardon. It probably won’t; we all remember Columbine but I couldn’t name one other town where school shootings have happened since. That’s good for Chardon, but it’s depressing to think this could be something we get used to.
If you’re the praying type, say a prayer for the folks in Chardon. They could use it.
yes but the damage is done..death ..no one will ever hear there voices again...there laughter..there cry are all gone...guns do kill..i pray that gun laws will be enforced..
My husband is from that area. Our thoughts and prayers are with all the people of Chardon.
John,
Thank you for your heartfelt post.
My prayers go out to the families and students at Chardon High School.
It is such a tradegy and a parents worse nightmare.
Sounds like a wonderful town John with good people. That's a strong community you describe.
Will do John. Heartfelt condolences to all suffering over the tragic events that have taken place. We share your grief.
Thanks for sharing your experiences with us, John. My heart goes out to those who have lost loved ones and to the whole community to have to go through such a dreadful experience.
JohnNY, beautifully said. Will send those thoughts and prayers for Chardon.
All hearts are heavy for the town of Chardon; not just for the unimaginable loss for the families of those who were killed or the family of the one doing the killing, it is a sadness for lost innocence. What a tragedy to once again realize, it can happen anywhere.
Thank you John for your poignant post. With all of the political snapping at each other it gives us pause to remember just how precious our children and communities are. Having lost a child, my thoughts are truly heartfelt. I wish you all peace and healing now and in the times to come. Again, thank you.
MITT WON, MITT WONN HAHAHAAAHAHAHAA! So the 5 'REPORTERS" that worte this story then feel the need to write that congress will be taken by dems. Ha, fat chance. You libs are so afraid to prove your failed policies wrong.
You cant have live debates with baracalypse promoting his lies and the lib media perpetuating it. He will be embarrassed, as he should be.
Oh, lastly, all the candidates are great! Thats why all the gop had a hard time picking. Who did you libs ever get, the wife of a president, or some senator that voted present, or all the other lefty loons.
Look who they had to import to go against the massachussetts senator! Libs are a joke. Their politicians are so corrupt its not even funny.
Backhouse
Auto sales (up by 11% in January) are growing so rapidly that Detroit is hustling to keep pace:
Three years after the auto industry nearly conked out for good, 12.8 million cars & trucks were sold last year. The projection is that 14 million will be sold in 2012.
Automakers hiring thousands of workers across the country, adding shifts, and 13,000 jobs more in 2012. Total of 717,000 jobs have been added in the car and parts industries.
Three years after filing bankruptcy in 2009, General Motors now exceeds its peak mid-1990s earnings.
General Motors: Now the world's biggest automaker. With $7.6 Billion in profits - the highest in GM's 103 year history. And 47,500 employees will receive $7,000 in profit-sharing.
Chrysler : Sales increased by 44 percent, faster than any other car company; goals include increasing revenue to $65 billion in 2012, a gain of 18 percent to an overall profit of $1.5 billion.
Ford: Investing $Billions and planning to bring thousands of jobs home to the U.S.A.
In 2008, four hundred thousand auto industry jobs were lost. Chrysler and GM were basically toast.
President Obama rescued more than a million jobs by intervening, and helping the auto industry re-tool & re-structure.
This maybe correct figures but this is from a 80 or 8 billion dollar bailout and tax payers own one quarter of the Chrysler maybe even GM also and Detroit is suppose to have a surge in employment soon. but This is all on tax payers backs, a market that has been manipulated by the government. What about the bailout that Nevada,California,Florida,Chicago Etc. Needs
it was agreed to have a controled bankrupcy that would have cost tax payers less
so what maybe seen as a improvement comes with a price 1 step forward 2 steps back
The media really has to be honest with American people and report things as they are not slanted towards one candidate let people make their own decision with no influence peddling dang i guess I'm asking to much i guess I'm asking too much from the media honesty and integrity
. ... gm and chrysler made a crap product, and in 3 years will be in trouble again.
the shareholders and debtors got stiffed, so its not unlikely to have a profit. it would be like you living without having to pay your mortgage
the economy is anemic, and MILLIONS still out of work
He saved the unions and bought a lot of votes as usual with non stop campaigning on the taxpayers dollars not dime.
BTW, GM still owes taxpayers over $25 billion and isn't out of the woods yet. Google it. The Chevy Volt is price prohibitive unless there's a $10,000 rebate via government subsidies with the poor taxpayers being hit again. What will we do with all those spent lithium batter packs that will need replacement periodically at a cost that GM hasn't revealed yet. The Prius's is about somewhere between $3000 to $4000.
Oh the cost of going green like energy saving fluorescent bulbs that will explode and give off toxic mercury gases if broken. Gaia will have a toxic fit.
With their 7+ billion profits you would think Obama would demand some of it to pay back the 24 billion still owed to taxpayers.
I toohave beenthinkingof mandarts. Let's start withtheones intheState ofVirgina requiring MANDATORTY vaginal utrasound procedures-crafted by a REPUBLICAN legislature.
Let's turn to Congress and the HouseTranportationbill- it MADATES new breathalyzer devices be installed onall new vehicles to prevent drunk driving. Theideais youhavetoblow inthedevbice before the car would start.. This is bya REPBLICAN HOUSE. And it is Speaker Boehmenr's pet bill.
Yes Republica ntalk a great gome. But it's the same old BS.
you bigot scabs go unions go pres 4 more years watergate Clowns
Romney is a weak candidate for the GOP. but he's the best they got. He's unlikely to defeat President Obama in a general election. His victory speech last night sounded like he was trying to do sales job on a new client for Bain Capitol or like he was the first speaker at some financial conference. He's so out of touch with ordinary working Americans that it's ridiculous. Wild, unrealistic "promises" such as he made last night in his speech won't wash.
He reminded me a bit of Dole in 1996. Nice enough personally, I suppose, but lacking charisma or the ability to inspire supporters. He simply read off a laundry list of things that he would manage. Well, maybe if he loses in November he can do ED commercials like Dole did.
I know Romney's handlers won't let him off the teleprompter any more (with good reason), but why can't he find speech writers who know how to write?
I agree with the Bob Dole analogy, Clotho. Romney has a hard time connecting with people - a huge handicap; especially if you're going up against Obama, who is a natural.
It's a long time before the Nov election, and anything can happen. If it was Nov right now, President Obama would win hands down. But just what platform can the GOP really use. The economy is slowly growing, the foreign policy speaks for itself, more terrorists killed by this President than the last one.
Social issues, well the GOP has lost almost all the independent women's votes, almost every minority group has been slammed by these clowns, and country wide, have lost a huge bunch of votes. Then if we get involved in Iran, we will hear of the old tail waving dog manure.
So really, the GOP has to create an incident, and not the price of gas, to really upset President Obama. And while some may think this is nuts, just why are the GOPer's handing Obama his second term? Think about it, a bunch of clowns running against him. Wow, just Wow.
I was thinking about mandates this morning. You know how against mandates the republicans are, especially the health care mandate. With the claim that forcing someone to buy something against their will is illegal.
But then the republicans have no problem mandating that women have and pay for a medical unnecessary proceedure for the republicans religious beliefs.
Forcing women to undergo and pay for an state mandated procedure amounts to nothing more than a state mandated religious fine for women wanting to access their constitutional rights.
Want to know what it is like to live in a religious controlled state like Iran, vote for a republican and find out.
The GOP is banking on the idea that the general population will forget all of Romney's tacking to the extreme right that was done to attract the conservative fringe. Unfortunately they have a basis for this line of thinking - the 2010 mid-terms when people forgot that the GOP policies of unfunded wars, tax breaks for the wealthy and deregulation of the financial markets never destroyed us. They played into our collective fear and capitalized on it. Hopefully we won't be fooled again.
MSNBC is a joke, no mention in the article of the campaign of democrats voting for Paul and Santorum. Most of the comments are liberal nut jobs slobbering over themselves. They have no power of persuasion because of the ludicras left wing bias. They are preaching to the secular choir. What I think is really pathetic is the scrolling comments on the ED Show. The vile hatred spewed is caustic and stupid. This is coming from a guy who calls Rush Limbaugh hate radio. What a line up: Rachel Madcow, Al Shopton, Chris Matthews, Ed Shultz. Has anyone ever seen a comment on any of these shows that wasn't liberal drivel ? They probably scratch their heads and wonder why Fox leaves them in the ratings dust.
you think we are nut cases..oh yeah they seem to cry out conservative slobs all the time when they talk huh..like limbaugh the fat none union slob
yes, without doubt. parrots of the suppressors
oh sorry to burst your bubble they are no longer number one anymore..people have finny seen they are a propaganda machine to the rich only
Yep everyone knows that popularity = quality! Just look at the Pop music charts!
Hey Jerrytrth, go google the term "Open Primary".
Once you understand the definition of the term go check and see what kind of Primary is run in the State of Michigan.
Then after you have done all of that google the term "Operation Chaos".
Get back to us once you've done these things, then maybe the rest of us "liberal educated snobs" will give your rantings some measure of consideration.
Until then, we'll just consider you another product of the Republican Educational System, better known as "FOX NEWS".
Jerry - MSN is a liberal news outlet. The shows you mention are liberal commentators. The message they send out is liberal.I don't know about you, but I don't have enough time to waste it watching shows or reading stories from a source I feel slants the information.
Jerry, I'm not at FOX, however you're at MSNBC ... complaining ????
Katheryn you seem to have plenty of time to waste. You are on a liberal site complaining to liberals about liberal TV programming you claim not to watch.
Like most republicans Katheryn you sound confused.
most republicans are not confused, most I know are very informed and are leaning toward a candidate. It took until June for your pro-muslim anti-christian leader to lock up the nomination.
Nobody believes your lies Bill. There is nobody who is pro-Muslim and anti-christian except in your and faux's vivid imagination.
It makes sense for a party to run on lies only because they have no ideals what to do for our country except more tax cuts and more wars.
Can't forget the republican drive to make women second class citizens with no rights to decide about her own body. Just how does your religion trump my individual rights as a human? Isn't it written in the constitution that your religion should be separate from the laws? The ultrasounds are nothing more than a state mandated religious penalty tax on women who want to access their constitutional rights.
That and the fact that republicans think women are so stupid that without a mandated ultrasound by them that she would have no clue to why she was there.
Republicans the party against mandates unless they are tramping on your rights.
Obama/Biden 2012
Bill15555xxxxxxx whatever
No, Republicans aren't confused. They are convinced. Where there is a lack of intellect, or even common sense, that particular brand of idiocy is not open to rational thinking but merely entrenched in their own falsehoods, lies and bigotry, charging headlong down that dark alley to extinction.
I have to laugh as this dog and pony show rolls from town to town, exposing to the whole world what a bunch of losers the running candidates are. So fixated on getting their sorry a$$es into the big house they jab and claw, tooth and nail at their competition dragging up the dirt, pointing out each others flaws and foibles, idiosyncrasies and inconsistencies, crimes and misdemeanours, as they gradually put more and more points on the board for the incumbent POTUS.
Carry on by all means; don't hold back.
Good grief Bill. You conservatives just throw stuff and just wait to see what sticks. First you wanted him to be a christian when you found out that he attended a church where the minister once ranted in a so called anti-american rage. When that one didn't stick, you went the other route and decided that he was a muslim, simply because he doesn't support the "let's hate all muslims because of the actions of a few idiots" approach. Make up your mind. But besides that...even if he was muslim, I thought this was a nation of freedom of religion and seperation of church and state. You conservatives/republicans are a joke. You all believe in "personal freedoms" and "choices"...as long as it's the ones that you support.
Chuck,
When a Republican says freedom of religion, he means his religion. That means white, anglo saxon protestant. Catholics are now accepted as Christians since protestants need the numbers.
Any other religion is not considered "Real American" by Republicans. Hope this clears it up for you.
Where did you read that, Wikipedia!!! lol. Guess you've missed the headlines:
The Hollywood Reporter
01/31/2012
Fox News Marks 10 Years Atop Cable News Ratings Race
Officially surpassing CNN in the first month of 2002, this January marks the 10-year anniversary of Fox News Channel becoming most-watched cable news network on television....
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Huffington Post
02/29/2012
Cable News Ratings: Top 30 Programs For February 2012
The cable news ratings for February 2012 are in, and things were not business as usual.
Like clockwork, Fox News cleared the top of the list. The network, which celebrated ten years in first place, claimed the top twelve programs in total viewers....
I heard the other day Canada doesn't carry F%%ks,,,you no why Knucklehead it's not a news network they should be on Disney....there rated pg for 13 year olds like all you teabags...if Rupert dosn't fix the election the Dems should smoke your Puppets...you scabs #1 rating is a Joke