Tied up in Michigan: New NBC/Marist poll -- Romney 37%, Santorum 35%, Paul 13%, Gingrich 8%... But NBC/Marist also has Romney with a sizable lead in Arizona – Romney 43%, Santorum 27%, Gingrich 16%, Paul 11%... Organization is helping Romney in both states (see his early-voting/absentee advantage), but ideology is hurting him (Tea Party supporters and conservatives breaking toward Santorum)… General-election numbers: Obama leads in Michigan, but trails in Arizona… Three questions heading into tonight’s GOP debate in Arizona… It’s the 20th of the cycle, and it begins at 8:00 pm ET… And Obama’s corporate-tax plan.
*** Tied up in Michigan: Less than a week before Tuesday’s crucial GOP presidential primary in Michigan -- and before tonight’s debate in Arizona -- a new NBC/Marist poll finds Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum locked in a statistical tie in Michigan, while a separate NBC/Marist survey shows Romney comfortably leading in Arizona. The Michigan numbers among likely Republican primary voters: Romney 37%, Santorum 35%, Paul 13%, and Gingrich 8%. The Arizona figures: Romney 43%, Santorum 27%, Gingrich 16%, and Paul 11%. “Michigan is neck and neck,” says pollster Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, which conducted both surveys (Feb. 19-20).

Paul Sancya / AP, file
A new NBC/Marist poll finds Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum locked in a statistical tie in Michigan, while a separate NBC/Marist survey shows Romney comfortably leading in Arizona.
*** Organization vs. momentum: What’s helping Romney in both states is organization; what’s hurting him is a lack of support from conservatives. Among those who have ALREADY voted absentee in Michigan -- 16% of likely GOP voters, according to the poll -- Romney leads Santorum, 49%-26%.But among those who HAVEN’T voted in Michigan yet, Santorum is up by one point, 37%-36%. The same is true in Arizona: Among those who have voted early or absentee in Arizona -- more than half of all likely GOP voters in the poll -- Romney leads by 30 points, 52%-22%. But his lead is just one point among those who haven’t voted yet, 34%-33%. Call it organization vs. momentum. But while the Romney campaign’s early-voting organization is clearly helping him, a lack of support from conservatives is hurting him. In Michigan, Santorum leads Romney among self-identified Tea Party supporters, 48%-29%, and those who describe themselves as “very conservative,” 59%-20%. Yet among those who don’t support the Tea Party, Romney is ahead by more than 20 points, 45%-24%. The same ideological pattern is true in Arizona, although Romney performs much better with the most conservative voters there than in Michigan (thanks in part to the larger Mormon population in Arizona).
*** Obama leads in Michigan, trails in Arizona: Turning to the general-election race in November, Obama leads Romney in Michigan by nearly 20 points among registered voters, 51%-33%, with 15% undecided. Against Paul, the president’s lead is 22 points (53%-31%); against Santorum, it’s 26 points (55%-29%); and against Gingrich, it’s 28 points (56%-28%). What’s more, 51% of registered Michigan voters approve of Obama’s job; 63% of them believe the auto industry bailout was a good idea (including 61% of independents and 42% of likely GOP primary voters); and a majority think the president deserves credit for the auto industry’s recovery. But Arizona is tougher territory for the president, whose approval rating among registered voters in the state is just 38 percent. In hypothetical match-ups in the state, Obama trails Romney by five points (40%-45%); Santorum by three (42%-45%); Paul by two points (41%- 43%); yet he leads Gingrich by five (45%-40%). Bottom line: Michigan probably won’t be a battleground come November, and Arizona also appears to be a reach -- though the one number Team Obama might take heart in is the fact he ONLY leads Romney 50%-33% among Hispanics in the state… with 17% undecided. But it’s still hard to see how the president gets over 47%-48% in Arizona THIS November.
NBC News' Chuck Todd joins Morning Joe to discuss a new NBC News/Marist poll which has Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum in a statistical tie among potential Michigan GOP primary voters. Yet Romney leads with the state's early voters, and Obama leads Romney by nearly 20 points. Todd discusses what's behind the numbers.
*** Three questions heading into tonight’s debate: The four remaining Republican presidential candidates will gather tonight in Mesa, AZ beginning at 8:00 pm ET to participate in the 20th debate of the GOP race. Here are three questions we have going into the debate. One, will Santorum get sucked into the conversations on social issues? Over the past four or five days, the story surrounding Santorum has been defined by either religion or social issues. (The latest development here: The Drudge oppo-research hit on a 2008 Santorum speech in which Santorum said, “Satan is attacking the great institutions of America.”) Two, will the debate feature the emerging “bro-mance” between Romney and Paul? (The latest examples: Paul’s new TV ad hitting Santorum, as well as his campaign sending anti-Santorum oppo to reporters.) And three, after being largely silent over the last couple of weeks, will we see any life from Gingrich tonight?
*** On the trail, per NBC’s Adam Perez: Before tonight’s debate, Romney holds a rally in Chandler, AZ… And Santorum delivers a speech in Tucson.
*** Obama’s corporate-tax plan: “President Obama will ask Congress to scrub the corporate tax code of dozens of loopholes and subsidies to reduce the top rate to 28 percent, down from 35 percent, while giving preferences to manufacturers that would set their maximum effective rate at 25 percent,” the New York Times writes. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner will outline this corporate-tax plan today. A couple of points to make here: 1) The White House is refusing -- for now -- to get into individual income-tax reform, because that’s MUCH trickier (you have to eliminate popular deductions, etc.); and 2) The timing of this announcement comes before Romney’s own economic speech on Friday. As NBC’s Garrett Haake reported yesterday, Romney promised “to unveil a more specific economic plan later this week, one that that would integrate his views on tax policy, spending and entitlement reform into one complete package.” It is hard to do corporate tax reform separate from individual income tax reform which is why this White House policy release should be viewed through a much more political prism until and unless we see real details on individual income tax reform.
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Obama the oil giants are making your election like carter..Reaganomics
"It is hard to do corporate tax reform separate from individual income tax reform which is why this White House policy release should be viewed through a much more political prism until and unless we see real details on individual income tax reform."
Typical right wing mainstream media comment. The reality is that the 1%ers have gotten away with way to much. Their excuse that they want to do a balanced approach is a bunch of bull. They just want to continue to sock it to the 99ers while they keep making more and more. When they say that they want to reform Social Security and Medicare, that is code for elimination both of these benefits. Just look at what is going on in Indiana, where the legislatures want to give the power to Mitch Daniels so he can eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. Hopefully not too many people will be fooled by Mitt and the other GOP libertarian candidates who are a group of egotistical and self-interest millionaires.
that's the truth enough is enough they had there play in the market ..of destroying it and making money off of it
djj, Do you realize that if you make about 50,000$ a year, you're in the top 1%?
no remember..we want handouts remember..red
Oh don't worry, I remember. I know you're entitled to everything you don't have that the rich guys (>50,000$) do. That government titty must be yummy.
oh red i do make over that..and guess what yall have told me for over three years ..I love handouts like SS medicaid ..so on you know socialism.money..the money i have saved in a Government bank account..for me not yours or your Paul Ryan plan..you know a 401 plan a Private company.that i will never see.
Do you have the info on Indiana. I don't think it is possible for Indiana to get rid of medicare.
Awesome, so you're in the 1% you're fighting against ... ironic.
I do want an end to Medicare and Medicaid or at the very least give me options as to weather or not I care to participate. But then where would that leave people such as yourself who are more than happy for the government to provide for them. I was born in 1959, I've been working and paying taxes since I was 14 years old. My husband and I have raised 2 girls and they have been told from the beginning DO NOT DEPEND on the government. As a result they have learned how to save for their futures and have a much better return too I might add than any government program they have been FORCED to participate in.
I would gladly give up everything we have paid into government forced progrqams if they would allow me to invest my own dollar.
Oh and i knew i could get the truth out of you.yes yummy..you little devil you
How is SS a handout when the government forces you to pay in?
it was set up by both party's thank God ..but the republicans today have turn to fruit cakes
oh red those handouts i bet your getting them as we speak hahaha retard..you were born in 1959 yes you are getting those handouts yes yes yes
Are you making that into a song? lol I WORK for those "handouts". I do not work for the government to give handousts to those who do not work.
tuort....
Lets say I bought a dinner and it cost $20 bucks, but I only paid $15 and the owner gave me a break. Is that a hand out? The fact is that we are paying for SS and medicare, but what we pay is not going to cover what we are promised to get back even after adjusting for inflation.
like i said i always get the truth when someone is angry you little devil you
so is Paul Ryanplan going to help any ..no.its set up just like the 401 plan..promises by mouth only of a high interest ..but no its created to only help the ones who created the system..that's it
Notice handouts was in quotations ... they are called benefits when you work ... when you do not work and expect to be taken care of by the government they are called handouts. I'm against handouts, not benefits.
@redshad,
why do you keep insisting
That is a lie, you need to make OVER $343,927.00 per year....
according to CNN Money
http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/20/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_income/index.htm
we have seen what privatizing does .they are out of the Constitution of laws..we only get hosed at the end
oh and why would a good businessman go after something that is broke..oh because they know its not..they just got a raised in SS ..that would be like Donald trump investing in a casino at the bottom of the ocean now would it
@ jo-an. Did that source account for everone who is unemployed at the moment?
Oh, and that is also the top 1% of tax payers, not income.
red you can stop the dumb down theory
What am I dumbing down elvis? you tell me.
don't you people see why the government is broke..corporations spend millions of money on one man..to get them elected..and then say the government is taking to much money from them
lol wouldn't it be hilarious, if ALL the money, from ALL the donations, from ALL races for BOTH parties....actually went toward reducing the debt? All of it, including private super-PAC money.
lol now THAT would be corporations and millionaires trying to solve something. As it is now...they're just trying to buy something, for themselves.
yes but out of the two who is for the poor and working class
I would say the democrats are for the poor and the republicans are for the working class.
at one time but today no
Thank god these moral majority candidates want smaller government. That Virginia anti abortion probe should be as small as possible, and seeing how it has NO medical reason, Nitt and Ricky should Ben Dover and take one up the Jackson to show how non invassive it is.
Glenn Beck is trying to bring the tea party back..i hope so i would love to see how many show up at his clown show again
Hmm.... Do i want the mormon who says he is a progressive and then says he is a severe conservative? Who wanted to let Detroit die and then vulture the remains.
Do i want the one who wants to make contraceptives illegal? Openly says that women should not make the same pay as men for doing the same job.
Or do I want the one who Killed Bin Laden, saved GM, and is FORCING the insurance companies to insure.
I'll too go with the non-US citizen, Kenyan, community organizing, socialist, communistic America-Hater who killed Bin Laden, saved my state from 30% unemployment and saved approx 2 million more jobs by loaning the Big 2 money that has made over 15 Billion dollars in interest any day of the week!
What! You are not supporting the 1% ers who sent jobs by the thousands overseas, keep their checking accounts in Cayman Island Banks and their savings in secret Swiss Bank Accounts to avoid what little taxes they are supposed to pay? You are not going to vote for the guys that said, "Let Detroit Die" and "I am not worried about poor people." You are backing away from the party that is encouraging big oil and big pharmaceuticals to put the squeeze on the middle-class to give them "talking points" in an election year while people die for lack of needed medicines and transportation is reduced to a necessary dwindle of work commuters? You are not going to support the Party that wants to take women's rights back to the 50's and who sees Capitalism, not as a monetary system but as God Almighty and who want to root out "socialism" like McCarthy attacked Communism. What the hell is wrong with you? You must not be a true, patriotic, red-blooded, wide stance, tea bagging Native Born 'Merican with a picture of John Wayne in your den, who sings the Star Spangled Banner before your Pledge of Allegiance and rendition of God Bless America accompanied by loud Bible Thumping before your dinner prayer evoking God to smite anyone with a different view of the world than yourself. Why don't you just go live in some Worker's Paradise if it is so great there! And they wonder why intelligent people laugh at them as they line up to be sheared.
It is a clash of the gods, The Prophet versus The Pope. Protestants, women, agnostics, atheists, Hindus, Muslims, and Scientologists are sidelined for the rest of the Republican primaries. Democracy no longer applies.
OIL Pricing 101:
There is a finite supply of Oil. This has been proven even though the Flat-Earther's will dispute it.
China and India are now huge oil-consuming newcomers (relative) that have INCREASED the DEMAND for the SUPPLY of OIL.
There is a finite supply of Oil so speculators find this an intriguing way to make a profit and drive the price upwards.
Every time that our economy starts to rebound, we'll drive more to our jobs / we spend a little more at the stores but we still drove there with our cars therefore consuming more of a FINITE SOURCE.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE until we ween ourselves off of Oil and let the rest of the backwards world stay in the swirling toilet bowl of paying thru the nose for a FINITE RESOURCE.
Any questions?
Glad to see you are a believe in the free market, just like the republicans. To carry you thought further. Once oil gets too expensive and alterantive forms of energy become more cost effect, we will ween ourselves off of oil.
The true title should be Santorum's momentum runs head first into Romney's huge pile of cash, like running into a brick wall.
Money talks in politics and Romney is leading the rest financially to the point that he has pretty much bought the nomination. The only question becomes whether a protracted Republican primary will drain him of to much cash to face off against Obama.
Still do not understand the Santorum draw. Here is a guy that is a washington insider. He has never ran a business and has used his past house position to profit as a peddler of influence. Vote Romney and we actually get a business leader and not a legislator. Some one who has a strong business background and experience. We already have a legislator in office in Obama. A vote for Santorum is just a vote for Obama.
The Republican party is in real trouble....and I'm not just saying this because I happen to be more liberal. When you look at this without bias you come to realize that the Republican party and the candidates running for the nomination have completely boxed themselves in.
The way I see it...the Republican party is now divided in three ways. 1) You have a group (Tea Party) that strictly stands by the constitution and their interpretation of it....2) A section of social conservatives (the Religious right)...and 3) the establishment Republicans who are a bit more moderate.
The problem is is that none of these candidates and I would argue nobody in general could possibly satisfy all three groups of the Republican party today. This is why, in my opinion, I think that Republicans aren't happy with their current crop of candidates.
For example, Santorum satisfies the number 2 group I mentioned above and could sway some voters in the first group of conservatives. However, the establishment Republicans see him as way too open when it comes to his religious beliefs and see it as a deterrent to independent voters who are crucial in the general.
Romney satisfies the establishment Republicans but as we have seen can't convince the first and second groups of tea party members and social conservatives.
No need to mention Newt....he has a hard time with all groups mentioned.
This is my honest take on the current state of affairs....thanks for reading. This is a repost....sorry.
I think that you are pretty accurate here. There is a divide in the republican party. One group wants to continue with the Bush and Obama policies of using the government to manipulate the private to "fix" things. (All they do is fix things for their donors). The other group wants republicans to be fiscal conservatives and get the government on a solid fiscal foundation and think that government isn't the answer, but the problem.
In actuality the market determines the price of gasoline and even though the president can influence these prices as well as the economy, he still has relatively little control over it as a whole. Obama's efforts do sort of reminds me of Hoover's attempts to combat the downturn (especially earlier in the presidency) with various projects and change in order to encourage recovery. We look upon our presidents as leaders and scapegoats (this, to a much smaller degree, was done to Bush) but in reality, they cannot control everything.
it is so funny to hear the republicans talk about people getting free handouts ..Romney sanatorium .newt ..Paul..and all of them are getting those so called free handouts because they all work for the government..you republican voters are retards
I wonder what they consider huge tax breaks if not "free hand outs?"
The rapture cannot come soon enough It will rid us the religious nuts infesting the world, all that will be left behind will be rotting tea bags,tinhats and magic underware good for worm farms
The Energy policy set in motion by Dick Cheney's secret White House meeting with big oil and Wall Street speculators is still in effect today simply because it was an agreement to cooperate among one another to fix and set oil prices and the formula for setting futures prices. Legal, No! Almost impossible to investigate without a mole? Yes! Do you really think Dick kept minutes of those meetings and is willing to voluntarily testify that he and W along with the principal Oil Barons and Wall Street Moguls hatched criminal enterprises in the White House? The answer is to Nationalize both the Oil and Pharmaceutical industries and while the government might not run them efficiently at least we get the money for the natioanl debt flowing into the treasury instead of Cayman Island and Swiss banks.
Cain was a victim.
I have yet to see Cain sue those women for slander?
sandy-1851937: It is hard to sue someone for slander which you get totally busted like Herman Cain did and he could not talk his way out of it. Maybe a couple of those women did lie to get some money or attention but the last one you could see was hurt and knew he turned on her and lied.
That was my point. He said he was a victim, so do others.
I say why did he not try to clear himself?
sandy-1851937: I wish that i could tell you that because i sure would have if someone lied on me, politic's are a very nasty game and is the only place where most of the real snakes get together to see who they can bite. To me there are a few situations that would give reason for him not to press it (1) he does have a family so why keep them in the eye's of a media who seems to enjoy hurting people just to have a story to talk about.(2)When you look at the history of politic's every man that has had problem's a woman has always been involved, and don't think for a second that politicans would not use a female to cut the throats of their opposition, and Herman Cain being black and thinking that certain people would give him a pass because he knew the Koch Brothers and was in the gop made him an easy target. It is no mistake that when he started to surge up in the polls most of these females came out of the wood works. This is only my opinion but to me Herman Cain was not only setup but set up to fail because can you see it coming down to two black guys for the white house? Remember that John Mcconnell,Newt Gingrich, Rick Satorum, Ron Paul, Rick Perry and a lot of republicans govenors strenght is not race relations and have voiced it over the media, now we have Billy Grahams son doing the exact opposite of what his father stands for. Michael Steel who is black and was in the gop was let go when he republicans took over in 2010. So it is safe to say that Herman Cain was a victim of the system he was in and the sex scandals the the republican party is famous for.
Dear Voting America,
I urge you to vote. I urge you to vote your conscience. It is so very important. I also urge you to lie to poll takers. It is none of their business who you voted for. If enough of us do that we could get some real enjoyment out of these elections for a change as political talking heads try to explain why their predictions were so wrong. Join this growing movement.
The economic Policies of Barack Obama and how he saved gm
by Neil Murphy
When Barack Obama took office in 2009, one of the first thing he had to deal with was the imminent bankruptcy of the big 3 automakers.The economy was dragging and unemployment was rising and President Obama acted to save auto industry in Detroit. All three companies are alive and well today. All three companies are alive and well today, particularly GM who posted record profits in 2011. The auto bailout is touted to this day as a success with all credit generally given to Barack Obama, but underneath the surface this deal doesn't look very good at all.
Barack Obama campaigned in 2008 and spent the better part of 2009 passing the Affordable Health Care Act. Known by its oppenents as Obamacare its purpose was to provide affordable health care for all Americans includint the uninsured and the uninsurable. The Economic Recovery act was also passed in 2009, a plan designed to spur job growth stimulate the economy. All three bills are frequently lauded as a success by President Obama and his supporters, but upon close inspection all is not as it appears to be.
Cut to 2012, unemployment is still high, the economy is still sluggish at best, and no one has actually received and affordable health care. Each of these bills can be argued on a point by point basis as anything from resounding successes to abject failures. My view is that these bills are 3 of the worst laws in the history of the United States and heres why. Beginning with the auto bailout.
Without getting into too much detail, a large amount of caash was infused into these companies in order to keep them operating. GM received 51 billion in federal money in exchange for partial ownership of GM. Subsidies were passed for the now famous chevy Volt a next generation green car. Tax credits were handed out some as part of the economic recovery act(stimulus). As a result of this GM paid no income taxes in 2011 on their way to posting the record profits mentioned.
As part of the stimulus bill money was spent on grants, loan guarantees and tax credits for green energy programs including solar, wind, and electric cars. General Electric was a main beneficiary of this money recieving billions of dollars for many projects, depending on your source the total amount approaches 100 billion dollars. Because of the green energy tax credits and subsidies for large wind and solar projects, GE posted an 18billion dollar profit. More subsidies were passed in 2012 including a 10,000 dollar tax credit on each Volt sold. What does that have to do with GE, I will show you, but first.
Cut to the Soviet Union, the largest communist empire the world has ever seen with millions of workers constructing widgets full time. What is a widget you ask? Its nothing, a product no one wants or need but is produced to keep the people working, back to 2012 and the widget of the 21st century. The Chevy Volt.
An insidious situation has been set up under the guise of economic recovery and creating jobs. Between GM and GE a profit of over 25 billion dollars was posted in 2012 and no income tax was paid by either company. Recently a new deal was announced, wherby GE agreed to buy a fleet of Volts from GM thus completing the trinity.
Under these rules GM is being paid in tax dollars to produce Volts that GE, also using tax dollars buys. With the newest subsidy in place both of these companies, 2 of the largest corporations in the world make a profit on every single one. How can you make a profit buying a car you ask? Well you use other peoples money, and thus our widget. How can this be considered good economic policy? Well its not its very bad economic policy, under these rules GE can buy as many widgets as they possibly can as fast as GM can make them and recieve an unlimited amount of tax dollars without ever giving anything back. Just buy them and park them on a lot somewhere. Is this deliberate or is President Obama incompetant? My opinion is deliberate.
On to Obamacare a hugely expensive entitlement program reviled by some, loved by others. The bill is reviled on the right as everything from unconstitutional, to wasteful beauracracy, to free handouts. It is all of these things. Obama is not incompetant he knows exactly what hes doing. These policies are designed to suck the life from our economy and they are doing there job well. If you can accept the terrifying premise that Obama wants the economy to crash everything makes peerfect sense. Both green energy and obamacare are designed as a way to destroy money. An infinite amount of tax dollars will be poured into all 3 programs.
America needs to wake up and see. An infinite cycle of taxpayer dollars is now setup between GM and GE, with nothing of value being created. Obamacare is going to suck money from every american most if not all will go to beauracracies and give aways, its is a bottomless hole where money goes to die whit nothing of value ever created, unless you count federal employees as a product.
The Stimulus bill was over 700 billion dollars and was also designed to destroy money. We have all heard of Solyndra and the bad loan, what not everyone realizes is that Solyndra knew it was going bankrupt at the time of the loan and so did the department of energy. Another thing not everyone realizes is that grants were given out to other, healthy, companies to buy Solar Panels from Solyndra who took a loss on every one sold until the money ran out and they went bankrupt. Leaving the taxpayer at the end of a long list of creditors and likely to recover nothing. By my estimate we have now spentwell over a trillion dollars on suicidal programs designed to harm our financial well being.
It is impossible for me to believe that POTUS, with all the infromation available to him could possibly imagine that any of this would work. My opinion is that his green energy programs and healthcare packages are a front for a communist/socialist agenda and its terrifying. Wake up Comrades. The widget factories are in full production and we need to act now or face a crash like none we have ever seen before.
CORRECTION: FORD DID NOT TAKE ANY MONEY MY MISTAKE
Romney still has not mastered the art of keeping his own feet out of his mouth and has shown to be as clueless as they come when it comes to relating to normal people. Rick Santorum is just ate up with that home school intellect and the agenda of using religion to hide behind so he can force his ideas down the throats of other people. And women are just sex tools when you really listen to santorum and are only equal when he and the rest of the people who thinks like him wants to get some for five minute's or less.
Man of constant sorrow, You are dead on !
Oh, wow, a close race!
Shall I choose Little Lord Romney or Rick "the Lord" Santorum or maybe Lord Newt?
Keep opening your mouth, guys, talk, talk talk. Let's really get to what you believe in. We little women especially would like to hear your personal views about how we should behave and what kind of birth control we should use. Maybe we could just give up our right to vote and stay home and make babies- LOTS OF THEM!
Shall I vote to send Newt to the moon or return us to Santorum's year of 1912? Or how about billionaire "say anything" Mitt.
I am starting to understand why the Ron Paul fans are so frustrated!
I will not vote for either side. I will be out front of my voting place protesting against both sides. I will be watching who votes in my distinct and know to stay away from them.
so you will be the dumb down kind of man
I will be looking for bla ck people with clubs outside my polling place, is that what you meant?
Elvis. I think you have that backwards.
Neil It sound like you have a problem at your polling place.
Romney is a cult and s/b put in his place. We can't have a non christian cult telling us what to do. down with the mormons.
sandy-1851937
Cain was a victim.
I have yet to see Cain sue those women for slander
Maybe there is nothing slanderous to sue about.
That was my point. He blamed everyone but himself.
Mormonism is not really a cult. Certainly not like the Branch Dividians or Jim Jones. It is a religion based on the the writings of Joseph Smith. To call it a cult is like calling PRESIDENT Obama a Muslim (and please don't post that you believe that either).
Obama is a muslim, just ask him.
Dork!
refering to yourself?
Pat have you ever read barack's book?? Answer carefully.
Let's see...Santantorum vs. Romney?? I think we'll vote to keep religion out of Governemnt..ROMNEY!