I have to ask you, if you have so much pride and not to stoop to the GOP level four years ago, why would you do it now? Wouldn't that make you just as ignorant as the GOP? The funny part is that you have a name for it!

Too funny...........

I know what you mean. Wonder how old Rush feels tonight as he watches democrats play the same dirty tricks that repubicans have for years; Romney admitted to doing it. Come to think of it, wonder how Mitt feels having the game he played done to him.

The Really FUNNY part is paul Florida . Is that the dems are helping The Christian Taliban To Defeat Mittens . LMFAO . Heres a Heads UP for You Though My Obama vote Cancels your Taliban Vote , Here In FLA .

Liberals keep making comments how Obama will easily defeat any of the Republican candidates, but then they go out of their way to try and influence the primary to get a weaker opponent. What are you all so afraid of? That Obama may not be able to defeat Romney.

If Romney loses with this tactic, Limblow will be on the radio tomorrow crying the fix was in. The same fix he kept advocating in 2008.

Funny thing about karma.

Romney is on tape admitting to voting for weak democrats in primaries in his home state elections for the same purpose. Karma is a bitch

Go Santorum, go!

The more we see his face on the tele, the more likely Obama will win!

Bill-2910238

Liberals keep making comments how Obama will easily defeat any of the Republican candidates, but then they go out of their way to try and influence the primary to get a weaker opponent. What are you all so afraid of? That Obama may not be able to defeat Romney.

I am a liberal-progressive. And yes, I want to see Santorum win the election, but for reasons that may surprise you.

If Santorum wins, I think the GOP will end up flushing the Tea Party out of their ranks. Santorum is an embarrasment to all except the evangicals.

I want the old Republican party back. I don't want a Republican party, driven by hatred for a man. I want the good-ole party that will come to Washington, and debate. I want the GOP that would NEVER do what the Tea party did last summer, put the nation at risk, in order to remove "that man" from the whitehouse.

I want my country back -- to get it back, we need the old GOP back!

Tea Party, go away.

Paul, for once I sort of agree with you; I say sort of. It isn't that I, can't speak for Feisty, really agree that Operation Chaos is a good thing but it isn't illegal and having watched republicans do this in 2008 and listening to these guys lie almost nonstop and try to out-conservative, out war monger, and out pander each other for all these months, your sense of pride gets overwhelmed by the BS and you just throw up your hands and think, go for it democrats. Stir the pot a little longer just to see if the right can get crazier or just falls over the edge of the cliff into one big pile of whack-a-do.

Both sides digress to this sleezy behavior.

All is fair in love and war. And sadly, politics has become war, where all that matters in the end is winning, i.e. getting elected.

Bill #1.5, commonsense prevails and no Republican candidate is worth the dust on the soles of President Obama's shoes. Everybody wishes to see the circus acts continue, lots of popcorn yet.

We Can Do It, nope liberals aren't afraid of Mitt Romney; we just find this particular GOP primary the oddest in our memory. Never have I seen such crazy talk coming from not just one or two fringe candidates (R or D) but all of them. The only sane ones like Romney and Huntsman, the GOP doesn't and didn't want. I do agree with one point, a Rick Santorum nominee just might bring the repubican party back to its senses and possibly shove the far right back to the side edge, back to irrelevance where it used to be.

To.chester"""

Nothing...

When the GOP's top two contenders are mired deep in a contest to establish which is the best loser of the two, I think you have more to worry about than why Obama doesn't need an opponent in the Democratic primaries, Chester.

I've lived in 3 states in my life although I have only considered 2 my home at the time. Both of those have open primaries. newspeople want to call the crossover vote mischief votes. I've found that often those are people disatisfied with their party voting the other primary looking for a candidate they can support. I think what you may be finding are democrats and independents really voting who they think they could support on the other side.

Santorum will make a fine loser in November if Romney fumbles the ball. If Mitt pulls himself together and wins the primary race, then he will be the GOP's #1 loser. Either way, President Obama will stroll to reelection on the backs of the right wing lunatic fringe.

Obama by default in November! The GOP doesn't want to play!

lonereb if you believe that then you probably assume Colbert is a sincere conservative!

I disagree, lonereb. How could any well-informed sane person support Santorum?

O.K. Romney won both Arizona and Michigan so all of you left wing nuts can go to sleep now. You know that all your wishing didn't pay off even with the democrats voting for Santorum,

Hopefully Santorum and Gingrich will drop out of the race, but both, like Obama, have ego problems.

Meanwhile, Romney is doing well with all the voting groups in between (somewhat conservatives, moderates, non-evangelicals).

The right wing is going to vote for the Republican nominee. The left wing is going to vote for Obama. It's the votes in the middle that are going to make the difference.

chester12

Him losing and he will anyway like the Democrats did last Election.

Don't speak so grandiosely about yourself, Reds. In the game of politics, you're not a player, or a participant of any sort whatsoever.

You're just another nameless point on a huge, homogenized landscape, trying to wail at the top of your feeble lungs that your coke is better than their pepsi.

Your ideas and views are neither novel, nor enlightened, and appeal only to those even grayer and less innovative than yourself.

"It's the votes in the middle that are going to make the difference."

Since the Republican Party abandoned the moderate voters in a frantic rush to secure the votes of the right wing lunatic fringe this bloc of voters is measurably moving toward President Obama as a alternative to the extremists and crooks the GOP is desperately propping up in the primaries. The Republican Party is a Party of exclusion, not inclusion, and that is not a strategy that wins elections.

Like your posts, Feisty. But I think I have a minor correction? It is not Operation Chaos this time around. It is "Operation Hilarity." (you cannot make this stuff up!) And since Mich. is an open primary, and delegates are proportional, both Romney and Santorum are going to have their delegates peeled away in different directions. And YES. Let's turn Shrub's battle cry of "Bring it On," along with Limbball's crowing about Operation Chaos into a battle cry to end the insanity of the GOP.

It is "Operation Hilarity." And in the words of Dave Barry "I swear am not making this up."

What democrat in their right mind is going to vote for Santorum?? Anti anything regarding womens rights for one!!! WTF dems?????????????? There have got to be plenty of viable democrats to run in this race that are better than Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!! And plenty a damn well better than this crazy repub!! Hilary should have thrown in her hat. I would vote for her!!!!!!!

The most hilarious part of operation hilarity or whatever you call it is that all those Democrats who voted Republican in Michigan now have to vote Republican in the presidential election otherwise their votes don't count. Ahhh Michigan law that is perfectly legal thanks to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Of course actually reading it and seeing that stuff like this is in there and disagreeing with it would make you racist so enjoy your vote rigging. Sorry you just lost your vote in the presidential election.

Bob,

Anyone can vote however they want in November, whether they voted in the Repuglican primary or not. Nobody goes into the booth with you on election day...

After 4 years of the BS & lies, I say BRING IT ON!

Gee, I bet W wishes he'd have said that..............oh, that's right he did, teaching us that one should always be careful what one wishes for.

Well said "we can do it".

How funny is it that Democrats lost yet again? .. and it wasn't even their primary. Get used to it Democrats, you will soon be history.

"Democrats can't pick the nominee: It was a great storyline heading into
the Michigan primary -- Democrats urging their political brethren to vote in an
attempt to meddle with the GOP nomination process. Even Santorum was urging
Democrats to come out to vote... for him, of course.

But in the end, while Democratic participation might have helped decrease
Romney's margin of victory (we will have to see if it really cost him a few
delegates), the truth is that Democrats might have succeeded in creating a
little mischief but failed in generating all-out chaos."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/29/politics/az-mi-5-things/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3

the truth is that Democrats might have succeeded in creating a
little mischief but failed in generating all-out chaos."

Maybe, but at least they are still talking about the crazy right wing social issues, which turn off everybody with a vagina and a brain.

Let's face it, folks. There is absolutely nothing the Democrats can do that would make the Republicans look any more unqualified or pathetic. I think the Dems only voted for Santorum for the possibilty of watching Mittsy the Priss stomp his feet and cry.

Bill-2910238

Liberals keep making comments how Obama will easily defeat any of the Republican candidates, but then they go out of their way to try and influence the primary to get a weaker opponent. What are you all so afraid of? That Obama may not be able to defeat Romney.

Frosty Santorum asked for their help. It's the christian thing to do isn't it?

A 10% win in Michigan would be respectable (though lower than the margin people would have guessed him to take in his "home" state). A 3% margin is pretty embarrassing and does not bode well for his chances on Super Tuesday.

True, but I'm talking about the article and the exit polling. Among Republicans, they had Romney winning by 10. Just a couple weeks back, it was tight with Santorum up (though within the margin of error). The article said that 9 percent were Democrats and breaking for Santorum over 2-1. If the actual vote worked out that way, the Democrats would only add a total of 3 points to Santorum's results, and with Romney up by 10 among Republicans and most likely among independents, this might not end up being so embarrassing.

Granted, the 3 point lead right now says otherwise...

They're certainly not afraid of the top two GOP challengers. They are lightweights, you know.

What the pundits, including Mark Murray above, do not understand, is that the Democracts such as myself who vote in the Republican primaries is that these "cross-over" votes are "spoilers." Democrats like us vote in open primaries when our own choice for president has been secured. It was spoilers like me who voted for McCain in 2000 against George "Wrong-way" Bush so that George II and Gov Engler would look bad and not get a cabeinet position. Spoliers like me think President Obama would have an easier time beating Santorum with his nut-job social agenda. Really, do you think women want Santorum's and by extension, his government's input in what we do with our lives and bodies?

I wouldn't consider them spoilers, I don't see the orange cult member with the magic underwear playing any better to a national center-left audience than god-boy santorum would. Did you see the numbers for the 18 to 40 crowd? they were dismal. I think these boys swung way to far to the right trying to get the wingnuts behind them to be taken seriously by the majority of the country. They are damaged goods.

Simple reason for that....the Dems were hoping to run against Santorum...but the Dems are going to lose against Romney.

Ignore the hate-talk of the Left....focus like a laser on getting MR. BIG SPENDER OBAMA out of the White House....

Since when can a registered Democrat vote in a Republican Primary?

"Operation chaos"? When did Karl Rove start working for the DNC?

It matters not who is nominated, at least for another 5 years.

If the Unions, government employees, and the Detroit City autoworkers in Michigan want Romney, than I would have to say Romney is the most Liberal of the pack.

Romney is no right wing extremist, he is a moderate, as is Obama.

For that, at least, I'll give the man credit.

Neither of them is acceptable to people with pride and ambition.

If I have to choose between Obama and Romney, I'll vote for Ralph Nader again.

I'll take integrity and honesty over pride and ambition......................now that narrows the contest.

Some of y’all seem to be confused on why the liberals voted for Frothy today. It’s not that we support Frothy, and we don’t, not for a second…he’s CRAZY! But he conveys more clearly what today’s GOP is all about. And that’s why dems voted for Santorum today. They wanted the nation to see these people for what they are, and Frothy can’t help but just say it. RawMoney will duck and dodge, avoid and deflect. Remember, he just said “you get to ask the questions you want, I get to give the answer I want” (not verbatim, but real close). And with Frothy, holy crap, it’s no college for you, no pills for you, no other belief ( but Christianity) for you, being raped is God’s gift to you, no apology for you, no public schools for you, no I didn’t say black people to you, and it probably goes on and on, but you get the jest of it. But that is why dems voted for Frothy Santorum today, because he says what’s on all their minds, and you’re not suppose to do that in the lock-step Republican party…and rush (the devil) didn't make'em do it. It was probably a sexy liberal...

Pride and ambition got them the bush nightmare for 8 years.

"This crossover effect, in fact, has produced this striking phenomenon: Santorum is winning the most conservative voting groups ("very conservative" voters, evangelical Christians), as well as the most liberal groups."

Santorum's appealing to Democrats to vote for him as an anti-Romney vote might have gotten him an extra 3% of the vote, it was a cheap political trick that will hurt Santorum in the long run.

It's obvious that the Republican that the Democrats fear the most is Romney.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Romney avoids embarrassing loss in his home state.

The whole Romney campaign has been about avoiding defeat while spending millions more than his opponents and slinging mud to high heaven. Voters don't like Romeny - Republican voters!

I'm sorry...I'm still rolling around on the floor laughing! On what planet would a Democrat vote for Rick Santorum? Unless, it was to covertly pound his numbers up so he wins the Primary...only to fail in the general election. OR, unless the Democrat is pushing triple digit age, and is a throwback to the OLD Democratic party....back when they were more like Republicans today.

Dems should not be voting in a GOP primary, and vice versa.

The problem is the democrats voting for Santorum were actually voting to keep the big threat to Obama's re-election from winning. If Santorum gets the GOP nod he would not play out as well as Romney with the middle meaning Obama would get more of the middle vote.

In the end the far right will back Romney agains Obama just as the Far left will back Obama over Romney. Where the difference is Romney appeals more to the middle as his positions are not all conservative. His appeal to the center in a lot of ways play out better than Obamas.

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BobB, can you direct me to the law that states that? I'd like to see it for myself, it seems to me our votes are supposed to be private. Our party affiliation and which primary we vote in would be public record, but our actual VOTE is private. It is very conceivable someone would vote in primary for another party they actually LIKE (I can't believe that happened with Santorum, but I'd believe it with Ron Paul) and then that person doesn't make it to the general election. I am not in MI.

As a conservative Democrat... I don't fear Romney at all. If he gets elected, meh. I'm not thrilled, but I'm certainly not going to go hang myself.

I don't want In-A-San-i-torium or Gingrinch as the Republican nominee because they don't offer me a choice... and worse, if the US goes bat$hit crazy and votes for them, we could end up with four years of a nutjob as President.

Those "Democrats" who are voting for In-A-San-i-torium in Michigan had best think twice... if that looney gets nominated as the Republican challenger... do we really want to offer evangelicals (who will vote Republican - even if they nominate Hitler) and disenfranchised moderates no real alternative to Obama? That, my friends, is how elections are lost and crazies are elected.

No such thing...You're either a Democrat or a consrvative....

I believe the word is "plunking".

more democrats should have voted for Santorum .. it would have made it that much easier for Obama .. to win in 2012 ... keep spending GOP .. the amount of Money spent today by Republicans .. will be that much less to spend this fall

What Bob B and others do not understand about the open primary system in Michigan is that:

A) Whether you are a registered Democrat or Republican, you can vote on in the primary. You just ask for the ballot you want as long as your voter ID has been checked.

B) In the general election, you just vote. No one "loses" their vote ever, no matter how they voted in the primary. No one goes back to check to see if you are voting as a democrat or republican or how you voted previously.

C) This is different from some states where there are closed primaries where once you identify yourself as a democrat, you vote in the democratic primary.

D) Obviously, I get mail from republicans who think I'm a republican but the crap is easy to shred.

As for hijacking democracy, I'm not. I have voted in every primary, school election, etc, since I was 18. I believe voting is my responsibility and my right. Too bad for those who don't like the way I tend to be a "spoiler" but then why should I play nice when the GOP doesn't. Need I remind you about the stolen 2000 election? I will do whatever I can to keep people like President Obama in office and keep nutjobs out of it (aka Santorum and Romney). Romney squeaked by but he had to use a lot of his assets to do so, and kept making excellent sound-bites to be used against him in November's election. The trees look nice from here.

Romney indeed squandered a substantial chunk of his war chest to become what appears to be the reluctant choice of the Republican Party's voters. How will he fare against a well funded, well organized, and confident Obama campaign? Doesn't look good for the Party of Nope, does it?

Bob, why are you trying to mislead people? You can vote for whoever you want in the general election! It doesn't matter who you voted for in the primary. It's a secret ballot. Even if you had to take a Republican ballot, you could still vote for Obama! Are you kidding me? I hope nobody falls for your lies.

Face it, Most of Santorum's "support" came from Democrats trying to influence the election.

How funny is it that Democrats lost yet again? .. and it wasn't even their primary. Get used to it Democrats, you will soon be history.

"Democrats can't pick the nominee: It was a great storyline heading into
the Michigan primary -- Democrats urging their political brethren to vote in an
attempt to meddle with the GOP nomination process. Even Santorum was urging
Democrats to come out to vote... for him, of course.

But in the end, while Democratic participation might have helped decrease
Romney's margin of victory (we will have to see if it really cost him a few
delegates), the truth is that Democrats might have succeeded in creating a
little mischief but failed in generating all-out chaos."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/29/politics/az-mi-5-things/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3

BobB. - Your repeating yourself. You need to show us in writing what you say is true; and how anyone would know how they vote.

I have tons of kettle corn and made lots of "to catch a predator" sweet tea .Life is good .

My problem is I don't have any popcorn left!

Here, you can have some of mine!

This Chester dude is one of the few "enlightened" ignorants out there willing to give up affordable health care, not to mention his demand any woman he impregnates cannot rid herself of his contaminated seed OR heaven forbid "offspring". Such people have always been around in history, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RIDICULED AFTER THEY WERE PROVED WRONG. The trouble today is we have a serious need for affordable psychiatric care. The lunatic fringe needs help, we should make sure President Obama has the help he needs to make sure all our CITIZENS have proper health care, proper environmental laws, proper food safety, proper POLITICAL CONTRIBUTION OVERSIGHT. With the current OR future GOP candidates there is no real "worry" on our part, we know THIS TIME THE BEST MAN WILL WIN....AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!

Feisty - talk about not getting out much. Have not seen one post from you or that Toasty guy concerning the Quran burning in Afghanistan, or any other important news stories lately, but bring up silly politics and you get all orgasmic all over your keyboard frothing at the mouth about GOP elections that most normal people don't care so much about. We all know Santorum is a joke, but yet flaming liberals and far-right wing nut jobs love the guy. Birds of a feather?

No worries PC...nobody reads Feisty's posts anyway...lol

RAY----------The best man, didn't win, the last time.

Your post , pretty well, categorizes the dems, government help, is what all of you want.

Ah well, we have learned not to expect much from you and the ones like you.

Still every year, you manage to come in under our expectations.

PC101-3548820 You have only half of it right and half wrong. Yes, the lonney tunes far right nut jobs love "sometimes frothy, usually slimy, amalgam of lubricant, stray fecal matter, and ejaculate that leaks out of the receiving partner's an.s after a session of an.l intercourse Guy, but us liberals do really hate the SOB. We do enjoy having him around both for the entertainment value and so that good Americans can see what these looney tunes far right nut jobs really are like. Far too many uninformed Americans may just see him as a good religious man. The more face time he gets on TV, making speeches or in public debates the more likely the far too many Americans who vote but who really don't take the time to research the canidates will wake up and smell the coffee. Look at the "GOP Flavors of the Month" this year. Imagine what could have happened without the debates and other lights shown brightly upon the oddballs, misfits and out right crazies the GOP has attempted to cast upon America. I do fear that one of them could get their thumb on the launch button and cast the world into damnation. America needs to see the idiots for who they are as well as to see the good guys for who they are. So yes some of us do, as you said " get all orgasmic all over your keyboard frothing at the mouth about GOP elections that most normal people don't care so much about." So I hope that you now understand that Koran burnings and the stories of the day are important but it is far more important that America really learn everything that they can about those who would hold our future and the future of our children and our grand-children in their hands.

Have a great day and a GREAT FUTURE as well.

BobB - You must be kidding! No democrat who voted in the republican primary has to now vote republican in the general election. Ballots are secret - effin moron.

Have not seen one post from you or that Toasty guy concerning the Quran burning in Afghanistan, or any other important news stories lately, but bring up silly politics

Damn!

I could of sworn First Read is a political site which is why I am discussing politics...

You, my little friend, might want to take a 'U' turn and run back to News for Dumb Fux, where you would be much more comfortable...

No worries PC...nobody reads Feisty's posts anyway...lol

You wish! lol

Strange my vote totals say otherwise.... ;o)

Democrats voted for Santorum so that the country would see the same thing that the voters in Michigan saw: a kook. He had the lead, but he kept shooting his mouth off until even the Republicans in Michigan started asking, "WTF"?

Of course Rush advocated doing the same thing to the Dems and the only reason that Gingrich is still in the race is because a casino owner (who supports Romney) is giving him boatloads of cash to take votes away from Santorum.

I live in Texas where democrats are irrelevent, so I vote in the Republican primaries to have some influence on who gets elected. I just divide the Republicans into two groups; Crazy and Not Quite As Crazy, and then vote for the latter. If more Texas Democrats would do this, Kay Baily Hutchinson would be governor instead of Boss Hawg.

I'm with Feisty! Justoneguy is jealous because Feisty's numbers are off the charts! and thank GOD for "Ignore" so I no longer have to read the common drivel from known RWNJs that lurk on these pages.

We need to have this debate! Rick Santorum should be the next Republican candidate for President, then let's see where the American people REALLY stand. I firmly believe, if Santorum is the Conservative's candidate....and Republicans see clearly where their party is headed, President Obama will be re-elected in a landslide, and we can get back to a more centrist and common sense approach to governing.

Ahh...to chester and the other righties falling back on the tired old "what are you afraid of" routine...You just can't seem to figure it out. We are not in any way, shape or form afraid of you or the pathetic freaks that are representing you. We are making fun of you. The more you attempt to argue with your completely false and irrelevant talking points, the more we laugh at you.

It's kind of like giving George W Bush a Chinese finger puzzle. Cruel...but very entertaining.

In open primary states there is always crossover vote. In my state your party affiliation is set when you ask for your primary ballot for the rest of the season. I worked as a democratic worker for mayor in an open primary state. If the people aren't comfortable with the candidate of their party they go shop the candidates of the other party. In otherwords they vote for the candidate of the other party they see themselves able to suppot.

< Crossover Democrats overwhelmingly back Santorum >

WAS IT WORTH IT Morons?

Santorum LOST in AZ and Michigan

Gotta love it !!!!!!!

It's a conspiracy!

No a crossover is a smaller version of a SUV.................LOL! C'mon, ya gotta have a sense of humor when the circus is in town!

I bet Rove and Armey are having a celebration over the success of their dirty little trick!

Crossover voters? Do they mean both of them?

"Crossover" Democrat is Democrats attempt at making themselves sound less petty and childish. It sounds better than gullible, party-owned, or anti-American.

He might have gotten alot of crossovers, but I bet he didn't get alot of cross dressers. Which predominately are straight by the way, and most likely republican.

playing politics again toasty...

you think that is the only way obama can win ?

just curious.

If Ya want to Win , Keck . You Have to PLAY The GAME Correct ? Or is it only FAIR if your a repub ?

Now why is it again that they call you Toasty? By the way you vote?

Keck, this is Arizona. Obama can't win here.

its fair if republicans can vote in a democrat primary and vice versa ?

i happen to live in a state where you cant.

it seems odd that some states allow democrats and republicans to vote in both. seems like it's electioneering. but then how else would they win if they didnt cheat ?

Well Living in Florida , I figure the repubs will do it like they did in 00' and 04' Cheat at the Ballot Box .

I live in Florida. Cheating and not counting votes the right way is a way of life.

every vote counts in florida.

...unless you are republican. (then it gets kicked out....until the democrat wins of course)

keck

playing politics again toasty...

you think that is the only way obama can win ?

just curious.

Obviously, you haven't been paying attention to the RepubliCons reversal of good fortune.

Hmmm.

good point. 5 dollar gallon of gas is good for obama....as well as food stamps (because obama says food stamps are stimulating the economy)

no...these are great times, i heard unemployment will go down a half of a point by summer...yay !

To ..keck.."""

Republican ..really

Rights Commission's Report on Florida Election

Tuesday, June 5, 2001

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY POINTS

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights conducted the most extensive investigation to date concerning allegations of irregularities occurring during the November 2000 presidential election in Florida. The investigation, utilizing the Commission's subpoena power, comprised 3 days of hearings, over 30 hours of testimony from over 100 witnesses and a systematic review of more than 118,000 sheets of paper.

Perhaps the most dramatic undercount in this election was the nonexistent ballots of the countless unknown eligible voters, who were wrongfully purged from the voter registration rolls, turned away from the polls, and by various other means prevented from exercising the franchise. While statistical data, reinforced by credible anecdotal evidence, point to widespread disenfranchisement and denial of voting rights, it is impossible to determine the extent of the disenfranchisement or to provide an adequate remedy to the persons whose voices were silenced in this historic election by a pattern and practice of injustice, ineptitude and inefficiency.

During the November 2000 presidential election in Florida, restrictive statutory provisions, wide-ranging errors and inadequate and unequal resources in the election process denied countless Floridians the right to vote. The disenfranchisement of Florida's voters fell most harshly on the shoulders of African Americans. Statewide, based upon county-level statistical estimates, African American voters were nearly ten times more likely than white voters to have their ballots rejected in Florida. On a statewide basis, while African Americans comprised about 11% of all voters in Florida in the November 2000 presidential election, African Americans cast about 54% of the ballots that were rejected in the election. Before and during the election state and county officials were aware of several key factors that ultimately contributed to the disenfranchisement of qualified voters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/ccrdraft060401.htm

I'm not a registered democrat, I'm a registered independent. In Arizona that means you can vote in one primary.

No keck in open primary states you only get the ballot of one party, or the machine locks out votes for the other party after you make your first choice. The difference is you choose your party when you walk in. In Texas party affiliation is set when you request your primary ballot and is cleared before the next primary is held.

sorry amukana, you are on the ignore list bro. (dont take it personally)

you can vote in both primaries toasty ?

Oh Toasty, geez how did I know you would be posting your bs tonight..lol! You are an independent? hahahaha! good one, ROTFLMAO!

carpenter7

Well Living in Florida , I figure the repubs will do it like they did in 00' and 04' Cheat at the Ballot Box..

WOO HOO...the first crack in the dam!! Already bracing for a lose...lol

keck - Sure it is his right, but so what? Playing silly games with your vote whether you are republican, independent, or democrat, in my book it is just a total lack of integrity. If you believe in something, stick to it and follow your principles. These people that bash Rush Limbaugh, then do as he does are cut from the same cloth, despicable.

THAT was Your BIG reply JoG ? Really ?

I guess your vote is your vote to do as you please with but, it's like having a ten dollar bill in your hand, you can use to by a bum a sandwich and something to drink or you can roll it up and kick it in the sewer drain just for the fun of it.

No, you can only vote in one or the other if you're registered independent.

Amunaka--------- The Washington Post, really?

Well that settles it, then we all know that the Washington Post is totally unbiased.

keck, bro, I see that you put Amukana on the ignore list. What's the matter, bro, You can not stand FACTS, bro?

BTW bro, you may as well put me on the ignore list as well. I use a lots of FACTS as well! Bro

How many times are you going to say Bro! Bro!

You guys much not watch "Survivor." They always vote of the strongest competition early on in the series. That's all that's going on here.

"If you believe in something, stick to it and follow your principles."

....like Mitt Romney does?

Zapper- You just proved you don't watch Survivor, I do, and very rarely do they vote off the strongest, first. So I don't know what point you were making.

To..Nancy""""

Ahhhh ..What ...did you read the piece and where it came from...?

you don't like WP..well

Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election

Executive Summary

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/exesum.htm

Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election

June 2001

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/main.htm

I quit watching Survivor when they voted off the guy who made sure everyone was fed, because he was a good hunter. So yeah, it's been a while. But he would have won had it been on his merits, and not the votes of others.

In this case however, Santorum is the one of the "weakest links," so therefore, he will be weaker against his adversary.

Sadly. Yes. Really.

Don't you two fret....it won't take much to show EPIC FAIL OBAMA the door.

Too bad they couldn't persuade eloquent speaker INTELLECTUAL Sarah Palin to run

right?

Palin is Going to be be the repub Surprise Candidate at the brokered Convention .

Brundo------- That is as may be, however, if there is any one thing, I am happy about, for this election, it is that, I don't have to support, Obama.

It's quite likely that if I found my self in a position , to have to vote for Obama, I would siumply jump off of the nearest tall building.

Nancy Hurry up and JUMP!!!

Nancy - We promise we won't talk you out of doing that!

That's a, lot of, commas there, Nancy...

brundo - "There has to be millions of people in this country who would self identify as republicans"

True, while self identifying Democrats have become practically extinct... unless they are in the country illegally.

P.S.

Most people have no desire to be in politics and aren't politicians. You are obviously a windbag, but do you promote yourself as "the best windbag" windbags have to offer?

Coming to a town near you: Santorum comes on just after the 3 eyed man and the fat lady singing.

Hmmm, Santorum is often embarrassing, in many contexts...

This is why I oppose open primaries. I know myself well enough, to know that I would cast a vote to sabotage the opposition.

As we say in role playing gaming circles, "Chaotic Good" is not the same as "Chaotic Nice".

jake2247

I applaud this hilarious strategy! Push the crazy one out in front. The big question will be - will Santorum ever realize what's happening to him? That he got so many votes because he's the big freak show?

ROFL jake

Since Santorum's head is in the clouds; I doubt it.

I wonder if Rick knows that the Democrats that voted for him did so because they think he is an idiot and would be the weaker candidate. Probably not, his ego is larger than his brain.

Siestasis? No, I think it's more than that. If Santorum gets the nomination, then (we) the voters can have the debate about what kind of country we REALLY are. Santorum is the manifestation of Conservatism in the extreme. We NEED to have this debate and settle it once and for all.

Rick Santorum honestly believes everything he says. I applaud his honesty. Let's have the debate and see where it leads.

Yeah Palin giving advice.

Palin: Rick, when they ask you what newpapers you read, just say all of them. They kinda sorta tried to trip me up der', but I gavem da old line of I'll get back to ya on dat one. Does' reporters are tricky lil'buggers.

Isn't a shame chester12's CTRL-V buttons seem to be stuck? Here let me try..

"The republicans are really frustrated, stuck with Dubya they want to vote for a real primary contender?

Isn't it a shame that the republicans will not allow any one of the 43,000,000 registered republicans in this country enter a republican primary against Dubya. WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF?"

Or if you'd quit being unwittingly moronic or intentionally obtuse you'd realize that there historically isn't a tradition of trying to primary the incumbent president whose seeking a 2nd term. As for crossover votes, Santorum's simply the funnier option. Him and Romney are going to have a heck of a time come the general election of trying to distance themselves from all the looney right-wing rhetoric they've put on the record these past few months. But again, Santorum would be the most entertaining matchup.

Keep on ignoring and marginalizing any competent candidates who are masochistic enough to seek a GOP nomination. Huntsman was the only candidate I feared could win enough of the moderate vote to really challenge Obama. Luckily you guys never even gave him a chance.

Bill-3002981

I love it. Santorum getting the Democrats to vote for him.....if he gets to be the GOP candidate, Obama won't even have to campaign.

Sadly, for you and your rude, name-calling ilk....Mitt is gonna show MR. BIG TAX DOLLAR SPENDER OBAMA the door. ~thank you~

justoneguy

You are so right. Mitt will show Obama "The Door" Just before Mitt says "Congratulations Mr President Obama. I hope that you enjoy your second term." and gets the hell out the door before it hits him in the A$$

Amunaka

Cross dressing democrats willingly back into santorum..Huh...?

What the hell did the cat do with my glasses now.

Check that giant picture of St. Reagan

The only time the wind will come out of Gingrich's sails, is when the blowhard shuts his own mouth.

Now, THAT is both funny and true Matt!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh!

Matt, Was that when he stops blowing himself or was that when he stops blowing his sails?

Newt's only in it to take away votes from Santorum now. I'm pretty sure there's some money in it for him somehow when it's all over.

Picture yourself keck 14 yrs from now your grandkid comes and says grandpa why is inflation so high and why am I paying so much in taxes. And as you try to explain the policies of every administration since the end of WW II is that kid going to say OK grandpa I agree. Or is that kid going to say WTF were you people thinking.

youre an optimist lonereb. you think america will be around in 14 years.

lonereb- and what are you going to say when your grandkid wants a loan or grant to go to college? "No sorry the Republicans killed public education, grants and loans....and higher education is only for the snobbish elites who want save you from being educated and indoctrinated..." ?

Flip side to that coin Candy......what will I say to my daughter when in her first paycheck she receives she notices that taxes are removed for Social Security and when she asks me why all I will be able to say is that everybody pays into that system but because of Democrats still believing in a system that FDR initiated she wont have it available to her when she retires?? Hell neither will I.

Carrie Wolfe Reilly You can tell her the truth. That we had a great insurance system called Social Security that was started by a Great President, FDR, where one pays in when they are young, healthy and working and then draws from it when you are old, injured and no longer able to work. That prior to Social Security when one was injured or too old to work they were very often put on the street to starve and die but Social Security changed all that. Then when she asks if she will get payments from Social Security you can again tell her the truth. Tell her that far too many ignorant people voted Republicans into office and that the Republicans Screwed her out of it! Tell her that she will either have to support you or that you may end up on the street starving to death. Then when she asked why you did not invest in the stock market, buy a home or have a great retirement plan from work be sure to tell her that you did but Wall Street screwed you out of your investments , the bank screwed you out of your home and the company you worked for was bought by a private investment firm that first borrowed hundreds of millions against the companies future potential while they drew millions for themselves as fees and earnings then they hacked the business up and sold all the valuable accesses off for a profit which the private investors also pocketed. Finally the wonderful private investment firm declared bankruptcy for the company which was nearly worthless at this point and the bankruptcy judge, good republican he is, awarded the executives all that was left as salaries, severance and retirement leaving you, the worker, with nothing. After all the only thing you had done for the company was to work 35 years for less than $25 an hour with a contract that called for benefits, health care and retirement while the senior executives had slaved for the last and the worst five years of the companies existence for millions of dollars a year with a contract that took precedence over your contract. Being a good Republican you can understand and accept that as fair can't you.

Now I'm sure that you will say that would never happen to you. Well it has happened and is happening to several million American workers

If you honestly believe that a program that was initiated over 70 years ago doesn't need some tweaking now and than to ensure its viability for the future than you truly are an idiot. But according to you John its far better to sit on your hands and blame past presidents and congresses for why the system has become unviable than undergoing actual reform on it to guarantee its continued usage down the line. Interesting....you have a future in politics no matter which party you blindly support. Me I think both groups of hard line conservatives and liberals are idiots.

now and 'then', Carrie. Stunning how few TeaPubs are actually able to choose the correct word/spelling for a given context:

then/than, lose/loss, definitely/definately/defiantly...

Doesn't shine a very keen light on the marginal education levels these wingers keep trying to bring to the table, does it?

Tell her that far too many ignorant people voted Republicans into office and that the Republicans Screwed her out of it!

You may want to tell her the truth that being there has not been any social security trust fund since a bill was signed into law by LBJ that permitted all social security and medicare funds to be included as part of the general fund. That bill was passed by a democratic House and a democratic Senate and signed by a democratic President. Republicans?.......I think not.

Same thing I say below. but coarser language.

Oh, and I do like Santorum. But I can't vote in Michigan.

Same thing I say below. but coarser language.

Oh, and I do like Santorum. But I can't vote in Michigan.

Okay, Chester we know you hate President Obama.

The question is, just how does that help Americans?

Do you think electing Romney who wants to raise taxes on the working poor and middle class to pay for more tax cuts for himself, do you think that helps Americans?

Do you think electing Santorum who wants to turn women into second class citizens while denying your children education to keep them religious will help Americans?

Sure you hate President Obama, but surely you see more for America than taking from the poor to give to the rich agenda the republicans are pushing?

Reply to Chester12 I understand your hate of The Prisedent Barak Obama but I like the guy and really think he is doing good. What about your guy?

Which of Chester's guys would that be? The hypocritical religious extremist, the unrepentant crook and philanderer, or the cynical political hack?

Well excuse me Mitt won this one. We will just have to listen to more BS.

There is nothing good about Santorum - period.

Only good thing about Santorum is that he got rejected by Sky Daddy AGAIN

@chet99 Sanitarium is a war supporter. He supports it big time. You obviously were not listening to him before Paul started getting real support in the early debates. War was all Rick was running on in the early stages of the election. His first stint as a politician came from the financial backing of Erick Prince... The founder of blackrock, back during the Bush days... Currently Prince runs another company of a for hire army that's based in Saudi filled with south American mercs.. Between Adller and Adleson this whole campaign on the GOP side is being bought and paid for by Israels religious extremist war starting nuts.... With the exception of Paul who is only being funded by the people... Don't fall for the fake.. Do your research.

Speaking of fakes, Ron Paul is just another republican, don't fool yourself into believing he is anybody but just another republican trying to make women into second class citizens. You heard Ron talking about the evils of birth control. He is all for freedom and individual rights unless you are a woman.

Women are so ignorant in republicans eyes that they have to mandate an ultrasound so that women can know what they are doing when they have an abortion. Not sure when women became idiots. Good thing we have the vote because in republicans eyes today, we aren't bright enough to be allowed the right.

Otherwise known as Blackwater, but I take your point.

chet99

NO REPUBLICAN President or Senator or Member of the House would dare get us out of a war. The rest of the Republicans would string him or her up. Republicans love a good war too much! Hell; they LOVE a BAD WAR TOO MUCH!!!!! Any war will do, good, bad, doesn't matter as long as we are in a war.

Open primary states don't really work like that. People usually aren't registered this or registered that. I would say most of them are center leaning left or right. They will vote one party one year but if they don't like the candidate the next time they'll switch. A few of course are staunch believers but most really aren't because nobody makes them choose.

I have heard that as well. I just can't wrap my brain around why Santorum's people were also calling Dems to go vote for him. Does he not realize that he is shooting himself in the foot?

Ed-of course this is what the hardcore liberals were doing. They are trying to handpick Obama's challenger. Hell I already think that the person Obama would have struggled against the most (Huntsman) is already gone. Romney will pose a tougher fight than Santorum would.....basically the Dems in Michigan are saying they don't trust that Obama can defeat Romney

Down to 3 points now... comeback trail?

Still, making up 4 points over less than half the vote is tough. Basically have to win that 49 percent by over 8 points.

3 point win in your "home" state not so good. BTW how many home states does Romney have anyway? Isn't this the third one so far.

come on...dont be so naive.

...msnbc is the propaganda arm of the dnc. thats why its so much fun here.

motoricker ... you mean like Faux News is the right arm of the right wingers dump?

LPF-3663258

motoricker ... you mean like Faux News is the right arm of the right wingers dump?

Don't forget FOX NOISE is also the home of the Koch addicts, tea sucking baggers, and ALEC.

To..keck"""

No..you're just masochistic...

The msnbc lockup crew always trying to cover for the failed president B B Obama. No news here.

What a joke!

again, sorry amukana i dont read your stuff....dont take it personal.

keck, how dumb are u anyway. There is an "Ignore This Author" button click it. No don't it's too funny seeing you tell amukana that you don't read what he post. Sounds like my three year old grand-son telling his dad that he can not hear him talking to him. I don't think that he gets it either.

Have a Great happy day.

To..John"""

I never new there was an ignore button...not really one for censorship..let alone self censorship..

it is funny though...thanks

Meanwhile back in Romneyland, Kid Rock pushes "Made in Detroit" tee shirts... manufactured in China.

i like the CNN comment on Romney's Marie Antoinette moments.