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DETROIT, MI - FEBRUARY 24: Members of the Detroit Economic club gather to hear a speech by Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. (Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images)
DETROIT -- Days after debuting a souped-up economic plan calling for across-the-board tax cuts, Mitt Romney expanded on his vision here today in a speech at a largely empty football stadium.
Before some 1,200 members and guests of the Detroit Economic Club seated between the end zone and 30-yard line at Detroit's Ford Field, Romney described plans to eliminate subsidies to Amtrak and Planned Parenthood, as well as send programs like Medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies back to the states.
Romney also said his plans for reforming Medicare -- including offering supports for private options instead of the traditional single-payer system -- would begin in 2022, and that eligibility requirements would rise one month each year, and be indexed to longevity.
Romney's speech -- a mix of a few new details on the plan he rolled out Wednesday, stump speech staples, and anecdotes reflecting his love of his home state -- was originally intended to be given in a hotel ballroom. But when tickets sold out in less than an hour, a larger venue was needed.
The cavernous, 65,000 seat Ford Field was selected by the Economic Club, but couldn't possibly be filled. The result: tens of thousands of empty seats and a space so large it swallowed applause altogether.
The candidate joked about the venue at the beginning of his remarks.
"I guess we had a hard time finding a large enough place to meet and this ... certainly is," he said.
Romney also undercut his economic message by fumbling an attempt to appeal to Michiganders with a bit of personal detail about his love of cars. He revealed that his wife owns a "couple" of pricey Cadillacs SRX's -- a comment that could give his rivals and Democrats ammunition to portray the multi-millionaire Romney as being out of touch.
"It just feels good, being back in Michigan. You know the trees are the right height, the streets are just right. I like the fact that most of the cars I see are Detroit made automobiles. I drive a Mustang and a Chevy pickup truck. Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs, actually. And I used to have a Dodge truck, so I used to have all three covered," he said.
*** UPDATE *** Regarding the optics of Romney giving a speech to a largely empty stadium, a Romney official gave this response to NBC's Peter Alexander:
"Beth Chappell -CEO of Detroit Economic Club just now spoke with ABC and told them that the campaign had nothing to do with venue choice...they typically use the atrium at Ford Field as a venue for their events, but due to the size of the crowd there were security concerns with the atrium so they moved it to the field. Once they moved the campaign worked on logistics but the campaign had nothing to do with this."
The president of the Detroit Economic Club also responded:
"I just heard that there is some confusion in the media regarding the selection of today's venue. That is very disappointing after such a terrific meeting. As I said in my remarks today, we sold out the previous venue in 90 minutes and were delighted that Ford Field was available and could accommodate the DEC. Further, we thought it a wonderful Detroit landmark to host this nationally broadcast meeting."
"The original plan was to host the Romney meeting in the atrium, which is where we host DEC meetings when at Ford Field. During our walk through with the security team there were further issues raised due to the size of the crowd so we moved the event to the field. Had we followed our normal plan in the atrium, the football field would not have been visible - and the room would have been packed."
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Heck, all he needed was a good sized VFW hall.
Wayne,
Nearly every High School across the country has a larger turnout at every pep rally.
a high school auditorium would have been way bigger than he needed. That stadium must have looked like the Marlins' ballpark usually does. A fan here and there.
I am reminded of Neil Young singing "helpless, helpless ..." but all I hear is "hopeless, hopeless ..."
I wonder who thought it was a good idea to give a speech there?
The 'visual' is falling down on the floor laughing funny!
I'm happy for Ann & her TWO Cadillacs though... lol
Wayne-1656909
much like the Expos in their final years up here in Montreal.
I do too. Baseball is the only sport with a ball I spend any time watching. A nice city, Montreal. My grandfather's brother spent most of his life there.
LOL! That had to be about as awkward as the silence after the tree remark. Hope they took a panoramic picture showing all those empty seats. Somebody really dropped the ball. Just saying...... still laughing!
Okay, here's one good picture!
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/romney-speaks-to-an-empty-stadium/253578/
Romney's economic vision is about as empty as his stadium. How about some good fixes for all classes, Romney, not just he wealthy.
I just looked at the picture. They must have been Baptists sitting up front like that. We Episcopalians would have been way up in the cheap seats.
Priceless JoAnne - they need the Hubble telescope to zoom in on the crowd.
Let's see--Gingrich, 3 wives. Romney, 2 Cadillacs for wifey, Ricky, you got some 'splainin' to do about that voting record. Taking one for Bush isn't like taking one for the Gipper. Ron Paul, need I say more? Laff a minit these guys. Keep 'em talkin'.
Funny thing. . .
Obama speaks to about a thousand people in a 150,000 square foot football practice arena- First Read does not report on how few people were rattling around.
Romney's team originally had this speech planned for a nearby Westin- but the event was oversold by so many, they had to move it, and this was the only venue available on short notice.
Funny people, these "professional journalists". Pretty selective in their reporting.
Yesterday, Obama proclaimed that the answer to high gas prices was seaweed- never mentioned his buddy, T.J. Gaulthier, another big dollar Obama donor cum snake oil salesman, ready, willing, and able to rake in taxpayer borrowed bucks on the latest crackpot alternative energy scheme.
Never reported on this, either
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/feb/22/barack-obama/president-barack-obama-says-american-manufacturers/
With Obama, you never know if it's a lie, or just the latest "Intercontinental railroad" proof of his absolute ignorance about absolutely everything.
For team Obama, it doesn't matter- it all comes under the heading of "just ignore the bad stuff".
No jo,
You must be a laugh a minute at parties.
No Joe wants to talk corruption but ignores the Bush Administration actions – here is just one:
In 2002 Halliburton was awarded a 7 billion dollar contract for which only Halliburton was allowed to bid. The very same company headed from 1995 to 2000 by Dick Cheney.
Add it up No Joe, how many BILLIONS has the Obama Administration passed out to his cronies?
BTW - Vice President Dick Cheney’s stock options in Halliburton rose from $241,498 in 2004 to over $8 million in 2005, an increase of more than 3,000 percent, as Halliburton continues to rake in billions of dollars from no-bid/no-audit government contracts.
JoAnne -- Thanks for making me laugh even harder! LOL GREAT PIC!
Could YOU imagine having to sit through a holiday dinner with the bitter old broad?
While feeding her face, the NJ nut job, stabs at the turkey & declares 'I HATE Obama'
Wipes crumbs off her face, & declares, 'I still HATE Obama'
Stabs another slab of turkeyand yells, 'it's ALL Obama's FAULT'!
With pieces of turkey flying out of her mouth, 'Obama is shelved in 2012'
Asks someone to pass her the cranberry sauce while howling, I HATE Obama...
Good times... indeed!
Quite a few, Dennis
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/11/13/how-obama-s-alternative-energy-programs-became-green-graft.html
That's just DoE- I posted links to the funds Gaulthier got- from Treasury and Defense.
Given that 80% of the DoE stimulus funds went to big dollar Obama donors, we can safely assume that it turns out the same percentage from other department's share of the booty went out the door the same way.
By the way- Halliburton actually delivered the goods they were paid for, unlike Obama's cronies, who took our money and went bankrupt, used it to keep foreign businesses afloat, or simply stuffed their pockets with it.
Nice try, and thank you for the opportunity to provide the contrast.
Wayne, good one, Baptists do like to sit up front.
No Joe, Halliburton also provided shoddy work that electrocuted American military personnel.
Okay,
At No Jo's party I would be telling her that I needed to mingle with some old friends at this point. It's Friday Jo! Let your hair down!
Jody,
Episcopalians always leave the first three pews open and we fill the church from the back.
... and now NoJoy wants us to believe the great conservative writer and foreign policy adviser to Sarah Palin, the one and only Peter Schwiezer ... the fella that pointed out to her where Russia was.
Funny thing - I popped over to Faux News, and as usual, I had to pull out a spoon to wade through their G.A.G.G. platform.
God - Obama and the Christian Vote
Abortion - 7 states sue to block contraception mandate
Guns - Gun ownership 'very difficult' despite Supreme Court rulings
Gays - Gingrich: At least states are using bills, not judges, to legalize same-sex marriage
The only problem with that is, she doesn't have any friends!
Which is one of the reasons NJNB turns green everytime she thinks about the 'Treehouse Gang'!
NJNB tends to burn all of her bridges...
No Joe,
I gave you ONE example that paid off big for VP Cheney that cost tax payers $7 billion and our country received no real benefit – yes our service men did but we shouldn’t have been there no way, no how.
But you cannot respond to how much President Obama provided to his bundlers – give us a dollar amount. When you prove that it exceeds 7 billion dollars I will post some more of Bush’s give away to his friends and donors.
A portion of the stimulus was tax cuts for the middle class--those big donors were on the short end of that stick. A portion of the money was for transportation and construction jobs determined by the states and the DoT. A lot of the stimulus money went to the states to plug the hole blown in their budgets when the economy collapsed; those state governors then decided how best to use the money--states are hardly Obama big donor contributors. Lots of GOP governors said they would not take the money then quietly took and ran with it. Remember all those Governors saying they didn't want the money then standing with giant-sized checks touting how many jobs would be created. Jersey Shores picks and chooses only those things that suit her narrative.
The echo sound from the stadium must be deafening.........empty plan brings about empty stadium.
I don't think NJNB has met a lie she doesn't love nor a fact she can handle...
Hey where's WCA? Picking his kids up from school? Seeing as how the turn out for Mitt was effected by the "severe" weather we had here today...
[It's Friday Jo! Let your hair down!]
...as NoJo runs off to unbraid her arm hair...but she's having trouble because she's afraid to let the aspirin slip from between her knees.
Funny thing ..
There is always this interesting article of yet another republican politician suggesting killing democratic politicians is the way to get legislation passed through Congress.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/oklahoma-congressman-sullivan-apologizes-for-suggesting-killing-a-couple-of-us-senators/2012/02/24/gIQAVjvxXR_story.html
RedDev,
I wonder when the calls for his resignation from his colleagues will start...hopefully the Secret Service and FBI will pay this idiot a visit.
...simply disgusting.
[NJNB tends to burn all of her bridges...]
At both ends...while she is still on them.
...conservatism truly is a mental disorder...
[Hey where's WCA? Picking his kids up from school? Seeing as how the turn out for Mitt was effected by the "severe" weather we had here today...]
Devie,
Was that the WhiteCollarCriminals excuse as to why Mittens couldn't muster up more than 1200 morons?
LoLoL
You naled it Mickey! WCA disappeared shortly after Feisty and I pointed out what the weather in the Detroit area was really like. He just couldn't admit that the crowd was small because of Romney's lame a$$!
I'm thinking a typical middle school gymnasium, and even that would be a little large.
I love how at all of these GOP events, you get 100 people to a rally and suddenly at 101 you have "a crowd of enthusiastic supporters."
Nice to see the media reporting what is actually happening.
All rhetoric aside, I am amazed that any woman could actually bring herself to vote for a Republican today. The GOP has shown itself to be a party that truly hates women; hates that we are self-sufficient; hates that we are intelligent; hates that we can vote; hates that we actually believe we know what is best for ourselves; hates that they don't have control of us. Yet I look at the women on this site who defend these ignorant blowhards and wonder why these women's self-esteem is so low that they continue to support a party that has absolutely no respect for them? It makes no sense. And, before you go off ranting and raving about media bias, no media has forced these men to make the ridiculous statements they have. No media has forced them to make their assaults on women's rights. No media has forced them to debase women with every speech and every bill they try to enact. These men truly dislike women and want them to be subservient. Why would any sane women support any one of them?
Devie, I answered you on that thread. Not going to bother with your ignorance here.
Did any of you bother to read why it was held at and on Ford Field? Doubt it since that would make all your idiot comments uselss to you all.
Seems NJNB struck a nerve. About a dozen posts calling her names, but not a single one refuting her facts.
You guys hate when the facts are tossed at you.
WCA - you rarely quote facts. Those are foreign to Republicans.
Oh and since we're talking GOP - explain to me why Romney keeps his money in offshore accounts? I understand the tax implications but you would think that any intelligent person would know that really looks bad for someone who is running to be President of this great country.
Romney had a small crowd. So what!? Yesterday, Obama had the entire country as his audience for his "energy" speech. Unfortuneately, nobody watching paid any attention to him, because he was shoveling the same old tired load of uninformed, technically ridiculous crap about "evil" oil and the miracle of "alternative" sources which are pitifully inadequate to meet our current energy needs. Love that $5.00 gas, Barry!
spider - again with the price of gasoline garbage. As anyone with a brain knows, Obama does not determine the price of gas.
Yesterday, Obama proclaimed that the answer to high gas prices was seaweed
No Joe, he didn't "proclaim" anything of the sort. That said, seaweed and alge show great promise as alternative biofuels according to the research to date. Whatever you do, don't dare look forward though, make sure you tuck your head down in the sand and cry for the good old days, mkay?
What $5 gas, Spider?
This "empty stadium" kinda sounds like a cheap shot by the media. Move along, no story here.
seeking sanity
He is supressing what can be done as far as pipelines, off shore. The huge increase was private lands which were opened by private owners who were hurting in the down economy.
The big reason for speculation is Iran flexings its muscles.
Hilarious!
Obama / Biden 2012
USA Today Dec 16, 2011: The U.S. exported more oil-based fuels than it imported in the first nine months of this year, making it likely that 2011 will be the first time since 1949 that the nation is a net exporter of such goods, primarily diesel.
"It's dramatic. It's transformative," Edward Morse, a former senior U.S. energy official who now directs global commodities research at Citigroup, says of the historic shifts. He says the U.S. is importing a smaller share — 49% in 2010, down from 60% in 2005 — of the oil it uses, adding: "We're moving toward energy independence."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-16/us-oil-boom/52053236/1
Business Times Feb 24, 2012: Gasoline demand plummeted -- down 5.4 percent, or about 500,000 barrels per day, from a year ago, marking the 24th week in a row that year-on-year demand is lower.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/304040/20120224/rise-u-s-gasoline-prices-wall-street.htm
Production is up and demand is down so all the noise from the Right is simply bull. The real problems come from problems in the Middle East, refinery production problems (shut downs) and speculators.
I had planned on attending Romney's speech at Ford Field but I thought I would watch the grass on my lawn grow instead. The latter was much more exciting. LOL
That would require a Republican Candidate in a location dedicated to "Public Education" where "Govmn't Employees" work. Not going to happen.
I thought I saw a tumbleweed blow by....
I see the teleprompter is all set up and ready to go... :)
all the Tea Party voters turned out .. and a great time was had by all
Go ahead and laugh fools. The speech was mid-day. Its probably alien to most of you Obama sycophants but Republicans work during the day so they can feed their families while members of the libby gimme crowd can stay home because they collect guvment handouts. Unions use worker dues to bus unemployed mobs in to "support" Obama while republicans have to take a vacation day and pay for their own gas and parking fees. In the end its not the crowds that matter, only the message. "Hope and Change" and "yes we can" aint gonna do it this year.
I'm calling BS on the claim that they sold out in 90 minutes. I've done many events that have sold out in minutes, and I can assure you that if the demand was that high, they could have filled thousands of seats relatively easily. At least enough to have placed the stage towards one of the endzones, filling a part of the stands. The promoter of this event either seriously screwed up, or they are lying about the demand. My vote is on the spin machine.
So, WhiteCollarCriminal...how's that "severe" weather in Michigan?
Timothy: If only the world were as simple as you think it is. Pretty sure unemployment isn't limited to "libbys." Pretty sure layoffs aren't limited to "libbys." Pretty sure unions do more than bus in people. Pretty sure Republican policies have had their fair share in the problems our country faces. And pretty sure I could go on and on.
Well Jack, the dems were unfettered in their running of the federal government from January 2009 to January 2011. They passed any law they wanted during that time. They still control the senate and Obama is in the White house, at least when he's not out padding his campaign fund by shaking down moneymen representing the Solyndras of the world. The price of gas is going up, the price of food is going up, the debt is going up over a trillion dollars a year and the unemployment rate is unconsionably high. Whats the Obama plan Jack?
" ... You guys hate when the facts are tossed at you. .... "
Facts? A Republican/Conservative using facts? Where? How did I miss that?
Oh, never mind. Those "facts" came from Fox News, or from Rush, Bill or Glen. Pay attention all of you people on the Right. Anything from any of those sources are not "fact", nor are they the "truth". No matter how hard you wish them to be, they never will.
So, you were saying?
" ... "Hope and Change" and "yes we can" aint gonna do it this year. ... "
Neither will "Mitt", "Rick" or "Newt". Or even "Ron". In fact, not only will those not work THIS year. But they will never work.
Oh and that would be ...
"are not going to" not "aint gonna".
I'd never make a good Republican/Conservative. I'm not ignorant enough.
I dislike romney, but this headline is misleading. I don't think obama could have filled that stadium.
Strange, seems liberal MSNBC really likes santorum...
" ... the dems were unfettered in their running of the federal government from January 2009 to January 2011. ... "
Huh. Imagine that. "Unfettered". I would never guessed. Just to make sure that I understand what you are saying ...
The Republicans in the Senate, in the two years you referenced, filibustered in excess of 250 times. More times then many, many other sessions of the Senate combined. "Unfettered", huh.
To this day there are many, many positions in Government still unfilled. Because Republicans have put holds on them, and have given no reason for doing so. "Unfettered", huh.
The Senate and the President have not proposed a budget in over 1000 days. That would be the responsibility of the House, as prescribed in the Constitution. You remember the Constitution don't you? And what has the House proposed? Nothing that any reasonable, responsible adult would even consider. "Unfettered", huh.
So my guess would be that you and I have completely different ideas of what "unfettered" means.
Mine would be something like ....
From: thefreedictonary.com
un·fet·tered, un·fet·ter·ing, un·fet·ters:
To set free or keep free from restrictions or bonds.
adj: released from physical or mental bonds; unrestrained
And that is not what "the dems" had/were for those years.
"unfettered". Yea, right.
Ignorance must be a wonderful thing. So many Republicans/Conservatives practice it. Is it part of you Religion?
The only thing more empty than that stadium is Romney's suit.
" ... I don't think obama could have filled that stadium. ... "
Huh. My memory must be failing me. But if I recall correctly, unlike ANY of the Republicans, The President did fill a stadium when he gave a speech. IF I remember correctly, the FIRST speech that he gave as the Democrats Nominee, it was all but had standing room only.
So, unless I am totally wrong. Not only "could" Obama fill that stadium, but he DID fill one. So are Republicans/Conservatives that ignorant? Or is lying part of the Republican/Conservative culture?
Just asking.
Timothy: Your original assertion was that Romney's event was sparsely attended because, as a Republican audience, the rest of them "must be at work," and that only Democrats are sitting at home collecting unemployment checks. This is, of course, ignoring the fact that candidates routinely have successful daytime campaign events. Good luck with that logic.
Now you are basing Obama's Presidency on the price of gas, the debt, and the price of food. Let's see: oil is a global commodity based largely on global markets and global speculation, the price of food has gone up globally due to supply shortages and higher energy costs, and I'm pretty sure the national debt is the responsibility of Congress. If Republicans would compromise on corporate tax loopholes and tax rates for the top 1%, we'd be in better shape. Otherwise, please enlighten the world on how you can balance the budget without increased tax revenue, or severe cuts in defense and medicare spending? Its a choice of those two, yet Congressional Republicans won't budge on either.
Leave it to the typical lib media to spin it. The fact is that he draws more than Obama does when Obama doesn't have the union thugs paying for their members to attend. Heck, even when they do pay, this is larger than Obama can draw a lot of the times.
So the reason Mitt draws such small crowds is the fault of the Unions? Or the "lib media"'s fault?
Would you mind explaining that to me? Also why you are at it, please explain why everything wrong with the Republicans/Conservatives is always someone else's fault? And not their own?
And here I thought that they were the party of "personable responsibility". But maybe that means the same as the party of "family values". You know, like the "family values" that Newt has? Or the "family values" that Bachman has? Values with a Government check attached to them? Or the "abstinence only" values of the Palin family?
"union thugs". Come on you can do better then that. Oh, that's right. You can't. Sorry.
What? They don't have little league ballparks in Detroit?
I guess they are still pissed that he would have let the Auto makers go belly up ...........
I apologize, but I'm having a great deal of difficulty wrapping my mind around "Romney" and "economic vision" in the same sentence...
there is a universal theme among Republican candidates? Standing there in their $1,000.00 suits, $500.00 shoes and $10,000.00 wrist watches, don't they make Jesus' message of humility, frugality and compassion seem wasted on the entire Party who wants to put the burden of age, sickness and poverty onto the backs of the people who need help the most? Typical Christians but ThanK God the base of their Party is dying off and there are enough Good Samaritans on the road to keep these hypocrites and their followers out of power and hopefully Heaven. God has opened the Book of Life and is recording every word, deed, thought and vote that you Christians are making. Think about it as you head to the voting booth. As Moses told Pharoah whose heart was hardened against God because of his greed and power lust, "Let My People Go!" He is watching you 24/7 and knows your heart. You had best vote for the Democrats or risk eternal damnation and burning in a lake of fire from which there is no reprieve!
"Republicans work during the day" That's a really funny comment.....Corporations are people...ahahahahaha,
Stop it please..ahahahhaha you're killing me....really....stop it! "Republicans have to use a vacation day"....that's so funny...ahahahahaha...they have vacation days, sick days, 8 hr days, health benefits...because of unions....they have higher pay because of unions...and they want to kill unions....ahahahaha, you're killing me.....stop it....ahahaha...ya really...you're killing yourself.
There once was a real Republican President. His name was Dwight D.Eisenhower. He had a top tax rate on Millionaires and Billionaires of 91% of income. When his fellow republicans in congress begged him to lower taxes on the wealthy, he responded ... "We cannot afford to reduce taxes and reduce income until we have in sight a program of expenditure that shows that the factors of income and outgo will be balanced."
And that's not all. Eisenhower, in a letter to his brother Edgar stated ... “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things…Their number is negligible and they are stupid.
What is it that lends tea bagging republican extremists in governments brains to the thought that well enough is simply not good enough to be left alone. Is it the word "left" in the saying? Hmm. An empty stadium says it all. An overblown self aggrandizing sense of ones self allows one to assume he is important and wanted enough to actually pack a stadium that in reality he cannot pack. The back side nor the front of the seating seemed to be packed at all.
The GOP is still flailing about because I say so period. [.].. But what is more is that they are left to there own device. As they were under the Bush man J.R. and they do little more then hobble a country and destroy a surplus. Remember that good old surplus we once had. Once upon a time not long ago? The country would be so much further ahead of the world had it not been raped for tax cuts two lied about wars and tax cuts with tax cuts times tax cuts and no economic growth gas prices ; ]
You see we once had a surplus and the country today would have been a bastion for being ABLE to pay your education loans and starting a business and working and loving and tolerating. But instead you have a 21st century on the BRINK of moving backwards due to an incompetent GOP that could not even swear themselves in properly. Stupid? I think its clear you can answer that for yourselves. ; ] God made time move forward and man with it. We are not meant to revert especially when our competition move forward. The GOP wishes to hold us back in a backward state of thinking and being because they are afraid. THEY are those who fear, are afraid that YOU are not as afraid as they are. They rape YOUR rights so that they may feel safe. They are a same and a mochary to THIS OUR country. Let us stand up and wipe there politics fro mthe face of this earth today. JOIN me my friends . ;]
Cheers
Sha na na, hey hey, GOODBYE!
Romney was originally scheduled to speak at an indoor venue, but the space was not large enough to accommodate everyone, so they moved it, on short notice, to a stadium. Plus, we had heavy snow storms coming through here yesterday, and road travel has been treacherous. Obama on a balmy spring day couldn't fill Ford Stadium. Matter of fact, he has sparse crowds at different times also. MSNBC your bias is showing.
Where are the Detroit area Bag Head fans when you need them?
Hahahaha...and to make matters worst..half of those there was the media (reporters and camera men).
It is not a surprise that the crowd size would be so small in Detroit. Remember that this a liberal state where government has driver out most industry with taxes. Lets not forget the ridiculous unions and the lazy members who think they are due a free ride. These items together have pushed Michigan into depression from a once great manufacturing state. It is no surprise that the crowd was small. Most of the people in Michigan can afford to take a taxi to see anyone unless they are promised free income, free medical, free something. The Libs are right, Obama would have had a much larger crowd. But then again, if I had trillions of dollars to give away you would come and see me! Obama is the devil and must be removed.
Willwoodard #1.73 Great post !
This is news?? 1200 people from the Detroit Economic club could not figure out mathematically that 1200 people do not need 65,000 seats? Let me help them: 65000-1200= 63800 extra seats. I mean who could foresee that this was a waste of dollars scheduling an event there? You mean it would have been cheaper to go to a function hall somewhere? It is astounding to me that the economy in this country is such a mess when economists can't figure the little stuff out like this...sarcasm intended.
So I take it that not even the Michigan Mormons turned out to support Mitt. That's pretty sad.
Corporate Republican supporters need to act like rats and jump ship before their party takes them down. It's time you corporate puppets started to wise up and stand up to your party for their attack on the American people, they hate everyone except their wealthy cronies. I find it hard to believe that the GOP supporters would allow themselves to look really stupid by backing their candidates who have shown their ridiculous, divisive, hateful rhetoric. How can Republicans be so blind to facts and truths, I guess they all must have went to the Bush/Cheney school for liars.
ron paul is my president
plain bob 2012...i'm the underdog troll... in this here election...break out the fiddle and boogie...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjpOzsQ9YI
Obama wins 2nd term 2012!
All the libbies accuse the republicans of being a stranger to facts yet none of them post any facts to back up their comments. I noticed none of them mentioned the fact that the stadium was a last minute decision but loved to jump on the "empty" stadium" blog. And at least one could not resist to jump on he statement that they incorrectly attribute to Sara Palin about seeing Russia from her house. That last just goes to show you how ignorant most of them are. I hope you all are happy with the collectivist government you all are wishing for.
I noticed Feisty Redhead had an in depth description of No_JO like she knew her intimately. That appears to be a favorite tactic of liberals to villainize their opponents with outright lies. If you can judge the candidates by their followers then they must be a really sorry lot.
And not only do they belittle their opponents at every chance but they censor them at every opportunity. And they go on and on about how much more tolerant they are. You want to talk about prize winning hypocrisy you can definitely find it from these left-wing conservatives.
I love how the GOPers here are making every excuse in the world for the fact that no one wanted to go see Mitt. And, to the moron who said Obama could not fill a stadium - you are clearly doing crack! Obama can and does fill every venue where he appears. And, even in Europe, there are huge crowds to hear him.
Rick, your part has no morals, no ethics, no integrity and no intelligence yet you continue to belittle Democrats and Independents who see right through the far right. Aren't you just a little embarrassed to be associated with such a group of misfits? Oh, and just for the record, Palin DID make the comment about Russia. It was during the time she said she read but couldn't remember what, remember????
Rick, the mistake Romney's staff made when booking Ford Field as a last-minute choice to stage his tiny media event was that his meager turnout was made to appear even less impressive in contrast to the cavernous stadium in which it was held. He should have backed his Cadillacs out of his garage and held his little meeting there. It was a tactical error on the part of Romney's staff and your shrill whinings simply serve to highlight your strategic error in thinking you actually know what you are talking about. As usual.
no joe- your idea of blasting the democrats and obama is to... um... point to the greatest economic expansion of our history occurring under... um... Clinton and the democrats? seriously?
Just like Romney's near vacant brain. Vacant of any fresh ideas or solutions. He repeats the same old, boring crap over and over and over. Nothing new, nothing constructive. He is an empty suit with nothing to offer. He is like an irritating boil on the ass of the Republican party.
Rick-312779, When you talk about liberals you make it sound like a bad thing. Judging from your post, you have no idea what a liberal is. Tax and spend liberals is something republicans say because they can't say the truth. The truth is, liberal ideas help everybody, public schools, parks, social security, unemployment insurance, this is just some of the things tax and spend liberals spend tax dollars on. Republicans want that money to give the rich another un-needed tax break, republicans are not telling you what they spend the money on, since they know that die-hard republican voters will not look things up on their own, they will believe anything that they tell them. That is the main reason republicans across the board are out-right lying about President Obama and everything else. Everybody uses liberal programs, even rich republicans. So Rick, how many liberal programs have you enjoyed in your lifetime? Remember, if it helps everybody a tax and spend liberal did it.
nwnative - unfortunately the Republican party has been diminished to nothing but boils. How truly sad what once was a great party has sunk so low!
looks like the pre election poll is already in.
'let 'em fail" has failed you in michigan.
You know, why do I feel like this article is going to be around here for about three weeks?
Just remember:
Barack Obama = 4.75 trillion in 3 years + 1 month of additional national debt, which now totals over 15 trillion.
George W. Bush = 4.86 trillion in 8 years of additional national debt (which now totals over 15 trillion).
But don't worry, Obama has a plan doesn't he?
People this is real.
ROMNEY 2012!!!!!!!!!
Hungrymongoose:
If you want to compare apples to apples, look at the national debt in the 1920s and 1930's. Paints a different picture when you look at Obama's numbers compared to bush's:
hungrymongoose
Romney's plan between 2012-2022 is to decrease revenues by 6 T and decrease spending by 1 T. This means 5 more T in debt. Romney needs a better plan than the standard Republican decrease all taxes. He could tackle regulations like Sarbanes Oxley designed to protect investors, but instead kicks small start-ups out of public market due to cost of entry. He could also tackle the Patriot Act which adds additional overhead to companies. Both of these are freebee ways to get the economy rolling. No Romney chooses to cut taxes .
Romney will make a fine loser in November.
No need to wait for November - Willard's already a loser, in so many many ways!
So true, Feisty!
Random: Wrong...Obama DID fill that exact stadium in Detroit in 2008---
Rick: sorry. This is the big leagues. If your guy isn't smart enough to know exactly how thousands of empty seats are going to look, let alone smart enough not to come to Detroit of all places and brag about his wife's TWO Cadillacs, perhaps he's not quite as ready for prime time as you think (this kind of tone deafness from a career politician is not as inconsequential as you'd like everyone to believe. There's actually a REASON he's having the difficulty he's having even in his own party.) On substance, he's bad enough (a whole new TRICKLE DOWN economic plan...gee, how original).
Could it be the reason nobody showed up for Romney's speech was it's the same supply side crap we've been listening to for more than 30 years? Republicans --- tax cuts for the rich DO NOT CREATE JOBS.
Oh that long Bush tax cuts that have been going on for 10 year now, sure prevented the deep recession we entered into, for sure accelerated this hugh debt we have. Tax cuts are the answer to everything! Don't you know. All the time while fighting 2 wars at +2 trillion. But you know, Rep. Paul Ryan says the big engine to the massive debt is the entitlements, so he proposes 6 trillion dollar debt reduction with guess what?? NO TAX INCREASES. Suprise, Suprise!! And, it's all Obama's fault too!!!
It's all most over Mitt.
Unfortunately, it's not over for NitMitt until November. If we get lucky Rick "less than erudite" Santorum will be out sooner, and it'll only be the rat terrier Ron Paul nipping at NitMitt's heals until the convention.
Jon - Romney and Ron have been friends since 2008. Ever notice they bend over backwards to not directly criticize the other.
Romney is hoping that Ron Paul is conservative enough to split the conservative vote three ways and that would lead to him getting the nomination.
And Jon - you are calling someone "less that erudite" who has the most education of all the Candidates of ALL Parties.
What a waste, all that education and he is still "less than erudite". Getting a degree in itself does not make one necessarily very smart. Look at Newt. He has a PhD in Modern European History and he doesn't even begin to know what Cordoba means historically.
DB
Gotta call you on that one. Jon referred to Ricky's general intelligence (encompassing social intelligence as well as intellect) and you turned it into an "degree contest". You lose.
Dickinson School is a fine prestigious Pennsylvania Law School but it is ranked number 63 by the Law School 100. Not bad but certainly not Number 1 like Harvard, Obama's alma mater. Not to mention that Mr. Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review while a student.
Rash comments like your's are the detritus that fill up the internet with misinformation which the unsuspecting and unquestioning swallow and repeat.
But LoyalTexan, DB's is gonna come back with "Rick has an MBA as well as a JD and Obama doesn't". Let's preempt and point out the Mitt has the same MBA plus JD, both from Harvard. So for schooling alone, Mitt's the winner. Probably won't help him get elected, though, his base having no respect for education.
Romney's plan (more Trickle down economics or should I say trickle UP) tax cuts for the rich, paycuts for the working class.
If you vote Republican and are not a millionaire, you are voting against your own financial interests.
Jon
Guess I gotta play the trump (not Donald) card. If a Hawaii resident is asked where he went to school, don't answer Harvard, Stanford, Yale or Columbia. That was not the question! The real question was what High School did you graduate. Punahou is always considered the top of the heap. Kamahameha is admirable, Mckinley is good, Nanakuli not so much.
Let the above picture in this article,
Be a warning sign for the Austerian, Extremist, and Obstructionist Notsy like party of NO in this country!
From the US congress to the smallest local municipality in any State of our Union.
I just saved the picture to my archive of historical pics.
LMAOL !!! Go romney 2012 Huh?
This guy( Romney) is still under the impression that his money is going to buy him the presidency of the United States of America.
I remember the cover of Time or newsweek magazine about 2 or 3 months ago, with a picture of Romney in the front cover boasting the phrase:
Do you like me now?
Let's see what the reaction of Wall Street is going to be this time.
After seeing that stadium photo, I was waiting to hear the ghost of Don Meredith singing over the loud speaker 'Turn out the lights, the party's over...'
Naaah......Mitt has a good chance to survive .........The "fix" ($$$$$) is in from groups like Bain Capital, Koch Bros. etc. etc............They like these money-making bankruptcy ideas and won't allow some digbat like Santorum or Paul get close to the final podium......Grinch.......possible but the people won't vote for this lying, smurking, philaderer and make his wife the First ______— (fill in the blank).
Usually it's the cream but in this case the slime will rise to the top.
I think posters like OBXRon are precious and always good for a laugh when they mention topics like the Koch Brothers and bankruptcy, big business and banks. The real comedy is that you liberals worship George Soros who owns The Democracy Alliance that funds media matters.org and he singlehandedly came within a few pounds of bankrupting the Bank of England just so he could make a few bucks. He destroyed the economies of some Asian countries just for a few more dollars. You people claim to be intellectuals but you act like you just fell off the turnip truck.
LoyalTexan - you didn't really, did you? Now you're wanting to compare High Schools? What total idiotcy. A person can be a mediocre student in high school and still excel in college. A person can attend a less than prestigious high school and still go on to do great things. Should we take it all the way back to pre-school? I'm sure you'll sink to that level next. Aren't you just a little embarrassed you stooped so low? Really????
Rick-312799 - the turnip truck you are still on? If you don't understand the corruption of the Koch brothers you don't understand anything at all. And, don't worry, no one will ever mistake you for an intellectual.
Rick,
Each Koch brother is worth more than George Soros and combined they are worth almost 3 times what Soros is worth.
Tell me what other wealthy individual flies politicians in for a two day meet, greet and to listen to a lecture by a member of SCOTUS like the Koch brothers did with Scalia and Conservative Congressional members and Governors.
Ummm, no they are not. And the Koch brothers have never been nailed for insider trading like Soros has.
Rick,
Forbes richest Americans for 2011:
#4 Charles Koch $25 Billion
#5 David Koch $25 Billion
#7 George Soros $22 Billion
http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/
I take that first part back. The Koch brothers each have 25 billion and Soros has 22 billion.
Which Koch brother has nearly bankrupted The Bank of England or ruined the economies. Which Koch brother is or was a hedge fund manager?
I never said I was an intellectual - it is you liberals that keep running around telling everybody how smart you are. Who are you trying to convince, yourself maybe?
George Bush leaves office at 10 trillion debt and 2 wars that were not funded and still 9 years later trying to figure a way to get out of, it doesn't take an "intellectual" liberal and conservative to see that Republicans are not the FISCALLY conservative party they claim to be.
I can't believe he repeated the "trees are the right height" line. What does that even MEAN? Anyone got a link to a picture of the trees in Michigan so I can compare them to the ones in the Pine Tree state?
If I'd said the tree height thing ONCE I'd be banging my head on the steering wheel all the way hom. If he thought that remark was brilliant, it was dumb. If he thought it was funny, he needs come comedic therapy.
Maybe he's thinking of building a log cabin so he can show everyone how to spit a mouthful of nails ... point first of course. Yeah, that would show that he's just a common man.
He also likes lakes, not just the big ones, but all the little ones. Oh, and he likes cars. He drives a Mustang. It's no wonder he can't fill a stadium, when his only likes are wood, water, and horsies with dogs tied to their tops.
Now you've got me worried......are the trees here in Pennsylvania the wrong height? Are our streets "just right", or are they too wide or too narrow? Should I think about moving?
By the way, how many hotel ballrooms can't hold 1200 people? Didn't they know before this morning how many tickets they ultimately sold and that a stadium that seats 65,000 would be embarrassingly empty? Or was that initial statement about selling out in one hour a "misstatement"?
The Tree Candidate
Why does Romney own homes in MA, CA, NH but not Michigan, where he seems to have a fondness for trees for some unexplained reason.
I've never heard him brag about trees here in MA.
He doesn't like Massachusetts trees. They're full of gypsy moth caterpillars. They're about 3 inches too tall as well.
I heard Michael Moore kind of joke about that the other night--that Michigan trees are not as big as those in MN and bigger than those in Ohio so MI has tree the right size. It's been awhile since I've driven around in Michigan but seriously, I doubt those trees are that much nicer than other states trees. At least not enough to say it twice.
It sounds like Romney has a serious case of 'wood' envy.
Sorry Jody - I know it is beneath you, so I've slapped my hand, but I had to let my inner-sinner out today.
Amy, I don't have any pictures at the moment but the small patch of woods, right next to my house, I have had to cut down over twenty dead Ash trees, to keep them from falling on my house, due to the Emerald Ash Borer killing them. Most of the wood in South Eastern Michigan have been devastated and they don't look so good. With all the dead trees it's no wonder people don't respond to his lame statements.
RedDev, I avoided the tree comment on my weekly wrap this morning for that very reason.
JoAnne---here in Western Pennsylvania we are very proud of our trees. It is very hard to keep them the right height when they grow every year but we do our best.
Seriously---we are supposed to vote for Mitt because his management skills will be good for the country and he has hired a campaign team that allows this sort of visual? What kind of management is that?
Devie, Thank you for supplying first hand information on the state of the trees. Maybe Romney is cashing in on the new Dr. Seuss movie, the Lorax. "I speak for the trees!"
Amy---according to Lou Dobbs, the Lorax movie is part of the leftist conspiracy against free enterprise or something. Along with the Muppets Movie and Sponge Bob--it is how we indoctrinate young kids.
Steeler Fan, what the hell is wrong with Dobbs...he sounds more and more like Rush Limbaugh...
Maybe he looks up to trees. Has anyone done a study comparing New Hampshire and Massachusetts trees with those of Michigan?
[I can't believe he repeated the "trees are the right height" line. What does that even MEAN?]
Because he probably wants to clearcut the state...its either that or he's got the whole "Goldilocks" concept bassackwards...
So now Mittens is trying to be a tree hugger too ? LOL, the twists, turns, backflips, and pretzel bending this guy will do to become President.
ABR 2012....
Go Ron Paul !!!!
Amy, Try www.uppermichiganssource.com a local TV 6 Station's website. You can then go to the photos people send in for gorgeous scenes including small, large lakes, and lots of trees. Our trees in the Upper Peninsula are not infected like the trees downstate are. That is why it is illegal to bring any wood over the Mackinaw Bridge for camping, etc. People here sell firewood for five bucks a bundle on the side of the highway every 20 miles or so in the summer. We also don't have a lot of sick deer like they do downstate. We also have managed to keep Lake Superior reasonably clean. My city, Marquette, uses Lake Superior water for our drinking water. That is why we get so upset when Canada dumps pollutants in the lake. We value our land, rivers, lakes, and trees more than we want to be rich here.
Please don't mention animals. You're going to refuel "Frothy" Santorum's man-on-dog thing.
no joe, when are you going to talk about YOUR Republican candidates?
Who would have ever thunk that the opposition would be the ones giving President Obama all this press.
I guess Republican obsession with President Obama may be a good thing after all.
Obama / Biden 2012
Steeler Fan and JoAnne, the trees on the south east part of PA are just fine as well. I guess Pa's got some pretty good trees - just the right hight all around
Thanks for the info, soumi. I actually grew up on Lake Ontario in New York State and I remember the battles to keep it clean. Me and Romney, we both like lakes :)
" ... Anyone got a link to a picture of the trees in Michigan so I can compare them to the ones in the Pine Tree state? ... "
Of the ones in Washington, the "Evergreen State"?
World to Romney: "Medicare is not a single payer system. Any person on medicare can choose Medicare Advantage and select among many difference insurance companies for the plan they would like in their state. I for one, selected Aetna. This shows you that Romeny et al depend on stupidity of their audience by projecting erroneous information. Does he think anyone over 60 is dumb and will believe his bull?
If you're wondering why Romney said he likes trees you'll find the answer here; http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/mitt-romney-anchorman-video-6839089
I'm telling you, the resemblance is uncanny!
All states have pride in their trees. Try www.uppermichiganssource.com which will show you not only beautiful trees, lakes, and waterfalls, but also wildlife including birds, deer, moose, bear, wolves, coyotes, etc. as they roam freely into people's yards, fields, woods, etc. I really enjoy the pictures.
If he drives a Mustang and a Chevy pickup truck, and his wife drives a couple Cadillacs, then why in his campaign commercial did he drive that car that was assembled in Canada? Why not just use one of his own US-built cars?
Nothing against Canadians, just wondering, since he made such a point of "Detroit made automobiles."
Because that's how lame he is. Just like the picture of the Detroit car show actually being a picture of the 1964 New York World's Fair (which apropos of nothing, I also went to)!
Now that '64 fair WAS something! They should have left that one up!
I went to the New York World's Fair in 1964, too. Who knows, maybe we passed each other at some point. It was a terrific fair. I bought a charm for my bracelet of that big globe--still have it. I remember standing in line for what seemed like forever for a 45-second look at Michael Angelo's Pieta. The exhibits were fantastic.
Sueb1---I went to that Fair as well.
Come to think of it, I went to the New York World's Fair in 1964 too. I stood in line for the Miss Clarol exhibit so I could peer into a magic mirror and see my little face framed in a blonde beehive hairdo.
Do you think that is when we got brainwashed to grow up to be liberal?
Amy---you could be on to something--maybe we all drank kool-aid at the World's Fair. Although my parents took us and they were Republicans.
HEYYY!! Now I remember you guys...I thought you all looked familiar.
[If he drives a Mustang...]
Mittens got the 'Stang as a gift from his wife...and by his own admission, he really wasn't that impressed with it...
Now, who do you know that gets a car...ANY car...as a gift, and doesn't like it?
...oh yeah...Mittens is "one of us"...
Spanky?
He & Willard have much in common...
Touche`...
yeah, but Spanky's car is only the hot wheels variety.
My family went to both the NYWF and Montreal World's Fair. They were both great, hehe. At least we didn't have to deal with any pols at those events.
Anyone want to bet $10,000 that Romney and his wife have matching Bentleys?
Obama / Biden 2012
Jody, I got those injection molded dinosaurs and have them. I also have a program from the fair. I loved that Belgian village, and I got to see the Pieta in NYC! Sometimes I still eat off of placemats I got there!
American Girl wrote: Anyone want to bet $10,000 that Romney and his wife have matching Bentleys?
It is clear you are like many others who post on this area in that you have very little success in your life. People who have worked hard, have intelligence and become a financial success are bad? Change your name to China Girl. It would be more fitting.
The Romney campaign staff should have known this would happen because he hasn't drawn huge crowds anywhere. They probably figured that in his "home" state, he'd draw a big crowd but how long has it been since he lived there; plus they forgot "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt". The photo of that empty 65,000-seat stadium tells a big story. It looked as if they had enough people to cover the field from the goal line to the 30-yard line. Wonder how many of them were journalists.
I keep hearing republicans on TV speculating about someone else entering the race. Wonder if they realize that every time they do that, they simply further undermine their party and it's credibility. There's no knight in shining armor that can ride in and save the day--any that could are too moderate for the far right and they know it.
At the Romney rally in Portland Maine it's said there were 400 people, but most of the questions from the audience were asked by Democrats and Ron Paul supporters who just came to harass him. Poor Romney.
Maybe they'll tie Mitts to the top of his car and drive him home soon.
" ... Maybe they'll tie Mitts to the top of his car and drive him home soon. ... "
With his dog? I think PETA would have something to say about that. Why would anyone want to do that to a dog?
Romney s campaign team has to be infiltrated by Santorum surragates----They can t be this stupid----or can they?
George - No one with any love of animals would do that to a dog.
Jesus said - "Feed the Poor. Heal the sick." The guy with 200 million, who likes to talk about his many cars says, "eliminate subsidies to Amtrak and Planned Parenthood, as well as send programs like Medicaid, food stamps, and housing subsidies back to the states." Hard to mistake the contrast or intent. Seems like a well-thought-out approach to increasing class warfare.
...and Romney's side, the wealthy elites intend to win.
This event speaks to what a bad campaign Romney is running. Instead of the story being "Romney gives key economic address in front of overflow crowd!" or "Auditorium too small to hold Romney crowd" which would have been exciting....like so much of what he does, this one goes down as a joke---'Romney gives economic speech as empty as the stadium he gave it in' and another one I saw 'Romney gives speech at 65000 seat stadium; only 63800 seats still available!'.
Personally I think it is sad that we are in the thick of a damned important ideological struggle for a consensus as how we tax ourselves to fund the kind of government we want, but the message is swallowed up by chatter about the venue in which the argument is presented.
Regardless of personal feeling about Mr. Romney, we do ourselves a disservice if we do not listen to and evaluate his proposals. When we automatically deride the opposition's argument out of habit, we encourage demagoguery from both political parties.
Loyal Texan, I get the feeling that everybody who wanted to hear Mr. Romney's message, was there.
LOL
Obama / Biden 2012
Loyal Texan, you're right...but it's the candidate's job to make sure his message gets through and Romney screws it up every time it seems.
" ... if we do not listen to and evaluate his proposals. ... "
I have listened. And my "evaluation" is ...
They suck. They will only provide for an even bigger debt then that of President Obama. You know the ones the Right whines so much about.
And that is the GOOD part of what he says.
I read either in a vine comment or the press that Romney does not want to be POTUS because he wants to make the US a better place. Instead he wants to POTUS because he wants to be POTUS. I think that's really true. The man has no vision for the US, just for himself.
Loyal Texan - no one refused to listen to Romney until he changed his opinion at each and every stop to fall into line with what the far right wants. He has no opinion. He is like a marionette who goes whichever way his strings are pulled. And, unfortunately for everyone, the far right is pulling his strings.
MSNBC's First Read: Headlines written by David Axelrod and Media Matters.
Tough to distinguish the First Read headline from the pathetic radical Environmental Defense Fund ads saying "Obama saved the children" or "Thanks for ignoring lobbyists" (except for the 50 lobbyists retained by the Environmental Defense Fund)
Did you really expect Romney to fill the stadium? Didnt Obama speak to disappointing crowds recently on his bus trip? Somehow First Read doesnt go there...
It is now 100% campaign mode... look through dozens of First Read headlines, they are all spun pro-Obama... the only arguably negative coverage of Obama is often-befuddled discussions of why the Exaulted One hasnt wrapped up all 50 states yet!
Relax, Bob - we're gonna wrap up "all 57 states" this time, just for you! :)
bitter are we, Bob? Face it, you have four losers. George Will said yesterday what a pathetic group this is! Jeb Bush said today that these candidates are going in the wrong direction, etc, etc. And, the fact is, Obama is way too smart to ever book a stadium if he only had 1200 people coming to the event.
I think faux is what you all looking for and find yourself a blog to make you happy.
If all stations aren't as nasty as faux then you are unhappy.
Too bad
I would be more worried about your own party and it's overreach into thinking it is your right to tell women what they can do. We couldn't know what to do with our own bodies without your religion telling us what to do. Religion by the way that the constitution prohibited from being in our goverment.
For the love of America Obama/Biden 2012
Bob, just suck it up, I've been to larger family reunions than that. That crowd couldn't empty out a small grocery store of all the beer in stock.
No way to spin this. The choice of venue was an Oops moment.
Ideology, can you actually visualize Mitt downing a cold one with the boys?
TOG ... I don't know what Mitt drinks but it sure makes him walk funny ... and in a transgendered effete way, maybe it's the underwear?
Just curious - are Mormons allowed alcohol?
Nope or caffeine either...
They are big on boxed potato's though...
And famous for their jello recipes. Nothing like a good jello sugar high.
[They are big on boxed potato's though...]
...and gold plates...but no one is allowed to see them...
Mormons are not supposed to drink alcohol, coffee or tea.
Caffeine is not on that list. Mormons are counseled to avoid things that are addictive for health reasons, and caffeine is addictive, but it's not an issue if a Mormon drink 3 cases of Mt. Dew a day. Well, it might be health wise, but not in church standing...
That is interesting since Mt. Dew contains the highest amount of caffeine of any beverage that contains caffeine, and is definitely addictive.
Oh my God...I just figured out the Republican strategy. They'll get the Congressional majority to push thru an amendment to allow more than 2 terms...then exhume and reanimate Ronald Reagen...no, maybe not. In today's Republican party Ronald Reagen is WAY too liberal.
Ol Doc...it'd be the best plan they've come up with this year...at least Ronald Reagan wasn't insane!!! I do often wonder what he must be thinking whenever one of these clowns brings up his name...he must get tired of rolling over in his grave!!!
" ... the Exaulted One ... "
So when did the Right raise President Obama to such a high position? Isn't "Exaulted One " used to reference someone high up in the Christian religion? And I thought that the Right said that he was Islamic. I'm confused.
So if someone on the Right could explain this to me?
Because as a Liberal, I don't consider him to be "Exaulted". Better then McCain? Yep. Better then Mitt, Rick, Newt or any of the other Clowns on the Right. Hell yes.
But "Exaulted"? Never.
Ron Paul has voted to keep minimum wage from increasing for the corporations.
Romney would raise your taxes for more tax cuts for himself.
Santorum would move the extra large size government into your bedroom and doctors office.
Gingrich would get so patriotic that he would cheat on Callista.
Then all of them would take your birth control and eliminate your right to choice.
Republicans the party that wants to take all your rights from you in the name of freedom.
Speaking of nuts.
Rick Santorum said that President Obama wants more young adults to go to college so they can undergo indoctrination to a secular world view.
Now that is a strong vision for the future. Use religious paranoia so that no one progresses past a high school education. Didn't he go to college and law school? How did Rick maintain his intensely narrow and myopic worldview?
But this is off topic...I would like to see the link, though.
"Romulian Romney" does not have an economic vision! It is too hard for him to see his "Clouded" economic vision being so far out in space. The "Romulian's telescope does not have the range to see what is really going on in the real world. The "Speculator and Chief" has his vision strengthened by the Koch Brothers, and supported by the "Goofy Grover" Tax Pledge. The "Political GOP/RNC Flip-Flopper" has NO new fair economic ideas of his own. The "Romulian" is going to "Recycle" the economically bankrupting ideas of "Trickle Down" economics. Hey America! What are those economic wet spots on your shoulders?? It is the "Tinkle Down" economics of the GOP "Speculator and Chief! The "Romulian" has NO clear vision of what the Middle Class, the Working Poor, the elderely, and the disabled are going through economically. The "Romulian" has NO clear vision of creating a fair tax code. The GOP "Speculator and Chief" has NO clear vision of creating an efficient Energy Policy. The "Romulian" has NO clear vision on job creation, job training, and NO back to work programs for our Military Veterans. Who are coming home from the "Bush Wars." The "Romulian" has NO plans to help the Working Poor, and NO vision to help those citizens that cannot help themselves. The only vision the "Romulian" has is when he is counting his unearned profits. That he invested/stlole from the hard work of others. That is fact!
search online
venture capitalism" and you will find that they fund job creation, high risk innovations. His states rights stance takes government back to the people. His business success and acumen show that he is the one who most does understand the world, economics and job creation.
His energy policy would make us energy independent by not stopping the Keystone Pipeline and getting Canadian oil from their oil sands. We need oil and natural gas now and tinker around with algae and the green boondoggles later and he would certainly be better in assessing the business success side of those industries that obama dabbles in experimentally at trillions of dollars lost and still losing "flooding downward", debt zooming upward and poverty rising to take back those who had made it upward into the middle class.
There you have it America, Governor Romney wants to add $6.2 trillion to the deficit.
In addition, Governor Romney wants to go to war with Iran, something that is expected to add another $2 trillion to the deficit.
If Governor Romney cuts Social Security and Medicare in half immediately, he still wouldn't pay for everything he's already proposed.
Funny, I never heard Romney say he wanted to go to war with Iran.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
They could have found plenty of venues that wouldn't have turned into a punchline
Oh Mitts...silly boy... no one wants to show up because
They're all working! They have jobs! Can you say stimulus?
Please tell me what other candidate, including OBAMA, could fill that stadium? Then I'll tell you why you are acting like a three year old, who doesn't understand where 'stumulus' money comes from and who has to pay it back.
Jensen: Obama DID fill that very stadium in Detroit in 2008. And I'm betting his folks are already planning to make a stop at there to fill it again after Mitt is nominated, to show him how it's done. Now you wait right there while I run out to the guys building this nearby highway in Maryland to ask them if they think their jobs aren't real and the stimulus a big waste. I'm guessing they're among the majority of us who are damn glad it worked, that they and workers in Detroit are working again and that we're finally pulling out of the Bush recession. Course I know not everyone is pulling for America if it proves their vote was wrong.
Wow! Now this is funny!! I can not stop laughing! Please tell me this is a joke? Romney you win the prize for being the funniest clown on Bozo's circus!
Agreed with Bozo being Obama!
Bman - that the best ya got? So sad!
No what it's sad is how my taxes go to pay for your food, housing, clothing, and internet ... That's sad! I might decide to stop paying my taxes or offshore my money and put you on the street.
You could at least say thank you!
Bman - since I make my own money your sorry a** isn't about to put me on the street. Pathetic post by the way but I don't expect anything better from a Republican. You truly are a very sad excuse for something.
If ANYONE votes this stupid bastard in they are even more because this would be just like BUSH (WELL BOTH) a train wreck waiting to happen. Come on we can not all be that stupid again we have to give Obama a chance. Look you cant fix in 4 yrs what it took 8yrs for some spoiled incompetent mommas boy to almost bankrupt and sell to China the good ole USA! Romney loves the rich and HATES the poor so I guess us rich people will be ok but I would hate to be you poor people with him in office. Don't say you were not warned!!!
No way that is 1200 people in the photo. Maybe 300, 350 tops. And probably half were with the press. Not a showing you want if you're running for President.
Karma is a funny thing. Last fall when the Romney campaign was riding high and ran that ad that out-and-out misquoted President Obama---that even his own party called him out on----I posted here that I would not want Mitt's karma.
The Ford Stadium was not the only thing that was empty today for "Romulian Romney." His economic vision for America is empty, and his Foreign Policy "Ignorance" is very empty of rational thought. The GOP "Speculator and Chief" has a empty economic blurred visions for the Middle Class, the Working Poor, the elderly, and the disabled. The "Romulian" is hoping that the American People are blind to what he is trying to really do. Which is very confusing, because the "Romulian" keeps flip-flopping on every issue.
Don't forget about our health care being "indexed for longevity". Heck, were just a commodity to Mitt.
...Romney 'empty of rational thought' He must have earned his millions quite by accident, stumbled into the Governorship of Mass., and just showed up to save the Winter Olympics.
What planet were you born on? Its time to put an competent adult in the White House.
Romney 2012
jensen-3101721 - And we have a competent adult in President Obama. Too bad the GOP doesn't even have 1 competent adult running.
DOn't bother responding to Jensen...That is a mormon name most likely and I would hope atleast mormons would vote for him...Maybe Flip=flopping and outright lying are mormon leadership traits so they know his real agenda...How was That smith dude on that front ? wasn't he ran outta towns for his schemes in the early days ? Don't worry GOP members he tells the Koch bros and other rich dudes what he is up to..So they will give him the money for Obama smear ads and that seemed to work for Bush twice ....Oh yeah that didn't work against O last time ? But it worked again locally in 2010 you say ? Right that is why I say Obama practices a new kinda politics...And he will drag a democratic controlled congress on his coattails....He will talk directly to Americans about what he did and what he has left to do,and if you want some of those things done you will vote for him and his party...Notice I didn't say all the things he wants he will get done ? When has any president got everything done ? The closest was FDR and he died trying and it took several terms...
get real people!! no candidate would fill a stadium!!! geesh!! at least the people there have a lot of room. enough about how he can't fill a stadium already--it's unrealistic and old!! yes, he is the only one to choose if you don't want an obama landslide!!! i voted for obama and will never again. not since he started kissing brown butt on a 24 hour basis for votes!!
al sanchez
President Obama would and has filled a stadium.
Obama / Biden 2012
Al Sanchez - in what world do you live? President Obama has - more than once.! And, do you recall he had over 100,000 at a speaking engagement in Europe?
I'd wager that Al Sanchez lied about candidates never filling a stadium because he's a right-wing troll. Also bet that he never voted for obama, that his name isn't really "al sanchez", and that he's not even hispanic.
Right-wing trolls think it lends credibility to their criticism if they say their independents, or voted for obama in the past. And it seems 'al' thinks the false minority identity will help give the post credibility too. LOL.
So 'al' if that's not a total load of b.s. then tell us how Obama is "kissing brown butt on a 24 hour basis?" Hmmm? Care to back-up that statement? After all that's supposedly why you won't vote for him "again." isn't it? hahaha
And while you're at it, why don't you tell us the point of signing your post if you're using your real name as a screen name?
Get real Al: Obama filled that VERY stadium in 2008. (watch...you'll get to see him do it again shortly.)
Where are all the Romney supporters? Seriouly, who has seen a Romney bumper sticker?
I'm sure if he get's the nomination... you start seeing some. Let's not put the horse before the cart. He hasn't even been nominated yet.
Where are the Obama supporters? Seriously, who has seen a recent Obama bumper sticker? Who can afford gas to drive a car with an Obama bumper sticker?
Oh, sorry, I forgot, Obama is at this very moment creating unleaded gas out of algae.
I did see one (only one) Romney bumper sticker recently, Alan. It was on an old AMC Gremlin but it was for his father, George. The damn thing was backfiring so much I could barely read it. I'm sure it came with the car but still....it was a Romney sticker so I guess it counts.
jensen - again with the gas stupidity. As has been told before, President Obama doesn't determine gas prices. Too bad the far right is so illiterate they don't understand this. And, clearly you travel with your eyes closed. There are many Obama/Biden stickers on cars, houses, etc. Grow up!
bman - not going to happen!
Jensen: try getting out of your own house....Obama/Biden stickers are EVERYWHERE....
And learn a little bit about the world, would ya? You might actually learn the US doesn't dictate middle east oil prices, regardless of the fact we're producing the highest amount of oil we've EVER produced (right...even under the Texas oilman GW.) Guess you're new to this discussion over energy dependence in the last 15 years?
oh man, fumbling by everyone connected with this event....
you'd think these were a bunch of amateurs.
This type of planning should be second nature for a CEO and his staff.
Romney also said his plans for reforming Medicare -- including offering supports for private options instead of the traditional single-payer system -- would begin in 2022, and that eligibility requirements would rise one month each year, and be indexed to longevity.
^ Yup, that's the Ryan kill medicare proposal. Romney has lost his mind. Even if he were not doomed already - he is now.
By their audience size ye shall know them.
The photo looks like a graduation rehearsal, except not as well attended.
Rehearsal at a Santorum home-schooled group.
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He should have given the speech in a toilet where Romney and the Republican Party belongs. How does a Millionaire understand anything about a middle class worker when he can afford to self insure himself, not need Medicare, not need food stamps nor wonder where your next meal comes from.
The Republican Party is NOT the party of the Middle Class and the Poor. They care nothing about society but care only for their own welfare.
June 2011, Florida:
Obama spoke at three fundraisers, including one that was open to the public.
The largest fundraiser had a disappointing turnout. Politico reported that only 980 tickets were sold for the event at the 2,200 seat Adrienne Arsht Center. The upper level of the center was completely empty, the second and third levels only partially full, according to Politico."
Surely the First Read headline read "Obama speaks to half empty hall" ? No?
That's almost half full, Bob - 980 out of 2200, not that I'd take your so-called facts all that seriously when you don't even post a link. And why aren't you posting a link? What facts are you selectively ignoring?
Well i gogled it out and your numbers are correct. at least for the June fundraiser at that center (I didn't verify that it was the largest and the article which was about the poor attendance didn't mention even worse attendance at others). And filling it 1/2 way, 980 seats, with tickets starting at $44 is still a lot better than Romney's pitiful crowd draw at a free event, especially since it was held in June of 2011, almost 1 1/2 years before the election. Nonetheless, your facts are accurate, so in fairness, I wanted to set the record straight.
Thank goodness people like Bob are quickly becoming the minority here in VA.
Funny thing, the article says 1200 people were at this Romney event in Detroit. From that picture it looks like less than 100.
Also, Bob is mentioning an event from June of last year, a bit early for anyone to care about an election that's a year and a half away. Go to any Obama event today and you'll likely find a packed house. Hell, after what Obama did to save GM and all of the workers jobs, I bet he could easily fill that stadium in Detroit.
Bob: you do NOT want to go there....This is a dismal year for Republicans and their fundraising, especially for Romney. His fundraising is great only when compared to the moral and mental midgets he's running against in his own party. Romney is getting only 12% of his donations from small donors--(Washington Post) --the President is getting 80% from from his small donors (those giving under $200.00) What that means Bob is that not only is the President so far out ahead in donations, he's crushing Romney in the breadth of his support. People are not as stupid as you would have us believe.