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Subscribe to RSSPro-Rick Santorum robo calls, using the National Rifle Association's name, are running in Michigan ahead of tomorrow's primary, an NRA member in Michigan emails First Read.
The call compares Santorum and Romney's NRA records, urges members to vote for Santorum, and uses Romney's own words against him.
But the NRA, which hasn't endorsed a candidate, says it's not running the calls.
"We're not doing anything," said Andrew Arulanandam, director of Public Affairs for NRA-ILA, or Institute for Legislative Action. "Our position is anyone would be better than Barack Obama. It's absolutely wrong. We are not paying for anything. We're not spending one cent. That is not us -- completely, unequivocally not us."
Arulanandam said there's no way a campaign or someone supporting a campaign, could have gotten their member list. But someone could get another list, like a hunting-license list, that could have some overlap.
The call tells members that if they care about their right to own a gun, then this message is critical. It notes that Santorum received an A-plus rating from the NRA and calls him a a friend of sportsmen and hunters. Romney, on the other hand, is derided as a disaster for gun owners and uses his own words against him.
"I don't line up with the NRA," Romney is heard saying, replaying his comments from his 1994 Senate bid.
Then, the ad urges Michigan residents not to vote for a moderate from Massachusetts and not to let him destroy gun rights and then plays the Romney quote again.
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I have two points to make. First, I think that it funny that the republicans not only want to trash Obama with dirty tricks, but they do it to each other. Its like watching them eat their own. Second, if our forefathers would have had a crystal ball and could have seen into the future and seen the development of automatic weapons and weapons that have a clip with 20 plus bullets in it, our 2nd amendment could have possibly been written different with a ban on certain weapons.
All good fascists want to message their guns.
The NRA and its members are sick pigs! No other way to describe them.. Ohhhhhhh, whoa is meeeeeee...i want my guns...at any effin cost!!!
Both Romney and Santorum are toxic candidates. They both back gun control because they have to, not because they want to. Santorum is a religious fanatic who wants to take away birth control. PS elect him and you will also lose Social Security and medicare. The guy is a total jerk. Romney will say or do Anything to get Nominated. He lies, he flipflops. Don't bother going to the primary it's a waste of gas. The NRA? They were worthy of respect maybe 50 years ago or more. Now it's just a bunch of greedy gun brokers who want to sell as many guns as they can, while your kids go to school and get shot with them.
I have to belong to the NRA as a condition of membership in my local range club.
I'm a Liberal, and I keep and bear Arms.
I keep telling myself that *MY* dues go towards education and training, not Wayne LaPierre's Scotch and Hooker fund...
Obama hasn't done jack against guns, and he's not going to in his second term, either.
I wonder who the NRA will use for a boogieman if the GOP ever achieves that one-party Totalitarian Rule (permanent majority) Karl Rove fantasizes about?
obama baned the importation of American made M1 Garands from S. Korea that was left over from the Korean war.
Actually, the US made M1-Garand was one of the best rifles ever made. However, it was made for long range accuracy that simply would not jam. It was semi-auto with a eight shot clip. Oh, and it was extremely long. Your not going to hide it easily, nor pull it out in a drive by.
Only a idiot would consider the Garand a assault weapon by todays standards. It was and is still used in COMPETITION TARGET shooting. It's far from the spray and pray mentality of some firearm enthusiasts today.
As a Dem , I kinda think Obama needs to research his decisions a little better in cases like this.
But over the years I've come to expect this kind of un-informed baloney from anti-gun advocates. They want to legislate the hell out of something the know absolutely nothing about. They prove this again and again and kill the moderates and more reasonable in the debate. In other words they shoot themselves in the foot.
This is a great example of that.
Scar-414733:
It may surprise those who feel the need to divide everything into the left or right just how America lives, in comparison to the stereotypes always being presented? I think it could actually startle some to learn just how many 'liberals' own guns.
Like the US flag, patriotism, love of country, religious beliefs, and family values, gun ownership is not exclusively the property of the Right.
Maybe it's a different N.R.A. ? NOT ROMNEY ADMIRORS ! Maybe NEWT ROBOCALL ALLIANCE. Possibly NEVER let RON paul Aim ?
easydoesit: I am a liberal, democrat, that can take out a coffee cup at 400 yards with my old 303 brit enfield.
your point is respectfully taken.
Thats when we had a 400 yard + range. They have all disappeared for insurance reasons.
Replaced with ranges that cater to the machine gun experience. Hey more rounds , more profit and it's just a loan. WIN,WIN,Win for the urban range. And all ammo must be bought in house.
So the day of marksmanship is declining.
7.62X39mm-it was some left-over Bush bureaucrat over in State that derailed the Garand deal, not Obama. Since State approved the original transfer to Korea, they thought they had say-so over the rifles coming back home. Somebody in the administration reversed that, as far as the Garands go, no luck yet on the carbines.
Do you think if Obama was against the Garand deal he would have allowed it to be overturned? I don't.
Yes I remember it as the carbine also.
The SK Garands- the rifles of American WW2 mythology- will likely come in as the Blue Sky imports did in the 1990s, but Obama signed concealed carry onto the Natl Parks and on Amtrak trains. Bush signed some anti import market gun restrictions and bans on black powder, but the GOPers never mention those restrictions on AKs and FALs. Where is the machinegun amnesty in the GOP agenda? The elite don't want Americans armed as the average Afghani and Iraqi with real select fire Kalashnikovs in abundance. Those in the country now are semi auto and way overpriced at $800.
Theres nothing mythical about a 30 caliber bullet sent accurately. In a weapon that wont jam at the first hint of mud and dust, with a excellent iron sight system. Cheapest garand I've seen was $1,500 in what they called good, I call poor condition.
If the NRA didn't sponsor the robocalls, they most likely put somebody else up to it.
I have numerous friends and family who are avid sportsmen and hunters. Not one of them has ever had any difficulty obtaining necessary firearms. It seems that the NRA is taking an intransigent position that there should be no restrictions whatsoever simply because we have the right to bear arms. Rights come with responsibilities folks, and if you can't demonstrate that you're a responsible gun owner, then you shouldn't be able to arm yourself at will.
My father came back from WW2 with two pearl handled Lugars. The NYPD said bring them down to register. Being law abiding he did. He got them back with leaded barrels.
Glad your family had a better history. Some people, would make my late fathers history yours.
PS: Military & Police trained here, passed any test you registration process could ask for.
Registration can be the first step to elimination of the ownership. NY and others have proven it.
Iraq and Afghanistan are full of real Kalashnikovs and RPGs, because those weapons make a real resistance movement possible. Americans are not as free as they think in some key categories.
I have numerous friends and family who are avid sportsmen and hunters. Not one of them has ever had any difficulty obtaining necessary firearms. It seems that the NRA is taking an intransigent position that there should be no restrictions whatsoever simply because we have the right to bear arms. Rights come with responsibilities folks, and if you can't demonstrate that you're a responsible gun owner, then you shouldn't be able to arm yourself at will.
Rich, I think you're right that the NRA won't tolerate any kind of gun restriction. Personally, I hate guns, but since those of us who do hate them know we will never get rid of them, then I wish responsible gun owners would put pressure on the NRA to back restrictions that would increase responsibility among gun owners.
I was actually voting Santorum until this week. I can't go an hour at home without his robo messages coming through. I know all candidates do it but he is carried away. There should be a law against this. I am getting the same messages days in a row. I tried to call his campaign and the message said they would get back shortly but that never happened. I am now on a fast campaign to get anyone I know to vote against him in Michigan. If he does call back I will give some advise for his next run. These calls are making me mad enough I may have to vote for Obama. I hope that doesn't happen.
"I was actually voting Santorum until this week."
Why? I really want to know why anyone would want Santorum in the White House.
Are his calls telling you you'll go to Hell if you don't vote for him?
Vote for Santorum in Michigan! Then call your friends to vote against him in the fall.
You might want to note that Santorum and Romney were soundly defeated in their last (sen and Gov) elections. Why? They stunk at their jobs!
Ron Paul is the only hope the USA has at restoring and preserving our freedoms. obama,and the other canidates don't care about we the people.
Why do some people talk like they have a pocket full of clone copies?
Why not say 'I, the person' instead of 'we the people'? That way they can OWN their own thoughts and choices without a mob to endorse both.
Santorum is anti-gay, anti-female, anti-latino etc. before you vote for him, you might want to check too see if you are on his Anti list.
You can add 'anti-atheist' and 'anti-intellectual' to your list.
Don't forget about all the Protestants that are 'gone from the world of Christanity'.
Think that may be some sort of 'anti' something.
Exactly, just because Anonymous can hack into the NSA database doesn't mean your member list protected by an unknown 4 digit password is at risk.
The gun laws are disgusting. When do the people who oppose gun laws have to realize that these laws have to be changed. If guns were not so readily available then these awful shootings would not be happening. Maybe some of these hunters etc should be hunted themselves!!!!! Changes would then quickly be made to the gun laws.
frintonfriend, I agree and if it were possible I'd have the animals hunting them from helicopters.
LUNATICS WILL KILL WHETHER GUNS ARE AVAILABLE OR NOT. would you really like to live in a world where only the criminals had guns???
REALLY???
#65 :Gotta love it. Anti-gun advocates want pro gun ownership people killed with guns.
Yup, your grasp on logic is most impressive:-)
Please form a new political party. You make Dems like me look bad.
Scar, people like frintonfriend who are calling for tighter gun control laws are not ANTI-GUN, they're PRO-GUN SAFETY. The fear-mongering myth being perpetuated by the NRA that somehow there are people who want take away guns from their members is designed to roil up their members into a state of hyper-paranoia.
frinton"Maybe some of these hunters etc should be hunted themselves!!!!! Changes would then quickly be made to the gun laws."
Jack: frintonfriend, I agree and if it were possible I'd have the animals hunting them from helicopters.
Yea, how could someone misinterpret your stance???
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a rubber stamp for the NRA . But your posts put you to a FAR FAR extreme thats neither left or right, but lunatic fringe.
Santorum just creeps me out more and more by the day...
Father First, Senator Second
For Rick Santorum, Politics Could Hardly Get More Personal
By Mark Leibovich
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, April 18, 2005;
In his Senate office, on a shelf next to an autographed baseball, Sen. Rick Santorum keeps a framed photo of his son Gabriel Michael, the fourth of his seven children. Named for two archangels, Gabriel Michael was born prematurely, at 20 weeks, on Oct. 11, 1996, and lived two hours outside the womb.
Upon their son's death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen's parents' home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61804-2005Apr17.html
It sad that evil seems to have taken over conservative minds, hence their belief that guns carried around everywhere is a great thing. They have been blinded by the evil one. We have to keep praying that God will open the eyes of conservatives and prevent them from becoming satan bait so easily.
I firmly believe that most republicans believe that the safest society is one where everyone has a gun and can display it in open carry. I also believe that most republicans would rather that all measures aimed at controlling military style weaponry are without ANY merit or logic. I also believe that most republicans believe that by instituting any kind of gun control legislation is the first step in taking guns away from people.
(Some might question my use of the term 'republicans' in portraying all gun fanatics but the fact remains that so-called 'moderate' republicans that might be sympathetic to gun legislation of any kind packed up and left the country a long time ago.)
JackBNimble1:
"I also believe that most republicans believe that by instituting any kind of gun control legislation is the first step in taking guns away from people."
Lets see...NYC, New Jersey registration became close to elimination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York
Oh by the way, their gun laws close to mirror Mexico's.
In NYC you need the police to give you a permit. In Mexico you need the military to give you a permit.
Worked great in both places right (sarcasm).
I'm all for training, securing your arms in a safe place, and acting responsibly. But not your model of control.
And your forgetting your post on hunters being killed from helicopters??
"frintonfriend, I agree and if it were possible I'd have the animals hunting them from helicopters."
No doubt, you only meant Republican hunters?? Otherwise , a lot of Democrat hunters in your hate mix as well.
PS: never hunted from a heli, on foot thru swamps , palmettos , and mud in my history.
Once again the NRA is circulating the lie that Obama wants to take away everybody's guns. The purpose is apparently to generate contributions to the NRA and to generate votes for Republican candidates from the ignorant as dirt conservative base. This same garbage was going around before the 2008 election. What happened? Nothing of course, because Obama has no desire to do anything like that. If he had wanted to, he would have tried that in his first two years in office when he had a Democratic congress.
Actually a January 20/2008 article in the Washington post by Robert Barnes points out that the BUSH administration dropped the ball on a final interpretation of the 2nd Amendment .
In a climate where pro 2nd amendment arguments would have probably won.
In District of Columbia v Heller ,the NRA tried to scuttle the case. According to Walt Thiessen (Libertarian) Nov21, 2007.
So both sides play the subject and keep it churning for base votes.
Just like the abortion issue.
Just like the immigration issue.
Just like the exportation of jobs issue.
just like the US exportation of gasoline issue.
just like the mining of rare minerals, removal of nuclear waste issues.
etc.etc.etc.
Right on, divide and conquer. And laugh all the way to the bank.
what we have seen from obama in his first term will pale in comparison to what we will see if he is re-elected. if re-elected obama will push all of his hidden agenda because he will have no political recourse.
if you thought the first 4 years was bad the next 4-years will be 10 times worse.
we can not afford another 4-years of obama!!
ANYBODY BUT OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!!!
Working with the NRA are you...You do know your message of hate works only with the few lunatics you appeal too..
Slantorium you are a dbag....Talking trash about President Kennedy....
Romney / Paul 2012 or Paul / Romney 2012
if people really want obama out we should stop bashing the potential canidates that will be in the race
if my choice was santorm vs. obama i would want santorum
I remember when the NRA was a sporting organization.
Now its just another in a long line of right-wing hate groups lead by some of the most violent and hatefully delusion psychopaths on the planet, no better than the Taliban or al Qaeda. They have the exact same agenda.
Just so you know. If you take a firearms safety course or hunter safety course in your state, the book is probably from the NRA.
The sporting target matches have declined as the ranges have declined.
Don't get me wrong . I left them for their partisan BS . In my state they went against a governor that was 100% 2nd amendment and a turkey hunter. But he was a DEm. So the R was endorsed.
But they still do some good.
"I can't beat Mitt Romney" by Barack Obama
“A vote for Rick Santorum is a vote for me” Barack Obama “Democrats, cross the line and vote for me, I know you don’t like me, but it helps Obama if I beat Romney” Rick Santorum. ANYTHING SEEM STRANGE HERE? Michigan vote ROMNEY.
Romney Beats Obama, no one else comes close. Don’t be played for a sap.
A vote for Romney is a vote for the poster boy of the 1%. The guy who will wipe out your plant for investor profit.
Want a Obama second term ....lol Lets see...Health care??? same, 2nd amendment same, trade deals?? apparently Obama not generous enough at exporting jobs??abortion? which way is the wind blowing??War?? Obama not warring enough??hmmmm
The only honest one is Paul. And he doesn't have a ice cubes chance in hell.
Obama = & forced to be for middle working class Romney= & for Country club investor class
Such a hard decision (sarcasm). Check your bank account and decide.
our 2nd amendment rights are in place so that we the people, citizens of the United States of America can defend ourselves against an oppressive government.
to remove this right would be to condemn ourselves to certain oppression by the current administration or those to come.
protect our 2nd amendment rights as well as all of our guaranteed Constitutional rights.
AS Sound Bit Romney said, "there's more to us republicans than guns and God". He forgot money, money, money and more guns.