Right now it is only a veiled swipe, if Mr Santorum should become the nominee, he then will be debating a President who is infinitely more intelligent and more savvy in how to comport himself in the public arena.

Bring him on Michigan!!

But Feisty, Ricky says don't do as I do, do as I say. Typically Republican to the extreme.

Seriously this guy is off his rocker

GM

I share your thought. Watch the illiterate on the right get lectured by this President.

Lil Ricky and Karen Santorum are indeed snobs.......

He's got his degrees and she's a neonatal ICU nurse.

..or maybe they got those degrees by mail-order, never attended class or interacted with others.....lol

Santorum was playing on the feelings of inferiority and mistrust of more educated folks many assume characterizes the Republican base. He was trying to pander to blue collar workers by saying "heh, having a college education doesn't make people better than you. I see that." I'm surprised more commentators don't get that. Santorum is a far more effective politician than Romney at pandering. When he tries to relate to the less educated, Romney just comes across as condescending.

GbM ... now that would be a debate worth watching. Can't you just picture the President pushing Santorum's buttons until Rick's head explodes?

In contrast, the higher level learning colleges and universities we have are the best in the world. They are (currently) not controlled by the government and the unions.

Actually, there are a number of universities that are controlled by state governments. Here's a hint...look for any college or university with the word "STATE" in its name (Mr. Santorum actually graduated from one of these universities).

Oh, and there a few places that the federal government maintains...perhaps you have heard of the United States Military Academy, United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy and United States Coast Guard Academy?

Da Noid

Thanks for taking the pain to do a research and explaining this to JSA1.

JSA1, stay off Faux News.....common. Brains are meant for thinking.

"Spotted at one GOP power player table: Govs. Susana Martinez (R-NM), Chris Christie (R-NJ), Jan Brewer (R-AZ), Bobby Jindal (R-LA), and Nikki Haley (R-SC) sitting and chatting."

This is the 'power table'.....? If so, were they plotting to overthrow the federal government, since none of them give a darn about the country.....they only care about 'the party', the TeaPeople party!

My son graduated from a two year program in carpentry this last spring. It was a college program, but had absolutely no liberal arts classes. It prepared him to enter the field of his choice with training in many areas of expertise that would have been lacking in the local high school level trade classes, and enabled him to get a job as a carpenter with a local contractor almost immediately. There were three other young men who were hired at the same time, all of whom had similar training from similar colleges, and three of them are still employed there. (one went back to school for a four year program in construction technology) The quality of these young men's work is highly superior to those with minimal training from around the area, and agree that Santorum's comments are idiotic. I was thinking I would vote for him a couple of months ago, but the more I see of him on the stump, the less I like him. I will undoubtedly vote for President Obama in the fall, as none of the GOP candidates seem to have anything to say other than "Fear Obama, Fear Obama, It's all Obama's fault!" I want some compelling vision for the future, not fear-mongering.

In contrast, the higher level learning colleges and universities we have are the best in the world. They are (currently) not controlled by the government and the unions. See the difference?

JAS, except, Santorum is saying those that want students go to those "best" colleges and universities you referred to as being so good, are the "snobs". Ricky-Bob is saying those colleges indoctrinates people into liberals.

Now I'm confused....good colleges, bad colleges, liberals, snobs. What are they? the truth is, a undergrad education is supposed to make a student well-rounded. Able to read, write, and carry on a conversation about a host of issues including history, science, math, etc.

on the sunday talk show Santorum said Obama should not have apologized for the Book burning in Afghanistan . Santorum said the president should have just said it was a mistake and that were sorry ..who would have know that saying you made a mistake and that your sorry is not an apology

Perhaps you've heard of them, Harvard, Yale, Brigham Young, Stanford?

Yes...the GOP actually has words to describe graduates of these schools...

EFFETE

ELITIST

SNOB

I want to see Santorums birth certificate .. and his College grades .. and how he paid for his education .. we know his kids had their education paid for by the tax payers of PA.

And, JoannaSmith, in many states, the state run schools are higher quality, provide a better training for the dollar spent, and the quality of the professors is excellent. Furthermore, they are more conservative, on average, than those elitist profs at Harvard, Yale, etc. Most of my sons professors were conservative Republicans. I also attended a State college, and was extremely well trained, for about 1/4 the cost of the "elite" schools. There were a number of people I went to high school with who attended those elite schools, and very few of them succeeded in teaching (my course of study), even though they studied teaching. Most of them simply wasted their parents tuition payments for four years, partying and pranking, then graduated and started families (if female) or went into the family business, "working" for Daddy until the old man died, then moving on to sell used cars (if male).

I believe JAS1 just indirectly called Santorum an underachieving idiot. After all, he did attend one of those 'less than' state run universities.

JSA1 - Am I going to get into who's a dolt or not, no. But like I said earlier, a little brain work will do it.

RedDevPS,

Here is what Smiff is trying to say: "We don't need no education!"

Nice try, J. Merle Stanley, but it won't wash. St. Rick was playing to the dummies--like you.

@ Paul-Florida

Gosh Paul, my post was not a rant..

You know darn well what a rant is: Santorum and Gingrich are ranters extraordinaire!

Not sure what you're saying about those governors, but in the land of TeaPeople those are the heroes/heroines. Missing....Rick Perry.

Am I reading this right?

Did Sniffy calls right wing politicians usefull idiots?

JoAnnaSmith1

JoAnne in PA: You'd stand on hot coals from now till November if you thought it would somehow defeat President Obama,

No, sorry JoAnne, the Right are not infatuated and in total love with their candidates as you are with yours. Hero worship appears to be a covenant of the Libbies with their politicians. Politicians to the likes of you are your gods. To the Right, they are (somewhat) useful idiots. It's neither worth the time nor the effort to walk across the street as you would do to bow down and worship these pols, we have more important things to do.

#3.10 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:37 AM CST

There may be hope for the old nag yet...

It is so much fun watching poor Smiffy trying to make herself correct that private colleges excel, and public colleges don't.

Heard of Thomas Jefferson's University of Virginia, smiffy? One of the finest out there. Several of state universities are world renown...those in CA, University of MN, William and Mary, the list is long. I have three children that attended college, all were well prepared by their alma maters, one attending a private, two public universities.

"Ever hear of Google, lazy ass?"

I've heard of it and that's why I googled the direct quote that's posted. I stated that it's a stupid comment and wanted to see if it was true. The only thing I found was that he called Obama a "snob" for wanting kids to go to college, not the direct quote from this thread. So I agree that kids should have the opportunity to go to school. Wouldn't you think if something like this was in direct quotes that it would be in Google?

It is so much fun watching poor Smiffy

Isn't it, NDD!

Like a trained hampter on a wheel... lol

Did you see where she confessed to being a Dumb Fux parrot earlier this morning? Like I said, with proper medication, there might be hope for her yet! ;o)

rant [ rant ]

1.speak in loud exaggerated manner: to speak or say something in a very loud, aggressive, or bombastic way, usually at length and repetitively

2.loud and threatening speech: a very loud, aggressive, or bombastic speech that is usually long and repetitive

Paul- Florida, this ones for you and all TeaPeople...repeat the lie....repeat, repeat until it becomes YOUR truth.

Wow. Caught in the lie that state schools are not funded by government, Little Jo goes on to defend the very elitist schools that she tries to villify. I guess that is what happens when the propagandist attempts to think independantly...confusion and contradiction.

Joanna smith....the poster child for the thoughtless, angry and uneducated.

What I was referring too Chilled is that why would a table of GOP governors be called a "GOP power table"? Of all the Governors in the United States, which ones does FR love to rag on and get people spun up? That's all I was saying.

Thats the beauty of the Repuplicans government programs are only for them if they pick them.

I missed it Feisty, but I'll check it out. Doesn't surprise me.

But, it really is entertaining watching smiffy and J merle whoseit show their anger and impotence this morning. They just can't make and intelligent point between them.

I just can't figure out who is pimping and who is whoring for the New and Improved Republican Tea Party? Could it be: J. Merle or JAS1, or SOB, or Bob lotsa numbers, or the Spankster? (where is he by the way?).

Poor Feisty though..She's been playing "whack a Troll" all morning! Having fun yet Feisty?

LOL, Smiff called the GOP candidates "(somewhat) useful idiots" not to mention the nonsense about liberal worship of President Obama. I will admit that Rick Santorum is a "somewhat useful idiot"; he proves daily why voting for repubicans would mean reliving the 19th century, not to mention destroying democracy and replacing it with a Christian-only theocracy.

Hey, Smiff, what about the GOP God Ronald Reagan or doesn't the hero worship count when it's a republican, kind of like spending us into debt didn't count because it was Reagan, Bush and Bush. When was the last time we watched a GOP debate without praising the wonders of Reagan and fighting over which of them was the most Reaganesque?

J. Merele, when you resort to the crack remarks, it just shows how hard Feisty and the others have smacked you down.

"This is the 'power table'.....? If so, were they plotting to overthrow the federal government, since none of them give a darn about the country.....they only care about 'the party', the TeaPeople party!"

1.speak in loud exaggerated manner: to speak or say something in a very loud, aggressive, or bombastic way, usually at length and repetitively

LOL, now that is funny, well since your post is in bold, your context of stupidity and ended it with a exclamation point, I can't see why it's not a rant. Yup, you're right, my bad.....................

yep.

@ Paul.......

You would need to ask Shawna Thomas and/or Ali Weinberg about the "power table" reference....but, but, your questioning the description suggests that you're not sure that those governors are power players.

Like a trained hamster on a wheel... lol

JAS1 is on ignore, but occasionally I need a good laugh watching 'circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because' in action. That 'Alice' nutcase thinks dropping acid is tossing it down the rabbit-hole and jumping in after it.

Poor Feisty though..She's been playing "whack a Troll" all morning! Having fun yet Feisty?

Torpedo You,

I'm having the time of my life - thanks for asking! ;o)

Although, it is much more fun when the somewhat skilled trolls show up instead of these amateurs bench warmers...

PS: My mother had a very high position at ASU's college of nursing at one time! It was & still is an excellent program! Congrats to your daughter!

Oh, I see J.Merle Stanley is back; he comes to discuss politics and instead spends his time throwing mud balls at Feisty Redhead instead of asking JAS1 to defend her own statement that republican candidates are "(somewhat) useful idiots".

Chilled,

No need to asked them, I just find it, lets say odd, that they write about Santurm's stupid remark about "snob" to close it out with the Governors sitting at a table that FR loves to rag on, that's all. Let's say the writers are baiting the Liberals to get fired up. These Governors fire up your base, that's all, and to me it seem to fire you up for no reason. Hey hate the TEA Party-cool, I personally don't care for any polictian that speaks.

My goodness, Jack, looky there! Poor J Merle has lost complete control of herself. You do know, do you not, J Merle, that this is simply a place for people to write what they think about current affairs? Perhaps if it bothers you THAT much, you might watch, oh say, Sesame Street, or Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood, both more suited to your intellectual abilities and temperament.

LOL, now that is funny, well since your post is in bold, your context of stupidity and ended it with a exclamation point, I can't see why it's not a rant. Yup, you're right, my bad.....................

...bold was for your attention, Paul-Florida! I didn't have to repeat it!

Have a great afternoon!

newday,

My goodness, Jack, looky there! Poor J Merle has lost complete control of herself.

That's interesting. I didn't know J Merle was a she. Kinda sounds like Damage in drag. . . . Foul mouth, no substance, lacking intelligence, bitter that other people are happy and he/she is not. Sometimes I think what these folks loathe most is themselves.

Hey Portsmith; is that Jack-A.S.S. or Jack-@!$%#.

Hey Jack - I know you prefer Heron's but it seems you have attracted a certified LOON!

*peck* *peck* *peck*

Proving again why you're a DUMB FUX.

Oh, and BTW, Snuffy Sweet Cheeks,

If you think calling me dumb fux is insulting you better think again, I have been called much WORSE by MUCH better then you!

Wow, poor smiffy is past the point where she can even make any sense. Go take a break, smiffy, take a nice walk and maybe you will feel better.

I think J Merle is a she Jack, but could be wrong. You never don't know, as my neighbor would say.

Little Jo has presented a good point to ponder for the day. If she thinks all of her politicians are useful idiots....does that make her and the other propagandists the useless idiots?

In contrast, the higher level learning colleges and universities we have are the best in the world. They are (currently) not controlled by the government and the unions. See the difference? See why we don't want the government involved in them? Simple, right?

I don't think Frothy Santorum agrees with you. Better check your talking-points.

"When they show you who they are, believe them"

Goodness, there's a goodly number of posters who can't rush to insist how rich people just don't stink when they poop. The word 'lickspittle', just isn't used enough any longer.

All the namecalling and flaming aside, I find it incredibly sad that a serious candidate for President of the United States thinks it's snobbery to want people to go to college.

Why is it that the major republican candidates seem to be on some sort of unholy quest to make the most outlandish, extremist statements they can as OFTEN as they can?

J. Merle Stanley-2759623 wrote:

Santorum is talking about the people who can't afford to go to college, and who can't avail themselves to privileges like the ones Obama availed himself to, in order to get into college.

If you want something bad enough, you can get it. I've known people who worked hard to get into college, and held one or two jobs while attending. They couldn't have afforded it otherwise, since they had no one to help them. I myself worked at least 25 hours per week while carrying a full course load while in college.

I personally couldn't believe it when I heard Santorum say what he did about college. But if that wasn't bad enough, he also doesn't seem to think that separation between church and state is a good idea, anymore. He thinks we need religion in government to get back to whatever morals and beliefs he feels is appropriate. Um... okay.

The way things are going, Obama is not going to have any problem at all getting a second term.

I feel sick, from the venomous lies from the Right showing up here today. I don't always agree with reps of the Left here either, but in general, their comments are reasoned, carefully worded, intending to enlighten here today. While the words the Right is committing to are really ugly and misleading. Good luck with that attitude in life. Repulsive.

Santorum wants to make sure only RICH kids can go to college. After all, if more and more kids get an education, who will be the cannon fodder for the Repub wars? Where will all those right wing captains of industry get their illiterate masses to toil for less than living wages in their factories, fast food places, walmarts, etc. ??

Can we all just get along.

btw where is the idiot from Albany lol

Hey Ricky, you go some splaining to do. It seems that he only wants higher education for himself and those close to him. Typical republican. Let the masses eat cake. These genteel aristocrats have no respect for the proletariat. My , my, their silk stockings are continuing to show.

Getting a college education doesn't make you a snob...it makes sure you make more money, and have a better job, and provides some protection from the downturns in the economy....such as the unemployment rate for college educated individuals currently is around 4.5%, those with "some" college of community college AA degree 8.5 and those with a high school education only 10.7 and those without high school diploma's 16.5. I know rightwingers that this is simply FACTS and you don't want to hear them, but heres the sight that you can check out if you don't want to just go with "truthiness".

JoAnnaSmith1......you said:

Quote.....The private ones, the ones that can run themselves without interference from the government, are the ones that excel. Perhaps you've heard of them, Harvard, Yale, Brigham Young, Stanford?.....EndQuote

Do you have ANY knowledge on the annual tuition of the private institutions you referenced? These schools are, excepting extraordinary students (i.e. Barack Obama), beyond the means of most students (financially).

But, thanks for your admission that (children of) the Mitt Romney's of our country have (yet another) ADVANTAGE over ordinary working Americans.

Perhaps, it is your SNOBBERY which brings you to believe that (state) universities are "second tier". Maybe you also believe those who attend(ed) them are "second tier" Americans.

BTW---Which did you attend? Was it Harvard or Yale?

State universities are usually the lower tier schools. The private ones, the ones that can run themselves without interference from the government, are the ones that excel.

Yes, all those "lower tier schools" like... UCLA (no one has ever heard of that dump).

JoAnnaSmith1......"We have one of the worst public education systems around, and that's because it is fully controlled by the government and the unions.....In contrast, the higher level learning colleges and universities we have are the best in the world. They are (currently) not controlled by the government and the unions.....State universities are usually the lower tier schools. The private ones, the ones that can run themselves without interference from the government, are the ones that excel. Perhaps you've heard of them, Harvard, Yale, Brigham Young, Stanford?"

Actually, Harvard DOES have union teacher. you can find this on Harvard's website....kinda blows a whole in your therory about good schools and unions. Here is an excert from the site....

Harvard works because we do! The Harvard Union of Clerical and Technical Workers is 4600+ Harvard employees of diverse ages, backgrounds, talents, and opinions. It was voted in on May 17th, 1988 and is now a strong, innovative local union affiliated with AFSCME, a national union representing mostly public employees. Most overtime-eligible (‘non-exempt’) Harvard Staff who are not part of one of the service worker or specialized trade unions are included in our bargaining unit and are eligible to become Union members.

Harvard also receives roughly $600 million per year, largely in the form of grants, from the federal government....you can look that one up too.

NC open heart, what have you been reading? Reasoned, carefully worded, intending to enlighten comments from the left?

Lynda AZ, you'd better check which wing the captains of industry that run said factories, fast food places and discount houses, herald from before you speak. You may be surprised.

Why is it necessary to post such nasty, rude comments about candidates from either side. Look at each candidate, see what they stand for or what they have already done, if you like what you see vote for them. If you don't like what you see, don't vote them. Plain & simple.

Wow, the snit patrol is really out in force today!

Must be feeling particularly insecure about November looming on the horizon.

In fact, the smell of despair is wafting on the breeze like the stench of brimstone. (Santorum keeps thinking it's the devil coming, but it's really just a blue tidal wave :-))

All you see here is the lefties talking about rich kids being the only ones that can afford to go to school...thanks to the lefties, its damn near free to go to school so I dont see the problem...

Rob, as usual (being that you MUST be a paid Republican shill), just because you SAY something doesn't make it FACT. Please refer to ANY poll out there.... Americans do NOT "overwhelmingly think the rich pay their fair share".

Pew Poll:Most Democrats (73%) and independents (57%) said their biggest tax concern is
the belief that some wealthy people get away with not paying their fair tax
share. 52% in total think the rich don't pay their fair share.

American Business Council:Fifty-eight percent said households with incomes of more than $1 million in annual income pay less than their fair share of taxes, while 57 percent said those people should pay a higher tax rate on income over $1 million

CBS News Poll: 2/3's of Americans think the top 1% should pay more in taxes.

This list is long, but you get my point Rob. In fact for some odd reason, you actually posted some poll results that is totally opposite of what you say. Well, that figures. You can't be a shill all the time.

Johanna, I generally file all your posts in the trash because they aren't worth reading, but are you really serious about State Universities being all bad and privates all good???? Didn't one of the top private schools just get caught cheating on grades so they could raise the overall GPA? We have a state run medical school in our state and people fly from all over for cancer treatments because they are the best in the country for this particular cancer. All state run and with those awful unions.

State universities are usually the lower tier schools. The private ones, the ones that can run themselves without interference from the government, are the ones that excel. Perhaps you've heard of them, Harvard, Yale, Brigham Young, Stanford?

LMAO!!!! Oh gosh!!! It took me a while to respond because I had to turn my computer off and wipe it down after I spit my coffee all over the darn thing. WOW!!!!!!! That's about all I can say to this comment.

Paul-Florida:

Not sure if anyone else answered your inquiry about why a table of goveners were called a 'power table'.

I think the term was used because of their name recognition by a large segment of the US. Out of all the 50 states, almost anyone in America would recognize most of the names of those sitting at that table as they are repeatedly in the national news.

How many governers can the average person name? My own governor, maybe one from a surrounding state or two, and those who put themselves in the national spotlight for one reason or another.

Santorum would be a great President. He would solve the energy crisis by using books for fuel. No need for oil, natural gas or coal, all those books in the college libraries would make great fuel. After the college libraries are used up, we could then burn the contents of public and high school libraries and any other books that could be found. You know, kind if like Fahrenheit 451. Best policy proposal I've heard all year.

Love all of the vitriolic rantings here from BOTH sides...

Can't we all just agree that a college education IS valuable and not something only "snobs" obtain? Trade school education is also valuable. Education in EVERY form has intrinsic value.

I think that the anti-obama rhetoric is ridiculous because all of it is simply parroting opinions portrayed as fact (not unique to libs or cons btw) as opposed to looking at the facts. No, Obama is NOT the perfect president, but WHO is or who could be? Our inability to think critically and to compromise will ultimately be the downfall of the US.

Mr. Santorum's statement is ridiculous but that is because he is pandering to the anti-obamites, religious zealots and the Rush Limpbag sheeple of this country. His other comment concerning what makes him nauseous shows that he does not understand the Constitution nor early American history.

Typical republican rhetoric. Their anti-education, anti-science, anti-American views are easy to spot. Who would vote for a party that demonizes intelligence?

Here's my answer to the guy at the Top!

Obama and Santorum for a DUMBER AMERICA.

Obama is already there!

Vote for either one of these Clowns and see how much Faster they can screw up the Country!

Give me a Friggen Break!

They - the republicans - can come up with some real weird stuff, but to be against education.....isn't that a new low?

The anti-intellectualism on the American Right is frightening, and the goose stepping little twerp Santorum loves to feed that uneducated fascist hatred.

Gloria,

These are our choices we do not have a viable third party in the USA, so we either vote for President Obama that is at least slowly moving us in the correct direction. Or we can go back to the GOP remember they are the ones that buried us in this hole!!!

Robin in ma - you are on "stupid morning pill" again. You still dont get it .

Joanna, don't lecture anyone about spelling. I spotted at least 4 or 5 spelling errors in reading your posts.

Here we go agin another one takes" morning stupid pill " - Gloria Fabiaschi Thats why we have drugs problem!

Thank you Da Noid! agree with you 100%

notliborcon-- AGREE on the vitriole.

However, I do NOT agree with Obama/libs that ALL students should get free college. ONE of the problems we have with our K-12 schools is that so many of the kids attending them come from families who pay little to no property taxes (not owning a home) or income taxes, and therefor have not contributed to the public schools, and have a resulting 'contempt' for them. That only becomes worse when you try to HAND kids a college degree for free. At SOME point, a kid has to understand that NOTHING valuable is free. In my state, we have a program that gives ANY high school student who graduates with at least a B average, and fulfills requirements on a specific number of hours spent VOLUNTEERING, can get 2 years 'free' tuition at ANY STATE community college--IF they keep their grades up. Now that is not a 'free ride, since tuition is only PART of the cost of college, fees, books, and room and board also cost. But neither does it exclude that student from getting other scholarships, or from working party time to cover the other costs.

But here's the SNEAKY truth--NOT all kids are "college" material, either from lack of interest in what college has to offer (at least to the level needed to SUCCEED in college) or from a lack of some kind of GOAL to work toward. I know too many people who went to college and got a 'fine arts degree' that did NOT prepare them ONE bit to get a real job in the real world. NOT that I think ANY education is ever wasted, but that I think EXPENSIVE education is sometimes wasted as a means toward becoming self supporting in the job market.

PS--Santorum is proof positive that a college education does not necessarily prepare you for any job.

And in his case, I don't think Vo-tech would have helped either.

Then again, not sure OBAMA's college really prepared HIM for a "real job". His experience as the editor of the Harvard LAW Review, however, might.

spg64 we sure as hell do have a choice. A dam good choice!

Ron Paul.he's the only one that can save and get this country back to what it once was. The only one and if anyone says no,I'll say they're all full of Crap they don't have a friggen clue as to what the hell they're talking about!!

For the last 20 yrs this country has been on a slow tortured downward spiral conducted by series of ARROGANT, GREEDY, SELF SERVING, MAD, MEN IN CHARGE! We the STUPID PEOPLE put them there because we the Stupid People believed all their political LIES AND BULL CRAP!

That goes for the Clown in Chief that's in Charge Now!

So Gloria, Youe man really doesn't have a chance in hell of winning because he is just too strange for middle America.... so who is going to be your next pick????

NOBODY!Because the rest of them Clowns aren't worth the powder to blow um to hell!At least I won't be guilty of putting the same, or another Greedy, Self Serving, and I'll add two more things to the list Arrogant, and Bought like a high price Whore, into Office in order to take this country down to an even lower level!

I refuse to do that!

Wise Up!

" ... In contrast, the higher level learning colleges and universities we have are the best in the world. They are (currently) not controlled by the government and the unions. See the difference? ..."

Yes JAS1, you are right.

Wait. Didn't I see the other day an article about these very schools? Something about them getting something like 60% of the funds ment for Vets returning from Afghanistan and Iraq?And that for that 60% of those funds that they graduated fewer of the people who got that money, then the schools that got the other 40%?

JAS1, the schools that got the 60% were the "private for profit" schools. And the 40% was to the "Not for profit" "public" schools.

Yes JAS1. Your "private" "for profit" schools are so much better. Oh and "private, for profit" schools getting tax payer money? Money, that without, they would have to close. Huh. Who would have guessed.

SSSHHHH, no one tell Sweatervest Ricky about Notre Dame, Oral Roberts, Hinsdale College, Liberty Baptist, or Hyles Anderson College.

just bright enough to fool a bunch of dumb white people,

Psssst - Wayne lots of numbers, that sound you hear is your dryer buzzing because your white sheets are dry!

Enjoy your Klan bake this evening!

When fascism comes to America is will be wrapped in a flag & carrying a cross.

Sinclair Lewis

Quote.......When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag & carrying a cross.......EndQuote

That's a great quote Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL.......thanks !

BTW---do you think most of these folks realize they are proto-fascists?

That's a great quote Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL.......thanks !

Ian,

You are more then welcome - the truly scary part of it is it's TRUE!

BTW---do you think most of these folks realize they are proto-fascists?

Not a chance - the majority of them haven't mastered tying their own shoes yet...

PS: In case I haven't told you, I like your work! ;o)

Redhead or redneck , you are one of the idiots who put someone in there that knows nothing about running a country , its like they say never underestimate the power of ignorant people in large groups , those who voted for Obama should have to pay 5 dollars a gallon for gas and those who didnt pay the 1.87 a gallon for gas , the price it was when he took office.

Ian Emdee--sorry, but if a student has a family that makes under a certain amount of money (I think it is $80K, combined), then that student goes to Harvard, tuition-free. If one can get into Harvard (not easily done), then one's family income is not an issue. Legacies have an easier time getting in, but Harvard is mostly a meritocracy. Most of the elite schools are the same--people should not assume that they cannot afford them, as they do reach out to those who are not wealthy.

The point that puzzles me is that it isn't "snobbery" to say that everyone should go to college. It would be snobbery to say that middle class people just don't (with the exception of the talented tenth) have what it takes to go to college and should just go to trade school rather than being in college-track high school instead. When one is egalitarian (saying that everyone is capable of and should do something), that's kind of the opposite of snobbery.

That being said, a lot of people are not cut out for the university. Anyone who sees college classes in history, writing, political science, and social science as "threatening" because all of them require a person to independently evaluate information rather than simply looking up and repeating the "correct" answer is really not cut out for college. A person who prefers to just accept the sanitized version of history, etc., that is provided in public school and doesn't really want to think for him/herself probably should not try for a bachelor's degree.

We have many options for such people--the best ones are technology centers which offer high-quality training in areas like computer forensics, multimedia design, and trade skills which allow one to operate million-dollar pieces of equipment (like MRI scanners). Community colleges also offer wonderful training to people who want to be plumbers and electricians and EMTs and so forth. Most of these skills have to be continuously updated--but that's easily done through the community college.

There are lots of options for those who are threatened by college professors who expect to be able to voice their own opinions without students thinking that they are therefore required to accept and repeat those opinions. People who think that schooling is only about learning and mindlessly repeating what their instructors say are really not cut out for college--but it really would be best if they would stop dissing those who are perfectly capable of listening to someone else's opinion, agreeing or disagreeing with it politely, and supporting their own views with vigor and intelligence. If you can't do it, it doesn't mean that it isn't worth being able to do, you know?

Redhead or redneck , you are one of the idiots who put someone in there that knows nothing about running a country

Poor little impotent Wayne! So sorry to hear your FREE Viagra refill run out! Better luck next time! ;o)

What's the matter little buddy - did you miss your anger management class tonight!

Thanks for playing we have some LOVELY consolation prizes for Klan members like YOU! ;o)

Santorum 2012: "...for a dumber America!

SAID PERFECTLY


Please, someone find the actual non-idiot Republicans. They are there, but for some reason take a back seat to this guy? If you are for Santorum, you are for the Taliban.

So in an era where China and India are graduating engineers and scientists in record numbers, Santorum is now running as the "education is evil" poverty trap candidate? This circus has too many clowns...

Always enjoy reading these far leftist idoit articles and see the kind of trash that posts their likes to foolishness. Shows why we have such an idiot in the white house. Go obimbo!

"Dare to Be Stupid: Santorum 2012."

Is this guy some kind of Republican performance artist? Is the Corporate Money Machine really going to let an anti-education, woman-hating Dark Ages religious nut act as their representative? In the country that invented space travel, jazz, and personal computing, to name a few no doubt Satanic accomplishments?

chilled

Lil Ricky and Karen Santorum are indeed snobs.......

He's got his degrees and she's a neonatal ICU nurse.

Karen Santorum went to law school as well. It's puzzling that they want to handicap their own children by not encouraging them to go on to higher education.

Your house can burn to the ground, you can lose everything you own in the world, but an education can never be taken from you.

Gloria,

So the Fact that Mr. Paul is an out and out Racist Pig doesn't cause you any problems.

This is a guy that wants to repeal the Civil Rights Act.

He wants to gut the US Government and it's ability to regulate Corporations thus protect US Citizens.

He wants to collapse the Fed and our MONETARY system, no one with any education or in their right mind would back such incredible stupidity. It would send the entire world economy into the toilet and start the next dark age.

Yet in the same breath that he talks about destroying the US Government he says we should EXPAND the POWER of the US GOVERNMENT to watch us in our BEDROOMS.

Don't get me wrong I agree with Mr. Paul on ending the war in Afghanistan. However the only reason the Obama Administration did not pull the US out after they got OBL, was fear of being butchered politically by the GOP(MR. PAUL'S PARTY). I personal pushed for a little more spine, but was not heard.

I also agree with Mr. Paul on Drug Policy. However Mr. Paul picked up this one later in his career and he knows full well it will never fly so it is a safe policy to play politics with. If he really wants to make an impact in drug policy join with the left to strip some power away from BIG-pharma. He has no interest in taking on that dog, which is the real reason for US drug policy.

Ron Paul is not a serious Man, he is a little man from Bum F— — — — Texas. He was originally elected because of his racist views and those are still his primary backers in his district. Sadly many young people buy into his drug policy BS without knowing anything else about him.

Jo Anna, you couldn't be more wrong. For one thing, many private colleges are better than government colleges, but not necessarily because they are independent. They tend to hire top-quality students and can raise tuition without ease. They rely A LOT on stock investments and donations. Government schools are built to apply to ALL people and are for ALL people, not just those who can afford it. Government schools can be lower in quality, but they can fit people's needs, especially those who cannot afford anything more expensive.

So you're suggesting that every school in America ought to be private, because the government "shouldn't be brainwashing" my generation. And every school ought to be able to charge tuition and therefore alienate numerous lower-class students??? And so the government should simply give up on public education, let the "free market" claim another industry, and simply give up??? How come we had a government-run school system that was the best in the world during the 1970s??? The reason education has declined is not the Department of Education; it is simply the distraction that students get, obsolete teaching techniques, budget cuts, and a lack of parental involvement in their children's education. I find that a public school is comparable to a private one because while private schools often have better quality, in public schools people like me can meet and interact with people of different backgrounds, poor, rich, white, black, and of all religions. A lot of private schools are either Catholic or Protestant. I've been to both a Catholic school and a public one, and I prefer the public one. Not just because the private was an elementary school and the public was a high school, but I am able to interact with people of OTHER faiths and backgrounds in the public school. At my private school, the majority of students there were white or Hispanic, and probably 80% Catholic. At the public school, there are far more students and teachers, people of different faiths, and of different backgrounds. My private school had a big tuition, and so only middle-class people or those with aid (and my church could only give out so much) could attend. In public schools, I could have poor parents and still be able to attend. So go ahead and blast government schools, but at least know that people like me, who have been to both schools, can enjoy being taught by teachers employed by the government. And there are a lot of us.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

I bet theres not enough viagra in the world to get anybody to touch you or enough paper bags and I dont have anger problems I just know an idiot when I hear one. Liberals are the ones who have cause the down fall of this country most of which are the dope heads that come out of the 60"s you know the college educated idiots.

GO OBAMA!!!!! KICK THE GOP'S ASS!!!! SHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HOW INSULTING AND UNREALISTIC THE GOP HAVE BECOME. I respected the GOP of the Lincoln and Progressive era, but ever since they went anti-government, anti-union, pro-big business, and anti-rational, and the Democrats became the real heirs of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, I have hated the Republican Party and everything they stand for. So go ahead, Santorum and Romney and Gingrich, go ahead and speak horrific lies about the president and about liberals and left-leaning moderates and Americans like me. But know that this is an America different than yours'. Americans nowadays respect the rights of women and gays and nonreligious people, and don't want a preacher in the government. We don't need a prophet; we need a leader. I would never vote for a conservative religious person who would put religion in politics, even if he were a Catholic like me. Give 'em hell, Barry!!! Give 'em hell.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

DESTROY THE RIGHT-WING FASCIST MACHINE 2012

The Tea Party bloggers have become sparse.

Except for The JoAnna lady and the Merle guy that can't spell "hamster", and a couple of people blaming Obama for gas prices, they have all gone away.

The top four Republican candidates have all blown it.

Thank, goodness.

Obama has done a fantastic job, under incredibly difficult circumstances.

Tea Party, go away.

spg64 Many of those statements you babbled, are OUT AND OUT LIES put out there by his opponents who don't want see him get ahead and to discredit the man! In other words I hate to bust your bubble but it's Pure Bull Sh it! I already heard them all!

As far as where he comes from it has nothing what so ever to do with what his Capabilites are!Abraham Lincolon came from a small town in Illinois and look where he wound up!

I don't like what's been running this country,for the last 20 yrs.I'll say it again Presidential Candidates now a days are bought and sold Whores by the Corporations!It makes no difference which so called party they belong to.It's whoever comes up for the Highest Bidder.

You actually think these clowns actually care about this Country? Well think again! Because they don't! All these clowns care about are power and control for their puppet masters the Corporations.

Many of the American people are so hungry for some sort of Stability in this country they'll believe just about anything their told.These other candidates know this and they'll tell them anything they'd want to hear!

Me, I can see through a lot of things that others can't see, or won 't see.Think I'm kidding I'm not!

Oh and one more thing as far as Ron Paul hooking up with the GOP Caravan,brilliant,because he's a Libertarian in reality and just did this to try and get ahead of the game.He's no one's Fool!

I forgot one last thing! Obama will get it in November,Guaranteed! However I'm going to be sitting on a fence watching this country sink to an even lower level!

MOmaid..."ONE of the problems we have with our K-12 schools is that so many of the kids attending them come from families who pay little to no property taxes (not owning a home) or income taxes, and therefor have not contributed to the public schools, and have a resulting 'contempt' for them."

Sorry to inform you but everybody who rents DOES PAY property tax. You mean to tell me that the average apartment complex (200 units valued at about $30 Million) does not pass along the property taxes to the tenants? Oh PLEASE.....you surely can not be that ignorant.

Gloria,

I am not really sure if you are serious! If you are, you should read more!

Mr.Paul does not try and hide the fact he is against the Civil Rights Act. He was the Only member of Congress to vote NO on the Recognition of the Act on the 40th Anniversary in 2004. He has stated publicly on a number of occasions that he is against the Civil Rights Act. Just last Sunday he made statements against the Act, stating it should be repealed because it "undermine[d] the concept of liberty" and "destroyed the principle of private property and private choices."

Every statement I made can be verified with a very simple search, as I said above he does not try to hide these views.

SPG-Mr.Paul is as racist as the rest of that menagerie of repug candidates. These people are antithetical to what this country purports to be all about. They should read the Constitution that they quote so frequently. I suspect that they are more into the words than the practice.

The election of the first black president has brought all manner of racism out of the woodwork. These idiots are appealing to the racist instincts in some not to see the real problems. They want middle, working and poor class whites to think that minorities are the enemy. It is a ruse. People will wake up one day. Maybe it will happen while Newt is looking for a black role model, or Sanitorium's wife is increasing her litter, or Romney's wife is driving two Cadillacs at a time, or Paul is repeal;ing the Civil Rights Act.

Folks, if a republican gets elected, they are going to take every dime out of this country and leave it barren as tehy stand around in thier Armani suits saluting the flag pins on their lapels.

beanathome.......you said:

Quote.....sorry, but if a student has a family that makes under a certain amount of money (I think it is $80K, combined), then that student goes to Harvard, tuition-free......EndQuote

The comment at #1.70 contained a caveat for "extraordinary" students. You might want to refer to the definition of "extraordinary" to fully understand the comment which was referring to ordinary (scholastically and economically) students.

Harvard is BY NO MEANS FREE. Undergraduate tuition for the 2009–2010 school year was $33,696 and the total cost with fees, room, and board was $48,868... http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provost_-_FB2009_10_Sec03_Tuition.pdf:

The (snob) comments made by Santorum and their defense by JoAnnaSmith1 are absurd. You might think again before joining that choir.

Ian Emdee:

You have to be almost destitute in some cases to get financial aid. If a student has two working parents, unless they have a lot of children, they can forget about it.

And it is for many young people, the beginning of learning about living with others, away from the family home, dealing with diversity, and managing money.

That's a good point, newday, and one that people seldom consider when they think about the values of college--the valuable life experience that goes with it.

Saw it with my cherubs, Jack. Had one start college at 16, she went to a major city by herself, from a town of 200, and grew up fast. Every semester, she made huge steps to adulthood. And it was equally true for all of mine.

Wow! At age 16? That's pretty remarkable.

Actually, I don't which is more remarkable--that she began college at age 16, or that you come from a town of 200! I didn't think any more existed at that size. Oh, wait, are you counting horses too? ;-)

Pretty much Jack, mine at least. And she loved college. Spent most of her education abroad. The only guy that was nervous about her adventures was me.

Especially the day she was leaving for Italy, and on our way to the airport said..."mom, did I remember to tell you that this university does not have dorms?

Newday: Ahh, love it! My son doesn't do that, but my daughter does. "Oh, did I tell you. . ?" as she's climbing out of the car, "Bye!" before you have a chance to react.

Dennis--it also shows how out of touch the Republicans are with what is going on at colleges and junior colleges. Here in Santorum's former county, our community college has an excellent program to bridge the gap between high school and jobs in various trades.

Yep, that happy wave. As I am left wondering "where the heck you gonna live, kid?" But, she figured it out.

William F. Buckley, Jr (a true conservative intellectual) is rolling in his grave!!!

Ignorance is now truly bliss in the GOP, the conservative & the tealeaf parties!!! Glob Bless America!

Joanna - Post 1.7

In contrast, the higher level learning colleges and universities we have are the best in the world. They are (currently) not controlled by the government and the unions. See the difference? See why we don't want the government involved in them? Simple, right?

Gotta call you on that post. Each of our 50 states have well regarded public universities and most have complementary state colleges, not to mention the vast network of community colleges. You imply that public colleges and universities are inferior to a handful of prominent private institutions. I reject that false and baseless accusation!

Our public research universities have been responsible for major medical and scientific advancements too numerous to list. Your casual dismissal of these accomplishments indicates either your bitterness at not being accepted or your blind faith in the profound international reputation of Bob Jones University.

Interesting that Rick Sanctimonius would call the president a snob for advocating a college education. If so, just where is it that Ricky-baby got his MBA and Law Degree...from kindergarten? That's what that kind of rhetoric comes from from this "right-wing nut job snob".

Had one start college at 16, she went to a major city by herself, from a town of 200, and grew up fast.

16... in college... with college boys... then going to study abroad... with foreign college boys.

If you, as a father, survived that, then you deserve an award or something. Man, I can't even imagine. I'd buy you a beer, if I could... I can only image you would need one.

Wow, the snit patrol is really out in force today!

Must be feeling particularly insecure about November looming on the horizon.

In fact, the smell of despair is wafting on the breeze like the stench of brimstone. (Santorum keeps thinking it's the devil coming, but it's really just a big blue tidal wave :-))

And Bill from Oregon your still in Denial because of the shame Bush left this nation in and can't stand it because a BLACK man is doing a better job and will succeed because a positive America is behind him. Santorum is a Christian extremist that wants women to place an aspirin between their knees for birth control. Get OUT of the 19th century, that's why other countries are passing us by........................duhhh

Sorry, IndieParty, but I am her mom, and fortunately, I have a good sense of humor. She did have some great stories when she got home, but I knew she was ready. She is a gorgeous red head, college boys were a worry.

But, she handled herself well.

The city she moved to? BOSTON!

Hey Dennis, what if we first try to get a higher percentage of our students to graduate high school before we try to find ways to get them all through college, whether it's lower cost community college or not. This proposal sounds like the entitlement that caused the rioting in England last year when their government asked for a higher percentage of the education costs.

Even though Bill from Oregon's Faux News Kool Aid comments have been collapsed, it still needs to be stated that the President held a license to practice law. To get that you have to prove an education. So he has already proven he has a degree when he had to. He doesnt have to trot it out for any wing nut who demands it.

edandbunny, when you right, you right and you can bet that republicans in high places seen that birth certificate and they still tried to turn it into republican rhetoric or BS as it should be called. But what do you expect from Republicans, I just don't have any hope for them and only hope they don't get control of anything or we'll be right back to where we were under bush, higher taxes for working people and tax breaks for the rich, maybe another couple wars run like the last two and nothing accomplished until Obama came on board and got the job done. To get back to this blog, can you imagine Santorum of the silver spoons calling Obama a snob? Makes you laugh doesn't it?

Sorry, IndieParty, but I am her mom, and fortunately, I have a good sense of humor. She did have some great stories when she got home, but I knew she was ready. She is a gorgeous red head, college boys were a worry.

Ahhh... my bad. Mom's always handle that stuff better than dad's. I think it's because the dad's worry about boys who are just like they were... but the mom's know that is exactly what girls want. LOL

She is lucky that her dad has a sense of humor too. But, I got to some great cities when she was moving around like that. Only way to catch up with her.

JoannaSmith

You said:

"State universities are usually the lower tier schools. The private ones, the ones that can run themselves without interference from the government, are the ones that excel. Perhaps you've heard of them, Harvard, Yale, Brigham Young, Stanford?"

Just for fun I looked up engineering schools. Of the top ten in the nation 5 are state schools. Many of the top tier schools in the nation are state schools. Perhaps you should know what you're talking about before posting.

well said

Fahrenheit 451 were are you?

Now a days, everyone has to go to college! Construction jobs are no longer available to Americans. Foolish statement by Santorum

I think that Obama's heart is in the right place, even though I vote Republican. However, I would like to know how the President expects everyone to pay for college. Is this another one of his do nothing talks, where he talks about his ideals and then does nothing to support it, or does he honestly have a plan in place that would allow more students to attend college?

Just saying everyone should go to college is complete crap! People have to be able to afford it. It's not good when most high schools can't even afford their own textbooks. How can people afford college?

However, I would like to know how the President expects everyone to pay for college. Is this another one of his do nothing talks, where he talks about his ideals and then does nothing to support it, or does he honestly have a plan in place that would allow more students to attend college?

Maybe he could lobby for lower @!$%#ing tuitions! That would be a start. Paying 40k a year to have a Professor regurgitate a text book seems rather pricey to me

I thought the idea was to decide on a job doing something that you love to do. A job that would enable you to work, develop your skills even more, with the by-products being you lived a happy life, made a living so you could support your family, ( take a vacation from time to time), have time to be with your wife and children, create and/or expand on things that make the world a better place for all, save enough in case you lived to an old age or if you croaked your family would be taken care of, and a bunch more other things.

A lot of the skills could and should be taught in the high school years and then refined and expanded in any given college should one desire and needed that. This might just be a better way for the students to spend their time, to spend our tax dollars, to lower the massive drop-out rate, and more.

I strongly believe in "education for the sake of education." However, that ain't happening in the public schools today. Learning does not stop when a person just happens to graduate on any level. Learning is a life long process, unless a person decides to get off the train before the end of the line.

I can appreciate the high cost of a college education. I could not afford my undergraduate school today. It now runs about 60K a year times 4; which is one hell of a lot of money any way one looks at it. "Could I just have that money up-front so that I can start my own company?"

Obama? I would like to know how he was able to pay for his college education. Those of us who have done it, considered it, decided not to, understand there are many things beyond the cost of the tuition. One still needs a place to live, books, food, clothes, and maybe a couple of "walking-around-dollars." Where did he get the money to do all of that? He has sealed his records! Is there a person out there who paid his way that he does not want the people to know about? That must be it. What other reason could there be for him keeping that from the people?

Maybe he could lobby for lower @!$%#ing tuitions! That would be a start. Paying 40k a year to have a Professor regurgitate a text book seems rather pricey to me.

Kornfed: I would have to agree. That however, would dip into what the schools are doing for money. Which brings us to other problems. For instance, I don't think it's fair for out-of-state students to spend more for tuition than illegals. Right away, that is something the President could be working on, instead of spouting off this nonsense. It just goes to show you Obama is more talk than action.

State universities are usually the lower tier schools. The private ones, the ones that can run themselves without interference from the government, are the ones that excel. Perhaps you've heard of them, Harvard, Yale, Brigham Young, Stanford?

Well if you knew $h1t, you'd know that they ALL get Federal Funding. Pick a school, say Harvard and type in "Federal Funding Harvard" in Google, see what comes up.

You have no excuse to be that ignorant..really.

And since "states" count as part of Government, try a few names of the top of my head:

Penn State (I probably need to tell you that's Pennsylvania State University)

University of California at Berkely
University of California at San Diego
University of California at Las Vegas
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana

University of Michigan

University of Texas at Dallas
University of Virgina

University of Massachusetts

University of North Carolina

College of William and Mary

University of Maryland at College Park

and being from the mid-west, I must mention THE Ohio State University.

I mean...do I really to go on?

Please don't tell me you went to college...else you'd need a refund.

NorthernLights4Me, just want you to know that I got the Fahrenheit 451 reference. I learned that in college :).

40K a yr that is lower middle class wage. what would be a more acceptable wage?

Emanuel - thank you for a great slap down on JAS. She pretends to know so much but has very little intelligence. It shows every time she posts. Her ignorance is only overshadowed by her eagerness to show how ignorant she truly is!

Why go to school theres no jobs when you get out , cut out the middle man and go to China where the jobs are, if Obama gets back in as president all Americans can face D.C. , bend over and kiss their as.... goodbye because America will implode , just like Stalin once said America will fall without us firing a shot and Obama has started the ball rolling.

wayne: GRAMM(R)LEACH(R)BLILEY(R) got the ball to our ruination going. Eight years of BUSH/CHENEY added to the negative effects, to turn the bubble into an IMPLODED DEPRESSION. Fixing the car costs money. Obama didn't wreck the car, but he had to hire the mechanics and buy the parts, to get the thing running again. The RE-peat-the-LIE-to-the-PUBLIC-ans, slaves to the petro-dollar that they are, keep punching holes in the gas tank and loosening the oil filter.

There is a very popular talk show host who is neither Republican or Democrat. He doesn't even vote!. He puts it this way. You need a certain number of dumb, but hard working people. People who will trim trees, drive trucks, mow grass, work maintenance.

Thinking that everyone should go to college is not living in the real world, and what happens to people who do and get useless degrees? They end up paying off their student loans by working any job including fast food and maintenance to pay for a very expensive lesson. I've worked with a few of these souls in the past.

Thinking everyone should get a college education is not living in the real world. Any time privilege is over promoted, (and that includes many great nations and empires of the past) the result is a country ready to decline.

1. The unemployment rate for high school graduates is twice that of college graduates.

2. Santorum has three college degrees.

3. Santorum's two oldest are in college.

So he's pandering to the terminally illiterate who oppose bettering themselves.

And for their fellows who post here: "Liberal Arts" does not mean "Liberal ideology". Nor does "Liberal Education". What college does in those regards is prepare one for life beyond high school and the assembly line. It prepares one to be a responsible citizen cognizant onot only of one's rights but also of one's civic duties.

In a democracy, it is one's duty to be smart. Being the opposite is being an enemy of one's country.

So have I DB Akron. Life was my instructor. It cost me a great deal of set backs, but not monetary. I am not putting college down, but it just was not for me. I now have, (30 years later), many disciplans that I would not have had if I took the college route.

I have never been without a job because talented individuals are increasingly hard to find. Currently looking for several more. Just interviewed 4 the other day, and the pickings are slim. Most have little or no knowledge, afraid to get their hands dirty, or want to sit behind a terminal all day.

Obama did nothing in his speach but show how out of touch he truly is. Very few places will send you to college or classes of any sort for employment. Community college for per say, welding? Overhead door installers? Hydraulics? pneumatics? and the list goes on and on.

May I add a comment? I graduated from Harvard and my diploma says something to the effect (it's in a closet upstairs and I'm not about to go look for it to get wording exactly right) that I am eligible to join the people who wish to be educated. In effect that means that even after graduating from Harvard I am not considered "educated," but that I have been given the tools to educate myself. Santorum is clearly an anti-intellectual pandering to the lowest common denominator. I dearly hope he wins the nomination and the Republican party is thereby totally destroyed.

Hey dip @!$%# that said it cost too much to attend go to college, as one other person already said, try a federally-funded state college or for that matter, a community college. I pay less than 6 grand a year for tuition and books! Oh and garcher, my state offers grants for places that require skilled maintenience like say, umm welding and pneumatics, for their employees to further their skill-trade. I bet you would rather hire a college educated person as opposed to one that has ran the streets and caused a lil ruckus in their day, am I right? The opperunity is out there to better yourself, all you gotta do is look for it.

everyone should have an opportunity to go to college if they want to and have the skills for it....We're not living in the 40's and 50's anymore--I can't believe the ignorance of those insisting we can just keep getting by with enough back breaking labor. Look at the salary differentials today of those with a high school disploma and those with some college education...That's only going to get wider and wider. Given that only 30% of our population has some college (with far fewer actually graduating)...it's absurd to argue we need FEWER educated workers, especially when it's indisputable about how much ground we're losing, particularly in the sciences, to even DEVELOPING countries like India and China. What parent--what CITIZEN of the United States--thinks we can just keep coasting without a highly skilled work force--because we continue to see education as something for the priviledged?? with tens of thousands of jobs RIGHT NOW going begging because so many workers lack basic skills...we need more overhead door installers???

DB Akron

There is a very popular talk show host who is neither Republican or Democrat. He doesn't even vote!. He puts it this way. You need a certain number of dumb, but hard working people. People who will trim trees, drive trucks, mow grass, work maintenance.

I don't know who said that and I don't want to know. It's an insult to anyone who trims trees, mows grass, works maintenance, etc. Where do you get off saying that people who do that type of work are "dumb"? Some of those people are undoubtedly smarter than you are! Maybe they lacked opportunity but they still work to support themselves. Maybe they speak three languages fluently. Do you?

Everyone in the world knows something that you don't know, DB. Don't judge a book by its cover.

Thinking that everyone should go to college is not living in the real world, and what happens to people who do and get useless degrees? They end up paying off their student loans by working any job including fast food and maintenance to pay for a very expensive lesson. I've worked with a few of these souls in the past.

Who is saying that everyone should go to college? Not Obama. He's said that everyone should have that opportunity if that's where their interests and abilities lie. Otherwise, it's important to attend a trade school or community college.

I don't believe there is such a thing as a 'useless' degree.

Thinking everyone should get a college education is not living in the real world. Any time privilege is over promoted, (and that includes many great nations and empires of the past) the result is a country ready to decline.

Why should it be a privilege to have an excellent education? I'm from a middle class family and I have a fine education. I cannot imagine a life without education. How can a democracy thrive if its citizens are less educated than those of competitive countries? How can we wisely participate in a democracy if we don't have the ability to reason and think logically, to understand what we read and to decide what is opinion and what is propaganda?

You really shot yourself in the foot this time, DB.

Whether Santorum realizes it or not, he's preaching the true closet Republican mantra: Keep the population that's the 99 percent, stupid, ignorant and believing they are lower class and under-privilived serfs who do not deserve an education, a decent wage and a decent standard of life in return for their worki. The GOP wants people to be ignorant, humble, and licking their asses to get a job, any job the lower paying and more dead-end the better. After all, it should be a privilege to sweep the floors of the mighty Republican buildings by all us second class citizens who aren't rich. It's the medieval mentality that is going to destroy the GOP and I hope that happens before it destroys our country. Santorum should have @!$%#ing joined a monastery and become a monk. he doesn't belong in the secular world we must live in. And he's a lousy, hypocritcal person who doesn't deserve the name "Christian." Look at what this windbag calle President Kennedy!!!! The true conservatves of the old-time Republican party must be spinning in their graves. Santorum is a hypocrite like all Republicans. It's okay for him to have a law degree, college (seminary) degree, etc. ad nauseum but not for anybody else!!!! And home schooloing? Who can afford to stay home and teach theirr kids except a well-off person like Santorum? Except the wealthy, his friends. They all think they are some kind of elite, and to accuse Obama of that is just classic projection. The GOIP doesn't deserve to surivve it does about as much good to our citizens as the Taliban or al Kaeda does for the population in these middle eastern countries. Religious nutjob Santorum meet religious nutjob Achmininutjob of Iran. Brothers under the skin.

It should be true that there is no pay-off to Rick Santorum for pandering to people who are uneducated, insecure and resentful but, sadly it is not true. I read about another speech he gave this weekend where he referred to a speech JFK gave about the necessary, absolute separation of church and state. Rick said that JFK's remarks made him gag. I think that the idea that Rick Santorum feels worthy to comment on the statesmanship or public policy of JFK makes me want to gag. It reminds me of a flea trying to irritate a lion.

Lil' Debbie, I overlapped your comment about President Kennedy but, I see that we had the same reaction to Rick's statement.

What a windbag its okay for me to have went to college and got a law degre and a couple of more degress but not you,Rick how did you go to college amd who paid being the grandson of coal miner? that right you are so full of bull#hit it aint even funny. I dont know anybody that doesnt want there kids to do something with there lives and be better,I see your kids are going to college did they get any FEDERAL GRANT MONEY since you claim you got all these kids and you are just a regular working stiff? I bet they did cause you got all the connections that real regular folks dont have.We should all chip in and buy you, never nmind we shouldnt chip in cause you allready got all the money so i want you to go down to auto zone and buy yourself a windshield wiper for a Ford pickup truck and use it to scrape your Belly because your Head is stuck so for up Your Ass so you can see out of it to see what the rest of the world is looking at.

May I point out that perhaps the comments are being reported out of context. There has been a great deal of discussion regarding the fact that so many start college and are not equipped to complete it, incurring massive student debt without the professional payoff at the end, because they do not complete the education. As everyone has different strengths and talents, there is a concern that we are pushing all students towards a four year degree in a traditional college or university setting and ignoring other educational opportunities such as trade apprenticeship programs, or specialized training in a given field like heating/air conditioning, automotive mechanics. I think the snobbery results in people assuming that a four year degree is the only way to success. I know plenty of people whose four year degree is aptly named as BS. I also happen to have the covetted college degree and am still waiting to see the higher income it was supposed to produce. My husband is even more educated than I with graduate degrees, along with ongoing professional certifications and licenses, and guess what......the guy working down the street, as a tradesman, a welder by profession, is out earning the both of us combined. We do have to stop the notion that the only way to success is four year college/university. Bill Gates never finished college and I don't suppose that anyone would consider him less than intelligent, or unsuccessful.

Ah, Bill, still climbing up that college transcript thing??? Well, after the Republican Party and the American people demanded that Obama release his birth records, doubting not only his eligibility to be president but also his honesty (I know politicians aren't honest, but you can at least be sure that they are from America), I think we ought to give this one to Obama. Sure, most other presidents did release their college transcripts, although they weren't forced to. Then again, not all presidents were accused of being Muslims, or non-Americans, or anti-American, am I not correct??? The only ones who came close to that were John F. Kennedy because of his religion, FDR because of his "socialist" beliefs, and Abraham Lincoln for his anti-slavery and anti-states' rights policy, which I applaud. If Obama's birth certificate hadn't been questioned, he probably should have released his transcripts. But after burrowing through his private life in such depth and ferocity, and even doubting his religious beliefs and citizenship, we ought to give him a free pass. Not all presidents are accused of being a non-American or a Muslim.

And Sue, while you are correct, most jobs today require a college degree, whether it be a university or a community college. Few jobs, if any, are available for high school graduates, and as every year passes fewer remain, thanks to technology. Technically, on average, a college education adds 10% to your future salary. Yet there can be exceptions to the "law," and a lot of it just bad luck or where a person either lives or what courses they took. And although Bill Gates was a college dropout and made billions, he is an exception. Not a lot of people have the same wit or charisma or salesmanship that he or Steve Jobs or Mike Zuckerberg have. While attending college is definitely not a guarantee to success (whatever the word means in your definition), it can help you get there.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Then how about we answer the question...

Why do Republicans hate education? We certainly never hear them say anything good about education. Department of Education is evil. Higher education = "indoctrination". A president who wants to increase opportunities for higher education is a "snob". Going to Harvard makes you "elitist".

Tell me, are all universities guilty of "indoctrination"? Does it include institutions like Notre Dame, Oral Roberts, Liberty, Yeshiva, Brigham Young and Duke?

"Does it include institutions like Notre Dame, Oral Roberts, Liberty, Yeshiva, Brigham Young and Duke?"

Da Noid,

Aren't those privite schools?

Rick Santorum: “President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob. There are good, decent men and women who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor to try to indoctrinate them. Oh, I understand why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image.”

Based on Mr. Santorum's original quote, Paul, I don't think that matters much to him. College is where you go to get indoctrinated by some liberal college professor. I'm just curious if he thinks it's happening at the aforementioned schools.

When considering this question, please ask yourself the following question: "What do all of the schools I named have in common?"

It's a matter of economic necessity, no "snob": Unemployment for less than high school 16.5, for high school grad's 10.4, for some college or an associates degree 8.5 and for college BA's 4.5.

Da Noid - Indoctrinated?? At what point in the few hours a week a professor has with their students, will they find the time to deviate from their lesson plan of general chemistry to spew out liberal propaganda? Really, at what point in a lecturer's busy schedule will they sit all of their students down and ensure a strong legion in the liberal army? Please, tell me this.

So Rick "less than erudite" Santorum is just trotting out that old conservative lie that all college professors are liberal and trying to indoctrinate the holier than thou young people.

When will conservatives see the truth that higher intelligence and greater knowledge correlates with being more liberal, not because of indoctrination, but simple because it makes a person wiser, and less prone to believing conservative lies and misconceptions.

Mind you, if you actually listen to the two of them talk about it, they are very similar on it. They both think that children should have some form of higher education in trade schools or college. Rick Santorum is just a blow hard making attacks that would only appeal to the uneducated who feel lesser than those that went to college.

Trade schools are not less than college, they offer great course work to get good well paying jobs. Santorums little delusional world is he is going to open all these manufacturing jobs-facts, most manufacturing is done robotically, they need people trained to handle it. There simply isn't as many jobs in this type of work available and there never will be again. Kids need to be educated to todays market.

Hopefully a college education give you both liberal and conservative views. Hopefully it will help you understand why someone would choose to lean to either the left of the right with respect to politics. Hopefully parents will have taught their children well enough not to listen to every empty promise and they will try to make a decision for themselves, a decision based on the facts and the empirical evidence.

Franko-999713 - Your "he's the worst president ever" statement was popular and agreed upon up until a few months ago. You're kind of behind in the times, I'm afraid. President Obama has been slandered CONSTANTLY for his entire first term by the right and even by some of the left, but the general public is finally acknowledging his success. Also, recently he has really been stepping up to the plate and owning his stuff. So you might want to find a new reason to hate on our president other than your blind hatred for "ultra-libs" and outdated pop culture attitudes.

danniboi-- College professors indoctrinate, not so much in chemistry courses, but in biology and social science courses. And yes, they absolutely DOfind time to do it, not as an additional activity on top of teaching their curriculae, but as an activity integral to the teaching of their curriculae. If there are 2 interpretations of data, 1 of which is conservative & the other liberal, then the vast majority of college professors will hammer home the liberal one and refuse to even allow mention in class of the conservative one. I've even seen students banned from class for espousing a conservative viewpoint in the hallway AFTER class. Students who've seen the same thing learn quick.

...and jon13-et-cetera-- no, you have it completely backwards. Higher intelligence, greater knowledge, and increased experience correlate very closely with conservative viewpoints. This is why the vast majority of business owners, because of their superior understanding of & greater experience with what makes the world and specifically the economy work-- tend to be conservative. I am as disappointed as you are in our current crop of so-called conservative "leaders", but that's because liberals are much better at practicing liberalism than conservatives are at practicing conservatism. Truly conservative ideals such as smaller gov't., lower taxes, and interpreting the Constitution according to the original intent of its authors are fundamental to federalism, which is fundamental to America.

You want to provide a reputable source to support that nonsense, Ray?

Franko, does one learn a trade skill in High School? No, they are learned at some version of "higher learning." You nephew may make "tons of dough" working as a skilled electrician, but do you know how much more someone with an electrical engineering degree makes? Why do you want to see Obama's transcripts? All you need to know is that he graduated from Columbia University. Was admitted into Harvard Law School, where he graduated Magna Cum laude, meaning "with great honors."

Ray, one of the definitions of "indoctrinate" is to educate, so all Professors do it. There is no "liberal or conservative view" when it comes to biology, so I'm not sure why you mentioned it. I have never seen a professor "hammer home" a liberal view point, but I think you believe that because they are so able to shoot down the "conservative view point" with logic and facts.

Da Noid - Indoctrinated?? At what point in the few hours a week a professor has with their students, will they find the time to deviate from their lesson plan of general chemistry to spew out liberal propaganda? Really, at what point in a lecturer's busy schedule will they sit all of their students down and ensure a strong legion in the liberal army? Please, tell me this.

danniboi,

Yeah, I think we're actually on the same side of the argument...not sure where you might have thought otherwise.

No, I don't recall a professor in college ever telling me what exactly to think as far as politics.

...oh, and to answer my question...Notre Dame, Oral Roberts, Liberty, Yeshiva, Brigham Young, Duke...all are colleges and universities with a religious affiliation:

Notre Dame = Catholic Chruch

Brigham Young = LDS

Duke = Methodist Church

Liberty = Baptist

Oral Roberts = Non-Denominational

Yeshiva = Judaism

...so, if going to college is bad in the eyes of Rick Santorum then is going to one of these schools bad?

Franko:

I certainly hope your nephew is a "skilled" electrician. If were not he would either electrocute himself or burn down the houses of his clients.

As for Ray Thorne--I call bullsh**. Tell me how people who teach calculus and accounting and architecture and engineering and even the social science indoctrinate their students. I spent 4 decades in front of a university classroom. At the end of every semester, as part of the course evaluations I added a question of my own--is the professor a liberal or conservative when it comes to politics. 35 years later the response was almost 50/50.

Jon writes...When will conservatives see the truth that higher intelligence and greater knowledge correlates with being more liberal, not because of indoctrination, but simple because it makes a person wiser, and less prone to believing conservative lies and misconceptions.

Jon your comment was spot on and deserves a second go in case someone missed it......voted up!

You will find that conservative "values" versus liberal "values" in the work force reflect more on the type of work they do and what each party has to offer them than one being always the more intellectual root. Businessmen tend to be more conservative because being a fiscal conservative is about math. You will find though that more recently many of them are turning on the GOP because of the social issues that are clouding it and the far right points of view that border on fascism.

Colleges tend to be more liberal (not in a bad way) because traditionally democrats have been more supportive of funding for higher education and there is a ivory tower view point that doesn't necessarily translate to everyday life. I went to a public university and I was not indoctrinated either way. I was educated on a broad spectrum of views and ideas (something Santorum is afraid of) and oneiron pointed out, professors are on the spectrum of political views, I didn't find that it was really brought up that much.

I dislike Santorums views, I think his idea of America is a poor class and the 1%, or at least that seems to be where his mind set is. What liberals don't see in the republican party, especially lately is any compassion for the American people or any real desire to see them do better. I do think that effects many and sways them from conservatives. I think they use the bible because they have to, it panders to a mindset that is outside of what the government should be doing.

Above all-we are a secular nation, and it is a gift to Christians to remain so, if you start allowing religion to become law, be very careful. Soon you will find your own religious freedoms being infringed on. I do not know why they want some stranger at a public school teaching their children religion. Its completely backwards. The gift of freedom of religion kept us 250 years strong, lets not take that away.

danniboi,

I don't think you understood Da Noid's comments.

He's on your (our) side.

Da Noid - Indoctrinated?? At what point in the few hours a week a professor has with their students, will they find the time to deviate from their lesson plan of general chemistry to spew out liberal propaganda? Really, at what point in a lecturer's busy schedule will they sit all of their students down and ensure a strong legion in the liberal army? Please, tell me this.

Danniboi07: I would have to agree. If you ever attend an english class or a biology class, you will find that it is hidden with indoctrinations. For example, articles the teacher assigns to be read more than likely has a liberal vibe( generally something about gun control or global warming). They will use classes like business ethics or business law to spew out some hate towards big businesses. I remember one time, an english professor had assigned the class to practice business writing and said to write to our congressmen. He even pointed to the website ( a democratic one) that had a letter already written and said just send the letter via e-mail, to the congressmen. All of the other students did exactly that except me, because it was an easy way of getting out of an assignment. What the other students didn't realize, was that he tricked them into garnering support for one of his causes. How foolish is that to sign a petition and not realize what it says! So yeah, I think students are indoctrinated.

Franco,

Skilled electricians make good money, if they're in a union. In right to work states, bar tenders make more money than electricians.

Ray,

Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes

"And where are Obama's transcripts? - hidden away like just about everything about the worst POTUS ever."

What do Obama's transcripts have to do with George W. Bush?

Da Noid you really don't research things do you?

Republicans average more college degrees per person than democrats in the house and Senate. The average Democrat is less likely than the average Republican to have a JD in Law. There are more doctors that are Republican, than democrats.

There are 4 Rhodes Scholars. Only one is a democrat. Only one was with distinction - A republican.

The 2010 batch of Republicans increased the education gap, and of the republicans that lost they had greatly more education than their democratic opponents.

If you really understood education and it's funding, you would understand that the democratic plan we have followed in education is putting higher education out of reach even further. There is so much that could be done to change this. The first thing is get the fed out of it.

Thinking everyone should get a college education is not living in the real world.

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No one is saying everyone should get a college education -- you'd realize that if you had sufficient education short of college. And your repetition of the anti-intellectual/education mantra about "useless degrees" is hogwash. Never having been to college, you don't know what you're talking about -- but are more then willing to swallow any anti-education rhetoric in effort to feel better about yourself.

What is being said is that anyone who wants to get a college education should be able to do so, without having to be wealthy, and without having to take on bankrupting debt.

I'll bet you prefer a doctor -- especially a brain surgeon -- who didn't bother going beyond high school.

Unhappy-1583758

You've never been to college, else you'd be able to express yourself literately in writing.

Or did you flunk out becasue illiterate in your own native language, and viewed competence in it as a "liberal" conspiracy?

Your characterization of college is recognized by those who've actually been there as hogwash. College doesn't teach views; it teaches how to think critically about all views.

I am currently in college and you can go to school with out taking on a "bankrupting debt" (Jnag). If you go to a instate university tuition is fairly reasonable. If you start out at Community College then transfer to a 4 year school its even less costly. I have also been working my entire college career full time. Its taken me a bit longer but guess what no debt to speak of. There are ways it can be done. Stay at home an extra year or two and go to a local school if you are really that concered about being able to afford your higher education don't insist on going away. Most college students are just looking at where to party and how to get away from mom and dad. I have read some comments about "teaching responsibility and independence" I was able to learn that before I was out of highschool. You dont have to go away to a school that costs 20k a year just to figure that out.

1600's? I thought he was aiming more for the 1300's.

palm springs its the liberals that have caused this country to take a nose dive with all their anything goes attitude , thats why this country is falling apart you can allow only so much evil to prevail before things come around to bite you in the as.... , like they say you reap what you sow and now its time to pay for what has been allowed in this country as the norm.

PalmSprings: right you are. NOW Santorum rails against education? (After he has made millions off of his three degrees? Not good enough for the sons and daughters of the 'great unwashed' who make up his followers?) And they eat it up. Reap what you sow, indeed. Name me one person elected to national or state office who does not have some college education. If they want to lower the bar for their own children, so be it...Let's hope those generations are a whole lot smarter than the pathetic parents who for the first time in anyone's memory, argue for LESS for future generations.

its the liberals that have caused this country to take a nose dive with all their anything goes attitude , thats why this country is falling apart you can allow only so much evil to prevail before things come around to bite you in the as...

Evil liberals you say? Newt, an admitted adulterer is a liberal? Ms. Santorum, committing fornication with an abortion doctor, is a liberal. Being narrow minded is a better definition of evil, and your post is full of it.

JoAnn from Moundsville, WV and least he don't sleep with his cousin

Well that was random Don

welll W.V didnt go for Obama like the idiots in the northeast did and the ones in the midwest and california , the ones with S.F.B. aka shi.. for brains.

Wayne: so those advocating for LESS education are the really smart people in this country? No wonder your side lost so badly and is about to loose so badly again. With friends like you to help lower the bar for all future generations, this country doesn't need any enemies.

Oh..as opposed to the elitist liberals that supposedly know what's best for everybody, right?

OH Oh Oh Oh Oh oh...Look at me: I'm an elitist, I'm an elitist, I'm an elitist. Rinse and repeat!

Congratulations, Torpedo---you finally made it to elitist status!!

JK, nope we "elitists" don't pretend to know what's best for everyone but Rick Santorum believes that everyone should be "home schooled" so apparently he knows what's best so who is the "snob"?

Jody,

There is a big difference in the opinion of a candidate versus the President that has REQUIRED everyone to have health insurance whether want to or not...

Torpedo,

If the truth hurts, I apologize...

It's about time you started paying for your own healthcare.

If the truth hurts, I apologize...

Translation: If the Fox noise hurts go @!$%# yourself.

Tennessee Rebel, oh that's priceless. Don't you have a klan rally to go to, I know you don't want to miss the much anticipated lighting of the cross.

Ok...Mr. Bayner...

How do you account for this latest poll...

'

Nearly two years after President
Obama signed his landmark healthcare package into law, three-quarters of
registered voters believe the law’s requirement that every American carry health
insurance is unconstitutional, according to a new survey."

And thank you very much...I already pay for my own health insurance... I trust you do the same...or are you one of those that live off the government?

Easy to explain the survey results--most Americans have no idea at all what is in the legislation other than what the media tells them, and most get their news from Fox.

JK -

1. You have to have car insurance if you have a loan outstanding. You want to tell me how having mandated health insurance is any different? If you don't want to have car insurance, don't have a car. If you don't want to have to have health insurance, don't have a body. Pretty damn simple, I think.
2. I love Republicans. You're the first people to bitch to the high heavens when "the government" has to step in and intervene on behalf of people who can't afford to pay their bills (because we all know - being poor is a choice)... then when the government steps in and says you have to have insurance so someone is on the line for the costs - you bitch about that. Personally? I'd rather we just socialize medical care and be done with it. Give you something to really bitch about.
3. One thing I will say on the current issue. I have two sons who I love more than life itself. I was the third person in this world to hold both of them after they came into the world (the doctor had the right to make the catch - I can't gainsay her for that... and my beautiful wife who went through 9 months of misery and discomfort was allowed to be the second holder). I want my kids to succeed. To me - happiness is using your knowledge, skills and abilities to 100% of your potential. I plan on pushing my kids to the limit so they can look back when they're 40 years old and say... "Dad was hard, but he had my best interests in mind when he rode my butt about success." I don't want a 40 year old car mechanic who had the capacity to be a doctor and never attempted to realize his dreams. But in the reverse, I also don't want a 40 year old son who is a doctor who would have preferred to be a car mechanic. I want my kids to be whatever they want to be - and I'll support them 100% in that decision (as long as he's the bestcar mechanic out there... c'mon, he is my son). What I'm trying to say is - and this may be a shock to some of you "Boomer" parents out there - not every kid is college material. But that's not what we teach. Going to college has become and "end" in itself... and that's the true shame of it. We (the parents) have sold our kids on the fact that a college degree is the same thing as money in the bank. Ask the kids who are graduating now and can't find jobs what their "bank account" currently reads. Try paying off your $30,000 in loans for your "McEducation" with McDonald's check.
4. If you want to set yourself apart - these days - a Masters degree is the only way to go.

• In 2011-12, public four-year colleges charge, on average, $8,244 in tuition and fees for in-state students. The average surcharge for full-time out-of-state students at these institutions is $12,526.
• Private nonprofit four-year colleges charge, on average, $28,500 per year in tuition and fees.
• Public two-year colleges charge, on average, $2,963 per year in tuition and fees.

Source:

Here endeth the comments.

Is that mixed voters or Conservative voters?

That would be new ....Faux survey...so reliable......Santorum says contraceptives should be banned and sex is only for married people...............What's that 99% of catholic women use birth control? So Ricky wants everyone to be catholics. Sorry Ricky, I saw the light when I was caught in the confessional with Linda in 8th grade. You rt wings worship your god,.......I'll worship Linda!

Tired...

Your car insurance argument is faulty. States require to you to have liability insurance. In other words, if you smack into someone, you are at fault and you must be able to reimburse the injured party. Most states do not require to carry collision (except in the case if you have a car loan--but that is only to protect the bank's property). If you choose to drive without collision insurance, that your choice. So if you crash into a tree and only your car is damanged, you are on the hook for repairing it, not someone else. Obamacare is mandating that you must be insured to just live and breath. Big difference!

It was in the LA Times today...I would post the link but it isn't taking...

JK1963

..."Oh..as opposed to the elitist liberals that supposedly know what's best for everybody, right?"...

So, let's get this straight...

Conservatives, the "We're better, richer, more Stepford" people who spend all their energy actually trying to enact legislation that tells everybody else that they're not as good as the 1% is calling liberals "Elitists?"

Precious.

Have a nice day.

Yap,

I was responding to Chris' initial comment. If you choose to insult a group of people then you should expect people to comment on it...

And your point is...?

And these big corporations are trying to tell the people how to run our government?! PULEEZE!!! Some of the biggest swindlers are Corporations lying and cheating the Government. The absolute Republican morons would have not only minorities going back to little of nothing in the 40s and 50s plus, but everybody else who are not WASP (or Catholic) men! GET REAL!!!

@gotme: I always love it when people like you pile up a bunch of numbers and then make some bold pronouncement to others as to what they mean. Take, for instance, the WHO data you parrot in your post: If you add to those numbers the overall costs of healthcare on a per capita basis among all the nations of the world you'd find that the US (at over $6,000) is far and above any other in spending. Which then begs the questions: Does the speed of delivery guarantee better health care? Does the speed of delivery guarantee coverage for the greatest percentage of populations? And most importantly, does the speed of delivery and the highest cost per capita guarantee the best AND most cost effective form of healthcare? To all of these questions I say...OF COURSE NOT!

And to your other erroneous point about business people in presidential cabinets: No where by nobody has it been factually demonstrated that experience in private business has contributyed to better governing. This is a myth that has been perpetuated by republican hacks like yourself for way too many years. As a matter of fact, it ranks right up there with the jibberish about the so-called trickle down theory that Reagan and more recently Larry Kudlow and Art Laffer have been championing - no evidence, factual or otherwise.

The mandated insurance portion of the healthcare bill will get thrown out by the Supremes. You won't have to buy insurance until you need it, and they won't be able to deny you for a preexisting condition. The bloodsucking insurance companies are going to get screwed big time. Too cool. If you're still unemployed in two years, you can get a part time job as an insurance salesman, working only on commission, and just hang out at the emergency room. You'll make a killing.

Fired Senator Pissed off the Dutch/Governor Vaginal Probe in 2012....good grief.

SonofMollyM, you stated that people should just buy health insurance when they get sick.

But what happens when they have a horrible accident and are uninsured, and the direct medical care costs from that accident run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars?

Who pays then? Answer: every single person who has insurance pays, like our current system.

That is precisely why we need universal healthcare, or the sad alternative, mandated coverage. Republicans have no concept that they already pay for the uninsured, and the way our healthcare is structured, they pay a lot more than if coverage was universal or mandated. But the Republican mindset is, "I don't want you to have anything at all if you don't pay as much as me for it."

Republicans are mentally different than liberals. It has been scientifically proven. Republicans are scared little creatures.

"Oh..as opposed to the elitist liberals that supposedly know what's best for everybody, right?"

JK1963, that statement might mean something if conservatives weren't always forcing their beliefs and values down everyone's throats. Talking about the pot calling the kettle black.

So edandbunny,

You think that liberals don't do exactly the same thing?

JK1963

"Yap,

I was responding to Chris' initial comment. If you choose to insult a group of people then you should expect people to comment on it"......

Yeah, Jk.

Like, if the rich, privileged establishment tries to exploit and oppress the less fortunate even more, and the less fortunate fight back, we should expect to be called class warfare wagers, right?

And if white supremacists are just exercising their "god-given" right to free speech by denegrating just about every other segment of the population that isn't white, male and xenophobic, all those other groups should just expect to be called racists, right?

And, if evangelical christians insist on making their religious fanatacism the mainstay of all things American, then everybody else should expect to be called Satanists Waging a War on Christianity, right?

I get it. We ALL get it.

You're like the guy who burned down the house with his parents in it, then yelled at everybody for beating up on an orphan.

Insulting Supremacists isn't a bad thing.

Go Self-Project somewhere else.

Have a nice day.

Yap,

You know nothing about me..yet you insult me. Here is a suggestion for you...why don't you practice what your nick says...

Have a nice day!

JK: Without Collision You Pay a Higher Rate or Surcharge???. NO FREE RIDE>!>!!

JK1963, Maybe you should go to college and take a reading comprehension class or two and you might not need to ask.

Just to make it easy on ya though, I am just as opposed to full socialism as I am to theocracy's.

There HAS to be better GOP minds, and maybe they're proving it by waiting until 2016 when they know they'd have a chance to win the White House.

If Jesus Christ came down from the Heavens and declared himself a Republican candidate, I would STILL seriously have to step back and think about voting for him, though he'd be the best candidate the GOP ever had but could never get.

Maybe the repugnants just need to crack the books while attending their fancy elitist colleges. Then they might have a candidate not just candudates. Just a thought(foreign and missing in cornservative ramblings).

Well surprise Obama isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer either.

Best and brightest? Probably after the Christian zealots drove the best and brightest out of the party.

They hate Obama!

If he is for education then of course they have to be against it!

It is just that simple.

With a public school system run by the government and unions that just happens to be one of the worst in the world. Our education system needs an overhaul and needs to get off of the government teet.

Hey from what planet do we import aliens from.

Unions don't run school systems, the administrators do.

Raff
If the government didn't fund public education 99% of the kids wouldn't be able to read. Is that what you want? Really? To go back literally to the Middle Ages where the populace couldnt read so the Church could just tell them want to think? Because that's exactly what your statement 'get off the government teet' means. Education for the 'elite' only.

So genius, how do you think Obama will handle this now that he's said everyone should go to college? Is the govt. going to pay for college too? Or is this one of his empty talks when he wants something, but doesn't know how to get it? Is that why we have tons of college grads who don't know what to do with their degrees?

If you're a parent, you can probably recall the moment your child was born. You probably remember the anticipation you felt while you waited for them to arrive and the emotions you were overcome with; emotions you probably never felt before in such capacity. In that moment you're ready to care for your new baby and devote your life to them, no matter what the sacrifice or cost.

As parents, we want to make the most of raising our children. We aim to make their lives even better than our own and give them opportunities to excel. But we can get distracted from our goal when we see how expensive it is to raise kids and it gets harder to focus on the opportunities we have to invest in them.

Unfortunately the republicans can't see how the financial decisions we're making today end up being expenses that don't benefit us or our children.

As parents, we have to consider and analyze our financial decisions and make them count when raising our kids. Instead of calculating the costs of raising children, try looking at these expenses in a new light. Test yourself on how well you're managing them, and then consider where to adjust to make your children an investment, the best you ever made in your life.

Investments are expenses that may take a lot of time, money and energy now but provide great savings and return in the future. One of the most important investments we'll make is in our children's education

When your child is young, consider contributing to a Coverdell Education Savings Account (formerly Education IRA). Funds contributed to a Coverdell ESA may be used to help pay for kindergarten all the way up to graduate school. Contributions are limited to $2,000 a year per student.you'll want to look ahead to the college years. Since the cost of higher education is not getting any cheaper, start saving as soon as possible for this important investment.

You never regrets even a moment,When knowing that you had investing in your children during their early days,wheither it's piano lesson tuition fees,swimming lesson fees,abundant books purchases, etc..I can ensure you that on your golden days,You dont left anything behind, with WEALTH WILL distribution among Sibing.This distrubution of wealth done when they still kids.

And lastly you're ensured peacefully, you Dont ends up leaving your "Collection of Wealths" to uneducated,unrounded,crude MONSTERS of yours.

So genius, how do you think Obama will handle this now that he's said everyone should go to college? Is the govt. going to pay for college too? Or is this one of his empty talks when he wants something, but doesn't know how to get it? Is that why we have tons of college grads who don't know what to do with their degrees?

I think everyone should learn how to dress themselves, brush their teeth, eat 2 or three times a day, take a crap daily .... So now that I've made all those recommendations — I'm now obligated to pay for it, or do it for them?

Advice doesn't come with an obligation - nor are you obligated to follow bad advice or good advice. The assumption could be - if someone is constantly complaining about what they don't have... it's fair to point out how they can achieve that goal?... and quit whining.

Were that to happen I would once again believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny. Are we that smart as a nation? Hopefully we are but I do doubt it.

Arne
I would agree with you but I have learned to never underestimate the stupidity of the voting public. There is a chance Santorum might win and that would be disasterous. Be careful what you wish for.

Unemployment by education: no high school, 16.5, high school, 10.4; some college or associate degree, 8.5 and with a BA from a snob college, 4.5.

So?

Steve

The grandson of a coal miner has received the benefits of three advanced degrees from highly regarded institutions which enable him to provide a million dollar income for his ample family. It is curious that he expresses concern for the hazards of higher education which seduce naive students to the elitist liberal snobbish mentality.

@STEVE

accusing sanatorium of class warfare in the same sentence as Obama now that is rich oh the irony.

Yes Steve, you're right but, it's so insightful into who the Rethuglicans REALLY are...They can't obfuscate their way out of these kinds of comments...

"communist" - I don't think it means what you think it means.

Much like hearing GOPers calling Obama a Communist, they have no idea what it means.

Obama is a quasi marxist/socialist or perhaps no one has noticed.I believe Marxism has got a lot to do with Communism.After all Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manefesto, and Obama just loves that book.Oh yeah and he was great buddies with Bill Ayers, a real marxist activist who was head of the Weathermen in the early seventies I think this guy killed a few people,if my memory serves me correctly. They buddied up when Obama came to Chicago!Don't believe me? Look up this Clowns History!

There's Plenty more!

Well I've said enough,don't want to upset all the Obama lovers on here!

Here is your link. Obviously you must be "Internet Challenged" since it only took less than 2 minutes to find this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/santorum-obama-is-a-snob-because-he-wants-everybody-in-america-to-go-to-college/2012/02/25/gIQATJffaR_blog.html

He only said he wanted everyone to have the opportunity to go to college, that is all. You did mean Obama's quote didn't you?

While you are thrashing around, look up the income disparity between college educated, associate degree's and high school grads only, AND look up the unemployment by education, it is 10.5 vs. 4.5, and for those without a high school education, the unemployment rate is 16.5. That Obama, wanting people to have a fighting chance at good wages, and secure futures..the bas***d!

What he really wanted to say is who dat' boy thank he is wit his college degree......

Ricky really wanted to call the President an uppity ni***r but even Ricky is not that stupid. Close, but not quite.

Community colleges offer a far less expensive beginning for kids wanting to attend college yet many republican state houses are cutting money to those very colleges along with K-12 cuts. They claim they want to raise the quality of education and then slash the budgets.

Here in california Our great very democrat leader has slashed the State College School budget 20 %

Jobs of the future will increasingly require some post high school education -- if every single American currently in high school or grade school received a four-year college degree, we will still have fewer graduates than India will have. Think of what this means in terms of critical mass if you are establishing a country of the future. This country will be a backwater nothing without a great commitment to education at all levels -- and more college grads. It's hilarious that Dick Santorum - himself a college graduate -- wants to hamper others looking for the same opportunity.

...and he's fought to come up with plans to make college more affordable - yet ANOTHER thing the GOP shot down...

Art history and Women's studies are connected to some of the highest paying jobs in America! My ex-college roommate, an art history major, just found a painting at a garage sale worth 85,000, which he bought for 5 bucks.

Whatever degree you choose all depends on the student achieving the degree.

The President definitely came off as an academic snob in his open ended statements that all must attend college to succeed.

I call "BS." The President said no such thing. Do you have a link?

Obama apparently thinks thinks taking out 100K in loans for a degree in art history or women's studies is always a great idea.

Now you leave that straw man alone!

Get used to it, Bob----the President is not going to be swift-boated. You folks in the GOP go ahead and take shots at him---he's going to respond.

Uh, okay... under which President did college tuition not go up? Is there really NOTHING that desperate conservatives won't try to blame on Obama. It started as annoying, but is now amusing. Newt and his $2.50/gal gas promise was priceless. I guess Santorum will make college more affordable by, what?, reducing demand? "You don't need to go to college. Look what little good it did for me!"

If Rick Santorum's remarks were so off base, why did the President's handlers have him so directly and quickly respond?

Because Santorum hit a raw nerve.

Sanotrum's beyond ridiculous remark hit a big nerve........the COMMON SENSE NERVE. What jackass would ever negate higher education? Especially coming from someone that has benefited from higher education! Can you let that info sink into your mind..take off your GOP blinders. This radical right-wing-nut is pulling frightening bizarre crap out of his ars that makes zero sense to anyone with a lick of sense....yet the RWNJ's asininely agree with this dangerous idiot. Just listen to his less then stellar audience clap when he says Obama wanting higher learning for our citizen's makes him a snob. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/santorum-obama-is-a-snob-because-he-wants-everybody-in-america-to-go-to-college/2012/02/25/gIQATJffaR_blog.html

Of course, the President never said what Santorum claimed. e.g. that all should attend college to succeed. In fact, if you look at his speeches, for one example, the state of the union from 2009, he engourages vocational eduction, apprenticeship, etc., as well as community college or 4 year college, as appropriate

You are spot on here, riverhawk. Unfortunately, so many Repubicans cannot allow themselves to get past President Obama's name, his birth certificate, or his race, in order to take the time to read or listen to his speeches. As a retired educator, I can attest the weakening of the education system in this country thanks to many of the ridiculous mandates and budget cuts as a result of Republican rule. Our own Governor (shudder) refused to accept the money offered to the state two years ago. It was shared among other states. Last year, however, when she attempted to do it again, the Legislature, although a Republican majority, overruled her decision.

You know, Bob, I do think you are better than this. Do you REALLY support what Santorum said? Or do, in your never to be humble opinion, think that young people need to be able to access education after high school?

Extra points for honesty.

Santorum is working to dumb down American, because stupid people vote Republican.

Job1, judging from Bobber the VP McDonnell, Santorum won't have to work very hard when it comes to conservative minds; not to mention the assistance received from FOX and friends in dumbing down their own.

The liberals started dumbing down kids in the schools in the 80's with their political correctness , thats why they vote for dimocrats because they cant think for themselves , they believe the goverment knows whats best for everyone , well all of you bleeding heart libs can do the rest of us a favor and find a cliff to jump off .

Well Job1, Santorum is NOT the only Rethuglican to pursue that strategy...Has anyone wondered WHY it is that public education in this country - THE same public education that Rethuglicans have been attacking since Reagan - has suffered so many hardships in the past 30 years?

It isn't just bridges in Minn. that have crumbled under the Rethuglican attack plan on the middle class...giving tax breaks to the wealthy while States and Cities suffer hits to education/fire/police departments...All distractions to the REAL show, which has been the gutting of the wholesale shipping of whole sectors of jobs offshore...THE collusion between the Rethugs in Congress and the Corporate 1% Thugs

Hey, Bob, I'm not reading all the comments...I just did a Ctrl+F to see if anyone else thought the use of the word "boast" was strange here. Thanks for pointing it out.

dave your the typical Obama supporter that has his head so far up his butt you cant tell where he ends and you start , I bet your one of his favorite crackers , not a ritz cracker but a dumb cracker.

That seems to be the case in most areas...also, they are not AFRAID of anyone else who is different. This is obviously how the GOP candidates are able to say ANYTHING to make their fan base clap they must all be under-educated closed-minded sheep!

Nice reply, Davebny. Thank you. Some serious food for thought. People who aren't afraid can indeed be dangerous in their ignorance.

Jsa1

ever heard of Michigan, UVirginia, UCLA, UCSan Diego, UC Berkeley.

who is playing the snob game.

Well, they already made their money. Why would they want competition?

High School graduate and 25 year military Vet here. Making enough money to be on his majesty's evil rich person list. Sitting in an office with about a dozen similarly educated, similarly paid, hard working individuals. If you love what you do, and are very very good at it, the money will be sufficient.

What's your point BKER? That you don't need no stinkin college education?

BKER,

Believe what you will but you are fundamentally wrong. You may be at the very top of your earning ability that is hardly true accross the board. I serve many vets of 10 years in the service at a foodbank many of whom are trying their damnest to learn a marketable skill Spec 5 infantry is aresponsible rank but it may not qualify you to anything but manual labor on the outside. Being a manual laborer used to allow a man to raise a family now your lucky to have enough to eat and have health insurance add a wife and kid to the mix and you sure as hell are not living the dream. A high school graduate makes on average 1.2 million over the course of their lives a college grad on average makes 2.1 million with 50% exceeding that. The president would be remiss if he didn't encourage Americans to strive for a better life. Anyone who would belittle this message is a self aggrandizing imbecile we know this to be true of Santorum is the same true of you.

jkh

BKER, just remember that the unemployment rate for college grads currently stands at 4% while for HS grads around 9%. If that doesn't convince you about the value of a college education you're as dense as a rock.

B.S. the current unemployment rate is probably closer to 15 percent plus when you factor in the folks that have given up on looking for work.

The real problem that we have is a surplus of labor, until we STOP the flow of both legal and illegal immigration, we will have HIGH unemployment, low wages and numerous social and economic problems. It won't matter what kind of education you have until this issue is dealt with.

ignorance is bliss. During those glorious 10 years we shipped millions of jobs out of state. immagrants pretty much do the jobs no one in america wishes to apply for. i see and hear plenty of farmers barking that no one wants to do that work. While the president is no snob i would say rick is the idiot or rather ass in the room. someone wants you to have the chance to further your education and they are a snob. yeah this is why church and state must stay seperate. hyperbolic morons like you should never hold office of great power as you will not be for the citizen. You tell women what they can and can not do with their body. you say being raped is a gift. i am shocked your wilf has not left you yet. but that is her choice. This guy is no president of the people. He's a cleric trying to be a political figure.