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Republican presidential candidate and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum greets an audience member Saturday after a Tea Party rally in St. Clair Shores, Mich.
ST. CLAIR SHORES, MI – Speaking to Tea Party activists Saturday, Rick Santorum charged Mitt Romney and Ron Paul with “coordinating” to block his momentum in the race for the GOP presidential nomination.
“The coordination that I felt at that debate the other night was pretty clear,” Santorum said of a CNN debate in Arizona this week, where he sat between the two men and at times seemed to struggle under fire from each side.
“I felt like, you know, messages were being slipped behind my chair,” he added.
Santorum’s remarks, which came in response to a question from a member of the audience, reflect growing attention on a theory about an unlikely political partnership.
“It is pretty remarkable in 20 debates that Ron Paul has never attacked Mitt Romney,” Santorum said.
Calling him Romney’s “wingman,” Santorum said of Paul, “he is no conservative,” adding, “we don’t need the Ron Paul faction and the moderate establishment teamed up to attack the real conservative in this race.”
In fact, much of Santorum’s speech Saturday -- only three days before voters in Michigan and Arizona head to the polls in tight primary contests -- was focused on defining himself as a “real conservative.”
About a tax plan Romney unveiled this week, which would limit charitable deductions by wealthy taxpayers, Santorum said: “We have a Republican running for president who’s campaigning as an Occupy Wall Street adherent.”
Earlier, Santorum said of Romney, “It’s absolutely laughable to have a liberal governor of Massachusetts suggest that I am not the conservative in this race.”
In a measure of how high the stakes are in Michigan, the Romney campaign deployed a surrogate to the event, who conversed with reporters as they hurriedly packed their things following the speech.
“Michigan voters want to see somebody who has experience turning around the economy,” said State Rep. Aric Nesbitt, the Romney surrogate, of his candidate.
Nesbitt accused Santorum of voting “with big labor” in his opposition to a 1995 right-to-work bill.
But among the conservative activists here, there was palpable excitement about a message that has as much to do with values as the economy.
As Santorum made his way to a back door of the ballroom, a woman in the crowd introduced her son.
“My son’s going to be a first-time voter this year in the presidential election,” she said. “He’s looking forward to voting for you.”
Asked why she and her son are supporting Santorum, the woman, Tracey Jones, a health care worker in the battleground county of Macomb, told NBC News that her family lives by biblical principles.
“I think he’s the best candidate out there right now, because he’s standing for families,” Jones said, “and for the strong values that we uphold in our household.”
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It's sad to watch Santorum, in real time, descend into insanity!
Speaking to Tea Party activists Saturday, Rick Santorum charged Mitt Romney and Ron Paul with “coordinating” to block his momentum in the race for the GOP presidential nomination.
....And to top it all, the guy is paranoid! Exactly what we need at the White House...right? A Paranoid bible thumper that hates women, birth control, and the Iranians.....
It's not just Romeny and Paul against you...It's anybody with an inch of common sense...
Coordination, as in the coordination of reflection that there is no recovery and we are hosed.
See gang, gas is through the roof. Jumped another $.05 just today. We here in SO Cal are staring down the barrel at $4.55.
THe problem for the incumbent is demand is way, way down. Any and all signs of economic recovery require increases in gas consumption - people got to get to work, goods need to be shipped and so on. But that's not what's going on here.
Instead we got a big dose of our dollars being worth far less than they were just a short while ago. See -all that QE 1 and QE 2, not to mention the crushing debt and deficits, have a cost. And that cost is real.
In other words, economic reality always wins.
And now that gas "necessarily skyrockets" the people are forced to look behind the curtain. Solyndra, windmills and unicorns? not so much. Pond scum? gimme a break.
Sadly, this will feed onto itself. Gas over $5 by next week here.
So hats off to you Obama, and you Energy Sec. Chu. You said this is what you wanted. You said this is what needed to happen. Mission accomplished.
Now suck it America, you silly bitter clingers needed to get off the dirty stuff anyway.
Oil and Gas Prices
USA Today Dec 16, 2011: The U.S. exported more oil-based fuels than it imported in the first nine months of this year, making it likely that 2011 will be the first time since 1949 that the nation is a net exporter of such goods, primarily diesel.
"It's dramatic. It's transformative," Edward Morse, a former senior U.S. energy official who now directs global commodities research at Citigroup, says of the historic shifts. He says the U.S. is importing a smaller share — 49% in 2010, down from 60% in 2005 — of the oil it uses, adding: "We're moving toward energy independence."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1
International Business Times Feb 24, 2012: Gasoline demand plummeted -- down 5.4 percent, or about 500,000 barrels per day, from a year ago, marking the 24th week in a row that year-on-year demand is lower.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/304040/20120224/rise-u-s-gasoline-prices-wall-street.htm
Production is up and demand is down so all the noise from the Right is simply bull. The real problems come from the Middle East, refinery production (shut downs) and speculators.
See gang, gas is through the roof. Jumped another $.05 just today. We here in SO Cal are staring down the barrel at $4.55
Keep blaming President Obama...The truth will get you when Big Oil release their profits the next quarter...
Spanky - But what's even more interesting is how the government reports inflation. They exclude consumables such as food and gasoline from the inflation numbers. The slight of hand will be in play when it comes to showing people that inflation is under control. Forget the fact over the past 6-7 months gasoline has risen almost a dollar per gallon. Forget the fact that the cost of milk in the store has gone up 80 cents per gallon. Bread is pushing 3 bucks a loaf. Have you priced a decent ribeye steak? $8.99 a lb. At least chicken is still somewhat reasonable.. as long as you buy it towards it's expiration date. The one bright spot in all this is I can still buy 50 rounds of 9MM full metal jackets around $12.00.
Dennis - Demand is down because people aren't working and can't afford the luxury of driving their vehicles all over the place. My truck has sat in my driveway all week since my lay-off. I am only one of 20+million people out of work right now. It only makes sense that demand would drop... but that's not stopping the price from rising... mid-east turmoil withstanding. It's not right wing BS.... I could say it's people like you refusing to understand the dynamics of how the system works. My work creates the demand for me to buy fuel. I've had construction positions where I'd fill my truck up 3 times a week. I haven't put fuel in my truck since I left Alabama over a week ago. I don't plan on putting any in either...
Stop blaming the right for the concerns we have over the economy. The White House plays a huge role in how our economy is driven... right now it's being driven over the cliff.
Mission accomplished
Where did I hear that before? HMMMMMMM...can't remember....
Santorum has a case. The best evidence is that Ron Paul claims not to be contesting Michigan, opting instead for a caucus and smaller state strategy, yet Paul is running negative ads against Santorum in Michigan - the state Romney needs to win right now.
Why does this frickin' website try to get me to log in to Facebook everytime I come? I'm not a Facebook member, most likely will never be a Facebook member, and have little beyond disdain for so-called news organizations which in reality promote social networking.
I haven't put fuel in my truck since I left Alabama over a week ago. I don't plan on putting any in either...
Well, a door just opened for you and you can go back to Alabama, thanks to the GOP:
Alabama immigration: crops rot as workers vanish to avoid crackdown. The day before harsh new laws
came into effect, Brian Cash had 65 Hispanic men picking tomatoes. Now he has none
Ed Pilkington
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/edpilkingto
Brian,
Good luck with the job hunt !!!!
Production is up = supply availability
Demand is down = supply availability
That says that prices should fall but they are not for the
very reasons I stated above. There is no other solid reason.
Yes when people go back to work the demand will increase and the price will go up but that is not the case today or in the past year or more.
And while in grumpy old dude mode, MSNBC, what was the reason for the little pictures next to names? This once was a place for serious discussion. What happened? Now, it is really so different than any other chat room?
On gas prices, Robert Reich has offered his predictions .. basically, most of the rise in gasoline is due to speculation which should soon drop. Barring an out-and-out war in Iran, he is very likely correct.
http://robertreich.org/
The Gas Wars
MONDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 2012
Let me ask a rhetorical question... Does anyone know how the government taxes gasoline? Most people think it's a fixed price per gallon. Not true. The government taxes gasoline on a percentage of price basis. They place a percentage of the price per gallon at the pump. Right now the current percentage is somewhere near 36%. Every time the price rises, the government cashes in a little more in taxes. This is the reason you will never hear the government say they are for lower prices. As the price drops, their revenue drops... so basic instinct tells me that the government is pro rising prices.
Brian,
Do you have a source or link for that?
The reason is that a close friend delivers fuel and he says that the Federal tax is fixed on a per gallon basis. The tax is different for gas v diesel. Maybe the state tax in some states is a percentage based but not in Ohio.
Brian ... info I can find shows ...
The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon. The State of KY levies 21.1 cents per gallon and 1.4 cents per gallon for underground storage tank fund (total tax per gallon of 40.9 cents). There may also be some local taxes.
I too have heard (don't remember where/when) that it is a % tax, but cannot locate any info on that.
CALIFORNIA does a percentage tax on gasoline.
Brianb:
I'm interested in your claim that fuel excise taxes aren't on a per gallon basis, because, with the exception of a small handful of places, they actually are on a per gallon basis in the United States. Federal taxes are 18.4 cents a gallon. States taxes have some fluctuation in how they are applied, but that is irrelevant to your argument as it applies to the Presidential race.
I don't mean to be a prick here, but I see your posts often, and you are often wrong when you try and make points like this. You are at a computer, use it.
It's even sadder to see american voters base their decisions on who should lead the country on arbitrary 'biblical' standards. It's even sadder to see religious americans completely and utterly fail to understand that different people can and should believe in the bible in different ways. It's such a sin to godly people when the christian next door thinks differently than they do. Ghandi was right!
The President is not a religious leader and needs to know more than the bible to get that job done well.
That is just what the Muslims do in their countries, and see where that has gotten them. Ironic that these very same people are the first to complain about/put down the Muslims, or perceived Muslims, whichever is convenient, yet are adhering to the same mixing/confusing of leadership with Religious Zealotry.
That, I believe, is the definition of Hypocrisy.
You've gotten confused, there are actually 2 taxes on gasoline. One is a Federal tax, on a per gallon basis, used to fund Federal transportation programs. The other is State and Local sales taxes, those are based on a percentage of the sales price, just like all other sales taxes. The Federal tax doesn't change with changing prices (which could actually be a good idea if rising prices mean reduced taxes and reduced prices increased the tax to encourage conservation). It is the State and Local sales taxes that increase with increased prices.
BTW, some states don't have a sales tax, but may apply a "per gallon" fuel tax instead.
Brianb--
This is incorrect, but it's a common misconception.
The government reports two inflation numbers that create the confusion: CPI (Consumer Price Index) and Core CPI. CPI includes food and energy; Core CPI does not.
The reason they report Core CPI is that food and energy fluctuate too much from month to month.
But as for government and Federal Reserve decisions based on inflation, the number they use is the PCE, (Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index). This is based on something called "chained dollars" which actually just means they adjust it over time according to what has recently transpired.
The media, however, will report any dang thing to get a headline. If the Core CPI looks good, they'll jump all over that and then explain somewhere in the article that it doesn't include food and gas.
Brian, it literally took me less than 30 seconds to pull up the information that refutes what you've posted here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_taxes_in_the_United_States
So, to sum up, as several others have: You're dead wrong. You're posting things you either "heard somewhere" (always a reliable citation for factual information) or worse, things you're just pulling out of your butt, as you're posting them as facts, when they're actually lies. As one very clever person said, you're at a computer, use it. Research your "facts" before you repeat them. The federal tax on gasoline is a flat 18.4¢ per gallon, and for diesel, it's 24.4¢. Period, end of the story. No drama, no sliding scales, no conspiracies.
This statement appears to be just as erroneous as Brian's initial made-up facts. See the "Fuel Taxes" link above? Click and learn. I'm from Colorado and 40.4¢ per gallon in total tax is actually printed on stickers at many gas station pumps. It doesn't fluctuate with the total sales price of the gas purchased.
P.S. From the linked article, in case you're too
lazybusy to click and read it:Too bad he won't have a chance to be elected POTUS. Then he'd really see some coordination against him. Just like the current president is experiencing. It's unfortunate that the American people are the ones who bear the cost of dysfunctional government.
And for a Conservative there is no other reason to vote for person other than to force their religion into government and thereby their religious beliefs and principles on everyone else. But whatever you do, keep government out "their religion". In other words, the free are not meant to be free until religious beliefs are imposed upon the populace. Then the Conservatives will tell them that they have religious freedom for themselves as long as it's by Conservative biblical principals reflected in their legislation.
"The White House plays a huge role in how our economy is driven... right now it's being driven over the cliff."
Not so. When it cones to the economy, Presidents are like NFL quarterbacks -- they get way too much credit for the good times and way too much blame for the bad times.
Think for yourself. Wikipedia is an open source media. Although it is checked, it changes at any time and can say just about anything.
Check their links of proof, too often they are dead links, and some sources are suspect.
BTW - the Fed and most states are a set amount of tax, but for the poor slobs in Illinois the state tax is percent add on like a sales tax. Perhaps Brian is from Illinios.
I'm well aware of what Wikipedia is, but it's a very accurate source of information the vast majority of the time, and independent studies have confirmed it's every bit as accurate and factually grounded as Encyclopædia Britannica.
Here is the link which the Wikipedia article cites for its information on fuel taxes:
http://www.api.org/Oil-and-Natural-Gas-Overview/Industry-Economics/Fuel-Taxes.aspx
Very functional link. I checked.
Also, I can find no evidence to support your claim about Illinois adding "sales tax" to gasoline sales any differently than other states. Can you provide me with a link, please?
Hey "chilled," Pope Ricky Holy Cane Sugar Spirits isn't descending
into insanity, he's a full fledged paranoid delusion, religious intolerant,
misogynistic psychotic. He needs some serious medication and
restraints, certainly not a ticket to the White House.
No, I'm not a psychiatrist/psychologist, just a layman who worked
in the field for 20 years.
Hey Ricky, that's not even the half of it! MOST AMERICANS are against you!
(He's talking like a paranoid with a persecution complex.) You might want to see a doctor about that, Ricky.
RE: gas prices...
States tax gasoline at rates that differ widely, and anyone who buys gas (all of us, I assume) knows that gas stations of the same company offer different prices in the same town.
It's bound to be an issue in an election year because the price of everything goes up when the price of gas goes up. But it's the Republicans who have a vested interest in keeping gas prices artificially high right now, just to make Obama look bad. No big surprise.
Waaaaa!!! Mommy, they aren't playing fair. I'm going to take my ball and go home!
Two to three months ago I watched a live Senate sub-committee question top representatives/CEO's of five (5) of the largest oil companies in the World who operate out of the United States.
These representatives had no problem threatening the members of the commitee. In fact, when one CEO was asked what he or his company could do to help the American Citizens at the pump, he brazenly responded:
(paraphrased by me), 'We only make a net profit of about 6 cents per gallon at the pump, whereas you (referreing the the Federal government) make a net profit of almost ten (10 X's) times that amount. Don't you think you are the ones in a better position to help your people?'.
Though oil companies are part of Americas Corporate profiteering combine, the manner in which that CEO delivered his response the question confirmed my belief that policy and legislation will continue to be dictated to government by Corporate America, as long as they get their share.
Big business can pay for more lobbyists and bigger bribes therefore will always be listened to ,more than the voice of the employers of government. We the people will never be heard unless we can force,i.e. by our votes, our elected officials , to disbar the uncontrolled bribery that is caused by them. I also strongly consider that we should not be subsidising of these corporations that are making disgusting profits as well as being able to virtually write their own ticket on rules by which they are expected to operate.
He isn't the dumbest even though he's a theocrat. Here in Minnesota most of the places he went were churches. And guess who comes out to vote? I am guessing it cheaper to give to the church than pay for advertising.
"Rick, your mommy is calling you, its Bath time" Mommy said my little boy stinks and hes drawing flies !
This is wrong. Once again, people post incorrect information and post it as factual. And once again, it took about a minute or so on "the Google" to find the actual, correct facts. I just don't understand why people don't avail themselves of the VAST amount of actual true information that's readily available online with just a few keystrokes and mouse clicks. Nearly the entire sum of humanity's knowledge is literally at our fingertips, yet people insist on repeating innuendo and "things they heard somewhere, but can't remember where" as if it's the gospel truth. I just don't get it.
Here are the FACTS: Illinois collects a flat, fixed tax per gallon, just like the Feds, and just like every other state. In Illinois, it's 19¢ per gallon in "fuel tax" (presumably a sales tax), and 40¢ per gallon in "fuel use tax." Total tax, 59¢ per gallon, which is included in the posted prices you see at gas stations in Illinois... again, just like in every other state. This was just updated as of January 2012, so the 57.2¢ listed in the Wikipedia entry just hasn't been updated as of yet.
Source: Illinois Dept. of Revenue.
http://tax.illinois.gov/Publications/Sales/SalesTaxRates/FixedRatesMotorFuel.htm
yea...I thought here in Michigan, the gas tax is a flat rate also. On some pumps there's a small sticker that says a certain amount is the amount paid per gallon.
http://www.commonsensejunction.com/notes/gas-tax-rate.html
(ps: Illinois was the 5th highest combined tax, in July 2011 according to this form)
The price of gas is not what you pay at the pump. It is paid by what you do with the accelerator. It is not $X.XX9/10 at the pump it is MILES PER GALLON. Everyone whines about the price of gas but not many do the one biggest thing that determines the ACTUAL COST you pay. That thing is SLOW DOWN. Every day I see idiot after idiot driving to and from work at 80/85 MPH. Tailgating so badly that they step on their brakes every 10 seconds and not maintaining a even constant speed. Get out of bed 20 minutes earlier do 70 instead of 85. Stop rushing toward red lights. Stop the jackrabbit starts. Keep your tires inflated. Keep your air filter clean. Get the golf clubs out of the trunk. (it is not a storage unit-moving weight costs) Keep your car in tune. The true cost of gas is not at the pump it is how many miles you get with that gallon. 300 miles of driving at 25 miles a gallon is 12 gallons. @ $3.699 a gallon costs you $44.39. 300 mile of driving at 30 miles a gallon is 10 gallons. @ $3.699 a gallon is $36.99. The more gas costs the greater the savings. It's your choice.
Paranoia is setting in, we should make sure all his weapons and cyanide capsules are removed from his home before it's too late. Or should we even bother?
Santorum is officially off in the deep end, over his head, blowing bubbles. He also accused of an evil kind of environmental "theology" while apparently unaware that the Pope issued a statement about the importance of our stewardship of the Earth:
So now I'm wondering if and when he will throw the Pope "under the bus."
oops ...... that was President Obama that he accused of an evil "theology"
Translation; Why is everybody always picking on me?
Newflash little Ricky - YOU my friend, are certifiable!
The GNOP sure knows how to put the 'V' in victim!
You have to wonder what would happen if they ever took one iota of RESPONSIBLITY?
Who knows, they might win an election or two....
Yup Feisty.....Santorum's references to the devil, statements about pre-natal care culling, takes his deceased (19 weeks old) baby home and now paranoia sets in!...He's afraid of Ron Paul....Santorum better seek professional help!
The media has been reporting this for at least 3 weeks
and he/his team just figured it out?
That Charlie Brown he's a clown and why is everybody always pickin' on me..............Reminds me of a bunch of toddlers. WAAAAAA Mommy he's touching me.... But he touched me first. Don't make me come back there...........It'd be fun to watch if it wasn't so dognab pitiful. I'm starting to feel sorry for the folks that are long time and moderate Republicans. Looks like we are going to have to hide a bunch over at the Comeback Inn till this is over and they can show thier faces again.
Good Grief Chilled!
The DEVIL is in the details with these clowns! ;o)
Ricky is a SUPER freak -Super freak - he's super FREAKY!
Clearly, Santorum thinks he is high school and the mean girls are after him. For he!!s sake, this is a presidential campaign, not the 11th grade, or is it?
Floyd - what brings you out and about on a Saturday night? Good to see you & give the RHEST a {{{hug}}} for me will ya?
I just whipped up a pot of Feisty's Five Alarm Chili for our Oscar party tomorrow night! I'm doing some filets & aspargus for tonights meal!
Super Freak = Rick James......
Lil Ricky Santorum ain't havin' fun!...he's too scared!
That's what it sounds like to me,
"Poor me... All them bad boys are ganging up on me......Bwahaaaa hhoooooo.....
And you will be going home....
(courtesy of Steely Dan....)
Just got in from cutting a load of wood to cut the chill off that wind that's suddenly coming off an Iceburg somewhere and I thought I'd check in Betty. ...........Just a thought but how do you think that Little Ricky would make out on F.R. What did Mr. Murray tell us. Politics has become a contact sport.If you can't stand the heat in the Kitchen then you best get the hell out before some vital body parts get singed just a mite. Bet Little Ricky wouldn't last past the first F.T.'s
I DO remember Floyd - something like, if you can't take a blow then get the hell out of the arena!
I'm in full body armor and ready for the next competitor! ;o)
However, I do see our resident a$$hole in putting in some O/T tonight - wonder if the Mrs. finally kicked him to the curb? lol
Yeh look out Betty looks like Dennis has his sorry behind undercontrol so's it won't be long before he does a BUT.....BUT....BUT and comes down here to try and pick a fight on a totally different subject. Deflection and defensiveness is his middle name.
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away
~Buffalo Springfield~
@ Chilled #2.1
Agreed Santorum needs professional help. But he is too sick to seek it on his own. He needs an intervention (i.e. voters slamming him down). But then again, he most certainly would have a relapse. It is hard to believe how these failed right-wingers keep on coming back. And back. Name them all. They either have a disgraceful record or raking in the $ money on book deals. Or both. It is like an old fashioned horror movie of zombies.
Leave him alone Red, let Mitt & Rick keep tearing chunks out of each other, it will just make it all the easier for President Obama & he is going to demolish Mittens during the election anyway.
Candy - The person in Santorum's life who needs an intervention is his poor wife - god she's been pregnant for eight years - is this her punishment for living with an abortionist - 40 years older?
Did anyone notice Rick's brother Dan and his sister are in hiding?
Rick comes from a family of five - mother, father - and two syblings - and stuff the blue collar garbage both his father and mother were professionals
Plus this little boy holds three degrees MBA, College and JD - and he doesn't want kids to go to college
I will end with this - did anyone happen to notice how many Ricks we have - and they are all Dicks?
Barbara - keep posting the truth!!! I hope enough of us that had this nut foisted on us as Senator can keep getting the word out there about this guy. Personally, I think he's gay anyway and fighting it with "religion".
Christianity believes in God and Devils - him talking about it in a Catholic setting is quite normal.
Alan Colmes made a similar henious assertion and was inundated with email from all sides - so he appollogized. A lot of families who lose baby's do this rather than pay for an expensive funeral or have hospitals "dispose" of them in a manner they deem appropriate. Maybe you never read an article where medical wastes wash up on our shores from time-time?
The position of president of the United States is most importantly secular. Every president has affirmed the vow to keep it as such. It is easy to see why each of these candidates would attack him separately for different reasons. He is a threat to Romneys front runner status. He is a threat to Ron Pauls very libertarian views that a Christian nation would be complete wrong to him. Santorum has used his religion, social issues to the point that its just smoke and mirrors to his horrendous economic plan that would essentially come down to spending more money on defense and slashing the taxes to the wealthy drastically. What that equals is a much larger deficit.
DB-the problem with your statement is, that only 31% of America identifies themselves as Catholic, when he is speaking he isn't speaking to the majority of America. The secular nature of the position is so that religion does not rule law or policy, that prevents any one religion from infringing on others rights to worship how they please. Its not about satan, its simply about a fundamental tenant to our constitution, freedom of religion.
You didn't hear it from me, Barbara, but rumor has it that the doctor she lived with was the same obstetrician who delivered her.
Better lock that closet door, Ricky. The skeletons want out.
Santorum is the Perfect Republican; The clear headed investigative prowess of McCarthy, the Peace Loving Empathy of Goldwater and the Solid Self-Assurance of Nixon! In other words, a Peerless Wacko-Job of the Finest Order!!!!
Still posting this ridiculous conspiracy theory? What the hell is wrong with our media?
Really. Ron Paul has never directly attacked Romney he has consistently attacked the conservatives. Romney has never directly attacked Ron Paul. Ron Paul has never run a commercial against Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney and Ron Paul have called each other "friends" since 2008.
Ron Paul has not set one foot in Michigan, yet he is running add attack adds against only Rick Santorum.
What is wrong with the media is they are not pursuing this possibility.
Could people pursue the possibility that they both have separate and very real reasons to attack the policy of Santorum?
Romney isn't in the habit of going after anyone but the people who are a direct threat, you have seen this consistently through the campaign. Ron Paul has never been a real threat. Ron Paul may very well see Romney as the best candidate besides himself. He is the only one that has kept his religion out of it, although he has pandered. Ron Paul is a libertarian, he isn't going to want anything but a secular president that knows how to keep his religion out of his politics.
If you people like to speculate about Dr Paul and Mitts have a conspiriacy of friends....
Check this out... (two days ago)
Ron Paul: Absolutely "No Deal" with Romney
Like I said two days ago, Santorum is in front, he hits the leader.
He's never hit Mitts.....
Ron Paul - Three of a Kind
Jan 12th All three
Ron Paul Ad - Consistent
Oct '11 Hits them all again,
Take the speculation somewhere else, all your doing is repeating MSM bull@!$%#!
Must see video.
Armed Chinese Troops IN Texas
It's pretty clear that Romney needs Ron Paul to assist in stopping Santorum. Everybody could see that clearly the other night during the debate. I think if Santorum keeps on message with this, it could help him in the primaries.
And to that woman who said Santorum is for families, I disagree with this statement. If Santorum is truly for families, then he would butt out of families and decisions they must make which is best for them.
He really needs to mind his own business. Women are strong and they are smart and don't need this bible thumping Christian dictating to them. Or lying. He's now going after educations. How does this reflect in his so-called standing up for families? It doesn't.
He is a very closed minded individual who would not do well on an international stage. No one wants to hear his pre-enlightenment views; it's depressing. There is a whole world out there and children should be taught to experience it all. And the place to start is of course with an education. And travel. Open minds is what we strive for in our growing adults. Which is exactly what Santorum does not want. That folks is not leadership.
And mothers, grandmothers, wives and daughters know this.
Considering all the dedicated Ron Paul supporters out there... the smartest thing both Romney and Paul could do it to join forces as a team... Since Romney is the establishment republican choice for president, if Romney chose Ron Paul as his running mate, that might satisfy Ron Paul and imagine the number of Ron Paul supporters voting for that ticket. It might be a whole lot harder for Obama to beat that ticket and that is probably what will happen before November.
My initial thoughts were a Romney/Santorum ticket would rally the extreme right and the moderate conservatives, and would leave the independents split between the D/Rs. Now I'm not sure how the GOP can save this race.
Pat ... agree 100% on the education attack being frightening. I went to Catholic schools until college. I did get a good education but until I was exposed to different ideas, cultures, philosophies, etc. I had no idea what I had missed. My three daughters all went to public schools and my wife and I encouraged them to think for themselves. Their ability to converse in a civil, open manner with anyone on any subject is a true source of pride to me.
Tired Old Guy, your post to me represents the best of America and how much we have to offer our children. The world knows it, the world has always known it, yet Santorum thinks this is somehow bad for our children? We have students from every country in the world studying here in America. I don't think in the end people give a **** what Santorum believes the more he speaks. He wants to go backwards, but it's never going to happen. He is overwhelmingly at odds with what America represents.
The slaves, once they were freed, wanted one thing - they wanted to learn to read and write.
Remember Jim Crow? Remember how these laws were made as a way to hold African Americans down in society?
This is what Santorum is doing. Only he wants to hold everybody down now, everybody, including white women and white children.
This is what is behind all these far right people. They want to dictate how we, Americans! - should live. Including getting rid of public schools and higher educations and health care and union workers who want nothing more than to work hard and support their families.
Too bad these far right people don't read history. It would shame them if they did. What they want to do right here in America, the United States of America sounds similar to other brutal moments throughout history where the results were - without exception - disasterous. They are blind. They are ignorant. They are stupid.
And they are not going to dictate to women or their children. It's just not going to happen.
Democracy is not what the government does. It's what the people do. (Bill Moyers show)
I'm gonna tell ya, If Dr Paul accepts the VP slot behind Mitts, I would consider him a sell out.
It would be a less than honest thing to do after all the positions he claims to support. Because Dr Paul himself has exposed Mitts for what he really is.
IF Dr Paul signs on with Mitts he would lose my support and many others support.
I agree with egilman. Paul would lose my support also. So keep on dreamin about paul supporters switching to Romney if Paul accepts th VP slot.
My God if we had Romney and Paul where would the consistency be in Government if anything happened to Romney - there would be turmoil. As to Santorum he has now proved that he, as well as other things, is a cry baby.
What for stating fact, judging from the comments here? Dont let your hatred for the man blind you. While Obama keeps whining about the repubs, yet you dont seem to mind..
I too agree with Egilman, and not supporting Dr. Paul would be one of the hardest things I'd ever do. Now if it were switched to Romney being VP I would still consider it.
I apologise for repeating a comment that I made a while ago but it is still valid. Is this the best group of Presidential choices that the right wing of the Republican party can offer up for serious consideration ? I have never been impressed by this latter day Rep ulsive party,but get real!
SAM: It is apparent that you cannot read, have no idea as to how government is run (especially as to foreign affairs) and certainly cannot write a coherent sentence.
1SGFitzsWife,
Not voting for Dr Paul would hurt a lot, but principles over personalities.
To those who claim that Dr Paul is only in this to sway the platform or debate, think again. he is using a stratgey that was laid out by the Founding Fathers to get elected even if there is a corrupt section in politics that are trying to steal an election. The last person that tried it was Teddy Roosevelt, and he failed, that clearly lays out the odds. But so far it looks like he is doing it....
I agree with you here, A Paul/Romney ticket would be ok, as long as Dr Paul covers his ass so Mitt's doesn't have to assume the presidency after a short time.
Democracy is not what the government does. It's what the people do. (Bill Moyers show)
So true, Pat.
Too many people fail to educate themselves about the issues and the candidates and instead base their decisions on negative and scurrilous campaign ads and political propaganda.
A democracy won't work unless the citizens participate. Apathy is a problem here.
as Mr. Santorum always been a whiner and a zealot? Between the education crazies, isolationist tendencies, insecurity on the sexual front..stripping womens rights and the religious zealot..The GOP has a problem..
No need to gang up he is a train wreck! With mittens coming in as the dork..what have they got!
EGILMAN: The best I can say is you're bizarre.
Joe Rogan - The American War Machine
The GOP in general is one big mistake - sorry republicans, my opinion. Why do they insist on doing things that totally infuriate the left? I understand politics, but flaming politics isn't good for anyone.
The biggest mistake the GOP made was making the announcement that they wanted Obama to be a one term president and would work solely towards those ends. What idiots they are for even coming out with that statement! Don't they realize by saying such a thing in the face of everyone that actually likes Obama how much damage that would cause to their party? Sometimes I wonder if the GOP needs lessons in communication... chalk that... effective communications.
That one statement set the tone in Washington and formulated such negative opinions of the GOP that they, in fact, became ineffective themselves. It's almost like they never had a plan of attack and ran with poles in hands towards the White House to attack Obama all the while missing the machine guns pointed directly at them. That one point in history marked the GOP for total lack of credibility.
If the GOP were smart, they would learn to keep their mouths shut about their intentions. They could have all agreed to work towards making Obama a one term president, but DON'T MAKE THE FRIGGEN ANNOUNCEMENT! My gosh.. what morons they are. If you want to make the sitting president a one termer, do it silently. Resist with cause... and show the public how the president's policy's aren't working... That way when it comes to public opinion, the opinion might have some favorable results...
This band of establishment republicans have their britches too tight and their mouths too loose. I can totally understand why the left has zero tolerance and zero respect for them.
BrianB ... "This band of establishment republicans have their britches too tight and their mouths too loose" ... don't know that I've ever heard a more apt description. Sad, but apt.
Damn Brian you are getting better at this. That one made sense. It's a whole lot better establish a baseline before you start baiting the other side. Once done however in this day and age it's impossible to put the genii back in the bottle.
Tired Old Guy - It was the only way to describe the morons that think they know everything but can't find their way out of a lighted room. One thing I can't stand is arrogance... and the establishment republicans are so full of it they glow dark indigo.
Independent - I've always felt this way about establishment republicans. I may not express it enough. Consider it part of me being totally independent of any party. As far as I'm concerned, the GOP is forfeiting the election because they run their mouths too much... and say very little. Lately I've become very mistrusting of any politician... much more than ever.
Brian Good attitude to take with Politicians of any Party. Kind of like an insurance policy you always want to check the fine print. That was the good thing about the Two Party system before we sarted down this road we're on now. Nowadays instead of checking each other for lies both inadvertent and deliberate they just make up a bigger one and swear it's the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Oh, and Brian ... best of luck with the job search.
Brianb - I may not have fully agreed with some of your other stuff but boy you hit square on the head on this one.
The problem is plain and simple for the GOP, they don't have a strong message or plan except to be totally in opposition to the other side (that sorta goes for both parties). It is hard for me to believe they can't find anything right about what the left has or is doing....the only plan is to get rid of Mr. Obama....and replace it with WHAT?
Boo Hoo Mitt and are against me. Them, and about 90% of the voting population..........
Paul engaged in a shadowy conspiracy and making back-room deals with the political establishment? <sniffle> Say it ain't so, Ron. Say it ain't so. <sniffle>
Nathan - Ron Paul knows he doesn't have a chance - so he's setting up his crazy son - Rand
Ron Paul has SAID on camera, that he knows he not likely to be nominated to the ticket. But that he wants to 'bend' the party platform. He is trying to move the party with his discussions. (I'm sure his followers wont believe that, but wow I'd be pissed if my favorite candidate was in it just for the attention.) In that interview, he was asked three times if he'd run as a 3rd party candidate, and finally on the third time....he said that wasn't his goal. He couldn't answer with a simple 'No'.
I agree Barbara...he's not electable, and he's paving the road for the militant and defiant Rand Paul.
I expect this "everyone is out to get me!" paranoia from Ron Paul and his supporters -- they base their whole support on this manufactured persecution complex -- but I never would have guessed Santorum would be driven to such insanity.
HAHAHA! what a baby!
Oh, here we go with the persecuted christian crap. I wondered how long it would take one of em to start that.
Santorum is a big government, spent thrift, lying, xenophobic, authoritarian, back room dealing, war-loving neocon. He supports freedom only as long as it's limited to behavior sanctioned by his church, and thinks that government should be used to impose his moral and social views onto the people. Ron Paul doesn't need to make a deal with anyone to point out the myriad faults with Mr. Santorum's record and his character that make him unsuitable and unelectable for public office.
AMEN.
Amen to your amen....people need to wake up about this guy. He is an enemy to women. I was horrified to see some woman on NBC news yesterday morning talking about how women and families will support him. What??? This guy lied about a deal with Senator Spector.
Note to Santorum:
You are delusional.
They're "ganging up on you" eh Richard? Perhaps if you'd wear a tin foil hat the evil twins telepathic rays could not affect your judgment and make you spout all your dark ages claptrap.
If he thinks Romney and Paul are hard on him wait until he runs into a bunch of women that don't like him telling them what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. I'd like to see that. November is going to be a joke. This doesn't mean I'll vote for Obama, he's got to do something about his immigration policy to get my vote and I don't mean amnesty either.
Your vote is based on immigration issues lol? Under Obama there have been more people sent back to Mexico and more border agents deployed than under the Bush Administration. Obama has proposed a reasonable immigration plan, but you know Congress won't touch the immigration issue, this is a red herring. You better look at where the economy was at the end of Bush's term, and what Bin Laden was up to then, and how things are doing now. Do you really want to put a stop to the steady economic recovery we are experiencing?
The Obama administration has increased the number of Border Patrol Agents, stepped up investigations of companies that hire illegals, and has deported more illegals in 3 year than the Bush Jr. administration has done in 8.
Republican lying machine has made up quite a few things on Obama, and I am guessing at some point he will start fighting back more on them.
Going around apologizing to the world when he first took office-That never happened, look at fact checkers. In many ways he has had a harder stand that Bush ever had, take Pakistan with Bin Laden. He never gave them a choice, he told them when he found him, he would go in and take him and he did. Notifying them would have yielded Bin Laden tipped off. The hardest sanctions on Iran in the history of the nation, and many other examples.
The keystone pipeline-is being held up by one republican governor who is letting the republicans use it as a lie. Obama and all the other governors have signed off on it.
Immigration-Obama increased border agents and has deported more than Bush did.
Economy-An american president does not set gas prices, not even close. Conflict in the middle east has effected it, war would make the situation worse. Obama's policys have not contributed to the deficit, the market crash was so huge that revenues dropped dramatically and he is paying for the Bush administration. Not even Mittens claims the economy is in worse shape, he just thinks he could have fixed it faster-not according to economists I have read.
Birther-racist rant that never had evidence to support it, its playing on peoples fears, much like McCarthy did.
Religion-there is no evidence to support that Obama is or was ever a Muslim and its not a birth right, one has to choose it (according to Muslims who contrary to popular belief do not claim him)
We can keep going on about the lies, but in the end if you look at facts they simply do not support the republicans claims. Coupled with the house republicans completely bumbled performance, they are getting desperate and this social issue track is a huge mistake, its turning off independents more.
I don't agree with all of Obama's policies including Obamacare but I will say that, I will take that over war any day and I will not tolerate the campaigns of pure lies to cover that they don't have answers. Romney comes the closest.
I don't care what religion a politician is, It should not be involved in my government. If they start invoking there beliefs then I will voice my disdain. For all the Obama supporters out there, why did the only thing this country got out of the recent visit with the future leader of China's visit was the ability to send more movies to China? Back to the story, I do not think Mitten's platform and Paul's platform are quite the same. As far as these kind of statements go, it really means nothing, the only thing that matters is what a canidate tells me how the will guide our policies to enable private sector job development. Taxes and the economy will follow employment.
They could be coordinatin'--or they could both think you're a lunatic. They are not a l o n e .......
“My son’s a first-time voter. He’s looking forward to voting for you.” Asked why she and her son are supporting Santorum, the woman told NBC News that her family lives by biblical principles. “I think he’s the best candidate out there right now and for the strong values that we uphold in our household.
"No aspirin in our cupboard, no siree--just ask my son."
Whaaaaaaaaa! Baby Cry, Baby Cry! "They're ganging up on me." Santorum sounds like a sissy!
Seintorum: Romney and Paul in 'coordination' against me
All it proves is they're both patriots.
Santorum: Romney and Paul in 'coordination' against me
"Now don't....be....sad--
'Cause 2 out of 3 ain't bad."
Meatloaf
Technically speaking.....it's more like four out of 4, against Santorum. And four out of 4 against Romney, etc. They're all shooting themselves in the foot, every other debate or campaign stop. But I get what your saying...liked the song too.
DUH!!!! You just figured it out? The GOP want Romney becaue he'll do what BIG MONEY TELLL'S him to do. I'm sure you would do the very same thing except for the fact.
You just came off like a WHINER!!!!
Perfectly stated!
What Santorum don't know. Supporting the KKK tea party, is what's hurting him. It's not Romney, Paul or President Obama. Women in general wants female rights. Not for someone like Santorum to take them rights away.
Well, of course they are coordinating against you. They are your competitors. Deal with it and move on.