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*** UPDATED AT 1:45 PM ET WITH COMMENT FROM RUBIO SPOKESMAN AND CORRECTS TIMELINE***
Quick: What religion is the son of Cuban exiles?
Answer: Roman Catholic, right? Right.
And also Mormon?
That’s right, Marco Rubio, the conservative senator on everyone’s short list for vice president, was a member of the LDS Church in his youth, BuzzFeed reports.
Jonathan Ernst / Reuters
When Rubio's family moved to a suburb of Las Vegas, many in his immediate family converted.
When Rubio's family moved to a suburb of Las Vegas, near cousins who were Mormon, many in his immediate family (but not his father) converted, including Marco. Rubio was baptized in the church when he was 8 and enthusiastically participated in the religion, according to the report.
Rubio spokesman Alex Conant tells First Read BuzzFeed is incorrect that "Rubio's steadfast participation in the Mormon church continued for several years—until his parents decided to move them to Miami." (*** UPDATE *** BuzzFeed has clarified: "The cousins said Rubio's participation in the Mormon church continued for several years, until his parents decided to move them to Miami—though Conant said the family left the church before leaving Nevada.")
In fact, Conant said, "He left the church when he was 11 or 12, he received his first communion in 1984 when he was 13, and they didn’t move back to Miami until the next year, in 1985."
BuzzFeed’s McKay Coppins writes:
“The revelation adds a new dimension to Rubio's already-nuanced religious history—and could complicate his political future at a time when many Republicans see him as the odds-on favorite for the 2012 vice presidential nod. Vice presidential candidates are traditionally chosen to provide ethnic and religious balance to a ticket. Mitt Romney's Mormonism and Rubio's Catholic faith would already mean the first two members of minority traditions on a Republican ticket in American history. Rubio's Mormon roots could further complicate that calculation.”
NBC Latino reports that a former Rubio campaign staffer said this should have no bearing on whether the Florida senator's picked as VP and that he is a "devout Catholic":
“It should not affect it at all, that is totally unfair,” says Bertica Cabrera Morris, who ran Senator Rubio’s campaign in Central Florida and is a Senior Advisor to the Romney campaign, as well as a member of Romney’s Hispanic Steering Committee.
“Marco is a devout Catholic,” Cabrera Morris adds. “The first thing he did when he was confirmed as a Senator was have a Mass,” she adds. “His whole life is about faith.”
And Cabrera-Morris said:
"His family attended the church for a few years. He went with his family.”
One of the cousins described Marco to BuzzFeed, though, as being “totally into it.”
“Over the years, he and his cousins frequented LDS youth groups, attended church most Sundays—often walking to the chapel because his mother didn't know how to drive—and latched on to the mainstream Mormon culture that was easily accessible in LDS-heavy Nevada.
“For example, when they were in elementary school, Rubio formed a singing group with Michelle and his sister that would put on performances for extended family. Their inspiration? The Osmonds, of course.”
But all that changed when the family was going to move to Miami.
“Rubio was just reaching high school age when his family relocated, and [cousin] Mo [Denis] speculates that their transition to an area with fewer Mormons likely took its toll.”
A Rubio spokesmantold BuzzFeed “that Rubio never requested to have his name removed from the LDS Church's records, which means officially, the church is likely still counting him as a member.”
And:
“While Rubio continues to identify as a Conservative Roman Catholic, he frequently attends a non-denominational Baptist church with his family in Florida. As his notoriety increases, both communities have sought to lay claim to the rising political star, with little resistance from Rubio himself. In fact, the politician has cooperated for profiles in both the Catholic Advocate, and the Evangelical World Magazine—granting pitch-perfect interviews to each.”
NBC Latino also talked to Ignacio García, a professor at Brigham Young University and a Latino Mormon. García said, NBC Latino writes, "it is not surprising that the Rubio family attended a Mormon church when they lived in Nevada."
"Unless you are hiding under a rock,” García said, “a Latino family in Nevada would have been approached by Mormons, who are welcoming to Latinos, especially immigrants.”
In fact, LDS Church leaders have told NBC News that Latinos are a growth area for the church and are more progressive on immigration policy than on other church policies, like abortion, for example.
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WHAT?
Marco wears magic underwear too? lol
This guy sounds confused, although, he does seem to have covered his bible banging bases!
At any rate, I still want to see his birth certificate!
Personally, I will not put down my pen and cease casting diatribes until there is a Heathen/Atheist duo in the Oval Inner Sanctum.
In other news...President Obama was once a muslim...but later attended a hate-mongering church who's pastor often cried out, "Kill Whitey!"
Sources please?
Oh, that's right - there are NONE!
Cuban exile (obsiously not) or re-patriated Dad of Mittens from Mexico.....maybe they're cousins. lol
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That sorta knocks him out as a V-P possibility. Don't think the fundamentalist are ready for a full-blown Morman and a past Mormon. It shouldn't matter, but to the Tea Party, it really does matter.
AK Sabin, educate yourself; you just repeated one of the biggest lies told by FOX and friends. President Obama is not and has never been a Muslim but, as Colin Powell (republican) said, so what if he was.
You moonbats are always into proof, so jodie prove he wasn't a muslim.
No, Rubio would not be able to wear the Mormon undergarment (known to them as Temple Garments)... They have to go through a Temple ceremony first- and he would have to be 18 before he could do that. If he left the LDS Church around 13 and never returned... that means he would not even be able to purchase them.
Magic Diaper Man #2
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Actually, I couldn't care less if he or anyone else is a Mormon, Roman Catholic, Jewish, Atheist or if they belong to any other religious affiliation.
This country is made up of a vast array of people of varying beliefs, education, races and interests. Why should anyone have to "fit" into a particular arena or not?
Why not simply judge a person on their accomplishments; or in some cases, their lack thereof?
They don't and we shouldn't...but when was the last time this country elected a President who wasn't a Christian? (No a.k.a. Sabin...that wasn't for you to answer, since you think religion is "inherited" from father to son apparantly...it's for the non-tin foil hat crowd).
omg really people?! He followed family to the church as a little kid, learned and questioned for himself, and left and went back to the Catholic church. Personally I could care less what he does or doesnt believe as I dont believe any of it.
If you deny that there is liberal bias in he mainstream media, you are living under a rock. We saw George Stephanopolos take marching orders into debate questioning.
The only thing they don’t ask Republican candidates about much is economic questions and debt questions. Instead they ask horribly slanted, often irrelevant questions designed to make them look bad
and help Obama. We’ve heard questions about contraceptives, religion, Newt’s angry ex-wife, Cain’s employees, Romney’s personal wealth, Gardasil, etc. Newt’s rise was because of the way he attacked the media and Obama in the debates because of the stupid and obviously planted questions.
So, what would happen if the mainstream media treated Barack Obama the exact same way they treat Republicans? The questions might sound a little something like this.
1) Numerous Mexican citizens and an American citizen have been murdered with weapons knowingly provided to criminals by our own government during Operation Fast and Furious. If Eric Holder was aware that was going on, do you think he should step down as Attorney General? Were you aware of Fast and Furious and if so, shouldn’t you resign?
2) In 2010 you said Solyndra, a company that donated heavily to your political campaign, was “leading the way toward a brighter and more prosperous future.” Today, Solyndra is bankrupt and the taxpayers lost over $500 million on loans that your administration knew might never be paid off when you made them. How do you respond to citizens who say this is evidence of corruption in your administration?
3) Unions invested a lot of time and money in helping to get you elected. In return, unions gained majority control of Chrysler, the taxpayers lost $14 billion dollars on General Motors, and General Motors received a special $45 billion dollar tax break. What do you say to people who view this as corruption on a scale never before seen in American history?
4) Through dubious means you and your Democrat allies in Congress managed to force through an incredibly unpopular health care bill that helped lead to the worst election night for the Democrat Party in 50 years. Since the bill has passed, many of your claims about the bill have proven to be untrue. For example, we now know the bill won’t lower health care costs and despite your assurances to the contrary, big companies like McDonald’s say they may drop health care because of the health care reform.
Congress has exempted themselves from the health care reform and instead has their own taxpayer-funded premium health care plan. Many large companies (that donate to Democrat political campaigns) have received special exemptions from the health care plan. Since the majority of the American people have rejected your health care reform and it doesn’t do what you said it would, shouldn’t you work with the Republicans to repeal it?
5) When you took office, the national average for one gallon of gas was $1.89 per gallon. Since then, you’ve demonized the oil industry, dramatically slowed offshore drilling, blocked ANWAR, and rejected the Keystone Pipeline. Now, gas is $3.54 per gallon and rising and is expected to reach $5 per gallon by May of this year. How much higher do you anticipate driving gas prices?
6) Occupy Wall Street has been protesting against Wall Street and the richest 1 percent in America. You
are in the top 1 percent of income earners in America and you have collected more cash from Wall Street than any other President in history. So, aren’t you exactly the sort of politician that Occupy Wall Street wants to get rid of?
7) How do you decide which foreign leaders to submissively bow towards and why do you think that’s appropriate for an American President?
(8)If they could, don’t you think the Nobel Committee would take back the Nobel Peace Prize that you were awarded after serving justone month in office?
9) You made bipartisanship one of the central themes of your campaign in 2008. Yet, you’ve worked to push bills through Congress with almost no Republican support, spent much less time negotiating with Congress than George Bush did, and you’ve said things like,“But, I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind
cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.” Why did you decide to break your campaign promise to pursue bipartisanship?
10) America lost its AAA credit rating for the first time under your watch. What do you think you should have done differently to have prevented that historic failure?
11) You cut more than 500 billion dollars out of Medicare to fund your wildly unpopular health care reform bill. Given that Medicare is running in the red already, don’t you think it’s irresponsible to cut money out of one entitlement program, that millions of seniors depend on — to put it into a risky new entitlement program?
12) Back in July, you said, “Nobody’s looking to raise taxes right now. We’re talking about potentially 2013 and the out years.” Since you plan to raise taxes if you’re elected and you’ve had kind words for a value added tax, shouldn’t every American expect a tax increase if you’re reelected?
13) Why should the American people reelect you when your 10 year budget saddles America with more debt than all previous Presidents combined?
14) Your stimulus bill cost more in real dollars than the moon landing and the interstate highway system combined. Many prominent economists have concluded the stimulus plan was a total failure. What
do we have to show for all of that money spent?
15) Members of your administration promised that the trillion dollar stimulus would keep unemployment under 8 percent. Instead, we’ve had 35+ months of 8% and above unemployment. Doesn’t that mean
we wasted a trillion dollars on nothing?
i bet your magic underwear ginger says coleman on it.
Bob Jones.
You wingnuts never have any proof....which is the main cause of your collective delusion.
Don't forget his transcripts.
Also, don't we need proof he wasn't a Muslim before he was a Mormon, before he was a Catholic, and starting attending a Baptist Church?
The man is basically dishonest, a chameleon allowing and adjusting his persona to whatever suits him politically.
there are two pushing Rubio, Rubio and the media; he has no chance whatsoever to br picked by Romney, (two Mormons on the ticket.) , the vp will be Christie of New Jersey, he will bring the more conservative republicans to the fold; Rubio has no chance, whatsoever.
AK Sabin: I love you.
Again, why does MSNBC give a rat's a$$ about a candidate's religion when it is clear Obama does not seem to have one at all? seriously - does he attend church every Sunday? No. but i would imagine his attendance at Sunday services is going to spike here in the next couple of months.
Democrats want to force churches to go against their doctrine and provide birth control to their employees. Yet won't even broach the topic of forcing a woman who is on government assistance and having child after child to increase the amount of her check to go on mandated birth control.
Surprise, surprise! The First Read Relect Obama Campaign suddenly realizes that a "candidate" Rubio might well take away a big chunk of the hispanic vote that they have been able to take for granted for all these years. Uh oh, guys, it's time to start slingin' the s**T at Rubio!
Lonny: Yeah, I feel sure that Rubio changed his religion at age 11 or 12 to enhance his future political campaigns. That's really an astute observation that I wish I had thought of. But then again, I'm just an ignorant conservative.
AK, how much are they paying per post for that tripe? Can you at least find some stuff that hasn't already been debunked? Maybe that is why no one asks about it. You Republicans just can't get out of women's pants or the past. You're sad.
Bob Jones, it is impossible to prove a negative.
msnbcrap, anything to destroy this country.
Heck, an ideal mongrel, American, a little Catholic, a little Mormon, and little Protestant, a little Spanish, a perfect American, go Marco!
So, I guess this means the Golden Boy actually represents TWO religious groups that suppress women.
Sounds like the perfect Republican to me.
I'm not sure Rubio is worse off than a POTUS who claims a pastor who is a "Racist, Homophobic, Narcissistic, Pathological, grr"
Keep trying MSDNC.
Rubio is a phony. His immigration story is phony and I imagine his religious conversion story is phony as well. He is an opportunist. I am not sure where that fits in the lexicon of religious faiths. He has no chance of being any ones VP because when they vet this guy his whole narrative is a load of crap. And I assume this time around the VP will be vetted??? the babe from Alaska thing didn't work out so well, so one would think that the VP this time will be highly scrutinized. That might disqualify the fat one from NJ too, because I would bet he has skeletons aplenty in his closet.
Spider: Isn't that like saying Obama was born in Kenya and his parents sneaked him back in the USA so that he could run for president when he became a man. It is the silly season, roll with the flow.
@"I can think on my own", first of all, what an odd choice for a screen name given your comments. That doesn't seem to be the case at all. And secondly, you profess your "love" for AK Sabin, who commented that Obama was both a muslim and "later attended a hate-mongering [Christian] church," but then you follow up your love of AK by saying that "it is clear Obama does not seem to have [a religion] at all." So first Obama is a muslim, then he's an adherent to a radical Christian church, then he has no religion at all. Gee, you seem to be as much of a confused chameleon as Marco Rubio!
Two Mormons on the ticket might be a hard sell. Even a Mormon and a Catholic might be tough. Evangelicals don't consider either to be true Christians.
The even harder sell, though, for the GOP will be having two morons on the ticket this November.
"“It should not affect it at all, that is totally unfair,” says Bertica Cabrera Morris, who ran Senator Rubio’s campaign in Central Florida"
Ha well don't worry then because we know the republican base and it's mouthpieces always treats people with fairness and honesty.
Lonny, You just described most politicians! I don't know if you were intending to describe Obama or Rubio though. I agree heartily with Jensen describing Rubio as a mongrel, the perfect American. I, too, consider myself a mutt, even though most of my heritage is Northern European (British, Irish, and Swedish). I also have Lutherans, Catholics, Mormans, and probably a few Baptists in my family. Most of us with ancestors that have been Americans for more than 100 years do have mixed backgrounds and faiths, and as Americans it is supposed to be OK (that thing in the Constitution about religious freedom).
Rubio and Cristie have both said they are not interested in being Vice President.
good christian conservatives would never lie.
All you republicans saying one or the other will get the VP nom, you either have to consider these guys not to be good christians because they are misleading the people...or you have to consider them piss poor at giving this serious thought to this very serious role.
I wouldnt want someone on my ticket who months earlier said they were not interested.
I couldnt trust a guy who had a sudden change of heart.
Though, I suspect the republicans could.
Jody I love the Tiger Hawk!
AP-1414066,
Agnostic U.S. Presidents?
There are good reasons that suggest that both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson may have believed in a God, but not Religion. Yes, the same two that the Tea Party people consistently put on the top of their lists as far as Presidents go.
James Buchanan was another non-religious president. I seriously doubt he would be thought of very highly by the Tea Party folks though, both because of his being rumored to be gay, and also for being high on the list of our worst Presidents by historians.
There have probably been a few more but most were pretty good at talking the talk whether they walked the walk or not.
This headline "Rubio's Mormon past revealed" has a pejorative tone to it. Where are we headed with all this? This country, the United States of America, was founded on religious freedom. Have we devolved to become the sort of country which Europeans fled in the 15th century in order to escape the Church and those who said they weren't right with the Church? Does Rubio need to now have his Christine O'Donnell ("I'm not a witch") moment and publicly state "I'm not a Mormon"?
Remember folks, this is a slope so slippery that we should not even approach it in America. Because when it becomes acceptable for one faction of a religion, in this case Evangelical Christians, of a faith with a 100 or more different factions/denominations (each with differing belief dogmas), to begin setting 'standards of correctness' in the faith ("who and what is/is not a Christian"), those people who are elected to positions of power over our lives and public institutions who think they also have the right to set religious 'standards' may just as easily decide that you too do not measure up!
If being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not measure up to "Christian" in the eyes of those who are seeking power, then who's next? The Methodists? The Lutherans? How about Episcopalians, Presbyterians or Southern Baptists? Clearly the Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, all disfavored Christian denominations, et al would be at risk for exclusion; not measuring up to the religious standards of those in power.
Let's not go down this road in America. This road is the surest way to lose our Republic.
This is the precise reason the founders of our Constitutional Republic wrote the establishment and religious test" clauses in our founding documents.
You are right, I am still unhappy about Bush bowing to the Saudi King.
So, Rubio is a Cuban-American, Tea Party bigot, ex-Mormon, Anti-woman, Anti-gay, Anti-EPA, Anti-science guy?
www issues2000.org/senate/Marco_Rubio.htm
Uncle Dave from Seattle
You are right, I am still unhappy about Bush bowing to the Saudi King.
It is appropriate for national leaders to respect the customs, and leaders, of other countries.
Unless, you are a despot like the leaders of Venezuela or North Korea.
Do you respect despot leaders more than Bush and Obama?
Maybe your double-wide is a bit tilted.
Robert in Oregon: the Republican Party, in deciding to drive the party over the cliff in following the evangelical right in all things social is what is driving this narrative. Its too late for the party to now claim
"bbb..but, bbb..but, but his religious beliefs don't matter. Its not fair to be talking about that."
It does matter because that is what 50% of the discussion to date has been about. Not about jobs, the economy or improving the lives of every American. No, the GOP is more intereted in telling a woman that she can't decide whether or not to have sex with her husband and not have children. They are more interest in telling rape victims that they must carry any child to term.
Because of their religious preoccupation, the GOP has its head so far up women's uterus's that they can't form a coherant thought on the things that really matter.
First Romney, and now this guy. Mormons (and former mormons) are everywhere!
Where's my torch and pitchfork???
To take a line from the Donald: 'My people are on the ground in (Miami and Arizona) right now and you would not believe what they are finding out about (Rubio).' I will have them search the records at the Mosque to see if rubio was a member there, and get back to you. From the evidence we already have, which is a lot, he is not one of us. He is a religious chameleon.
Ahhhh, here we go......
Tired of slamming any Republican Presidential contender and now ANY potential Republican Vice Presidential candidate is going to be ATTACKED.
Sheeeesh, why not have articles on the major issues touted by Mr. Obama:
Stimulus #1/#2, HAMP #1,#2,#3, Unconstitutional Mandated Universal Health Care Reform, Omnibus, Cash for Clunkers, Cash for Appliances, Weatherization Program, Geothermal Plant in Nevada, Solyndra et al, Battery Company, Electric Vehicle in Finland, $2B to Brazil for off-shore drilling, Fast and Furious, continuation of unlimited Unemployment Benefits, etc., and these are ONLY some of his prized Domestic issues.
Nah.
Why does it matter? The separation of Church and State goes both ways. Religion shouldn't influence politics and vice versa. Religion needs to be removed from the political arena. I think we should raise money and hire a lawyer to sue all politicians that invoke religion in their campaigns and legislation.
Marco is too important as a good republican senator to take the VP role. We will need him when we take control of the senate next January. Chris Christie will do just fine as VP.
A K Sabin (1.14)
Boy are you going to get it for that post. Way to factual for the posters here.
So, he's one of the lucky ones that escaped the clutches of the radically weird Mormon church.
Having set the bar, however, every candidate for president should now be forced to disclose their long form birth certificate, just to prove they weren't born in the Cayman Islands, for instance.
You mean the same hispanic vote that Republicans have been trying to alienate by treating them all as criminals because they have the wrong skin color?
Why is this news? It would be like making it a big deal of what church Obama attended as a child. Who cares! Oh yeah, the national news media who for whatever reason is against Rubio.
From the time he was 8 until 11 or 12? He attended church with his cousins and enjoyed it? Who cares? The right has had no issue with Newt be a Catholic of Convenience (oh, you believe in forgiveness? I'm in), then this won't be an issue.
And that part about "when is it appropriate for the POTUS to bow..." it is always appropriate for the POTUS to show respect to a friendly countries leader in their customs, much as they will shake his hand which is our custom. Only rude and intolerant heathens would not have the respect to bow to Japan's leader, or the Saudi Prince, or whomevere.
The liberals are so scared that Rubio may end up being a VIce Presidential candidate who will take away the latino vote from Obama and the Democrats that they are stooping to this type of trash? MSNBC now thinks that this is newsworthy? REALLY? A kid (Age 8) is christened into the Mormon Church and is enthusiastic about his new found religion. Then he gets back to his Catholic roots. This is somehow something negative on Rubio? Are you liberals now attacking both theMormon and Catholic Churches? I am sure the next thing to hit is Obama issuing some edict about kids that convert from Mormon to Catholic have to remain Mormon for life for his political expediency. We have got to stop all the religious bashing or dredging up what politicians did in their youth. What do they believe now and what policies do they support and actively pursue NOW is the real focus that everyone should be centering on! This kind of garbage piece is below even MSNBC!
Rubio goes to church every day... Just what has that got to do with his qualification to elected office? What has he done since in office? passed one bill in all that time...
This guy seems to have a lot of baggage for someone early on inside politics.
Why in the world does it matter where any of our candidates attended church? I for one am a person of Faith and I have walked amongst many different denominations, and also synagogues. I've attended even non christian centers of alternate faiths. I have my disagreements with the main stream churches. Yet I am sick and tired of all this garbage about a person's Faith as whether or not they will make a Great President or Vice President. What ever happened to the fact that our choice of where we choose to worship G-d. and his Son Jesus Christ through the leading of his Holy Spirit is our OWN PERSONAL CHOICE. Its between you and G-d where you worship. Whether your comfortable in the Catholic Church with all of its Liturgy and Sacred Ceremonies and Saints, or a Baptist Church where your getting " Born Again" every Sunday because of the Hell Fire and Brimstone Message, or attending Sacrament for an hour, then Sunday School for an hour, then Priesthood for Men, Relief Society for Woman for an hour every Sunday, or Friday evening your beginning the Sabbath and enjoying the Cantor and Leader of the Synagogue, or Thursday your on your knees in prayer before Allah. What happened to this being our own personal choice? I am tired of this side of Politics. BTW if you want to know the truth, which Obama needs to hear to. Jesus did not concern himself with the politics of his time. He in fact heeded to the Governor and the King of his time. So don't come here and tell me Jesus is a Democrat or a Republican. He is neither, in fact he thinks their politics are like dung and both stink to high heaven.
Why in the world does it matter where any of our candidates attended church? I for one am a person of Faith and I have walked amongst many different denominations, and also synagogues. I've attended even non christian centers of alternate faiths. I have my disagreements with the main stream churches. Yet I am sick and tired of all this garbage about a person's Faith as whether or not they will make a Great President or Vice President. What ever happened to the fact that our choice of where we choose to worship G-d. and his Son Jesus Christ through the leading of his Holy Spirit is our OWN PERSONAL CHOICE. Its between you and G-d where you worship. Whether your comfortable in the Catholic Church with all of its Liturgy and Sacred Ceremonies and Saints, or a Baptist Church where your getting " Born Again" every Sunday because of the Hell Fire and Brimstone Message, or attending Sacrament for an hour, then Sunday School for an hour, then Priesthood for Men, Relief Society for Woman for an hour every Sunday, or Friday evening your beginning the Sabbath and enjoying the Cantor and Leader of the Synagogue, or Thursday your on your knees in prayer before Allah. What happened to this being our own personal choice? I am tired of this side of Politics. BTW if you want to know the truth, which Obama needs to hear to. Jesus did not concern himself with the politics of his time. He in fact heeded to the Governor and the King of his time. So don't come here and tell me Jesus is a Democrat or a Republican. He is neither, in fact he thinks their politics are like dung and both stink to high heaven.
Why not just join 'em all? That way, you can be everyone's guy. Mormon, Catholic, Baptist... why stop there?
The only thing that surprises me is Romney didn't think of it first.
You could say Rubio voted for the Latter-Day Saints before he voted against them!
:P
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Paul M., good one.
I love the proof of his devoutness. He wanted to sing like Donny Osmond. Almost spit coffee at that one. I don't know if the person being quoted knew he or she was saying something funny.
Back off the attacks on Donny Osmond. I loved him in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.
Steeler - me too! I was surprised, but he was really good in that.
Though I'll add the narrator carried the show - at least on the video. Not sure if she did the stage performance, too. She was great.
Ok come on...he was a kid...so he wanted to be Donny like all the other kids around him...big deal.
I know, daryl. They were the original "...and we're Mormon" ads.
..."and they called it puppy love..."
The new republican Donny song is "Go Away Little Girl", unless of course she is a Donna "Bad Girl" complete with aspirins between her knees.
They don't want no girls on them there panels discussing girl parts, but they sure do want them late at night in "Cherry Hill Park".
If only Rubio would become a Wiccan. I could vote for him then. :) This will send a few eyebrows up here in the sunshine state!
OMG flog him! Seriously who cares if his family joined the mormons for a while as a kid? Really MSNBC? Seriously?
Phine........ you? Ive dated a few Wiccan women in my days....... Sure were fun women. My current masseuse is a Wiccan, boy is she good with her hands.
The issue is whether he was re-baptized when he became a Catholic. Catholics recognize Protestant baptisms but would not recognize a Mormon baptism since Mormons are not technically Christian. This pretty much illustrates what determines one's religion --- a person tends to follow the faith of their fathers tempered with a little convenience and peer pressure. But it should be easy enough to determine where Rubio's Letter of Membership is lodged.
What a big crop of nothing. Leave it to the reporters at MSN First Read to provide chilling, fast breaking, important news stories that provide earth shattering information.
Who cares what church Rubio went to as a child? How does this shape the political landscape...
Mention anything about Obama's muslim connections or love of that religion and the liberals all become unhinged.
LMFAO. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Jolly,
No, not Wiccan. But I know a few great ones. Some of the best people I know. Just me mocking the whole "what religion is so and so politician"
All those man made religions are dead anyway, so who cares which one he is. They all claim to follow Jesus but have wandered far away from Biblical principals. Jesus' goal was not to start a new religion, but to renew a relationship that was lost because of sin.
Why, the Democrats do, Brianb! They care because they realize that as a VP candidate Rubio would steal a great big chunk of the hispanic votes they take for granted. That thought scares the crap out of them, so they'll take any opportunity to launch a typical Dem personal attack on him.
spider and this is serious-I am not sure Rubio is legally able to be a VP, if something were to happen to the president he isn't a natural born citizen. While I personally care about that, its not like its a secret that he was born in Cuba.
Oops my bad he is US born. but not interested in VP
From the size of you - she would have to be! ;o)
Poor dear probably has hands the size of grizzly bear paws!
Spider - now that you mention it... makes perfect sense. They must have run out of rocks to throw... so they needed to dig up some from the forest.
The neat thing about all the democrat attacks coming forth now... is when the general election arrives, all their stuff will be old and worn out by then and nobody will be listening... We never run out of Obama stuff and can sling it out all day long... ROFL!!
lol @ Spider. However, when we're talking about what school Obama went to as a child, suddenly it's of utmost concern to the mouth breathing tea people, isn't it. It means he's "foreign" or it means he's a "secret muslim" or it means he didn't have an "American upbringing."
When Rubio decides why his family "fled" Cuba, get back to us about him. Until then, he's just another GOTea opportunist, changing his story to fit whatever narrative he thinks is relevant at the time.
Pagans only for President!!!! Woo Hoo!!!!
Phine, you may want to check out the Libertarian Party. They had a self-proclaimed Druid priest running for governor of California a while back. The guy even stained his skin blue. I have to confess a little ignorance about Druidism, and don't know if the blue stain was connected to that or some other statement he wanted to make.
Oh, and the candidate for lieutenant governor that year was a one-issue guy. No, not drugs or gold standard or anything like that. His one issue was the right to own ferrets. Apparently, in California, they can't. (Actually in Virginia we can and I have - they are cool little critters.)
For some reason, that dynamic duo didn't fare well on election day. Shocked me.
all their stuff will be old and worn out by then and nobody will be listening
The great thing is unemployment at around 9% and gas prices at over $5.00 per gallon will certainly not be worn out by then.
See ya in the funny papers Baraaaaack!
Rob, why did the GOP stop legislation regulating speculators who drive up the price of gas? How's that going to play when you cry about $5 a gallon?
This one is simple. Any candidate for public office in the United States of America who publicly questions or challenges the religious beliefs or faith of another person, is not qualified to serve. Period!
Robert in Oregon,
Right on.
There has been an absurd level of attention paid to religion this campaign so far. Why are we tolerating this? Way too much attention on "god" and all the related silliness distracting from real issues. Religion has no place in beneficial political discourse.
So, this voter has had enough. To all candidates and media outlets I say:
"I DON'T CARE! STOP IT!!!"
I made my contribution to the unemployment rate this week. I filed it on Tuesday after being laid off last Friday. Can't tell me the economy is getting better.
That sucks, Brian. What is your profession?
good luck looking brianB. The bright side is that most job searches nowadays are online, Saves a lot of gas.
Mark in SoCal - I still recall all the religious emphasis when the catholic kennedy ran for POTUS in 1960. I may have only been knee high to a grasshoper then but it was a hot issue
Mark - I'm a Construction Project Manager. I just completed a 55 unit apartment complex in Montgomery Alabama. Believe me when I tell you keeping employed in construction management these days is extremely difficult.
american - I have put out at least 60 copies of my resume in the past 2 weeks. I do have CareerBuilder and Monster... along with several other trade related recruitment services e-mailed to me on a daily basis. It's getting harder and harder though... The Obama economy isn't an easy thing to swallow.
Brian, the definition of recession is when your neighbor is unemployed. The definition of depression is when YOU are. Anyone with any common sense can see this economy started before Obama took over. It was Bush that started the bailouts and unemployment started to rise under him. Bush ran up a huge deficit by cutting taxes for the rich while starting two wars paid for by borrowing from China. In the future G W Bush's name will be linked to Herbert Hoover. Both of them started economic depressions and handed them to their successors.
Brianb,
Ouch, construction. You guys are getting clobbered. There is some anemic construction activity here in SoCal, but not much to get excited about. Good luck to you.
american,
I was two years old when JKF died, so I wasn't even a grasshopper in '60!
i would be embarrased to be a mormon also.....
And I would be embarrased to be you! Cool it with the religious slurs.......
Devil's son - say what you want about who's fault it is... I have been employed throughout my career. It's only been the last couple of years that it's getting harder and harder to find reputable companies to perform my profession in. They are thinning out. If you are such a supporter of Obama, why don't you take a look at what he could do to push the economy forward instead of allowing it to retreat.
Obama is inept in any ability to take care of the economy of this country. I don't care what the reasons are. Reagan turned it around in his first term... and believe me, the Carter economy was no picnic.
moonbaseGOP - exactly where you are transmitting from too!
the Republican Party, in deciding to drive the party over the cliff in following the evangelical right in all things social is what is driving this narrative. Its too late for the party to now claim
"bbb..but, bbb..but, but his religious beliefs don't matter. Its not fair to be talking about that."
It does matter because that is what 50% of the discussion to date has been about. Not about jobs, the economy or improving the lives of every American. No, the GOP is more intereted in telling a woman that she can't decide whether or not to have sex with her husband and not have children. They are more interest in telling rape victims that they must carry any child to term.
Because of their religious preoccupation, the GOP has its head so far up women's uterus's that they can't form a coherant thought on the things that really matter.
I'm not sure why it's only a problem being Mormon and republican.
Let's look at democrat Mormon politicians;
Harry Reid (Nevada) - Tom Udall (New Mexico) - Jim Matheson (Utah) - Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (American Samoa). These are the ones that I know are Mormon that I believe are still in their positions. There have been several other ones in the last several decades.
I never hear complaints about democrats that are Mormon, but it becomes a big deal when they are republican? Come on, just admit what upsets you is you can't stand the fact that they are republican and are grasping at any straw to fuel your contempt.
This conversation is mute. Evangelicals won't vote for a mormon and sane people won't vote for Santorum.
The Right can, and obviously will, kick and scream up to November 2012, but the end results in pretty clear - Obama/Biden 2012.
The Right can, and obviously will, kick and scream up to November 2012, but the end results in pretty clear - Obama/Biden 2012.
This coming from a liberal that can't see past Obama's scrotum.
Haha Brianb, quite frankly, I haven't thought about Obama's scrotum, well, ever. But thanks for sharing where your mind is. Be careful though, your rightwingnut friends might start to talk.
Don't tell me you are homophobic jimsepa.... liberals are supposed to be past that... experimenting with all sorts of homosexual gamesmanship these days... do tell, you participate, eh?
Brianb, I'm not homophobic but my boyfriend is.
Why so curious, Brian? You looking for a date?
Ok righties, tell me, as a Democrat I really don't give a rat's patootie what religion a politician is or if he or she has a religion at all. How is that a liberal screaming and hollering about Rubio's past religion. Most so called liberals I know don't care what religion one is. Contrary to those on the right who support Santorum, for example, we don't think we are electing a Pope but a secular leader.
brian if your as good as you say are and if you were in the union you could have had a job the same day as you were laid off. I never had a problem finding work when I was in the carpenters union. Maybe you could find work as a professional blogger.
Gwaddamn! Another religious polygamist! Ashamed of it too. This could be good or it could be bad. Depends on how well the different salvations accepted each other. Course it could have a confusing effect too. Might think He's an angel one minute and a saint the next. Either way, I'll bet the snakes avoid Him.
Ordinarily, I'd say "who cares". But after 3 years of hearing how Obama is a Muslim because his father was, I say "Game On". You can't have it both ways. Ironically, it doesn't matter with the Dems and Indies, they judge a person by their ability. So all the Muslim talk was just for the ones who wouldn't vote for him anyway. But now with Rubio (and obviously Romney), it's a huge factor on whether or not the Repubs would elect him.
Maybe this will be a growth opportunity for the right. After all the diversity forced on them this primary season, maybe they will catch up to the rest of the civilized world and stop being so concerned about another person's background. I doubt it, but maybe.
BrianB
I hear the Village People are looking for a construction worker
Why don't people get off the social issues and look at the economy? Obama's "tax reform" from yesterday is actually a tax hike. The statutory ta rate (35% will soon be the highest among first world nations with a tax system that is inefficient as well as uncompetitive. The 28% tax rate is above the international average 25 - 27%. It also picks winners and losers in the tax system--25% rate for certain manufacturers and lower for advanced manufacturing (inviting your favorite high paid lobbyists). It punishes companies (like oil and gas) which the White House doesn't like (think higher gas prices?). The oil and gas industry has led the country in job creation for the past 4 years, but obama raises it's taxes and give tax breaks to his green energy buddies. It raises taxes on U.S. corporations doing business abroad but CUTS taxes on foreign companies operating in the U.S. Huh? The effect would be for Ford, Apple, etc. to become foreign to be competitive. (Goodbye jobs!!!) Another proposal 28% rate for corporations, but 41% on almost 30 million businesses that are not corporations and that pay taxes as personal income. (Think small business?) There is also a plan for a new "global minimum tax". Overall taxes on most owners of companies(except the tax exempt entities and FOREIGN owners) would be higher. The tax on dividend income today soetimes is as high as 45%. Under obama, the tax would be closer to 58%. It will plunge our country's economy into the ground. Read yesterday's Wall St. Journal to confirm.
MAW - sounds like President Obama is taking a couple of pages out of the books of Reagan and Clinton: raise taxes, get rid of loopholes and voila, propserity. You see, if you actually look at the effects of raising taxes at the upper end of the scale and the effects of higher taxes on capital gains and dividends you would find that our country is most prosperous when there is disincentive to be greedy.
When the pie is made bigger and split up on a more equitable basis, everyone gets more pie. When you shrink the pie to the size of a fruit tart and decide that only the wealthy can have it (no capital gains/estate taxes) effectively everyone ends up with less pie.
Why in the world does it matter where any of our candidates attended church? I for one am a person of Faith and I have walked amongst many different denominations, and also synagogues. I've attended even non christian centers of alternate faiths. I have my disagreements with the main stream churches. Yet I am sick and tired of all this garbage about a person's Faith as whether or not they will make a Great President or Vice President. What ever happened to the fact that our choice of where we choose to worship G-d. and his Son Jesus Christ through the leading of his Holy Spirit is our OWN PERSONAL CHOICE. Its between you and G-d where you worship. Whether your comfortable in the Catholic Church with all of its Liturgy and Sacred Ceremonies and Saints, or a Baptist Church where your getting " Born Again" every Sunday because of the Hell Fire and Brimstone Message, or attending Sacrament for an hour, then Sunday School for an hour, then Priesthood for Men, Relief Society for Woman for an hour every Sunday, or Friday evening your beginning the Sabbath and enjoying the Cantor and Leader of the Synagogue, or Thursday your on your knees in prayer before Allah. What happened to this being our own personal choice? I am tired of this side of Politics. BTW if you want to know the truth, which Obama needs to hear to. Jesus did not concern himself with the politics of his time. He in fact heeded to the Governor and the King of his time. So don't come here and tell me Jesus is a Democrat or a Republican. He is neither, in fact he thinks their politics are like dung and both stink to high heaven.
OMG! You've attended even non Christian centers of alternate faiths? How hideously open-minded of you! You've walked amongst many different denomintions? Was this an interfaith charity fundraiser walk for diversity awareness?
dslsca,
No this was not some interfaith walk. I have attended many faith centers and walked into all types of places of worship other than a Mosque. That is next on my agenda. Yes I am disgustingly open minded enough to not just judge a book by its cover. Oh yeah some of my best friends are Gay and Lesbian also. Oh and did I mention that I am also a Minister of the Gospel. Oh Snap! That's not cool to be a Minister and have Gay and Lesbian friends. No DSLSCA I have been changed in my heart through a humble walk that has shown me how we need to understand each other. Its not the people that are the problem its usually the Institutions and their Leaders who are the problem.
TheSwor: I certainly agree about the institutions and their leaders being the problem. I've been to a mosque. You should definitely go.
The answer to that, Brianb, is conservative religious voters care.
They are continually cutting off their noses to spite their faces. The GOP keeps backing themselves into a corner on issue after issue. No candidate will ever be conservative enough in exactly the right way and religious enough in the proper religion. The joke is on them.
It would be a lot more amusing if the future of our country were not at stake and not held hostage by radical religious zealots and Tea Party nuts.
Not likely, spider.
You probably also think Obama supporters were quaking in their boots over all the support Herman Cain would get from black voters. And look at how definitively Cain washed out.
LMFAO
dslsca,
I do plan on doing that since there are so many available to me here now where I live in Portland,Or. This is why we have the issues of division and indifference towards each other. No matter what our core values may be. Its not our job as I have learned to legislate, convert, or manipulate ones faith or its words or its values based on what we feel are the truths.
One has to come to their own personal conviction in his/her heart as to what they believe or not believe. Then once they believe in those values even though some of them may not make logical sense to someone else. This is why its called " Faith". Then and only then it becomes that person's own personal faith and belief's and its no one else business as to how they practice their faith as long as it does not bring harm to another person.
Another thing its also a best practice to investigate and check out for one's self how someone else believes by reading their core books of faith, attend one of their worship centers, get to know their people who attend, become friends with someone of that faith and nurture a true friendship in order to bring complete understanding to what they believe.
Then you can judge for yourself how you feel about their belief system and your done. No harm no foul, in fact you just broadened your horizons vastly by this way of discovery. Many ought to try this before judging others. Yes there are bad people in many walks of faith that have brough disdain for the religious establishment. Remember these are men/woman who are humans and they will fail you.
Kaybee,
I know you believe Obama is infallible. In fact many think he will get another 4. Yet I will say this. He will not get another 4. Why? Because there is a wave of voters that most have taken for granted and they pretty much have stayed away from the polls in this country for a long long time. You like to call them the silent majority. They are made up of many walks of life, they have seen many things go on in this country and sat at the sidelines and said nothing.
Yet now they will come out in 2012. They will shock many candidates across the country. Some will fall and some will rise. Some will be Republicans and some will be Democrats. This wave will bring change. Unfortunately Obama is not a part of it. He was only a instrument in showing us all how broke Washington DC is. Not just Legislative, but also Executive, and Judicial. The Establishment from both sides are struggling for the control of the masses. Yet those masses are tired of what they see.
President Obama promised "Hope and Change", he promised to bring unity. Yet what he has done is continually brought division. Please don't tell me the Republican Party started it. No it was started a long time ago when the Democrats controlled the House of Representatives and President Obama as the person who I remember saying he was going to be a President to both sides of the aisle. Said " Now its time for them to get to the back of the Bus and enjoy the ride". I am not quoting exactly, yet it was very divisive to start out your Presidency in reaching across the aisle like that. Well if a Republican President did the same, it would be so out there in the Media and the Liberal Media would be screaming loud. We need Unity not division.
When US media start telling people which politician is a Freemason, I will start paying attention.
Max,
That is not necessary when all are square and on the level. Then we will know.
Will all of you please stop - it is not because Rubio is Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, or any other it is because he lied
He said his parents came here to escape Castro - when in truth they came here two years before Castro took control
They came to this country for financial reasons and were able to get a better life
I for one don't like liars to embelish their credentials - why not the truth - my parents came here for a better life - end of story
But no this kid and I say kid - lied - and he will lie again!
Barbara: I agree with you about the lie. But I also see a tremendous amount of religious bigotry on the part of MSNBC, First Read and most of the commentors above. BTW: How many days has MSMBC ran this Article?
Stand back! Methinks that the Conservatives panties will in complete knots over this one...
After 3 years of accusing President Obama going around apologizing for America, he actually did finally issue an apology...and for what happened, I say rightly so.
@Noid...
I thought the same thing....The word "apology" was saturating shows this morning, much to my disgust.
DaNoid, agree, we did need to apologize for that. I think conservatives would make a big mistake if they complain about this.
Yes indeed DaNoid, I'm glad the president is apologizing for this mistake that was made. I hope the radical right is not stupid enough and claim the president is weak in this case.
You do realize two things.
1. The prisoners were using the books to pass messages back and forth.
2. Burning the Quran is a legitimate way to dispose of it, that and floating it out in water.
I agree they could have thought this through a bit better, but we are at war. What I think we should do.... is next time they burn an American flag. We should have about 10,000 Americans show up in Dearborn Michigan and riot!
::Looking around:: Taking inventory... ::Searching for all conservative complaints:
Still searching.....
Still searching....
Looking further...
Um....
Zero conservative complaints so far...
But...but...for President Obama to apologize, that would mean he IS IN FAVOR of religious freedom - which we now know (thanks to our Republican friends) is certainly NOT the case.
And for those of you who can't quite make the connection...</sarc>.
Who will apologize for the execution for a Christian minister in Iran?
Uh, Noid? Religious persecution is the specialty of the liberals.
Rubio's " Mormon past " "revealed"? Dear old, do you people reach for ANYTHING you can grasp.
Do keep at it, though- most of the electorate find it as distasteful as do I.
msnbc and the libbie posters here sound like having any religion these days is a criminal offense!
I'm sure you do, now that the shoe is on the other foot. Most of the electorate has found the Obama is a Muslim rant distasteful for the last 3 long, disgusting foul-mouthed years. You hypocritical conservatives love to dish it out, but you sure can't take it.
rub not criminal - but come on the mormons believe what far away mystical planets and angels and baptizing the dead whoever and when ever they want - and that bible filled with talking snakes in magical gardens and people coming back from the dead - not criminal - ............. just insane
I wish I could vote for your comment twice!
The nut job from NJ is suffering a case of terminal ODS! Thankfully, her & the rest of her ilks days are numbered! ;o)
Feisty---you can't vote for anyone twice---you aren't a Republican.
Why course you're right SF - WHAT was I thinking? lol
A true leader will "man up" and apologise for those under him do stupid things. Good on you Mr. President. I suggest we go further and provide the residents with 1000 copies of the Qoran to show them that we don't oppose the Qoran or Islam but radicals who don't follow that religion or its's holy book despite their claim to be Muslims.
Baldeagle11,
One question? Have you read the Q'uran? I am betting that you haven't read the Q'uran. In fact I am almost sure you haven't even read the writing's of Muhammad the Prophet of G-D. The reason I say this is because in Islam there are no such things as denominations as there are in Christianity. They also only have three main branches of Islam. They differ based on who lays claim to the lineage to the Prophet.
There are also some much deeper rooted differences. Yet they all believe the same way. Its not about radical or not radical. These who are doing these "Acts of Terrorism" are doing this in the name of "Allah". They are performing "Jihad" what they believe they are in with the West and the Christians. Jihad means "Holy War". Anyone who has been involved in any kind of "War" knows there's nothing "Holy" about war.
War takes the good young people of all warring parties involved and literally destroys a complete generation of good young people who should of been out enjoying their younger years either furthering their education or pursuing a career in the job market. Then go out and pursue there life long dreams. Not go over to some sand hill and see people killed and even kill another human being. This changes a person for life. We Need Unity Peace and Life.
What gives with you Domenico, I always though you were a political reporter not a religious reporter? Why is this even news?
As long as the conservative candidates stump and thump their faith, it must be reported. If the conservatives want faith taken out of politics, they need to drop it from each and every conversation. Quit feeding the hypocrisy, sfcret.
Absolutely right Red - they are all running around with their faith on their sleeves, so, it's only fair the voters know what faith they belong to?
In Marco's case it's all of the above!
See sfcret, you thought he was a political reporter. Instead of asking Rubio, he got his information from BuzzFeed.com. You know the site where ALL good reporters get their news source from.....
Why is this news?
There is a rift between the Evangelical Vote and Team Romney.
...and if you doubt me...
Translation: Team Romney, at least, believes that Evangelical voters won't vote for a Mormon.
Well, now the question is Rubio's Mormon background...and with some around here touting a Romney/Rubio ticket, how will two Mormon's fly in the eyes of the Evangelicals?
Oh, the cruel irony...4 years ago the GOP started telling us that the National Enquirer was a credible source of journalism when they started reporting on John Edwards' affair.
Really noid? You're going to equate John Edwards child from an affair, with Rubio being a Mormon as a child?
The Enquirer stayed on the Edwards story because the MSM refused to follow it. Liberal bias and all.
Eventually they had no choice, because a child of a VP candidate from an affair while his wife is stricken with cancer is actually news.
The only place anyone cares what religion Rubio was as a child is right here at good old First Read.
The GOP didn't tell you the National Enquirer was a credible source of journalism. Are you insane? Did the Republican Party really have a official press release stating so? If not, you are a liar.
Spreading disinformation is one of your favorite things to do online.
"...4 years ago the GOP started telling us that the National Enquirer was a credible source of journalism when they started reporting on John Edwards' affair."
They did? Ok if it's true and I really don't care about Edwards. Why is that a question is asked, someone on here says something like the commit above? But....but.....the GOP did........who cares, the GOP is just as F-ed as the Democrats. Funny thing is that this so called reporter jumped in with both feet to put out BS that doesn't relate to anything political. Now the tread changed because either one he realized what an aZZ he is or two his boss probably told him to change it.
No, I don't believe I said that at all. That you chose to make that leap in logic and reason, well, you trully have a dizzying intellect.
The point I was trying to make? Well, you just proved it.
You know what I meant.
so for a couple of weeks, we've heard libs say over and over, keep religion out of politics, but now this is an issue? Typical of libs. And, you make all these hateful, ugly remarks about Mormonism but if anybody ever mentions Obama's relationship with black liberation theology that person is attacking him and are racist. The double standard is unbelievable.
Yeah noid, comparing the two is exactly what you did.
And it failed, miserably.
Your circular logic won't fly with me.
The real problem is that Conservatives have no identity, who the hell are they? Sheriff's with gay illegal lovers named Jose, Mormons who don't wear magic underwear, Alter boys who can't get over their first crush on the local youth Priest, the Christian guy who marries five times but hates Polygamy? Democrats are just mongrels, and a leader who is one and admits it. Democrats are every color of the rainbow and every religion or none, and proud of it, so suck it up.
Oh, you mean comparing Buzzfeed.com to National Enquirer.
Yeah...I did it...guilty as charged.
Get real. At that age its not "religion." Its hangin' with your friends and listening to scary fairy tales.
And how is this even NEWS or newsworthy?
Does nbc have an agenda ?
Is someone to be discredited for what they did when they were 8 ?
How pathetic nbc has become. Very sad.
Conservatives have identity Jensen.... The republicans have none. The republicans are not conservatives by a long shot. You have to be one to know one... and I know they are doing their level best to be middle of the road... and have been following that tact for years. This is why they are having a problem holding up their candidates... They keep on knocking down anyone that appears too conservative.. If you think Mitt is conservative, you do not know conservatives. Santorum is mildly conservative and Newt is more conservative, but tends to swing middle when its convenient. If the republicans want to win, they need a true conservative as the alternative to Obama the liberal.
I purpose an amendment to the US constitution stating that one can only run for president if they are practicing Wicca, Voodoo or are a Druid. There. Solves this whole religious issue. Pagans only for President!
phinephancy
Would you be willing to join me in the formation of the Agnostic Party?
Our party slogan: "There's nothing you can't do if you don't know whether you believe in anything or not."
Marco has a taste of the VP position in his mouth so he will blow whoever....oops...whichever way the wind blows. Next week he will be something else. Absolutely cannot stand him regardless of what his religious beliefs are. That rotten bunch elected in the last round are hell bent on destroying this country. As for all of you who don't think the Obama administration has done anything good......you only see what you want to see. Do some research and you will see that the latest polls show that Americans feel that we are moving in the forward position. Things are getting better. Sorry they aren't moving at the speed of light, but what the Bushman and the evil Cheney and the rest of the henchmen did to this country takes time to unravel. I think it is completely unfair to expect any president to wave a magic wand and it all goes away. And, Carter, really? That time was a cake walk compared to what Mr. Obama and his administration has had to deal with, and mostly with no help from our dear friends across the aisle. Do you people really want Santorum or Romney to lead this country?
Alaskagirl, I don't think we have to worry too much about that. They've pretty much alienated minorities, (especially Latino voters), non-evangelicals, and all women now. I don't think having a Mormon nominee with a Latino running mate will do much to bring those voters back now. They are pretty much left with white, Christian men over 4o years of age. But they are doing very well among that group.
I do respect your comment, but disagree. Obama is way conservative compared to Lyndon Johnson, I was alive then, I know. Wall Street and the Bankers, love Obama. Barry Goldwater was the last real conservative, and I knew him. I am not being rude, but the only practicing conservatives are the Amish.
Holy Moly Domenico! I guess you haven't been able to come up with the headline "Marco Rubio was a Murderer!" yet, eh?
Seems you put being a Mormon as a child on about the same level with that sensalization.
Try TMZ Domenico, the Oscars are this weekend and they could probably use you!
Same to you WCA
Must be a slow news days here at FR. Starting to read like National Enquirer.
But Red, was Rubio stumping and thumping his faith?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
They changed the headline!
What a frickin' amateur hour this place can be!
I wonder why WCA? This is a good place for laughs though.....
White Collar Auto,
Go to newsbusters.org. They did a pretty good job pointing out media bias. I would send you the link, but FR doesn't allow it.
Was he Daryl? How so? Is this something you got from this site or MSNBC or better yet BUZZFEED.com?
Wake me up when they find out Rubio was actually a Voodoo Priest. I will be interested then.
Here is another fine example of media bias.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/21/sale-of-philadelphia-newspapers-raises-bias-concer/?page=all
He's still covering it up? That was your question daryl, that story came out in October right? And you know MSNBC would continue and continue and continue to hammer the fact that Rubio is covering something up, just like this stupid story.
I'm not pretending anything daryl. I just asked you were you got it, no need to call people names you know? I understand I got under your skin, my bad, but I never asked you for any links or site, just asked you where you got it from.
Gee Daryl - I don't know. Has Obama been stumping and thumping his faith while the right extremists viciously went after his faith? Let's see, last I heard, some religious yahoo refused to acknowledge Obama as a Christian on the Bashir show. And just this week, some religious right wing extremist with the name of Grahm announced on Morning Joe that he can't ascertain if Obama is a Christian. And the list goes on and on.
You beechy little righties sure love to huff and puff and rake Obama over the coals on his religion, yet you become little weak-kneed crybabies when a little article comes out about Rubio's religious past.
Apologies Daryl - that (5.14) was meant as a reply to Paul. Mea Culpa : ) I have slapped my wrist.
Right, RedDevPS. Every one of you who ever attacked Obama about his alleged Muslim background, and you know who you are, should not be on here crying about this. Yes it's completely irrelevent, but so was all the lies about Obama.
And like it was noted earlier, as long as the right keeps it about religion, then anything related is fair game!
"You are all over this story demanding that people show you proof of whatever."
All over this story Daryl, really? hmmmm......where did I say show me proof? Odd, I looked and I can't find what you're accusing me of. See Daryl, when you say your full of crap, that's applying something right? Now wouldn't that be a form of name calling? Ah, I'll let you figure that out, I'm sure you will say no, fine, your opinion.
As for facts, you posted a link, I read it and said "so what" and that just pissed you off. Since you were a good Mormon back in the day, I'm pretty sure you didn't get to punch a bully in the nose in the 3rd grade. That's too funny. Whats wrong Daryl, just asked you a question and you go on a bi-polar rant.
Speaking of the truth, would that be Daryl's truth, where you're always right? Dude, you turn this into his parents and cried and bitched about it. I don't care and I even said that, I just said was he preaching his faith. You came out of left field crying about his parents, that Daryl is a bi-polar moment and a damn funny one at that!! Thank you my friend......................
Red,
What the hell are you talking about? Where did I say Obama anything on here? You and Daryl the same? You know that what I meant right? How did you turn this into a Obama thing? WOW, I mean really, where are you going with this? Never mind, you're funny too..........
"I have slapped my wrist."
Thank God you didn't cut them right Red?
Wow - what a child's religion was when he was 8 to 13 years old is a real news story. **NEWS FLASH** I was picked up by the police when I was 10 years old for swimming in an unauthorized area of a lake. DO NOT let me run for water commissioner since I obviously have no respect for water and it's proper usages.
John you don't seem to mind the news story when President Obama is attacked for a paper he wrote in kindergarden.
Or the fact the can call President Obama a muslim because his father may have been a muslim before the president was born.
Or how about the fact that the republicans are trying to call President Obama a terrorist because he knows someone who did things outside the law when the President was a baby. Republicans have no problems making those conections.
For the love of America, Obama/Biden 2012
Americans First -
As a liberal, it is precisely because I get angry with conservatives trying to make those kinds of connections about President Obama that I can't support this sort of story just because the shoe's on the other foot now.
In the interest of full disclosure, at the age of 8, I was a baptized Lutheran who "enthusiastically participated" in the church - Sunday school, the children's choir, the whole nine yards. I've considered myself an atheist for almost 40 years now. If I were being considered for Vice-President today, which part of my history do you think the voters would be more likely to focus on?
By the way, is it just me, or has the headline on this thread been changed since it was first posted?
JoAnne you are a two faced bigot, right. You are supporting the looney tunes times who has a headline that makes a deal out of Rubio having a mormon background.
I think it is stupid to make those kind of connections too. That is why I have to post about their hypocrisy when it comes to defending Rubio because he was a child.
Rubio has a more current issue to defend. Back when his parents were alive, he praised social security and medicare as giving his parents the chance to live their lives out in dignity due to those programs (It was a beautiful speech). At the time he thought that social security and medicare should be expanded due to the great good they did.
Now that he is a republican darling, he now claims that social security and medicare make for a weak nation and a weak people and should be now eliminated. He would be perfect for Romney, they could flip-flop together in their efforts to destroy America for the rich 1%.
Americans First, zing!
Bob Jones, what's with the double standard. You complain about the headline story by calling someone else a "two-faced bigot".
Bob Jones -
Actually, I was pointing out that the original headline seemed a bit more "accusatory" to me. And I thought I was saying that an 8-year-old child's religion - or lack thereof - has little if any impact on why we should or shouldn't vote for them as adults.
Exactly what part of that do you find two-faced and bigoted, please?
I just wonder if he's got his dates and facts straight. After all, this IS a guy who claimed his parents fled Castro - two years before Castro took power!
If he stole a piece of gum as a kid, thats it Rubio has to be gotten off of the streets.
This is really bad journalism.
I find it funny the Republicans/Tea Party believe Rubio should be Vice President who could end up being President if something happens to the current President. According to them you have to be a "Natural Born Citizen" by their standards he most definitely is not a "Natural Born Citizen". Why is this the case because neither of his parents were born in this country.
These same people claim President Obama is not a "Natural Born Citizen" because if father was born in Kenya forgetting the fact the President had a mother who had to carry him for 9 months bring him him here and she was an American Citizen. I also find it interesting they are not demanding for birth certificates especially from Rubio.
The hypocrisy is very telling.
Yes but Obamas father was a dirty Muslim...its not like Rubio is from a communist country or something....
Daryl,
From the outside it may appear that 8-yr olds in the Mormon church are pressured into being baptized, but the reality is that they are simply taught the doctrine of baptism and they look forward to it. I can't say I've ever known an 8-yr old Mormon that felt pressured. And yes, it is a big deal for them to be baptized. They are making a covenant with God and have been looking forward to it for many years.
I'm sorry to hear about your sister's experience in Utah. Far too often I hear stories of non-Mormons feeling ostracized in Utah. Trust me though when I tell you that it doesn't happen everywhere. I'm a Mormon that doesn't live in Utah. My children have very good friends from all kinds of backgrounds. In fact, my 9-yr old daughter has a friend who is Muslim and I'm glad to see them get along very well.
It is totally false that you have to be a jerk to the Mormon church to have your name removed from the records. Also, it is totally false that we baptize dead Holocaust victims. The Jewish community does not want it happening, so we don't do it. Occassionaly a name gets through the system, but the church tries very hard to keep that from happening.
Daryl, as I said, occasionally a jewish name gets through and the LDS church is doing what it can to respect the Jewish religion. I doubt the 10 times, can't believe everything you read. Again, just pulling your name from the church records is not as difficult of a process as you think. Finally, regarding baptism. It is a ritual that cleanses someone, but it's only effective if you have faith and repent. I agree, not all really understand it, which is too bad. Missionaries everywhere should be vigilant about making sure everyone baptized understands what it means. Thanks for the open discussion. You seem like an intelligent person and I wish you all the very best.
daryl: I don't know (or care) of the degree to which you fully believe in your faith. However, I would suspect that the babtism rite in the LDS is meant to fulfill the requirement of many Christian faiths that people be babtised into the faith as a sign of the person being accepted by God, saved by Christ and sanctified by the holy spirit. I don't know about the LDS, but many faiths are of the opinion that a person can not be saved and go to heaven unless they are babtised.
Frankly, I don't have a problem with Marc Rubios' religion, whatever it may be. I don't care for how the GOP is ultra-hypocritical in claiming to be keepers of the christian faith while simultaneously deciding that it is perfectly acceptable to hurt the poor and disabled, to suppress women, to treat people with no dignity, to lie/cheat/steal in order to transfer more wealth to the already wealthy. The patent EVIL coming from the mouths of party leaders is where I have a problem.
Jan 2120:
Using your words "dirty muslim" the same term could be used for a lot of so called Christian's, you know the term "dirty Christian". How man of these so called Christians desecrated the cross by burning it in someones yard? Sit up in church on Sunday morning while owning a sheet with a hood to match in their closet and treating others as they are beneath them because the their skin is not the same color. And the list goes on and on.
Since you mention his father and the impression I got by the way you stated it wasn't nice in my opinion. Regarding Rubio's parents did they come here illegally? We have the right to know that and if they did how long were they here illegally?
JMO
None of this is supposed to matter, right? No one is supposed to legislate based on their religious beliefs, right? We are a secular nation that does not cater to one religion over another.
----Progreesive----
You are exaclty right, so why exactly is this even "News"? I will tell you why, because the only people who give a crap about this are the liberal hypocrites who want something to ridicule the man over....anything...even what "religion" he was subjected to at the age of 3. Really, truely, deeply, PATHETIC.
You are right, PN. Religious beliefs in private, you are right. BTW, would you vote for and trust a follower of Islam to lead our nation? Religion reflects on general character.
That is supposed to be true but republicans are determined to push their religious beliefs on us all in the name of freedom.
For as much as the republicans claim to believe in the constitution, they sure do disregard the part about the separation of church and state.
What does the 1st amendment say about our Freedoms? People that stand up for those freedoms are pushing them on you? Come on, get real... No one is pushing them on you, they are just standing up for them. You would be also if you weren't so party driven or your's were being assaulted by someone you oppose.
Which First amendment?This one!
http://www.freakingnews.com/Barack-Obama-s-New-Bill-of-Rights-Pictures-79516.asp
AK Sakin, oh my god, that is such a hypocritical lie. These republican candidates are out there questioning Obamas religion all the time. They have been since he started running.
Please this is a completely irrelevant piece of garbage story but if you think its liberals that do that, you are delusional.
"These republican candidates are out there questioning Obamas religion all the time."
Which ones? Or are you referring to when someone interviews one of the canidates and tries to get them with a "gotha ya" question like, "Do you believe Obama is a Christian?" My question to the interviewer would be, "why are you asking stupid questions?"
Well Paul..that "someone" had already talked up the "Christian values" of the candidates he liked...so the following question about Obama was right in context...that's when Graham (Jr.) balked and said he couldn't say....(which of course meant he did say). When you live by the sword (or in this case, wearing the sword of your religion on your sleeve...you can't really whine when you start getting a bit bloodied).
rick Rubio s dog was last seen high tailing it into the everglades!
Oh great! Another, "My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend" discussion. Religion arose from ignorance. Grow up people!
Speaking of Mormondom, I noticed that nobody ever called Romney on his implying his father was an immigrant. George wasn't an immigrant. Many Mormons moved to Mexico (three towns in particular: Colonia Diaz, Colonia Dublan, and Colonia Juarez (which is *not* the same as Cuidad Juarez)) so they could practice polygamy without being bothered by the government. The Romney family were all US citizens, so even though their son was born in Mexico, he was a citizen. It is misleading to characterize him as an immigrant.
FWIW, the Mormon presence in Chihuahua is still strong: there is a temple in Colonia Juarez.
Hey Tom you are another two faced bigot. Speaking of church and state why don't you and your moonbat friends sign a petition to go with your king oba's letter of apology to Afganistan for burning a bunch of korans.
Well thanks! You have just torpedo'd this poor guys career. It's bad enough to belong to a group that believes they will get their own planet and who believed blacks would not and who believe you can run around in funny underwear and baptize dead Jews and ... wait a minute. This guy is whack!
What the heck? A couple hours away and come home to find out that Marco Rubio is/was a Mormon. Why not ask Rev. Franklin Graham if thinks Rubio has the Mormon "seed" or if he thinks he's a "real Christian" now.
I really don't care what religion any of them are or aren't just as long as they don't preach their faith and their views and expect the rest of us who disagree to say amen.
How asinine, Jody. he was a kid who had no choice. he was later confirmed in the Catholic Church and has been a practicing Catholic since. If you want to play tit for tat, you say he's a mormon now because he was as a kid. Well, Obama's father was muslim as well as his step father. Does that make him a muslim? I've never thought so but it's no different than you all trying to crucify Rubio for what his parents had him do as a child.
It must be terrible to spend every day all day on here, Judy, spewing and soaking up the hate.
Jody--I wonder if the Mormons re-baptized Rubio or does that only happen after the person dies, like with Anne Frank?
....did you catch the item about Ellie Weisel being on the list to be baptized after death...as were his parents who died in teh concentration camps for the "crime" of being Jewish? he's called directly on Romney to denounce that practice. Silence, of course, from Romney.
AP---I was shocked to learn of this practice. They have also done it to the President Obama's mother. It is so troubling to me.
I keep saying it Marco Rubio is and always was a fraud. More and more not only anglos but Latinos as well are learning that he is.
How so Ray?
Who cares? As long as we get rid of the inept guy in the WH whose best attribute is excuse making.
daryl,
What track is that? $6 trillion unpatriotic debt in just four years? Closing Gitmo? Get rid of the Bush tax cuts for the rich? Get rid of the Patriot Act? End the war in Afghanistan? Stop taking super PAC money? End corporate bailouts? $4 gas? 13 million unemployed? If that is the track we are on, better hop on another train because this one is about to crash and burn.
Obama = Bush + a little socialist flavor
You mean the party of "Hell, no budget for 3 yrs?"
daryl,
Quoting Steve Jobs, The president is a very smart man, but I am tired of all the excuses on why he can't get things done. That says it all. If he can't get it done, maybe someone else can.
Get what done? Stop bothering Apple about promising to run a different kind of company and then using sweat shops like everyone else? Like slashing corporate tax rates even further without any idea how to pay for it (a la Romney?) No thanks. Been there, done that. ain't going back.
Road Warrior: come on. do a little homework. Congress passed a LAW prohibiting Obama from closing Guitmo, remember?You seriously are going to blame the President of the United States for the price of oil?? (in an administration with a record amount of drilling and pumping and refineries?) The recession? Over and recovering. Iraq war? Over and coming home. Afghanisan? A date for pullout. Come on guy. keep up.
How about you guys just concentrate on Obama , the guy who is ruining our country....God only knows what faith he is ....No one else does...
francis, nope, we do know what faith President Obama is--Christian. It's people like you who refuse to accept that fact and continue to spread the lies.
No we already got RID of the guy who was ruining the country, thankfully. We're now with the guy who is repairing that damage. Try and keep up..
Really, Jody. Up above you were condeming Rubio and saying he's Mormon now because his parents took him there as a child but he later was confirmed in Catholic church. So Rubio says he's Catholic now, why don't you believe him? i guess it's just more fun for you to be hateful and mean.
Hey Jodie actions speak louder than words. You don't hear king obey apologizing to mormons who are Christians about this uproar about Rubio being born to parents of mormon faith. But yet he is apologizing to Afganistan because some muslim bibles were accidently burned.
King who? See this is what happens when you go to Bob Jones...you can't be coherent.
big deal ---- most people change religions at least once during their lives. ------ i, myself, experimented with at least 6 of them before deciding i preferred non-denominational.
Do you have a source to back that up?
Are you speaking for the US or the world?
it's called communication ---- with real people ---- try it sometime, you might learn something. ----- are you trying to say you never experimented with other religions ??? ------ there are only two types of people who never experiment --- atheists, and those who have been brainwashed.
I was baptized a Catholic a couple weeks after birth and here I am almost 70 years later still a Catholic and have never changed but I have attended other church services but never considered a change.
But you still cannot prove what you said – you just think it to be so.
that is fine, and i am happy you have made peace with your decision. --- however, you are in a minority, believe it or not. ---- 50% of all people change religions at least once during their lives, and most people who do change do so by the age of 24.
Again, you have no proof !!!!!!!
yes, dennis, i do ---- google, number of people who change religions. ----- there have been plenty of studies on this issue. ----- and posting in caps does not impress me, or make you any more correct in your assumption. ---------- as for me, i was raised in two religions, because i spent considerable time with my grandparents.
Do you have a reading problem?
Where are the caps?
BTW I did look it up - so why don't you list your citation?
And if you look closely I never said you were wrong !!
Also you never said if that is for only the US or for the world - they are different.
Thats the best back peddle Dennis has ever done! And Im not sure it counts, I have attended 3 different churches and for a while in the Navy I roomed with a Mormon and considered the jump, Just could not bite the book of Mormon story. Id have to see the golden plates first. LOL!
Well not that I agree with RonPaul about anything but he's right on this one. According to a Pew Center Research Study earlier this year....Here's what American's themselves report:
"Americans change religious affiliation early and often. In total, about half of American adults have changed religious affiliation at least once during their lives. Most people who change their religion leave their childhood faith before age 24, and many of those who change religion do so more than once. Two-thirds of former Catholics who have become unaffiliated and half of former Protestants who have become unaffiliated say they left their childhood faith because they stopped believing in its teachings, and roughly four-in-ten say they became unaffiliated because they do not believe in God or the teachings of most religions."
By reading the story and responses, I can more clearly understand why the Constitutional authors saw it fit to eliminate the possibility of a religious test for public office. What we do to people over this issue is sickening, myself included.
We are the laughing stock of the rest of the western world. The founders of this country were right. Pretty soon, maybe even this year, no person will qualify because of his past or present religious affiliation. This emphasis on one particular christian belief will, for instance, make any Jewish person automatically ineligible for higher office. Is this type of country we really want?
Lar: it's the type of country we HAVE...we just don't usually talk about it. (exactly what do you think the chances are of someone who is not a mainline Christian being elected President? )
Here is another great example of liberal bias media portraying their own political interests within their sematics. Everyone should be reviewing all of these commentaries being presented and there bias nature. You should be alarmed how liberal interests are portrayed as being irreproachable with the conservative side being portrayed with an opposite slant. As a highly literate society you should be able to comprehend this and be repelled by this continued presentation regardless what you believe.
HeReigns...and if no one had reported that Rubio had been a Mormon as a child....there'd be legions of people swearing it was a vast conspiracy by ILLEGAL ALIENS to get the man in office. Grow up. The news media doesn't exist to protect you from information you are too delicate to handle. Do what you want with this. Denounce it as unimportant like so many others here have, because he was a child. Or understand the POLITICAL sensitivities it'll bring up in a portion of the electorate that OTHERWISE might have supported him. (Guess it's just easier to whine about how the media should protect us from information.)
This is some good reporting! Most Roman Catholics know that RC is not only a religion, but also like a nationality in some sense for those raised RC. Many RC's have also dabbled in non-denom churches, etc... but its very surprising to learn of Rubio's LDS experiences which is very uncommon for RC's. Especially given that he is currently the conservative golden boy!
Eric
I was taken to a RC full mass when I was 10. I was so frightened I hid under the pew when they called for communion. At that time I was attending a Methodist church and we had nothing like that.
Yes francis, God does know what faith he is and has welcomed Obama with His open arms...
From insanity to slightly more insane. Catholicism is a joke.
So now we care about childhood faiths???
Who TF cares?
When I was at Great Lakes going through Navy boot camp back in the '80s, Mormon services were offered every Sunday, along with services of many other denominations, such as Lutheran, which I am. Attending religious services, during the few hours during the training week when a recruit was allowed to sleep in, was s quasi-mandatory thing. Reason being was if the recruit company met a certain church attendance number, the company was awarded the "Golden Chalice" flag which they then carried - along with any number of achievement / award flags -as part of their company formation.
The Mormons always got a wildly disproportionate number of young recruits attending their weekly services for one simple reason: the services always had a bunch of very attractive young Mormon women volunteers assisting with the service functions. Being cooped up with the same 70+ guys day in and day out for weeks...that sure as heck was motivation for me to pass on much needed extra sleep, put the Lutheran Chaplain on hold for a while and head to Sunday's Mormon services.
Faith isn't about what building you periodically hang out in or what the letters or squiggles in a particular book say. It's about how one lives their life and the integrity, compassion, understanding, forgivness and respect a person maintains for themselves and the rest of humankind.
Amen
Conservative Roman Catholics don't attend Baptist churches. Sounds like this guy is a salesman and just does whatever everybody in his neighborhood is doing to fit in. I think he must be a closet liberal...
Oh, lee, like when the locals in Chicago told Obama he'd have to go to one of their churches if he was going to work in their neighborhood? So, he just went to church for job purposes, not because he wanted to go. And, then, he sat in that hate-filled place for 20 years. But, don't mention Black Liberation Theology and what it believes in and promotes; have to keep that quiet according to the libs.
I guess the church finally discovered the whole union scam thing. ;)
Dirt, When was that ever kept quiet???? We heard about it for months and months. That nitwit Hannity plays back the rev Wright stuff every week still. Who cares???? Rubio is a phony. It doesn't matter what religion he professes to follow. His whole narrative is phony. If the republicans have learned their lessons about the importance of vetting a VP (and you would think they have) he will not be any ones choice. Neither will Slim Christie because he has some skelatons rattling around in his closet as well. Otherwise he would be the top of the ticket candidate already. Something kept him out of the race that he doesn't want disclosed.
Itis not the Mormon background that troubles me...it's the Moron background...
yeah ---- i know what you mean ---- some of the morons in liberal media drive me bonkers.
You know what you mean, not what I mean....and what's with the ronpal stuff? are you a fan of ron paul or ron reagan and aren't they both still dead??
sadly, my name is ronpal. ---- i get that all the time. --- i am not a fan of ron paul. ----- i was just saying that the world is full of morons, it isn't like you have to search very far. --- they are everywhere, in both political parties, and all media, for sure.
Like the one's who dont like being confused with Ron Paul but arent smart enough to come up with another screen name?
He apparently doesn't mind giving his real name. I picked a username to keep my identity to myself, but one of the regular bloggers on here took the time to research my real name and plaster it on here several times along with my employer. OMG the therapy I'm going though!
gee ronpaul: given the current circumstances, I would adopt a new screen name. Better not to be thought a nut job don't ya think?
Ahh we went from islamophobia to mormonphobia... Very rich... Stop looking at religion and look what the president has done for the country vs what this senator has done and what he stands for. To be honest, rubio cannot fit the VP post. He is for big companies and not for the common American...
Sam: I suffer from stultophobia, fear of stupid people. Unfortunately, the GOP appears to be full of people who have anti-sultophobia, fear of not being around stupid people. The current crop of contenders for the GOP nomination to lose to President Obama indicates this.
Are the liberals getting a little worried about Rubio? Concerned the welfare checks may stop? A chance you may have to start working for a living? Oh, the unfairness!
Jack112: I'm not afraid at all I'll have to start working for a living. I'm afraid that the reinstatement of Republican economic policies will result in a decline in the number of jobs and consequent increase in the unlikelihood of having a job at which to work.